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| * johnthetubaguy is flexing fingers for the nova meeting | 14:00 | |
| dims | johnthetubaguy: i never learned touch typing :( | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | hehe | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting nova | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 13 14:01:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | hello all | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure how many of us there will be today | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | wasn't clear if the meeting was on | 14:02 |
| n0ano | at least 3 | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | so lets try keep it quick | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Kilo Specs | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo Specs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:02 | |
| dims | before others join? :) | 14:02 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info if your code reviews are being blocked on a "procedural -2", please ping the reviewer (in email) and remind them to reconsider | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | dims: right | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, any immediate spec issues | 14:03 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: well, I guess that specs have to be reviewed | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info spec freeze likely after juno-1 date | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: you hit the nail on the head there | 14:03 |
| Mike_D_wk | \o | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have done a few template updates | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info currently adding the concept of backlog specs into the nova-specs repo | 14:03 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, did your into mean `kilo-1 date' | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am reviewing the process docs and things | 14:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: oops | 14:04 |
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| alex_xu | propose freeze or approve freeze? | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info spec freeze likely after kilo-1 | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info spec approve freeze likely after kilo-1 | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: I think we said approval | 14:04 |
| bauzas | agreed | 14:04 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy, thanks | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | but good to claify! | 14:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lets move on... | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Kilo Priorities | 14:05 |
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| bauzas | the question has been raised and the answer was "spec merged" | 14:05 |
| edleafe | o/ | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | at the summit we came up with the proposed priority list | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am working with jogo to get that formalized | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | next week we hope to have etherpads to report progress in place, etc | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have an upgrade plan up for review here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133691/ | 14:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any other updates? | 14:07 |
| n0ano | personally, I dislike etherpads for tracking things, you might consider something like the wiki page we setup for the scheduler work: | 14:07 |
| n0ano | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gantt/kilo#Tasks | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: you can link to a wiki, thats fine, but I am happy to try whatever works | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | wiki certainly has more control, but also more overhead | 14:08 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: is there a patch to approve for updating priorities to devdoc ? | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | the agenda will link to *something* is the real plan | 14:08 |
| n0ano | I'm willing to try and maintain a wiki, I already signed up for the scheduler one, what's one more | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: not yet, that was the bit above where I said I would work with jogo on that | 14:08 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: ack | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: but I wasn't very clear | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action johnthetubaguy to work with jogo on getting priorities into git | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, seems like we are done | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | for this topic | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Gate status | 14:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | not sure people are around for that today | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 14:09 |
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| danpb | johnthetubaguy: when you said spec approval freeze after kilo-1, you mean /at/ kilo-1 right | 14:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #info etherpads from the summit can be found here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Kilo/Etherpads | 14:10 |
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| alex_xu | can I ask how to get priority for my spec? put the spec in the etherpad? | 14:10 |
| danpb | johnthetubaguy: from the meetings I recall that any spec will need exception process once kilo-1 is past | 14:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | danpb: good point, I think its defined to be the thursday, let me find the date | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | danpb: as with all of the these freezes, there will be exceptions, agreed | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | the idea is to increase velocity, not decrease velocity | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: not sure what you mean | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: I guess your spec is in review right now? | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 14:12 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy, yes, it in review, but how to know the spec's priority? just waiting for review, after review core dev will assign a priority? | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info kilo-1 is 18th December | 14:13 |
| bauzas | tbp, milestone is branched 2 days before | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: basically, when its approved, the blueprint in lp gets approved, and gets given a priority, once its in the correct milestone | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: once we have that processes flowing, we will review the priority in this meeting I think | 14:14 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy, ok, I see now, thanks! | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: well, its tagged ASAP during that week, so it can be released on the thursday, but yes | 14:14 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: having a review dashboard would be awesome like we did for NFV stuff | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: no worries, happy to help | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: we might do that, I hope to go through and work out the high priority specs very soon, I guess that could be a dashboard | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: certainly need some level of priority in the spec backlog | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, I think we must be done now | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more? | 14:16 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: if you're putting it into a wiki, it can go this way : http://nfv.russellbryant.net/ | 14:16 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I can volunteer for helping you on that one | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: cool, let me know how that works | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, all done here | 14:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 14:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:17 | |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: sure, let's disuss offline | 14:17 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 13 14:17:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:17 |
| bauzas | bye | 14:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-11-13-14.01.html | 14:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-11-13-14.01.txt | 14:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-11-13-14.01.log.html | 14:17 |
| alex_xu | bye, thanks all | 14:17 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 13 15:00:47 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:01 |
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| jasonsb | hi | 15:01 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
| csaba | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
| echoingu_ | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | looks like a small group today | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | maybe people in the US forgot about the time change? ;-) | 15:02 |
| jasonsb | yup | 15:02 |
| xyang1 | ya, I forgot about it yesterday | 15:02 |
| jasonsb | alot were canceled this week too | 15:02 |
| bswartz | anyways, the agenda is pretty small today | 15:02 |
| bswartz | well we could cancel, but I'd rather have a small meeting in case anyone wants to raise an issue or has questions about last week | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | I know some people weren't able to attend paris in person | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #topic paris review | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "paris review (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
| bswartz | so anyone who missed the design summit sessions, there should be notes added to the etherpads | 15:04 |
| bswartz | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Kilo/Etherpads#Manila | 15:04 |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-manila-meetup | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | Personally, I was very happy with how the design summit went | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | thanks to those who came to the sessions/meetup and contributed | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | We're already starting to work on the network changes that we talked about | 15:05 |
| bswartz | if there are no questions about that | 15:06 |
| jasonsb | i have a small question about netowrking | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | go ahead | 15:06 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov doesn't seem to be here for the next topic | 15:07 |
| jasonsb | question is about present and new networking | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | yes? | 15:08 |
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| jasonsb | i am trying to understand which network configs don't put pressure on east-west routing | 15:08 |
| jasonsb | or, if there is pressure, you would use DVR to fix | 15:08 |
| bswartz | maybe I'm not enough of a network buff to know what those terms mean | 15:09 |
| jasonsb | in my case i think i a single share network might be easisest | 15:09 |
| bswartz | east-west routing? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | DVR? | 15:09 |
| jasonsb | layer 3 between tenant networks | 15:09 |
| jasonsb | where the traffic goes through a single neutron l3 agent | 15:09 |
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| jasonsb | DVR is the new distributed virtual router stuff in juno | 15:10 |
| bswartz | so the new networking options that we're creating both rely on the ability of the tenants to route to the share server through their "public" network | 15:10 |
| bswartz | in both the single_svm driver mode and the flat_multi_svm driver mode, Manila doesn't manipulate routing tables at all | 15:10 |
| jasonsb | nod | 15:11 |
| bswartz | so we rely on routing being setup in advance (usually statically) | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | basically it's a way for us to punt on hard problems, so the administrator can do what he wants | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | OR so the administrator can adapt to existing configurations that he can't change | 15:12 |
| csaba | bswartz: cold | 15:13 |
| jasonsb | how about segmented multi SVM | 15:13 |
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| csaba | sorry, typo | 15:13 |
| bswartz | the managed_multi_svm (previously segmented) does what we do today, where we create interfaces on private networks and sometimes create whole new networks and routers | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | it includes the possbility to put share servers in the same L2 subnet as the tenants that use the shares | 15:14 |
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| jasonsb | do any drivers use that besides netapp? | 15:14 |
| bswartz | jasonb: the generic driver can do that | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | however I've come to feel over the last several months that ^ is a bad idea | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | because rarely do you have the case where the share server is *phsyically* close to the VMs that are using it | 15:15 |
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| jasonsb | in my case my share server is physically close to VM's, but i agree it seems a little bit not good idea | 15:16 |
| bswartz | and if they're physically far apart, then extending the L2 broadcast domain across the network creates a lot of unneccesary traffic on top of rack switches | 15:16 |
| bswartz | but my hope is that we can preserve both modes of operation and let the admin choose | 15:17 |
| bswartz | for a sensible default I think I would choose separate networks with routers in between the client and server | 15:17 |
| bswartz | that answer your qusetion? | 15:18 |
| jasonsb | yes indeed thank you | 15:18 |
| bswartz | cool | 15:18 |
| bswartz | I think we'll skip the next topic | 15:18 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | anyone have anything else for this week? | 15:18 |
| jasonsb | i have 2 topics | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | ok | 15:19 |
| jasonsb | go? | 15:19 |
| bswartz | sure | 15:19 |
| bswartz | it's a slow day | 15:19 |
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| jasonsb | topic 1: quick comment | 15:19 |
| jasonsb | :) | 15:19 |
| jasonsb | it occurred to me that the share image use case you described kind of matches google use case | 15:20 |
| bswartz | you mean manila-image? | 15:20 |
| bswartz | what's share image? | 15:20 |
| jasonsb | i'll reach out and see if maybe we can borrow some stuff they use for their little debian root | 15:20 |
| jasonsb | the devstack gate image | 15:20 |
| bswartz | ok | 15:20 |
| jasonsb | maybe it has the size you are looking for | 15:20 |
| bswartz | do you have a link? | 15:21 |
| jasonsb | no | 15:21 |
| jasonsb | but marc merlin does it and he has talked about it at conferences before | 15:21 |
| jasonsb | i was just going to ask him | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | okay I'd like to hear more | 15:21 |
| bswartz | I'm googling now and not finding anything | 15:21 |
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| jasonsb | i'm not sure what they call it | 15:21 |
| jasonsb | its just enough to bootstrap into omega | 15:22 |
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| jasonsb | topic 2: interested to hear your thoughts on heat integration sometime | 15:22 |
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| jasonsb | if you have any strong opinions etc | 15:23 |
| bswartz | re: heat, I don't have much details, other than that integration would enable a lot of interesting stuff, and it probably won't happen without one of us driving it | 15:23 |
| jasonsb | i know somebody who might be interested | 15:24 |
| jasonsb | but i wasn't able to describe it very well | 15:24 |
| bswartz | someone at HDS? | 15:24 |
| jasonsb | yes | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | from what little I know, it's just a matter of writing a new plugin to heat that provides a mapping from the manila API to whatever heat understands | 15:25 |
| bswartz | there's someone at netapp who will probably get around to doing that work sooner or later | 15:26 |
| bswartz | I don't control other people's priorities though :-/ | 15:26 |
| jasonsb | is it actively being worked on? | 15:26 |
| bswartz | not yet and not soon | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | if you decide to start something please let us know so we can avoid duplicating work | 15:26 |
| jasonsb | oh ok | 15:27 |
| bswartz | probably send a note to the ML | 15:27 |
| jasonsb | will do | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | ML is about as public as we can get | 15:27 |
| bswartz | thanks | 15:27 |
| jasonsb | any contacts in heat who might assist? | 15:27 |
| bswartz | okay it sounds like nobody has anything else so we'll end this meeting | 15:27 |
| jasonsb | or just reach out to them? | 15:27 |
| bswartz | jasonsb: grab me in the manila channel | 15:28 |
| xyang1 | emails to ML can get missed too. probably good to mention it at IRC meeting too | 15:28 |
| bswartz | xyang1: I'll see a ML message and make sure others know about it | 15:28 |
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| xyang1 | ok | 15:28 |
| bswartz | ML is archived unlike IRC | 15:28 |
| xyang1 | the volume is too high. with [manila] in the subject will help | 15:29 |
| bswartz | see you all next week, when you're all no jetlagged anymore | 15:29 |
| xyang1 | bye | 15:29 |
| jasonsb | sounds good | 15:29 |
| bswartz | oh yea, you MUST out [manila] in your ML posts | 15:29 |
| jasonsb | bye | 15:29 |
| rushil | bye | 15:29 |
| bswartz | otherwise I don't read it ;-) | 15:29 |
| bswartz | must *put [manila] | 15:29 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 13 15:29:41 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-11-13-15.00.html | 15:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-11-13-15.00.txt | 15:29 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-11-13-15.00.log.html | 15:29 |
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| rcallawa | bswartz: you rang? | 15:30 |
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| vponomaryov | sorry, I am late | 15:31 |
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| mihgen | hi guys | 16:01 |
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| rvyalov | hi | 16:01 |
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| kozhukalov | hey guys | 16:01 |
| ikalnitsky | o/ | 16:01 |
| vkramskikh | hello | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 13 16:01:55 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:02 |
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| agordeev | o/ | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov | #chair kozhukalov | 16:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: kozhukalov | 16:02 |
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| alex_didenko | hi | 16:02 |
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| kozhukalov | agenda as usual | 16:02 |
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| kozhukalov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:02 |
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| mihgen | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/6.0_Release_Schedule | 16:02 |
| mihgen | here is the schedule | 16:03 |
| mihgen | for 6.0 | 16:03 |
| kozhukalov | #topic Announcements (mihgen) | 16:03 |
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| mihgen | folks we are doing dev in both 5.1.1 (stable/5.1) & 6.0 (master) | 16:03 |
| mihgen | priorities and focus should be 5.1.1 first, and then 6.0 | 16:03 |
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| mihgen | we wanted to get code freeze for 5.1.1 today, though it seems to be we still have a bunch of bugs there | 16:04 |
| mihgen | also, today is the plan to call for SCF for 6.0 | 16:04 |
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| mihgen | I don't see angdraug here to talk more about 5.1.1 status | 16:04 |
| mihgen | for 6.0, in my opinion we are good to go with SCF | 16:05 |
| mihgen | unless there are any objections | 16:05 |
| mihgen | objections? | 16:05 |
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| kozhukalov | he was complaining that it is too early for US people | 16:05 |
| msemenov | 3.13 kernel can be merged after SCF? | 16:05 |
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| kozhukalov | i mean angdraug ^^^ | 16:05 |
| mihgen | msemenov: for 6.0, we can consider it as exception.. | 16:06 |
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| mihgen | when can you be ready with it? | 16:06 |
| mihgen | if you need day or two, then it's fine. But no more I would say | 16:06 |
| msemenov | we are ready, but have problems with this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133925 | 16:06 |
| mihgen | as we will need to test a lot of things, and see stable bahavior for weeks | 16:06 |
| msemenov | I think, day or two is ok for us | 16:06 |
| akasatkin | SCF or HCF for 5.1.1? | 16:07 |
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| mihgen | akasatkin: there is no SCF/HCF for 5.1.1, just code freeze | 16:07 |
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| mihgen | though it's like HCF | 16:07 |
| kozhukalov | msemenov: this patch needs to be a bit improved, i'am sure it works, but... | 16:07 |
| mihgen | because we basically stop accepting anything to stable/5.1 | 16:07 |
| msemenov | ok, I hope we will come to some conclusion on it | 16:08 |
| vkramskikh | do we have plans to make code freeze separate for repos? soft or hard | 16:08 |
| kozhukalov | msemenov: I'm sure we will | 16:08 |
| mihgen | vkramskikh: good question, it's in agenda | 16:08 |
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| akasatkin | https://launchpad.net/bugs/1387345 - for 5.1.1. How much is it important? | 16:08 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: I'm done with general announcement | 16:08 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1387345 in mos/5.1.x "Heat deployment in HA mode: different value for auth_encryption_key parameter on each controller node" [High,In progress] | 16:08 |
| kozhukalov | ok, guys, let's use this topic for announcements only | 16:09 |
| mihgen | akasatkin: hard to say quickly | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | not for discussions | 16:09 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: you have announcement regarding changing the time of the meeting? | 16:09 |
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| kozhukalov | yes, for US people it seems to be to early | 16:10 |
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| kozhukalov | my suggestion is to move our meeting to 1700 utc | 16:10 |
| mihgen | 8pm msk? | 16:10 |
| mihgen | same day? | 16:10 |
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| barthalion | o/ | 16:11 |
| kozhukalov | there is a free time slot on Thursdays 17-18 utc but it is in #openstack-meeting | 16:11 |
| barthalion | won't it be a bit late? | 16:11 |
| kozhukalov | yes, 20 msk, Thursdays | 16:11 |
| kozhukalov | guys, is it ok? | 16:11 |
| mihgen | what time is it in CA? | 16:11 |
| mihgen | 9am? | 16:11 |
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| kozhukalov | no idea | 16:12 |
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| mihgen | yes, it's gonna be 9am | 16:12 |
| mihgen | Now we start at 8am PST | 16:12 |
| kozhukalov | ca -8 utc | 16:12 |
| mihgen | it's not too early, seems to me fine | 16:12 |
| kozhukalov | so 9am pst | 16:12 |
| mihgen | now is 8.12am PST, so I'm against moving the time to +1 hour | 16:12 |
| mihgen | it's gonna be too late for MSK timezone | 16:13 |
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| kozhukalov | 9am is ok | 16:13 |
| mihgen | you see even late for barthalion , who is in Poland? | 16:13 |
| kozhukalov | 8am is not for CA guys | 16:13 |
| salmon_ | mihgen: | 16:13 |
| mihgen | they wake up at 6am to get intersection with all EU countries anyway | 16:13 |
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| kozhukalov | mihgen: poland time is +1 utc | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | or maybe +2 utc | 16:14 |
| ntrueblood | 8am is fine for CA team. The sun is up. ;) | 16:14 |
| salmon_ | we have 5:14PM now | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | ntrueblood: )) | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | ok, let's make a desicion | 16:14 |
| mihgen | let's keep it as is for now. If there are objections from other - we will do voting | 16:14 |
| mihgen | and can discuss it in openstack-dev ML | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | ok, moving on then | 16:15 |
| mihgen | ok guys let's move on | 16:15 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic Image based provisioning (agordeev) | 16:15 |
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| agordeev | hi | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | hi | 16:15 |
| agordeev | image based provisioning | 16:15 |
| agordeev | mdadm issues are still in progress, but closer to fixing. https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1390492 | 16:15 |
| agordeev | hanging mount points issue is in progress too. https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1391896 | 16:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1390492 in fuel "Provisioning failed if inactive md device had been found" [High,Fix committed] | 16:16 |
| agordeev | progress reporting is in progress too. https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1383748 | 16:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1391896 in fuel "hanging mount points when building iso" [High,In progress] | 16:16 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1383748 in fuel "Provisioning progress bar doesn't work if image based provisioning" [High,In progress] | 16:16 |
| agordeev | hope to finish them on this week. | 16:16 |
| agordeev | and i'm glad to tell that new bug haven't appeared so far | 16:16 |
| agordeev | that's all | 16:16 |
| mihgen | agordeev: thx. mdadm bug is closed actually now | 16:16 |
| mihgen | you say it's not yet done - status wrong? | 16:16 |
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| agordeev | mihgen: it's not fixed yes. so it's re-opened | 16:17 |
| mihgen | question - we are getting images build during master ISO build now? | 16:17 |
| mihgen | and those are getting into 6.0 ISO now? | 16:17 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: exactly | 16:17 |
| mihgen | also, are those getting into upgrade tarball too (6.0)? | 16:17 |
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| kozhukalov | besides there are two other patches | 16:18 |
| lpabon | hi | 16:18 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133481/ | 16:18 |
| lpabon | sorry i'm late | 16:18 |
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| kozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133731/ | 16:18 |
| mihgen | looks like our ISO build now takes +20 more min build time (and becomes 1h build) because of this. Any When do you plan to make it as separate run so we don't rebuild them when not needed? | 16:19 |
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| kozhukalov | they are about placing images into upgrade tarball | 16:19 |
| agordeev | mihgen: images building is turned on by default. but the feature turned off for the nailgun, you need to swtich it into experimental mode manually | 16:19 |
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| mihgen | kozhukalov: ok, I hope we can land those really soon - as we need QA to verify evrything when all pieces are in | 16:20 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: when devops guys will be ready | 16:20 |
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| mihgen | devops guys… ? ^^ | 16:20 |
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| kozhukalov | i mean separate build | 16:20 |
| kozhukalov | for images | 16:20 |
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| mihgen | yeah, that's my question to bookwar monester | 16:21 |
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| mihgen | don't see monester here, bookwar -please poke him | 16:21 |
| kozhukalov | afaik dpyzhov is going to prioritize artifact based building next release | 16:21 |
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| mihgen | we are sufferting more and more without it - as to see a little patch we need to rebuild too many things | 16:22 |
| mihgen | just non-effective | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | yes | 16:22 |
| mihgen | ok let's move on, I'll talk to devops later | 16:22 |
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| kozhukalov | moving on? | 16:22 |
| bookwar | we don't have versioning and metadata for different pieces | 16:22 |
| mihgen | bookwar: what's that about? | 16:22 |
| bookwar | we can'not split the build unless it is resolved | 16:22 |
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| mihgen | kozhukalov: ? | 16:23 |
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| kozhukalov | bookwar: version.yaml ? | 16:23 |
| kozhukalov | at least version.yaml | 16:23 |
| mihgen | ok let's get it out of the meeting. we need to resolve it, we can't simply increase and increase build time … . ( | 16:23 |
| kozhukalov | what we need is switching to job builder | 16:23 |
| kozhukalov | ok | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov | #topic ironic integration (kozhukalov) | 16:24 |
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| kozhukalov | here there are some good news | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov | ironic is in the core at the moment | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov | so ironic people became much more open for new use cases and feature | 16:24 |
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| kozhukalov | some fuel guys took part in a series of beer meetings during summit | 16:25 |
| mihgen | yeah I met Devananda at the summit, he said we need to provide our use cases | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | and now we have an agreement | 16:25 |
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| kozhukalov | we can implements everything we need as Ironic driver | 16:26 |
| mihgen | I missed the beer part with him unfortunately, but anyway ) | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov | we already have working agent side | 16:26 |
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| mihgen | kozhukalov: did we start any mailng thread on this already? | 16:26 |
| mihgen | or any other communication? | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov | so it looks like 7.0 release is suitable for delivering ironic as a part of fuel | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov | yesterday we had a discussion with one of ironic cores | 16:27 |
| mihgen | I think we should a) monitor ML for [Ironic], b) start actively discussing alignment of what we need and what's there in ML, not only in private channels | 16:27 |
| kozhukalov | we agreed that we need start discussing this in ML and start design efforts | 16:27 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: cool | 16:28 |
| mihgen | sounds very good, really | 16:28 |
| kozhukalov | moving on | 16:28 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic collect information on all the changes in the packages (dburmistrov) | 16:28 |
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| dburmistrov | hi all | 16:28 |
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| dburmistrov | We implemented global changelog for all packages included to the iso | 16:28 |
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| dburmistrov | Script gathers lastest changelog entry (if changelog exists) from each package and place it to global changelog file in the iso root | 16:29 |
| dburmistrov | For deb packages script gathers changelog info only from changelog.Debian.gz file on order to prevent junk into global changelog file. | 16:29 |
| dburmistrov | According to Debian policy another changelog* files contains upstream changelog. | 16:29 |
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| dburmistrov | If script can't find changelog.Debian.gz file, such package will be skipped from processing global changelog. | 16:29 |
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| dburmistrov | that's all | 16:29 |
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| mihgen | dburmistrov: this is excellent improvement in my opinion. People now can see what fixes in packages are in the ISO | 16:30 |
| mihgen | dburmistrov: I have question about bugs raised on this | 16:30 |
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| mihgen | like it's inconsistent with reality | 16:30 |
| kozhukalov | afaik there were some problems with changelog during iso building | 16:30 |
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| kozhukalov | bookwar: am i right? | 16:30 |
| mihgen | did you resolve those or what's the status over those? | 16:30 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: that's probably a different issue you are talking about, mine is about content | 16:31 |
| dburmistrov | yes, some packages haven't changelog or it placed twith incorrect name. we're working on it | 16:31 |
| mihgen | dburmistrov: ok | 16:31 |
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| bookwar | kozhukalov: it already works for 5.1.1, we are dealing with 6.0 atm | 16:31 |
| kozhukalov | bookwar: cool | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov | moving on? | 16:32 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: bookwar loop device issue during the iso build? | 16:32 |
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| bookwar | mihgen: agordeev proposed a fix for it | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: fix is ready for loop device | 16:32 |
| mihgen | good, thanks | 16:33 |
| mihgen | let's move on | 16:33 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134029/ | 16:33 |
| kozhukalov | #topic granting FFE to sahara-create-default-templates (dmitryme) | 16:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "granting FFE to sahara-create-default-templates (dmitryme) (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:33 | |
| kozhukalov | dmitryme: around? | 16:33 |
| dmitryme | Hello people, so basically I wanted to ask for feature freeze exception for the following feature: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mos/+spec/sahara-create-default-templates | 16:33 |
| dmitryme | It requires changes in Fuel and the CR is already proposed here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132196/ | 16:34 |
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| dmitryme | Basically it is a really nit change, so should be rather safe to merge it now. | 16:34 |
| dmitryme | can we discuss it right now? | 16:34 |
| mihgen | dmitryme: how large is the feature?.. blueprint misses our standard header with responsible people | 16:34 |
| mihgen | dmitryme: and design spec. See good example - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/send-anon-usage | 16:35 |
| dmitryme | mihgen: it is a single CR you can see above ^^ | 16:35 |
| mihgen | dmitryme: patch looks more simple than complex, and probably affects only sahara | 16:35 |
| mihgen | dmitryme: but I think we should get a closer look into it. Could you send email in openstack-dev so we can give a day to look into.. ? | 16:36 |
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| dmitryme | mihgen: I’ve already sent an email http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-November/050283.html :-) | 16:37 |
| mihgen | The only worry I have right away is that qa has to know what's up there to ensure production quality | 16:37 |
| dmitryme | mihgen: that should be tested by MOS QA | 16:37 |
| mihgen | dmitryme: oh cool, I'll ping folks to take a closer look then | 16:37 |
| dmitryme | mihgen: thank you | 16:37 |
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| mihgen | kozhukalov: let's move on | 16:38 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic separate code freeze for repos (vkramskikh) | 16:38 |
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| vkramskikh | hi | 16:38 |
| vkramskikh | There was an idea to make a separate code freeze for repos, but we decided not to do it. Do we plan to try it this time? It is really painful to maintain multi-level tree of dependent review requests and wait for a few weeks until we can merge new stuff in master. | 16:38 |
| kozhukalov | hi | 16:38 |
| vkramskikh | though 2 weeks before HCF are ok for me, unless we postpone HCF :) | 16:38 |
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| mihgen | so for everyone the issue is that UI usually have no bugs for weeks, while others still struggle with bugs | 16:39 |
| mihgen | and basically UI team can't land any fixes in master as it's closed.. | 16:39 |
| vkramskikh | exactly | 16:40 |
| ikalnitsky | how we gonnda decide for fuel-web? we have there many projects, not only ui part? | 16:40 |
| mihgen | I'm +1 for changing the flow and defining other criteria for branching | 16:40 |
| ikalnitsky | i mean ui may be stable, but what about fuel-upgrade or nailgun? | 16:40 |
| mihgen | ikalnitsky: that's a good question. Probably we can do it only if both stable | 16:40 |
| mihgen | unless we separate the code into different repos | 16:41 |
| mihgen | (not in 6.0 obviously) | 16:41 |
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| mihgen | vkramskikh: do we have a ML thread for this issue? | 16:41 |
| kozhukalov | +1 for separating projects | 16:41 |
| vkramskikh | mihgen: yes, the topic is "[Fuel] Separate code freeze for repos" | 16:41 |
| ikalnitsky | +1 for different repos | 16:42 |
| vkramskikh | (without replies) | 16:42 |
| mihgen | I remember there were objections to separate date for creating stable branch for separate projects… are there any now? | 16:42 |
| vkramskikh | as for separating projects, it needs a separate discussion as it is not trivial | 16:42 |
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| vkramskikh | as we need both UI and nailgun to run UI functional or CLI tests | 16:42 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: the objection was mostly about testing | 16:43 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: currently ui needs nailgun for its tests | 16:43 |
| ikalnitsky | vkramskikh: git pull nailgun is ok for tests. it's not a problem. | 16:43 |
| kozhukalov | fuelclient also needs nailgun for testing | 16:43 |
| kozhukalov | that is not normal | 16:43 |
| mihgen | ok let's try to do one by one first of all, so fuel-web as a whole | 16:43 |
| mihgen | if it's stable enough, we could do branching | 16:43 |
| vkramskikh | +1 | 16:44 |
| mihgen | while fuel-lib is still struggling with bugs for instance | 16:44 |
| ikalnitsky | yep, so we need to decide how can we know that fuel-web (as a whole) is stable. let's discuss that in ML | 16:44 |
| mihgen | vkramskikh: ok, I'll reply on your email. Other, especially qa and release mgrs, this is imprortant to take a look into | 16:44 |
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| mihgen | ikalnitsky: yeah I have some thoughts in mind on this | 16:44 |
| mihgen | thx folks, kozhukalov - let's move on | 16:45 |
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| kozhukalov | ok | 16:45 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic diff upgrade tarball (ikalnitsky) | 16:45 |
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| ikalnitsky | this monday we have merged all latest fixes in both 5.1.1 and 6.0, so now you can download a fully-working tarball from our ci. | 16:45 |
| ikalnitsky | last two days qa have performed some manual tests, and today some automation tests are successful passed. so i can say that at this moment all looks good. | 16:45 |
| ikalnitsky | some info about tarball size: | 16:45 |
| ikalnitsky | upgrade tarball for 5.1.1 = ~1.1 Gb (brings 5.1.1-5.1 diff) | 16:45 |
| ikalnitsky | upgrade tarball for 6.0 = ~1.6 Gb (brings 5.1.1-5.1 diff and 6.0-5.1 diff) | 16:45 |
| ikalnitsky | that's all for now | 16:45 |
| mihgen | ikalnitsky: excellent! it was like 2.5gb before for 5.1 | 16:46 |
| mihgen | what about system tests? | 16:46 |
| mihgen | is it all connected now to systests? | 16:46 |
| ikalnitsky | mihgen: yep, but not all jobs are completed | 16:46 |
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| mihgen | bookwar: devops part - did we configure all required attention to jobs, like notifications, etc. | 16:46 |
| ikalnitsky | some of them have not been started | 16:46 |
| mihgen | ikalnitsky: what's left? | 16:46 |
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| bookwar | we test 5.1 to 5.1.1 upgrade tarball as a part of the swarm run | 16:47 |
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| bookwar | mihgen: the 5.1.1 upgrade tarball is build together with 5.1.1 iso with same notificattions, the 6.0 upgrade tarball is not yet | 16:48 |
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| ikalnitsky | bookwar: when you're going to connect 6.0 tarball to swarm? | 16:48 |
| mihgen | bookwar: we need to treat these jobs in the same way as we treat 6.0 iso build.. | 16:48 |
| bookwar | ikalnitsky: we'll move from 6.0.iso to 6.0.all job tomorrow probably and then it go through the whole testing process | 16:49 |
| ikalnitsky | bookwar: nice. thank you. | 16:49 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, looks we have nothing to discuss in our agenda | 16:50 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: open discussion.. | 16:50 |
| kozhukalov | #topic open discussion | 16:50 |
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| mihgen | we've got bvt centos failure https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1392386 | 16:51 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1392386 in mos "Neutron network deletion fails: "DBDeadlock: (OperationalError)"" [High,New] | 16:51 |
| mihgen | I'm wondering why it's High, not Critical - if it blocks our bvt | 16:51 |
| mihgen | from being green | 16:51 |
| mihgen | anyone took a look into it? | 16:51 |
| mihgen | dmitryme: targets neutron too | 16:52 |
| bookwar | mihgen: artem_panchenko and mattymo are looking into it | 16:52 |
| mihgen | kk | 16:52 |
| bookwar | it has not been reproduced on reverted environment | 16:52 |
| bookwar | so it is some floating issue probably | 16:53 |
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| mihgen | worst issue to have.. | 16:53 |
| dmitryme | mihgen: just received a message from aignatov: he noticed the bug | 16:53 |
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| kozhukalov | any other q? | 16:54 |
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| kozhukalov | looks like we are done | 16:55 |
| kozhukalov | closing then | 16:55 |
| mihgen | thx all | 16:55 |
| kozhukalov | thanx everyone | 16:55 |
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| kozhukalov | #endmeeting | 16:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 13 16:56:06 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:56 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-11-13-16.01.html | 16:56 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-11-13-16.01.txt | 16:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-11-13-16.01.log.html | 16:56 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok, I think outlook is wrong and I'm right | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 13 17:01:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack Security Group)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 17:01 |
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| chair6 | if it doubt, outlook is generally always wrong.. | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Soo. Anyone else expecting a meeting to start now ? | 17:02 |
| chair6 | s/it/in/ | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:02 |
| mvangund | yup | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | hey chair6 - ready for awesomeness? | 17:02 |
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| shohel02 | y | 17:02 |
| chair6 | always | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | ok, roll call :) | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | I'm here! | 17:03 |
| mvangund | me too | 17:03 |
| chair6 | present | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | Quiet meeting | 17:03 |
| shohel02 | me 2 | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | What do you guys want to cover today? | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Summit roundup from the VMT meeting | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | Metrics | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | Mailing List | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | Bandit/OSSN ? | 17:04 |
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| chair6 | sounds good, nothing new here.. | 17:05 |
| * mvangund is up for anything (first meeting) | 17:05 | |
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| hyakuhei | welcome mvangund ! | 17:05 |
| dg__ | hey people | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | ok well, I'll get started :) | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | The summit went well, there was a lot of informal meeting up | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | We didn't have the traditional OSSG lunch, everyone was just too busy | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | which is a good thing because security was everywhere at this summit | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | The summit videos are all up, security track was Monday and Wednesday | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | good stuff @hyakuhei | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | I presented on ephemeral PKI, shohel02 did awesome work on threat analysis, malini did trusted bare metal | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder had a great talk Wendesday morning | 17:07 |
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| shohel02 | thats all good stuff ... one advantage of having a dedicated security track | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | We had a good VMT discussion | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | They mentioned metrics again for OSSA | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | and I suggested we apply DREAD as we're doing that in Threat Modelling | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/OSSA-Metrics | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | Needs some tidying up and the calibration being performed, please feel free to dive in. | 17:09 |
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| chair6 | +1 for using existing model rather than building another.. :) | 17:10 |
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| hyakuhei | So yeh, I drafted that wiki page and welcome any fixes | 17:10 |
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| hyakuhei | Next up I expressed my desire to see the OSSG be officially recognised as a supporting project in OpenStack | 17:11 |
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| hyakuhei | Like the docs group or others | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | which will mean we operate under the same charter and follow the same conventions. | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | That too was broadly accepted | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | any pushback? | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:11 |
| shohel02 | +1 | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | A big part of the reason it was accepted so readily is because of the hard work everyone here has done to add value during the last release | 17:12 |
| chair6 | nice .. is there a formal acceptance step? | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | I'm not sure, I'm discussing with people next week | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | As it may be different for 'supporting' projects | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | also they're changing the organisational structure, there might not even be 'projects' soon | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | So watch this space but it's a good step forward | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | Next up I'd like to discuss the mailing list | 17:14 |
| shohel02 | I just want to add one thing related to OSSA | 17:15 |
| dg__ | hyakuhei what will it look like without projects? | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | Teams under different umbrellas | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | shohel02: go ahead | 17:15 |
| shohel02 | there was a tiding up work going on related to OSSA... put them together | 17:15 |
| shohel02 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133202/ | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | s/umbrellas/tents | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks for mentioning that shohel02 I didn't know about it. | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, so next up is the mailing list | 17:16 |
| mvangund | related comment | 17:17 |
| mvangund | (re OSSA) | 17:17 |
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| mvangund | Why aren't security advisories linked from http://www.openstack.org/projects/openstack-security/ | 17:17 |
| mvangund | maybe it's a noob question... but if I go to openstack.org and click on security... I'd at least expect to find a link to current advisories | 17:18 |
| shohel02 | i think now thats the plan... to get all OSSA from a single place | 17:18 |
| shohel02 | currently there distributed through mailing list | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Oh | 17:18 |
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| hyakuhei | OSSN and OSSA will be listed on security.openstack.org | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | That's going to be a thing soon :) | 17:19 |
| mvangund | ok... I'll +1 that | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | :D | 17:19 |
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| hyakuhei | ok so mailing list | 17:22 |
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| hyakuhei | We want to continue improving visibility and bringing in more discussion | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | So the proposal is to move the OSSG discussions to the -dev mailing list | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | dev is noisy | 17:23 |
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| hyakuhei | We'll retain the openstack-security mailing list for our automated notifications | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: it is | 17:24 |
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| hyakuhei | but if that's not a problem for _every_ other technical contributor it shouldn't be a problem for you | 17:24 |
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| tmcpeak | :) | 17:24 |
| chair6 | benefits to be had, for sure .. i guess we can get good at using an [OSSG] or similar label? | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | Automated notifications aside the mailing list is quiet | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, we'll just tag everything with [OSSG] | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | fair enough | 17:25 |
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| shohel02 | Does it mean no one is able to send email to ossg mailing list ? | 17:26 |
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| hyakuhei | So this is a proposal, I'd put it on the mailing list but noone reads it ;) | 17:26 |
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| hyakuhei | shohel02: yeah it'll be read only for everyone but our tooling | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | So it'll still get SecImpact notifications for example | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | It will improve discussion and visibility I think | 17:27 |
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| hyakuhei | Any other thoughts on that? | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | nope, ok great. | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | So I'll open it for other business | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | #topic any other business | 17:29 |
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| hyakuhei | Tim's OSSN is looking good https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128636/ | 17:29 |
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| hyakuhei | welcome to the party tkelsey ! | 17:30 |
| tkelsey | Sorry im late | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | I think we are close to a wrap here :) | 17:30 |
| tkelsey | Silly outlook | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah I know | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Anyway, anyone? | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: chair6 - bandit progress? | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | it's been quiet for a while | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey is working on unit testing | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | we'll probably hit it hard again pretty soon | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | we have some features planned, just need some cycles | 17:32 |
| tkelsey | Yeah im trying to find time for more bandit stuff | 17:32 |
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| barthalion | seems like outlook is destroying today meetings | 17:32 |
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| hyakuhei | +1 barthalion | 17:32 |
| dg__ | action: rob - fix outlook? | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:33 |
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| tkelsey | Lol please do | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | ok. Anything else to cover guys? | 17:33 |
| shohel02 | dg__ tell microsoft | 17:33 |
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| hyakuhei | ok well lets wrap :) | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 13 17:34:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-11-13-17.01.html | 17:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-11-13-17.01.txt | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | thanks all | 17:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-11-13-17.01.log.html | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | seeya | 17:34 |
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| tkelsey | Thanks all sorry to miss all of it :-\ | 17:34 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 13 19:00:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting' | 19:00 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic RollCall | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RollCall (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:00 | |
| tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:00 |
| obulpathi | o/ | 19:00 |
| miqui | o/ | 19:00 |
| megan_w_ | hey guys | 19:00 |
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| ametts | \o/ | 19:00 |
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| amitgandhinz | ugh ametts has two hands. he can do twice the work ;-) | 19:01 |
| ametts | \\o// | 19:01 |
| amitgandhinz | ummmm...... | 19:01 |
| ametts | (I'm limber) | 19:01 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy | 19:02 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Review Last Week | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Last Week (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:02 | |
| amitgandhinz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/weekly_poppy_meeting/2014/weekly_poppy_meeting.2014-11-06-21.01.html | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | megan_w_: did you investigate SNI? | 19:02 |
| megan_w_ | yes i did | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | care to share? | 19:03 |
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| megan_w_ | akamai says they aren't ready to heavily invest in SNI yet, since all broswers aren't compatible | 19:03 |
| megan_w_ | i haven't heard back from Fastly, but i sent the email less than 5 mintues ago.. | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | lol | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:04 |
| miqui | sorry what is "SNI" ? | 19:04 |
| megan_w_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication | 19:04 |
| miqui | ..tahnks | 19:04 |
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| megan_w_ | basically, a way to serve over TLS without buying your own cert.. | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | and on this topic of SSL, I spoke with the Barbican team at the summit | 19:04 |
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| amitgandhinz | we may utilize them to generate SSL certs and send to providers | 19:05 |
| malini | o/ | 19:05 |
| catherin_ | o/ | 19:05 |
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| megan_w_ | amitgandhinz: do they have a timeline for their project? or is it working today? | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | they are "working" with dogtag today | 19:05 |
| megan_w_ | ok | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | they are about to start with semantic i believe | 19:05 |
| megan_w_ | to wrap this action item up....i will continue to look at SNI | 19:06 |
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| amitgandhinz | but we are probably looking at a Q2 timeframe | 19:06 |
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| amitgandhinz | #action megan_w_will continue to look at SNI | 19:06 |
| megan_w_ | but i think we should follow our plan of not worrying about it until 2 providers support it | 19:06 |
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| amitgandhinz | malini: take care of posting review guidelines | 19:06 |
| megan_w_ | or whatever the "sanity check" number was for features | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | megan_w_: _1 | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | +1 | 19:06 |
| malini | I created a wiki page with whatever I cud think of https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Poppy/Developer_-_Review_Guidelines | 19:07 |
| malini | Will update this on an ongoing basis | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | oooh nice! | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | thanks | 19:07 |
| malini | so should everybody else :) | 19:07 |
| malini | yw :) | 19:08 |
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| obulpathi | cool | 19:08 |
| obulpathi | bookmarking it :) | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | malini to update guidelines regarding running api tests | 19:08 |
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| tonytan4ever | Good. I will keep track of it too. | 19:08 |
| malini | did we have an action for the api tests? | 19:08 |
| malini | I missed that :( | 19:08 |
| malini | Can we carry it over? | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | has your name on it =P | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | #action malini to update guidelines regarding running api tests | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, and there are a bunch of unassigned items that appear to be a misuse of the action tag =P | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | so im going to skip over them | 19:09 |
| obulpathi | thats me :D | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | #action obulpathi to learn meetbot ;-) | 19:10 |
| obulpathi | anoted :) | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Blueprints | 19:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:10 | |
| malini | we will have a test next week obulpathi | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | ok so first thing to note on this | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | i spent some time with my project manager hat on | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | and i assigned blueprints to series and milestones. | 19:11 |
| malini | yayy | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | so you will now see kilo on most of them | 19:11 |
| obulpathi | yay | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | and drilling into kilo you will see kilo-1, kilo-2, kilo-3 milestones | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | so that we can track the openstack release cycles | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | fyi kilo-1 is due on Dec 5 !!! | 19:11 |
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| obulpathi | oh openstack has release cycles inside each release? | 19:12 |
| obulpathi | ok | 19:12 |
| malini | no pressure :/ | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | but this will help us priortize and work on the most important deliverables | 19:12 |
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| amitgandhinz | i also added a "future" series which consists of "ongoing" and "next" | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | they should be self explanatory what they mean | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | to see what is assigned to kilo -1 | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/kilo-1 | 19:13 |
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| amitgandhinz | so we can track our discussion based on this list instead of the full list of bprints | 19:13 |
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| amitgandhinz | any questions? | 19:13 |
| malini | nope | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | s/dec 5/dec 4 ;-) | 19:14 |
| obulpathi | nop | 19:14 |
| tonytan4ever | Sounds good to me | 19:14 |
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| amitgandhinz | okie doke | 19:14 |
| obulpathi | so, each release has three parts? 1, 2 and 3 each spanning 2 months? | 19:14 |
| obulpathi | openstack release i mean | 19:14 |
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| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: pretty much | 19:15 |
| obulpathi | cool | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | there is r1, r2, r3, and then time for the final cut | 19:15 |
| obulpathi | oh ok | 19:15 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/provider-url-in-conf | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: ^ | 19:15 |
| malini | It is in progress | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | i see a PR for that? | 19:15 |
| malini | yeah..which is failing horribly | 19:16 |
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| amitgandhinz | nice | 19:16 |
| malini | I need to fix/add tests | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | ok marked as Good Progress | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/home-doc | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | miqui: ^ | 19:16 |
| miqui | hi... have not started... the bp of docstrings can be closed, but is pending the failed doc jobs.. | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | ok. will you be starting on the home-doc soon?" | 19:18 |
| miqui | yes | 19:18 |
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| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: akamai driver | 19:19 |
| miqui | amitgandhinz: will you log a bug for the failed eradthedocs build? | 19:19 |
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| amitgandhinz | miqui: sure | 19:19 |
| tonytan4ever | I'd call it Good Progress, I am working with Akamai folks on finishing this. | 19:19 |
| tonytan4ever | Got one more purge api to go, but all other features are in good hands. | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | awesome! | 19:20 |
| malini | tht is very humble tonytan4ever :D | 19:20 |
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| obulpathi | +1 | 19:20 |
| miqui | +1 | 19:21 |
| tonytan4ever | humble is good. | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/cloud-dns-driver | 19:21 |
| obulpathi | fixed all the bugs | 19:21 |
| obulpathi | not adding the unit tests | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | not? | 19:21 |
| obulpathi | should be good to go by tomorrow | 19:21 |
| obulpathi | now | 19:21 |
| obulpathi | s/not/now/ | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | haha, malini was about to punch you haha | 19:22 |
| obulpathi | lucky for me | 19:22 |
| malini | good for obulpathi I am WFH | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | awesome | 19:22 |
| obulpathi | she is not working from office today :D | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: that also takes care of the Default DNS driver? | 19:22 |
| obulpathi | default DNS driver is done | 19:22 |
| obulpathi | but I got it bundled with teh rackspace one | 19:23 |
| obulpathi | so both will roll out at same time | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | ill keep it in progress until a patch is available to review | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: Purge? | 19:23 |
| tonytan4ever | That one is under review. | 19:23 |
| tonytan4ever | Addressed a few comments. | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | lets get some eyes on it | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: Patch? | 19:24 |
| obulpathi | the poppy-server hanging bug was forcing patch to sit in review | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | there is currently a merge conflict on it | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128682/ | 19:25 |
| obulpathi | now the server hanging bug is addresed, | 19:25 |
| obulpathi | yes, will fix it | 19:25 |
| obulpathi | thanks :) | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/set-restrictions | 19:25 |
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| tonytan4ever | That one is under review too. | 19:25 |
| tonytan4ever | could use more reviews, folks. | 19:26 |
| tonytan4ever | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131252/ | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | yup lets get some eyes on this too | 19:26 |
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| obulpathi | sure | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | ok so blueprints wise i think we are getting close | 19:27 |
| miqui | will do tonytan4ever | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | lets just get better about reviewing | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | somethings are sitting for a while | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | anything else on blueprints? | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | before we move on to bugs? | 19:27 |
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| obulpathi | whena re we planning for the worker/queue mechanism? | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | after we get this stuff discussed above done =) | 19:28 |
| obulpathi | so its for kilo-2 .. ok cool | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | i have it slated for kilo 3 currently | 19:28 |
| obulpathi | oh ok | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | but i can move it up to kilo 2 if needed | 19:28 |
| obulpathi | if we do that all our patches will be much small and can improve our speed | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | agree | 19:29 |
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| tonytan4ever | +1 | 19:29 |
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| amitgandhinz | caching rules is also one of the last major features for kilo1/2 that we need to expose | 19:29 |
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| amitgandhinz | i have it down as kilo2 as i dont think we will get to that by dec 4 (or maybe we will =)) | 19:30 |
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| obulpathi | ok | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | but we need to get through the other kilo1 in progress work first | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | then i will draw more bp in | 19:30 |
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| obulpathi | cool .. got it | 19:30 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic bugs | 19:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:31 | |
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| amitgandhinz | full bug list #link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy | 19:31 |
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| amitgandhinz | i have targeted some of these to kilo1: https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/kilo-1 | 19:31 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1389790 | 19:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1389790 in poppy "API tests failing for create service" [High,New] | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | who wants to take this one? | 19:32 |
| obulpathi | I am | 19:32 |
| tonytan4ever | That one can go to me | 19:32 |
| obulpathi | I am working on thsi one | 19:32 |
| obulpathi | sorry | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | ....and fight | 19:33 |
| tonytan4ever | OK | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | haha, it goes to obulpathi | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | he was first | 19:33 |
| malini | aah…missed a good fight | 19:33 |
| tonytan4ever | I fix deadlock so I am not fighting. | 19:33 |
| malini | :D | 19:33 |
| obulpathi | thanks Tony :) | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1389766 | 19:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1389766 in poppy "API tests for flavors are failing" [High,Confirmed] | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | that sounds like the api test code is broken | 19:34 |
| malini | obulpathi updated this, rt? | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | based on the "flavor_ref" rename | 19:34 |
| obulpathi | I think this is fixed? right? | 19:34 |
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| malini | yes. | 19:34 |
| obulpathi | yeah, I remember fixing it and | 19:34 |
| malini | it is merged too | 19:34 |
| obulpathi | and it looks like merged too | 19:34 |
| obulpathi | yep | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | can i close it? | 19:34 |
| malini | we might have a few open bugs, but not related to flavor_ref | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:34 |
| malini | I'll create a new one if needed | 19:34 |
| obulpathi | I forgot to add that closes bug text in patch message | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | make sure we reference bugs in the commit messages so they are linked | 19:35 |
| obulpathi | sure | 19:35 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok i slated the rest for kilo2 and onwards as they didnt feel critical enough for right now | 19:36 |
| amitgandhinz | any objections? | 19:36 |
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| tonytan4ever | nope | 19:36 |
| miqui | nope | 19:36 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic New Items | 19:37 |
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| amitgandhinz | no new items on the agenda | 19:37 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Open Discussion | 19:37 |
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| miqui | amitgandhinz: you can assign #1381091 to me... | 19:37 |
| amitgandhinz | any one want to discuss anything in particular? | 19:37 |
| miqui | i do | 19:37 |
| miqui | question: who does the zuul gates for poppy? | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | assigned | 19:38 |
| miqui | folks from openstack infra team? | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | that will be openstack-infra | 19:38 |
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| miqui | anyone in particular? | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | there are yaml files that have it configured what to run at the gate | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | they all live in the openstack-infra repo | 19:38 |
| miqui | right... zuul config stuff sure.. | 19:38 |
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| amitgandhinz | we dont have a dedicated person who manages itfor us (that i know of) | 19:39 |
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| amitgandhinz | i did the initial set up | 19:39 |
| miqui | ok, | 19:39 |
| miqui | infra approves it? | 19:39 |
| amitgandhinz | yeh | 19:39 |
| miqui | k | 19:39 |
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| amitgandhinz | basically you submit patches to the files and they approve it and merge it in | 19:39 |
| miqui | k | 19:40 |
| miqui | i wonder why docs gate did not work | 19:40 |
| miqui | i.e. test failed, but merged ocurred... | 19:40 |
| malini | maybe they are not voting? | 19:40 |
| amitgandhinz | not sure. i wonder if its an issue with readthedocs specifically | 19:41 |
| miqui | good one. i will check the infra code | 19:41 |
| amitgandhinz | because the docs env on tox is working | 19:41 |
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| amitgandhinz | you can try running doc8 also | 19:41 |
| miqui | exactly.. | 19:41 |
| malini | is tht like pep8? | 19:41 |
| miqui | doing it now... | 19:41 |
| amitgandhinz | yeh | 19:41 |
| amitgandhinz | my guess is due to the obsure error in readthedocs that its not a syntactical issue, maybe something else | 19:42 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok next item..... | 19:42 |
| malini | amitgandhinz: did you already update abt the Paris summit? | 19:42 |
| amitgandhinz | can we all agree to get better with reviewing | 19:42 |
| amitgandhinz | i feel patches are sitting there forever | 19:43 |
| miqui | +1 | 19:43 |
| malini | yes :-$ | 19:43 |
| amitgandhinz | and we have a lot of -1's there too | 19:43 |
| obulpathi | yes | 19:43 |
| amitgandhinz | so we need to kill patches that arent going anywhere, or fix them, or mark them WIP | 19:43 |
| tonytan4ever | +1 | 19:43 |
| obulpathi | the cassandra tests patch | 19:43 |
| obulpathi | is just sitting there | 19:43 |
| amitgandhinz | #agreed we will be better reviewers and nicer patchers | 19:44 |
| obulpathi | can we kill that one and | 19:44 |
| obulpathi | I will add it when we try it again? | 19:44 |
| amitgandhinz | yeh | 19:44 |
| obulpathi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122824/ | 19:44 |
| obulpathi | ok .. | 19:44 |
| amitgandhinz | and the queue-driver patches need to be merged together, and old ones abandoned | 19:44 |
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| amitgandhinz | and also name the branch after the name of the bleuprint | 19:45 |
| obulpathi | ok | 19:45 |
| obulpathi | I think tonytan4ever merged it | 19:46 |
| tonytan4ever | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132063/ this is the combined queue-driver set | 19:46 |
| obulpathi | so I will delete mine | 19:46 |
| tonytan4ever | patch | 19:46 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:46 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: did the py34 opencafe patch get merged? | 19:46 |
| malini | no..But I have it in my personal repo | 19:46 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, will wait on that then... | 19:47 |
| malini | We can point to that one in tox.ini for now? | 19:47 |
| malini | ok | 19:47 |
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| amitgandhinz | alrighty | 19:47 |
| amitgandhinz | does anyone still need an update on the summit? | 19:47 |
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| amitgandhinz | i think i updated some on the normal channel the other day | 19:47 |
| malini | aah..ok..I thought miqui missed it | 19:47 |
| amitgandhinz | but i can go over it again if anyone wants it | 19:47 |
| amitgandhinz | i chatted with miqui on tues i think | 19:48 |
| malini | cool | 19:48 |
| miqui | +1 | 19:48 |
| miqui | ..yes thanks.. | 19:48 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok any other topics? | 19:48 |
| miqui | not from me... | 19:49 |
| obulpathi | nop | 19:49 |
| malini | me neither | 19:49 |
| amitgandhinz | you all get 11 minutes of your time back then =) | 19:49 |
| malini | thanks all :) | 19:49 |
| amitgandhinz | thanks everyone | 19:49 |
| miqui | ..thanks | 19:49 |
| tonytan4ever | Thanks. | 19:50 |
| tonytan4ever | bye | 19:50 |
| obulpathi | is this going to change the time? | 19:50 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 13 19:50:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-11-13-19.00.html | 19:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-11-13-19.00.txt | 19:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-11-13-19.00.log.html | 19:50 |
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| kragniz | glance folk? | 20:00 |
| hemanthm | o/ | 20:00 |
| mfedosin_ | o/ | 20:00 |
| sigmavirus24 | yes | 20:01 |
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| * kragniz hopes people know there's a meeting today | 20:02 | |
| abhishekk | o/ | 20:02 |
| jokke_ | :) | 20:03 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 20:03 |
| nikhil_k|afk | o/ | 20:03 |
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| nikhil_k | #startmeeting Glance | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 13 20:03:59 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil_k. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 20:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance' | 20:04 |
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| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda | 20:04 |
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| nikhil_k | kragniz: abhishekk jokke_ : around ? | 20:04 |
| jokke_ | yup | 20:05 |
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| kragniz | nikhil_k: o/ | 20:05 |
| jokke_ | are we the only ones? ;) | 20:05 |
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| nikhil_k | see there ack from hemanthm mfedosin sigmavirus24 ? | 20:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm here | 20:05 |
| kragniz | nope, there's a bunch more | 20:05 |
| nikhil_k | okay | 20:05 |
| mfedosin | +1 | 20:05 |
| curtis_p | +1 | 20:05 |
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| nikhil_k | arnaud__: flaper87 ? | 20:06 |
| jokke_ | Mike & Curtis \o | 20:06 |
| mfedosin | jokke_, o/ | 20:06 |
| nikhil_k | not sure if Travis and Lakshmi are here? | 20:06 |
| nikhil_k | anyways, let's get started | 20:06 |
| hemanthm | o/ | 20:06 |
| nikhil_k | #Topic Virtual mini summit survey results | 20:06 |
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| nikhil_k | so, haven't had anymore responses yet | 20:07 |
| nikhil_k | just those 8 | 20:07 |
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| nikhil_k | and it would be good to have input on the form to decide the location and time of the kilo mid-cycle meetup | 20:07 |
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| nikhil_k | so, strongly encourage for everyone to participate | 20:08 |
| hemanthm | do we default to virtual mini-summit? | 20:08 |
| nikhil_k | not sure yet | 20:08 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: so is it still open if we will have it together with Nova at VMWare or not? | 20:08 |
| nikhil_k | current responses indicate that no | 20:08 |
| abhishekk | nikhil, sorry I am here now | 20:09 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: current results seem to indicate that we need to have it in east coast area | 20:09 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: due to nova peeps, or scheduling glance folk? | 20:09 |
| nikhil_k | am not sure if there is much to discuss sitting alongside Nova | 20:09 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: I think the info was also not there when that survey was posted | 20:10 |
| nikhil_k | however, I can confirm that after syncing up with the Nova PTL | 20:10 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: those results were before we knew we could have the meetup alongside nova, though? | 20:10 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: I'm willing to join Palo Alto if we get together with Nova folks | 20:10 |
| nikhil_k | if I start the survey again, people will not fill it out | 20:10 |
| nikhil_k | if what I'm afraid about | 20:11 |
| nikhil_k | is* | 20:11 |
| nikhil_k | and we do not have participation at the meetings | 20:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | Can people update existing responses? | 20:11 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: why not just send out a very small new one? | 20:11 |
| nikhil_k | which is kinda of annoying | 20:11 |
| jokke_ | so don't let the survey dominate ... make executive call based on new opportunities :P | 20:11 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: lol, however we want to respect the open-ness of the community | 20:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | ^^ PTL is kind of like BDFL, right? | 20:12 |
| * sigmavirus24 kids | 20:12 | |
| nikhil_k | what if people are not willing to travel that far, loses the purpose of mid-cycle meetup | 20:12 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: I doubt it will change a lot if it's at East Coast or West Coast ... it's Biatch for EMEA/APJ anyways | 20:12 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: ok, only if I'd some confirmation from the other people as well | 20:13 |
| nikhil_k | let me try to figure it out offline | 20:13 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: that's easy, send e-mail to the mailing list "Is there anyone strongly opposing?" ... you probably won't get a single response and you have given opportunity :) | 20:13 |
| nikhil_k | we'd decide on the location by next Thursday | 20:13 |
| jokke_ | +1 | 20:13 |
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| kragniz | nikhil_k: sounds good | 20:14 |
| nikhil_k | so, how do we decide on the Meeting time? | 20:15 |
| nikhil_k | is everyone here okay with keeping all the meetings at 14UTC? | 20:15 |
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| nikhil_k | and stop the alternating time | 20:15 |
| jokke_ | I'm good with 1400 | 20:15 |
| hemanthm | works for me | 20:15 |
| kragniz | works for me, too | 20:15 |
| sigmavirus24 | No objections here but i'm not a regular attendee | 20:15 |
| hemanthm | guess we gotta check with zhiyan | 20:16 |
| curtis_p | 1400 is good | 20:16 |
| mfedosin | i like 2 pm every time | 20:16 |
| nikhil_k | ok, so that might be another note of disappotment sent to ML and mention of the new time | 20:16 |
| kragniz | at the very least, we can trial it for a few weeks | 20:16 |
| hemanthm | I'll miss fewer meetings if we are not alternating :) | 20:16 |
| kragniz | if a few people don't like it, we can change to something else | 20:17 |
| nikhil_k | we want to avoid changes to reduce scheduling conflicts | 20:17 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: true | 20:17 |
| abhishekk | 1400 sounds good | 20:17 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Guidelines for: Core reviewers, review quality, membership etc | 20:18 |
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| nikhil_k | seems like a favority topic :) | 20:18 |
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| nikhil_k | we've had a lot of requests for core-reviewer membership lately | 20:18 |
| jokke_ | that's good | 20:19 |
| nikhil_k | and in order to keep fairness for all those who are earning/earned it the hard way | 20:19 |
| kragniz | I didn't know that was a thing | 20:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | ^^ | 20:19 |
| hemanthm | Isn't it only by nomination? | 20:19 |
| nikhil_k | it seemed like a good idea to keep some guidelines | 20:19 |
| nikhil_k | coming to that | 20:20 |
| jokke_ | That's what I thought as well until the summit :D | 20:20 |
| jokke_ | +1 for guidelines | 20:20 |
| nikhil_k | all those who are already doing quality reviews, please keep up the good work | 20:20 |
| hemanthm | +1 | 20:20 |
| abhishekk | +1 | 20:20 |
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| nikhil_k | here I just wanted to say that we must understand that numbers help however, that'd not be the only deciding factor | 20:21 |
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| nikhil_k | please give your valuable feedback so that we will have good changes to the patch sets | 20:22 |
| mfedosin | btw, what is a procedure of becoming a core? | 20:22 |
| * jokke_ stops writing that auto +1 script | 20:22 | |
| nikhil_k | and the changes go through smoothly with fewer patch sets and less of wait time for developers | 20:22 |
| kragniz | jokke_: I knew it | 20:22 |
| mfedosin | does another core needs to bite you? :) | 20:22 |
| hemanthm | jokke_: mind sharing the script? :P | 20:22 |
| hemanthm | mfedosin: lol | 20:23 |
| nikhil_k | it helps developers working on the bugs/features, helps the community with less review queue and helps a ton on the infra gate | 20:23 |
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| nikhil_k | just wanted to mention that to whoever is proposing or is going to propose candidate names to me offline | 20:23 |
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| nikhil_k | best idea for all the developers joning the circle this cycle would be | 20:24 |
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| mfedosin | it's pretty clear | 20:25 |
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| nikhil_k | helping the core-reviewer assigned to a BP should help in getting that core-reviewer and me to nominate you | 20:25 |
| nikhil_k | it will also help the BP and you will also have build a good rapport with community member | 20:25 |
| nikhil_k | all in all, please keep focusing on the quality reviews | 20:26 |
| hemanthm | I've just started putting together a brain dump for the review guidelines, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-review-guidelines | 20:27 |
| nikhil_k | my feeling is that a good comments without a -1 or +1 is worth more than the rank in the stats | 20:27 |
| nikhil_k | ok great | 20:27 |
| hemanthm | It'd be helpful if you all can contribute | 20:27 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Review Guidelines | 20:27 |
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| nikhil_k | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-review-guidelines | 20:27 |
| nikhil_k | there a bit more guidelines set out there | 20:28 |
| jokke_ | Could I ask, Please don't stop reviewing code at the point you see first -1 there | 20:28 |
| hemanthm | feel free to drop in whatever comes to your head. I'd be happy to organize stuff into meaningful buckes | 20:28 |
| nikhil_k | specifically, Nova team has a good page for their reviews | 20:28 |
| nikhil_k | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReviewWorkflowTips | 20:28 |
| jokke_ | at least I tend to wait day or two to get all the wishes in the next PS not just the oneliner someone pointed out | 20:29 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: yes, unless it's something that indicates that the patch is not fully complete, not applicable to cycle , etc | 20:29 |
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| nikhil_k | does anyone have any comments, concerns? | 20:30 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: btw that wikipage is by no means Nova specific even the exampleas are having nova there | 20:30 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: not really, all sounds good | 20:30 |
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| nikhil_k | jokke_: yeah, I'd have rephrased that | 20:31 |
| nikhil_k | we need something Glance specific | 20:31 |
| nikhil_k | something that indicates - regular errors, gotchas, etc. | 20:31 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: what glance specific we need there? | 20:31 |
| nikhil_k | so that the reviewers don't have to comment exact same thing on every single patch | 20:31 |
| nikhil_k | this would be a good guideline for both reviewers and the developers | 20:32 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: +1 | 20:32 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: good luck with that .... like hacking doc or logging guidelines had helped there ;) | 20:32 |
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| nikhil_k | Let's see where we land | 20:32 |
| nikhil_k | We can try, for now | 20:33 |
| nikhil_k | #topic glance_store in launchpad | 20:33 |
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| nikhil_k | #link https://launchpad.net/glance-store | 20:33 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: sounds good ... would be great get something more generic so that every project didn't have to have their own guidlines and if you're jumping between, trying to remember what was the one here | 20:33 |
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| nikhil_k | jokke_: sure, may be a sub page for glance specific things. Overall structure being generic | 20:34 |
| nikhil_k | I believe hemanthm is leading that effort | 20:35 |
| mfedosin | I can help him | 20:35 |
| nikhil_k | so please co-ordinate with him | 20:35 |
| mfedosin | got some experience in that | 20:35 |
| hemanthm | mfedosin cool, thanks | 20:35 |
| nikhil_k | moving to glance_store | 20:35 |
| mfedosin | okay | 20:35 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: cool ... as this is going to be handholding cycle anyways, I'll reach Sean, Jay and Doug if we can get some generic best practises out there through openstack-specs | 20:36 |
| jokke_ | ok | 20:36 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: that sounds great. thanks! | 20:36 |
| nikhil_k | glance_store: please do file bugs against that project | 20:36 |
| nikhil_k | and not against glance | 20:36 |
| jokke_ | oh gr8 | 20:36 |
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| kragniz | I moved a coule of existing ones against it this morning | 20:36 |
| nikhil_k | release notes, dates, etc. info should be available on that page at some point | 20:37 |
| nikhil_k | kragniz: excellent! | 20:37 |
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| * kragniz thinks it needs a fancy openstack logo | 20:37 | |
| kragniz | :P | 20:37 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Reviews, Specs, priorities, etc. | 20:38 |
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| nikhil_k | Am trying to come up with a good solution where we can collaborate on the most important things to do | 20:38 |
| nikhil_k | etherpad, trello, etc. tools come to mind | 20:38 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: trello might be cool | 20:39 |
| jokke_ | etherpads are just pain | 20:39 |
| kragniz | iirc another program uses it | 20:39 |
| mfedosin | yep, trello is nice | 20:39 |
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| jokke_ | never touched trello ... need to have a look | 20:39 |
| hemanthm | +1 | 20:39 |
| nikhil_k | that would help keep the velocity going and keep people aware about the most important changes *now* in glance, glance_store and python-glanceclient | 20:39 |
| kragniz | so using it in openstack isn't something new | 20:39 |
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| kragniz | nikhil_k: +1 to that | 20:39 |
| nikhil_k | so, for tracking glance_store and client releases we just started using trello | 20:40 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: reg prioritization ... is it cores who are also bug drivers? | 20:40 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: well there is that bug team | 20:40 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: and if not, who is, because that is not working | 20:40 |
| nikhil_k | however, glance used to be very small that there was literally no distinction | 20:40 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: yeah that was exactly my point ... who is on that bug team | 20:41 |
| nikhil_k | ok, so may be we can keep that a part of core duty | 20:41 |
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| nikhil_k | jokke_: it's public, I think | 20:41 |
| nikhil_k | need to double check | 20:41 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: pretty sure anyone can join | 20:41 |
| nikhil_k | ok, so that will not work | 20:42 |
| jokke_ | it's great that we pay attention to BP's and specs and gate, but we have again 260 bugs logged only against glance and there is no noise about it outside the odd bug days | 20:42 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: agreed | 20:42 |
| nikhil_k | let's make cores do it | 20:42 |
| nikhil_k | that kinda makes sense as these people are aware about the project overall | 20:43 |
| hemanthm | how many active cores do we have? | 20:43 |
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| nikhil_k | 4-5 maybe atm, not sure as the term "active" is rather hard to define ;) | 20:43 |
| kragniz | hemanthm: well we have one nikhil_k at this meeting! | 20:43 |
| nikhil_k | so, that's my disappointment | 20:44 |
| jokke_ | imho it's not acceptable that we have 111 new bugs and I think even more that has no priority set | 20:44 |
| nikhil_k | no cores available to guide the meeting | 20:44 |
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| hemanthm | precisely my point. We are pushing more responsibility to cores but we don't have too many of them active | 20:44 |
| hemanthm | no disrespect here | 20:44 |
| nikhil_k | what do you propose hemanthm ? | 20:44 |
| nikhil_k | I was a bit hesistent to create another team | 20:45 |
| nikhil_k | as we already have, cores, bug team, glance drivers, glance_store cores! | 20:45 |
| nikhil_k | just keeps getting complicated | 20:45 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: is this now for what? | 20:45 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: did not get you there | 20:46 |
| nikhil_k | we may be running out of time here | 20:46 |
| nikhil_k | so, I propose the following | 20:46 |
| jokke_ | nikhil_k: for what action you're referring with "I was a bit hesistent to create another team" | 20:46 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think we're stuck on the how, maybe take this to the ML? | 20:47 |
| hemanthm | not sure I have a good suggestion. But, what privileges do we need for the people in bug team? | 20:47 |
| abhishekk | in summit, we had a discussion in contributors meetup to check active cores | 20:47 |
| nikhil_k | ML is getting a bit crowded these days ;) | 20:47 |
| abhishekk | jokke_: remember? | 20:47 |
| nikhil_k | #topic feedback | 20:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "feedback (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 20:48 | |
| nikhil_k | how about each one of you please send me your feedback on the following? | 20:48 |
| jokke_ | hemanthm: there is Glance Bug Team in the launchpad and those people are the only ones who can do stuff like set priority, close bug as "Won't fix" etc | 20:48 |
| nikhil_k | 1. bug team ideology | 20:48 |
| nikhil_k | 2. summit feedback | 20:48 |
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| nikhil_k | 3. review guidelines (if you did not get a chance today) | 20:49 |
| nikhil_k | 4. anything else | 20:49 |
| nikhil_k | and we can keep the rest of the 10 mins for the few items on the agenda list | 20:49 |
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| kragniz | nikhil_k: sounds good | 20:49 |
| hemanthm | nikhil_k: sure | 20:49 |
| nikhil_k | thanks! | 20:50 |
| nikhil_k | #topic #openstack-glance IRC channel logging | 20:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "#openstack-glance IRC channel logging (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 20:50 | |
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| nikhil_k | kragniz: was that you? | 20:50 |
| kragniz | does anyone have any objections to having #openstack-glance logged? | 20:50 |
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| jokke_ | o/ | 20:50 |
| nikhil_k | we may want to discuss that with the infra team | 20:50 |
| kragniz | there have been a couple of times when it would have been useful to point someone at the logs | 20:51 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: I already have, the patch is very easy | 20:51 |
| jokke_ | I do not want it to be publicly logged ... if you want to have logs out of it, have your client sitting there and logging it for you | 20:51 |
| nikhil_k | okay cool | 20:51 |
| nikhil_k | jokke_: yeah, good point. | 20:51 |
| mfedosin | we have our own bouncer ant it's alright | 20:51 |
| kragniz | jokke_: okay | 20:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | it might make sense to make an FAQ out of stuff we'd otherwise use logs for | 20:52 |
| nikhil_k | However, freenode prolly means that you need to watch the language | 20:52 |
| jokke_ | I tend to do stuff like popping my e-mail address there and that will be flooded with spam if it gets indexed by some spambot | 20:52 |
| nikhil_k | makes sense | 20:52 |
| kragniz | jokke_: having those logs on http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/ would have been nice a while back | 20:52 |
| kragniz | jokke_: but it doesn't really matter that much | 20:52 |
| kragniz | so let's not log, then | 20:53 |
| kragniz | let's move on, since we're low on time | 20:53 |
| nikhil_k | cool. yes, let's NOT log seems to be the direction (just in case) | 20:53 |
| nikhil_k | #topic bug/1387973 | 20:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug/1387973 (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 20:54 | |
| nikhil_k | abhishekk: please go ahead | 20:54 |
| abhishekk | nikhil_k: I am ok with your approach | 20:54 |
| nikhil_k | yt | 20:54 |
| abhishekk | i have submitted patch against stable/juno | 20:54 |
| nikhil_k | ok, cool. so, we can wait until next week and see what happens | 20:55 |
| abhishekk | i hope will get positive response | 20:55 |
| nikhil_k | should we move on? | 20:55 |
| abhishekk | sure | 20:55 |
| nikhil_k | #topic Multiple sort keys | 20:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Multiple sort keys (Meeting topic: Glance)" | 20:55 | |
| nikhil_k | who proposed this topic | 20:55 |
| nikhil_k | ? | 20:55 |
| mfedosin | okay, it's mine | 20:55 |
| mfedosin | excuse me, I'm not a native speaker, so I can't type very fast, but I'll try my best | 20:55 |
| mfedosin | There is an old bug | 20:56 |
| mfedosin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1221274 | 20:56 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1221274 in glance "allow sorting with more than one field" [Undecided,In progress] | 20:56 |
| mfedosin | as for me it's a feature :) | 20:56 |
| jokke_ | +1 | 20:56 |
| hemanthm | +1 | 20:56 |
| mfedosin | some guy wants an ability to sort image list output with multiple keys | 20:56 |
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| mfedosin | I implemented these features both in v1 and v2, but then cores said me that v1 is will be soon deprecated and I removed this part of code | 20:57 |
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| nikhil_k | mfedosin: okay, then a spec ? we can discuss further there | 20:57 |
| jokke_ | sounds like that's something the bug team should have prioritized as "Wishlist" | 20:57 |
| mfedosin | So, v2 is here and I want to ask you: do we need this feature in Glance? And if yes, then do we need it for task and metadefs (the last one is not my own private main, but I'm just interested) | 20:57 |
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| mfedosin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120727/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120777/ | 20:57 |
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| mfedosin | The patch doesn't break backward compatibility, so, previous requests stay the same, but now it supports csv keys (owner, size for example) Glance client has support too and there is a normal test suit | 20:58 |
| mfedosin | review it please :) | 20:58 |
| mfedosin | I'm done here | 20:58 |
| nikhil_k | sounds like we need some reviews on that soon | 20:59 |
| nikhil_k | we'd talk a bit more about it later | 20:59 |
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| mfedosin | okay, thanks! | 20:59 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: we will have to discuss your item on the regular channel | 20:59 |
| nikhil_k | sorry about that | 20:59 |
| kragniz | poor sigmavirus24 has had to sit though the whole meeting for this! | 20:59 |
| sigmavirus24 | lol | 20:59 |
| sigmavirus24 | it's okay. i joined the bug team | 20:59 |
| sigmavirus24 | so i have that going for me | 20:59 |
| kragniz | sigmavirus24: heh | 21:00 |
| jokke_ | ok back to openstack-glance | 21:00 |
| nikhil_k | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 13 21:00:05 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-11-13-20.03.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-11-13-20.03.txt | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance/2014/glance.2014-11-13-20.03.log.html | 21:00 |
| nikhil_k | Thanks all! | 21:00 |
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| ameade | nikhil_k: whoops, guess i was an hour off | 21:01 |
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| nikhil_k | ameade: heh, yes | 21:01 |
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| ameade | nikhil_k: updating calendar to utc | 21:01 |
| nikhil_k | we'r over at the regular channel though, if you'd something | 21:01 |
| nikhil_k | cool | 21:01 |
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| flwang1 | next meeting is still 2:00 UTC, is it? | 21:02 |
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| nikhil_k | flwang1: yes | 21:05 |
| flwang1 | nikhil_k: got , cheers | 21:05 |
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