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| dhellmann | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 1 16:00:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | who's around for the meeting today? | 16:00 |
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| harlowja_at_home | \o | 16:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:01 |
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| i159 | o/ | 16:01 |
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| kgiusti | o/ | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | maybe people still having turkey hangovers, lol | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | bnemec, dims, sileht, jd__: ping | 16:02 |
| jd__ | pong | 16:02 |
| dims | o/ | 16:02 |
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| dhellmann | ok, let's start | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:02 | |
| viktors | hi! | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #info dhellmann sign up as documentation liaison DONE | 16:03 |
| bnemec | o/ | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #info dhellmann make sure instructions for creating a new library are up to date with stable requirements jobs | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | We have started capping requirements in the stable branches, so I have a patch up to remove the stable requirements jobs from the Oslo libs now. | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/137451 | 16:03 |
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| harlowja_at_home | cool lets see how that goes | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | we've made the judgement call that we will have few enough stable branch releases that the unit tests are good enough to catch issues, but if that proves incorrect we can add these jobs back later | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | for now, removing the jobs should free up test resources | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | #info sileht talk to devstack team about updating to not install oslo from source in stable branches | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | sileht: do you have an update for us? | 16:05 |
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| zzzeek | \o | 16:05 |
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| dhellmann | that may be less important now, but I'll put it back on the list for us to review next week | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #action sileht talk to devstack team about updating to not install oslo from source in stable branches | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #topic tagging releases | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | We postponed the release actions from last week, until we could finish the stable branch version cap work. | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | Enough of that is done to let us proceed, so I'll restore the assignments from last week (stand by for paste bomb): | 16:06 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "tagging releases (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:06 | |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann to release cliff | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #action bnemec to release oslo.concurrency | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #action dims to release oslo.utils | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann to release oslo.config | 16:06 |
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| dhellmann | #action sileht to release oslo.messaging | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #action viktors to release oslo.db | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #action dims to release oslo.1i8n | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #action jd__ to release oslo.middleware | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann to release oslo.rootwrap (or talk to ttx about doing it) | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | #action bnemec to release oslo.serialization | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | #action dims to release oslo.vmware | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann to release oslosphinx | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann to release oslotest | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | #action harlowja to release taskflow | 16:07 |
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| dims | yes, sir! | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | we should try to prepare these releases today or tomorrow | 16:07 |
| bnemec | ack | 16:07 |
| * bnemec needs to finish reading through the release docs | 16:07 | |
| * dims too | 16:08 | |
| harlowja_at_home | sure | 16:08 |
| viktors | tomorrow looks ok | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | good point -- if you have any questions at all about the new tool or the process, let me know | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | it's fairly robust, so you're not likely to break anything by just running it, but don't hesitate to ask either | 16:08 |
| bnemec | Will do | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | there's a script to produce the release notes in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136401/ | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | I don't think that's mentioned in the instructions, yet, since it hasn't merged (hint, hint) | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann update release instructions after https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136401/ is merged | 16:10 |
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| dhellmann | I think that's all of the old business, unless anyone has questions about the release tools now? | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | we can come back to that during open discussion, then | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:11 |
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| dhellmann | are there any blockers or other issues from the liaison corps? | 16:11 |
| bnemec | Nothing that I'm aware of for tripleo. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | o/ Sorry I am late. | 16:12 |
| bknudson | none for keystone | 16:12 |
| bnemec | Although since I just got back from Thanksgiving I haven't caught up on everything yet. | 16:12 |
| i159 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93558/ here is one important | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Not that I am aware of from Cinder, behind after vacation though. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | bnemec: +1 | 16:12 |
| i159 | keystone related | 16:12 |
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| i159 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93558/ has strange gate problems but it has uncovered a bunch of db dugs | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | i159: are those job failures real, or was there some sort of issue with that keystone patch? | 16:13 |
| i159 | *bugs | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | #info keeping an eye on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/93558/ for the keystone team | 16:14 |
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| i159 | dhellmann: it works well lokally, but has problems with gates, I'm not sure is it really bug free now | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | i159: ok, let the oslo.db team know if you need a hand with debugging the failures. Maybe we can reproduce them on a clean test VM | 16:15 |
| i159 | It has became big bug fix chain again | 16:15 |
| viktors | i159: please ping me after the meeting, I have some ideas about that | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | viktors: thanks | 16:16 |
| i159 | hellmann: I'll be very grateful. Thanks! | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | are there any other issues to be addressed? | 16:16 |
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| dhellmann | ok, we'll see what happens after we cut all of the releases this week :-)_ | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | #topic Sprint planning | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sprint planning (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:17 | |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-kilo-sprint | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | Remember we're sprinting on the 4th. I think we're spread out enough that it's likely we will not all be online at the same time, so if it's the 4th wherever you are, start or finish without the rest of us as needed! | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | I noticed the infra team is using #openstack-sprint for coordinating, but I thought we'd just use #openstack-oslo since we're all usually there anyway | 16:18 |
| bnemec | +1 | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | between today and the 4th, it would be good to have all of the library leads look through the open reviews and identify any that need special priority attention. You can list those in the etherpad | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | Otherwise, I think we can just work our way through the backlog | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann announce sprint on the dev mailing list | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | questions or comments about the sprint? | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | cool, moving on then | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | #topic Spec reviews | 16:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Spec reviews (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:22 | |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack%2Foslo-specs+is:open,n,z | 16:22 |
| i159 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112842/ significant one | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131666/ has 2 +2 | 16:22 |
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| dhellmann | i159: yep, that's a big feature we've been trying to work on for a while | 16:23 |
| rpodolyaka1 | i159: on my list. will try to review yommorow | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | ditto | 16:23 |
| viktors | ditto | 16:23 |
| i159 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133668/ and about messaging | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | does anyone have any issues with merging 131666? | 16:24 |
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| i159 | Tipically I need more help than questions with #133668.... | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | i159: I need to make sure I understand how that one would interact with the async work going on. I'd also want sileht to sign off on it, since it's a rather large design change. | 16:25 |
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| dhellmann | I definitely need to re-read it | 16:25 |
| i159 | dhellmann: OK | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | the versioned objects spec looks ready to land: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127532/ | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann approve spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127532/ | 16:26 |
| bnemec | The code change for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131666 has already landed, so I think we might as well go ahead and merge the spec. :-) | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann approve spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131666/ | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | heh | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: that's actually an issue -- we need to stop approving code related to specs if the specs themselves haven't been approved | 16:27 |
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| bnemec | Yeah | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132551/ is the app-agnostic-logging spec from last cycle. It has 1 +2, and it looks like I owe bnemec a response there | 16:27 |
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| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124847/ is the spec for removing the context adapter from oslo.log | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | that's another one we restored from juno | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann approve spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124847/ | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | #info I'll approve all of those tomorrow unless someone objects today. | 16:29 |
| bnemec | Yeah, looks like jd__ had previously +2'd that one too. | 16:29 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I think I lost that when I rebased | 16:29 |
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| dhellmann | one thing to note related to blueprints: ttx turned on the "autokicker" to remove blueprints from the kilo release or any kilo milestone if they are not marked as approved with a valid priority | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | that will help us keep our progress reports clean, but it means we can't toss things into the milestones that we think we might want to work on before they are approved | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | when we talked last week, there were no blueprints at risk of being kicked out, but there were a few with the "kilo" series goal that were updated when the script ran | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | #topic Stable maintenance liaison | 16:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable maintenance liaison (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:33 | |
| dhellmann | We still need a volunteer for this duty. | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-November/050390.html | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | The volunteer does not have to be an oslo-core member, since the responsibilities are really limited to the stable branches. | 16:33 |
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| dhellmann | Would anyone like to get involved in the stable release management? | 16:33 |
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| dhellmann | stable maint for oslo libs is going to be more important now that we're graduating the code from the incubator, so we need to find someone to do this. :-/ | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | maybe we can find some help from one of the distros | 16:35 |
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| dhellmann | #topic Ongoing work & Review priorities | 16:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ongoing work & Review priorities (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:36 | |
| dhellmann | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/next-kilo | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/kilo-1 | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | Is anyone blocked on work we prioritized for this release? | 16:36 |
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| bnemec | Oh, I need to revisit the concurrency deletion from incubator. :-/ | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | we can use https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/next-kilo to get priorities for some of the reviews for this week, but I do want us to focus on clearing out the backlog of really old stuff, too | 16:38 |
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| dhellmann | we're just a few weeks out from kilo-1 at this point (december 18) so if you have a blueprint that you think won't land please re-target it for a later milestone | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 16:40 |
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| dhellmann | that's all I had for the formal agenda this week, does anyone have anything else to bring up? | 16:40 |
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| dhellmann | I'm working on moving a lot of our "creating a new library" document into the infra manual so it is in a place where it's more likely they will help maintain it as infra processes change: https://review.openstack.org/138094 | 16:42 |
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| dhellmann | well, it seems we don't have anything else to discuss, so we can cut the meeting short | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | thanks for coming everyone | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 16:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 1 16:44:07 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-12-01-16.00.html | 16:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-12-01-16.00.txt | 16:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2014/oslo.2014-12-01-16.00.log.html | 16:44 |
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| hogepodge | refstack meeting? | 19:02 |
| hogepodge | davidlenwell has the flu today, so I'll start things up if there aren't any objections to that | 19:02 |
| catherind_d | ok | 19:03 |
| hogepodge | #startmeeting refstack | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 1 19:03:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hogepodge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:03 |
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| hogepodge | #topic refstack in openstack namespace | 19:03 |
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| hogepodge | (I guess I should have done attendance first... who's here?) | 19:04 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 19:04 |
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| catherind_d | o/ | 19:04 |
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| hogepodge | Hmm. Small turnout. | 19:05 |
| hogepodge | I'll give it a few minutes. | 19:06 |
| catherind_d | last week only David, Sergey and myself ... People may still be on vacation ... | 19:06 |
| hogepodge | I guess so. Let's make sure we publicize for next week. I have a pretty long list of agenda items, but don't want to discuss in a vaccuum. | 19:07 |
| catherind_d | agree | 19:07 |
| hogepodge | I took a look at the refstack server last week to get a sense of what we need to do to host in in the openstack namespace. | 19:08 |
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| hogepodge | It is not in a place where we can do that. | 19:08 |
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| hogepodge | Broken links in the interface, no clear documentation on the api and how to use it. We have to take care of UI and API before we can begin to think about officially hosting it. | 19:09 |
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| hogepodge | So we can talk about that next week. | 19:09 |
| catherind_d | agree ... Let's work through the items | 19:09 |
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| catherind_d | ok | 19:09 |
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| hogepodge | #topic code reviews | 19:10 |
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| hogepodge | The back log isn't too big, and I went and made comments on a lot of outstanding requests. | 19:10 |
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| catherind_d | at the minimum ... vendor should be bringing up a refstack server sample in their environment | 19:10 |
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| hogepodge | #topic refstack hosting (switching back, I'm new to this meeting stuff) :-0 | 19:11 |
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| hogepodge | catherind_d It's not too hard to stand it up. I just don't know what to do with if after it's up. | 19:11 |
| catherind_d | I saw you review Sergey's output patch ... we need to have the server to host his page at least on premise .. | 19:12 |
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| catherind_d | agree it is not hard to bring up the server we have done that ... important is the contents .. broken links etc ... | 19:12 |
| catherind_d | What I mean is to bring up a functional refstack server .. | 19:13 |
| hogepodge | yes. | 19:13 |
| hogepodge | I know it's the holidays, but I feel a sense of urgency about this. I really want us to be able to collect results as soon as possible. | 19:14 |
| catherind_d | Let's discuss the work items next week (hosting API is the top , rendering the json file (havana, Icehouse ..) is next | 19:14 |
| catherind_d | hogepodge: ++1 | 19:15 |
| hogepodge | yeah, that sounds good to me | 19:15 |
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| hogepodge | move on? | 19:15 |
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| catherind_d | sure | 19:15 |
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| hogepodge | #topic code reviews | 19:15 |
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| hogepodge | Feel like this review, which updates tox, should be pretty easy to review and possibly merge. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118839/1 | 19:16 |
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| hogepodge | A couple of reviews feel stale. Is there auto abandon in our project? Manual abandon? Not sure what to do about these. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110399/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104908/ | 19:18 |
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| catherind_d | For this one, I am not sure how refstack code work with py34,,, | 19:18 |
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| catherind_d | refstack code did not pass py33 for a long time .... | 19:19 |
| hogepodge | ok, that's good to know | 19:20 |
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| hogepodge | I'm running refstack on trusty which ships with 3.4, so I can give it a try. | 19:21 |
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| hogepodge | what were the 33 problems? | 19:21 |
| catherind_d | I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110399/ should be adandon. We need Rob to -1 it ... We agree that Rob will review all that is defcore releated patches | 19:21 |
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| catherind_d | did not remember .. but I thibk Sergey was the one who fixed it... | 19:22 |
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| catherind_d | Let's ask Sergey to review this one also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110399/ | 19:23 |
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| hogepodge | ok | 19:24 |
| hogepodge | I have other notes, but they can wait until there are more folks around. | 19:25 |
| hogepodge | any other topics? | 19:25 |
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| catherind_d | glad to see you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/129320/ ... with fresh eyes ... I have reviewed/commented this patches many times ... glad to see the new comments | 19:27 |
| catherind_d | once Sergey makes the update per your comments ... It is ready to merge ... and we need the refstack server to render it | 19:27 |
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| hogepodge | It's how I start to understand the code more. | 19:28 |
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| hogepodge | what's Sergey's irc nick? | 19:28 |
| catherind_d | no other topics from me ... I am reviewing the JSON file by comparing the different OpenStack release JSON file ... may take a few days | 19:28 |
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| hogepodge | thanks catherind_d | 19:29 |
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| hogepodge | #endmeeting | 19:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 1 19:29:31 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-12-01-19.03.html | 19:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-12-01-19.03.txt | 19:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2014/refstack.2014-12-01-19.03.log.html | 19:29 |
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| catherind_d | Sergey's nick on IRC --> sslypush1nko | 19:30 |
| catherind_d | bye now ... let have more discussion next week | 19:31 |
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| hogepodge | happy week to you! | 19:32 |
| hogepodge | hope you had a fantastic holiday | 19:32 |
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| jaosorior | yo | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 1 20:00:21 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
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| tkelsey | o/ | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:00 |
| woodster_ | 0/ | 20:00 |
| atiwari | o/ | 20:00 |
| chellygel | ^( ^___^ )> | 20:00 |
| jvrbanac | _o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | jvrbanac you're alive! | 20:01 |
| jvrbanac | redrobot, yes | 20:01 |
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| jaosorior | o/ | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | awesome, lots of barbicaneers today | 20:01 |
| redrobot | as usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:01 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | #topic Kilo Blueprints | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | I'm not sure who added this topic, but I agree | 20:02 |
| woodster_ | I added it | 20:02 |
| redrobot | I think we need to get some BPs approved soon | 20:02 |
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| woodster_ | Just curious if a video mini-meetup could help with the review proces | 20:02 |
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| jaosorior | that would be a good idea, probably will speed things up | 20:03 |
| woodster_ | some of these BPs are heavy | 20:03 |
| hyakuhei | o/ - sorry I'm late | 20:03 |
| atiwari | woodster_, +1 | 20:03 |
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| alee | woodster_, +1 | 20:04 |
| redrobot | I think that is something we would want to do this week. | 20:04 |
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| woodster_ | hyakuhei, we were just talking about maybe having a video meeting to review some of the bigger blueprints out there | 20:04 |
| redrobot | with the holidays around the corner, I'm concerned that BPs are going to slip into next year | 20:04 |
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| hyakuhei | oh cool, that'd be a nice way to tie things up before the holidays | 20:04 |
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| jaosorior | redrobot: I can see that happening :/ | 20:05 |
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| alee | woodster_, yup - I'd like to get through the BP's before the holidays. | 20:05 |
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| alee | later this week? | 20:06 |
| redrobot | Kilo Milestone 1 is coming up in about two weeks | 20:06 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 20:06 |
| jaosorior | for me, the earlier the better | 20:06 |
| redrobot | and as of now, we don't actually have any code for the milestone | 20:06 |
| jaosorior | or beginning of next week | 20:06 |
| redrobot | #link https://launchpad.net/barbican/+milestone/kilo-1 | 20:06 |
| hockeynut | SSL (sorry so late) - starbucks wifi was acting up | 20:07 |
| alee | redrobot, do we have goals for the milestone? | 20:07 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: maybe because Juno's code was so good? | 20:07 |
| redrobot | alee I would have liked to see at least _some_ blueprints land | 20:07 |
| redrobot | woodster_ lol | 20:07 |
| alee | redrobot, so can we set up a video conference for later this week? | 20:08 |
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| jaosorior | what about Monday next week? :D | 20:08 |
| redrobot | alee yes, I think early AM in CST would be ok for our folks across the pond? | 20:08 |
| woodster_ | google hangouts perhaps? | 20:08 |
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| jaosorior | or if it's in the morning in the US, then it could work | 20:09 |
| jaosorior | this week | 20:09 |
| hyakuhei | Would BP's be useful for plugins too ? We've been building a KMIP secret store that is similar to the MKEK PKCS8 plugin | 20:10 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 20:10 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei yes, a BP would be the first step for adding a new plugin | 20:11 |
| hyakuhei | ok, we'll get that written up | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | jaosorior how does 4pm UTC sound for you? | 20:13 |
| redrobot | I'm thinking Wednesday morning | 20:13 |
| redrobot | to give people a chance to catch up on BPs today and tomorrow? | 20:13 |
| redrobot | #link http://time.is/1000AM_3_Dec_2014_in_CST/EST/UTC | 20:13 |
| jaosorior | just one hour earlier would fit perfectly for me | 20:14 |
| redrobot | jaosorior that cuts into my sleeping time, but I think it would work | 20:14 |
| redrobot | #link http://time.is/900AM_3_Dec_2014_in_CST/EST/UTC/London | 20:14 |
| woodster_ | I'll have to miss the first part of that meeting if at 9am | 20:14 |
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| hockeynut | ^ ditto ^ | 20:15 |
| rm_work | redrobot: would you want my Castellan Certificate handling BP in by then? or are you really just referring to the Barbican stuff that's in the backlog now | 20:15 |
| jaosorior | oh :/ | 20:15 |
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| jaosorior | My last bus out of the office leaves at 4pm UTC, that's why I said it would fit nicely | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | rm_work just barbican stuff. Castellan is still waiting to be created... | 20:16 |
| rm_work | kk :) | 20:16 |
| alee | redrobot, there are something like 16 specs that are out there right now - that will make for a pretty long meeting. | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | alee I don't think we'd want to cover everything... maybe just timebox it? Or pick the ones that have the most disagreement | 20:17 |
| redrobot | woodster_ hockeynut is 9am doable another day? Maybe Thursday? | 20:18 |
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| atiwari | redrobot, can somebody please update the video meeting details on our meeting page? | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | atiwari sure thing, as soon as we figure it out I'll add it to the meeting page | 20:18 |
| hockeynut | thurs is ok for me. driving down to Castle tomorrow, won't be there before 9:30 | 20:18 |
| woodster_ | thurs works for me too | 20:19 |
| jaosorior | same here | 20:19 |
| alee | me too. | 20:19 |
| redrobot | hockeynut I was proposing 9am for wednesday. Tomorrow is no good for me either. | 20:19 |
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| redrobot | but it seems Thursday will work for everyone... | 20:19 |
| hockeynut | redrobot thurs is still better for me :-) | 20:20 |
| redrobot | I really would like to see some movement in the BPs before then though | 20:20 |
| redrobot | ie, I don't want everyone to just wait til Thursday to go look at them :) | 20:20 |
| alee | redrobot, it would be nice if we identified a list of BPs we were going to look at. that way we can get folks to look at them before thurs. | 20:21 |
| atiwari | alee, are we going to hash out all BPs in one day? | 20:21 |
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| alee | atiwari, I think thats unlikely | 20:21 |
| redrobot | alee surely. I'll be cleaning up https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican because it's a mess right now | 20:21 |
| atiwari | alee, +1 | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | alee I think we can go down the list by priority? ... once I clean that up that is. | 20:22 |
| alee | redrobot, we may need a couple of these meetings. maybe one this week and one the next. but by priority sounds fine by me. | 20:22 |
| atiwari | in that case I think we should prioritize and add the BP link in the meeting page along with details? | 20:22 |
| jaosorior | +1 for having it prioritized | 20:22 |
| atiwari | +1 redrobot | 20:22 |
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| redrobot | #action redrobot to clean launchpad blueprint page | 20:23 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to fill in details of Google hangout on Wiki | 20:23 |
| redrobot | #agreed Google hangout will be Thursday 3pm UTC http://time.is/900AM_4_Dec_2014_in_CST/EST/UTC | 20:24 |
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| redrobot | I think that wraps up this topic | 20:25 |
| redrobot | And I don't have anything else on the agenda. | 20:25 |
| redrobot | Does anyone have anything they would like to discuss? | 20:25 |
| redrobot | Maybe clear up questions about BPs? | 20:25 |
| kaitlin-farr | Do we know when the mid-cycle meetup will be? | 20:25 |
| jaosorior | aaah, true that | 20:25 |
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| redrobot | #topic Mid-cycle meetup | 20:25 |
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| redrobot | I'm still trying to figure out the details | 20:26 |
| jaosorior | Are we still gonna try to do it somewhat aligned to Keystone and OSSG? | 20:26 |
| redrobot | Keystone is having their meetup in San Antonio in the middle of January | 20:26 |
| redrobot | OSSG wants to have theirs in the bay area in mid-February | 20:26 |
| jaosorior | ah damn | 20:27 |
| jaosorior | well... If we do it in SAT, would it be possible for OSSG to reconsider? | 20:27 |
| redrobot | last OSSG meeting I went to everyone was pretty much set on SF | 20:27 |
| redrobot | I'm also waiting to hear about budget from the Rack... I don't know how many of us would make it out to SF if we were to have it there | 20:28 |
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| redrobot | kaitlin-farr I guess to answer your question, I would prefer mid-february. It would be right after Kilo-2 milestone | 20:29 |
| jaosorior | What days is the OSSG meeting? | 20:29 |
| kaitlin-farr | Ok, I had heard a rumor it might be mid-January, but mid-February works better for me at least, not sure about Nate | 20:29 |
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| woodster_ | March 5th is Kilo feature proposal freeze, so I think Feb is late to have a barbican mid cycle | 20:30 |
| redrobot | jaosorior they don't have a set date yet. I'm waiting to hear back from Geekdom SF about space availability. Dates will depend on that. | 20:30 |
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| hyakuhei | So, there was a lot of love for SF from OSSG and the Barbican folks that were at our meeting | 20:30 |
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| hyakuhei | Waiting for redrobot on availability :) | 20:30 |
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| hyakuhei | Because we had a fair number of people who wanted to attend both, butting OSSG up against Barbican made a bunch of sense | 20:30 |
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| hyakuhei | Especially for people outside the US | 20:31 |
| hyakuhei | but as always we are willing to bend to the will of the wider community | 20:31 |
| redrobot | I agree. I think we have more overlap between OSSG/Barbican than Keystone/Barbican | 20:31 |
| redrobot | woodster_ I would hope we have our features figured out before the mid-cycle. | 20:31 |
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| jaosorior | I agree with woodster_ that feb late, but whatever fits you guys | 20:32 |
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| alee | woodster_, I would hope that we end up using the midcycle to whip through implementation CR reviews .. in which case, feb may not be that late. | 20:33 |
| woodster_ | redrobot, yeah hopefully we'll be more hacking to make progress on features by then | 20:33 |
| woodster_ | alee, that's true | 20:33 |
| jaosorior | So SF it is? | 20:33 |
| alee | besides SF is cooler :) | 20:34 |
| jaosorior | for me it's the same thing, still a long ass trip :P, so whatever you guys prefer | 20:34 |
| redrobot | lol | 20:34 |
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| jaosorior | as long as you promise me excellent mexican food I'm happy haha | 20:34 |
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| jaosorior | (had to bring it up) | 20:34 |
| redrobot | for me it would be much easier in SA, since I don't have to ask for a budget to send a ton of folks away... but I think most people prefer SF | 20:34 |
| rm_work | hmm, easier to promise that in SA than SF I think <_< | 20:34 |
| alee | redrobot, woodster_ keystone tries to have their meeting early because they want to get changes in early so people can integrate with them. | 20:35 |
| alee | eventually we probably want to go to the same model - but we're not there yet | 20:35 |
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| woodster_ | alee, that makes sense | 20:35 |
| rm_work | I would like some of your changes to get in early so I can interface with them <_< | 20:35 |
| dg__ | alee +1 | 20:36 |
| alee | I have no preference either way on location - though I suspect SA will be easier on the budget. | 20:36 |
| alee | rm_work, me too :) | 20:36 |
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| jaosorior | Will it take you guys long to figure out the budget thing? Maybe that can be sorted out for next week (or something) and once that's done, then a decision can be made | 20:37 |
| redrobot | ok, I'll update you guys as soon as I hear back from Geekdom | 20:37 |
| hyakuhei | redrobot: me too please :) | 20:37 |
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| rm_work | good luck getting RS to commit to a budget this far ahead of time (or ever) :P | 20:38 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei for sure :) | 20:38 |
| woodster_ | I think those SF hotels are what stress out that budget :) All sharing a room is not an option... | 20:38 |
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| hyakuhei | Freemont has some very nicely priced hotels :P | 20:39 |
| redrobot | If we decide to do SF it will just mean some Barbicaneers will have to teleconference in | 20:39 |
| redrobot | maybe set up a Geekdom-to-Geekdom link :-O | 20:39 |
| dg__ | hyakuhei is that the place you've been complaining about the hotels for the last 3 years? | 20:39 |
| jaosorior | well, for the people not in SAT, how does things look for you? | 20:40 |
| kaitlin-farr | Ok, just to clarify, if the meeting is in SA, will it probably still be in mid-February, even if it doesn't line up with Keystone? | 20:40 |
| jaosorior | does it make any difference? (the place) | 20:40 |
| hyakuhei | kaitlin-farr: That's my understanding | 20:40 |
| hyakuhei | Either way the ambition is to have OSSG and Babrican run together | 20:40 |
| hyakuhei | and it's just nuts to try mixing three projects in | 20:41 |
| jaosorior | well... I don't think it's a bad idea to have the three consecuently | 20:41 |
| jaosorior | but I do think it's hard | 20:41 |
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| alee | hyakuhei, if thats the case, though - then it makes sense to have it with ossg -- which means sf, right? | 20:41 |
| hyakuhei | Especially hard for those of us with families etc who aren't based from the area | 20:41 |
| hyakuhei | alee: That's the preference | 20:42 |
| redrobot | kaitlin-farr yes, that's the plan so far | 20:42 |
| redrobot | alee hyakuhei +1 | 20:43 |
| kaitlin-farr | ok, thanks! I know it's all still tentative at this point, but it's helpful for planning | 20:43 |
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| redrobot | I should also point out that the mid-cycle is not mandatory. The TC has been discussing mid-cycles the last few weeks and they want to make sure that mid-cycles don't turn into mini-summits. | 20:45 |
| jaosorior | redrobot: then again, last one was extremely useful to get things done | 20:45 |
| hyakuhei | redrobot: Interesting, so from a cost pov I understand that | 20:45 |
| hyakuhei | but actually that's what they are (imho) and we (OSSG/Barbican/whoever) get a crap-tonne done | 20:45 |
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| redrobot | yeah, it's been interesting to watch the TC discussions about it. They're concerned that mid-cycles may be a symptom of bad Design Summits | 20:47 |
| hyakuhei | +1000 to that | 20:47 |
| hyakuhei | However, fixing the complete mess of the last design summit would be a good start to avoiding 'mini-summits' | 20:47 |
| redrobot | lol, I agree | 20:47 |
| hyakuhei | sorry, I get ranty past 8pm | 20:47 |
| redrobot | no prob... | 20:48 |
| redrobot | I think we've beaten this topic to death | 20:48 |
| rm_work | to be fair, there really isn't enough time during the actual Design Summits to get actual design/work done <_< so much presenting and such | 20:48 |
| redrobot | anything else that we want to discuss? | 20:48 |
| hyakuhei | Just a note to those who are interested in Ephemeral PKI stuff | 20:48 |
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| hyakuhei | We've named it "anchor" and it should be landing in stackforge this week | 20:49 |
| hyakuhei | That's all :) | 20:49 |
| redrobot | awesome, I think rm_work was looking for that | 20:49 |
| rm_work | thanks :) yeah | 20:50 |
| rm_work | I'll take a look | 20:50 |
| hyakuhei | We've got a few things to tidy up but we figured we get our laundry out in the open asap | 20:50 |
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| redrobot | cool | 20:51 |
| redrobot | I think we can call it a day | 20:51 |
| woodster_ | So I'm curious about the Kite project then...I meant to ask at the summit about it, but was constantly distracted :) | 20:51 |
| redrobot | thanks everyone for coming. See you all Thursday | 20:51 |
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| hyakuhei | Thanks | 20:51 |
| hyakuhei | woodster_: ping tkelsey re: kite | 20:51 |
| jaosorior | excellent | 20:51 |
| jaosorior | see ya people | 20:51 |
| woodster_ | hyakuhei, will do | 20:51 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:52 |
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