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| elmiko | sahara folks, meeting in openstack-meeting-3 | 14:02 |
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| aignatov | #openstack-metting-3 | 14:02 |
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| curtis | o/ | 14:04 |
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| curtis | no | 14:05 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 4 15:00:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:01 |
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| vponomaryov | hello | 15:01 |
| rushil | \o | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | wow small group today | 15:02 |
| bswartz | maybe the meeting will be quick | 15:02 |
| csaba | hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | although csaba has some agenda items so I hope he showsu p | 15:02 |
| bswartz | csaba: hi! | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dev status (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| vponomaryov | Dev status: | 15:03 |
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| vponomaryov | 1) Driver modes: | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/driver-modes | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/136714 | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | status: ready for review | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | 2) Network helpers | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/network-helper | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | interface: #link https://review.openstack.org/137760 | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | neutron implementation: #link https://review.openstack.org/136724 | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | status: ready for review | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | 3) Functional tests in manilaclient | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-manilaclient/+spec/functional-tests | 15:03 |
| lpabon | hi | 15:03 |
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| vponomaryov | gerrit: | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | #link https://review.openstack.org/137393 | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | #link https://review.openstack.org/138038 | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | status: work in progress | 15:04 |
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| vponomaryov | that the main | 15:04 |
| bswartz | okay cool | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | also we have additional driver in repo - GPFS | 15:04 |
| bswartz | yes I know about gpfs | 15:04 |
| bswartz | thanks for all the work that's gone into writing/reviewing that driver | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | oh and it looks like it got merged yesterday | 15:06 |
| bswartz | that's great news | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | that's the point =) | 15:06 |
| bswartz | congrats nilesh | 15:06 |
| csaba | +1 | 15:06 |
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| vponomaryov | also Nilesh provided good review on Huawei driver using expirience with his driver | 15:07 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: thanks for status update, I see some of those patches are in better shape now | 15:07 |
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| deepakcs | Hi all, joining late | 15:08 |
| bswartz | I will be out of office until Tuesday so my reviews will be less until then | 15:08 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:08 |
| csaba | hi deepakcs :) | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | #topic kilo-1 milestone | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "kilo-1 milestone (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:08 | |
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| bswartz | so we are 2 weeks away from kilo-1 | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | anything not currently in review probably won't get merged for kilo-1, unless it's small and easy | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | that's no big deal though, because kilo-1 is not a deadline for anything, it's just our first milestone | 15:09 |
| bswartz | I wanted to call attention to this though: | 15:09 |
| bswartz | #link https://launchpad.net/manila/+milestone/kilo-1 | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | we have LOTS of bugs and blueprints | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | we need to figure out what's in and what's out for kilo-1 and start retargetting | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | also, if there's anything someone wants to get into kilo-1 that's not on that page, it's urgent that we fix that | 15:10 |
| rushil | bswartz: Are we still working towards Non-VLAN Multitenancy on this list? | 15:11 |
| bswartz | rushil: no | 15:11 |
| bswartz | unfortunately there's some old stuff left over because I haven't cleaned up this list | 15:11 |
| bswartz | that was sort of the point of this agenda item | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | we've been adding stuff and not cleaning up, which is my fault | 15:11 |
| bswartz | expect to see stuff get pushed out and retargetted | 15:12 |
| bswartz | if you disagree with any changes please raise the issue with me | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | any questions or things to add right now? | 15:13 |
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| lpabon | all good | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | cool | 15:13 |
| bswartz | #topic resolving a name clash | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | csaba: you're up | 15:13 |
| csaba | bswartz: thx | 15:14 |
| bswartz | I'm a bit unclear on what this topic is... | 15:14 |
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| csaba | so, again congrats to Nilesh for getting GPFS in ! | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | ah, now I see the clash | 15:14 |
| csaba | however, with this I found a name clash with config var naming | 15:14 |
| nileshb | Good to see GPFS manila driver making it to the list :) | 15:14 |
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| deepakcs | congrats nileshb | 15:15 |
| rushil | congrats nileshb | 15:15 |
| csaba | we are working the Ganesha framework and we use the config var 'ganesha_config_path' -- just as GPFS does, given that code also includes Ganesha tooling | 15:15 |
| bswartz | ok | 15:16 |
| csaba | so some renaming should occur in order to be able to get both code pieces in tree | 15:16 |
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| vponomaryov | csaba: reuse? | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | well, if it's a config option for the driver only, it's should be possible to reuse it | 15:16 |
| bswartz | as long as the documentation for both options is the same | 15:16 |
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| csaba | vponomaryov: and what about multi-driver setup? | 15:17 |
| bswartz | if we do that, then the config option should be moved out of both drivers into a common place | 15:17 |
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| vponomaryov | csaba: what problem do you mean using multi-driver setup? | 15:17 |
| bswartz | csaba: each driver in a multi driver setup gets its own instances of config vars | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: config group provide enough isolation | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | the only thing that would prevent sharing of the config option is if it meant very different things for each driver and the documentation could not agree | 15:18 |
| csaba | vponomaryov: that sounds good then | 15:18 |
| csaba | then it's just a technical problem | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: just stop using DEFAULT group for everything and use separated groups | 15:18 |
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| csaba | OK so technically the problem is that both options live in DEFAULT? | 15:18 |
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| vponomaryov | csaba: this is the only possible way to get a clash | 15:19 |
| csaba | semantically I can confirm there is no problem as it's used in the same sense in both places | 15:19 |
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| deepakcs | vponomaryov, nileshb i still feel that ganesh_config_path is more appropriate as gpfs_ganesha_path, until GPFS migrates to using common ganesha tooling | 15:19 |
| bswartz | csaba: if you've never done a multi backend/multi driver setup I'm sure we can help you with how to do it | 15:19 |
| lpabon | should there be a review of driver configurations that are in the DEFAULT section, and have them moved? | 15:20 |
| bswartz | deepakcs's point is the point we should be discussing here | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | lpabon: it is up to deployer | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | lpabon: nothing to code itself | 15:20 |
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| lpabon | vponomaryov: cool | 15:20 |
| nileshb_ | The Ganesha support added with GPFS driver is for Ganesha v1.5,2.0 | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | lpabon/csaba: you can look at examples for how cinder handles multi-backend if you want good documentation on this | 15:21 |
| nileshb_ | what csaba is developing is for ganesha v2.1+ | 15:21 |
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| nileshb_ | so both can co-exist | 15:21 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz,csaba: our tempest job has example | 15:21 |
| csaba | nileshb_: given we want a generic solution we plan to add support for 1.5/2.0 as well | 15:21 |
| deepakcs | nileshb_, but looking at the config var it should be clear to the dev which is driver specific and which is part of common, no ? | 15:21 |
| vponomaryov | http://logs.openstack.org/42/138242/5/check/gate-manila-tempest-dsvm-neutron-multibackend/c00c641/logs/etc/manila/manila.conf.txt.gz | 15:21 |
| bswartz | nileshb_: do you object to renaming ganesha_config_path to gpfs_ganesha_path as deepakcs suggests? | 15:21 |
| csaba | vponomaryov, bswartz : thanks, I'll check out | 15:21 |
| deepakcs | since the eventual plan is to have all drivers use the common tooling | 15:22 |
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| csaba | are there generic principles / guideline about variable scoping? | 15:22 |
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| csaba | or just "put to DEFAULT until conflict arises then move elsewhere?" | 15:22 |
| bswartz | the general principle is that anything driver specific should be prefixed with the name of the driver (or an abbreviation) | 15:23 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: I would reccomend to use config groups any time | 15:23 |
| nileshb_ | it is currently defined inside gpfs.py .. if we take it out GPFS can also re-use it | 15:23 |
| bswartz | however for stuff that can be shared, we should try to pick names that work for everyone and then share them | 15:23 |
| rushil | bswartz: +1 | 15:23 |
| vponomaryov | but I am agree, driver specific stuff should have prefix | 15:23 |
| nileshb_ | right .. thats why I do not want to add gpfs_ prefix to this common option | 15:24 |
| deepakcs | nileshb_, having gpfs specific path will aid in debug i hope, otherwise if its 1 var.. both gpfs and common tool use it.. i think it will cause amibuigity ? | 15:24 |
| csaba | nileshb_: but as long as we have two impementations we should be able to provide two different values simultaneously | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | deepakcs: ambiguity is okay as long as both drivers use the config option for the same purpose | 15:25 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: only for case, when ONE driver uses both | 15:25 |
| nileshb_ | we can probably use prefixes .. ganesha20_ and ganesha21_ | 15:25 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, but in the .conf for GPFS backend we use generic config option.. it feels like GPFS is using common ganesha, but in reality it doesnt | 15:25 |
| bswartz | documentation can clear up what limitations exist for GPFS or gluster -- I don't expect any problems in practice from 2 drivers using 1 option | 15:25 |
| csaba | nileshb_: version support is a moving point | 15:25 |
| csaba | it's implementational matter that should not be wired into config | 15:26 |
| bswartz | this option should not be set at the global level anyways, since only the drivers care about it | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: can you create doc with description of concern? | 15:26 |
| bswartz | gluster will have its instance of the config flag and gpfs will have another | 15:26 |
| nileshb_ | if we have a better implementation that works for GPFS as well, I am fine to drop mine | 15:26 |
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| deepakcs | bswartz, in a multi-backend scenario.. if one backend uses ganesha common tooling and another GPFS driver, both will have same config option for ganesha, no ? | 15:27 |
| bswartz | the main thing is to move the definition for that option out of the gpfs driver because drivers should not be referring to eachother | 15:27 |
| bswartz | deepakcs: yes, that's common and no big deal | 15:27 |
| bswartz | each driver will have it's own instance and its own value | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: one driver can not use opts from another driver | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | that's an easy thing to fix though | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | only move it out to common place | 15:28 |
| deepakcs | bswartz, reusing config var is fine...but here the 2 options land up in entirely diff code bases which isn't obvious from the var.. that was my concern, but I am fine, it others don't see it | 15:28 |
| csaba | nileshb_: btw afaics you _mostly_ adhere to prefixing your vars wtith gpfs_ -- why do you do otherwise in this case | 15:28 |
| bswartz | who will take the action to fix the code and move the driver to a place where it can be shared? | 15:28 |
| bswartz | s/driver/config option/ | 15:28 |
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| csaba | bswartz: we can do it but an agreement would be good to have beforehand whether to apply gpfs_ prefix | 15:29 |
| nileshb_ | csaba while your implementation is under review, can we move GPFS ganesha implementation to a common place? | 15:29 |
| bswartz | I think we're agreeing that it should NOT be prefix and therefore it should be moved | 15:29 |
| bswartz | prefixed | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | I've not heard a good argument for having 2 different copies of this config option | 15:30 |
| bswartz | there will be 1 option, both drivers can use it, and we just need to refactor the code to allow that | 15:31 |
| csaba | bswartz: you meant, "it should NOT be prefixless"? | 15:31 |
| nileshb_ | right, we do not need the common config options to be prefixed by driver specific names | 15:31 |
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| nileshb_ | each backend can have its own value associated with a config option | 15:31 |
| bswartz | I mean it should not be renamed, the current name (with no prefix) is fine | 15:31 |
| csaba | bswartz: OK | 15:32 |
| bswartz | then gluster can import the same option and use it however it likes and nothing bad will happen | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | agree with bswartz: move existing opt from driver module to common place and reuse it | 15:32 |
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| nileshb_ | even two backends using the same driver can have different values for the same config opt | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | without prefix | 15:32 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:32 |
| rushil | makes sense to move it into a common place, rather than adding the prefix | 15:32 |
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| csaba | bswartz: but the common place approach does not allow the two backends being used simultaneously | 15:33 |
| bswartz | csaba: I disagree | 15:33 |
| rushil | csaba: Why | 15:33 |
| rushil | ? | 15:33 |
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| bswartz | csaba: I think this whole issue comes from your misunderstanding of how config options work | 15:33 |
| xyang1_ | csaba: each backend can set the option to a unique value | 15:33 |
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| csaba | does common place allow to having it used in different sections? | 15:33 |
| bswartz | each driver will get its own instance of the shared config option | 15:33 |
| bswartz | yes, absolutely | 15:34 |
| csaba | bswartz: OK cool thanks for clarifying | 15:34 |
| csaba | this sounds to be then a correct approach | 15:34 |
| bswartz | if you need help with the implementation, I'm sure one of us can show you how to write the code and what to put in the config file | 15:34 |
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| nileshb_ | so shall I move ganesh_utils from ibm/ to common location? | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | nileshb_: talk to csaba and deepak to cooperate | 15:35 |
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| nileshb_ | vponomaryov: sure | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | nileshb_: just move the config flag from where it is to a common place | 15:35 |
| bswartz | don't move the implementation unless you plan to also share that with glusterfs driver | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | one config option can have 2 different implementations depending on which driver is using it | 15:36 |
| nileshb_ | ok, we will take it offline and come up with a plan | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | thanks | 15:36 |
| csaba | cool, thanks | 15:36 |
| bswartz | #topic git-review-branch | 15:36 |
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| csaba | I just coded up a little utility | 15:36 |
| csaba | and I'm sharing in the hope of other seeing it to be useful and getting feedback | 15:37 |
| csaba | #link https://github.com/csabahenk/git-review-branch | 15:37 |
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| csaba | it's point is to help reviews | 15:37 |
| csaba | basically it takes further what git review does | 15:38 |
| csaba | with: git review --compare <change>,<patchset>[,<patchset>] | 15:38 |
| bswartz | argh! why did you use ruby? | 15:38 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: so, this is offline tool to view diffs? | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | lol | 15:38 |
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| csaba | bswartz: I'm most comfortable with ruby, I use it for prototyping -- if there is reason to integrate can be rewritten in pythion | 15:39 |
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| csaba | vponomaryov: kind iof | 15:39 |
| bswartz | csaba: does this let me compute the diff between 2 patchets that are not related to rebasing against upstream? | 15:39 |
| bswartz | that's one thing I dislike about gerrit | 15:39 |
| lpabon | csaba: you should propose this to the git-review team (after changing it to python :-) ) | 15:39 |
| csaba | it builds a branch of all patchests that can be brought to a common base without conflict | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | when you do a rebase, reviewers can't tell if you made any changes not related to the rebase in that patchset | 15:40 |
| csaba | bswartz: it's in the scope of a single change | 15:40 |
| bswartz | lpabon: +1 | 15:40 |
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| clarkb | bswartz: git review supports that | 15:40 |
| bswartz | clarkb: it does? | 15:40 |
| csaba | lpabon: sure it's just a release ealry practice that I publish it on this forum | 15:40 |
| clarkb | yes... | 15:40 |
| bswartz | oh please tell me how | 15:40 |
| clarkb | I believe it is the -m option you provide it two patchsets | 15:41 |
| clarkb | by I don't seem to have the man page installed here. one sec | 15:41 |
| csaba | clarkb: -m is short for --compare | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | clarkb: is that something the web UI can do or is it a CLI only thing? | 15:42 |
| clarkb | bswartz: the web ui for gerrit does not do that | 15:42 |
| clarkb | git review -m changenumber,ps1-ps2 | 15:42 |
| csaba | clarkb: however that still brings in some junk | 15:42 |
| clarkb | csaba: it should not | 15:42 |
| bswartz | clarkb: thanks I will try that | 15:42 |
| clarkb | csaba: it should rebase them to a common HEAD then diff | 15:42 |
| deepakcs | clarkb, that gives u diff of 2 patchsets for the same change, right ? | 15:43 |
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| csaba | clarkb: see this for example: git review -m I6664054ba52d03814cea846cb0d79cd853632814,15-16 | 15:43 |
| deepakcs | clarkb, in which case, the GUI also does it! | 15:43 |
| bswartz | so csaba: how is your project different than git review -m? | 15:43 |
| clarkb | deepakcs: yes the difference is in cleaning out unrelated rebase data | 15:43 |
| deepakcs | but i thought bswartz wanted somethign different | 15:43 |
| clarkb | deepakcs: what the ui does not do is move both commits to a common head | 15:43 |
| clarkb | what I read bswartz as wanting is move to common head then calculate the diff | 15:44 |
| bswartz | I'm still not clear one what this new project does | 15:44 |
| csaba | bswartz: gives you a dedicated branch for the change where you can overview the whole patchset serires of the change and you can update it | 15:44 |
| bswartz | clarkb: yes | 15:44 |
| deepakcs | clarkb, ah ok, i need to check the cli then | 15:44 |
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| csaba | so "git review -m I6664054ba52d03814cea846cb0d79cd853632814,15-16" gives you a diff in contrib/tempest/tempest/cli/manilaclient.py | 15:44 |
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| csaba | which is junk | 15:45 |
| csaba | it's the gpfs change, and that did not muck with tempest for sure | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | okay | 15:46 |
| bswartz | well it sounds like both the existing CLI tool and your project are improvements over what I've been doing | 15:46 |
| clarkb | csaba: if --compare does not do what I describe in some cases I believe that would be a bug | 15:46 |
| csaba | my tool gives you clear diffs AFAI tested, and allows you to keep it around and update for an elongated review process | 15:46 |
| clarkb | csaba: and patches to git review are welcome | 15:46 |
| bswartz | csaba: I hope you keep working on making your tool better with a goal of making it part of the official tool eventually (or to fix bugs in the official tool if they exist) | 15:47 |
| bswartz | from what I'm hearing, there might just be a bug in how git review is handling your use case csaba | 15:47 |
| csaba | bswartz: yes so I pitch it here to see if anyone else would find this enhancement useful before gettting too far with it | 15:48 |
| bswartz | it definitely sounds useful -- I will have to try both options to see which is more useful | 15:48 |
| csaba | bswartz: apart from bugs, the permanence I provide is a feature that can be seen as useful | 15:48 |
| bswartz | csaba: are you open to using python instead of ruby? it sounds like that might be a sticking point if you ever want to integrate with the git-review project | 15:49 |
| csaba | bswartz: of course | 15:49 |
| bswartz | okay cool | 15:49 |
| csaba | it's not a big deal to do a python rewrite | 15:50 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | anyone have something else for today? | 15:50 |
| deepakcs | csaba, and when u do the rewrite, pls consider adding nice comments :) | 15:50 |
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| deepakcs | csaba, so that its easy for others to follow and review :) | 15:50 |
| nileshb_ | yes | 15:50 |
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| nileshb_ | I wanted to know if anyone has tried manila with docker | 15:50 |
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| nileshb_ | this came up in one of our internal discussions | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | I have not | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | what context were you thinking about though nileshb_? | 15:51 |
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| vponomaryov | nileshb_: I ddid not, but containers do not allow to use kernel based Apps such as NFS server daemon | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | running manila inside a docker instance, or using docker for "service VMs" behind manila? | 15:52 |
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| nileshb_ | vponomaryov: ok | 15:52 |
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| nileshb_ | vponomaryov: bug Ganesha NFS is user based | 15:52 |
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| mkoderer | bswartz: btw are you ok if I update the manila wiki with the discussed use-cases? | 15:52 |
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| nileshb_ | bswartz: using manila shared from docker containers | 15:53 |
| vponomaryov | nileshb_: so, it can be said, that docker is not applied for all cases | 15:53 |
| bswartz | We did spend a lot of time experimenting with linux container-based virtualization last year, and concluded that it was a nonstarter due to the lack of mature user-space NFS daemons | 15:53 |
| vponomaryov | s/applied/applyable/ | 15:53 |
| xyang8 | I tried to use nfs Ganesha with docker a while ago n | 15:53 |
| bswartz | that was before we knew about ganesha however, so I'm open to exploring that topic again | 15:53 |
| xyang8 | But had problems | 15:53 |
| nileshb_ | xyang8: great | 15:54 |
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| nileshb_ | I can also explore this thing | 15:54 |
| csaba | xyang8: it would be interesting to give a detailed account on that , somewher | 15:54 |
| xyang8 | I didn't proceed though | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | nileshb_: I would still have concerns about other things that remain in the kernel though | 15:54 |
| nileshb_ | like? | 15:55 |
| nileshb_ | we just need the NFS export to be mounted inside the docker container right? | 15:55 |
| bswartz | do linux containers allow each container to have a different timezone, DNS resolver, domain name, kerberos realm, etc? | 15:55 |
| nileshb_ | manila will run outside of the docker container | 15:55 |
| nileshb_ | I am not much familiar with lxc or docker .. need to explore these | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | As long as the container provides enough separation for everything that can affect the NFS client-server interaction, then it seems like a workable plan | 15:57 |
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| nileshb_ | there were some questions regarding networking | 15:57 |
| bswartz | just be on the lookout for stuff that's still shared due to the lack of full virtualization | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | and real quick, mkoderer: which wiki and what updates did you have in mind? | 15:58 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: mentioned in mail-list | 15:58 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/usecases | 15:59 |
| bswartz | oh yes | 15:59 |
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| mkoderer | bswartz: the one is outdated anyway :) | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | mkoderer: please update it | 15:59 |
| bswartz | the wikis are always out of date, sadly | 15:59 |
| mkoderer | ok | 15:59 |
| bswartz | at least they're easy to update | 15:59 |
| bswartz | we just have to remember to update them, then actually do it | 15:59 |
| bswartz | okay we're out of time | 16:00 |
| mkoderer | all right | 16:00 |
| bswartz | thanks all | 16:00 |
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| vponomaryov | thanks | 16:00 |
| xyang8 | Thanks | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 4 16:00:18 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-12-04-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-12-04-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2014/manila.2014-12-04-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| kozhukalov | hey guys | 16:06 |
| kozhukalov | sorry for delay | 16:06 |
| kozhukalov | ready for meeting& | 16:06 |
| kozhukalov | ready for meeting? | 16:06 |
| rvyalov | hi | 16:06 |
| prmtl | hey | 16:06 |
| kozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 4 16:06:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:06 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:06 |
| ikalnitsky | o/ | 16:06 |
| evgeniyl__ | hi | 16:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:06 |
| rvyalov | hi | 16:06 |
| kozhukalov | #chair kozhukalov | 16:07 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: kozhukalov | 16:07 |
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| kozhukalov | looks like we don't have formal agenda for this week | 16:07 |
| agordeev | hi | 16:07 |
| bpiotrowski | o/ | 16:07 |
| kozhukalov | let's just start open discussion | 16:07 |
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| kozhukalov | does anyone have any q? announcements? news? | 16:08 |
| aglarendil | we are working hard for 6.0 HCF right now | 16:08 |
| aglarendil | and hoping that we will announce it today | 16:08 |
| aglarendil | this seems to be the reason why everyone ignored the meeting | 16:08 |
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| kozhukalov | so, how about estimate? | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | aaa, ok | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | you said today | 16:09 |
| agordeev | regarding image-based provisioning. One new bug had been appeared with high priority. Will fix it ASAP, maybe today. Otherwise, no changes at all. | 16:09 |
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| kozhukalov | agordeev: could you please share a link? | 16:10 |
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| agordeev | kozhukalov: here it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1398207 | 16:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1398207 in fuel "Nodes go offline after reboot when using image-based provisioning" [High,Confirmed] | 16:11 |
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| dmitryme | re HCF we have a critical issue in Neutron and we hope to fix it today | 16:12 |
| akasatkin | do we have any estimates on dates for 6.1 ? | 16:12 |
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| kozhukalov | agordeev: is it clear how to fix it? | 16:12 |
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| kozhukalov | akasatkin: looks like we don't | 16:13 |
| agordeev | kozhukalov: yup. i'm closer to release the fix for it. | 16:13 |
| kozhukalov | guys, another announcement is | 16:13 |
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| rvyalov | At this week OSCI team had a retrospective meeting. Results will be tomorrow on our wiki page | 16:13 |
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| kozhukalov | we started to focus our efforts towards improving our build system | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | so, there is a spec | 16:14 |
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| kozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138994/ | 16:14 |
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| rvyalov | kozhukalov: build system - make system ? | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | please review it | 16:14 |
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| kozhukalov | rvyalov: yep, but we'd like to fully re-implement it | 16:15 |
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| kozhukalov | rvyalov: in plain Python | 16:15 |
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| rvyalov | you have a meenting about new build system ? | 16:16 |
| kozhukalov | yep, next week we gonna show POC | 16:17 |
| rvyalov | devops team wants to join discussion | 16:17 |
| rvyalov | and osci team too | 16:17 |
| kozhukalov | you are welcome | 16:17 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, looks like no one has anything to say | 16:20 |
| kozhukalov | closing? | 16:20 |
| mattymo | kozhukalov, thanks for hosting! | 16:20 |
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| adanin | I | 16:20 |
| adanin | I have | 16:20 |
| kozhukalov | thanx everyone for attending | 16:20 |
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| kozhukalov | adanin: great you have something to say | 16:21 |
| adanin | About Partner integration | 16:21 |
| adanin | Our status: 5.1.1 we have no bugs now. | 16:21 |
| adanin | Testing of RC#3 in progress. | 16:21 |
| adanin | Going to finish tomorrow evening. | 16:21 |
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| adanin | I mean VMWare features in MOS. | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | great | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | thanx a lot for status | 16:22 |
| adanin | About 6.0 | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | anybody else? | 16:22 |
| adanin | We have 1 High bug from Mellanox side. | 16:23 |
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| adanin | Estimates still unknown. | 16:23 |
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| adanin | That’s all I have. | 16:24 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, thanx again | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov | closing | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov | #endmeeting | 16:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 4 16:24:36 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-12-04-16.06.html | 16:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-12-04-16.06.txt | 16:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2014/fuel.2014-12-04-16.06.log.html | 16:24 |
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| tkelsey | #startmeeting openstack security group | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 4 17:00:14 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tkelsey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack security group)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 17:00 |
| tkelsey | Hello OSSG folks, I will be your host today (hyakuhei can’t make it and sends his apologies). | 17:00 |
| tkelsey | #topic rollcall | 17:00 |
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| sweston | o/ | 17:01 |
| elmiko | o/ | 17:01 |
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| sicarie | o/ | 17:01 |
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| tkelsey | hey sweston elmiko sicarie, just give a few mins for folks to join | 17:01 |
| elmiko | np | 17:01 |
| chair6 | \o | 17:01 |
| bpb_ | o/ | 17:01 |
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| sweston | tkelsey: of course | 17:02 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | o/ I'm kind of around but pretty much afk | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks tkelsey for chairing this! | 17:03 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: np | 17:03 |
| dg_ | go tkelsey! | 17:03 |
| tkelsey | dg_: heh :) | 17:04 |
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| tkelsey | ok, i think thats long enough for folks to join | 17:05 |
| tkelsey | #topic agenda | 17:05 |
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| tkelsey | so what do we want to talk about today then | 17:05 |
| tkelsey | I have a few things carried over from the last meeting (pre-thanks giving) | 17:05 |
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| tkelsey | anyone else got topics to discuss? | 17:06 |
| elmiko | i've got a question or two about documentation, but it's not huge | 17:06 |
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| dg_ | tkelsey someone mailed the list about change history for the secuirty guide, when to update the changelog in the front, etc | 17:06 |
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| tkelsey | elmiko, ok cool. Yeah dg_ security guide stuff is on the list | 17:07 |
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| tkelsey | right, lets start with barbican | 17:07 |
| tkelsey | #topic barbican | 17:08 |
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| tkelsey | so there is a patch to bump PyKMIP to 0.2.0 in the global reqs here, getting some traction | 17:08 |
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| tkelsey | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137016/ | 17:09 |
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| * bdpayne is here... sorry I'm a little late | 17:09 | |
| tkelsey | any other Barbican related topics people want to mention? do we have redrobot | 17:10 |
| tkelsey | hey bdpayne, hyakuhei asked me to chair the meeting this time | 17:10 |
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| bdpayne | cool, thanks for stepping up | 17:10 |
| tkelsey | bdpayne: my pleasure | 17:11 |
| tkelsey | ok so I guess thats it for Barbican stuff | 17:11 |
| tkelsey | #topic midterm | 17:12 |
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| ANIsh_ | what is midterm ? | 17:12 |
| tkelsey | so I dont have much to input on the midterm discussions, but I gather redrobot was going to find out about geekdom availability | 17:12 |
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| dg_ | ANIsh_ the midcycle OSSG meetup | 17:13 |
| bdpayne | that's what I recall as well | 17:13 |
| tkelsey | ANIsh_: midterm meet up | 17:13 |
| redrobot | tkelsey indeed... finally got a response from them last night, trying to work out the details now. | 17:13 |
| bdpayne | I guess we're waiting to hear on that before locking in dates? | 17:13 |
| ANIsh_ | ok does it happen over US | 17:13 |
| tkelsey | redrobot: awesome thanks :) | 17:13 |
| tkelsey | ANIsh_: yes its in the US | 17:13 |
| dg_ | current discussion is san antonio or san fran | 17:14 |
| ANIsh_ | ok | 17:15 |
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| tkelsey | yeah, I think SF got most of the votes last time we mentioned it | 17:16 |
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| tkelsey | anyway, lets let redrobot look over the details from geekdom and then revisit it next time | 17:16 |
| tkelsey | unless anyone wants to add anything now? | 17:16 |
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| tmcpeak | wow, blew right through my meeting reminder :) | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | hi folks | 17:17 |
| ANIsh_ | si the meetup can be attended remotely ? | 17:17 |
| tkelsey | heh hi tmcpeak | 17:17 |
| tkelsey | ANIsh_: no idea, I have actually never been to one | 17:18 |
| tkelsey | anyone else know about that sort of thing? | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | it would probably be pretty difficult | 17:18 |
| bdpayne | Re remote attendance... someone tried that last time and it didn't work too well | 17:19 |
| bdpayne | I'm not against the idea, but I'd suggest that it has limited utility | 17:19 |
| tkelsey | bdpayne: that makes sense, though of course people will be in the IRC room from time to time I would think | 17:20 |
| bdpayne | indeed | 17:20 |
| tkelsey | ok then, all happy to move on? | 17:21 |
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| bdpayne | sure! | 17:22 |
| tkelsey | ok, so next on my list is Anchor | 17:22 |
| tkelsey | #topic anchor | 17:22 |
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| tkelsey | anchor is the name for the Ephemera PKI now on stackforge | 17:22 |
| tkelsey | https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/projects/stackforge/anchor | 17:23 |
| tkelsey | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/projects/stackforge/anchor | 17:23 |
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| bdpayne | #link https://github.com/stackforge/anchor | 17:23 |
| tkelsey | this is the short lived certificate system that hyakuhei talked about during the Paris summit | 17:23 |
| tkelsey | it now has a name and a home, so anyone with an interest is welcome to check it out and leave bugs for us in LP | 17:24 |
| bdpayne | nice, glad to see this posted | 17:24 |
| bdpayne | what are the plans for this going forward? | 17:24 |
| elmiko | sounds cool | 17:24 |
| ANIsh_ | i will take a look | 17:25 |
| tkelsey | for those who did not get a chance to see the talk the vid can be found here ... | 17:25 |
| tkelsey | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf_YOzW7I3s | 17:25 |
| tkelsey | exciting times :) | 17:26 |
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| dg_ | bdpayne make it work well, test it, document it, etc. We will be looking to deploy this in production systems, and hopefully get this adopted(if that is the correct term?) | 17:26 |
| dg_ | if anyone wants to contribute, then feel free, it'd be really nice to have some non-hp effort working on this! | 17:26 |
| bdpayne | would be nice to see barbican integration (Anchor as a CA backend for Barbican) | 17:27 |
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| bdpayne | I'll check it out, I've been curious about how you guys are approaching this | 17:27 |
| tkelsey | bdpayne: I think there was some discussion of integration with Barbican in their last meeting | 17:27 |
| dg_ | I would have to have a think about that, I've been thinking about plugging Anchor into a HSM for key storage, but hadnt thought about plugging it into barbican. | 17:27 |
| redrobot | bdpayne +1 | 17:28 |
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| elmiko | in terms of helping out with anchor, is there a list of TODOs or something? | 17:29 |
| tkelsey | well we have a bunch of preliminary stuff to sort out to make the project more inline with openstack ways of doing stuff | 17:29 |
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| tkelsey | elmiko: we will be updating with TODOs and documentation | 17:30 |
| elmiko | tkelsey: awesome | 17:30 |
| tkelsey | #action tkelsey to add some TODOs for Anchor | 17:30 |
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| bdpayne | yeah, no need to redo all of that hsm work that's already in barbican | 17:31 |
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| tkelsey | bdpayne: +1 we dont wont to duplicate effort | 17:32 |
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| tkelsey | ok cool, so plenty of stuff will be happening with Anchor and it would be good to get input from people :) | 17:33 |
| tkelsey | moving on | 17:33 |
| tkelsey | #OSSA metrics calibration | 17:33 |
| tkelsey | nope | 17:33 |
| tkelsey | #topic OSSA metrics calibration | 17:33 |
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| tmcpeak | I tried running through one | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | DREAD is pretty subjective | 17:34 |
| tkelsey | so hyakuhei asked about this last meeting | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | it could be helpful to have more specific qualifications for each | 17:34 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: sure, i guess that why we need some good calibration examples for refferance | 17:34 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah, so for starters R and E could use some more distinction IMO | 17:35 |
| bdpayne | my take is that this stuff will always be subjective at some level | 17:35 |
| bdpayne | the idea is to try to reduce / minimize that | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, for sure | 17:35 |
| tkelsey | bdpayne: agreed | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | to be useful though, we should take away as much subjectivity as possible | 17:35 |
| bdpayne | I'd look for two things | 17:35 |
| bdpayne | 1) if two people review the same bug do they come up with the same score (or similar) | 17:36 |
| bdpayne | 2) do the scores that people come up with pass the "smell test" | 17:36 |
| bdpayne | that is... do they seem reasonable | 17:36 |
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| tmcpeak | sure | 17:36 |
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| tkelsey | bdpayne: sounds like good advice | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | well to that extent then, I'd be curious on other passes on this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1308727 | 17:37 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1308727 in horizon/icehouse "[OSSA 2014-023] XSS in Horizon Heat template - resource name (CVE-2014-3473)" [High,Fix released] | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | I did a pass, and came up with a score | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | I'd be curious what others come up with | 17:37 |
| bdpayne | yeah, perhaps we should have several people take a pass over a collection of 5-10 bugs | 17:37 |
| bdpayne | and then share the scores when everyone is done | 17:37 |
| tkelsey | bdpayne: +1 sounds like a good plan | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, that sounds good | 17:37 |
| bdpayne | I'd be happy to participate | 17:38 |
| dg_ | +1 | 17:38 |
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| bdpayne | perhaps someone else could put together the list of bugs to score? | 17:38 |
| tkelsey | bdpayne: thank you, anyone else like to take part | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | I'll play too, but I'm out for a couple of weeks | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | so might take me a while | 17:38 |
| dg_ | pull up a set of bugs, send it out to the mailing list with a lync to the dread info? | 17:38 |
| tkelsey | i'll join in the effort as well | 17:38 |
| tkelsey | dg_ good plan | 17:38 |
| bdpayne | yeah... I guess it could just be the last N OSSAs | 17:38 |
| dg_ | arghh broken autoscroll | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | that's one thing bdpayne: I actually had a hard time finding the last N OSSAs | 17:39 |
| dg_ | bdpayne yeh that would do the trick, no real need to cherry pick | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | is there a simple way to do it I'm missing? | 17:39 |
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| bdpayne | normally I'd just search my inbox | 17:40 |
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| tkelsey | dg_ ok, can you send out a message to the ML with links to the last 5 OSSAs and we can coordinate around that | 17:40 |
| dg_ | bdpayne I dont think that approach would scale... | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, that's what I did. I guess there isn't anything better? Would be nice to just hit a page and get them | 17:40 |
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| tkelsey | there may be a better way to do it, but for now a manual list should be fine right? | 17:41 |
| dg_ | so I would hope that there is a page, they talked about this in the VMT design session in paris, talking about having security.openstack as the destination to get stuff like this | 17:41 |
| bdpayne | yeah, I'm thinking that's not done yet | 17:42 |
| bdpayne | fyi https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/SecurityAdvisories/Icehouse | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | ok, as long as it wasn't me just being stupid :) | 17:42 |
| bdpayne | and so forth | 17:42 |
| tkelsey | heh, I guess have a dig around and find the last 5 | 17:43 |
| dg_ | ok, can we put the action to send out that list on soemone who has the list of the most recent OSSAs, or someone mail them to me and I'll write something up | 17:43 |
| tkelsey | dg_ can you take an action to do that please ? | 17:43 |
| dg_ | ahh there we go, thanks bdpayne | 17:43 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 17:43 |
| dg_ | tkelsey sure | 17:43 |
| tkelsey | #action dg_ to send a list of the last 5 OSSAs to the ML for calibration efforts | 17:44 |
| tkelsey | ok, quick show of hands, who wants to take part in scoring ? | 17:44 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | o\ | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | I mean o/ | 17:44 |
| tkelsey | lol :) | 17:44 |
| bdpayne | o/ | 17:44 |
| sweston | o/ | 17:45 |
| tkelsey | thanks guys, appreciated :) | 17:45 |
| tkelsey | ok next | 17:45 |
| tkelsey | #topic security guide | 17:46 |
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| tkelsey | elmiko: what did you want to being up? | 17:46 |
| elmiko | tkelsey: i'm working on a security guidelines document for the Sahara project | 17:46 |
| elmiko | and i'm looking for the OSSG guide sources for inspiration | 17:47 |
| bdpayne | will this be coding guidelines or ? | 17:47 |
| elmiko | not for content, but for a little guidance on the structure of our sources. | 17:47 |
| bdpayne | ahh, ok | 17:47 |
| elmiko | configuration guides | 17:47 |
| bdpayne | elmiko, I'd be happy to help you out | 17:47 |
| elmiko | i'm thinking we'd like to have something akin to what is currently produced, a PDF and online docs with the ability for the community to generate patches against the docs. | 17:48 |
| bdpayne | sources for the guide are here: https://github.com/openstack/security-doc/tree/master/security-guide | 17:48 |
| elmiko | bdpayne: awesome, thanks! | 17:48 |
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| Randy_Perryman | hello | 17:48 |
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| tkelsey | thanks bdpayne :) | 17:48 |
| bdpayne | so, that takes a while to achieve | 17:48 |
| bdpayne | you'd really want doc team support for that | 17:48 |
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| bdpayne | although, any reason you wouldn't just want this as part of the security guide? | 17:49 |
| elmiko | no specific reason, i think we were just considering starting small | 17:49 |
| elmiko | it would be awesome to have it part of the main doc though =) | 17:49 |
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| bdpayne | to be honest, it would be less work to join forces | 17:49 |
| bdpayne | otherwise you are reinventing lots of stuff | 17:49 |
| bdpayne | what is the status of the sahara project? | 17:50 |
| elmiko | sahara is integrated as of Juno | 17:50 |
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| bdpayne | ok cool | 17:50 |
| bdpayne | so we should be able to just make a chapter for it | 17:50 |
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| elmiko | that would be great | 17:50 |
| bdpayne | I'd suggest taking that approach | 17:50 |
| bdpayne | then you can also cross reference to other things in the book more easily | 17:50 |
| bdpayne | like... you want TLS... see Ch X | 17:50 |
| elmiko | exactly | 17:51 |
| bdpayne | so yeah, perhaps ping me and I can help you get started | 17:51 |
| tkelsey | yes, I was going to ask about TLS next, but i'll let you guys finish up first | 17:51 |
| bdpayne | would be good to start by filing some bugs for the work you have in mind | 17:51 |
| elmiko | so, i've started a blueprint in the sahara side of launchpad, would it be appropriate to continue with my spec and then attempt to bring things over to the OSSG doc? | 17:51 |
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| bdpayne | either way | 17:52 |
| tkelsey | ok, 10mins folks | 17:52 |
| chair6 | also on the security guide topic, i ran across some stale content the other day.. not sure if anyone else needs to know about it | 17:52 |
| bdpayne | when it comes time to do the actual writing / merging, I'd ask that you file bugs under https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals | 17:52 |
| dg_ | bdpayne have a minor TLS/secuirty guide point to cover too | 17:52 |
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| bdpayne | and then tag them as security guide bugs | 17:52 |
| chair6 | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1395974 | 17:52 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1395974 in openstack-manuals "OpenStack Security Guide Chapter number mismatch" [High,Triaged] | 17:52 |
| bdpayne | "sec-guide" is the correct tag | 17:52 |
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| elmiko | bdpayne: ok, i'll need time to study the doc/manuals stuff. | 17:52 |
| bdpayne | sure, np | 17:52 |
| bdpayne | poke me if you have questions... I'm usually in the openstack-security IRC channel | 17:53 |
| tkelsey | ok elmiko and bdpayne should talk more on this :) | 17:53 |
| elmiko | bdpayne: also, i imagine we will have more content as time goes on, we are just starting to improve security in sahara | 17:53 |
| elmiko | sounds like it =) | 17:53 |
| bdpayne | sure, sounds good | 17:53 |
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| tkelsey | in the last 5mins do we have any pressing issues to raise ? | 17:54 |
| bdpayne | chair6 what's the question on that bug? | 17:54 |
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| bdpayne | dg_ perhaps we could chat about your point in the security channel after this meeting? | 17:54 |
| chair6 | looks like it's being actioned, but just wanted to make sure it's "known about" | 17:55 |
| bdpayne | ah, yes, it is | 17:55 |
| bdpayne | thanks | 17:55 |
| tkelsey | chair6: good stuff | 17:55 |
| tkelsey | thanks | 17:55 |
| dg_ | bdpayne sounds good | 17:55 |
| tkelsey | ok so unless we have anything else pressing lets talk about OSSNs | 17:55 |
| tkelsey | #topic OSSNs | 17:56 |
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| tkelsey | so who has outstanding OSSNs in review ? | 17:56 |
| tkelsey | please add links here so others can go review them :) | 17:56 |
| bdpayne | looks like there are 2 | 17:56 |
| bdpayne | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136203/ | 17:57 |
| bdpayne | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128636/ | 17:57 |
| sweston | bdpayne: thank you, didn't know whether it needed more reviews or not | 17:57 |
| sweston | for the first one | 17:57 |
| bdpayne | sweston, looks like you need another OSSG core review | 17:57 |
| bdpayne | I can provide that | 17:57 |
| sweston | bdpayne: awesome, thank you :-) | 17:58 |
| bdpayne | also may need a review from the project core team? do we have that yet? | 17:58 |
| bdpayne | tkelsey for yours... are we wanting on a core project review? | 17:58 |
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| tkelsey | bdpayne: yes thats right | 17:58 |
| bdpayne | ok, how do we get that to happen? | 17:58 |
| bdpayne | this has been sitting idle for a while | 17:59 |
| tkelsey | bdpayne: yes, I guess I'll go jump into an irc room and ask :) | 17:59 |
| bdpayne | ok thanks | 17:59 |
| bdpayne | looks like our time is up | 17:59 |
| tkelsey | indeed | 17:59 |
| tkelsey | thanks everyone | 18:00 |
| tkelsey | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 4 18:00:05 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-12-04-17.00.html | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-12-04-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2014/openstack_security_group.2014-12-04-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Weekly Poppy Meeting | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 4 19:00:31 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Weekly Poppy Meeting)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'weekly_poppy_meeting' | 19:00 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic RollCall | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RollCall (Meeting topic: Weekly Poppy Meeting)" | 19:00 | |
| amitgandhinz | who do we have today | 19:00 |
| catherineR | o/ | 19:00 |
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| obulpathi | o/ | 19:01 |
| miqui__ | ..hello poopers... | 19:01 |
| miqui__ | uuoops | 19:02 |
| miqui__ | poppers... | 19:02 |
| megan_w_ | hello poppers :) | 19:02 |
| megan_w_ | lol | 19:02 |
| miqui__ | sorry ... | 19:02 |
| ycombinator_ | o/ | 19:02 |
| guimarin | lol | 19:02 |
| cpowell | o/ ? | 19:02 |
| megan_w_ | miqui__: is now officially my favorite teammate | 19:02 |
| obulpathi | hahha | 19:02 |
| miqui__ | LOL | 19:02 |
| miqui__ | LOL | 19:02 |
| miqui__ | sorry ...too much caffeine... | 19:03 |
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| cpowell | o/ | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | haha ok | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | lets get the show on the road | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy | 19:03 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Review Last Week | 19:03 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2014/poppy_weekly_meeting.2014-11-20-19.00.html | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | only one action item | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | malini to update guidelines regarding running api tests | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | malini is out this week | 19:04 |
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| amitgandhinz | i know the readme files have been updated for running api tests | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | and some work has been going on around using mimic | 19:04 |
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| amitgandhinz | there is also a patch out there by cpowell on running mimic docker containers | 19:04 |
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| amitgandhinz | for those who dont know, mimic lets us intercept requests to third parties so that we can run api tests locally without slowing them down hitting external services | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | such as fastly, akamai, dns, etc | 19:05 |
| miqui__ | so it mocks/fakes the call to 3rd party CDNs? | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | ya | 19:06 |
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| miqui__ | cool..neat.. | 19:06 |
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| miqui__ | thahnks. | 19:06 |
| tonytan4ever | Hi everyone | 19:06 |
| tonytan4ever | sorry I am late | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | np | 19:06 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Update on Kilo-1 | 19:07 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/kilo-1 | 19:07 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok so kilo-1 cycle officially ended yesterday | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | so i will be cutting a release today for it | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | theres a few outstanding items that need their final +1's so if i can merge them after this meeting that would be cool | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | so...lets go through the list | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: Create caching rules for whole site or specific content | 19:08 |
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| amitgandhinz | specifically akamai caching rules | 19:08 |
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| amitgandhinz | (fastly was already merged) | 19:08 |
| tonytan4ever | Yeah | 19:08 |
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| amitgandhinz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138449/ | 19:08 |
| tonytan4ever | I finished up Akamai and now just need another +1 | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | please review this everyone! | 19:09 |
| obulpathi | I have reviewd it | 19:09 |
| obulpathi | I think ready to be merged | 19:09 |
| tonytan4ever | cool. | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | approved! | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: Rackspace Cloud DNS Driver | 19:10 |
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| obulpathi | Its done | 19:10 |
| obulpathi | It need sa +1 | 19:10 |
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| tonytan4ever | I just +1ed on this one. | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: just +1'd it | 19:10 |
| obulpathi | needs a +1 | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | haha | 19:10 |
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| obulpathi | cool | 19:10 |
| obulpathi | it is ready to ber merged | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | approved! | 19:10 |
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| obulpathi | thanks! | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | the following two bp )DNS driver and Defautl DNS driver are related | 19:11 |
| obulpathi | yep | 19:11 |
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| obulpathi | they are part of the same pr | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: Specify provider url in the conf file | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | i know she fixed it for the fastly provider | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | i think the other ones remain still | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | i will move this bp to kilo-2 | 19:11 |
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| amitgandhinz | okay | 19:12 |
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| amitgandhinz | i also moved other bp that i knew werent done yet to kio-2 | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | lets go through the bugs, and then we can take a look at whats planned for k-2 | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic bugs | 19:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: Weekly Poppy Meeting)" | 19:13 | |
| amitgandhinz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1392578 | 19:13 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1392578 in poppy "Next link in GET /services is incorrect" [High,Triaged] | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | ycombinator_: can you take a look at this again? | 19:14 |
| ycombinator_ | yes, as soon as I get fastly credentials and get rid of that error | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | i think this bug is resolved by the enforcement of project_id | 19:14 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok, i will assign this to you | 19:14 |
| ycombinator_ | thanks | 19:14 |
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| amitgandhinz | done, also moved it to k2 | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1392568 | 19:15 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1392568 in poppy "Cannot GET service with name containing dot" [Medium,Triaged] | 19:15 |
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| amitgandhinz | this also seemed related to the missing projectid issue | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | mind if i reassign to you ycombinator_ to confirm its fixed? | 19:16 |
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| ycombinator_ | no problem | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1393558 | 19:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1393558 in poppy "api-tests fail when flavor doesn't exist" [Medium,In progress] | 19:17 |
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| amitgandhinz | i think this was merged already | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | looking for patch... | 19:18 |
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| amitgandhinz | yes it was fixed as part of this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136505/ | 19:19 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok so that brings the K1 cycle to an end | 19:20 |
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| amitgandhinz | everyone deserves a round of applause as that also completes the core functionality we were targeting | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | good job everyone =) | 19:20 |
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| obulpathi | :) | 19:20 |
| tonytan4ever | \o/ | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | i will cut the release soon | 19:21 |
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| miqui__ | good job folks... | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, now moving attention to Kilo-2 cycle... | 19:21 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/kilo-2 | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | the focus on this milestone is to solidify a lot of what was done in K-1 | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | so you will see many bugs that need squishing have been bought over to here | 19:22 |
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| amitgandhinz | also there is some tech debt that we need to take care of | 19:22 |
| miqui__ | amitgandhinz: what is the tech debt [recisely? | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | eg the message queue driver | 19:23 |
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| tonytan4ever | Oh, we gotta pay that one. | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | basically the async workers we have now are ok, but it would scale better using a queue (rabbit, zaqar) etc | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | we also need to refactor the spotlight stuff | 19:24 |
| miqui__ | you mean learn about the specific backend? | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | get to py34 | 19:24 |
| miqui__ | like rabbit...zero, zaqer et.c.. | 19:24 |
| tonytan4ever | That's the 'backend' for queue driver | 19:24 |
| miqui__ | ...right.... | 19:24 |
| amitgandhinz | so rather than spawn threads to call out to the cdn providers and dns, we post a message on to a queue, and then have scalable workers that perform the task (eg call out to the cdn provider) | 19:24 |
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| cpowell | celery? | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | celery could also be an option | 19:25 |
| tonytan4ever | celery is a good candidate I think. | 19:25 |
| miqui__ | celery + rabbit? | 19:25 |
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| amitgandhinz | but celery is shy'ed upon | 19:25 |
| cpowell | boo | 19:25 |
| miqui__ | hmm.... | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | i know the barbican team (i think) had incubation comments around it | 19:25 |
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| obulpathi | with celery we can improve the throughput of poppy by a factor atleast 10X | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2013-December/000432.html | 19:26 |
| obulpathi | its not anything specific with celery, but the processor backend for celery supports gevent | 19:26 |
| amitgandhinz | but we should support it as a potential driver | 19:27 |
| obulpathi | which means we can have potentially hundreds of requests simultaneously going on | 19:27 |
| tonytan4ever | And I think Zaqar is not as suitable as celery in this instance. | 19:27 |
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| obulpathi | with process based queue mechanism, scalability will still be an issue | 19:27 |
| tonytan4ever | We can talk about it later. | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | i agree | 19:27 |
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| amitgandhinz | when we get to that blueprint lets have a design disussion on it | 19:27 |
| obulpathi | +1 | 19:27 |
| miqui__ | +1 | 19:28 |
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| tonytan4ever | sure. | 19:28 |
| amitgandhinz | #action amitgandhinz to set up a design discussion on the Message Queue Driver | 19:28 |
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| amitgandhinz | i will also do some work to pull some more bp's into the k2 cycle | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | fyi, k-2 goes until Jan 22 | 19:29 |
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| miqui__ | i use draw.io for diagrams.... | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | so not that far out with the holidays | 19:29 |
| obulpathi | oh its really short | 19:29 |
| amitgandhinz | yeh the cycles are really only 1.5 months | 19:30 |
| obulpathi | oh ok | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | we just werent following them until now =P | 19:30 |
| obulpathi | I though they are 2 months | 19:30 |
| miqui__ | me too.. | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | no, they allow time at the end between the end of k3 and the release for bug fiing | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | fixing | 19:30 |
| amitgandhinz | basically a feature freeze | 19:31 |
| amitgandhinz | openstack cycles are 6 months total | 19:31 |
| obulpathi | oh ok, got it | 19:31 |
| tonytan4ever | So work harder or less bps ? | 19:31 |
| tonytan4ever | in k-2 ? | 19:31 |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 19:31 |
| amitgandhinz | in k2 we should focus on bugs, testing, etc and things that improve the work done in k1 | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | basically lets make what we have done so far nice and solid | 19:32 |
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| miqui__ | a hip sprint... | 19:32 |
| tonytan4ever | Understood. | 19:32 |
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| obulpathi | ok | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | i will do more grooming of the k2 plan in the coming days | 19:33 |
| amitgandhinz | ok moving on | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic new items | 19:34 |
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| amitgandhinz | nothing was set on the agenda here | 19:34 |
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| amitgandhinz | kind of alreayd covered the k1/k2 discussion i was going to have =p | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic open discussion | 19:34 |
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| amitgandhinz | anyone have anything else they want to discuss? | 19:34 |
| miqui__ | i do have an item, related to 'home doc' bp.. thanks amitgandhinz for the access | 19:34 |
| miqui__ | i can now edit... | 19:34 |
| miqui__ | ..now learning pecan routing so i can figure out the routes to document | 19:35 |
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| miqui__ | it would help me a lot if you guys can email me the routes you have in place so that i can put them in apiary.io | 19:35 |
| amitgandhinz | the apiary docs should already list the endpoints that exist | 19:36 |
| miqui__ | at the end of the day all of you can review the home doc and see if anything is missing or not... | 19:36 |
| miqui__ | right amitgandhinz... but am not sure yet...am going through the code | 19:36 |
| amitgandhinz | you can also see the routes we have in pecan under the /poppy/transport/pecan/v1/... folder | 19:36 |
| miqui__ | yup.... | 19:36 |
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| amitgandhinz | this might help: https://github.com/stackforge/poppy/blob/master/poppy/transport/pecan/driver.py#L55 | 19:37 |
| miqui__ | ..jsut not used to pecan object routing.... in some other frameworks can you easily see the routes... | 19:37 |
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| miqui__ | ...but thats my problem.... | 19:37 |
| amitgandhinz | as long as you cover the top level endpoints like /services then the user can follow the endpoints to get to the rest | 19:38 |
| miqui__ | hmm k... | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | you dont need to list each service the user has in the home doc | 19:38 |
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| miqui__ | amitgandhinz: so basically once the user can see the json payload of the services... then he/.she can see the rest... | 19:39 |
| amitgandhinz | yes | 19:39 |
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| amitgandhinz | a good example is the zaqar home doc: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zaqar/specs/api/v1 | 19:39 |
| miqui__ | k.. sounds good.. thanks for the heads up... | 19:39 |
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| amitgandhinz | basically you output the link to /services, /health, /ping, /flavors | 19:40 |
| miqui__ | k. thanks.. | 19:40 |
| amitgandhinz | and the hints (GET, POST, DELETE) etc that are available on each endpoint | 19:40 |
| miqui__ | yeah seen similar doc pattern.. thanks | 19:40 |
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| miqui__ | k, am set for now.. thanks amitgandhinz | 19:40 |
| amitgandhinz | once the user follows /services, they will be exposed the links to each one of their services | 19:40 |
| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:40 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, any other questions? | 19:40 |
| tonytan4ever | Not really questions, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138449/ | 19:41 |
| tonytan4ever | needs another round of +1 | 19:41 |
| tonytan4ever | because of merge conflict. | 19:41 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:41 |
| obulpathi | will do it | 19:41 |
| tonytan4ever | thanks guys. | 19:42 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, anything else? | 19:42 |
| miqui__ | not fromme... | 19:42 |
| amitgandhinz | only other comment is lets make sure we are reviewing code on a regular basis | 19:43 |
| amitgandhinz | everyone reviews | 19:43 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok, if there is nothing else.... | 19:44 |
| amitgandhinz | thanks everyone! | 19:44 |
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| miqui__ | cya... | 19:44 |
| tonytan4ever | see you guys later in poppy channel. | 19:45 |
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| amitgandhinz | later | 19:45 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:45 |
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| megan_w_ | later | 19:45 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 4 19:45:14 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/weekly_poppy_meeting/2014/weekly_poppy_meeting.2014-12-04-19.00.html | 19:45 |
| obulpathi | see you | 19:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/weekly_poppy_meeting/2014/weekly_poppy_meeting.2014-12-04-19.00.txt | 19:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/weekly_poppy_meeting/2014/weekly_poppy_meeting.2014-12-04-19.00.log.html | 19:45 |
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