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| * StevenK prods tchaypo | 08:02 | |
| tchaypo | oh hai | 08:02 |
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| tchaypo | so who’s here? | 08:02 |
| StevenK | o/ | 08:02 |
| marios | o/ | 08:02 |
| shardy | morning! | 08:02 |
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| tchaypo | woo | 08:03 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 08:03 |
| tchaypo | #startmeeting tripleo | 08:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 10 08:03:34 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tchaypo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 08:03 |
| tchaypo | #topic agenda | 08:03 |
| tchaypo | * bugs | 08:03 |
| tchaypo | * reviews | 08:03 |
| tchaypo | * Projects needing releases | 08:03 |
| tchaypo | * CD Cloud status | 08:03 |
| tchaypo | * CI | 08:03 |
| tchaypo | * Tuskar | 08:03 |
| harshada_kakad | o/ | 08:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:03 | |
| tchaypo | * Specs | 08:03 |
| tchaypo | * open discussion | 08:03 |
| tchaypo | Remember that anyone can use the link and info commands, not just the moderator - if you have something worth noting in the meeting minutes feel free to tag it | 08:03 |
| tchaypo | #topic bugs | 08:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:03 | |
| * marios still falling behind in bug time | 08:04 | |
| tchaypo | greetings harshada_kakad! | 08:04 |
| tchaypo | #topic bugs | 08:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:04 | |
| tchaypo | I wanted to raise https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1188067 | 08:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1188067 in tripleo "* listening services available on all addresses" [High,In progress] | 08:04 |
| tchaypo | I’ve suggested closing it; would like to get some feedback. No particular need for that to happen during the meeting though. | 08:05 |
| tchaypo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 08:05 |
| tchaypo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 08:05 |
| tchaypo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 08:05 |
| tchaypo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 08:05 |
| tchaypo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 08:05 |
| tchaypo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config | 08:05 |
| tchaypo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-net-config | 08:05 |
| tchaypo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar | 08:05 |
| tchaypo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient | 08:05 |
| marios | tchaypo: lol "that's all nice and good" | 08:05 |
| tchaypo | I’ve noticed the untriaged bot is quite chatty these days, but I keep failing to make enough time to deal with the things it’s talking about | 08:06 |
| marios | tchaypo: didn't realise there was a review out, will have a look | 08:06 |
| tchaypo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ doesn’t show me any unassigned criticals though | 08:07 |
| greghaynes | We also said we were going to have a bugsquash day but I think we all forgot? | 08:07 |
| tchaypo | sorry, it does - https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1229849 | 08:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1229849 in heat "In future native Heat templates, we should leave the image users alone on servers" [Wishlist,In progress] | 08:07 |
| shardy | We're actually expecting to remove instance_user from heat and just let the image defaults be used instead | 08:08 |
| tchaypo | greghaynes: could you send an email out and suggest a day for that? | 08:09 |
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| tchaypo | reading https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1229849 i’m not entirely clear what we’d have to do to support this | 08:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1229849 in heat "In future native Heat templates, we should leave the image users alone on servers" [Wishlist,In progress] | 08:09 |
| greghaynes | Sure thing. Last week we suggested tuesday (which just ended). Ill suggest wed of next week so we can remind everyone in the meeting day before :0 | 08:09 |
| tchaypo | it sounds like maybe we need to have Yet Another Map that maps distro -> username? | 08:10 |
| tchaypo | or a way to provide a map of instance -> username? | 08:10 |
| tchaypo | I’ll grab the bug for now, just so it’s assigned, and I’ll follow up in-channel to figure out what needs to be done | 08:13 |
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| shardy | Based on Clint's comment, are we saying you'd prefer we didn't remove instance_user, but just flipped the default to not creating any user? | 08:14 |
| shardy | I can sync up with shadower about it - IIRC he proposed the instance_user deprecation in heat | 08:14 |
| tchaypo | I’m not sure I understand clint’s comment | 08:15 |
| tchaypo | oh wait -the “per-OS users” are coming from heat? | 08:16 |
| shardy | I think he's saying if we remove instance_user from heat, it will break tripleo | 08:16 |
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| shardy | tchaypo: Yes | 08:16 |
| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/common/config.py#L87 | 08:16 |
| tchaypo | I think I know how we can work with that then | 08:16 |
| shardy | shadower proposed a deprecation/removal for Juno, but in the end it didn't actually get removed | 08:16 |
| tchaypo | but to clarify - in the phrase “per-OS user” is that “per operating system” or “per openstack”? | 08:17 |
| shardy | The users can just be created in the template instead of automagically by heat | 08:17 |
| shardy | tchaypo: It's a default user we create on every box deployed via heat (unless you use user_data_format=RAW) | 08:17 |
| tchaypo | Will we be able to query heat to find out what the username is? | 08:18 |
| shardy | tchaypo: Not at the moment, unless the user creation moves into the template | 08:18 |
| tchaypo | it sounds like heat must have the distro->username mapping somewhere; I think it would be nice if we didn’t have to recreate that | 08:18 |
| tchaypo | let | 08:18 |
| shardy | tchaypo: No, we just inject some cloud-init data which creates a user on every distro | 08:19 |
| shardy | perhaps we should follow up on the ML about this? | 08:19 |
| tchaypo | let’s talk about this after the meeting - I’m still trying to wrap my head around it and it doesn’t seem like a good use of meeting time | 08:19 |
| tchaypo | yes :) | 08:19 |
| tchaypo | any other bugs we want to talk about? | 08:19 |
| shardy | +1 | 08:19 |
| tchaypo | #action tchaypo to follow up with shardy/shadower about how to handle instance_user deprecation | 08:21 |
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| tchaypo | #topic reviews | 08:21 |
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| tchaypo | #info There's a new dashboard linked from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO#Review_team - look for "TripleO Inbox Dashboard" | 08:22 |
| tchaypo | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html | 08:22 |
| tchaypo | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt | 08:22 |
| tchaypo | #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt | 08:22 |
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| tchaypo | We’re back up to 2 reviewers above the 3 reviews/day threshold; we’re at 6d3h42m/14d11h29m for the 2nd/3rd quartiles of "since the last revision without -1 or -2" | 08:23 |
| tchaypo | Queue growth in the last 30 days: 56 (1.9/day) | 08:23 |
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| tchaypo | I don’t want to focus on the numbers, but it seems fairly clear the backlog is growing. It’s less clear whether that’s a problem; I know that I personally have a bunch of older reviews that are low-priority things that haven’t been updated because I’ve been focusing elsewhere | 08:24 |
| tchaypo | Five oldest reviews: | 08:25 |
| tchaypo | 33 days, 14 hours, 48 minutes https://review.openstack.org/133094 (Specify a signal transport for the SwiftStorageDeployment) | 08:25 |
| tchaypo | 28 days, 15 hours, 2 minutes https://review.openstack.org/133755 (Tuskar role components spec) | 08:25 |
| tchaypo | 27 days, 14 hours, 58 minutes https://review.openstack.org/133554 (Add Overview subsection to Proposed Change section) | 08:25 |
| tchaypo | 22 days, 16 hours, 42 minutes https://review.openstack.org/127988 (Add Neutron DVR configuration variables) | 08:25 |
| tchaypo | 21 days, 16 hours, 15 minutes https://review.openstack.org/101237 (Introduce support for Cinder HA via Ceph) | 08:25 |
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| tchaypo | Does anyone want to volunteer to shepherd any of those? | 08:27 |
| tchaypo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133094 has several +1s but hasn’t passed tests | 08:27 |
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| marios | tchaypo: neutron one is almost landed, will ping jan about that | 08:28 |
| tchaypo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133755/ is a spec that’s had no review in almost a month of being up | 08:28 |
| tchaypo | it depends on 133554.. | 08:29 |
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| shardy | It's not clear to me if that will work on update until bug #1389178 is fixed.. | 08:29 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1389178 in heat "heat stack-update failure when scaling resource group due to deficient signal handling in o-r-c scripts" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1389178 | 08:29 |
| shardy | I've been meaning to look into that but not yet had time | 08:29 |
| tchaypo | but https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133554/ seems as though it’s no longer necessary, so 133755 should be able to be made un-dependant | 08:30 |
| StevenK | I thought 101237 required other bits as well, like ceph | 08:30 |
| tchaypo | I’ll update 133755 to break the dependency | 08:30 |
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| tchaypo | shardy: could you comment on it to say you don’t think it will work? | 08:30 |
| shardy | Because o-r-c only sends one deployment signal per instance on update, not one per deployment resource | 08:31 |
| shardy | which is why you have NO_SIGNAL everywhere other than the AllNodesDeployments, AFAICT | 08:31 |
| tchaypo | StevenK: yes, you seem to be right about 101237. I’ll talk to gfidente today to ask him to either mark that as WIP or see if we can get an update | 08:31 |
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| shardy | Based on analysis by stevebaker in comment #14, we have fixes required to 99-refresh-completed | 08:32 |
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| tchaypo | wheee | 08:32 |
| shardy | I'll try to take a look today or tomorrow | 08:32 |
| greghaynes | Shouldnt be hard to just do our same curl -XPOST thing for more than one resource | 08:33 |
| greghaynes | ah, yes | 08:33 |
| tchaypo | Okay, so in order to progress 133094 we need to look at the comments on bug #1389178 and fix those issues? | 08:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1389178 in heat "heat stack-update failure when scaling resource group due to deficient signal handling in o-r-c scripts" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1389178 | 08:33 |
| shardy | tchaypo: I'll take that bug, unless anyone else wants it, seeing as I've already fixed the heat related aspects | 08:33 |
| tchaypo | thanks shardy | 08:34 |
| tchaypo | so shady is working on bug #1389178 to progress review #133094; I’m talking to gfidente about what we can do to progress #101237 (or marking it as WIP if it can’t be acted on right now), I’ll chase #133554 as I think it can be abandoned and that should mean #133755 can be unbound from #133554… which just means it needs people to review it | 08:35 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1389178 in heat "heat stack-update failure when scaling resource group due to deficient signal handling in o-r-c scripts" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1389178 | 08:35 |
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| tchaypo | #topic Projects needing releases | 08:37 |
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| tchaypo | summary: some of them do. Do we have a volunteer? | 08:37 |
| tchaypo | StevenK: did you go through this yet? | 08:37 |
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| greghaynes | He did | 08:37 |
| greghaynes | I can release this week | 08:37 |
| StevenK | Sounds good | 08:38 |
| greghaynes | I have a couple dib things I want out :) | 08:38 |
| tchaypo | #action greghaynes to handle this week’s releases | 08:38 |
| tchaypo | #topic CI/CD | 08:38 |
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| tchaypo | in line with what I’ve suggested on the list, I’m going to ignore these for now and work with derekh to get an email summary sent out | 08:38 |
| tchaypo | #topic tuskar | 08:39 |
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| tchaypo | Suggests from list and other discussion are that we’re not sure why this topic even exists; unless anyone has anything to raise I’m moving right along | 08:39 |
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| tchaypo | #topic specs | 08:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "specs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 08:39 | |
| tchaypo | We already mentioned that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133755/ has had no reviews in almost a month. | 08:40 |
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| tchaypo | I’m going to be chasing that one; unless anyone has anything else they feel needs to be raised here rather than in channel or on the list I’ll move on | 08:41 |
| tchaypo | #topic open discussion | 08:41 |
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| marios | tchaypo: wrt meeting topics, based on current comments on list, except for reviews, bugs, releases (unless separate process/team put in place), everything else could become on-demand for the agenda | 08:41 |
| harshada_kakad | I need some help in launching instance in Ironic. I have launched instance using cirros and ubuntu image. I need to launch instance using centos and rhel image. As we need to create ramdisk and kernel image using diskimage-builder to launch any instance. I am facing problems in creating ramdisk and kernel image for centos and rhel. | 08:41 |
| harshada_kakad | has anyboby tested diskimage-builder with centos or rhel ? | 08:41 |
| tchaypo | marios: yeah, that’s what my understanding is too | 08:42 |
| tchaypo | harshada_kakad: half our team is employed by redhat, they’ve tested it quite a bit :) | 08:42 |
| harshada_kakad | sudo bin/ramdisk-image-create -a amd64 centos7 deploy-ironic -o /tmp/deploy-ramdisk-centos7 | 08:42 |
| harshada_kakad | when i run this command i get errors as No package busybox available | 08:42 |
| tchaypo | I think this is probably better discussed in #tripleo rather than here - more people around who have probably used it | 08:43 |
| marios | harshada_kakad: try #openstack-ironic | 08:43 |
| marios | harshada_kakad: but may need a couple hours for more people to be around | 08:43 |
| tchaypo | What platform are you building on? I know that there are problems trying to build RHEL/Centos images on an ubuntu host, but I don’t know specifics | 08:43 |
| harshada_kakad | i m doing tht on ubuntu host only .. | 08:44 |
| harshada_kakad | so do u mean to say i should do this on cent/rhel host | 08:44 |
| harshada_kakad | ? | 08:44 |
| tchaypo | from what I’ve heard, that’s always going to fail. I believe you’ll need to get a CentOS system and do it from there | 08:44 |
| harshada_kakad | ohh ok .. | 08:44 |
| harshada_kakad | so same is for rhel as well ... | 08:45 |
| tchaypo | I don’t understand what the problem is though - so it may be unrelated to what you’re seeing, or maybe it’s been solved already. I just know that I’ve heard that building RHEL/Centos images has to be done on a centos (or RHEL) system | 08:45 |
| tchaypo | In a few hours once more people are around in #tripleo or #openstack-ironic, someone who actually knows what they’re talking about can probably give you a more useful answer :) | 08:45 |
| shardy | harshada_kakad: I think you need to use dracut-ramdisk for RAMDISK_ELEMENT | 08:46 |
| harshada_kakad | ok i was not knowing of that .. that it sholud be done on the same platform .. | 08:46 |
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| harshada_kakad | yesp i have used it but on ubuntu platform and it also fails with on busybox ... | 08:46 |
| shardy | but we're pretty OT for this meeting now, as others have said, #openstack-ironic... | 08:47 |
| * marios intense stare tchaypo | 08:47 | |
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| tchaypo | IF there’s nothing else it sounds like we can wrap up early | 08:48 |
| tchaypo | (although I’d point out that the current topic is “open discussion” so i don’t see how anything can be off-topic ;) | 08:48 |
| tchaypo | #endmeeting | 08:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 10 08:49:36 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-12-10-08.03.html | 08:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-12-10-08.03.txt | 08:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2014/tripleo.2014-12-10-08.03.log.html | 08:49 |
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| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 16:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 10 16:59:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 16:59 |
| Kiall | Heya - Who's about? | 16:59 |
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| timsim | o/ | 16:59 |
| mugsie | o/ | 17:00 |
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| Kiall | Lot's of agenda items today, so we'll likely want to try be quick today :) | 17:00 |
| Kiall | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Designate | 17:00 |
| rjrjr_ | o/ | 17:00 |
| betsy | o/ | 17:00 |
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| Kiall | #topic Action Items from last week | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Items from last week (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:01 | |
| Kiall | all review new-agent spec - we'll discuss in the topic for this, so moving on :) | 17:01 |
| Kiall | #topic Kilo Release Status (kiall - recurring) | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo Release Status (kiall - recurring) (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 17:01 | |
| Kiall | #link https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/kilo-1 | 17:01 |
| Kiall | Very quickly, good progress, I think we'll want to file bugs+BPs for some of the outstanding issues (including the ones rjrjr_'s latest patchset fixes) so there tracked here.. | 17:02 |
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| vinod1 | relaod config files and tsigs - are we still targetting those? | 17:02 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: I'm hoping I can ask you to file those? | 17:02 |
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| betsy | I’d like to get the pool storage changes in | 17:02 |
| Kiall | tsig yes - I think we need it for more than 1 pool, it's a simple enough thing to do though. | 17:02 |
| rjrjr_ | sure. | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | reload config - if it happens to land - great - it's "Low" priorioty so can be bumped if needs be | 17:03 |
| Kiall | thanks rjrjr_:) | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | Anyway, I don't think theres much of note to discuss on the status this week. So moving on again | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | #topic Pools - Where are we? (kiall - recurring) | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | So, betsy has some changes, as does rjrjr_, and we have the various backends to get updated. | 17:04 |
| Kiall | I'll talk to powerdns and the "Pools config definition issue (kiall)" in a sec - update from anyone else? | 17:04 |
| timsim | Anything vinod1? | 17:05 |
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| rjrjr_ | should have some unit tests for pool manager to push this evening. | 17:05 |
| mugsie | cool | 17:05 |
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| vinod1 | no - no updates from me | 17:05 |
| Kiall | Okay... So, while transitioning the PowerDNS backend, I ran into an issue around how pools config is handled | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | Some backends (e.g. PowerDNS ;)) have a use of the configuration outside of the pool manager service - for example - in database migrations | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | Right now, the the pool-manager service and pool backend are fairly linked together - and, I believe we'll need to split them apart a bit. | 17:07 |
| rjrjr_ | want me to move that functionality to central? | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | While working through trying to split them, I've run into 2 other issues with the way it works... | 17:07 |
| Kiall | 1) Because the config is dynamic, we're blocking ourselves from being about to use sample config generation, and config reloading | 17:08 |
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| Kiall | 2) The structure seems like it might need to change, so backends will need to fan out changes (bind), while others need to keep in central (powerdns) | 17:08 |
| Kiall | some backends* | 17:08 |
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| Kiall | grr - typo's all around | 17:09 |
| Kiall | 1) Because the config is dynamic, we're blocking ourselves from being able to use sample config generation, and config reloading | 17:09 |
| Kiall | 2) The structure seems like it might need to change, some backends will need to fan out changes (bind), while others need to keep in central (powerdns) | 17:09 |
| Kiall | ^ fixed | 17:09 |
| mugsie | Kiall: not in central | 17:09 |
| Kiall | ah - not the service | 17:09 |
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| Kiall | central as in centralized | 17:10 |
| mugsie | ;) | 17:10 |
| Kiall | 1 DB, multiple servers. | 17:10 |
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| Kiall | vs bind - DB is files on disk and local to each server | 17:10 |
| Kiall | So - As part of trying to split the config from the pool manager service, I've been trying to make sure we don't block ourselves from doing the 2 items in #1, and only just realized the #2 issue before my last meeting. | 17:10 |
| Kiall | (Everyone following, not 100% sure I'm explaining this properly!) | 17:11 |
| rjrjr_ | i'm not following. | 17:11 |
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| Kiall | Okay - let me take 1 part at a time :) | 17:11 |
| rjrjr_ | what configuration data is needed for powerdns for example, that won't be used in pool manager, but used elsewhere. | 17:11 |
| rjrjr_ | do you have an example of the problem? | 17:12 |
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| Kiall | So - for PowerDNS, we have to use the same configuration options from both the pool manager service, and the designate-manage CLI while performing DB migrations | 17:12 |
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| rjrjr_ | okay, that makes sense. | 17:12 |
| Kiall | The way the config is instantiated today would require the CLI to spin up pool manager in order to get the config | 17:13 |
| Kiall | Okay - Next piece, is: | 17:13 |
| Kiall | In order to be not build this in a way that blocks sample config generation in the future, we need to be able to provide a method like this to oslo.config for option discovery: | 17:13 |
| Kiall | https://github.com/openstack/designate/blob/master/designate/openstack/common/sslutils.py#L41 | 17:14 |
| Kiall | the list_ops() method needs to be aware of all the options, which is going to be difficult with the current config structure | 17:14 |
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| Kiall | Not a major thing, we just don't want to lock ourselves out of doing that since we're changing it anyway | 17:15 |
| timsim | If it needs to be used outside of the PM, right? | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | timsim: yes - an example from Heat on where they get used is here: https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/setup.cfg#L35 | 17:15 |
| Kiall | oslo.config's generater will find+load those, modules, run the method, and expect to get a full set of opts back after calling each of them | 17:16 |
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| timsim | Ok, I guess there couldn't be specific designate-manage for example config options? That doesn't really solve the bigger issue, but could you just duplicate config if you had to? | 17:17 |
| Kiall | All clear so far? | 17:17 |
| rjrjr_ | yes. | 17:17 |
| timsim | yep | 17:17 |
| Kiall | timsim: yea, it's just something to keep in mind while we make the other necessary changes anyway | 17:17 |
| timsim | For sure | 17:17 |
| Kiall | Next piece was, the potential need to restructure the layout of the config.. Specifically, we have different sections in the pools config today: | 17:17 |
| Kiall | [backend:bind9:*] <-- global defaults for all bind9 servers in the pool | 17:18 |
| Kiall | [backend:bind9:<server-id>] <-- server specific overrides | 17:18 |
| Kiall | That works great for bind9 - where each bind9 server needs to be contacted for each change (add/remove zone etc) | 17:18 |
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| Kiall | vs with powerDNS - where you want to submit the add/remove once as it get's pushed into a shared DB | 17:19 |
| Kiall | And - The [backend:bind9:<server-id>] sections are used to determine which DNS servers to poll for change status | 17:19 |
| Kiall | (e.g. 90% of servers have a change, so mark it as ACTIVE) | 17:19 |
| Kiall | End result is we have a conflict there between wanting to check all the servers, while pushing change to a single place.. | 17:20 |
| timsim | That makes sense, it seems like ideally there would be a single place to do *something* before reaching out to those servers | 17:20 |
| Kiall | Not 100% sure if that's the extent of that issue, if it's exaggerated, or if there's more to it.. Only realized it shortly before my last meeting - which was back to back with this | 17:21 |
| timsim | (I actually thought of an issue in our use case that suffers from a similar issue) | 17:21 |
| rjrjr_ | we can add an option to the global defaults section to handle the single versus multiple work | 17:21 |
| Kiall | it also plays in timsim's agent proposal - where you might push to 2x bind masters, and pool the real servers for publication status | 17:21 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: yea - My thinking is the set of servers to poll is a simple list of IP:PORT pairs in the main config | 17:22 |
| rjrjr_ | main config? | 17:22 |
| Kiall | Followed by [backend:bind9:<server-id>] changing to [backend:bind9:<target-index>] | 17:22 |
| Kiall | where the "target" is where changes get pushed to (probably needs a better name) | 17:22 |
| timsim | So for PowerDNS a database, for a Master-Slave bind9, the Masters? | 17:23 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: a "servers = 1.2.3.4:53, 4.3.2.1:53" option inside the [backend:bind9:*] section | 17:23 |
| Kiall | (Also - Apologies about this being a unfiltered braindump ;)) | 17:23 |
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| Kiall | timsim: yea, exactly. | 17:23 |
| betsy | kiall: no worries :) We appreciate your thoughts | 17:24 |
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| Kiall | for each target you would create a backend instance, for bind9, that 1 for every server you want to `rndc addzone` against, for powerdns it's every DB you want to write changes to (which could be 1 DB cluster, or a standalong DB on every powerDNS server) | 17:24 |
| timsim | That makes sense to me. In most cases I would think that it isn't as simple as "apply changes to a and b, poll a and b" | 17:25 |
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| Kiall | timsim: Yes - Exactly, bind9 is "apply to serverA+serverB, poll serverA+serverB" - While PowerDNS is "apply to serverA, poll serverB+serverC" | 17:25 |
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| timsim | And then for each target, do you specify a list of servers to poll? | 17:26 |
| timsim | Or is that global for the backend? | 17:26 |
| mugsie | timsim: i would think the list of polling servers would be per backend | 17:26 |
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| mugsie | / pool manager | 17:26 |
| Kiall | I *think* there unrelated to each other .. the "servers to poll" is per pool | 17:26 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr_: am I making sense? :) | 17:26 |
| timsim | Fair enough. | 17:26 |
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| rjrjr_ | yes, but i'm going to have to think about this. | 17:27 |
| rjrjr_ | i understand the problem. i think i understand what you are proposing as a solution. | 17:27 |
| timsim | There should probably be a writeup with some examples. | 17:27 |
| Kiall | Yea, as I said, I discovered it about 1.5 hrs ago, and have been in meetings the last 1.2 hours ;) | 17:27 |
| rjrjr_ | but i'd like to give it some thought as there might be other more elegant solutions. | 17:28 |
| timsim | All good. Maybe we circle around next week when folks have time to think about it and hopefully review a doc? | 17:28 |
| Kiall | But - As it's semi related to the config issues I've been trying to solve for PowerDNS, I figuired figured I'd raise it now | 17:28 |
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| rjrjr_ | we need to solve this in the next couple of days, IMHO. | 17:28 |
| betsy | rjrjr_ +1 | 17:29 |
| rjrjr_ | 18th is approaching fast. | 17:29 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: this specific part doesn't actually block porting PowerDNS... It's the config tied to PM piece that is | 17:29 |
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| Kiall | That piece I'll have a review up for in the next few hours | 17:29 |
| Kiall | then PowerDNS can be ported, just "shared DB" won't work | 17:29 |
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| Kiall | Okay - Any should we move on? 2 topics down, 3 to go, and half way through our time | 17:30 |
| rjrjr_ | let's move on. | 17:30 |
| timsim | Sure | 17:30 |
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| Kiall | KK | 17:30 |
| Kiall | #topic Icehouse Support Life (kiall) | 17:31 |
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| Kiall | So - zigo (from debian) has been asking if we can commit to supporting icehouse designate (security issues mainly) for Debian Jessie release + ~3yr | 17:31 |
| Kiall | If the answer is no, he has to pull it from debian before the Jessie release.. | 17:31 |
| Kiall | Otherwise, he leaves it in and we commit to providing fixes for any security issues etc found | 17:32 |
| Kiall | Thoughts? | 17:32 |
| * Kiall loves the silence | 17:32 | |
| rjrjr_ | 3 years is a long time. | 17:32 |
| timsim | It seems like something we could do without too much effort to me? Unless something awful comes up. | 17:33 |
| mugsie | I would say provisionally yes. but - people may need buy in from management | 17:33 |
| betsy | And it’s v1 api not v2 | 17:33 |
| Kiall | that's my thinking to ;) But - Bearing in mind it's just security issues... | 17:33 |
| mugsie | but - security issues that could be .... interesting to fix ;) | 17:33 |
| Kiall | (any bugs are running in production in HP Cloud.. So.. It works .. | 17:33 |
| mugsie | especially if libs change etc | 17:33 |
| rjrjr_ | we'll be burdening future Designate developers with this. 8^) | 17:33 |
| Kiall | ;) | 17:33 |
| Kiall | The other projects have been posed the same Q BTW ;) | 17:34 |
| mugsie | that said, thje benifit of being in debian by default is huge | 17:34 |
| mugsie | (for people using the software) | 17:34 |
| rjrjr_ | did all the other teams say yes? | 17:34 |
| timsim | If other projects are doing it, I feel like we should too. | 17:34 |
| mugsie | rjrjr_: afaik yes | 17:34 |
| betsy | Seems like it would be a good thing to do | 17:34 |
| mugsie | unless Kiall has other info | 17:34 |
| rjrjr_ | or is this like an interrogation of several witnesses? so and so said yes, so what do you say? | 17:35 |
| mugsie | yeah. that is why I am edging towards yes | 17:35 |
| rjrjr_ | LOL | 17:35 |
| Kiall | kinda.. | 17:35 |
| Kiall | <zigo> mugsie: A lot of organizations have agreed to provide security support for Icehouse for at least 3 years: Red Hat, Canonical, IBM, Mirantis, etc. | 17:35 |
| vinod1 | 2014-12-10T11:27:49 <mugsie> zigo: what are nova / neutron / cinder etc doing for support? Our releases are managed by the release team, who will tag Icehouse as EOL in May | 17:35 |
| vinod1 | 2014-12-10T11:28:20 <mugsie> how are other openstack projects dealing with it? (or are they?) | 17:35 |
| vinod1 | 2014-12-10T11:28:48 <zigo> mugsie: A lot of organizations have agreed to provide security support for Icehouse for at least 3 years: Red Hat, Canonical, IBM, Mirantis, etc. | 17:35 |
| vinod1 | 2014-12-10T11:29:03 <zigo> mugsie: So if it doesn't happen upstream, it will happen on downstream distributions. | 17:35 |
| vinod1 | 2014-12-10T11:29:12 <zigo> mugsie: Though this doesn't include Designate, which is why I have a problem. | 17:35 |
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| mugsie | yeah, but it was never called ouot which projects ;) | 17:35 |
| Kiall | i.e. projects get asked, and the the answers have come in as "Yes" - Just it's not the project itself directly saying "yes" | 17:35 |
| betsy | Any other incubated projects? | 17:35 |
| rjrjr_ | organizations doesn't = projects | 17:36 |
| mugsie | yup | 17:36 |
| Kiall | I think we're the only incubated projected packaged ;_ | 17:36 |
| vinod1 | if we miss this release of debian - when is the next release that we can get into? | 17:36 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: yea, that's my "kinda" and why I pasted that particular quote :) | 17:36 |
| mugsie | now, most of these orgs have thier own distros, so will be providing support abyway | 17:36 |
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| mugsie | fore the main projects | 17:36 |
| timsim | Maybe one of those orgs could come in and help us if work were required of us? | 17:37 |
| Kiall | Anyway - Here's my thinking, I'm tempted to say "Yes" as an individual... | 17:37 |
| rjrjr_ | i don't have a strong opinion. so i'll go with whatever the team thinks. seems like it can get messy but we have no way of knowing. | 17:37 |
| mugsie | Kiall: yeah - that is my thinking | 17:37 |
| mugsie | does anyone have any strong objections? | 17:38 |
| timsim | No strong objection. | 17:38 |
| betsy | nope | 17:38 |
| Kiall | Okay - So if others want to throw their name in, or not, that's OK.. | 17:38 |
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| rjrjr_ | would it be the Designate team doing this versus individuals? | 17:39 |
| Kiall | Let me know after the meet or whenever etc etc | 17:39 |
| vinod1 | when an issue is reported - how much time do we have to fix the issue? | 17:39 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: a commit needs to be made for it to stay, I don't believe it *needs* to be the project, or an org .. | 17:39 |
| clarkb | keep in mind upstream infra will be killing py26 testing when juno is EOL'd upstream | 17:39 |
| clarkb | not sure if that matters, but it may be useful info :) | 17:39 |
| rjrjr_ | might as well commit the team and our future children. 8^) | 17:39 |
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| Kiall | clarkb: yep, I know :) | 17:40 |
| mugsie | clarkb: after Icehouse is eol'd upstream is lost us anyway isnt it? | 17:40 |
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| Kiall | vinod1: I don't think there's hard deadlines etc.. Security fixes get reported, embargoed, and fixed expect for when someone reports it on a blog or pastebin;) | 17:40 |
| timsim | It seems logical that the team (whoever that may be) should fix those issues should they crop up. | 17:40 |
| clarkb | mugsie: I think that if there was a group of people sainy we are going to support this we wouldn't EOL it for that group. But I may be mistaken | 17:41 |
| clarkb | mugsie: typical response to longer support periods has been "please show up and we will help you" | 17:41 |
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| mugsie | clarkb: ok... that might be something for us to look at as well Kiall | 17:41 |
| Kiall | timsim: yep, and to a certain extend I think that will happen regardless of who commits, bearing in mind OpenStack as a group no longer supports it | 17:41 |
| mugsie | clarkb: thanks | 17:41 |
| Kiall | (so CI is gone etc) | 17:41 |
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| mugsie | Kiall: read scrollback ;) | 17:41 |
| clarkb | mugsie: the reason we have strongly EOLd things is no one works on them and we want to avoid the appearance that things are still supported | 17:42 |
| Kiall | ;) | 17:42 |
| Kiall | Heh | 17:42 |
| timsim | So I think we're agreed then? | 17:42 |
| Kiall | clarkb: right, and this wouldn't be "actively maintained" as against providing distros with the patches they need to slip into their packaging | 17:42 |
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| Kiall | i.e. I still think infra would EOL py26 testing, and eol the branch | 17:43 |
| mugsie | We can ask, and double check after this meeting though | 17:43 |
| Kiall | and we'd work outside of infra when/if an issue comes in | 17:43 |
| clarkb | definitely eol py26 testing (it needs to go away python eold that version forever ago) | 17:43 |
| clarkb | Kiall: gotcha | 17:43 |
| Kiall | Anyway - Time is ticking on, 15 mins and I'd like to move onto TIm's topic. | 17:43 |
| Kiall | thanks for the info clarkb :) | 17:44 |
| Kiall | Any other Q's etc on this, let's sync up outside the meet. For now - I'll tell zigo that at a min, myself and mugsie can commit… | 17:44 |
| Kiall | Going to skip the next topic and move to tims.. | 17:44 |
| Kiall | #topic Agent Spec/Code Discussion (Tim) | 17:44 |
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| Kiall | timsim: You're up | 17:44 |
| timsim | It seems like few people had time to review the spec (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131530/3) so it seems like a bit of a push to get it in K1. If anyone can take a look at soon it that'd be great :) | 17:44 |
| timsim | I do have some WIP code for it, and if people aren't opposed to me putting it up I will (5 patchsets, 1k lines total :/). It is a bit premature with so little feedback on the spec. If there are issues with the spec, having the code out there seems semi-pointless. Thoughts? | 17:45 |
| mugsie | I think we can safely say K-1 will not ship with support for the old backends | 17:45 |
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| mugsie | and we can target the agent for early in K-2 | 17:45 |
| Kiall | timsim: I've read it, and believe it's fine, the proposal we made last week about support for IPA style backends would be an add-on to this - just needing some minor allowances for it | 17:46 |
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| mugsie | not opposed to the code going up either timsim :) | 17:46 |
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| betsy | timsim: I don’t see any problem with putting out the code even without the spec approved | 17:46 |
| rjrjr_ | agred | 17:46 |
| rjrjr_ | agreed | 17:46 |
| Kiall | mugsie: I think so, given time, and the other bugs blocked on switching central 100% to pools, I agree we need to break in k1 and fix in k2 | 17:46 |
| Kiall | betsy / timsim: I think it's even better if you do, since it can give a clearer understanding in some ways :) | 17:47 |
| timsim | Alright, it's quite young. | 17:47 |
| timsim | And it might be called "slappy" everywhere :x | 17:47 |
| Kiall | (As a general comment - Bearing in mind people may totally disagree and make you or someone else start over ;)) | 17:47 |
| timsim | Yeah, fair enough. | 17:47 |
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| Kiall | So - Making this decision impacts IPA support, and InfoBlox support in K1 (they have a driver up for review) | 17:48 |
| Kiall | I saw johnbelamaric join a towards the beginning of the meet | 17:48 |
| johnbelamaric | yep, i am here | 17:48 |
| johnbelamaric | got here a bit late | 17:48 |
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| timsim | I'm going to have to re-read the IPA stuff, I'm a little fuzzy on that. | 17:49 |
| Kiall | Okay - So, I'm guessing you guys are against breaking in K1 and fixing in K2? :) | 17:49 |
| johnbelamaric | Kiall: i pushed an update addressing your comments | 17:49 |
| Kiall | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 17:49 |
| Kiall | ^ release schedule for K1 and K2 | 17:49 |
| johnbelamaric | well, yes, but it's not urgent for us at this time, as long as it gets fixed in K2 | 17:49 |
| johnbelamaric | because no customers are going to pick it up on the active branch | 17:50 |
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| Kiall | ++ The commit would need to be a fix in K2 | 17:50 |
| Kiall | As a team, how do we feel about being able to make that commit? | 17:50 |
| mugsie | I think we can (and need) to do it | 17:50 |
| timsim | By Feb 5, I think that's reasonable. | 17:51 |
| rjrjr_ | agreed | 17:51 |
| vinod1 | +1 | 17:51 |
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| johnbelamaric | let me know if our team can help - we don't have a lot of bandwidth but could help out some if needed | 17:51 |
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| Kiall | It's also worth noting for any future cases like this - If we were an integrated, rather than incubated project.. This decision wouldn't be up to us.. It would be a hard "no, you can't do that" | 17:51 |
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| timsim | Maybe at that point, we would be allowed a feature-branch :P | 17:52 |
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| Kiall | johnbelamaric: excellent, I'm betting we'll need a little extra - especially around reliability fixes/testing the fix mid - late K2 | 17:52 |
| Kiall | timsim: check out the Neutron feature branches, and ask yourself if you want that rebase ;) | 17:53 |
| johnbelamaric | ok | 17:53 |
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| Kiall | timsim: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/compare/feature/lbaasv2...master | 17:53 |
| Kiall | "This page is taking way too long to load." | 17:53 |
| Kiall | That's how fun it's gonna be | 17:53 |
| mugsie | Kiall: not nesisaraly | 17:54 |
| timsim | :P Hopefully ours wouldn't be that bad. | 17:54 |
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| rjrjr_ | nah, we are better than that. 8^) | 17:54 |
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| mugsie | thats just bad management by the lbaas teams ;) | 17:54 |
| Kiall | ;) Anyway | 17:54 |
| timsim | Anyway, do we want to circle back to your other item Kiall, or do open discussion? | 17:54 |
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| Kiall | So - Any objections to the break fix before we move on? | 17:54 |
| timsim | Nope. | 17:54 |
| mugsie | nope | 17:54 |
| vinod1 | nope | 17:55 |
| betsy | zno | 17:55 |
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| johnbelamaric | no | 17:55 |
| betsy | No | 17:55 |
| rjrjr_ | no | 17:55 |
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| Kiall | Okay - That a full house of "no"'s for attendees. | 17:55 |
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| Kiall | The skipped topic was: | 17:55 |
| Kiall | #topic Periodic Sprints on Docs/Bugs/etc/etc (kiall) | 17:55 |
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| Kiall | timsim made a comment the other day that gave me an idea, we should organize a monthly or so half day (so we fit TZs in) sprint on things like docs/bug fixing/bug triage/planning/various other topics etc etc | 17:56 |
| timsim | Personally I think this would be super cool. | 17:56 |
| mugsie | yup - +2[3~ | 17:56 |
| mugsie | +2* | 17:57 |
| timsim | And a good precedent to set as the project grows. | 17:57 |
| vinod1 | +2 | 17:57 |
| betsy | +1 | 17:57 |
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| rjrjr_ | what is the venue? chat? | 17:57 |
| Kiall | Yep, I think it may even help newcomers join the project too, if any turn up, they have the whole group on hand for that half day and some clear + set goals for the day :) | 17:57 |
| betsy | Google hangout? | 17:57 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: I was thinking we could hold in Paris | 17:57 |
| Kiall | (kidding ;)) | 17:58 |
| rjrjr_ | i'm in. | 17:58 |
| timsim | Kiall +10000 | 17:58 |
| Kiall | Anyway - Other teams use IRC for it | 17:58 |
| betsy | kiall: +1 :) | 17:58 |
| Kiall | 2 mins - | 17:58 |
| Kiall | Think it about, get mgmt buy in if you like the idea, and come up with ideas for the sprints. moving on .. 2 mins left ;) | 17:58 |
| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:58 |
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| Kiall | Any other topics? | 17:58 |
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| mugsie | i am good | 17:59 |
| timsim | I'm good | 17:59 |
| vinod1 | i'm good too | 17:59 |
| rjrjr_ | just a statement, we demo'd the Horizon plugin on Monday. i'll have followup discussions about it later. | 17:59 |
| rjrjr_ | i'm good. | 17:59 |
| Kiall | rjrjr_: cool :) | 17:59 |
| betsy | Nothing from me | 17:59 |
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| Kiall | Thanks all :) | 17:59 |
| johnbelamaric | question - will you have a chance to review the infoblox backend, or do we wait for k2 | 17:59 |
| mugsie | rjrjr_: cool - just ping us with anything you guys have | 17:59 |
| mugsie | johnbelamaric: we should review it anyway | 18:00 |
| johnbelamaric | thanks! | 18:00 |
| mugsie | but might not merge it | 18:00 |
| johnbelamaric | ok | 18:00 |
| Kiall | johnbelamaric: Good Q - Review Yes, merge, probably not straight away - concentrating on K1 right now | 18:00 |
| johnbelamaric | thanks, works for me. | 18:00 |
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| Kiall | Okay, thanks all.. Trove will start beating me if we don't get out ;') | 18:00 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 10 18:00:43 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-12-10-16.59.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-12-10-16.59.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-12-10-16.59.log.html | 18:00 |
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| SlickNik | oh hai Kiall :) | 18:01 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting Trove | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 10 18:01:46 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| Kiall | SlickNik: :) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:01 |
| denis_makogon | o/ | 18:01 |
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| grapex_ | o/ | 18:01 |
| sgotliv | o/ | 18:01 |
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| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:02 |
| schang | o/ | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | Giving folks a couple of mins to trickle in | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | Agenda for today's meeting at: | 18:02 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting#Weekly_Trove_Team_Meeting | 18:02 |
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| SlickNik | Looks light — so will hopefully be quick. | 18:03 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | Let's get started | 18:03 |
| abramley | o/ | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | #topic Trove Kilo Mid-Cycle sprint update | 18:03 |
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| amrith | ./ | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | Just a quick update around logistics for the Mid-Cycle sprint | 18:04 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:04 |
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| SlickNik | I've updated the wiki page at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/TroveKiloSprint with more info | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | Added Location, and Hotel info. | 18:04 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/TroveKiloSprint | 18:04 |
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| amrith | SlickNik, any word on a block rate for hotels? | 18:05 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: I called a couple of them, and they weren't willing to do it :( | 18:06 |
| amrith | ok, no worries. thanks! | 18:06 |
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| denis_makogon | any luck with remote participation ? | 18:07 |
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| SlickNik | I've also set up an eventbrite page for registration at https://www.eventbrite.com/e/trove-mid-cycle-sprint-kilo-tickets-14892837879 | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/trove-mid-cycle-sprint-kilo-tickets-14892837879 | 18:07 |
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| SlickNik | Please register for the sprint if you're going to be able to make it. | 18:08 |
| SlickNik | That way we can have headcount. | 18:08 |
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| SlickNik | And more importantly tshirt sizes :) | 18:08 |
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| denis_makogon | can someone take S/M for me ?) | 18:09 |
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| SlickNik | #action Everyone coming to the mid-cycle sprint — please register at https://www.eventbrite.com/e/trove-mid-cycle-sprint-kilo-tickets-14892837879 | 18:10 |
| SlickNik | denis_makogon: sure thing. | 18:10 |
| esmute | SlickNik: even HP folks as well? | 18:11 |
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| SlickNik | esmute: Yes please. Everyone :) | 18:11 |
| esmute | ok. | 18:11 |
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| peterstac | o/ | 18:12 |
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| SlickNik | denis_makogon: Still working on figuring out the details for remote folks. | 18:13 |
| SlickNik | Will update the wiki page when I have more info. | 18:13 |
| denis_makogon | SlickNik, thanks, it's really great news for me! | 18:13 |
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| SlickNik | Any questions regarding this? I will send out an email on the ML for folks who were not able to make it to the IRC meeting. | 18:14 |
| SlickNik | But that's pretty much all I had for an update. | 18:14 |
| esmute | so how or who is deciding what the shirt is going to look like? | 18:14 |
| dougshelley66 | SlickNik - how are we going to determine the agenda? | 18:15 |
| esmute | im asking because i want something that i can wear not just when i sleep | 18:15 |
| amrith | let's have the t-shirt design be a spec in trove-specs | 18:15 |
| amrith | we can review it | 18:15 |
| danritchie | SlickNik, did you want to mention the Seattle computer museum visit for those interested? | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: I was thinking on etherpad — like we did for the design summit. | 18:15 |
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| amrith | maybe we can have alternative proposals for t-shirts | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | danritchie: ++ oh yes. | 18:15 |
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| dougshelley66 | esmute, clearly I shouldn't be involved in the t-shirt design :) | 18:16 |
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| SlickNik | danritchie is working on putting together a trip to the Seattle Computer Museum as one of the evening events. | 18:17 |
| grapex_ | I suggest hoodies | 18:17 |
| denis_makogon | oh, t-shirt designing, nice! | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | he's got some massive insider connections there from what I'm told. :) | 18:17 |
| clarkb | that place is awesome | 18:17 |
| grapex_ | with the hood somehow looking like the top of a treassure chest | 18:17 |
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| amrith | While in seattle, I'd like to see the slowly sinking patriot square | 18:17 |
| grapex_ | and the t-shirt could then just have spanish doubloons on it | 18:17 |
| amrith | and see how they're going to get to the tunnel digger. | 18:17 |
| danritchie | We also need a head count of those interested in the museum | 18:18 |
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| SlickNik | I'll add it to the RSVP questions. | 18:18 |
| SlickNik | And email the folks who've already RSVP'ed to ask them. | 18:19 |
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| esmute | it is a pretty cool place... you will see all kinds of computers from 3-4 decades ago and they are all in working condition | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | danritchie: is this the website? | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | http://www.livingcomputermuseum.org/ | 18:20 |
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| danritchie | yes indeed | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | #link http://www.livingcomputermuseum.org/ | 18:20 |
| amrith | nice! | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | As for the TShirt design — that's still in progress. (submissions welcome) | 18:21 |
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| SlickNik | I'll get an etherpad going for schedule topic suggestions. | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | And I'll make sure to leave some open "hacking" / work sessions. | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | I think those were very fruitful last mid-cycle. | 18:23 |
| denis_makogon | it'll be nice to know the priorities for topics | 18:23 |
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| SlickNik | denis_makogon: They'd be the same a trove priorities in Kilo — building out clusters + v2 replication. | 18:25 |
| SlickNik | But folks can propose any topic, and others can put their name by it if it sounds interesting. | 18:25 |
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| SlickNik | Similar to the process we had for the design summit. | 18:25 |
| SlickNik | That way it's fairly flexible in case some folks want to propose a new idea or spec. | 18:26 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, any other questions before we move on? | 18:27 |
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| SlickNik | . | 18:27 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:27 |
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| amrith | yes | 18:28 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: go for it. | 18:28 |
| amrith | thanks SlickNik ... | 18:28 |
| amrith | I'd like to rebase all the oslo-incubator and decrepit modules changes | 18:28 |
| amrith | and make them dependent on each other as a chain ... | 18:28 |
| amrith | that will make the reviews and merges easier | 18:29 |
| amrith | without having to rebase each time. | 18:29 |
| amrith | Is that ok with reviewers. | 18:29 |
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| SlickNik | That's okay by me. | 18:30 |
| amrith | thanks | 18:31 |
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| amrith | that's it for me. | 18:31 |
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| SlickNik | Anything else for open discussion? | 18:32 |
| vipul | oh yes -- the Cue midcycle conveniently happens to be on the same dates | 18:32 |
| vipul | so we can join your awesome parties ;D | 18:32 |
| edmondk | perfect! | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | vipul: Oh! Thank you for bringing that up. | 18:33 |
| esmute | vipul: how about 2 parties ? ;) | 18:33 |
| bartash | Good time of day. I'm Alex, just joined "Mirantis". Currently joined Trove project (familiarizing at the moment) | 18:33 |
| amrith | What's Cue? | 18:33 |
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| SlickNik | bartash: Nice to meet you! | 18:33 |
| vipul | amrith: that's cold | 18:33 |
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| amrith | welcome Alex | 18:34 |
| bartash | Nice to meet you everyone:) | 18:34 |
| amrith | well Vipul, I was wondering whether to ask "What's Cue" or ask "Who's Vipul". I picked the first ;) | 18:34 |
| danritchie | welcome bartash! | 18:34 |
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| vipul | amrith: glad you still remember me :P | 18:34 |
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| amrith | ;) | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | bartash: Let us know if you have any questions while coming up to speed. Will be happy to help. | 18:35 |
| amrith | SlickNik, ... one more thing ... | 18:35 |
| amrith | For those who are local (Seattle) and those flying in early for mid-cycle | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | #action SlickNik to sync with vipul on cue attendee rsvps / count | 18:36 |
| amrith | On Monday (February 2nd) there's an OpenStack Seattle Meetup. | 18:36 |
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| amrith | Would be good to go and have a nice showing of Trove folks there. Am working on that with the organizers. | 18:36 |
| amrith | I will share details in upcoming weeks | 18:37 |
| amrith | but for people planning travel, if you get there early, this may be of interest. | 18:37 |
| amrith | <EOF> | 18:37 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: There's usually a decent contingent of HP folks (trove, or otherwise) at the Seattle OpenStack meetups. | 18:37 |
| SlickNik | Sounds good. | 18:38 |
| bartash | SlickNik: Well, I'll probably ask any questions next time, as I just started to work with Trove. | 18:38 |
| amrith | SlickNik, the meetup was to be last week of Jan | 18:38 |
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| amrith | We worked with them and had them move it to first week of Feb | 18:38 |
| amrith | so we could have a trove presence there ;) | 18:38 |
| vipul | bartash: what timezone are you in? | 18:38 |
| SlickNik | bartash: Ask away on #openstack-trove. THere's usually always someone there who can help out / answer. | 18:38 |
| SlickNik | amrith: Nice | 18:39 |
| bartash | vipul: GMT+2 (Kharkov, Ukraine) | 18:39 |
| amrith | Maybe we can ask that guy (what's his name, Vipul) to talk about this new thing. Clue, is it? | 18:39 |
| bartash | SlickNik: Ok, I got it. | 18:39 |
| amrith | ;) | 18:39 |
| vipul | sounds about right | 18:39 |
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| SlickNik | It was Mrs Peacock, in the billiard room with the rope. | 18:40 |
| amrith | at this rate it is going to be Vipul with a vengence on my head ;) | 18:40 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, that's all I've got. Anything else for open discussion? | 18:40 |
| vipul | looking forward to Feb ;) | 18:40 |
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| SlickNik | . | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 10 18:41:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-12-10-18.01.html | 18:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-12-10-18.01.txt | 18:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2014/trove.2014-12-10-18.01.log.html | 18:41 |
| SlickNik | Thanks all | 18:41 |
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| grapex_ | Thanks SlickNik! | 18:41 |
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| amrith | thanks SlickNik | 18:42 |
| cp16net | thx | 18:42 |
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| sbalukoff | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Dec 10 20:00:04 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sbalukoff. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| TrevorV | \o | 20:00 |
| barclaac|2 | o/ | 20:00 |
| jorgem | o/ | 20:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:00 |
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| sbalukoff | Here's the agenda for today: | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Agenda | 20:00 |
| xgerman | o/ | 20:00 |
| xgerman | sbalukoff we just reviewed | 20:00 |
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| sbalukoff | It's short as I'm anticipating a pretty short meeting so people can get back to the Neutron LBaaS split stuff. | 20:01 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff that and we're having the hackathon next week where A LOT will happen | 20:01 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. | 20:01 |
| TrevorV | I figured this one should be short as well | 20:01 |
| blogan | hello! | 20:01 |
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| sbalukoff | #topic Octavia hack-a-thon next week (reminder) | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Octavia hack-a-thon next week (reminder) (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:01 | |
| sbalukoff | Speaking of which... | 20:01 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:01 |
| sbalukoff | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-kilo-meetup | 20:02 |
| xgerman | I think HP will host dinner on Thursday (still working on the budget) | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | Again, if you have topics you'd like to see white-boarded, please add them to that list. | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | I'm assuming if you're going, you've RSVPed at this point. :) | 20:02 |
| barclaac|2 | Thursday is looking tough. It may need to be Tuesday. | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Rad! | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | Either or. | 20:02 |
| barclaac|2 | We're running into xmas party season. everywhere is booked up | 20:02 |
| xgerman | what barclaac|2 said | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | My plan is to be at HP's offices each day around 9:00am. | 20:02 |
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| blogan | im not going to be there thursday night! | 20:02 |
| blogan | jerks | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:03 |
| jorgem | good planning | 20:03 |
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| TrevorV | blogan read the messages, they said Tuesday instead | 20:03 |
| blogan | i was catching up | 20:03 |
| TrevorV | :D | 20:03 |
| blogan | had to immediately respond | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | Heh! | 20:03 |
| blogan | i retract my jerk comment | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, let's keep going... | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Brief Progress reports | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief Progress reports (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:03 | |
| TrevorV | I have one thing to ask about, but its not a priority for the hackathon (I don't think) | 20:03 |
| TrevorV | I'll go first if you don't mind | 20:04 |
| TrevorV | I still need eyes on the Octavia API documentation | 20:04 |
| sbalukoff | I don't want to call out individual people this week in the interests of time, and in light of the fact that we're all either working on reviews or working on the Neutron split. | 20:04 |
| sbalukoff | Go for it. | 20:04 |
| TrevorV | Brandon gave some good feedback this morning that I'm working on | 20:04 |
| TrevorV | After that I still need other eyes hopefully | 20:04 |
| sbalukoff | #action Review all the things | 20:04 |
| sbalukoff | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/stackforge/octavia+status:open,n,z | 20:05 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136499 | 20:05 |
| TrevorV | Oh... that's a better link | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, TrevorV. I should have time to give you more feedback today. | 20:05 |
| blogan | yes | 20:05 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132904/ | 20:05 |
| TrevorV | Alright awesome sbalukoff thanks | 20:05 |
| TrevorV | I think I still have changes to make on the nova driver implementation review as well, but still could use reviews there too | 20:05 |
| blogan | the controller review shoudl be priority next week | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | FWIW, obviously the work being done at the Neutron hack-a-thon is a Big Deal. | 20:05 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133108 | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | So, while that's going on, people should help out as they can. | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | But keep in mind we also want to hit next week running. | 20:06 |
| xgerman | +10 | 20:06 |
| TrevorV | +1 | 20:06 |
| johnsom | Agreed on the controller. I hope to have an updated patch set up today. Still need to merge base image code though | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | So maybe Friday, if people could spend some time reviewing Octavia blueprints, gerrit reviews, and the whiteboard discussion topics, that would be great. | 20:07 |
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| sbalukoff | And yes, especially the controller-- this is something that needs to see significant progress next week. | 20:07 |
| TrevorV | Which I suspect is going to happen | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | Does anyone else have progress reports they'd like to share at this time? | 20:08 |
| xgerman | sballe ask me to share the following: | 20:08 |
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| xgerman | I am working on the bp: scheduler in the controller. I ahve made some progress around anti-affinity and I am going to look at HA models. I plan to send out an email or a google doc draft soon for review | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | Cool beans. | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | Thanks, sballe! | 20:09 |
| TrevorV | awesome sballe via xgerman | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | Ok... moving on... | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | #topic Open Discussion | 20:09 |
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| TrevorV | Alright, I have one thing to address specifically | 20:09 |
| TrevorV | And one thing that's important to the hackathon | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | Go for it. | 20:09 |
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| johnsom | Question about the whole graphviz thing. The arch diagram for the controller looks horrible with GraphViz. | 20:10 |
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| * TrevorV glares at johnsom.... | 20:10 | |
| TrevorV | ha ha just kidding | 20:10 |
| * rm_work prefers BlockDiag series, but I think either is allowed | 20:10 | |
| xgerman | yeah, my 2 year old does better graphs with crayons | 20:10 |
| TrevorV | Dang xgerman shots fired | 20:10 |
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| TrevorV | Do we have a resident GraphViz authority? | 20:11 |
| rm_work | that'd be sbalukoff | 20:11 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: Feel free to use another supported graphing format. But note that binary images aren't allowed because it's very difficult for others to effectively review / allter them. | 20:11 |
| TrevorV | Legit? Didn't know that | 20:11 |
| johnsom | Min was helping me out with a graphviz version, but neither of us can really get it to be readable. | 20:11 |
| blogan | would blockdiag accomplish the same thing? | 20:11 |
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| dougwig | o/, sorry i'm late | 20:11 |
| sbalukoff | Hi dougwig. We | 20:11 |
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| johnsom | The only openstack docs I could find listed PNG with the image tag. Does someone have a link to the list of supported formats? | 20:11 |
| sbalukoff | are trying to keep the meeting short today. :) | 20:11 |
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| blogan | i feel like blockdiag is better for reviews, i dont know if its any better looking | 20:11 |
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| sbalukoff | johnsom: A list is in specs/template.rst | 20:12 |
| TrevorV | Would there be a problem making ascii diagrams? | 20:12 |
| TrevorV | I can do those like a boss | 20:12 |
| sbalukoff | Though I don't know that it's definitive. | 20:12 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: That's essentially the same thing as a blockdiag. And yes, go for it. | 20:12 |
| TrevorV | Awesome! I didn't know that... :D | 20:13 |
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| xgerman | we should totally allow turtle and logo | 20:14 |
| johnsom | Alright, we will try out blockdiag and if all else fails, do an asciiflow | 20:14 |
| TrevorV | Alright, so first thing that's a real concern here: who is going to host the remote connection for the hackathon, and how can we get it set up before hand and tested so we don't waste time doing it day one? | 20:14 |
| xgerman | we will set up a laptop with a web cam | 20:14 |
| johnsom | xgerman: logo, nice... | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Is the plan to use google hangout or cisco webex for that? | 20:15 |
| barclaac|2 | Is inkscape supported - outputs SVG? | 20:15 |
| xgerman | google hangout | 20:15 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff xgerman my personal preference would probably be a hangout | 20:15 |
| TrevorV | Webex was fairly unclear under most circumstances | 20:15 |
| xgerman | that;s ours as well | 20:15 |
| rm_work | if that doesn't work, we can set up something easily with Vidyo too for rackers... | 20:15 |
| sbalukoff | Mine too, so long as we have few enough remote participants. | 20:15 |
| rm_work | for once it actually seems pretty simple to do | 20:15 |
| johnsom | The template.rst says: If you require an image (screenshot) for your BP, attaching that to the BP | 20:15 |
| johnsom | and checking it in is also accepted. | 20:15 |
| TrevorV | rm_work forgot about that | 20:15 |
| xgerman | sbalukoff we have a corporate license so 15 is the new max | 20:15 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: That's intended for UI design | 20:16 |
| TrevorV | xgerman I think we'll have an actual room for ours so we might just have one connected anyway | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Great! | 20:16 |
| TrevorV | Rather than all of us individually | 20:16 |
| johnsom | SVG seems the same as PNG to me. I can easily export SVG. | 20:16 |
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| johnsom | sbalukoff: actually that is the diagram paragraph | 20:16 |
| rm_work | SVG is not binary | 20:17 |
| rm_work | so | 20:17 |
| rm_work | :P | 20:17 |
| sbalukoff | So here are the requirements for diagrams: | 20:17 |
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| xgerman | make it in gerrit so we can +/-1 | 20:17 |
| sbalukoff | * Must be able to review / edit using standard gerrit tools (ie. 'diff' does something useful) | 20:17 |
| sbalukoff | * Must be able to be built into actual images by the doc build process. | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | Beyond that, I don't care. | 20:18 |
| blogan | well it would be nice to standardize so taht we don't have learn how to read 50 different formats | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | I specifically want to avoid the scenario where we're checking binary crap into gerrit, or where one person has a master source file that never gets checked into gerrit. | 20:18 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff: Grin, so png is fine as gerrit and the doc render tools accept it. We will keep messing with these tools. I just hate burning so much time on less than readable file formats. | 20:19 |
| blogan | johnsom: no one can comment on specific parts of a png though | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: +1 | 20:20 |
| barclaac|2 | Ahem - svg... | 20:20 |
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| barclaac|2 | If you truly want to view the text, you're welcome. | 20:20 |
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| xgerman | postscript? | 20:20 |
| TrevorV | ascii diagram? | 20:21 |
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| xgerman | nah, postscript is a programming language :-) | 20:21 |
| mwang2 | ascii diagram for some image is very hard to read | 20:21 |
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| blogan | i think openstack standardizes on ascii and blockdiag | 20:21 |
| blogan | for specs | 20:21 |
| TrevorV | mwang2 trust me, I can get it all pretty... It might not match the 80 char limit though :D | 20:21 |
| xgerman | so graphviz was never in | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | So... use the "right" format for the image you're producing. It would be silly to use GraphViz for a web sequence diagram, for example. | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: What do you mean? | 20:22 |
| TrevorV | mwang2 I did it every day in my programming classes in college :D | 20:22 |
| xgerman | just expanding on blogan | 20:22 |
| xgerman | anyhow, can we take that to gerrit | 20:22 |
| mwang2 | TrevorV how do you draw diagonal | 20:22 |
| mwang2 | line | 20:22 |
| blogan | so neutron accepts asciiflow, blockdiag, actdiag, nwdiag, and seqdiag | 20:23 |
| TrevorV | mwang2 very carefully ha ha ha. | 20:23 |
| xgerman | I don't think we will get a conclusion here + need it in the rst | 20:23 |
| sbalukoff | And we support all those and GraphViz. | 20:23 |
| TrevorV | mwang2 I can talk to you about it later, or work with you on it if needed, kk? | 20:23 |
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| blogan | yep | 20:23 |
| TrevorV | Okay my last concern is code documenation | 20:23 |
| TrevorV | documentation*** | 20:23 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:24 |
| TrevorV | Last I knew there needs to be documentation throughout the code, right? As a requirement to be in Openstack at least? | 20:24 |
| TrevorV | When should we start working on that? | 20:24 |
| sbalukoff | But I really don't want to allow binary or 'machine-generated' formats (like postscript) for the same reason we don't do specs as .pdf's. | 20:24 |
| xgerman | you have the power to -2 | 20:24 |
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| sbalukoff | xgerman: Yes, and this is why I'm saying this now, so people won't be surprised when they get a -2. | 20:25 |
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| sbalukoff | TrevorV: So, we're already doing some of that. | 20:25 |
| sbalukoff | I seem to recall we've been requiring docstrings in most code we've written. | 20:26 |
| sbalukoff | That which doesn't have this, is usually code imported from another project. | 20:26 |
| * xgerman was changing postscript in a text editor | 20:26 | |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: Are you thinking of anything specific that doesn't have this? | 20:26 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: And I've edited sendmail.mc files by hand too. I wouldn't recommend it. | 20:27 |
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| TrevorV | sbalukoff my nova driver doesn't have doc strings that I remember... | 20:28 |
| TrevorV | I mean, I guess I could have done it unknowingly | 20:28 |
| TrevorV | ha ha | 20:28 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: I recommend adding docstrings to your nova driver. :) | 20:29 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff hey thanks! Ha ha, I don't suppose you could -1 in the review with that suggestion at some point today, could ya? | 20:29 |
| sbalukoff | But to answer your question: If you see code that isn't documented properly (that wasn't imported from another project), then please feel free to add said documentation immediately or bring it to others' attention. | 20:29 |
| sbalukoff | Keeping the code documented is going to be easier if we do it as we write it. | 20:30 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: Will do. | 20:30 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, does anyone have anything else for the group today? | 20:31 |
| sbalukoff | Going once... | 20:31 |
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| sbalukoff | Going twice... | 20:32 |
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| sbalukoff | #endmeeting | 20:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Dec 10 20:32:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:32 |
| sbalukoff | Thanks folks! | 20:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2014/octavia.2014-12-10-20.00.html | 20:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2014/octavia.2014-12-10-20.00.txt | 20:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2014/octavia.2014-12-10-20.00.log.html | 20:32 |
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