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| dhellmann | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 23 16:00:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping for jd__, dims, bnemec, flaper87, harlowja, viktors, rpodolyaka, zzzeek, sileht, kgiusti, dansmith | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping for redrobot, jungleboyj, zhiyan, therve, amotoki, GheRivero, bknudson, ihrachyshka, jogo, dougwig, sreshetnyak, amrith | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
| jecarey | o/ | 16:00 |
| bnemec | o/ | 16:00 |
| dansmith | I'm here, but on another call | 16:00 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 16:01 |
| sileht | o/ | 16:01 |
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| flaper87 | have I said enough I thank infinitely this courtesy pings? | 16:01 |
| flaper87 | these* | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: I stole that idea from ttx | 16:01 |
| dstanek | hi | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj_ | It is a good one. | 16:02 |
| bnemec | +1 | 16:02 |
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| dhellmann | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:03 | |
| dhellmann | #info dhellmann set up specs repo to accept liberty specs - DONE | 16:03 |
| flaper87 | ttx:++ | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | our specs repo is set up to receive proposals for the liberty cycle | 16:03 |
| ihrachyshka | o/ | 16:03 |
| amrith | o/ | 16:03 |
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| dhellmann | if you had an idea for a summit session that warrants a spec, please submit one before we start reviewing session proposals | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:03 | |
| dhellmann | how are things looking this week? | 16:03 |
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| ihrachyshka | dhellmann, we need new oslo.db release to apply retry decorator in neutron | 16:04 |
| bknudson | haven't seen any issues in keystone. | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: we're waiting for the current gate issue to settle down and for a fix in nova, but that is a high priority for us this week | 16:04 |
| * bknudson wonders about oslo.policy status. | 16:04 | |
| jungleboyj | Good. I have many patches up to get Cinder's incubator code updated. Going to wrap that up this week. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | Then moving to oslo.log. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | Library. | 16:04 |
| amrith | quick update from trove land. we had been using several old (graduated and obsolete) libraries. we are now almost current (TM) | 16:04 |
| amrith | another oslo sync pre-kilo is planned | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: we identified some missing API components when we reviewed the changes in keystone, so we will need another release before we make a public release. See my comments on the keystone review | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | I like it: almost current (TM) | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj: ++ | 16:05 |
| ihrachyshka | also it would be great if someone chime in at neutron review at: https://review.openstack.org/155412 and confirm it's a correct step in making eventlet usage not insane | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | amrith: \o/ | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Has anyone moved to using the config generator from the oslo.config library? | 16:05 |
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| bknudson | eventlet usage is generally insane. | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: bnemec is probably the best person to look at that | 16:05 |
| amrith | almost current (TM) is part of my collection of similarly useful terms like "just works (TM)" ;) | 16:05 |
| bknudson | jungleboyj: keystone uses config generator. | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj: I believe so. Are you seeing issues? | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | bknudson: The new one in the oslo.config library? | 16:06 |
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| ihrachyshka | bknudson, ok, less insane | 16:06 |
| bknudson | jungleboyj: yes. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | bknudson: Cool. | 16:06 |
| inc0 | hello all, have you closed agenda already? | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | dhellmann: No, just wanted to an example to work from to make sure I was going in the right direction. :-) | 16:06 |
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| dhellmann | jungleboyj: cool | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | inc0: we should have an open discussion session at the end of the meeting | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:07 |
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| dhellmann | any other reports from liaisons? | 16:08 |
| bnemec | ihrachyshka: It sounds reasonable. I'll take a closer look after the meeting. | 16:09 |
| ihrachyshka | bnemec++ | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | let's keep moving | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | #topic Releases for this week | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases for this week (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:10 | |
| dhellmann | we have quite a backlog, prepare for pastebomb | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/178644/ | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | #info oslo.concurrency stops using namespace package for oslo.i18n | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | #info oslo.config has a fix to remove a lot of deprecation warnings | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | #info oslo.db was delayed from last week | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | #info oslo.log also removes namespace package imports | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | #info oslo.messaging was delayed from last week | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | #info oslo.middleware has a packaging fix | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | #info oslo.vmware has several bug fixes | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | #info oslotest now uses a higher maxDiff value | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | the oslo.db release is known to break nova right now, so rpodolyaka and sdague are looking into that | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | sileht: how is oslo.messaging looking, is that ready or is there something you think we'll land today that we need? | 16:11 |
| bnemec | oslo.config logs deprecated options \o/ | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | fwiw, that pastebin with the changes was prepared friday, so it may be slightly out of date if we merged anything over the weekend | 16:11 |
| sileht | dhellmann, I think yes (just comeback from vacation) | 16:11 |
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| dhellmann | sileht: ok, are you going to be around for a bit after the meeting to check before I release it? I know we have at least one project waiting on it. | 16:12 |
| sileht | dhellmann, yes | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | I'll be holding off until the gate looks clear, so we have a little time | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | sileht: ok, thanks, can you let me know in #openstack-oslo? | 16:12 |
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| sileht | sure | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | as far as I can tell, all of the others are ready to go | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | sileht: thanks | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | liaisons, keep an eye out for unit tests breaking in your apps as the releases roll out today and tomorrow | 16:14 |
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| ihrachyshka | ack | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | #topic summit planning | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-oslo-summit-planning | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "summit planning (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:14 | |
| dhellmann | we're up to 18 topics, which is likely to mean some merging or dropping | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | but please don't let that stop you from adding something to the list | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | the room allocations aren't set yet, and I've put in a request but can change it, I think | 16:15 |
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| harlowja_at_home | \o i made its! ha | 16:15 |
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| dhellmann | again, don't forget to file a spec if it's appropriate for your session | 16:15 |
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| dhellmann | are there any questions or comments about the summit planning? | 16:16 |
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| dhellmann | ok, moving on then | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | #topic Ongoing work & Review priorities | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/next-kilo | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | #link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/kilo-3 | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | Is anyone blocked on work we prioritized for this release? | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ongoing work & Review priorities (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:17 | |
| harlowja_at_home | not me | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | we have several in-progress bugs under next-kilo that look like they could use reviews | 16:18 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: how's the debtcollector blueprint coming along, are those infra and devstack-gate patches moving through? | 16:18 |
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| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, oh good point; they are moving i think, slowly but surely | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: ok, cool | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll poke some devstack people today, might make it move faster | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | let's see if we can close out some of the in-progress bugs this week | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | other than that, I think we're looking pretty good for this point in the cycle | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | did we decide want to decide on the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157608/ (??) or similar, or let that get discussed some more | 16:21 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: good question. We need to talk about that more on the mailing list, I think. | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:21 |
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| bknudson | fds should default to CLOEXEC. | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: yeah, the service code doesn't exec though | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | it just forks | 16:22 |
| dhellmann | it's creating worker processes, I think | 16:22 |
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| dhellmann | so rather than running N copies of a service as separate commands, you configure how many workers you want and it forks to create them | 16:22 |
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| bknudson | ahh... | 16:23 |
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| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157608/ seems like a good idea then. | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | I liked the suggestion of building a new version of the service base class that uses subprocess and does some other smarter things, so we can have a different API | 16:23 |
| bknudson | (could use a test!) | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: one issue with that is that in some cases we know "safe" ways to close those sockets, and so it would be better to use those routes or never open the connection until after the fork | 16:24 |
| bnemec | Would https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157608/ work as a "for now" solution and then we can rearchitect Service at our leisure? | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: have you tried putting that code into any of the other projects as a test? | 16:25 |
| bnemec | Yeah^ | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | not yet :-/ | 16:25 |
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| bnemec | I'm a little worried that services might be relying on the bad behavior. | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | ok, we should definitely do that before we land it in the incubator | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | the incubator tests do not exercise some of that code as well as the devstack tests will | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | agreed | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: right | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://hg.python.org/releasing/2.7.9/file/753a8f457ddc/Lib/multiprocessing/util.py#l161 (do people know if that public); this is the registry of after fork things... | 16:26 |
| dims | o/ sorry for the delay | 16:26 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: I don't see it in the docs, so I don't think so. | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | the fundamental issue with the service code is it takes a Manager instance as argument, and the Manager is holding an open database connection. That means the script that creates the service has already connected to the database by the time it asks to fork. | 16:28 |
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| dhellmann | someone suggested we replace that fork() with having systemd launch multiple copies, but that's not a backwards-compatible change so I don't know what we'd need to do to move to that | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | someone else suggested using multiprocessing, which would close the descriptors for us | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | but I also think we should think about whether we can avoid having the connection opened before the fork in the first place | 16:29 |
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| harlowja_at_home | agreed | 16:30 |
| bknudson | it's weird that register_after_fork() isn't documented... seems handy | 16:30 |
| bknudson | used internally? | 16:30 |
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| dhellmann | bknudson: yeah, I think so | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | there's no docstring, which is a pretty big signal that it's meant for internal use | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | we can finish that conversation on the mailing list | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 16:32 |
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| dhellmann | inc0: you had something to bring up? | 16:32 |
| inc0 | yeah, versionedobjects release | 16:32 |
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| inc0 | dansmith, any plans for that? anything we can do to accelerate it? | 16:33 |
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| dansmith | inc0: I'm working on the namespacing issue that will impact nova right now | 16:33 |
| inc0 | we have patches for cinder and heat waiting:) | 16:33 |
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| inc0 | ah, I was thinking to takie it, wanna help with this one? | 16:33 |
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| dims | any liaisons looking at oslo.log usage? | 16:34 |
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| dansmith | inc0: I think that is the last thing I need to do | 16:34 |
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| bknudson | dims: oslo.log use is already merged in keystone | 16:34 |
| inc0 | we're going to fill README and so on | 16:34 |
| dims | bknudson: thanks! | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | dims: how's that nova patch, did that merge? | 16:34 |
| dansmith | dhellmann: is the plan to mark this first release as "alpha" or something in case we hit something that needs a breaking change? | 16:34 |
| dims | dhellmann: y last night | 16:34 |
| inc0 | there are few things like that | 16:34 |
| bknudson | dims: thank stevemar | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | dansmith: for oslo.policy and oslo.log we did a soft 0.1.0 release without an announcement so we could test integration patches. We can do the same for versionedobjects | 16:35 |
| dansmith | dhellmann: I think everyone getting ready to consume this is aware that it's a thing to keep track of | 16:35 |
| dims | dansmith: dhellmann: yes, +1 | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | dims: We have a patch up to use it. I just need to get incubator cleaned up first. | 16:35 |
| dansmith | dhellmann: cool, let's do that | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | dims: Hope to be moving to it in the next week or two. | 16:35 |
| dims | jungleboyj: cool | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | dansmith: we can prevent projects from fully adopting it by leaving it out of the global requirements list | 16:36 |
| ihrachyshka | btw I forgot to mention that I attempt to introduce common oslo_* namespace checks in hacking: https://review.openstack.org/157894 | 16:36 |
| dims | ihrachyshka: nice segway, nova is totally clean now of namespaces! | 16:36 |
| dims | "Segue" | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: ok | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | dims: very good, even some of the oslo libs aren't clean yet :-) | 16:37 |
| dims | :) | 16:37 |
| ihrachyshka | the idea is to have two checks - one for stable, another one for kilo+ | 16:37 |
| ihrachyshka | hacking bumps are explicit, so not a problem | 16:37 |
| inc0 | I just want to have it asap so we can have review going | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: do we ever update the version of hacking used in stable branches? | 16:38 |
| inc0 | to merge as much as possible in kilo | 16:38 |
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| ihrachyshka | dhellmann, with those checks, we will (to be able to consume it) though I expect us to disable any new checks other than oslo one | 16:38 |
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| dhellmann | inc0: I'm not sure we set a goal of wide adoption during kilo. | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: ok | 16:39 |
| ihrachyshka | dhellmann, btw we already got an issue due to a backport with new namespaces | 16:39 |
| bnemec | Only patch version updates can go into stable branches. | 16:39 |
| ihrachyshka | dhellmann, so I decided to be proactive before we merge more | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | ihrachyshka: I saw something about that, where was it? One of the clients, right? | 16:39 |
| ihrachyshka | dhellmann, nope, server. a sec | 16:39 |
| inc0 | dhellmann, many projects wants to have versionedobjects implemented somwhere else before they implement these themselves | 16:40 |
| ihrachyshka | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1420335 | 16:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1420335 in Cinder "cinder is testing with non-namespaced oslo_i18n in Juno" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to John Griffith (john-griffith) | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | inc0: and I want to get it right, so we're not going to rush | 16:40 |
| ihrachyshka | bnemec, that's negotiable, we have a good case to actually bump | 16:40 |
| dims | sileht: dhellmann: one more from me, i was trying to remove rpc aliases and ran into issues with grenade (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158169/). discussion with sdague, raised a question, do we generate DeprecationWarning for old aliases in config files? | 16:40 |
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| inc0 | dhellmann, sure thing:) but forgive me if I remind that every few days;) | 16:41 |
| ihrachyshka | dims, why do we remove those? | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | inc0: really, we're working on it, so there's no need to do that :-) | 16:41 |
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| dims | ihrachyshka: there are no nova modules of that name anymore | 16:41 |
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| inc0 | I know I know, dont blame me for excitement :( | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | dims: I don't think we ever put anything in place to emit deprecation | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | inc0: :-) | 16:41 |
| ihrachyshka | dims, that's fine, but this does not mean anything, afaik aliases are for backwards compatibility | 16:42 |
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| ihrachyshka | dims, so they are just converted into proper values | 16:42 |
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| dims | ihrachyshka: i know, trying remove old cruft | 16:42 |
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| ihrachyshka | dims, it does not look like a piece of code of hard maintenance, so better leave for compat | 16:42 |
| ihrachyshka | dims, potentially breaking someone | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | dims: I guess we would need to add something to oslo.messaging to log a warning if one of those alias names is used? | 16:43 |
| dims | dhellmann: correct | 16:43 |
| sileht | dims, dhellmann +1 | 16:43 |
| dims | dhellmann: so we can remove later | 16:43 |
| ihrachyshka | +1 | 16:43 |
| ihrachyshka | no removal before a cycle of warnings I guess | 16:43 |
| dims | yep | 16:43 |
| bnemec | can we convert the aliases to deprecated opts? | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | sileht: I thought at some point we had those names in the oslo.messaging setup.cfg. Am I thinking of something else? | 16:43 |
| dims | bnemec: that would work for keys not values | 16:44 |
| bnemec | dims: Ah, okay | 16:44 |
| * bnemec is hearing about this for the first time | 16:44 | |
| dhellmann | dims: we should probably have a bug to track this | 16:44 |
| dims | dhellmann: i was poking at it this AM, will open a bug | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | sounds good | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | is there anything else we need to discuss this week? | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | if not we can stop a few minutes early and spend time reviewing patches :-) | 16:45 |
| dims | yay :) | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | ok, thanks everyone! | 16:46 |
| amrith | thx dhellmann | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 16:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 23 16:46:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-02-23-16.00.html | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-02-23-16.00.txt | 16:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-02-23-16.00.log.html | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:46 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello L2-GW folks | 17:59 |
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| yamahata | hi! | 18:00 |
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| Sukhdev | waiting for others to show up | 18:00 |
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| Sukhdev | yamahata: Looks like there is some confusion about the timing. I do not see anybody signed on | 18:03 |
| yamahata | Yeah, I suppose many missed time change announce... | 18:03 |
| yamahata | Actually I noticed it from wiki page at first. | 18:04 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata: I am thinking on the same lines | 18:04 |
| yamahata | Then I checked openstack-dev. | 18:04 |
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| Sukhdev | Perhaps we can cancel it today and move to next week | 18:04 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata: Did you have anything to discuss today? | 18:05 |
| yamahata | I don't have anything today. | 18:05 |
| Sukhdev | BTW, did you have a chance to play with the code yet? | 18:05 |
| yamahata | Unfortunately not yet. Recently I'm busy with port-security extension. | 18:05 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata: yes, I saw your patch | 18:06 |
| yamahata | I vote for summit presentation. | 18:06 |
| yamahata | I suppose it would land in several weeks at worst. | 18:06 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata: good | 18:06 |
| yamahata | then I switch to L2gw staff. | 18:06 |
| Sukhdev | I am also in similar situation. I have asked few fellow developers to review L2 GW code - | 18:07 |
| Sukhdev | It is looking good | 18:07 |
| yamahata | the overall design looks good. so the remaining issue is tests/code quality, I suppose. | 18:08 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata: correct | 18:08 |
| yamahata | Those thing can be fixed later without big difficulty. | 18:08 |
| Sukhdev | that is where we can help | 18:08 |
| yamahata | Definitively. | 18:09 |
| Sukhdev | if more and more of us jump in to test it, we can nail down the issues quickly | 18:09 |
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| Sukhdev | So, lets cancel today's meeting - | 18:09 |
| yamahata | Yea, we can use time more productively. :-) | 18:09 |
| Sukhdev | I will ping folks later, when they are up and figure out the time and post it on wiki | 18:10 |
| yamahata | thanks. bye | 18:10 |
| Sukhdev | Have fun - see you next time | 18:10 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 18:10 |
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| davidlenwell | #startmeeting refstack | 18:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 23 18:59:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is davidlenwell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 18:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 18:59 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 18:59 |
| davidlenwell | agenda: recap from face to face, uuid progress, pending reviews, news from david, open discussion | 19:00 |
| pvaneck | o/ | 19:00 |
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| vladiskuz_ | o/ | 19:02 |
| catherineD | o/ | 19:02 |
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| zehicle | o/ | 19:03 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. I think we have enough to get started.. | 19:04 |
| davidlenwell | #topic recap from face to face | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "recap from face to face (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:04 | |
| catherineD | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack_f2f_feb_2015 | 19:04 |
| davidlenwell | aww you beet me to it ;) | 19:04 |
| davidlenwell | We covered a lot of ground on wednesday.. | 19:04 |
| zehicle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack_f2f_feb_2015 | 19:05 |
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| sslypushenko__ | o/ | 19:05 |
| davidlenwell | We started with reviewing the stated refstack usecases that zehicle and I came up with together when we kicked this thing off | 19:05 |
| davidlenwell | decided what was still relevant and what was already addressed | 19:06 |
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| davidlenwell | Then we took a hard look at what was still remaining | 19:06 |
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| davidlenwell | we then tried to decide on our next set of goals.. | 19:07 |
| davidlenwell | if you scroll towards the bottom you can see what we decided the next set of priorities are.. each item lists the names of folks of people who are likely to do the work.. | 19:08 |
| davidlenwell | we tried to make sure everyone has stuff to do .. | 19:08 |
| davidlenwell | Please take the time to review this doc if you haven't already and feild any questions to catherine or myself in channel | 19:08 |
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| zehicle | davidlenwell, do we have this prioritized? | 19:09 |
| zehicle | is it roughly in order? | 19:10 |
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| davidlenwell | roughly it is in order yes | 19:10 |
| zehicle | ok | 19:10 |
| davidlenwell | however none of it is set in stone | 19:10 |
| zehicle | understood | 19:11 |
| zehicle | good to have use c ases :) | 19:11 |
| catherineD | zehicle: and we try to have all of us having work items in each priorrity item | 19:11 |
| sslypushenko__ | What doc we are talking about? | 19:11 |
| hogepodge | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack_f2f_feb_2015 | 19:11 |
| davidlenwell | I think thats enough time on that.. I think everyone is up to speed and if anyone wants to discuss it . we can do it in channel .. | 19:12 |
| davidlenwell | #topic uuid in tempest status.. | 19:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "uuid in tempest status.. (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:12 | |
| sslypushenko__ | I have a good news) | 19:12 |
| davidlenwell | hogepodge: would you like to update us? | 19:13 |
| hogepodge | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157273 | 19:13 |
| sslypushenko__ | It looks like tagging script woks) | 19:13 |
| hogepodge | That's good news. | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | excelent! | 19:14 |
| hogepodge | Pretty much all of the work is done. Just need to tag the tests and submit for review. | 19:14 |
| sslypushenko__ | I have finished it a couple minutes ago | 19:14 |
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| hogepodge | sslypushenko__: did you catch the pep8 failures? | 19:14 |
| sslypushenko__ | I did minimal set of manual tests | 19:14 |
| hogepodge | (unrelated to uuid) | 19:14 |
| * zehicle excited to see the UUID progress! | 19:15 | |
| sslypushenko__ | I didn't fix pep8 issues | 19:15 |
| hogepodge | also, did you see the comment on running the script? | 19:15 |
| sslypushenko__ | I will do it after meeting | 19:15 |
| hogepodge | So it sounds like mostly just tidying up then reviewing. I send an e-mail to openstackdev to alert everyone about the big push and changes is means for future tests. | 19:15 |
| hogepodge | (that sentence barely makes sense, but you get the idea) :-P | 19:16 |
| hogepodge | So feel free to review and so on. Thanks sslypushenko__ | 19:16 |
| davidlenwell | well thats aweomse news! | 19:16 |
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| davidlenwell | *awesome | 19:17 |
| sslypushenko__ | hogepodge I saw your review. We can disscuss detail later in refstack channel | 19:17 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 19:17 |
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| hogepodge | That's about it for that topic I think. | 19:19 |
| davidlenwell | I am very happy with this progress.. Very good job! | 19:19 |
| davidlenwell | lets move on and go over pending reviews | 19:20 |
| davidlenwell | #topic pending reviews | 19:20 |
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| davidlenwell | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153734/ | 19:20 |
| davidlenwell | lets get eyes on this one.. its been pending for a while | 19:21 |
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| sslypushenko__ | I was pretty focused on uuid script. I will do review as soon as possible | 19:22 |
| davidlenwell | thanks sslypushenko__ | 19:23 |
| catherineD | I am testing ... | 19:23 |
| davidlenwell | while you are at it .. review this #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157144/ | 19:23 |
| hogepodge | I'll look too. | 19:23 |
| davidlenwell | hogepodge: that last one I linked should be of interest to you.. its what we talked about in the january face to face | 19:23 |
| hogepodge | On the second it's going to get complicated for tests that have moved. | 19:24 |
| catherineD | vladiskuz_: did a good job in reviewing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157144/ | 19:24 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: why is that? | 19:24 |
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| Rockyg | one quick comment from defcore f2f: we are moving away fro using the word "core" zehicle, what was the new word? | 19:25 |
| davidlenwell | Rockyg: thats a bit off tpoic .. lets save it for open discussion | 19:25 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: If you're listing the tests and searching, but the name has changed, you can miss it. So mostly from the pov of leaving gaps | 19:26 |
| Rockyg | will need to update what we use instead of --core in the last review | 19:26 |
| davidlenwell | because you'll have to scan for the test if all you have is the uuid.. we don't know its path so launching it isn't as easy | 19:26 |
| vladiskuz_ | catherineD: Thanks! But I think this patch need more clarification | 19:26 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: that is why we are now settle on tag-3 | 19:26 |
| davidlenwell | Rockyg: please review the code and mention that | 19:26 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: What are we going to do about failing neutron tests? We have to work from head in those cases. | 19:26 |
| hogepodge | (that is tests that fail because of neutron) | 19:27 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: what are failling neutron test? | 19:27 |
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| hogepodge | tests that fail with the "no default network specified" bug | 19:27 |
| zehicle | I was going to do updates all together | 19:27 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: I am not aware of that .. Let's discuss later | 19:28 |
| zehicle | Rockyg, required capabilities | 19:28 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: It's not a show stopper, though. There are workarounds. | 19:28 |
| Rockyg | thanks | 19:28 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. we have some other pending reviews from vladiskuz_ mostly around test deployment and database migrations ... lets get eyes on them | 19:29 |
| vladiskuz_ | This https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156569/ and this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156983/ | 19:29 |
| davidlenwell | yes .. thanks for linking vladiskuz_ | 19:30 |
| catherineD | vladiskuz_: davidlenwell: will review those today .. | 19:30 |
| vladiskuz_ | Can we add new gate in review for functional tests? | 19:30 |
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| davidlenwell | sure | 19:30 |
| catherineD | back to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157144/ | 19:30 |
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| davidlenwell | vladiskuz_: do you want to do that commit? | 19:30 |
| catherineD | let have discussion on #refstack about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157144/ | 19:30 |
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| hogepodge | I like that patch, especially if it allows for defining custom capabilities files. | 19:32 |
| catherineD | because https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157144/ cover one of the use case (1.4 in the f2f) | 19:32 |
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| vladiskuz_ | For this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156569/ will be good if we can run tests in our review system with tox - e func | 19:33 |
| Rockyg | vladsjuz_ ++ | 19:33 |
| vladiskuz_ | and add gate, for example 'gate-refstack-mysql-functional' or something like this | 19:34 |
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| davidlenwell | lets make it non-voting but yes .. I think its a good gate to add | 19:35 |
| vladiskuz_ | davidlenwell: why non-voting? | 19:36 |
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| Rockyg | vladiskuz_: at least until it shows it's solid | 19:37 |
| davidlenwell | that ^^ | 19:37 |
| davidlenwell | lets move on for now.. we can circle back to this later | 19:38 |
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| davidlenwell | #topic news from David | 19:38 |
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| davidlenwell | It wasn't an easy choice to make.. But I have resigned my position at blue box.. in the past months as many of you know it has been hard to strike a balance within the company between upstream development and internal product work.. at the end of the day I had to prioritize community work and leave blue box .. No word yet on where I might go.. but I am committed to staying in OpenStack and working upstream and I remain committed to | 19:39 |
| davidlenwell | Refstack. | 19:39 |
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| zehicle | ok, thanks for the update | 19:40 |
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| davidlenwell | The good news from this is that I will no longer be distracted by internal product work and will be able to put in more hours on refstack. | 19:41 |
| davidlenwell | thanks zehicle | 19:41 |
| Rockyg | Yay! more progress! | 19:41 |
| davidlenwell | basically I've decided not to take any job until after the summit.. I want to put all my energy into meeting the goals we layed out in our face to face last week | 19:42 |
| Rockyg | Uh, put together what you want in a position -- area(s) you want to work in -- and let us know. Nothing here (it's a mess) but, who knows what we may hear. | 19:42 |
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| davidlenwell | okay . we can more on now to open discussion | 19:43 |
| davidlenwell | #topic open discussion | 19:43 |
| zehicle | I can give an update fro DefCore | 19:43 |
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| davidlenwell | yes . lets do that | 19:44 |
| zehicle | mostly, we talked about DefCore process stuff | 19:44 |
| zehicle | but there's a potential change that would make Refstack easier | 19:44 |
| zehicle | basically, we are suggesting a move away from Capabilities being RELEASE based to being time based | 19:44 |
| davidlenwell | oh? | 19:44 |
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| davidlenwell | thats very interesting | 19:45 |
| zehicle | so there's ONE capabilities score JSON that gets updated incrementally based on the process | 19:45 |
| catherineD | zehicle: what does that mean? | 19:45 |
| zehicle | you'd pick the date of the file that you apply | 19:45 |
| zehicle | and Vendors would have to be within the 2 most recent | 19:45 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. It made sense. You post which test set(s) you're compliant with | 19:45 |
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| hogepodge | So rather than say "icehouse capabilities, juno capabilities, etc..." | 19:46 |
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| zehicle | so, if the Board approves DefCore 2015.May, then that would be the tests you check against | 19:46 |
| zehicle | it really works w/ the UUID concept | 19:46 |
| davidlenwell | I like it | 19:46 |
| hogepodge | It also matches with the idea of "versionless" tempest | 19:46 |
| zehicle | we talked about it for a long time. In the end, we felt that it felt more like a "OpenStack Spec" than the previous naming | 19:46 |
| sslypushenko__ | Sounds interesting | 19:46 |
| davidlenwell | we'll have to have some discussion on impact | 19:46 |
| zehicle | it also helped explain that the DefCore list is trailing. So you don't expect to see capabilities from the latest release | 19:47 |
| zehicle | for example, the DefCore 2015.7 guideline would have no Kilo capabilities | 19:47 |
| Rockyg | and I don't think it will affect the current tags we are looking at, just might require more? | 19:47 |
| zehicle | (unless it was something added to catch up) | 19:48 |
| hogepodge | Also, something kind of related | 19:48 |
| zehicle | oh, and Rockyg, you were trying to remember "Guideline" | 19:48 |
| zehicle | we did not want to call it a spec | 19:48 |
| hogepodge | I put forward an idea to help identify capabilities, and going to try and do a pilot with it on Keystone. | 19:49 |
| zehicle | does that make sense? You all are our first test run of explaining the new approach | 19:49 |
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| Rockyg | there's also now a timeline for defcore to get advisory and final capabilities and tests approved by board. | 19:50 |
| davidlenwell | I think I get it .. I like the implications .. | 19:50 |
| zehicle | yes. very accelerated one | 19:50 |
| zehicle | we are trying to have guidelines published in March, April and May to catch up | 19:50 |
| zehicle | Then do to a 6 month schedule | 19:51 |
| Rockyg | with advisory in the middle of the cycle | 19:51 |
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| zehicle | we had great participation from the Foundation staff at the F2F - they were helpful in getting this lined up | 19:51 |
| Rockyg | very | 19:51 |
| zehicle | in addition to hogepodge, of course. | 19:51 |
| hogepodge | (heh) | 19:52 |
| catherineD | so what happen to beta tests? | 19:52 |
| Rockyg | He's foundation staff | 19:52 |
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| zehicle | there's a concept of required, depricated & advisory capabiltities | 19:52 |
| Rockyg | so, advisory is a proposed list that allows time to shake out issues for final | 19:52 |
| zehicle | and we also can flag tests | 19:52 |
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| zehicle | Rockyg, +1 | 19:52 |
| Rockyg | advisory capabilities list (comes out 3mos before final) | 19:53 |
| hogepodge | At the next qa meeting I'm going to make a proposal for a new type of test tag | 19:53 |
| catherineD | The earlier plan is to have beta tests with some vendors in March ... is that still in plan? | 19:53 |
| hogepodge | To help out with this in the long run too. | 19:53 |
| zehicle | Rockyg, I think we were going to use "draft" | 19:53 |
| zehicle | and then use advisory inside the doc | 19:53 |
| Rockyg | Was that what we ended up with? OK. | 19:54 |
| * zehicle thinks draft sounds more spec like | 19:54 | |
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| Rockyg | The beta is still very important | 19:54 |
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| hogepodge | [interop] tag that has a requirement of being an api test that does not require admin access, and uses only a minimal set of configuration (credentials, endpoint, image-id, network-id, for example) | 19:54 |
| Rockyg | We need to know if the draft/final will work The beta will demo it | 19:54 |
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| zehicle | :) | 19:54 |
| hogepodge | Going to try a pilot on keystone tests. (sorry to interleave, but running out of time) | 19:55 |
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| hogepodge | So we can start pulling capabilities for defcore from [interop] tagged tests. Longer term goal, but gets to the heart of cross-cloud testing by end users. | 19:55 |
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| hogepodge | Huge community interest in testing. Lots of proposed talks for the summit. | 19:56 |
| Rockyg | It was also pointed out that there is still a need for admin at some level -- for test setup. We should Identify exactly what and document | 19:57 |
| hogepodge | Go vote! https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/testing-your-cloud-how-to-configure-your-cloud-and-tempest | 19:57 |
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| Rockyg | accounts and stuff | 19:57 |
| hogepodge | Rockyg: If you need admin you can't have interop tag. | 19:57 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: we shoudl send that line to fits | 19:57 |
| hogepodge | But there can be interop nq | 19:57 |
| hogepodge | (non qualifying) | 19:57 |
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| hogepodge | It should be set up before tests are run if it needs admin. | 19:58 |
| hogepodge | (which is reasonable, cloud prep) | 19:58 |
| davidlenwell | okay folks we are running out of time.. and another team uses this channel in two minutes .. lets wrap it up and continue discussion in #refstack | 19:58 |
| Rockyg | Right. hogepdge. We need to document that *very* well | 19:58 |
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| Rockyg | k | 19:59 |
| hogepodge | Thanks everyone! | 19:59 |
| zehicle | good progress! | 19:59 |
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| davidlenwell | Thank you all for being here today .. attendance has been a lot better in the last month! | 19:59 |
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| davidlenwell | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 23 19:59:48 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-02-23-18.59.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-02-23-18.59.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-02-23-18.59.log.html | 19:59 |
| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 23 20:00:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
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| elmiko | yo/ | 20:00 |
| redrobot | As usual the agenda for the meeting can be found here: | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:00 |
| igueths | Hello. | 20:00 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:00 |
| reaperhulk | o/ | 20:00 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:01 |
| rellerreller | o/ | 20:01 |
| jvrbanac | o/ | 20:01 |
| tsv | 0/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | awesome, lots of barbicaneers here today | 20:02 |
| reaperhulk | said redrobot robotically | 20:02 |
| kragniz | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #topic Action Items | 20:02 |
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| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:02 |
| woodster_ | putting the 'bot' in redrobot? | 20:02 |
| redrobot | As I mentioned last meeting, I want to do a better job of reviewing action items from the previous meeting. | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-02-09-20.00.html | 20:03 |
| redrobot | woodster_ I had a couple of action items from last time | 20:03 |
| redrobot | woodster_ First up was the Juno -> Kilo migration | 20:03 |
| redrobot | I know we talked about it a bit during the mid-cycle... have we made any progress? | 20:04 |
| woodster_ | redrobot, I created a paper-cut to do this one (a migration script to start off with juno as the base) | 20:04 |
| woodster_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/barbican/+bug/1423962 | 20:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1423962 in Barbican "Add Alembic Modules to Enable Upgrades" [Wishlist,New] | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #help We need someone to create an initial Juno migration script per bug 1423963 | 20:05 |
| openstack | bug 1423963 in tripleo "Can't parse python-novaclient!=2.21.0,>=2.18.0" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1423963 | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | heh... not such a smart bot, eh openstack? | 20:05 |
| redrobot | woodster_ the other action Item I had for you was about following up with reaperhulk about the Swift integration status | 20:06 |
| redrobot | Any news on that front from either of yous guys? | 20:06 |
| reaperhulk | redrobot: I have not looked at the swift encryption spec status recently. I believe it has been merged but I don't know about the status of implementation | 20:07 |
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| woodster_ | I thought it was merged as well | 20:07 |
| reaperhulk | Their plan has always been to use a key manager so presumably they'd be interested in using castellan when they start implementing | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | I can't remember who was asking about this last week.... was it rm_work? | 20:07 |
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| rm_work | for swift? | 20:08 |
| rm_work | I don't think so | 20:08 |
| redrobot | rm_work yeah | 20:08 |
| elmiko | we're curiois about using castellan as well, i've got a spec up in sahara currently for barbican integration | 20:08 |
| rm_work | Sahara was who I mentioned possibly, per elmiko | 20:08 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157432/ | 20:08 |
| elmiko | if anyone is curious | 20:08 |
| hockeynut | o/ better late than never | 20:08 |
| redrobot | elmiko can we table that for now? I'll revisit later this meeting. | 20:08 |
| elmiko | redrobot: sure thing! | 20:09 |
| redrobot | last action item to review from last meeting was about fishbowl sessions | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | I talked about it during the mid-cycle, but I'll recap for those who were unable to attend: | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | Vancouver Design Summit format will be a little different than previous summits. All work spaces will be scheduled into time slots. What we previously called "design sessions" are called "Fishbowl Sessions" this time around. They'll be held in large rooms and advertised in the schedule. | 20:11 |
| redrobot | The other type of time slots are "Working Sessions" and those will take place in smaller rooms. | 20:11 |
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| elmiko | interesting | 20:11 |
| redrobot | Pods will no longer be available. I requested the maximum amount of time slots possible, but there's no guarantee we'll get all of them. | 20:12 |
| * redrobot crosses fingers | 20:12 | |
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| redrobot | I think that covers action items from last meeting. | 20:13 |
| redrobot | moving on... | 20:13 |
| elmiko | was there an explanation about the move away from pods? | 20:13 |
| redrobot | elmiko yes, let me dig up that link | 20:13 |
| elmiko | cool, thanks. sorry to derail | 20:13 |
| redrobot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054122.html | 20:14 |
| elmiko | awesome | 20:14 |
| redrobot | elmiko ^^ | 20:14 |
| woodster_ | just worried about continuity across sessions/rooms...it'd be nice if we could have a project whiteboard or something | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ hopefully we'll get a tentative schedule soon and we can look into what breaks/room changes we'll have to deal with | 20:15 |
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| woodster_ | BTW, the swift key mgr spec was merged a while ago, but not linked to a LP blueprint to make tracking CRs easier | 20:15 |
| woodster_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123220 | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ cool. thanks for the link | 20:16 |
| redrobot | #topic Mid-Cycle Recap | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-kilo-sprint | 20:16 |
| redrobot | thanks again to everyone who made it out to Austin | 20:16 |
| redrobot | I think it was a pretty good mid-cycle | 20:17 |
| woodster_ | +1 | 20:17 |
| tsv | +1 | 20:17 |
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| dave-mccowan | +1 thanks @rackers for hosting! | 20:18 |
| redrobot | indeed, Lisa and Sheena did a great job of coordinating the space and food and afterhour activities | 20:18 |
| kfarr | +1 \o/ | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | This is what the Kilo-3 release looks like after the mid-cycle | 20:19 |
| redrobot | #link https://launchpad.net/barbican/+milestone/kilo-3 | 20:19 |
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| redrobot | I think that with the exception of the per-secret policy, every blueprint had somone committed to landing it | 20:19 |
| redrobot | I'll go through Launchpad and assign those | 20:19 |
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| igueths | +1 | 20:20 |
| redrobot | I wanted to review some action items from the etherpad | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | alee Wrap profiles around CMC to pass to CA to track product type | 20:21 |
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| tsv | redrobot, discussed with arunkant on per-secret policy and this would be of interest for us too | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | tsv do you all have resources to try to get this landed for Kilo-3? | 20:22 |
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| tsv | arunkant, i will be doing the quota work. do you think you can pick this one up ? | 20:22 |
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| arunkant | redrobot, we need to breakout the tasks and will look into this. How much time is left for kilo-3 ? | 20:23 |
| redrobot | arunkant Kilo-3 is scheduled for March 19 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 20:24 |
| elmiko | k-3 ends march 19 | 20:24 |
| elmiko | feature freeze on the 5th | 20:24 |
| elmiko | well, proposal freeze that is | 20:24 |
| redrobot | I should clarify that March 5th is feature _proposal_ freeze, so no new kilo specs after that date | 20:24 |
| redrobot | elmiko jinx! | 20:25 |
| elmiko | hehe, i owe you a beverage in vancouver ;) | 20:25 |
| redrobot | I guess Ade isn't here, so I'll skip his action items from the mid-cycle | 20:25 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan Certificate Order metadata change API parameter from container ref -> secret ref validation. | 20:26 |
| tsv | redrobot, thanks. will follow up after discussing internally | 20:26 |
| redrobot | #action tsv arunkant to review per-secret-policy for Kilo | 20:26 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan I'm not sure what the action item actually was? | 20:27 |
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| dave-mccowan | there are a few "alee todos" in validators.py that i'm picking up. that AI is just one of them. | 20:27 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan gotcha, ok. | 20:28 |
| redrobot | tsv You had an action item about the Quotas BP | 20:28 |
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| redrobot | tsv which you already mentioned you're working on... | 20:29 |
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| tsv | redrobot, yes. now that the spec is merged, am working on implementation | 20:29 |
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| redrobot | tsv awesome! | 20:29 |
| redrobot | woodster_ you had an action item to reach out to Jarret about compliance concerns if we switch to hard deletes | 20:30 |
| redrobot | woodster_ any progress on that? | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | looks like someone is distracting woodster_ at his desk | 20:31 |
| redrobot | #action woodster_ to reach out to Jarret about compliance concerns if we switch to hard deletes | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | #action woodster_ update on order sub-status | 20:32 |
| redrobot | ok, the last item I wanted to review from the mid-cycle was the new gates | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | python-barbicanclient has a new gate that runs a functional test suite against a devstack instance running the latest Barbican | 20:33 |
| redrobot | the gate is currently in the experimental pipeline | 20:33 |
| redrobot | you can run the gate in your CR by leaving "check experimental" as a comment | 20:33 |
| redrobot | which will trigger the gate job | 20:33 |
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| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158145/ | 20:34 |
| redrobot | ^^ for example | 20:34 |
| redrobot | once tdink_ and I clean up the functional tests we'll be ready to move this to the regular pipelines as a voting job | 20:34 |
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| redrobot | We're also working on adding a new devstack gate job to Barbican, which will run the functional tests using the dogtag plugins and a real instance of dogtag | 20:35 |
| redrobot | that work is still in-progress, and as soon as this CR https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157607/ merges, we'll be able to start leaving "check experimental" comments on barbican CRs as well. | 20:36 |
| redrobot | That's all I can think of recapping from the mid-cycle | 20:36 |
| redrobot | anything else we should mention? | 20:37 |
| elmiko | nightlife report? | 20:38 |
| elmiko | ;) | 20:38 |
| tsv | redrobot, castellan discussion result ? | 20:38 |
| elmiko | tsv: +1 | 20:38 |
| jvrbanac | redrobot, I think we mentioned this during the meeting, but if no one had any objects, I was going to investigate centralizing our config option registration and loading | 20:39 |
| jvrbanac | s/objects/objections | 20:39 |
| redrobot | elmiko we had an awesome bar crawl down Rainey St, followed by much drinking in 6th St. :) | 20:39 |
| elmiko | redrobot: nice! | 20:40 |
| redrobot | jvrbanac sounds good to me | 20:40 |
| kfarr | Speaking of Castellan, there's still code review out there waiting for a +2 and a work-flow to add the keygr interface :] | 20:40 |
| kfarr | ^^ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148742/ | 20:40 |
| redrobot | #topic Castellan | 20:40 |
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| redrobot | To summarize the mid-cycle discussions on Castellan | 20:41 |
| * rm_work awaits a summary | 20:41 | |
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| redrobot | Castellan will be a long lived KeyManager interface. It will only contain a subset of Barbican functionality. Specifically key storage, retrieval, and generation. | 20:41 |
| rellerreller | We will modify the interface to allow "keys" to be symmetric, public, private, passphrase, and certificate | 20:43 |
| redrobot | We will only recommend using Castellan if the following are true: Your project needs to run in an OpenStack cloud where Barbican is not available, or your project needs to interface to a certified key manager device | 20:43 |
| rm_work | rellerreller: I don't think Certificate made it | 20:43 |
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| redrobot | The plan for Certificate was to make a type avaiable, however, I don't think it's the format that rm_work wanted. | 20:43 |
| rellerreller | rm_work I believe we said all of those would be supported, just not containers | 20:43 |
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| rm_work | I am not sure what's *in* a Certificate typed key | 20:44 |
| rm_work | I don't think it was fully discussed, as I dropped by queries regarding additional cert-related functionality | 20:44 |
| rm_work | which is why I'd recommend leaving it off the list for now, unless additional discussion on the topic did happen after I left? | 20:45 |
| redrobot | rm_work no, we didn't continue Castellan discussions on Wednesday. | 20:45 |
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| woodster_ | sorry, catching up... | 20:45 |
| rm_work | Want to do it right, not get something in that doesn't have a solid use-case or design :) | 20:46 |
| rm_work | we can revisit Certificate type keys later | 20:46 |
| rm_work | like WAY later :) | 20:46 |
| rm_work | unless someone else wanted them now | 20:46 |
| rm_work | but IIRC part of the problem was that it was JUST my use-cases | 20:46 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller does it make sense to do the KeyEntity refactor without Certs for now? If not should we just kick that can down the road? | 20:47 |
| rm_work | rellerreller: I think I'd recommend ignoring the Cert usecase entirely and just do what you needed to get your stuff in | 20:48 |
| rellerreller | redrobot We could do it without certs. That is certainly possible. | 20:48 |
| rellerreller | I don't anticipate any big concerns with adding it. We can propose our BP and if too contentious then we can leave off the table. | 20:48 |
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| redrobot | ok, sounds good | 20:49 |
| redrobot | that reminds me I have an | 20:49 |
| woodster_ | sub-status CR is up: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157565/ | 20:49 |
| woodster_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157565/ | 20:49 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to add Castellan to global-requirements | 20:49 |
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| redrobot | elmiko did you have any questions about Castellan? | 20:51 |
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| elmiko | redrobot: well, mainly when we could get access to documentation and stuff. i wasn't having much luck. | 20:51 |
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| elmiko | i ended up writing my spec towards barbican, with an option to replace later | 20:51 |
| redrobot | elmiko Castellan is still super green... it's basicall an abstraction on top of python-barbicanclient. | 20:52 |
| elmiko | hopefully we'll abstract the secrets stuff away in our api so that we can change to castellan at some point. | 20:52 |
| elmiko | yea, that's what it sounded like | 20:52 |
| rellerreller | elmiko What kind of documentation are you looking for? | 20:52 |
| elmiko | rellerreller: i think mainly i just need a better reference to the repo. i think i was finding stale stuff. | 20:53 |
| elmiko | i also had a misunderstanding about how castellan fits into things | 20:53 |
| elmiko | so, i guess a general explanation doc would help as well | 20:53 |
| arunkant | redrobot, Will castellan have only barbican client as the keymgr reference implementation or KMIP/HSM plugin impl will be there as well? | 20:54 |
| rellerreller | elmiko The CR, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148742/, has the latest code for Castellan. | 20:54 |
| elmiko | rellerreller: awesome, thanks! | 20:54 |
| redrobot | arunkant rellerreller would have a better idea about what the direct-to-kmip implementation of Castellan would be | 20:55 |
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| rellerreller | elmiko We might have some docs or powerpoint presentations from the past on this. I'll see if I can find anything. | 20:55 |
| redrobot | I would think that yes, the impl woudl be there. | 20:55 |
| elmiko | redrobot: it would be much appreciated =) | 20:55 |
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| redrobot | *shameless plug* y'all could also vote for this awesome sounding presentation https://www.openstack.org/vote-vancouver/presentation/securing-your-applications-using-barbican | 20:56 |
| rellerreller | arunkant I think a KMIP implementation would be great. It's not on our immediate roadmap, but we would like to see one. | 20:56 |
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| redrobot | Ok, almost out of time for today. | 20:57 |
| arunkant | rellerreller, thanks. | 20:57 |
| elmiko | if anyone is curious, or has time, i would love more eyes on our barbican integration effort: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157432/ | 20:58 |
| redrobot | elmiko will take a look | 20:58 |
| elmiko | thanks! | 20:59 |
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| redrobot | Thanks everyone for coming! See y'all next week. | 20:59 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-02-23-20.00.html | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-02-23-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
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