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bswartz#startmeeting manila15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb 26 15:00:44 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'manila'15:00
bswartzhello all15:00
ganso_hello15:00
xyang2hi15:00
vponomaryovhello15:00
geguileoHi bswartz15:00
geguileoHi all15:01
markstur_hi15:01
csabahi15:01
bswartzso I'm buried in deep snow and without power15:01
bswartzusing backup power and backup internet15:01
bswartzif I disappear, you know why....15:01
bswartzbut hopefully things will hold out long enough for this meeting15:01
xyang2bswartz: in nc?15:01
* bswartz crosses fingers15:01
xyang2bswartz: you are not in boston, right15:01
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bswartzxyang2: yes, raleigh/durham got a large snowstorm last night15:02
bswartz(large for us anyways)15:02
u_glidehello all15:02
xyang2bswartz: I see.  we had too much snow already15:02
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bswartzokay so, I didn't update the agenda15:03
bswartzbut we have 1 item from last week that needs discussing15:03
bswartzcknight: are you here?15:03
bswartzhmm15:04
ganso_I remember last week we did not come to a conclusion on 2 topics: removing db access from share driver, and multiple export locations15:04
bswartzok15:04
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bswartzwe will have to pend the discussion around api extensions another week it seems15:04
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bswartzunless someone has done some research in the last week15:04
bswartzI still haven't heard any proposals that sound like an improvement on the status quo15:04
bswartzganso_: we can cover those 2 topics15:05
bswartzfirst let's update dev status15:05
bswartzbecause that covers one topic15:05
bswartz#topic dev status15:05
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vponomaryovDev status:15:06
vponomaryov1) Manila now can be installed using upstream devstack without extra files15:06
vponomaryov#link https://github.com/openstack/manila/tree/master/devstack15:06
vponomaryov2) Manilaclient now uses keystoneclient15:06
vponomaryovBP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-manilaclient/+spec/add-keystone-session-support15:06
vponomaryovgerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/15359915:06
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vponomaryovstatus: merged15:06
cknightHi15:07
vponomaryov3) Separate gigabytes quota for snapshots15:07
bswartzwelcome cknight!15:07
vponomaryovBP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/add-snapshot-gb-quota15:07
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vponomaryovgerrit:15:07
vponomaryovserver: #link https://review.openstack.org/15870815:07
vponomaryovclient: #link https://review.openstack.org/15879515:07
vponomaryovstatus: ready for review15:07
vponomaryov4) Private share types15:07
vponomaryovBP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/private-share-types15:07
vponomaryovgerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/15779415:07
vponomaryovstatus: ready for review15:07
vponomaryovthat's the main15:07
bswartzvponomaryov:: no update on multiple export locations?15:08
vponomaryovno15:08
bswartzokay15:08
bswartzwe will cover that below15:08
bswartzsince we have cknight I'd like to cover the api extension topic15:08
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bswartz#topic API extensions and versioning15:09
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bswartzso as I mentioned last week, a large fraction of our rest API is actually implemented using extensions (they're in the contrib dir)15:09
bswartzthis is something we inherited from cinder15:10
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bswartzthe cinder team is facing problems with the extensions APIs because they haven't figured out a way to version them15:10
bswartzI would like to solve that problem before we have an urgent need to change an API in a way that requires versioning15:11
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bswartzso the open questions are:15:11
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bswartz1) how can we change the existing contrib APIs to core APIs without breaking existing clients15:11
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bswartz2) what is the process for deciding which APIs should be contrib APIs vs core APIs15:12
bswartz3) and how can we handle versioning of contrib APis15:12
bswartzcknight: does that about cover it?15:12
cknightbswartz: I think so15:12
bswartzcknight: any ideas on how to answer those?15:13
cknightFor #1, the URLs wouldn't change if we move extension APIs to v115:13
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cknightBut the question concerns the API to list extensions15:13
cknightand if anyone is using that15:13
bswartzI would like to at least have a plan before Kilo closes down, so the API we ship with kilo can be as stable as possible going into liberty15:13
vponomaryov cknight: urls will be changed15:13
cknightvponomaryov:  how?15:13
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vponomaryovextensions has template os-foo-bar15:14
vponomaryovcore APis foo-bar15:14
vponomaryovs/has/have/15:14
xyang2vponomaryov: can you use the manage api as an example15:14
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cknightvponomaryov: well, that's a problem then.  My understanding is that extensions are a mechanism for users to add their own APIs, or possibly for projects to ship experimental APIs.15:15
vponomaryovhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/147495/26/manila/api/contrib/share_manage.py - line 10815:15
vponomaryovas extension it is "os-share-manage"15:15
vponomaryovas core API - should be "share-manage"15:16
bswartzvponomaryov: what about types_manage.py?15:16
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vponomaryovwhat about them?15:16
bswartzshare types are contrib APIs15:16
bswartzbut the REST URL is /types15:16
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bswartzI think that cknight was pointing out that we don't *have* to change the API URL when we move it from contrib to core -- the name is just by convention15:17
bswartzpart of the problem is that we don't even enforce the convention very well15:17
cknightbswartz: that's true.  we could clean up the convention later in v2, but we have to move away from using extensions like we are now.15:18
vponomaryovbswartz: types case mean it did not satisfy contrib url naming =)15:19
cknightI'd prefer to move everything into v1, but also add a way for APIs to be marked supported (i.e. not changing) or experimental (subject to change)15:19
bswartzvponomaryov: correct -- but it should never have been a contrib API to begin with, as it's a core feature15:19
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cknightThen the extension mechanism is free for deployers to use.15:19
cknightArguably, every API we have now is core, not an optional extension.15:19
bswartzI agree with cknight -- we need to clean up the existing APIs and start enforcing whatever convention we agree upon in the future15:20
bswartzas for the badly-chosen REST URLs, we can introduce the correct ones, and keep the old ones for backwards compatibility15:20
cknightIf we need optional APIs, they could be marked so in the API status, but optional APIs have a way of becoming widely used and therefore standard over time.15:21
bswartzthen when it's time to move to v2, we can drop support for all the old ones15:21
cknightbswartz:  +115:21
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bswartzbut getting everything moved from contrib into v1 is essential before moving to v215:21
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cknightThe API that lists extensions could be enhanced to list all APIs, including their version and status.15:21
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cknightSo users could always know what APIs are available.15:22
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bswartzcknight: regarding that last part, I want to know more about how other projects are handling that15:22
xyang2If you use API V1 to list extensions, it will only list extensions under v115:22
bswartzthere are interactions with keystone and the keystone service catalog that many clients rely on15:22
cknightxyang2: yes, that's certainly one way to do it.15:22
cknightDoes anyone else have suggestions on how to solve this?15:23
xyang2cknight: contrib apis are under versioned folder where they are discovered15:23
bswartzokay based on the discussion, this is sounding like a large piece of work15:23
bswartzwe have to make some decisions about what naming convention we want to follow, and what we plan to enforce regarding additions of new APIs in the future15:24
cknightbswartz: yes, but it can be done piecemeal once we have a direction15:24
bswartzand we need to do some experiments before we can make those decisions15:24
bswartzand then we need to start the cleanup effort15:24
bswartznone of those things should be undertaken during K-4, and we're practically out of time for K-315:25
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cknightbswartz: +1, but experiments can start any time.  I'm glad to help get this written down and test the ideas.15:26
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xyang2bswartz: A core API doesn't mean it is required for every driver to implement it though, right?  Otherwise, every API is required15:26
bswartzI'll take some notes on the topic and bring it up for discussion again15:26
cknightbswartz: But I'm keen to hear if anyone else has ideas.15:26
bswartzxyang2: the question of what features drivers must support is a separate question15:26
bswartzit's related, but only loosely15:26
bswartzI think an API should have 3 possible states:15:27
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bswartz1) experimental API in contrib, supported by some drivers15:27
bswartz2) core API, supported by some drivers15:28
bswartz3) core API, supported by all drivers15:28
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cknightbswartz: That's fine, but we'll need a convention about contrib APIs, like they only live there for one release before we decide what to do with it.15:29
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bswartzhmmm, I'm not sure about that15:29
bswartzI can imagine some new features might go straight to the core API15:30
bswartzand some features might remain experimental for several releases15:30
u_glidebswartz:+115:30
cknightbswartz: OK, I can see that.  We just want to be sure we don't get stuck with unversioned APIs like Cinder.15:30
bswartzyes exactly15:31
bswartzanyways, expect to hear more about this15:31
bswartzwe need to make decisions, but I still don't have enough information15:31
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bswartz#topic public service announcement15:32
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xyang2what is the immediate plan for the manage/unmanage?  move back to core?15:32
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bswartzthis is a reminder that FPF (Feature proposal freeze) is one week away15:32
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bswartzall new features for Kilo need to be in gerrit and passing jenkins (and substantially complete) by March 515:33
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bswartzthat gives the team 2 weeks to review, and for developers to respond to feedback15:33
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u_glidexyang2: I think, we have decided to leave it in contrib on last meeting15:34
bswartzthe merge deadline is still March 1915:34
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xyang2u_glide: ok15:34
bswartzxyang2: I'm okay with it remaining as contrib until we sort out our intentions15:35
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bswartzI'm more interested in the public-facing REST URL than the place it lives actually15:35
xyang2bswartz: sure. I don't want to ask u_glide to move it back and forth15:35
bswartzbecause that's the part we promise not to break15:35
xyang2bswartz: +115:35
bswartzokay15:36
bswartzganso's topics15:36
bswartz#topic DB access in the share drivers15:37
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bswartzdriver shouldn't be accessing the DB15:37
vponomaryovRO access is OK15:37
bswartzIf I had noticed it happening, I would have -2 it15:37
vponomaryovdon't you think so?15:37
bswartzI don't think so15:37
xyang2bswartz: I think that is too restrict15:37
bswartzif drivers need info from the database, then the manager should be providing it15:37
bswartzI don't have a problem with changes to the ShareDriver interface to allow passing in more information15:38
bswartzIn fact I'm in favor of adding a lot more information, as I mentioned last week with the driver-specific per-share-metadata15:38
bswartzbut those accesses need to go through a layer -- not direct to DB15:38
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bswartzotherwise we have big problems when we do DB schema changes15:39
ganso_that would be the "DB plugin", similar to network plugin15:39
ganso_bswartz: +1, DB changes would break drivers15:39
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bswartzI'd like to address the problems on a case-by-case basis15:39
bswartzif drivers have a good reason for pulling data out of the database, then the share manager should simply provide it so they don't have to get it themselves15:40
xyang2bswartz: +1.  we should look at each case15:40
bswartzand driver shouldn't be writing to the database -- all updates should happen through model updates handled by the manager15:40
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bswartzis there a specific case that we can discuss today?15:41
cknightAs an example, there are use cases where a Manila driver doesn't go directly to the storage controller, but instead contacts a remote orchestration layer.  So all required DB info would have to be passed along.15:41
cknightWe have customers doing exactly that.15:41
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bswartzcknight: I think you mean info *from* the DB, not info about the DB15:42
cknightbswartz:  Correct.  Which drivers are accessing the DB?15:42
bswartzwe don't want remote things talking to the Manila DB15:42
bswartzganso_: You brought this one up, are you aware of an issue?15:42
xyang2bswartz: heat may have to do that15:42
bswartzI might need to write myself an AI to go hunting for violations15:43
ganso_I don't know exactly if I coded it the wrong way, but I have a driver (not submitted yet) that handles share servers, and since I manage a lot of network code, I need to query for existing share server from the DB15:43
bswartzah15:43
bswartzthat's something that the manager should be doing for you15:43
bswartzis it going to be submitted in kilo?15:43
bswartzyour time is running out...15:43
ganso_no, not anymore15:44
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ganso_but I am discussing this thinking already as a future improvement15:44
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bswartzok15:44
bswartzother topic was15:44
bswartz#topic multiple export locations15:44
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bswartzu_glide is working on this15:44
bswartzu_glide: is there a change on gerrit yet that people can look at?15:45
cknightganso_: Please submit a BP on the manager improvements you need to get share server info.  We can consider that in Liberty.15:45
u_glidebswartz: not yet15:45
bswartzu_glide: do you have an estimate?15:45
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u_glide bswartz: I need 2-3 days15:46
bswartzokay15:46
ganso_cknight: I will, thanks15:47
bswartzso the feature will hopefully go into kilo, but drivers might not implement it until liberty, given how late we are in the release15:47
cknightbswartz: Would you consider an FFE for that?  It's a simple driver change.15:48
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bswartzthe design for this feature consists of a change to the DB schema, change to the REST API (backwards compatible, of course), and a change to the model update drivers provide to the manager when creating shares15:48
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cknightbswartz: It seems odd to put in a feature with no driver support, since updating at least one driver is very useful for proving out the feature design.15:49
bswartzthe last and most tricky part is that, driver may change the list of export locations, but only by restarting the backend (currently)15:49
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bswartzcknight: I agree, but this always happens with new features that require driver changes15:50
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bswartzif you make them late, then very few drivers can support them15:50
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xyang2bswartz: we should have one reference implementation15:50
bswartzyes I wouldn't want to merge the feature without at least one driver supporting it15:50
bswartzbut that's a pretty low bar15:50
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xyang2that's always the case with new features added late15:51
bswartzanything not merged has a risk of slipping to Liberty -- this change included15:51
bswartzbut due to the high value of the feature I'd like to try to get it in even with limitted driver support15:51
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bswartzto answer cknight's earlier question, this would be a good case to argue for a FFE, if you can make a few lines of change to the driver to support the new feature15:52
cknightbswartz: Thanks, we can probably make that happen, then.15:52
bswartzbut such an FFE would be limitted to a small change that just supported this feature because it went in so late (assuming it make it in)15:53
bswartzdon't expect a larger change to be allowed to go in late because it also includes support for this small feature15:53
bswartzokay that's about all I have15:53
xyang2bswartz: any update on tags?15:54
bswartzamazingly my backup power is still going15:54
bswartz#topic open discussion15:54
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bswartzxyang2: I don't know if you made the TC meeting on Tuesday15:54
bswartzthey discussed one tag only15:54
bswartzthe release: tag15:54
bswartzthe release tag is the one we have the fewest problems with because we're perfectly integrated into the openstack release schedule15:55
bswartzbut the TC hasn't closed on how they want to handle that one15:55
bswartzand until they do, I don't expect that they'll define any other tags15:55
xyang2bswartz: ok15:56
vponomaryovhow is it influences us?15:56
bswartzI'm more interested in how they view maturity and integration between projects15:56
bswartzwe continue to be frozen out of other projects from an integration perspective15:56
xyang2bswartz: the tag is supposed to tell us that?15:56
bswartzso we have to do slightly awkward things like the devstack plugin  vponomaryov added last week15:57
xyang2bswartz: if manila gets integrated_release tag for Kilo, that will be good15:57
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bswartzxyang2: yes I think that one should be easy for us to obtain, but I'm afraid it won't have any value15:57
bswartzit will merely be a statement of fact that our release is integrated with openstack, which has been true since icehouse15:57
bswartzmaturity obviously will require production deployments, and those are coming along well15:58
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bswartzthe key is going to be getting the deployers to join the community and contribute back15:58
bswartzokay we're almost out of time15:59
bswartzany last minute things?15:59
bswartzI have one...15:59
bswartzhttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/057854.html15:59
bswartzread that ML post if you haven't15:59
bswartzthanks all!15:59
bswartz#endmeeting16:00
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kozhukalovhey guys16:01
kozhukalov#startmeeting Fuel16:01
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kozhukalov#chair kozhukalov16:01
openstackCurrent chairs: kozhukalov16:01
agordeevhi16:02
kozhukalovwho is here?16:02
seeg\o16:02
irinapovhi16:02
vkramskikhhi16:02
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kozhukalovgreat, at least 5 persons )16:02
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irinapovyup :)16:02
kozhukalovok, we have little to discuss today16:02
kozhukalovlet's start16:02
kozhukalov#topic Fuel plugins SDK: wiki page and further steps (irinapov)16:03
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irinapovPlease, be informed that I’ve created a wiki page for Fuel Plugins (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/Plugins). We’ll use it for providing user and dev-side materials.16:03
irinapovI’d like you to review the contents and make changes if necessary. On Monday, I’ll send an announcement to openstack-dev ML about the wiki page. As to Fuel Plug-in Guide: since we’re moving to SDK for Fuel Plugins, placed at Mirantis webpage (https://software.mirantis.com/fuel-plugins/) all issues related to plugins should become independent.16:03
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irinapovI’d also like to note that we have #fuel-plugins channel in Slack - feel free to enter and ask questions - always glad to answer16:04
kozhukalovcool, looks like there are lots of info on this page16:04
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irinapovyup, it'll also have links to the webpage with tutorials and SDK-related topics16:04
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irinapovso, my request is to review the wiki :)16:05
kozhukalovirinapov: slack is private16:05
kozhukalovirinapov: are we going to create irc channel as well&16:05
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kozhukalovirinapov: are we going to create irc channel as well?16:05
irinapovI believe, we'll use current IRC channels16:05
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seegthe wiki says about #fuel-dev -- maybe it's sufficient?16:06
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bookwar+1, let's start with #fuel-dev16:07
kozhukalovirinapov: who do you think is the best person to review?16:07
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irinapovI believe, Evgeny Li could do this and, sure, the other folks involved into plugin development process16:07
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kozhukalovhe is not around unfortunately16:08
irinapovyup, but I can ping him :)16:08
kozhukalovirinapov: please ping him personally16:08
irinapovnp16:08
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kozhukalovok, great job16:08
kozhukalovthanks16:08
irinapovanyway, I'm waiting feedback from any of you! thx16:08
kozhukalovany q?16:08
kozhukalovif no, let's move on16:09
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kozhukalov#topic IBP (agordeev)16:09
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agordeevhi16:09
agordeevThe implementation of http reconnection for fuel-agent was finished. Waiting on review queue.16:09
agordeev#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/ibp-reconnect16:09
agordeev#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157090/16:09
agordeevThe implementation of bp/ibp-build-ubuntu-images was started few days ago. ETA is 2d more.16:09
agordeev#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/ibp-build-ubuntu-images16:10
agordeevThe remained bp/ibp-image-checksums hasn't been started yet. ETA of implementation is 2d16:10
agordeev#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/ibp-image-checksums16:10
agordeevThere's a chance that the delivery of BP-s might be delayed and not be in time of FF.16:10
agordeevBugs: few bugs are still around. But there are not critical. Few fixes are still sitting on review.16:10
agordeevBackporting 'device busy' fix to classic provisining is paused and its ETA couldn't be property estimated.16:10
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angdraugwhat's wrong with the device busy bug?16:11
kozhukalovand another point is that we've changed repo_metadata format and deployment the whole flow16:11
kozhukalovand we have pre-deployment astute task which gonna pre-configure repos on a slave node16:12
agordeevangdraug: it's too hard to bring the changes to preseed/kickstart stuff. It takes a lot of time.16:12
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kozhukalovso it looks like we need to throw away that stuff in fuel-agent which is about configuring repos (with cloud-init)16:13
kozhukalovangdraug: going to deliver this fix at an early date16:13
agordeevangdraug: it looks like it might be working fine and fixed, but it doesn't work when you apply it. Debugging capabilities are very limited, especially for preseed16:14
kozhukalovangdraug: i mean 'device busy'16:14
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angdraugthanks, I see16:15
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angdraugno fundamental problem, just the usual preseed madness...16:15
kozhukalovagordeev: and another point is that it looks like we are not able to re-implement image building script in python by FF16:15
kozhukalovangdraug: exactly16:15
kozhukalovok, if there is no other q, let's move on16:16
kozhukalov#topic Pecan migration (seeg)16:16
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seegwell, as part of continuing work of meow-nofer and overall acceptance via the mailinglist discussion last 2 days I worked on migrating our API to pecan16:17
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seegthe biggest issue raised against pecan i think was that the reverse function that we use in tests would be difficult to write16:17
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seegwell, it turns out it's not that difficult :)16:17
seeghttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/158661/16:17
seegthe Ci tells me that 716 tests pass already, with 130 failing16:17
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seegI'm keeping backwards compatibility with our API16:18
salmon_awsome :)16:18
seegoverall it's not extremely difficult to do16:18
seegjust fix tests one by one16:18
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kozhukalovseeg: great, go ahead16:19
salmon_seeg: why did you change version number?16:19
salmon_api version16:19
kozhukalovseeg: looking forward to see it implemented16:19
seegit was like that, i'll bring it back16:19
salmon_ah, ok16:19
seegit doesn't matter with reverse16:19
seegin fact currently neither v1 nor v2 is added to the urls16:20
seegit's very easy, just add one mor controller and name it v116:20
seegand I'm open to suggestions on improving the api :)16:20
kozhukalovseeg: looks like reviewing this patch will be really painful16:20
seeg:)16:20
kozhukalovi mean + over 3000 lines16:21
seegI thought about creating some wrapper class that would take current handlers and return pecan's controller class16:21
seegmost code is just copy-paste anyways16:21
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seegsomething like make_pecan_controller(NodeCollectionHandler)16:21
seegI think it might be done but haven't tried it, and probably there still will be corner cases16:22
seegbut for simpler handlers this could be possible, which would reduce amount of code16:22
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seegI'm basing on our tests, if all pass I assume API is healthy :)16:22
kozhukalovanyway, it is great to see it is going on because webpy is really outdated these days16:22
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kozhukalovany other q?16:24
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kozhukalovmoving on then16:24
kozhukalov#topic Open discussion16:24
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kozhukalovdoes anybody have anything?16:25
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xarsesI was hoping to get some updates about the possible package / mirror / caching solution16:26
xarsesI asked in the ML last week and still haven't had any updates16:26
barthalionthere is nothing to be said yet, actually16:26
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barthalionthe best solution about caching would be distributed cache16:27
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xarsesso we have no solution, and FF is next week?16:27
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barthalionbut all p2p solutions for apt are either dead or CPU hungry16:27
xarseswhat are we doing to ensure that the packages we need are at least available from the remote repos?16:27
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kozhukalovxarses: there is bp16:28
kozhukalov#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/consume-external-ubuntu16:29
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kozhukalovit is supposed that user will be able to set a bunch of repos via UI16:29
kozhukalovthis set of repos is per cluster16:29
kozhukalovit is almost ready16:30
angdraugthat bp spec doesn't specify a script to mirror repos16:30
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kozhukalovangdraug: yep16:30
xarsesyes, but its noted as "OPTIONAL: Check that provided repos contain all required packages."16:30
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kozhukalovwe make an assumption that at least of these repos is upstream ubuntu mirror16:31
xarseswe will have big quality risk if we dont have a) local mirror AND/OR b) check we have all packages16:31
kozhukalovwith installer image and udeb packages16:31
barthalionas kozhukalov says16:31
barthalionchecking packages availability is overengineering16:32
barthalionwe want to consume external repo to keep things simple16:33
kozhukalovxarses: i think it is more up to a customer16:33
xarsesbarthalion: so you want to start the deployment, and not know if all of the packages can be found, only to find that they are missing when the deployment fails 2 hours later?16:33
kozhukalovi mean let's think she understands that broken mirror will likely break deployment16:34
xarseskozhukalov: yes, it should, both options should be avail to the customer16:34
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barthalion2 hours earlier? it will fail just after ibp16:34
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xarsesibp packs all of the deps for Ceph?16:35
xarsesOpenstack?16:35
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xarsesmy understanding it would be the bare OS like in anaconda or debian-installer16:36
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kozhukalovwhen you install ubuntu from upstream you usually get all necessary packages, but if you install from your own broken mirror, then something gonna go wrong, and you'll know about that after a while (it is common situation)16:36
kozhukalovxarses: ibp does not install extra packages, just base OS16:38
kozhukalovthen puppet installs everything else16:38
xarseskozhukalov: yes, it will break, and often. but we literally switched to providing everything on the fuel node specifically to avoid problems with fetching packages from remote repos. We must do somthing to ensure we dont regress here16:38
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kozhukalovwe certainly don't have engineering resources to implement repos validation by 6.116:39
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kozhukalovare there any other q?16:41
xarsesWe need options then to help limit the impact. I think worse case we could move the make repo code from the iso into the master and allow the user to build and point to their own mirror16:41
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maximovwhy we cannot download packages through apt-proxy and failover to official repos in case of failure? sorry for newcomer question16:43
kozhukalovas far as I know we are going to deliver kind of script which allows user to make its own mirror from upstream16:43
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barthalionmaximov: we discussed similiar option using squid16:43
xarsesso next topic, When would we consider applying granular deployment patterns to the rest of the nailgun tasks (specificly provisioning)16:44
barthalionmaximov: it doesn't solve everything, but is surely way to go16:44
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xarsesby the way, the granular deployments stuff is AWESOME, way to go guys!16:44
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kozhukalovxarses: can not answer16:46
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xarsesit would be useful to compose custom tasks that could provsion (few)-> deploy(few) -> provsion (remaining) -> deploy (remaining)16:47
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xarsesfor cases like if you want to deploy a KVM host, and make VM's for the controllers from it16:47
kozhukalovyes, that certainly would be great to use this pattern16:48
xarsesOK, food for thought16:48
xarsesthanks16:48
kozhukalovthank you guys for attending16:48
kozhukalovif there is no other q, then ending16:49
kozhukalov#endmeeting16:49
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hyakuhei#startmeeting openstack security group17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb 26 17:00:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
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hyakuheiGood morning/evening/whatever everybody!17:00
sigmavirus24o/ hyakuhei17:00
elmikoyo/17:00
tmcpeako/17:00
singlethinko/17:01
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hyakuheiOh, good crowd :D17:01
sigmavirus24elmiko: whatchu doing here? =P17:01
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hyakuheiheh.17:01
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elmikosigmavirus24: hehe17:01
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michaelxinhi17:02
hyakuheiOk so I’ve been on the road the whole time since our mid-cycle so this is going to be a fairly open meeting.17:02
hyakuheiAgenda wise I’d like to discuss a few things17:02
ukbelchHowdy all17:02
hyakuheiAnchor, Bandit and Docs progress, security guidelines17:02
hyakuheiWhat eles?17:02
hyakuhei*else17:02
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hyakuheibpb_: == Bryan Payne?17:03
tmcpeaklooks like a good list hyakuhei17:03
hyakuheiok great so Anchor and Bandit were the two technical projects that we focussed on last week17:03
* bdpayne is here :-)17:04
hyakuheiand updates/change requests have continued to flow for both which is awesome17:04
hyakuheihey bdpayne !17:04
hyakuheiDo you want to talk about the guide at all?17:04
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bpb_hyakuhei: bruce b17:04
dave-mccowano/17:04
hyakuheiHey Bruce.17:04
bpb_hey17:04
bdpaynesure, I can talk about the guide at some point17:05
hyakuheiCool17:05
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hyakuheiSo one thing we also did was write a bunch of developer oriented security guidelines17:05
hyakuheihttps://github.com/hyakuhei/OSSG-Security-Practices17:05
elmikohyakuhei: nice, +117:06
bknudsonthere's a note on the mailing list about cross-project developer guide, so maybe that would be a good place for these.17:06
hyakuheiThat will be moved to the openstack-security organisation on github for now while we work out a nice way to publish it into OpenStack proper17:06
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hyakuheibknudson: can you fwd me that?17:06
tmcpeakme too please17:06
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hyakuheiIn other news I’ve been working with the TC on making us a formal part of OpenStack17:06
hyakuheiI’ll have more to share on that soon :)17:07
ukbelch+117:07
michaelxin+117:07
bknudsonlooking for the link.17:07
hyakuheiSo as we’ve had two great weeks of contributions and code development I really don’t have much to complain about here :P17:07
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bknudson#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/057816.html17:08
hyakuheiGreat thanks bknudson17:08
bknudson"creating a unified developer reference manual"17:08
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hyakuheiOk so I’ve raised the things I needed to (longer meeting next week)17:08
hyakuheiOpen agenda, bdpayne, tmcpeak etc anything to discuss17:09
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tmcpeakI can take Bandit for a while17:09
tmcpeakprovide update, etc17:09
hyakuheiplease do17:09
hyakuhei#topic bandit17:09
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tmcpeakcool, so we got a ton of great stuff done last week at the mid-cycle17:09
tmcpeakfletcher and browne have started with development17:10
tmcpeakljfisher is now a core17:10
bknudsoncongrats to ljfisher17:10
tmcpeakcongrats ljfisher!17:10
ljfisheri’ll try not to let the power go to my head :)17:10
sigmavirus24ljfisher: that's the wrong thing to do ;)17:11
tmcpeakwe have merged a lot of changes17:11
bdpayne;-)17:11
fletcherniiiiiice, congrats17:11
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tmcpeakfletcher: want to introduce yourself briefly for those who weren't at the meetup?17:11
elmikoljfisher: grats!17:11
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fletchersure, I'm rob fletcher and I do application security things at uber! I have an irrational fear of the ocean and bears17:12
tmcpeaklol, perfect17:12
ljfisherand bringer of swag17:12
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* bknudson wore uber hoodie today17:12
fletcher:)17:12
bdpaynefletcher I wore my Uber hoodie yesterday and everyone in my office wanted one ;-)17:12
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tmcpeak1internet fail17:13
tmcpeak1:(17:13
tmcpeak1anyway, so yeah.  Bandit used in Keystone17:13
tmcpeak1bknudson: you mentioned wanting somebody to attend Keystone meeting?17:13
bknudsony, if we're going to enable it for keystone should answer questions from other cores / developers17:13
bknudsonif they have any questions.17:13
tmcpeak1ok cool17:13
tmcpeak1sounds good17:13
ukbelchI feel like those aren't irrational btw17:14
bknudson#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157930/17:14
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dave-mccowani ran Bandit against the Barbican source code.  i opened a bug against Bandit, since it's treating DocStrings like source code Strings.17:14
bknudson^ is in-progress change to add tox env for keystone17:14
bknudsonwill keep working on it as bandit changes, and then it'll be available to enable the gating17:15
hyakuheiI’m really excited about having Bandit land in a gate17:15
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tmcpeakok, I think I have procured better internet17:15
tmcpeakanyway, bknudson what are the details17:15
tmcpeakmaybe a few of us can attend17:15
bknudsonI think people are going to want to know what bandit does17:15
bknudsone.g., might have a question about what kind of checks it does17:16
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bknudsonand how to configure it... where's docs17:16
tmcpeakcool, should definitely be able to answer any of those questions17:16
tmcpeakoh.. the docs17:16
tmcpeak:\17:16
bknudsonand what the output looks like currently... can run the tox -e bandit to see that.17:16
tmcpeakour docs are pretty immature/non-existent17:16
tmcpeakbut yeah, I'm happy to show up and answer any questions17:16
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tmcpeaksend out the details?17:16
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bknudson#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting17:17
tmcpeakI'd encourage anybody else interested to attend that meeting too, will be interesting to see what our first real world gate test user thinks17:17
bknudsonadd yourself to the agenda if you can make next week.17:17
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tmcpeakok cool, will do17:17
tmcpeakanybody else have anything they want to mention for Bandit?17:18
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hyakuheior for anything else :) bdpayne maybe?17:18
bdpayneSure, I'll give some quick book updates17:18
hyakuhei#topic Security Guide17:18
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bdpayneFirst, we are going to have a weekly meeting to discuss the book in more detail17:19
bdpaynethat will be in #openstack-security on Mondays at 10a17:19
bdpayneshould run for no more than 30 min17:19
bdpaynewe will triage bugs, plan work, etc17:19
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bdpaynea few other things worth mentioning:17:19
elmiko10a pacific that is17:19
bdpayne10a pacific, yes, thanks :-)17:19
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bdpayne1) we plan to start releasing versions of the book for each openstack release starting with Liberty17:20
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bdpayneso we will be needing to start planning for that very soon here17:20
bdpayne2) we are working to get a series of checklists into the book that will help people consume the content17:20
hyakuheiI think that’s a great idea!17:21
bdpayne3) we recently took an entire new chapter (thanks elmiko!) on data processing17:21
elmiko=)17:21
bdpayne4) we added to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/How_To_Contribute#Writers_.2F_Editors to make it a little easier for people to find out how to get involved, but I think more details would be even better17:21
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bdpayneThat's all that I have unless there's some discussion / questions on the book17:22
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bdpaynehyakuhei back to you then17:22
hyakuheiwoo!17:22
hyakuheiSo I don’t have a huge amount to share this week, there’s some interesting stuff I’m working out with the TC that should result in some cool announcements next week :) Tune in again, same time, same place!17:23
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hyakuheiSo I should extend my thanks to everyone who came to and contributed remotely to the OSSG mid-cycle17:24
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bdpayneindeed, it was a great week last week17:24
hyakuheiit was a really excellent week, thanks everyone!17:24
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bdpaynethanks to HP and Rackspace for the sponsorship of the week!17:24
ljfisherthanks for getting it all organized17:24
hyakuheiI’m really pleased you found it useful17:24
bknudsonlooking forward to 6 months from now17:24
hyakuhei+117:24
fletcher me too, i found the meetup really beneficial17:25
fletcherthanks everyone17:25
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hyakuhei#endmeeting17:25
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Feb 26 17:25:55 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)17:25
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2015/openstack_security_group.2015-02-26-17.00.html17:25
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2015/openstack_security_group.2015-02-26-17.00.txt17:26
hyakuheiThanks all!17:26
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2015/openstack_security_group.2015-02-26-17.00.log.html17:26
elmikohyakuhei: thanks!17:26
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tonytan4everclear18:57
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obulpathi#startmeeting Weekly Poppy Meeting19:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Feb 26 19:01:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is obulpathi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'weekly_poppy_meeting'19:01
obulpathi#topic RollCall19:01
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tonytan4evero/19:01
obulpathiAlright who is all here?19:01
obulpathihi tonytan4ever19:01
tonytan4everhi19:01
catherineRo/19:02
obulpathihi catherineR :)19:02
catherineRHi, Coming to you from rax.io!19:02
obulpathidid you meet amit, malini and sriram?19:02
obulpathianyone from fastly, maxcdn, akamai, edgecast, or hybernia?19:03
catherineRI did! Next year, I'll meet you and Tony!19:03
obulpathicool19:03
obulpathilooking forward :)19:03
mpanettao/19:03
tonytan4eversounds good.19:03
obulpathialright, lets ge tthe part started19:03
obulpathi#topic Review Last Weeks Items19:03
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obulpathi#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-02-19-19.00.html19:04
obulpathidid everybody read the api changes?19:04
tonytan4everI am working on oneof the change, so I ready part of it.19:04
obulpathiI did some reading and updated the notes to amit19:05
tonytan4everStill need to catch up on the log delivery part.19:05
obulpathicool tonytan4ever19:05
obulpathiawesome19:05
obulpathibut since most of us are not here, lets carry forward the action items to next week19:05
obulpathi#action malini to read the api changes19:06
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obulpathi##action sriram to read the api changes19:06
obulpathi#action obulpathi to read the api changes19:06
obulpathi#action tonytan4ever to read the api changes19:06
obulpathi#action amitgandhi to read the api changes19:06
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obulpathialright, lets move on to blupeprints19:07
obulpathi#topic Blueprint Updates19:07
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obulpathi#link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/kilo-319:07
obulpathiis miqui here?19:08
miquihi obulpathi19:08
obulpathihey hi19:08
miquiam sorry i am in middle of hackathon....19:08
obulpathioh ok19:08
miquidid you have a question ?19:08
obulpathijust checking if there is any update on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/home-doc19:08
miquii have a patch from a few days ago...19:09
miquiwaiting for review...19:09
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obulpathiok .. alright everybody, lets get miqui's patch reviewed19:09
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obulpathithanks miqui for update :)19:09
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tonytan4everOK19:10
obulpathi#sriram https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/queue-driver19:10
obulpathisriram is not here today19:10
obulpathibut, this patch got merged19:10
obulpathiI can not update the status, so leaving it to amit19:10
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mpanettaOops19:11
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mpanettawb19:11
obulpathiok, so lets continue19:11
obulpathi#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/gate-api-tests19:11
obulpathiamitgandhi is not here19:12
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obulpathiso, lets skip update on this one too19:12
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obulpathiAny new blueprints?19:12
tonytan4everhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/shared-ssl19:12
tonytan4everI am primarily working on this one this week19:12
obulpathicool19:13
tonytan4everThis one is is started19:13
obulpathinice, I will give amitgandhi an action item to update the blueprint status19:13
obulpathias I cannot update them19:13
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obulpathi#topic Bugs Update19:14
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obulpathi#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy19:14
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obulpathiany update on bugs?19:15
obulpathiok19:15
obulpathiso I created the scripts to remove service name nulls from cassandra19:15
obulpathithis is for a temporary fix for the service_name becoming null issue19:16
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obulpathiwe need to figure out why its happening and fix it19:16
obulpathiok, let move on19:16
obulpathi#topic New Items19:16
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obulpathiany news items you people want to discuss?19:17
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obulpathialright19:17
obulpathino new new items19:17
obulpathilets move on to open discussion then19:17
obulpathi#topic Open Discussion19:17
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tonytan4everJust so you guys know19:18
tonytan4everphoenix has released a PR addressing cassandra schema migraiton:19:18
tonytan4everhttps://github.com/BryanSD/phoenix/commit/51796994fc4eb8d30075e233c0a29de0c251230219:18
tonytan4everI will adopt that to Poppy19:19
mpanettaHmm19:19
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tonytan4everAnyway we will use cdeploy to implement cassandra schema migration19:20
obulpathitonytan4ever: awesome :)19:20
obulpathiplease create a blueprint for this19:20
obulpathialright, anything else?19:21
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obulpathicool, thats it everybody19:21
catherineRbye!19:21
obulpathithanks for joining us today, see you all next week19:21
obulpathiuntil then stay warm!19:22
obulpathi#endmeeting19:22
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/weekly_poppy_meeting/2015/weekly_poppy_meeting.2015-02-26-19.01.html19:22
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/weekly_poppy_meeting/2015/weekly_poppy_meeting.2015-02-26-19.01.txt19:22
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