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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 5 15:00:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all! | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov1 | hi | 15:00 |
| lpabon | o/ | 15:00 |
| markstur_ | hi | 15:00 |
| geguileo | Hi all | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
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| toabctl | hi | 15:01 |
| kaisers | hi | 15:01 |
| ganso_ | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | we're almost done with a bunch of stuff | 15:01 |
| marcusvrn | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | looks like dev status is first thing on the agenda today though | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic dev status | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dev status (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
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| vponomaryov1 | Dev status: | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov1 | 1) Nova network plugin | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov1 | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/nova-network-plugin | 15:02 |
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| vponomaryov1 | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/160393 | 15:02 |
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| vponomaryov1 | status: ready for review | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov1 | 2) RO access in Generic Driver | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov1 | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/generic-driver-ro-access | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov1 | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/161176 | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov1 | 3) Multiple export locations | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov1 | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/multiple-export-locations | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov1 | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/159927 | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov1 | 4) Private share types | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov1 | BP: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/private-share-types | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov1 | gerrit: #link https://review.openstack.org/157794 | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov1 | that's the main | 15:03 |
| bswartz | cool | 15:03 |
| bswartz | everything is ready for review | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov1 | I gues 3 is interesting for lots of driver maintainers | 15:03 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:03 |
| bswartz | I think we've discussed all the above items before | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | yeah #3 is interesting | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | if any driver developers want to slip in a patch to support it, you've got 2 weeks (if you can do it in a small patch) | 15:04 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov1: you forgot to mention manage/unmanage, which is still pending | 15:05 |
| bswartz | the code for that is in good shape, but we need to add generic driver support so we can exercise/test the code | 15:05 |
| vponomaryov1 | bswartz: it was mentioned several times before =) | 15:05 |
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| vponomaryov1 | bswartz: long playing one | 15:05 |
| bswartz | yeah I just want eveyont to be aware that it's hanging out and still receiving attention | 15:06 |
| bswartz | okay if there's no questions on that then | 15:06 |
| bswartz | #topic K-3 deadlines | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "K-3 deadlines (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:06 | |
| bswartz | so this shouldn't be news to anyone, but TODAY is the K-3 feature proposal freeze | 15:06 |
| bswartz | it looks like almost everyone has been diligent about getting their BPs completed | 15:07 |
| bswartz | thank you for striving to meet the deadline | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | #link https://launchpad.net/manila/+milestone/kilo-3 | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | all the BPs look good, with the exception of nileshb's | 15:08 |
| bswartz | nileshb: ping | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | hmm he's not here it seems | 15:08 |
| bswartz | he indicated to me before that he was fine with the ganesha work slipping to liberty | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | and that's done now | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | so the BPs are in good shape, the bugs are not | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | we'll need to turn our focus to bugs in a week or two | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | right now we have 2 weeks until feature freeze | 15:10 |
| bswartz | reviewer should prioritize reviews for BPs targeted at K-3 | 15:10 |
| bswartz | we want to merge everything on that list | 15:10 |
| bswartz | if other stuff comes in, review it at lowest priority | 15:10 |
| bswartz | if big new feature patchsets show up, I will -2 them | 15:11 |
| bswartz | small patchsets to add driver support for multiple export locations or manage/unmanage are okay, but they need to be small | 15:11 |
| bswartz | any questions about these deadlines? | 15:12 |
| bswartz | right now I'm planning on granting no feature freeeze exceptions -- I think we're in good shape on everything | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | wow you guys are easy | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | #topic backslashes on CIFS export paths | 15:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "backslashes on CIFS export paths (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:13 | |
| kaisers | *lol* | 15:13 |
| markstur_ | we're listening | 15:13 |
| toabctl | bswartz: still listening :) | 15:14 |
| bswartz | so a question came up last week about what kind of slashes to use for CIFS share export paths | 15:14 |
| bswartz | most of the existing drivers use forward slashes, which doesn't make a lot of sense | 15:14 |
| bswartz | HP even submitted a patch to change from back slashes to forward slashes, which is what brought this up | 15:15 |
| markstur_ | / is handy on linux mount -t cifs // | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov1 | bswartz: let driver decide it, and, after multiple export locations implementation - even more | 15:15 |
| bswartz | I see no reason to use forward slashes | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov1 | bswartz: allowing both or some one | 15:15 |
| bswartz | markstur_: that's the only advantage I can think of for forward slashes, but I HIGHLY doubt that any real users will use CIFS+Linux together | 15:16 |
| bswartz | I expect CIFS will be used by Windows users for the most part | 15:16 |
| bswartz | Linux users are likely to stick with NFS | 15:16 |
| bswartz | thus we should be providing paths that are Windows friendly | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov1 | bswartz: both, using multiple export locations =) | 15:16 |
| u_glide | vponomaryov1: +1 | 15:17 |
| bswartz | //share/path can't be copy/pasted into a windows command line | 15:17 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov1: the purpose of multiple export locations is to provide different actual paths, not just different formats for the same path | 15:17 |
| markstur_ | Both is handy, but maybe not as clean as just the one if there is any confusion about a "first one" | 15:18 |
| bswartz | it may be that \\10.0.0.1\my_share and \\10.0.0.2\my_share are actually the same share | 15:18 |
| bswartz | I know that linux command line tools can deal with backslashes with appropriate quoting/escaping | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | anyways, ultimately it is up to the driver to return these paths, but I think the manila community should agree on a convention that everyone should stick to | 15:19 |
| bswartz | and I propose that backslashes should be preferred when displaying CIFS export locations | 15:19 |
| lpabon | bswartz: i agree | 15:20 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1 | 15:20 |
| markstur_ | +1 | 15:20 |
| bswartz | I plan to submit a patch to make changes to existing drivers, but with some vendor drivers might do weird things, so I might not catch all the cases | 15:20 |
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| toabctl | +1 | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov1 | bswartz: in kilo? | 15:20 |
| bswartz | yes | 15:20 |
| bswartz | ideally before Feature Freeze | 15:21 |
| bswartz | I consider it a bug that our CIFS paths are not windows-friendly, but because it's a user-visible change it should go in before FF | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | initial investigations indicate that changing forward to backslashes won't cause any problems in the API layer or DB layer | 15:22 |
| bswartz | so this should be an easy change | 15:22 |
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| markstur_ | does it makes sense to have manager or driver.py flip what is returned by drivers? | 15:22 |
| bswartz | markstur_: I considered that, and I can see problems | 15:22 |
| markstur_ | so you don't have to change them all | 15:23 |
| bswartz | I would rather that the drivers just return the right thing | 15:23 |
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| markstur_ | agree. just asking | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | it's a really small change, as you demonstrated in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161031/ | 15:24 |
| markstur_ | so close to a commit | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | do we have xyang2 here by any chance? | 15:24 |
| cknight | markstur_: :-) | 15:24 |
| ganso_ | markstur_: +1 | 15:24 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: hi | 15:25 |
| ganso_ | nvm bswartz +1 | 15:25 |
| bswartz | xyang2: did you have an opinion on this? | 15:25 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: sorry I haven't completed followed. the backslash thing? | 15:25 |
| bswartz | yeah we're trying to agree that all cifs share export paths should have backslashes rather than forward | 15:25 |
| bswartz | do you see any problems with that? | 15:26 |
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| xyang2 | bswartz: it seems ok, we just need to test driver after the change | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | yeah | 15:26 |
| bswartz | expect a patchset from me soon | 15:26 |
| xyang2 | ok | 15:26 |
| bswartz | I'll try to fix all the breakage I find | 15:26 |
| bswartz | but extra eyes from driver maintainers will be good | 15:26 |
| markstur_ | it'll be good to get that consistent look and even better when we auto-mount | 15:27 |
| bswartz | #agreed cifs export locations returned from drivers should have backslashes only, ben will submit patch to change existing drivers | 15:27 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:28 | |
| bswartz | so just a reminder: daylight savings time is coming this weekend, so people in the US will see this meeting move 1 hour later on their calendars | 15:28 |
| bswartz | next week it will be 8AM Pacific / 11AM Eastern | 15:28 |
| bswartz | it's still 1500 UTC for non-US people | 15:29 |
| markstur_ | wooo hoo | 15:29 |
| bswartz | that should be nice for the west coast people especially | 15:29 |
| bswartz | u_glide: did you want to talk about horizon at all today? | 15:29 |
| bswartz | anyone else have a topic -- we'd got plenty of time | 15:30 |
| u_glide | yes | 15:30 |
| u_glide | Recently I have proposed to make some investigation related to horizon dashboards. | 15:30 |
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| u_glide | Does anybody familiar with this topic? | 15:31 |
| bswartz | a little | 15:31 |
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| u_glide | example of external dashboard https://github.com/openstack/sahara-dashboard/tree/stable/icehouse | 15:31 |
| bswartz | u_glide: why only icehouse? did they abandon that approach in juno: | 15:32 |
| bswartz | ? | 15:32 |
| u_glide | No, they integrated in core since kilo | 15:32 |
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| u_glide | or juno | 15:33 |
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| u_glide | I don't know that | 15:33 |
| bswartz | is the mechanism used by them still the same? | 15:33 |
| u_glide | :) | 15:33 |
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| u_glide | no, after integration all code was moved to openstack_dashboard | 15:33 |
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| bswartz | which code was moved? the sahara code or the horizon code? | 15:34 |
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| u_glide | sahara code was moved in horizon default dashboard | 15:34 |
| u_glide | https://github.com/openstack/horizon/tree/master/openstack_dashboard | 15:35 |
| bswartz | right but how were they getting their dashboard code to load inside of horizon prior to the move? | 15:35 |
| u_glide | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/sahara/horizon/installation.guide.html | 15:36 |
| bswartz | our horizon code has a bunch of changes to the core horizon modules to link in our pages | 15:36 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov1: have you taken a look at this before? | 15:37 |
| vponomaryov1 | bswartz: no, see first time | 15:37 |
| u_glide | bswartz: probably we can reduce this changes | 15:37 |
| bswartz | okay well I'm hopefully this kind of approach might work | 15:37 |
| bswartz | it would allow us to not need to maintain a fork of horizon at the very least | 15:37 |
| bswartz | and possibly it would allow us to move our horizon integration into a contrib dir | 15:38 |
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| toabctl | can you provide a link to our current fork? | 15:38 |
| bswartz | https://github.com/NetApp/horizon/tree/manila_juno | 15:38 |
| bswartz | we put it on the netapp github because we couldn't find a better home for it | 15:38 |
| bswartz | I would be MUCH happier to have this under gerrit change control | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | we intend to update this fork to be kilo-compatible | 15:40 |
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| u_glide | bswartz: >> and possibly it would allow us to move our horizon integration into a contrib dir - I think it's bad idea in this case | 15:40 |
| bswartz | if we can do something better though, such as u_glide's suggestion, I'm open to that approach | 15:40 |
| bswartz | u_glide: you propose a whole new repo? | 15:40 |
| u_glide | yes, because this dashboard should have own tests | 15:41 |
| u_glide | and CI jobs | 15:41 |
| u_glide | like horizon compatibility tests | 15:41 |
| bswartz | hmm well that doesn't sound like a kilo thing -- probably liberty | 15:42 |
| markstur_ | is our horizon broken lately or just on my devstacks? | 15:43 |
| bswartz | although if it's separate, we could start with kilo | 15:43 |
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| u_glide | yes, it's big amount of work | 15:43 |
| bswartz | markstur_: it will work if you're running juno | 15:43 |
| vponomaryov1 | markstur_: it is juno - compatible only right now | 15:43 |
| bswartz | markstur_: if you try with kilo, expect big problems | 15:43 |
| markstur_ | was good until recently | 15:43 |
| markstur_ | ok | 15:43 |
| bswartz | the plan is to fix our horizon branch *after* the horizon feature freeze in 2 weeks | 15:43 |
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| vponomaryov1 | actually: this one is "nice to have" | 15:44 |
| bswartz | markstur_: maybe volume_type->share_type rename broke things? | 15:44 |
| vponomaryov1 | but not a must | 15:44 |
| vponomaryov1 | we can support latest manila based on "juno horizon" | 15:45 |
| markstur_ | bswartz, maybe | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | there are 4 things working together here: | 15:45 |
| bswartz | manila version | 15:45 |
| bswartz | manila client version | 15:46 |
| bswartz | horizon version | 15:46 |
| bswartz | and version of horizon-manila fork | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | actually I guess the horizon version doesn't count if you're running the fork | 15:46 |
| bswartz | so 3 things | 15:46 |
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| vponomaryov1 | right | 15:46 |
| bswartz | if you get the manila client version to match the horizon-manila fork version you can make it work | 15:47 |
| bswartz | the first thing to fix in the fork is to support modern manila clients | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov1 | and new features in general | 15:47 |
| bswartz | then to support changed features from during kilo | 15:47 |
| bswartz | okay so expect to hear more about horizon after the feature freeze | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | I look forward to an investigation of better ways to maintain our dashboard | 15:48 |
| bswartz | u_glide: :-) | 15:49 |
| bswartz | okay anything else? | 15:49 |
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| u_glide | bswartz: ok | 15:49 |
| bswartz | I think that's it for today | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | thanks all | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov1 | thanks | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 5 15:50:34 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-03-05-15.00.html | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-03-05-15.00.txt | 15:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-03-05-15.00.log.html | 15:50 |
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| kozhukalov | hi guys | 16:00 |
| evgeniyl___ | Hi | 16:00 |
| angdraug | o/ | 16:00 |
| kozhukalov | is anybody here? | 16:00 |
| barthalion | \o | 16:00 |
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| vkramskikh | hi | 16:01 |
| daniel3_ | hi | 16:01 |
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| kozhukalov | we have empty agenda today | 16:01 |
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| kozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 5 16:01:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov | #chair kozhukalov | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: kozhukalov | 16:01 |
| akislitsky | hi | 16:01 |
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| mkwiek | hi | 16:01 |
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| xarses | o/ | 16:01 |
| salmon_ | hi | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov | We've just started | 16:01 |
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| kozhukalov | Today we have just open discussion | 16:01 |
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| bookwar | actually there is a lot going on with our merges, but i guess everyone has been just to tired to be ready for status report | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov | my suggestion is to discuss what we've managed to merge | 16:02 |
| sbog | hi all | 16:02 |
| salmon_ | and what we didnt :) | 16:03 |
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| xarses | kozhukalov: sounds good | 16:03 |
| agordeev | hi | 16:03 |
| kozhukalov | ok, i have some info about ubuntu external repos | 16:04 |
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| kozhukalov | 14.04 is merged | 16:04 |
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| kozhukalov | so, we are rebasing our feature and try to rub bvt | 16:05 |
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| kozhukalov | ikalnitsky: around? | 16:05 |
| ikalnitsky | yep | 16:06 |
| kozhukalov | afaik you've just started another attempt to build iso | 16:06 |
| ikalnitsky | yes, i did | 16:06 |
| ikalnitsky | and it's failed | 16:07 |
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| ikalnitsky | is there any devops? | 16:07 |
| ikalnitsky | bookwa, around? | 16:07 |
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| ikalnitsky | bookwar ^^ | 16:07 |
| teran_ | ikalnitsky: yup | 16:07 |
| kozhukalov | rebase related issues? | 16:07 |
| ikalnitsky | teran_: do you know something about failed custom iso? | 16:07 |
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| teran_ | ikalnitsky: 6.1 ? | 16:08 |
| ikalnitsky | as far as i see, jenkins jon failed to fetch debian installer | 16:08 |
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| ikalnitsky | yes, custom 6.1 iso | 16:09 |
| ikalnitsky | build no 525 | 16:09 |
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| kozhukalov | some detailed info about external ubuntu repos feature is available here | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/consume-external-ubuntu | 16:09 |
| ikalnitsky | it looks like it's the same issue tht we have with trusty yesterday | 16:09 |
| bookwar | ikalnitsky: there were issues with custom builds, but we fixed them | 16:09 |
| bookwar | ikalnitsky: how about we move discussion of you particular case into to #fuel-dev? | 16:10 |
| ikalnitsky | ok | 16:10 |
| bookwar | general CI status: custom iso should work, fuel ci should work | 16:10 |
| xarses | kozhukalov: have we been able to do anything about mirror building or mirror validation yet? | 16:11 |
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| kozhukalov | ikalnitsky: if you build iso with this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161640/3 it is not going to work because it needs one extra patch set here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161208/4 | 16:11 |
| ikalnitsky | kozhukalov: ok, i'll keep in mind | 16:12 |
| kozhukalov | xarses: what exactly do you mean? split mirrors? | 16:12 |
| ikalnitsky | though i've tried to build without them | 16:12 |
| xarses | for external ubuntu repos | 16:13 |
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| kozhukalov | xarses: if so, it is better to ask vitaly parakhin | 16:13 |
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| kozhukalov | xarses: he is working on building separate ubuntu repos | 16:13 |
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| kozhukalov | xarses: our work is mostly to make fuel understand several repos with pinning | 16:14 |
| angdraug | looks like vitaly is not here | 16:15 |
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| kozhukalov | xarses: but afaik Vitaly promised to finish his patch today | 16:15 |
| brain461 | I'm here | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | ikalnitsky: do you know anything about this? | 16:15 |
| brain461 | and patch is ready for review, as well as prepared Ubuntu mirror for 6.1 | 16:16 |
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| xarses | yes, but I mean, we need to be able to on the fuel node build local mirror of the packages needed by the install | 16:16 |
| brain461 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161222/ | 16:16 |
| kozhukalov | brain461: GREAT | 16:16 |
| brain461 | we ship MOS packages via iso | 16:16 |
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| brain461 | regarding the caching solution for master node - PL team is investigating it, afair | 16:17 |
| xarses | yes, but what happens when i want to / need to / build a local mirror of the operating system packages? | 16:17 |
| kozhukalov | xarses: afaik we are not going to build mirror on the fuel node | 16:17 |
| xarses | kozhukalov: we MUST have a solution for this | 16:18 |
| xarses | otherwise we are back to fuel 3.0.1 | 16:18 |
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| kozhukalov | xarses: user is going to set several repos via UI and then we will use these repos/mirrors | 16:18 |
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| brain461 | we want to preprare script that will create a local copy for upstream mirror. full upstream or only pkgs required by fuel - it's still to be considered | 16:19 |
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| xarses | yes, and if they provide their own mirror, we must be able to validate that it has all the packages | 16:19 |
| xarses | we can't just start and expect all the packages to be around | 16:19 |
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| brain461 | yes, we should validate downloaded packages in some way, at least by checksum | 16:20 |
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| kozhukalov | xarses: the flow is supposed to be like this: we test our deployment with official ubuntu mirror, and if it works, then for a user it is just recommended to use full mirror (internet/local) | 16:22 |
| angdraug | kozhukalov: should be the other way around | 16:22 |
| angdraug | we include the repo download and validation script in the test scenario | 16:23 |
| kozhukalov | xarses: we have a chance to check if our deployment works with updated mirror around one week before it become official | 16:23 |
| kozhukalov | canonical make kind of update announcements | 16:23 |
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| xarses | kozhukalov: packages change and disappear from external repos all the time. mirrors could be un-available. Hey we even have it listed that we won't use the mirror list | 16:24 |
| xarses | instead we pick a single site | 16:24 |
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| kozhukalov | if user defines a mirror which is not compatible with our deployment it is all up to a user | 16:24 |
| xarses | no | 16:25 |
| xarses | we have to give them the tools to check it | 16:25 |
| xarses | we know what we need | 16:25 |
| xarses | not the user | 16:25 |
| xarses | we have these tools already | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | how is this tool going to look like? | 16:25 |
| xarses | in fuel-main | 16:25 |
| xarses | crap for now | 16:26 |
| xarses | but they must exist | 16:26 |
| xarses | and must be documented | 16:26 |
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| kozhukalov | xarses: should it be a button on ui? | 16:26 |
| xarses | kozhukalov: it should have been. its too late for that now | 16:27 |
| kozhukalov | kinda 'validate my repos' | 16:27 |
| angdraug | you can at least make it a pre-deployment check | 16:27 |
| agordeev | kozhukalov: i think i know about what xarses is talking. Do you remember the fact that fuel-main builds its own repos with all needed packages somehow? | 16:27 |
| vkramskikh | we had a plan to implement this button on UI, did the plans change? | 16:28 |
| angdraug | can you still do it in time for feature freeze? | 16:28 |
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| kozhukalov | agordeev: yes, and we going to get rid of this scheme at all | 16:28 |
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| xarses | kozhukalov: agordeev, yes worse case we can make the fuel-main make mirror scripts work inside the fuel master node | 16:29 |
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| xarses | at least it's something | 16:29 |
| angdraug | kozhukalov: looks like you've missed last week of discussions in the separate-mos-from-linux spec | 16:29 |
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| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148279/33..35/specs/6.1/separate-mos-from-linux.rst | 16:30 |
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| kozhukalov | angdraug: yes, absolutely | 16:30 |
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| angdraug | to sum up, we agreed that local repo creation and validation has to remain in scope | 16:30 |
| angdraug | and xarses is arguing for reusing the code from fuel-main to save some implementation time | 16:31 |
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| kozhukalov | i am sorry i did not take part in those discussions, but my opinion is the opposite | 16:32 |
| angdraug | opposite to which part? | 16:32 |
| angdraug | keeping this part of the feature in scope, or reusing fuel-main code? | 16:33 |
| kozhukalov | i am sure we need to stop rebuilding mirrors and continue to call them ubuntu and centos | 16:33 |
| kozhukalov | if we build mirror with our own versions of packages we need to start calling it mos without any references | 16:34 |
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| angdraug | if we cleanly separate our packages from what we take verbatim from ubuntu, why is that still a problem? | 16:34 |
| kozhukalov | if we separate, then it is ok, ubuntu is the copy of upstream nothing else | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov | exact copy of upstream | 16:35 |
| xarses | kozhukalov: my issue is not with shipping an iso with these packages | 16:35 |
| xarses | kozhukalov: my issue is that the user MUST have tools to build local mirrors | 16:36 |
| xarses | the user must have tools to validate their mirrors | 16:36 |
| agordeev | xarses: to build or just to validate ? | 16:36 |
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| angdraug | both | 16:36 |
| kozhukalov | i mean user defines a set of repos: 1) copy of upstream 2) mos packages (not basic linux) | 16:36 |
| xarses | agordeev: in a perfect world, both. I could be convinced to live with one of the two | 16:36 |
| angdraug | yes, and we have to give them the tools to build and validate (1) | 16:36 |
| kozhukalov | we need to validate mos part far before we deliver it to a user | 16:37 |
| angdraug | I can't be convinced to live with just one of the two :) | 16:37 |
| angdraug | of course | 16:37 |
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| angdraug | which is why I also argued on that review I linked that we must include mos packages on the iso and not force user to download them from us | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov | 1) is EXACT copy of upstream 2) is EXACT copy of mos | 16:38 |
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| kozhukalov | nothing to be build | 16:38 |
| kozhukalov | we need to build them not on master node | 16:38 |
| kozhukalov | we need to build them on our ci | 16:38 |
| angdraug | 1) is a STRICT SUBSET of upstream | 16:38 |
| xarses | kozhukalov: how do you know that 1) will work for fuel /mos | 16:38 |
| kozhukalov | and then deliver it as is | 16:38 |
| xarses | kozhukalov: how do you know that 1) has all the packages we expect | 16:39 |
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| kozhukalov | 1) NOT SUBSET | 16:39 |
| kozhukalov | 1) MIRROR | 16:39 |
| kozhukalov | it is a full mirror | 16:39 |
| angdraug | mirror is going to be 30GB worth of packages even if you don't take multiverse | 16:39 |
| xarses | you expect some one to have a full mirror of ubuntu lying around? | 16:39 |
| xarses | isn't that 30 gb | 16:39 |
| kozhukalov | we don't need to put it on the master node | 16:40 |
| xarses | =) | 16:40 |
| xarses | no we dont | 16:40 |
| kozhukalov | there are to possibilites | 16:40 |
| angdraug | downloading 3GB iso sucks badly enough | 16:40 |
| xarses | IF we moved the make mirror script to the fuel master | 16:40 |
| kozhukalov | first is the mirror available via internet | 16:40 |
| kozhukalov | second is a customer has it is own mirror | 16:40 |
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| xarses | it would pull all of the packages we need | 16:40 |
| angdraug | mirror on the internet is a poor man's option that should never be offered as the first choice | 16:41 |
| xarses | kozhukalov: no, customers only keep partial mirrors | 16:41 |
| kozhukalov | if customer's local mirror is broken then it is all up to a customer | 16:41 |
| angdraug | fuel is already too biased towards people setting up poc's in virtualbox | 16:41 |
| xarses | and the from the internet isn't a good choice, it breaks all the time | 16:41 |
| angdraug | lets not make it even worse | 16:41 |
| xarses | it sounds like we need to have a voice call on this | 16:42 |
| kozhukalov | mirror can not be a subset | 16:42 |
| angdraug | as I said, we already had a week's worth of discussion across 3 spec reviews | 16:42 |
| kozhukalov | mirror is what you get when you make a copy | 16:42 |
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| xarses | kozhukalov: can you invite the relevant feature leads to discuss this. | 16:42 |
| brain461 | why 30gb, btw? we need only one distro (trusty), not the whole ubuntu mirror - it should take ~5gb even with multiverse | 16:42 |
| kozhukalov | xarses: yes, voice call is what we actually need ) | 16:43 |
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| angdraug | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Debmirror#Start_The_Mirror_Build_Process | 16:44 |
| angdraug | trusty = 60G | 16:44 |
| xarses | sounds like smaller if we dropped 32bit, but ya... way too big | 16:44 |
| xarses | no one who maintains their own repo keeps a full mirror | 16:44 |
| xarses | they use it as a gate for package control | 16:45 |
| kozhukalov | what we need to provide to a customer is the script which make a mirror (exact copy of upstream) if a customer does not want to use internet | 16:45 |
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| kozhukalov | or maybe caching proxy is also not a bad option | 16:45 |
| angdraug | kozhukalov: you're going in circles | 16:45 |
| angdraug | we had extensive discussions about exactly what you're talking about | 16:45 |
| angdraug | it's counterproductive to reiterate them all here | 16:46 |
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| xarses | we have already beat caching proxy's to death, they fall through too much | 16:46 |
| kozhukalov | ok | 16:46 |
| zigo_ | If we offer the possibility to download from internet, the possibility to also use an official Ubuntu CD should be added too, IMO. | 16:46 |
| angdraug | please have a discussion with feature leads in MSK to catch up, and then lets have a voice call | 16:46 |
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| kozhukalov | angdraug: sure | 16:47 |
| kozhukalov | do, we have anything else to discuss? | 16:47 |
| angdraug | yes | 16:47 |
| angdraug | I have a question about *-updates release series in LP | 16:48 |
| zigo_ | kozhukalov: Why would we need anything not in Ubuntu main? | 16:48 |
| angdraug | looks like I'm in the same situation as you: I must have missed that discussion | 16:48 |
| kozhukalov | zigo_ : it was one of the options, but it is terrible from user experience point of view | 16:48 |
| zigo_ | Canonical has all of OpenStack in main, AFAIK. | 16:48 |
| angdraug | no | 16:48 |
| angdraug | we have a bunch of packages not from main | 16:48 |
| zigo_ | angdraug: Which part isn't? | 16:49 |
| salmon_ | meetings without agenda sucks ;) | 16:49 |
| kozhukalov | zigo_: because we have lots of patches | 16:49 |
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| zigo_ | (please don't mention the python-xstatic... ;) | 16:49 |
| angdraug | salmon_: +100500 | 16:49 |
| angdraug | can we please shelve the ubuntu discussion and move on to my question? | 16:49 |
| kozhukalov | salmon_: you are welcome to add topics into agenda | 16:49 |
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| kozhukalov | angdraug: which question? | 16:50 |
| angdraug | the question is why do we need separate *-updates release series for every release? | 16:50 |
| angdraug | that adds an order of magnitude of complexity to our bug triage and release management | 16:50 |
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| angdraug | and I don't see any benefits whatsoever | 16:51 |
| kozhukalov | it is better to ask aglarendil | 16:51 |
| angdraug | if a patch is not suitable for 6.0-updates, it shouldn't be in 6.0.x release series, either | 16:51 |
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| angdraug | aglarendil: ^^^ | 16:52 |
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| zigo_ | What you wrote makes sense dmitry. | 16:52 |
| bookwar | andreaf: the plan is that -updates branch is for updates which can be applied randomply | 16:52 |
| bookwar | angdraug: ^^ | 16:53 |
| bookwar | sorry :) | 16:53 |
| angdraug | define randomly | 16:53 |
| angdraug | and why shouldn't the same requirement apply to everything in 6.0.x? | 16:53 |
| bookwar | stable/6.0 is for updates which are released, like 6.0.1, and you can do update from 6.0 to 6.0.1 | 16:53 |
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| bookwar | 6.0-updates is for individual updates | 16:54 |
| angdraug | why should 6.0.1 be more than the sum of individual updates? | 16:54 |
| bookwar | update for a package which is delivered as a new package or even via some random bash script | 16:54 |
| angdraug | any random bash script can be delivered as a pacakge | 16:54 |
| bookwar | individual updates are exceptional and require additional checks | 16:55 |
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| bookwar | if this bash script does something on your compute nodes you deliver it in a package and then you add 3-pages long instruction how to run it, 6.0-updates branch is for these very custom exceptional cases | 16:56 |
| angdraug | my point is, we should do the same checks for everything in 6.0.1, and maybe reduce the number of fixes we backport to only those that can pass those checks | 16:56 |
| xarses | angdraug: +1 | 16:56 |
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| xarses | If we bothered to backport it, the asumption is people want/need to consume it | 16:56 |
| bookwar | we don't check that fix which comes to 6.0.1 HEAD can be cherry-picked on top of 6.0 without other changes | 16:56 |
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| xarses | bookwar: we are building packages from these, not patches | 16:57 |
| angdraug | at least I hope we do | 16:57 |
| xarses | the package should allways be rebuilt from HEAD | 16:57 |
| kozhukalov | 3 minutes | 16:57 |
| bookwar | so sometimes people need to apply those very special changes independently of our release cycle, as we don't have 6.0.1 release yet, and they don't want to move to 6.0.1 at all, but they want this particular fix | 16:57 |
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| angdraug | so they should take a package from 6.0.1 package repo | 16:58 |
| angdraug | along with all its dependencies | 16:58 |
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| bookwar | actually i am not defending this position, i am explaining it, and as i understand discussion is in progress here, and this is considered to be 'temporary' | 16:58 |
| xarses | then we build a package for it and push it to stable | 16:58 |
| angdraug | I understand, and thanks for explaining it to us | 16:58 |
| xarses | I don't understand how we should be excluding any change from this process | 16:59 |
| bookwar | angdraug: they take a package but our QA team doesn't check that this package can be taken alone | 16:59 |
| angdraug | what you're telling us confirms my worry that it will significantly increase our complexity | 16:59 |
| angdraug | so, QA burden is also increased | 16:59 |
| bookwar | yes, it will | 17:00 |
| xarses | time | 17:00 |
| kozhukalov | ok, guys, let's move our discussion to another channel | 17:00 |
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| kozhukalov | thanx everyone | 17:00 |
| kozhukalov | ending | 17:00 |
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| kozhukalov | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 5 17:00:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-03-05-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-03-05-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-03-05-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| ukbelch | o/ | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:01 |
| elmiko | o/ | 17:01 |
| gmurphy | o/ | 17:01 |
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| redrobot | o/ | 17:01 |
| ljfisher | o/ | 17:01 |
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| tkelsey | o/ | 17:01 |
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| bknudson | hi | 17:01 |
| bpb_ | o/ | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | Rob might have a conflict.. just checking | 17:02 |
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| ukbelch | thar she blows | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | #startmeeting openstack security group | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 5 17:02:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack security group)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Hi All! | 17:02 |
| sicarie | hello! | 17:02 |
| redrobot | ohai! | 17:02 |
| ukbelch | Hola! | 17:03 |
| bpb_ | hey | 17:03 |
| ljfisher | hi | 17:03 |
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| fletcher_ | greetings | 17:03 |
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| elmiko | salutations | 17:03 |
| nkinder | hi all | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: you’re alive! | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder: welcome back | 17:04 |
| dwyde | howdy | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | Looks like a good crowd | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | Agenda items: | 17:05 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei, tmcpeak: thanks! | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Summit | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | OSSN | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Anchor | 17:05 |
| nkinder | finally don't have a meeting conflict | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | Bandit | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | Thank god! | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | Any more agenda items? | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | Maybe we should put ‘agenda’ on the agenda :) | 17:06 |
| nkinder | SSL gate | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | We should consider using the wiki for it like Barbican, Keystone and others. | 17:06 |
| nkinder | or TLS gate... | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | ok lets start then lots to go through | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | #topic summit | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | There’s a lot of great security content this year, running all week! It might make it hard to organise an OSSG meetup that everyone can attend | 17:07 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 17:08 |
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| elmiko | have they announced the accepted talks yet? | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | No | 17:08 |
| nkinder | yeah, a meetup always seems difficult | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Track chairs are busy shaping things | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Which this year includes myself and bdpayne | 17:09 |
| ukbelch | congrats guys :) | 17:09 |
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| bknudson | how many slots? | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei | 15! | 17:09 |
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| bdpayne | ~15 | 17:09 |
| nkinder | wow | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | I know, my constant bitching must be wearing them down | 17:10 |
| elmiko | hehe, very nice | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | We’ve come a long way from hong kong that’s for sure | 17:10 |
| bdpayne | and I think there are around 60 submissions | 17:10 |
| bdpayne | so we should be able to put together a nice security track | 17:10 |
| elmiko | cool | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | ok so yes, I’ll be trying to get us some proper space for the OSSG, design summit time for bandit and anchor too if possible | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah it’s going to be great, I’m really excited about it | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | that would be awesome | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | ok lets roll onto the next item, OSSN | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | how feasible is it more me to teleconference in some way for bandit design summit? | 17:11 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: pretty difficult... | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | yeah design summits are hectic | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | ahh ok, you guys can hold it down :) | 17:11 |
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| hyakuhei | If you’re not there best to act as a remote reviewr | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | possibly or something similar | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | anyway - OSSN | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: fancy giving an overview? | 17:12 |
| nkinder | Sure | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | I see a few in the queue recently | 17:12 |
| nkinder | There have beena few published recently, and the queue has about 7-8 IIRC | 17:12 |
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| nkinder | A few are pretty old... | 17:12 |
| nkinder | Some are assigned and marke "in progress" | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | Is it worth having a push on the old ones? | 17:13 |
| nkinder | I'd like to see if they need to be free'd up for others to take | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: loves writing OSSNs … :D | 17:13 |
| nkinder | so, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1163569 | 17:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1163569 in OpenStack Security Notes "security groups don't work with vip and ovs plugin" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Steven Weston (steve.weston) | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | lol, he does? | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: +1 | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah didn’t that go through a round of review then stall out completely? | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | Was doug’s originally too I think | 17:14 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: I don't see a submitted OSSN review in the LP | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Maybe I’m confusing it with another one, I’ll check my backlog | 17:14 |
| nkinder | The cinder bug says Fix Released for this as well | 17:14 |
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| hyakuhei | Cinder has a fix for an OVS/vip issue? | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, I'm confused | 17:15 |
| nkinder | well, the LP says fixed at least. Not sure if it's really a fix. | 17:16 |
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| nkinder | sorry, mixing up links | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder: you sure we're talking about the same? | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | so sweston isn’t here I’m guessing ? | 17:16 |
| nkinder | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1329214 is the other stalled cinder one | 17:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1329214 in OpenStack Security Notes "tgtadm iscsi chap does not work" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Steven Weston (steve.weston) | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | pinged him in #openstack-security | 17:16 |
| sweston | here now | 17:16 |
| sweston | "if you ping I will be there" | 17:17 |
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| hyakuhei | :D | 17:17 |
| sweston | hehe, yes not sure what do do with this one | 17:17 |
| nkinder | sweston: hey, we were wondering about the status of a couple of your OSSN bugs | 17:17 |
| nkinder | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1329214 | 17:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1329214 in OpenStack Security Notes "tgtadm iscsi chap does not work" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Steven Weston (steve.weston) | 17:17 |
| nkinder | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1163569 | 17:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1163569 in OpenStack Security Notes "security groups don't work with vip and ovs plugin" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Steven Weston (steve.weston) | 17:18 |
| sweston | nkinder: yes, I need to close these out | 17:18 |
| nkinder | sweston: are you blocked on anything, or is it just getting time? | 17:18 |
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| sweston | on the first one, need to complete verification. but yes, mostly time | 17:19 |
| sweston | I will put a few hours into these bugs tomorrow, and ping with any questions | 17:20 |
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| nkinder | ok, understandable :) | 17:20 |
| nkinder | I'm guilty myself with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1390124 | 17:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1390124 in OpenStack Security Notes "No validation between client's IdP and Keystone IdP" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Nathan Kinder (nkinder) | 17:20 |
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| nkinder | I'll work on getting a draft before next week's meeting | 17:20 |
| sweston | ok :-) yay, I'm not the only one, hehe | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | That’d be great! | 17:20 |
| nkinder | There are 4 others up for grabs here - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/ | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Are there any more ‘entry-level’ OSSNs that might stand out for newer members to have a try at? | 17:21 |
| nkinder | some look pretty easy at first glance | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | I'd say this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1401170 | 17:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1401170 in Glance "0-size images allow unprivileged user to deplete glance resources" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Stuart McLaren (stuart-mclaren) | 17:21 |
| nkinder | the pecan one for example | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah the pecan one looks good | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | I’ve grabbed one too | 17:22 |
| nkinder | OSSNs are a great way to achieve fame and glory! (...or so I'm told) | 17:22 |
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| hyakuhei | All the glory! | 17:22 |
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| tmcpeak | the first one I wrote came up in an internal company discussion yesterday :D | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | Awesome, thanks for the summary nkinder | 17:22 |
| bknudson | do you get ATC for an OSSN? | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | Any more to discuss on OSSN ? | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | bknudson: yes. | 17:23 |
| bknudson | that's 600 bucks. | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | Heh true | 17:23 |
| nkinder | Yep! | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | cool | 17:24 |
| nkinder | Nothing else on OSSNs | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Anchor | 17:24 |
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| hyakuhei | Just a quick heads up, we’ve done a bunch more work on this recently, lots of refactoring and introduction of sanity :) we’re looking for reviews/contributors | 17:24 |
| bdpayne | cool! | 17:25 |
| bdpayne | can you provide a quick overview of the recent work? | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | Sure | 17:26 |
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| hyakuhei | So Doug landed a patch that moved us over to JSON configs as you know from all your help bdpayne | 17:26 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | That kind-of broke functionality a bit, tkelsey has a patch in flight to fix that, a combination of mine and dougs work as well as his | 17:26 |
| fletcher_ | hyakuhei: can you also provide a very brief description of Anchor so potentially new contributors (read: me) can gauge interest? | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | We’ve added a bunch of unit tests | 17:26 |
| tkelsey | heh yeah | 17:26 |
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| fletcher_ | I looked it up, but it's a wall of text :) | 17:26 |
| tkelsey | im actually adding functional test right now | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Sorry, sure fletcher_ | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Anchor is an Ehpemeral PKI platform. It provides some easy ways to do PKI and in some configurations can provide you with strong assurance | 17:27 |
| fletcher_ | Ah ok, yah, that's right | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:27 |
| fletcher_ | we talked about it at the meetup | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah | 17:28 |
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| hyakuhei | So lots of unit tests (more to come) but going in the right direction :) | 17:28 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:29 |
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| hyakuhei | tmcpeak et al | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | there has been a flurry of development work on Bandit | 17:29 |
| fletcher_ | I'm intersted in helping, although I don't have any experience with that sort of thing. anyways, sorry for the interruption | 17:29 |
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| fletcher_ | hyakuhei ^ | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | notably check-ins from David Wyde, fletcher, belch | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | fletcher_: awesome :) | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | ljfisher | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | browne | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | chair6 | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | I think I'm missing one | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | anyway tons of great check-ins | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | keep them coming! | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | :D | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | the other thing that happened this week was I attended the Keystone meeting to intro Bandit | 17:30 |
| ukbelch | it's worth mentioning that the change I pushed was a pretty considerable one. When you guys run it against stuff, keep an eye out for any oddities and file bugs | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson set that up | 17:30 |
| fletcher_ | fwiw, the changes we've made have gone a long way in the CI efforts here, so I really appreciate everyone's help reviewing and commiting things! | 17:30 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah, I'm amazed with the participation level in Bandit now | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | have tons of great devs doing great things, I spend at least an hour a day now on just reviews | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | which is awesome | 17:31 |
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| fletcher_ | we'll be publizing bandit via technical blog posts too | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | fletcher_: oooh ++ | 17:31 |
| bknudson | I think we got good support from the rest of the keystone team to get bandit running on keystone code. | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: can you give an overview of the Bandit keystone intro please? | 17:32 |
| bknudson | so, no pushback there. | 17:32 |
| ljfisher | i’m impressed with the good reception | 17:32 |
| ukbelch | I have some plans for next-steps with regards to the contextual awareness, which may lead to first-steps in flow analysis, but that's a bit down the road | 17:32 |
| bknudson | they had some concerns about whether bandit was going to expose potential security vulnerabilities | 17:32 |
| fletcher_ | lol wut, that's the whole purpose right? | 17:32 |
| ukbelch | they didn't want it to? :) | 17:32 |
| bknudson | well, they don't want it to be the first thing exposing an existing horrible bug. | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | this is a good point | 17:33 |
| fletcher_ | Is bandit being run in a public forum? | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | I spoke to ljfisher about it, we're thinking we should implement something to scan OpenStack projects when we implement a new test | 17:33 |
| nkinder | manually running it should help with that then | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | to make sure we aren't dropping 0 days or something | 17:33 |
| bknudson | yes, the results will be totally public. | 17:33 |
| nkinder | fletcher_: yes, CI results are public | 17:33 |
| ukbelch | well, if it's exposing them, then obviously they have failed to find them thus far... | 17:33 |
| nkinder | ...but anyone can just run it and find issues themselves too | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | bknudson: But in the gate it’ll be checking new code | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder: yeah, that's pretty much the stand I took | 17:34 |
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| hyakuhei | So finding a 0day before it’s merged should be ok right :) | 17:34 |
| nkinder | I get their point though. Just run it privately first to see what it reports | 17:34 |
| fletcher_ | what hyakuhei said | 17:34 |
| ljfisher | we should at least think about what to do before adding new tests in Bandit if they expose serious bugs | 17:34 |
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| ukbelch | sticking their heads in the sand doesn't protect them from 0day lol | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, I can see both sides | 17:34 |
| nkinder | Once it's in CI with a clean baseline, it will keep new issues out of committed code | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | yeah | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | I also made a sensible profile for Keystone to use | 17:34 |
| ljfisher | we are on a touchy line | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | that includes our solid tests, but removes some of the noisy ones | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | You’re going to want to go through a round of quickfixes to make it play nice in the gate anyway I think | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | This is very exciting | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, we're very close | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | We should also put Bandit in the Anchor gate :) | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | and they are excited to use it | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | that would be awesome | 17:35 |
| bknudson | so we need it in pypi | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | we should put Bandit in the bandit gate too | 17:35 |
| fletcher_ | I've talked with the creator of PyPi about it | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: yeah, I was just waiting for flurry to die down | 17:35 |
| ljfisher | yes :) | 17:35 |
| fletcher_ | he seems open | 17:35 |
| bknudson | then I can update my keystone job | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | Are they likely to add Bandit (with a stronger set of profiles) to the Keystone run_tests scripts that devs can run locally? | 17:35 |
| bknudson | then I or someone can update infra to run it. | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: we didn't discuss that | 17:36 |
| bknudson | then we can all party. | 17:36 |
| fletcher_ | oh, you mean Bandit in PyPi. I meant running bandit on all things in PyPi | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | fletcher_: lol, that would be… interesting | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | fletcher_: I like your ambition :D | 17:36 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | finally, ljfisher and I moved our TODO section from wiki to proper launchpad blueprints | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | Any more on Bandit ? | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | and did a little bug pruning | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | nope, should be good | 17:37 |
| ukbelch | it may be worth considering grouping tests some way, so it's possible to select test-sets | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | ukbelch: sure, let's synch after | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | Great | 17:38 |
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| hyakuhei | nkinder: want to talk about the TLS gate you mentioned ? | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | #topic TLS Gate | 17:38 |
| nkinder | SUre | 17:38 |
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| nkinder | A lot of groundwork has been laid by rcrit for making TLS gate tests possible | 17:39 |
| nkinder | He's been able to run the entire set of gate jobs with TLS enabled for all services | 17:39 |
| nkinder | ...all passing | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | Wow thats great! | 17:39 |
| bknudson | devstack? | 17:39 |
| nkinder | Patches for everything are in aside from just proposing the gate job | 17:39 |
| nkinder | bknudson: yes | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | what do you mean TLS gate tests? | 17:40 |
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| nkinder | tmcpeak: Enabling TLS for all openstack services (as deployed by devstack), then running the full gate suite that exists today | 17:40 |
| nkinder | Today, TLS isn't enabled for anything | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | wow | 17:40 |
| bknudson | TLS-only | 17:40 |
| rcrit | I've tested with the smoke tests so far | 17:40 |
| bknudson | right? | 17:40 |
| nkinder | ...and devs constantly break TLS | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | that's awesome | 17:40 |
| elmiko | yea, very cool | 17:41 |
| nkinder | bknudson: yes, no http AFAIK (rcrit can confirm) | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | I’d like to know more about the tests | 17:41 |
| ljfisher | is there a way we could run the TLS grading tests, like what qualsys put up, on this | 17:41 |
| rcrit | it just runs tempest against a set of secure servers | 17:41 |
| bknudson | hyakuhei: the tests aren't anything specific to security / TLS | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | So these aren’t tests of the efficacy of the TLS configuration etc just that secure tunnels are working ? | 17:41 |
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| hyakuhei | bknudson: figures | 17:42 |
| bknudson | can add them once the TLS gate is up. | 17:42 |
| nkinder | correct | 17:42 |
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| rcrit | right, at this point it is a constant battle just to keep TLS working with the major services | 17:42 |
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| nkinder | hyakuhei: we keep finding things where people hard-code "http" for example | 17:42 |
| rcrit | if working TLS becomes part of the gate job then it will be up to the submitter to not break things | 17:42 |
| nkinder | ...or they break the CA validation | 17:42 |
| bknudson | not sure what that kind of test would get you though... nobody deploys with devstack, right? | 17:42 |
| rcrit | no but it will ensure that the underlying code is sound in at least some configuration | 17:43 |
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| hyakuhei | Excellent work! Thanks for the effort rcrit! | 17:43 |
| bknudson | oh, I'm fine with the functional testing... I'm just not sure what you would get from a test for which ciphers are supported or whatever. | 17:43 |
| nkinder | bknudson: agreed | 17:43 |
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| hyakuhei | So not using obviously bad things by default might be good | 17:44 |
| nkinder | this just keep people from totally breaking TLS | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | Bandit will check all that soon enough though :) | 17:44 |
| bknudson | so a test where the cert is bad so client ops fail would be good. | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | :) | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | Yup | 17:45 |
| nkinder | So what's left is ensuring nobody has introduced new bugs against TLS since the last run (they probably have), then proposing the changes to enable the gate job | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | Like verify=false | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | which would likely make gate testing easier :P | 17:45 |
| nkinder | I'd like to get some traction behind the review to enable the gate job once it's proposed | 17:45 |
| bknudson | I'm looking forward to the gate test, so great work. | 17:45 |
| bknudson | link? | 17:45 |
| nkinder | A lot of people may not really care about TLS in the gate, but it's safe to say everyone here does | 17:45 |
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| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:45 |
| elmiko | ++ | 17:46 |
| nkinder | bknudson: not proposed yet. rcrit wants to run tempest to see if things have been broken again first. | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | Sensible! | 17:46 |
| bknudson | add me to the reviews if you want. this will help our group, so happy to review. | 17:46 |
| nkinder | bknudson: great | 17:46 |
| rcrit | and I need to write a new profile for the devstack-gate project to run the suite. That is where the patch will land. | 17:47 |
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| nkinder | anyway, this has been a long march and I wanted to let everyone know it's close to completion | 17:47 |
| bknudson | might be good to publicise this... | 17:48 |
| bknudson | e.g., the ops mailing list or -dev. | 17:48 |
| bknudson | you might get more support from operators. | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | Makes sense | 17:48 |
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| nkinder | yeah | 17:49 |
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| hyakuhei | Actually kind of brings us onto one more item | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: dev practice? | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | #topic mailing list | 17:49 |
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| hyakuhei | The time has come to kick the openstack-security mailing list over to ReadOnly, it’ll be used for security impact notifications etc but normal ML conversation should go via -dev using the [ossg] tag | 17:50 |
| bknudson | +1 | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | Over time we haven’t used -security enough to warrant having it and working on -dev will raise our visibility | 17:50 |
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| nkinder | +1 | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | Great so I’ll send an email out regarding that soon and we’ll just migrate over :) | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Any other business | 17:52 |
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| hyakuhei | I’m working still on getting OSSG recognised as a proper part of OpenStack | 17:52 |
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| tmcpeak | development practices | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | what's our path to move forward with them? | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | There’s some discussions around naming and tents of various sizes… I hope to have more for you all soon | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: It’s kinda of waiting on the inclusion work | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | what's that? | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | because that will affect how/where it gets published | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | oh | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | inclusion of OSSG into OpenStack proper | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | ok, I just want to make sure they don't get dropped | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | we all did a good amount of work on them | 17:54 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah they’re still there :) Doug tweaked a bunch of them recently | 17:55 |
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| tmcpeak | can we move them somewhere semi-permanent? and start promoting them? | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | Not yet | 17:55 |
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| tmcpeak | okies, I'll keep bringing this up every week until we can :D | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://github.com/openstack-security/Developer-Guidance | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | For those that care | 17:55 |
| sicarie | They could also be integrated into the sec guide - an 'openstack developer security best practices' section? | 17:56 |
| nkinder | sicarie: seems like a different target audience | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | Format might not be great, they’re supposed to be more conversational | 17:56 |
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| hyakuhei | They could certainly be referenced somewhere in there though | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, could still use some tone editing | 17:57 |
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| sicarie | nkinder - definitely a slightly different gear | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | tone is suppose to be informal and developer to developer | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | They certainly need some work to use a ‘single voice' | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | yeah | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | cool any last minute items chaps? | 17:57 |
| bdpayne | yeah, I don't think that the developer guidance is a good fit for the security guide | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | voice should match https://github.com/openstack-security/Developer-Guidance/blob/master/shell_injection.md | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | good meeting all :) | 17:58 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah thanks everyone! | 17:58 |
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| nkinder | Thanks! | 17:59 |
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| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 5 17:59:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2015/openstack_security_group.2015-03-05-17.02.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2015/openstack_security_group.2015-03-05-17.02.txt | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2015/openstack_security_group.2015-03-05-17.02.log.html | 17:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hey sahara folks | 18:01 |
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| elmiko | yo/ | 18:01 |
| tmckay | hello | 18:02 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 18:02 |
| Nikolay_St | o/ | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | @startmeeting sahara | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | oops :) | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 5 18:02:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| weiting | hi | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:02 |
| huichun_ | :) | 18:02 |
| tosky | hi | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon | 18:02 |
| crobertsrh | Looks like we're up to about 10 changes pending review at the moment, but we have seen a bit of an uptick in reviews over the past couple weeks. | 18:02 |
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| crobertsrh | Some are small ones that should [hopefully] be picked-up quickly | 18:03 |
| NikitaKonovalov | crobertsrh: yes looks like we are getting reviews | 18:03 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I'm still working on event log support | 18:03 |
| tosky | I added two test related reviews to the list; hopefully others will come soon | 18:03 |
| crobertsrh | tosky: I'll keep an eye out for test reviews. | 18:04 |
| NikitaKonovalov | it looks more or less working, but there are still a lot of things to be done | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:05 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info FPF is today | 18:05 |
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| elmiko | working on the barbican integration patch, hope to land it today or tomorrow. also putting together a bug for the swift passwords to get them migrated into barbican. | 18:05 |
| sreshetn1ak | working on patch with renaming sahara service | 18:05 |
| tosky | still working on tests (horizon, sahara) - and I would like to talk about tempest them especially if sreshetn1ak is around | 18:06 |
| tosky | (he is around) | 18:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | it means that all CRs for new features should be proposed till tomorrow, FPF exception are ok, please, ping me to discuss if you need an exception | 18:06 |
| sreshetn1ak | patches in tempest devstack and horizon on review | 18:06 |
| tmckay | I am working on job-types-endpoint changes, and default templates (is_default flag review is up, but not the default template CLI yet) | 18:06 |
| Nikolay_St | working on the new logging style. hopefully it'll be done until Monday. | 18:06 |
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| crobertsrh | I have a few more tweaks to the job execution guide. Those tweaks have also caused me to go back and fix-up a couple other forms in the UI so they'll play nicely with the guides. | 18:06 |
| huichun_ | working on hbase common lib on HDFS when running edp job https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sahara/+spec/edp-add-hbase-lib | 18:06 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: just to be clear you are talking about specs and not patch reviews? | 18:06 |
| alazarev | I was busy with internal customer-oriented stuff, so only updating my patches, making review | 18:07 |
| tmckay | seems like we have some gate errors that are common across CRs. Tempest service catalog issue, and heat_hdp_2 issue | 18:07 |
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| weiting | One bad news from Cloudera, finally they decided not to host cloudera cdh image on their site. | 18:07 |
| tmckay | elmiko, +1 on question | 18:07 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, I'm talking about code change requests - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/FeatureProposalFreeze is FPF description | 18:08 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: that language on the wiki is vague | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yeah | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let me try to explain | 18:08 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: specifically, if a spec has been approved do we need an exception to land changes against that spec? | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yup | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but we're doing FPF for the first time | 18:09 |
| * elmiko scratches head | 18:09 | |
| elmiko | so, technically, if i don't put the barbican integration code up (even though spec is approved), i need an exception? | 18:09 |
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| tmckay | so, I will need an exception against default-templates. And, my job-type-endpoint spec is not merged yet (more during open discussion) | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yeah, that's correct | 18:09 |
| elmiko | ooph, ok | 18:09 |
| tmckay | elmiko, I think so. but, exceptions come from the core team, not the os release wranglers | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I've send an email with reminder a few days ago | 18:10 |
| tmckay | so we control it ourselves | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, yup | 18:10 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: i saw the email, but i thought it applied to specs not code reviews | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | The project PTL, with the assistance of the core developers of the associated product, will evaluate the request and grant or deny the exception. | 18:10 |
| elmiko | ack, and we should send to ML for exceptions? | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | nope, let's just do it in IRC | 18:11 |
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| elmiko | ok, i need to request an exception for the code part of bp/improved-secret-storage =) | 18:11 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, can we set up an etherpad so we know which CRs are granted exceptions, so we don't workflow+1 non-approved changes by accident? | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's enough for us to have a brief discussion on IRC | 18:11 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: sounds good | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and i will maintain wiki page with a list of exceptions | 18:11 |
| tmckay | ah :) | 18:12 |
| tmckay | thanks | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:12 |
| elmiko | what about bug fixes ? | 18:12 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, it's only about new features | 18:12 |
| elmiko | k, awesome | 18:12 |
| tmckay | elmiko, if you can make it a bug, you can implement a new feature :) | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:12 |
| tmckay | bug: security needs more work | 18:13 |
| elmiko | my intention is to make a bug to move the swift passwords into the external key manager | 18:13 |
| elmiko | tmckay: lol | 18:13 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, I will definitely approve the fpf exception for experimental integration with barbican | 18:13 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | because risks are low and benefits are huge enough | 18:13 |
| tmckay | +1 | 18:13 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I really like that our security dreams are becoming true :) | 18:14 |
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| elmiko | me too! | 18:14 |
| tmckay | I feel safer already | 18:14 |
| elmiko | egafford: we talked about the fpf exceptions, you will need to make requests for the code portions of the specs that are up now. fyi | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, +1 ;) | 18:15 |
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| egafford | Working on shell job patches mostly. elmiko: Ah, good to know. | 18:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | oh, I've checked ACLs in gerrit for our stable branches in proejcts | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for all projects except sahara itself the core team has all permissions for stable branches | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, I think it's ok | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any other updates? | 18:17 |
| Nikolay_St | nope from my side | 18:18 |
| Nikolay_St | oh! | 18:18 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | you want to advertise your logs CR? :) | 18:18 |
| egafford | Question: I've been poking the job interface map change; because UI support definitely won't make Kilo, though, is it safe to assume this should slip to Liberty? | 18:18 |
| Nikolay_St | I remember. now hacking check don't verify if import groups a correct. | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Nikolay_St, is it a bug or as designed? | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | egafford, honestly I think it's safier to postpone to L | 18:19 |
| Nikolay_St | SergeyLukjanov: really don't know | 18:19 |
| egafford | (R/T updates as work on the job interface map is status, though I'll be happy to reintroduce the question in discussion. :) ) SergeyLukjanov: I agree; it's a non-trivial change. | 18:19 |
| Nikolay_St | SergeyLukjanov: we just faced it today during CR | 18:19 |
| Nikolay_St | SergeyLukjanov: I'll check it tomorrow | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | egafford, ok | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Nikolay_St, could you please investigate it? IMO groups checking is very important... | 18:20 |
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| Nikolay_St | SergeyLukjanov: yeap, sure | 18:21 |
| elmiko | speaking of logging, did anyone notice this http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-March/058226.html ? | 18:21 |
| tmckay | egafford, it's an awesome improvement, but okay for L. It was not in scope until long after Paris. | 18:21 |
| elmiko | a new logging working group | 18:21 |
| Nikolay_St | #action investigate hacking checks for import groups | 18:21 |
| elmiko | given all the logging work we've done recently, i think we should have someone as liaison to that gorup | 18:21 |
| elmiko | *group | 18:22 |
| Nikolay_St | elmiko: not me | 18:22 |
| egafford | tmckay: Ack. | 18:22 |
| Nikolay_St | elmiko: I'll attend next meeting | 18:22 |
| elmiko | Nikolay_St: yay! | 18:22 |
| Nikolay_St | SergeyLukjanov: what do you think about it? | 18:22 |
| elmiko | thanks, i think it's worthwhile | 18:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #action Nikolay_St to investigate hacking checks for import groups | 18:22 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | Nikolay_St, elmiko +1 | 18:23 |
| Nikolay_St | #action Nikolay_St attend next Log Working Group meeting | 18:23 |
| tmckay | #link https://review.openstack.org/161448 | 18:24 |
| tmckay | #link https://review.openstack.org/161250 | 18:24 |
| tmckay | #link https://review.openstack.org/157563 | 18:24 |
| tmckay | I need reviews on these. Specifically, there is a question about the output format from the python client, sample output is in the spec. And SergeyLukjanov had a question about relabeling fields in the REST response that was never resolved. I would like to get the spec and the client/engine CRs merged soon. | 18:24 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | Nikolay_St, I'll add you to the cross project liasons list as the sahara liasons for the log wg | 18:24 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, relabeling? | 18:25 |
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| Nikolay_St | SergeyLukjanov: ok | 18:25 |
| vgridnev_ | SergeyLukjanov, Nikolay, this hacking checks was removed from 0.10 version of hacking. They decided this changes too hard, and removed this checks | 18:25 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, yeah, let me find the comment. old patch set on the spec. You suggested different field names, but the field names are from the template records | 18:25 |
| Nikolay_St | vgridnev_: ok. but that sucks | 18:26 |
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| Nikolay_St | can we enable this check locally in Sahara? | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, oh, shame on me so :) | 18:26 |
| huichun_ | tmckay: does it mean i have the question with egafford? that i should merge horizon patch before their deadline? not our time on 3/19 ? | 18:26 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157563/5/specs/kilo/edp-job-types-endpoint.rst | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Nikolay_St, IMO we should add them to Sahara (as a 3rd party checks) | 18:26 |
| huichun_ | tmckay :same question like egafford | 18:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Nikolay_St, can you do it? (probably copy paste check from the git history of hacking :) ) | 18:27 |
| tmckay | huichun_, hmm, I missed the earlier question. Yes, though, I think for a horizon change we need to land on their schedule | 18:27 |
| Nikolay_St | SergeyLukjanov: yeap | 18:27 |
| tmckay | egafford, ^^ is this your understanding? | 18:27 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | tmckay: horizon follows the common schedule | 18:27 |
| NikitaKonovalov | the changes(if they are proposed in time) should be merged before the code freeze | 18:28 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, oh, I understand, probably we can do it as nesting this section under the single plugin field? | 18:28 |
| Nikolay_St | SergeyLukjanov: should I do it ASAP? before FPF? | 18:28 |
| tmckay | NikitaKonovalov, are they using FPF? | 18:28 |
| NikitaKonovalov | tmckay: not sure about that | 18:28 |
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| egafford | tmckay: I believe so, yes; we need to land Horizon changes per the Horizon team's guidelines. | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | Nikolay_St, it's not a new feature, so, it could be just a bug, so FPF will not apply for it | 18:29 |
| Nikolay_St | SergeyLukjanov: ok, get it | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:29 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I forgot to change topic ;) | 18:29 |
| egafford | (Speaking of which, there is a patch in Horizon re: Shell job forms which should be reviewed. :) ) | 18:29 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, nesting this section under the plugin field, not sure what you're referring to. Please add comments on the CRs and I will understand :) | 18:30 |
| NikitaKonovalov | egafford: is it in this list https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon ? | 18:30 |
| NikitaKonovalov | if not, please add it there | 18:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, ack | 18:31 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I've seen horizon cores use that etherpad to find patches for review | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmckay, I'll review it again today | 18:31 |
| tmckay | huichun_, so it sounds like you should follow the Horizon schedule, which sounds like a freeze on 3/19. Sooner is better :) | 18:32 |
| tmckay | SergeyLukjanov, thank you | 18:32 |
| egafford | NikitaKonovalov: Done; thanks. | 18:32 |
| Nikolay_St | guys, need your attention here | 18:32 |
| tmckay | huichun_, ^^ note this etherpad. Add something here when you have a CR up. | 18:32 |
| huichun_ | NikitaKonovalov: hi NikitaKonovalov， so does it mean that i should have add my horizon patch on the etherpad? | 18:32 |
| Nikolay_St | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154037/ | 18:33 |
| NikitaKonovalov | huichun_: yes, please add your horizon patches to that etherpad | 18:33 |
| huichun_ | tmckay: thanks you Trevor ^^ | 18:33 |
| tmckay | Nikolay_St, ack | 18:33 |
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| Nikolay_St | tmckay: thx | 18:34 |
| alazarev | I have several patches in horizon waiting for new sahara python client, I should wait for global requirements update, right? | 18:34 |
| alazarev | please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155428/ | 18:34 |
| tmckay | so, do we know what is causing gate failures? Seems like common errors across CRs, spells trouble | 18:35 |
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| egafford | tmckay: +1; we're seeing almost universal Tempest failures and very frequent HDP-heat failure. | 18:35 |
| tmckay | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160814/ | 18:35 |
| tmckay | for example | 18:35 |
| huichun_ | me too +1 | 18:36 |
| tmckay | service catalog problem (recent service name change?) | 18:36 |
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| tmckay | and heat-hdp_2, not sure about that one. maybe a message queue timeout? | 18:36 |
| elmiko | "APIException: Error occurred during validation" so informative lol | 18:37 |
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| elmiko | tmckay: that's what i suggested before! | 18:37 |
| tmckay | elmiko, yeah, depends what log you look in | 18:37 |
| elmiko | it only seems to happen on that hdp2 test though | 18:37 |
| tmckay | I wonder if we should make that hdp 2 test non-voting? Is that too aggressive? | 18:38 |
| elmiko | i wonder if there is a slow network issue that is exagerated by nova+heat+hdp2? | 18:38 |
| tmckay | it's holding things up. tempest too | 18:38 |
| tmckay | could be | 18:38 |
| egafford | Are we registering as data_processing or data-processing in our tempest tests? | 18:38 |
| tmckay | egafford, ? don't know | 18:38 |
| egafford | Looks like data_processing. | 18:38 |
| sreshetn1ak | as data_processing in mirantis ci | 18:39 |
| egafford | Okay. elmiko and I were talking about this earlier; I believe he theorized that we might need to switch to data-processing (though if that is the case, we have a fairly troublesome backward compatibility issue.) | 18:40 |
| tmckay | I wonder if we can register as both? | 18:40 |
| elmiko | that's my speculation | 18:41 |
| tmckay | sreshetn1ak, ^^ | 18:41 |
| elmiko | tmckay: i think we could, but we need 2 sets of endpoints then | 18:41 |
| elmiko | for the 2 different service ids | 18:41 |
| tmckay | we can't register the same endpoint under 2 names? | 18:41 |
| elmiko | no, they resolve to service ids | 18:41 |
| elmiko | i don't think it's an issue though since you are still going through keystone for the endpoints | 18:42 |
| egafford | Service type is a field of the service object, yeah. Endpoint just pks to service. | 18:42 |
| egafford | /s/pks/fks/ | 18:42 |
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| sreshetn1ak | tempest-sahara-tests don't use endpoints from service catalog | 18:42 |
| elmiko | ahh, well there goes that theory ;) | 18:42 |
| elmiko | sreshetn1ak: why are those errors complaining about the service catalog then? | 18:43 |
| tmckay | APIException: Failed to parse response from Sahara. Check if service catalog configured properly. | 18:43 |
| tmckay | so that error is not meaningful? | 18:43 |
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| elmiko | maybe it's just a bad error msg | 18:43 |
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| egafford | Presumably the client is suggesting that as the most likely problem in the most likely case. | 18:43 |
| elmiko | yea | 18:43 |
| egafford | (Where the most likely case is not our Tempest tests. :) | 18:43 |
| egafford | Still, good to know that's not the issue. | 18:44 |
| sreshetn1ak | i think need to see api logs | 18:44 |
| elmiko | sreshetn1ak: https://sahara.mirantis.com/logs/14/160814/3/check/tempest-sahara-tests/9dea7b8/console.html | 18:44 |
| elmiko | (one example) | 18:44 |
| tmckay | yeah, it's failing on everything. | 18:44 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: did you ever get in touch with the person who was looking for Kilo release information from us? | 18:45 |
| tmckay | I wonder if we can log the response, where it says "Failed to parse response from Sahara" | 18:45 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: malini1 was the name | 18:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, hm, probably yes | 18:46 |
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| elmiko | k, just following up =) | 18:46 |
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| sreshetn1ak | ekmiko: example don't contain sahara-api logs :( | 18:47 |
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| elmiko | doh! | 18:48 |
| tosky | before closing: tests. Question about the approach here, if you generally agree: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161370/ and about few points raised by sreshetn1ak/sreshetnyak | 18:49 |
| tosky | and related question to alazarev and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142632/ | 18:49 |
| tosky | (when you are done with the log issue) | 18:49 |
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| egafford | sreshetn1ak: Yeah, logs for that specific test don't seem to contain sahara-api logs even in the positive case (so we have null information rather than negative information.) | 18:49 |
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| sreshetn1ak | degorenko working on problem with logs | 18:50 |
| alazarev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142632/ need probably moved to heat repo | 18:50 |
| alazarev | *be moved | 18:51 |
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| alazarev | and question "what to do if there is no fake plugin" is definitely make sense, probably need to implement custom check in tempest | 18:52 |
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| tosky | alazarev: about this: if you check the other review, I had to face the same issue for API tests; maybe you can recycle the templates | 18:53 |
| tosky | s/recycle/reuse/ | 18:53 |
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| tosky | the question I have is: I defined only one template for each plugin, choosing a plugin version available in all supported openstack versions (as for tempest rules) | 18:54 |
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| tosky | should I change it to have more versions for each plugin, so that at least the latest one is always used for each plugin, or doesn't it matter? | 18:55 |
| elmiko | good question | 18:56 |
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| elmiko | i'm not sure on that one. i guess it depends how deep we want the testing to go | 18:57 |
| elmiko | also, will we need to then worry about deprecating older plugins? | 18:57 |
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| tosky | so, the templates are used for testing the basic API, so you don't need many combinations there | 18:57 |
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| elmiko | ah ok, in that case why not? | 18:58 |
| tosky | but, as I was suggesting, they could be used elsewhere (see alazarev patch), so maybe having more templates for more versions could be more useful | 18:58 |
| elmiko | yea | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 1 min left | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:58 |
| tosky | in the future they could be merged with the input templates used for the new set of tests too | 18:58 |
| elmiko | makes sense to me | 18:59 |
| tosky | any other opinion? You can comment also on the review(s) | 18:59 |
| tosky | pleeease do :) | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 5 18:59:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-03-05-18.02.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-03-05-18.02.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-03-05-18.02.log.html | 18:59 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: thanks! | 19:00 |
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| Nikolay_St | bye guys! | 19:00 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 5 19:00:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting' | 19:00 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic RollCall | 19:01 |
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| sriram | o/ | 19:01 |
| tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:01 |
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| catherineR | o/ | 19:01 |
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| miqui | o/ | 19:01 |
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| megan_w_ | o/ | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Review Last Week | 19:02 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/weekly_poppy_meeting/2015/weekly_poppy_meeting.2015-02-26-19.01.html | 19:02 |
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| * sriram opens link | 19:03 | |
| amitgandhinz | ok, looks like the main action item was to read the api changes | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | did ya'll do that? | 19:03 |
| sriram | yes | 19:03 |
| miqui | i did not... i was out 10 days or so... | 19:03 |
| tonytan4ever | I haven't yet. | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | the main items there was around the secure cert stuff, log delivery, | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever must have read about the secure cert stuff right? | 19:04 |
| tonytan4ever | Cert stuff I have read. | 19:04 |
| tonytan4ever | Yeah. | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | phew! | 19:04 |
| sriram | lol | 19:04 |
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| * tonytan4ever I was out of mind for a bit. | 19:05 | |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Kilo3 Update | 19:05 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/kilo-3 | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | so, i guess i need to publish another release since k3 ends today ;-) | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | looks like it will be a minor release since its mostly bug fixes + taskflow | 19:06 |
| sriram | wooo! :) | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | although one can argue taskflow was a major feature ==P | 19:06 |
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| sriram | haha, I think you made my point. | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, lets go through the bp's | 19:06 |
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| amitgandhinz | amitgandhinz: api tests run at the gate | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | this is still a WIP | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | i have a fastly mimic driver kind of working | 19:07 |
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| amitgandhinz | once i get all the tests passing on it (was failing on patch before), i can send in a final Patch | 19:08 |
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| sriram | cool, sounds good. | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | the next step will be to add docker to the gate server builds and have it run the api tests against mimic | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | ill mark it as good progress | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | miqui: Update Home Document | 19:09 |
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| miqui | last week i submitted a patch....with initial updates... | 19:09 |
| miqui | i have not seen the voting on it.... | 19:09 |
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| amitgandhinz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156920/ | 19:10 |
| sriram | I think there were some comments on it. | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | its almost there | 19:10 |
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| amitgandhinz | i think once these comments are addressed we should be able to merge it | 19:10 |
| miqui | ok... | 19:10 |
| miqui | someone sent me a spec of a home doc... | 19:11 |
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| miqui | looks very thourough.... | 19:11 |
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| miqui | so been thinking about that... | 19:11 |
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| miqui | so, move it to k4 i guess and i will look at the latest feedback | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | will do. thanks | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: Vanity SSL https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/vanity-ssl | 19:13 |
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| tonytan4ever | This one is just started. | 19:13 |
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| tonytan4ever | And I am learning the necessary params for Akamai SPS API to create a single cert. | 19:14 |
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| amitgandhinz | and i guess this story is related: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/shared-ssl | 19:14 |
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| tonytan4ever | Yes. | 19:15 |
| sriram | can this (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/cassandra-schema-versioning) be marked as done, I think tonytan4ever already has a patch merged. | 19:15 |
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| tonytan4ever | That one should be in review. | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | cassandra is merged tonytan4ever | 19:16 |
| sriram | amitgandhinz: I think he's talking about shared ssl | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | ah ok. | 19:16 |
| tonytan4ever | right, the Cassandra one is merged, shared ssl one is under review. | 19:16 |
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| amitgandhinz | I will keep it as good progress as the bp covers shared, san, and custom | 19:17 |
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| tonytan4ever | Ok. | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | ok any other blueprints we need to cover? | 19:19 |
| sriram | I think we covered the ones that are currently being worked on. | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | ok any bugs anyone wants to bring up? | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | i will spend some time today/tomorrow prioritizing them for k4 | 19:19 |
| obulpathi | I am almost done adding api tests to the domains bug | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | ok cool | 19:20 |
| obulpathi | so should be done by today | 19:20 |
| sriram | obulpathi was making some bugfixes, he might have something to add. | 19:20 |
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| * sriram must type faster :P | 19:20 | |
| obulpathi | sriram: :) | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | lol | 19:20 |
| obulpathi | this time you did | 19:20 |
| obulpathi | also I started cleanup the cassandra update queries | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic New Items | 19:21 |
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| amitgandhinz | nothing here... | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Open Discussion | 19:21 |
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| sriram | also, if this patch looks good. can we merge it and make it part of the release? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161752/ | 19:21 |
| sriram | since its taskflow related. | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | merged! | 19:22 |
| sriram | wooo | 19:22 |
| sriram | so thats the secret to getting patches merged :P | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, service reminder - daylight savings switch this weekend | 19:22 |
| sriram | amitgandhinz: good catch. | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | that means this meeting will happen one hour later next week | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | so 3pm EDT/2pm CDT | 19:22 |
| tonytan4ever | Also can this one get some review ? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158464/ | 19:23 |
| sriram | tonytan4ever: +1 | 19:23 |
| sriram | will do. | 19:23 |
| obulpathi | will do | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | sriram: +1's go in gerrit ;-) | 19:23 |
| * sriram pretends not to laugh, but cant hold it in :P | 19:23 | |
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| amitgandhinz | ok any thing else to talk about? | 19:24 |
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| sriram | I'm good. | 19:24 |
| sriram | tonytan4ever, obulpathi, miqui: ^ | 19:25 |
| miqui | am good... | 19:25 |
| tonytan4ever | Nothing for me/ | 19:25 |
| obulpathi | nothing from me | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | ok thanks everyone | 19:27 |
| sriram | see ya | 19:27 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 5 19:27:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-03-05-19.00.html | 19:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-03-05-19.00.txt | 19:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-03-05-19.00.log.html | 19:27 |
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