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amrithis it oslo meeting time?16:01
ihrachyshkashould be16:01
jungleboyjSupposed to be.  :-)16:01
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dhellmannamrith, yes we should be starting in just a sec when dims gets here16:01
bknudsonchuffed for this meeting.16:01
dimso/16:01
amrithhi dhellmann ... that dims guy ...16:01
amrithhrmph16:02
amrith./16:02
dhellmanndims is chairing the meeting today because I need to leave early16:02
amrithhi dims ;)16:02
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dims#startmeeting oslo16:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar  9 16:02:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dims. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:02
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GheRiveroo/16:02
harlowja_at_homeyo16:03
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amotokio/16:03
ihrachyshka\o16:03
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zzzeek\o16:03
dimsbnemec: jd__: flaper87 and others?16:03
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harlowja_at_homewho all is @ the operators meetup?16:04
jd__o/16:04
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dimsk let's begin16:04
bnemecSort of here.  Previous meeting running long.16:04
dims#topic Review action items from previous meeting16:04
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dimsdhellmann: any action items that needed our attention?16:04
* dhellmann checks the meeting logs16:05
dimsi see oslo.concurrency oslo.middleware mentioned16:05
dhellmannhttp://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-03-02-16.00.html has no action items listed16:05
dimsdhellmann: and the schedule16:05
bknudsonrelease oslo.policy (done)16:06
dimswe had a bunch of releases, so everyone please watch out for regressions16:06
dhellmannyeah, I think I released all but ~4 of our libraries today16:06
* harlowja_at_home likely should also release taskflow, but will wait for the current releases issues to calm down :)16:06
bknudsondhellmann must have a script.16:06
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dimsnice! lots of positive vibes in our announce emails16:06
bknudsonfor project in "": do release $project; done16:06
harlowja_at_homelol16:06
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dimsok moving on16:07
jd__when are we replacing dhellmann by a bot?16:07
jd__:-)16:07
dims#topic Red flags for/from liaisons16:07
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bknudsonnone for keystone...16:07
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GheRiveronone for ironic16:07
ihrachyshkanone for neutron16:07
jungleboyjNone for Cinder ... though we are at the point that some of the incubator updates are being asked to be held for Libery.16:08
dhellmannjd__: I'm thinking about how to automate the release emails further :-)16:08
jungleboyjDon't want big changes right now.16:08
bknudsonis there anything still to be moved from oslo-incubator?16:08
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dimsjungleboyj: thanks you mean oslo-incubator?16:08
dimsor oslo libs16:09
jungleboyjYes, oslo-incubator.16:09
dimsbknudson: i don't think so16:09
dimsjungleboyj: thanks16:09
jungleboyjHad a couple of syncs I wanted to do, but too late now.16:09
dimsok16:09
jungleboyjStill hoping to get the new config-generator code in though.16:09
dimsis everyone using oslo-config-generator?16:09
dimsNova isn't16:09
amrithdon't believe trove is.16:10
dhellmanndims: I don't think so. We should add that to our priority list for next cycle.16:10
bknudsonkeystone is.16:10
jungleboyjdims: Working on the patch for that now.  Takes a bit of work.16:10
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dims#dims - add oslo-config-generator to priority work for Liberty16:10
amrithbeing the luddite, would you please post a #link for oslo-config-generator16:10
dims#action - add oslo-config-generator to priority work for Liberty16:10
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dims#link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.config/generator.html16:11
amriththanks dims16:11
dimsrelated note, i polled oslo.log adoption16:11
dimsHeat - Done16:11
dimsNova - Done16:11
dimsKeystone - Done16:11
dimsGlance - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149344/ (from Louis Taylor)16:11
dimsNeutron - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159638/ (from Ihar Hrachyshka)16:11
dimsCinder - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157441/ (from Ivan Kolodyazhny)16:11
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dimsAnyone else doing oslo.log?16:11
dhellmannnice!16:12
dimsfor Kilo?16:12
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dimsmoving on16:12
kragnizdims: working on this right now!16:12
jungleboyjdims: We plan to merge Cinder's patch middle of this week.  Want those who are trying to get new features in done first.16:12
dimskragniz: nice thanks16:12
jungleboyjdims: Hope to have good news for the next meeting.16:13
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dimsnice16:13
dims#topic Feature freeze16:13
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dimsdhellmann: do you have some time to drive this?16:13
dhellmannsure16:13
dhellmannthis thursday is our feature-freeze cut off16:13
dhellmannI've released all but 2 of the libraries that had pending changes16:13
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dhellmannI pinged harlowja_at_home about debtcollector and taskflow but need to ask again16:14
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harlowja_at_homeprobably on my work computer; will check when i get in16:14
dhellmannthe change list is https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-kilo-feature-freeze-releases16:14
dhellmannI've proposed caps for oslo libs in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/16265616:14
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dhellmannthose assume that we don't have any major features in flight, and I think the only big things being worked on now are not likely to land in a safe state by thursday16:15
bknudsonwhat's ~= do?16:15
dhellmannso I'm sort of assuming that these releases are what we're using for kilo, and we'll create stable branches from those tags after thursday16:15
dhellmannbut we'll wait to do that until we're sure we don't need bug fixes16:16
dimsdhellmann: +116:16
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dhellmannbknudson: ~= means >=x.y.z,==x.y.* which means only patch releases against an x.y release16:16
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dimsdhellmann: what will the tags be named?16:16
dhellmannso ~=1.5.1 is compatible with 1.5.2 but not 1.5.0, for example16:16
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bknudsonok, thanks.16:16
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bknudsonthen we'll have stable branches.16:17
dhellmanndims: I expect we'll call them stable/kilo to ensure all of our stable tooling works as expected16:17
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dimsdhellmann: cool16:17
amrithdims ... question on the previous topic. Oslo.log16:17
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dimsyes amrith16:17
dhellmannbknudson: more background on the version numbers is in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155072/16:17
amrithdims, is oslo.log a requirement for kilo16:17
amrithor liberty?16:17
amrithI don't believe trove has done it yet.16:17
amrithhence the q?16:17
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dimsamrith: not pushing hard on Kilo, but would be great to have in Kilo16:18
dhellmannWe would like everyone to be using it by the end of liberty. The incubated version of that code is deprecated, and won't be updated. Bug fixes will come to the library, and you'll get them by adopting it.16:18
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dhellmannThat's consistent with our general policy of "please adopt new libraries by the cycle after they are graduated"16:19
bknudsonfor security maintenance reasons it would be great if everyone was using oslo.log rather than incubator.16:19
amrithdhellmann, dims ... I'll take the action for trove to get to oslo.log.16:19
amrithcurrently still using o.incubator16:19
amriththx16:19
amrithsorry for the interrupt16:19
dims#action amrith to drive trove to use oslo.log16:19
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dims:)16:19
dhellmannbknudson: jd__ also found an issue combining the incubated version and oslo.log through gnocchi's test suite16:19
dimsbrings us to16:19
dims#topic Releases for this week16:19
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dhellmann#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-kilo-feature-freeze-releases16:20
harlowja_at_homehmmm, etherpad really slow, lol16:20
dimsk we've talked about it already16:20
dims#topic Other policy reviews16:20
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dims#link requirements management: https://review.openstack.org/15713516:21
dims#link test tooling: https://review.openstack.org/15878716:21
dimsanyone have some cycles please review ^^^16:21
dimsany other requests from policy team?16:21
dhellmannalso this cross-project spec related to library stable branches: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155072/16:21
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harlowja_at_homethe whole concept of examples; would be a nice policy (like in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140318/ )16:22
harlowja_at_homei believe tooz, taskflow, debtcollector have nice examples and such16:22
dhellmannyeah, let's prioritize the ones we need to finish this release, though16:22
dhellmannI'm not sure we need a spec to say that we need documentation :-)16:22
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harlowja_at_homefair nuff ;)16:23
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dimsi want to highlight zigo's request from mailing list16:23
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dimsfor better library descriptions16:23
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dhellmanndims: ++16:23
bknudsonis it in the checklist?16:23
bknudsonfor releasing a library16:23
dims#link http://markmail.org/message/7ql2usgb7nyo2unb16:23
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dhellmannbknudson: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/CreatingANewLibrary#Provide_Basic_Documentation16:24
dimsbknudson: need to dig it up16:24
dhellmannwe should go back and audit our existing libraries, though, because I know we were more focused on code than docs this cycle16:24
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dimsdhellmann: yea, the audit spreadsheet16:24
dhellmanndims: ++16:25
dimsdhellmann: got a url to the old one?16:25
dhellmanndims: I'm sure I do, but I'm not finding it16:26
dims#link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MvXsg0XxPonJ8yAFSraIwHM940eAfoXhfBVRa6hN7MY/edit#gid=016:26
dimsthat one?16:26
dhellmannthat's it16:26
dimsok next one16:26
dims#topic Priority bug fixes for after freeze16:26
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dimsi have these from the wiki16:27
dims#link https://launchpad.net/oslo/+milestone/next-kilo16:27
dims#link DB handle stays open after fork: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/141701816:27
openstackLaunchpad bug 1417018 in oslo.db "Cinder encounters dbapi error: NoSuchColumnError: "Could not locate column in row for column '%(140070887032400 anon)s.volumes_id'"" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Mike Bayer (zzzeek)16:27
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zzzeekwho is handling what we will actualyl do with that one16:27
dimsanyone else have things we should review quickly after the freeze?16:27
dhellmannwe also have the oslo.messaging rabbit heartbeat thing that sileht is working on16:27
zzzeekb.c. it shouldnt even be assigned to me IMO16:27
dhellmannzzzeek: you can unassign yourself16:28
zzzeekdhellmann: Ok16:28
harlowja_at_homealso rabbit-mq @ ops meetup - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PHL-ops-rabbit-queue16:28
zzzeekdhellmann: basically I have all the info and proposed fixes up and ppl can decide to do waht they want :)16:28
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dimsdhellmann: +1 to oslo.messaging rabbit heartbeat - wish we had a functional test for it16:28
zzzeekor have we decided what we’re doing on that16:28
dhellmanndims: I have to leave now, but if we could get a list of these into an etherpad somewhere that would give us all a focus for reviews this week.16:28
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dimsdhellmann: ack will do16:29
dims#action dims to collect items to review after feature freeze16:29
dhellmannharlowja_at_home: did you run your changes to the service code against nova and some of the other projects?16:29
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dhellmannharlowja_at_home: it would be good to propose a patch to at least cinder to sync those changes in, mark it as Depends-On your incubator change, and then we can see what the gate does with it16:29
harlowja_at_homedhellmann,  guess i should do that16:29
dims#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146047/ heartbeat for rabbitmq16:30
dimsharlowja_at_home: thanks!16:30
harlowja_at_homenp16:30
dimsdhellmann: ttyl16:30
dhellmannsorry, time to for me to run, I'll be back later on this afternoon16:30
dims#topic open discussion16:30
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dimsfloor is open16:30
dimsis the DST time change ok with everyone?16:30
bknudsonsurvived it.16:31
dimsyay bknudson16:31
harlowja_at_homeworked out for me, lol16:31
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bknudsonkeystone unit tests started failing, though.16:31
harlowja_at_homepeople might be intersted in http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-March/006458.html16:31
harlowja_at_homesome useful stuff might come out of that...16:31
harlowja_at_home* Ops meetup *16:31
dimsharlowja_at_home: ah the ops summit16:31
bknudsonnext concern is leap second.16:32
harlowja_at_homeya16:32
harlowja_at_homeoh, leap second, lol16:32
dimsbknudson: when is it getting added?16:32
ihrachyshkaJune 31?16:33
ihrachyshkawell, there is no 31st, but... :)16:33
bknudsonhttp://www.livescience.com/49370-leap-second-added-2015.html16:33
ihrachyshkaor maybe it will, with a leap day16:33
bknudson"June 30 will be a second longer than any other day this year."16:33
dimshaha ihrachyshka16:33
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harlowja_at_homeso my general question, is what is the python community doing about this?16:34
bknudsonI'm going to take that second off on June 30.16:34
harlowja_at_homeinstead of re-writing all the date-time handling, wouldn't it be better to look at what everyone else is doing?16:34
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bknudsontell me when it's over.16:34
dimsi found this old etherpad which may get us some things to do (graceful config reload, graceful termination) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-ha-integration16:34
dimsbknudson: same strategy as y2k? :)16:35
harlowja_at_homehttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PHL-ops-burning-issues (also i guess)16:35
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dimsthanks harlowja_at_home16:35
bknudsonI'll come out of my bunker.16:35
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dimsbnemec: jd__: flaper87: anything from you all?16:36
harlowja_at_homealso related to the leap-second stuff is https://github.com/openstack/oslo.utils/commit/91dc7 (it'd be nice to think of who really needs absolute times and who doesn't)16:36
harlowja_at_homeand if people don't need it, start using that stop watch thing16:36
dimsharlowja_at_home: that made it to release today!16:36
harlowja_at_homewoot16:36
dimsy chuffed, pumped :)16:36
harlowja_at_home:)16:36
bknudsona tempest run where the clock is set to cover leap second would be interesting.16:37
dimsso if there is nothing else...16:37
harlowja_at_homemy guess is the people who need absolute times (that are affected by leap seconds) is less than those who care about the duration between 2 time points (and can use that stop watch thing)16:37
dimsharlowja_at_home: ack16:37
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dimsso...wrapping up16:38
dimsthanks everyone16:38
dims#endmeeting16:38
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reedhello17:00
mrmartino/17:00
reedanyone here for the community meeting?17:00
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reedmrmartin, would you mind chairing it?17:00
mrmartinyeap17:01
reedthanks17:01
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mrmartin#startmeeting community17:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar  9 17:01:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mrmartin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:01
reeddizquierdo, o/17:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:01
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mrmartin#topic actions from last meeting17:01
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reed#link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Community/MeetingAgenda17:01
dizquierdohey17:01
dizquierdodpose is also around17:02
reedwrite activity board migration spec17:02
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dposehi17:02
reed#info What's the status of  the activity board migration spec?17:02
reed#undo17:02
sarobhey there17:02
mrmartinhey Sean17:02
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dizquierdook, what we have right now is the following repository17:03
dizquierdohttps://github.com/MetricsGrimoire/puppet-metricsgrimoire17:03
reed#info the draft of the spec is on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/activity-infratization-spec17:03
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mrmartin#info puppet repository https://github.com/MetricsGrimoire/puppet-metricsgrimoire17:03
dizquierdobefore writting the step, we went for the architecture file as suggested by mrmartin17:03
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mrmartindizquierdo, are you working on the architecture diagram, right?17:04
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dizquierdo#info architecture definition at https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MetricsGrimoire/puppet-metricsgrimoire/master/architecture.rst17:04
dizquierdothat's right mrmartin, please have a look at https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MetricsGrimoire/puppet-metricsgrimoire/master/architecture.rst17:04
dizquierdoI tried to follow the example you provided to us based on askbot17:04
mrmartinok17:04
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dizquierdoand then we uploaded the first steps with Puppet and one of the tools mentioned in the architecture17:05
mrmartin#info architecture info: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MetricsGrimoire/puppet-metricsgrimoire/master/architecture.rst17:05
mrmartinreed to edit Meetings page and take #openstack-meeting-alt17:06
mrmartin    at 1700 UTC for #community meeting17:06
mrmartinit was also done.17:06
reedyep17:06
dizquierdohttps://github.com/MetricsGrimoire/puppet-metricsgrimoire/tree/master/CVSAnalY17:06
reedwhat are next steps then?17:06
mrmartinok, so we have a good progress with that17:06
dizquierdogood to know we're in the good path17:06
mrmartina question, can I get an ssh access to activity.o.o?17:06
mrmartinhelps for me to understand the pieces of actual deployment.17:07
dizquierdomrmartin, we're only publishing JSON, HTML, CSS and JS there17:07
dizquierdoso that's the really final step of the whole platform17:07
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mrmartinok, but where the metrics apps running?17:07
dizquierdoall of the retrieval process + analytics is in our internal servers17:07
mrmartinoh, ok right17:07
dizquierdowe simply rsync to activity.o.o17:08
fungioh, sorry, missed the meeting start time but here now17:08
mrmartinso the goal is to move those metrics and analytics apps related to openstack to a separate instance17:08
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mrmartinhi fungi17:08
dizquierdohi :)17:08
dizquierdothe final goal is that one17:08
dizquierdothe first step is to migrate the retrieval platform17:08
mrmartinfungi: we are talking about moving the metrics part of activity.o.o to infra17:08
fungithanks, just caught up on scrollback17:09
mrmartinbecuase it is actually lives in bitergia servers.17:09
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dizquierdoyep17:09
mrmartin#topic migrating activity.o.o metrics part to infra17:09
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mrmartin#info metrics apps are living at bitergia servers actually17:10
dizquierdoso, after moving this first step, I have some doubts mrmartin, I may try to condense some of them here and try to look for answers17:10
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mrmartinok, I'm listening17:10
dizquierdosome examples: what do we do if we need to update databases schemas?17:11
dizquierdohow should we proceed if we need to update tools versions?17:11
dizquierdoHow can we have an access to such databases? -> we query them later to retrieve the final JSON files17:11
dizquierdo(an option would be to dump them at some place)17:11
dizquierdowe need to run some of the tools in some order:17:12
dizquierdoFirst: all of the retrieval tools17:12
dizquierdoSecond: the unique identities heuristics script, that allows to merge identities across all of the data sources (git, mailing lists, storyboard, etc)17:12
dizquierdowe need to run the tools each 24 hours17:12
dizquierdoand at some point, we need to update affiliations information, so let's say that we need to access the database, update info and close the connection17:13
fungiso something like continuously deploying the tools, or at least updating them before each metric run?17:13
dizquierdo(this is going to be done through a tool in the near future, but this is stilli n progress)17:13
mrmartinfor the schema upgrades we are doing something similar with the groups portal, and using a green / blue deployment model with a slot0 / slot1 switched between each upgrades17:13
dizquierdoand that's all17:14
dizquierdoemm that's it fungi17:14
mrmartincurrently it is implemented on the same instance with some scripting magic17:14
reeddizquierdo, I think we should postopone the conversation until after you have produced a visualization of the whole machinery17:14
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dizquierdothey are quite stable in any case, I do not foresee more than 1 change per month? at most!17:14
fungiwe definitely have existing infra systems with tools continuously deployed to them from various git repositories (tracking a particular branch or whatever)17:14
reedthe grimoire toolset is fairly simple in the end but it's made of a lot of small pieces and it's hard to communicate17:15
dizquierdoI agree with you reed17:15
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fungigenerally they check for new git commits every ~15 minutes and update if found, which can trigger actions like rerunning installation scripts17:15
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dizquierdofungi, that sounds like more than useful for this case, so we have an answer for that question :)17:15
fungiso definitely doable if you need something like that17:16
dizquierdoreed, do you think I should keep working on the architecture side?17:16
reeddizquierdo, I think so, it's useful for you too IMHO to have one picture that shows how the whole grimoire set works17:16
reedin general, not just the implementation of openstack17:16
dizquierdook, then reed I should update this file https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MetricsGrimoire/puppet-metricsgrimoire/master/architecture.rst17:17
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mrmartindizquierdo: do you plan some packaging (pip, etc) for those apps?17:17
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dizquierdomrmartin, we typically install them from sources, but this is in our roadmap17:17
dizquierdothey are all setuptools based17:18
mrmartinyes, because using live git repos is the best way to broke production system.17:18
dizquierdoI know u_u17:18
reedfungi, cvsanaly is packaced in pip17:18
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dizquierdoreed,  that's maybe an old version and not maintained package :S17:19
mrmartinok, so I think we need to focus on finishing the spec in some form, and get a deployment guide17:19
dizquierdonot sure, I would need to double check that17:19
fungiin that case, we deal with that fine too (just make the puppet manifest specify pip as the package provider with a version of "latest")17:19
mrmartinso we can start to write the puppet scripts based on that17:19
fungioh, but yeah i'm assuming of course that it's being properly released to pypi ;)17:20
dizquierdo:)17:20
reedmrmartin, I agree on the priority: finish the spec first, get a clear idea of what needs to happen, maybe split it into different phases17:20
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dizquierdook, I can work then in the https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/activity-infratization-spec file17:20
dizquierdoand keep working on the architecture file17:20
reedcool17:20
mrmartinfungi: for continous deployment, don't we like to use a PaaS solution?17:21
dizquierdojust as a brief introduction, the first step is the one that we wrote in the architecture.rst file17:21
reed#action dizquierdo and dpose to keep working on the https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/activity-infratization-spec file and the architecture diagram17:21
mrmartinwe could use it for other projects too, and can separate the different versions better17:21
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reedmrmartin, we can chat about that some other time :)17:22
reedanything else on this topic?17:22
dizquierdook, so two clear tasks from our side :)17:22
mrmartinthe problem here, that it is not enough to deploy a newer pip, some db schema change / or triggering other task is required17:22
dizquierdomrmartin, not sure if you want us to keep adding some other puppet recipes to the repository17:22
mrmartinok, so I suggest to close this, and we can join in with puppet scripting17:22
dizquierdothis may help you, just in case17:22
mrmartinI'll review that.17:23
reednext topic?17:23
dizquierdook mrmartin17:23
mrmartinit could be easier to check what we have with an ssh access, but I understand that it is deployed to your internal servers.17:23
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dizquierdo#action dpose and dizquierdo to keep working on the puppet recipes at https://github.com/MetricsGrimoire/puppet-metricsgrimoire17:23
dizquierdomrmartin, let me discuss that internally17:23
dizquierdoI think it's hard ;)17:24
dizquierdobut well17:24
reedmrmartin, I don't udnerstand why you need ssh access to run a sql script17:24
mrmartinI don't need that to run an sql script, it could be helpful to overview the metrics components.17:24
fungimrmartin: no idea how you're defining a paas-based continuous deployment vs something else17:25
dizquierdomrmartin, I'm considering the option of having a virtual machine around, that you can have access17:25
dizquierdoso you (or others) can have a look at it17:25
mrmartinfungi: exactly the same model as we are using to deploy into a slot0 / slot1 directory, but deploy into separate instances.17:26
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dizquierdoindeed, mrmartin I think we have a vagrant machine that you can download and play with that to check how that works17:26
mrmartinthe puppet recipes are not so nice due this slot change.17:26
mrmartindizquierdo: awesome, this is perfect17:26
dizquierdook, that sounds like an option17:26
dizquierdolet me check17:26
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reedlet's leave these details to the spec17:27
dizquierdo#action dizquierdo will check the vagrant machine to have a look at the internal machinery of grimoire toolset17:27
reedand I think you guys have enough work for a week already :)17:27
fungimrmartin: ahh, no idea if that's preferred or not honestly. we have a lot of different deployment models we've been supporting so far17:27
dizquierdo:)17:27
reedmrmartin, shall we switch to next topic?17:28
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mrmartinyes if we have17:28
reedthe agenda has: Update about Askbot migration to infra (mrmartin)17:29
mrmartinoh right17:29
reed#topic Update about Askbot migration to infra (mrmartin)17:29
reedyou need to do it17:29
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mrmartinok, I need to talk Jeblair, he promised an approval on the askbot patch.17:30
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mrmartinfungi: are you back from holiday?17:30
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mrmartincould you help us to launch this askbot instance?17:30
fungimrmartin: yep, just catching up now17:30
mrmartinit could be great to move forward with this during that week, because on next week I'll be on travel.17:30
reedhow about adding an action item to the infra agenda meeting tomorrow?17:31
mrmartinreed: it is there17:31
mrmartinas a priority project17:31
fungimrmartin: yeah, i just need to look back over https://review.openstack.org/140043 and see if there's anything else missing besides what needs to be added to hiera17:31
mrmartinfungi: I've added some items to the storyboard of askbot.17:31
mrmartinso we can track the progress there17:32
mrmartinhttps://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200015817:32
mrmartinfungi: and the db migration description available here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160693/17:33
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mrmartin#info db migration spec extension: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160693/17:34
mrmartin#info askbot migration storyboard tasks: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200015817:34
mrmartinanything else on askbot?17:34
reed#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/16069317:34
reed#link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200015817:34
reedso the action item is to nudge Infra?17:34
mrmartinpolitely17:35
fungimrmartin: reed: consider me nudged17:35
fungii'll try to work it in this afternoon17:35
reedfungi, I was about to ask if this was enough :)17:35
mrmartinthanks17:35
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reedthanks17:35
reedso #action check back with fungi in a couple of days?17:35
mrmartin#topic Catchup on Groups portal work items17:36
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reed#action check back with fungi in a couple of days17:36
reed#action reed to check back with fungi in a couple of days17:36
reedalright, groups portal items17:36
mrmartinok, groups portal, 'cause we'll run out of time17:36
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mrmartinok, I did a correction of the group membership data17:36
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reedmrmartin, we can keep it short because I have the Ops summit to attend to17:37
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mrmartinwe had some problem with Israel, meetup.com reported a wrong number17:37
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reedI just wanted to bring to your attention  https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200019317:37
mrmartinI wrote an email to Nati to provide me the valid numbers17:37
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mrmartinyes, I found some small issues with event import17:37
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reedthe start and end date seem to go into the html17:38
reedwhich could be fine17:38
mrmartinfor example, if the event don't have an assigned venue, it is defaults to US, which is a bit confusing17:38
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mrmartinand I suggest to disable of the notifications coming from meetup.com imported events17:39
reedso I have asked tipit to import the events from groups into openstack.org/community/events17:39
reedand they noticed that there are no xml nodes for start/end date17:39
mrmartinbecause I got a double notification, one from meetup.com and one from groups.portal17:39
mrmartinreed, ok I'll check that, it is a Commons thing17:39
reedlater they noticed that the html has start-date and end-date17:40
mrmartinneed to investigate that17:40
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reedplease have a look at the data in that xml and let me know if I should tell tipit to use the html in there17:40
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mrmartinif the html have the data, I can put it somehow into the xml17:40
reedor if it's better/easier/cleaner to modify groups17:40
reedmrmartin, whatever is cleaner, I wouldn't want to spend too much time on this task17:41
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mrmartin#action add start-date end-date to event xml, so tipit can consume it17:41
reedI think that if the html is clean and consistent then we can keep the groups side as it is17:41
reed#link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200019317:41
mrmartinI think it is easier to parse the xml17:41
mrmartinok, I'm doing a report about the group completeness status17:43
mrmartinso we can see where we have a missing organizer registration, meetup.com link, etc.17:43
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mrmartinnot a big thing, but helps us to clean up the data sources17:43
reedok17:43
mrmartinand we have a new group request for Argentina17:43
reedlet's move this to the list17:43
reedI have to go now17:43
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mrmartinok17:44
mrmartinany other questions?17:44
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reedno17:44
mrmartinthanks to everyone17:44
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mrmartin#endmeeting17:45
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dizquierdothanks for your time!17:45
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hogepodgeI'm at the operators summit. Interop is being talked about right now.18:10
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elmikoi think the barb meeting is in an hour, because of DST19:07
hogepodgecatherineD holiday for sslypushenko_ and vlad19:07
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hogepodgeelmiko: yes, dst threw a bit of a wrench in19:07
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hogepodgesemi-annual do-se-do19:08
elmikoyea19:08
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catherineDhogepodge: so I guess we skip it?   do we meet tomorrow as Sergey suggested?19:09
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hogepodgecatherineD: Seems like we could do an ad-hoc meeting. It's going to be really hard for me tomorrow, though. I have the staff meeting, the meetup, and a session I'm leading.19:10
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hogepodgecatherineD: there's an active discussion in openstack-qa about the neutron multi-tenant bug that's been killing us.19:10
catherineDLet's do a ad-hoc meeting tthen ..19:11
cleeo/19:11
cleewhat's up, guys19:11
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catherineDclee: we are kind of mess-up because of the time change ...19:12
hogepodgeclee between daylight savings and holiday in Ukraine the meeting is kind of weird19:12
hogepodgecatherineD: andreaf was saying that we need to write a function for tempest that returns a default network id19:12
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hogepodgecatherineD: It should depend on the auth provider (either tempest.conf or the new yaml files in progress), as well as the network provider (neutron or nova-net)19:13
catherineDhogepodge: I have following that thread ...19:13
hogepodgecatherineD: then tests that need networks should use that function to correctly spawn machines19:13
hogepodgecatherineD: ok, just wanted to fill you in just in case you missed it. :-D19:13
catherineDso can discuss the multi-network topic over in refstack19:13
hogepodgecatherineD: ok19:14
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catherineDdo we want to stay here for our converstion  for logging ....19:14
catherineDmaybe topic for next week's IRC meeting?19:14
catherineDwe have quite a number of topic to discuss19:15
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catherineDLet me start the meeting OK?19:15
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hogepodgeyeah19:17
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catherineD#startmeeting refstack19:18
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar  9 19:18:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:18
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'refstack'19:18
catherineDroll call19:18
catherineDo/19:18
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pvaneckprobably shouldve started it earlier19:19
catherineD#topic Holiday in Ukraine today19:20
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catherineDSergey and Vlad won't be able to join19:21
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catherineDjust want to log the agenda for next week here19:22
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catherineD#topic next week meeting agenda19:22
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catherineD1) uuid issue and refstrack test results json schema19:23
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catherineD2) Review Feb 18 f2f action items.  Please see update in the action item section in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack_f2f_feb_2015.19:24
catherineD3) Decision on the date for the March f2f meeting19:25
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catherineD#endmeeting19:27
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redrobot#startmeeting barbican20:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar  9 20:01:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:01
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redrobot#topic Roll Call20:01
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redrobotnot many barbicaneers here20:03
hockeynutquality, not quantity?20:03
redrobotI guess Daylight Savings Time messed up the meeting time for us20:03
elmiko;)20:03
SheenaG1hockeynut: damn straight20:03
redrobothehe20:03
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redrobotas usual the agenda can be found here:20:03
redrobot#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican20:03
redrobot#topic Review Action Items20:04
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redrobot#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-03-02-20.01.html20:04
redrobotarunkant hi!  can you give an update on whether you think per-secret-policy can be completed by Kilo-320:04
redrobotsince kilo-3 release is next week, we would ideally want the code to be up for review before the end of the week.20:05
iguethso/20:05
chellygelo/20:05
arunkantredrobot: I have implemented functionality and in process of adding tests for new functionality. Review is available at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161620/20:05
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aleeo/20:05
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redrobotarunkant awesome... I'll keep an eye on that review.  If it looks like it might slip past Kilo-3 I might bump it to Liberty.20:06
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redrobotwoodster is out on vacation this week, so i'll bump his action item to next week20:06
arunkantredrobot, I will have basic test added by tomorrow..so it can be reviewed from tomorrow evening20:06
redrobot#action woodster_ to reach out to Jarret about compliance concerns if we switch to hard deletes20:07
aleearunkant, this is for per-secret?20:07
tkelseyo/ sorry im late20:07
arunkantalee, yes20:07
redrobotand the last action item from last week was for me20:07
aleeexcellent20:07
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redrobotand I was waiting to get some code landed into Castellan before adding it to global-req.  I think we may need a PyPI release before that too.  So I'll have to sync up with rellerreller to see what the progress is on that20:08
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rellerrellero/ I'm here20:08
rellerrellerJust got here a minute ago20:09
redrobotoh hi rellerreller !20:09
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rellerrellerYou're looking for progress on Castellan?20:09
redrobotrellerreller yeah, I was trying to herd some cats to get some of those outstanding CRs landed20:09
redrobotrellerreller I want to make a PyPI release so that we can add Castellan to global-req20:10
rellerrellerThere is only one left that I see.20:10
rellerrellerIt was the one with "Fix Oslo Deprecation Warnings"20:10
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rellerrellerI don't really know much about what this patch does, so I would need help on that one.20:11
redrobotrellerreller is there anything else outstanding that you think would prevent us from doing a 0.0.1 release?20:11
rellerrellerI will double check with the team, but I can't think of anything at the moment.20:11
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redrobotrellerreller looks like it's just updating oslo incubator... I can ping rm_work about rebasing20:11
rellerrellerredrobot sounds good20:11
redrobot#action redrobot and rellerreller to coordinate an initial release of Castellan so it can be added to global-requirements.20:12
rellerrellerredrobot what is oslo incubator?20:12
redrobotrellerreller oslo "managed copy paste"...  it's where code lives before it gets released into a proper library.  Looks like the outstanding CR is trying to update some of the "managed copied code"20:12
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redrobotok, that's it for action items from last week20:13
redrobot#topic Kilo-320:13
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rellerrellerOK, that sounds good. I'll have to read more about that.20:13
redrobot#link https://launchpad.net/barbican/+milestone/kilo-320:14
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redrobotKilo-3 release is just around the corner20:14
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redrobotSo it would be good to get all the outstanding Blueprint code up for review this week.20:14
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redrobotif there's stuff that won't make it, it would be better to punt it to L sooner rather than later.20:15
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redrobotarunkant do you know if tsv has made progress in the quota blueprint?20:15
arunkantredrobot, last I heard he is working on adding tests20:16
redrobotarunkant awesome.  hopefully he can get a CR up this week.20:16
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redrobotalee any updates on Common Cert API?20:17
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aleeredrobot, none so far.  I'll been pulled off doing pointer arithmetic for awhile.  I should be back on barbican work as of tomorrow though20:17
aleeredrobot, so I'll be able to make more progress20:18
redrobotalee ok, awesome.  I'd really like to get that BP finished before Kilo-320:18
aleeme too20:18
redrobotrellerreller any updates on the content-types BP?20:18
rellerrellerYes, the CR is up and ready for review20:18
rellerrellerhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/160444/20:19
rellerrellerI noticed a few things while writing the CR.20:19
redrobotrellerreller awesome!20:19
rellerreller1. All secrets should be returned in binary format. This is specified on the API page.20:19
redrobotrellerreller good thins?20:19
* redrobot crosses fingers20:19
rellerreller2. The Accept-Encoding header is not being used. I think this would be good to support in the future.20:20
rellerrellerThat way you can have base64 or raw binary20:20
rellerreller3. Public and private keys were being generated in PEM format in simple crypto and being returned in that format for testing. kfarr and I fixed that and added a test to make sure that Barbican Core returns in binary format.20:20
rellerrellerThere are a lot more tests now. I think this will help with standardizing the format and encodings.20:20
aleerellerreller, how does that affect passphrase encoded private keys?20:21
rellerrellerIt should not affect them.20:21
redrobotI'm sure the client will need a lot of work though20:22
redrobotrellerreller I went down the rabbit hole of trying to use the Accept-Encoding header for base64 before20:22
rellerrellerEssentially in simple crypto it generates the keys. If they are encrypted or not still a PKCS8 structure.20:22
aleerellerreller, ok20:22
redrobotrellerreller decided it would be better to do without it.  Ran into problems that I can't quite remember now.20:23
rellerrellerredrobot I think now that formats and encodings are standarized the accept encoding may not be too bad. I would like to put a CR up for that in the future. I'm curious what lessons learned you have.20:23
redrobotrellerreller I'll have to think about it...  I recall having problems with postman, and also with the HTTP Server in front of Barbican wanting to own the Accept-Encoding header...20:24
rellerrellerredrobot Oh my goodness!20:25
redrobotalee I'm assuming the Identify CA blueprint will be lower priority than the Common Cert one?20:25
bknudsonI don't think accept-encoding is meant to be used for binary vs base64 ... http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2616#section-14.320:25
rellerrellerI had so much trouble with the Accept header. The Gerrit gate kept failing. It does not accept application/pkcs8 or application/pkix-cert as Accept type.20:25
aleeredrobot, yeah -20:26
bknudsonthere are several accept-encodings defined.20:26
bknudsontranfer using base64 or binary would be content-type.20:26
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bknudsonor accept coming from the client.20:26
redrobotbase64 is not a content-type20:27
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redrobotand RFC 2616 is obsolete now :)20:27
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redrobotbase64 is defined for Content-Transfer-Encoding or something like that... it's definitely worth investigating20:28
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redrobotrellerreller I saw you added asymmetric key support to K-320:29
redrobotrellerreller do you think you can have a CR ready for review this week?20:29
rellerrellerredrobot That is our goal20:29
redrobotrellerreller awesome!20:29
rellerrellerredrobot It should not be much code, but we need to test PyKMIP with hardware to verify this works.20:30
redrobotok, that's all I have for Kilo-320:30
redrobotany questions/comments about Kilo-3?20:30
redrobotok, that's all I have on the agenda for today20:32
redrobot#topic Open Discussion20:32
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redrobotAny questions/comments/topics not on the agenda?20:32
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redrobotBueller?20:33
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reaperhulkWe all left already20:33
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redrobothaha, ok then, I guess we can call it an early meeting20:34
redrobotthanks everyone for coming!20:34
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