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| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 11 14:01:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 14:01 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
| mkoderer | hi | 14:01 |
| sgordon | #topic roll call | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:01 | |
| vks | hi | 14:01 |
| gongysh | hi | 14:01 |
| cloudon | hi | 14:01 |
| * beagles waves, panting from running from other room | 14:01 | |
| sgordon | #topic action items from last week | 14:02 |
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| sgordon | #info aveiga's basic use case template was merged | 14:02 |
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| sgordon | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/telcowg-usecases/tree/template.rst | 14:02 |
| sgordon | #info sgordon submitted cloudon's vIMS use case for review - needs some further updates to meet template | 14:03 |
| mkoderer | sgordon: the basic template seems not to work for the doc build :( | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/158997 | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #info daschab submitted security segregation use case for review | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/163399 | 14:03 |
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| sgordon | #info mkoderer notes that the basic template seems not to work for the doc build | 14:04 |
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| sgordon | mkoderer, do you have a link to the fail | 14:04 |
| mkoderer | sgordon: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163399/ | 14:04 |
| sgordon | well that is a friendly error isnt it | 14:04 |
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| mkoderer | sphinx is failing with "WARNING: Literal block expected; none found" | 14:04 |
| mkoderer | sgordon: I need to check what goes wrong there | 14:05 |
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| sgordon | so in the original review where we merged the template it did build: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158028/ | 14:05 |
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| sgordon | so it must be something specific to the changes in that submission - i guess? | 14:05 |
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| mkoderer | sgordon: I guess the template won't be used for the spinx build | 14:06 |
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| mkoderer | sgordon: and the IMS one run through because you used the wrong directory ;) | 14:06 |
| sgordon | mkoderer, let's try work on that after the meeting | 14:06 |
| mkoderer | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158997/ | 14:06 |
| sgordon | hahaha | 14:06 |
| rprakash | #help to corelate mNO/MVNO use case with IPv6 OPNFV when time permits - Thanks | 14:06 |
| mkoderer | sgordon: ok | 14:06 |
| sgordon | yeah i havent rebased it yet | 14:06 |
| sgordon | sooo | 14:07 |
| sgordon | #topic operators mid-cycle | 14:07 |
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| sgordon | we had a telco working session at the operators mid-cycle yesterday | 14:07 |
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| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PHL-ops-telco | 14:07 |
| sgordon | minutes are recorded in the above etherpad | 14:08 |
| sgordon | we had a mix of people who have been in these meetings and some who were coming at it for the first time | 14:08 |
| sgordon | and i think it's fair to say that the main topic of conversation was interaction with OPNFV and how the two groups fit together | 14:08 |
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| sgordon | there was also an OPNFV call on the topic of working with openstack earlier in the day | 14:09 |
| gongysh | what are 'the two groups'? | 14:09 |
| sgordon | gongysh, OPNFV and OpenStack Telco Working group | 14:09 |
| gongysh | thanks | 14:09 |
| sgordon | we are in a bit of an odd place because we created the latter as a place to collaborate on NFV and telco use cases and their openstack requirements before OPNFV existed | 14:10 |
| rprakash | #info I am working in OPNFV and as well in teclowg since last year but missed lot here | 14:10 |
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| sgordon | the main action item that came out of that was for me to re-connect with chris price on the OPNFV side and start some more cross-threads to discuss further | 14:11 |
| sgordon | we did also walk through the way we are handling use case submission and review at the moment | 14:11 |
| adrian-hoban | Lots of OpenStack requirements going to be developed in both OPNFV and ETSI-NFV phase 2 | 14:11 |
| rprakash | #info The Community page ion OPNFV has Openstack listed and is working and we can co-ordiate with it | 14:12 |
| sgordon | well this is really the issue | 14:12 |
| vks | how? | 14:12 |
| sgordon | - ETSI, OPNFV, and this group, all currently define/update use cases | 14:12 |
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| sgordon | - some are members of one but not the others | 14:12 |
| sgordon | - how to avoid duplication | 14:13 |
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| rprakash | #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/community/openstack | 14:13 |
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| vks | if we share common discussion | 14:13 |
| vks | at least for defining use cases | 14:13 |
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| adrian-hoban | Re ETSI-NFV Phase 2, I suspect most of the OpenStack related item will come out of the IFA stream. | 14:14 |
| sgordon | #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/community/openstack | 14:14 |
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| vks | adrian-hoban, IFA? | 14:14 |
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| mkoderer | We need to define the scope for all these groups... | 14:15 |
| sgordon | if i am being brutally honest i am more concerned about the OPNFV interaction versus ETSI, unless we are expecting significantly more timely publication of the next round of ETSI outputs | 14:15 |
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| sgordon | OPNFV are defining and pushing out use cases, gaps, requirements for us to interact with now | 14:15 |
| vks | sgordon, do u mean to collabrate with any one? | 14:15 |
| adrian-hoban_ | vks: IFA = Interfaces and Architecture Working Group | 14:16 |
| rprakash | #info Sean Rob from EMC/Vmware and visited OPNFV and had indicated the use case can be co-ordinaged by product team too | 14:16 |
| sgordon | vks, the ETSI-NFV collaboration with this group thus far has been "here is a PDF of things and you already did half of them because we took so long" | 14:16 |
| sgordon | ;) | 14:16 |
| adrian-hoban_ | :-) | 14:16 |
| dneary | Can I #link? | 14:16 |
| vks | ;) | 14:16 |
| rprakash | #info we can do agap analysis between projects listed in link I showed earlier (requirement) projects with openstack modules | 14:17 |
| dneary | #link https://wiki.opnfv.org/community/openstack | 14:17 |
| sgordon | dneary, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/048021.html | 14:17 |
| sgordon | dneary, we already linked that page | 14:17 |
| dneary | sgordon, Great, thanks | 14:18 |
| sgordon | so what i am getting at is i see more immediate overlap with OPNFV activities than ETSI-NFV ones | 14:18 |
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| dneary | Yes. Although the ETSI NFV Open Source WI is also focussing on OpenStack interactions | 14:19 |
| rprakash | #info But this is as of October 2014 , is it current? | 14:19 |
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| vks | sgordon, i think we are in better position now | 14:19 |
| vks | we have few use cases with us | 14:19 |
| dneary | I don't know if there is a specific mailing list, or SPOC, for that work item though | 14:19 |
| sgordon | rprakash, this is the thing | 14:19 |
| rprakash | #info I though we are talking of gap between OPNFV requirments project and Openstack Modules | 14:19 |
| sgordon | as far as i know no newer version has been published | 14:19 |
| sgordon | rprakash, can you stop trying to info things that are just your commentary? | 14:20 |
| sgordon | thanks | 14:20 |
| adrian-hoban_ | sgordon: I think that's a fair assessment. There's a but... If we collectively don't influence the ETSI-NFV specs, there are requirements coming down the pipe that will be difficult to implement... | 14:20 |
| sgordon | sure, but how much of that influence is co-ordinated via this effort today? | 14:20 |
| sgordon | i think a lot of participants dont have the visibility | 14:21 |
| mkoderer | IMHO we are currently only keeping our self busy :) | 14:21 |
| rprakash | #info I will try get that for IFA 005-006 for NB Interfaces and that may be say next week | 14:22 |
| rprakash | #info VIM NB Interfaces | 14:22 |
| rprakash | OK I need some help in irc practices will do | 14:22 |
| dneary | rprakash, Even in OPNFV the discussion has moved past that, I think - we're breaking down requirements projects into individual feature requests - and in the future that will be Gerrit patch submissions and bug reports | 14:22 |
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| mkoderer | at the end nobody will get the needed changes implemented | 14:22 |
| sgordon | mkoderer, indeed and that is really the key | 14:22 |
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| sgordon | identifying where the body of the participants actually willing to do the work are connected to each other | 14:23 |
| adrian-hoban_ | sgordon: Working with the OPNFV community makes sense and will have more developer representation | 14:23 |
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| vks | adrian-hoban_, +1 | 14:24 |
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| mkoderer | adrian-hoban_: but how... | 14:24 |
| sgordon | that is my suspicion, also it looks like dneary fearlessly volunteered to maintain a wiki of the changes they are submitting | 14:24 |
| sgordon | HOWEVER | 14:24 |
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| dneary | sgordon, Yes, I am that sucker | 14:25 |
| sgordon | the concern raised with this was it excludes NFV and telco users, including some who are members of this group, that are not members of OPNFV | 14:25 |
| sgordon | ...concern raised at the mid-cycle session yesterday that is | 14:25 |
| dneary | sgordon, I hope that the only metadata we'll have there which won't be upstream is the OPNFV project name it came from | 14:25 |
| sgordon | this comes back to how we create some loose framework for collaboration here | 14:25 |
| sgordon | versus the current situation where OPNFV members submit their use cases to both groups, for example | 14:26 |
| dneary | sgordon, rprakash was asking me what belongs in OPNFV and what belongs in OpenStack - would it be useful to clarify that (from the OPNFV point of view)? | 14:26 |
| sgordon | this is not a problem i expect to solve today but what i took the AI to try and get at | 14:26 |
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| sgordon | dneary, sure - but is there a common OPNFV POV on this? | 14:27 |
| dneary | sgordon, Getting towards it... | 14:27 |
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| dneary | OPNFV - take telco use-cases defined in telco language, and convert them into requirements expressed in non-telco-readable language; from that break high level requirements into actionable feature requests for upstream projects (including OpenStack) | 14:28 |
| sgordon | #info Clarification needed to establish interaction/overlap of ETSI-NFV, OPNFV, and OpenStack Telco Working group | 14:28 |
| rprakash | Is it recommended to use new template listed to be used for use cases rather than one we used earlier as nfv group?4 | 14:28 |
| dneary | OpenStack: OPNFV members submit blueprints, and track those blueprints through review, code creation, code review and merge | 14:28 |
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| dneary | For the moment, OPNFV is essentially taking the product of ETSI NFV ISG as the higher level telco use-case inputs | 14:29 |
| mkoderer | dneary: seems like an overlap to this group | 14:29 |
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| sgordon | dneary, really this asks more questions than it answers | 14:29 |
| sgordon | mkoderer, +1 | 14:29 |
| dneary | So, for ETSI members, there are 2 opportunities to collaborate: | 14:29 |
| sgordon | "The working group aims to define the use cases and identify and prioritise the requirements which are needed to deploy, manage, and run telecommunication services on top of OpenStack. This work includes identifying functional gaps, creating blueprints, submitting and reviewing patches to the relevant OpenStack projects and tracking their completion in support of telecommunication services." | 14:30 |
| dneary | 1. Breaking down the high level requests inside OPNFV (you don't need to be a member to participate in a specific project) | 14:30 |
| rprakash | #ilink http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/telcowg-usecases/tree/template.rst | 14:30 |
| dneary | 2. Participating in the review & refinement of blueprints | 14:30 |
| rprakash | I mean this template | 14:30 |
| sgordon | rprakash, im not really clear on the question - at this time if you were to submit to our repo we would expect you to use our template, otherwise we wouldnt merge it | 14:31 |
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| sgordon | what we're talking about though is whether we're just spinning our wheels here and that use case definition belongs in opnfv | 14:31 |
| dneary | sgordon, Yes, IMHO, there is overlap with this group. Ensuring that people in this group are ensuring that OPNFV's product is useful to OpenStack, and ensuring that OPNFV people are participating here, is a key goal. | 14:31 |
| rprakash | OK thta was my question , is this new template and are we doing away with old one in telcowg | 14:31 |
| sgordon | what we need to see though is that the use case definitions are in fact in non-telco speak | 14:31 |
| dneary | The delta is where OPNFV includes in scope projects other than OpenStack | 14:32 |
| sgordon | and are coming through with the blueprints and specs | 14:32 |
| sgordon | which at the moment based on the proposals i am seeing in the opnfv list is not necessarily the case | 14:32 |
| dneary | sgordon, Agreed | 14:32 |
| dneary | sgordon, That's been a challenge up to this point | 14:32 |
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| fzdarsky | sgordon, maybe adding that ETSI NFV has activity to support with creating use cases in non-telco language along the lines of their requirements | 14:32 |
| dneary | Project reviews and blueprints have not been getting enough eyeballs. We're making progress in some cases, but there are a lot of OPNFV projects now | 14:33 |
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| adrian-hoban_ | fzdarsky: I don't think you'll get that from ETSI-NFV in a form that will be usable here. | 14:34 |
| sgordon | fzdarsky, honestly i would again prefer to focus on OPNFV | 14:34 |
| sgordon | if something comes out of ETSI-NFV that is directly understandable by someone coming at it from a non-telco case then i will be the first to take notice | 14:34 |
| rprakash | let me ask you I have specific MNO-MVNO use case in telco-wg under prep work how do I deal this wrt telcowg and opnfv, help me build this | 14:34 |
| sgordon | but need to see evidence of that actually happening before i will believe it | 14:35 |
| fzdarsky | adrian-hoban_, I think doing that in ETSI NFV is the only way to ensure full coverage | 14:35 |
| dneary | rprakash, What is MNO-MVNO? | 14:35 |
| dneary | (actually, that's kind of the point) | 14:35 |
| adrian-hoban_ | The ETSI-NFV normative work has to stay technology neutron, so there is a level of abstraction between what is developed there, and what shows up here in blueprints | 14:35 |
| sgordon | dneary, yes we covered this in a previous meeting also | 14:35 |
| rprakash | Mobile Network Operator & Mobile Virtual Network Operator | 14:35 |
| sgordon | the use case proposal was very acronym heavy without necessarily explaining itself | 14:36 |
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| fzdarsky | adrian-hoban_, that is exactly why ETSI NFV created the work item for interfacing with open-source | 14:36 |
| fzdarsky | adrian-hoban_, so that IFA WG et al can stay technology neutral | 14:36 |
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| rprakash | #info ETSI NIFV IFA and other groups publish and only published reports we can use | 14:36 |
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| sgordon | #info OPNFV aims overlap significantly with telco working group aims | 14:37 |
| adrian-hoban_ | fzdarsky: I suspect that for this context, it will end up being a close collaboration with OPNFV, which brings us back to sgordon's initial point | 14:37 |
| sgordon | #info ETSI-NFV Open Source work item may overlap but not as clear at this point | 14:37 |
| rprakash | I thought that helps co-ordiate activities as we can use synergy in both forums | 14:37 |
| vks | in my opinion working close with OPNFV now will be gud for now | 14:38 |
| sgordon | #info sgordon and dneary agree OPNFV project reviews and blueprints need more eyeballs - aim being combination of both understandable/clear use case and implementation proposal make it through to OpenStack specification | 14:38 |
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| sgordon | vks, +1 | 14:38 |
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| sgordon | i think this is where there is the most obvious overlap *today* | 14:39 |
| dneary | So - how can I help enable that work together? | 14:39 |
| rprakash | can we then agree that let requirements come form OPNFV but use case be built here in telcowg? | 14:39 |
| sgordon | dneary, so what is the process in opnfv land for submitting/reviewing a use case | 14:39 |
| dneary | I can identify the 3-4 most important meetings for OpenStack people to be present? | 14:39 |
| mkoderer | rprakash: I don't agree | 14:39 |
| sgordon | rprakash, i dont think we can | 14:39 |
| vks | sgordon, first by segregating use cases at single repo | 14:39 |
| sgordon | for starters opnfv would have to agree | 14:39 |
| sgordon | since that appears to be part of their mandate too | 14:40 |
| sgordon | (use cases) | 14:40 |
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| sgordon | and as dneary said they are tracking at a slightly broader level | 14:40 |
| mkoderer | don't forget that there are policical things ongonig :) | 14:40 |
| sgordon | in that the use case may cover multiple projects that include openstack | 14:40 |
| mkoderer | We won't join OPNFV in it's current state... | 14:40 |
| sgordon | mkoderer, lol - oh yes | 14:40 |
| dneary | sgordon, OPNFV has requirements projects, the idea is to express the high level requirements that a use-case places on the platform (some examples: multi-site, IPv6, fault management, resource reservation) | 14:40 |
| vks | sgordon, i meant to say blueprints whatever we have now | 14:40 |
| sgordon | mkoderer, right and this comes back to my biggest concern | 14:40 |
| sgordon | what is the process for people who arent OPNFV members and dont want to be | 14:41 |
| sgordon | because aveiga and amitry are also not currently | 14:41 |
| dneary | Each requirements project comes up with a project definition that should say what the work result of the project will be, the upstream projects affected, and the people committed to working on the project | 14:41 |
| sgordon | so that's basically 4-5 of our regular contributors who arent in OPNFV at all | 14:41 |
| mkoderer | Being a OpenStack foundation memeber should be sufficent to file use cases :) | 14:41 |
| sgordon | vks, ack | 14:42 |
| dneary | Once the project is approved by the OPNFV TSC (approval process mostly rotates around clarifying project definition and deliverables, no attention is given to implementation details in my experience) | 14:42 |
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| sgordon | #info mkoderer notes not everyone is an OPNFV member, not necessarily open to becoming one at this time | 14:42 |
| sgordon | #undo | 14:42 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x97b9690> | 14:42 |
| dneary | once approved, project participants break the higher use case into blueprints, feature requests, project proposals in upstream projects | 14:42 |
| sgordon | #info mkoderer notes not everyone is an OPNFV member, nor necessarily open to becoming one at this time | 14:42 |
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| dneary | And those should go through internal review in the project, plus submission as WIP in specs repos upstream for upstream revision & review | 14:43 |
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| vks | sgordon, ? | 14:43 |
| matrohon | mkoderer : Openstack may fail at that because Telco use cases don't get enough attention in core projects | 14:43 |
| dneary | That's the ideal | 14:43 |
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| cloudon | dneary: agree - in OPNFV you simply propose a project, and if you fill in the forms right and convince the technical steering committee it's in scope and not conflicting with other OPNFV projects then you are a go | 14:43 |
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| rprakash | #info any linux foundation account holder can participate in OPNFV as volunteer | 14:44 |
| adrian-hoban_ | dneary: I think we need any requirements coming from OPNFV to pass through this WG first. If we don't get this in place we will end up in the same place we were in a year ago | 14:44 |
| mkoderer | matrohon: that's correct.. but OPNFV will fail too if they don't listen to their customers :) | 14:44 |
| fzdarsky | mkoderer, sgordon , the only place where all stakeholders are represented and where normative req's are created is in ETSI. Therefore, we need a process to ensure OPNFV can take the ETSI req's and use cases and map them to upstream req's and blueprints | 14:44 |
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| cloudon | don't see anything in OPNFV processes yet which sets out how to interact with OpenStack community | 14:45 |
| matrohon | adrian-hoban : +1 | 14:45 |
| dneary | adrian-hoban_, In terms of project requirements, or blueprints? | 14:45 |
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| rprakash | #info ETSI use cses were for ETSI PoC and now for nfv pase 2 and not for OPNFV or Openstack | 14:45 |
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| dneary | adrian-hoban_, To date, no requirements project has "completed" - that is, tested code, merged upstream | 14:46 |
| sgordon | dneary, yeah but blueprints have been submitted | 14:46 |
| sgordon | in a similar state to those we were getting 1+ years ago | 14:46 |
| vks | :) | 14:46 |
| sgordon | so i can see where adrian-hoban_ is going with that line of thought | 14:46 |
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| sgordon | now sure "we can fix that" but it would have been better to do it before submission | 14:46 |
| dneary | sgordon, What happened (as you know) is that the OPNFV project got busy when under the impression that Nova blueprints needed to be submitted in early March, after the Liberty branch was opened | 14:47 |
| adrian-hoban | fzdarsky: I think the flow is IFA --> TST --> OPNFV --> Telco WG --> OpenStack Projects | 14:47 |
| fzdarsky | adrian-hoban, +1 | 14:47 |
| mkoderer | adrian-hoban: that's a monster | 14:47 |
| adrian-hoban | dneary: I got disconnected and missed your question | 14:47 |
| rprakash | OK lets agree that Blue Prints coming from OPNFV requiremnts be whetted by teclowg | 14:47 |
| fzdarsky | mkoderer, but that is probably necessary, if you want full representation | 14:47 |
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| mkoderer | adrian-hoban: we won't to build an environment in 2015 and not in 2030 :) | 14:48 |
| dneary | sgordon, We're now post-processing those to ensure they're useful to OpenStack | 14:48 |
| adrian-hoban | There are some short-cuts | 14:48 |
| rprakash | The telcowg then manage the passage of BP to approval in openstack | 14:48 |
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| adrian-hoban | Many of us have folks in all these projects | 14:48 |
| dneary | adrian-hoban, Indeed | 14:48 |
| dneary | Much redundancy, many repeated conversations | 14:48 |
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| fzdarsky | adrian-hoban, yes, but from experience, those people do not communicate well in all companies | 14:49 |
| sgordon | well/at all | 14:49 |
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| rprakash | A BP in openstack does it have a hold status so that telcowg can weekly clear or correct what OPNFV comes up with? | 14:49 |
| sgordon | until someone actually approves it | 14:49 |
| sgordon | it's in a hold status by default ;) | 14:49 |
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| rprakash | So we ask OPNFV to start a BP with Hold staus | 14:50 |
| sgordon | what i want to get back to is mkoderer's question though | 14:50 |
| vks | i thought we are trying to collaborate with OPNFV, but seems going in other drection | 14:50 |
| sgordon | about where use cases are tracked particularly if you are not part of OPNFV | 14:50 |
| sgordon | vks, how so? | 14:50 |
| rprakash | And let telcowg rework it to meet the openstack module requirments? | 14:51 |
| rprakash | Plus there are cases where cross module BPs are required and that is not the capability of OPNFV let teclowg suggest how to handle that | 14:52 |
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| vks | sgordon, so going by above conversation this group participation in BP's will be zero | 14:52 |
| rprakash | Which group? you mean telcowg ? Not at all | 14:52 |
| vks | yes | 14:53 |
| sgordon | vks, i dont see where you got that from | 14:53 |
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| matrohon | sgordon : the Use case repo makes sense for people like mkoderer : OPNFV teams can still review them or even register new Use cases in it | 14:53 |
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| sgordon | i think what we keep coming around on in this conversation is that the use case definition is the primary overlap between opnfv and this group | 14:54 |
| adrian-hoban | One of the reasons we set up this Telco WG was a request from various PTLs and core devs for the Telco community to collaborate and agree on an approach before broadening the review requests. I don't think that fundamental has changed | 14:54 |
| rprakash | See let each requirement project come to this meeting from OPNFV to telcowg, present gt advice from telcowg before they initiate even BP | 14:54 |
| sgordon | blueprints although discussed in groups are ultimately owned by an individual | 14:54 |
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| sgordon | we can collaborate on making sure they are likely to succeed and meet everyone's needs though | 14:54 |
| vks | matrohon, +1 | 14:54 |
| sgordon | #info "One of the reasons we set up this Telco WG was a request from various PTLs and core devs for the Telco community to collaborate and agree on an approach before broadening the review requests. I don't think that fundamental has changed" | 14:54 |
| sgordon | adrian-hoban, big +1 - and though i see opnfv as a possible step towards handling this it's clearly not there yet | 14:55 |
| rprakash | Yes agreed but there needs be communication or join meet between the two in Openstack telcowg to help that happen | 14:55 |
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| sgordon | rprakash, isnt that how i started the meeting? | 14:55 |
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| sgordon | i was also on the opnfv call on this topic y'day | 14:55 |
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| sgordon | what we need to get to is a little clearer division of responsibilities though | 14:56 |
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| adrian-hoban | sgordon: +1 | 14:56 |
| rprakash | May be I missed that but then we must get dneary who has been leading OPNFV side to work with you on that | 14:56 |
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| vks | sgordon, +1 | 14:57 |
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| dneary | sgordon, re: Where are use cases tracked, seems like OPNFV is the current best place. | 14:57 |
| sgordon | dneary, unless your not in OPNFV | 14:57 |
| dneary | I understand the "not everyone is in OPNFV" argument | 14:58 |
| sgordon | im still concerned i am seeing no answer to that | 14:58 |
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| smazziotta | sgordon, +1 . kind od RACI table. with owner and deadline... | 14:58 |
| dneary | But people who are not paying members can still participate (unlike ETSI NFV) | 14:58 |
| dneary | And it's sufficiently telco focussed that we have a decent chance that use-cases as defined will be useful to that audience | 14:58 |
| sgordon | technically yes, but is that politically realistic | 14:58 |
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| dneary | sgordon, Depends | 14:58 |
| fzdarsky | dneary, you don't have to pay to participate in ETSI NFV :) | 14:58 |
| rprakash | OK let us ask each requirments project in OPNFV to present their cases to telcowg, and then jointly plan what BPs are required in which module to make that happen | 14:59 |
| mkoderer | dneary: OPNFV is seen as vendor drivern maybe? | 14:59 |
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| sgordon | #action sgordon to kick off thread of conversation to try and define a clearer framework for who does what (OPNFV versus telcowg) | 14:59 |
| mkoderer | IMHO the best place for telco usecases is our review process :) | 14:59 |
| mkoderer | it's a tranperant process and I don't need any commitee agreement | 14:59 |
| dneary | sgordon, If there is an impression that requirements are being "done wrong" by OPNFV, to the detriment of non-OPNFV participants, the incentive to get involved and "fix" them grows - especially if the requirements coming from OPNFV result in code | 14:59 |
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| sgordon | dneary, i think the incentive at the moment is low because they are done wrong enough that they and code associated with them wont be accepted | 15:00 |
| dneary | At the end of the day, if neither OPNFV or ETSI NFV results in code being written and merged into OpenStack, it doesn't matter which we talk to | 15:00 |
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| rprakash | Lets ask how can telcowg help OPNFV requirment folks to translate their requirments to BP, can some one propose a process | 15:00 |
| mkoderer | dneary: +1 | 15:00 |
| mkoderer | meeting time ends :) | 15:00 |
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| sgordon | mkoderer, right - if we did do something with OPNFV for use cases i would like to see them at least move to similar technology/tooling for the reviewing | 15:01 |
| sgordon | not clear now | 15:01 |
| sgordon | we have hit our hard stop | 15:01 |
| sgordon | let's continue in #openstack-nfv or on the mailing list | 15:01 |
| sgordon | thanks all - like i said this was the hot topic in the room yesterday | 15:01 |
| sgordon | wanted to bring everyone up to date | 15:01 |
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| sgordon | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 11 15:01:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-03-11-14.01.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-03-11-14.01.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-03-11-14.01.log.html | 15:01 |
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| rkukura | hi ML2ers | 16:00 |
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| GLaupre | hello | 16:01 |
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| rkukura | looks like we’ve got quorum | 16:02 |
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| rkukura | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 11 16:02:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | #topic Agenda | 16:03 |
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| Sukhdev | HenryG: welcome | 16:03 |
| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 | 16:03 |
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| rkukura | Anything specific to add to the agenda? | 16:03 |
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| shivharis | k3 in Mar 19 | 16:04 |
| rkukura | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| rkukura | From the neutron meeting: | 16:04 |
| shivharis | s/in/is/ | 16:04 |
| rkukura | Feature, String, and Dependency Freeze: March 19 | 16:04 |
| rkukura | RCs: April 9-23 | 16:05 |
| rkukura | Kilo release: April 30 | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | Any other announcements? | 16:05 |
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| rkukura | #topic ML2 Drivers decomposition discussion | 16:06 |
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| rkukura | Any updates, issues or questions on this? | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | I notice - great progress is being made on this effort | 16:07 |
| shivharis | rkukura: what was it about pinning neutron for mds/plugins in neuton meeting | 16:07 |
| rkukura | shivharis: good question | 16:07 |
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| rkukura | I didn’t exactly follow the argument why pinning was needed | 16:08 |
| shivharis | rkukura: seemingly breaks plugins that have already passed due to changes in neutron | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | shivharis: I missed the meeting - please provide more context | 16:09 |
| shivharis | armax: if you are around can you please clarify for ML2'ers | 16:09 |
| rkukura | shivharis: Are you saying that the neutron changes actually break the driver CI? If so, don’t we want to know that? | 16:09 |
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| armax | shivharis: what exactly? | 16:09 |
| shivharis | marun, armax: need clarification on neutron pinning discussed in neutron meeting | 16:10 |
| rkukura | armax: Can you explain the rationale for pinning neutron versions in driver CI as discussed in the neutron meeting? | 16:10 |
| armax | ok | 16:10 |
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| armax | the question is: at the moment both the drivers/plugins and aas services chase neutron’s tip of master | 16:10 |
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| armax | armax: however, this doesn’t have to be the only option | 16:11 |
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| armax | services, as well as drivers, may want to target a specific hash for neutron, which is deemed stable and working from an integration perspective | 16:12 |
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| rkukura | armax: If the neutron hash is pinned, what is the point of triggering the CI on neutron changes? Am I missing something? | 16:13 |
| shivharis | armax: so changes in neutron can break drivers even though at some point it passed CI etc, but what would be a good version, leave it to the developer of ml2drivers? | 16:13 |
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| armax | the need of having CI checking master is so that one can verify whether the pin can be bumpted | 16:13 |
| armax | bumped | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev | armax: I am confused - folks have stable versions (of neutron) and master - are you talking about pining some version of master itself? | 16:15 |
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| armax | that was simply a proposal at the moment | 16:16 |
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| shivharis | armax: i guess we should wait till this is finalized, we can get clarification at a later time | 16:17 |
| rkukura | Seems like ML2 driver owners should track this, but no immediate change is required/recommended, right? | 16:17 |
| armax | rkukura: correct | 16:18 |
| sadasu | armax: is this something that is going to be flushed out in Kilo, or is it something you are exploring for Liberty | 16:18 |
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| armax | lbaas is going to experiemnt with this | 16:18 |
| shivharis | armax: thanks | 16:18 |
| armax | I wouldn’t recommend taking any action at the moment | 16:18 |
| armax | but it’s important to be aware that the option of pinning is there, | 16:18 |
| rkukura | While armax is here, are there any other questions for him regarding decomosition? | 16:18 |
| armax | if one does pin, then yes, the CI tracking master is only there to validate whether the pin can be moved forward | 16:18 |
| sadasu | I have one | 16:18 |
| armax | makes sense? | 16:19 |
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| HenryG | The biggest hump the vendor repos have to get over right now is to switch away from oslo-incubator usage | 16:19 |
| rkukura | sadasu: go adead… | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | armax: In general, it makes sense - but, the devil is in the details :-) | 16:20 |
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| shivharis | armax: run CI twice to see if we can move the pin? | 16:20 |
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| sadasu | armax: might have to give this more thought....do you really want to add dependency on vendor CI for pinning? We want to decouple correct? | 16:21 |
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| armax | shivharis: you run the CI once per project, how many configurations you’re testing it’s up to you | 16:21 |
| sadasu | vendors should be picking a pin based on how they see their CIs behaving, but those are very initial thoughts | 16:21 |
| armax | sadasu: the end goal is to minimize the depedency yes | 16:22 |
| sadasu | my question was regarding UTs on Neutron side | 16:22 |
| armax | sadasu: what about them? | 16:22 |
| sadasu | with the Neutron shim being very thin, and UTs not being able to import modules from stackforge repos | 16:22 |
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| sadasu | UTs on the Neutron side end up mocking so much that there doesnot seem much value in it | 16:23 |
| sadasu | so is there a hard requirement for having UTs on the Neutron side? | 16:24 |
| armax | sadasu: no | 16:24 |
| rcurran | sadasu, all cisco_nexus md UTs have been moved to stackforge | 16:24 |
| GLaupre | UTs? | 16:25 |
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| rkukura | sadasu: I think whether UTs are needed on the neutron side really depends on how thin vs. thick the specific shim is. If the shim for example includes port binding logic, that probably should be tested in neutron using mocked versions of underlying calls. | 16:25 |
| sadasu | rcurran: correct, but the mech driver is a pass through | 16:25 |
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| sadasu | not all mech drivers are split that way | 16:25 |
| rcurran | sadasu, it'a an option. just fyi | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: yes, you are correct | 16:26 |
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| armax | sadasu: correct…it’s not about running UTs here or there | 16:26 |
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| Sukhdev | I guess the critical question to be answered is - if anything changes on the neutron side (the API, for example), how and where do you want to catch it? | 16:27 |
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| armax | sadasu: so long as you ensure effective coverage, unit or otherwise it doesn’t matter where it leaves but how to run it | 16:28 |
| sadasu | rkukura: point taken, but a very small set of UTs...we can run a full detailed set of UTs on stackforge..so why not do everything there | 16:28 |
| armax | s/leaves/lives/ | 16:28 |
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| sadasu | armax: yes, my question was about where it lives...we are definitely ensuring good coverage | 16:28 |
| rkukura | sadasu: I think there is flexibility | 16:28 |
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| armax | even if it existed in your own trees and you have external dependencies | 16:29 |
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| armax | then it’s the ‘trigger’ that counts | 16:29 |
| sadasu | thanks for all responses/inputs | 16:29 |
| shivharis | unit tests should exists where the code exists (repo'wise) | 16:29 |
| sadasu | armax: didn't get that one | 16:29 |
| rkukura | shivharis: Don’t want to reduce neutron’s code coverage metrics | 16:30 |
| sadasu | shivharis: agreed in theory..but UTs have an issue that if you import a module in Neutron that in turn imports from stackforge, UTs implode | 16:31 |
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| sadasu | solution for that would be to mock | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | sadasu: you mean circular dependancy | 16:32 |
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| sadasu | Sukhdev: correct | 16:32 |
| armax | sadasu: that’s one option, the other option is to move that type of coverage elsehwere | 16:32 |
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| armax | sadasu: and execute it based on what changes may impact the code under coverage | 16:33 |
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| sadasu | armax: yes, that can be tested well on the stackforge side since we don't have the import restriction | 16:33 |
| rkukura | lets try to wrap up the decomposition discussion in the next couple minutes so we have time for the rest of the agenda | 16:34 |
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| Sukhdev | HenryG: care to elaborate on oslo-incubator issue? | 16:34 |
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| shivharis | armax: thanks | 16:35 |
| armax | Sukhdev: there may be breaking changes due to the handling/transition from openstack/common to oslo graduated libraries | 16:35 |
| HenryG | Sukhdev: neutron is switching most of the oslo stuff to incubated oslo packages | 16:35 |
| sadasu | armax: thanks...I think I have my questions answered. | 16:35 |
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| armax | ihar will be compiling a wiki page, a journal if you will, where these issues are documented | 16:36 |
| HenryG | Sukhdev: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/VendorSplitPackaging | 16:36 |
| armax | for instance this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159638/ it’s going to break all the projects | 16:36 |
| sadasu | should we be looking out for a specific commit that will bring these changes? | 16:36 |
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| armax | that depedent on Neutron and use openstack/common/log | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | HenryG, armax : Thanks for the heads up - will go and read this | 16:37 |
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| sadasu | thanks for the links | 16:37 |
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| rkukura | are we ready to move onto the next agenda item? | 16:38 |
| rkukura | guess so… | 16:39 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura: yes | 16:39 |
| rkukura | #topic ML2 Sync and error handling (Task Flow) | 16:39 |
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| rkukura | manishg: You around? | 16:39 |
| shivharis | manishg: hi | 16:39 |
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| rkukura | I’d at least like to remind people to review and comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154333/ | 16:40 |
| rkukura | I added one comment this AM. | 16:40 |
| shivharis | i had some questions, i guess i will insert in rhe review | 16:41 |
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| rkukura | OK, anything else on this today? | 16:41 |
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| rkukura | if not… | 16:42 |
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| rkukura | #topic Bugs | 16:42 |
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| shivharis | bugs, we are looking good, i am hoping the high priority ones will be taken care of by K3 (Mar 19) - otherwise it will be very hard | 16:42 |
| manishg | rkukura: around. sorry was distracted! will wait until after bugs | 16:43 |
| shivharis | if anyone needs any help - reviews for bugs - now is the time to ask | 16:43 |
| shivharis | not much to add further.. | 16:44 |
| rkukura | shivharis: On https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1367391, I was making progress, but am just getting back to it now. Hopefuily will have patch in review by 3/16 | 16:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1367391 in neutron "ML2 DVR port binding implementation unnecessarily duplicates schema and logic" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Robert Kukura (rkukura) | 16:44 |
| shivharis | rkukura: this is high pri bug, k3 then? | 16:44 |
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| rkukura | shivharis: yes | 16:45 |
| shivharis | rkukura: thanks | 16:45 |
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| shivharis | lets move on .. | 16:45 |
| rkukura | no other bugs to discuss? | 16:46 |
| shivharis | i am worried about one - really: | 16:46 |
| shivharis | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1378732 | 16:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1378732 in neutron "migrate_to_ml2 script doesn't work for Juno release" [High,New] - Assigned to Mark McClain (markmcclain) | 16:46 |
| shivharis | i have pinged, will ping again, we need some resolution - i ping on this again | 16:47 |
| shivharis | i will ping on this again | 16:47 |
| shivharis | will seek mestery on this | 16:48 |
| rkukura | shivharis: Thanks. | 16:48 |
| rkukura | Any other bugs to discuss? | 16:48 |
| shivharis | this one is in limbo | 16:48 |
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| shivharis | i meant the previous one | 16:48 |
| rkukura | #topic: ML2 Sync and error handling (Task Flow) - revisited | 16:49 |
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| rkukura | manishg: Did you have an update on this? | 16:49 |
| manishg | rkukura: I'll look at your comment. No other comments there. one question | 16:49 |
| rkukura | ok | 16:49 |
| rkukura | go ahead manishg … | 16:49 |
| manishg | Sukhdev wanted to talk about changing the state back to 'Creating' | 16:49 |
| manishg | after it was created. | 16:50 |
| manishg | I'm not sure how that would work? The device would have to generate an event through neutron REST API | 16:50 |
| Sukhdev | manishg: I wanted to discuss the issue that I raised last week - | 16:50 |
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| rkukura | back to creating? Or start in creating, and change to active once complete? | 16:50 |
| manishg | rkukura: normal flow Null -> creating -> active (once all drivers are happy) | 16:50 |
| rkukura | right | 16:51 |
| manishg | Sukhdev wanted : Null-> creating -> Active -> creating (in case one of the devices is unhappy later) | 16:51 |
| Sukhdev | well, it can be changed to any state other than active - so that no action is taken while the back-end is going through recreating the state | 16:51 |
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| manishg | Sukhdev: are you proposing that once we add state to the resource attributes, the REST API should allow 'updating' the internal state? | 16:52 |
| Sukhdev | manishg, possibly - or any other way for the back-end to tell the front end to hold off until I tell you to go again | 16:53 |
| shivharis | manishg: will this lead the system to hang waiting for some completion | 16:53 |
| manishg | rkukura: other pending item in my plate is to write something about accumulating and queueing while it's not ACTIVE yet. | 16:53 |
| rkukura | I think we need to think hard about how we want these states to effect the client workflow. We could allow all REST APIs all the time, or reject or block them in certain states. I lean towards allowing them, and treating the backends as “eventually consistent”. | 16:53 |
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| Sukhdev | We have two cases; | 16:54 |
| manishg | rkukura: it will also require pruning to avoid useless work. update (a --> 1), update (a-->2).... if these are independent only latest prevails, etc. | 16:55 |
| rkukura | manishg: We could avoid queuing if we could make updates sync to the current state, rather than treat each update as an event. | 16:55 |
| Sukhdev | One is to make sure that top-> bottom operations are sync'ed correctly | 16:55 |
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| Sukhdev | you are all discussing this case | 16:55 |
| manishg | shivharis: yes, that's what we are discussing. state-diagram (allow only certain events) or all of them at all times. | 16:56 |
| Sukhdev | the second case is - assume you have 10K ports that have sucessfully been created - the word is happy and the back-end resets | 16:56 |
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| rkukura | Sukhdev: In your 2nd case, I’d like the fact the back-end is out-of-sync to be visible in the API, but not to effect the workflow if possible. | 16:57 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura: that is why I suggested we can have some kind of global notification/state, if needed | 16:58 |
| manishg | Sukhdev: in the end , whatever we do needs to fit inside neutron framework. Should ML2 or other plugins be modifying the db state from within without really a standard RPC event or REST API event? | 16:58 |
| rkukura | We’ve got 2 minutes left - if anyone has anything they’d really like to mention in Open Discussion, let me know. | 16:58 |
| Sukhdev | but, the idea will be when the back-end is syncing, we would not want the resources states be changing - otherwise you have a never ending loop | 16:58 |
| manishg | so Null -> Active is understandable (since it's in middle of completing the action) | 16:58 |
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| Sukhdev | especially in a large scale depoyments | 16:58 |
| manishg | but the other stuff doesn't seem to fit in the framework - regardless of what solution we use. | 16:59 |
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| Sukhdev | We can take this offline - but, think scale :-):-) | 16:59 |
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| matrohon | I would appreciate ML2ers review on that : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163178/ | 16:59 |
| manishg | thinking scale. | 16:59 |
| manishg | but need to also think framework. | 16:59 |
| rkukura | matrohon: thanks | 17:00 |
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| Sukhdev | manishg:-) | 17:00 |
| rkukura | manishg: Lets continue this discussion in gerrit | 17:00 |
| manishg | this issue of active-> creating is independent of scale though :) | 17:00 |
| rkukura | Our time is up | 17:00 |
| rkukura | thanks everyone! | 17:00 |
| manishg | ok, next time! | 17:00 |
| manishg | thanks. | 17:00 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 17:00 |
| rkukura | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| rkukura | bye | 17:00 |
| manishg | bye | 17:00 |
| GLaupre | bye | 17:01 |
| banix | bye | 17:01 |
| yamahata | by | 17:01 |
| sadasu | thanks! | 17:01 |
| Kiall | Just me, or is the meeting bot broke? | 17:01 |
| shivharis | bye | 17:01 |
| Kiall | #startmeeting Designate | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 11 17:01:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Kiall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 17:01 |
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| mugsie | o/ | 17:01 |
| Kiall | Weird - It missed the end of the ML2 meeting | 17:01 |
| elarson | o/ | 17:01 |
| Kiall | Anyway.. Who's about? | 17:01 |
| rkukura | Kiall: noticed that | 17:01 |
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| vinod1 | o/ | 17:02 |
| elarson | Kiall: I noticed the ~openstack bot quit and rejoined in the middle of the last meeting | 17:02 |
| timsim | o? | 17:02 |
| Kiall | #topic Action Items from last week | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | So - We skipped last week, and I had 2 actions from the week both. Both of which I fogot about :/ | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | Both were to do with old-style backends, I'll block off a few hours tomorrow to make that happen. | 17:03 |
| Kiall | Apologies :( | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | #topic Kilo Release Status (kiall - recurring) | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | #link https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/kilo-3 | 17:03 |
| Kiall | k3 (aka feature freeze) is Mar 19th.. 8 days | 17:03 |
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| Kiall | We have a bunch of stuff in progress - TSIG, Validation, Secondaries and Pools API stuff | 17:04 |
| Kiall | s/stuff/features/ | 17:04 |
| timsim | We want all that merged by then, yeah? | 17:04 |
| Kiall | We'll need to try get all these in before 19th, and switch to find/fix after.. | 17:04 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:05 |
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| mugsie | you may have noticed a ton of validation stuff going up, that needs review soon - there is a ton of work left on it | 17:05 |
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| timsim | Cool. Review all the things then. | 17:06 |
| Kiall | TSIG stuff has some -1's, I'll address those today. | 17:06 |
| Kiall | Validation Stuff - Parts are ready I think, but Graham is still working on them. | 17:06 |
| Kiall | Secondaries - Mostly there, some known things we'll want to fix (using attributes like we decided was a bad idea for pools - but that's a fix we can do later) | 17:06 |
| Kiall | Pools - I've been on/off this over the last week - nearly there, will be up and working before 19th. | 17:06 |
| vinod1 | Is secondary zones targeted for k3? | 17:06 |
| Kiall | I think all the other reviews are minor features (e.g. the "Guru Meditation Reports") or bugfixes.. | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | vinod1: it seems to be working well enough - at least with a few more fixes - I think we can try merge in k3 | 17:07 |
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| timsim | ekarlso might riot if we don't ;) | 17:07 |
| mugsie | :) | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | At HP - mugsie / ekarlso are working 100% on upstream stuff right now, while I'm split between an internal project and upstream.. So we should have time to get things solid enough to merge. | 17:08 |
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| Kiall | Anyway - re bugs - are we aware of any show stoppers? | 17:09 |
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| mugsie | is bug 1424621 still open? | 17:09 |
| openstack | bug 1424621 in Designate "eventlet 0.17.0 has broke dns.reversename.from_address() " [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1424621 - Assigned to Kiall Mac Innes (kiall) | 17:09 |
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| mugsie | and I would like 1338256 to be before k3, but it may not make iut | 17:10 |
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| mugsie | it* | 17:10 |
| mugsie | bug 1338256 * | 17:10 |
| openstack | bug 1338256 in Designate "There's no record validation in v2" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1338256 - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slawek-t) | 17:10 |
| Kiall | Ehh - I think that can be closed. It's still broke with 0.17.0, but 0.17.1 or 0.17.2 fix it | 17:10 |
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| Kiall | that's what your working on ;) I guess I call that a feature rather than bug ;) | 17:11 |
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| timsim | That bug fix in eventlet broke things for us :P I've got https://github.com/eventlet/eventlet/pull/212 going | 17:11 |
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| Kiall | timsim: glad you found the source of that! | 17:12 |
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| Kiall | Any others? | 17:12 |
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| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1427411 maybe? | 17:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1427411 in Designate "Recordset updates remain PENDING until periodic sync" [Undecided,New] | 17:12 |
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| mugsie | humm | 17:13 |
| mugsie | yes | 17:13 |
| timsim | I think vinod1 might be working on this | 17:13 |
| Kiall | Humm, I hadn't seen that one. vinod1's making changes around that code? | 17:13 |
| vinod1 | I am investigating that one currently | 17:14 |
| ekarlso | ello :p | 17:14 |
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| Kiall | vinod1: cool, I'll mark as k3 .. If it doesn't land, it's a bugfix and can land in rc phase... | 17:14 |
| Kiall | Okay - So, before we move on, if we can all (myself included ;)) make some time to review the features that need to land by thu of next week :) | 17:15 |
| timsim | Sounds good. | 17:15 |
| vinod1 | will do | 17:15 |
| Kiall | If there's non-critical bugs in them, and it's nearing mid-next week, +2 and file a critical/blocker for rc1 IMO. | 17:16 |
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| timsim | Fair enough. | 17:16 |
| Kiall | Yea, we have a month of feature freeze after k3, but before kilo releases, so I think that makes sense :) | 17:17 |
| Kiall | Okay, let's move on.. | 17:17 |
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| Kiall | #topic Remove the APIv2 wrapping object (mugsie) | 17:17 |
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| Kiall | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-apiv2-wrapping-object | 17:18 |
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| mugsie | so - this has been annoying the hell out of me recently | 17:18 |
| Kiall | mugsie - all yours.. | 17:18 |
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| mugsie | I don't think we need it, it adds complexity allover the place, and should just go away | 17:18 |
| mugsie | or, does anyone disagree? | 17:19 |
| mugsie | or even care ;) ? | 17:19 |
| timsim | I agree. | 17:19 |
| vinod1 | i was just thinking of this last week - so I agree | 17:19 |
| Kiall | Back when we did the V2 - It was for consistency with other OS APIs.. but they all went different directions in the end anyway.. So.. Yea. | 17:19 |
| timsim | Hah. | 17:19 |
| mugsie | cool. I will call this consensus | 17:19 |
| vinod1 | would the change apply to all of v2? | 17:20 |
| mugsie | I can remove it as part of the views changes | 17:20 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:20 |
| * Kiall feels like saying no, just to wind mugsie up | 17:20 | |
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| timsim | Oh please do. | 17:20 |
| mugsie | any request that returns a single resource | 17:20 |
| mugsie | would no longer have the resource name | 17:20 |
| Kiall | Well - listings still have it, resources do not... | 17:20 |
| vinod1 | how about posts? | 17:21 |
| mugsie | same - gone | 17:21 |
| Kiall | I've updated the etherpad with a little more.. | 17:21 |
| mugsie | and patches ;) | 17:21 |
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| mugsie | and I fixed them ;) | 17:22 |
| Kiall | I think I've confused myself with the etherpad changes.. lol | 17:22 |
| Kiall | mugsie: all correct now? So still a "yep" for evertyone? | 17:23 |
| Kiall | everyone* | 17:23 |
| mugsie | looks right | 17:23 |
| timsim | Yup, sounds good | 17:23 |
| mugsie | sorry ekarlso - v2 bindings will have to change again ;) | 17:23 |
| ekarlso | what does that mean ? | 17:23 |
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| vinod1 | looks good to me | 17:24 |
| elarson | + | 17:24 |
| mugsie | the output of the API is going to be different | 17:24 |
| elarson | +1 even | 17:24 |
| Kiall | Okay.. Calling it settled so. Anything else before we move on? | 17:24 |
| * mugsie is now happy | 17:24 | |
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| timsim | I'm good | 17:25 |
| mugsie | good? thats pushing it a bit :D | 17:26 |
| timsim | I'm ok | 17:26 |
| Kiall | Next topic will be.. short.. Since I failed to do my actions :( | 17:26 |
| Kiall | #topic "Old Style" Backend - Status/What's TODO? (kiall) | 17:26 |
| Kiall | I had said I'd get a POC of this done, but totally forgot. I'll block a few hours tomorrow to Just Do It? (Wonder if I need a little "TM of Nike" after that? ;)) | 17:26 |
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| mugsie | thaty better timsim | 17:26 |
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| Kiall | So - I'm not sure we have anything new here to discuss till I get that done.. Thoughts? | 17:26 |
| mugsie | nope - we need to have a POC i think | 17:27 |
| timsim | Don't think so. | 17:27 |
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| Kiall | Okay.. Let's move onto timsim so ;) | 17:27 |
| Kiall | #topic Bug triage (timsim-recurring) | 17:27 |
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| Kiall | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 17:27 |
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| timsim | Three untriaged bugs | 17:28 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1427411 | 17:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1427411 in Designate "Recordset updates remain PENDING until periodic sync" [High,New] | 17:28 |
| timsim | That's already k3 high, so I'm just going to triage that one? | 17:28 |
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| mugsie | yup | 17:28 |
| Kiall | timsim: please do :) I thought I did that earlier along with the for k3 change | 17:28 |
| timsim | k | 17:28 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1425668 | 17:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1425668 in Designate "Poor error message when using same database for designate and the pool manager cache" [Undecided,New] | 17:29 |
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| timsim | Probably a nice-to-have type thing? | 17:29 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:29 |
| Kiall | I think that will likely land post k3, but the LP milestone doesn't exist yet | 17:29 |
| mugsie | not a show stopper, and somehting that could be rc1 | 17:29 |
| Kiall | I can ask Thierry to create that tomorrow.. | 17:29 |
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| timsim | Alright, I'll leave it the way it is so that we remember to put it there next week | 17:30 |
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| mugsie | +1 | 17:30 |
| Kiall | perfect | 17:30 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1425117 | 17:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1425117 in Designate "Designate does not work with postgres" [High,New] | 17:30 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:30 |
| mugsie | this is .... interesting | 17:30 |
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| mugsie | how do we want to mark this | 17:30 |
| timsim | Would we have to like...go back and edit db migrations to fix that? | 17:31 |
| Kiall | We (technically) support Postgres.. So it's certainly a bug.. I would mark for rc1, it's just not going to happen before then I think | 17:31 |
| mugsie | timsim: yes | 17:32 |
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| Kiall | timsim: yea, we've done it before for postgres! The trick is to make sure you don't change anything which would affect mysql/sqlite :/ | 17:32 |
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| Kiall | Which is sadly harder than it should be for some changes.. | 17:32 |
| Kiall | I wonder if, once this is fixed, we move the bind9 gate to Postgres.. (PowerDNS prefers MySQL!) | 17:33 |
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| Kiall | (I don't think it even actually supports psql..) | 17:33 |
| timsim | Sounds like a good idea. | 17:33 |
| timsim | So we don't have a rc1 milestone, so same story as the last one? | 17:34 |
| mugsie | yeah, testing postgres would be a good first step ;) | 17:34 |
| Kiall | Oh .. It does support it.. Either way, moving one of the gates over (or adding another) would help | 17:34 |
| Kiall | timsim: yea, I've got a sync up with Thierry tommorrw - he creates all those for the projects :) | 17:34 |
| timsim | Sounds good. :) We're done then | 17:35 |
| vinod1 | I see a couple of bugs that are not triaged and do not show up on the list | 17:35 |
| vinod1 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1427425 | 17:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1427425 in Designate "Zones remain in ERROR indefinitely with the noop pool manager cache" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Vinod Mangalpally (vinod-mang) | 17:35 |
| Kiall | I'll ask him to create rc1 | 17:35 |
| vinod1 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1427433 | 17:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1427433 in Designate "Pool Manager Recovery Code Needs to Update Status in Central" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Vinod Mangalpally (vinod-mang) | 17:35 |
| timsim | Yeah I think those just need importance? | 17:36 |
| vinod1 | Fix is in code review for both of those - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162754/ | 17:36 |
| Kiall | http://paste.openstack.org/show/191653/ is the "untriaged-bot" that spams our room twice a day... | 17:36 |
| Kiall | Maybe it's wrong? or the agenda link doesn't get everything? Not 100% sure :) | 17:36 |
| mugsie | agenda link is wrong i think | 17:37 |
| timsim | Yeah, L27 looks for importance | 17:37 |
| timsim | Good catch vinod1, high for both of those? | 17:37 |
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| Kiall | I robbed it from tripleo - I'm betting they did 2 searches for a reason.. | 17:37 |
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| vinod1 | timsim: I am ok with that | 17:38 |
| Kiall | timsim: I think so, both seem like it | 17:38 |
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| timsim | Cool. | 17:38 |
| vinod1 | There is one other bug too - without the importance field marked - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/162754/ | 17:39 |
| vinod1 | wrong link | 17:39 |
| vinod1 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1416337 | 17:39 |
| Kiall | wrong link? | 17:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1416337 in Designate "Designate server create with concurrent request is not listing all servers even after successful creation." [Undecided,Incomplete] | 17:39 |
| timsim | Yeah, that one is waiting for more info from the reporter. | 17:39 |
| mugsie | we are still waiting for that reporter to come back | 17:39 |
| Kiall | That probably shouldn't be showing up - Incomplete since someone here (can't remember who) tried + failed to reproduce | 17:39 |
| timsim | It's just that importance field that's catching it. Maybe just put it at a Low, and if they come back, change it? | 17:40 |
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| timsim | Probably close it out at the end of Kilo otherwise | 17:40 |
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| Kiall | Well the bot code attempts to filter those out, clearly it's failing though :) | 17:41 |
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| Kiall | Anyway, I'd agree with timsim - Low - It's not an end user or commonly called API | 17:42 |
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| timsim | Alright, actually done ;) | 17:42 |
| Kiall | Cool :) Moving on so.. | 17:42 |
| Kiall | #topic Open Discussion | 17:42 |
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| Kiall | Anything off-agenda to discuss? | 17:42 |
| mugsie | Not from me :) | 17:43 |
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| vinod1 | Nothing from me | 17:43 |
| timsim | I've noticed situations in Bind9 where we send a create/delete, and for some reason the thing actually happens, but the Pool Manager thinks it failed, and it gets in this nasty loop where it's trying to rndc addzone/delzone things that have already been done, which fail and get retried forever. | 17:44 |
| Kiall | I've managed to spot that once with PowerDNS too - but didn't find the root cause | 17:44 |
| timsim | I could see this happening in other backends as well, I'm wondering if maybe we should take some stance on where to fix this, in the Pool Manager itself, or maybe in the backend (ie, Bind9 Backend checks before it deletes if something has been deleted, and if so, returns success without calling delzone) | 17:44 |
| timsim | I had a particularly nasty incident in Bind9 yesterday w/ the agent where it kept retrying like 100 delzones :P | 17:45 |
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| ekarlso | So | 17:45 |
| ekarlso | V2 bindings, what's bad there again ? | 17:45 |
| Kiall | timsim: I think it's probably somthing we need to do driver by driver | 17:45 |
| Kiall | Each will have a differnt way of really knowing if the task suceeded | 17:45 |
| timsim | Kiall: That was my opinion. That way it just works on a periodic recovery/sync | 17:46 |
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| elarson | not sure if it could work, but if there is a validation function assigned to each operation based on the driver it could be called before retrying the action. | 17:47 |
| Kiall | timsim: how often have you managed to see it? I've only seen it once naturally and took 100s of requests to reproduce | 17:47 |
| Kiall | ekarlso: 2 conversations at once in IRC - will come back after this one is done ;) | 17:47 |
| Kiall | ekarlso: 2 conversations at once in IRC is hard - will come back after this one is done ;)* | 17:47 |
| * elarson imagines something being added to the message on the queue | 17:47 | |
| timsim | I've seen it fairly often when working with situations where network connectivity was spotty or firewalls were going up and down, or (yesterday) when delzones were taking longer than a TCP timeout for some calls. | 17:48 |
| mugsie | validation might be a good one ... | 17:48 |
| mugsie | but that should be donje in the backend I think | 17:48 |
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| Kiall | timsim: That might explain it for bind9 for powerdns, it's a SQL call, and when it's happend to me, everything was local on 1 VM | 17:48 |
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| Kiall | but for powerdns* | 17:49 |
| Kiall | Maybe there's a more basic root cause somewhere? | 17:49 |
| timsim | The other way to do it would basically be to call MiniDNS for that type of change (create delete) and see if it happened before retrying in periodic x | 17:49 |
| timsim | Kiall: I think it can happen in a variety of different situations. Basically anywhere the message coming back to Designate after reaching out to the backend doesn't get there. | 17:49 |
| Kiall | I'm guessing the update_status call -> central? or another call? | 17:50 |
| timsim | What I said two msgs up there is similar to what elarson is saying | 17:50 |
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| timsim | Well agent for example goes Mdns/PM->Agent -/> Mdns/PM | 17:51 |
| timsim | If that connection is severed for some reason, then mdns/pm assumes failure | 17:51 |
| Kiall | Okay - You have a better handle on this than anyone else it seems ;) Pretty sure we can trust your judgement on a fix! | 17:51 |
| timsim | I would think if Someone---SQL Query---> PDNS and it timed out, but the thing actually worked, same issue | 17:51 |
| timsim | :P I've been thinking about it a lot in the last 24 hours | 17:52 |
| mugsie | :) | 17:52 |
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| timsim | I didn't really mean to hijack the meeting, just thought I'd mention it :x | 17:52 |
| Kiall | lol :P | 17:52 |
| timsim | I'll file a bug and put my thoughts down there, how about that? | 17:53 |
| Kiall | Okay .. ekarlso.. re v2 bindings, mugsie's proposed change https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/designate-apiv2-wrapping-object changes the V2 API.. I think that's what he meant | 17:53 |
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| mugsie | timsim: +1 | 17:53 |
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| mugsie | ekarlso: what Kiall said ^ | 17:54 |
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| Kiall | ekarlso seems to be AFK - I'm betting a certain new baby called him over :) Oh well! Anything else before we call it a day? | 17:54 |
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| * mugsie has nothing | 17:55 | |
| timsim | I'm ok ;) | 17:55 |
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| Kiall | Guess that's it so! thanks all :) Will be a busy week getting stuff in before 19th.. See you in #openstack-dns :) | 17:55 |
| mugsie | 0/ | 17:55 |
| Kiall | #endmeeting | 17:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 11 17:56:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-03-11-17.01.html | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-03-11-17.01.txt | 17:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-03-11-17.01.log.html | 17:56 |
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| mugsie | #endmeeting | 17:56 |
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| SlickNik | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 11 18:00:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SlickNik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
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| SlickNik | Hello there | 18:00 |
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| peterstac | o/ | 18:01 |
| jodah | o/ | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | Giving folks a few minutes to trickle in to the Trove meeting. | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | Agenda at: | 18:01 |
| georgelorch | o/ | 18:01 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TroveMeeting#Trove_Meeting.2C_March_11.2C_2015 | 18:01 |
| mattvd | o/ | 18:01 |
| schang | o/ | 18:01 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:01 |
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| vgnbkr | o/ | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | Okay, let's get started | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | #topic Trove pulse update | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update | 18:03 |
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| SlickNik | Nice job on keeping the reviews moving! | 18:03 |
| SlickNik | Thanks to folks who have been active with reviews. | 18:04 |
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| edmondk | o/ | 18:04 |
| nshah | o/ | 18:04 |
| esmute | 0/ | 18:04 |
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| pmalik | \0/ | 18:05 |
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| SlickNik | For folks wondering — I pulled the numbers this morning instead of last night — which is why we have numbers for the last 8 days (instead of 7) | 18:05 |
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| atomic77 | o/ | 18:06 |
| SlickNik | Our average wait times (for incoming patches) have been consistently going down — which is really nice to see. | 18:06 |
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| amrith | ./ | 18:07 |
| edmondk | Yeah on Feb 18th average wait times were 14 days | 18:07 |
| edmondk | now they are 5 days | 18:07 |
| SlickNik | Any questions regarding this — if not, let's move on. | 18:08 |
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| SlickNik | #topic Feature Freeze Next Week (March 19) | 18:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Feature Freeze Next Week (March 19) (Meeting topic: trove)" | 18:09 | |
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| SlickNik | So next week is FF, which means that we won't be accepting patches for any feature work for kilo after that. | 18:09 |
| SlickNik | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 18:10 |
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| SlickNik | We have 2-3 weeks of stabilization time after that, where we will focus on bugfixes for the Kilo release. | 18:11 |
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| SlickNik | So specifically for the kilo-3 blueprints, we have quite a few outstanding reviews. | 18:11 |
| SlickNik | I've created an etherpad page to aggregate the open BP's and their associated reviews here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TroveKilo3Blueprints | 18:12 |
| vkmc | o/ | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TroveKilo3Blueprints | 18:12 |
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| SlickNik | Let's prioritize getting these reviews looked at and merged before feature freeze next week. | 18:14 |
| johnma | do the patches for the new features need to be merged by March 19th? | 18:14 |
| johnma | just trying to understand the process | 18:14 |
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| SlickNik | johnma: yes — if they are to be part of the Kilo release. | 18:15 |
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| johnma | ok, sounds good. Thanks SlickNik | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | If not, we will have to move them to Liberty. | 18:15 |
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| SlickNik | While compiling the list, I noticed that some of the reviews needed some TLC wrt merge conflicts. | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | So I was going to do that today to ensure that they were in a good reviewable state. | 18:17 |
| SlickNik | There are a couple that are still waiting on code to be pushed up — towards the bottom of that list. | 18:18 |
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| johnma | yes I need to do that for the couchdb work. Will push one out today. | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | I'm still assuming that that's in the pipeline — any update on ETAs for those? | 18:19 |
| SlickNik | cool, thanks johnma! | 18:19 |
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| SlickNik | vgnbkr: Any update on the replication v2 patchset? | 18:20 |
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| vgnbkr | SlickNik, yeah, it's done except for one small piece of functionality. I'm working on tests now. | 18:21 |
| johnma | I have to push the patchset for the DB2 guest agent as well. I am just cleaning up some stuff but should have that in today as well. | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | vgnbkr / johnma: sounds good. Thanks! | 18:21 |
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| SlickNik | Any other questions / clarifications regarding Feature Freeze or any of this? | 18:22 |
| johnma | I have a question about the DIB elements for DB2 and Vertica but I can wait until Open Discussion time | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | johnma: okay | 18:23 |
| johnma | its not related to the feature freeze item | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | Let's move on then, to allow more time for Open Discussion | 18:23 |
| SlickNik | #topic Coming down the pike for Liberty | 18:23 |
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| SlickNik | amrith: around? | 18:24 |
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| SlickNik | (he mentioned earlier that he might be on a plane) | 18:25 |
| dougshelley66 | he was travelling today - i don't think he has a wifi signal ATM | 18:26 |
| SlickNik | Basically these changes are for oslo-config-generator which will allow us to generate sample configs based on the values in code. | 18:26 |
| SlickNik | This is one of the oslo changes that we can take in Liberty. | 18:27 |
| SlickNik | There were a couple of questions folks had around BPs / specs for Liberty. | 18:27 |
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| SlickNik | Feel free to submit a spec for liberty — just ensure that in your submission the spec.rst is in the liberty folder. | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | (in trove-specs) | 18:28 |
| SlickNik | More info on the oslo config-generator changes: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.config/generator.html | 18:29 |
| SlickNik | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.config/generator.html | 18:29 |
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| SlickNik | Looking at the config-generator docs, I have a couple of questions related to namespacing — I'll follow up with _amrith_ on this once he's back. | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | Any other questions? | 18:32 |
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| SlickNik | #action SlickNik follow up with _amrith_ on config parameter namespacing and different confs in trove (eg. taskmanager vs conductor) | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | Okay, let's move on then. | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | #topic Open Discussion | 18:33 |
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| SlickNik | johnma: I know you had a question here | 18:34 |
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| peterstac | I have one | 18:35 |
| johnma | If I may about the DIB elements I mentioned earlier - I know this is up for review but I thought it might be good to have a consistent way of providing DIB elements for datastores that require the packages to be downloaded to a local file system or provide a private repository | 18:35 |
| johnma | oh sorry Peterstac, I was just going on and on typing | 18:36 |
| johnma | you may go ahead | 18:36 |
| peterstac | johnma: go ahead, you were first | 18:36 |
| johnma | sorry, I didnt mean to interrupt. But I will just type this out and rest my case. My only point about the DIB elements for such datastores is that we have a consistent env variable name for defining for example, the download location, etc | 18:37 |
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| johnma | and folks can review and leave their comments in there but just wanted to bring this up | 18:38 |
| johnma | so that we dont have different datastores defining variables that have the same function | 18:38 |
| johnma | thats it from my side. | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | johnma: That sounds like a good idea — let me take a look at the vertica review — we can hash out a consistent design with some standard ENV vars to set which the elements can use? | 18:39 |
| SlickNik | Then DB2 can use a similar pattern | 18:39 |
| johnma | that would be great SlickNik, appreciate it. From the DB2 side, I would like to follow the method Amrith had mentioned in his doc for building guest images - to define an extra-data.d to download the packages | 18:40 |
| johnma | right now its all in the install.d | 18:40 |
| johnma | its a good thing we have a process | 18:41 |
| peterstac | johnma: looks like that's how the Vertica patchset is doing it | 18:41 |
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| peterstac | although the variable names are Vertica-specific | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | peterstac: Yes, I think the concern is that the changes to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156149/3/scripts/functions_qemu,cm are too Vertica specific | 18:42 |
| peterstac | SlickNik: Yes, in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156149/3/scripts/files/elements/ubuntu-vertica/extra-data.d/93-copy-vertica-deb,cm too | 18:43 |
| SlickNik | Yes — I agree with that, let's take the comments to the review and continue from there. | 18:44 |
| johnma | I havent spend much time doing reviews on the Vertica patchset I must admit but I thought since the process of downloading the packages for DB2 and Vertica are similar, there should be consistency between both, thats all | 18:44 |
| peterstac | sounds good | 18:44 |
| johnma | sounds good to me. Thank you SlickNik and peterstac. Appreciate it | 18:44 |
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| SlickNik | Okay, peterstac — you had an item for Open Discussion as well? | 18:45 |
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| peterstac | yep | 18:45 |
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| peterstac | I was just going to point out that until the trove-integration patchsets for DB2 and Vertica land | 18:45 |
| peterstac | we won't be able to test the datastores | 18:45 |
| peterstac | but I guess that was driven home by the above discussion :) | 18:46 |
| johnma | thats true. I will push another patch today with the extra-data changes and will wait for other reviews on the env variables and push another one | 18:47 |
| SlickNik | peterstac: Yes, that's the case. They will have to land as experimental at first — is that what you meant to clarify? | 18:47 |
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| peterstac | sure, that too, but mostly that we have up to three patches to review on each datastore, and each one depends on the one before it being completed | 18:48 |
| peterstac | and the trove-integration ones should be done first, IMO | 18:49 |
| peterstac | that's it | 18:50 |
| SlickNik | peterstac: Ah, I recall sushil had a cheat-sheet on instructions in case you wanted to take the vertica patches for a spin — https://gist.githubusercontent.com/sushilkm/9206a9d61ee9a9046f89/raw/68cd427afe3b3727679f02bf5d2d745c70adb513/gistfile1.txt | 18:50 |
| SlickNik | agree that the trove-integration ones should merge first, since that's what's needed for the image. | 18:50 |
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| SlickNik | I'll follow up with the reviews on the trove-integration patches today so that we can get some closure on that as soon as possible. | 18:52 |
| johnma | and the instructions for getting the DB2 packages are included in the element itself | 18:52 |
| peterstac | great! | 18:52 |
| SlickNik | johnma: ++ | 18:52 |
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| SlickNik | Okay — anything else for Open Discusssion? | 18:54 |
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| SlickNik | . | 18:54 |
| SlickNik | #endmeeting | 18:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 11 18:54:50 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-03-11-18.00.html | 18:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-03-11-18.00.txt | 18:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-03-11-18.00.log.html | 18:54 |
| SlickNik | Thanks all! | 18:54 |
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| johnma | thank you | 18:56 |
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| xgerman | #startmeeting octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 11 20:00:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #chair blogan | 20:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan xgerman | 20:00 |
| Aish | 0/ | 20:00 |
| bharath | o/ | 20:00 |
| mwang2 | o/ | 20:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:00 |
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| ajmiller | o/ | 20:00 |
| xgerman | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Meeting_2015-03-11 | 20:00 |
| xgerman | let's see if blogan is back from taco after daylight saving change | 20:01 |
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| jorgem | o/ | 20:01 |
| rm_work | o/ | 20:01 |
| fnaval | o. | 20:01 |
| fnaval | o/ | 20:01 |
| ptoohill | o/ | 20:01 |
| TrevorV | o/ | 20:01 |
| rm_work | blogan is on PTO :P | 20:02 |
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| xgerman | towed? | 20:02 |
| rm_work | but who knows, he might show up | 20:02 |
| dougwig | rm_work: oh, you mean he's working from home? | 20:02 |
| ptoohill | lol | 20:02 |
| TrevorV | Yes dougwig that's the troof | 20:02 |
| rm_work | yes, his last two days of PTO he did :) | 20:02 |
| xgerman | #topic Announcements | 20:02 |
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| dougwig | if he's here, i can tell him that my car got towed this morning (bad starter) | 20:03 |
| jorgem | that doesn't count | 20:03 |
| ptoohill | lol | 20:03 |
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| xgerman | lol | 20:03 |
| rm_work | dougwig: you didn't just fix it in your driveway? :P | 20:03 |
| xgerman | jorgem +1 | 20:03 |
| rm_work | starter isn't too bed | 20:03 |
| rm_work | *too bad | 20:04 |
| rm_work | bet it's like $100 at Oreilly's | 20:04 |
| xgerman | ok, so we had mark give us a demo of akanda rug yesterday and it looks pretty impressive | 20:04 |
| xgerman | but he also promised us to give us a version to play around with... which hasn't happened... | 20:04 |
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| rm_work | yeah, if we decided to move to that, it would mean scrapping a huge portion of our current design for Octavia, right? basically all of the current VM interfaces? | 20:05 |
| xgerman | yeah, I think it will be a big refactor | 20:05 |
| xgerman | but from an operator perspective I liked the tooling for listing running vms, etc, | 20:06 |
| xgerman | anyhow, I will reserver judegment to once I had a chance to play with it :-) | 20:06 |
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| xgerman | dougwig? any lb vendor perspective? | 20:07 |
| johnsom | It sounded like there was still some work to be done before everything we would need is in akanda, but it didn't sound like a lot | 20:07 |
| dougwig | i think we'd be nuts to rewrite all of that infrastructure ourselves. | 20:07 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:08 |
| dougwig | i mean, we can have simple drivers for nova, plumbing, and amphoras for demos, but when it comes to making them production ready, an akanda driver for those three functions could get us pretty far down the road. | 20:08 |
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| dougwig | that was my initial impression, anyway. | 20:08 |
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| ajmiller | +1 | 20:09 |
| dougwig | that is predicated on us getting bits and it all working, of course. | 20:09 |
| sballe__ | o/ sorry for being late | 20:09 |
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| ptoohill | So, we would probably need to invest time in Akanda to get it ready for our needs, unless we expect them to do that for us? | 20:09 |
| jorgem | dougwig: correct, I want to get something working end to end asap | 20:10 |
| xgerman | yeah, I think we will need to engage with them | 20:10 |
| xgerman | jorgem +1 - I see akanda AFTER we have end to end | 20:10 |
| sballe__ | dougwig: +1 | 20:10 |
| jorgem | ptoohill: I hope it's the latter | 20:10 |
| jorgem | xgerman: +2 | 20:10 |
| ptoohill | i dont think it will be jorgem | 20:10 |
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| sballe__ | jorgem: +1 | 20:10 |
| ptoohill | and if it is, were at the mercy of their timeline | 20:10 |
| ptoohill | which im not sure our needs are their top priority | 20:11 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:11 |
| sballe__ | ptoohill: It is open source and I agree regarding the priority. We would need to see and assess its status before we deicde to go with it | 20:12 |
| ptoohill | agreed, im just wondering if and how much of my time well be spending getting this new framework ready for things we already have planned out | 20:12 |
| sballe__ | based on the demo we only got to see what they wanted us to see. We need to dig deeper | 20:13 |
| ptoohill | or already in flux | 20:13 |
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| xgerman | sballe__ +1 we need to get the code and assess | 20:13 |
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| ptoohill | agreed sballe__, just my initial thoughts | 20:13 |
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| sballe__ | ptoohill: I agree | 20:13 |
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| xgerman | ptoohill we will be spending time getting our drivers production ready, too, so without the kanda code it's hard to assess | 20:14 |
| xgerman | anyhow, I think we are on the same page... so moving on: | 20:14 |
| xgerman | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:14 |
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| sballe__ | xgerman: +1 | 20:14 |
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| TrevorV | SSH Driver should be ready to review, I just still haven't tested it locally by running the code by hand | 20:15 |
| TrevorV | That's what i'll be doing today/tomorrow | 20:15 |
| johnsom | Continued progress on the controller worker. I plan to post another patch set today that will add load balancer functionality | 20:15 |
| xgerman | Agent API server works for most functions need to add SSL and some other minor stuff | 20:16 |
| ptoohill | Im an Octavia slacker, all foxus has been in neutron-lbaas | 20:16 |
| mwang2 | continue working on add config drive to nova compute driver and change code for health manager based on review comment | 20:16 |
| johnsom | I was hoping blogan would be here. I'm interested to know his timeline/plans for the network driver. | 20:16 |
| sballe__ | I have started work on Amphora REST driver | 20:16 |
| sballe__ | thanks for ptoohill TrevorV ajmiller for their help :-)] | 20:17 |
| TrevorV | johnsom assume he's a lazy bumb until next Monday. | 20:17 |
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| TrevorV | ( sballe__ still not sure what I did, but you're welcome :D ) | 20:17 |
| sballe__ | :-) | 20:17 |
| ptoohill | Your presence TrevorV | 20:17 |
| xgerman | #topic Discuss AmphoraDriver: | 20:18 |
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| xgerman | well, with ssh being ready I guess TrevorV won the race :-) | 20:18 |
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| xgerman | (my intention for this topic was to highlight we are close with the REST driver and could skip ssh but since we have it...) | 20:19 |
| sballe__ | I'll continue to work on the amphora driver we can always decide later | 20:20 |
| TrevorV | Well xgerman I don't think having both would be a problem anyway, since we should potentially still prioritize the REST driver for reviews and such | 20:21 |
| rm_work | I'm still liking the prospect of SSH driver for production deployments, after my last conversation with dougwig about it | 20:21 |
| xgerman | our aim was always to go with REST but we felt ssh got us to the end-to-enfd quicker | 20:21 |
| rm_work | so I wouldn't want to skip it regardless :P | 20:21 |
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| sballe__ | rm_work: +1 I agree | 20:22 |
| xgerman | rm_work any reason why ssh is better than REST? | 20:22 |
| rm_work | a few | 20:22 |
| xgerman | shoot: | 20:22 |
| rm_work | dougwig: do you want to go through them, or should I? :P | 20:22 |
| rm_work | 1) nothing additional running on the Amphora, so virtually zero overhead | 20:22 |
| johnsom | Curious on this myself. | 20:22 |
| rm_work | 2) SSH is as provably secure as anything can be | 20:22 |
| rm_work | 3) No logic deployed to the Amphorae, so updates would be entirely service-side (better scaling for updates) | 20:23 |
| ptoohill | lit the fire under rm_work :) | 20:23 |
| dougwig | i like it because the amphora image becomes *download cloud image from canonical*. it's there, adding keys is common in openstack, bash is a fine DSL for configuring haproxy. | 20:23 |
| dougwig | no bugs in software we don't write. | 20:24 |
| xgerman | well, we still need some agent to push stats/health | 20:24 |
| sballe__ | xgerman: +1 | 20:24 |
| rm_work | was stats a pull or a push? | 20:24 |
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| ptoohill | Other stats besides the ones maintianed by haproxy right | 20:24 |
| ptoohill | theres a few types of stats i thought | 20:25 |
| ptoohill | like instance stats, but think we can collect those else where? | 20:25 |
| xgerman | even the ones maintained by haproxy need to get to the controller/ceilometer/... | 20:25 |
| ptoohill | you can query for those | 20:26 |
| dougwig | scp can copy over an agent or deb. it becomes self-updating. | 20:26 |
| ptoohill | its ones that are not set up to be tracked | 20:26 |
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| rm_work | dougwig speaks truth | 20:26 |
| xgerman | yeah, he does :-) | 20:26 |
| ptoohill | like cpu stuffs | 20:26 |
| xgerman | well, I know people who sell aproduct which ssh's into each host and gathers those stats | 20:27 |
| TrevorV | All those informations can be derived from the SSH connection | 20:27 |
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| TrevorV | through the SSH connection*** | 20:27 |
| rm_work | if the stats are "haproxy stats", then yeah those can be pulled through SSH | 20:27 |
| xgerman | yep, but that doesn't scale very well | 20:27 |
| sballe__ | xgerman: +1 | 20:27 |
| ptoohill | thgeres others i thought we wanted to collect | 20:28 |
| rm_work | I thought we'd decided to go with pull-stats too... | 20:28 |
| ptoohill | not just haproxy | 20:28 |
| rm_work | and actually, it should scale fine -- you split up the amphorae between different workers | 20:28 |
| rm_work | scales pretty easily IMO? | 20:28 |
| TrevorV | ptoohill like what? Basic networking stats and hardware information? That can still be retrieved through SSH connection, right? | 20:28 |
| xgerman | yep, I am not questioning that | 20:28 |
| ptoohill | sure static stats can | 20:28 |
| rm_work | though there might still need to be SOME code that lives on the Amphora, like were we still planning to have a push-based heartbeat? | 20:29 |
| ptoohill | but i thought we wanted to collect data of cpu usage/mem etc | 20:29 |
| ptoohill | but im sure that could be done without an agent of sorts, maybe | 20:29 |
| xgerman | yep, we want but you cna do that though SSH, too | 20:29 |
| ptoohill | idk | 20:29 |
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| ptoohill | ah, very true | 20:29 |
| ptoohill | just have it poll | 20:29 |
| TrevorV | +1 xgerman that's what I was talking about | 20:29 |
| rm_work | well, the point being if it's push based, it needs to have a daemon running ON the amphora | 20:29 |
| johnsom | The code that is in the repo was for a push model. | 20:29 |
| rm_work | so that can do whatever | 20:29 |
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| xgerman | yeah, even UDP because TCP was too heavy :-) | 20:30 |
| rm_work | heh | 20:30 |
| rm_work | yeah, barclaac's code | 20:30 |
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| rm_work | which is fine to remain as-is | 20:30 |
| rm_work | we're talking about the controller->amphora direction | 20:30 |
| rm_work | like config updates, etc | 20:30 |
| bedis | (morning) | 20:30 |
| rm_work | and, I thought, stats pulling | 20:30 |
| johnsom | The current design puts a lot of weight on the agent monitoring the haproxy instances | 20:30 |
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| dougwig | i'd wager that the "health check" in 0.5 could be just keeping an ssh connection hot and noticing when it drops. | 20:31 |
| xgerman | my main worry is that pushing out code with ssh, etc. makes us into some poor man's ansible/chef/etc. | 20:31 |
| bedis | note: it is possible to exports stats through a TCP socket (ciphered) | 20:31 |
| bedis | or CSV through the stats page | 20:32 |
| xgerman | bedi, neat! | 20:32 |
| bedis | http://demo.haproxy.org/ | 20:32 |
| bedis | and | 20:32 |
| bedis | http://demo.haproxy.org/;csv | 20:33 |
| bedis | just an example | 20:33 |
| bedis | you can even export stats for a single frontend or backend: | 20:33 |
| bedis | http://demo.haproxy.org/;csv?scope=www | 20:33 |
| xgerman | I can see a short term (0.5) need for ssh but long term I would think REST is better (since we can use golden images; make sure nobody ssh i and turns it into a botnet) | 20:33 |
| bedis | :) | 20:33 |
| rm_work | well, I assume SSH would only be bound to the management interface | 20:34 |
| rm_work | but I don't know if this conversation is precisely on-topic/necessary right now | 20:34 |
| rm_work | where in the meeting were we? :P | 20:34 |
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| TrevorV | One thing to note, even when considering the REST api on the amphora, its still a pull model to gather info/details about the amphora, am I wrong? | 20:35 |
| ptoohill | the api client will make the request to gather that data, so yes, its still a 'pull' model | 20:35 |
| xgerman | TrevorV the plan is to write an gent which has a REST API and some way to push stars | 20:36 |
| xgerman | stars=stats | 20:36 |
| xgerman | but they can be two pices | 20:36 |
| ptoohill | unless its planned to do something else :P | 20:36 |
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| xgerman | ptoohill the stats argument was to defeat the assertion we can use stock ubuntu/don't need to install anything | 20:37 |
| rm_work | well, depends on what is push and what is pull | 20:37 |
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| rm_work | and yeah, we still need to deploy SOME agent on the amphora | 20:37 |
| rm_work | but it can be much more minimal; | 20:37 |
| bedis | actually it depends who does it :) | 20:37 |
| rm_work | and it could be *deployed* via SSH, making updates much easier | 20:37 |
| xgerman | and that ties into how operators run their world - if it's golden images; or configured at ruuntime | 20:38 |
| rm_work | true | 20:38 |
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| xgerman | (and I know my security people running an ssh system will only fly with waivers) | 20:39 |
| rm_work | well | 20:39 |
| xgerman | and heavy app armor | 20:39 |
| rm_work | ask your security people how much more comfortable they are with a custom REST-based solution you wrote | 20:39 |
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| TrevorV | xgerman I don't remember us every automatically pushing stats from the amphora. I knew of the heartbeat, but that's the only thing I remember as a communication out from the amphora without a request being made | 20:40 |
| rm_work | seems there is much more likleihood of that being insecure than SSH being insecure | 20:40 |
| TrevorV | ever automatically*** | 20:40 |
| rm_work | hence: <rm_work>2) SSH is as provably secure as anything can be | 20:40 |
| ptoohill | Not sure what were argining anymore, but sounds like we should keep/use both ssh and rest to satisfy everyones needs | 20:41 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:41 |
| ptoohill | and do a push/pull model and make it configurable ;) | 20:41 |
| TrevorV | That's a given, but now I'm confused about the priorities of the amphora. | 20:41 |
| xgerman | TrevorV: http://octavia.io/review/master/design/version0.5/component-design.html scroll down to "Some notes on Controller <-> Amphorae communication" | 20:42 |
| xgerman | yeah, priorities are confusing | 20:42 |
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| xgerman | I think that horse is glue | 20:43 |
| xgerman | #topic Open Discussion | 20:43 |
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| * dougwig used to eat paste as a kid. | 20:44 | |
| bedis | dougwig.rb !!!! | 20:44 |
| rm_work | "And the following would happen over TCP: * haproxy / tls certificate configuration changes" | 20:45 |
| rm_work | that is not aphora->controller | 20:45 |
| rm_work | that's the other way around | 20:45 |
| rm_work | so no, it wouldn't have anything to do with a REST API controller-side | 20:45 |
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| rm_work | the only things I see listed in that section that are relevant are things that would be handled by barclaac's heartbeat code, or by the controller->amphora SSH connection driver | 20:45 |
| xgerman | yep, I just pointed that out since TrevorV didn't recall pushing stats amphora -> Controller | 20:47 |
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| xgerman | but both ssh and REST are covered by the spec | 20:47 |
| xgerman | so as ptoohill said different operators have different needs | 20:47 |
| xgerman | ... | 20:48 |
| rm_work | OH yeah I see, the bullets got messed up | 20:48 |
| * ptoohill Likes goldfishes | 20:48 | |
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| rm_work | this stuff is really not well worded | 20:49 |
| rm_work | T_T | 20:49 |
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| xgerman | agreed | 20:50 |
| rm_work | TrevorV pointed out what I had forgotten -- I think a lot of this stuff is supposed to be sent over *as part of* the heartbeats from barclaac's daemon | 20:50 |
| rm_work | over UDP | 20:50 |
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| rm_work | at least, specifically, “edge” alert notifications (change in status) from the amphora to the controller | 20:51 |
| rm_work | which i assume means "member node UP/DOWN notifications", since haproxy is tracking those | 20:51 |
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| rm_work | and that's how I assume we'd be notified | 20:51 |
| TrevorV | Which makes his code much more intimately connected to the API driver or SSH driver or whatever to get those "agents" set up appropriately. | 20:51 |
| xgerman | yeah, that's what we use the health manager for | 20:51 |
| xgerman | (recieving those upodates) | 20:52 |
| xgerman | TrevorV +1 | 20:52 |
| TrevorV | rm_work brought up that the base image will have the agent that sends those UDP connections defined. | 20:52 |
| rm_work | the health-manager listens for UDP messages? | 20:53 |
| TrevorV | UDP informations*** | 20:53 |
| rm_work | I guess that makes sense, but i hadn't seen that code yet | 20:53 |
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| xgerman | no, driver does; health manager has logic to persist it into DB | 20:53 |
| rm_work | ah | 20:53 |
| rm_work | which driver does? | 20:53 |
| rm_work | the Amphora Driver? | 20:53 |
| xgerman | amphora_driver | 20:53 |
| rm_work | if so, that'd be shared code between both the REST driver and the SSH driver | 20:53 |
| xgerman | yep | 20:53 |
| xgerman | they will be pretty similar the REST server doesn't do muh but some with open to move files and subprocess to start/stop things | 20:55 |
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| rm_work | yeah I'd hope the listening on UDP part would be above the SSH/REST layer | 20:55 |
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| xgerman | rm_work, will be an extra thread... | 20:55 |
| rm_work | ah right | 20:55 |
| rm_work | so it's not really part of the Amphora Driver, it seems | 20:56 |
| rm_work | at least, as we have it | 20:56 |
| xgerman | it is | 20:56 |
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| rm_work | because the amphora_driver is a specification for an interface to talk TO the amphora | 20:56 |
| rm_work | and is not a thread | 20:56 |
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| rm_work | it's just code that is run when there are updates to be sent | 20:56 |
| xgerman | + it also fires up a thread to lisetn for the stats | 20:56 |
| rm_work | there needs to be a different class like amphora_listener to actually have an open socket for that, i'd imagine | 20:57 |
| rm_work | err | 20:57 |
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| rm_work | except it fires up a thread when? | 20:57 |
| rm_work | not per-update | 20:57 |
| rm_work | it doesn't really make sense for a class that is instantiated/used as a result of queue actions | 20:57 |
| xgerman | no, I think we will amend the spec so you cna say start_thread() | 20:57 |
| rm_work | to spin up a long-term listening thread | 20:57 |
| xgerman | since that thread needs to run as part of the health_manager BUT NOT the deploy worker | 20:58 |
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| rm_work | I mean, technically that would work, but it seems like a bad design decision to just shove it in with the rest of the outbound amphora communication stuff | 20:58 |
| rm_work | since that thread and the rest of the amp driver will never share any code or call each other | 20:58 |
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| xgerman | well, I would hate to need TWO drivers to talk with Amphoras | 20:58 |
| rm_work | it'll only be calling health-manager persistence methods | 20:58 |
| rm_work | err, no | 20:59 |
| rm_work | you'd need one class that is responsible for opening a socket and acting as a long-term listener | 20:59 |
| xgerman | ok, got it two classes; one driver | 20:59 |
| rm_work | and one class that is part of a lib that is run for on-queue-action updates | 20:59 |
| rm_work | well, it also kind of makes sense to split it out, since it's not relevant whether the driver is SSH or REST | 20:59 |
| johnsom | Yeah, the point of having it in the driver was for non-amphora deployments. | 20:59 |
| rm_work | unless it lives at a layer ABOVE that part | 21:00 |
| rm_work | so if it lives in the Amphora Driver code, we need to have an extra layer | 21:00 |
| rm_work | because we don't want to be duplicating that code between the SSH and REST implementations | 21:00 |
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| rm_work | that should be easy enough to figure out though, since hopefully that makes sense? | 21:00 |
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| xgerman | yep, we also can share the code which makes haproxy.cfg files | 21:01 |
| rm_work | yeah probably | 21:01 |
| xgerman | anyhow, time's out | 21:01 |
| xgerman | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 11 21:01:50 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-03-11-20.00.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-03-11-20.00.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-03-11-20.00.log.html | 21:01 |
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