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| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 20 16:00:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:00 |
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| jecarey | o/ | 16:00 |
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| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for jd__, dims, bnemec, flaper87, dhellmann, viktors, rpodolyaka, zzzeek, sileht, kgiusti, dansmith | 16:00 |
| ihrachyshka | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for redrobot, jungleboyj, zhiyan, therve, amotoki, GheRivero, bknudson, ihrachyshka, jogo, dougwig, sreshetnyak, amrith | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | yo yo yo | 16:00 |
| amrith | ./ | 16:00 |
| bnemec | o/ | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i'm your pilot for today, the other copilots are on vacation or something | 16:00 |
| dansmith | Oj | 16:00 |
| sileht | o/ | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | o? | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Oslo | 16:01 |
| ihrachyshka | harlowja_at_home, single pilot... scary | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | ihrachyshka, if i hit a mountain, sorry | 16:01 |
| ihrachyshka | lol | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | the exits are forward, and they may be behind u, so check for your local exit | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | alright let's see here | 16:02 |
| amrith | place a mask over your mouth and nose befor helping others. | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Review action items from previous meeting | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from previous meeting (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:03 | |
| harlowja_at_home | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-04-13-16.00.txt | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | who's been naughty and who's been nice, let's see | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | looks like most of the action items go to dhellmann who's not even around | 16:03 |
| ihrachyshka | harlowja_at_home, you should be our all-time chairman. a good laugh won't hurt on Monday. | 16:04 |
| bknudson | did you bring your baton to canada? | 16:04 |
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| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, i got it ready to go | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | but i didn't get to canada last week | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | maybe this week :-/ | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | ihrachyshka, thx, the pilot joke was all original harlowja_at_home material :) | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, if i start walking from CA -> canada i might make it this week right? | 16:05 |
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| harlowja_at_home | *california | 16:05 |
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| ihrachyshka | harlowja_at_home, no way, there is a border where you'll spend a week | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | hmmm, guess i'm screwed then | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | release oslo.db master (and oslo.policy stable/kilo ) for dhellmann i think happened though, anyone know about that one? | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | pretty sure copilot dhellmann did that | 16:06 |
| bknudson | google maps says 13 days to walk from san francisco. | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, crap | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | #action harlowja_at_home bring baton to canada via smuggling donkeys | 16:07 |
| jd__ | o/ | 16:07 |
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| harlowja_at_home | jd__, sup | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | there smuggling donkeys will get it there in time for the summit | 16:08 |
| jd__ | wesh gro | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | something like https://tinyurl.com/mzldn85 should do it | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ok next topic! since i guess those action item(s) are hard to discern at the curren time | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Wow, that just happened. | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:10 |
| ihrachyshka | red flags? | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:10 | |
| harlowja_at_home | yup | 16:10 |
| ihrachyshka | comrades, I have a huge red oslo.policy flag, so let's start the revolution: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061783.html | 16:10 |
| ihrachyshka | I need moar public api | 16:10 |
| bknudson | none for keystone... stable/ branches are broken so I don't know how it's been working for oslo. | 16:10 |
| ihrachyshka | I -> neutron | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | hmmm, reading (gives few seconds for others to look at) | 16:11 |
| ihrachyshka | that's a long read | 16:11 |
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| jungleboyj | No red flags from Cinder. | 16:11 |
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| bknudson | anyone can propose changes to oslo.policy. | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | ihrachyshka, agreed, so whats the general gist of that email :) | 16:11 |
| ihrachyshka | but basically, neutron made a mistake in adding a coll new feature to its policy machinery, and now we need some symbols from oslo.policy to continue providing the feature | 16:11 |
| * harlowja_at_home didn't expect such a long read (wholly moley) | 16:11 | |
| ihrachyshka | *cool | 16:12 |
| bknudson | cool features can go right into oslo.policy | 16:12 |
| ihrachyshka | like AndCheck, RoleCheck, RuleCheck | 16:12 |
| ihrachyshka | nah, the feature cannot | 16:12 |
| bknudson | then everyone can use them. | 16:12 |
| ihrachyshka | since it's not in line with oslo.policy design, and would break other consumers | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | what was the original reason for hiding them (if anyone knows?) | 16:12 |
| ihrachyshka | and why is also covered by that email | 16:12 |
| ihrachyshka | stevemar, | 16:13 |
| bknudson | it's easier to make things public than to go from public -> private. | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | fair enough, so seems like something that can be tweaked pretty easily i would assume | 16:13 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, ++ | 16:13 |
| ihrachyshka | bknudson, right, but neutron was ok with doing feature work in oslo.policy, and we originally thought it will just take time but is doable. now we don't | 16:13 |
| ihrachyshka | harlowja_at_home, if oslo.policy team is ok with making stuff public, then yes, a matter of several lines + unit tests | 16:14 |
| ihrachyshka | if not, neutron is in bad position to implement its own policy machinery in parallel to what oslo.policy provides | 16:14 |
| bknudson | I don't think there's any reason it needs to be kept private... I think it was just made private initially since it's easier to make public. | 16:14 |
| ihrachyshka | from neutron side, it's obvious what we would choose, but oslo team can have its valid reasons not to be kind | 16:14 |
| stevemar | bknudson, yep, that was why | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'd hope we can avoid the recreation of things ihrachyshka if we can :) | 16:15 |
| morganfainberg | ihrachyshka, how much is your policy machinery used? what cases does it solve that oslo.policy doesn't provide? | 16:15 |
| ihrachyshka | bknudson, we asked to make those public before, and was rejected | 16:15 |
| morganfainberg | if it is a generic case maybe it *should* be moved into oslo.policy now. | 16:15 |
| bknudson | ihrachyshka: do you have a note that says it can't be public? | 16:15 |
| bknudson | or a review? | 16:15 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, it was on the review to make them public | 16:15 |
| morganfainberg | i remember the "we shouldn't make it public" coment | 16:15 |
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| ihrachyshka | morganfainberg, have you read the email? I think there are some answers (compatibility concern), but maybe they are not valid, some comments are appreciated | 16:16 |
| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163163/ | 16:16 |
| morganfainberg | ihrachyshka, which email. recent or older one? | 16:16 |
| bknudson | I -1d it since I didn't think the documentation was adequate. | 16:16 |
| morganfainberg | ihrachyshka, have a ton of emails to sift through. | 16:16 |
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| ihrachyshka | bknudson, that was discussed around https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159525/ | 16:16 |
| ihrachyshka | see prev patchsets | 16:16 |
| ihrachyshka | morganfainberg, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061783.html | 16:17 |
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| ihrachyshka | I know that's a huge one to choke, sorry guys, I owe you my life | 16:17 |
| morganfainberg | hold on i need to reboot my router... | 16:17 |
| bknudson | it was dhellmann who said he thought it didn't need a change... | 16:17 |
| morganfainberg | be back in a few. 1000-2000ms ping is making the internet unusable | 16:17 |
| bknudson | "Registering options at runtime should work fine. Did you try that and see a failure? Maybe something else is wrong?" -- and no answer | 16:17 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so maybe dhellmann (when he gets back) should get poked with stick about that one? | 16:18 |
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| ihrachyshka | bknudson, register probably works, not sure the patch is relevant here | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | *not literally a stick | 16:18 |
| ihrachyshka | harlowja_at_home, that's possible. I guess I won't be there to poke though since I leave to vac too next week | 16:18 |
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| ihrachyshka | harlowja_at_home, a stick and a kind word is always better than a kind word only! | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | #action harlowja_at_home poke dhellmann with stick about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163163/ | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | i poke him if i can remember :) | 16:19 |
| ihrachyshka | thanks man | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | ihrachyshka, that sounds like a wise word/saying, i agree, lol | 16:19 |
| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163163/ doesn't seem relevant to the discussion... | 16:19 |
| ihrachyshka | I know that's something requiring time to digest, so let's give people time to read it and move forward :) | 16:19 |
| bknudson | was there another review I was supposed to be looking at? | 16:19 |
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| ihrachyshka | bknudson, check https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159525/ | 16:20 |
| ihrachyshka | there are comments from Ian asking not to publicize those symbols | 16:20 |
| stevemar | we could try registering new options at run time, and if that fails we could publicize them | 16:21 |
| bknudson | but it's merged. | 16:21 |
| bknudson | so I don't think this is about registering options, but new special checks. | 16:21 |
| ihrachyshka | bknudson, it's merged in without those symbols originally asked to become public. so those now public are still not enough | 16:21 |
| ihrachyshka | see first patchsets before Ian's comment | 16:21 |
| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159525/ is already merged. | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | so it seems like we just need to have some kind of agreement on public/not for those, maybe something that can be shout out on the ML? maybe in response to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/061783.html ? | 16:21 |
| ihrachyshka | harlowja_at_home, no need to shout, just use _ convention (as oslo.policy already does) | 16:22 |
| bknudson | I think a review is required that shows what changes are needed. | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | seems fair | 16:22 |
| ihrachyshka | bknudson, ok, I will post one tomorrow | 16:22 |
| bknudson | thanks! | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Releases for this week | 16:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases for this week (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:23 | |
| harlowja_at_home | so this one i'll just touch on, sdague are u around, u might have more context about what should or shouldn't be releasing (if anything) | 16:23 |
| bknudson | I'm not a fan of projects registering their own special checks since it makes using policy more difficult than it should be. | 16:23 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/the-big-thaw is something i saw recently | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | but i'm not sure how / if any oslo libraries are so much affected by that | 16:24 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anyone planning any releases might just want to consult with the powers that be ( sdague ) and others just to make sure | 16:25 |
| sdague | harlowja_at_home: they are impacted, we need new releases of all of them with updated requirements :) | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | well thats an impact for sure then :) | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | sdague, is that just for stable releases ? | 16:26 |
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| sdague | harlowja_at_home: no, master | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | guess we'll learn about this as it progresses, so just something to be aware of folks :) | 16:28 |
| sdague | dhellmann is aware of what's needed, but I don't think ttx and I realized he would be out today | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | sdague, np | 16:29 |
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| harlowja_at_home | dims is out also ( not on the same vacation as dhellmann afaik) but hopefully they can help soon | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | * if they are on the same vacation thats cool to, lol | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Ongoing work & Review priorities | 16:30 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so anyone need any special review attention (besides the ones already mentioned?) | 16:31 |
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| harlowja_at_home | also make sure to checkout https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo-specs,n,z | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | so that people can talk about them at the summit | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo-specs,n,z | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | *summit not that far away actually (woah) | 16:32 |
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| harlowja_at_home | thought on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142659/ would be interseting, since I know alot of projects use/depend on that | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | alright, going once one any other reviews :) | 16:35 |
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| harlowja_at_home | twiceeeeee | 16:35 |
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| harlowja_at_home | sold to jd__ who now has to review everyones code | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | congrats jd__ u are the winner | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:36 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anything else for people to discuss (or we can get 20 minutes of fun time back) | 16:36 |
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| jungleboyj | *crickets* | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | the crickets want to talk | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | oh goodie | 16:38 |
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| jd__ | what what what did I win? | 16:38 |
| jd__ | I shouldn't be AFK | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | u won | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | it all | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | all the things! | 16:39 |
| * jungleboyj has to go get his son from school anway. Later. :-) | 16:39 | |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | lata | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | ok, short meeting today, have 20 minutes back to do some reviews and make some code better and such :) | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | and jd__ collect your prize later | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:40 |
| jd__ | fair enough | 16:40 |
| stevemar | yay for 20 minutes back :\ | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:40 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 20 16:40:24 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-04-20-16.00.html | 16:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-04-20-16.00.txt | 16:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-04-20-16.00.log.html | 16:40 |
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| reed | anybody here for the community software services meeting? | 17:00 |
| dizquierdo | I'm around reed | 17:01 |
| mrmartin | o/ | 17:01 |
| reed | #startmeeting community | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 20 17:01:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is reed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: community)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'community' | 17:01 |
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| reed | so let's start with a pat on the back :) | 17:01 |
| reed | #info Q1 2015 community activity report is out | 17:02 |
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| reed | #info thank you Daniel for the hard work | 17:02 |
| mrmartin | where? | 17:02 |
| dizquierdo | #info thank you Stefano for the hard work :) | 17:02 |
| dizquierdo | this is under the activity_board repo | 17:03 |
| reed | #link http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/openstack-breaks-a-new-record-for-active-contributors | 17:03 |
| reed | lots of interesting facts and data | 17:03 |
| mrmartin | oh ok, I saw that | 17:03 |
| dizquierdo | feedback is more than welcome | 17:03 |
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| dizquierdo | tips to improve, new numbers of interest for you, etc | 17:04 |
| reed | I have on my todo list to reach out to johnthetubaguy to talk about Nova's time to merge and get his feedback :) | 17:04 |
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| dizquierdo | great | 17:04 |
| reed | and mikal too | 17:04 |
| dizquierdo | that would be awesome to have feedback from devs | 17:04 |
| reed | yep | 17:04 |
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| reed | so, moving on the next topic | 17:05 |
| reed | did we have any previous action item agreed? | 17:05 |
| reed | I don't think so, right? | 17:05 |
| dizquierdo | reed, you mean as next topic for this meeting? | 17:05 |
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| reed | dizquierdo, yes | 17:06 |
| reed | It hink we can move to the next topic safely | 17:06 |
| mrmartin | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Community/MeetingAgenda | 17:06 |
| dizquierdo | reed, we're updated the puppet recipes, that could be one | 17:06 |
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| reed | #topic Askbot upgrade path | 17:06 |
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| reed | mrmartin, what's the status? | 17:07 |
| mrmartin | ok, for askbot I made the initial staging-askbot infra patch | 17:07 |
| reed | #info mrmartin made the initial staging-askbot infra patch | 17:07 |
| mrmartin | this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172880/ | 17:07 |
| mrmartin | and we're a littlebit stucked with this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171066/ | 17:08 |
| reed | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172880/ | 17:08 |
| mrmartin | so let's join and vote down: Joshua's -1 :) | 17:08 |
| reed | mrmartin, what's the problem with 171066? | 17:08 |
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| mrmartin | We got a -1, because Joshua not agrees with pinning the askbot theme to actual stable release | 17:09 |
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| mrmartin | but expect this, it is ok. | 17:09 |
| reed | mrmartin, are the two patches dependent on each other? | 17:09 |
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| mrmartin | no | 17:09 |
| reed | ok | 17:09 |
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| reed | so let's do one thing at the time | 17:09 |
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| reed | johnthetubaguy, I'll email you, it's not time sensitive | 17:10 |
| mrmartin | this theme patch is required to keep the ask.o.o's theme stable, so Evgeny can start do commit theme changes | 17:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | reed: perfect | 17:10 |
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| reed | #info patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171066/ is required to keep the ask.o.o's theme stable, so Evgeny can start do commit theme changes | 17:10 |
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| mrmartin | reed: the staging patch contains the environment, expect the askbot deployment, I'm working on that, because we need to consume github repo here as we discussed before. | 17:11 |
| reed | #action reed to comment on 171066 and ask for quick solution | 17:11 |
| mrmartin | I'll try to push 172880 tomorrow on infra meeting | 17:11 |
| reed | #action mrmartin to push 172880 tomorrow on infra meeting | 17:12 |
| reed | indeed, mrmartin, things need to accelerate | 17:12 |
| mrmartin | and we have a small issue with the ask.o.o puppet and the vamsee-solr repo | 17:12 |
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| mrmartin | this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171600/ | 17:12 |
| mrmartin | it's a bit complex story, but finally, I need to contrib back to vamsee-solr to give a permanent solution | 17:13 |
| mrmartin | I made a pull request: https://github.com/vamsee/puppet-solr/pull/22 | 17:13 |
| reed | #info hit a small issue with the ask.o.o puppet and the vamsee-solr repo, mrmartin working on a fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171600/ | 17:13 |
| reed | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171600/ | 17:14 |
| mrmartin | so when it gets an approval, I can close the 171600 | 17:14 |
| reed | #link https://github.com/vamsee/puppet-solr/pull/22 | 17:14 |
| reed | gotcha | 17:14 |
| reed | thanks | 17:14 |
| mrmartin | and as I know, we successfully finalized this ask.o.o redis issue | 17:14 |
| reed | so to be clear, for the upgrade you only need 171066 to merge? | 17:14 |
| reed | mrmartin, yes, the redis issue seems to be solved | 17:15 |
| mrmartin | so if the 171066 merged, we'll get a clean staging-askbot environment with database and puppet, so if it is very urgent | 17:15 |
| mrmartin | we can start to deploy askbot github manually (just the code) | 17:15 |
| reed | cool | 17:15 |
| mrmartin | until the auto-deployment arrives | 17:16 |
| mrmartin | for auto-deployment I'm working on a similar little middleware that we are using for groups portal and openstackid | 17:16 |
| reed | #info once 171066 merged, we'll get a clean staging-askbot environment with database and puppet, so if it is very urgent we can start to deploy askbot github manually (just the code) until the auto-deployment arrives | 17:16 |
| reed | #info for auto-deployment mrmartin is working on a similar little middleware that we are using for groups portal and openstackid | 17:16 |
| reed | gotcha, thanks | 17:17 |
| mrmartin | anyway, do we have any urgent ask.o.o production issue? | 17:17 |
| reed | ok, that's great | 17:17 |
| reed | mrmartin, nothing urgent, but there are a lot of small bugs that I'd like to address asap, so getting the staging done is urgent | 17:17 |
| mrmartin | ok. | 17:17 |
| reed | next topic? | 17:18 |
| reed | #topic Infratization of Activity Board | 17:18 |
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| reed | dizquierdo, what's the current status here? | 17:18 |
| dizquierdo | reed, mrmartin we've been working on migrating the previous puppet recipes | 17:19 |
| dizquierdo | to a more openstack-focus | 17:19 |
| dizquierdo | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Community/MeetingAgenda | 17:19 |
| dizquierdo | but I'd say that we need some help here | 17:19 |
| dizquierdo | those are the recipes to install all of the tools | 17:19 |
| reed | I'd like to start from this spec: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/activity-infratization-spec | 17:19 |
| mrmartin | allright, I'm here, ping me during working hours | 17:19 |
| dizquierdo | ah ok mrmartin :), thanks | 17:19 |
| reed | is that ready to submit to infra? IIRC that was the first thing to complete, right? | 17:20 |
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| dizquierdo | reed, I'd like mrmartin to check that in first place | 17:20 |
| mrmartin | it is in much better form | 17:20 |
| dizquierdo | if he does not mind doing this | 17:20 |
| mrmartin | so I'll review that tomorrow | 17:20 |
| mrmartin | if nothing urgent comes in | 17:20 |
| reed | #info mrmartin to review https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/activity-infratization-spec | 17:20 |
| reed | #undo | 17:21 |
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| reed | #action mrmartin to review https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/activity-infratization-spec | 17:21 |
| dizquierdo | thanks a lot mrmartin, dpose and I should be around, and we can improve those | 17:21 |
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| reed | mrmartin, it doesn't have to be perfect, just good enough to be submitted for review on infra-specs without being laughed at | 17:21 |
| reed | :) | 17:21 |
| dizquierdo | and the following step would be to add another recipe to install Automator, the tool to run all of the tools | 17:22 |
| mrmartin | yes I know, they will break it apart | 17:22 |
| dizquierdo | that's my concern, not to annoy a lot infra team :S | 17:22 |
| mrmartin | the infra team will throw us into a deep well, but we will climb back | 17:22 |
| dizquierdo | :) | 17:22 |
| reed | it can be a WIP for a while, too | 17:22 |
| dizquierdo | yep | 17:23 |
| reed | ok | 17:23 |
| mrmartin | yeah, we need to make it a priority effort somehow | 17:23 |
| reed | any other action items? | 17:23 |
| mrmartin | but it will take time | 17:23 |
| dizquierdo | not regarding to puppetization | 17:23 |
| mrmartin | ok, I have some groups portal thingy | 17:23 |
| reed | mrmartin, I'll take care of the priority settings for activity board infratization, no worries about that | 17:23 |
| reed | let's get the spec ready asap: not urgent but it's important | 17:24 |
| mrmartin | so we had a security update on a drupal module again | 17:24 |
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| reed | mrmartin, are you changing topic? | 17:24 |
| mrmartin | #topic groups portal | 17:25 |
| mrmartin | can I? | 17:25 |
| reed | are we finished with activity board? | 17:25 |
| reed | dizquierdo, anything else to be aware? | 17:25 |
| reed | I have one more question on this: are you guys working on the 'traditional' release report? | 17:25 |
| dizquierdo | yep reed, that's all | 17:25 |
| dizquierdo | reed, you mean the report about orgs working on the OpenStack projects? | 17:25 |
| mrmartin | sorry :) | 17:25 |
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| reed | dizquierdo, right, what Bitergia usually produces for your blog | 17:26 |
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| reed | and we relay extensively from our side :) | 17:26 |
| dizquierdo | I'd like to have a release about that for sure | 17:26 |
| dizquierdo | yep | 17:26 |
| dizquierdo | :) | 17:26 |
| dizquierdo | reed, | 17:26 |
| reed | dizquierdo, cool, let me know about the timing so we coordinate | 17:26 |
| dizquierdo | the deadline is on the 30th right? | 17:26 |
| dizquierdo | sure, I'll let you know | 17:27 |
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| reed | dizquierdo, that's the week of the release as of today | 17:27 |
| dizquierdo | according to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Releases | 17:27 |
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| dizquierdo | reed, I reword the question, when should that blog post be ready? | 17:28 |
| reed | oh, I don't know | 17:29 |
| reed | I guess it'sup to you | 17:29 |
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| dizquierdo | hehe, ok, I'll use the 30th that seems to be the official release | 17:29 |
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| reed | cool | 17:30 |
| dizquierdo | :) | 17:30 |
| reed | dizquierdo, can you help me pull the list of contributors? | 17:30 |
| dizquierdo | reed, sure | 17:31 |
| reed | cool | 17:31 |
| reed | #action reed and dizquierdo to coordinate offline to pull the list of contributors to Kilo | 17:31 |
| reed | ok | 17:31 |
| reed | next topic | 17:31 |
| reed | #topic groups portal status | 17:31 |
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| mrmartin | ok | 17:31 |
| mrmartin | so | 17:31 |
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| mrmartin | we had a module sec update, and the release is rolled out | 17:32 |
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| mrmartin | and I made this csv contact export for the marketing team, so now they can start to prepare the Bday party | 17:32 |
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| reed | #info a couple of security updates were rolled out to the groups portal | 17:32 |
| reed | #info mrmartin created a csv export of contacts for the marketing team | 17:32 |
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| mrmartin | we don't have a GUI report there, but the goal had been reached, so anyone with a proper admin right can do the export | 17:33 |
| reed | mrmartin, re the bday party, we need to make more people register to the portal as administrators of the groups | 17:33 |
| mrmartin | yes, that was the exact problem the came up | 17:33 |
| reed | the process currently is: | 17:33 |
| reed | - administrator logs in | 17:33 |
| reed | - click on "join us" to become a member of the group | 17:33 |
| mrmartin | and somebody need to approve | 17:34 |
| reed | - Send an email to *someone with high rights* and ask to be promoted to administrator of the group | 17:34 |
| reed | can we make this process easier? | 17:34 |
| reed | like a button saying 'Are you the administator? DO THIS" | 17:35 |
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| mrmartin | the question here, how can you identify who is a group admin? | 17:35 |
| reed | with DO THIS something like click a button and a process starts automatically | 17:35 |
| mrmartin | what you think about creating tokens | 17:35 |
| reed | like we do now, with email checks | 17:35 |
| mrmartin | and sending those tokens for every organizer who not registered yet | 17:35 |
| reed | ah, I see ... | 17:35 |
| reed | looks complicated | 17:36 |
| mrmartin | and when he clicks on the link embedded on his email, drupal automagically do the process | 17:36 |
| mrmartin | ? | 17:36 |
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| reed | we are sending an email requesting people to do something | 17:36 |
| mrmartin | the problem here, that he *must* login | 17:36 |
| reed | exactly, so let's keep it simple | 17:36 |
| mrmartin | and a new user must be created first with his openstackid token | 17:36 |
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| mrmartin | that's the initial step we cannot skip | 17:36 |
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| reed | we are contacting group admins and we're going to sponsor their party if they complete the signup steps on the portal | 17:37 |
| reed | the first step is easy: sign up on the portal | 17:37 |
| mrmartin | this token / email thing is not complicated | 17:37 |
| mrmartin | and I can redirect them to the login form | 17:37 |
| reed | it is, forget about the token | 17:37 |
| reed | I think it would just be simple enough to have a button for admin on the groups home page | 17:38 |
| mrmartin | ok, but how can you identify the group admin? | 17:38 |
| mrmartin | by email address? | 17:38 |
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| mrmartin | you can do it only, when he used the same email address for his openstack.org profile registration | 17:39 |
| reed | email address, yes, it's fine | 17:39 |
| mrmartin | we were working a lot with Tom to cleanup the original json file, but I'm still not sure it is 100% perfect | 17:39 |
| reed | the token would have the same issue, right? you send it to one email address | 17:39 |
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| mrmartin | yes, but we are sending to an email address enlisted in groups.json | 17:40 |
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| mrmartin | but, we could check how much those accounts exists in openstack.org profile db | 17:40 |
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| mrmartin | if I make a list from those guys, can Sebastian or somebody else whether those emails are matching for real-life profiles? | 17:41 |
| reed | the marketing team is sending an invite to the emails in the CSV | 17:41 |
| mrmartin | if yes, it is easier to match the group organizers | 17:41 |
| mrmartin | and I can write a little code that automatically joins this guy based on email address to his own group on first login | 17:41 |
| reed | why do you think we need so much security? we never did this before | 17:41 |
| mrmartin | it is not security | 17:42 |
| reed | oh, I think I see what you mean now | 17:42 |
| mrmartin | it is about they are using the same email address that we have in groups.json, and he registered as an o.o profile | 17:42 |
| reed | you want to make sure that the email in the json file has a correspondent id on o.o | 17:42 |
| reed | gotcha, that makes sense | 17:42 |
| mrmartin | yeah it can be a problem, if this two email is not matching | 17:42 |
| mrmartin | if we have a matching email address, we can do a lot of actions at groups side | 17:43 |
| mrmartin | and even I can ease the registration process | 17:43 |
| reed | ok, so next order of business is to talk to Tom about this and have him check | 17:43 |
| mrmartin | so he don't need to join to the group and promoted by someone to be an organizer | 17:43 |
| reed | we have the .csv list of emails, sebastian may be able to check how many of those are *not* on openstackid | 17:43 |
| mrmartin | so if have an around 90% match, that's great | 17:43 |
| reed | mrmartin, let's write a quick summary | 17:44 |
| mrmartin | if you check the group status report, you can see, we have a process level of 63% | 17:44 |
| reed | #action reed to write a summary of this discussion and send it to community list | 17:44 |
| mrmartin | but Africa is totally missing | 17:44 |
| mrmartin | but a lot of work required for North America and Asia | 17:45 |
| mrmartin | I could move Cyprus back to EU now :) | 17:45 |
| reed | are those not very active groups? | 17:45 |
| reed | Cyprus should be Europe :) | 17:46 |
| mrmartin | yeah it can be an issue, with Erwan we tried to reach out all of the group leaders | 17:46 |
| mrmartin | but we still have some black-holes, so we need to work on this | 17:46 |
| reed | you can leave them there as placeholders until someone active shows up | 17:46 |
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| reed | that's why I wanted to have a button that says: "I would like to administrate this group" | 17:46 |
| mrmartin | yeah, I don't want to remove groups | 17:47 |
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| mrmartin | for example in Czech Republic, I see that they are doing meetups, just guy was not answering, maybe our emails lost in a spam filter or something | 17:47 |
| reed | click on the button, Tom gets an email and a conversation starts | 17:47 |
| reed | ok, let's move the chat to the email | 17:47 |
| mrmartin | so we can't automate that, it is an administration task that is manual | 17:48 |
| mrmartin | but | 17:48 |
| mrmartin | what I'm working on, but still not landed in dev, this is the email notification / messaging | 17:48 |
| mrmartin | so Drupal have this privatemsg module, and on my dev environment I can send messages between users and roles | 17:48 |
| mrmartin | and can send message to anyone | 17:49 |
| mrmartin | it have only a single bug with matching of user names | 17:49 |
| mrmartin | and the UX is a bit messed up in the actual theme | 17:49 |
| mrmartin | so if I solve this issue, we have a properly working messaging system there | 17:49 |
| reed | sounds good | 17:49 |
| mrmartin | the Commons solved that with a custom module, that not fits our model | 17:50 |
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| mrmartin | because it requires an approval before accepting messages (they call it trusted messages) | 17:50 |
| reed | spam | 17:50 |
| reed | alright, sounds like we have plenty of work to do :) | 17:50 |
| mrmartin | yeah exactly, but I'm not afraid of spam, because we have openstackid, and everybody linked to an o.o profile | 17:50 |
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| mrmartin | and I want to remove this manual recipient selection | 17:51 |
| mrmartin | so I like to put a "send me a message" link to the profile page of a user | 17:51 |
| mrmartin | and implement the "send a message to group members" | 17:51 |
| mrmartin | and the "send message to organizers" use cases. | 17:51 |
| reed | cool | 17:52 |
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| mrmartin | if you check meetup.com, the messaging there is very sofisticated, I don't like to implement that in the first round, but this three basic use case can work. | 17:52 |
| reed | mrmartin, can you please document these use cases, have an estimate of work required | 17:52 |
| reed | ? | 17:52 |
| mrmartin | on meetup.com you can even select specific user list to accept messages, or send messages to active members. | 17:52 |
| mrmartin | yes, I'll write an etherpad for that | 17:53 |
| reed | thanks | 17:53 |
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| reed | ok anything else? | 17:53 |
| mrmartin | commons messaging was not implemented this and I pulled out my hair until I find out how they rewrite to core messaging modules :) | 17:53 |
| reed | #action mrmartin to document use cases for inter-portal communication | 17:53 |
| mrmartin | so that's the reason that I don't have long blonde hair | 17:54 |
| mrmartin | ok | 17:54 |
| reed | arrgh | 17:54 |
| mrmartin | so that's all | 17:54 |
| mrmartin | sorry :) | 17:54 |
| reed | cool, thanks | 17:54 |
| reed | #endmeeting | 17:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 20 17:54:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/community/2015/community.2015-04-20-17.01.html | 17:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/community/2015/community.2015-04-20-17.01.txt | 17:54 |
| mrmartin | thanks | 17:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/community/2015/community.2015-04-20-17.01.log.html | 17:54 |
| dizquierdo | thanks | 17:54 |
| reed | thanks everybody | 17:54 |
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| davidlenwell | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 20 19:00:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is davidlenwell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
| catherineD | o/ | 19:00 |
| davidlenwell | Today's agenda: 1) Recap last week agreements 2) Use case for signed request 3) Refstack Wiki update 4) Refstack UI status and review 5) pending review 6) open discussion | 19:00 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 19:00 |
| pvaneck | o/ | 19:01 |
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| catherineD | Last week we agreed to update refstack-client to SHA 7c8fcc67. | 19:02 |
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| davidlenwell | #topic 1) Recap last week agreements | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "1) Recap last week agreements (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:02 | |
| sslypushenko__ | o/ | 19:02 |
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| catherineD | Last week we agreed to update refstack-client to SHA 7c8fcc67. ... sslypushenko__: had submitted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173090/ which had been merged. | 19:03 |
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| davidlenwell | awesome | 19:03 |
| vladiskuz|2 | o/ | 19:03 |
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| davidlenwell | any other agreements? | 19:05 |
| catherineD | We also discussed where to host Refstack server | 19:05 |
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| catherineD | From last week's meeting, Rocky will contact infra team for a heads up that Refstack team investigating the possibility to push a patch to host Refstack server at infra. | 19:05 |
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| davidlenwell | I can follow up on that | 19:06 |
| catherineD | great so we will revisit this topic next week? | 19:07 |
| davidlenwell | sure | 19:07 |
| sslypushenko__ | Sounds good! | 19:08 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. anything else? | 19:08 |
| catherineD | also last week we deferred "design session planning" to this week ... but I still do not see any entry | 19:08 |
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| catherineD | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=134&v=_zgbXbnuRNM | 19:08 |
| catherineD | sorry wrong one | 19:08 |
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| davidlenwell | catherineD's youtube debute | 19:09 |
| catherineD | wrong link :-) | 19:09 |
| catherineD | I meant to get the eitherpad link | 19:09 |
| hogepodge | I don't know anything about wrong links. :-D | 19:09 |
| pvaneck | lol | 19:10 |
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| catherineD | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-qa-vancouver-design-session | 19:10 |
| davidlenwell | As much as I'd like to take up time on the schedule durring the summit for refstack.. we haven't had the cycles to prepair .. | 19:11 |
| davidlenwell | I'd like us to be discussing the ui | 19:11 |
| sslypushenko__ | +1 | 19:12 |
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| davidlenwell | since we aren't prepped to talk about it now.. we must defer | 19:13 |
| catherineD | ok | 19:13 |
| davidlenwell | lets move on.. | 19:13 |
| catherineD | that is all from last week | 19:13 |
| davidlenwell | #topic 2) Use case for signed request | 19:13 |
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| davidlenwell | I thought we discussed this last week? | 19:14 |
| pvaneck | last wednesday | 19:14 |
| davidlenwell | are there any outstanding questions about the reasoning behind this change? | 19:14 |
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| catherineD | For those who did not attend last week Wed IRC meeting sslypushenko__: has very nice document at | 19:15 |
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| catherineD | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1v7exKKL1zSA102Xu8FkY1u9rMVUE6BjwUCoWGYYvbaI/edit#slide=id.g3005a843b_0_11 | 19:15 |
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| sslypushenko__ | I started discussion about this document in openstack-infra. If anybody has some ideas, you can shared it there | 19:16 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: may I request you to add the data upload workflow in #link https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1y76mYyFl-iOqH4OQYT27Xcyh9QSPatXkuSag4zdHr5w/edit to the above link so we have all in on doc .. | 19:16 |
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| sslypushenko__ | catherineD I think that upload is not a specific case, but I can add it here | 19:17 |
| davidlenwell | I don't think this is still an outstanding issue.. lets move on for now | 19:18 |
| davidlenwell | #topic 4) Refstack UI status and review | 19:18 |
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| catherineD | davidlenwell: ok ... I can talk with sslypushenko__: on #refstack later .. | 19:18 |
| davidlenwell | this topic is going to be more time consuming I believe | 19:18 |
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| sslypushenko__ | catherineD agreed | 19:19 |
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| davidlenwell | pvaneck: can you walk us through your status on the ui prototype? | 19:19 |
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| pvaneck | sure | 19:19 |
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| pvaneck | currently I have a results page that essentially just has a paginated table, showing the list of results | 19:20 |
| pvaneck | CPID, Upload Date, Test ID | 19:20 |
| pvaneck | Can filter by cpid | 19:20 |
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| pvaneck | clicking on the test id will lead to a test output page | 19:21 |
| davidlenwell | awesome! | 19:21 |
| pvaneck | the API needs the CORS patch in order for the UI to be able to retrieve data from the api | 19:21 |
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| davidlenwell | I'm reviewing that now | 19:21 |
| sslypushenko__ | Sounds great! | 19:21 |
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| pvaneck | the patch is currently under review with sslypushenko__ already +2ing it | 19:22 |
| sslypushenko__ | It is LGTM, davidlenwell or catherineD can merge it | 19:23 |
| davidlenwell | okay | 19:23 |
| davidlenwell | I was still looking at it when the meeting started | 19:23 |
| davidlenwell | when we're done I'll merge if its right | 19:23 |
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| pvaneck | so just to clarify, it is fine to show the cpid in the list of all submitted test results? | 19:24 |
| catherineD | so once pvaneck: pushes the next patch ... The refstack server UI is ready (without auth) | 19:24 |
| davidlenwell | auth should be a high priority now that we have the basic framework in place | 19:25 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: the reason for not showing the cpid is because we want the data to be anomymous ? | 19:25 |
| davidlenwell | and we need to revisit the ux for assosiating users with vendors | 19:26 |
| sslypushenko__ | pvaneck It is a good question about cpid. May be we shouldn't display cpid as shared data? | 19:26 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: exactly ... | 19:26 |
| catherineD | cpod should only show with auth ... | 19:26 |
| sslypushenko__ | I think that for now it is ok. But we should think about it | 19:26 |
| catherineD | so do we agree to show or not to show the cpid? | 19:27 |
| davidlenwell | with no auth.. don't show it | 19:27 |
| sslypushenko__ | It is reasonable... +! | 19:27 |
| davidlenwell | once we werk out a registration flow and vendor assosiation we can revisit that | 19:27 |
| sslypushenko__ | +1 | 19:27 |
| catherineD | #agreed do not show cpid without auth | 19:28 |
| pvaneck | okay | 19:28 |
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| catherineD | #agreed David to follow up with infra team on the possibility for Refstack server hosting at infra | 19:29 |
| davidlenwell | I'd like to plan a ui design session with our group.. either at the summit or sometime face to face in the bay area | 19:29 |
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| catherineD | davidlenwell: +1 | 19:29 |
| davidlenwell | more of us will be at the summit.. | 19:29 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko__: vladiskuz|2: we will have voice and video this time ... | 19:30 |
| sslypushenko__ | catherineD Thx! | 19:30 |
| catherineD | davidlenwell: not sure how the facility is at the summit ... | 19:30 |
| vladiskuz|2 | catherineD: great! | 19:30 |
| davidlenwell | akanda has an air bnb two blocks from the venue we can use if need be | 19:31 |
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| catherineD | ha that is the company name ... Rocky asked .. | 19:32 |
| catherineD | davidlenwell: +1 | 19:32 |
| davidlenwell | it was all over twitter last week.. I think she follows me | 19:32 |
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| catherineD | davidlenwell: if we are done on this topic ... we should revisit #3 ... | 19:33 |
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| davidlenwell | #agreed we will find a time to set aside at the summit to discuss the api in better detail. | 19:33 |
| davidlenwell | sure.. | 19:34 |
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| davidlenwell | #topic revisit signed use case | 19:34 |
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| catherineD | Wiki update | 19:35 |
| davidlenwell | ahh .. sorry I did skip one didn't I | 19:35 |
| davidlenwell | #topic wiki update | 19:35 |
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| davidlenwell | our wiki is embarassingly out of date | 19:35 |
| davidlenwell | I think our first measure should be to remove all current wiki pages and replace them with our current readme text | 19:36 |
| catherineD | our Wiki is very out-of-date and need update | 19:36 |
| davidlenwell | thoughts? | 19:36 |
| catherineD | davidlenwell: +1 at least update to current readme | 19:37 |
| sslypushenko__ | agreed | 19:37 |
| catherineD | who can do that? Any special credential to update Wiki? | 19:37 |
| davidlenwell | the current readme is the most updated piece of text we have on the project and our progress | 19:37 |
| davidlenwell | anyone whos of the foundation can | 19:37 |
| davidlenwell | a foundation member | 19:37 |
| davidlenwell | not employee | 19:37 |
| davidlenwell | so any of us who are contributers can update it | 19:38 |
| catherineD | ic | 19:38 |
| davidlenwell | I can do it if nobody else has time | 19:38 |
| davidlenwell | I have a few cycles for refstack this week.. and this is important .. | 19:39 |
| catherineD | davidlenwell: I take the you will do it :-) ... I have never done wiki update before ... | 19:39 |
| catherineD | especially now we also have the workflow that sslypushenko__: has document ... | 19:39 |
| catherineD | documented | 19:40 |
| davidlenwell | I'll take care of it | 19:40 |
| sslypushenko__ | If it is necessary I can redraw it in proper format | 19:40 |
| catherineD | #agreed David will update the refstack wiki | 19:40 |
| davidlenwell | sslypushenko__: I can export | 19:40 |
| catherineD | davidlenwell: thx | 19:40 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: thx for redraw if needed .. | 19:41 |
| sslypushenko__ | Please mail me, if needed | 19:41 |
| davidlenwell | okay .. I think that covers that topic for now . | 19:42 |
| davidlenwell | #topic 5) pending review | 19:42 |
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| catherineD | we are doing good ... only 2 outstanding patches ... | 19:43 |
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| catherineD | davidlenwell: you are reviewing pvaneck: 's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/174951/ ? | 19:43 |
| davidlenwell | yes | 19:44 |
| catherineD | I think we should review sslypushenko__: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161315/ | 19:45 |
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| catherineD | since the latest DefCore test schema will include UUID .. | 19:45 |
| catherineD | I should say the schema patch is submitted by hogepodge: and is under reviewed .. | 19:46 |
| sslypushenko__ | I think we can review it because idempotent_id works for qa team, and they don't want change them | 19:46 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: ++1 | 19:46 |
| davidlenwell | works for me | 19:47 |
| catherineD | me too .. | 19:47 |
| catherineD | so we will review that patch ... | 19:48 |
| davidlenwell | okay.. lets change to open discussion | 19:49 |
| hogepodge | I'd like to get the qa team to see the value of accepting your patch sslypushenko__ | 19:49 |
| hogepodge | It may be a longer discussion though. | 19:49 |
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| sslypushenko__ | hogepodge Thx | 19:49 |
| davidlenwell | #topic 6) open discussion | 19:49 |
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| hogepodge | #link qa discussion topics, open until the 30th | 19:50 |
| hogepodge | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-qa-summit-topics | 19:50 |
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| catherineD | so next Refstack IRC meeting is the last chance for us to discuss any topic we want to submit to qa discussion topics... | 19:53 |
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| hogepodge | Has anyone contacted infra about refstack hosting? | 19:54 |
| hogepodge | That was on the agenda last week. | 19:54 |
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| davidlenwell | rocky was supposed to follow up on that .. however since she is not here.. I am going to check in with them this week | 19:55 |
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| davidlenwell | covered that earlier | 19:56 |
| davidlenwell | any other topics to discuss? we are running short on time. | 19:56 |
| davidlenwell | okay.. lets move it on out of here.. we can chat in #refstack if anything else comes up .. | 19:57 |
| davidlenwell | #endmeeting | 19:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 20 19:57:50 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-04-20-19.00.html | 19:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-04-20-19.00.txt | 19:57 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 20 20:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
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| arunkant | o/ | 20:01 |
| elmiko | hiyo/ | 20:01 |
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| dave-mccowan | \o/ | 20:01 |
| igueths | Hola. | 20:01 |
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| jaosorior | Yo | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | #topic Action Items | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-04-13-19.59.html | 20:03 |
| redrobot | Many thanks to elmiko for getting the Juno->Kilo migration working | 20:03 |
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| woodster_ | o/ | 20:04 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 20:04 |
| redrobot | on to my action items | 20:04 |
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| woodster_ | elmiko, agreed! | 20:04 |
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| chellygel | o/ | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | I did not get a chance to look into why Castellan failed to upload, but I did manually upload 0.1.0 | 20:04 |
| jvrbanac | o/ | 20:04 |
| redrobot | so you can "pip install castellan" now | 20:04 |
| elmiko | huzzah! | 20:05 |
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| tkelsey | +1 | 20:05 |
| tkelsey | good stuff | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | next time we make a Castellan release, I'll be sure to go poke at infra to make sure the auto-upload works | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #link https://pypi.python.org/pypi/castellan | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | Also, I emailed the dev list earlier today to ask about minor changes in the API | 20:06 |
| redrobot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/062021.html | 20:06 |
| redrobot | looks like there were some replies since then | 20:06 |
| redrobot | so take a look, and chime in if you'd like | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | and lastly, I did not get a chance to talk to Greg | 20:07 |
| redrobot | so | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to talk to Greg Swift about DB being used in Fedora | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | on to the agenda for today | 20:08 |
| redrobot | which as usual can be found here: | 20:08 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:08 |
| redrobot | #topic Kilo RC1 | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | #link https://launchpad.net/barbican/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 20:09 |
| redrobot | Kilo RC1 was released this morning, which means that the master branch is now tracking the Liberty release | 20:09 |
| redrobot | also, we have a stable/kilo branch now for bugfixes etc | 20:10 |
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| redrobot | any questions/comments about RC1 ? | 20:11 |
| chellygel | you mentioned there being an RC2 possibly | 20:11 |
| chellygel | is that still happening? redrobot ? | 20:11 |
| redrobot | chellygel I don't know yet. There's another agenda item to talk about a possible bug. If we think we need to fix it for Kilo, then we may need an RC2 | 20:12 |
| chellygel | coo | 20:12 |
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| arunkant | redrobot, so for barbican specs, is there a liberty folder defined? I need to move audit spec from kilo. | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | arunkant good question, as it leads to the next topic | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | #topic What approved or drafting blueprints do we want to bring over to Liberty? | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | arunkant there is no Liberty directory yet. usually the first blueprint proposed for the new cycle creates the new directory | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | afaik, you can't check in an empty directory in git | 20:15 |
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| arunkant | okay. makes sense. Will create one if not there at the time of my checkin | 20:16 |
| redrobot | woodster_ did you have any particular blueprints in mind for this topic? | 20:16 |
| woodster_ | redrobot, it was more for folks to air out ones that don't want to bring over really. | 20:17 |
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| woodster_ | redrobot: I'll bring over the TLS ones I put in there. tsv will hopefully bring over the quota one :) | 20:17 |
| woodster_ | redrobot, we probably want to bring over the version resource bp as well | 20:18 |
| redrobot | I figured if people still want to work on a proposed spec, they can submit a CR to move it from kilo->liberty | 20:19 |
| redrobot | I also need to go back and clean up stuff so we can clearly tell which blueprints were not implemented in kilo | 20:19 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to clean up the barbican-specs repo | 20:19 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot, i have two blueprints (gate-bandit and smoke-test-rsa) that have been implemented and merged into Kilo, but are still marked "New". I think i skipped a step. | 20:20 |
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| woodster_ | redrobot, you have the #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/active-secret-store spec | 20:20 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan usually the CR should include the spec it implements in the commit message | 20:20 |
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| woodster_ | alee, you have the #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/expose-ca-enrollment-templates one out there | 20:21 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan I can fix it in launchpad for the blueprints you worked on. | 20:21 |
| redrobot | woodster_ I don't think alee made it to this meeting. | 20:21 |
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| arunkant | woodster_, the quote specs which was approved/merged in kilo. As its not implemented, so is it going to be added in Libery specs folder? Is that correct understanding. | 20:22 |
| woodster_ | redrobot: what? so much for perfect attendance for him | 20:22 |
| tkelsey | dave-mccowan: did you say there was a bandit gate implemented? | 20:22 |
| woodster_ | arunkant: I was hoping tsv would do that as part of continuing to work on that feature | 20:22 |
| redrobot | arunkant yes, I'll move those over as part of the spec cleanup | 20:23 |
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| dave-mccowan | tkelsey yes, as experimental. "check experimental" in gerrit. or "tox -e bandit" locally. | 20:23 |
| redrobot | woodster_ I haven't seen tsv in weeks. He may not be available to work on that blueprint | 20:23 |
| tkelsey | dave-mccowan: oh awesome :D I didnt know that (probably should have lol) | 20:24 |
| woodster_ | redrobot, sadness :\ | 20:24 |
| arunkant | woodster_, I am just trying to understand the process around this. Especially the spec is already merged to master. | 20:24 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan tkelsey I don't think adding a gate to the experimental pipeline would count as completing a blueprint? | 20:24 |
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| woodster_ | arunkant, the CR would need to move the spec rst file from the kilo folder to the liberty one | 20:25 |
| woodster_ | redrobot, the LP blueprint would also need to be revised to point to Liberty, correct? | 20:25 |
| redrobot | not necessarily | 20:26 |
| tkelsey | redrobot: I haven't seen the spec, I must have missed it, but i would think it would need to move out of experimental, thoughts dave-mccowan | 20:26 |
| tkelsey | sorry, blueprint | 20:26 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot, to promote to 'check' requires a change to project-infra, not barbican. either way. i wanted to wait until Liberty before messing with the gate. | 20:26 |
| redrobot | I don't assign LP blueprints to a release until they are implemented. | 20:26 |
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| redrobot | dave-mccowan it seems the experimental gate is working correctly now? I think we'll want to move it to the real pipelines soon, but leave it as non-voting. | 20:28 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot +1 i'll do that. | 20:29 |
| tkelsey | dave-mccowan: +1 good stuff | 20:30 |
| redrobot | arunkant since the barbican-spec repo is published to specs.openstack.org I think it would be best if it accurately represents the blueprints that get completed for each cycle | 20:30 |
| redrobot | arunkant so, I'll probably send some CRs to the repo to move stuff around that landed but did not get implemented | 20:30 |
| redrobot | arunkant I'll have to check other spec repos to see what they're doing. | 20:31 |
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| redrobot | any more questions/comments about Liberty blueprints? | 20:31 |
| arunkant | redrobot, yes I was also thinking about http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/barbican-specs/ .. thanks for clarification | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:33 |
| redrobot | #topic Stored-key RBAC | 20:33 |
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| redrobot | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/barbican/+bug/1446266 | 20:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1446266 in Barbican "RBAC needs to be checked for stored-key orders" [Undecided,New] | 20:33 |
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| redrobot | Currently you can submit an Order for a certificate using a stored-key. Barbican will use the key to create a CSR and submit to generate a Certificate | 20:35 |
| redrobot | the problem is that no RBAC checks are being done on the stored key | 20:35 |
| redrobot | so it's possible for someone to request a Certificate using a key for which they do not have access | 20:36 |
| redrobot | as dave-mccowan pointed out, the certificate would not be of much use, since you'd still need to be able to retrieve the key to use it | 20:36 |
| alee | redrobot, right - this is soemthing we needed to wait until the acl stuff was in, to fix. | 20:37 |
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| alee | redrobot, because you could potentially have access to the key through the acl mechanism | 20:37 |
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| redrobot | right, so the question is, do we need to address this for Kilo? | 20:37 |
| dave-mccowan | alee, redrobot, now the acl stuff is in, but there is no API to call rbac_enforce() except for the base API call. | 20:38 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, understood -- its not a trivial problem to solve. | 20:39 |
| woodster_ | it doesn't leak the stored private key, but it does leak a certificate generated from it (that is also useless to use) | 20:39 |
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| alee | redrobot, woodster_ yeah - it seems like this can be pushed to Liberty | 20:40 |
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| woodster_ | well, all other non-GET REST calls use the original project/roles based access. So if the stored key can't be retrieved via project ID, or if that retrieved key has an ACL list, it can be rejected. | 20:40 |
| woodster_ | alee, agreed! | 20:40 |
| alee | redrobot, I'd check with reaperhulk though to make sure we're not missing anything pernicious. | 20:41 |
| woodster_ | but it woudl be good to note it in the documentation somehow. In general, it would be nice to mark things as experimental, but that dicussion can wait until the summit | 20:41 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ I don't really like the idea of shipping "experimental" software... | 20:43 |
| dave-mccowan | alee, even without RBAC, is there some project-id based validation that should be done? | 20:43 |
| arunkant | woodster_, looks like currently new order checks that order project and container project are same. And needed roles are admin or creator. So will there be case where created cert would not be accessible? | 20:43 |
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| arunkant | woodster_, may be in the case where ACL is marked private. | 20:44 |
| arunkant | s/ACL/container | 20:44 |
| woodster_ | arunkant, this concern is that the private key used to gen that cert is not accessible by the user that created the cert | 20:44 |
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| woodster_ | redrobot, well then our definition of what is 'done done' for a release probably needs to change then :) We probably need to say releasable when all functional tests and docs are in place too. | 20:45 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, are those checs currently being done in any case? | 20:45 |
| alee | checks .. | 20:46 |
| woodster_ | redrobot, I'd still like to consider a feature flag approach that allows deployers to optional turn on/off features, esp. new ones. | 20:46 |
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| alee | dave-mccowan, iirc, the db queries that are being used went in before acl changes | 20:46 |
| alee | which means they are implicitly selecting for project ownership | 20:47 |
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| alee | you have to explicitly use the non-project-constrained queries | 20:47 |
| dave-mccowan | in validators, the only container check for a stored-key certificate order is if the container is found. it would be nice if there was a functional test for this. | 20:48 |
| alee | woodster_, +1 on the feature flag approach. | 20:48 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, right -- but what query is being used? | 20:48 |
| woodster_ | redrobot, I think feature flag and experimental are good things for the summit. But for this bug, it seems we are ok with saying it is fixed in Liberty then? | 20:49 |
| redrobot | yes, I think we're ok without backporting this fix to kilo | 20:49 |
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| dave-mccowan | alee #link https://github.com/openstack/barbican/blob/master/barbican/common/validators.py#L101 it used project_Id. | 20:50 |
| alee | dave-mccowan, right - that query is implicitly selecting only those for which the project_id = external_project_id | 20:51 |
| alee | so the old mechanisms still apply | 20:51 |
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| arunkant | alee, as I said earlier..so the only issue is when container is marked private (does not want other users from same project to access it).. | 20:52 |
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| woodster_ | yes, the POST orders is using the old project-ID/roles mechanism, so only stored keys available that way would be allowed | 20:52 |
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| woodster_ | ...of course we could have a private/per-user POST orders call in Liberty....just sayin' | 20:52 |
| alee | arunkant, or if you do have access via acl , but you cannot use them in this way | 20:53 |
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| redrobot | almost out of time here | 20:54 |
| arunkant | alee, yes. if client is among acl users. But order logic can be changed easily to use rbac | 20:54 |
| redrobot | but it seems we're all in agreement to fix this for Liberty, and ship Kilo as is | 20:54 |
| redrobot | one last thing before we all go | 20:54 |
| redrobot | #topic Liberty Design Summit | 20:54 |
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| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-L-design-sessions | 20:55 |
| redrobot | please take some time to vote for topics | 20:55 |
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| redrobot | We've got 2 fishbowl sessions, and we'll need to figure out what topics to cover during that time. | 20:55 |
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| woodster_ | redrobot, some folks have voted in this etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-L-design-sessions | 20:56 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ right, which is why I was asking for more votes. :) | 20:56 |
| woodster_ | oh sorry, I'm multitasking poorly | 20:57 |
| redrobot | no worries | 20:57 |
| redrobot | ok guys, thanks for coming! | 20:57 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:58 |
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