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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 7 15:00:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| u_glide1 | Hello | 15:00 |
| Zhongjun | hi | 15:00 |
| markstur | hello | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | Hello | 15:00 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | lpabon: ping | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | only 1 agenda item today | 15:01 |
| bswartz | I need to wrap up the schedule for the design summit | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | #topic Liberty design summit finalization | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty design summit finalization (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
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| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-liberty-proposed-sessions | 15:01 |
| lpabon | hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | so it was easy to choose the 3 fishbowl sessions | 15:02 |
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| ganso | hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | however we have lots of other topics that may or may not work as working sessions | 15:02 |
| bswartz | all of the topics are important, but I only want to schedule topics if presenters will be ready | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | lpabon: your name was next to 2 things | 15:03 |
| lpabon | bswartz: ok | 15:03 |
| bswartz | Service Image, and snapshot/share relationships | 15:03 |
| bswartz | did you plan on presenting both of those topics? | 15:03 |
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| lpabon | bswartz: i plan on leading the discussions on both... but I do not have anything to present, it is more of a community discussion | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | lpabon: do you at least have proposals you would like to see implemented? | 15:04 |
| lpabon | i would like to see what the group wants to do with each topic and organize any tasks that come out of it | 15:04 |
| lpabon | bswartz: The only one is the service image.. I'm not sure how much implementation it requires, but we can discuss it | 15:05 |
| lpabon | bswartz: does that make sense? | 15:05 |
| bswartz | I'm thinking that some of the working sessions can be combined, allowing us to move some topics into the planned agenda | 15:05 |
| lpabon | or maybe I'm not really answering your question | 15:05 |
| bswartz | lpabon: yes | 15:05 |
| bswartz | I'll get with you after this meeting about your available timeslots | 15:06 |
| lpabon | np | 15:06 |
| bswartz | need to make sure I'm not creating any conflicts | 15:06 |
| bswartz | I wanted to propose combining Versioned Objects and API versioning, since they're similar topics | 15:06 |
| bswartz | weiting: any objections to that? | 15:06 |
| bswartz | oh weiting might not be here... | 15:07 |
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| weiting | bswartz, I am still working on this | 15:07 |
| bswartz | xyang1: your name is next to thin provisioning | 15:07 |
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| weiting | bswartz, I think it is ok to combine it. | 15:07 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: I can talk about it | 15:08 |
| bswartz | xyang1: I also wondered if you had an interest in leading a discussion on consistency groups | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | xyang1: I know you'll have some conflicts with the cinder agenda | 15:08 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: Sure, I am interested | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | so I need to be careful about scheduling those | 15:08 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: Yes, we need to look at the schedule | 15:08 |
| weiting | bswartz: to combine it, does it mean to talk it in the same working session? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | Zhongjun: you wanted to propose QoS, but you won't be in vancouver, correct? | 15:09 |
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| Zhongjun | Yes | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | weiting: we might schedule both topics for the same session, in case a single topic doesn't require the full 40 minutes | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | Zhongjun: is there anyone who will be there who could present a QoS proposal? | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | if not, we might have to leave it off the agenda and just do the design reviews online after vancouver | 15:11 |
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| Zhongjun | Sorry, I am not find somebody. | 15:11 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:12 |
| bswartz | so if you look at the etherpad now, I'm proposing the following combined working sessions (with the second topic being a backup topic) | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | Thin Provisioning (xyang) / Consistency Groups (xyang) | 15:13 |
| bswartz | Versioned Objects (weiting) / API versioning (cknight) | 15:13 |
| bswartz | Fault Indication (ameade) | 15:13 |
| bswartz | Snapshot/Share relationship (lpabon) / Service Image (lpabon) | 15:13 |
| bswartz | fitting sessions into slots is still TBD | 15:13 |
| ganso | bswartz: who is going to present Data Replication? your name is next to it | 15:14 |
| bswartz | toabctl: will you be in vancouver? | 15:14 |
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| toabctl | bswartz: yes | 15:14 |
| bswartz | ganso: I'll make a proposal but cknight will lead the session in my absense | 15:14 |
| ganso | bswartz: ok | 15:15 |
| bswartz | toabctl: are you interested in leading the service image discussion? | 15:15 |
| bswartz | toabctl: you could go-lead it with lpabon if you're both interested | 15:15 |
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| lpabon | i welcome it :-) | 15:15 |
| bswartz | I've personally done a bunch of working trying to build a manila service image with buildroot -- I wasn't able to complete it though | 15:15 |
| toabctl | bswartz: I can co-lead but I'm currently not working on it due to time limitations.. | 15:16 |
| bswartz | csaba has done the same | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | yes.... time limitations are a problem | 15:16 |
| toabctl | bswartz: I started using buildroot as well but give up after some short time. | 15:16 |
| lpabon | i'm going to try to create a summary on where we stand by the meeting time | 15:16 |
| bswartz | I got pretty far with buildroot but ran into trouble with NFS4 compatibility | 15:16 |
| lpabon | on service image | 15:16 |
| bswartz | buildroot out of the box is NFS3 only | 15:17 |
| bswartz | at least it was 6 months ago | 15:17 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:17 |
| toabctl | bswartz: do you have your config in some repository? | 15:17 |
| bswartz | toabctl: not a public place | 15:18 |
| toabctl | ok | 15:18 |
| bswartz | toabctl: I could get approval to contribute it if we decide to go down that path though | 15:18 |
| bswartz | so I'm going to go with the proposed sessions as they are in the etherpad | 15:19 |
| bswartz | I'll find a way to schedule them that minimizes conflicts | 15:19 |
| bswartz | if you're a presenter I'll ping you about your availability after the meeting | 15:19 |
| bswartz | any questions about design summit agenda? | 15:20 |
| lpabon | i'm good | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:20 | |
| bswartz | any other topics for today? | 15:20 |
| bswartz | okay, looks like like we're done | 15:20 |
| bswartz | thanks everyone | 15:21 |
| weiting | bswartz, thanks. | 15:21 |
| lpabon | bye all | 15:21 |
| cknight | Bye | 15:21 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: trove)" | 15:21 | |
| weiting | bye | 15:21 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 7 15:21:21 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-05-07-15.00.html | 15:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-05-07-15.00.txt | 15:21 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-05-07-15.00.log.html | 15:21 |
| toabctl | bye | 15:21 |
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| kozhukalov | hey, shall we start? | 16:00 |
| kozhukalov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 7 16:01:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov | #chair kozhukalov | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: kozhukalov | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov | agenda as usual | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:01 |
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| kozhukalov | who is here? | 16:01 |
| angdraug | hi | 16:01 |
| mwhahaha | hola | 16:01 |
| prmtl | hi | 16:01 |
| sambork | Hi | 16:01 |
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| kozhukalov | 5 people | 16:02 |
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| kozhukalov | not so much | 16:02 |
| mihgen | hi | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov | ok let's start first topic | 16:02 |
| ikalnitsky | o/ | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov | #topic GRE MTU patch status (aglarendil, xenolog - please provide status) | 16:02 |
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| kozhukalov | aglarendil: around? | 16:03 |
| kozhukalov | xenolog: ? | 16:03 |
| aglarendil | We are running a bunch of tests right now. | 16:03 |
| mihgen | did we manage to merge a fix which is mtu - 42 bytes? | 16:04 |
| aglarendil | Day before yesterday we applied a partial fix that broke GRE deployments and it is being rewritten | 16:04 |
| daniel3_ | o/ | 16:04 |
| kozhukalov | aglarendil: you mean 3.10 kernel? | 16:04 |
| aglarendil | mihgen: it was broken, so we reassigned it back to MOS-neutron team to change it | 16:04 |
| aglarendil | kozhukalov: nope | 16:04 |
| mihgen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180510/ | 16:05 |
| mihgen | this is revert | 16:05 |
| mihgen | so what's the current plan here? | 16:05 |
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| aglarendil | rewrite partial fix and finish testing to figure out whether we need performance adjustments | 16:06 |
| aglarendil | partial fix is being rewritten right now | 16:06 |
| xarses | do we have a new review? | 16:07 |
| aglarendil | xarses: AFAIK, not yet | 16:07 |
| aglarendil | but it should not be hard | 16:07 |
| xarses | ok | 16:07 |
| mihgen | xarses: can you please provide what you do? | 16:07 |
| mihgen | in this area | 16:07 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: do we have anyone working on the fix now? | 16:08 |
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| aglarendil | mihgen: Sergey Kolekonov from MOS Neutron team | 16:08 |
| mihgen | as xarses is actually run around and *might* be able to help too | 16:08 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: ok. | 16:08 |
| xarses | we merged a similar review, lets make sure we don't create conflicts | 16:08 |
| xarses | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179267/ | 16:08 |
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| aglarendil | xarses: they are not conflicting actually, so no need to worry | 16:09 |
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| xarses | sounds good | 16:09 |
| mihgen | ok then good, yeah | 16:09 |
| kozhukalov | moving on? | 16:09 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: yep | 16:09 |
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| kozhukalov | #topic repos connectivity checks (xarses, ikalnitsky, dpyzhov, mkwiek - where are we with this?) | 16:09 |
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| ikalnitsky | hi guys | 16:10 |
| ikalnitsky | today we had meeting about repo connectivity checks and how it should be implemented | 16:10 |
| ikalnitsky | we have decided to not introduce hacks and workarounds and try to implement this via network checker | 16:11 |
| mihgen | ikalnitsky: ok, sounds good. What exactly net-checker will do? | 16:11 |
| kozhukalov | how hard is it going to be to implement? | 16:12 |
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| ikalnitsky | 1. it will check connectivity to the repo through default gateway (which may be master node or some other, if we change defaults in fuelmenu) | 16:12 |
| ikalnitsky | 2. it will then setup new default gateway (public network) and perhaps in separate network namespace and check connectivity via public network | 16:13 |
| mihgen | wait a sec, default gw for bootstrap nodes is always master node admin net IP | 16:13 |
| ikalnitsky | not always | 16:13 |
| ikalnitsky | we can change it via fuelmenu | 16:13 |
| mihgen | I'm talking about 1). Why not always? | 16:13 |
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| ikalnitsky | if user have some router in admin network | 16:13 |
| mihgen | mattymo: what? ^^ | 16:13 |
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| xarses | no, its not always, i checked my deployment and they share the same gateway, but its not the fuelmaster its self | 16:14 |
| mihgen | I thought we can configure another iface in fuel-menu for outside world, and fuel master will use it as default gw | 16:14 |
| ikalnitsky | mihgen, in fuelmenu we can change default gateway for slaves.. i mean, it affect our cobbler/dnsmasq configuration during setuping master node | 16:14 |
| mihgen | interesting, why would we need it at all | 16:14 |
| mihgen | but anyway good that you cought it | 16:15 |
| ikalnitsky | mihgen, we use it in system tests, for example | 16:15 |
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| xarses | so how does this cover IBP's need to have the repo's verified? | 16:15 |
| xarses | how does this solve the need to check the repos after l23network is complete | 16:15 |
| mihgen | > perhaps in separate network namespace - why do we need this one? | 16:15 |
| ikalnitsky | so, that basically means that we need to check internet connectivity not only on slaves, but on master node itself | 16:15 |
| mattymo | mihgen, sorry I stepped away from my desk for a moment | 16:16 |
| mihgen | mattymo: no worries, resolved. | 16:16 |
| ikalnitsky | we need separate net namespace in order to be error-proof. what if something goes wrong and netcheck won't restore original default gateway? (one that was received via dhcp) | 16:16 |
| xarses | mihgen: we need to test in the namespace, because that's what we end up with from the vrouter on the controllers now | 16:16 |
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| xarses | mihgen: for example on vcenter, one of the network secuirty policies only breaks the internet traffic through the network namespace | 16:17 |
| mihgen | ikalnitsky: xarses: a) I thought that vrouters won't change anything; b) if smth goes wrong - we anyway communicate with master over admin net, we don't actually need gw setup for bootstraps | 16:17 |
| mihgen | xarses: ok, vcenter is interesting, yeah | 16:17 |
| mihgen | if we could catch that | 16:17 |
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| mihgen | all right, i'm convinced with namespace if it's not gonna be complicated | 16:18 |
| xarses | well any network could have issues like that. and we need to check it | 16:18 |
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| xarses | vcenter is a specific case that is easy to occur | 16:18 |
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| ikalnitsky | so.. we 1) should check repo connectivity on master node (the patch is on review by mkwiek) 2) check repo connectivity from slaves via both admin net and external net | 16:18 |
| mihgen | sounds reasonable folks, if it's almost no extra effort, please do net ns then.. | 16:18 |
| ikalnitsky | loles will help mkwiek to do that. rough eta is monday. | 16:19 |
| xarses | so, now we need to make this netchecker task manditory | 16:19 |
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| mihgen | xarses: not necessary. We show big warning in the UI now if user didn't run it | 16:19 |
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| mihgen | we can add info about repos in the warning | 16:19 |
| mihgen | ikalnitsky: thank you | 16:20 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, moving on | 16:20 |
| xarses | mihgen: that most people ignore | 16:20 |
| * mihgen looking forward to see great UX in repo checks | 16:20 | |
| mihgen | xarses: why would you ignore it? | 16:20 |
| mihgen | I'm not sure we need to make it mandatory | 16:20 |
| xarses | for repos, yes | 16:21 |
| mihgen | xarses: I'm actually fine to make it mandatory BUT if you can still continue via CLI for instance | 16:21 |
| xarses | it breaks the deployment in odd ways, and lots of people have run into the issue already because they dont have propper settings | 16:21 |
| mihgen | with --force | 16:21 |
| mihgen | what do you guys think here? | 16:21 |
| mwhahaha | why would you force it if we know that the repo access will fail? | 16:22 |
| mwhahaha | meaning it's going to fail a step down the line, right? | 16:22 |
| xarses | why would you want to continue if the repos are known to be bad? | 16:22 |
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| mwhahaha | this seems like a pre-flight check that must be OK before proceeding | 16:22 |
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| xarses | well that would be the user's choice, but we still need them to check it so they can make the choice | 16:23 |
| mwhahaha | and does it hurt to also add it to the pre/post tests for a deployment step if we know that it's soemthing that has to work | 16:23 |
| xarses | before continueing | 16:23 |
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| kozhukalov | by the way, looks like it would be also great to implement http proxy support | 16:23 |
| mihgen | net verifier is not yet known to be very stable for > 150 nodes | 16:23 |
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| xarses | so i guess im asking to force user to run check, green result is irrelevant at this point | 16:23 |
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| xarses | which is why I didn't want to implment this kind of check here | 16:24 |
| mihgen | this is the only thing I'm worried, so user should be still able to proceed | 16:24 |
| xarses | we can just check before provisioning on master node | 16:24 |
| xarses | and again after l23network | 16:24 |
| mihgen | xarses: then you'd fail deployment | 16:24 |
| mihgen | which is bad | 16:24 |
| xarses | in a describable way | 16:24 |
| mihgen | you won't be able to change configuration as we lock it | 16:25 |
| xarses | instead of apt failed tring to install a package using an IPv6 address | 16:25 |
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| xarses | well the config lock is a separate problem, which we need to stop doing | 16:25 |
| mihgen | xarses: we can't for now ;) | 16:25 |
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| mihgen | so it's chain of issues | 16:25 |
| mihgen | that's why it seems to be the easiest path is to go with net-checker extension | 16:26 |
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| mwhahaha | is there a reason not to do both? | 16:26 |
| mihgen | it has all things built-in, it has to be the easiest path to go with in my opinon | 16:26 |
| xarses | can we just call the verify repos seperatly of the rest of the net checker functions? | 16:26 |
| mihgen | mwhahaha: I don't see a reason why we would not add additional check in puppet layer | 16:26 |
| mihgen | where is Alex | 16:27 |
| mwhahaha | <- | 16:27 |
| xarses | mwhahaha: is alex | 16:27 |
| mihgen | ohh :) | 16:27 |
| mihgen | here you are ) yeah let's use your work of course as well | 16:27 |
| mwhahaha | ok | 16:27 |
| mihgen | so if user insists and continue deploy, we would at least fail with clear message! | 16:27 |
| mihgen | ok anything else here? | 16:28 |
| xarses | ok, I'd still like to see the repo check to be called separately of the rest of the netchecker functions so we could eventually put a button on the repos UI to validate at change | 16:28 |
| mihgen | xarses: agree, if this is possible | 16:29 |
| mihgen | we should plan for it in 7.0+ | 16:29 |
| mwhahaha | +1 to validating the settings in the ui | 16:29 |
| mihgen | I would add like a button near repo configs | 16:29 |
| kozhukalov | it must be possible (separate repo check). let's do it data driven | 16:29 |
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| kozhukalov | ok if there are no other q here, let's move on | 16:30 |
| kozhukalov | #topic proxy for create mirror / how to install everything without connectivity to repos (dpyzhov & other - where are we with this?) | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "proxy for create mirror / how to install everything without connectivity to repos (dpyzhov & other - where are we with this?) (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:30 | |
| mihgen | let's plan for it folks but keep in mind that we don't really have many resources now | 16:30 |
| mihgen | no heavy coding please at this point | 16:30 |
| mihgen | thanks for going extra mile with this... | 16:30 |
| mihgen | now proxy another thing which we completely missed in our design :( | 16:30 |
| xarses | can't we just copy the code we used in the ISO make here? | 16:31 |
| kozhukalov | yes, but it looks not so complicated to implement at least for ibp | 16:31 |
| kozhukalov | i mean proxy | 16:31 |
| angdraug | aglarendil mentioned in a meeting earlier today that we have an alternative script in fuel-web that does a full mirror over http | 16:31 |
| xarses | also, are we trying to create proxy, or local cache | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov | angdraug: link? | 16:32 |
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| angdraug | aglarendil: link? | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov | for the script | 16:32 |
| aglarendil | angdraug: fuel_package_updates directory in fuel-web repo | 16:32 |
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| angdraug | #link https://github.com/stackforge/fuel-web/tree/master/fuel_upgrade_system/fuel_package_updates | 16:33 |
| mihgen | can't we use system wide http proxy settings? | 16:33 |
| angdraug | the script uses urllib2, doesn't this library honor htto_proxy env variable by default? | 16:34 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: i'm not sure all our components are able to use proxy from env | 16:34 |
| kozhukalov | angdraug: not sure | 16:34 |
| kozhukalov | let's try | 16:34 |
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| xarses | mihgen: so are we tring to create a proxy, or a local 'mirror' because we seem to be talking about parts of both | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov | xarses: i think we need both options | 16:35 |
| angdraug | I think this agenda item is making sure that create mirror script works in an env where the only way to access internet is over an http proxy | 16:36 |
| angdraug | correct me if it's about something else | 16:36 |
| mihgen | actually, if there is any issue with external whatever net | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov | and what is wrong with this script fuel-createmirror-6.1-3.mira3.noarch.rpm? | 16:37 |
| mihgen | then we would be just fine getting all required repos on master node | 16:37 |
| mihgen | if we can get all required repos on master node by any means (including createmirror script), then we are fine | 16:38 |
| mihgen | we are even fine if we just write doc how to scp repos | 16:38 |
| mihgen | I think for 6.1 we would still need proxy support in createrepo | 16:39 |
| docaedo | +1 for solving the edge cases with a doc/how-to | 16:39 |
| mihgen | mattymo: but I'm worried that we have some other script for updates repo sync | 16:39 |
| mattymo | this tool syncs only updates repo | 16:39 |
| mihgen | we would need doc anyway, as people might want to provide their own hacks - we just need a guide where to place repos, what to update in repo config on the UI | 16:40 |
| angdraug | the problem with fuel-createmirror is that it uses rsync and won't work behind a proxy | 16:40 |
| mihgen | mattymo: two different tools for repo sync.. | 16:40 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: can't we use RSYNC_PROXY ? | 16:41 |
| mwhahaha | rsync can be done via proxy,it just uses a different env var RSYNC_PROXY | 16:41 |
| mattymo | mihgen, there was no collaboration between the two. one was needed sooner so QA could start using it | 16:41 |
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| mattymo | the other I wasn't even aware that it was ready | 16:41 |
| mattymo | I thought it slipped 6.1 release | 16:41 |
| kozhukalov | should we decide right now which script to use? | 16:42 |
| angdraug | I didn't know about RSYNC_PROXY, that simplifies the problem considerably | 16:42 |
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| mihgen | angdraug: dpyzhov: did we identify who can work on this.. ? | 16:42 |
| kozhukalov | angdraug: but the q still if squid for example (which is popular) supports RSYNC? | 16:43 |
| angdraug | no, RSYNC_PROXY works over an HTTP proxy | 16:43 |
| mihgen | and also, mattymo, angdraug, dpyzhov - Can you please sync and decide if we can merge scripts and use one single one? | 16:43 |
| angdraug | squid doesn't need to be aware of rsync | 16:43 |
| mattymo | mihgen, I have no idea about the source of fuel-createmirror. anyone knows? | 16:44 |
| mihgen | please think about UX as well. We might want to add even some welcome message like "use this script to sync your updates repo" | 16:44 |
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| mattymo | if one is shell and the other is python, I'm not sure if it's possible to get done in this short time frame to HCF | 16:44 |
| mihgen | mattymo: rvyalov can help you | 16:44 |
| mattymo | rvyalov, ? | 16:44 |
| kozhukalov | mattymo: source code is on vitaly parakhin github account (which is bad) | 16:44 |
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| kozhukalov | https://github.com/brain461/mirror-sync | 16:44 |
| mihgen | aglarendil: I thought you guys synced on these scripts a long time ago | 16:44 |
| rvyalov | yes, we move code to the stackforge | 16:44 |
| mattymo | kozhukalov, that means it's not even part of fuel yet... | 16:45 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov: it's wrong one | 16:45 |
| rvyalov | *we will move | 16:45 |
| rvyalov | before HCF | 16:45 |
| rvyalov | at the moment code palced in the review.fuel-infra gerrit | 16:45 |
| mihgen | #link https://review.fuel-infra.org/#/admin/projects/packages/centos6/fuel-createmirror | 16:45 |
| mihgen | this is the one, mattymo ^^ | 16:46 |
| rvyalov | yes, but as tar+spec | 16:46 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: yes, but there is only tarball not source code itself | 16:46 |
| kozhukalov | of course one can untar this and see the actual shell code | 16:46 |
| mihgen | source is in tar of course, osci team promised to make a change so we will be able to store sources in there | 16:47 |
| mihgen | it was initially designed for compiled linux code | 16:47 |
| rvyalov | yes, therefore we will move code to the fuel-web reposiotry (for example) | 16:47 |
| kozhukalov | but it is not our way of doing things when we want to review this | 16:47 |
| mihgen | I agree | 16:47 |
| angdraug | vitaly's script should be moved to fuel-web | 16:47 |
| kozhukalov | rvyalov: great | 16:47 |
| mattymo | it's 6 shell scripts and 2 python scripts | 16:48 |
| rvyalov | yes , and will be included to the nailgun packages (for ex) | 16:48 |
| angdraug | in this case shell is preferable to python since its more portable | 16:48 |
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| mattymo | angdraug, but python is more testable.... | 16:49 |
| angdraug | and we want operators to be able to run this script outside of fuel | 16:49 |
| kozhukalov | let' s put those 6 shell scripts in a separate directory | 16:49 |
| mihgen | ok folks, I didn't get confirmation, please sync mattymo, rvyalov, dpyzhov, aglarendil - and decide what we do with two scripts. Merge them together, keep separated, proxy question, and (important!) UX for using them | 16:49 |
| mattymo | angdraug, I wrote fuel-package-updates in shell and an overwhelming # of people insisted on python | 16:49 |
| mattymo | and so it was rewritten | 16:49 |
| mattymo | twice:) | 16:49 |
| mihgen | I don't know why it didn't become part of fuel client, but anyway ) | 16:50 |
| kozhukalov | #action mattymo rvyalov dpyzhov aglarendil sync with each other about create-mirror script | 16:50 |
| mattymo | mihgen, python team blocked it | 16:50 |
| mihgen | at least from UX perspective | 16:50 |
| mihgen | I would love everything to be tied to fuel client, it is gonna be easier | 16:50 |
| mihgen | than to remember two more linux tools | 16:50 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, let's move on | 16:51 |
| mihgen | ok folks please sync and let us know, let's move on | 16:51 |
| kozhukalov | #topic Some recent activities | 16:51 |
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| kozhukalov | guys please skim though the list in agenda | 16:51 |
| kozhukalov | and ask questions if you have | 16:52 |
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| kozhukalov | Calamari plugin spec is available for review | 16:52 |
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| kozhukalov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180895 | 16:52 |
| mihgen | let's review it, yeah | 16:53 |
| kozhukalov | please, those guys, who are experts in ceph, review this spec | 16:53 |
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| mihgen | kozhukalov: thanks for putting the status together in the etherpad | 16:53 |
| mihgen | I think we can just review and raise questions? | 16:53 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: you are welcome | 16:53 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: great | 16:54 |
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| kozhukalov | im still working on image build env cleanup | 16:54 |
| kozhukalov | and there are bunch of bugs which are volume manager realated | 16:54 |
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| kozhukalov | and maybe some of them we could address/workaround in 6.1 | 16:55 |
| mihgen | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1449186 | 16:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1449186 in Fuel for OpenStack "mcollective was unable to start after provisioning" [High,Incomplete] - Assigned to Vladimir Kozhukalov (kozhukalov) | 16:55 |
| kozhukalov | but i didn't have chance to go deep into them | 16:55 |
| mihgen | any idea what logging / whatever to enable to catch it? | 16:55 |
| mihgen | was there an mc log at all? | 16:55 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: yes, this one is floating and I've contacted with listomin | 16:56 |
| mihgen | don't init logs what services it runs, did it at least attempt to run mc? | 16:56 |
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| kozhukalov | and have asked him which logs i need | 16:56 |
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| kozhukalov | at least i need to see mcollective log on a slave node to figure out if it tries to run at all | 16:56 |
| kozhukalov | mihgen: exactly, there is no such log in diagnostic snapshot | 16:57 |
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| mihgen | kozhukalov: do we have syslog log in there? | 16:57 |
| mihgen | does syslog contain init log? | 16:57 |
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| kozhukalov | the problem was on node-21, and there were no directory with logs from this node | 16:59 |
| kozhukalov | while there were form others | 16:59 |
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| kozhukalov | no syslog from target system | 16:59 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, we are out of time | 16:59 |
| mihgen | ok.. | 16:59 |
| kozhukalov | let's finish | 16:59 |
| mihgen | thank you guys for updates | 17:00 |
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| kozhukalov | thanks everyone for attending | 17:00 |
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| kozhukalov | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 7 17:00:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-05-07-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-05-07-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-05-07-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | \~o~/ | 17:00 |
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| nkinder | Hi all | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 7 17:00:57 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:01 |
| elmiko | heyo/ | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | woo! tmcpeak and nkinder! | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | life is good! | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | Hey elmiko glad to have you here again | 17:01 |
| elmiko | =) | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | I guess we'll wait a few minutes for people to join and then we'll get started | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | Everyone ready for the summit? | 17:01 |
| elmiko | woot! | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | :'( | 17:02 |
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| chair6 | g'day | 17:02 |
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| nkinder | trying to be ready for the summit... :) | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | tkelsey: you here? | 17:03 |
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| sicarie | o/ | 17:03 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: hey yeah sorry | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | multi tasking meetings | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | Great, well welcome everyone :) | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | I don't have a hard agenda today, been scrambling to try to get things ready for the summit | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | So lets spin out an agenda now | 17:04 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | * security.openstack.org | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | new bandit version | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | * summit - meetup/lunch | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | * bandit | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | * Anchor roadmap - tkelsey | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | security of requirements | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | elaborate tmcpeak? | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | we're pulling in who knows what packages, most of them aren't signed on PyPI | 17:05 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: ossn? | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | Great | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | It'd be nice to get completed OSSNs up to 50 by the summit | 17:06 |
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| elmiko | i'd like to tackle another one, but need some guidance on which would be a good one | 17:06 |
| nkinder | tmcpeak: hence the reason to use signed system packages instead of pip :) | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | cool | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | nkinder: yeah… that's definitely one approach | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: back in your RedHat box. | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:07 |
| nkinder | well, any distro | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | lol I know | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | There's a lot of downsides to system packages though | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | not least being system wide... signed PIP would be just lovely | 17:07 |
| elmiko | that would be cool | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | it exists today, just less than 10% of requirements are doing it | 17:07 |
| elmiko | ah | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | so.. I guess do we want to start with this? | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Bandit / Security Requirements | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | Might as well start here. So what's the impact/concern for Bandit | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | no impact or concern for Bandit, this is another one of my flighty quests | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | separate items :) | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | what I'm talking about merges nicely with some stuff gmurphy is looking at | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | ok cool | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | which first? | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | Bandit | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | cool - so we've pushed 0.11.0 about half an hour ago | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | finally fixes bundling of config, along with chair6's changes, and two new plugins (fletcher's xml and tkelsey's assert) | 17:10 |
| elmiko | a little bit of interesting side not for bandit, | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | oh yeah, elmiko: do share | 17:10 |
| elmiko | *note | 17:10 |
| elmiko | #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1217857 | 17:11 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1217857 in Package Review "Review Request: bandit - A framework for performing security analysis of Python source code" [Medium,New] - Assigned to nobody | 17:11 |
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| elmiko | a coworker proposed bandit for inclusing in fedora | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | wooot! | 17:11 |
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| tkelsey | heh awesome :D | 17:11 |
| elmiko | he's been using it on all sorts of non-openstack stuff | 17:11 |
| tkelsey | nice | 17:11 |
| fletcher | niice | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | elmiko: you should have him drop by the channel and say hi, would be nice to talk to him | 17:11 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: will do! | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: awesome! | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | so bknudson, dave-mccowan, et-al, you should all be good to move to latest Bandit, nothing will have changed since you're using your config file | 17:12 |
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| chair6 | let's say nothing *should* have changed, but i'd suggest verifying that bold statement :) | 17:12 |
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| dave-mccowan | tmcpeak are there any recommended config file changes for more coverage? | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | dave-mccowan: we can look at creating a new config file to include some of the new plugins | 17:13 |
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| tmcpeak | chair6: yeah, nothing *should* have changed. Guess we can introduce new bugs, etc… but we haven't intentionally messed with anything that the gates will care about | 17:14 |
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| tmcpeak | so anything else anyone wants to say on Bandit before I rathole #OSSG ? | 17:14 |
| tkelsey | FYI gmurphy poked me to add a new test for assert, so thats in the new version | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | ++ | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:15 |
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| elmiko | nice | 17:15 |
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| tmcpeak | cool - so security of requirements | 17:15 |
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| tmcpeak | something that has been stealing sleep from me off and on since I started working with OpenStack is the upstream packages which are used | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | I know gmurphy has been looking at this also | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | and probably many of you | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | so we have | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | 1) 250 packages which are dragged in at various times in OpenStack deployments | 17:16 |
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| tmcpeak | 2) no formal vetting process of the security of these packages | 17:17 |
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| tmcpeak | 3) packages are pushed to PyPI, which supports package signing, yet less than 10% of our requirements are signed | 17:17 |
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| tmcpeak | this of course opens the door to all kinds of issues - somebody modifies what a developer is pushing in flight to PyPI and our deployments ship with a backdoor, malware, etc | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | somewhere along the connection route, somebody tampers with the package | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | a tampered package can run code on your system with the privilege level that you run as by modifying setup.py | 17:18 |
| elmiko | is there some advice about creating signed pacakges? | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | none of this is new, Paul McMillan has talked about it, but I think it's time we look at doing something | 17:18 |
| gmurphy | think this is relevant - https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/1035 | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: that's one of the things I'd like to propose we work on | 17:18 |
| * gmurphy just stumbled on it. | 17:18 | |
| elmiko | i wonder if we could start small by starting to sign some of our packages, regardless of requirements. | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | hound the developers of everything that is a requirement of OpenStack to sign their packages | 17:19 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:19 |
| nkinder | so you are mostly focused on the authenticity of the package (vs the quality/security within it) | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder: I'm really concerned with both | 17:19 |
| nkinder | sure | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | I'd like to propose systematic auditing also | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | but signed packages seems like an achievable goal in the mid term | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | operating system packages are all signed, why wouldn't OpenStack packages be? | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | I wrote a little script this morning that parses the PyPI json information for all of the projects listed in global-requirements | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | that's how I know less than 10% are signed | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | so I propose 1) come up with the easiest path to signing | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | 2) start tracking down the authors of the packages which aren't signed | 17:20 |
| tkelsey | that makes sense tmcpeak, though we cant really enforce signing or anything, best we can do is work with the upstream maintainers | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | tkesley: you're right, we can't enforce - we can just help | 17:21 |
| nkinder | signing is definitely a good goal that will at least prevent something from being tampered with in transit... | 17:21 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: sure | 17:21 |
| tkelsey | nkinder: +1 | 17:21 |
| elmiko | could we start by ensuring that all openstack packages are signed? | 17:21 |
| nkinder | but what does the signing really indicate about the contents of the package? That's sort of the big difference with OS packages. | 17:21 |
| gmurphy | that being said pip cannot verify the authenticity of the packages based on the issue i posted before. | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Is there an open source (trusted/free) code signing org we could use? | 17:21 |
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| hyakuhei | nkinder: Lots of customers want the big bad NSA out of their code | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | even if the code is crappy | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | not that OpenStack is but signing is never a stamp of quality | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | gmurphy: right, pip doesn't do it. You'd need to validate before pip gets it | 17:22 |
| nkinder | there's an authority that signs it that claims something about the contents, then you can ensure you at least have what they produced (good or bad) | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder: right, that's kind of the immediate goal I'd like to drive towards | 17:22 |
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| nkinder | hyakuhei: yeah, understood. Just pointing out that signing only solves one small (but important) piece of the problem. | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | if I'm getting a package from somebody trying to subvert me, I'm kind of screwed without thorough auditing | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | you really need to have some level of trust in your upstream dependencies (in general) | 17:23 |
| gmurphy | also this pep - https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0458/ | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | gmurphy: ++ I'll have to read into these | 17:24 |
| elmiko | interesting | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | so I think when we look at the whole problem - it's way too big | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | we have to start somewhere, and I think a reasonable somewhere is ensuring our little corner of PyPI is signed | 17:24 |
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| tmcpeak | also once we can get the % significantly higher, we can start applying pressure on the holdouts | 17:25 |
| gmurphy | agree. | 17:25 |
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| tmcpeak | so of the 220 packages which aren't signed, let's say 50% will do if if we can reduce their effort level to less than 2 hours | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | now we have 110 packages to go, we hound them some more | 17:25 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: +1 to our little corner | 17:25 |
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| gmurphy | although i'd like for us to consider doing code audits when new depednencies are introduced to openstack/requirements too. | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | get it to 50, then we can go to them and say "look guys, we really like what you're doing, but if you can't sign this package we'll have to look for alternatives" | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | etc | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | gmurphy: definitely! | 17:26 |
| gmurphy | or at least a bandit run.. | 17:26 |
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| gmurphy | anyway.. carry on i've got a call to jump on | 17:26 |
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| tmcpeak | gmurphy: that would be easy… download all requirements, run Bandit with the keystone gate, file bugs | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | then we have at least a starting baseline | 17:27 |
| gmurphy | yeah. | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Could this be a potential bandit feature? To run through the project and it's requirements and report on which are available signed / unsigned ? | 17:27 |
| gmurphy | well i was trying to work towards that | 17:27 |
| gmurphy | just need to get a few more cycles to have something up and running | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: sure.. i'd see it as a sidekick script to Bandit, but yeah | 17:27 |
| elmiko | nice idea | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | sweet, so yeah, that's kind of what gmurphy and I have been kicking around | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | thoughts? | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | like it, hate it, don't care? | 17:28 |
| gmurphy | if we also had cve info for python packages we could report on known vulns etc | 17:28 |
| tkelsey | sounds reasonable to me, its going in the right direction for sure | 17:28 |
| elmiko | i like the idea of bandit doing some sort of check to see what is signed. i also get where nkinder is coming from about the quality of contents, but i think this would be a great first step. | 17:29 |
| nkinder | yeah, we need both | 17:29 |
| nkinder | one step at a time :) | 17:29 |
| elmiko | nkinder: +1 | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | I'll probably keep digging, report back with more next week? | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | I don't think we'll have a meeting next week | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | oh yeah, summit | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | yeh | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | even more time then :D | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | #topic summit | 17:30 |
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| hyakuhei | As always, I'll try to convince HP to pay for a security meal, though looking at the calendar that'll be hard | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Any thoughts on when? | 17:31 |
| elmiko | that's like the toughest question so far lol | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | these are some well-fed/paid engineers when you can't get anybody interested in a free meal ;) | 17:32 |
| nkinder | It's hard to say... | 17:32 |
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| nkinder | I'd say to just pick a day and see who yells :) | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | lol ok so maybe I'll work something else out, pinch some beers from the Booth or something :P | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | One of the talks I'm doing at the summit is around full stack security | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | Basically I'm presenting all the security options that exist for an OpenStack deployment today | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | and might be available tomorrow | 17:33 |
| elmiko | sounds cool | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | Is anyone interested in reviewing my notes? I'm sure there are a bunch of gaps | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | This could include everything from Bios Passwords and PXE isolation to django configuration for Horizon | 17:34 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: you can ping them to me if you like :) | 17:34 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: I'm interested | 17:34 |
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| nkinder | sounds like a lot to fit into one talk :) | 17:35 |
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| hyakuhei | It is | 17:35 |
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| hyakuhei | It'll be a whistle stop tour of technologies and how they can fit together today and what might be around the corner tomorrow | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | Or as I like to call it, how to make your cloud really secure but really broken | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | ok, tkelsey want to spend a few minutes talking about the future of Anchor? | 17:36 |
| tkelsey | ok dokie | 17:36 |
| tkelsey | just need to find the link | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Anchor | 17:37 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Anchor_Project_Roadmap | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | This one ? | 17:37 |
| tkelsey | so, I put down a few thoughts into ... yeah that one :P | 17:37 |
| tkelsey | this is preliminary and not in priority order or anything | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | looks good | 17:38 |
| tkelsey | anyone who is interested please take a look and add you notes as necessary | 17:38 |
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| tmcpeak | also - you have custom X509 code? ;) | 17:38 |
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| tmcpeak | have you broken the cardinal rule and rolled your own crypto? | 17:38 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: well we have custom python wrapper around OpenSSL lol | 17:38 |
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| tkelsey | so no crypto | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | ahh, ok.. that's (mostly) fine | 17:38 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: no its not lol :P its on the list to remove as soon as a dedicated lib is available (pyca/cryptography) | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | looks like a solid roadmap | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, well I thought you implemented X509 in Python.. that would be bad | 17:39 |
| tkelsey | i need to check up with reaperhulk at the summit as to the status of the code in cyrptography | 17:39 |
| tkelsey | heh yeah that would be | 17:40 |
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| tmcpeak | tkelsey: solid docs would probably be your #1 | 17:40 |
| tkelsey | yeah for sure | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | then you can really start selling it | 17:40 |
| elmiko | i see the barbican plugin on there, i know there has been some talk about a cert manager plugin for castellan. might that be part of a discussion? | 17:41 |
| tkelsey | in terms of priority it is top, a lot of the work I have done for the Vancouver talk will end up as docs | 17:41 |
| tkelsey | elmiko: +1 sure | 17:41 |
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| elmiko | i think it's still a topic for debate in castellan, just curious | 17:41 |
| tkelsey | I didnt know Castellan had a direct cert manager plugin | 17:41 |
| tkelsey | or plans for it | 17:42 |
| elmiko | well, talk mainly | 17:42 |
| tkelsey | interesting to know, thanks for mentioning it | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | Are octavia pushing for that? | 17:42 |
| elmiko | i think that is where some of the talk is originating from, octavia and neutron-lbaas | 17:42 |
| elmiko | it sounded kinda controversial though | 17:42 |
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| tkelsey | well i guess we can look into whats going on, it wont hurt to add it to the roadmap plan | 17:44 |
| tkelsey | since its mostly brainstorming :) | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | Makes sense | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | Though Anchor probably isn't useful for neutron | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | atleast not for doing LBaaS over the edge | 17:44 |
| elmiko | yea, most likely it would take some talk with the barbican/castellan folks anyways. | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | cool, we pretty much blew through the makeshift agenda | 17:45 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Any other business | 17:45 |
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| tmcpeak | security guidance! | 17:45 |
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| tmcpeak | gmurphy mentioned this last week I'm sure, but I wasn't around | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | we've converted them to ReST | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | we just need final editing and we can publish them (finally) | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | oooh | 17:46 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: could i get the link for open bugs needing OSSNs please =) | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | gmurphy: you still here? | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | ossn bugs? | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 17:46 |
| elmiko | i thought the list of ossns needing writeup came from launchpad? | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:47 |
| elmiko | hehe, that was easy | 17:47 |
| nkinder | Who can get this fixed? https://security.openstack.org/ | 17:47 |
| tkelsey | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bugs | 17:47 |
| nkinder | it's sort of embarrassing... | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | ooer | 17:47 |
| gmurphy | the +s will come soon | 17:47 |
| tkelsey | nkinder: yikes :-/ | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://github.com/gcmurphy/python-sec-guidance/tree/master/source/guidelines | 17:47 |
| nkinder | seems like plain http on https | 17:47 |
| gmurphy | there is a ticket for it somehwere | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | hah, woah | 17:48 |
| gmurphy | fungi: knows about this. (the https bit) | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | that's bad news bears | 17:48 |
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| fungi | https://review.openstack.org/155099 | 17:48 |
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| gmurphy | fungi: thx | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | ahh | 17:49 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155099/ | 17:49 |
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| fungi | need to remember my meetbot macros there ;) | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | :) | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | gmurphy: so what's needed to get the developer guidance on security.openstack.org ? | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | would be cool to have those in time for summit, then we (you guys) can plug them | 17:51 |
| tkelsey | and link them in Bandit docs | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: + | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | fungi: can we create a linked section somewhere on security.openstack.org for the development guidance? | 17:53 |
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| fungi | we can. at the moment it would need to be committed to the openstack/ossa git repo | 17:53 |
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| fungi | but i can help usher it through with gmurphy's assistance reviewing | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | fungi: please do | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | I'd love to get them in time for summit, not sure how feasible that is | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | fungi: I'd be happy to see it there for now and then create a repo other than the OSSA one later | 17:54 |
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| fungi | longer term i think we want to rearrange the security.o.o site so that we can publish to it from multiple related git repos | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | Or maybe you know, the security-doc repo | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | that exists for security docs and whatnot :P | 17:55 |
| tkelsey | lol | 17:55 |
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| hyakuhei | fungi: That could work too | 17:55 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, that makes sense | 17:55 |
| fungi | yep, release+summit time is just a bit of a scramble for larger undertakings like that, but can work on a better collaboration model for the content there once we're back from vancouver | 17:55 |
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| tmcpeak | fungi: fair enough | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:56 |
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| hyakuhei | we're approaching time now people, anything else to address?# | 17:56 |
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| hyakuhei | I guess that'll do it then! Until after the summit guys! Looking forward to seeing you all once again! | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 7 17:58:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-05-07-17.00.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-05-07-17.00.txt | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | see ya! | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-05-07-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
| tkelsey | come to the Bandit and Anchor talks ;-) | 17:58 |
| nkinder | Thanks all! | 17:58 |
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| elmiko | thanks hyakuhei ! | 17:58 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly | 18:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 7 18:59:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly)" | 18:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly' | 18:59 |
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| megan_w_ | o/ | 19:02 |
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| mpanetta | o/ | 19:02 |
| catherine | o/ | 19:02 |
| obulpathi | o/ | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | #link Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy | 19:03 |
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| tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:03 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Last Week Today | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Last Week Today (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly)" | 19:03 | |
| amitgandhinz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-04-30-19.00.html | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | no action items from last week | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Bugs and Blueprints | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs and Blueprints (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly)" | 19:04 | |
| miqui | hello... | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/kilo-3 | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | hi miqui | 19:04 |
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| miqui | hi amitgandhinz | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: Custom Certs automated | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/vanity-ssl | 19:05 |
| sriram | o/ | 19:05 |
| obulpathi | Yay! | 19:05 |
| * sriram is back | 19:05 | |
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| tonytan4ever | It is pretty completed, ready for review. | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | ooh cool | 19:05 |
| obulpathi | will review | 19:05 |
| tonytan4ever | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168110/ | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | im going to leave the SAN cets in progress | 19:07 |
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| tonytan4ever | Sure | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | sriram: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/log-delivery | 19:07 |
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| amitgandhinz | this one was wiaitng for the pig scripts to be added right | 19:07 |
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| amitgandhinz | should i leave it in progress? | 19:07 |
| sriram | I'll work on adding the pig scripts this week | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | ok cool | 19:08 |
| sriram | amitgandhinz: yes | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | miqui: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/devstack | 19:08 |
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| amitgandhinz | any updates on the devstack integration? | 19:08 |
| miqui | k, as per malini, i made contact with dtroyer and others and they gave me some info on how | 19:08 |
| miqui | to go about this... | 19:08 |
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| miqui | interestingly most devstack installs that are easy then to be in trusty | 19:09 |
| miqui | am trying on F21 | 19:09 |
| miqui | so am not sure to continue with F21 or punt and try this in trusty | 19:09 |
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| amitgandhinz | i think most use trusty | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | its prob better to get it working on a common system and then tweaking it to make it work on something else | 19:10 |
| miqui | yeah, thats what dtroyer mentions....so....maybe i'll just go with thyat.. | 19:10 |
| miqui | k, amitgandhinz thats the next step then... | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | cool. thanks miqui | 19:11 |
| miqui | mark the progress "as slow..." | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | ok with bugs - none of these have updates to report | 19:12 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Open Discussion | 19:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly)" | 19:12 | |
| amitgandhinz | shall we use the rest of the time to continue talking about the summit collaboration day? | 19:13 |
| tonytan4ever | +1 | 19:13 |
| sriram | +1 | 19:13 |
| megan_w_ | ja | 19:13 |
| obulpathi | I ahve two small reports on bugs | 19:13 |
| obulpathi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180727/ | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/poppy_vancouver | 19:13 |
| obulpathi | ready to merge | 19:13 |
| obulpathi | Ready for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181119/ | 19:13 |
| sriram | ok lets swarm on reviewing them. | 19:13 |
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| obulpathi | Yes, lets move on to summit colloboration | 19:14 |
| malini | do we have any idea on whom to expect for the Collab day? | 19:15 |
| megan_w_ | why don't we look at our notes from last time and get session topics | 19:15 |
| megan_w_ | amitgandhinz: do they have a signup/registration for the collab that you can see? | 19:15 |
| megan_w_ | or no? | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/schedule/ | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | so far we have 3 attendees | 19:15 |
| malini | amitgandhinz: do u have a direct link to the poppy collab page? | 19:16 |
| malini | https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/schedule/ | 19:16 |
| malini | grr.. | 19:16 |
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| amitgandhinz | https://openstacksummitmay2015vancouver.sched.org/event/5e1936a22b2d12d6417324e17570f077?iframe=no&w=i:100;&sidebar=yes&bg=no#.VUu6P86xGjI | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | ew | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | http://sched.co/3G6Z | 19:17 |
| megan_w_ | amitgandhinz: are you allowed to spam the openstack list with the agenda? | 19:17 |
| megan_w_ | or is that frowned upon? | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | i think its frowned upon | 19:17 |
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| megan_w_ | ok | 19:18 |
| malini | & with all the chatter there, we can easily get lost too :/ | 19:18 |
| megan_w_ | got it | 19:18 |
| malini | we shud have a target audience & then get those ppl into the room (A) | 19:18 |
| megan_w_ | so, how would we like to start the day? | 19:19 |
| mpanetta | Dancing robots | 19:19 |
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| miqui | good lucj guys at the summit... | 19:19 |
| miqui | luck... | 19:19 |
| sriram | 3d print poppy? | 19:19 |
| sriram | :P | 19:19 |
| mpanetta | I was looking up things actually :P | 19:19 |
| megan_w_ | i kind of like the idea of starting with production use cases. it sets the stage for what we've learned | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | ya | 19:19 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok on the etherpad... | 19:20 |
| megan_w_ | i have a hunch 9:50-10:30 will be the most well attended session | 19:20 |
| megan_w_ | let's put something good there | 19:20 |
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| amitgandhinz | was dimytri from highwinds able to attend this? | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | or are we just going to meet him on Monday? | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | megan_w_: ^ | 19:21 |
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| megan_w_ | not sure, but i'll ask | 19:22 |
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| amitgandhinz | looks like he is attending | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | just read his email | 19:23 |
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| miqui | ?? | 19:29 |
| miqui | are we done? | 19:29 |
| miqui | amitgandhinz: ?? | 19:29 |
| sriram | miqui: everyone is on the etherpad | 19:29 |
| miqui | ah k.. | 19:29 |
| sriram | miqui: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/poppy_vancouver | 19:30 |
| miqui | ..thanks... | 19:30 |
| sriram | join in :) | 19:30 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok time is almost up | 19:52 |
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| amitgandhinz | miqui: sriram: malini: megan_w_: lets wrap up | 19:55 |
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| miqui | k | 19:55 |
| amitgandhinz | obulpathi: tonytan4ever ^ | 19:55 |
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| sriram | 4 minute alert. | 19:56 |
| tonytan4ever | k | 19:56 |
| amitgandhinz | ok so i will clean up the sessions from the etherpad and send something out to the dev list | 19:56 |
| obulpathi | nothing from me | 19:56 |
| miqui | am going gluecon 2015 | 19:56 |
| amitgandhinz | I will see if i can get this format added to the sched page also | 19:56 |
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| tonytan4ever | I am Okay for now. | 19:56 |
| amitgandhinz | glue convention? | 19:56 |
| amitgandhinz | sounds like a sticky situation | 19:56 |
| sriram | what is that? | 19:56 |
| sriram | miqui: ^ | 19:57 |
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| miqui | http://gluecon.com/ | 19:57 |
| sriram | miqui: looks cool | 19:57 |
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| amitgandhinz | looks interesting | 19:58 |
| amitgandhinz | ok meeting adjourned | 19:58 |
| miqui | anyways... take care tyl | 19:58 |
| amitgandhinz | thanks everyone =( | 19:58 |
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| amitgandhinz | =) | 19:58 |
| sriram | boom, see ya. | 19:58 |
| megan_w_ | thanks! | 19:58 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 7 19:58:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly/2015/poppy_weekly.2015-05-07-18.59.html | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly/2015/poppy_weekly.2015-05-07-18.59.txt | 19:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly/2015/poppy_weekly.2015-05-07-18.59.log.html | 19:58 |
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