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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 28 15:00:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi! | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | Hello | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello folks | 15:00 |
| xyang | hi | 15:00 |
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| ganso_ | hello | 15:00 |
| u_glide | hello | 15:00 |
| markstur | Hello | 15:00 |
| rraja | hi | 15:00 |
| cknight | bswartz: Any news on Baby Liberty? | 15:00 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | cknight: lol not yet | 15:01 |
| bswartz | we do have a name picked out, and it's not Liberty | 15:01 |
| cknight | bswartz: :-) | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: you have time to change your mind =) | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | heh | 15:02 |
| bswartz | okay so first topic | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #topic Manila Midcycle Meetup | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Manila Midcycle Meetup (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| bswartz | this is something I had hoped to figure out before the summit | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | the cinder team has set their midcycle meetup for August 4-7 | 15:03 |
| tbarron | o/ | 15:03 |
| bswartz | my thinking is that in case there are people who want to travel for both, we should set the Manila one 2 weeks before or after that | 15:03 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1 | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | that makes the prospective dates either July 21-23 or August 18-20 | 15:04 |
| bswartz | July 21-23 is the week before L-2 | 15:05 |
| bswartz | August 18-20 is right in the middle of L-3 | 15:05 |
| bswartz | I'm included to go earlier | 15:05 |
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| cknight | bswartz: Middle of L-3 seems too late. | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | so I'd like to propose we hold the meetup July 21-23 | 15:06 |
| u_glide | cknight: +1 | 15:06 |
| bswartz | I'm not aware of any serious conflicts, please let me know if those dates are bad for you | 15:06 |
| markstur | I think, I'd miss that (vacation). | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | also regarding location, NetApp would like to volunteer our RTP office | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | we will do an online format like last time because I know many people can't travel | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | but I'm hoping that by planning it father in advance, we will get a good number to join in person | 15:08 |
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| cknight | bswartz: "father in advance" nice | 15:09 |
| bswartz | if anyone else wants to volunteer a location, respond to the email thread that I'm going to start after this meeting, and hopefully we can get it settled this week | 15:09 |
| bswartz | s/father/farther/ | 15:09 |
| markstur | cknight, +1 | 15:09 |
| bswartz | doh | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | markstur: I'll talk to you offline about your vacation dates | 15:10 |
| bswartz | anything else about the meetup plan? | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | #topic Liberty-1 Milestone | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty-1 Milestone (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:11 | |
| bswartz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 15:11 |
| bswartz | #link https://launchpad.net/manila/+milestone/liberty-1 | 15:11 |
| bswartz | there's only 4 weeks until L-1 | 15:11 |
| bswartz | it looks like each milestone is just 5 weeks long in Liberty | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | we have a couple of targetted blueprints, but now is time to start getting that list in order | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | Anything anyone is working on now should have a blueprint targeted to liberty, so write them up and ask me to target them when they're ready | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | #topic 3rd party vendor CI | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "3rd party vendor CI (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:15 | |
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| bswartz | so I started the ML thread before the summit | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | there were some helpful suggestions from anteaya but no other feedback on the plan | 15:16 |
| markstur | feedback: looks good | 15:16 |
| anteaya | I linked to your email thread at both my third party meetings this week | 15:16 |
| bswartz | so I'm going to assume everyone is happy with it and start implementing the plan as it's written in the email | 15:17 |
| bswartz | anteaya: thanks! | 15:17 |
| anteaya | the key for me is if all manila core reviewers are familiar with http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/third_party.html | 15:17 |
| anteaya | bswartz: welcome | 15:17 |
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| anteaya | if core reviewers from manila have questions please talk to me | 15:18 |
| bswartz | anteaya: thanks for the link | 15:18 |
| anteaya | my preference is to support the manila team so you can support the third party operators | 15:18 |
| anteaya | of course all are welcome at third party meetings | 15:18 |
| bswartz | core reviewers please read that page - I've glanced over it before but I haven't read every word, so I'll do that today | 15:18 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:18 |
| anteaya | ask me if you need any clarifications | 15:19 |
| bswartz | so the first part of the plan calls for identifying all the driver maintainers and collecting contact info | 15:19 |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-driver-maintainers | 15:19 |
| bswartz | I've created an etherpad for that purpose | 15:19 |
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| anteaya | can we eliminate the etherpad and go straight to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 15:20 |
| bswartz | I actually know who most of the driver maintainers are but I'd like people to add themselves so they're aware that they're signing up for this | 15:20 |
| anteaya | the etherpad just creates more work for yourself | 15:20 |
| anteaya | they need to add themselves to that wikipage anyway, may as well start there | 15:21 |
| anteaya | saves confusion | 15:21 |
| xyang | bswartz: we have just started planning for manila CI's, both isilon and vnx teams are aware of your email on CI | 15:21 |
| bswartz | anteaya: I'd like to do the etherpad exercise anyways, as there are multiple drivers from some vendors | 15:21 |
| bswartz | and some vendors are involved with multiple projects | 15:21 |
| anteaya | this just creates more work for you and more confusion for them | 15:21 |
| bswartz | yes it's double work but 1 line of text won't kill anyone | 15:22 |
| anteaya | but it is your call how all of them end up on that page | 15:22 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz, anteya: one of drivers is running in OpenStack CI | 15:22 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: you mean generic? | 15:22 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz, anteya: so, it should not be added to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems , right? | 15:22 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: yes | 15:22 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: generic won't need CI -- it's part of our gate | 15:22 |
| anteaya | vponomaryov: which driver | 15:22 |
| bswartz | I just listed it on the etherpad for completeness | 15:22 |
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| vponomaryov | anteaya: "Generic" driver that uses Cinder as backend | 15:23 |
| anteaya | the default driver that manila can't run without? | 15:23 |
| vponomaryov | anteaya: it is used in our gates currently | 15:23 |
| csaba | bswartz: if the one who maintains driver code and who will work on CI are different, should both of them indicated as "maintainer"? | 15:23 |
| bswartz | anteaya: manila can run without it -- it's just the default choice | 15:23 |
| anteaya | that is considered a first party driver | 15:23 |
| anteaya | not a third party driver | 15:24 |
| bswartz | csaba: list both and their roles if there are multiple people involved | 15:24 |
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| csaba | bswartz: OK. thx | 15:24 |
| bswartz | I want to get a list of "throats to choke" for various driver issues -- CI being the main one | 15:24 |
| vponomaryov | anteaya: thanks for info | 15:25 |
| bswartz | I know where to find you all anyways but if people sign up here, it signals acknowledgement that they're paying attention | 15:25 |
| anteaya | vponomaryov: welcome | 15:25 |
| bswartz | oh and just for the record, the email thread I referred to above is | 15:26 |
| bswartz | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/064086.html | 15:26 |
| rraja | bswartz: Ganesha is not a driver by itself. It's a library that is currently only used by glusterfs driver. | 15:26 |
| bswartz | rraja: what about IBM GPFS | 15:27 |
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| csaba | bswartz: ATM GPFS uses their own private Ganesha instrumentation | 15:28 |
| bswartz | I thought you were working together on ganesha stuff | 15:28 |
| bswartz | okay thanks for the clarification | 15:28 |
| csaba | that's planned, ATM we support different versions of ganesha | 15:28 |
| bswartz | csaba/rraja: please consolidate the gluster/ganesha entries on the etherpad as appropriate | 15:28 |
| csaba | bswartz: sure | 15:29 |
| bswartz | okay anything else on CI | 15:29 |
| markstur | NetApp is reporting! | 15:30 |
| markstur | good job | 15:30 |
| bswartz | oh yeah -- I forgot about that | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | at least our single_svm driver mode is already reporting | 15:30 |
| bswartz | thanks to the work of akerr | 15:30 |
| bswartz | and cknight | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | NetApp uses CI internally for testing changes before we upload them, as well as reporting on upstream changes | 15:31 |
| bswartz | okay moving on | 15:31 |
| bswartz | #topic Availability Zones | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184544/ | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | so there was a proposal to set the Nova AZ for service VMs created by the generic driver | 15:32 |
| bswartz | I think we actually need a more general facility | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | the basic problem is: in a relatively large cloud, locality of compute and data start to matter for performance reasons | 15:33 |
| bswartz | thus you would like for manila to be able to ensure that your shares end up relatively close to the nova VMs that are accessing them | 15:33 |
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| bswartz | assuming that Nova AZs are even the right concept to control this, then what we really want is a way for manila users to ask for a share in a specific AZ | 15:34 |
| bswartz | so I have 2 questions | 15:35 |
| bswartz | are AZs the right abstraction to control locality of compute and data? | 15:35 |
| bswartz | and if so, what API changes should we make to give users more control over them? | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | maybe metnion two existing variants? | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: what do you mean? | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | that we are able to do it by configuration and extra specs | 15:37 |
| bswartz | ok | 15:37 |
| vponomaryov | if both cases we have no API issues | 15:37 |
| bswartz | so the linked change above provides a way for the admin to pin all the service VMs to a specific AZ | 15:37 |
| vponomaryov | s/if/in/ | 15:37 |
| bswartz | that doesn't solve the problem I mentioned -- it just gives the admin a tool to control service VMs | 15:38 |
| vponomaryov | and for the moment he can not change it =) | 15:38 |
| bswartz | if we created some extra specs on the generic backend for nova_az, then the admin could offer multiple AZs controlled by share type, which would start to address the problem (with no API changes) but I don't think that goes far enough | 15:38 |
| markstur | can we use "host aggregates"? | 15:39 |
| bswartz | even though other driver could do something similar to what we implement for the generic driver, there would be no enforcement of a common implementation | 15:39 |
| vponomaryov | markstur: we can use everything Nova API provides | 15:39 |
| * bswartz doesn't know what host aggregates are :-( | 15:39 | |
| xyang | bswartz: another way is to add some hints in the scheduler. there is a locality filter in cinder that allows you to schedule volume and VM on the same host. that is something we can look at | 15:39 |
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| vponomaryov | xyang: same host as what? | 15:40 |
| xyang | vponomaryov: cinder volume and compute on same host | 15:40 |
| xyang | vponomaryov: make volume local to vm | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: yeah cinder can actually use disks on the compute nodes for LVM volumes | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | xyang: but if user does not have VM yet, what then? | 15:41 |
| bswartz | and it makes sense to use local disks rather than remote disks where possible | 15:41 |
| xyang | vponomaryov: that only solves a specific problem, but not all problems | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: what use cases do we have that can not be addressed by extra specs? | 15:42 |
| bswartz | in the case of Manila, the kind of locality we will be looking for will probably be "same rack" in a situation where there are multiple racks of gear with fast backplanes and relatively slow backbone links between racks | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: the problem comes with scaling the number of AZs | 15:43 |
| bswartz | with the extra spec proposal, you'd need a share_type for every AZ | 15:43 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: not really | 15:44 |
| bswartz | and if you wanted multiple types of shares you'd end up with a matrix of share types | 15:44 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it depends on implementation | 15:44 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: we can implement it as a list of AZs | 15:44 |
| ganso_ | wouldn't you have repeated share types for each AZ? | 15:44 |
| bswartz | I feel like the user needs a way to specify the specific AZ he wants the share to be in (again, assuming AZs are the right construct) | 15:44 |
| ganso_ | like "bronze_AZ1, bronze_AZ2", etc? | 15:44 |
| bswartz | ganso_: that's my fear | 15:45 |
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| ganso_ | bswartz: +1 I think extra_specs are the way to go | 15:45 |
| cknight | ganso_: right, we shouldn't go there | 15:45 |
| markstur | I think AZ should be on the create share. It's for isolation. | 15:46 |
| vponomaryov | markstur: it should not, because it is driver-specific | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | markstur: that's my gut feeling, but I want to make sure there's not a better option than AZ | 15:46 |
| vponomaryov | markstur: in case of generic driver we can set Az for Nova as well as for Cinder | 15:47 |
| jasonsb | it should accomodate share migration semantics i think | 15:47 |
| markstur | For Cinder, create volume has an AZ pull-down (there is an "all" though) | 15:47 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: if we allow the user to specify the AZ, then the scheduler would have to know which AZ/AZs each backend can create shares in | 15:47 |
| markstur | I would think create share would follow a similar construct. | 15:47 |
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| jasonsb | ie migrate this share to this other AZ and then i'll run my compute over there too | 15:47 |
| bswartz | some drivers might be limited to a single AZ, while others might be able to use all the AZs (like generic) | 15:48 |
| markstur | I'm thinking host aggregates is for admin hinting to scheduler about location -- but I'm not very familiar with aggregate use | 15:48 |
| bswartz | jasonsb: yes this locality concept might apply to migration and also replication | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | much like we would like to be able to re-type a share using migration, we might want to change-AZ a share also using migration | 15:49 |
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| jasonsb | it sounds powerful | 15:50 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1 | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | so I don't have the answer yet | 15:50 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: +1 | 15:51 |
| bswartz | but I'm pretty confident that the change in 184544 doesn't go far enough | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | so I'm going to read about host aggregates | 15:52 |
| jasonsb | we need a user | 15:52 |
| jasonsb | marc? | 15:52 |
| bswartz | you looking for mkoderer? | 15:53 |
| jasonsb | i could be wrong. it just sounds tricky to get right | 15:53 |
| jasonsb | bswartz: yes, i was thinking he could give feedback? | 15:54 |
| bswartz | well I'm also curious to see exactly what cinder does with its AZ field | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | because I haven't experimented with it | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | okay that's about all I had | 15:54 |
| xyang | bswartz: I think igor's implementation is similar to cinder's, you can specify in cinder.conf | 15:54 |
| bswartz | xyang: where in cinder.conf? | 15:55 |
| bswartz | for each backend? or something in the default section? | 15:55 |
| markstur | I hear from "cinder" that AZ is for isolation and host-aggregates is for scheduler hints (I assume e.g. co-locate) | 15:55 |
| xyang | there is a field for availability zone, I have find the exact option | 15:55 |
| markstur | but I also hear developers don't do this much. So it would be nice to hear from on operator | 15:55 |
| bswartz | markstur: yeah I think us developers spend all our time on single-node devstack systems | 15:56 |
| bswartz | so we forget that real clouds have multiple hosts involved and they're not all equal | 15:56 |
| markstur | devstack secure physically isolated multi-tenancy rocks! | 15:56 |
| tbarron | xyang: I see 'default_availability_zone' and 'storage_availability_zone' | 15:56 |
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| xyang | tbarron: I think you are right. I ran into it when working on CG | 15:57 |
| xyang | tbarron: the storage_availability_zone override the default one | 15:57 |
| tbarron | xyang: but I live in a devstack world, as bswartz indicates, so I don't know how they work | 15:57 |
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| xyang | tbarron: I'm not playing with it either. I only have one zone:) | 15:58 |
| bswartz | okay so I'll follow up on those too | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | I don't want to rush into a solution without understanding how existing stuff works | 15:58 |
| bswartz | and I also want to hear from users/deployers on this topic | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | 1 minute left! | 15:59 |
| bswartz | any last topics? | 15:59 |
| markstur | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1426205 | 15:59 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1426205 in Cinder "useless storage_availability_zone import" [Low,Fix released] - Assigned to QiangGuan (hzguanqiang) | 15:59 |
| markstur | FYI -- searching storage_availility_zone. | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | interesting link markstur | 15:59 |
| bswartz | thank everyone | 16:00 |
| xyang | markstur: interesting | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | look for mail thread on midcycle meetup | 16:00 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 28 16:00:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-05-28-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-05-28-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-05-28-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| csaba | /close | 16:01 |
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| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | #startmeeting Security | 17:00 |
| michaelxin | hi | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 28 17:00:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
| bknudson | I meant eh? | 17:00 |
| * sicarie waves | 17:00 | |
| tmcpeak | hi michaelxin, bknudson, tkelsey | 17:00 |
| singlethink | o/ | 17:00 |
| dg__ | hey tmcpeak | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | yo yo | 17:00 |
| michaelxin | hi, tmcpeak | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | so we'll give a couple minutes for stragglers and then get going | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | meanwhile throw agenda items at me | 17:01 |
| michaelxin | sounds good | 17:01 |
| bknudson | bandit progress (world domination) | 17:01 |
| elmiko | yo/ | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:01 |
| sicarie | not an agenda item, but more informational, there is also an #openstack-security room that many lurk in | 17:01 |
| shelleea007 | hi | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah, a bunch of lurkers there ;) | 17:02 |
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| gmurphy | o/ | 17:02 |
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| tkelsey | tmcpeak: item "bandit patches coming in post-vancouver" | 17:02 |
| michaelxin | we did not finish reviewing https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-security-tooling | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | cool, got it | 17:02 |
| michaelxin | should we spend some time on it and came up with some action items? | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin - sure, sounds good | 17:03 |
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| sigmavirus24 | A couple of those patches are mine. I'm sorry and you're welcome | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | sigmavirus24: ;) | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool, let's get going then | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | #topic Bandit Progress | 17:03 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Bandit Progress (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:04 | |
| michaelxin | I heard that you guys plan to re-brand bandit, any movement? | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey, bknudson, etc - take it away | 17:04 |
| bknudson | bandit is now posting on keystonemiddleware -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178707/ | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | michaelxin: I don't think we're doing that anymore (at least I don't know about it). That was only if we couldn't get the name on PyPI | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | cool, you should startmeeting tmcpeak :) | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | tkelsey: I have | 17:04 |
| michaelxin | tmcpeak: Thanks. | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | o/ | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | oh wait, yeah sorry my bad lol | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: awesome, how's it going? | 17:05 |
| bknudson | keystonemiddleware is passing. | 17:05 |
| bknudson | it was only turned on yesterday | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:05 |
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| dg__ | thats good work! | 17:05 |
| bknudson | keystoneclient is waiting on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178707/ | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | so are all keystone properties running Bandit now? | 17:05 |
| tkelsey | bknudson: awesome :) | 17:05 |
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| bknudson | we have a lot of repos | 17:05 |
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| sigmavirus24 | we should add bandit to keystoneauth too | 17:05 |
| bknudson | keystone and keystonemiddleware are the big ones | 17:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | since that'll be crucial for lots of projects | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | sigmavirus24: +1 , not sure what it is but it sounds important ;) | 17:06 |
| jian5397 | cool | 17:06 |
| bknudson | keystoneauth is a new one that hasn't had a release yet | 17:06 |
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| bknudson | I don't think the bandit tests are as useful for the clients, but might as well get them working | 17:06 |
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| tmcpeak | bknudson: how come? | 17:06 |
| bknudson | clients aren't going to use rootwrap for example | 17:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | bknudson: can probably catch other things though | 17:07 |
| bknudson | I guess they might create temp files | 17:07 |
| michaelxin | server side is more interesting | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | sure, actually the rootwrap test is not included in the Keystone profile I don't think | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | we don't have a good way to rule out false positives, so we'd have to use #nosec on all the safe rootwraps | 17:07 |
| bknudson | what kinds of problems do you think bandit can catch in clients? | 17:07 |
| bknudson | I guess they might decide to implement their own crypto for whatever reason | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | maybe handling creds insecurely, temp files, improper TLS handling, stuff like that? | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: I would sure hope not ;) | 17:08 |
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| tkelsey | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:08 |
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| michaelxin | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | bknudson: like glanceclient? | 17:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | yeah | 17:09 |
| bknudson | it'll eventually be enabled for everything in keystone | 17:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | glanceclient has it's own crypto at the moment | 17:09 |
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| tmcpeak | :| | 17:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | yea | 17:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm working on it | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | own crypto like algorithm or implementation of a known algorithm? | 17:09 |
| michaelxin | insecure logging might be another one | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: +1 | 17:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | tmcpeak: as in implementation of a verifying an https connection so they can set special opts with pyOpenSSL | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | ahh ok, so it's shelling out to OpenSSL or something? | 17:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | By working on it, I mean I'm working on requests and urllib3 so we can stop those shenanigans | 17:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | tmcpeak: pyOpenSSL doesn't shell out | 17:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | Either way, that's a distraction of sorts | 17:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | Back to the meeting ;) | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | sigmavirus24: oh good, getting that addressed in requests and urllib3 would be very useful in other cases too | 17:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | yep | 17:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | that's why I'm working on it :D | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | cool, bknudson: thanks for all the work pushing this in Keystone | 17:11 |
| michaelxin | sigmavirus24: good job | 17:11 |
| sicarie | tmcpeak: maybe an action to hyakuhei on his 'overarching crypto monitoring' idea? | 17:11 |
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| tkelsey | sigmavirus24: out of interest did we chat at vancouver about some pyOpenSSL stuff | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | for sure, I believe gmurphy is working on something along those lines too | 17:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | tkelsey: maybe? I talked to lots of people at the summit | 17:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | That said, if not we can chat in #openstack-security about it more | 17:12 |
| tkelsey | heh yeah same, sure | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | so item 2 | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Liberty Security Tooling | 17:12 |
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| tmcpeak | michaelxin: this is your item | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-security-tooling | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | want to describe what's going on here? | 17:13 |
| michaelxin | We talked about this during summit design session | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | cool, any consensus or resulting action items? | 17:13 |
| michaelxin | We used the ether pad to track the projects or ideas | 17:13 |
| michaelxin | No, we do not have any action item yet. | 17:13 |
| michaelxin | I am not sure about the next step | 17:14 |
| michaelxin | Should we send this list to the email list and ask for feedbacks | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | so it looks like this is broken into several categories | 17:14 |
| tkelsey | Is this working towards a proposal for new tools? | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | improvements to existing projects: Anchor, Bandit | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | proposals for new tools: IDS, Rest API fuzzer, config validator | 17:14 |
| michaelxin | it is just like brainstorming | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | and open questions | 17:14 |
| michaelxin | yes | 17:14 |
| tkelsey | oh ok, cool | 17:15 |
| dg__ | improvements to Bandit - write a roadmap? | 17:15 |
| tkelsey | good stuff | 17:15 |
| elmiko | might be worth looking at cdent's gabbi tool to do api fuzzing | 17:15 |
| tkelsey | dg__: im on it :) | 17:15 |
| tkelsey | elmiko: good stuff, please add info to the etherpad | 17:15 |
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| elmiko | tkelsey: will do | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | dg__: tkelsey has expressed a never-ending passion for doc improvement, so he's going to get Bandit whipped into shape | 17:15 |
| dg__ | tkelsey is my hero | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | :P | 17:15 |
| michaelxin | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:15 |
| dg__ | Im getting a t-shirt printed up with that on | 17:15 |
| tkelsey | lol, well when you put it that ... :P but yeah I am going to get stuck in | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:16 |
| bknudson | we need a photo of tkelsey | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | personally I'd be very interested in some good API slamming tools | 17:16 |
| michaelxin | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:16 |
| michaelxin | We can work on it | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | I'm not the biggest Tempest fan in the world though ;) maybe I had a bad early experience | 17:17 |
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| sigmavirus24 | tmcpeak: no that's justified | 17:17 |
| sicarie | michaelxin: I think you mentioned that you guys are currently doing REST fuzzing - will any of that be submitted upstream? (or am I wrong about you mentioning that?) | 17:17 |
| michaelxin | Tempest is for integration | 17:17 |
| * sigmavirus24 speaks as someone with recent bad tempest experiences | 17:17 | |
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| tmcpeak | michaelxin: that would be great! I'm sure you'll get some contributors to pitch in too | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | sigmavirus24: good to see it hasn't changed much :) | 17:17 |
| michaelxin | sicarie: Yes. | 17:17 |
| michaelxin | Some of them are Tempest. | 17:17 |
| michaelxin | Some of them are our own QE tools | 17:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | tmcpeak: it's stable of course | 17:18 |
| michaelxin | We are thinking about creating our own API fuzzing tool. | 17:18 |
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| tmcpeak | that would be great | 17:19 |
| bknudson | part of this might require having schemas for the openstack apis | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | I mean if you open source it :) | 17:19 |
| michaelxin | There is still debate in QA about Tempst | 17:19 |
| sicarie | michaelxin: and is there any plan to submit that upstream, or assist in outlining an open version? | 17:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | bknudson: yeah. Glance v1, for example, has 0 schemas | 17:19 |
| michaelxin | Our QE tool is open source | 17:19 |
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| michaelxin | https://github.com/stackforge/opencafe | 17:19 |
| gmurphy | http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-image-v2.html | 17:19 |
| michaelxin | Yes, we will for sure | 17:20 |
| gmurphy | most of the schema details are there | 17:20 |
| tkelsey | michaelxin: could you put any details into the etherpad please, so we can collect stuff there | 17:20 |
| bknudson | y, but a computer readable schema so that a fuzzer could use it | 17:20 |
| michaelxin | tkelsey: Got it. | 17:20 |
| tkelsey | thanks :) | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: +1 | 17:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | gmurphy: that's for v2 though | 17:20 |
| gmurphy | oh right. | 17:20 |
| gmurphy | v1 is there too | 17:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | v2 has schemas | 17:20 |
| elmiko | this might dovetail nicely into some of the swagger ideas that have been circling around | 17:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | elmiko: don't you bring none of that API-WG nonsense in here ;) | 17:21 |
| bknudson | y, I was thinking about swagger | 17:21 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: lol | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | so seems like we have some good ideas for tools | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | anybody want to take action items for future research here? | 17:23 |
| * sicarie volunteers | 17:23 | |
| tmcpeak | or I guess what I'm asking is how can we carry these from ideas into things | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | sicarie: awesome, what are you volunteering for | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | ? | 17:23 |
| sicarie | tmcpeak: no idea | 17:23 |
| tkelsey | LOL | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | haha | 17:23 |
| michaelxin | I for API fuzzing | 17:23 |
| elmiko | i've done a bunch with swagger, i can certainly participate with discussions about api fuzzing | 17:24 |
| shelleea007 | i'd be interested in helping | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | #action michaelxin to look into API fuzzing options | 17:24 |
| sicarie | Yeah, I'll help with michaelxin with API fuzzing if he needs it | 17:24 |
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| michaelxin | sicarie: sure | 17:24 |
| sicarie | Or another item if it needs effort | 17:24 |
| tkelsey | michaelxin: awesome shelleea007 sicarie awesome | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | #action elmiko to look into API fuzzing options | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | #action sicarie to look into API fuzzing options | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | cool, so that's a good group on that | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | maybe you guys can synch up in #openstack-security and provide an update next week or so? | 17:25 |
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| michaelxin | sounds good | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | #action shelleea007 to look into API fuzzing options | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | sorry shelleea007, didn't see your name there too :) | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Signed Requirements | 17:26 |
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| tmcpeak | so I've been looking into getting the OpenStack requirements signed before they go to PyPI | 17:26 |
| shelleea007 | its ok, I'm used to being ignored :p | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | I think I have a plan, I'm just ironing out some last minute details and then we can have a full discussion about it in a soon future meeting | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | the idea is though, that unless somebody goes and retrieves each requirement from the author page directly, we are vulnerable | 17:27 |
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| tmcpeak | PyPI credentials can be compromised and used to upload a malicious version of a package and cause all kinds of bad | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | this is something I'm planning to move to the top of my personal stack, and once I get everything ironed out I'll greatly appreciate help from the community | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | does anybody have any thoughts or questions about this idea? | 17:28 |
| elmiko | how can we help out =) | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: awesome :) I was hoping you might say that | 17:28 |
| elmiko | LOL | 17:28 |
| bknudson | sign not only the package but also require the bandit results and sign them. | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | so we'll need to create some simple guidance about how to get set up for GPG signing and upload a signed package to PyPI | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: that would be perfect world, but I'm hoping to convince each developer of every requirement to give 10 minutes to the cause and sign and reupload their package, if we can get that we're in much better shape | 17:30 |
| bknudson | do you have an example of a signed project? | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | sure, one sec | 17:30 |
| elmiko | would this documentation live on security.openstack.org? | 17:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | tmcpeak: you'll be using twine, right? | 17:30 |
| bknudson | I assume bandit is | 17:30 |
| sigmavirus24 | since twine is the only project that can securely upload packages to PyPI | 17:31 |
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| tmcpeak | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/argcomplete | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: actually bandit is not | 17:31 |
| sigmavirus24 | it also has a way of uploading signatures and doing signing for you | 17:31 |
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| tmcpeak | sigmavirus24: oh does, twine do the signing for you? | 17:31 |
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| sigmavirus24 | tmcpeak: yep | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | oh sweet | 17:31 |
| * sigmavirus24 maintains too many things | 17:31 | |
| bknudson | I'm wondering how you tell if it's signed or not | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | even better! one of the early items was to find the easiest path to get a signed package on PyPI | 17:31 |
| sigmavirus24 | bknudson: I believe it uploads an asc | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: it's difficult to tell, but you can tell by looking at the json | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/argcomplete/json | 17:32 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'm probably wrong though, it's been a while since I touched that part of PyPI/twine integration | 17:32 |
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| tmcpeak | bknudson: yeah, sigmavirus24 is right, it uploads an asc, which isn't linked on the actual page, but you can download it by appending .asc to the end of the actual package you are downloading | 17:32 |
| michaelxin | it is not very easy to follow | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | so one of the foundations of this effort is that we aren't requiring any server side improvements to PyPI | 17:33 |
| bknudson | has_sig = false for python-keystoneclient | 17:33 |
| sigmavirus24 | michaelxin: it should get better when dstufft actually gets warehouse out the door iiuc | 17:33 |
| michaelxin | it is still using md5 | 17:33 |
| sigmavirus24 | michaelxin: it's switching to sha256 shortly | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | I've spoken to Donald Stufft - dstufft , and he has his hands full with Warehouse | 17:33 |
| sigmavirus24 | the blocker was that devpi didn't support sha256 | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | those signatures aren't what we're talking about… that's just for error detection | 17:33 |
| sigmavirus24 | so now that it has a release with that, Donald will cut over | 17:33 |
| sigmavirus24 | tmcpeak: correct | 17:33 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: just to clarify, is some of the intent here to help get more openstack project signed in pypi, like across the board? | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | also it won't help, the threat we're trying to prevent is a developer credentials becoming compromised and they upload a malicious version, which PyPI would happily calculate a sha256 sum for and everything would appear dandy | 17:34 |
| michaelxin | elmiko: +1 | 17:34 |
| michaelxin | But it can happen to any developer, right? | 17:34 |
| bknudson | twine isn't signed so we can't trust that either | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: yes, the intent is to get every single think in global requirements signed | 17:34 |
| elmiko | ack, tnx | 17:35 |
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| tmcpeak | bknudson: you're correct, any tooling which itself has not been signed can't be relied on | 17:35 |
| bknudson | twine 1.1.1 has_sig but 1.4.0 lost it. | 17:35 |
| michaelxin | gee | 17:35 |
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| sigmavirus24 | bknudson: yeah because I took it over from Donald | 17:35 |
| bknudson | just use Donald's sig | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | sigmavirus24: oh, twine is yours? | 17:36 |
| sigmavirus24 | tmcpeak: I maintain it | 17:36 |
| sigmavirus24 | It's PyPA's to be exact | 17:36 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Donald wrote it initially | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | sigmavirus24: awesome! one of the things on my list was to find who is in charge of twine | 17:36 |
| sigmavirus24 | Like I said, I maintain too many things | 17:36 |
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| elmiko | hehe | 17:36 |
| michaelxin | sigmavirus24: +1 | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | so the developer guidance that we'll create will also include to use twine, to prevent (among other things) credentials becoming compromised because setuptools standard upload process does not validate TLS | 17:37 |
| elmiko | sounds nice | 17:37 |
| michaelxin | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | I believe it is the simplest way to get what we want, but I'll definitely want all of your opinions and help on it | 17:37 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: for sure, i would love to see this kind of guidance | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | I should have all details of plan firmed up in the next week and then I'll open it up and see if anybody has concerns and who would like to work on it | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Other Business | 17:38 |
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| tmcpeak | open floor, anybody have anything they want to discuss? | 17:39 |
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| michaelxin | I have one question | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: sure, what's up? | 17:39 |
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| tkelsey | nothing from me, other than to say thanks to folks pushing bandit patches :) lots of interest after Vamcouver | 17:39 |
| michaelxin | Does security involved with defcore by any chance? | 17:39 |
| michaelxin | It will be cool if they include security requirements there | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: good question, I have no idea | 17:40 |
| bknudson | does defcore have any interest in security? | 17:40 |
| bknudson | I thought it was just API compatibility | 17:40 |
| bknudson | seems like there are already lots of cloud security standards | 17:40 |
| hogepodge | michaelxin: right now it's focused on APIs, so non-secure endpoints would pass tests | 17:40 |
| michaelxin | got it. | 17:41 |
| michaelxin | Thanks | 17:41 |
| bknudson | it would still be interesting to get security tests into tempest | 17:41 |
| hogepodge | michaelxin: bknudson: That doesn't preclude it being part of the testing standard, though. It's just not part of it right now. | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | I haven't looked at security tempest tests lately, what's the state of them? | 17:41 |
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| bknudson | we need a "secure" gate | 17:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | re bandit on Python 3: I just want it to be clear that Bandit's AST parsing will be made to work on Py 2 and Py 3 just like PyFlakes does | 17:41 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus24: nice | 17:42 |
| sigmavirus24 | Any code being tested with bandit run on Py 3 would have to have valid Python 3 syntax | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: doesn't it currently work against Py3 code? | 17:42 |
| sigmavirus24 | And any code tested where bandit is run on Py 2 would need valid Python 2 syntax | 17:42 |
| sigmavirus24 | There are also checks that will need to be done conditionally. The exec plugin will need to work differently on different versions. `exec` is both a statement and a function on Py2. On Py3 it's only a function | 17:43 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: I _think_ the ast should be similar enough that bandit can test py3 code | 17:43 |
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| sigmavirus24 | tkelsey: as long as the Py3 code is also valid Py2 syntax since you'd be compiling with Py2's AST | 17:43 |
| bknudson | let's drop py2 support | 17:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | bknudson: let's not | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | haha | 17:43 |
| michaelxin | sigmavirus24: +1 | 17:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | It's a bad idea until all the projects are off py2 | 17:43 |
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| tkelsey | sigmavirus24: +1 | 17:44 |
| sigmavirus24 | THEN we can drop Py2 support ;) | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | sigmavirus24: so is it a different AST lib for Py3 or something? | 17:44 |
| sigmavirus24 | tmcpeak: yes | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | ahhh | 17:44 |
| sigmavirus24 | Same basic API but the symbols from _ast are different | 17:44 |
| sigmavirus24 | So TryExcept/TryFinally are just ast.Try now | 17:44 |
| sigmavirus24 | ast.Exec doesnt' exist since exec isn't a statement | 17:44 |
| elmiko | interesting... | 17:44 |
| sigmavirus24 | etc. | 17:44 |
| dg__ | Is there much py3 adoption in openstack? | 17:44 |
| sigmavirus24 | I've done this before | 17:44 |
| * sigmavirus24 worked on pyflakes | 17:44 | |
| tmcpeak | hmm, yeah.. so it seems like even the plugins would have to be Py3 aware | 17:44 |
| tkelsey | sigmavirus24: thats very interesting | 17:44 |
| sigmavirus24 | dg__: we're moving towards it so yes | 17:44 |
| bknudson | all the clients use py3 | 17:45 |
| sigmavirus24 | tmcpeak: yep | 17:45 |
| bknudson | can we change the bandit tox job to use py3 then? | 17:45 |
| sigmavirus24 | @checks('Exec') is the current blocker on the tests passing on Py34 right now | 17:45 |
| sigmavirus24 | bknudson: tox -e py34 just works | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | I wonder if there is some way to abstract that complexity away | 17:45 |
| sigmavirus24 | tmcpeak: oh god, don't get me started | 17:45 |
| bknudson | I mean the keystone tox -e bandit | 17:45 |
| sigmavirus24 | bknudson: ah | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | would be nice to free plugin writers from worrying about those intracacies | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:45 |
| sigmavirus24 | bknudson: well it won't work for a while | 17:45 |
| bknudson | I didn't think about the interpreter | 17:45 |
| tkelsey | I guess there is no six for the ast lol | 17:45 |
| sigmavirus24 | tkelsey: there isn't | 17:46 |
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| sigmavirus24 | I thought about doing it once | 17:46 |
| michaelxin | Another topic is container is so popular in the summit. Should we plan something too? | 17:46 |
| sigmavirus24 | And then nope.gif'd right out fthere | 17:46 |
| bknudson | looks like we just need to set basepython = python3.4 | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | hahaha | 17:46 |
| tkelsey | michaelxin: yeah its been noted, we should think about things in that space for sure | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin, tkelsey: yeah, agree | 17:46 |
| bknudson | tell me when bandit works with py34 and I'll update my tox.ini s | 17:46 |
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| tmcpeak | I guess we could start by taking a good hard look at Magnum | 17:47 |
| michaelxin | tkelsey: tmcpeak: Cool, Thanks. | 17:47 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:47 |
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| sigmavirus24 | bknudson: good to hear. I'll keep you in the loop | 17:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | bknudson: also add you to the review =P | 17:47 |
| elmiko | makes sense, it seems like the state of the art hasn't caught up with all the ideas about signed containers and what not though | 17:47 |
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| tmcpeak | cool, anything else to discuss before we wrap for the day? | 17:49 |
| michaelxin | no, thanks. | 17:49 |
| sicarie_ | tmcpeak: a fun note - the install docs recommend disabling firewalls | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | wut | 17:50 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | which install docs? | 17:50 |
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| sicarie_ | ubuntu | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | wut | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | link? | 17:50 |
| sigmavirus24 | sicarie_: the install guide from OpenStack or is this Ubuntu's docs? | 17:50 |
| sicarie_ | sigmavirus24: from OpenStack | 17:50 |
| sicarie_ | tmcpeak: looking | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | oh man | 17:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | sicarie_: you can file a bug for that on the openstack-manuals project | 17:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | And mark me as nosey or whatever LaunchPad calls it | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, please do… that's horrible. We should never be recommending flat out disabling the firewall | 17:51 |
| sicarie_ | sigmavirus24: sure | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | 1) people just magically forget to put it back, 2) it's lazy guidance | 17:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | In the install guide's defense, it's not meant as a guide to deploying a production cloud | 17:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | I don't think it's right, but it's the purpose of the guide | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | fair enough | 17:52 |
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| michaelxin | sicarie_: Good catch | 17:52 |
| sigmavirus24 | also openstack-doc is a good channel to discuss this in | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, sicarie_: great catch | 17:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | with the doc writers who likely wrote that | 17:53 |
| dave-mccowan | has any project made bandit a voting job in the gate? we're thinking about it for barbican. | 17:53 |
| sicarie_ | sigmavirus24: I was in the docs working group at the summit when that was brought up | 17:53 |
| sigmavirus24 | dave-mccowan: bknudson added it to keystone | 17:53 |
| bknudson | dave-mccowan: it's not voting. | 17:53 |
| bknudson | yet. | 17:53 |
| michaelxin | we can work with barbican team to add it | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | dave-mccowan: not yet that I'm aware of, I'd really encourage it though | 17:54 |
| elmiko | dave-mccowan: same for sahara, we have it non-voting | 17:54 |
| bknudson | I'll request to make it voting soon enough | 17:54 |
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| elmiko | ours needs more tuning and some local bug fixes to sahara before we go voting | 17:54 |
| dave-mccowan | i added it as non-voting to barbican. we're discussing to make it voting, but don't want to be first. :-) | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: if you would like any help with it please let us know | 17:54 |
| sicarie_ | #link: http://docs.openstack.org/icehouse/install-guide/install/yum/content/basics-networking.html | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | haha | 17:54 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: awesome, will do! | 17:54 |
| sicarie_ | During this installation, certain steps will fail unless you alter or disable the firewall. | 17:55 |
| tmcpeak | only bknudson has the stomach to be first :D | 17:55 |
| tkelsey | elmiko: dave-mccowan i can help as well | 17:55 |
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| tkelsey | bknudson: trail blazing :) | 17:55 |
| elmiko | tkelsey: ack, thanks | 17:55 |
| sicarie_ | my bad, it was the rh guide, the ubuntu guide calls out that iptables/ufw is disabled by default | 17:55 |
| bknudson | if there's a new release of bandit and it doesn't break us then I'll be happy to make it voting | 17:55 |
| bknudson | otherwise I'll just request to make it voting after it's been running a while | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | sicarie: :| - I think we should file a bug against that | 17:56 |
| tkelsey | that seems sensible | 17:56 |
| bknudson | the bandit job was broken for a while | 17:56 |
| michaelxin | bknudson: +1 | 17:56 |
| tkelsey | bknudson: oh? | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: broken how? | 17:56 |
| bknudson | because I used bandit~=0.10 or whatever | 17:56 |
| tkelsey | ahh ok | 17:56 |
| bknudson | and something changed so that wasn't working anymore | 17:56 |
| sicarie_ | tmcpeak: done | 17:57 |
| bknudson | it's fixed since we switched to having a test-requirements-bandit.txt | 17:57 |
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| tkelsey | bknudson: interesting, sorry for the breakage | 17:57 |
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| sicarie_ | sigmavirus24: just added you to the bug | 17:57 |
| bknudson | it was my own fault for trying to be on the bleeding edge | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | oh yeah.. ~=0.10 was pulling a version that we knew wouldn't work, right? | 17:57 |
| bknudson | no, it was something didn't understand ~= format | 17:58 |
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| bknudson | not bandit related at all | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | oh yeah, that's right | 17:58 |
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| tmcpeak | cool. We'll get another Bandit release fairly soon to ease your troubled mind bknudson | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | :D | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | allright all, that's about it for the meeting, any last (quick thoughts)? | 17:59 |
| bknudson | I'll always have a troubled mind. | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | I guess we can roll over to #openstack-security if so | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | great meeting everybody, thanks for coming | 17:59 |
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| tmcpeak | have a good week! | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vancouver Design Summit (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 28 17:59:24 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-05-28-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-05-28-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| elmiko | thanks tmcpeak ! | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-05-28-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
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| michaelxin | thanks | 17:59 |
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| tkelsey | thans all | 18:00 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Weekly Poppy Meeting | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 28 19:00:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Weekly Poppy Meeting)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'weekly_poppy_meeting' | 19:00 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Roll Call | 19:00 |
| sriram | o/ | 19:00 |
| tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Weekly Poppy Meeting)" | 19:00 | |
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| sriram | \o | 19:01 |
| sriram | o/ | 19:01 |
| * sriram high-fives :) | 19:01 | |
| * amitgandhinz is sriram downing? | 19:01 | |
| amitgandhinz | drowning | 19:01 |
| sriram | \o/ | 19:01 |
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| sriram | more like dancing :P | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | swimming maybe? | 19:02 |
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| obulpathi | o/ | 19:02 |
| sriram | >—o-> | 19:02 |
| * sriram jumps right in | 19:02 | |
| * sriram splash | 19:02 | |
| amitgandhinz | ok lets make this a quick meeting, im not going to go over all the blueprints etc today | 19:03 |
| sriram | ok lets get started | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Last Last Week Today | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Last Last Week Today (Meeting topic: Weekly Poppy Meeting)" | 19:03 | |
| amitgandhinz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly/2015/poppy_weekly.2015-05-07-18.59.html | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | no items from last week | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Vancouver Recap | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vancouver Recap (Meeting topic: Weekly Poppy Meeting)" | 19:04 | |
| amitgandhinz | Okay...quick recap from the vancouver summit regarding poppy | 19:04 |
| tonytan4ever | Looking forward to this one. | 19:04 |
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| amitgandhinz | i think we should start thinking about Big Tent, i think its viable for Poppy to be part of it and it makes sense | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | and its not as crazy as the old graduation stuff was | 19:04 |
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| obulpathi | +1 for Big Tent | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | we should think about this for the liberty cycle | 19:05 |
| sriram | oh thats good to know. | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | i need to look up the exact requirements but we should be reasonably good | 19:05 |
| sriram | so what are the items that need to be shifted to the 'openstack' way? | 19:05 |
| sriram | in order to achieve that? | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | we may need to add devstack | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | we need more diversity | 19:05 |
| sriram | ah yes. | 19:05 |
| sriram | miqui is working on devstack, AFAIK | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | i think those are the two big items | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | ya | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | the Poppy collaboration day was good | 19:06 |
| sriram | with respect to diversity, we need an aggressive campaign lol :P | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | had about 10-12 people in the room | 19:06 |
| obulpathi | if we have miqui from HP and edgecast/verizon + hibernia would be a great addition | 19:06 |
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| amitgandhinz | one person was interested in contributing so hopefully he comes into the channel looking for us | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | we also had a lot of interest by Highwinds CDN | 19:07 |
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| sriram | amitgandhinz: do you remember what his irc handle was? | 19:07 |
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| amitgandhinz | he didnt tell me | 19:07 |
| sriram | we can ping him | 19:07 |
| sriram | aah | 19:07 |
| sriram | ok | 19:07 |
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| sriram | amitgandhinz: can we put an email to the list? | 19:07 |
| sriram | to garner interest? | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | yeh i think we should | 19:07 |
| sriram | or would it just be spamming? | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | i want to get the liberty goals nailed down first | 19:08 |
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| sriram | cool | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | and then we can send out an acommplished and goals for liberty email with a call for contributors | 19:08 |
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| sriram | yeah, makes sense. | 19:08 |
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| obulpathi | +1 | 19:08 |
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| sriram | we should hangout in a lot more channels, just to get a fair audience? | 19:09 |
| sriram | but I guess, that will happen as we adopt more and more of openstack's libraries. | 19:09 |
| sriram | I know there was discussion about integrating some barbican components, perhaps we can hang out there as well. | 19:10 |
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| amitgandhinz | yeh, we need to integrate with barbicans new CA cert ordering api | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | and designate for dns | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | and swift as an origin | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | so there is plenty of exposure we can get | 19:11 |
| sriram | thats a lot of buzz right there ;) | 19:11 |
| tonytan4ever | sounds interesting. | 19:12 |
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| obulpathi | swift as origin would be awesome | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Open Discussion | 19:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Weekly Poppy Meeting)" | 19:12 | |
| sriram | anyone have anything to discuss? | 19:13 |
| sriram | I'm done. | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | me too | 19:13 |
| obulpathi | nothing from me | 19:13 |
| * amitgandhinz wants to get back to hacking =P | 19:13 | |
| sriram | tonytan4ever: ^ | 19:13 |
| tonytan4ever | Nothing from me. | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | ok thanks everyone, quick meeting =) | 19:13 |
| sriram | all right, see ya! | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vancouver Design Summit (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 19:13 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 28 19:13:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/weekly_poppy_meeting/2015/weekly_poppy_meeting.2015-05-28-19.00.html | 19:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/weekly_poppy_meeting/2015/weekly_poppy_meeting.2015-05-28-19.00.txt | 19:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/weekly_poppy_meeting/2015/weekly_poppy_meeting.2015-05-28-19.00.log.html | 19:13 |
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