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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 25 15:00:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
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| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| markstur | hello | 15:00 |
| rraja | hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello everyone | 15:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:00 |
| kaisers_ | Hi | 15:00 |
| xyang | hi | 15:00 |
| u_glide | hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
| zhongjun2 | hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | so you've probably seen the announcements that Liberty-1 is out | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #link https://launchpad.net/manila/liberty/liberty-1 | 15:02 |
| bswartz | lots of bugfixes and the share extend/shrink APIs went it | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | #topic liberty-2 | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "liberty-2 (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:03 | |
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| tbarron | hi | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | #link https://launchpad.net/manila/+milestone/liberty-2 | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | right now there's not much targeted at liberty-2 but I expect that to change | 15:03 |
| xyang | bswartz: can you target this for L-2? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/oversubscription-in-thin-provisioning | 15:04 |
| bswartz | the migration work has started interesting discussions about availability zones and share instances | 15:04 |
| bswartz | xyang: sure! | 15:04 |
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| xyang | bswartz: thanks | 15:04 |
| bswartz | what I wanted to tell everyone is that if you have work targeted for L-2 that's not targeted on launchpad please let me know so I can fix that | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | reviewers use launchpad to prioritize code reviews (at least I do) | 15:05 |
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| * lpabon here | 15:06 | |
| bswartz | and release management relies on Launchpad being up to date to know what's in and what's out of a release | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | if anyone else has blueprints that need targeted, please ping me in IRC or send an email | 15:07 |
| bswartz | #topic CI status update | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/064086.html | 15:07 |
| bswartz | so today is the first of the deadlines set out in the original CI plan for Liberty | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | by now all of the drivers should have maintainers signed up, and maintainers should at least have a good idea of when/how they will implement CI | 15:08 |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-driver-maintainers | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | we have maintainers for all of the drivers except GPFS, and I'm talking to IBM about getting a commitment | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | later today I'm going to send out a new ML post with a reminding about the next deadline and I'll be checking in with all of the driver maintainers to make sure things are on track | 15:09 |
| bswartz | don't be afraid to ask for help | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | it's better to ask for help now if you're not exactly sure how to get CI working because it _will_ take significant time | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | we have people willing to help but they can't help if you don't ask | 15:11 |
| bswartz | btw there are 2 CI systems already reporting | 15:11 |
| cknight | #link: http://ec2-54-67-102-119.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com:5000/?project=openstack%2Fmanila&user=&timeframe=72&start=&end=&page_size=500 | 15:11 |
| bswartz | I'd like to thank both HP and NetApp for setting a good example | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | cknight: that link doesn't render in my browser :-( | 15:12 |
| bswartz | oh there it finally did -- just took about 60 seconds | 15:13 |
| bswartz | looks like HP CI may have hit a snag in the last day or 2 | 15:13 |
| bswartz | markstur: ^ | 15:13 |
| xyang | cknight: I can't open it either. Is that the tracking diagram? | 15:13 |
| markstur | yep | 15:13 |
| cknight | xyang: yes | 15:14 |
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| markstur | I'm on it. Took a little while for me to figure out that it was consistent. | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | any question on CI before we move on? | 15:14 |
| cknight | bswartz: are you satisfied with the CI progress for L-1? Has everyone registered plans? | 15:15 |
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| kaisers_0 | What is meant by 'registered'? | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | cknight: overall, yes. there are some vendors that are definitely behind but they know they're behind and they're working on addressing it | 15:16 |
| bswartz | cknight, kaisers_0: I haven't actually asked anyone to write up a formal plan | 15:16 |
| kaisers_0 | Ok. :) | 15:17 |
| bswartz | I'm willing to take people's word for it that they have a plan. It will become evident very shortly if they don't | 15:17 |
| cknight | bswartz: good enough :-) | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | there's only 5 weeks until the next deadline and 10 weeks until we expect CI systems to be running | 15:18 |
| bswartz | I'll spell all this out in the upcoming ML post | 15:18 |
| bswartz | now that I have contact information I'll be able to start working with individuals on meeting the next deadline before it happens | 15:19 |
| bswartz | okay I think that's enough on CI | 15:19 |
| bswartz | #topic DriverLog | 15:19 |
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| cknight | The DriverLog project on Stackalytics is where you can advertise drivers. | 15:20 |
| bswartz | #link http://stackalytics.com/report/driverlog?project_id=openstack%2Fmanila | 15:20 |
| cknight | We just added the Manila project there, along with the NetApp driver. | 15:20 |
| cknight | Driver maintainers: please follow the wiki instructions to register your drivers. | 15:20 |
| bswartz | yeah I'm not sure who owns driverlog but it's a cool project | 15:20 |
| cknight | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/DriverLog | 15:20 |
| cknight | bswartz: Anything else on this topic? | 15:20 |
| xyang | cknight: thanks for the reminder | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | cknight: is driverlog a required thing for drivers in other projects or is it optional? | 15:21 |
| cknight | bswartz: Don't know, but it's trivial to add. | 15:21 |
| bswartz | should we be requiring all drivers for manila to put something there or should they be motivated by their own self-interest? | 15:21 |
| cknight | bswartz: It seems self-interest would be sufficient, but it's your call. It isn't a big ask. | 15:22 |
| kaisers_0 | Don't see the need to force this. | 15:22 |
| cknight | bswartz: It's a more formal location to register the driver maintainer. | 15:22 |
| kaisers_0 | Our change is waiting on my HD | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | okay, I *suggest* that all the driver maintainer add an entry in driverlog for their manila drivers | 15:23 |
| kaisers_0 | for comitting, just wanted to wait for this meeting.., | 15:23 |
| bswartz | the driverlog project serves as useful documentation for end users so it's worth doing | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | I think that wraps up this topic | 15:24 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1 it includes a link to vendor driver documentation | 15:24 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | okay I didn't have anything else for the meeting today | 15:24 |
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| kaisers_0 | Gratz!! | 15:25 |
| zhongjun2 | I have a question about extend share error | 15:25 |
| zhongjun2 | If extend share failed, the share status will change to ‘extending_error’. This share will not be used. | 15:25 |
| bswartz | for those that wonder what I've been up to I'm revisiting the share replication design proposed in vancouver, based on changes related to availability zones and share instances -- I don't have anything to share yet, but expect an revised proposal for share replication sometime soon | 15:26 |
| bswartz | kaisers_0: ty | 15:26 |
| bswartz | zhongjun2: yes | 15:26 |
| zhongjun2 | I don’t think this method is very appropriate. May be extend share failed should not affect share to use. We can prompt the user extend share fail, and not change the share status. The share status is still ‘avalible’. | 15:26 |
| bswartz | zhongjun2: depending on what happened to cause the failure, the administrator may need to take action to make the share usable again | 15:26 |
| u_glide | bswartz: +1 | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | I suppose if the driver can ensure that the share is in the exact same state it was in before the extend was attempted, then we could put the state back to available -- but that could lead to confusion | 15:27 |
| zhongjun2 | How make the share usable again? | 15:27 |
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| u_glide | admin API reset-state | 15:28 |
| bswartz | zhongjun2: usually shares in error state must be fixed by an administrator -- so in a typical cloud it would involve filing a trouble ticket | 15:28 |
| lpabon | zhongjun2: i think that some systems may be able to have the share usable even it failed to be extended | 15:29 |
| lpabon | like a DB transaction.. some storage systems may be able to go back to a good state automatically on failure to extend | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | lpabon: how would users find out that their extend failed though? | 15:31 |
| bswartz | they might see that the share is available, and assume that it succeeded | 15:31 |
| u_glide | bswartz: I think we could combine mount automation notifications framework with error notifications | 15:31 |
| lpabon | I think that the extension api should fail, but probably the state of the share should be up to the driver | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | do we expect users to check the size of the share to validate that the extend worked? | 15:31 |
| cknight | u_glide: +1 There has to be a way to notify users of share actions without necessarily changing the share status. | 15:32 |
| bswartz | I agree that it's a bad user experience to fail the extend and leave the share in a state where you can't mount it at all | 15:32 |
| lpabon | bswartz: let me make sure we are talking about the same thing. The tenant is the one that extends the share through the API, not the users | 15:32 |
| zhongjun2 | I think that the extension api should fail, but probably the state of the share should be up to the driver. I agree with that | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | lpabon: tenant=user | 15:33 |
| lpabon | Ok, so when the API request comes in, the resize will fail, the user will know because the API returned the error status | 15:33 |
| bswartz | lpabon: like most operations resize is asychronous, so the API will succeed | 15:34 |
| lpabon | O.o | 15:34 |
| lpabon | Being asynchronous it should still be pinged for success | 15:35 |
| bswartz | At least I think it is -- anyone know if I'm wrong? | 15:35 |
| lpabon | the client (horizon or whatever) should ping status of the request | 15:35 |
| xyang | It is the manager who usually updates the status later after the operation is complete | 15:35 |
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| lpabon | submitting the request is different than request status, and I think it is up to the client/server relation to request submittion status | 15:36 |
| bswartz | xyang: yes, but is it usually or is it always? | 15:36 |
| xyang | bswartz: always | 15:36 |
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| u_glide | lpabon: it's well known problem of the openstack | 15:36 |
| xyang | API usually sets status to extending, creating, etc. | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | it could make sense to return a flag from the driver to the manager indicating with the request: (1) succeeded (2) failed with a clean rollback or (3) failed and needs cleanup | 15:37 |
| xyang | manager sets the final status | 15:37 |
| cknight | u_glide: It's consistent with the design tenets, but it brings issues with it that have yet to be solved cleanly. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BasicDesignTenets | 15:37 |
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| lpabon | bummer, well, at least you get the idea of what I mean | 15:37 |
| bswartz | +1 for BasicDesignTenets | 15:38 |
| cknight | lpabon: yep. notifications are being worked by various projects. | 15:38 |
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| cknight | lpabon: heat is planning to use zaqar for async events, and ameade wants to do the same in Manila. | 15:38 |
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| lpabon | cool, so _somehow_ the status of the request (being share extension in this example) would go back to the tenant/user notifying them that it failed | 15:39 |
| cknight | lpabon: yes | 15:39 |
| markstur | even with future better notification... seems like we could still use that flag for 2 kinds of fail | 15:39 |
| lpabon | but.. the status of the share should be up to the driver, depending on what the storage system is capable of | 15:40 |
| lpabon | so maybe the share is still capable of being used even though it failed to extend | 15:40 |
| bswartz | I'd like to point out that our goal should be to make things not fail... | 15:40 |
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| lpabon | bswartz: +10 | 15:40 |
| cknight | bswartz: +10 :-) | 15:40 |
| bswartz | if backends never fail operations like extend, then how we handle the failures becomes a lot less important | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | if an extend failure is a truly exception use case, then it's no big deal if it requires and administrator to fix it, because it implies something really unusual happened | 15:41 |
| u_glide | never-never :) | 15:41 |
| markstur | "Error: something really bad happened. Please try again." ? | 15:42 |
| bswartz | This is how extend is supposed to work: | 15:42 |
| lpabon | markstur: probably: "Error: something really bad happened. Abort, Retry, Fail? | 15:42 |
| bswartz | drivers report their free space to the scheduler -- free space should be usable for extending existing shares | 15:43 |
| cknight | lpabon: :-) | 15:43 |
| bswartz | when user requests to extend a share, the scheduler should check for free space before invoking the driver | 15:43 |
| cknight | bswartz: but it doesn't today | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | if there was a quota problem or a space problem, then the request should get rejected before the driver is ever invoked and the share should remain in available state | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | once driver is invoked, the resize really should succeed unless something we didn't plan for happens | 15:44 |
| bswartz | cknight: which part | 15:44 |
| cknight | bswartz: iirc, the scheduler isn't consulted during extend | 15:45 |
| bswartz | well crap | 15:45 |
| lpabon | bswartz: Hmmm, i'm not sure.. The process of extending storage is quite involved | 15:45 |
| bswartz | that seems like something we should fix | 15:45 |
| cknight | u_glide: is that right? | 15:45 |
| markstur | I think the notification efforts will help by classifying errors in terms that users need-to-know vs admin details | 15:45 |
| bswartz | if we can determine ahead of time that there isn't enough space to extend a share we should not invoke the driver's extend method | 15:46 |
| u_glide | cknight: right | 15:46 |
| markstur | we should have some errors that can suggest retry (like a timeout) | 15:46 |
| zhongjun2 | The 'Thin' share without being limited by the free space. | 15:46 |
| cknight | bswartz: it gets more complicated in thin-provisioning cases, need that to merge first | 15:46 |
| markstur | and others that indicate that admin is needed | 15:46 |
| u_glide | without working tenant notifications, it's just idle talks :) | 15:46 |
| bswartz | lpabon: I'm sure it depends on the backend, but I could see some backends having a very involved process | 15:46 |
| lpabon | bswartz: <cough> netapp</cough> ;-) | 15:46 |
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| cknight | lpabon: -1 the netapp backend just works :-) | 15:47 |
| markstur | Well we could still add that flag that Ben mentioned and have 2 error states for this if it appears necessary. | 15:47 |
| bswartz | lpabon: on netapp a share resize is as easy as changing a number (which is effectively a quota value) | 15:47 |
| lpabon | cknight: lol | 15:47 |
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| lpabon | in glusterfs a storage component must be created and then added to a volume. The volume must accept the volume component and increase the overall size. | 15:48 |
| markstur | extend failed (rolled back) and extend failed (needs cleanup) | 15:48 |
| bswartz | markstur: even if we do what I suggested, that doesn't help the user find out whether his extend was successful or not | 15:48 |
| bswartz | markstur: the user would have to inspect the share size in that case | 15:48 |
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| lpabon | iow, Determine storage size is available is a simple way to detect an early failure, but the execution of extension is still up to the storage system, and it could still fail | 15:49 |
| markstur | How about. Extending... Available. Doesn't that mean it succeeded? | 15:49 |
| bswartz | no if it failed and rolled back to availble | 15:49 |
| cknight | bswartz: an alternative is to add a user-facing "heal" API, which tells the driver to attempt a cleanup from most any failed state and recover to available if possible | 15:49 |
| cknight | bswartz: its friendlier than reset-state | 15:50 |
| bswartz | cknight: -1 | 15:50 |
| bswartz | if users need a heal API it means we're already doing something wrong | 15:50 |
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| lpabon | Let me see if i can summarize: | 15:50 |
| markstur | it's more of a clear notification then isn't it | 15:50 |
| bswartz | the system should heal itself to the extent possible and when it can't it should ask for help (which the admin must provide) | 15:51 |
| lpabon | Tenant wants to resize, scheduler checks for availability to resize and returns failure if there is no room.. If there is, driver executes resize... | 15:51 |
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| lpabon | ... Async call goes back to the client... | 15:51 |
| lpabon | ... Driver does resize... | 15:52 |
| bswartz | lpabon: yes and the size check could be synchronous so it a failed size check could actually fail the API similar to a failed quota check | 15:52 |
| lpabon | ... Success or Failure state is returned.. | 15:52 |
| zhongjun2 | lpabon: The 'Thin' share without being limited by the free space. | 15:52 |
| xyang | We should still have some ways to recover from failure. I don't think we can completely avoid that | 15:52 |
| lpabon | .. driver could decide to continue a usable state or fail the entire share.. | 15:52 |
| bswartz | xyang: recovering from failures is what the admin does, and we give the admin APIs to do that | 15:53 |
| bswartz | like reset-state | 15:53 |
| lpabon | xyang: i'm not sure if Manila should do that | 15:53 |
| xyang | bswartz: ya, that is what I meant | 15:54 |
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| lpabon | probably is a storage management issue | 15:54 |
| xyang | lpabon: we need to be able to sync up manila db and backend status | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | okay 5 minute warning | 15:54 |
| lpabon | xyang: yeah, i agree, that should be up to the driver, imho | 15:54 |
| bswartz | this was an interesting topic, thanks for bringing it up zhongjun2 | 15:55 |
| xyang | lpabon: an admin api that consults driver | 15:55 |
| kaisers_0 | Gotta leave, thanks & bye | 15:55 |
| bswartz | are we in rough agreement about what to do here? | 15:55 |
| lpabon | bswartz: :-) not sure | 15:55 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:55 |
| zhongjun2 | bswartz: :-) | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | I propose that we add a free-space check to extend requests so we don't attempt to extend when there is no space | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | but once the extend request goes to the driver, if it fails then the share goes into error state | 15:56 |
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| markstur | it already checks capacity. You mean check with more live stats? | 15:57 |
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| lpabon | bswartz: -1, sorry, but I do not think the entire share should go into error.. Unless error state allows still usability | 15:57 |
| bswartz | markstur: I heard cknight and u_glide say we don't check capacity -- we only check quota | 15:57 |
| u_glide | https://github.com/openstack/manila/blob/9d78f9ca36e4fc25a4ebe01c78781c126f7ea055/manila/api/contrib/share_actions.py#L145-L150 | 15:57 |
| xyang | markstur: extend share doesn't go thru scheduler, so it doesn't check capacity | 15:58 |
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| cknight | bswartz: might want to wait for "Xing-style" thin provisioning patch to merge | 15:58 |
| markstur | oh | 15:58 |
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| cknight | xyang: (that's what we've been calling it) ;-) | 15:58 |
| xyang | :) | 15:58 |
| bswartz | if we don't plan to check capacity or we can't check capacity then there's a much better case for allowing the driver to fail extends cleanly and roll back to the old size | 15:58 |
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| lpabon | bswartz: yeah | 15:59 |
| bswartz | but in that case we need to communicate to the end user that the extend failed somehow | 15:59 |
| xyang | another possibility is to have every request go to scheduler, but winston abandons that idea for some reason in cinder. I'll check with him on that | 15:59 |
| lpabon | bswartz: probably be better to just pass it to the driver and let it do the magic | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | okay we're at time | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | thanks everyone | 15:59 |
| lpabon | good talk! thanks everyone | 16:00 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 25 16:00:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-06-25-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-06-25-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-06-25-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| u_glide | thanks everyone | 16:00 |
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| kozhukalov_ | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 25 16:01:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kozhukalov_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov_ | #chair kozhukalov_ | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: kozhukalov_ | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov_ | hey guys | 16:02 |
| ikalnitsky | o/ | 16:02 |
| agordeev | o/ | 16:02 |
| docaedo | hi | 16:02 |
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| akislitsky | hi | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov_ | agenda is here | 16:02 |
| angdraug | o/ | 16:02 |
| alex_didenko | hi | 16:02 |
| mihgen | hi guys | 16:02 |
| barthalion | sup | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:02 |
| rmoe | yo | 16:02 |
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| kozhukalov_ | xarses is absent today | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov_ | is he on vacation? | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov_ | does anybody know? | 16:02 |
| xarses_ | sorry, internet issue | 16:02 |
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| kozhukalov_ | xarses_: would you like to be a chair? | 16:03 |
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| xarses_ | sure | 16:03 |
| kozhukalov_ | #chair xarses_ | 16:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: kozhukalov_ xarses_ | 16:03 |
| xarses_ | #topic new role as plugin (ikalnitsky) | 16:03 |
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| ikalnitsky | hi folks! | 16:03 |
| mattymo | hi! | 16:03 |
| ikalnitsky | the basic spec was merged - | 16:04 |
| ikalnitsky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185267/ | 16:04 |
| ikalnitsky | but some details will be added next week. | 16:04 |
| ikalnitsky | the team has started working on implementation, and here's the first patch - | 16:04 |
| ikalnitsky | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195079 | 16:04 |
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| mihgen | great! | 16:05 |
| ikalnitsky | i'm working on refactoring role representation, and i think it will be sent to review at beginning next week. | 16:05 |
| mihgen | very good prorgress. We just need to ensure that other guys are Ok for sure with our approach here… | 16:05 |
| ikalnitsky | unfortunately, i met more troubles with refactoring and much time was spent of meetings of other features | 16:05 |
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| ikalnitsky | yeah, guys, please feel free to review the spec | 16:05 |
| ikalnitsky | even if it's merged | 16:06 |
| mihgen | may be we need to attract some attention in openstack-dev, send it to partners, etc. - like guys, last call to make adjustments if you have any | 16:06 |
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| ikalnitsky | you mean refactoring? i don't think so.. refactoring is fully internal, interfaces are kept | 16:06 |
| mihgen | nope, I was talking about design approach | 16:07 |
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| ikalnitsky | Oh. | 16:07 |
| mihgen | in short, and attach link to the design | 16:07 |
| ikalnitsky | ok, i'll drop a letter | 16:07 |
| mihgen | ikalnitsky: thanks. are we on schedule? | 16:07 |
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| ikalnitsky | yes | 16:07 |
| xarses_ | #action ikalnitsky to bring up role as a plugin on the ML | 16:07 |
| mattymo | xarses_ has appeared! | 16:07 |
| mihgen | ok cool. thanks for pushing it thru difficulties | 16:07 |
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| mihgen | ikalnitsky: did we get QA guys involved? | 16:08 |
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| ikalnitsky | yep, Max Strukov is assigned to the feature | 16:08 |
| ikalnitsky | and he +1 the spec | 16:08 |
| mihgen | ok excellent | 16:08 |
| ikalnitsky | everything's ok | 16:08 |
| mihgen | thanks for status | 16:08 |
| xarses_ | moving on | 16:09 |
| xarses_ | #topic flexible networking (akasatkin) | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "flexible networking (akasatkin) (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:09 | |
| akasatkin | Hi guys! | 16:09 |
| akasatkin | Tickets for networking are updated. | 16:09 |
| akasatkin | Here is the spec for 7.0 part: | 16:09 |
| akasatkin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195109/ | 16:09 |
| akasatkin | Please review the spec! | 16:09 |
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| akasatkin | Template solution is proposed to 7.0 that should allow to have | 16:09 |
| akasatkin | flexible network roles to networks mapping, network roles depended | 16:09 |
| akasatkin | on node roles, flexible low-level topology (e.g. subinterface bonding). | 16:09 |
| akasatkin | Here is the example template: | 16:09 |
| akasatkin | http://paste.openstack.org/show/320988/ | 16:09 |
| akasatkin | Implementation is in progress now. But some details are to be clarified. | 16:09 |
| akasatkin | There are some questions here: | 16:09 |
| akasatkin | 1. How to do networking verification with templates. I thought about two options: | 16:09 |
| akasatkin | a) write template parser that will build input data for net-checker; | 16:09 |
| akasatkin | b) add some metainfo into template that will be passed to net-checker. | 16:09 |
| akasatkin | 2. Some nailgun checks should be disabled as info in DB about networks to | 16:09 |
| akasatkin | interfaces mapping is not consistent. | 16:09 |
| akasatkin | 3. Provide networks L3 settings in template or via networks API. | 16:09 |
| akasatkin | It is not clear how multi-racks tasks for 7.0 may influence on this work as | 16:10 |
| akasatkin | multi-racks scope for 7.0 is not clear. | 16:10 |
| xarses_ | akasatkin: it sounds like multi-rack will be a requirement | 16:10 |
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| akasatkin | yes, but "amount" of it is not clear | 16:11 |
| mihgen | xarses_: akasatkin please do multirack as separate blueprint | 16:11 |
| xarses_ | I was talking to rmoe yesterday about maybe shortening the template some | 16:11 |
| xenolog | I started survey blueprint for multi-rack solution | 16:11 |
| xenolog | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/multi-rack-templated-network | 16:11 |
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| rmoe | I think making the template as concise as possible should be a high priorirty | 16:12 |
| xarses_ | there is a lot of data that we can infer or generate (we don't need to use the full transform scheme) and it will confuse people | 16:12 |
| akasatkin | agree | 16:12 |
| rmoe | editing yaml is error-prone as anybody who has attempted to deploy an env solely through editing the deployment/network yaml | 16:12 |
| rmoe | knows | 16:12 |
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| xarses_ | sounds good | 16:13 |
| mihgen | yeah we don't want to make it overcomplicated… thanks for keeping attention to UX | 16:13 |
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| xarses_ | moving on | 16:13 |
| mihgen | wait | 16:13 |
| xarses_ | yep | 16:14 |
| mihgen | xarses_: are you participating in bp shared by xenolog ? | 16:14 |
| mihgen | multi-rack one? I think it's good to have this as separate bp | 16:14 |
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| xarses_ | no, It's the first I saw it. I will work on it | 16:14 |
| mihgen | I just want to ensure we still keep focus on original template bp for 7.0 | 16:15 |
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| mihgen | akasatkin: thanks for status. Questions are good, I might be able to provide my opinion.. but need to think about those | 16:15 |
| mihgen | so you might want to have some of those in openstack-dev ML so we can get more people to think about it | 16:16 |
| akasatkin | yeah, i'll file a letter | 16:16 |
| mihgen | I would say that we need this templating even if we won't find resources for net-checker | 16:16 |
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| xenolog | For multi-rack I propose make one survey blueprint for disccribing scope of work and set of additional blueprints for each part of work. | 16:16 |
| mihgen | it's gonna be sad, but still way better than have nothing ) | 16:16 |
| xarses_ | #action akasatkin to raise question to ML about how to deal with flexible-networking's impact on network checker | 16:17 |
| mihgen | xenolog: good idea. xarses_ - please work together on this guys | 16:17 |
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| xarses_ | moving along | 16:18 |
| mihgen | akasatkin: for 2 - disable checks - yeah we want flexibility and some of our hardcoded checks drive people crazy | 16:18 |
| mihgen | yep let's move on, thanks guys for status | 16:18 |
| xarses_ | #topic granular deployment (mattymo) | 16:18 |
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| mattymo | Hi everyone | 16:18 |
| mattymo | Over the last week we tried to get code merged for enabling separated services from controller (basically from management VIP). | 16:18 |
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| mattymo | This all has backward compatibility to standard deployment and passes CI, which is awesome | 16:19 |
| mattymo | We also discovered lots of python-side feature gaps. | 16:19 |
| mattymo | We can still meet the feature goals, but UX is going to suffer considerably due to lack of Fuel python resources and other items getting descoped. | 16:19 |
| mattymo | The biggest gaps are related to making API calls from a plugin and OSTF support. | 16:19 |
| mattymo | Our plugin framework can't handle a plugin talking to nailgun and making any changes. | 16:19 |
| mihgen | > making API calls from a plugin - what do you mean by this? | 16:19 |
| mattymo | It can only add tasks and settings metadata (confined to its own tree). Additionally, OSTF only knows about the public VIP of a deployed environment. | 16:19 |
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| xarses_ | mattymo: do we have a good list of these issues? | 16:19 |
| mattymo | xarses_, absolutely. I have a full list | 16:20 |
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| mihgen | mattymo: you might want to share this one in openstack-dev.. I know I have email from you in my mailbox, but would be good to have broad tech audience for those issues | 16:20 |
| mihgen | even if don't find resources now, at least we will start thinking of those.. | 16:20 |
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| mattymo | 1 is environment metadata: such as setting database_server IP address to use an external DB or use pre-created credentials | 16:20 |
| mattymo | the second is making modifications to controller role to unset the hardcoded min number of 1 | 16:21 |
| mihgen | mattymo: this is actually a good candidates to think well of. ikalnitsky - please be in a loop here | 16:21 |
| mattymo | A plugin can't override any metadata generated by the deployment serializer. All it can do is create a task and deploy it | 16:21 |
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| mattymo | mihgen, ikalnitsky and I just got off a meeting where they said it's not possible for 7.0 | 16:21 |
| mihgen | if there are simple things, we will want to make those, if we find free moments.. | 16:22 |
| mihgen | this is sad. nothing possible or we could do some API calls to nailgun? | 16:22 |
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| mihgen | because API is still available, right. It's gonna be bad UX for plugin dev, but still | 16:22 |
| mattymo | mihgen, API calls would be an excellent workaround, but python team strongly objected to adding hooks where a plugin could possibly run them | 16:22 |
| xarses_ | I was thinking that we should extend the plugin metadata with info about api's to call and have nailgun run them when the API is installed | 16:23 |
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| mihgen | ikalnitsky: why so? ^^^ | 16:23 |
| mihgen | I think it's reasonable to allow flexibility here. | 16:23 |
| ikalnitsky | sorry, wait me a sec to read it | 16:23 |
| mihgen | while framework is not ideal, we want to allow almost any type of hacking for a plugin developer, including API calls | 16:23 |
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| ikalnitsky | ok. what we are talking about? | 16:24 |
| ikalnitsky | about api calls from plugins? | 16:24 |
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| mattymo | ikalnitsky, yes | 16:24 |
| alex_didenko | yep | 16:24 |
| ikalnitsky | ok, which ones? | 16:24 |
| ikalnitsky | during installation | 16:24 |
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| ikalnitsky | during deployment? | 16:24 |
| mattymo | deployment | 16:24 |
| ikalnitsky | it's up to you. | 16:24 |
| xarses_ | install too | 16:24 |
| ikalnitsky | plugins know nothing about it | 16:24 |
| mattymo | xarses_, I already have it written and it's tentatively accepted | 16:25 |
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| ikalnitsky | if you write deployment task that perform api call - it's up to you | 16:25 |
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| mattymo | xarses_, waiting on v3 plugin format | 16:25 |
| ikalnitsky | but.. | 16:25 |
| mihgen | if you you call during deployment, thi sis gonna be VERY hacky, I would avoid this | 16:25 |
| ikalnitsky | mihgen, yep, | 16:25 |
| mihgen | during installation of plugin, I think it's fine | 16:25 |
| xarses_ | mattymo: I'd like to make it better than run random code during rpm post-inst | 16:25 |
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| mattymo | xarses_, again it's already in the pipeline. We need on-deployment | 16:25 |
| xarses_ | mihgen: we are already making call during deployment as design for plugin defines a vip | 16:26 |
| ikalnitsky | moreover, if someone wants to call api from plugins during deployment and is waiting that it affects deployment - that's wrong. i mean, we serialize the whole deployment info at once | 16:26 |
| alex_didenko | what exactly do we need from API call in scope of service separation? new roles? but it's already covered in other feature | 16:26 |
| mihgen | mattymo: why do we need api calls during deployment? I think we need to discuss this in ML... | 16:26 |
| mattymo | xarses_, where? is there code for that? | 16:26 |
| rmoe | why can't plugins "hook" into the serialization? like we run the serializer and pass that data to plugins where they can modify it and pass it back to nailgun | 16:26 |
| xarses_ | because calling the API is difficult | 16:26 |
| mihgen | xarses_: for VIPs we are developing solution which won't run API | 16:26 |
| xarses_ | mattymo: I'm not sure there is code, but they are planning to add a puppet provider | 16:26 |
| ikalnitsky | rmoe, because currently plugins don't have any python code | 16:26 |
| ikalnitsky | and there're many questions how we it should be done | 16:27 |
| mihgen | +1 to rmoe | 16:27 |
| ikalnitsky | i just think we don't have resources for this | 16:27 |
| ikalnitsky | but that's a road to go | 16:27 |
| mattymo | +1 to rmoe, but in the absence of that, we get a clunky UX | 16:27 |
| xarses_ | and then add another task to update the value in heira on all the nodes | 16:27 |
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| mattymo | xarses_, can I finish my update on separating services from controller? | 16:28 |
| xarses_ | please | 16:28 |
| mihgen | this is all not good… mattymo please start ML thread on this. We want to carefully think and figure out best solution for 7.0 and think about beyond… | 16:28 |
| mattymo | We've descoped OSTF from 7.0 for this role. No resources available to handle evaluation of new endpoints. | 16:28 |
| mattymo | for this blueprint, rather | 16:29 |
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| mattymo | and on the Puppet side we've made a lot of traction to get code merged for detached services. The next big tasks are related to client-driven keystone/mysql endpoint and db creation | 16:29 |
| mattymo | </done> | 16:30 |
| mattymo | xarses_, can you add an action item for me for what mihgen said? | 16:30 |
| xenolog | Matthew, did you saw new network roles? | 16:30 |
| xarses_ | for the plugin - api topic? | 16:31 |
| mattymo | xenolog, yes but I was told it might not reach 7.0 | 16:31 |
| mihgen | xarses_: this one: this is all not good… mattymo please start ML thread on this. We want to carefully think and figure out best solution for 7.0 and think about beyond… | 16:31 |
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| mihgen | that's about all plugin complexity, yes | 16:31 |
| xenolog | It should be already merged. | 16:31 |
| xarses_ | yes, but context is around plugin and API handeling? | 16:31 |
| mihgen | xarses_: yes | 16:32 |
| xarses_ | #action mattymo will start thread in ML about needs for plugins to call API's to get their things done | 16:32 |
| xarses_ | moving on | 16:32 |
| xarses_ | #topci SSL status (sbog) | 16:32 |
| xarses_ | #topic SSL status (sbog) | 16:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "SSL status (sbog) (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:32 | |
| kozhukalov_ | sbog: around? | 16:33 |
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| kozhukalov_ | let's postpone this topic and move one | 16:34 |
| kozhukalov_ | let's postpone this topic and move on | 16:34 |
| mattymo | xarses_, kozhukalov_ it appears he is indisposed | 16:34 |
| xarses_ | #topic nailgun volume manager (prmtl, kozhukalov) | 16:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nailgun volume manager (prmtl, kozhukalov) (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:34 | |
| kozhukalov_ | here is the spec | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194201 | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov_ | not merged yet | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov_ | review is welcome, there are comments I need to address | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov_ | we've decided to split it into two separate tasks | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov_ | 1) re-work volume manager as nailgun extension | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov_ | 2) implement dynamic volume allocation stuff in terms of Fuel Agent | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov_ | and then use this stuff in nailgun extension importing necessary modules from Fuel Agent | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov_ | I've synced this approach with partition preservation feature (Artur Svechnikov) | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov_ | AFAIK, Sebastian is still learning the current code | 16:35 |
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| kozhukalov_ | ideally, new volume manager is to take into account plenty of parameters when allocating volumes | 16:35 |
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| kozhukalov_ | including disk types and disk performace | 16:36 |
| kozhukalov_ | but i suggest to limit this feature for 7.0 by size driven allocation | 16:36 |
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| kozhukalov_ | our current volume manager is only size driven | 16:36 |
| xarses_ | Seems fantastic, how will this impact the allocation DSL for the roles? | 16:36 |
| kozhukalov_ | yes, good point | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov_ | i need to add an example | 16:37 |
| mihgen | kozhukalov_: it seems to be over risky for 7.0, so please be very careful here. We don't really want to take huge pieces of code which are not production-tested. | 16:37 |
| mihgen | let's think how we can make it experimental first | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov_ | but it is not going to change this significantly | 16:37 |
| mihgen | is sebastian here? | 16:38 |
| kozhukalov_ | mihgen: ok, i will think | 16:38 |
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| kozhukalov_ | mihgen: no, we was not going to be here today | 16:38 |
| kozhukalov_ | mihgen: no, he was not going to be here today | 16:38 |
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| kozhukalov_ | extension related stuff is going to be ready during next 2 weeks | 16:39 |
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| kozhukalov_ | evgeniyl___: is working on it | 16:39 |
| mihgen | ok. do you cover pluggabiility here? | 16:39 |
| mihgen | so that when you define new role/task in plugin, you can specify disk layout needed? | 16:39 |
| evgeniyl___ | mihgen: it's not about plugins at all. | 16:40 |
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| evgeniyl___ | mihgen: it's about splitting our current architecture into the modules | 16:40 |
| mihgen | evgeniyl___: that's ok | 16:40 |
| evgeniyl___ | mihgen: so each group of developers will be able to work on their own part | 16:40 |
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| mihgen | but that's different | 16:40 |
| kozhukalov_ | we've discussed this (pluggability) and it looks like when you have flat data structure it is easy to append and remove volumes for plugins if they need | 16:40 |
| mihgen | append/remove volumes per plugin, or per role defined by plugin, or per task defined by plugin? | 16:41 |
| mihgen | I just want to ensure we make it plugin-aware from the day #1 | 16:41 |
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| kozhukalov_ | if plugin needs to introduce new volume it will use volume manager api | 16:42 |
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| kozhukalov_ | calling append and remove volumes | 16:42 |
| mihgen | during plugin install time? | 16:42 |
| kozhukalov_ | calling append and remove methods | 16:42 |
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| mihgen | do i assume right that UX of plugin dev would be just define YAML with similar piece which we have in release yaml | 16:43 |
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| mihgen | for particular role | 16:43 |
| mihgen | and that's it. API calls will be done by whether fbp or something else | 16:43 |
| evgeniyl___ | kozhukalov_: mihgen plugins does not call anything, plugin will provide a role, in this role is description of role specific volumes | 16:44 |
| mihgen | evgeniyl___: that's what I meant, thank you | 16:44 |
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| mihgen | ok thanks guys, no more questions from my side her | 16:45 |
| mihgen | here& | 16:45 |
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| xarses_ | #topic removing classic provisioning (agordeev) | 16:46 |
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| agordeev | hi | 16:46 |
| agordeev | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/remove-classic-provisioning | 16:46 |
| agordeev | Here is the updated version of specs | 16:46 |
| agordeev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193588 | 16:46 |
| agordeev | The scoping isn't finished. I hope that all agreements will be reached on Monday, Jun 29. | 16:46 |
| agordeev | Among devs we've come to conclusion that IBP will be used after upgrade to provision new nodes for existent old envs for 5.0, 5.1, 6.0, 6.1. | 16:46 |
| agordeev | In order to get this done, fuel-agent will be improved to be able to built ubuntu precise images. Also images with centos for 5.0, 5.1 will be built. | 16:47 |
| agordeev | Combined together those steps should allow to provision a node via IBP for all envs which we want to support. | 16:47 |
| agordeev | Additionally, those steps will bring a lot of job to QA. It's still questionable as we want to reduce QA scope by disabling classic provisioning. | 16:47 |
| mihgen | agordeev: why 5.0, 5.1, 6.0 under consideration? | 16:48 |
| mihgen | we might want to support only 6.0 after upgdading to 6.1 | 16:48 |
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| agordeev | mihgen: confirmation of scope should be aligned with top management | 16:48 |
| mihgen | and restrict scale up story for envs if there are any running <6.0 code | 16:48 |
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| mihgen | agordeev: with product management you mean, and that's ok. let's do this. | 16:49 |
| agordeev | it's the most preffered option for us to implement | 16:49 |
| xarses_ | are we going to wait until near the end of the cycle to merge it since we don't know how well IBP works for many deployments yet? | 16:49 |
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| mihgen | agordeev: what would be the ideal solution from engineering perspective here, not taking into account anything else? | 16:50 |
| agordeev | xarses_: sorry, i have no information about that. | 16:50 |
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| agordeev | mihgen: it's exaclty what was said. To support IBP for 5.0, 5.1, 6.0, 6.1 | 16:50 |
| mihgen | if we want to support 6.1 -> 7.0 upgrade for instance, and want to scale up env with 6.1 | 16:51 |
| mihgen | nope, I mean what is the easiest | 16:51 |
| agordeev | mihgen: otherwise, additional improvements need to be done to let introduce disabling for 5.0 or 5.1 envs, for example | 16:51 |
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| mihgen | I don't mean to support eveyrhitng till 1.0 | 16:51 |
| agordeev | mihgen: yep, it's the easiest. | 16:51 |
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| mihgen | to confirm - easiest is to support only 6.1? | 16:51 |
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| mihgen | will scale up be IBP based, if it was provisioned with classical before? is it easier than to use classic for old envs? | 16:52 |
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| mihgen | agordeev: limitation to not to scale up envs with <6.1 can be an easy hack in nailgun | 16:52 |
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| agordeev | mihgen: easier to support building images for all other envs too. To disable only particilara version of envs, there's no avaialable method yet | 16:53 |
| xarses_ | "not scale up" what does this mean? | 16:53 |
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| mihgen | xarses_: add nodes to old envs | 16:53 |
| mihgen | and provision&deploy them | 16:53 |
| xarses_ | so then old deployments can not upgrade past 6.1? | 16:54 |
| xarses_ | that sounds bad | 16:54 |
| mihgen | ok I got you, agordeev. Let's ask product management's opinion on this. I'll be defending that we want to drop support of scale up story for envs <6.1 | 16:54 |
| agordeev | mihgen: it might be not easier to introduce limitations for different version. That's the point | 16:54 |
| mihgen | agordeev: how comes, simplest hack in deploy handler | 16:55 |
| mihgen | you click deploy and there is hack which verifies version | 16:55 |
| xarses_ | mihgen: then, like i said the max a fuel can be upgraded priort to 6.1, is 6.1 | 16:55 |
| xarses_ | s/priort/prior | 16:55 |
| mihgen | xarses_: use case is: you had 6.0 env, upgraded master to 6.1, then to 7.0 | 16:55 |
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| mihgen | and now you want to add couple nodes to old 6.0 env | 16:55 |
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| mihgen | so my suggestion would be to upgrade your openstack to 7.0 | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | ok guys do we have time for sbog ? | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | I'd like to get status of SSL .. | 16:56 |
| xarses_ | sbog, are you here? | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | agordeev: let me know if you don't get feedback from product management pls | 16:56 |
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| agordeev | mihgen: ok | 16:57 |
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| xarses_ | seem like sbog, is not here still | 16:58 |
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| xarses_ | #topic open discuss | 16:58 |
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| xarses_ | we have 2 min, any other topics any one wants to raise? | 16:59 |
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| agordeev | is it planned or discussed somehow to support multipath disks? | 16:59 |
| mihgen | kilo… and sync of upstream manifests | 16:59 |
| mihgen | not for 2min though | 16:59 |
| mihgen | let's have it for the next meeting .. | 16:59 |
| xarses_ | mihgen: lets add it to next week | 16:59 |
| xarses_ | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 25 17:00:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-06-25-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-06-25-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-06-25-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| mihgen | agordeev: I hear about this only occasionally… looks like no hard demand | 17:00 |
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| mihgen | in comparison with other stories | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 25 17:00:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| mihgen | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | o\ | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | o/ | 17:00 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:00 |
| redrobot | o/ | 17:00 |
| browne | hi | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | Hey everyone | 17:00 |
| Daviey | \o | 17:00 |
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| bknudson | hi | 17:01 |
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| dg_ | hey | 17:01 |
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| sicarie | o/ | 17:01 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 17:01 |
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| jian5397 | hi, all | 17:01 |
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| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: I'm on call atm can you kick off please? The agenda is on the wiki | 17:02 |
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| tmcpeak | yep | 17:02 |
| elmiko | o/ | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/OpenStackSecurity#2015 | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | lol, read my mind | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | ok, let's save midcycle for when hyakuhei gets back | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Anchor Update | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | oh crap, I can't :) | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Anchor Update | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | tkelsey, dg | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | take it away | 17:03 |
| tkelsey | yo | 17:03 |
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| tkelsey | so this week and last we had a bunch of patches to bring us Py3 compat | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | im not sure how far along we are but we are very clos e | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | saw that, that's awesome | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | i'll be looking to add a py3 gate this coming week | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | we need to still viraptor for Bandit ;) | 17:04 |
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| tkelsey | and thats all I have on Anchor :) | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | *steal | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | ok sweet | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | emm | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Bandit | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | ? | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: ^ | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | cool | 17:05 |
| tkelsey | plugins via stevedore | 17:05 |
| tkelsey | :) | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | so sigmavirus24 has been working a ton of magic | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | we have proper plugins now, and are almost ready to push a new version to PyPI | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | but... | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | I noticed a new bug :( | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | not new, but I noticed it now | 17:06 |
| tkelsey | oh? | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bandit/+bug/1467636 | 17:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1467636 in Bandit "Incorrect line number in results" [High,New] | 17:06 |
| tkelsey | ah yeah | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | basically this is a function of how AST works for multiline statements that are included in ( ) | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | it squashes them all onto the first line and reports them as one line | 17:06 |
| tkelsey | somthing that the statement buffer work could fix? | 17:07 |
| tkelsey | I have a bit of a plan for that, if I ever get time to work on it | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | so while our actual issue may occur on line x+3, it's reported as x, which means that the actual line containing the issue might be out of the display window | 17:07 |
| Daviey | What about using the line that the command start on, seems an easy enough reference to assist debug? | 17:07 |
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| tmcpeak | tkelsey: statement buffer is going to have to be part of it because to fix it we need to know where the next statement begins and then walk backwards | 17:08 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: yeah | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | Daviey: yeah, we currently have that, but it's not a great user experience to not actually see the issue in the output, it makes it look like we're detecting false positives | 17:08 |
| tkelsey | that should be ok actually, with what i have in mind | 17:08 |
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| tmcpeak | so yeah, I'd like to fix that, but I'm open to input on whether it's worth waiting for that before we pin a new version | 17:09 |
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| Daviey | tmcpeak: can AST not allow rollback to the start of the command (before the () ) ? | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | we have so much good stuff that's been added, would nice to get that all in PyPI and usable by projects, but I have some strange thing in my mind about pushing a new numbered version with a known bug | 17:09 |
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| tkelsey | tmcpeak: yeah, feels wrong | 17:10 |
| Daviey | Release Early.. Release Often | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | Daviey: it can, but for something like insecure tmp file usage (where I noticed this) we're looking for "/tmp" in a string, the string statement itself is what we're looking for, the preceding statement doesn't really have anything to do with it | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | and yeah, those two ^ philosophies are the internal head struggle I'm having | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | so I guess,… | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | chair6: thoughts? | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: thoughts | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | browne: thoughts | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | sigmavirus24: thoughts? | 17:11 |
| redrobot | +1 release with known defects in release notes | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | oh, crap, that reminds me | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | we have two new Bandit cores! | 17:11 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: I agree with redrobot | 17:11 |
| tkelsey | so long as its documented | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | congratulations sigmavirus24 and browne! | 17:11 |
| bknudson | congrats | 17:11 |
| browne | yeah, i'd say release, and plan to relesae another one soon | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool, settled then | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | we'll post up a new version and put it as a known defect | 17:12 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:12 |
| dg_ | good work on the cores :) | 17:12 |
| elmiko | congrats! | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | cool, I'll work on that, probably get that new version up this week | 17:12 |
| tkelsey | :) | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | #topic OpenStack Secure Guide Update | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: ^ | 17:13 |
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| tmcpeak | :^/ | 17:13 |
| sicarie | haha | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | ok, let's go ahead anyway | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | sicarie: take it away | 17:14 |
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| sicarie | So the big thing is that we're going to convert from docbook to rst format | 17:14 |
| sicarie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1463111 | 17:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1463111 in openstack-manuals "OpenStack Security Guide - Convert to RST format" [High,Triaged] | 17:14 |
| sicarie | pdesai is goign to submit a bp in the sec-spec repo and we're going to move on that as quickly as possible | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | what's involved in this? | 17:14 |
| sicarie | during which we are going to freeze changes | 17:14 |
| sicarie | tmcpeak: it's in the bug | 17:14 |
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| sicarie | there are automated tools to convert, but then manual validation (and some touch-ups) are required | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | RTFM? :'( | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | ahh, cool | 17:15 |
| sicarie | yep, the doc team is so far offering their support - hopefully nothing big drops on them while we're doing ours :) | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | that's cool, they're very helpful that doc team | 17:16 |
| sicarie | Other than that we haven't frozen contributions yet, so please feel free to grab a bug | 17:16 |
| sicarie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack/+bugs?field.tag=sec-guide | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | fair amount to pick from :) | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:17 |
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| tmcpeak | anything else for the guide? | 17:17 |
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| sicarie | yep, we have some good reviewers and submitters that do good low-hanging-fruit | 17:17 |
| sicarie | nope | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | #topic OSSN | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: ^ | 17:17 |
| Daviey | many of the tagged sec-bugs are pretty crappy tbh | 17:17 |
| bknudson | all bugs are crappy | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder: ^ | 17:17 |
| sicarie | Daviey: sec-bugs or sec-guide bugs? | 17:18 |
| michaelxin | confused here too | 17:18 |
| Daviey | sicarie: sec-guide, sorry | 17:18 |
| Daviey | ie, https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1447759 | 17:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1447759 in openstack-manuals "Networking services in OpenStack Security Guide - Rewrite for clarity" [Medium,Triaged] | 17:18 |
| sicarie | Daviey: do you have a few minutes after - I'd be very interested in getting some feedback on how to improve the existing bugs | 17:18 |
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| Daviey | lots of bugs tagged tred, but well.. not | 17:18 |
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| bknudson | if it's not a valid bug then close it | 17:19 |
| bknudson | incomplete or invalid | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:19 |
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| bknudson | if was incomplete and then it was changed to triaged instead? | 17:20 |
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| bknudson | *it* was | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | so yeah, Daviey, elmiko, sicarie, bnudson - maybe you guys can synch after in #openstack-security ? | 17:20 |
| sicarie | bknudson: it was, there was an update made to the intent | 17:20 |
| Daviey | Triaged implies it is ready to be fixed, with a known direction | 17:20 |
| sicarie | tmcpeak: sure | 17:20 |
| elmiko | usually the triaged ones are discussed during the weekly sec-guide meeting. i'm curious what we could do better as well | 17:20 |
| Daviey | tmcpeak: sure | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | awesome | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | seems like there's a good conversation to be had and don't want to rush you guys :) | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | ok, so nkinder isn't around for OSSN | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | but... | 17:21 |
| elmiko | as for OSSN, i've got this one up #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194416/ | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://launchpad.net/ossn | 17:22 |
| elmiko | could use a few more eyes on it | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | seems like we've got a few good ones in the New category we should look at | 17:22 |
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| tmcpeak | elmiko: cool, haven't looked at yours yet | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | I'll check it out after the meeting | 17:23 |
| elmiko | tnx | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | seems like we're building a queue though | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | we should probably go through some of these and either decide to write or not write OSSNs | 17:23 |
| elmiko | one outstanding question we had was whether ironic should be listed as affected in that ossn. seemed like no, but not entirely sure. | 17:24 |
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| tmcpeak | elmiko: hmm, ok cool, I'll check it out and throw in my .02 | 17:24 |
| elmiko | cool | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | lol dg: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1163569 | 17:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1163569 in OpenStack Security Notes "security groups don't work with vip and ovs plugin" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Steven Weston (steve.weston) | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | this one still | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | :P | 17:25 |
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| tmcpeak | I remember this | 17:25 |
| sicarie | is that the one that has a -1 from docs on capitalization | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | no, this is the one that never gets written because Neutron confuses people | 17:26 |
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| tmcpeak | so yeah, we can pick this up again next week if nkinder is around | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | hmm, hyakuhei: you back yet? | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | seems like we should discuss the midcycle, but that's really his baby | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | well I can get it started | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | has everybody who is interested expressed their interest here? | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | we'll want to finalize dates today | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-liberty-midcycle | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | if you want to come and think you might be able to, please write your name at the top and put your name next to all dates you can make it | 17:28 |
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| tmcpeak | so I think what we'll probably end up doing is majority rule on the dates, sounds fair? | 17:29 |
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| tmcpeak | I'll give a few minutes for everybody that wants to update the doc to do so | 17:30 |
| Daviey | Interested, but no chance of funding. | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | Daviey: fair enough, you're over the pond, aren't you? | 17:30 |
| elmiko | similar, interested but not sure about budget | 17:30 |
| Daviey | yah. | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: fair enough | 17:30 |
| * redrobot is also in the broke boat | 17:30 | |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | Sorry I went afk - just heard that Mrs. Hyakuhei has been in a small car accident. Seems to be ok though. | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | woah, crappy man | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | :\ | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | Yarp | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | So talking about the mid-cycle ? | 17:31 |
| elmiko | = | 17:31 |
| redrobot | hyakuhei :-O glad she's ok. | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | yeha, we blew through the rest of the topics | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | cool | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | saved this one for you | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | #topic midcycle | 17:31 |
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| dg_ | eeep! | 17:31 |
| elmiko | yea, glad to hear she's ok | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | take it away :) | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | So i'd like to get two dates/options lined up. One primary one secondary. | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | As both will require various approvals/sponsorship etc | 17:32 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | from the etherpad it looks like we have a clear choice for those two | 17:32 |
| browne | wait, how many times can you vote for a site? | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | Both the late august ones? | 17:32 |
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| hyakuhei | Just put your name by anything you can make it to | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | yeah | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | or would be prepared to get to | 17:33 |
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| hyakuhei | nkinder not here? | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | nopes | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | ok well we need to decide soon | 17:34 |
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| tmcpeak | let's decide now :) | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | then we can firm down a location | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | So Seattle seems like the preferred location and actually isn't that weighted by HP | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: can you make it August 24-28? | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | Well it is but half the HP folk on that list aren't from Seattle | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: Mrs.Hyakuhei isn't going to like it but yes, probably | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | right, most of the HP people on the list are going to have to travel no matter what | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | yarp | 17:36 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok so locations: Seattle Primary, Rackspace Austin Backup ? | 17:36 |
| bknudson | works for me | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | that sounds reasonable | 17:36 |
| browne | sounds good | 17:36 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:36 |
| redrobot | oooh.... I might be able to make Austin | 17:36 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 17:36 |
| dg_ | +1 | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | Ok... dates. | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | Both august dates have 6 people by them | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | This number tends to swell a little before it happens | 17:37 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah, I'm going to try to convince sigmavirus to come also :) | 17:38 |
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| hyakuhei | cool | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | how to pick man ? | 17:38 |
| browne | only diff between the 2 august dates are hyakuhei and I | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | and I | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | I'll send a mail out to openstack-dev this evening, see if anyone tips the scales for us. | 17:39 |
| browne | that sounds good | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | ok, is there some way we can decide before next week though? | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | browne come a week earlier and it's all good. tmcpeak has no choice in the matter. | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | if it's going to be that earlier weekend I really should know sooner than later | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | hahahaha | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: Yeah I'll make a command decision. | 17:40 |
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| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:40 |
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| tmcpeak | hah, tkelsey tipped it ;) | 17:40 |
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| dg_ | sorted | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | so we'll look for that email tonight/tomorrow? | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | yeah | 17:41 |
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| hyakuhei | damn it tkelsey put your name somewhere useful. | 17:41 |
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| tmcpeak | hahaha | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | I've got a nice shiny beer for you if you do the needful | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | tkelsey: Put your name by everything you _could_ make | 17:42 |
| tkelsey | i would, but the dates are not great for me, ill add a few options | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | There's a few missing like bknudson - can you make any dates ? | 17:42 |
| bknudson | I can make all the dates | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | sicarie tipped it ;) | 17:43 |
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| sicarie | well, I think those may be dependent on travel budget, and I'm pretty sure 'm going to be the odd man out this time if it's not in SEA | 17:44 |
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| sicarie | but that's just a guess, not anything I've actually checked on | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey:!!! | 17:44 |
| tkelsey | sorry to be that guy, august is bad for me | 17:45 |
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| hyakuhei | For a lot of us I think | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | First week Sept could work, though it's getting a little late, we tend to use these as much of sprints as planning | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | allright hyakuhei -as riveting as this is, we'll wait for the final call from you ;) | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | I for sure couldn't do that week | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | As our planning stuff is around small contained projects. | 17:46 |
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| tmcpeak | and by for sure couldn't do, I mean it would suck but I'll make it :) | 17:46 |
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| hyakuhei | ok I threw another one there. | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | We do need to tie this off shortly, though I'm not going to rush it if we can make something work | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: can you ping fletcher? | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | I'll try | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | michaelxin: We've added a date to the potential mid-cycle calendar | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | sicarie: thoughts on Sept 1st ? | 17:48 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: Got it. Thanks. | 17:48 |
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| hyakuhei | cool | 17:48 |
| michaelxin | it should work for me | 17:48 |
| sicarie | me as well | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | looks good | 17:49 |
| bknudson | Sept 1 works for me, too | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | allright, we can do that one | 17:49 |
| michaelxin | Have to multitask today. Sorry. | 17:49 |
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| hyakuhei | no worries that's why I pinged you. | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | I'll talk to the apl guys | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | dg_: ^^ | 17:50 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: Thanks. | 17:50 |
| dg_ | yeah sept is probably doable atm | 17:50 |
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| hyakuhei | Looks like that's probably a winner. Does anyone object to that being too late? | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | it's fine | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | I think so | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | still 2 mos before the summit? | 17:51 |
| bknudson | we're not planning blueprints so later is fine | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | Yeh | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent. | 17:51 |
| browne | it works | 17:51 |
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| tmcpeak | ok cool, sorted then? | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, I'll still send a mail to -dev but that will be telling people about our proposed date. | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | Yarp | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | so how do we pick a place? | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | We already did | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | Seattle? | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | Seattle Primary, Austin Backup | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | that's what I mean | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | what's the backup for | 17:52 |
| michaelxin | hah | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | In case something happens that means we have to change plans. | 17:52 |
| redrobot | location HA? | 17:52 |
| bknudson | I'll need to know which one since I'm not going to get tickets for both. | 17:52 |
| dg_ | +! | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:52 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:52 |
| browne | in case of Seattle natural disaster | 17:53 |
| dg_ | zombies | 17:53 |
| michaelxin | do not scare us | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | bknudson: Sure so I can get the OK from HP in a day or so | 17:53 |
| browne | lol | 17:53 |
| bknudson | invasion from canada | 17:53 |
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| hyakuhei | :) | 17:53 |
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| hyakuhei | ok so I think that's sorted. | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | yep, sorted | 17:54 |
| sicarie | For those interested, there's a container networking meeting in #openstack-meeting in 5 min | 17:54 |
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| hyakuhei | Is this about all that TLS stuff? | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | #topic any other business | 17:55 |
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| bknudson | I'll propose making bandit voting in keystone soon. | 17:55 |
| sicarie | hyakuhei: as far as I know it's the magnum group looking at networking in general | 17:55 |
| redrobot | Just a review request for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186617/10 | 17:55 |
| bknudson | it was approved at the meeting on tuesday | 17:55 |
| redrobot | seems reasonable to me, but I'd like to get some OSSG feedback | 17:55 |
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| shelleea007 | sicarrie: Thanks! | 17:55 |
| * sicarie is a pirrrrate | 17:56 | |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: awesome!!! | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | first Bandit vote gate :) | 17:56 |
| sicarie | +1 very cool | 17:56 |
| tkelsey | w00t | 17:56 |
| dg_ | sweet! | 17:56 |
| Daviey | for which project? | 17:56 |
| browne | bknudson: before going to voting, should we have some infra to breaking new versions of bandit breaking you | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | Keystone | 17:56 |
| Daviey | Nice | 17:56 |
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| bknudson | browne: what does that mean? | 17:57 |
| Daviey | tmcpeak: Is it testing from bandit trunk or pypi? | 17:57 |
| browne | … some infra so new versions of bandit don't break keystone… bad typing | 17:57 |
| bknudson | pypi | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | PyPI | 17:57 |
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| browne | does keystone use >= in requirements.txt? | 17:57 |
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| bknudson | you mean a test in bandit? | 17:57 |
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| bknudson | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/requirements/tree/global-requirements.txt#n221 | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | I always run fairly extensive tests on Keystone before I push anything, but I'm not planning to do that for all projects, so something like that would be useful | 17:58 |
| bknudson | bandit in global-requirements in >= | 17:58 |
| bknudson | *is* >= | 17:58 |
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| Daviey | tmcpeak: Is keystone bandit 1.0 compliant ? | 17:58 |
| bknudson | if you're planning to put out a breaking release then cap it | 17:59 |
| Daviey | exactly. | 17:59 |
| browne | ok | 17:59 |
| browne | np, then | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | looks like we're out of time | 17:59 |
| bknudson | also, don't put out breaking releases | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | we can go to #openstack-security though | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, breaking releases are bad | 18:00 |
| Daviey | we need to put out breaking releases! | 18:00 |
| tmcpeak | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: ^ :) | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hey sahara folks ;) | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | SergeyLukjanov: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 18:00 |
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| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| tellesnobrega | hi | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 25 18:00:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| weiting | Hi | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-06-25-17.00.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-06-25-17.00.txt | 18:01 |
| hyakuhei | ^ sorry guys | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-06-25-17.00.log.html | 18:01 |
| huichun | hello | 18:01 |
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| tmcpeak | sorry SergeyLukjanov :) | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tmcpeak, hyakuhei, hey, no problem ;) | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 25 18:01:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:01 |
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| tosky | hi | 18:01 |
| NikitaKonovalov | hi | 18:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any updates? | 18:03 |
| NikitaKonovalov | no updates from me here as I've been busy with non-ui stuff | 18:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and Chad is not here | 18:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, let's move on and return back to this topic if he'll join us later | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | the L1 successfully released! yay! | 18:04 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I've been working on HDP plugin: scaling support for non-ha clusters. Now, I'm working on HA support | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info L1 released, note that it's a 3.0.0.0b1 tag in sahara, sahara-image-elements and sahara-extra repositories | 18:05 |
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| fletcher_ | hello tmcpeak :) | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hm, let's wait for a few mins, sounds like not many folks joined :( | 18:07 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | vgridnev, any news? :) | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, ? | 18:08 |
| vgridnev | I already finished auto-tune configs and asking you guys for review | 18:09 |
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| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: nothing too much, I'm working internally at the moment | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, sounds it'll be very short meeting today :) | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:09 |
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| tosky | waiting for the "split the tests" specs, and looking at the patches for scenario tests :) | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | anyone wants to discuss something? | 18:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I'm finishing internal tasks and will return back to specs early next week, hopefully push all of them in a first half of the week | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, ^^ | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sorry about the delay | 18:10 |
| tosky | sure, sue | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, have you seen custom checks? | 18:11 |
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| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: yep, even if they are "the" checks, so the "custom" part of the name could be dropped imho, but not something I would spend too much time | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, yeah, the custom word isn't so meaningful :) | 18:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh | 18:13 |
| huichun | we are also confusing by "custom" in scenario test | 18:13 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I think that we need probably to correct a bit spec for this checks | 18:14 |
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| tellesnobrega | i'm writing the spec for multiple clusters in client at most next week and i may need some help to implement the horizon part | 18:14 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | IMO they should be running automagically when corresponding service enabled (I mean re checks for HBase, Impala, etc. | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, huichun ^^ | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tellesnobrega, I think NikitaKonovalov could help with it, it should be very simple patch | 18:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tellesnobrega, so, you finally decided to do it in the python client? | 18:15 |
| tosky | SergeyLukjanov: does this mean adding a detection mechanism in the test code, based on the configured servers from yaml, right? | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, probably yes | 18:15 |
| tellesnobrega | SergeyLukjanov, just implementing the new parameter --count in the create call to create multiple | 18:15 |
| tellesnobrega | the code is on the server with a new api entry | 18:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tellesnobrega, ack | 18:16 |
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| tosky | automatic check based on the available server makes sense, I guess | 18:16 |
| tellesnobrega | in the horizon we will have a box with a number selector | 18:16 |
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| tellesnobrega | thats about it | 18:16 |
| NikitaKonovalov | tellesnobrega: ping me if you have any questions about our horizon panels | 18:16 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | adding one parameter is not a hard thing to do | 18:17 |
| NikitaKonovalov | (getting it merged is another thing) | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, :) | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, hey! | 18:17 |
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| crobertsrh | hi...sorry I'm a bit late. | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | NikitaKonovalov, do you probably know anything about moving sahara to the contrib/ dir? | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, ^^ | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, any news? | 18:18 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | SergeyLukjanov: no news on that | 18:18 |
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| crobertsrh | Not much progress. I have another patch queued-up for editing data sources, but not much progress on anything else, including reviews. | 18:18 |
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| crobertsrh | I suspect that the contrib/ move is still going to happen, but I have not heard the timeframe (I missed yesterday's horizon meeting though). | 18:19 |
| david-lyle | SergeyLukjanov: I'm working on the move, testing transition is proving to be the sticking point at the moment | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | david-lyle, great, thx! | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | david-lyle, if you'll need help on infra side - please, ping, I'll be glad to +2 ;) | 18:20 |
| david-lyle | more around having separable test config in horizon | 18:20 |
| david-lyle | hopefully will be resolved soon | 18:20 |
| tosky | david-lyle: will the move also affect the integration tests, or is this about unit tests? | 18:21 |
| david-lyle | tosky: both | 18:21 |
| david-lyle | double the fun | 18:21 |
| tellesnobrega | NikitaKonovalov, sure, thanks | 18:21 |
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| tosky | david-lyle: ah! Is there some guideline or instruction to follow to fix stuff, or a draft of the process to understand where things could break? | 18:22 |
| david-lyle | tosky: that's part of what I'm working on, Sahara happens to be the guinea pig | 18:22 |
| tosky | >.< | 18:23 |
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| tosky | ok, let's see | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we should remember about need to update the way how horizon packaged - to include sahara from contrib/ | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | :) | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | david-lyle, from the users point of view, nothing will be changed, am I right? like Sahara will be under Projects in Horizon? | 18:26 |
| david-lyle | yes, same for users | 18:26 |
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| david-lyle | discovery is all from service catalog | 18:27 |
| david-lyle | but the user experience won't change | 18:27 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | okay, great, thanks for the confirm david-lyle | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anyone wants to discuss something? | 18:29 |
| crobertsrh | Nothing from me. | 18:29 |
| weiting | SergeyLukjanov, do you have any experience about swiftfs? | 18:30 |
| weiting | We got one issue when we are running Hibench | 18:30 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | weiting, it was written initially by our folks, personally I've not contributed in it at all | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | weiting, could you share your issue? | 18:31 |
| weiting | And it looks like swift may have too many request to handle and raise some client connect time out. | 18:31 |
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| weiting | The issue comes from prepare phase in Hibench and it related with the data input size. | 18:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | what size? | 18:32 |
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| weiting | We can success in 20GB, but if the data input size is 100GB, it will fail to write the file in swift | 18:32 |
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| weiting | It may be related with our swift server capability, in our case we only build up 4 node swift cluster | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I will ping folks who knows more about swift fs, probably some known issues | 18:34 |
| weiting | Ok, thanks. We would like to know if you have already did some testing in swiftfs. | 18:35 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | weiting, for the last time Kazuki was doing a lot on SwiftFS improvements https://github.com/openstack/sahara-extra/commits/master/hadoop-swiftfs | 18:38 |
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| weiting | SergeyLukjanov, got it, I will check and make sure we use the latest swiftfs in our environment. | 18:40 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | anything else to chat about today? | 18:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, let's finish meeting :) | 18:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | have a good rest of day folks! | 18:42 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 25 18:44:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-06-25-18.01.html | 18:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-06-25-18.01.txt | 18:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-06-25-18.01.log.html | 18:44 |
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| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 25 19:00:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting' | 19:00 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic RollCall | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RollCall (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:00 | |
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| sriram | o/ | 19:01 |
| malini | o/ | 19:01 |
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| mpanetta | o/ | 19:01 |
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| cathR | o/ | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | #link Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy | 19:02 |
| tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Last Week Recap | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Last Week Recap (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:02 | |
| amitgandhinz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-06-18-18.59.html | 19:02 |
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| amitgandhinz | ugh | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: did you groom the bugs =P | 19:02 |
| malini | no - they were too nasty | 19:03 |
| mpanetta | eww hairy bugs | 19:03 |
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| malini | can we just suqah them all & start over :/ | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | #action amitgandhinz and malini to groom the bugs | 19:03 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: did you work the michaelxin to get the outstanding patches merged? | 19:03 |
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| malini | no :/ | 19:04 |
| malini | michaelxin: any chance we can get to it this week? | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | #action malini to work with michaelxin to get the outstanding patches merged | 19:04 |
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| amitgandhinz | #topic Liberty Status Check | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty Status Check (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:04 | |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/liberty-1 | 19:04 |
| obulpathi | o/ | 19:04 |
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| amitgandhinz | its already release date ! | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | time goes to fast! | 19:05 |
| sriram | yep | 19:05 |
| michaelxin | gee, time is flying. | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | and nothing is marked as implemented =( | 19:05 |
| mpanetta | oops | 19:05 |
| malini | all because we didnt review anantha's patch :/ | 19:06 |
| michaelxin | amitgandhinz: I will work with Malini to get this done first | 19:06 |
| sriram | hey this is done right? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/log-delivery | 19:06 |
| obulpathi | well terminator is done right? | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | michaelxin: thanks | 19:06 |
| sriram | I saw it go through | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | yup | 19:06 |
| obulpathi | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/enable-disable-service | 19:06 |
| obulpathi | Can we mark this done please | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | updated | 19:07 |
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| obulpathi | thank you sir :) | 19:07 |
| sriram | amitgandhinz: woot | 19:07 |
| sriram | we implemented things! :) | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | anantha: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/operator-state-api | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | this is merged too right? | 19:07 |
| anantha | It says merge conflict | 19:08 |
| sriram | anantha: just rebase against master, and resubmit | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | no, update service state is merged - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193235/ | 19:08 |
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| anantha | Oops, sorry. This one is merged. | 19:08 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok lets make sure we can get host header forwarding merged https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/host-header-forwarding | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | i think thats the one anantha just rebased right | 19:09 |
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| sriram | i reviewed it, just small nits | 19:09 |
| sriram | +1 after that | 19:10 |
| sriram | from me | 19:10 |
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| anantha | Yeah, will submit another patch in some time | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/geo-restrictions | 19:10 |
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| tonytan4ever | This one is in progress. | 19:10 |
| tonytan4ever | I will need another day or two to roll it out. | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | awesome | 19:11 |
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| malini | read as it'll be done by eod today | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | lol | 19:11 |
| tonytan4ever | A good news is that, once this is done, ip restrictions should be done in a day, coz the geo restrictions will be generic to applied to ip restriction | 19:12 |
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| amitgandhinz | yup | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | ok the board is looking a lot better now | 19:12 |
| malini | All these ask for updated end to end tests | 19:12 |
| malini | & end to end tests are broken as of now :/ | 19:12 |
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| amitgandhinz | why did they break? | 19:12 |
| malini | its failing at a DNS look up step -yet to figure out why | 19:13 |
| sriram | oh | 19:13 |
| malini | must have been broken for a while - but we never caught it since we never run it :/ | 19:13 |
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| malini | anantha just found out while trying to update those for hostheader stuff | 19:13 |
| anantha | malini: They failed for your conf files too? | 19:14 |
| malini | yeap | 19:14 |
| sriram | ok lets get them fixed. | 19:14 |
| sriram | do we want to open up a bug to track it? | 19:14 |
| malini | we need to either fix them & run them - or drop them altogether | 19:14 |
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| sriram | malini, amit213: ^ | 19:15 |
| sriram | err | 19:15 |
| sriram | amitgandhinz: ^ | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | we should fix them | 19:15 |
| malini | lets add a bug - which we'll hopefully groom this week ;) | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | and run them | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:15 |
| malini | I am adding it now | 19:16 |
| sriram | awesome | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Open Discussion | 19:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:16 | |
| amitgandhinz | the floor is now open | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | anything to discuss? | 19:16 |
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| amitgandhinz | i will cut the liberty-1 release today | 19:17 |
| malini | awesome | 19:18 |
| sriram | amitgandhinz: cool | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | and set up the liberty 2 cycle | 19:18 |
| obulpathi | yay | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | which will end on Jul 28-30 | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 19:18 |
| cathR | (review the admin guide please - new endpoints) | 19:18 |
| sriram | cathR: +1 will do | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | cathR: i did, looks good to me | 19:19 |
| malini | will do cathR | 19:19 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok, if nothing else, lets call it a cycle | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:20 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 25 19:20:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-06-25-19.00.html | 19:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-06-25-19.00.txt | 19:20 |
| sriram | alright, see ya in the next cycle | 19:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-06-25-19.00.log.html | 19:20 |
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