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| pc_m | hi | 15:01 |
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| pcarver | hi | 15:01 |
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| tmorin | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 7 15:03:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:04 |
| tmorin | hi everyone | 15:04 |
| tmorin | hi pcarver | 15:04 |
| tmorin | hi pc_m | 15:04 |
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| pc_m | hi | 15:04 |
| tmorin | hi doude | 15:04 |
| doude | tmorin: hi | 15:04 |
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| tmorin | hi carl_baldwin | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | tmorin: hi | 15:05 |
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| vikram | hi | 15:05 |
| tmorin | hi Vikram | 15:05 |
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| vikram | hi tmorin | 15:06 |
| tmorin | matrohon is offline, we won't wait for him | 15:06 |
| tmorin | I guess we can start | 15:06 |
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| tmorin | #topic API | 15:06 |
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| tmorin | the discussion on the fundamental points of the API is finished | 15:07 |
| tmorin | we are now looking at the details | 15:07 |
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| tmorin | matrohon has been looking at how to implement what we had written, in the Neutron framework for API resources | 15:08 |
| vikram | great | 15:08 |
| tmorin | this will certainly leads to some changes, because it seems that what we had specified does not integrate easily with the framework as-is | 15:08 |
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| tmorin | there are more details in the gerrit thread, and in an IRC logs between matrohon and blogan | 15:09 |
| tmorin | I guess it makes sens anyway to align the spec with what is feasible/idiomatic rather than the reverse way round | 15:09 |
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| tmorin | matrohon won't work on that until last week of July, don't expect updates on the API before | 15:10 |
| tmorin | any comments ? | 15:10 |
| tmorin | there are two points that have been briefly discussed in the past on the API | 15:10 |
| tmorin | one is the addition of an admin status on a BGPVPN, that would allow to bring all associations down without having to delete them | 15:11 |
| tmorin | can be useful for the admin and gives visibility to the tenant | 15:11 |
| tmorin | maybe also useful for the tenant | 15:11 |
| tmorin | all opinions welcome on the usefulness of such a knob, in particular for tenants | 15:12 |
| tmorin | #action people to give feedback on usefullness of an admin_status propert | 15:13 |
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| pcarver | I think an admin status wouldn't be a bad idea, but I'm not sure how important it is | 15:13 |
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| tmorin | yes, I agree that it would belong to the "nice to have" category, but not high priority | 15:14 |
| pcarver | What might be more important from an operator standpoint is some sort of tenant visible indicator of operational status | 15:14 |
| tmorin | and I would think it can be easily added later | 15:15 |
| tmorin | pcarver: yes, but I've no idea how easily that can map with backends | 15:15 |
| pcarver | i.e., if from a BGP perspective a VPN isn't available, does the tenant have any way to determine that | 15:15 |
| pcarver | tmorin: me neither | 15:15 |
| tmorin | it's hard to define a network-wide notion of operational status | 15:16 |
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| tmorin | it's also hard for Neutron, or even for a backend, to know what is reachable outside | 15:16 |
| pcarver | but it's worth thinking about as we move along because lack of it is likely to generate trouble tickets | 15:16 |
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| tmorin | pcarver: agree to keep that in mind | 15:17 |
| pcarver | tmorin: for Neutron I agree, but introducing BGP it seems like there may be some visibility to what the WAN is advertising | 15:17 |
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| tmorin | pcarver: yes, but not necessarily easy to distinguish between normal situation and anomalies | 15:18 |
| pcarver | tmorin: I agree | 15:18 |
| tmorin | pcarver: the customer does not necessarily know how much prefixes need to be seen by the DC | 15:18 |
| pcarver | tmorin: I was mostly thinking in terms of using an incorrect RT | 15:19 |
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| tmorin | pcarver: I don't know what useful definition of incorrect neutron (or the backend) might have | 15:20 |
| tmorin | pcarver: I don't know what useful definition of "incorrect" neutron (or the backend) might have | 15:20 |
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| tmorin | pcarver: this is the thing that we understand better how to cover with more deployment experience | 15:21 |
| pcarver | tmorin: in any case, I'm not saying it's required for this spec. I'm just trying to anticipate operations issues | 15:21 |
| tmorin | pcarver: makes sense, let's agree to keep the topic in mind for later | 15:21 |
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| tmorin | the other possible API addition proposed, by diego, was the addition of a VNID, for l2 BGPVPNs, that would allow to use E-VPN/VXLAN and use a globally-assigned VNID | 15:22 |
| pcarver | tmorin: agreed | 15:22 |
| tmorin | adding a vnid property is something we can consider | 15:23 |
| tmorin | this makes sense essentially for l2, which seems less priority than l3 for our Liberty timeframe | 15:23 |
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| tmorin | feedback is welcome on this topic | 15:24 |
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| tmorin | #action people to feedback on the idea of adding a VNID property to allow E-VPN/VXLAN with a globally-assigned VNID | 15:25 |
| tmorin | #topic tests | 15:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "tests (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:25 | |
| tmorin | we had basic changes (to README.rst) fail jenkins job | 15:26 |
| tmorin | that was because our code was not working anymore with recent Neutron | 15:26 |
| tmorin | this was easily fixed | 15:26 |
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| tmorin | but that raises the question of how we could detect and proactively fix this kind of issues | 15:26 |
| tmorin | and keep more easily in sync with Neutron changes | 15:27 |
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| tmorin | my feeling is that we should work on having non-voting jobs on Neutron repo | 15:27 |
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| tmorin | but, not being yet familiar with all this, I'd love to have suggestions | 15:28 |
| tmorin | maybe carl_baldwin or pc_m would know ? | 15:28 |
| pc_m | tmorin: Was away.. reading... | 15:29 |
| tmorin | pc_m: thanks | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | tmorin: pc_m has the right experience to answer this question, I think. | 15:29 |
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| pc_m | We are seeing tons of VPN breakages due to neutron. | 15:29 |
| pc_m | Currently, I'm working on adding VPN functional tests for all neutron commits. dougwig is doing UTs for all service repos. | 15:30 |
| pc_m | I'm modifying VPN tox.ini to support such work, and then will make the job experimental for neutron commits. That's about the only way to help reduce breakages. | 15:31 |
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| pc_m | You may be able to do something similar. | 15:32 |
| tmorin | dougwig is doing UTs for all service repos: which service repos ? (is networking-bgpvpn one of them ?) | 15:32 |
| tmorin | pc_m: yes, it seems sound | 15:32 |
| pc_m | Long term, once Neutron is a libray, has a well defined API and tests to verify, then this will be less an issue. | 15:32 |
| tmorin | yes | 15:33 |
| pc_m | dougwig is adding FW, LB, VPN repo UTs, AFAIK. | 15:33 |
| tmorin | ok | 15:33 |
| tmorin | the issue we had is related to the way we insert constants into Neutron for the bgpvpn API endpoint | 15:34 |
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| tmorin | do you know if they have plans to sort out how external repository can interact with API or constants namespaces managed by Neutron ? | 15:34 |
| pc_m | tmorin: I don't know. May be a good thing to bring up. | 15:35 |
| tmorin | pc_m: agreed | 15:35 |
| tmorin | pc_m: the way we do now is fine, if it's stable enough, and... until there is a collision where two projects try to use the same name | 15:36 |
| tmorin | hopefully the later is unlikely | 15:36 |
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| * pc_m fingers crossed :) | 15:37 | |
| tmorin | ;) | 15:37 |
| tmorin | #topic database sync | 15:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "database sync (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:37 | |
| tmorin | I discussed with matrohon the case where a Neutron network is deleted | 15:37 |
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| tmorin | the bgpvpn service plugin has to be notified, and clean-up in the corresponding associations possibly axisting in one or more BGPVPN | 15:38 |
| tmorin | we plan to use the Neutron registry callbacks mechanism | 15:38 |
| tmorin | but this depends on a work in progress | 15:39 |
| tmorin | the topic of how we can use this is tracked in blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+spec/bagpipe-use-neutron-registry | 15:39 |
| tmorin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+spec/bagpipe-use-neutron-registry | 15:39 |
| tmorin | a related question is how we keep the db clean, assuming there may be cases where a network is modified offline in Neutron (eg. manual db modification) | 15:40 |
| tmorin | this is an issue to address at some point since we can't have a foreign key on Nutron network | 15:41 |
| tmorin | Neutron | 15:41 |
| tmorin | networks | 15:41 |
| tmorin | #topic bagpipe driver | 15:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bagpipe driver (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:42 | |
| tmorin | currently the driver relies on a specific ml2 driver to be notified of ports coming up, being updated, or coming down | 15:42 |
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| tmorin | we plan to modify this to also use the Neutron registry callback framework | 15:42 |
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| tmorin | this is also tracked in the same blueprint | 15:43 |
| tmorin | I need to split it into two blueprints | 15:43 |
| tmorin | one is framework, the other is bagpipe driver specific | 15:44 |
| tmorin | #topic Contrail driver | 15:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Contrail driver (Meeting topic: bgpvpn)" | 15:44 | |
| tmorin | doude has created a blueprint and started working on it | 15:44 |
| tmorin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+spec/opencontrail-bgpvpn-driver | 15:44 |
| tmorin | thanks doude ! | 15:44 |
| doude | work stills need to be done :) | 15:45 |
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| tmorin | ;) | 15:45 |
| doude | I met an issue and I opened a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1472203 | 15:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1472203 in bgpvpn "BGPVPN inherits from the db model" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Édouard Thuleau (ethuleau) | 15:45 |
| doude | I started to work on it | 15:45 |
| tmorin | yes, doude also noticed a misfit between the service plugin as currently implemented (alway persis bgpvpn info) and what is right for the contrail backend (don't persist in Neutron, the Contrail backend will persist the info) | 15:46 |
| tmorin | yes | 15:46 |
| doude | exactly | 15:46 |
| tmorin | feel free to read the details | 15:46 |
| tmorin | the plan is to split the framework/driver differently so that we can have drivers without persistency in Neutron | 15:47 |
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| tmorin | as far as I'm concerned, I haven't more to bring up today | 15:48 |
| tmorin | any question, comments ? | 15:48 |
| tmorin | one thing: I won't be here next week, same for matrohon | 15:49 |
| tmorin | anyone feel free to meet, but somebody else will have to startmeeting and chair | 15:49 |
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| tmorin | ok, we're done for today | 15:50 |
| tmorin | thanks everyone | 15:50 |
| tmorin | #endmeeting | 15:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 7 15:50:45 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-07-07-15.03.html | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-07-07-15.03.txt | 15:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2015/bgpvpn.2015-07-07-15.03.log.html | 15:50 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 7 16:00:57 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2015-07-07_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:01 |
| juggler | Perry Rivera | 16:01 |
| apmelton | Andrew Melton | 16:01 |
| rpothier | Rob Pothier | 16:01 |
| Tango | Ton Ngo | 16:01 |
| dane_leblanc | Dane LeBlanc | 16:01 |
| sdake_ | yar \o | 16:01 |
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| jjlehr | o/ | 16:01 |
| bradjones | o/ | 16:01 |
| daneyon | o/ | 16:01 |
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| diga | Digambar Patil | 16:01 |
| thomasem | Thomas Maddox | 16:01 |
| hongbin | o/ | 16:01 |
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| mfalatic | o/ | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | hello juggler, apmelton, rpothier, Tangom dane_leblanc, sdake_, jjlehr, bradjones, daneyon, diga, thomasem, hongbin, and mfalatic | 16:02 |
| adrian_otto | I was hoping to see madhuri today as well | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announements | 16:03 |
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| jjfreric | jjfreric joining | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | 1) We will be releasing liberty-1 today | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | hello jjfreric | 16:04 |
| tcammann | hello | 16:04 |
| jjfreric | hello | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | 2) Our magnum-ui-core team has been established: | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/970,members Initial Members | 16:04 |
| eghobo | o/ | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | The group has the initial list of reviewers in it. | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | hello tcammann and eghobo | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | The magnum-core group is linked to the magnum-ui-core group, but there is no expectation that members of magnum-core will review all the code in that repo. | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | we are trusting the magnum-ui-core group to carry most of that responsibility. | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | Questions on this? | 16:06 |
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| sdake_ | yay ui :) | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | 3) I am back form vacation, returning to full duty again this week | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | doing some catch-up. | 16:07 |
| tcammann | wb | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | any other announcements form team members? | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | tcammann: tx | 16:07 |
| sdake_ | midcycle | 16:07 |
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| adrian_otto | yes, we have a poll for midcycle participation | 16:08 |
| sdake_ | idont now if this is an announcement or something to discuss during the meeting | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | anyone have that link handy? | 16:08 |
| * juggler is playing catchup as well | 16:08 | |
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| tcammann | 00~http://doodle.com/pinkuc5hw688zhxw01~ | 16:08 |
| sdake_ | adrian_otto sec i'll find link | 16:08 |
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| tcammann | uh mangled clipboard sorry | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | #link http://doodle.com/pinkuc5hw688zhxw Midcycle participation poll | 16:09 |
| sdake_ | ya tcommann on ball :) | 16:09 |
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| sdake_ | tango is hosting at ibm facilities | 16:09 |
| adrian_otto | thanks Tango and IBM! | 16:09 |
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| Tango | Glad to help | 16:09 |
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| apuimedo | sorry I'm late | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | hello apuimedo | 16:10 |
| xu_ | hi, all, Xu from Hyper | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so please respond to the poll so we can select a date and plan for that | 16:10 |
| adrian_otto | hi xu_ | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | daneyon: I meant to ask you for this in advance so you could prepare | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | sorry for springing it | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Container Networking Subteam Update | 16:11 |
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| daneyon | adrian_otto no worries | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | we held an initial meeting last Thu | 16:11 |
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| daneyon | nothing much new to report. I was on vacation last week and training this week. | 16:11 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/ Previous Meetings | 16:11 |
| daneyon | Please review the previsou meeting and ping me on irc if you have any quesitons. | 16:12 |
| daneyon | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/ | 16:12 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, so each week, I'd like to get a 1-2 minute update from the subteam here so the rest of the group can have an idea about what's happening there at a high level | 16:12 |
| daneyon | It may be best not to rehash everything from last week's update | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | right, we have the transcript for those who want to dive in | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:13 |
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| daneyon | adrian_otto that is what i'm planning for. I would normally have news, but with vacation and training not much. | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) madhuri to kick off thread about cert provided by stacforge project anchor | 16:13 |
| adrian_otto | Status? | 16:13 |
| daneyon | anyone particiapting in the subteam, pls continue to add content to the EP | 16:13 |
| juggler | adrian_otto should we respond to the survey if we can attend remotely? | 16:13 |
| daneyon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-native-docker-network | 16:13 |
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| adrian_otto | juggler: yes, respond anyway, and add a comment indicating you plan to participate as a remote attendee | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | tx daneyon | 16:14 |
| daneyon | yw adrian_otto | 16:14 |
| juggler | adrian_otto ok | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I will carry this action item forward | 16:14 |
| adrian_otto | #action madhuri to kick off thread about cert provided by stackforge project anchor | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | 2) madhuri to create blueprint on self-signed ca certs via magnum bay-creation | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | Status? | 16:15 |
| * adrian_otto scans for a blueprint | 16:15 | |
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| hongbin | This one? | 16:15 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-as-a-ca | 16:15 |
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| adrian_otto | Status: complete | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | should we plan to discuss that BP in the next section of the meeting? | 16:16 |
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| adrian_otto | and the last action item | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | 3) all core reviewers to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194905/ | 16:17 |
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| adrian_otto | not many reviewers have commented on that one yet | 16:17 |
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| adrian_otto | I will carry this item forward | 16:18 |
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| adrian_otto | #action All core reviewers to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194905/ | 16:18 |
| sdake_ | ya if we are to do specs everyone needs to review them | 16:19 |
| sdake_ | I have seen instances where people say "hey I never wathed that spec and now its implemented I dont like it" | 16:19 |
| sdake_ | that happens all the time | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to begin an ML thread for https://review.openstack.org/194905 | 16:19 |
| sdake_ | the whole point of a spec is to avoie that ;-) | 16:19 |
| sdake_ | this is why I dont like specs ;) | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | sdake_: agreed, thanks | 16:19 |
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| adrian_otto | let's not underestimate the value of a well considered consensus | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | of specs is how we get that, it should be worth some admin overhead to get there | 16:20 |
| sdake_ | agree it makes sense in certain cases, I use them on kolla occasionally | 16:20 |
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| sdake_ | but its not the norm :) | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | for clarity, Magnum does not require specs yet, but there are encouraged for major features. | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | we are exploring the use of them now | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | ok, that brings us to our next topic | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review | 16:21 |
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| adrian_otto | New Blueprints for Discussion | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/hyperstack Power Magnum to run on metal with Hyper | 16:21 |
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| xu_ | Let me know for questions or thoughts, thx | 16:22 |
| hongbin | I would like to learn more about what is Hyper | 16:22 |
| hongbin | And how well it fit into Magnum | 16:22 |
| sdake_ | so this is essentially anothe os_distro type correct? | 16:22 |
| xu_ | Hyper is a hypervisor-agnostic Docker runtime | 16:22 |
| sdake_ | hongbin I think its a good fit for what we are after | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | sdake_: yes, that's how it's proposed | 16:22 |
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| sdake_ | xu_ will it run k8s? | 16:23 |
| xu_ | Hyper allows to run Docker images with any hypervisor, but without the need of a guest OS, like CoreOS, or CentOS | 16:23 |
| sdake_ | and swarm? | 16:23 |
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| adrian_otto | I've suggested that it be implemented for all supported bay types | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | so the answer should be yes | 16:24 |
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| sdake_ | xu_ our abstraction point is a layer higher then docker | 16:24 |
| apuimedo | yes, hyper is a very good fit | 16:24 |
| xu_ | Hyper is not a cluster system, it is single host engine, like Docker daemon | 16:24 |
| apuimedo | and looking at the code, it would be easy to extend the Go to make it plug the neutron port types | 16:24 |
| daneyon | xu_ just to clarify, CoreOS is not a guest OS but a host OS | 16:24 |
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| xu_ | Hyper uses the native k8s podfile for atomic scheduling unit | 16:25 |
| apuimedo | its tap management is clean and easy to grasp | 16:25 |
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| sdake_ | I like the model of hyperv | 16:25 |
| sdake_ | but it woul need to somehow launch either warm or k8s to be useful in magnum imo | 16:25 |
| sdake_ | but if it did, that would be fantastic ;) | 16:25 |
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| adrian_otto | was hyperv == Microsoft HyperV, or a typo, sdake_? | 16:26 |
| sdake_ | warm/swarm | 16:26 |
| xu_ | this bp is to make magnum run on bare-metal, in parallel with nova, not a component on top of nova. | 16:26 |
| daneyon | xu_ re: atomic scheduling so Hyper is more than just a single host daemon? | 16:26 |
| sdake_ | sorry just got up - feeling sick - whatever tech we are alking about :) | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | I think you meant Hyper, but just wanated to be sure | 16:26 |
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| sdake_ | ya hyper | 16:26 |
| adrian_otto | ok, tx | 16:26 |
| apuimedo | daneyon: yes, it's single host | 16:26 |
| sdake_ | xu_ do you understand what i'm saying? | 16:26 |
| sdake_ | xu_ with the abstraction point a layer above | 16:26 |
| sdake_ | magnum abstracts swarm and kubernetes | 16:27 |
| xu_ | daneyon re: no, hyper advocates pod, everything is in a unit of pod | 16:27 |
| sdake_ | magnum doesn't really abstract docker | 16:27 |
| apuimedo | you'd need magnum to do the orchestrating between hosts | 16:27 |
| daneyon | I think stating that this BP allows magnum to run on BM could be confusing or misleading | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | so this approach makes sense where the compute form factor (nova instance type) is a VM and the use case is running containers with the various Magnum Bay Types | 16:27 |
| apmelton | I think hyper could technically fit in, it would just be another coe | 16:27 |
| daneyon | Ironic should be the entrypoint for Magnum on BM | 16:27 |
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| adrian_otto | apmelton: no, it's not a coe | 16:28 |
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| sdake_ | why not write some code and see how it fits into the system xu_ ? | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | it needs to be combined with a coe | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | sdake_: let's take one step back | 16:28 |
| sdake_ | adrian_otto right this is what I keep getting at, but I don't think xu_ gets it :) | 16:28 |
| apuimedo | adrian_otto: exactly | 16:28 |
| daneyon | xu_ OK so pods are units of mgt, but hyper does not include multi-host scheduling, correct? | 16:28 |
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| adrian_otto | what I'd like to do is check with the team to see if there are objections to approving the direction of this BP | 16:29 |
| xu_ | sdake yes, i think the idea of abstraction makes sense | 16:29 |
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| apmelton | looking at this image: https://hyper.sh/img/hyper.png | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | and allowing the Hyper team to draft a proposal in the form of a spec or reviews | 16:29 |
| apmelton | hyper looks a lot like a coe | 16:29 |
| eghobo | xu_: hyper is container engine like CoreOS Rocket, isn't it? | 16:29 |
| apmelton | it looks like a CoE + an OS distro | 16:29 |
| xu_ | hyper is more for some cloud providers who want to build a secure, public, native CaaS, instead of CaaS on top of IaaS. | 16:29 |
| sdake_ | no objections fro me - think tech looks solid - not sure how its actually going to fit into the system ;) | 16:29 |
| apuimedo | xu_: correct me if I'm wrong, since I looked at it like 3 weeks ago | 16:29 |
| xu_ | eghobo: yes | 16:29 |
| adrian_otto | and part of that should really be an FAQ that addresses the questions that folks like apmelton and eghobo are raising today. | 16:29 |
| apuimedo | but wouldn't it be possible to just use swarm to orchestrate hyper hosts? | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | apuimedo: I think that's possible | 16:30 |
| apuimedo | (hosts running the hyper daemon in place of the docker one) | 16:30 |
| apuimedo | IIRC it should be. It seems the easiest way to integrate | 16:30 |
| daneyon | xu_ so basicly instead of running containers in standard VM's to address container security, run your Docker images in hyper VM's that are lightweight? | 16:30 |
| xu_ | apuimedo: it is possible | 16:30 |
| apuimedo | exactly daneyon ;-) | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I'm gong to move to an #agreed to approve the direction of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/hyperstack | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | anyone object to that? | 16:31 |
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| adrian_otto | or do you need more time to understand it first? | 16:31 |
| xu_ | daneyon: yes, and that will eliminate the guest OS, so kernel+docker image, totally immutable infra | 16:31 |
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| eghobo | adrian_otto: we need provide more details, before aproving | 16:31 |
| adrian_otto | there are two stages of approval | 16:31 |
| daneyon | xu_ I looked at hyper about 4 weeks ago and I like it. I have no practical experience yet, but I like the model | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | we have directional approval which asks for a proposal (spec) | 16:32 |
| apuimedo | same here | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | and we have design approval which accepts the proposal, and expects code to follow | 16:32 |
| hongbin | A question | 16:32 |
| xu_ | daneyon: thx, hyper is technically similar with Intel ClearContainer and MS HyperV container. | 16:32 |
| hongbin | Hyper is going to be in tree or a seperated plugin? | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | I'm asking about directional approval, which I normally handle without asking first. | 16:32 |
| daneyon | xu_ I agree with sdake_ write some code to demo basic functionality. | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: no, this would be in-tree for Magnum | 16:33 |
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| xu_ | daneyon: sure | 16:33 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: I think I need more time to learn that | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so daneyon and sdake appear to be in support of directional approval | 16:33 |
| sdake_ | realistically the only way xu_ is going to get something that wors reasonablly well with kubernete and swarm is to prototype it not spec it | 16:33 |
| apuimedo | in-tree swarm flavor? | 16:33 |
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| eghobo | I am not sure why hyper should be magnum plugin, sounds like it should be kub plugin | 16:34 |
| sdake_ | but how we get from point a - z i'm not totally concerned about ;) | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | xu_: are you open to attempting a prototype first? | 16:34 |
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| daneyon | seems like hyper replaces the docker daemon, so not sure it fits with swarm | 16:35 |
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| daneyon | or any coe's | 16:35 |
| daneyon | xu_ how does hyper do multi-host? | 16:35 |
| sdae | it needs to integrate with swarm | 16:35 |
| xu_ | eghobo: hyper works better with neutron and cinder, which means that CaaS=magnum+neutron+cinder+hyper+BM | 16:35 |
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| daneyon | xu_ does it simply work better with neutron/cinder because containers are encapsulated in VM's? | 16:36 |
| xu_ | daneyon: the same way as Docker does multi-host, and probably even better, due to the mature SDN solutions available in hypervisor space | 16:36 |
| sdae | how about we start a mailing list thread about the architecture so we don't eat up our entire meeting agenda :) | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | so we definitely have interest. I suggest this. I'll put this back on the agenda for next week. In the mean time, let's open an ML thread to discuss the related questions by email with the team | 16:37 |
| apuimedo | good idea adrian_otto | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | let's get clarity on the value proposition | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | and then revisit this. | 16:37 |
| xu_ | daneyon: yes, the nature of hypervisor, strong isolation for multi-tenancy public cloud | 16:37 |
| hongbin | wfm | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | you are welcome to write a prototype in the mean time and submit it as a review | 16:37 |
| apuimedo | xu_: if you could make a diagram of the proposed architecture of the fit with hyper and other OpenStack components | 16:37 |
| apuimedo | it would be great | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | but don't expect us to merge it without consensus on the blueprint. | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | make sense? | 16:37 |
| daneyon | +1 on writing a minimal prototype | 16:38 |
| eghobo | +1 | 16:38 |
| sdae | blueprint or prototype - whatever works | 16:38 |
| sdae | I think xu_ would learn alot from a prototype | 16:38 |
| sdae | or one from hyper | 16:38 |
| sdae | whoever does the work | 16:38 |
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| xu_ | adrian_otto: it is quite some changes to magnum, even for a prototype. | 16:38 |
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| adrian_otto | it's up to you if you work on that or not, but it may speed up a consenesus | 16:39 |
| xu_ | ok, will do | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | I'm happy to make the final call on this, but I want team input | 16:39 |
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| adrian_otto | so the ML thread is the first way we will get that | 16:39 |
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| adrian_otto | xu_: can you start that thread, or would you like my assistance with that? | 16:40 |
| xu_ | adrian_otto: i'm new to openstack, appreciate if you could show some lights！ | 16:40 |
| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to assist xu_ with starting an ML thread about the Hyper blueprint for Magnum | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | ok, next subtopic for Blueprints | 16:41 |
| xu_ | https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/55545e127c7cbe0ec5b82f2b/1095x362/558bcbf7a1ab7aa4b4753b1232d3886f/IaaS_vs_CaaS.png overview arch | 16:41 |
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| adrian_otto | Essential Blueprint Updates | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/objects-from-bay Obtain the objects from the bay endpoint (sdake) | 16:41 |
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| sdake | yar | 16:41 |
| adrian_otto | sdake: any updates on this? | 16:41 |
| sdake | this is two milestones worth of work | 16:42 |
| sdake | i was going to try to recruit tom to help ;) | 16:42 |
| sdake | but haven't got there yet | 16:42 |
| sdake | tom, interested in helping? :) | 16:42 |
| sdake | tcommann^^ | 16:42 |
| apuimedo | tcammann: tcammann_ ? | 16:42 |
| sdake | sory about mispelling | 16:43 |
| tcammann | sure | 16:43 |
| sdake | cool lets catch up off line | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | Cool, I'll revisit this one next week | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | next... | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/secure-kubernetes Secure the client/server communication between ReST client and ReST server (madhuri) | 16:43 |
| sdake | i think with both me and tom, it will take both l2 and l3 adrian_otto | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | madhuri is not with us today, is there anyone working on this who can make an update? | 16:43 |
| sdake | i have looked at the reviews | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | perhaps apmelton? | 16:43 |
| sdake | they look solid | 16:43 |
| sdake | not sure if they actually work or not | 16:43 |
| sdake | last info I got from her seem to indicate it *does* work properly | 16:44 |
| apmelton | adrian_otto: nope, I'll go through the reviews this week and check them out though | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I'llr evisit this one next week. | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | Next one... | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/external-lb Support the kubernetes service external-load-balancer feature (sdake) | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | Tango: were you working on this one? | 16:44 |
| sdake | how did I get assigned to that? | 16:45 |
| Tango | Yes, I am | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | maybe I read it wrong? I can reassign it | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | update on this, Tango? | 16:45 |
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| Tango | I am a bit stuck on getting the latest Kubernetes version to run on Fedora Atomic | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | oh, I misread the Assignee | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | sorry sdake! | 16:46 |
| Tango | Asked for help on the Google ML, got a few pointers | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | you were the registrant, not the assignee | 16:46 |
| Tango | Other people are also complaining about similar problem | 16:46 |
| Tango | although on Red Hat | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | Tango: do we have what we need to proceed, or are we blocked on upstream work? | 16:47 |
| apmelton | Tango: are you doing this on Atomic 22 or 21? | 16:47 |
| Tango | Atomic 21 | 16:47 |
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| Tango | I am going to try Ubuntu | 16:47 |
| sdake | apmelton he is building with latest version of kube tho | 16:47 |
| apmelton | I'm not sure there | 16:47 |
| Tango | This is their version 0.19 | 16:47 |
| apmelton | was just going to say I know of multiple issues with Docker 1.6.0 in 22 | 16:47 |
| apmelton | that he may have been hitting via k8s | 16:48 |
| sdake | its likely a configuration change | 16:48 |
| eghobo | Tango: maybe Fedora, most kub examples at Fedora distro | 16:48 |
| sdake | like some config options changed | 16:48 |
| sdake | between 0.15 and d0.19 | 16:48 |
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| sdake | and we need to set those new config options in the template | 16:48 |
| sdake | remember that mess apmelton | 16:48 |
| sdake | or hongbin | 16:48 |
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| Tango | There is a few options that get deprecated | 16:48 |
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| sdake | this is what tango is up against here | 16:48 |
| Tango | but I may have missed other updates that may be required | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so considering the importance of this BP, do we have the right number of Stackers working on this, or do we need more help on this? | 16:49 |
| adrian_otto | ^^ Tango | 16:49 |
| sdake | ya porting to the latest version of kube usually takes 2-3 engineers about 3-4 days in the community of full time work | 16:49 |
| apmelton | Tango: a bit later in the week I might be able to help ya poke around | 16:49 |
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| Tango | Sure, it would be great to have more eyes on just getting k8s to work | 16:50 |
| suro-patz | Tango: feel free to ping me, if you need any help on this | 16:50 |
| Tango | They are changing so fast | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so team, please help out on this one if you can. | 16:50 |
| sdake | this is why I dont upgrade the images often ;-) | 16:50 |
| Tango | Growing pain :) | 16:50 |
| hongbin | Tango: Just let me know if you need some help | 16:50 |
| sdake | because its a huge time sync keeping up with uberenetes | 16:51 |
| Tango | Sounds great, I will give more details on the IRC | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | s/ubernetes/kubernetes/ | 16:51 |
| sdake | heh | 16:51 |
| sdake | ubernetes lol :) | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | Ubernetes is actually a thing (federation for Kubernetes) | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I have one more BP to get an update on | 16:52 |
| sdake | interesting | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/secure-docker Secure client/server communication using TLS (apmelton) | 16:52 |
| apmelton | I'll know more after poking around the reviews and the spec | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we can revisit that one next week | 16:52 |
| apmelton | sounds good | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:53 |
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| tcammann | Any ideas when you will know about midcycle dates, I need to get approval to fly 5000 miles | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | sdake: did we already put the poll on the ML? | 16:54 |
| tcammann | yes he did | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so let's follow up on that thread with a deadline for selecting the date | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | date for a date | 16:54 |
| sdake | i set a deadline | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | great, when is that? | 16:55 |
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| sdake | from what I can tell ppl don't seem too intereste din attending | 16:55 |
| sdake | I dont recall but its in the email post | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | sdake: that always happens | 16:56 |
| eghobo | i think deadline today | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I'll be responding today | 16:56 |
| sdake | adrian_otto I'll hand off process to you ok? | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | and my availability is rather limited, so that may help us narrow the date range a bit | 16:56 |
| sdake | adrian_otto I have a midcycle I am already executing planning on | 16:56 |
| adrian_otto | ok, I'll take that one | 16:56 |
| sdake | i just wanted to get it kicked off | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to select a date for the Midcycle and announce to the team members | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | ok, we have just a couple of minutes left | 16:57 |
| eghobo | tcammann: any agreement about heat templates? | 16:57 |
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| adrian_otto | sdake: on the subject of the liberty-1 release, should I tag what's in master right now? | 16:57 |
| tcammann | oh yes! thanks eghobo | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | or is there a specific commit I should tag? | 16:58 |
| sdake | adrian_otto I'll get to you with hash at noonish | 16:58 |
| juggler | Calabasas training opp announcement: http://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-quick-start-all-day-community-training-tickets-17622811303 | 16:58 |
| sdake | I have dentist appointment soon | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | ok, tx. | 16:58 |
| adrian_otto | hope your tooth is doing much better by now | 16:58 |
| juggler | me too | 16:58 |
| sdake | it is not in pain | 16:58 |
| sdake | thansk :) | 16:58 |
| sdake | it just needs to be sealed | 16:58 |
| sdake | anyway yikes lets not talk about it plz :) | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | heh | 16:59 |
| tcammann | Can we put that as an action to discuss for next time, the future of heat-coe-templates | 16:59 |
| juggler | sdake heh ok | 16:59 |
| tcammann | adrian_otto: ^ | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thanks everone. Our next meeting is Tuesday 2200 UTC on 2015-07-14. And our network subteam meeting is on Thursday 2015-07-16 at 1800 UTC. | 17:00 |
| juggler | thx ao | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | tcammann: got it, thanks! | 17:00 |
| tcammann | ty | 17:00 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| apmelton | \o | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 7 17:00:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-07-07-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-07-07-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2015/containers.2015-07-07-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| juggler | \o/ | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | well, let's start murano then =) | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #startmeeting murano | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 7 17:01:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
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| Nikolay_St | o? | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:01 |
| Nikolay_St | o/ | 17:01 |
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| ruhe | o/ | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | hi all | 17:01 |
| StanLagun | o/ | 17:01 |
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| freerunner | o/ | 17:01 |
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| khivin | hi) | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I'd like to start with the elephant in the room, and say, that we currently have some problems with dsvm job. freerunner and I are looking into it, but we would appreciate any help from you guys =) | 17:02 |
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| FilipBlaha | hi | 17:02 |
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| aderyugin | hi! | 17:03 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | We skiped our prev meeting, cause we had no agenda and no action items | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so there's no point in reviewing that | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev_mb | But I've added a couple of items, I'd like to discuss to todays meeting agenda | 17:03 |
| Nikolay_St | :d | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Spec review process | 17:04 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | 1) I'd like to ask everyone to review specs more. Some of us tend to dismiss a patchset if it has -1 from someone. | 17:05 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I believe that should not be the case for spec reviews | 17:05 |
| Nikolay_St | agreed here | 17:06 |
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| Nikolay_St | specs has many points to discuss always, so -1 from someone couldn't be a real marker of something bad | 17:07 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I'd like to remind, that L-2 is around the corner, and I believe we have only merged a spec or two =) | 17:08 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Really hope, that we'll improve the situation soon | 17:09 |
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| mgershen | will it help if I split my spec to 2 specs? :) | 17:09 |
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| Nikolay_St | which one mgershen? | 17:09 |
| mgershen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198559/ | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Which brings me to the second point about specs — shouldn't we introduce something like a spec-freeze? A date, after which no specs would be merged? | 17:10 |
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| mgershen | I am considering splitting it anyway, since i would like to start working on what is agreed on | 17:11 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | nova has it (and it actually happened last week I think). The reasoning is that reviewing specs takes a lot of time, and having a deadline would encourage people to work on specs faster and possibly review them more. | 17:12 |
| Nikolay_St | mgershen: I think this spec shouldn't be split to 2. it looks consistent | 17:12 |
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| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: I agree with you here. | 17:12 |
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| StanLagun | I think splitting in 2 is a good idea | 17:13 |
| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: but we have a some kind of rule set for this freeze | 17:13 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I'm not really sure, that we should agree on such a measure, when our PTL is on a vacation, though +))) | 17:14 |
| Nikolay_St | :D | 17:14 |
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| Nikolay_St | we can just collect views | 17:15 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I generally like the idea to have a spec-freeze at l-2 (and later at m-2 and so on). | 17:15 |
| Nikolay_St | without an official poll | 17:15 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Let's discuss it in ML then | 17:16 |
| Nikolay_St | sure | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev start spec-freeze discussion in ML | 17:17 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #topic dropping db downgrades | 17:17 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Next topic then | 17:18 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I've been looking through bugs for l-2 and stumbled upon this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/murano/+bug/1399151 | 17:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1399151 in murano "Error during execution of database downgrade" [Medium,Confirmed] | 17:19 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Recently some of the OS projects have dropped db downgrades completely, AFAIK | 17:19 |
| kzaitsev_mb | nova and glance, to name the few (I might be wrong though) | 17:20 |
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| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: neutron for example | 17:20 |
| Nikolay_St | and I think sahara | 17:20 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: so it looks like a trend =) | 17:20 |
| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: yeap, it's one of the latest community practices | 17:21 |
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| FilipBlaha | + for dropping | 17:21 |
| Nikolay_St | and we should follow | 17:21 |
| FilipBlaha | +1 | 17:21 |
| StanLagun | +1 | 17:21 |
| Nikolay_St | +1 | 17:21 |
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| mgershen | +1 | 17:21 |
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| freerunner | +1 as well | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I wanted to start a vote, but looks like everyone agrees anyway =) | 17:22 |
| Nikolay_St | for sure | 17:22 |
| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: so, for official, u can start vote =) | 17:23 |
| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: I think I'll just add agreed hash-tag to save us some time =) | 17:23 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #agreed we decided to drop support for migration downgrades | 17:24 |
| kzaitsev_mb | We should update our docs accordingly, I guess then =) | 17:25 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | and the last topic for today, then | 17:26 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic nightly builds | 17:26 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I'm not sure if it is possible, or even a good idea, but it seems, like a nice idea to check our stable branches from time to time? | 17:27 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | The idea came from some discussion in horizon (it was rejected there though, but the purpose was different there) | 17:28 |
| StanLagun | we had this idea for a long time | 17:28 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | The idea is to have a nightly build of every stable branch of every of our projects. This should help us detect gate blocks sooner, since stable branches are not updated that often. | 17:29 |
| kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun freerunner aderyugin is it even possible with current jenkins infrastructure? | 17:30 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Even though I like the idea, I haven't seen anything like that in any project =( | 17:30 |
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| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: You mean dsvm jobs, yep? | 17:32 |
| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: something like that. The easiest and dirtiest way to do this would be to push a commit for review, but I dislike this approach for obvious reasons ) | 17:33 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | So I suppose no one really does it, right? | 17:34 |
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| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: I think nope. | 17:35 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | this means we can be first =) but also means that it would probably be a lot of work to setup such a system nicely =( | 17:36 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Does anyone want to volunteer to investigate how we can do such a thing? =) | 17:39 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I guess no one =) | 17:39 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok I'll do it then | 17:39 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev look for a way to run periodic nightly builds of stable branches | 17:40 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I'll try to contact infra guys, we can't be the first team to want a thing like that =) | 17:40 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok, so we're out of topics, moving to open discussion | 17:41 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Open Discussion | 17:41 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | A thing I've noted about previous guys meeting (containers) — is that they have permanent links to their agendas. And they link them during meetings. I'll try to adopt that approach during our next meeting =) | 17:43 |
| mgershen | sounds cool :) | 17:43 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Hm, I remember that we wanted to make some mid-cycle virtual meetup. | 17:44 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Is the idea dead? I belive Serg was the one driving it though. | 17:45 |
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| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: I've think we can discuss this, when Serg goes back from vacation =) | 17:46 |
| freerunner | *I think | 17:46 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: yep. sounds good | 17:47 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | looks like we can finish a bit early | 17:50 |
| Nikolay_St | looks like my client was kicked off from channel :( | 17:50 |
| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: One more sec =) | 17:50 |
| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: I have one idea for next meeting. We can discuss a better versioning of muranoclient. | 17:51 |
| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: let's add it tour next meeting agenda then. | 17:52 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I'll update it accordingly. | 17:52 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #idea (by freerunner) discuss a better versioning of muranoclient | 17:52 |
| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Cool =) | 17:53 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: it would be nice if you would prepare some write up beforehand, so that everyone could read it, though =) an etherpad would be awesome. | 17:53 |
| kzaitsev_mb | *short writeup =) | 17:54 |
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| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: Sure ;) | 17:54 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, before time runs out. I'd like to remind everyone (even non-core developers) to review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/murano-specs,n,z some specs, and do so even if there is a -1 from someone there. | 17:57 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | let's end the meeting =) I believe it was rather productive =) | 17:59 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 7 18:00:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-07-07-17.01.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-07-07-17.01.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2015/murano.2015-07-07-17.01.log.html | 18:00 |
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| adrian_otto | hello | 21:02 |
| adrian_otto | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 7 21:02:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 21:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 21:03 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum Our (outdated) Agenda | 21:03 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 21:03 | |
| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 21:03 |
| datsun180b | ed cranford | 21:03 |
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| dimtruck | Dimitry Ushakov | 21:04 |
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| datsun180b | skeleton crew today | 21:05 |
| mkam | Melissa Kam | 21:05 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2015-07-07_2100_UTC Our (updated) Agenda | 21:06 |
| adrian_otto | hello datsun180b, dimtruck, and mkam | 21:06 |
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| dimtruck | hello! | 21:07 |
| adrian_otto | are we expecting others? | 21:07 |
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| dimtruck | james li should join in a bit | 21:07 |
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| james_li | james li | 21:07 |
| adrian_otto | hello james_li | 21:08 |
| james_li | Hi adrian_otto | 21:08 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 21:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 21:08 | |
| adrian_otto | (none prepared) | 21:08 |
| adrian_otto | any announcements from team members? | 21:08 |
| datsun180b | nothing special from me. gates are clear, jobs are running in jenkins, and the first phase of the app-resource overhaul is merged | 21:08 |
| james_li | nothing from me | 21:09 |
| adrian_otto | great! | 21:09 |
| dimtruck | nothing from me except for the fact that operator's guide is in progress | 21:09 |
| dimtruck | i'll be making a patch to our docs later this week | 21:09 |
| james_li | thanks dimtruck | 21:09 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 21:09 | |
| adrian_otto | 1) devkulkarni to check how to make solum's heat deployer pluggable to support different kinds of resources in different operational environments | 21:09 |
| adrian_otto | Status of this? | 21:10 |
| datsun180b | last i heard he was still working on it. since he's not here, carry forward? | 21:10 |
| james_li | we are going to have a discussion on that tomorrow with heat team | 21:10 |
| adrian_otto | #action devkulkarni to check how to make solum's heat deployer pluggable to support different kinds of resources in different operational environments | 21:10 |
| datsun180b | then there we go | 21:10 |
| adrian_otto | in #solum? | 21:10 |
| adrian_otto | that's a good topic to invite heat community members to our meeting to disucss | 21:11 |
| adrian_otto | or start an ML thread explaining the use case and requesting input | 21:11 |
| james_li | devdatta will lead the discussion, not sure where he plans to have it | 21:11 |
| adrian_otto | is there a blueprint for it? | 21:12 |
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| james_li | probably not yet | 21:12 |
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| adrian_otto | I do not see a blueprint on it. | 21:12 |
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| adrian_otto | is Devdatta out today? | 21:13 |
| datsun180b | he is | 21:13 |
| james_li | yes | 21:13 |
| adrian_otto | but we are expecting him back tomorrow? | 21:13 |
| datsun180b | i believe so | 21:14 |
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| james_li | he said so | 21:14 |
| dimtruck | correct, he'll be in tomorrow | 21:14 |
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| adrian_otto | #action adrian_otto to follow up with devdatta-kulkarni about filing a heat plugability blueprint | 21:14 |
| adrian_otto | thanks | 21:14 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Task Review | 21:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprint/Task Review (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 21:15 | |
| adrian_otto | any blueprints, bugs, or tasks that would benefit from team discussion today? | 21:16 |
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| datsun180b | not from me, heads down on the workflow resource presently | 21:16 |
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| dimtruck | i don't have anything | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: you have a review that has not seen any revisions for a month: https://review.openstack.org/188864 | 21:16 |
| adrian_otto | is that still WIP, or should it be abandoned? | 21:17 |
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| datsun180b | well it was put up there as WIP so murali could get some work done on top of the solum app resource | 21:17 |
| datsun180b | i don't want to release the new app commands and deprecate the old ones until the new ones actually get work done | 21:17 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://review.openstack.org/189929 Protocol for app update that preserves app's URL | 21:18 |
| datsun180b | i'm still working on it locally; i'll abandon it and resub later | 21:18 |
| adrian_otto | the spec for this could use more eyes/comments on review | 21:18 |
| datsun180b | i definitely need to look over that spec | 21:19 |
| adrian_otto | specifically, is there a way to implement this that's not specific to RAX? Could it also work with Neutron LB? | 21:20 |
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| datsun180b | i bet we can, but i think dev knows for certain | 21:20 |
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| adrian_otto | the only requirement is that the LB resource in heat have a way to be drained, and deleted | 21:22 |
| adrian_otto | I mean drained/updated to delete the obviated backend node | 21:22 |
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| adrian_otto | I think this is what Devdatta wnated to talk to the Heat devs about | 21:23 |
| adrian_otto | so that a single heat resource could be backended by an OpenStack load balancer, or a RAX LB | 21:23 |
| datsun180b | maybe it won't happen in two steps but i bet there's a way to approximate it | 21:24 |
| adrian_otto | any others for discussion? | 21:25 |
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| datsun180b | not from me | 21:26 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 21:26 |
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| datsun180b | well i've got one | 21:27 |
| adrian_otto | what's the status of moving Solum from stackforge to openstack git namespace? | 21:27 |
| dimtruck | I got one too | 21:27 |
| datsun180b | oh let's talk about the namespace move first | 21:28 |
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| dimtruck | yes | 21:28 |
| dimtruck | i am not sure where we are in the move | 21:28 |
| dimtruck | datsun180b: do you remember who was tasked with it? | 21:29 |
| datsun180b | i don't | 21:29 |
| dimtruck | I /think/ it was devkulkarni but not certain | 21:29 |
| datsun180b | i have a feeling the first task is finding the contact to create the solum and python-solumclient repos in github under openstack | 21:29 |
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| dimtruck | good point | 21:29 |
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| dimtruck | adrian_otto: who can help us with that? | 21:30 |
| adrian_otto | you do that using an openstack-config review | 21:30 |
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| datsun180b | then splice the stackforge repos over to openstack and start to update our infra/configs references to use the new locations | 21:30 |
| adrian_otto | you specify the current repo as the upstream for the new one | 21:30 |
| adrian_otto | it gets imported automatically. | 21:31 |
| dimtruck | understood. I can follow up with dev and see if he started on that task. If not, i can take care of the openstack-config review. | 21:31 |
| adrian_otto | but we do need to pair this with changes to documentation about how to develop on Solum | 21:31 |
| datsun180b | that's mighty convenient | 21:31 |
| adrian_otto | thanks dimtruck | 21:31 |
| datsun180b | we'll need to sweep the whole codebase and the vagrant repo for mentions of stackforge | 21:31 |
| dimtruck | yeah, i can take care of that. | 21:31 |
| dimtruck | (if dev's not doing it already) | 21:31 |
| datsun180b | and what about our sample apps repos? those aren't stackforge are they | 21:32 |
| dimtruck | no sir | 21:32 |
| datsun180b | then we're okay there | 21:32 |
| dimtruck | if you're talking about rackspace sample apps, those are abstracted | 21:32 |
| adrian_otto | dimtruck, can you take an action item on that? | 21:32 |
| dimtruck | will do | 21:32 |
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| adrian_otto | #action dimtruck to check with devdatta-kulkarni aboutthe stauts of the namespace migration to the openstack git namespace, and file openstack-config reviews as needed if they have not already been created. | 21:33 |
| adrian_otto | dimtruck: is that fair? | 21:33 |
| dimtruck | yes sir! | 21:33 |
| adrian_otto | ok, so both dimtruck and datsun180b have open discussion topics? | 21:34 |
| adrian_otto | thanks dimtruck | 21:35 |
| dimtruck | perfect! | 21:35 |
| datsun180b | mine's better suited to #solum | 21:35 |
| dimtruck | you're welcome | 21:35 |
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| adrian_otto | dimtruck: you had another topic? | 21:37 |
| dimtruck | yes sir. | 21:37 |
| adrian_otto | proceed | 21:37 |
| dimtruck | We've had some interest in operating solum from last week. We have some documentation from Rackspace that i'm trying to port to OpenStack but wanted to hear other people's opinions about what should/should not go into that document | 21:37 |
| dimtruck | i'm going from the perspective of "here's how you can run solum infrastructure properly" | 21:38 |
| adrian_otto | ok | 21:38 |
| dimtruck | and proven since rackspace has been doing that for the past few months | 21:38 |
| dimtruck | this came from several requests we've heard of how to operate solum and the lack of documentation on that front | 21:39 |
| adrian_otto | anything that's generally useful versus specific to a single vendor is appropriate, I'd think. | 21:39 |
| dimtruck | cool! | 21:39 |
| dimtruck | most of our stuff is definitely portable | 21:39 |
| dimtruck | maybe it's a better open discussion once the patch is out there for the community to review :) | 21:39 |
| adrian_otto | ok, fair enough. At least that way we'll have something concrete to consider. | 21:40 |
| dimtruck | right, exactly | 21:41 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, anything else to cover today? | 21:41 |
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| datsun180b | nah, i'll take mine to #solum when we've got more folks | 21:41 |
| adrian_otto | ok, thanks datsun180b | 21:42 |
| datsun180b | url design is hardly exciting | 21:42 |
| adrian_otto | Our next meeting will be on Tuesday 2015-07-14 at 2100 UTC. See you then! | 21:42 |
| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 21:43 |
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| datsun180b | thanks for running things adrian_otto | 21:43 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 7 21:43:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-07-07-21.02.html | 21:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-07-07-21.02.txt | 21:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2015/solum_team_meeting.2015-07-07-21.02.log.html | 21:43 |
| adrian_otto | datsun180b: my pleasure | 21:43 |
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