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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 9 15:00:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| ganso_ | hello | 15:00 |
| markstur | hello | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | Hello | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | only 2 topics today, so hopefully short meeting | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #topic Midcycle Meetup | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Midcycle Meetup (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
| toabctl | hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-liberty-midcycle-meetup | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | so the midcycle meetup is just 3 weeks away | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | a number of people have said they can't attend in person, and would like to attend remotely, so we will be doing video conference like last time | 15:03 |
| lpabon | hi | 15:03 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 15:03 |
| bswartz | anyone who can travel to join locally should contact me to find out about accomodations | 15:03 |
| * lpabon would really like to do remotely | 15:04 | |
| bswartz | I just created the etherpad to collect attendance information and to start collecting topic proposals | 15:04 |
| bswartz | I'll be working to get a more formal agenda/schedule in the next 2 weeks | 15:04 |
| bswartz | because there will be remote attendees, we will have timezone challenges like before | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | this time I will create timeslots for topics and we will try to stick with the schedule | 15:05 |
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| csaba | also if there will be a lot of remote joiners, we might have a severe race for hangout slots | 15:06 |
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| lpabon | csaba: what is the max on hangouts? | 15:07 |
| bswartz | csaba: we will have audio conference as well as hangout | 15:07 |
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| vponomaryov | pabon: 15 | 15:07 |
| lpabon | if not I can do bluejeans | 15:07 |
| lpabon | i think bluejeans is 99 | 15:07 |
| bswartz | so if the hangout fills up we can get additional people in audio-only | 15:07 |
| lpabon | and we can record them | 15:07 |
| ganso_ | there should be a way to live stream the video so people on the audio bridge can get video feed | 15:07 |
| bswartz | lpabon: my experience with bluejeans so far has not been great | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | what kind of video do you expect? | 15:08 |
| bswartz | I'm not sure how well it will work for others | 15:08 |
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| lpabon | bswartz: well, I can do setup one if you need to. Let me know | 15:08 |
| bswartz | google hangouts are tried and trusted, although the 15 person limit is a big problem | 15:08 |
| ganso_ | vponomaryov: slides, demos, code, etc | 15:08 |
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| csaba | vponomaryov: at least it's useful if the screen displays who's speaking as we can't expect all of us recongnize each other by voice | 15:09 |
| lpabon | we can start with bluejeans and fallback to hangouts if you want | 15:09 |
| bswartz | csaba: +1 | 15:09 |
| bswartz | I like that feature too | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | I don't know everyone's voice | 15:09 |
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| vponomaryov | csaba: not musician? =) | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | I'm open to other conference technologies but we should probably test it out if it's something we haven't used before | 15:10 |
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| csaba | vponomaryov: I'm almost deaf to one of my ears ;) | 15:10 |
| bswartz | webex is another alternative to google hangouts but webex has it's own set of problems | 15:10 |
| lpabon | bswartz: sure let me know.. i use bluejeans almost every day | 15:10 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: +1 for webex, why not? | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: webex works poorly on Linux | 15:11 |
| lpabon | webex doesn't love linux :( | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it allows to join using skype/phone | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | for audio | 15:11 |
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| lpabon | bluejeans allows audio phone dialin also | 15:11 |
| bswartz | it works fine for audio and slide presentations | 15:11 |
| * lpabon has talked enough about bluejeans :) | 15:12 | |
| bswartz | but I'm not sure about video, and if anyone has never used webex before they might have fits trying to get it to work | 15:12 |
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| * bswartz remembers doing some unholy things to install 32-bit JVM | 15:13 | |
| csaba | apage satanas! | 15:13 |
| bswartz | anyways please add your name to the etherpad if you plan to join the meetup | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz : we are doing lots of unholy things just using openstack =) | 15:14 |
| bswartz | and please propose some more topics so next week we can get a more formal agenda/schedule started | 15:14 |
| bswartz | #topic share dismantling policies | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | #link http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cloud.openstack.devel/58419 | 15:15 |
| csaba | rraja: just in time, my topic is on ;) | 15:15 |
| bswartz | csaba: you're up | 15:15 |
| csaba | so there is that email that's linked, probably the question could be addressed on ml but as we don't have too much for today I thought we could talk it over here | 15:16 |
| * bswartz assumes everyone is reading the thread | 15:16 | |
| bswartz | csaba: are you familiar with what cinder does? | 15:17 |
| csaba | bswartz: no, I'd be happy to hear that | 15:17 |
| csaba | bswartz: I think you mean the first situation, when deleting shares | 15:17 |
| csaba | s/think/assume/ | 15:17 |
| bswartz | the general contract of a delete is: when a user (tenant) deletes a share/volume, the data from that share/volume should never be accessible again to any other user/tenant | 15:17 |
| bswartz | there's no guarantee that a administrator couldn't recover the data | 15:18 |
| csaba | bswartz: OK, that's clear statement | 15:18 |
| markstur | s/any other user/any user/ | 15:18 |
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| csaba | and with unmanage the difference is that the data can come back? | 15:19 |
| bswartz | markstur: yes | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | well unmanage is an admin-only operation | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | csaba, bswartz; unmanage just takes out share out of Manila control, data will still exist | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | yeah let's not bring unmanage into the discussion | 15:20 |
| csaba | vponomaryov: but according to bswartz data can still exist with delete too .. | 15:20 |
| csaba | bswartz: OK | 15:20 |
| bswartz | in cinder there is a problem where delete user data can actually still be accessible to users (including OTHER users) if you don't set a specific option for the LVM driver | 15:21 |
| bswartz | that's definitely NOT okay | 15:21 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: it takes lots of extra time | 15:21 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: and is disabled for testing | 15:21 |
| bswartz | but we don't need to securely delete data so that nobody including the administrator can access it | 15:21 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: correct | 15:22 |
| csaba | so then in cinder adheres the cited contract; implied generic driver adheres that contract in manila ... what's the situation with other drivers? | 15:22 |
| bswartz | csaba: yes | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | csaba: I would expect that when you create a new share, it's always empty (no data in it) | 15:23 |
| csaba | is this contract consensual enough in cloud computing to not have to make an explicit statement on it? | 15:23 |
| bswartz | unless the share is created from a snapshot, of course | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | csaba: in a cloud context you have to trust the cloud admin with your data in any case, because the admin can ALWAYS read your data if he wants to | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | so there's little point is going to the extra effort of securely deleting data on the platters | 15:24 |
| csaba | OK so I'm happy with these answers, we can get to the second part | 15:24 |
| csaba | the disruptiveness of deny-access, whereby disruptiveness my home brewed terminology | 15:25 |
| bswartz | I'm not sure how to understand the second question | 15:25 |
| bswartz | is it about access-deny? | 15:25 |
| csaba | to mean that on access revoking, all users who are not authorized are kicked out | 15:25 |
| csaba | bswartz: indeed, only deny | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: just think how it is without Manila using vanilla NFS | 15:26 |
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| vponomaryov | access rights are verified on "mount" point | 15:26 |
| bswartz | NFS and other protocols have defined semantics for when access is removed, I believe | 15:26 |
| markstur | stale mount | 15:26 |
| csaba | vponomaryov: according to my testing that is disruptive... after the export is removed, further syscalls fail with EACCES | 15:27 |
| bswartz | if the admin tells the server to revoke access to an client, the server immediately starts denying requests from that client | 15:27 |
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| csaba | bswartz: yes, that's what I call disruptive | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | csaba: what error is returned would be up to the client though | 15:27 |
| bswartz | clients cache data and could in theory continue operating from their cache for some time before they find out the server has cut them off | 15:27 |
| bswartz | there's nothing we can do about that in any case -- that's NFS semantics | 15:28 |
| csaba | yeah sure, it can all take effect only when data needs to go thru the wire | 15:28 |
| csaba | so but other drivers might not drop the mount upon access being revoked | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | so I still don't understand what the alternative might be | 15:28 |
| csaba | (which actually is the case with gluster_native | 15:28 |
| csaba | ) | 15:28 |
| bswartz | deny-access means to deny access right now | 15:29 |
| bswartz | how else could it be interpretted | 15:29 |
| csaba | if the tenant has a mount of the share at the point of denial, the mount remains functional | 15:29 |
| bswartz | oh | 15:29 |
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| csaba | however, new mounts cant be made | 15:29 |
| csaba | that's what I call "non-distruptive denial" | 15:29 |
| bswartz | so maybe deny access could be interpreted as no new mounts can be made, but existing mounts can continue? | 15:29 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:30 |
| bswartz | yeah I would say that's the wrong interpretation | 15:30 |
| csaba | yeah, that's the semantical ambiguity I'm concerned about | 15:30 |
| bswartz | I believe that deny should be disruptive, to use your term | 15:30 |
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| csaba | OK, clear point then... | 15:30 |
| bswartz | does anyone disagree about that? | 15:30 |
| cknight | csaba: Can you fix gluster_native to revoke access immediately upon access_deny? | 15:31 |
| markstur | agree | 15:31 |
| cknight | agree | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | should, but do we consider it as requirement for Manila? | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | are we ready to kick some backend support because of it? | 15:31 |
| csaba | cknight: it will take some time, glusterfs changes will be needed | 15:31 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: yes, I think we should have a scenario test that verifies it | 15:31 |
| cknight | bswartz: +1 | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | scenario test: | 15:32 |
| bswartz | 1) create share | 15:32 |
| bswartz | 2) grant access | 15:32 |
| bswartz | 3) mount share | 15:32 |
| bswartz | 4) write some data | 15:32 |
| bswartz | 5) deny access | 15:32 |
| bswartz | 6) write more data | 15:32 |
| bswartz | 7) validate the more data didn't get written | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: scenario test is low-hanging-fruit, I am asking in general | 15:32 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: when some backend does not behave so and can not | 15:32 |
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| vponomaryov | ... and can not as expected | 15:33 |
| bswartz | well I'm curious to know which backend could not implement those semantics | 15:33 |
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| vponomaryov | csaba: said that gluster_native does so | 15:33 |
| csaba | so then as a reward for bringing this up may I ask for some grace time? :) | 15:33 |
| bswartz | it seems like a severe limitation to not have a way to cut off user access on the server side | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | csaba: right? | 15:33 |
| bswartz | csaba: just consider it a bug | 15:34 |
| csaba | vponomaryov: yeah, that's what we just discovered | 15:34 |
| csaba | bswartz: yeah we'll file one | 15:34 |
| csaba | bswartz: how do you mean to get at 7) ? | 15:34 |
| bswartz | csaba: I would fix it in liberty (sooner the better) and also propose a backport because it's a security issue for your driver | 15:35 |
| u_glide | csaba: allow access and re-mount :) | 15:35 |
| bswartz | csaba: for the scenario test there would need to be a second client with access that was not denied | 15:35 |
| bswartz | or what u_glide said | 15:35 |
| csaba | u_glide, bswartz : I thought we'd verify if the mount becomes defunct on denial | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | IMO a second client would be a cleaner way to write the test | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | csaba: we don't care what happens on the client side -- as I said the client defines its own behavior when it loses access | 15:36 |
| bswartz | what we care about is that from the server side, nothing got modified after the access was denied | 15:37 |
| bswartz | a similar test could be done to check that read access was also revoked, which would definitely require a second client | 15:37 |
| csaba | bswartz: so there would be a window of time across with you check if server content is unchanged after denial? | 15:38 |
| csaba | s/with/which/ | 15:38 |
| bswartz | should be pretty immediate when the API request succeeds | 15:38 |
| bswartz | to make the test run stable-ly we might need to insert some fences or fsyncs | 15:39 |
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| csaba | bswartz: OK, that makes sense | 15:39 |
| bswartz | we wouldn't want client caching behavior to make the test non-deterministic | 15:40 |
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| csaba | bswartz: yeah, that was my concern | 15:40 |
| bswartz | okay so did we answer your questions? | 15:40 |
| bswartz | I'll post a reply to the ML thread | 15:40 |
| bswartz | I'm just slow on email so I hadn't gotten to it yet | 15:41 |
| csaba | yep just let me know what's exactly a fence here? informal term or has an exact technical meaning? | 15:41 |
| bswartz | in the case of the scenario test we'd just need to flush write caches after every data write | 15:41 |
| bswartz | before going to the next step | 15:42 |
| csaba | OK | 15:42 |
| bswartz | I think a simple sync will do that | 15:42 |
| csaba | yeah, so my questions got proper answers, thanks. | 15:42 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | anyone have another topic? | 15:43 |
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| cknight | bswartz: Care to update folks on the progression of the replication design? | 15:43 |
| lpabon | yes | 15:43 |
| bswartz | cknight: no ;-) | 15:43 |
| bswartz | lol | 15:44 |
| lpabon | I have the topic of offline share expectation on resize | 15:44 |
| cknight | bswartz: :-) | 15:44 |
| lpabon | Should I send that out on the ML list instead? | 15:44 |
| bswartz | lpabon go ahead | 15:44 |
| lpabon | ok | 15:44 |
| bswartz | for those interested in replication -- I think I mentioned last week that I think manila needs to support AZ and that the replication proposal needs updating based on that, and the update is not done | 15:45 |
| bswartz | lpabon: ? | 15:46 |
| lpabon | oh, I was just going to send it to the ML list :) | 15:46 |
| bswartz | oh okay | 15:46 |
| bswartz | we've got 13 minutes here but ML also works | 15:47 |
| lpabon | ok, i'll start it | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | anyone interested in that can read the chat history in #manila from the last hour | 15:47 |
| lpabon | it all started when I was reviewing the generic driver | 15:47 |
| lpabon | support for shirnking a share | 15:47 |
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| lpabon | It takes the volume offline to be able to shrink the volume | 15:48 |
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| lpabon | It seemed to me that probably most storage systems can do this while online, but some may not | 15:48 |
| lpabon | So, I asked on the #manila channel | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | I'm curious if we know of any system other than generic driver that can't do online expand of share | 15:49 |
| lpabon | I'm almost 100% that gluster can do it online (expansion) | 15:49 |
| bswartz | because if it's just a matter of making the generic driver better then we can undertake that challenge | 15:49 |
| lpabon | bswartz: yeah i agree | 15:49 |
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| lpabon | maybe the question should be: What drivers/storage systems can resize while keeping the share online? | 15:50 |
| lpabon | and which cannot.. | 15:50 |
| u_glide | lpabon: we had pool in ML | 15:50 |
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| ganso_ | lpabon: Resize operation may be different for shrink and extend, for some backends | 15:50 |
| lpabon | ganso_: agreed | 15:51 |
| ganso_ | a backend may be able to extend online, but requires to take share offline to shrink | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | yeah I'm more interested in extend than shink | 15:51 |
| lpabon | What the concern is that to the user, there could be different behaviors on different shares, since they could be coming from different vendors | 15:51 |
| bswartz | ganso_: +1 | 15:51 |
| lpabon | me too | 15:51 |
| bswartz | I can live with shrink requiring the share to go offline, but extend really should be online if at all possible | 15:52 |
| lpabon | But shrinking is important... Imagine paying $$ for some amount of storage space in one month due to a project.. then not needing that much storage the next... | 15:52 |
| ganso_ | hadnt we agreed that all vendors could extend online before, I dont remember | 15:52 |
| lpabon | But what I am asking is really this: | 15:52 |
| u_glide | ganso_: yes we had | 15:53 |
| lpabon | Should we have the everyone conform to the same behavoir | 15:53 |
| bswartz | lpabon: you have 2 recourses: you can suffer the downtime caused by a shrink or you can copy your data to a small share and delete the larger one | 15:53 |
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| lpabon | bswartz: absolutely true. (it was be nice to have a "copy" function :-)) | 15:54 |
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| ganso_ | lpabon: I am working on that :) | 15:54 |
| ganso_ | I am implemeting a copy function for share migration | 15:54 |
| lpabon | but still the question remains.. should the expected behavior be the same across all share vendors | 15:54 |
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| lpabon | that's really more of a philosophical question | 15:55 |
| ganso_ | we could have a shrink fallback that does exactly as bswartz said | 15:55 |
| ganso_ | create a smaller share, copy all data to it | 15:55 |
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| ganso_ | and use the copy function implemented in manila core | 15:56 |
| lpabon | but that takes time, plus the mount point may be different | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | generally speaking I'm in favor of complete consistency | 15:56 |
| ganso_ | true | 15:56 |
| bswartz | I'm treating the generic driver and extend as a special case -- maybe it's the wrong thing to do | 15:56 |
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| lpabon | bswartz: yeah, I am not really coming up with an answer, just asking what we think should be the correct course | 15:56 |
| lpabon | i think users will expect consistency across any share | 15:57 |
| lpabon | consistency of behavior that is | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | inconsistent behavior making me very unhappy and I try to avoid it with designs that allow/enforce consistency | 15:57 |
| lpabon | yeah, that is my concerrn also | 15:58 |
| bswartz | the trouble here is that extend is such an important operation and I'm not willing to block it completely because one driver can't do it right | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | so I'm being hypocritical | 15:58 |
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| lpabon | bswartz: true, i agree, I'm just thinking we need to write it down on the API what the expected behavior is, so that customers selling Manila can tell their customers | 15:59 |
| bswartz | we're almost out of time though so I think an ML post is called for | 15:59 |
| lpabon | sure. will do | 15:59 |
| ganso_ | bswartz: +1 | 15:59 |
| bswartz | thanks everytone | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | everyone* | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 9 16:00:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-07-09-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-07-09-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 9 16:00:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:00 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:00 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:01 |
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| xarses | hi, who's here? | 16:01 |
| mwhahaha | hola | 16:01 |
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| rmoe | hi | 16:02 |
| agordeev | hi | 16:02 |
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| xarses | lets get started | 16:02 |
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| xarses | #topic Seperate criteria for UX bug priority (xarses) | 16:03 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Seperate criteria for UX bug priority (xarses) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:03 | |
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| xarses | We often have bugs which create really poor User eXperience (UX) but our current bug priority criteria prevent nearly all of them from being higher than medium. We need to identify what should qualify as a critical, or high UX defect so that they can receive appropriate attention. | 16:03 |
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| xarses | I was wondering how we should define them so that they can receive appropriate attention | 16:04 |
| kozhukalov_ | hi | 16:04 |
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| akasatkin | hi | 16:05 |
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| mwhahaha | can we use the size of the workaround required to rank them? | 16:05 |
| mwhahaha | or at least the method | 16:06 |
| xarses | like custom node yaml = high? | 16:06 |
| mwhahaha | like if an alternate command should be used (and must be documented) then it's a medium, but if you have to hack any files high+ | 16:06 |
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| mwhahaha | for me custom yaml or anything is high+ | 16:06 |
| mwhahaha | that kind of stuff is confusing and very error prone | 16:07 |
| xarses | we can barely make custom node yaml work, so I agree | 16:07 |
| rmoe | +1 from me too | 16:07 |
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| xarses | so I think we can critical, requires massive effort to work around including un/under documented commands and config files | 16:08 |
| mwhahaha | sounds reasonable | 16:09 |
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| xarses | high could be modification of config files including custom node yaml, but is documented | 16:09 |
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| xarses | medium would be straight forward commands in the cli | 16:09 |
| xarses | ok, I will write up this and pass it around on the ML for further comment | 16:10 |
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| xarses | moving on | 16:10 |
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| xarses | #topic flexible networking (akasatkin) | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "flexible networking (akasatkin) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:10 | |
| akasatkin | spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195109/ | 16:11 |
| akasatkin | network roles descriptions are merged so we can move with them to remove | 16:11 |
| akasatkin | hardcode from serializer, rework allocation of VIPs, proceed with verification | 16:11 |
| akasatkin | of network roles in template. | 16:11 |
| akasatkin | tasks in progress: | 16:11 |
| akasatkin | Nailgun: complete templates API and serialization, removing of hardcode from serializer, Nova-Network support in Nailgun | 16:11 |
| akasatkin | Library: network roles separation, no-op tests, test Nova-Network | 16:11 |
| akasatkin | QA: test Nova-Network, templates, writing tests for templates | 16:11 |
| akasatkin | Observed issue with Nova-Network: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1472529 | 16:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1472529 in Fuel for OpenStack "[kilo] Swarm tests for nova network on ubunru failed on openstack-controller with No ability to determine if nova_floating_range exists " [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Ivan Berezovskiy (iberezovskiy) | 16:11 |
| akasatkin | Successful deployment with templates is not confirmed for now. But we had successful deployment before Kilo was merged. | 16:11 |
| akasatkin | It takes time to separate issues with our code from issues with recently merged Kilo. | 16:11 |
| akasatkin | Now we don't have our CI green, it is a merge blocker for library team. | 16:11 |
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| xarses | akasatkin: are we on track for landing before SCF? | 16:12 |
| xarses | do you need anything from other teams? | 16:12 |
| akasatkin | yes, if we'll get our CI green recently | 16:12 |
| xarses | fantastic | 16:13 |
| akasatkin | no, apparently, additional help is now strongly required but we could land some more into nailgun.. | 16:13 |
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| akasatkin | not strongly required | 16:14 |
| xarses | so we need more reviewers in nailgun | 16:14 |
| xarses | ok, lets poke some people if thats the case | 16:14 |
| akasatkin | we could cover more flexible story if any... | 16:14 |
| akasatkin | yep, reviewes are welcome | 16:14 |
| xenolog | Help from Murano team may be required. | 16:15 |
| xarses | xenolog: what do we need? | 16:15 |
| xenolog | I will request it. if required, at monday | 16:15 |
| xarses | ok boris sits behind me now | 16:15 |
| xarses | ok moving on | 16:16 |
| xarses | #topic removing classic provisioning (agordeev) | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "removing classic provisioning (agordeev) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:16 | |
| agordeev | hi | 16:16 |
| xenolog | Moving RMQ to a dedicated network may affect their infractructure. | 16:16 |
| agordeev | Feature implementation is mostly done. | 16:16 |
| agordeev | Proposed change was merged just yesterday. | 16:16 |
| agordeev | QA will try the feature within few days, once 7.0 ISO becomes more stable. It's too tricky to get operatable ISO these days due to Kilo has been merged. | 16:16 |
| xarses | agordeev: so do you have any blockers you want to raise? | 16:18 |
| agordeev | xarses: nope, i don't have any | 16:19 |
| xarses | fantastic, let us know if it changes | 16:19 |
| xarses | moving on | 16:19 |
| xarses | #topic Granular deployment (mattymo) | 16:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Granular deployment (mattymo) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:19 | |
| mattymo | thanks xarses | 16:20 |
| mattymo | We've overcome many of our nailgun issues and gotten everything related to to plugins merged. I have a working initial plugin here. | 16:20 |
| mattymo | https://github.com/mattymo/detach-db | 16:20 |
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| mattymo | It works overall, but there are some glitches in our haproxy manifests that require tweaks. mwhahaha is working on straightening that out | 16:20 |
| mattymo | and dilyin is working on fixing our top level task for virtual_ips to make that more flexible with what's in hiera | 16:21 |
| xarses | cool, do we have a separate plugin with just the override function in it? | 16:21 |
| mattymo | a separate plugin for just override hiera doesn't make a lot of sense... | 16:21 |
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| mattymo | xarses, each plugin would need its own override | 16:21 |
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| xarses | I've been talking with some people about it for other cases | 16:21 |
| xarses | it would be good to have it as an example | 16:21 |
| mattymo | yeah, this is just an example. I expect we'll get this example even simpler after we clean up haproxy and vips | 16:22 |
| xarses | it also makes custom node yaml function nearly obsolete | 16:22 |
| mattymo | Little to report this week about project progress, except for finding some new holes (VIPs and haproxy tasks) in our separating work in fuel-library. | 16:22 |
| mattymo | The light at the end of the tunnel is very close. We're nearly ready for the keystone client-driven endpoint/user creation to be merged, but we had some requirements shift at the end of last week, and we have to refactor a bit more. | 16:22 |
| mattymo | The next big jump is separate neutron and its agents, which started development this week. | 16:22 |
| xarses | (it really does with network templates) | 16:22 |
| xarses | mattymo: any other issues / blockers ? | 16:22 |
| xarses | besides haproxy | 16:22 |
| mattymo | we're not blocked by custom VIPs, node roles, etc, because we have workarounds | 16:23 |
| mattymo | but they will be delivered by feature freeze | 16:23 |
| mattymo | OSTF workaround still needs to be tested.. so I'll report on that probably early next week | 16:23 |
| xarses | any adverse impact expected from them landing? | 16:24 |
| mattymo | I hope not :) | 16:24 |
| xarses | ok | 16:24 |
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| xarses | moving on | 16:24 |
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| xarses | thats the end of the schedule | 16:24 |
| xarses | #topic open discussion | 16:24 |
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| xarses | anything anyone wants to raise / discuss? | 16:25 |
| mattymo | xarses, I saw part of your demo on multiple l3 | 16:26 |
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| mattymo | xarses, any plans to add a deploy mode to vbox scripts? | 16:26 |
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| xarses | mattymo: I'm not sure that It will be easy to setup. I spoke with rmoe at length to improve the story in kvm, it's hard there too. | 16:27 |
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| xarses | I'm gonna work through the video and prepare a writeup / blog post / docs | 16:27 |
| mattymo | xarses, okay. let's move that to a mailing list thread | 16:27 |
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| xarses | maybe record another video to share externally | 16:27 |
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| xarses | at that point we may have enough people on board with the topic to help getting it setup in virtualbox | 16:28 |
| xarses | sounds good | 16:28 |
| xarses | if there's nothing else. I'll close the meeting | 16:29 |
| xarses | in a minute | 16:29 |
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| xarses | ok thanks guys | 16:31 |
| xarses | #endmeeting | 16:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 9 16:31:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-07-09-16.00.html | 16:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-07-09-16.00.txt | 16:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-07-09-16.00.log.html | 16:31 |
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| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
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| elmiko | hi | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | heya | 17:00 |
| timkennedy | hi o/ | 17:00 |
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| browne | hi | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 9 17:00:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
| hyakuhei | o/ | 17:00 |
| michaelxin | hi | 17:00 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 17:01 |
| Daviey | \o | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:01 |
| elmiko | o/ | 17:01 |
| timkennedy | o/ | 17:01 |
| browne | o/ | 17:01 |
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| nkinder | Hi all | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | Hey, what a great crowd we have today :) | 17:01 |
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| chair6 | \o/ | 17:01 |
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| dg_ | Hi everyone | 17:02 |
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| Daviey | ugly bunch. | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Agenda for today: | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Anchor | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Bandit | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Infra Changes | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Formalizing Meeting Process | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | MidCycle | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Crypto BootStrap | 17:02 |
| mvaldes | hello | 17:02 |
| nkinder | OSSN parsing tools | 17:03 |
| michaelxin | update on API testing | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | Great | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | So reminder that the Agenda is over here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/OpenStackSecurity#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | Lots to get through today, lets start | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Anchor | 17:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Anchor (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:05 | |
| dg_ | regarding the change to the API that is pending atm | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | There's a patch in flight that includes an API change - not a problem as it's not used that much atm | 17:05 |
| dg_ | yeah that | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | More the function I wanted peoples opinion on | 17:05 |
| dg_ | is it worth realeasing a version that uses the old api, and a version that uses the new API | 17:05 |
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| elmiko | i wouldn't think so | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Anchor makes it easy to do siloed PKI (deploying multiple CAs) | 17:06 |
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| dg_ | i.e. 1.0 is old, 2.0 is new, or something, so its clear that there is a change and which one you are getting | 17:06 |
| dg_ | with regards to the change, I like it | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | dg_: We don't have any tagged releases atm | 17:06 |
| elmiko | otoh, have you considerd some sort of microversions to allow either? | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | but feedback is that it's actually annoyingly complicated to stand up lots of the same service | 17:06 |
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| Daviey | A short amount of pain for current users feels reasonable to get onto well versioned API support in the future. | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | The patch will allow a single Anchor instance to sign with multiple CAs | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | So you can do cryptographic separation of trust but with a single Anchor instance. I prefer proper silo's but this is a good middle ground | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | Anyone think it's a really bad idea? | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190473/ | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | ^ There's the link if anyone wants to take a look | 17:09 |
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| tkelsey | o/ | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei | hi tkelsey - we're talking Anchor, I just brought up the big patch that changes the API. Anything else to discuss before we roll on to bandit? | 17:09 |
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| tkelsey | ah right, nothing on my radat | 17:10 |
| tkelsey | *radar | 17:10 |
| nkinder | hyakuhei: No, it's a fine idea for certain situations | 17:10 |
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| Daviey | Quick one on Anchor, I wanted to propose that the project moves to global-requirements managed requirements.txt, rather than self managed. This is how all well integrated OpenStack projects manage their requirements. Tracked via bug #1472540 . | 17:10 |
| openstack | bug 1472540 in Anchor "Anchor doesn't follow global-requirements contracts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1472540 - Assigned to Dave Walker (davewalker) | 17:10 |
| nkinder | We did something similar in Dogtag | 17:10 |
| Daviey | I've pushed up two WIP branches to do it, and Stan has made a first attempt at making openstack/requirements match our needs | 17:10 |
| Daviey | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1472540,n,z | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | tkelsey: I thought we had Bandit jobs running on Anchor but I don't see anything in the Jenkins checks on gerrit | 17:10 |
| tkelsey | Daviey: +1 | 17:10 |
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| tkelsey | hyakuhei: run "check experimental" | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks Daviey | 17:10 |
| nkinder | if you want separation, use multiple instances. If you don't need complete separation, use multiple signing certs in one instance. | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | you guys are still experimental? get with the times, "voting" is where it's at :) | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: That's my thinking too but I wanted a sanity check | 17:11 |
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| tkelsey | lol yeah, when I have some spare cycles I'll sort that | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:11 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: ^^ | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bandit (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:12 | |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey is dropping patches like a madman | 17:12 |
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| tkelsey | so I got patch happy on Bandit over the last few days | 17:12 |
| elmiko | yea, tkelsey++ | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | https://review.openstack.org/199249 | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://review.openstack.org/199249 | 17:12 |
| tkelsey | some interesting changes and improvements | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://review.openstack.org/199548 | 17:12 |
| tkelsey | thanks tmcpeak | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://review.openstack.org/199582 | 17:12 |
| ukbelch | I will get my review of them done today, promise... | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | and Stan did this: https://review.openstack.org/199927 | 17:13 |
| browne | i'll take a look also | 17:13 |
| tkelsey | one thing to think about is the removal of the statement buffer, and the concept of a "statement" interested parties please way in on that in the review | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | so basically, Tim has put up "removing Statement Buffer" which is big, makes the code tons cleaner | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | "Faster Bandit" which is just plain cool | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | and a new test for Except with pass | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | lol I like Stans patch. | 17:13 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah, for sure | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | Stan's patch is simple but really useful | 17:14 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | I'd like to roll a new version sooner than later when this stuff lands | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | I think faster cleaner Bandit can benefit all | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | no reason to wait 2 months for another | 17:14 |
| tkelsey | :) | 17:14 |
| ukbelch | I'm the key "statement" proponent :) | 17:14 |
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| tmcpeak | so reviewsies all around | 17:15 |
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| tkelsey | yes, ukbelch is pro-statement, hence looking for a discussion on this | 17:15 |
| ukbelch | apparently I'm the only one who cares about that bit :P | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | hoping to get this stuff landed today so we can beat tomorrow's move to #openstack | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: you around? | 17:15 |
| browne | tmcpeak: from stackforge to openstack? | 17:15 |
| bknudson | I think I need to put in the keystone bandit.conf a note that says what version it's written for | 17:15 |
| tkelsey | ah yes, thats a good point, we go "openstack" tomorrow :) | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197672/ | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | ^ | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | yep | 17:15 |
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| tmcpeak | bknudson: how's the voting keystone gate working out? | 17:16 |
| bknudson | tmcpeak: no complaints | 17:16 |
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| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:16 |
| tkelsey | bknudson: awesome :) | 17:16 |
| Daviey | bknudson: Has it caught anything that we know of? | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: you get anywhere with a list of projects using Bandit? | 17:16 |
| tkelsey | well i emailed -dev | 17:16 |
| tkelsey | but only got one resp back, cinder uses it as a tox target but not in the gate | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | ahh ok cool | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | would be nice to track efforts to integrate with projects, maybe we can work this at the midcycle | 17:17 |
| Daviey | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/068541.html | 17:17 |
| tkelsey | yeah | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | also I talked to Jelle - the guy that did the XML output, and he said archlinux is looking to bundle Bandit | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | so that's pretty cool | 17:17 |
| tkelsey | thanks Daviey | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: That's awesome. | 17:17 |
| tkelsey | nice | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | more the merrier :) | 17:18 |
| browne | tkelsey: cinder doesn't yet. patch still in review | 17:18 |
| browne | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179568/ | 17:18 |
| tkelsey | ah ok, thanks browne | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | browne: you're also working on Nova, right? | 17:18 |
| browne | yep | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:18 |
| browne | both have one +2, but looks like i have a merge conflict on cinder | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | ahh ok | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | cool, so that's good progress for Bandit this week | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent | 17:19 |
| tkelsey | browne: excellent work | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | anybody else have anything they want to bring up for it? | 17:19 |
| Daviey | For giggles, I might try and run it against cinder. | 17:19 |
| Daviey | err, glance, rather | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | So next up I was going to mention the infra changes but that came up during this discussion so we'll roll onto the next agenda item | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OpenStack Security Guide | 17:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Security Guide (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:20 | |
| hyakuhei | sicarie: What's occuring? | 17:20 |
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| sicarie | Lots of fun | 17:20 |
| sicarie | we have the specs repo set up (thanks pdesai) | 17:20 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 17:20 |
| sicarie | so we're going to upload a bp for the rst migration | 17:20 |
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| sicarie | other than that, we're going to try to plan for a way to break subjects down a bit easier so that we can try to do a sprint during the mid-cycle | 17:21 |
| sicarie | and that's about it right now | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Infra Changes | 17:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Infra Changes (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:21 | |
| hyakuhei | So as well us getting the namespace moved for Anchor/Bandit | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | We also now have a specs-repo for security things | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | woot | 17:22 |
| dg_ | oh we are under openstack now? | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/security-specs | 17:22 |
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| hyakuhei | keep up dg_! | 17:22 |
| dg_ | you'll be telling me the date has changed next! | 17:22 |
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| chair6 | that namespace shift will be happening at the gerrit level on Friday, July 10th, at 22:00 UTC | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | It needed cores, I've set it up so that Anchor,Bandit and Security-Doc cores are there initially | 17:23 |
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| chair6 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/068848.html | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | Is that ok with everyone? | 17:23 |
| chair6 | seems legit to me.. | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | Cool | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | So we should probably organise the repo somehow | 17:23 |
| tkelsey | LGTM | 17:23 |
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| hyakuhei | Is it dumb to just have a directory for each major project? | 17:24 |
| elmiko | i dont think so | 17:24 |
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| nkinder | yeah, I think that approach is fine | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | do we want them per release? | 17:25 |
| timkennedy | no. the easier things are to find, the more likely they are to be used | 17:25 |
| sicarie | +1 | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | Cool | 17:25 |
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| hyakuhei | We can always refactor later if it gets messy I guess | 17:25 |
| Daviey | hyakuhei: By simple project, or ./release/project ? | 17:25 |
| elmiko | i guess project/release dir structure is easy enough | 17:25 |
| timkennedy | +1 | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | ok, so ./release/project seems sensible | 17:26 |
| Daviey | Other projects do $release first | 17:26 |
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| Daviey | right. | 17:26 |
| elmiko | fair | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | looking around that's probably going to be specs/release/project | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | because there's a few other things we'll want in the root | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | readme's etc | 17:26 |
| elmiko | yea | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | Ok cool, I'll make the change later today | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | #action hyakuhei to setup basic repo layout | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | sicarie: are you happy with that? | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: you too (for OSSN ) | 17:27 |
| sicarie | hyakuhei: yep, works for me | 17:27 |
| nkinder | yep | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | great, what's best practice regarding casing, all lower? | 17:27 |
| nkinder | yes, I think so | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | great. | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OSSN (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:28 | |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: ^ | 17:28 |
| tkelsey | so I failed to pick up an OSSN last week, will try again this coming week | 17:28 |
| nkinder | tkelsey: no problem | 17:29 |
| nkinder | I saw that Daviey picked one up (thanks!) | 17:29 |
| Daviey | nkinder: Actually 2 :) | 17:29 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | I successfully picked one up and did nothing on it | 17:29 |
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| nkinder | ...then thanks*2 | 17:29 |
| nkinder | I've been working on an OSSN parsing tool | 17:29 |
| Daviey | They were closely linked and i hard to learn the detail of them both to work on one, so i thought i might aswell do both :) | 17:29 |
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| nkinder | At first, I was looking at having us write notes in YAML, which we could then output to various formats (text for e-mail, wiki markup, etc.) | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | I have acquired an option on one of the OSSN issues | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | :P | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder: Is the intention to stay with the current pretty open format or to move to something 'parsable' ? | 17:30 |
| nkinder | writing notes in YAML doesn't really work well | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | nkinder: how come? | 17:30 |
| nkinder | ...for various reasons of formatting | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | That's how the cool kids on the VMT do it. | 17:30 |
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| nkinder | We do all sorts of example snippets, etc. | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | true | 17:31 |
| nkinder | it seems more error prone to write in YAML, and a larger barrier to entry for no benefit | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | hmm yeah - YAML doesn't have a triple quoted option or something? | 17:31 |
| nkinder | The reason we wanted YAML is for parsing | 17:31 |
| nkinder | We can parse without YAML, which is what I've done | 17:31 |
| elmiko | cool | 17:31 |
| Daviey | hyakuhei: Making it able to parse might actually be more complicated than is helpful atm, as I am certain more fields will want to be added as they evolve.. | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | gmurphy: ^ | 17:31 |
| nkinder | I pushed up what I have thus far - https://github.com/nkinder/ossn-tools | 17:31 |
| nkinder | Daviey: We want it to be parseable so we can have tools that can check OSSNs against a config file that represents a particular deployment | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | Daviey: you might be right, but they've been going for a few years now, evolution isn't going to be fast | 17:32 |
| nkinder | an "am I vulnerable" tool is my ultimate goal | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | And we want to be able to index them, do smart things | 17:32 |
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| hyakuhei | nkinder: +1 | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:32 |
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| hyakuhei | or "I'm running $release - what should I be aware of" | 17:32 |
| elmiko | nice idea | 17:32 |
| nkinder | So, I can parse them with the ossn.py module in my repo, then output in a few forms (including YAML) | 17:32 |
| nkinder | Here is an example with elmiko's recent note.... | 17:33 |
| nkinder | http://paste.openstack.org/raw/359070/ | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | I'm guessing that would mean there's an intermediate step of verification/tweaking before publishing? | 17:33 |
| nkinder | This is just dumping the parsed OSSN with repr() | 17:33 |
| Daviey | nkinder: Is it expected that old notes should be revisited to add this useful data? | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | ^such a thing would be fine | 17:33 |
| nkinder | Daviey: it already works with old notes though | 17:33 |
| nkinder | ...but yes, we can update them | 17:33 |
| Daviey | nkinder: Sorry, i meant adding search strings for configs etc. | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | interesting how in discussion the list alternates using " and ' | 17:34 |
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| tmcpeak | or does it just use ' unless it can't | 17:35 |
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| nkinder | tmcpeak: most likely | 17:35 |
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| tmcpeak | anyway it's pretty cool stuff nkinder | 17:35 |
| nkinder | so we get nice lists that are easily manipulated/searched in python | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah nice work nkinder thank you | 17:35 |
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| elmiko | agreed, nkinder++ | 17:35 |
| nkinder | I split otu known releases and services from other free-form stuff in the affected releases section | 17:35 |
| nkinder | ...because we do thinks like say "all of the things" for issues like POODLE | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | We need to build out more functions on or as children of security.openstack.org | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | This being one of the main ones | 17:36 |
| nkinder | spitting out to YAML looks like this - http://paste.openstack.org/raw/359071/ | 17:36 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei: that would be awesome | 17:36 |
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| nkinder | I'm sort of at a point where I don't think we should care about it being YAML, as I coudl just write a tool with what I have already to allow for finding all notes that affect a certain release+service | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | this is true.. so what format would you like it to live in nkinder? | 17:37 |
| nkinder | I'd rather chase use-cases than formats | 17:37 |
| elmiko | yea, probably not worht worrying about the yaml | 17:37 |
| nkinder | the same one they are now | 17:37 |
| Daviey | nkinder: fancy pushing test.py up somewhere, i'd like to test it on the ones i am writing now | 17:37 |
| nkinder | Daviey: it's in my github repo | 17:38 |
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| Daviey | super | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | fair enough, as long as we can parse it reliably should be good | 17:38 |
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| nkinder | the other thing we can use it for is to slurp in a note, then spit it back out in text form | 17:38 |
| nkinder | this would handle line-wrapping, etc. | 17:38 |
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| nkinder | that might be a good gate check. See if the input == output | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | I think standardizing on some format has advantages like allowing other people to write tools that don't have to depend on some intermediate tool but if we setup the CI so that when an OSSN was accepted it got dumped out into the repo (via your tool) in some other formats (like you've demonstrated just now) that'd be perfectly acceptable | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, sounds good | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | cool - good work nkinder | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | @all we need to get more of these OSSN processed | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | #topic MidCycle | 17:41 |
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| bknudson | I updated the dates on the wiki... it said "Seattle" for the month and "Mon-Thu" for the days | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | It would be good to get more people involved, I'm keen to get some other companies sending people | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | thanks bknudson | 17:41 |
| mvaldes | i will have time before next week to start helping out | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | bring your friends! | 17:42 |
| elmiko | i'd really like to go, just not sure if it's possible :/ | 17:42 |
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| michaelxin | I hope my boss will say "yes" | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko: Don't be afraid to hold your breath until they say you can | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | We're a proper project now after all. Just think of all the glory you'll get | 17:44 |
| elmiko | lol! | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | ok next up | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | #topic API Testing | 17:44 |
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| michaelxin | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | michaelxin: ^^ | 17:44 |
| michaelxin | ok | 17:45 |
| michaelxin | We have two developers working on the PoC | 17:45 |
| michaelxin | They will have it ready this week. | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: what's the approach? | 17:45 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | That's great, I can't wait to see it | 17:46 |
| michaelxin | We will test, bug-fix, update documents. | 17:46 |
| michaelxin | Then, can we push it stack forge? | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | sounds good | 17:46 |
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| hyakuhei | Seems like a good idea | 17:47 |
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| hyakuhei | Looking forward to seeing what you've come up with | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | Anything else to add? | 17:47 |
| elmiko | likewise | 17:47 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Meeting process | 17:48 |
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| michaelxin | I will be gone in next four weeks | 17:48 |
| michaelxin | mvaldes will keep giving updates | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | Cool, thanks michaelxin, mvaldes | 17:48 |
| mvaldes | :) | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:48 |
| michaelxin | He will lead the efforts to make this available. | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | So I wanted to talk for a moment about meeting process. | 17:48 |
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| hyakuhei | The minutes from each meeting get linked to our meeting page some time after we finish | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/OpenStackSecurity#2015 | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | It would be good to start using some more of the meetbot features | 17:49 |
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| elmiko | you mean like action, info, etc? | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | what you have in mind? | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | #link http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html#user-reference | 17:49 |
| bknudson | if there's already a link on http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/ then do we need to link again on the wiki page? | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | So using more actions, idea tags | 17:49 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:50 |
| Daviey | Sounds reasonable. | 17:50 |
| mvaldes | i like that a lot | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | bknudson: Just makes it easier to find but no, probably not, it's just "what we've always done" | 17:50 |
| chair6 | good to see you're finally jumping on teh hashtag bandwagon, hyakuhei.. | 17:50 |
| bknudson | #bandwagon | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | #idea until we get used to them, I'll try to drop a link to the meetbot reference at the start of meetings | 17:51 |
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| hyakuhei | ^ see what I did there? | 17:51 |
| Daviey | #vote | 17:51 |
| Daviey | Whilst on this subject... | 17:51 |
| Daviey | sicarie: I can't remember, was it agreed to creating a meeting entry for Doc's on openstack-infra/irc-meetings? | 17:51 |
| elmiko | bknudson: you totally made me search that page lol | 17:51 |
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| Daviey | (ie formalising it) | 17:52 |
| sicarie | Daviey: yes I tried to hit the doc team meeting this week and managed to miss both | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | Of particular use might be the #chair and #unchair commands. | 17:52 |
| sicarie | There is a page that currently exists with "specialty" doc meeting info, we're the only one not populated :( | 17:52 |
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| Daviey | sicarie: Sorry, I mean the monday security one. | 17:52 |
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| tmcpeak | haha | 17:53 |
| sicarie | Yep, I actualy have half an email drafted to the doc team lead to make sure there's nothing I missed | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | #unchair | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | #unchair | 17:53 |
| elmiko | sicarie: nice | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | :\ doesn't work | 17:53 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:53 |
| Daviey | sicarie: Does it involve their input? | 17:53 |
| Daviey | (We can take this offline) | 17:54 |
| sicarie | Daviey: not really, they just know where all those pages are that should be updated | 17:54 |
| Daviey | ah right | 17:54 |
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| Daviey | EOF | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | Ok lets move to AOB | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Any Other Business | 17:55 |
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| bknudson | keystone mid-cycle is next week | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | Cool, let us know if anything exciting happens or if assistance is required with anything! | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | #info I'm taking a couple of weeks vacation, any volunteers to run things here in my absence? | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | I can take it | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | when are you out and back? | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | #agree tmcpeak to lead Security meetings in hyakuhei's absence | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | make sure to use lots of #tags. It'll make chair6 happy | 17:57 |
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| tmcpeak | oh yeah, I'm all about tags | 17:57 |
| chair6 | i think you meant #agreed? | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | It's aliased | 17:57 |
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| hyakuhei | chair6: trying to school me twice eh? | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | he smells weakness | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | ok anything else? | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | Remember to throw things in the agenda for next week | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | #chair tmcpeak | 17:58 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | #unchair hyakuhei | 17:58 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | well that half worked. | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | :P | 17:59 |
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| hyakuhei | tmcpeak: want to close it down? | 17:59 |
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| tmcpeak | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 9 17:59:14 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-07-09-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | thanks everybody! | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-07-09-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| nkinder | thanks! | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-07-09-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
| Daviey | Thanks o/ | 17:59 |
| elmiko | thanks | 17:59 |
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| chair6 | later y'all | 17:59 |
| tkelsey | thanks all | 17:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hey sahara folks! | 17:59 |
| esikachev | hi! | 17:59 |
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| vgridnev | hey | 17:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 9 17:59:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 17:59 |
| alazarev | o/ | 18:00 |
| elmiko | heyo/ | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:00 |
| weiting | Hi | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's wait for a few mins | 18:00 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov, will you chair? | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for other folks | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, yeah, the PTLs overview will be one hour later ;) | 18:00 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #chair alazarev | 18:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SergeyLukjanov alazarev | 18:01 |
| tosky | o/ | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | to be sure that someone will end the meeting :) | 18:01 |
| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov :) | 18:01 |
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| egafford | \o | 18:01 |
| pino|work | o/ | 18:01 |
| elmiko | updated the agenda to remove last weeks item about spark | 18:01 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, yeah, thx | 18:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov ping | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic sahara@horizon status (crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov) | 18:02 |
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| crobertsrh | howdy | 18:02 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-reviews-in-horizon | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hey :) | 18:02 |
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| crobertsrh | We've had a few changes go through, not a ton of progress | 18:03 |
| crobertsrh | The move to contrib patch is up | 18:03 |
| crobertsrh | hopefully, once the move is done, we can get patches through a bit quicker (after we rebase them, of course) | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | heh, yeah, hopefully | 18:03 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anything else re horizon? | 18:03 |
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| tosky | crobertsrh: so is the sahara part fully separated, from the source point of view? Interesting | 18:04 |
| tosky | it seems that the existing (two) selenium integration tests are still happy | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, it seems still really mixed | 18:05 |
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| tosky | oh, I see | 18:05 |
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| crobertsrh | It's mostly still the same imho | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh, ++ | 18:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but it's logically separated | 18:05 |
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| crobertsrh | The move to contrib patch is here... | 18:06 |
| crobertsrh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197363/ | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, thx | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:06 |
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| sreshetnyak | o/ | 18:06 |
| egafford | crobertsrh: "blueprint plugin-sanity" is excellent. | 18:06 |
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| vgridnev | i am working for several bugs and ntp support in plugins | 18:07 |
| crobertsrh | how could anyone -1 a bp like that | 18:07 |
| elmiko | i'm working on the conversion to use keystone sessions for authentication. also, writing up an abstract for tokyo on using spark with sahara to process streaming logs from openstack services. | 18:07 |
| sreshetnyak | no updates from me | 18:08 |
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| egafford | Working on a few changes in parallel (specs for two stages of manila integration for binary storage, trusts for long-running clusters to permit cleanup.) On the latter, question: is alazarev still on leave? | 18:08 |
| esikachev | i am working on the cluster-verification checks | 18:08 |
| alazarev | I'm back from parental leave starting from today | 18:08 |
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| egafford | alazarev: Cool; I have a question for you then. | 18:08 |
| egafford | (Will wait for discussion.) | 18:08 |
| tosky | working on the small change on scenario tests (configuration files) now the spec is approved, it will be ready soooon | 18:09 |
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| huichun | working on recurrence schedule edp | 18:09 |
| alazarev | egafford, yes, I still remember something about work :) | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky, cool, looking forward for the scenario templates | 18:09 |
| huichun | and also with suspend resume edp jobs | 18:09 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | huichun, great, with this stuff we'll have some kind of additional job lifecycle management | 18:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:10 |
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| huichun | SergeyLukjanov: Hi Sergey, do we need suspend and resume edp job feature? | 18:10 |
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| tmckay | so no updates for me, I have been on PTO for a while :) | 18:10 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ I've been working on HDP 2.2 plugin | 18:11 |
| tmckay | time to catch up on reviews | 18:11 |
| NikitaKonovalov | mainly on HA and EDP stuff | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | huichun, it's a good q., do you have the use case for it? | 18:11 |
| huichun | tmckay: lots of edp enhancement spec needs your review ^_^ | 18:11 |
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| tmckay | huichun, noted, I'll try hard to review them | 18:11 |
| tmckay | long vacation | 18:11 |
| alazarev | huichun, I'll join to review too | 18:11 |
| egafford | alazarev: I note that in your spec for trusts to enable cluster cleanup, you suggest that trust ids should be stored in memory on the context. However, in a distributed Sahara install, this will mean that only one server will be able to cleanup any one cluster. That means, in turn, that we will always need to run that cleanup job on every node, or we'll need to find a solution for distributing the trust ids among engine nodes | 18:12 |
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| huichun | SergeyLukjanov: for example, if one job has many steps, user want to suspend this job when finish the first step, to check if the log or data is right, then resume this job | 18:12 |
| huichun | alazarev: thx ^_^ | 18:13 |
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| alazarev | egafford, it was for "create/scale cluster" operation. The whole task is done by one engine now. | 18:13 |
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| alazarev | egafford, for clean we need to store it in DB, what spec are you referencing? | 18:15 |
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| egafford | alazarev: (Aggregating links) | 18:15 |
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| egafford | alazarev: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sahara/+bug/1468722 covers a bug with periodic cluster cleanup (no trust-clusters cannot be cleaned up.) | 18:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468722 in Sahara "Periodic cleanup of non-final clusters moves the cluster into Error instead of removing it" [High,New] - Assigned to Ethan Gafford (egafford) | 18:16 |
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| egafford | alazarev: When we discussed this, you pointed me to the spec: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/sahara-specs/specs/kilo/cluster-creation-with-trust.html | 18:17 |
| egafford | The line "Trust is stored in memory only (probably context is the good place to put it). No serialization to DB." is a bit of a problem for the periodic cluster cleanup job. | 18:18 |
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| alazarev | egafford, I see, this spec is for long operation inside one engine, it will not work "as is" for clean up | 18:18 |
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| alazarev | egafford, but they both can use the same mechanism (e.g. with trust stored in DB) | 18:19 |
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| alazarev | egafford, or can use different (e.g. because long operation doesn't need trust in DB), need to think more | 18:20 |
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| alazarev | egafford, do you have thoughts about? | 18:20 |
| egafford | alazarev: Right; that was my thought. I'll submit a patch to the spec for review, then, and we can talk about it there. I've got an impl nearly complete. Well, I don't actually see a great deal of sec difference between storing a trust for a transient cluster and storing a temporary trust for a long-running cluster. Either could contain extremely sensitive data. | 18:21 |
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| elmiko | i dont think storing the trust id is necessarily a sec concern | 18:22 |
| elmiko | you still need a valid auth token to do anything useful | 18:22 |
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| egafford | I think if we're okay with one, the other makes sense. I can see an argument the other way (a long-running cluster trust allows a malicious user to create a backdoor for attack for longer,) but. elmiko: That makes sense. | 18:22 |
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| egafford | Okay, I have enough information to keep working. Thanks alazarev, elmiko. | 18:23 |
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| elmiko | the other option would be for each server instance to generate a trust with similar permissions | 18:24 |
| elmiko | then each instance would have separate permissions to remove the cluster, or whatever operation is needed | 18:25 |
| egafford | Sure; just create a trust on demand if you need one but don't have it. | 18:26 |
| alazarev | elmiko, what do you mean by "server"? | 18:26 |
| elmiko | i meant, -engine server | 18:26 |
| elmiko | does that make sense? | 18:26 |
| alazarev | to create trust you need valid token | 18:26 |
| elmiko | yea | 18:27 |
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| alazarev | you can't create at "clean up" time | 18:27 |
| egafford | Right, and we only have a valid token for the tenant plane while we're creating the nodes. | 18:27 |
| elmiko | i meant more that each sahara instance could create a trust, then they each would have permissions on the cluster | 18:28 |
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| elmiko | that way there is no need to share a trust between sahara instances | 18:28 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko, what if the new -engine added after the last op on a cluster? | 18:28 |
| elmiko | each could contain a seprate trust id in their context | 18:28 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (added == reloaded for example) | 18:29 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: good point, that could get tricky coordinating the actions | 18:29 |
| elmiko | maybe this is not a good way to approach it | 18:29 |
| egafford | elmiko: Yeah, I don't think we have any other fanout-type messaging tricks, and we probably don't want them unless we *really* need them. | 18:29 |
| elmiko | right | 18:30 |
| elmiko | probably storing to db is the easiest solution | 18:30 |
| alazarev | elmiko, api doesn't know how many engines we have, it is not possible to create trusts for all of them | 18:30 |
| egafford | elmiko: So it really comes down to "is it safe to store trust_ids in the database?" If the answer is broadly yes, then all is pretty well. | 18:30 |
| elmiko | alazarev: ah, interesting. i did not know that | 18:31 |
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| elmiko | egafford: i think it is, but i can research a little more. | 18:31 |
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| egafford | alazarev: There are AMQP tricks that could conceivably deal with that (fanout messages) but they're usually troublesome. | 18:31 |
| elmiko | iirc we store the proxy domain trusts in the db temporarily | 18:31 |
| egafford | alazarev: Haven't looked into oslo_messaging support of that featureset. | 18:32 |
| egafford | alazarev: (And I hope not to. :) ) | 18:32 |
| elmiko | another option would be to use barbican for external secret storage | 18:32 |
| elmiko | (if needed) | 18:32 |
| egafford | elmiko: That is not a bad idea at all if we need it, yeah. | 18:32 |
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| alazarev | barbican could be optional only, I think | 18:33 |
| elmiko | but i think its generally safe to store a trust id | 18:33 |
| alazarev | we don't want to depend on barbican for now | 18:33 |
| elmiko | alazarev: yea, we'd have to use the castellan approach | 18:33 |
| egafford | alazarev: +1 optional Barbican. | 18:33 |
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| elmiko | it would be similar to what we're proposing for secret storage now. use the db as a default with the option to improve to barbican | 18:34 |
| egafford | elmiko: Right; we could piggyback on the same interface. | 18:34 |
| elmiko | yea | 18:35 |
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| elmiko | speaking of which, #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179393/ :cough: | 18:35 |
| elmiko | =) | 18:35 |
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| alazarev | elmiko, will review | 18:36 |
| elmiko | thanks | 18:36 |
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| tmckay | elmiko, you should take something for that cough ;-) | 18:36 |
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| elmiko | the only cure now is more +1/+2 ;) | 18:36 |
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| egafford | Okay, so it sounds like the sensible plan is: 1) I propose the spec change to allow trust storage for long-running clusters, 2) elmiko researches whether trust_ids can be stored in the DB, 3) someone writes up a spec to alter our schema to store all trust ids (transient and long-running) through the improved secret storage module, 4) profit. | 18:37 |
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| egafford | Usually profit wants to be 3, but sometimes it takes a while. | 18:37 |
| elmiko | egafford: sounds good to me | 18:37 |
| egafford | elmiko: Cool. Thanks again. | 18:37 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | anything else to chat today? | 18:40 |
| alazarev | egafford, sounds good | 18:40 |
| egafford | alazarev: Excellent. | 18:40 |
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| pino|work | SergeyLukjanov: a look at pending reviews? ;) | 18:40 |
| huichun | egafford: hi Ethan, recurrence edp spec has been updated according to your last comment,waiting your review^_^ | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | pino|work, in my backlog, should actively review tomorrow morning (canceled all mostly all meetings :) ) | 18:41 |
| egafford | huichun: I saw; I thought about reviewing, but then thought "you know, other people really need to review these too; they're incredibly important." | 18:41 |
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| egafford | huichun: It sounds like some other folks (tmckay, alazarev) have signed up to review as well; I'll come back to it once it gets some additional eyes (which I hope it does soon; it's incredibly important. :) ) | 18:42 |
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| pino|work | SergeyLukjanov: thanks! | 18:43 |
| tmckay | yes, very interested, but I was away! | 18:43 |
| huichun | nice^_^ | 18:43 |
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| egafford | tmckay: No judgment at all. | 18:43 |
| elmiko | keystone session spec could use more eyes as well ;) | 18:43 |
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| huichun | tmckay: oh,one more thing, do we need update current Ozzie client call from v1 to V2? | 18:48 |
| tmckay | huichun, hmmm, I am unaware of the implications | 18:48 |
| alazarev | huichun, why not? I think it should be pretty easy, right? | 18:49 |
| huichun | yes,easy | 18:50 |
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| huichun | and we have new feature can be added into Sahara oozie engine by v2 | 18:50 |
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| tmckay | huichun, okay, sounds good to me | 18:51 |
| huichun | alazarev: i will write a spec to do this | 18:51 |
| tmckay | huichun, maybe we don't need a blueprint, but a wishlist bug outlining what the new benefits/features are | 18:51 |
| tmckay | or a spec :) | 18:51 |
| alazarev | +1 on spec, this is not a bug | 18:52 |
| tmckay | that's what wishlist is for :) | 18:52 |
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| huichun | tmckay: agree | 18:52 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | alazarev, don't forget to end the meeting please | 18:52 |
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| alazarev | SergeyLukjanov, ok | 18:52 |
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| alazarev | do we have anything more to discuss? | 18:53 |
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| huichun | alazarev: waiting for your review comments on recurrence edp and suspend resume edp ^_^ | 18:53 |
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| huichun | so that I can start up with coding work ^_^ | 18:54 |
| tmckay | huichun, heh | 18:54 |
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| * tmckay sometimes starts coding before spec is done, ssshhh | 18:54 | |
| * egafford is both shocked and appalled at tmckay, and almost always starts coding before spec is done. | 18:55 | |
| huichun | ^_^ | 18:55 |
| tmckay | iterative refinement, it's good | 18:56 |
| huichun | nice | 18:56 |
| egafford | In huichun's case, admittedly, there are more ways he can go than on some specs. Having community signoff first is nice. | 18:56 |
| elmiko | yea, this recurrence spec could be implemented a couple different ways | 18:57 |
| tmckay | like, set versus list? | 18:57 |
| tmckay | or you mean at a higher level? ;-) | 18:58 |
| elmiko | yea, higher level is definitely a possibility | 18:58 |
| huichun | yes, so any way may rewrote code, not just refinement ^_^ | 18:58 |
| elmiko | i guess we'll discuss it on the review though | 18:58 |
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| alazarev | ok, it looks we are done for today | 18:58 |
| alazarev | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 9 18:58:43 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-07-09-17.59.html | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-07-09-17.59.txt | 18:58 |
| tmckay | bye! | 18:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2015/sahara.2015-07-09-17.59.log.html | 18:58 |
| huichun | bye | 18:58 |
| huichun | good night | 18:58 |
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| esikachev | bye | 18:58 |
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| elmiko | thanks | 19:00 |
| amitgandhinz | #startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 9 19:02:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting' | 19:02 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Roll Call | 19:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Poppy Weekly Meeting)" | 19:02 | |
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| obulpathi | o/ | 19:02 |
| miqui | 0/ | 19:03 |
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| sriram | _/\_ | 19:03 |
| tonytan4ever | o/ | 19:04 |
| anantha | o/ | 19:04 |
| amitgandhinz | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy | 19:04 |
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| sriram | alright, action items. | 19:05 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Last Weeks Actions | 19:05 |
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| sriram | i know malini landed a lot of testing patches. | 19:06 |
| amitgandhinz | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-07-02-19.01.html | 19:06 |
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| amitgandhinz | malini: malini to get the outstanding security patches fixed and merged | 19:06 |
| malini | I havent been able to work on tht | 19:07 |
| malini | got pulled into something else | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | #action malini to get the outstanding security patches fixed and merged | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | malini to clean up/fix the many test related patches that have been out there for a while | 19:07 |
| malini | same story :( | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | i see the end to end tests got fixed? | 19:07 |
| malini | finally one! | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | we need some reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198097/ | 19:07 |
| malini | yes - thwy can run now | 19:07 |
| amitgandhinz | also this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199214/ | 19:08 |
| malini | I will also need to add tests for hostheader, ip/geo restriction | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | ok | 19:08 |
| sriram | ok will review them | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | #action malini to clean up/fix the many test related patches that have been out there for a while | 19:08 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Liberty 2 Updates | 19:09 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/liberty-2 | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/geo-restrictions | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | this needs reviews | 19:09 |
| amitgandhinz | its been sitting there for a while now | 19:09 |
| tonytan4ever | Yes | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: looks like its in merge conflict | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163598/ | 19:10 |
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| miqui | geo restrictions depend on the provider ? | 19:10 |
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| tonytan4ever | I will resolve that. | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: also i commented on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163563/13 earlier | 19:10 |
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| sriram | #action sriram to review all patches | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | its almost there, just a minor change needed in validation | 19:10 |
| amitgandhinz | it too is now in merge conflict | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | did something get merged lol | 19:11 |
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| tonytan4ever | OK I will address those merge conflict first. | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | tonytan4ever: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/ip-restrictions | 19:11 |
| amitgandhinz | this is also now in review right? | 19:11 |
| tonytan4ever | That one is in review as well | 19:11 |
| tonytan4ever | Yes. | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | #action tonytan4ever to hound people to review his stuff | 19:12 |
| malini | we need to start adding the bp tag in commit messages | 19:12 |
| miqui | tonytan4ever: count me in... | 19:12 |
| sriram | malini: +1 | 19:12 |
| amitgandhinz | #agreed add bp tag to branch names | 19:12 |
| tonytan4ever | Will do | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | btw its in the contributing docs to do this | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | bug// tag if its a bug | 19:13 |
| tonytan4ever | add bp tags. | 19:13 |
| sriram | yeah, we need to enforce it on reviews as well. | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | so the above branch should be bp/ip-restriction-implementation | 19:13 |
| amitgandhinz | and so on | 19:13 |
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| amitgandhinz | if its a bug, it should be bug/12312414 | 19:13 |
| sriram | it should also says implements bp in the commit message | 19:14 |
| sriram | s/says/say | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | yes that too | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | lets enforce that when we are code reviewing also | 19:14 |
| amitgandhinz | ok bugs | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | malini: https://bugs.launchpad.net/poppy/+bug/1468877 | 19:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468877 in Poppy "Get the end to end tests running" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Malini Kamalambal (malini-pk) | 19:15 |
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| malini | to add tht in commit messge too :/ | 19:15 |
| amitgandhinz | malini needs to add the Closes Bug in her commit messages ;-0 | 19:15 |
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| amitgandhinz | i will keep it in progress. malini if you can update the commit message, then the bug will update its status automagically | 19:16 |
| malini | ok | 19:16 |
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| amitgandhinz | sriram: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1425556 | 19:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1425556 in Poppy "dns-exception-handling" [Low,New] - Assigned to Sriram (thesriram) | 19:16 |
| sriram | magic! | 19:16 |
| sriram | amitgandhinz: i'm working on a patch for that. | 19:16 |
| sriram | will have a patchset out soon. | 19:16 |
| amitgandhinz | ok cool, updated its status | 19:16 |
| sriram | it will reduce the running time of the api tests by a loooot | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | woot! | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | ok anything else being worked on? | 19:17 |
| malini | On tht note, we need to take a look at the api tests for coverage gaps | 19:17 |
| sriram | +1 | 19:17 |
| malini | the log delivery was a nasty reminder | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | can we automate that? | 19:17 |
| amitgandhinz | get a nice number output | 19:17 |
| malini | I am not sure how to, I will start poking around | 19:18 |
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| amitgandhinz | cool | 19:18 |
| sriram | I know we can do coverage for unit tests | 19:18 |
| amitgandhinz | we also need to get our code coverage back up (im not sure where we are right now) | 19:18 |
| sriram | i'm not sure about api. | 19:18 |
| sriram | amitgandhinz: we are in the low 80s I think | 19:18 |
| miqui | amitgandhinz: what are we using for code coverage? | 19:18 |
| * sriram has to run test suite soon for his patch anyway | 19:19 | |
| amitgandhinz | nosetests | 19:19 |
| miqui | ah ..k. thanks | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | miqui: this might be one you can start contributing to | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | you can pick a class at a time that needs its code coverage improved | 19:19 |
| miqui | k, sounds good.. | 19:19 |
| amitgandhinz | if you run tox it will output a report at the end of the tests showing code coverage | 19:19 |
| miqui | is there a bp for it? | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | not yet. feel free to create one | 19:20 |
| miqui | ok, will do... | 19:20 |
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| amitgandhinz | thanks miqui | 19:20 |
| amitgandhinz | ok any other bp or bugs being worked on? | 19:20 |
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| obulpathi | I am working on rootdomain validation | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | is there a bug for that? | 19:21 |
| obulpathi | working on api tests, will send out the pr soon | 19:21 |
| obulpathi | not sure | 19:21 |
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| obulpathi | I will create one, if its not there | 19:21 |
| sriram | lets create bps/bugs for any features we work on | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | ok...moving on now | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | _1 | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | +1 | 19:21 |
| amitgandhinz | +1 | 19:22 |
| sriram | probably needs to be an action item | 19:22 |
| sriram | so thats a +3? :P | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | i put it as an agreed item | 19:22 |
| sriram | cool | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | no, the first is a negative. the second makes it zero. the third makes it a +1 | 19:22 |
| sriram | technically thats an underscore.. :P | 19:22 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Tokyo | 19:22 |
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| amitgandhinz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/poppy_tokyo | 19:23 |
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| amitgandhinz | Okay, this is what we discussed last week for the submission | 19:23 |
| * sriram clicks | 19:23 | |
| amitgandhinz | are these two proposals good to go? | 19:23 |
| amitgandhinz | i want to make my submissions today | 19:23 |
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| malini | Can one of the tracks be 'Related OSS Projects' ? | 19:24 |
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| sriram | malini: umm, similar to poppy? | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | IMO that track is a bit harder to get ino | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | into | 19:25 |
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| malini | aah..ok.I have no clue | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | the past 2 summits i have submitted under related | 19:25 |
| amitgandhinz | i think we can get a broader audience under networking | 19:25 |
| malini | we shud have getting high on poppy under Hands-on Labs ;) | 19:26 |
| malini | FYI - tht was not serious | 19:26 |
| sriram | lol | 19:26 |
| sriram | the proposals look good to me. | 19:27 |
| miqui | +1 | 19:28 |
| tonytan4ever | +1 | 19:28 |
| miqui | i wonder if CDN is high on an operators list.... | 19:28 |
| miqui | am going to ask the Helion team.... | 19:28 |
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| amitgandhinz | that would be great miqui | 19:29 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok if no updates i will make these submissions after some minor cleanups | 19:31 |
| amitgandhinz | #topic Open Discussion | 19:31 |
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| amitgandhinz | anything else on peoples minds? | 19:31 |
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| miqui | how can poppy api be tested effectivly without using a provider? | 19:31 |
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| sriram | mimic? | 19:32 |
| miqui | i mean how do you folks test locally? | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | the fastly mimic driver should? work | 19:32 |
| amitgandhinz | you can also sign up for a free fastly dev account (no cc needed) | 19:32 |
| miqui | sometimes i dont understand what the api is returning... | 19:32 |
| malini | miqui: https://github.com/rackerlabs/mimic has fastly integrated | 19:32 |
| miqui | perhaps the route is working...i just understand the meaning of the payload.. | 19:33 |
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| miqui | thanks malini | 19:33 |
| malini | miqui: you can run the mimic server & point to mimic endpoint instead of fastly in poppy.conf | 19:33 |
| miqui | hmm | 19:33 |
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| miqui | so why not make mimic the default? | 19:34 |
| malini | default in ? | 19:34 |
| miqui | poppy.conf | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | i think right now the default is the mock driver | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | which really just needs to go away | 19:34 |
| amitgandhinz | thats prob whats confusing you | 19:34 |
| miqui | hmm perhaps.. | 19:34 |
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| miqui | ok..will dig some more...thanks.. | 19:35 |
| amitgandhinz | ok, i will spend some time this week to see if i can make the mimic fastly driver the default also | 19:35 |
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| amitgandhinz | #action amitgandhinz to make mimic fastly the default driver | 19:35 |
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| amitgandhinz | ok anything else? | 19:37 |
| miqui | thats it for me.. thanks guys! | 19:37 |
| amitgandhinz | np | 19:38 |
| sriram | nope, I'm good | 19:38 |
| tonytan4ever | I am good | 19:38 |
| amitgandhinz | #endmeeting | 19:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 9 19:38:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-07-09-19.02.html | 19:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-07-09-19.02.txt | 19:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-07-09-19.02.log.html | 19:38 |
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