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bswartz#startmeeting manila15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 10 15:00:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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bswartzhello all15:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'manila'15:00
cknightHi15:00
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bswartz#agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings15:00
markstur_hi15:00
ganso_hello15:00
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tbarronhi15:00
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xyang1Hi15:00
Zhongjunhi15:00
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toabctlhi15:01
u_glidehi15:01
bswartzso this is the first meeting since the debacle last week with the gate15:01
vponomaryovHello15:01
bswartzI sent out some ML posts about that over the past week15:01
ShamailHi15:02
bswartzthe good news is that all of the BPs which were granted technical FFEs did get merged before Tuesday15:02
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bswartzso we were able to start our bugfix and stabilization period only 5 days late15:02
bswartzmore about that later in the agenda15:02
bswartzfirst thing is15:02
bswartz#topic 3rd-party CI status15:03
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bswartz#link http://ec2-54-67-102-119.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com:5000/?project=openstack/manila&user=&timeframe=72&start=&end=&page_size=50015:03
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lpabono/15:03
bswartz#link http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=manila15:03
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dustins\o15:03
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bswartzso these are 2 nice tools that give you a quick view of the health of various CI systems15:03
bswartzthanks whoever added those links to the agenda15:04
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cknightbswartz: welcome15:04
bswartzThere was a deadline for CI systems last thursday, which did not get discussed because of the gate breakage and urgent need to close out remaining features15:04
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bswartzcknight: ty!15:04
casusbellihi15:05
bswartzI've been tracking several drivers progress on CI and the good news is that most of driver do have reporting CI systems15:05
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bswartzsome of them are reporting very sporadically, and some of them fail nearly always15:05
bswartzthose things need to be fixed15:05
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bswartzbut the deadline for healthy CI systems is Sept 2415:06
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bswartzif anyone thinks there will be a problem with meeting that date please ask for help15:07
bswartzthe first round of driver removal patches will go up today, but we can still remove drivers that have non-passing CI systems on Sept 2415:07
xyang1bswartz: do you have a list?15:08
bswartzso there are 2 driver that currently have no reporting CI systems15:08
bswartzxyang1: yes15:08
bswartzIBM GPFS has never reported a result15:08
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xyang1bswartz: ok15:08
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bswartzThe maintainer for IBM GPFS is Gaurang Tapase (gaurangt)15:09
bswartzI've talked to him and he says it's mostly working now and will be fully working by the deadline of Sept 2415:10
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bswartzI'm going to submit the patch to remove the GPFS driver and we can wait to merge it if the system starts reporting today15:11
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cknightbswartz: So your intent is to merge those 2 removal patches today?15:11
bswartzThe other driver that has never submitted a result is HDS SOP15:11
bswartzThe maintainer for HDS SOP is Jason Bishop (jasonsb)15:12
bswartzso far I've gotten no responses from him on IRC or by email so I will encourage you to merge the HDS SOP driver removal patch today15:12
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xyang1bswartz: and you plan to add them back if they get CI up by 9/24?15:13
bswartzxyang1: that's a good question15:14
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bswartzthat's up to the community really15:14
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cknightbswartz: There is precent from Cinder, where drivers removed at Kilo.3 were re-added later.15:14
cknight*precedent15:14
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bswartzI'm going to push the removal patches and it's up to you to merge them15:14
bswartzI would be okay with reverting the removal patches if the CI systems start working to our satisfaction15:15
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bswartzbut the published deadline for that is Sept 2415:15
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vponomaryovbswartz: what is the difference between always failing existing CI and absent CI?15:15
vponomaryovbswartz: for us?15:15
vponomaryovbswartz: both cases have no real useful result15:16
bswartzjust to be clear, I hate removing drivers, but we want to reward the work of those vendors who have worked hard to meet the deadlines15:16
dustinsbswartz: What're the criteria for satisfaction that a CI is working nominally?15:16
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bswartzCI systems have a very positive impact on quality and community involvement15:16
casusbelli@vponomaryov i think a reporting CI means that at least there's a working CI infrastructure...15:16
bswartzvponomaryov: the difference is that the deadlines we agreed to required that the system be reporting by Sept 3 and passing by Sept 2415:17
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bswartzthe first deadline has been passed and 14/16 drivers met that deadline15:17
vponomaryovbswartz: and if second deadline is not met then more drivers are going to be deleted?15:18
bswartzthe 2 that did not meet it are at serious risk of not making the next deadline, and the lack of communication from HDS on the SOP driver is a serious concern15:18
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bswartzvponomaryov: that's what we agreed to15:18
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vponomaryovbswartz: what what criteria do we have for "success" reporting?15:19
bswartzwhat I'm going to do is push some canary patches and check how the CI systems respond15:19
cknightbswartz: Dustin's question is valid.  What constitutes a nominal pass rate?  It must be completely objective.15:19
bswartzvponomaryov: I think we will follow the cinder team's lead on that question15:20
bswartzeveryone understands that sometimes CI systems have temporary problems, and that's okay15:20
dustinsI imagine there are guidelines somewhere, I think it'd be beneficial for anyone looking through the meeting notes to have a reference15:20
bswartzbut we're looking for voting from CI systems that mostly matches what jenkins votes15:20
bswartzso CI systems should pass when I push a change with no bugs15:20
bswartzand CI systems should fail when push a change that introduces a bug15:20
bswartzI will do both15:21
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ganso_bswartz: if a vendor CI fails for a reason, due to a change, a bug ticket should be opened, right?15:21
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xyang1bswartz: our CI was reporting successfully for a while but ran into problems recently.  Still investigating15:21
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bswartzdustins: it's going to be by consensus of the core team -- I think we can tell if a CI system is generally working or totally broken15:22
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bswartzif the requirements aren't clear then it's a discussion we can have15:23
bswartzwe're not going to remove drivers just because the CI system had a hiccup15:23
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bswartzbut it helps your case to have an established record of voting the same as jenkins that you can point to15:24
dustinsIndeed15:24
dustinsI think I'd want something on the Manila Wiki (if there isn't something already) to give some advice on what constitutes a "successful" CI system15:25
markstur_some of us don't run CI until jenkins +115:25
bswartzjust to answer cknight's earlier question, I believe the HDS SOP driver removal should proceed today, but I'm okay with giving IBM GPFS some time to vote, since guarangt is at least responsive15:26
bswartzmarkstur_: I'll have to be clever with my canary patches to test the HP CI system then15:26
markstur_should we all run on all jenkins -1?15:27
casusbelliQuobyte does the same (wait for jenkins +1)15:27
bswartzmarkstur_: I'll probably just push a patch that breaks your driver and nothing else15:27
cknightbswartz: NetApp also doesn't run until Jenkins passes.  That's pretty standard.15:27
markstur_bswartz, thanks for that15:27
bswartzokay so negative testing CI systems will be a challenge for me15:27
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bswartzhowever the most basic thing is to at least pass when jenkins passes15:28
bswartzif a CI system doesn't do that then it's broken15:28
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bswartznegative testing is just to ensure that nobody is cheating15:29
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casusbelliUnless one can verify that it has hit a real bug. :)15:29
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bswartzcasusbelli: that's true15:29
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bswartzto answer ganso_'s question above, if there are real bugs preventing your driving from passing tests, those should be filed in LP and targetted for RC115:30
bswartzwe won't release RC1 until all the bugs are fixed or pushed out to Mitaka15:30
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bswartzI'm hopeful that everyone can get all their bugs fixed in the next 2 weeks though -- that should be everyone top priority15:31
bswartzit would be better to fix them all in the next week15:31
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bswartzstarting Sep 17 I'm going to aggressively push bugs to Mitaka if they're not fixed and not essential15:32
bswartzarg, it looks like we've drifted offtopic to agenda item #415:32
bswartzgetting back to the agenda...15:32
bswartz#topic Manila devref update15:32
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bswartzu_glide: you're up15:33
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u_glidebswartz: thanks15:33
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bswartz#link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/manila/devref/share_back_ends_feature_support_mapping.html#mapping-of-share-drivers-and-share-features-support15:33
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u_glideValeriy added this table in docs15:34
u_glideDriver maintainers should update this table with latest information15:34
u_glideand remove ""supported operations"" pages from drivers sections15:35
bswartzyes please update the devref docs15:35
bswartzIn addition to bugfixing, now is a great time to make docs updates15:35
u_glideif you have any questions - please ask15:36
u_glidealso I have proposal to move DHSS support to another table15:36
bswartzsounds like no questions for now15:36
bswartzI'd like to have that table accurate by the RC1 date15:37
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cknightbswartz: I guess a driver removal patch should also include this doc.15:37
bswartzbecause it will get branched along with stable/liberty when we release RC115:37
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bswartzand updating stable branches is always more hassle15:37
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bswartzokay moving on15:38
bswartz#topic Automount vs asset injection15:38
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csabaso this was my topic15:38
bswartzcsaba: this was your topic from last week I believe15:38
csabayes15:38
csabait's related to stuff that would go into mitaka ..15:39
bswartzcsaba: did you want to make a design summit session proposal?15:39
csabaso not an urgent topic -- but something we (gluster folks) need to sort out and ask for suggestions15:39
bswartzor is it something we can solve at this meeting? or should we have an ML thread?15:40
bswartzthere were 2 approaches for mount automation that we pursued in Liberty15:40
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csababswartz: well just let me quikly dratft the problem here and we'll see where to take it on15:40
bswartzthe nova-based approach was rejeted15:40
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bswartzbut the zaqar-based approach is still ongoing15:40
cknightbswartz: the nova-based approach wasn't completely rejected, but it needs more work15:41
csabamy concern is not just auto-mount is what might be needed but more generally (my coinage) "asset injection"15:41
bswartzcknight: that's good to know15:41
cknightbswartz: and we'll need a nova sponsor15:41
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csabaie. have the tenants to have some stuff deployed somewhere... it does not need to culminate in a mount right away15:43
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csabafor example in case of cert based allowance (as done by gluster native) tenants need to have some certificates deployed15:43
bswartzcsaba: I think a concrete example would help15:43
csababswartz: that's the concrete example, cert setup15:44
bswartzcsaba: who creates the certs?15:44
bswartzthe admin or the tenant?15:44
csababswartz: the driver automates cert creation (or fetching from eg Barbican)15:44
bswartzand who consumes the certs?15:45
csabathe tenant15:45
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bswartzthe VMs doing the mounting?15:45
csabayep15:46
csabaa needed asset for mounting15:46
bswartzcan't the VMs pull them out of the same place that the driver pulls them?15:46
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bswartzthis seems conceptually similar to, in CIFS, where a client and a share server must be part of the same Active Directory domain in order to authenticate15:47
csabathat's a viable scheme, with Barbican, but then the authentication problem is pushed further out15:47
csabaand there should be an option of managing it in our scope15:47
bswartzin that case the tenant tells Manila up front which service service to use (the security service contains the AD details) and manila ensure that share servers do the right thing15:47
bswartzs/service service/security service/15:48
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bswartzwithout knowing more details, my gut feeling is that there needs to be a gluster type of security service, and we need to make sure users of gluster have a way to specify that15:49
csabahmm yeah but signing the cert (or getting the cert signed) might be out of the capabilities of the tenant15:49
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bswartzit may not work with the current architecture where security services are tied into share networks15:49
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bswartzcsaba: the security service could simply be a pointer to a trusted 3rd party that could sign on behalf of both the clients and the servers15:50
bswartzand that trusted 3rd party may in fact be barbican if you wish15:50
csababswartz: the question is that on behalf of whom is that trusted 3rd party willing to perform signing15:50
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bswartzyeah I get there are some complexities15:50
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bswartzwe don't need to design the feature right here in the meeting, since it feels glusterfs specific15:51
bswartzbut the mechanism is something we should agree to15:51
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csabaI just though that it would probably make sense to extend the idea of mount automation to "asset injection"15:51
bswartzis there a problem with relying on something like manila security services to provide the tenant-facing part of this ?15:52
bswartzoh okay15:52
csabaactually the 3rpparty trusted service is a solution to the gluster problem, but another approach15:52
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csabathat is beyond these few minutes to discuss in detail, for sure..15:52
bswartzwell yeah I suggest making a proposal with a BP and spec and we can add it to the list for Tokyo15:53
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csababut "asset injection" is just a more simplistic scheme -- allow the driver (in case of gluster: sighned cert files ) to push to tenant vms througfh some mechanism15:53
bswartzyeah it's not a crazy idea15:54
bswartzthe challenge will be doing it in a way that doesn't damage the protocol or vendor neutrality of the Manila API15:54
bswartzI think it can probably be done15:54
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csabawhich I feel to be similar to automount, in that it is some driver generatied data that is to be obtained by the tenatt15:54
bswartzyes15:54
csabawould ssh injection be an option eg?15:54
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bswartzwhat do you mean by ssh injection?15:55
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bswartznova has a way to inject key pairs into VMs, but it only works with cloud-init and with a non-buggy neutron15:55
csabamanila has a pre-agreed public key ssh that tenant vms authorize to access15:55
csabahmm yeah could we push data into cloud init from mainla context?15:56
bswartzif the glusterfs certificates are literally SSH keys then that might be easy to solve15:56
bswartzif they're something else then you might have nova work to do to get them injected15:56
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bswartzsince we're almost out of time I'm going to open up the floor15:57
bswartz#topic open discussion15:57
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csababswartz: not literally ssh keys, but could init would work out for us. can a driver specify cloud init payload for the tenatn vms?15:57
bswartzanything else we need to mention today?15:57
gansobswartz: is the deadline Sept 17th or Sept 24th?15:57
bswartzcsaba: no not currently15:57
gansobswartz: for RC115:57
bswartzganso: CI deadline is consistently passing by Sep 24th15:58
bswartzRC1 has no date15:58
bswartzRC1 is when there are no open bugs15:58
bswartzwe achieve that by either fixing the bugs or targeting them to Mitaka15:58
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gansobswartz: on Sept 17th you said you would be pushing lower priority bugs to Mitaka, correct?15:59
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bswartzstarting Sept 17th I'm going to push unfixed bugs to Mitaka if they're not high priority15:59
bswartzyes15:59
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gansobswartz: ok, got it, thanks!15:59
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bswartzthanks everyone15:59
bswartz#endmeeting15:59
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Sep 10 15:59:58 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:00
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openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-09-10-15.00.txt16:00
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xarses#startmeeting fuel16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 10 16:00:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
xarses#chair xarses16:00
xarsesTodays Agenda:16:00
xarses#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda16:00
xarsesWho's here?16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'fuel'16:00
openstackCurrent chairs: xarses16:00
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salmon_does etherpad work for you?16:01
angdraugno16:01
xarsesits very slow16:01
maximovnope16:01
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maximovissue with srt infrastructure16:01
xarsesI have the agenda up16:01
xarsesit was bad in the U.S. too16:01
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angdraugcan't blame srt for this, can't open it in US, either16:01
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bgaifullinHi all.16:02
angdraugxarses: lets start?16:02
xarses#topic community builds from master (someone from Infra team?)16:02
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xarsesangdraug: ^?16:02
angdraugbookwar: ^16:02
bookwarhi16:02
xarses=)16:02
mihgenhi16:02
bookwarwe have builds enabled, available here https://ci.fuel-infra.org/view/ISO/16:02
angdraugare they using Liberty packages?16:03
bookwarthey are built from current up-to day mos8.0 repo of ubuntu packages16:03
bookwarwhich means that most of the packages are still from kilo16:03
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bookwarbut as packaging team does their job they add packages from liberty to this repo16:04
mihgenbvt2 actually runs against these builds from master there?16:04
bookwarso we expect that this built will start to fail soon16:04
bookwaryes16:04
xarseswhen do you see that we will have the packages in place?16:04
bookwarthat a question for packaging team, i don't have enough data16:04
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mihgenbookwar: thanks bookwar. It's great to see that we enabled master builds very soon after we've created stable/7.016:05
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mihgenquestion about liberty packages16:05
mihgenwill we keep kilo builds running?16:05
angdraugyes until liberty builds stabilize16:06
mihgenangdraug: great, thanks16:06
angdraugFuel CI will stay with kilo until then, too16:06
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bookwaryes, we keep 8.0-kilo builds in place, and we will use them for fuel-library ci16:06
bookwaryou can see that currently fuel-library ci uses 8.0-kilo-1 iso16:07
bookwarstatus is here https://ci.fuel-infra.org/ in the Status section16:07
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xarsesmoving on?16:08
mihgenthank you guys16:08
angdraugyes please. great job bookwar!16:08
xarses#topic elections of nailgun, fuel-library component leads; PTL (mihgen)16:08
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mihgenI just wanted to reiterate this. There was email to openstack-dev about code review process changes16:08
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mihgenno one objects of having elections for component leads16:09
mihgenand we have two largest pieces in Fuel, which are nailgun & fuel-library16:09
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mihgenso I'd like to hear your opinions guys whether we can move forward with it16:09
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mihgenit was also suggested to run elections at the same time as for PTL16:10
ikalnitskyhow we're going to elect component leads? from the cores?16:10
mihgenusing standard openstack procedures16:10
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xarsesSo nominate your self and share your platform?16:10
aglarendilso, we have the same nomination deadlines and voting deadlines as in upstream OSt ?16:10
angdraugannouncement of the PTL elections on openstack-dev:16:10
angdraug#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/074037.html16:11
angdraugaglarendil: yes16:11
ikalnitskywhat if no one among cores wants to be a component lead? xD16:11
mihgencomponent leads - from cores, I suppose. Frankly, I'd still need to read how openstack does it currently in other projects16:11
mihgenikalnitsky: that's gonna be bad, that's what we want to avoid )16:11
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angdraugI think just following the PTL process should work for component leads, too16:12
angdraugno need to reinvent the bicycle16:12
mihgentwo component leads will basically get freedom from feature-work assignments and can influence arhitecture of the component16:12
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mihgenangdraug: that's my assumption as well. So I think we'd need to learn more, and propose it in openstack-dev16:12
mihgen(I'd need to learn more at least)16:12
angdraugand fast, nomination period opens tomorrow16:13
mihgennomination period where?16:13
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angdraugvoting period is September 17-2416:13
angdraug#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Elections_September_201516:13
xarses#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Elections_September_201516:13
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angdraugso we have until 17th to persuade as many Fuel cores as possible to nominate themselves :)16:14
mihgenoh. then we'd need to try to get in the same schedule16:14
salmon_so one core will not work on features?16:14
mihgensalmon_: yes.16:15
aglarendilfolks, one question, it seems that OSt has its own voting platform16:15
xarsessalmon_: component lead should not work on features16:15
angdraugsalmon_: yes except that will be doing specs/design review for all features for that component16:15
aglarendildid we arrange all the details that we will have the same platform used?16:15
aglarendilor will we conduct votese calculation on ourselves?16:15
salmon_nailgun is to big for it16:15
mihgensalmon_: too big for what?16:16
aglarendilfor having one Lead, says salmon_16:16
salmon_mihgen: to have on lead16:16
salmon_*one16:16
alex_didenkoare we going to re-elect component leads on a periodic basis?16:16
aglarendilalex_didenko: according to OSt workflow - yes16:16
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aglarendileach six months16:16
mihgenaglarendil: I don't know frankly, not sure if angdraug is aware. As I said, we'd need to analyze how it works now in openstack16:17
aglarendilmihgen: angdraug we would need to rush with this16:17
angdraugat the very least we can reuse the voting system, anyone can use that16:17
angdraugaglarendil: true16:17
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xarsesangdraug: can I give you an action to follow up on that?16:18
maximovmihgen what is your expectations from component lead. bullet points...16:18
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mihgensalmon_: well, may be. But with modularization we've started a work on, I'd expect more and more modules to become independent expertise areas, where we may grow other leads16:18
salmon_I hope so :)16:18
angdraugxarses: yes16:18
xarses#action angdraug will follow up on usage of upstream voting system16:18
mihgenmaximov: you can find it in my email about code review...  and we'd need another one with more data16:19
mihgenin short - architecture, quality, making it easy for others to contribute the code16:19
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xarsesmike, lets create a new mail thread back in the ML and request candidates16:19
mihgencatch majority of bugs on review/gating, not a month after code merge16:19
maximovmihgen ok, but what about community work. will component lead drive communication w/ community?16:19
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mihgenmaximov: yes.16:20
maximovI think we missed this part16:20
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mihgenit's going to be way more important for PTL16:20
mihgenbut PTL would rely on component leads for specific areas16:20
xarses#action mihgen will create a new ML covering duties, duration, and nomination pool for component leads and request candidates16:21
mihgenfor instance, fuel-library component lead will have to work closely with puppet-openstack, ansible-openstack if needed, etc.16:21
ikalnitskyand what about nailgun lead?16:21
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ikalnitskywe don't have community16:21
xarsesthats not true16:21
mihgenikalnitsky: we will be building one + there are other areas of Fuel, where integration is needed16:21
xarsesalso they would need to work with the current compute project so that the API's are aligned. I forgot their name16:22
angdraugplugin developers are part of nailgun community16:22
angdraugxarses: tuskar16:22
mihgenall these integration questions with whatever other components / pieces, plugable architecture falls into this category16:22
angdraug?16:22
xarsesangdraug: thanks, yes16:22
mihgenthere should be a balance, common sense in prioritization of work16:23
maximovmihgen I only have one concern, component lead will be doing a lot of review, communication, architecture etc.. but what about writing code, what would be a trigger  for component lead to contribute to the code?16:24
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xarsesmaximov: mostly, they won't be, they won't really have time16:24
mihgenangdraug: are we waiting for your message or that was question mark for something else?16:24
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angdraugangdraug: that was question to xarses, he replied already16:25
mihgenmaximov: that's ok if component lead will write way less of code16:25
xarseslets go back to the ML and discuss further, we need to move along through the schedule for today16:25
maximovxarses well, don't you think that in this case component lead will loose his expertise..16:25
mihgenbut it's important to write code which defines framework for others to work within16:25
aglarendilfolks, sorry to interrupt, can we discuss details of elections and roles in the ML? we spent almost 25 minutes on that16:25
xarsesmaximov: by reviewing, it shouldn't be much of an issue16:25
mihgenlet's move on16:26
xarses#topic backlog of small enhancements (gaps in functionality) to work on: http://bit.ly/1Nk9rmI (mihgen)16:26
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mihgen#link http://bit.ly/1Nk9rmI16:26
mihgenthat's what we have in our launchpad16:26
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mihgenbugs with "feature" tag16:26
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mihgenthey in fact form our backlog of small enhancements16:26
mihgenso my proposal is to continue using launchpad for small feature gaps16:27
angdraug+116:27
mihgenand let enhancements team go through this backlog16:27
maximov+116:27
mihgenin kanban-like model16:27
alex_didenkoone small note - we have many different tags, "fueature-*"16:27
mihgenalex_didenko: nope those are different16:27
alex_didenkoso it's not very convenient to filter all of them16:27
angdraugfeature-* is about bugs introduced by a feature16:27
mihgenthose are for taxonomy of bugs16:27
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xarsesalex_didenko: those should be for bugs that relate only to that feature (usually because it caused them)16:28
angdraug"feature" is for bugs which require a requests for enhancement16:28
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aglarendilmihgen: there should be more of them. we need to go thoroughly through bugs and retriage all of them16:28
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alex_didenkoI deffinitely saw new feature requests in bugs with feature-* tags16:28
aglarendilsome of them miss feature tag16:28
aglarendiland some are duplicates16:28
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mihgenthen we'd need to do triaging, and mark accordingly16:29
xarsesalex_didenko: we'd need to kick them back to 'feature' then16:29
alex_didenkoand inform out engineers about tags16:29
mihgenbut I hope there are no objections on using launchpad. We already have many feature requests in there, and introducing something else like trello would be an overkill really16:29
alex_didenkowe need to gather info about tags in some single place, like wiki16:29
mihgenalex_didenko: +116:30
maximovashtokolov is working on the process, how we will organize this work16:30
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salmon_I think there is wiki page for tags, at least for nailgun16:30
xarsessalmon_: thats what I thought16:30
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xarseswho will take action for preparing this mail since it still causes confusion?16:31
ashtokolovmaximov mihgen I'm working on it16:31
mihgenashtokolov: since you are working on it, can you please then let everyone know in openstack-dev about "feature" tag, etc. ?16:31
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ashtokolovmihgen ok I got it16:31
alex_didenkosalmon_: I think it should be somewhere on this page https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/How_to_contribute#Test_and_report_bugs and for whole fuel16:31
mihgenxarses: action item for ashtokolov .. ?16:32
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angdraugalex_didenko: +116:32
salmon_alex_didenko: it's on our internal wiki :/16:32
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angdraugshould be on wiki.openstack.org/Fuel16:32
alex_didenkoyeah, we should remove such infro from internal resources and update public wiki16:32
xarses#action ashtokolov will send out ML about usage of 'feature' tag; will start conversation about usage of other tags16:32
mihgengreat. moving on?16:32
mihgensorry guys for abusing half of the meeting on my topics16:33
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xarses#topic https://bugs.launchpad.net/mos/7.0.x/+bug/1491576 (holser)16:33
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openstackLaunchpad bug 7 in Launchpad itself "Need help for novice translators" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Данило Шеган (danilo)16:33
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aglarendilfolks, I need to get off the desktop - I will be online on the smartphone. Please do not forget to mention me16:34
mihgensgolovatiuk  ^^16:34
xarsesLooks like the issue is resolved already. Is there anything else to discuss sgolovatiuk ?16:34
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mihgenwe still use holser for sgolovatiuk )16:34
sgolovatiukI wouls say it's workarounded16:34
sgolovatiuk:)16:34
mihgenrandomized logrotate time?16:35
xarsesmihgen: it would work fine if he has his irc client set with the nickname16:35
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maximovis it backported to stable/7.0 ?16:35
sgolovatiukthe problem exists - sometimes mod_wsgo seg fault on USR1 signal16:35
alex_didenkolet's use copytruncate and do not reload apache at all16:35
sgolovatiukrandomized logrotate helped16:35
sgolovatiukso we will never restart all controllers at the same time16:36
sgolovatiukhowever, alex_didenko proposed to remove postinstall and replace it with copytruncate16:36
sgolovatiukin this case apache won't be restarted at all16:36
mihgenthis would be certainly better, but I'd leave it for master only. let's stop for stable/7.0..16:37
sgolovatiukaglarendil is still investigating scale up/down issue with apache and keystone16:37
sgolovatiukk16:37
mihgenwe'd need to create a bug for it though so not to forget about it16:37
sgolovatiukfo 7.0 we won't be adding anything16:37
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sgolovatiukwe stopped playing with fantom bugs16:37
xarsesphantom16:38
sgolovatiukrandom is enough for now16:38
sgolovatiukthnx xarses16:38
mihgensgolovatiuk: so do we have bug for 8.0 about copytruncate?16:38
sgolovatiukwe have bug for 8.016:38
mihgenok great then16:38
mihgenthanks sgolovatiuk16:38
xarses#topic https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/7.0.x/+bug/1493483 (smakar)16:38
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openstackLaunchpad bug 7 in Launchpad itself "Need help for novice translators" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Данило Шеган (danilo)16:38
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mihgenwhat is Данило Шеган ?)16:39
mwhahahathe url parsing is bad16:39
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xarsesbut in bot16:40
mwhahahait's getting fuel/7.0.x/... and thinking it's bug #716:40
openstackbug 7 in Launchpad itself "Need help for novice translators" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/7 - Assigned to Данило Шеган (danilo)16:40
xarsesI just poked infra guys about it16:40
mihgen:D16:40
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mwhahahabug #149348316:40
openstackbug 1493483 in Fuel for OpenStack "Pacemaker service is unable to be started in time when zabbix plugins enabled" [Critical,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1493483 - Assigned to Ksenia Demina (kdemina)16:40
ikalnitskywhy it's assigned on Ksenia?16:41
mihgenaglarendil: dilyin do you guys know context here? ^^16:41
maximovwe asked her to retest this case16:41
ikalnitskyor, miss that16:41
maximovwithout zabbiz plugin16:41
mihgenso it seems like more incomplete.. ?16:42
maximovwell, yes16:42
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mihgenbug log clearly shows error in deployment16:42
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mihgenwhich is unlikely to be related to zabbix..16:42
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maximovbut we have similar tests in swarm16:43
maximovwhich works16:43
mihgenfrom smakar there: "It has just been reproduced again"16:43
maximovthe only difference is zabbix16:43
mihgen"the root cause that pacemaker could not start on node-13 node-14"16:43
mihgenit might be a problem which is not always reproduced16:44
aglarendilThis is an old update16:44
sgolovatiukmihgen: that lab was broken also16:44
sgolovatiukI proposed to retry on clean env with recent ISO16:44
maximovyes. at least with 28816:45
mihgenok. We need a lab I think guys16:45
mihgenso if she reproduces a bug, we need someone to take a look...16:45
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mihgensomeone experienced in our HA..16:45
sgolovatiukk16:45
mihgenlogs don't seem to be enough..16:46
mihgenok.. thanks for the update on this bug. moving on?16:46
sgolovatiukyep16:46
xarses#topic https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1493390 (ikalnitsky)16:46
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1493390 in Fuel for OpenStack 8.0.x "Deployment failed on connectivity check to http://mirror.fuel-infra.org/mos-repos/ubuntu/7.0/ after stop deployment action " [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Fuel build team (fuel-build)16:46
ikalnitskyactually, guys, the issue is pretty simple. sometimes we face a connectivity issue in our system tests before deployment16:46
ikalnitskyunfortunately, we don't even log a response status code, and after env revert (obviously) everything's working fine.16:47
ikalnitskyi remember we had a similar issue last release.16:47
ikalnitskyso i've prepared a patch that adds 3 retries and logs response status code16:47
ikalnitsky#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222172/16:47
ikalnitskybut i'm not sure about backporting to stable/7.016:47
ikalnitskyi think it's medium if it's not often16:47
ikalnitskyis there any QA around? could someone comment how often we face it?16:47
ikalnitskythat's it :)16:47
mihgenikalnitsky: I'd say it's medium16:47
ikalnitskyso mark it as won't fix for 7.0  ?16:47
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ddmitrievikalnitsky: we faced it about once a week, maybe a little more often16:48
mihgenmore over, if it is reproduced only at certain time (like stop during certain phase), then I can't really say it's high16:48
aglarendilIt very much could be the issue with default route that we fixed16:48
mihgento me, frankly, stop of deployment in general is not a blocking from release feature16:48
ikalnitskymihgen: we do have this check only in before deployment checks.. when you add new nodes16:48
ddmitrievmihgeh: if our repositories are failed for customers - it isn't looks like production ready16:49
ikalnitskybut if it fails, you can retry it manually again16:49
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aglarendilFolks Can we try to reproduce it with the latest ISO?16:49
mihgenif there is an easy workaround - it's not Critical then for sure16:49
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mihgenand now we don't accept anything but critical bugfixes to stable/7.016:50
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mihgenso I don't know why we need to even think about backporting, if it's not a critical bug ..16:50
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ikalnitskymihgen: agree16:50
xarseswhy cant we propose it to stable/7.016:50
xarsesthen if we cut a new iso it's there16:51
xarsesotherwise don't cut a new iso just for this16:51
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mihgenxarses: because we are in HCF16:51
xarsesI think it's important to have retries here16:51
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mihgenxarses: I'd be rather strict16:51
xarsesone shot is, well quite lame16:51
mihgenand follow agreement16:51
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mihgenwe have enough backports,which introduce regressions sometimes16:51
aglarendilIt could be fixed by l3 clear route patch16:51
mihgenxarses: it can also be targeted to updates16:52
angdraugxarses: +1 to mihgen, even a trivial change introduces a chance of regressions, we have to be very conservative16:52
mihgenand delivered in updates channel after release16:52
ikalnitsky+1 here16:52
ikalnitskylet's move it to updates, if someone think it's important16:52
ikalnitskybut i'd remove from 7.0 at all16:52
mihgenok great.16:53
mihgenmoving on?16:53
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xarses#topic https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1494314 (idv1985)16:53
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1494314 in Fuel for OpenStack "Add of detached keystone node to existing cluster failed with Call cib_apply_diff failed (-205): Update was older than existing configuration" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Dmitry Ilyin (idv1985)16:53
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dilyinthis bug is because we have not refactored haproxy_ocf to use pacemaker wrappers as all other services do. Because of that cluster-haproxy task is failing when it's being run on non-controller nodes as detached keystone plugin does16:55
dilyinwe can either remove hardcoded primary-controller role from the task or finish the task refactoring16:55
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aglarendildilyin: I suppose we just fix haproxy tasj16:56
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mihgenI'd vote for proper fix in master, and don't backport anything to stable/7.0 now16:56
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dilyinactually i'm going to do both16:56
aglarendilIt is a simple similar change that can be automatically fixed by our ci16:56
mihgensince it's not critical..16:56
angdrauglooks intrusive to me, do we really want to make commits like that in 7.0 before HCF?16:56
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aglarendilIt is actually critical mihgen16:56
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aglarendilIt breaks detached services feature16:57
mihgen"before HCF" ?16:57
angdraugerr, I meant after HCF of course16:57
mihgenaglarendil: for all services or just keystone?16:57
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aglarendilAnd the change is similar to the same for other services16:57
dilyini'll post the quick fix to make it work and we'll be able to inish refactoring on the next release16:58
mihgenI'd consider delivering of a fix in updates channel16:58
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xarses2 min16:59
xarses116:59
mihgenthis feature is fairly complex and requires a lot of additional work anyway16:59
angdraugtime16:59
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xarses#endmeeting16:59
mihgenso I think we should be "conservative" here as well...16:59
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tmcpeako/17:00
tmcpeak#startmeeting security17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 10 17:00:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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tmcpeak#chair hyakuhei17:00
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openstackCurrent chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak17:00
elmikoo/17:00
tmcpeakwassup e'rybody17:00
tmcpeakI'll give a few minutes for people to trickle in17:00
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* bknudson o/17:00
tkelseyo/17:00
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tmcpeakgood to see you all17:01
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tmcpeakhope you've recovered from your travels back from midcycle for those who went17:01
tmcpeakhyakuhei might be out saving lives (literally)17:01
michaelxinwill try to multitask for another meeting. sorry in advance.17:01
brownehi17:01
tmcpeakso he's asked me to run today17:01
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hyakuheio/17:02
tmcpeakahh speak of the devil17:02
tmcpeakwant to run it Mr. Rob?17:02
tmcpeakI've added you as a chair already17:02
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* hyakuhei just got through the door from a lifeboat shout. 17:02
tmcpeakyou're efficient17:02
hyakuheiCan you take the first 5 minutes please? I need to cool off hehe17:02
tmcpeaksure, wlll do17:02
hyakuheiDanke17:02
tmcpeakok17:02
bknudsonmore refugees?17:02
tmcpeak#topic Midcycle Recap17:03
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hyakuheibknudson: drunk students.17:03
tmcpeakwe got a lot done last week17:03
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dave-mccowano/17:03
tmcpeaktons of work on Anchor, Bandit, and other projects17:03
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tmcpeakI'd like to do a small recap of each activity for those that weren't there and try to assemble next steps to make sure we don't lose momentum17:03
tmcpeakelmiko: care to start with our architecture overview?17:03
elmikosure17:03
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elmikowe discussed, at some length, the ideas surrounding secure comms between the control plane(also known as under-cloud) and the tenant space17:04
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elmikothe results of our discussion are an architecture around passing credentials to nodes in the tenent17:04
tmcpeakelmiko: did we end up formalizing and posting that anywhere?17:05
elmikothe architecture addresses a privilege dropping scheme17:05
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elmikotmcpeak: working on that17:05
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tmcpeakawesome17:05
tmcpeakseems like a good devstack post at least, maybe BP coming?17:05
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elmikothe priv. drop scheme will, hopefully, create a nice way for projects to have their nodes in tenant space gain the creds necessary to perform actions on cloud resources (such as swift(17:05
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tmcpeakcool, yeah, seemed promising17:06
elmikothis also roles in some interesting ideas about endpoint access as well17:06
elmikoi am working on a formalized writeup in a spec-ish format for us to bat around17:06
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tmcpeakfor those that weren't there and are interested we'll have a formal writeup from this and some diagrams to better illustrate17:06
elmikoi'm also gonna do a poc with sahara as the target17:06
tmcpeakperfect17:06
michaelxintmcpeak: cool. Thanks.17:06
tmcpeakelmiko: we'll look forward to that17:07
elmikowe should probaby talk more at the summit as well, but hopefully we'll have something formal to talk about and a poc to demo17:07
hyakuheielmiko: thank you so much for looking into this17:07
bknudsonwe'll need a summit session17:07
hyakuheiand doing the documentation17:07
tmcpeakhyakuhei: +117:07
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tmcpeakthis seems really useful17:07
elmikohyakuhei: np, thinking about the docs has actually surfaced new questions for me. so it will be nice to rip it apart =)17:07
hyakuheiSo I think we came up with some nice ideas. I love the idea of working on a poc17:07
bknudsonwill they have lightning talks? maybe a good place for a demo17:08
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tmcpeakbknudson: +117:08
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hyakuheiI’m planning to have a fishbowl on this auth stuff17:08
elmikocool17:08
tmcpeakhyakuhei: you cooled off? want to talk about anchor progress?17:08
bknudsonmaybe combine with a(nother) dynamic policies17:08
hyakuheiYeah happy to17:08
bknudsondynamic policies discussion17:08
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elmikobknudson: +117:09
bknudsonalthough that might be too much for 1 room.17:09
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hyakuheicool off also equals do all the things I was supposed to do but couldn’t because I was on a lifeboat rescuing drunk people :P17:09
hyakuhei#topic Anchor17:09
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hyakuheiFinally tagged with a version pre-api breaking changes being accepted17:09
hyakuheiI also created some docker containers to make spinning up test instances a bit easier17:09
bknudsonnext time bring a drone and post on youtube.17:09
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hyakuheiAs this is what all the cool kids are doing17:10
elmikohyakuhei: is the container working well?17:10
hyakuheiSeems to :)17:10
hyakuheihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/221285/17:10
hyakuheiI’d appreciate people kicking the tyres on that17:10
hyakuheiif, unlike tmcpeak you could look the Readme first thatd be great ;)17:10
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tmcpeakhaha17:11
dg___hey, sorry Im late17:11
hyakuheiIn other news I created a docker org for openstack security17:12
hyakuheiSo if you want to be added ping me your username17:12
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elmikonice17:12
tmcpeakRTFM is actually useful sometimes ;)17:13
hyakuheiIt’s nice because it makes things look legit :P17:13
hyakuhei#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221285/5/Dockerfile.anchorbase - topline17:13
hyakuheiSo I think that’s all I had on anchor - tkelsey ?17:13
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hyakuheiI guess that’s it then17:14
hyakuhei#topic Bandit17:14
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tmcpeaktons of work done last week17:14
tmcpeaklargely around unit tests, tkelsey refactored result store, I wrote a little tool to automated upstream project checks17:15
tmcpeakchair6 has added multi-threading17:15
tmcpeak(in flight)17:15
elmikonice17:15
tmcpeakccneill has an output formatter done17:15
tmcpeakwell in review17:15
tmcpeakI'm sure there's lots of stuff that I"m fogetting17:15
tkelseyhey, sorry stepped away for a sec17:15
tmcpeakelmiko, browne, chair6, tkelsey, bknudson, what else?17:15
tkelseyso i posted to the ML about Bandit next steps etc17:15
hyakuheifyi I created a Bandit team under the “openstacksecurity” org if you guys want to consume some of the coolaid.17:16
tkelseypleas read and voice any thoughts there :) thanks17:16
bknudsonfixed a bunch of bugs17:16
brownei had a question on bandit17:16
tmcpeakbrowne: what's up?17:16
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tkelseybrowne: ?17:16
brownetox.ini shows it tests with pypy, but do we care about it?17:16
browneand what version if we do?17:16
tkelseythe Pypy tests come from copy n past of boilerplate tox code17:17
elmikoyea, the pypy stuff always causes me trouble17:17
browneok, so are we cool if i remove it?17:18
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tkelseyI am ok with it17:18
tmcpeaksounds good to me17:18
tkelseywith removing it, that is17:18
browneok, cool17:18
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brownewhat about the crypto tracking?  how's that coming along?17:18
tkelseyFYI: Bandit thread: #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/073723.html17:19
tkelseybrowne: so the crypto stuff needs a report formatter, I'll start working on that soon, but have had no time17:19
tmcpeakbrowne: good point, where did we get with that?17:19
chair6i got distracted by concurrency :)17:19
tkelseyyeah chair6 :) I spotted you did somthing for that, ill have to check it ou17:20
tkelsey*out17:20
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browneok, np.  just interested because i think it'll be very useful17:20
tkelseybrowne: +117:20
tkelseyim going to find time to work on it as well, just haven't managed yet17:20
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tmcpeaktkelsey: this post looks good17:21
tkelseytmcpeak: thanks, I invite people to follow up, so we have a more active showing on the list etc17:21
hyakuheiYeah good email17:21
tmcpeakalso it looks like severity filtering might be broken, git blame tkelsey? :)17:21
tkelseyheh, probably my bad17:22
tkelseybug it and i'll go fix it17:22
tmcpeakcool, will do17:22
tkelseychair6: do you want to talk about your concurrency stuff ?17:23
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tkelseytmcpeak: I'll add in unit tests while fixing stuff as well17:23
tmcpeaktkelsey: you the man17:23
tkelseynot if i broke it :P17:24
tmcpeakbut you're fixing it and adding unit tests :)17:24
chair6https://review.openstack.org/221861 is where the initial stab at multiprocessing is17:24
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brownewe could really use unit tests of the manager.py17:24
chair6take a look at the code and at the discussion, add your own thoughts :)17:24
tkelseybrowne: +1 and lots of other places :)17:24
tmcpeakmanager seems to be one of the big remaining areas17:25
tkelseychair6: will do! interesting stuff17:25
tmcpeakchair6: nice simple approach17:25
tmcpeakI like it17:25
browneyeah, but manager.py is the big one.17:25
tmcpeakthat might be good on Bandit for now17:26
tmcpeak?17:26
tkelseyok, we should focus on that next then17:26
tmcpeakI want to squawk about recruiting ;)17:26
tkelseyim good for bandit stuff, chair6 looks like a tidy patch :)17:26
tkelseybrowne: I'll look at manager testing as well17:27
tmcpeakthanks tkelsey17:27
brownetkelsey: thanks.17:27
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tmcpeaksince hyakuhei isn't stopping me, I'll squawk about recruiting17:27
tmcpeakso we'd like to get some new membership for OSSG17:27
tkelseytmcpeak: +117:27
tmcpeakwe have a lot of great projects in flight17:27
tmcpeakbut seems like we'll become spread thinly if we aren't already17:27
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hyakuheiYeah - very thin17:28
tmcpeakfor example some of the agenda items at the midcycle we couldn't address and nobody was available to lead17:28
tmcpeakI started OSSG with a talk bdpayne and nkinder were doing in the Bay17:28
tmcpeakI'd like to get similar talks going again17:28
hyakuhei+217:28
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tmcpeakso we worked on a deck last week17:28
tmcpeakthink it's in fairly good shape17:28
tmcpeaktalks about OpenStack Security and all the related efforts17:28
hyakuheiYeah, needs a few tweaks still17:28
hyakuheiProbably runs 10-15 minutes17:29
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michaelxinit looks good  now17:29
tmcpeakis anybody who hasn't said so already interested in presenting locally?17:29
tmcpeakso far we have bknudson will do one in wherever it is he lives ;)17:29
tmcpeakhyakuhei and dg_ are going to do one in London'ish area17:30
tkelseydg___: got any info on the london one?17:30
tmcpeakbrowne and I will do the bay17:30
michaelxinI will do in San Antonio and Austin17:30
tmcpeakmichaelxin is going to do something in Texas somewheres17:30
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bknudsonthere's a minnesota meetup every once in a while17:30
hyakuheiI was considering trying to piggyback some on local OWASP meetups etc17:30
bknudsonkyle mestery chairs it17:30
tmcpeakalso I should mention that we'll take a three pronged approach where possible 1) openstack meetup, 2) security focused meetup (like OWASP), 3) perhaps something for a security program in a university17:31
mesterybknudson: Ack, would love to get folks there!17:31
tmcpeakthat's kind of where we got to17:31
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tmcpeakI want to make sure this does't get dropped though17:31
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tmcpeaksome effort on our part here could boost our numbers meaningfully going forward17:32
michaelxinI will use OWASP meet up first.17:32
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tmcpeakmichaelxin: please let us know how it goes17:32
bknudsonmestery: at the last security group meetup we discussed doing an intro to openstack security group at meetups.17:32
hyakuheiExcellent, thank you tmcpeak17:32
tkelsey+117:32
michaelxinShould we track our presentations ?17:32
tmcpeakmichaelxin: yeah, definitely17:32
mesterybknudson: That would be pretty epic! Would love to get that in at our Minnesota meetup17:32
hyakuheiwikipage maybe?17:32
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bknudsonmestery: great, we can discuss offline.17:33
tmcpeakhyakuhei: sure or etherpad17:33
tmcpeakI had one but I lost it17:33
mesterybknudson: ack17:33
tmcpeakshould probably start a new one17:33
hyakuheihehe17:33
tmcpeaklet's use this:17:33
tmcpeak#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-project-recruiting17:33
browneso who will be first guinea pig for the presos?17:33
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tmcpeakbrowne: we'll have to do ours later17:34
tmcpeakI'll be out of the bay until mid December17:34
brownetmcpeak: np17:34
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tmcpeakoh forgot to mention chair6 and sicarie are doing Seattle :)17:35
michaelxinI will try to do one for OWASP San Antonio in October since September is already booked.17:35
tmcpeakmichaelxin: great17:35
tmcpeakmeanwhile I'll continue to refine the deck17:35
tmcpeakis there anybody that's interested that doesn't have access to the deck?17:35
michaelxinAustin will have LASCON17:35
tmcpeakPM me your google docs email addy17:35
michaelxinWe will try to present there too.17:35
hyakuheiAny resemblence of the current recruitment deck to other HP decks is purely conincidental….17:35
tmcpeak:P17:35
hyakuheiAs they’re almost certainly copyright...17:35
michaelxinLASCON is next month.17:36
hyakuheiSo yeah, shiny and new :)17:36
tmcpeakaction items here?17:36
tmcpeakwant to make sure this doesn't stall out17:36
hyakuheiVolunteer yourself, update the etherpad17:36
hyakuheirefine the deck17:36
tmcpeakmichaelxin, browne, hyakuhei, dg_, chair6 can you each take a few minutes this week and try to refine the deck?17:36
tmcpeakbknudson17:36
hyakuheiAdd non-HP content (none of the content is vendor specific but more authors is probably better)17:36
hyakuheitmcpeak: Sure17:37
dg___tmcpeak sure17:37
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michaelxintmcpeak: Got it.17:37
tmcpeakawesome, thank you17:37
hyakuheiWell, I’ll try, drunk people are making it hard for me today lol17:37
elmikolol17:37
brownetmcpeak:  i'll try.  flying to Purdue tomorrow for a career fair event17:37
tmcpeakI'm definitely going to get hammered and go boating when I visit UK this December17:37
elmikohaha17:37
tmcpeakand demand for hyakuhei to personally come save me17:37
tkelseylol17:37
tmcpeakcool, so that's probably good for recruiting17:38
tmcpeakmichaelxin: summary for Syntribos?17:38
hyakuheiYeah that’d be cool17:38
michaelxinI already updated that part17:38
michaelxinfor the slide17:39
tmcpeakno I mean summarize on where we got during midcycle please17:39
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michaelxinic17:39
michaelxinI gave a demonstration to the group about its current function including different ways to fuzz17:39
michaelxinhow to run it.17:39
michaelxinconfiguration and payloads.17:40
michaelxinThere are some good feedbacks.17:40
tmcpeakI really enjoyed the demo17:40
tmcpeakgreat work michaelxin and team17:40
michaelxinThanks.17:40
tmcpeakdid we identify concrete next steps to drive it forward?17:40
michaelxinThe group liked it and wanted me to move it to Stackforge.17:40
michaelxinI already got the process started.17:40
tkelseymichaelxin: +117:40
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tmcpeakawesome!17:40
tkelseynice17:40
michaelxinhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/220351/17:40
elmiko+1, syntribos demo was nice17:40
michaelxinelmiko: tkelsey Thanks.17:41
tmcpeakawesome17:41
michaelxinAt the same time, send me more feedbacks.17:41
tmcpeakmichaelxin: will do, it's on my queue of things to try to break things with Syntribos17:41
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michaelxinI will meet my team and give them update syntribos.17:41
tkelseymichaelxin: looking forward to seeing it land :)17:41
michaelxintmcpeak: Thanks.17:41
tmcpeakalso we pretty much smashed through the OSSN queue :P17:42
hyakuheiYeah we did17:42
hyakuheiThough there’s plenty waiting for late +2s17:42
tmcpeakcool, anything we need to do there to get those through?17:42
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hyakuheiThey need iterating through, making sure we’ve got project cores17:43
tmcpeakwho are our +2's? hyakuhei, sicarie, elmiko, and nkinder?17:43
hyakuheiYeah17:43
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tmcpeakcool, what's the best way to get those finished?17:43
elmikoi'll take another pass through the open ones17:43
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tmcpeakbetter earlier while they're still fresh ;)17:43
hyakuheiI’ll run through them tonight and badger people17:44
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tmcpeakperfect17:44
elmikoi can't +2 my own though... ;)17:44
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elmikowell i can, but you know17:44
hyakuheielmiko: I’ve got you covered bro!17:44
elmiko^5 hyakuhei17:44
tmcpeakawww17:45
hyakuheihehe17:45
tmcpeakwhat a loving community17:45
michaelxintmcpeak: +117:45
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hyakuhei#topic Any other business17:45
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hyakuheiI just want to say a massive thank you to everyone who’s helped and contributed to our work recently17:46
tmcpeakhyakuhei: +117:46
tkelseyhyakuhei: +117:46
michaelxinhyakuhei: +117:46
brownehyakuhei:  +117:46
tmcpeakI'm always amazed how much we get done at these things17:46
hyakuheiThe Security project has so many cool activities running now, we’re generating great cotent, grokking the code, providing ways to encrypt many of the things etc. It’s awesome.17:46
tmcpeakand it's always nice to meet face to face17:46
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hyakuhei+117:47
tmcpeak++17:47
elmikohear hear, +117:47
brownetrue that17:47
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tmcpeakhyakuhei: should we start planning for summit things now?17:48
tmcpeakor later?17:48
tmcpeakI won't be there but it sounds like quite a few of you will17:48
brownetmcpeak: good point17:48
hyakuheitmcpeak: It’s started17:49
hyakuheiWe’ve got two fish bowls and two work rooms17:49
hyakuheiBandit can have a WR if it wants it17:49
hyakuheiNot sure about the other WR17:49
hyakuheiFB - one will be the multil privilege auth issue17:49
browneshould we start an etherpad?17:49
tkelseyhyakuhei: great start17:49
hyakuheiyes17:49
tmcpeakmight be cool to do some inter-project socializing17:49
tmcpeakof Bandit17:49
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bknudsonwide receiver? fullback?17:50
tkelseytmcpeak: interesting17:50
hyakuheiThere’s the cross-project design sessions that we should also try to target heavily17:50
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tkelseymaybe invite some project guys to come voice their thoughts on bandit gates17:50
tkelseyhyakuhei: +117:50
tmcpeakyeah, sounds good17:51
bknudsonI think once we get enough projects on bandit there will be enough momentum to get every project on it17:51
tkelseybknudson: hope so :)17:51
tmcpeakbknudson: that would be awesome17:51
bknudsoneventually it'll be required for a tag or badge or whatever they call it17:51
tkelseynice17:51
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elmikothis just popped up on the ml, more food for thought about the privilege cloud user thing. #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/074126.html17:52
tkelseyelmiko: interesting17:53
tkelseygood spot17:53
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hyakuheiYeah that is interesting, we actually had that on the mid-cycle etherpad17:53
elmikothat spec has been around for awhile now, but looks like its being moved out of nova into openstack-specs17:53
hyakuheiThe solution tightly couples to Bandit for identiy which is somewhat scary.17:53
elmikohehe17:54
hyakuheiHonestly I think the solution we came up with is considerably more elegant17:54
chair6s/Bandit/Barbican/, i hope? :)17:54
hyakuheiyeah17:54
tkelseyhyakuhei: s/Bandit/Barbican/17:54
tkelseyheh lag17:54
hyakuheiThat would be _really_ scary17:54
tmcpeaktightly couple all the things to Bandit17:54
hyakuheielmiko: Maybe we can work on our alternative option next week17:54
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redrobothyakuhei why scary?17:54
elmikohyakuhei: sounds good17:55
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hyakuheiredrobot: because I don’t want identity to pivot back to systems that hang off some other identity provider, it creates wierd cyclic auth paths17:55
hyakuheiHowever, I haven’t read _all_ the words in that spec yet17:55
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hyakuheiredrobot: We love Barbican but sometimes people want to do “interesting” things with it17:56
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redrobothyakuhei lol17:56
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elmikoalso, the spec should probably be focusing on castellan instead of barbican, no?17:57
hyakuheiif castellan now does Certificate magics.17:57
redrobotelmiko nope, not in this case17:57
elmikoah, ok17:57
hyakuheiWhich I think someone told me it does?17:57
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redrobothyakuhei nope, no certs in castellan17:57
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hyakuheiok, that’s probably a good thing :)17:57
redrobotactually, I take that back, you can store a cert via Castellan17:57
hyakuheiheh17:57
redrobotbut you can't (and porbably never will) provision certs with Castellan17:58
hyakuheiOpenStack : The cloud controller brought to you from the minds of “Inception” … wheels within wheels….17:58
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tmcpeaklol17:58
elmikolol17:58
hyakuheiOk, I think that’s time people!17:58
hyakuheiAnyone else want to annoy redrobot before I call it?17:59
redrobot:)17:59
hyakuhei#endmeeting17:59
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hyakuheiThanks guys!17:59
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tmcpeakthanks hyakuhei!17:59
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elmikothanks hyakuhei18:00
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amitgandhinz#startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting19:07
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep 10 19:07:02 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:07
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:07
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting'19:07
tonytan4evero/19:07
sriramo/19:07
amitgandhinz#topic review last meeting19:10
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amitgandhinz#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy_weekly_meeting/2015/poppy_weekly_meeting.2015-08-27-19.03.html19:10
amitgandhinzamitgandhinz to resurrect https://review.openstack.org/14319219:10
amitgandhinzhavent had time to work on this19:10
amitgandhinz#action amitgandhinz to resurrect https://review.openstack.org/14319219:10
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malinio/19:10
amitgandhinz#topic liberty-3 updates19:10
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amitgandhinz#link https://launchpad.net/poppy/+milestone/liberty-319:11
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amitgandhinzhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/gate-api-tests19:11
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amitgandhinzi still need to do this - but i dont think im going to anytime soon19:11
amitgandhinzif someone wants to pick this up, feel free to19:11
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amitgandhinztonytan4ever: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/akamai-ssl-driver19:12
tonytan4everI will leave this one in Good progress.19:12
tonytan4everOne big PR rolled out, and another is on the way.19:12
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sriramtonytan4ever: yeah need to review it.19:13
sriramwill review after meeting19:13
tonytan4everYeah19:13
tonytan4everK19:13
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tonytan4everThanks19:13
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amitgandhinztonytan4ever: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/geo-restrictions19:15
amitgandhinzthis is merged now19:15
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tonytan4everYeah19:15
sriramwoot19:15
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amitgandhinzok any other bp/bug updates to cover?19:15
sriramsubmitted a patch for services getting stuck in pending19:16
sriramon maxing out dns retries.19:16
sriramplease review.19:16
tonytan4ever+1ed on that one.19:16
sriramok thanks19:16
srirammalini: please review, and suggest tests :)19:17
maliniI am lost on tht one -will give it another try19:17
srirammalini: ok I can explain on #openstack-poppy19:17
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maliniI mean I know what it does, but thinking of a reasonable test19:18
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srirammalini: yeah19:18
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sriramanyone else have anything?19:20
sriramamitgandhinz: ^^19:20
amitgandhinz#topic Open Discussion19:20
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amitgandhinzso we are approved with the openstack talk for tokyo19:21
amitgandhinzneed to come up with some slides now19:21
amitgandhinzmaybe next week we can do some brainstorming on it19:21
sriramwoot woot!19:21
tonytan4everSounds good to me.19:21
sriramsure19:21
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amitgandhinzi dont have anything else19:23
tonytan4everI am good19:23
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sriramok o/19:23
malinime neither19:23
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amitgandhinzok thanks everyone19:25
amitgandhinz#endmeeting19:25
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Sep 10 19:25:52 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)19:25
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rm_workno certs in casellan :(19:59
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