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| lxsli | o/ | 13:59 |
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| n0ano | lxsli, you're too eager, it's early :-) | 14:00 |
| n0ano | #startmeeting nova-scheduler | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 14 14:00:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| lxsli | o7 | 14:00 |
| n0ano | anyone other than lxsli here to talk about the scheduler? | 14:00 |
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| edleafe | o/ | 14:00 |
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| bauzas | \o | 14:02 |
| PaulMurray | \o | 14:02 |
| n0ano | #topic Liberty patches – https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty patches – https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:03 | |
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| n0ano | so I guess we didn't get all our patches into Liberty, that's a bit discouraging | 14:03 |
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| n0ano | I'm guessing everyone will be scrambling to finish the release so there won't be any time for Mitaka work until Nov. | 14:04 |
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| n0ano | the big miss was the request spec object, do we think we can get that pushed early in Nov? | 14:05 |
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| edleafe | yeah, mitaka won't even open before RC1 | 14:05 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, was hoping you had some thoughts on your patches | 14:07 |
| bauzas | so | 14:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | curious if there are any big scheduler bugs folks think we need for Liberty, particularly release blockers | 14:07 |
| bauzas | n0ano: a few changes merged, but not really related to the scheduler | 14:07 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: looked at the bugs, and no really bugs I can see to be merged | 14:08 |
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| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, haven't heard of any so I certainly don't think there are any blockers out there | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: bauzas: good good, do shout if you hear about one, we are actively listening | 14:08 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=scheduler is just havng 2 bugs in progress | 14:09 |
| bauzas | both of them are Low | 14:09 |
| bauzas | others are wishlist ones, so I don't want them particularly to be merged during RC1 | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | ack | 14:09 |
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| n0ano | so, back to request spec object | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I have a feeling we could get request spec merged before the summit, are we all lined up to push on things once mitaka opens? | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I should be able to unblock process things once we are open | 14:12 |
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| n0ano | do we have any idea how bad the merge hell cycle will be once it opens? | 14:12 |
| bauzas | your call | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: we want to get things that were previously approved up for review ASAP, I feel, request spec seems a good candidate | 14:14 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: the spec is up for fast-track approval | 14:14 |
| bauzas | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220312/ | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: thats a good start | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I focused on code reviews right this second | 14:15 |
| bauzas | okay | 14:15 |
| bauzas | reviews are good anyway | 14:15 |
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| bauzas | well, I can hear crickets | 14:17 |
| bauzas | are we moving on ? | 14:17 |
| lxsli | lets | 14:17 |
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| n0ano | OK, no real resolution here, I guess it's just try an push to Mitaka as soon as it opens | 14:18 |
| bauzas | n0ano: just trust ourselves:) | 14:18 |
| bauzas | n0ano: we're in good progress and we'll be able to land some stuff | 14:18 |
| n0ano | bauzas, indeed :-) | 14:18 |
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| n0ano | I just worry about when will we be ready to make the scheduler split out, it keeps dragging out | 14:19 |
| bauzas | that's just a pretty calm period because of $ff that's it | 14:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: what resolution are you looking for here? | 14:19 |
| n0ano | I guess we're committing to having the code ready to push, will there be core reviewers ready to approve? | 14:19 |
| bauzas | n0ano: we have | 14:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it seemed to get a lot of attention before | 14:20 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: +1 even +2 | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I would hope it gets similar high levels of attention again | 14:20 |
| bauzas | I never felt a miss of traction during that cycle, the prio helped a lot | 14:20 |
| n0ano | OK, cross our fingers and let's hope we can get it merged | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | it was just a lot of code to review and agree on, I think we broke through the main bits, so hopefully not too bad now | 14:21 |
| n0ano | OK, let's move on then | 14:22 |
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| n0ano | #topic Mitaka planning | 14:22 |
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| n0ano | I assume we'll have a scheduler session at the summit | 14:22 |
| n0ano | I want to talk about removing flavor knowledge from the scheduler | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | so one extra request on the last stuff, sorry, really need more non-core reviews on those patches too, if possible | 14:22 |
| n0ano | any other hot items we want to talk about there? | 14:23 |
| jaypipes | hi guys, sorry for being late | 14:23 |
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| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, we'll do our best and try and get some more | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: that would be cool, thank you | 14:24 |
| n0ano | jaypipes, NP, we beat up on bauzas request spec patches, were all of yours merged? | 14:24 |
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| n0ano | jaypipes, YT | 14:26 |
| n0ano | guess not, so anyother ideas people want for the summit? | 14:27 |
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| n0ano | must be too early, think about it, we can talk in more detail next week maybe | 14:29 |
| edleafe | n0ano: I still think removing flavors from everything except the API is a worthwhile topic | 14:29 |
| n0ano | edleafe, tnx, that's the one I want to raise | 14:29 |
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| lxsli | +1 but I don't have other ideas right now | 14:30 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 14:30 |
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| n0ano | so, any new issues for today? | 14:30 |
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| n0ano | OK, hearing crickets | 14:31 |
| edleafe | just curious: is everyone going to be in Tokyo? | 14:31 |
| bauzas | I do | 14:31 |
| lxsli | aww yiss | 14:31 |
| n0ano | I will be, just got approved | 14:31 |
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| jaypipes | n0ano: no, mine were not merged :( | 14:31 |
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| PaulMurray | jaypipes, has a very slow link | 14:32 |
| PaulMurray | yes I will be ther | 14:32 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I tried to rework the one unit test you had suggested (the context manager one) but it was just pointless. | 14:32 |
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| n0ano | jaypipes, bummer, scroll back johnthetubaguy thinks we can get some things merged before Tokyo, mayber yours also | 14:32 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: okay, we can chat on that later, I don't want to nitpick | 14:32 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I think I'd rather just delete the unit test. I mean, are we *really* testing to see whether a context manager works? | 14:32 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: link to refresh my mind? | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | we can sure try, as normal, previously approved stuff gets fast track approved when the next release opens | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | just ping me once mitaka is open to help make that happen | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | (or any other nova-driver) | 14:33 |
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| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, I'll definitely remember to do that | 14:33 |
| bauzas | I honestly wonder if we still need a weekly meeting until Mitaka opens | 14:34 |
| edleafe | bauzas: good point | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: cool, same process as last two releases with all that, basically | 14:34 |
| bauzas | given the pretty low benefits of cross-coordination we have | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: at least thats the current plan | 14:34 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213591/ | 14:34 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: maybe one more just bfore tokyo to coordinate discussions at the summit | 14:35 |
| bauzas | edleafe: yup, Tokyo is in 4 weeks, hence my point | 14:35 |
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| n0ano | edleafe, I'm willing to do that, maybe cancel next week, do the one after and then meet at Tokyo? | 14:35 |
| edleafe | n0ano: +1 | 14:35 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: let's discuss that in -nova once we're done, agreed ? | 14:36 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: yup, no worries. | 14:36 |
| bauzas | n0ano: fair enough | 14:36 |
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| n0ano | OK, unless there's any last minute items | 14:36 |
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| n0ano | tnx everyone, talk again soonish | 14:37 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 14:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 14 14:37:27 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-09-14-14.00.html | 14:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-09-14-14.00.txt | 14:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-09-14-14.00.log.html | 14:37 |
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| harlowja_at_home | meep? | 16:03 |
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| johnsom | Hi | 16:03 |
| amrith | meep? | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | meep meeep? | 16:03 |
| amrith | please leave a message after the meep. | 16:03 |
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| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | meep, is there an oslo meeting meep | 16:04 |
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| jecarey | I was waiting for Wile E Coyote to show up. | 16:04 |
| amrith | ah yes, meep meep the road runner | 16:05 |
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| amrith | good days | 16:05 |
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| amrith | programming languages like basic had a "DIM" statement | 16:05 |
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| ozamiatin | hi | 16:05 |
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| amrith | hmmm. | 16:06 |
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| harlowja_at_home | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=meep | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | 'The most versatile word in the English language, or in fact any language! ' | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | hahah | 16:07 |
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| amrith | this is why I love oslo meetings. you always learn something new. | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-P | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj1 | amrith, ++ | 16:08 |
| amrith | maybe for tokyo we should all get t-shirts that just say "meep" | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnT7pT6zCcA (for more meeping) ha | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | ^ also hella annoying, ha | 16:09 |
| amrith | http://abcnews.go.com/WN/meep-nonsense-word-students-hot-water/story?id=9054266 | 16:09 |
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| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:09 |
| jecarey | t shirt: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/242350023672340802/ | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | +1 | 16:10 |
| bknudson | the abc article says meep started with beaker. | 16:10 |
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| * harlowja_at_home poked dims, not sure if there is an oslo meeting | 16:11 | |
| harlowja_at_home | i know we have meep fun though, so its all good :-P | 16:11 |
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| harlowja_at_home | wtf, after that youtube video go directed to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgbNymZ7vqY | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | 'Bohemian Rhapsody | Muppet Music Video' | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | man, weird, ha | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | muppets are aweseome, lol | 16:12 |
| johnsom | It is still associated with road runner for me | 16:12 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I though dims canceled it | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | oh | 16:12 |
| kzaitsev_mb | saw an email | 16:12 |
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| harlowja_at_home | haha | 16:12 |
| kzaitsev_mb | but not sure =) | 16:12 |
| amrith | meep | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | let me see | 16:12 |
| johnsom | I thought that was last week | 16:13 |
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| bknudson | did the doc sprint ever get set up? | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, i thought so to, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/073732.html (labor day...) | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | but we can all just watch muppet videos, ha | 16:13 |
| bknudson | Looks like it was last week at the latest so I guess I missed it. | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | hmmm, doc sprint for oslo? | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | guess i missed that if so :-/ | 16:15 |
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| dims | sorry folks, i had to step out and could not get back in time for the meeting. | 16:17 |
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| harlowja_at_home | dims, meeting can still happen | 16:18 |
| dims | ok let's try | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | we were all meeping and watching muppet videos anyway :-P | 16:18 |
| amrith | hello dims | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | (at least i was) | 16:18 |
| amrith | +1 | 16:18 |
| dims | #startmeeting oslo | 16:19 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 14 16:19:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dims. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:19 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:19 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:19 |
| dims | anyone still here? :) | 16:19 |
| dims | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, harlowja, haypo, | 16:19 |
| rpodolyaka1 | o/ | 16:19 |
| dims | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, | 16:19 |
| dims | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:19 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | supppp | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:19 |
| amrith | ./ | 16:19 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:19 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:19 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:19 |
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| dims | #topic Releases for Liberty | 16:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases for Liberty (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:19 | |
| jecarey | o/ | 16:19 |
| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 16:19 |
| dims | stable/liberty branches are cut for all oslo projects. yay | 16:20 |
| rpodolyaka1 | \o/ | 16:20 |
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| dims | so go on and +2/+A things in review please | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | yaaa | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:20 |
| dims | if we need something from master to stable/liberty, please ping me | 16:20 |
| dims | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:21 | |
| dims | any liaisons still around? :) | 16:21 |
| amrith | yes and nothing to report. | 16:21 |
| amrith | the gate ... | 16:21 |
| bknudson | nothing for keystone. | 16:21 |
| toabctl | hi | 16:21 |
| dims | we've been only doing g-r and translations for some time now...so hoping all's well | 16:21 |
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| dims | thanks amrith bknudson | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj1 | Sorry, I am kind-of here. | 16:22 |
| dims | hi jungleboyj1 | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj1 | No red flags from Cinder. | 16:22 |
| dims | thanks! | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj1 | We are just in bug fix mode now. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj1 | Thank you dims... Sorry for being distracted tdoday. | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | fix all the bugs! | 16:23 |
| dims | no worries jungleboyj1, i reached here late as well | 16:23 |
| dims | #topic virtual doc sprint | 16:23 |
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| dims | totally got the timing wrong on the sprint | 16:24 |
| dims | does anyone have time next thu and friday? | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | me | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | next thu, not this one right? | 16:24 |
| dims | 24 and 25th sept | 16:24 |
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| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:24 |
| dims | y | 16:24 |
| bknudson | I've got nothing going on next week. | 16:25 |
| dims | bknudson: awesome | 16:25 |
| dims | :) | 16:25 |
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| bknudson | and the gate is definitely not going to be broken | 16:25 |
| dims | right | 16:25 |
| jecarey | I can help | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | the gate is never broken, idk what u guys are talking about | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:25 |
| dims | jecarey: awesome, do you want to coordinate? | 16:26 |
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| bknudson | someone needs to supply chips and dip. | 16:26 |
| jecarey | sure ... do we have specific libraries we want to focus on? | 16:27 |
| * dims volunteers for chips and dip | 16:27 | |
| harlowja_at_home | virtual chips and dip? | 16:27 |
| dims | jecarey: don't know yet, we can use the etherpad to figure out | 16:27 |
| dims | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-liberty-virtual-doc-sprint | 16:27 |
| dims | jecarey: need to send an email out with the date too | 16:28 |
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| dims | #topic bugs, bugs, bugs | 16:28 |
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| dims | have to ask, do we have things we really need for liberty? | 16:29 |
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| dims | i saw some oslo.db stuff for logging tracebacks | 16:29 |
| dims | in review | 16:29 |
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| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221606/ would be sorta nice, idk | 16:29 |
| dims | there was a review for hiding tokens in logging | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | but idk if its 'really need' | 16:29 |
| dims | right | 16:29 |
| dims | not doing sorta-nice :) | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-P | 16:30 |
| rpodolyaka1 | dims: I missed the oslo.db one, will take a look | 16:30 |
| dims | #action jecarey to send out email for virtual sprint :) | 16:31 |
| dims | ok jecarey? :) | 16:31 |
| dims | thanks rpodolyaka1 | 16:31 |
| jecarey | yes | 16:31 |
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| dims | #topic Summit planning | 16:31 |
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| dims | harlowja_at_home: can you take point on this please? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-oslo-summit-planning | 16:32 |
| dims | what new libraries we need? drivers? | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | sureeee | 16:32 |
| dims | i saw a blueprint for kafka with oslo.messaging for example | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | right | 16:32 |
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| harlowja_at_home | kafka def requires a session i think | 16:33 |
| dims | we'll need a blueprint to nuke oslo-incubator | 16:33 |
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| dims | rpodolyaka1: any new stuff in oslo.db? | 16:33 |
| dims | amrith: kzaitsev_mb: any new fun stuff we can do in oslo? | 16:33 |
| amrith | dims, none that I have right now from the trove team | 16:34 |
| ozamiatin | dims: I've filed one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+spec/messaging-api-ext but spec is in progress | 16:34 |
| amrith | we're looking into encryption of amqp traffic with o.m | 16:34 |
| dims | oh, over the weekend found this fun looking middlware thingy - https://github.com/racker/eom/pulse | 16:34 |
| amrith | haven't enabled that by default yet | 16:34 |
| amrith | but are trying to make sure those things all work as expected. | 16:34 |
| amrith | you may get some requests out of that. | 16:35 |
| dims | amrith: transport level or payload level amrith? | 16:35 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | dims: probably just additional work based on the EngineFacade merged in Liberty (like automatic retries on deadlocks, etc) | 16:35 |
| dims | ozamiatin: cool | 16:35 |
| rpodolyaka1 | dims: not sure it's big enough to have a bp/spec | 16:35 |
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| amrith | dims, transport level. | 16:35 |
| * rpodolyaka1 needs to a write a blog post to 'advertise' EngineFacade | 16:35 | |
| dims | kgiusti: johnsom: bknudson: anything you can think ok? | 16:36 |
| dims | rpodolyaka1: ++ | 16:36 |
| dims | rpodolyaka1: reminds me, haven't seen zzzeeek in a while | 16:36 |
| johnsom | I don't have anything | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, i added something to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-oslo-summit-planning (it'd be really nice to finally get something going/finished for trusted messaging stuff in o.m) | 16:36 |
| bknudson | are you running bandit? | 16:36 |
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| harlowja_at_home | amrith, maybe at summit we can really figure that out (finally) | 16:37 |
| bknudson | could talk about obfuscating / encrypting config options | 16:37 |
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| amrith | harlowja_at_home, sure | 16:37 |
| bknudson | also could talk about supporting replacements | 16:37 |
| rpodolyaka1 | dims: yeah, me neither, he must have been busy working on something else | 16:37 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: the privsep spec will need a session | 16:38 |
| dims | rpodolyaka1: ack | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, def | 16:38 |
| dims | bknudson: ++ to safe password storage | 16:38 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I like that one | 16:39 |
| dims | bknudson: need a session to advertize the new oslo.policy stuff? | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, ok i added '* safe config password storage (aka, the whattt my passwords are in clear-text, woah), keeping somethings in a vault... (or better name)' | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | feel free to rename, seems like a useful session | 16:39 |
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| bknudson | dims: I'm sure there will be a keystone session on policy (aka dynamic policies) | 16:39 |
| dims | big ticket...is there anything we can do to help python3 adoption? | 16:39 |
| dims | bknudson: ++ | 16:40 |
| * dims invokes haypo | 16:40 | |
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| dims | ozamiatin: you need one session for zmq right? | 16:41 |
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| ozamiatin | dims: right | 16:41 |
| dims | ozamiatin: please update https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-oslo-summit-planning | 16:41 |
| ozamiatin | dims: ok, will do | 16:42 |
| dims | thanks | 16:42 |
| amrith | sorry, tuned out for a second reading what bandit was. Why is OSLO storing passwords? is this something new? | 16:42 |
| dims | amrith: oslo.config files have passwords right now | 16:43 |
| amrith | yes | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | i don't think oslo is, oslo.config is (sadly imho) and it'd be nicer to have some kind of let's call it oslo.config.vault or something | 16:43 |
| dims | we need to figure out how to take them out of there | 16:43 |
| amrith | and the passwords are easy to read now ;) | 16:43 |
| dims | exactly :) | 16:43 |
| amrith | isn't that something to push into barbican? | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | something like a oslo.config.vault would fix that (maybe?) | 16:43 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: if we put them in a vault, where would we store the pass phrase to open the vault? | 16:44 |
| * amrith runs off to look at oslo.config.vault | 16:44 | |
| dims | amrith: there isn't one :) | 16:44 |
| dhellmann | amrith: if we put them in barbican, where do we put the credentials to get into barbican? | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-P | 16:44 |
| dims | haha | 16:44 |
| dims | what do other frameworks, services do for their passwords is a better leading question i think | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | so knowing what yahoo has done for this, i believe there is an easily rotatable key that is used to get into the 'vault' | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | but i can try to find people to comment on the yahoo internal solution for just this problem.. | 16:45 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: that would be good | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | def | 16:45 |
| dims | dhellmann: i was asking before, is there anything in oslo we can do around python3 to help other projects | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | dims: sorry, distracted by release work today | 16:46 |
| dims | no worries dhellmann | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | I'm not sure there's anything in oslo to do, but if someone wanted to take over my devstack patch next cycle that might be useful | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/181165 | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | I'm going to try again, but time... | 16:46 |
| dims | dhellmann: ack. i can take that over | 16:47 |
| amrith | dhellmann, this is a catch-22 | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | amrith: right. We've always viewed oslo.config as the lowest-level for managing this sort of info. | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | it's the same reason we don't create a service for distributing oslo.config content instead of using files -- we would need a config file to tell an app where to talk to the config service | 16:48 |
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| bknudson | there's already services for distributing config files | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | right | 16:49 |
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| dhellmann | from time to time we get folks suggesting that oslo.config accept a URL instead of a filename, so it can hit a remote service. But how do you tell an app what the URL is? | 16:49 |
| * dims peeks at openstack-specs to see if there's things we can do from there - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/openstack-specs,n,z | 16:50 | |
| harlowja_at_home | metaconfig :-P | 16:50 |
| harlowja_at_home | oslo.metaconfig, ha | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | I'm not saying it's a bad idea, just that none of the solutions proposed so far have made things "simpler" in any appreciable way. | 16:50 |
| dims | "asynchronous user event support to OpenStack" | 16:51 |
| dims | quota's - everyone needs them and everyone has something right now | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | dims: the conclusion we reached on a centralized quota thing was it needed to be a service, since it needs a database schema | 16:53 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, i agree to that, i have some coworkers working on that, i'm not sure about oslo.quotas yet | 16:53 |
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| harlowja_at_home | oslo.quotas or something maybe someday | 16:53 |
| bknudson | that service is not keystone | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | I can't remember if that was paris or vancouver where that discussion happened | 16:53 |
| harlowja_at_home | could be useful to brainstorm though, idk | 16:53 |
| dims | looks like amrith had to drop off, i remember he was talking about hiding things in nova that are started by trove from end user | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | no, there's an existing thing that starts with B that needs to be fixed up and hardened, I think | 16:53 |
| harlowja_at_home | boson, meh, idk | 16:54 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home: yeah, that's the one | 16:54 |
| dhellmann | I haven't looked at the code or anything, so I don't know if it's what we'd want or if we'd want to build something else | 16:54 |
| harlowja_at_home | to me quotas really require a much larger initiative across all projects to get fully resolved, folks i know are working on pieces of it, but ya, time, people, cross-projects need to all really agree... | 16:55 |
| dhellmann | right | 16:55 |
| harlowja_at_home | so i'm really thinking, ummm, maybe in a couple of years, idk | 16:55 |
| dims | k that's all the ideas i had in my head :) | 16:55 |
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| harlowja_at_home | unless some TC group wants to help out really push this :-P | 16:55 |
| dhellmann | dims: it would be interesting to see if there's some work in the WSGI app level that could be pulled into oslo. Some of the flask/pecan setup stuff, for example. | 16:55 |
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| dims | dhellmann: interesting | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | dims: an oslo.rest lib maybe? with different parts for a flask app and a pecan app | 16:56 |
| dims | dhellmann: there was something that the docs group (annegentle) was trying/thinking in terms of documenting services as well | 16:56 |
| dims | related to that | 16:57 |
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| bknudson | let's spend the time getting stuff done | 16:57 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I've had pretty good luck with adding sphinxext modules to a couple of libraries for doc work | 16:57 |
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| dims | k. we can talk more next meeting | 16:57 |
| dims | i have one more topic | 16:57 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: ++ -- it would be good to work on the lib docs, if we don't sprint before then | 16:57 |
| dims | #topic next ptl | 16:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "next ptl (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:58 | |
| bknudson | we're sprinting next week | 16:58 |
| * dhellmann realizes ++ with -- is confusing | 16:58 | |
| dhellmann | oh! | 16:58 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, for quotas, i think its getting stuff done + a crap-ton of getting projects to agree, both need to happen (and probably at the same time) | 16:58 |
| * dhellmann checks his calendar | 16:58 | |
| dims | dhellmann: y picked next thu/fri | 16:58 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 16:58 |
| dims | so, i have fuel in the tank for one more round (M) as ptl. but would be great to see a vote so would encourage anyone else who wishes to run as well | 16:59 |
| harlowja_at_home | so are u half full or half empty? | 17:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 17:00 |
| dims | i believe we have this week to file nominations | 17:00 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: haha | 17:00 |
| dhellmann | it would also be good for anyone who thinks they want to do it to shadow dims this cycle (assuming he is re-elected) to learn the ropes | 17:00 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home: half full | 17:00 |
| dims | 1000++ | 17:00 |
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| dims | so please think about it | 17:00 |
| dims | almost out of time | 17:01 |
| dims | thanks everyone. talk to you next week. apologies for the delayed start | 17:01 |
| dims | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 14 17:01:49 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-09-14-16.19.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-09-14-16.19.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-09-14-16.19.log.html | 17:01 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 14 19:00:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
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| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-09-14 | 19:01 |
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| pvaneck | o/ | 19:02 |
| catherineD | roll call | 19:02 |
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| sslypushenko__ | o/ Hi, all! | 19:02 |
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| pvaneck | hi sslypushenko__ | 19:02 |
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| catherineD | hell pvaneck: sslypushenko__: | 19:03 |
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| catherineD | hello | 19:03 |
| catherineD | :-) | 19:03 |
| pvaneck | hah | 19:03 |
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| catherineD | do you get the link to the agenda? | 19:04 |
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| catherineD | #topic Relocate RefStack Project | 19:04 |
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| catherineD | #info RefStack repositories moved to openstack namespace on 20150911 | 19:05 |
| pvaneck | I think just about all the references were updated to reflect this change | 19:06 |
| pvaneck | pending +A for a refstack-client patch | 19:06 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko__: could you review the refstack-client patch please | 19:07 |
| sslypushenko__ | Sure | 19:07 |
| sslypushenko__ | Done) | 19:08 |
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| catherineD | congrats to ourself for being part of the OpenStack "Big Tent" | 19:08 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: thx | 19:09 |
| sslypushenko__ | catherineD Big move for RefStack) | 19:09 |
| catherineD | Yes it is ... it has been a long journey .. thank you all! | 19:09 |
| catherineD | #topic Infra hosting | 19:10 |
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| catherineD | pvaneck: any update? | 19:10 |
| pvaneck | just have to add proper https parameters to the system-config patch, then i think we should be good | 19:10 |
| catherineD | that is good .... who is doing that? | 19:11 |
| pvaneck | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198869/ | 19:11 |
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| pvaneck | I will have to see how the hiera params are set for all the ssl certs and stuff | 19:13 |
| pvaneck | need to make sure they match the expected params in puppet-refstack | 19:13 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: thx ... | 19:13 |
| catherineD | let move to the next big topic ... | 19:14 |
| catherineD | #topic CPID | 19:14 |
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| catherineD | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/221555/ | 19:15 |
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| catherineD | #link original UUID spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99500/ | 19:15 |
| catherineD | I would like have an update to this spec to spell out the following: | 19:16 |
| sslypushenko__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222582/ This patch removes dependency on admin creds, is it not enough? | 19:16 |
| catherineD | 1) update to use service catalog with non-admin user | 19:17 |
| catherineD | 2) update to also support keystone V3 API | 19:17 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: we should take this opportunity to discuss about Keystone V3 support | 19:18 |
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| sslypushenko__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222582/ can be considered as quick fix | 19:18 |
| sslypushenko__ | I can easily add v3 support here | 19:18 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko__: please do | 19:18 |
| sslypushenko__ | Main issue there is not V3 support | 19:19 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: yes | 19:19 |
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| sslypushenko__ | We shouldn't use creds from tempest.conf | 19:19 |
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| sslypushenko__ | it will be depreciated soon | 19:19 |
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| catherineD | The other issue as point out by pvaneck: 's comments is that the ID field returned by V2 and V3 are different "things" if using the catalog command... | 19:20 |
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| sslypushenko__ | hmm... in my devstack setup they are equal | 19:20 |
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| catherineD | for v2 and v3? | 19:21 |
| sslypushenko__ | yes | 19:21 |
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| catherineD | we check the keystone code ... it does not look so from the code ... | 19:21 |
| sslypushenko__ | hmmm... I can try again | 19:22 |
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| catherineD | the v3 id returned by the catalog commend is the keystone service ID ... | 19:22 |
| pvaneck | for me, only v3 gave the identity service_id, and v2 gave the id in the database associated with internalURL of identity | 19:22 |
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| edmondsw | this might help understand the differences in ids between v2 and v3 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/164826/ | 19:23 |
| catherineD | where in V2 the ID is the endpoint ID that return at index one of the dictionary ... | 19:23 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 19:23 |
| edmondsw | in short, there is an id field in v2 that does map directly to an id field in v3 | 19:23 |
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| stevemar | edmondsw: ++ | 19:24 |
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| catherineD | edmondsw: we will take a look at the patch ... | 19:25 |
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| catherineD | currently our issue is the ID being returned in V2 could be one of the 3 IDs of admin, public, private endpoint ... but it is not guarantee which one being use ... | 19:26 |
| hogepodge | Is it repeatable? | 19:26 |
| hogepodge | That is, does it matter as long as the same call is made? | 19:27 |
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| catherineD | we will update RefStack spec such that .... RefStack will always use the ID from the V3 if the V3 API is supported (that is for env only supports V3 or one that supports both v2 and v3) | 19:28 |
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| catherineD | hogepodge: repeatable or not is depending on the underline database ... | 19:28 |
| catherineD | we can not control that behavior ... | 19:29 |
| sslypushenko__ | In my setup V2 ID are equal to public V3 ID | 19:29 |
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| sslypushenko__ | I have just checked | 19:29 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: and v3 id is the service id? | 19:29 |
| sslypushenko__ | service id is different | 19:29 |
| sslypushenko__ | but id for public endpoint is eqaul | 19:30 |
| catherineD | I mean what is the id field if you use v3 API to get the catalog | 19:30 |
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| sslypushenko__ | This issue needs additional investigation | 19:31 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: agree | 19:31 |
| sslypushenko__ | Maybe it is just coincidence... | 19:31 |
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| catherineD | that is why we need a spec to spell out exactly how RefStack will implement to handle V2 and V3 | 19:32 |
| sslypushenko__ | But anyway almost all clouds support V2 for now | 19:32 |
| sslypushenko__ | For our biggest trouble not a v3 support | 19:32 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko__: please look at the refstack IRC .... we just encounter a cloud which only support V3 API ... | 19:33 |
| sslypushenko__ | Oh... interesting) | 19:33 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: we also just have a bug opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/refstack/+bug/1495671 | 19:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1495671 in refstack "not supporting V3 when fetching the Keystone ID being used as Cloud Provider ID" [Undecided,New] | 19:33 |
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| pvaneck | <sslypushenko__: you were saying that tempest.conf user creds were being deprecated | 19:35 |
| sslypushenko__ | I will look what I can do | 19:35 |
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| pvaneck | is that in favor of accounts.yaml credentials? | 19:35 |
| sslypushenko__ | pvaneck Yeap | 19:35 |
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| catherineD | #agreed RefStack team to investigate and create/update a spec to cleary describe how RefStack obtains CPID with V2/V3 Keystone API | 19:35 |
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| sslypushenko__ | Actually, both ways should work | 19:35 |
| sslypushenko__ | So, we need to use tempest for extracting creds | 19:36 |
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| catherineD | CPID should be our priority for this week....since we have a case where the user can not run test ... | 19:36 |
| pvaneck | sure, i'll play around with it as well | 19:37 |
| catherineD | anything else? | 19:37 |
| catherineD | moving on ... | 19:38 |
| catherineD | #topic ReStack mailling list | 19:39 |
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| catherineD | at some point , I heard from rocky: that we should not use fits@OpenStack.org | 19:39 |
| catherineD | but she is not here today ... | 19:40 |
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| pvaneck | just use openstack-dev with [RefStack] in topic if ever we have to send out something I suppose | 19:40 |
| sslypushenko__ | pvaneck +1 | 19:41 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: sslypushenko__: what do you think of pvaneck: 's suggestion? | 19:41 |
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| * markvoelker thinks that'a a fine way to go and would fit in with how a lot of other Big Tent projects work | 19:42 | |
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| pvaneck | yea, we are /openstack now so seems right | 19:44 |
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| catherineD | #agreed Use openstack-dev with [RefStack] in the topic for RefStack related mails. Stop using fits@OpenStack.org . | 19:44 |
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| catherineD | #topic Can RSA key be shared among users? | 19:45 |
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| catherineD | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/refstack/+bug/1494679 | 19:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1494679 in refstack "When user upload the same ssh keys twice, refstack will response internal error" [Undecided,New] | 19:45 |
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| pvaneck | that was already addressed as david confirmed in the comments | 19:45 |
| pvaneck | but i don't think two users can have the same key with the current implementation | 19:46 |
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| sslypushenko__ | Absolutely | 19:47 |
| catherineD | should we allow 2 users with the same key? | 19:47 |
| sslypushenko__ | For what reason? | 19:47 |
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| catherineD | think about the case of one vendor with multiple users// | 19:47 |
| markvoelker | I'll chime in here since I owe you a spec on vendor registration which has somewhat similar concenrs | 19:47 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: yes ...thx | 19:48 |
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| markvoelker | I'm generally of the opinion that key sharing is a Bad Thing that we should avoid. Rather, keys are linked to individuals and some other process links individuals to organizations | 19:48 |
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| markvoelker | So IMHO the current behavior is fine in that respect. | 19:49 |
| sslypushenko__ | vendor registration will be done in some other way than key sharing) | 19:49 |
| catherineD | but right now the data only link to key and nothing else .. | 19:50 |
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| catherineD | so for someway if we keep what we are implemented today we need to link key to vendor | 19:50 |
| catherineD | because user can move from vendor to vendor ... | 19:50 |
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| markvoelker | catherineD: I think there are mechanisms to accomplish that relatively easily. Have we consulted with the Foundation as to how they've handled this in the past? | 19:51 |
| sslypushenko__ | catherineD We need link test result to vendor , not key | 19:51 |
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| catherineD | markvoelker: I was hoping for some response to my mail from the Foundation ... | 19:52 |
| markvoelker | Because, IMHO, you could do something along the lines of have the result tied to a key, have the user send in his email requesting logo status to the Foundation via email from a company address signed with that same key, etc. | 19:52 |
| markvoelker | SOmething along those lines could verify that the submitter works for the vendor in question (assuming they don't give corporate email to just anyone), though there are other issues... | 19:53 |
| markvoelker | ...e.g. making sure they're authorized by the company to speak for the product in question. | 19:53 |
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| markvoelker | (there are over 80k employees at my last company, of whom maybe 3 would be authorized to do official things for an OpenStack product =p) | 19:54 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: yup ... would you response to the email ... hopefully the Foundation will give feedback too .. | 19:54 |
| sslypushenko__ | In RefStack key identifies user and nothing more... Relations between vendors and user it is something completely else) | 19:55 |
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| markvoelker | catherineD: Yes, I'm drafting something up | 19:55 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: thank you so much ... | 19:55 |
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| catherineD | 5 mins left let discuss the next topic quickly ... which is somewhat related ... | 19:56 |
| catherineD | #topic Disable anonymous data upload now that user can decide to share data anonymously. | 19:56 |
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| catherineD | I guess this will be our target .. | 19:57 |
| catherineD | do we have agreement here? | 19:57 |
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| hogepodge | uhm, I don't like the extra step of creating an account | 19:57 |
| hogepodge | etc etc | 19:57 |
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| hogepodge | I think it will reduce participation (which we already have a hard time encouraging) | 19:58 |
| catherineD | with anonymous upload ... we can never able to clean up the data | 19:58 |
| hogepodge | that's just my $0.02 though | 19:58 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: very valid concern about partipation .... | 19:58 |
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| catherineD | hogepodge: that is what bothering me too... | 19:58 |
| hogepodge | yeah, bad results is a problem | 19:58 |
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| catherineD | hogepodge: with signed data upload now user can do clean up by deleting data | 19:59 |
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| sslypushenko__ | Lets move disscussion to refstack channel | 19:59 |
| catherineD | with anonymous data we can not delete . .. | 19:59 |
| catherineD | ok | 19:59 |
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| catherineD | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 14 19:59:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-09-14-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-09-14-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-09-14-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 14 20:00:31 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
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| dave-mccowan | :-D | 20:00 |
| rellerreller | o/ | 20:00 |
| silos1 | o/ | 20:00 |
| diazjf | 0/ | 20:01 |
| elmiko | o/ | 20:01 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:01 |
| hockeynut | o/ | 20:01 |
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| woodster_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan channeling your inner chellygel? :) | 20:01 |
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| alee | o/ | 20:01 |
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| hockeynut | dave-mccowan getting all fancy on us | 20:01 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:01 |
| lisaclark1 | o/ | 20:01 |
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| * dave-mccowan looking for something to cut and paste. | 20:02 | |
| jkf | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | lots of barbicaneers here today | 20:02 |
| redrobot | let's get this started | 20:02 |
| redrobot | as usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | #topic Dave McCowan nominated for Core team | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/073866.html | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | as a reminder the core process is outlined here: | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Barbican/CoreTeam | 20:03 |
| jaosorior | well, it appears dave-mccowan has gotten the 5 votes already | 20:03 |
| redrobot | I counted 5x +1 ad no -1s | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | thanks all for the nomination and votes! i'm happy to serve. :-) | 20:03 |
| elmiko | nice, early congrats dave-mccowan ;) | 20:04 |
| redrobot | so unless someone is opposed, I'll add dave-mccowan to the core team after the meeting | 20:04 |
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| diazjf | congrats :-D | 20:04 |
| hockeynut | + oo | 20:04 |
| rellerreller | woot! | 20:04 |
| jaosorior | yay :D | 20:04 |
| * redrobot does not expect anyone to oppose | 20:04 | |
| alee | redrobot, lets get him +2 ability asap please :) | 20:04 |
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| silos1 | congrats!! | 20:05 |
| redrobot | alee should be good to go as soon as I add him tot he Gerrit group | 20:05 |
| jaosorior | Congrats dave-mccowan! You really earned it :D | 20:05 |
| edtubill | congrats :) | 20:05 |
| arunkant | congrats dave-mccowan | 20:05 |
| hockeynut | drinks are on dave-mccowan ~ | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | agreed hockeynut | 20:05 |
| kfarr | Hooray! Congrats! \o/ | 20:05 |
| * redrobot expects sake in Tokyo | 20:05 | |
| elmiko | redrobot++ | 20:06 |
| alee | I like that ++ | 20:06 |
| dave-mccowan | sake in tokyo it is. +W | 20:06 |
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| elmiko | hehe, nice | 20:06 |
| dave-mccowan | thanks all | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #agreed dave-mccowan will buy a round of sake in Tokyo | 20:07 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #topic Federated Barbican Update | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | silos1 this is your topic, yes? | 20:07 |
| silos1 | yes | 20:07 |
| silos1 | As always the wiki is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Barbican/Discussion-Federated-Barbican#Related_Articles | 20:07 |
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| silos1 | I've reached out to Mercador to get their input on Federated barbican and we are tyring to set something up later this week. | 20:08 |
| silos1 | redrobot: I was also interested in hearing how your meeting went with respect to Federated Barbican. | 20:08 |
| redrobot | silos1 I had a meeting with Joe Savak last week. He's one of the architects for Identity here at the rack | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | we mainly talked about how federation might work at a high level | 20:09 |
| silos1 | redrobot: ah ok. | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | There's two workflows we talked about | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | The first one was for establishing a trust between the public barbican and the private one | 20:10 |
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| redrobot | this is where the owner of the private barbican configures the public barbican to make them aware of each other. | 20:10 |
| redrobot | the second workflow was for actually using keys from the private barbican inside the public cloud | 20:11 |
| redrobot | silos1 I'm not sure I fully undestand the second diagram in the wiki | 20:12 |
| silos1 | redrobot: that sounds awesome. The wiki for Federated barbican broken down to two main issues and it seems like we agree on the same issues. | 20:12 |
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| redrobot | silos1 yeah, I think we're starting to get a good idea of the scope of the problem | 20:13 |
| redrobot | Joe's recommendation was to investigate to see if there are any existing protocols for key federation | 20:13 |
| silos1 | redrobot: That diagram is meant to represent the entire flow for retrieving the a key/secret from the private barbican | 20:13 |
| redrobot | I have to turn Joe's whiteboard drawings into sequence diagrams and then we can discuss them | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | #action redrobot to make diagrams of federation workflows discussed with Joe | 20:14 |
| diazjf | redrobot, that would be awesome, I would like to see that | 20:14 |
| silos1 | redrobot: sounds good. Were you still interestd in doing a fishbowl at Tokyo for Federated Barbican? | 20:14 |
| redrobot | yes | 20:15 |
| redrobot | we can talk about the summit next | 20:15 |
| redrobot | silos1 anything else we should mention on this topic? | 20:15 |
| silos1 | redrobot: nope. thanks. | 20:16 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:16 |
| redrobot | #topic Tokyo Summit | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | so we ended up with 2 fishbowls, 8 design sessions and 1 meetup for the Tokyo | 20:16 |
| redrobot | I'm thinking one fishbowl should be used for Federation | 20:16 |
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| alee | whats a meetup? | 20:17 |
| redrobot | silos1 diazjf will either of you be attending? | 20:17 |
| redrobot | alee it's the 1/2 day block during the last day, like we had in Vancouver | 20:17 |
| silos1 | diazjf will. I've kept him up to date on most of the Federation stuff. | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | cool, hopefully by then we've all agreed on good workflow diagrams and we can talk about them during the fishbowl | 20:18 |
| silos1 | awesome! | 20:18 |
| redrobot | also I'd like to hear use cases from attendees | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | I was thinking the 2nd fishbowl we can use to talk about adding the option to turn off CAS features, and the eventual v2. | 20:19 |
| redrobot | s/CAS/CMS/ | 20:19 |
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| alee | sounds ok to me | 20:20 |
| redrobot | I don't have a plan for Design Sessions yet | 20:21 |
| rellerreller | How much focus on CMS and how much on v2? | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller I don't want to dive too deep into v2. I think fishbowls are great to get wide community feedback, but I don't want everyone bikeshedding the api there. | 20:22 |
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| alee | redrobot, I'm not sure theres a whole lot to discuss about an option to turn off CMS in a fishbowl .. | 20:23 |
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| rellerreller | With the v2 stuff what is there to discuss? | 20:23 |
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| redrobot | not much currently... I was thinking we would talk about the roadmap for the next 1-2 cycles | 20:24 |
| alee | seems like a design session topic to me .. we decided to provide it and now just a matter of figuring out how to do it | 20:24 |
| rellerreller | I'm trying to figure out how much I want to attend a session on CMS. | 20:24 |
| redrobot | ah | 20:24 |
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| rellerreller | A session on v2 and discussing what should and should not be in it interests me. | 20:24 |
| rellerreller | A discussion on the API for CMS is interesting but not as much. | 20:24 |
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| dave-mccowan | Would cross project integration be a more interesting fishbowl? updates on those in progress (swift, nova/cinder, neutron) and requirements from some new ones (magnum). | 20:25 |
| hockeynut | dave-mccowan I like that idea | 20:25 |
| woodster_ | alee, I could see other teams wishing to integrate with barbican weighing in, not sure though. Related to the CMS use cases with barbican other projects have mentioned | 20:25 |
| woodster_ | dave-mccowan: +1 | 20:26 |
| alee | woodster_, weighing in to what? | 20:26 |
| alee | woodster_, whether to provide option to turn off cms? or on v2 api? | 20:26 |
| woodster_ | alee, well, the short and long term roadmap for CMS and v2 | 20:27 |
| alee | I like the idea of project integration - and also of roadmap | 20:27 |
| alee | both are very good fishbowl topics | 20:27 |
| alee | are those better fishbowl topics than fedreated barbican? | 20:28 |
| rellerreller | I feel like federated barbican is a great topic that would spur a lot of discussion. | 20:29 |
| dave-mccowan | is federated barbican different from federated keystone? | 20:29 |
| rellerreller | Whereas integration with Barbican might turn out to be more of a how to as opposed to a discussion. | 20:29 |
| alee | (I'm not proposing we not have a session on federated barbican - just wondering if this is something thats a fishbowl or design session) | 20:29 |
| rellerreller | ah | 20:30 |
| redrobot | I would think that Federation should be a fishbowl... I'm interested in use cases outside of our team | 20:30 |
| silos1 | dave-mccowan: I would think so. Federated keystone can be used for federated barican but there is more that is needed besides that. | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | dave-mccowan similar ideas, but they would be different in implementation | 20:30 |
| redrobot | silos1 dave-mccowan the long explanation: currently Keystone allows users external to itself to authenticate and access public cloud resources. You could, for example, use federated keystone to grant access to barbican secrets to a user that is defined in some private cloud user management system. | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | silos1 dave-mccowan federation as a feature of barbican would expand that to allow any keystone user (real or federated) to use secrets stored in a private instance of barbican to decrypt public resources. | 20:33 |
| alee | redrobot, silos1 , rellerreller I agree that fed barbican is interesting and something on which we want to get feedback. On the other hand - integrating with barbican and road map haslots of things that are interesting to the other projjects | 20:33 |
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| alee | and there are lots of things to talk about there .. | 20:33 |
| rellerreller | such as? | 20:33 |
| alee | whats the raodmap / migration strategy to v2? whats the role of castellan? | 20:33 |
| woodster_ | alee: isn't castellan's role settled now? | 20:34 |
| alee | what have people done to integrate and waht other ways are people using to integrate? | 20:34 |
| alee | but I'll defer to what you guys decide .. | 20:35 |
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| rellerreller | I feel like we have done that already. Joel gave a talk last time on how to integrate with barbican and castellan. | 20:36 |
| redrobot | alee sounds a lot like the talk we gave last summit :) | 20:36 |
| elmiko | i have a sahara patch up that uses castellan, trying to get an ffe for it now | 20:36 |
| rellerreller | I still think a good topic to discuss but maybe not worth taking the spot of fishbowl or design session. | 20:36 |
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| elmiko | i'd be willing to share my experiences, time willing | 20:37 |
| rellerreller | But I'm up for whatever. | 20:37 |
| rellerreller | I do love a good conversation on castellan and content types | 20:37 |
| redrobot | lol | 20:37 |
| diazjf | elmiko, that would be very helpful | 20:37 |
| alee | yeah - fair enough - maybe the second fishbowl is roadmap and integration together | 20:38 |
| rellerreller | I would be good with that | 20:38 |
| kfarr | Ahh I wish I could be there for the Castellan discussion! | 20:38 |
| alee | I just think that might be too much for one session , but we may be able to keep roadmap at high enough level | 20:38 |
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| redrobot | alee we can call it "Barbican: state of the union" and cover both... | 20:39 |
| elmiko | +1 | 20:39 |
| alee | sure - as long as we're more specific in the description | 20:40 |
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| redrobot | ok, sounds like we're in agreement then. One fishbowl for Federation, and the other for Integration Status and Roadmap | 20:40 |
| dave-mccowan | Integration Status and Requirements... let's make sure it sounds like an invitation to new (to us) projects that want a key manager | 20:41 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan sounds good | 20:42 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:44 |
| redrobot | #topic Open Discussion | 20:44 |
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| alee | any magnum foks here? | 20:44 |
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| alee | redrobot, just wanted to give an update on subcas | 20:45 |
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| alee | redrobot, looks like we have almost all the required functionality in there -- just a few outstanding issues | 20:45 |
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| redrobot | alee awesome! | 20:46 |
| alee | redrobot, so someone needs to tell the magnum guys that | 20:46 |
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| dave-mccowan | i'll try to summon one. | 20:46 |
| alee | and maybe we should think about doing some kind of build? | 20:46 |
| dave-mccowan | Along those lines, what's next for the Liberty release schedule? Do we need to bug scrub or blueprint scrub? | 20:47 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 20:47 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan release candidates are due in a couple of weeks. | 20:48 |
| alee | redrobot, do we have a list of what should be in ? | 20:48 |
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| redrobot | alee the only FFE is the CAs feature you're working on | 20:49 |
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| redrobot | it would be good to do some bug squashing though! | 20:49 |
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| alee | redrobot, ok - I'll put together a list over the next day or so of things that need to be completed | 20:49 |
| alee | dave-mccowan has already voluntered to do at least one of them | 20:50 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: any idea why barbican is not listed in kilo release notes ..https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Kilo ? | 20:50 |
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| dave-mccowan | there's a bunch of open bugs that are still in undecided/new state. | 20:52 |
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| redrobot | arunkant no idea... I can't remember if we were incubated at the time... if so they may not have included us because of that. | 20:52 |
| arunkant | redrobot: I was asked this question earlier and did not have answer other than that its not a integrated project? | 20:52 |
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| redrobot | arunkant I can ask the release managers | 20:53 |
| arunkant | redrobot: Okay..so is it going to be included in liberty release notes ? | 20:53 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to ask release managers about Barbican in Kilo release notes | 20:54 |
| arunkant | redrobot: okay. thanks | 20:54 |
| redrobot | arunkant should be. We've been included in all the milestone announcements. | 20:54 |
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| dave-mccowan | Is the PUT container feature desired for Liberty? Chelsea was working on it last and it was close. | 20:55 |
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| redrobot | not sure if it's needed or not? | 20:56 |
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| redrobot | Chelsea's last day at Rackspace was last Friday, so I don't think she'll be doing much work on Barbican going forward | 20:56 |
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| lisaclark1 | dave-mccowan: it's an outstanding feature that would be nice to get landed, but not something critical on our end | 20:57 |
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| lisaclark1 | dave-mccowan: is it something that will take longer to dust off and revive if we hold off too long on picking it back up? | 20:58 |
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| dave-mccowan | if it's not required, it's better to defer. but, i think it's about one patch set away from being complete. target it for Mitaka-1, if a new contributor wants to volunteer? | 20:59 |
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| redrobot | dave-mccowan yeah, sounds like we can punt to mitaka | 21:00 |
| redrobot | ok, we're out of time here | 21:00 |
| redrobot | thanks everyone! | 21:00 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 14 21:00:14 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-09-14-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-09-14-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-09-14-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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