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| n0ano | #startmeeting nova-scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 12 14:00:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| n0ano | anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 14:00 |
| PaulMurray | o/ | 14:00 |
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| edleafe | o/ | 14:01 |
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| n0ano | people are a little slow to join today | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | I wasn't sure if this was canceled or not | 14:02 |
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| n0ano | edleafe, I believe we said yes this week, not next (next week being too close to the summit), this is our last chance | 14:03 |
| n0ano | bauzas, should be joining soon, he's on the nova channel | 14:03 |
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| bauzas | \o | 14:04 |
| n0ano | welcome all | 14:04 |
| n0ano | #topic Mitaka planning | 14:04 |
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| n0ano | I guess the only thing for today is to talk about the summit session, bauzas has proposed one on APIs and I've done two, one on flavor and a kind of umbrella one on the scheduler in general | 14:05 |
| n0ano | have we all looked at the summit proposals? | 14:05 |
| bauzas | n0ano: so the outcome is that johnthetubaguy and the other nova-drivers held a discussion | 14:05 |
| n0ano | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MZVwxv8t6sM15Kct5i7yOS-8-NCvqsW742s5Y_LDyjg/edit#gid=816860825 | 14:06 |
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| bauzas | the outcome is there | 14:06 |
| bauzas | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-summit-suggestions | 14:06 |
| bauzas | (at the bottom, scroll down) | 14:06 |
| bauzas | that's still draft atm | 14:06 |
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| bauzas | you'll see there is one slot pending some feedback from jaypipes | 14:07 |
| n0ano | so is the one on Wed. 11:15 your suggestion? | 14:07 |
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| bauzas | not exactly | 14:07 |
| bauzas | the API discussion is pretty large | 14:08 |
| bauzas | I mean, it's not really worth a 40-min slot | 14:08 |
| n0ano | yeah, what I was thinking, not near enough time | 14:08 |
| bauzas | but we should somehow discuss that somewhere | 14:08 |
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| bauzas | that's pretty close to the Resource modeling session | 14:09 |
| bauzas | which should discuss about how we model our resources | 14:09 |
| bauzas | anyway | 14:09 |
| bauzas | I don't want to overthink about that | 14:09 |
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| edleafe | is the API slot just scheduler API, or all Nova API? | 14:09 |
| bauzas | Nova API | 14:09 |
| edleafe | ah, ok | 14:09 |
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| bauzas | Resouce Providers and Resource Modeling are for the moment the sched slots we have | 14:10 |
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| bauzas | plus one extra on 12:05 that needs to be confirmed | 14:10 |
| n0ano | I really hope we can confirm the 12:05 one, I really want to have a scheduler session with everyone there | 14:11 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: the resource modeling is tighly integrated with scheduling, y'know :) | 14:11 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: but agreed, there is at least one thing I'd like to discuss | 14:12 |
| n0ano | bauzas, agreed, but that's not the only thing | 14:12 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191914/ | 14:12 |
| bauzas | is the thing I'd like to address | 14:12 |
| bauzas | n0ano: we can leave some sched bits to Friday, if you feel | 14:12 |
| bauzas | n0ano: speaking of the priorities for Mitaka | 14:13 |
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| n0ano | well, there's also the firestorm that edleafe has created with his new sched desing, I think we should make time for that also | 14:14 |
| edleafe | after the midcycle, I don't think that they will want to spend time on that | 14:15 |
| bauzas | n0ano: well, you probably wonder why I haven't replied | 14:15 |
| bauzas | and my answer is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191914/ | 14:15 |
| n0ano | I don't know, given the email activity this seems to me to be something perfect for a face to face meeting | 14:15 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, might want to point that out on the mailing list | 14:16 |
| bauzas | well, it's not secrete | 14:16 |
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| bauzas | dammit | 14:16 |
| * bauzas needs coffee | 14:16 | |
| n0ano | bauzas, at mid-afternoon you need coffee :-) | 14:17 |
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| bauzas | yup, 4.15pm here | 14:17 |
| edleafe | n0ano: I have an IV of coffee set up at my desk :) | 14:17 |
| edleafe | mainlining it | 14:17 |
| bauzas | \o/ | 14:17 |
| bauzas | 4th in a row | 14:18 |
| bauzas | anyway | 14:18 |
| bauzas | I guess we pretty have good slots | 14:18 |
| bauzas | like I said, 2 sessions dedicated on resource tracking | 14:18 |
| edleafe | Yeah, those will be important | 14:18 |
| n0ano | yeah, it's looking good to me, I think we're in OK shape | 14:18 |
| bauzas | the 3rd one could be indeed focused on scalability | 14:19 |
| bauzas | given we have ideas but not yet a consensus | 14:19 |
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| bauzas | moving on ? | 14:20 |
| n0ano | bauzas, wfm | 14:20 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 14:20 |
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| n0ano | anything else? | 14:20 |
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| n0ano | hearing crickets | 14:21 |
| bauzas | I need to redraw a few bits for the reqspec | 14:21 |
| bauzas | that's something on-going in my TODO list | 14:21 |
| bauzas | we also had the Lib specs proposed again for Mitaka | 14:21 |
| bauzas | at least both of mine | 14:22 |
| n0ano | bauzas, does proposed mean approved? | 14:22 |
| bauzas | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/mitaka/approved/check-destination-on-migrations.html http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/mitaka/approved/request-spec-object-mitaka.html and http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/mitaka/approved/persist-request-spec.html | 14:22 |
| bauzas | n0ano: sorry yes | 14:23 |
| bauzas | FWIW there is also http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/mitaka/approved/host-state-level-locking.html | 14:23 |
| n0ano | so sounds like we're good ther | 14:23 |
| bauzas | tbc, what we agreed to continue to work on is approved | 14:23 |
| bauzas | no need to get further approvals | 14:23 |
| bauzas | the resource-objects BP is not yet reproposed tho | 14:24 |
| edleafe | bauzas: is that jaypipes' BP? | 14:24 |
| bauzas | I'm not worried about getting it fast-approved again, but I feel jaypipes is probably waiting the sched/RT sessions | 14:24 |
| bauzas | edleafe: yup | 14:25 |
| n0ano | sounds like we need another etherpad dashboard | 14:25 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: there is already one | 14:25 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: but given the prios are not yet identified, it's a bit premature to use it | 14:25 |
| n0ano | I'm guessing the scheduler items will still be a priority so I don't see a problem with that | 14:26 |
| bauzas | n0ano: it's all about respecting the process :) | 14:27 |
| bauzas | anyway | 14:27 |
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| n0ano | indeed - anything else? | 14:28 |
| edleafe | ll | 14:28 |
| edleafe | doh! | 14:28 |
| edleafe | 6 windows at once... | 14:28 |
| * n0ano waiting for coherence from edleafe :-) | 14:28 | |
| edleafe | you'll be waiting for a looooonnnngggg time! | 14:28 |
| n0ano | and I have 12 IRC windows open :-) | 14:29 |
| bauzas | we can be eventually consistent if all of us move to other tasks while someone is issuing #endmeeting | 14:29 |
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| edleafe | n0ano: I have at least that many, but irssi hides all but the active | 14:29 |
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| n0ano | anyway, I think we're done | 14:30 |
| bauzas | that said, before leaving | 14:30 |
| edleafe | a half-dozen ssh sessions doesn't help | 14:30 |
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| bauzas | no sched meeting next week for me | 14:30 |
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| edleafe | or any of us, right? | 14:30 |
| bauzas | and I guess for all of us, right? | 14:30 |
| bauzas | n0ano: you okay with notifying the ML ? | 14:30 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, good point, no meeting next week, save it for Tokyo | 14:30 |
| edleafe | bauzas: are you going early with your family? | 14:30 |
| bauzas | edleafe: indeed | 14:30 |
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| * edleafe is jealous | 14:30 | |
| n0ano | bauzas, sure, I send out a notice like always the night before | 14:30 |
| bauzas | n0ano: coolness | 14:31 |
| edleafe | we were all supposed to go, but daughter has important school events | 14:31 |
| bauzas | arf | 14:31 |
| n0ano | tnx everyone, see you soon | 14:31 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 14:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 12 14:31:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-10-12-14.00.html | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-10-12-14.00.txt | 14:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-10-12-14.00.log.html | 14:31 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: that's public holidays for my older so... | 14:31 |
| edleafe | bauzas: lucky | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: bauzas: edleafe: sorry, just noticed my call out | 14:31 |
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| bauzas | we're leaving on Monday to spend a few days before | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | can I help with questions around the summit schedule | 14:31 |
| edleafe | she's a junior in HS, and all the important college testing is going on then | 14:31 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: not really | 14:31 |
| bauzas | edleafe: ha indeed | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds like you have a use for that extra slot? | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | the scheduler effort one | 14:32 |
| bauzas | edleafe: mine is far younger ( 5yo) | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | given the resource stuff is taking up two slots | 14:32 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I left a comment in the etherpad | 14:32 |
| bauzas | given some discussions we had just now | 14:32 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: feel free to wait for jaypipes tho | 14:32 |
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| dims__ | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| dims__ | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, harlowja, haypo, | 16:00 |
| dims__ | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 12 16:00:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dims__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| dims__ | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| rpodolyaka1 | o/ | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| redrobot | o/ | 16:00 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | sup | 16:00 |
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| kragniz | o/ | 16:00 |
| amrith | ./ | 16:00 |
| kzaitsev_mb | 0/ | 16:00 |
| * bknudson on fleek. | 16:00 | |
| toabctl | hi | 16:00 |
| amrith | hello! | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| haypo | \o/ | 16:00 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 16:00 |
| * haypo has two arms | 16:00 | |
| dims__ | :) | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:01 |
| dims__ | welcome everyone, let's get rolling | 16:01 |
| dims__ | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:01 | |
| johnsom | Nothing to report | 16:01 |
| amrith | I have a question in that area. | 16:01 |
| jd__ | o/ | 16:01 |
| amrith | I saw an email about moving mask_password() from utils back to o-o. | 16:02 |
| sileht | o/ | 16:02 |
| bknudson | keystone unit tests are failing locally due to requests!=2.8.0... still looking into it | 16:02 |
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| amrith | could someone tell me what that's all about (or maybe for the purposes of this meeting whether that email subject line was misleading). | 16:02 |
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| bknudson | also, need a requirements bump for oslo.cache | 16:02 |
| dims__ | amrith: not going to happen | 16:02 |
| amrith | trove uses the method so I wanted to know about it. thanks dims__ | 16:02 |
| amrith | nothing else from me. | 16:02 |
| bknudson | not sure if the requests!=2.8.0 is going to affect the gate but it's not working locally | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Nothing from Cinder. | 16:03 |
| dims__ | amrith: there was a concern about backports and a suggestion o-o may be easier | 16:03 |
| dims__ | thanks jungleboyj | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: the oslo.cache requirements update is approved | 16:03 |
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| dims__ | bknudson: please file a bump if not already done | 16:03 |
| dims__ | jungleboyj: thanks! | 16:04 |
| amrith | dims__, thanks. I'm not sure I follow that rationale but I guess we don't have to hold up this meeting for that (the list of things I don't understand is very long). | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | dims__: You are welcome twice. | 16:04 |
| bknudson | hmm, now keystone unit tests are failing with requests.exceptions.InvalidSchema ... odd. I'll keep looking. | 16:04 |
| dims__ | amrith: let's do it in the open discussion | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | bknudson: flaper87 knows about the requests issue, you might coordinate with him | 16:04 |
| dims__ | bknudson: there's long email threads, most recently with updates from zigo | 16:04 |
| bknudson | oh, I haven't caught up on the ml. | 16:05 |
| dims__ | switching topics | 16:05 |
| dims__ | bknudson: short story requests uses a vendorized version of urllib3 which may or may not be an actual urllib3 release causing issues | 16:05 |
| dims__ | #topic Releases for Mitaka | 16:06 |
| dims__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233326/ | 16:06 |
| dims__ | Releases pushed out today after verifying tests this morning https://travis-ci.org/dims/ | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases for Mitaka (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:06 | |
| dims__ | so, who ever is interested in bumps in versions, please file openstack/requirements reviews | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | woah, lots of releases, nice | 16:06 |
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| dhellmann | dims__: if those releases are done we should merge the patch | 16:06 |
| dims__ | harlowja_at_home: y, ran travis based tests a few times since fri | 16:07 |
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| dims__ | dhellmann: yes, about to | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | dims__: ++ | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims__, cools | 16:07 |
| dims__ | should be a ton of emails on openstack-announce :) | 16:08 |
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| dims__ | we caught a bunch of issues last week with updates to neutron, heat, cinder, nova etc for testresources/testscenarios | 16:08 |
| dims__ | so oslo.db is at 3.0.0 | 16:09 |
| dims__ | there was issues between nova and o.vo which was addressed already as well | 16:09 |
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| haypo | note: oslo.report 0.6 changes the signal from SIGUSR1 to SIGUSR2 by default | 16:10 |
| dims__ | and a neutron issue as it was using implementation details in oslo.messaging i believe | 16:10 |
| haypo | oslo.reports* | 16:10 |
| dims__ | sorry oslo.policy | 16:10 |
| dims__ | haypo: thanks for the highlight | 16:10 |
| haypo | i know that dhellmann was not a big fan of this change :-D | 16:11 |
| dims__ | so let's keep a look out on zuul today and please let me know if you see breaks | 16:11 |
| dims__ | haypo: i still have a TODO to fix the update constraints stuff to let us use oslo.db[xyz] in requirements files | 16:11 |
| dims__ | k switching topics | 16:12 |
| haypo | dims__: ah, lifeless change on requirements was merged? | 16:12 |
| dims__ | haypo: which one? | 16:12 |
| haypo | dims__: to export dependencies in oslo.db | 16:12 |
| bknudson | signals don't provide enough info... we've got a network use it. | 16:12 |
| haypo | i don't know how this stuff is called, something like oslo.db[mysql] to require PyMySQL | 16:13 |
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| dims__ | haypo: i believe so | 16:13 |
| haypo | oh ok | 16:13 |
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| dims__ | haypo: it works in oslo.db itself. other projects can't use that syntax for now (see my TODO remark) | 16:13 |
| haypo | ok | 16:13 |
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| dims__ | bknudson: "signals"? | 16:14 |
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| bknudson | SIGUSR1, SIGUSR2 etc. | 16:14 |
| bknudson | it's an outdated concept | 16:14 |
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| dims__ | right | 16:15 |
| haypo | bknudson: oslo.reports is only needed when a process is dying or stuck | 16:15 |
| haypo | bknudson: so for example when it doesn't communicate to the network anymore :) | 16:15 |
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| bknudson | but luckily it responds to signals? | 16:15 |
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| dims__ | bknudson: yes, it does | 16:16 |
| haypo | bknudson: that's the bet of oslo.reports | 16:16 |
| dims__ | switching topics | 16:16 |
| dims__ | #topic openstack spec reviews - oslo-incubator changes to add wrapper classes for request-id | 16:16 |
| dims__ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo-incubator/+spec/wrapper-classes-to-return-request-id | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "openstack spec reviews - oslo-incubator changes to add wrapper classes for request-id (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:16 | |
| abhishekk | hi | 16:16 |
| dims__ | question: do we let things in till tokyo? into oslo-incubator? | 16:17 |
| dims__ | question: do we need a library for things abhishekk needs? | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | 'These new classes will be added in common package of oslo-incubator (apiclient/base.py).' :( | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | oh noes, lol | 16:17 |
| bknudson | as long as oslo-incubator is switched to being obviously private (_ prefix) I'm ok with it. | 16:17 |
| dims__ | i had asked abhishekk to check what they will do in projects that don't use the apiclient/* stuff | 16:17 |
| bknudson | it's going to create a lot of work if we can't have a stable interface. | 16:18 |
| abhishekk | i am checking on it | 16:18 |
| bknudson | although, stable interfaces create a lot of work, too | 16:18 |
| dims__ | dhellmann: thoughts? as this came from cross-project spec / TC | 16:18 |
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| dims__ | abhishekk: will approve that spec once the meeting is over. my feeling is that we can let the changes in for now. we'll have to deal with _ prefix etc anyway whether we have this change or not | 16:21 |
| * harlowja_at_home thinks doug is somewhere else, ha | 16:21 | |
| abhishekk | thank you dims__ | 16:21 |
| haypo | i would prefer to stop modifying oslo-incubator | 16:21 |
| haypo | and instead start to work on a real library | 16:21 |
| haypo | this spec looks like a good motivation to create it | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | +1 | 16:22 |
| dims__ | abhishekk: what do you think? | 16:22 |
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| haypo | would it be possible to make baby step, like starting with a subset of the apiclient API? | 16:22 |
| bknudson | is that library openstack-sdk? | 16:22 |
| abhishekk | dims__: i am not aware about making new liabrary | 16:23 |
| haypo | bknudson: what? | 16:23 |
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| haypo | bknudson: i proposed to create a new library, ex: oslo.apiclient | 16:23 |
| dims__ | abhishekk: would you be able to help with pulling out code you need into a library? | 16:23 |
| bknudson | there's a group working on an openstack sdk library to replace the python-*client | 16:23 |
| abhishekk | dims__: I will check it out | 16:24 |
| haypo | bknudson: i'm not talking about the openstack sdk thing, it's unrelated IMHO | 16:24 |
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| dims__ | abhishekk: check this out - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo/CreatingANewLibrary | 16:24 |
| haypo | abhishekk: i can try to help you to do that | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | me too | 16:24 |
| abhishekk | bknudson: for openstacksdk I have filed anothr blueprint | 16:24 |
| dims__ | haypo: we've previously told people that they should just switch to something else, probably in openstack-sdk | 16:25 |
| abhishekk | dims__, hypo, joshua thank you | 16:25 |
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| harlowja_at_home | np | 16:25 |
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| dims__ | nice segue to the next topic | 16:25 |
| abhishekk | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-openstacksdk/+spec/return-request-id-to-caller | 16:25 |
| dims__ | #topic summit request for sessions | 16:25 |
| dims__ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-oslo-summit-planning | 16:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "summit request for sessions (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:25 | |
| bknudson | if the funcationality is in openstacksdk, we can use it in python-keystoneclient | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | oh man, tokyo here we come | 16:25 |
| dims__ | abhishekk: please add oslo.apiclient to the mitaka etherpad for consideration | 16:25 |
| abhishekk | dims__: sure | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | do we know who is all going to tokyo btw? | 16:26 |
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| harlowja_at_home | or maybe better question, who isn't going to tokyo | 16:26 |
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| haypo | dims__: oh ok (for openstack-sdk) | 16:26 |
| dims__ | i'll need help later today to finalize the list of topics, anyone free later today? | 16:27 |
| kgiusti | o/ - no travel budget :( | 16:27 |
| dims__ | kgiusti: ouch :( | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims__, sure let me know, we can make up some creative session names, hahaha | 16:27 |
| dims__ | harlowja_at_home: ack thanks! | 16:27 |
| dims__ | #topic Open discussion | 16:28 |
| dims__ | Any stuck reviews? or specs? | 16:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:28 | |
| dims__ | kgiusti: proton still holding up against devstack+tempest? | 16:28 |
| kgiusti | not exactly stuck, but very embarrassing: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233094/ | 16:28 |
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| dims__ | haha :) +2 | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | since i thought it was cool | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | http://tempsend.com/E38B61A9FA/6D80/oslo.svg | 16:29 |
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| harlowja_at_home | print that out and put on your wall folks | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:29 |
| dims__ | harlowja_at_home: nice :) | 16:29 |
| bknudson | looks like a big bang | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:29 |
| bknudson | or traces from the supercollider | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:29 |
| haypo | kgiusti: i didn't understand https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233094/ but i see gate-tempest-dsvm-full-zmq FAILURE | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | the oslobigbang, ha | 16:29 |
| haypo | kgiusti: why do you expect the gate to fail? | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232729/ | 16:30 |
| ozamiatin | haypo: it was failing before | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | http://tempsend.com/44D56E1EE3/A632/infra.svg is a bigger bang, lol | 16:30 |
| ozamiatin | haypo: it is non-voting for that reason | 16:30 |
| kgiusti | haypo: I don't expect it to fail - that change only affects tox on amqp1 | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | harlowja_at_home: Oh my ... So many oslo things. | 16:30 |
| haypo | hum wait, the patch is for AMQP but the failing gate is ZMP | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:30 |
| haypo | it's unrelated, right? | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | (http://tempsend.com/1F392B692C/1FFD/os.svg ) every project | 16:31 |
| kgiusti | haypo: dumps protocol trace msgs over "the wire" | 16:31 |
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| haypo | kgiusti: anyway, i trust you, it's now approved := | 16:31 |
| haypo | :) | 16:31 |
| kgiusti | haypo: I had expected it to fail gate - it was consistently failing before | 16:31 |
| ozamiatin | haypo: yeah | 16:31 |
| kgiusti | haypo: thanks1 | 16:31 |
| kgiusti | haypo: hmmm - you trust me, eh? | 16:31 |
| haypo | kgiusti: i was confused by "the gate". there are a lot of gates | 16:32 |
| haypo | kgiusti: you worked on AMQP more than me :) | 16:32 |
| kgiusti | haypo: I've got a deal on some land in florida.... | 16:32 |
| kgiusti | haypo: :) | 16:32 |
| haypo | kgiusti: i only trust you for AMQP things :) | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | jungleboyj, http://tempsend.com/44D56E1EE3/A632/infra.svg is much bigger bang, lol | 16:32 |
| haypo | if you are bored, another pending review for python3 : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233093/ | 16:32 |
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| haypo | dims__: again, i'm not sure that an oslo session is required for python3, i still it in the etherpad | 16:33 |
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| harlowja_at_home | is python4 out yet? | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | harlowja_at_home: Oy vey! | 16:34 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: lol | 16:34 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: almost | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:34 |
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| amrith | dims__, I have one for open discussion | 16:34 |
| dims__ | amrith: what's up? | 16:35 |
| amrith | next steps on oslo.messaging encryption | 16:35 |
| dims__ | haypo: probably not | 16:35 |
| dims__ | amrith: did you pick an approach yet? | 16:35 |
| amrith | https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.messaging/+bug/1504525 | 16:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1504525 in oslo.messaging "oslo messaging should provide a mechansim to generate a completely encrypted channel" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Amrith (amrith) | 16:35 |
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| harlowja_at_home | haypo, i'd be interseted in hearing peoples thoughts about what to do now that python3 support is nearly everywhere, would any project actually start only using python3 (and therefore people can actually use python3 features/functionality) | 16:35 |
| amrith | dims__, I'm not sure which is better | 16:35 |
| dims__ | amrith: can you please enumerate the 2 approaches? | 16:36 |
| amrith | that would seem like something that people more experience in o.m should provide some color. | 16:36 |
| amrith | so the two approaches are these ... | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | haypo, aka, drop 2.7 completely for some project? | 16:36 |
| bknudson | python3 support is nearly everywhere? | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | nearly, lol :-/ | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | for some defintion of near | 16:37 |
| amrith | a) given that o.m already has a concept of a driver for each transport, make encryption common for all transports; i.e. implement encryption above the driver. | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:37 |
| amrith | b) provide implementations of encryption per-driver | 16:37 |
| haypo | bknudson: 6 applications works on Python 3, http://blogs.rdoproject.org/7807/python-3-status-openstack-liberty | 16:37 |
| dims__ | sileht: kgiusti: ozamiatin: thoughts please ^^^ | 16:38 |
| bknudson | haypo: the other applications are the ones everybody needs | 16:38 |
| kgiusti | current drivers support "over the wire" encryption (ssl/gssapi/etc). This would involve end-2-end encryption. | 16:39 |
| kgiusti | I think that' sbetter done above the drivers | 16:39 |
| kgiusti | the tricky part would be the key exchange - that's above my paycheck, sadly. | 16:39 |
| amrith | kgiusti, when you say current drivers support "over the wire" ... how so? | 16:39 |
| amrith | that would be a matter of how one configured the underlying transport. | 16:40 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: the next milestone is to run functional tests on python 3 | 16:40 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: without this, it's hard to trust python 3 support :-/ | 16:40 |
| bknudson | kgiusti: we had the kite project for a while for key exchange. | 16:40 |
| amrith | the best I've found, for example to enable ssl on rabbit, is to do https://www.rabbitmq.com/ssl.html | 16:40 |
| kgiusti | amrith: I think rabbitmq supports SSL encryption | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | haypo, good point | 16:40 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: the first step would be to add an option to install some apps and clients on py3 | 16:40 |
| kgiusti | amrith: proton (amqp1) support SSL and SASL-based encryption | 16:40 |
| bknudson | https://github.com/OpenStack/kite | 16:40 |
| kgiusti | amrith: but this is only on the wire to the broker. The secure tunnel ends at the broker | 16:41 |
| kgiusti | amrith: of course, both directions (from and to broker) are encrypted | 16:41 |
| bknudson | I guess it's still around: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/kite,n,z | 16:41 |
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| amrith | kgiusti, what's proton? | 16:42 |
| kgiusti | amrith: but messages on the broker are not, unless the sending endpoint has encrypted the payload. | 16:42 |
| kgiusti | amrith: sorry - that's the amqp1 driver - I really shouldn't be using the term 'broker' | 16:42 |
| kgiusti | amrith: no wait - not using 'proton' (freudian slip) | 16:42 |
| amrith | kgiusti, sounds like a discussion we can take offline (to #openstack.oslo) | 16:43 |
| kgiusti | amrith: what I really need to do is document how to setup SSL and/or SASL using amqp1 driver... | 16:43 |
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| kgiusti | amrith: +1 | 16:43 |
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| kgiusti | bknudson: +1 that's what I was trying to remember ! | 16:44 |
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| amrith | there's an oslo conf setting, if that helps ;) | 16:45 |
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| amrith | dims__, kgiusti let's take this to #openstack.oslo for later | 16:47 |
| dims__ | ok, so let's wrap up folks? | 16:47 |
| dims__ | thanks everyone | 16:47 |
| dims__ | #endmeeting | 16:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 12 16:47:38 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-10-12-16.00.html | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-10-12-16.00.txt | 16:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-10-12-16.00.log.html | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:47 |
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| amrith | thanks dims__ | 16:47 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 12 19:00:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
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| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-10-12 | 19:01 |
| pvaneck | o/ | 19:02 |
| dwalleck | o/ | 19:02 |
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| catherineD | dwalleck: pvaneck: hi | 19:02 |
| pvaneck | hello | 19:02 |
| dwalleck | howdy | 19:02 |
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| dwalleck | I'm in two meeting at once but I'm listening :) | 19:04 |
| catherineD | #topic Tokyo summit agenda. Please add topics that you think we should discuss. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-tokyo-summit | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tokyo summit agenda. Please add topics that you think we should discuss. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-tokyo-summit (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:04 | |
| catherineD | dwalleck: thx ... | 19:04 |
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| catherineD | #link Tokyo summit agenda. Please add topics that you think we should discuss. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-tokyo-summit | 19:05 |
| pvaneck | that seems like a good enough agenda | 19:05 |
| catherineD | so the RefStack session will be on Thursday ... | 19:05 |
| dwalleck | Yeah, that's quite a bit | 19:05 |
| catherineD | pls mark your schedule | 19:05 |
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| catherineD | for me the main goal for the face-to-face is to agree on data models and vendor registration process... | 19:06 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 19:07 |
| dwalleck | I noticed that Tempest has changed the way they install and run a bit. Are we planning on changing the client to adopt that? I didn't see that on the agend | 19:07 |
| catherineD | dwalleck: yes we are ... | 19:07 |
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| catherineD | we should add that to the agenda | 19:07 |
| Rockyg | should we try for a cross project meeting with qa? | 19:08 |
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| sslypushenko__ | o/ | 19:08 |
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| catherineD | Rockyg: sslypushenko__: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-10-12 | 19:08 |
| sslypushenko__ | thx | 19:09 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: for cross project meeting with qa ... we need to add our topisc to their agenda right? | 19:09 |
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| Rockyg | yes. Or try to arrange one at the summit | 19:10 |
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| catherineD | dwalleck: do you know when will sq deprecate the current method of installation and run? | 19:10 |
| catherineD | that will help us set our priority .. | 19:11 |
| dwalleck | catherineD: No, I didn't see anything about that. I don't think the new workflow would be too difficult to work in | 19:11 |
| dwalleck | I think they just marked the current workflow as deprecated | 19:12 |
| dwalleck | err, old workflow | 19:12 |
| catherineD | dwalleck: then using new QA installation should be high priorityb for the next cycle | 19:13 |
| sslypushenko__ | catherineD we can wait while it become stable and move to it | 19:14 |
| catherineD | I add the QA topic to our summit agenda ... | 19:14 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: make sense ... I just add it to our summit agenda so we do not over look it | 19:15 |
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| catherineD | everyone .. please review the summit agenda .. feel free to edit ... the priority list in there will bethe items that RefStack will execute in the next cycle .. | 19:16 |
| dwalleck | will do | 19:16 |
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| catherineD | anything esle? should we moving to our next exciting topic ... | 19:17 |
| catherineD | #topic Infra hosting | 19:17 |
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| catherineD | pvaneck: could you give an update ... | 19:17 |
| pvaneck | sure | 19:18 |
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| pvaneck | we finally have https://refstack.openstack.org up | 19:18 |
| catherineD | yay!!! | 19:18 |
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| dwalleck | woo | 19:19 |
| pvaneck | however there seems to be some issues with authentication sessions that i would like to work out before moving to it | 19:19 |
| catherineD | RefStack team should try to access it ... | 19:19 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: your test while review david's spec is on refstack.net right? | 19:20 |
| pvaneck | one way to recreate the issues with the sessions is to log in and refresh repeatedly, sometimes refstack api will return that you are not logged in | 19:20 |
| sslypushenko__ | Coool! | 19:20 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: all 3 broswers? | 19:20 |
| pvaneck | not a browser issue | 19:20 |
| Rockyg | Nope. The link you provided. | 19:20 |
| catherineD | browsers// | 19:20 |
| pvaneck | but have verified with chrome and firefox | 19:21 |
| catherineD | refstack.openstack.org Rockyg: ? | 19:21 |
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| Rockyg | Yup | 19:21 |
| catherineD | ok | 19:21 |
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| Rockyg | Yeah. I used Chrome because FF is wonky on the corporate net. All sorts of certificate issues. | 19:22 |
| catherineD | so while we are debugging the authentication issue ... Let's go ahead and work on the migration plan ... | 19:22 |
| pvaneck | i think it may have to do with our beaker sessions being stored in memory | 19:22 |
| Rockyg | Try going backward and forward between pages, too. | 19:23 |
| Rockyg | pvaneck, ^^ | 19:23 |
| pvaneck | going between pages is fine for me | 19:24 |
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| sslypushenko__ | me too | 19:24 |
| pvaneck | just upon app reload with a refresh where we check if the user is authenticated | 19:24 |
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| pvaneck | sometimes the api returns that we arent logged in | 19:24 |
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| pvaneck | beaker documentation suggests not using memory backend in production | 19:25 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: that does not happen in refstack.net? | 19:25 |
| sslypushenko__ | pvaneck You are right | 19:25 |
| pvaneck | nope, not sure what is different on the infra-vm | 19:25 |
| pvaneck | so im thinking maybe try file or database backend | 19:26 |
| sslypushenko__ | I think we should move on something like memcashe | 19:26 |
| sslypushenko__ | *memcached | 19:27 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: that would take some time to implement? | 19:27 |
| Rockyg | I'm a magnet for brokeness. Especially intermittents. If you want to schedule a session with me, infra and you to run through some scenarios while you guys analyze, I can do that. | 19:27 |
| sslypushenko__ | it supported backend for beaker | 19:27 |
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| pvaneck | memcached, I think, would require a change to puppet-refstack to get memcached installed | 19:28 |
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| pvaneck | database or file would just be a few lines addition to our beaker conf in app.py | 19:29 |
| catherineD | would ths be a must fix for us to migrate from refstack.net to refstack.openstack.org? | 19:30 |
| pvaneck | i believe so, or people might try logging in and they wil get auth failed becauses of a csrf token mismatch | 19:30 |
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| sslypushenko__ | Database is not scalable solution, i think | 19:31 |
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| sslypushenko__ | But for quick fix, it is ok | 19:32 |
| pvaneck | memcached would be good for future use, but if we want to quickly get the new site stable, i think database is easiest backend to use for now | 19:32 |
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| sslypushenko__ | If we have no time, lets use database | 19:34 |
| pvaneck | then when the site is stable, we can make the switch to memcached which might take a bit more time to get the needed changes merged | 19:34 |
| catherineD | agree | 19:34 |
| pvaneck | and i also want to see if switching from memory even resolves the issue | 19:34 |
| pvaneck | which i hope it does | 19:34 |
| catherineD | #agreed To use database for a quick fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/refstack/+bug/1504674 . Need to revisit with memcached in the future. | 19:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1504674 in refstack "Refreshing on restricted pages can sometimes redirect you home" [Undecided,New] | 19:36 |
| pvaneck | so i will submit a patch for db beaker backend. It should automaticaly be picked up the VM when merged | 19:36 |
| catherineD | great ... thx | 19:36 |
| catherineD | could everyone look at the migration plan in today's agenda | 19:37 |
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| catherineD | let's look at the next item .. | 19:37 |
| catherineD | #info refstack.net data cleanup before migration? Or should we just mirgrate everything and put a time limit to remove data? | 19:38 |
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| pvaneck | can you elaborate on time limit to remove data | 19:38 |
| catherineD | we have not migrated any data over ... do we want to clean up data before migration ? | 19:38 |
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| sslypushenko__ | Removing zero pass data looks reasonable for me | 19:39 |
| catherineD | I am thinking of 3 months .... | 19:39 |
| Rockyg | I know we have real data in there, so we should either migrate, or resubmit if we have the original files that got parsed. | 19:40 |
| pvaneck | can remove the test results with no passed tests and move over the rest | 19:40 |
| pvaneck | i think that is fine | 19:40 |
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| sslypushenko__ | +1 | 19:41 |
| sslypushenko__ | Also, maybe we can remove duplications | 19:41 |
| catherineD | there are 13 record with no test data at all... I feel like someone is using refstack in their CI test with automate upload | 19:42 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: that bring me to that topic ... | 19:42 |
| catherineD | but before we discuss that | 19:42 |
| catherineD | let me log our agreement | 19:42 |
| sslypushenko__ | I know, I have submitted some dummy test results by mistake) | 19:43 |
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| catherineD | #agreed Data should be cleaned before moving from refstack.net to refstack.openstack.org | 19:43 |
| catherineD | #agreed Clean up zero pass test data record | 19:43 |
| sslypushenko__ | I vote for removing zero data and total duplications | 19:43 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: on duplicate data ... I am still do no know the criteria for duplications ... | 19:44 |
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| sslypushenko__ | same test results + same cpid | 19:44 |
| catherineD | we talk about data are in the server side | 19:44 |
| catherineD | but take the case of pass tests ... they will have same test results ... | 19:44 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: they can test with different config | 19:45 |
| catherineD | and also once we identify the test runs ... do we keep the last run? | 19:46 |
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| sslypushenko__ | Anyway, I don't think that such results have value for owners | 19:46 |
| catherineD | so I am not really clear on the criteria we should use .. | 19:46 |
| sslypushenko__ | My suggestion is: if some test runs have the same test results + same cpid, we should keep only last one | 19:47 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko__: I agree with you there ... but I just don't know what criteria to use | 19:47 |
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| pvaneck | i thought the criteria is same cpid + test results? | 19:48 |
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| catherineD | take the case where some one is running tests with senario one 1) test with isolation on 2) isolation off ... they may have the smae cpid and test results ... | 19:49 |
| catherineD | they may want to tag those information later ... | 19:49 |
| catherineD | and we wnat that too .. | 19:50 |
| catherineD | time check ... | 19:50 |
| catherineD | we only have 10 mins | 19:50 |
| catherineD | could we discuss the duplicate data next time ... let's go the next items? | 19:50 |
| pvaneck | then don't worry about it and let the user manage it | 19:50 |
| pvaneck | sure go to next item | 19:50 |
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| catherineD | #info Disable anonymous data upload | 19:51 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 19:51 |
| catherineD | do we want to have that implement before the move? | 19:51 |
| pvaneck | that would just delay the move even more | 19:51 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: sslypushenko__: dwalleck: your thoughts? | 19:52 |
| pvaneck | puppet will pick up the changes so no need to wait | 19:52 |
| dwalleck | sorry, bouncing around. reading back for context | 19:52 |
| sslypushenko__ | I think we should disable anonymous data upload before move | 19:53 |
| dwalleck | I'd like to keep as much history as possible | 19:53 |
| Rockyg | Would be good to have it before the summit. | 19:53 |
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| dwalleck | sslypushenko__: That would be a good logical time to make that switchover | 19:53 |
| Rockyg | Also, maybe we should have a sandbox for folks to use? Then we could purge if it grows too large. | 19:53 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: that is my target to move to refstack.openstack.org before summit ... | 19:53 |
| dwalleck | Rockyg: ++. That would be a good idea. Let people still have somewhere to try things out | 19:54 |
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| sslypushenko__ | New site will be good sandbox, I think | 19:55 |
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| sslypushenko__ | If user uploads only signed data, it isolated pretty good | 19:56 |
| dwalleck | But if the new site is the official one, wouldn't we not want to treat it like a sandbox? Wouldn't that be the "real" data? | 19:56 |
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| catherineD | sslypushenko__: I think so ... but my concern is it will delay the move | 19:56 |
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| Rockyg | dwalleck, ++ | 19:57 |
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| catherineD | dwalleck: yes the official site should have more "real" data publish to community vs a lot of unsuable data now ... | 19:58 |
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| catherineD | I think we need to end this meeting soon ... could we discuss in #refstack? | 19:59 |
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| catherineD | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 12 19:59:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-10-12-19.00.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-10-12-19.00.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-10-12-19.00.log.html | 19:59 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 12 20:00:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| redrobot | As usual the meeting agenda can be found here: | 20:00 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:00 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:00 |
| hockeynut | \o/ | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:00 |
| silos | o/ | 20:00 |
| diazjf | o/ | 20:00 |
| tdink | o/ | 20:01 |
| jkf | o/ | 20:01 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:01 |
| edtubill | o/ | 20:01 |
| elmiko | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | woot! lots of barbicaneers here today | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | let's get started! | 20:01 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| hockeynut | its a murder of barbicaneers | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #topic Tokyo Summit | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tokyo Summit (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:01 | |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-m-design-sessions | 20:02 |
| redrobot | A few items here | 20:02 |
| rellerreller | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | First, I added the topics for the fishbowls to the etherpad | 20:02 |
| redrobot | unless someone really needs them to be flipped, I will go ahead and update the description on Sched to match. | 20:02 |
| redrobot | Fishbowl 1: Wednesday, 12:05pm - Barbican Roadmap and Integration Status | 20:03 |
| redrobot | Fishbowl 2: Wednesday, 2:00pm - Barbican Key Federation | 20:03 |
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| spotz | o? | 20:03 |
| redrobot | spotz I think you really are here! ;) | 20:04 |
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| spotz | hehehe | 20:04 |
| alee | o/ | 20:04 |
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| lisaclark1 | o/ | 20:05 |
| redrobot | I'm going to guess by the silence that everyone is on-board with the fishbowl topics | 20:05 |
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| rellerreller | I'm good +1 | 20:05 |
| hockeynut | good with me | 20:05 |
| spotz | +1 | 20:05 |
| dave-mccowan | +1 | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | I've also added a section to the etherpad to hopefully identify some Cross-project liaisons for the Summit | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | these would be folks who are interested in attending other project's design sessions to talk about possible Barbican integrations | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | For example hockeynut is our official QA (QE?) Cross-project liaison, so he'll probably be spending a lot of time with the QE folks | 20:07 |
| redrobot | It would be good to identify someone to attend Magnum design sessions | 20:07 |
| rellerreller | Do we have anyone familiar with Swift? | 20:07 |
| hockeynut | redrobot I tried to do 50/50 @ Vancouver, will do the same in NRT | 20:08 |
| alee | redrobot, sorry - whats the etherpad link again? | 20:08 |
| rellerreller | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-m-design-sessions | 20:08 |
| rellerreller | alee ^ | 20:08 |
| redrobot | alee https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-m-design-sessions | 20:08 |
| alee | thanks | 20:08 |
| redrobot | rellerreller jinx! | 20:08 |
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| alee | redrobot, I'll go to the magnum sessions | 20:09 |
| diazjf | rellerreller, I know some swift | 20:09 |
| redrobot | alee awesome, thanks! | 20:09 |
| rellerreller | diazjf are you attending the summit? | 20:09 |
| diazjf | rellerreller, yeah I'll be there | 20:09 |
| rellerreller | diazjf awesome! | 20:09 |
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| rellerreller | diazjf I know they have a spec out for a KeyMaster, which is almost identical to Castellan's KeyManager. | 20:10 |
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| alee | redrobot, I'll probably go talk with the Manila guys too | 20:10 |
| hockeynut | redrobot I will sneak into some Neutron as well. | 20:11 |
| diazjf | rellerreller, I have actually been working on that. jrichli on our team owns it. | 20:11 |
| rellerreller | diazjf I thought you knew them. I thought you mentioned that at the mid-cycle. | 20:11 |
| rellerreller | I would like to discuss that at some point. | 20:12 |
| diazjf | rellerreller, yup a new version is in the works involving Castellan. Yes that would be great | 20:12 |
| rellerreller | I wrote it on my white board under "Tokyo agenda" so it's official now. | 20:13 |
| diazjf | ^rellerreller, awesome | 20:13 |
| rellerreller | I may need to stop by Nova and Cinder. I'm not sure where we are with that yet. | 20:14 |
| redrobot | alee hockeynut diazjf feel free to add to the etherpad with the project's you'll also be working with. | 20:14 |
| rellerreller | I don't know if they have the latest KeyManager from Castellan yet. | 20:14 |
| hockeynut | ack | 20:15 |
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| alee | redrobot, rm_work whats the status of neutron/octavia with barbican? | 20:15 |
| redrobot | #info Please vote on the etherpad by adding a +1 to topics you're interested in | 20:15 |
| diazjf | redrobot, I'll add it under New Topics | 20:16 |
| redrobot | The plan is to do the usual etherpad-driven design discussions from the last summit/mid-cycle | 20:16 |
| redrobot | with the "big tent" our design time is a lot shorter than previous summits | 20:16 |
| redrobot | so I want to focus on stuff that's important to everyone | 20:16 |
| redrobot | #info notify redrobot if you think we need dedicated design sessions | 20:17 |
| lisaclark1 | redrobot: why did "big tent" shorten our design times? | 20:17 |
| rellerreller | Do we vote on new topics and punted ones as well? | 20:17 |
| redrobot | lisaclark1 lots more projects under the big tent now, not as much space to go around for everyone. | 20:17 |
| rellerreller | I was not sure if punted items are still under consideration. | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller that's why I think we should +1 individual topics | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller we should be able to shake out what's still important from previous design topics | 20:18 |
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| rellerreller | What's the deadline for the voting? | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | Does next Monday's meeting sound reasonable? | 20:19 |
| rellerreller | Is there a max number of votes or anything? | 20:19 |
| rellerreller | Next Monday sounds reasonable to me. | 20:19 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller nah, i don't think we need to limit the amount of votes | 20:20 |
| redrobot | just limit to one +1 per person per topic | 20:20 |
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| rellerreller | And these are votes for design session talks? | 20:21 |
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| rellerreller | There are things on here that interest me, but not necessarily enough to warrant a design session. | 20:21 |
| redrobot | rellerreller yeah... well to get an idea of priorities for design session time | 20:21 |
| rellerreller | OK, sorry for all of the questions. | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller I don't want to limit to one topic per session because we only have a handful of them. | 20:22 |
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| redrobot | but I will definitely consider full session requests | 20:22 |
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| dave-mccowan | redrobot did you notice that you're on a panel at the same time as one of our design sessions? | 20:23 |
| redrobot | last summit, for example, we had a full session dedicated to CA PLugins specifically to meet with Symantec folks that were unavailable at other times. | 20:23 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan have not noticed that... | 20:23 |
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| redrobot | dave-mccowan they're usually pretty good about not having conflicts... I may need to dust off my cloning machine :-\ | 20:24 |
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| redrobot | Any other questions/comments about the summit, or planning before the summit? | 20:25 |
| diazjf | meetups and parties^^ :) | 20:26 |
| kfarr | Are there options to attend remotely? | 20:26 |
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| hockeynut | + oo diazjf | 20:26 |
| kfarr | If one is willing to stay up for the time change, taht is | 20:27 |
| kfarr | that | 20:27 |
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| lisaclark1 | kfarr: we tried to do a remote vidyo session for some of our rackers during the vancouver summit and ran into challenges | 20:27 |
| redrobot | kfarr I'm not sure what the rooms will be like... we can definitely plan to do a google hangout if there's interest | 20:27 |
| kfarr | Ok! | 20:28 |
| silos | I'd like to be a part of that as well! | 20:28 |
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| lisaclark1 | kfarr, silos: if we get a google hangout going we can add the details on the design session etherpad | 20:29 |
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| kfarr | sounds good, thanks lisaclark1! | 20:29 |
| redrobot | kfarr silos ok, we'll plan for it... although as lisaclark1 pointed out, it wasn't an optimal way to get remote folks participating | 20:29 |
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| silos | ok. | 20:29 |
| silos | thanks! | 20:29 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:31 |
| redrobot | #topic py34 update | 20:31 |
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| redrobot | dave-mccowan would you mind updating? | 20:31 |
| dave-mccowan | as we all have noticed, there have been about 20 CRs over the last couple of months with weird byte vs. string patches | 20:31 |
| dave-mccowan | victor and pradeep have done most of them | 20:32 |
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| dave-mccowan | the last few they got in the weeds with some of our our plugin code. it's hard enough keeping base64 vs. text straight, and now bytes vs strings too. | 20:32 |
| dave-mccowan | so, i did a big patch to finish up the rest of the tests. | 20:32 |
| dave-mccowan | https://review.openstack.org/233633 | 20:32 |
| dave-mccowan | it has all the tests running, but requires oslo.serialization 1.10 which is not in global-requirements yet. | 20:33 |
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| dave-mccowan | but, please review mercilessly... especially the kmip stuff. | 20:33 |
| dave-mccowan | after this, the PY34 CRs will stop. | 20:33 |
| dave-mccowan | :-) that's all. any questions? | 20:34 |
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| dave-mccowan | i have a question... the goal per openstack now is to just get the code to be compatible.... not actually work. right? anyone know? | 20:35 |
| kfarr | Thanks dave-mccowan! Will take a look, and will look at the kmip changes in particular | 20:35 |
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| kfarr | Are they making changes that break things? | 20:35 |
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| dave-mccowan | python3 breaks All the Things | 20:36 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan hehe, I think the goal is to get the service to where deployers can run it on py3 if they choose to. | 20:36 |
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| dave-mccowan | i'd be really surprised if our functional tests worked with python3. i'm not sure if it's worth trying. i'd be curious to know if other projects have done more than unit tests. | 20:37 |
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| redrobot | dave-mccowan interesting... definitely a good challenge for someone wanting to get it running on py3 | 20:39 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:39 |
| redrobot | #topic Liberty release notes | 20:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty release notes (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:39 | |
| redrobot | arunkant ping | 20:40 |
| arunkant | redrobot: yes | 20:40 |
| redrobot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/076012.html | 20:40 |
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| redrobot | arunkant since you were asking about release notes | 20:40 |
| redrobot | there was an ask on the mailing list to get those written up on the wiki | 20:40 |
| * hockeynut has to pick son up now. <EOF> | 20:40 | |
| redrobot | I was wondering if you would want to write them arunkant ? | 20:40 |
| arunkant | redrobot: let me check the mail.thanks for looking into this. | 20:41 |
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| redrobot | Lana Brindley messaged me about them over the weekend. She said the doc team is willing to proofread, but they would like to have the wiki updated today... | 20:42 |
| redrobot | well by EOB today anyway. | 20:42 |
| * rellerreller has to leave now | 20:43 | |
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| arunkant | ok..let me check what is needed. | 20:43 |
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| redrobot | awesome, thanks arunkant | 20:43 |
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| redrobot | #action arunkant to write Liberty release notes in OpenStack wiki | 20:43 |
| arunkant | redrobot: will ping you if have questions | 20:44 |
| redrobot | arunkant I know it's not a whole lot of time, so just let me know when you can get to it. | 20:44 |
| redrobot | arunkant thanks! | 20:44 |
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| arunkant | redrobot: will look into this in next hour or so. | 20:45 |
| redrobot | #topic Naughty project list | 20:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Naughty project list (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:45 | |
| redrobot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/076559.html | 20:45 |
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| redrobot | we're on a list of projects that may break with an upcoming devstack change | 20:46 |
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| redrobot | it would be good to get things fixed up before it becomes a problem | 20:47 |
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| redrobot | I also noticed we were on another list of clients that may break, but I can't find the mail link right now | 20:47 |
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| redrobot | ... If I find it, i'll post it to our irc channel | 20:49 |
| redrobot | anyone have time/interest into fixing the devstack issue? | 20:49 |
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| redrobot | #help we need someone to fix the devstack issue mentioned in http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/076559.html | 20:51 |
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| redrobot | ok, that's all I have on the agenda for today | 20:51 |
| redrobot | got a few minutes left | 20:52 |
| redrobot | #topic Open Discussion | 20:52 |
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| silos | Is there a reason why the Orders Resource doesn't have an API page? I was going to create one unless there's a reason it didn't survive the migration from the old wiki to the new one. | 20:54 |
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| redrobot | silos I think it still needs to be moved/rewritten | 20:55 |
| silos | redrobot: gotcha. | 20:55 |
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| redrobot | silos http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/barbican/tree/doc/source/api.rst has some info on it | 20:56 |
| redrobot | silos that page is an orphan though | 20:56 |
| redrobot | silos so it's not getting built into the html site | 20:56 |
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| silos | redrobot: Ah I see. thanks for the link. I'll see what I can do. | 20:56 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot i don't think barbican is on the naughty anymore. http://goo.gl/6p8lvn | 20:57 |
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| dave-mccowan | silos certificates.rst has some info too, but a full on orders doc would be awesome. | 20:57 |
| silos | dave-mccowan: I noticed that. I'll reference certificates as an example. Some good examples in there. | 20:58 |
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| redrobot | alright y'all | 21:01 |
| redrobot | we're out of time | 21:01 |
| redrobot | thanks for coming! | 21:01 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 12 21:01:53 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-10-12-20.00.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-10-12-20.00.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-10-12-20.00.log.html | 21:01 |
| elmiko | thanks redrobot | 21:02 |
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