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| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 4 14:01:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: telcowg)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'telcowg' | 14:01 |
| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
| sgordon | #topic roll call | 14:01 |
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| sgordon | that is about what i expected | 14:03 |
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| sgordon | #info will send a summit follow up to the list instead | 14:04 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 4 14:04:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-11-04-14.01.html | 14:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-11-04-14.01.txt | 14:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-11-04-14.01.log.html | 14:05 |
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| haleyb | #startmeeting neutron_dvr | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 4 15:00:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is haleyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| obondarev_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| Swami_ | hi | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_dvr' | 15:00 |
| regXboi | moo | 15:00 |
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| fitoduarte | hi | 15:00 |
| haleyb | it's been a while since i chaired a meeting, have a cheat sheet here though | 15:00 |
| regXboi | haleyb: feel free to cochair somebody just in case? | 15:01 |
| haleyb | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| haleyb | My only announcement is: Welcome, as this is the first DVR meeting in a while | 15:02 |
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| obondarev_ | yay! | 15:02 |
| haleyb | #topic Bugs | 15:02 |
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| regXboi | somebody pass around the jug of punch | 15:02 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: hi | 15:02 |
| Swami_ | I have captured a bunch of bugs in the wiki and let us go through the bugs one by one. | 15:02 |
| Swami_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1365473/ | 15:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1365473 in neutron "Unable to create a router that's both HA and distributed" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Adolfo Duarte (adolfo-duarte) | 15:03 |
| obondarev_ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-DVR | 15:03 |
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| Swami_ | This is the DVR HA bug and the server side code is still under review. The agent side patch had gone in. | 15:03 |
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| Swami_ | We need some cores attention on this patch. Otherwise it is ready to be pushed in. | 15:04 |
| regXboi | how close is the server side patch to making it in? | 15:04 |
| regXboi | n/m messages passed in the aether | 15:04 |
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| Swami_ | fitoduarte: do you have any comments on this. | 15:04 |
| sc68cal | o/ | 15:05 |
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| fitoduarte | yeap. it has gotten some reviews these past couple of days. | 15:05 |
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| haleyb | Swami_: looks like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143169 is the open review | 15:05 |
| regXboi | haleyb: yes, that's the server side patch Swami_ was talking about | 15:05 |
| regXboi | haleyb: it needs some core eyes | 15:05 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: yes this needs to get in for the HA to work. | 15:05 |
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| fitoduarte | it keeps going into merge conflict. besides that I don't think there is anyone adding more to it. | 15:06 |
| fitoduarte | yes without you can't use dvr ha | 15:06 |
| Swami_ | fitoduarte: thanks, can you ping either carl_baldwin or haleyb today to get their attention | 15:06 |
| * carl_baldwin will look at it today. | 15:07 | |
| Swami_ | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:07 |
| haleyb | I will review it today, there are other cores listed as well that you might want to ping, like Assaf | 15:07 |
| fitoduarte | thanks (ping ping) | 15:07 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: I think assaf is on vaccation | 15:07 |
| haleyb | #action carl_baldwin and haleyb will look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143169 | 15:08 |
| Swami_ | are we done with this bug, can we move on | 15:08 |
| haleyb | yup | 15:08 |
| fitoduarte | is assaf on vacation? I have not seen him in a few days | 15:08 |
| Swami_ | The next in the list is | 15:08 |
| Swami_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229561/ | 15:08 |
| Swami_ | This patch got merged. But there is a dependent patch that is still in review | 15:09 |
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| Swami_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230079/ | 15:09 |
| regXboi | fitoduarte: I believe amuller is on vacation, yes | 15:09 |
| Swami_ | haleyb, carl_baldwin I need your attention on this above patch. | 15:10 |
| regXboi | note - we are now talking bug 1501873 | 15:10 |
| openstack | bug 1501873 in neutron "FIP Namespace add/delete race condition seen in DVR router log" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1501873 - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:10 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami_: ack | 15:11 |
| Swami_ | regXboi: Yes you are right bug 1501873 | 15:11 |
| openstack | bug 1501873 in neutron "FIP Namespace add/delete race condition seen in DVR router log" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1501873 - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:11 |
| haleyb | Swami_: ack. I had reviewed it last week but was waiting for Carl since you had addressed his comments with latest patch. summit got int he way i'm sure | 15:11 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: thanks | 15:11 |
| Swami_ | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:11 |
| Swami_ | Does anyone have anything to say about this above bug, or can we move on | 15:12 |
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| regXboi | nit: somebody should give it a priority at some point | 15:12 |
| regXboi | but other than that, let's move on | 15:12 |
| Swami_ | regXboi: got it, we will move on | 15:13 |
| Swami_ | The next in the list | 15:13 |
| Swami_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1372141/ | 15:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1372141 in neutron "StaleDataError while updating ml2_dvr_port_bindings" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:13 |
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| Swami_ | I think there was a patch for this bug. | 15:14 |
| Swami_ | Does anyone have the link handy for this patch | 15:14 |
| regXboi | can somebody update the logstash querty? the old one doesn't work | 15:15 |
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| obondarev_ | the patch was https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143761/ | 15:15 |
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| Swami_ | obondarev_: I think this is the same as pavel bonder was working on. | 15:16 |
| obondarev_ | Swami_: which one? | 15:16 |
| regXboi | that patch was abandoned and will likely need a serious merge | 15:17 |
| haleyb | Swami_: i don't see any recent patches or info, so we'll need some new info on this one | 15:17 |
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| Swami_ | haleyb: ok I will update this bug or will add a comment if it is the duplicate of the one that pavel is working on. | 15:18 |
| haleyb | I think a new logstash query would help | 15:18 |
| regXboi | so... a logstash query for StaleDataError shows 54 hits in the last 7 days | 15:18 |
| regXboi | and *none* of them are from DVR jobs | 15:18 |
| Swami_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1494351 | 15:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1494351 in neutron "Observed StaleDataError in gate-neutron-dsvm-api tests if reference IPAM driver is used" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:19 |
| regXboi | all: there is a new logstash query in the notes for the previous bug | 15:19 |
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| Swami_ | I thought that this bug above was same as the 1372141 | 15:20 |
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| regXboi | It may be/have been | 15:20 |
| Swami_ | regXboi: thanks | 15:20 |
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| Swami_ | we need to figure out if they both are the same and if so we can close one and focus on the later. | 15:21 |
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| Swami_ | ok let us move on to the next | 15:21 |
| Swami_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228026/ | 15:22 |
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| haleyb | Swami_: the IPAM change merged, we can look at it again next week and see if failure rate still there... | 15:22 |
| regXboi | (bug 1499785 and bug 1499787) | 15:22 |
| openstack | bug 1499785 in neutron "Static routes are not added to the qrouter namespace for DVR routers" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1499785 - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:22 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: ok, makes sense. | 15:22 |
| openstack | bug 1499787 in neutron "Static routes are attempted to add to SNAT Namespace of DVR routers without checking for Router Gateway." [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1499787 - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:22 |
| Swami_ | regXboi: thanks for the links | 15:22 |
| Swami_ | The patch is up for review. | 15:22 |
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| Swami_ | carl_baldwin and assaf had reviewed this patch and I have addressed the review comments. | 15:23 |
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| Swami_ | I think carl_baldwin had a question if we need to add all the routes in the snat namespace or not. | 15:24 |
| Swami_ | In my opinion, we should be only adding the external network related static routes in the snat_namespace. | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | My question was more like “why not add all the same routes to all the router namespaces”. My thinking is that the code could be less complicated. | 15:25 |
| Swami_ | carl_baldwin: I am ok with your suggestion but we should not introduce some other issues. | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami_: Does it introduce issues? | 15:28 |
| Swami_ | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1THyot5yZVLb4ouU90GrY8Mmwm_27-jI6mZF8ZljtoFU/edit#slide=id.p | 15:28 |
| Swami_ | carl_baldwin: I think this is the slide that put together to discuss the static routes. | 15:28 |
| haleyb | Swami_: i don't have permission to see that slide | 15:29 |
| fitoduarte | is there a danger | 15:29 |
| fitoduarte | to add incorrect routes to snat that way? | 15:30 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: changed the permission on the slide | 15:30 |
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| Swami_ | fitoduarte: These are next hop routes, and does not makes sense for private subnet routes to be added to the snat namespace, since the nexthop for the external network will be in the external network space. | 15:31 |
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| haleyb | Swami_: right, should the snat only have the on-link and default route ? | 15:32 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: yes that's what I thought. | 15:32 |
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| Swami_ | ok, if you have any suggestions please add your comments to the patch and let us move on. | 15:33 |
| Swami_ | The next one is | 15:33 |
| Swami_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225319/ | 15:34 |
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| Swami_ | This patch has been under review for a while and carl_baldwin had blessed this patch couple of times and when into merge conflict. | 15:34 |
| Swami_ | There was gate issue yesterday were all the lbaasv1 tests were failing. | 15:34 |
| Swami_ | once the jenkins passes this can go in. | 15:35 |
| haleyb | #action haleyb will look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225319/ | 15:35 |
| Swami_ | Ok, let us move on to the next one. | 15:35 |
| Swami_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1504726/ | 15:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1504726 in neutron "The vm can not access the vip of load balancer under DVR enviroment" [High,New] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:35 |
| Swami_ | This was the bug that was filed on lbaas and dvr with Kilo. | 15:36 |
| Swami_ | I verified on the master branch and I don't see any issue. | 15:36 |
| regXboi | well, since kilo is security only now, how about we mark it invalid and ask for a retest on liberty/master? | 15:37 |
| sc68cal | I have one from the fwaas side to toss on the pile | 15:37 |
| Swami_ | But I was trying to triage this on the Kilo branch and was not successful in getting the LBaas to work with devstack. So this is still in progress and I asked for some help from the lbaas team to run lbaas with kilo on devstack. | 15:37 |
| regXboi | whoa... why? | 15:37 |
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| Swami_ | sc68cal: you can go ahead and file a bug and we can triage it and take it next week, if it is ok for you. | 15:37 |
| sc68cal | I'll just toss in the link for now | 15:37 |
| sc68cal | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1476097 | 15:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1476097 in neutron "[fwaas]Support fwaas to control east-west traffic in dvr router" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to lee jian (leejian0612) | 15:37 |
| fitoduarte | regxboi: agree on lbaas issue bug | 15:37 |
| Swami_ | sc68cal: I had a couple of discussions with mickeys and sridhark on this bug. | 15:38 |
| regXboi | haleyb, carl_baldwin: what are your thoughts? | 15:38 |
| * carl_baldwin catches up on last few minutes... | 15:38 | |
| Swami_ | The suggestion is to wait until your v2 api targetted towards the VM ports arrive and then use those API rather than making any changes to the DVR right now. | 15:38 |
| Swami_ | sc68cal: making changes to the DVR to support the East-West will be complicated at this point. | 15:39 |
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| haleyb | Swami_: if we don't see it in master then wait for Zhou to answer your question. We should move on since we've onlyl got :20 left | 15:39 |
| Swami_ | sc68cal: I have already updated the bug with my notes. Please let me know if you need more info on it. | 15:39 |
| sc68cal | Swami_: ack. I just wanted to make sure both sides are in sync | 15:39 |
| Swami_ | ok, thanks. | 15:39 |
| Swami_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505575/ | 15:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505575 in neutron "Fatal memory consumption by neutron-server with DVR at scale" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev) | 15:40 |
| regXboi | haleyb, carl_baldwin: I still want to mark 1504726 as invalid as it is kilo | 15:40 |
| Swami_ | oleg was working on this bug. | 15:40 |
| obondarev_ | the patch for it is there | 15:40 |
| obondarev_ | armax is not happy with pagination approach though | 15:40 |
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| Swami_ | so we probably need to review it. | 15:40 |
| Swami_ | obondarev_: thanks for the info | 15:41 |
| Swami_ | obondarev_: do you have any other thoughts on this patch. | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | regXboi: I guess I don’t understand the state of support for Kilo. I have a hard time believing that we’re not fixing bugs. | 15:41 |
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| obondarev_ | however I need to verify if https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234067/ is still needed given https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214974/ | 15:41 |
| obondarev_ | I was unable to reproduce the bug on the 50 nodes scale with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214974/ applied | 15:42 |
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| obondarev_ | though I was sure it won’t help in case agent is resyncing and requests info for all its routers | 15:42 |
| obondarev_ | will try more at a higher scale | 15:43 |
| Swami_ | obondarev_: can you update us on your testing next week. | 15:43 |
| Swami_ | obondarev_: then we can decide on this patch. | 15:43 |
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| Swami_ | Ok moving on to the next one. | 15:43 |
| regXboi | carl_badlwin: security-supported is described in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch | 15:43 |
| obondarev_ | Swami_: ok | 15:43 |
| regXboi | it means it is target for security fixes by the VMT | 15:43 |
| Swami_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1496201/ | 15:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1496201 in neutron "DVR: router namespace can't be deleted if bulk delete VMs" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Kasey Alusi (kasey-alusi) | 15:44 |
| regXboi | but I read that as meaning we don't have to fix other items for it | 15:44 |
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| Swami_ | regXboi: carl_baldwin: let us check with armax and then decide the fate of that bug. | 15:44 |
| Swami_ | The above bug should be triaged for bulk delete. | 15:45 |
| * regXboi attempts to summon armax and just for S&G mestery as well :) | 15:45 | |
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| Swami_ | The last bug on today's list is | 15:45 |
| Swami_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1512199/ | 15:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1512199 in neutron "change vm fixed ips will cause unable to communicate to vm in other network " [Undecided,Invalid] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:45 |
| Swami_ | This bug I did triage it and could not reproduce in the master branch. So marked it as invalid. | 15:46 |
| haleyb | Swami_: since we are still triaging the last two bugs, and they're kilo, let's move on since i want to get to gate failures (and there might be other bugs not on the agenda?) | 15:46 |
| regXboi | amen to gate failures | 15:46 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: sure, that's all I had for bugs. | 15:46 |
| * regXboi will take action item to triage undecided bugs | 15:46 | |
| haleyb | I know there are other bugs as well, right carl_baldwin ? We saw one internally that I need to file an upstream bug for | 15:47 |
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| carl_baldwin | haleyb: Yes, I don’t have access to the internal Jira, otherwise I’d get the description. | 15:47 |
| haleyb | #topic Gate-failures | 15:47 |
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| haleyb | we'll move on - regXboi did you want to talk about the issues ? | 15:48 |
| regXboi | haleyb: sure | 15:48 |
| regXboi | If I look at the check pipeline graphs, we are still seeing too many failures in the gate to make mn voting | 15:48 |
| haleyb | http://goo.gl/j5UkwT | 15:49 |
| regXboi | OTOH, I think we can argue that single node dvr can be made voting again | 15:49 |
| regXboi | haleyb: thx | 15:49 |
| regXboi | but note, that is only *think* | 15:49 |
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| regXboi | most of the failures I'm seeing are still FIP failures and I'm still trying to capture those locally to understand what the failure mode is | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | It still seems to be double the failure rate of the non-dvr job. Need more good history. | 15:50 |
| regXboi | what do people think of the idea of trying to get the pipeline job to dump the cloud state when a FIP failure occurs? | 15:51 |
| haleyb | regXboi: yes, it would just be good to maybe have that under 10% for some time to say it's stable, the others are single digits | 15:51 |
| Swami_ | armax mentioned that we should poke into the gate systems to see what is the state of the VM when these failures happen. | 15:51 |
| Swami_ | regXboi: Is there a way do it and if so can we do it. | 15:52 |
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| regXboi | poking into the gate systems is going to likely take job patches to do the poking | 15:52 |
| carl_baldwin | Is there anyone from tempest who could help us figure out the best way to get the state? I vaguely remember a comment in a session at summit where someone from tempest spoke up about this. Anyone recall? | 15:52 |
| Swami_ | regXboi: I did not get it. | 15:52 |
| * regXboi suspects it may be *possible*, but we'll have to work with qa/tempest | 15:52 | |
| regXboi | carl_baldwin: that would have been good to follow up on :( | 15:53 |
| Swami_ | carl_baldwin: but I think armax was not ok adding any help into the tempest and he wanted someone to look at the VM state in the gate. | 15:53 |
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| regXboi | Swami_: I don't believe that is practical | 15:53 |
| regXboi | because of the tests cleaning up after themselves | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | regXboi: So much going on… But, it isn’t too late. We need someone to take an action. | 15:54 |
| haleyb | carl_baldwin: i don't recall, but perhaps we can start with the tempest PTL | 15:54 |
| Swami_ | regXboi: Ok I will check with armax on this. | 15:54 |
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| Swami_ | haleyb: can he join this meeting next week, in case we don't get a head way. | 15:54 |
| haleyb | #action Swami to ping armax about tempest resources to look at VMs during DVR failures in the gate | 15:55 |
| regXboi | I'll ping mtreinish on this in the qa channel and see what *might* be possible | 15:55 |
| haleyb | thanks regXboi | 15:55 |
| haleyb | anything else on the gate? | 15:55 |
| regXboi | not from me | 15:56 |
| haleyb | #topic Performance/Scalability | 15:56 |
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| Swami_ | haleyb: I remember assaf mentioned that he had a script that can probe the logstash and pull the data, filter it and provide the details of the failures. | 15:56 |
| Swami_ | regXboi: do you have something like that script. | 15:57 |
| haleyb | obondarev: i had only added https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231555/ to the agenda as a perf change in review | 15:57 |
| regXboi | Swami_: no | 15:57 |
| obondarev_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231555/ (and dependent) needs reviews | 15:57 |
| regXboi | all: we desperately need to cut down on L3 agent message queue traffic | 15:57 |
| haleyb | Swami_: you had a -1 on that patch, can you take a look again? | 15:58 |
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| obondarev_ | haleyb: yeah, then the next round of scale tests might probably reveal other pain points/bottlenecks | 15:58 |
| Swami_ | haleyb: sure | 15:58 |
| * regXboi has seen installations where neutron L3 agent queue is the only queue dying | 15:58 | |
| carl_baldwin | regXboi: Could you express that in the form of a bug? ;) | 15:58 |
| regXboi | carl_baldwin: you *really* don't want that | 15:59 |
| obondarev_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222863/ should also help scalability | 15:59 |
| haleyb | regXboi: yes, the latest FIP changed oleg did will help, there probably are more, but filing a bug will get it on the agenda :) | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | regXboi: ? | 15:59 |
| obondarev_ | but need to investigate why it breaks graceful ovs agent restart | 15:59 |
| regXboi | so this would be an overarching bug for all of L3 | 15:59 |
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| regXboi | because the message target patches are addressing half of it | 16:00 |
| haleyb | regXboi: we'd have to identify them one by one | 16:00 |
| regXboi | and the O(n) stuff I've been chasing addresses the other half of it | 16:00 |
| haleyb | top of hour, we need to end... | 16:00 |
| regXboi | let's continue in channel | 16:00 |
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| haleyb | #endmeeting neutron_dvr | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 4 16:00:37 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2015/neutron_dvr.2015-11-04-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2015/neutron_dvr.2015-11-04-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2015/neutron_dvr.2015-11-04-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 16:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 4 16:59:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 16:59 |
| mugsie | #topic Roll Call | 16:59 |
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| pglass | o/ | 16:59 |
| mugsie | hey :) | 16:59 |
| federico3 | o/ | 16:59 |
| Kiall | o/ | 16:59 |
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| mugsie | timsim ekarlso : courtesy ping | 17:00 |
| timsim | o/ | 17:00 |
| mugsie | #topic Announcements | 17:00 |
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| mugsie | None, bar 12 hours flights really really suck | 17:00 |
| mugsie | anyone else have anything to announce? | 17:00 |
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| mugsie | #topic Action Items from 3 weeks ago | 17:01 |
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| jmcbride | o/ | 17:01 |
| mugsie | mugsie finish investigations on his bugs | 17:01 |
| mugsie | #action mugsie finish investigations on his bugs | 17:01 |
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| mugsie | Kiall investiagte 1505605 | 17:01 |
| mugsie | Kiall: ? | 17:01 |
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| Kiall | summit and internal releases has meant - no, not yet | 17:02 |
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| mugsie | #action Kiall investiagte 1505605 | 17:02 |
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| mugsie | mugsie update review dashboard to show Kilo / Liberty | 17:02 |
| mugsie | need to push as well | 17:02 |
| mugsie | #action mugsie update review dashboard to show Kilo / Liberty | 17:02 |
| mugsie | mugsie email the ML about the freeze for master from 10th Nov -> 13th Nov | 17:02 |
| mugsie | done | 17:02 |
| mugsie | #topic Bug Triage (timsim - recurring) | 17:02 |
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| mugsie | timsim: over to you | 17:03 |
| timsim | Looks like there's some main Designate stuff that should go in the client. Starting with: https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1506310 | 17:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1506310 in Designate "Designate quota commands should be checked against invalid tenant id" [Undecided,New] | 17:03 |
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| elarson | o/ | 17:04 |
| mugsie | humm. not sure if that is even the place | 17:04 |
| timsim | I'm not sure that's a bug tbh. | 17:04 |
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| rsyed | o/ | 17:04 |
| mugsie | ]do nova / neutron / etc check tenant id's before seting quotas? | 17:04 |
| Kiall | Yea, we have no way to know if a tenant id is valid or not | 17:04 |
| timsim | Yeah that's exposing the fact that the default quotas get returned for any tenant. | 17:04 |
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| Kiall | the best we could do is, check if that tenant has stuff in designate already | 17:04 |
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| mugsie | ok, invalid - with a description saying ^ ? | 17:04 |
| Kiall | but that would make quota setting for new tenants really odd | 17:04 |
| timsim | Sure, I can do that. | 17:05 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1506751 | 17:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1506751 in Designate "'openstack zone abandon ' command does not remove the zone from designate's storage" [Undecided,New] | 17:05 |
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| timsim | Needs more info. | 17:05 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:05 |
| timsim | Same here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1506757 | 17:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1506757 in Designate "'openstack zone delete' command does not remove zone information from designate's storage." [Undecided,New] | 17:05 |
| Kiall | Sounds like it *may* be marking it deleted, but not issueing a SQL DELETE? | 17:05 |
| timsim | I think he may just mean that it's deleted. yeah. | 17:06 |
| mugsie | i think this is the soft delete thiong alright | 17:06 |
| timsim | Yeah. I'll comment on those. | 17:06 |
| rsyed | wasn't there a question in irc a couple weeks back about a zone file not being removed? perhaps that's unrelated | 17:06 |
| mugsie | maybe a pointer to the zonemanager task | 17:06 |
| Kiall | Yea, ask for more info.. and mention the deleted column? | 17:06 |
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| Kiall | rsyed: I think that's a different issue | 17:06 |
| Kiall | bind specific? | 17:06 |
| timsim | rsyed: Unrelated. | 17:06 |
| mugsie | rsyed: yeah, that is a separate issue afiak | 17:06 |
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| mugsie | wow, we all piled on :) | 17:06 |
| Kiall | :D | 17:06 |
| timsim | !m rsyed | 17:06 |
| openstack | timsim: Error: "m" is not a valid command. | 17:07 |
| timsim | shut up openstack | 17:07 |
| rsyed | haha THANKS EVERYONE i got it | 17:07 |
| Kiall | It came up at the summit, so we all remember it ;) | 17:07 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1507965 | 17:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1507965 in Designate "Email is set to some default value for secondary zones." [Undecided,New] | 17:07 |
| timsim | Same https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1507971 | 17:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1507971 in Designate "ttl for secondary zones is set to some default values." [Undecided,New] | 17:07 |
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| Kiall | Both by design, we get the real values from the upstream nameserver | 17:07 |
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| mugsie | yeah. convert to a docs bug saying that while we are waiting for info from the Upstream sever we have placeholders | 17:08 |
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| timsim | K. Will do. | 17:08 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1512237 | 17:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1512237 in Designate "'designate server-create' command gives output with incorrect field-value pair." [Undecided,New] | 17:08 |
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| mugsie | OK, that needs to be investiagted, but it is a client bug | 17:09 |
| timsim | Will move it over to the client. | 17:09 |
| Kiall | | created_at | 2015-11-02T06:05:14.000000 | | 17:09 |
| Kiall | | updated_at | b0917d6e-1916-47c2-94c1-46d691ee9c54 | | 17:09 |
| Kiall | ^ really? wow how did we manage that :( | 17:09 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:10 |
| timsim | I'd have thought we'd have noticed that in the workshop :P | 17:10 |
| Kiall | LOL | 17:10 |
| mugsie | would we? | 17:10 |
| mugsie | :D | 17:10 |
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| timsim | lol. Too busy installing virtualbox on windows. | 17:10 |
| mugsie | oh, it kinda worked, thank god | 17:10 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/1511230 | 17:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1511230 in python-designateclient "'openstack recordset delete ' command should provide meaningful exception message." [Undecided,New] - Assigned to megha (tmegha247) | 17:10 |
| Kiall | "Managed records may not be updated" | 17:11 |
| Kiall | vs | 17:11 |
| Kiall | "Managed records may not be deleted" | 17:11 |
| Kiall | is I guess the request? | 17:11 |
| timsim | Yep | 17:11 |
| timsim | That message probably comes straight from the API | 17:11 |
| mugsie | that is a designate bug - confirmed low in the main project | 17:11 |
| Kiall | makes sense, valid issue | 17:11 |
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| timsim | Cool | 17:12 |
| timsim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-designateclient/+bug/1512647 | 17:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1512647 in python-designateclient "--log-file LOG_FILE option does not work with designate cli commands" [Undecided,New] | 17:12 |
| Kiall | mmm... if --debug or --verbose is supplied, I believe it does have all the log messages? | 17:12 |
| mugsie | needs to be investigated | 17:13 |
| Kiall | (there's no logs at INFO+ unless it fails) | 17:13 |
| mugsie | ah | 17:13 |
| timsim | I'll ask for more info with that insight. | 17:13 |
| Kiall | otherwise, every command would have logs around the output | 17:13 |
| Kiall | then again, the reported might be expecting the output to go to the logfile? | 17:13 |
| Kiall | reporter* | 17:14 |
| mugsie | thats what I think is the intention | 17:14 |
| Kiall | Yea, I'd disagree with it doing that | 17:14 |
| mugsie | so, we need to update the ticket and point out what logs it is for | 17:14 |
| timsim | Kiall, would you do that? | 17:14 |
| Kiall | Sure | 17:14 |
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| mugsie | that all the bugs? | 17:15 |
| timsim | That's everything | 17:15 |
| mugsie | #topic Stable Backport Triage (kiall - recurring) | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | $ git log --oneline --since="3 weeks ago" | grep -v "Updated from global" | grep -v "Transifex" | 17:15 |
| Kiall | b5b5433 Merge tag '1.0.0' | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | I vote for no backports ;) | 17:15 |
| mugsie | yup :) | 17:15 |
| mugsie | #topic Designate/Neutron Integration Update (mlavalle - recurring) | 17:15 |
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| Kiall | mlavalle isn't about - I'll fill in | 17:16 |
| mugsie | mlavalle seems to afk | 17:16 |
| mugsie | great | 17:16 |
| Kiall | So, not much of an update re code / reviews | 17:16 |
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| Kiall | we demo'd at the summit to around ~80 people | 17:16 |
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| Kiall | lots of interest, a bunch of Q's etc | 17:16 |
| mugsie | :D | 17:16 |
| Kiall | seems like people are v.interested :) | 17:16 |
| federico3 | oh - are there summit videos that could be included in the meeting minutes? | 17:17 |
| mugsie | i can imagine | 17:17 |
| mugsie | federico3: eh, let me look | 17:17 |
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| federico3 | (or slides) | 17:17 |
| timsim | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZbiARM9FPM | 17:17 |
| Kiall | video will have to do .. don't have the slides anywhere public | 17:17 |
| Kiall | Anyway - That's about it.. mlavalle will hopefully get the rest merged to Neutron ASAP :) | 17:18 |
| mugsie | great :) | 17:18 |
| mugsie | #topic The big refactor: Domain -> Zone (mugsie) | 17:18 |
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| mugsie | basically - can cores spend some time over the next few days to merge as many patches as possible? | 17:18 |
| mugsie | so we have very little in the review queue for next tuesday? | 17:18 |
| Kiall | ++ there's a backlog and a half. | 17:18 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:19 |
| mugsie | and the refactor will break 99% of them | 17:19 |
| Kiall | 100% | 17:19 |
| mugsie | so Kiall timsim we need to dig in. :) | 17:19 |
| timsim | Will do | 17:19 |
| Kiall | I'd argue that we land everything that isn't fundamentially wrong.. a typo or something? merge it. | 17:19 |
| mugsie | yeah - we can do a clean up commit on tuesday morning | 17:20 |
| Kiall | It's not "fair" to force the rename pain on the random contributers based on silly things like typos | 17:20 |
| mugsie | sounds like a plan | 17:20 |
| mugsie | #topic Summit Recap | 17:20 |
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| mugsie | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-designate-summit-roadmap | 17:20 |
| mugsie | at the bottom of that etherpad is our plan for the next 3-4 months | 17:20 |
| mugsie | if you are named as doing something, but will not be able to do it, please shout :) | 17:21 |
| mugsie | is there any questions / problems with that list? | 17:22 |
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| mugsie | OK then :) | 17:22 |
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| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 17:23 |
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| mugsie | any off agenda items? | 17:23 |
| Kiall | jmcbride: I hear you had USB key envy? ;) | 17:23 |
| * mugsie does the happy dance | 17:23 | |
| johnbelamaric | mugsie: any status on the plugin framework for primary that we discussed at the summit? | 17:23 |
| mugsie | johnbelamaric: not yet. | 17:23 |
| mugsie | I am still mulling it over in my head | 17:24 |
| johnbelamaric | mugsie: ok, figured it's too soon :) | 17:24 |
| Kiall | I've managed to keep mugsie busy enough with internal work since we got back from the summit - probably my fault ;) | 17:24 |
| mugsie | 100% | 17:24 |
| mugsie | its always Kiall's fault | 17:24 |
| mugsie | OK, last chance! | 17:25 |
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| elarson | mugsie: would it be reasonable for johnbelamaric to write a blueprint? | 17:25 |
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| * elarson hadn't heard about a plugin framework | 17:25 | |
| mugsie | elarson: I took on that job | 17:25 |
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| johnbelamaric | mugsie, elarson: lucky me ;) | 17:25 |
| elarson | mugsie: you are a wonderful person :) | 17:25 |
| mugsie | I will be pinging people with info over the next few weeks | 17:25 |
| mugsie | elarson: I know, right? | 17:25 |
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| elarson | for realz | 17:26 |
| johnbelamaric | agreed | 17:26 |
| mugsie | OK - are we all OK to wrap up there? | 17:26 |
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| mugsie | #endmeeting | 17:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 4 17:26:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-11-04-16.59.html | 17:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-11-04-16.59.txt | 17:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2015/designate.2015-11-04-16.59.log.html | 17:27 |
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| mugsie | OK, see y'all in #openstack-dns | 17:27 |
| mugsie | :) | 17:27 |
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| timsim | o/ | 17:27 |
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| peterstac | #startmeeting Trove | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 4 18:01:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is peterstac. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Trove)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:01 |
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| peterstac | Waiting for folks to trickle in ... | 18:01 |
| peterstac | (cp16net has an appointment and SlickNik and amrith are unavailable, so I'll be chairing) | 18:03 |
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| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:04 |
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| peterstac | This could be a small meeting ... I think people forgot about the time change ;) | 18:04 |
| dougshelley66 | ok peterstac let's vote on some stuff | 18:05 |
| peterstac | sure, how about who picks up the bar tab at mid-cycle? | 18:05 |
| dougshelley66 | i move that the next sponsor for mid-cycle provides beer all day during the meetings | 18:05 |
| peterstac | Well, I guess we'll move on - people can catch up as they join | 18:06 |
| peterstac | #topic Trove pulse update | 18:06 |
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| peterstac | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update | 18:07 |
| peterstac | cp16net updated the stats, thx! | 18:07 |
| peterstac | Not surprising, stats fell for the week due to the summit | 18:07 |
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| peterstac | Hopefully they'll pick up again this week | 18:08 |
| dougshelley66 | it would be good to get old reviews dropped from the queue | 18:08 |
| dougshelley66 | but i guess the submitters would have to abandon them | 18:09 |
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| peterstac | I'm still in favor of having a bot do that ... nobody can get mad at a bot :P | 18:10 |
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| dougshelley66 | i assume that having a bot do that is still out of favour with the community? | 18:10 |
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| peterstac | That was my take, but maybe we can ask some other projects how they handle this | 18:11 |
| peterstac | Ok, moving on | 18:11 |
| peterstac | #topic Gate Jobs failing | 18:11 |
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| peterstac | We've noticed that the gate jobs are failing (apparently in stable branch as well) | 18:12 |
| peterstac | They're getting a segmentation violation ... | 18:13 |
| peterstac | amrith and cp16net (I believe) were looking into it ... | 18:13 |
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| peterstac | I don't know if they've made any progress | 18:13 |
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| peterstac | I've ran some tests myself, trying to pin down whether it's a pip versioning issue | 18:14 |
| peterstac | No smoking gun yet | 18:14 |
| dougshelley66 | smoking guns aren't allowed in canada | 18:15 |
| dougshelley66 | we have a new Prime Minister who isn't a gun freak like the last one | 18:15 |
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| _imandhan_ | I've been here o/// | 18:17 |
| peterstac | Ok, I guess we'll get an update once amrith and cp16net are back online | 18:17 |
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| peterstac | #topic Open Discussion | 18:17 |
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| dougshelley66 | well we are kind of stuck until we can get the gate fixed | 18:17 |
| dougshelley66 | so that should be a priority for anyone that has some cycles to figure it out | 18:18 |
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| _imandhan_ | are all the patches in merge conflict due to the manager refactor part 1 that were merged? | 18:18 |
| peterstac | Yeah, I'll keep looking into it - but the fact that it affects stable branch is disconcerting | 18:18 |
| mvandijk_ | did anyone see that i posted a blueprint for moving to oslo.db ? | 18:18 |
| peterstac | mvandijk_, have you submitted a spec? Most people don't follow bp's explicitly | 18:19 |
| mvandijk_ | Not yet. Working on scoping the work then I'll put one up. | 18:19 |
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| peterstac | Do you want to talk about it? ;) | 18:20 |
| dougshelley66 | _imandhan_ yes the merge conflict is likely due to manager refactor | 18:20 |
| mvandijk_ | peterstac, just wait for the spec then we can discuss it | 18:21 |
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| peterstac | _imandhan_, I've seen gerrit claim a merge conflict but then not get one when doing the actual merge, so it could be very easy | 18:22 |
| peterstac | mvandijk_, sounds good | 18:22 |
| cp16net | howdy yall | 18:22 |
| peterstac | hey cp16net, that was quick | 18:22 |
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| peterstac | maybe you can give us an update on the gate issues (if you have one)? | 18:23 |
| cp16net | it was faster than i expected | 18:23 |
| cp16net | my only update on the gate is that its broken giving a seg fault on unit tests | 18:23 |
| cp16net | and i've seen other random failures here and there as well | 18:23 |
| cp16net | only thing i've seen consistent was the seg fault | 18:24 |
| peterstac | have you looked at stable branch? (i.e. is it the same issue?) | 18:24 |
| cp16net | not looked at stable yet | 18:24 |
| cp16net | i'm focused on master first | 18:24 |
| cp16net | because we have a larger queue of patches there that need to pass | 18:24 |
| cp16net | i dunno if its the same issue or not | 18:25 |
| peterstac | I was just trying to guess what could cause the issue there, since don't they peg the pip versions pretty tight? | 18:25 |
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| cp16net | yeah so i went through and found the diff between a successful run and the last bad run i saw from pip freeze and got a small diff | 18:26 |
| cp16net | let me see if i can find it.... | 18:26 |
| peterstac | I also took a look as some other projects to see if they were having issues, and it doesn't seem so | 18:26 |
| cp16net | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/477928/ | 18:26 |
| cp16net | theres the small diff i found | 18:26 |
| ashleighfarnham | . | 18:26 |
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| cp16net | something makes me think WebTest but then i'm not sure because its unit tests that are failing | 18:27 |
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| dougshelley66 | so with "goodpip" py27 works? | 18:27 |
| cp16net | yes | 18:27 |
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| dougshelley66 | so can't we just change one requirement at a time and find which one breaks it | 18:28 |
| cp16net | it should have a few older versions | 18:28 |
| peterstac | I ran a test with the 'good' pip, but knocked out some I didn't think were culpable | 18:28 |
| peterstac | and it still failed | 18:28 |
| peterstac | one of them was redis - maybe that's causing the issue? | 18:28 |
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| cp16net | yeah i'm starting to wonder if its something else | 18:28 |
| cp16net | if i saw some strange oslo changes i would think that would be the issue | 18:29 |
| cp16net | but thats not the case that i see | 18:29 |
| peterstac | I'll start a test just pegging redis to the good version - see if that passes | 18:30 |
| cp16net | peterstac: sounds good | 18:31 |
| cp16net | we need to get this resolved soon | 18:31 |
| peterstac | Otherwise we may need to do what dougshelley66 suggested - try each one separately | 18:31 |
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| cp16net | yeah if anyone else has a good theory on this it would be appreciated | 18:32 |
| cp16net | or if you know of other projects that ran into the same issue | 18:32 |
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| cp16net | i'll continue working on this and looking around | 18:32 |
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| peterstac | ok, any other items to discuss? | 18:33 |
| cp16net | one other thing i'd like to mention is the releases are changing a bit and allowing projects to be a little more free when they make their release | 18:34 |
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| cp16net | like we talked about at the summit last week | 18:34 |
| dougshelley66 | cp16net i must have missed that - can you provide an overview | 18:34 |
| peterstac | cp16net, you also mentioned possibly doing some kind of summit overview | 18:34 |
| peterstac | should we start with that? | 18:34 |
| _imandhan_ | that would be nice :) | 18:35 |
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| cp16net | so there was an email from doug tagged with [release] | 18:35 |
| cp16net | there were a few acrtually | 18:35 |
| cp16net | but the main thing i took away from the emails was that there would be a move away from managing releases from launchpad | 18:36 |
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| dougshelley66 | ah ok - i guess i need to catch up on my ML reading | 18:36 |
| cp16net | since i'm fairly new to keeping up with the releases i'm not sure what this exactly means yet but i'll have more info moving forward | 18:36 |
| peterstac | ok, great | 18:37 |
| cp16net | i'm working on getting a new trove client version 1.4.0 | 18:37 |
| cp16net | this will include the cluster create with AZ and network | 18:37 |
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| cp16net | and a few other minor changes | 18:37 |
| cp16net | this will help users with the latest liberty release of trove | 18:38 |
| peterstac | cp16net, let me know when you do that and I'll generate new CLI docs | 18:38 |
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| cp16net | k | 18:38 |
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| peterstac | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-trove-summit | 18:39 |
| cp16net | thats all i had on the release stuff | 18:39 |
| cp16net | so the overview of the summit talks | 18:39 |
| peterstac | There's a link to the main summit etherpad | 18:39 |
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| peterstac | Actually, this one is probably better: | 18:40 |
| peterstac | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Mitaka/Etherpads#Trove | 18:40 |
| cp16net | so we talked about adding support for other backends for backups | 18:40 |
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| cp16net | we specifically focused on looking into supporting ceph | 18:40 |
| cp16net | this didnt seem to be very controversial | 18:41 |
| cp16net | more discussion was about how and if it would allow us to tie in for backups | 18:41 |
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| cp16net | or snapshotting the volumes | 18:41 |
| _imandhan_ | is this something we will be implementing during mitaka or down the lane? | 18:42 |
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| cp16net | i think its something that should be worked on during mitaka | 18:42 |
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| cp16net | although i'm not sure who will be working on it | 18:42 |
| peterstac | _imandhan_, well, nobody committed to doing the work yet ... | 18:42 |
| _imandhan_ | hmm okay | 18:43 |
| cp16net | yeah no one was assigned and no bp that i've seen yet | 18:43 |
| cp16net | then managing upgrades was another topuic | 18:43 |
| dougshelley66 | yes - that is something that has been kicked around for a while | 18:44 |
| cp16net | we talked about adding a way to add a key for accesss | 18:44 |
| cp16net | but this turns out to not be a good idea for security reasons | 18:44 |
| peterstac | until we realized the big security hole it created ;D | 18:45 |
| cp16net | yup | 18:45 |
| cp16net | i think we should look at other options for this still | 18:45 |
| cp16net | there wasnt a clear cut way to do this within trove | 18:45 |
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| cp16net | because many deployers today run something outside of trove to manage the updates ie. puppet/chef/others | 18:46 |
| cp16net | from the user/op session | 18:46 |
| cp16net | we got some feedback about needing a cluster status | 18:47 |
| cp16net | rather than just a task that means nothing | 18:47 |
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| cp16net | something to determine healthy/unhealthy cluster | 18:47 |
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| cp16net | we need a way of force deleting an instance from any state | 18:48 |
| cp16net | adding support for trove in openstack cli | 18:48 |
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| cp16net | people like that everything is together there and has multiple output options | 18:49 |
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| cp16net | we need to support mgmt cli calls again | 18:49 |
| cp16net | something about test requirements there that we are missing | 18:50 |
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| cp16net | not sure what that was about for sure | 18:50 |
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| cp16net | for the toggle status session | 18:50 |
| cp16net | we decided that the manager refactor helped mitigate this | 18:50 |
| cp16net | so we all went over this and reviewed it | 18:51 |
| cp16net | looks like it should be merged now | 18:51 |
| peterstac | yep, the first part is in | 18:51 |
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| peterstac | (unfortunately with the gate broken, we haven't seen any benefit yet) | 18:51 |
| cp16net | for agnostic linux distros | 18:51 |
| cp16net | we are continuing the work forward around this | 18:52 |
| cp16net | guest image building | 18:52 |
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| cp16net | this session was interesting with a variety of views | 18:53 |
| cp16net | if the image should be expected to connect to internet for packages and setup or not | 18:53 |
| cp16net | i think it doesnt matter and a deployer should choose their own adventure reguarding connections needed or not | 18:54 |
| vkmc | o/ | 18:54 |
| cp16net | so this leads me to thinking that its not a good idea to remove the install packages as needed from the guest | 18:55 |
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| cp16net | towards the end we talked about getting locks in nova or for other projects for resources managed by a system | 18:56 |
| cp16net | there maybe a way we could use keystone to manage the roles of a project that is owned by a user | 18:56 |
| cp16net | there was a long discussion about this and i think towards the end we made some good arguments for moving this forward | 18:57 |
| cp16net | but not sure what the outcome will be yet of the discussions | 18:57 |
| cp16net | so i think that wraps up my overview | 18:58 |
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| cp16net | and its about time | 18:58 |
| cp16net | sorry for taking up all the time at the end | 18:58 |
| _imandhan_ | thanks cp16net :) | 18:58 |
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| cp16net | but i hope for others that were not there it was benificial to hear this | 18:58 |
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| peterstac | yep, thanks cp16net! | 18:59 |
| cp16net | if you have questions feel free to ask in the channel | 18:59 |
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| cp16net | thats all i got | 18:59 |
| peterstac | sounds good - anything else I guess we can discuss back in #openstack-trove | 18:59 |
| peterstac | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 4 18:59:45 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-11-04-18.01.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-11-04-18.01.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-11-04-18.01.log.html | 18:59 |
| cp16net | thanks for running the meeting peterstac | 18:59 |
| peterstac | Thanks all! | 18:59 |
| peterstac | cp16net, np | 18:59 |
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| xgerman | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 4 20:00:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| johnsom | o/ | 20:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | Howdy folks! | 20:00 |
| TrevorV | o/ | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #chair blogan johnsom | 20:00 |
| crc32 | hello | 20:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan johnsom xgerman | 20:00 |
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| xgerman | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Meeting_2015-11-04 | 20:00 |
| blogan | hello | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Meeting_2015-11-04 | 20:00 |
| xgerman | #topic Announcements | 20:01 |
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| bana_k | hi | 20:01 |
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| xgerman | Great summit!! | 20:01 |
| xgerman | Design session: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-neutron-next-adv-services | 20:01 |
| Aish | o/ | 20:01 |
| ajmiller | hi | 20:01 |
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| bharathm | o/ | 20:02 |
| johnsom | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/videos/presentation/load-balancing-as-a-service-liberty-and-beyond | 20:02 |
| xgerman | Talk #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/videos/presentation/load-balancing-as-a-service-liberty-and-beyond | 20:02 |
| blogan | someone added that they wanted the ability to specify vip_port_id | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | Short agenda today, eh. | 20:02 |
| blogan | i don't like that ability | 20:02 |
| johnsom | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/videos/presentation/rsvp-required-hands-on-lab-install-and-configure-openstack-octavia | 20:03 |
| TrevorV | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-neutron-next-adv-services | 20:03 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: So the idea is that they specify the VIP by assigning it to a port first? | 20:03 |
| xgerman | sounds like OpenDiscussion topic? | 20:04 |
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| blogan | yeah lets shelve until open discussion | 20:05 |
| xgerman | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:05 | |
| sbalukoff | Not a whole lot to report from my front since the summit. | 20:05 |
| xgerman | same here | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | Trying to finish up some documentation before I go on vacation. | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | Also, I will be on vacation for the next week starting Friday. | 20:05 |
| sbalukoff | So... yeah. | 20:05 |
| crc32 | I'm finishing the neutron-lbaas side of the event stream. nothing to report. I'm looking for more stuff to work on after this if any one has some suggestions. | 20:05 |
| johnsom | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 20:06 |
| johnsom | FYI, Mitaka 1 is coming up very soon | 20:06 |
| johnsom | Week of Dec 1 | 20:06 |
| xgerman | yeah, indeed | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | Oh, wow. | 20:06 |
| blogan | geez | 20:06 |
| blogan | i alwasy forgot how close -1 is to the summit | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | Ok... time to get some of those delayed features landed. | 20:06 |
| xgerman | and also the release is in Feb — so not a ton of time | 20:06 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. | 20:07 |
| minwang2 | i made the tempest scenario test for octavia work and a lot of patches need to be reviewed by you guys | 20:07 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I plan to be aggressive at getting the VRRP bugs fixed so we can get it in | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | minwang2: Can you link some of them here? | 20:07 |
| minwang2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240616/2 | 20:07 |
| minwang2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224929/ | 20:07 |
| minwang2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215359/ | 20:07 |
| minwang2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182554/ | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | Thanks! | 20:07 |
| blogan | samew ith teh container flows | 20:07 |
| xgerman | they are also M1? | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | I'll be aggressive about shared pools and L7 once I'm back from vacation. | 20:07 |
| minwang2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240616/2 | 20:07 |
| xgerman | do we even have a devstack to test them in — or do I need to take you word for it? | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | (Which will give me about 2 weeks before the M1 deadline) | 20:08 |
| minwang2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224929/ | 20:08 |
| minwang2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215359/ | 20:08 |
| minwang2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182554/ | 20:08 |
| blogan | i told you, this will work in devstack | 20:08 |
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| minwang2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224929/ | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: awesome! | 20:08 |
| blogan | we'll certainly need a job setup for it | 20:08 |
| minwang2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215359/ | 20:08 |
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| minwang2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182554/ | 20:08 |
| xgerman | yeah, do I need magnum? | 20:08 |
| blogan | now they'll work in devstack VMs, we will need to spend some time on actuallyg etting some kind of container compute set up | 20:08 |
| xgerman | oh, ok | 20:09 |
| blogan | xgerman: no just use regular nova, the gist of it is that its just rebuilding VMs | 20:09 |
| blogan | instead of hot plugging | 20:09 |
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| xgerman | understood | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | We should also start figuring out the time and location for the mid-cycle hack-a-thon. | 20:09 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:09 |
| sbalukoff | (Which I guess isn't "progress reports" so... whatever.) | 20:09 |
| xgerman | yeah | 20:09 |
| xgerman | Open Discussion | 20:09 |
| johnsom | On other progress, Canonical backported the keepalived version we need at our request, so we don't have to build it anymore. We will work on updating that too | 20:10 |
| xgerman | so it seems lot’s of reviews are need | 20:10 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: Rad! | 20:10 |
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| xgerman | +! | 20:10 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:10 |
| sbalukoff | Yeah. | 20:10 |
| blogan | yes lets of reviews, reviewing is the bottleneck | 20:10 |
| * blogan is guilty of being a bottleneck | 20:10 | |
| johnsom | Agreed, there are a bunch of reviews that need to get done. | 20:10 |
| * johnsom Slaps his wrist | 20:10 | |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:11 |
| * xgerman gets popcorn to start a big review party | 20:11 | |
| sbalukoff | So.... action item for next week: Everyone reviews everything. | 20:11 |
| TrevorV | As long as we have those listed, I can help by jumping on those from a pedantic point of view as well :P | 20:11 |
| xgerman | yep, that would be good | 20:11 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: I will be sorely disappointed if I don't see a bunch of -1's. | 20:11 |
| TrevorV | Its nice to see I've set an expectation to say the least :P | 20:12 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/openstack/octavia+status:open,n,z | 20:12 |
| johnsom | Just a reminder of the summary link.... | 20:12 |
| xgerman | thanks | 20:12 |
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| xgerman | ok, it seems that the member status topic disappeared | 20:12 |
| xgerman | so | 20:13 |
| xgerman | #topic Open Discussion | 20:13 |
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| * dougwig waves from Seattle | 20:13 | |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: You're here? | 20:13 |
| blogan | okay so while dougwig is here, hackathon location | 20:13 |
| blogan | or midcycle meetup | 20:13 |
| blogan | or whatever its called | 20:13 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok! I checked with my management and the response I got back was that they'd rather send me to Ireland than host it at our offices (which are getting *very* crowded just now)... I'm trying to figure out whether that was a backhanded insult. | 20:14 |
| dougwig | blogan: let me sync up with mugsie first | 20:14 |
| blogan | options are? i've heard london and ireland, both of which are uncertain if many can go | 20:14 |
| crc32 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218735/ <-- can I get more reviews on this? | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | In any case, I'm up for whatever, eh. | 20:14 |
| johnsom | Dublin was proposed so it could overlap with designate/kosmos. I think that was possibly changing due to the travel overhead. | 20:14 |
| xgerman | Ireland would be Galway -- | 20:14 |
| dougwig | Let's talk in channel on Friday. | 20:14 |
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| dougwig | I'm about to deplane and hit customs. | 20:14 |
| blogan | okay | 20:14 |
| xgerman | not Dublin | 20:15 |
| xgerman | which makes it less attractive for me ;-) | 20:15 |
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| sbalukoff | dougwig: Sounds good. | 20:15 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, table this for now? | 20:15 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:15 |
| johnsom | I suspect we could still host in Seattle | 20:15 |
| xgerman | probably | 20:15 |
| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218735/ | 20:15 |
| blogan | dougwig should host in boise | 20:15 |
| sbalukoff | I have one awkward question to ask y'all HP folks: I hear that HP public cloud is shutting down in a few months. Is this true? And if so, will it affect your ability to contribute to these projects? | 20:16 |
| johnsom | Umm, yeah, Boise... | 20:16 |
| * blogan feels awkward | 20:16 | |
| xgerman | yes, we are shutting down; no we will keep contributing | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Yay! | 20:16 |
| johnsom | http://www.hpcloud.com/ | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | On the keep contributing part. | 20:16 |
| xgerman | we are now 100% focused on our distro | 20:16 |
| johnsom | Sorry you can't get rid of us.... | 20:16 |
| sbalukoff | Fine by me! | 20:16 |
| blogan | rackspace's public cloud grows stronger (kind of) | 20:17 |
| TrevorV | Pedantically incorrect blogan | 20:17 |
| TrevorV | just saying | 20:17 |
| xgerman | yeah, we might need some cloud accounts | 20:17 |
| johnsom | We may need to talk with you guys about moving the Sonar gate. That isn't clear yet. | 20:17 |
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| blogan | just host a publicly accessible private cloud | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | Heh! | 20:19 |
| xgerman | well, we might do that ... | 20:19 |
| sbalukoff | I'll poke my management about that. | 20:19 |
| blogan | anywho, i'd like to bring up that I think we should start being more strict about having smaller LOC in reviews | 20:19 |
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| sbalukoff | LOC? | 20:19 |
| blogan | lines of code | 20:19 |
| sbalukoff | Oh. | 20:19 |
| xgerman | blogan +! | 20:19 |
| johnsom | After these patches merge right? grin | 20:19 |
| ajmiller | +1 | 20:19 |
| blogan | yes after | 20:19 |
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| johnsom | +1 | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | Well... there are a few that won't be very possible with. (Shared pools touches a lot of stuff, for example... and can't easily be broken up.) | 20:20 |
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| blogan | probably too much to ask people to split them up now, but any new patches that happen should start being relatively smaller | 20:20 |
| xgerman | nobody said it would be easy ;-) | 20:20 |
| johnsom | I have enough headaches to get VRRP in for M1 than to try to break up Sherif's patch | 20:20 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: wehre there's a will, there is a way | 20:20 |
| xgerman | ok, so there was the vip topic from earlier | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Isn't it more of a pain to do dependent patches? | 20:20 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: it only becomes a pain when there are many people involved | 20:21 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: if its just yours then its not a pain | 20:21 |
| crc32 | sbalukoff: yes. For me at least. | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | crc32: +1 | 20:21 |
| sbalukoff | Still a pain when it's just me. | 20:21 |
| blogan | well its a pain to review 1000+ lines in one review, and code starts getting in because of just reviewer attrition | 20:22 |
| blogan | i'm guilty of doing this too, i know, we all are, but really i totally get why smaller reviews are better | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | I also dislike how that encourages shorting tests and whatnot... if I think I can sneak in a 500-line change by skipping 3 or 4 tests I really ought to do... | 20:22 |
| sbalukoff | I agree that big patches are a pain. | 20:23 |
| crc32 | I agree 1000+ lines suck but trying to diff between multiple commit points is confusing. | 20:23 |
| sbalukoff | I'm just saying: Sometimes they can't easily be made shorter. | 20:23 |
| johnsom | We are trying to be pretty strict with the test coverage too. The Sonar gate helps with that | 20:23 |
| blogan | wlel you could say having a huge review encourages shorting tests too because when its that much code no one will notice missing test cases | 20:23 |
| TrevorV | Is there another team that has a defined limit or a guideline we SHOULD be following? | 20:23 |
| xgerman | yep, and big patches I will definitely install and test in devstack | 20:23 |
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| xgerman | I don’t think there are hard and fast rules and some patches are also too small and too focused | 20:23 |
| blogan | well neutron tends to go with 500 but there's always exceptions, but not like the exceptions we've allowed | 20:24 |
| johnsom | I agree with blogan we have had some monster patches. I will try to work on making that not happen. | 20:24 |
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| xgerman | yep | 20:24 |
| TrevorV | So we should *try* to limit to 500 as well? | 20:24 |
| TrevorV | I'm asking more so we can establish some sort of acceptable limit or something | 20:25 |
| xgerman | absolutely - preferably less | 20:25 |
| TrevorV | I've only ever worked on this project | 20:25 |
| sbalukoff | I just think "tl;dr" is a bad excuse for not reviewing. | 20:25 |
| TrevorV | So I don't know what is "normal" ha ha | 20:25 |
| blogan | i woudl say thats a good guideline for now, just try to split it up into chunks like that, or somewhere around that | 20:25 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:25 |
| johnsom | +1 | 20:25 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: bad excuse yes, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it does happen | 20:25 |
| ajmiller | The problem I have as a reviewer is when patches end up addressing more than one major theme. It isn't so much size as it is mental complexity. It also isn't fun to have to be jumping between interrelated patches either -- so its more than just size. | 20:25 |
| TrevorV | Alright. I think that can make things difficult when you're talking about inter-dependent code changes, but sure. | 20:25 |
| sbalukoff | ajmiller: +1 | 20:26 |
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| xgerman | #decision try to limit patches to 500 LOC | 20:26 |
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| johnsom | Yes, patches addressing more than one issue is a problem. | 20:26 |
| ajmiller | 500 LOC is probably a good point to stop and think about what the patch is doing. | 20:26 |
| minwang2 | what if you import a third party library which has more than 500 LOC? | 20:26 |
| sbalukoff | I would rather "keep patches to one major code theme" be the rule. | 20:26 |
| blogan | minwang2: what when woudl that happen? | 20:27 |
| johnsom | minwang2 Something is wrong if we are importing third party libraries into our code base | 20:27 |
| crc32 | minwang2: You included the source of the library in our code base? | 20:27 |
| sbalukoff | Just like it doesn't usually make sense to address more than one bug in a patch-- unless the fix for two bugs ends up touching the same bit of code. | 20:27 |
| xgerman | import is one line — or am I missing something? | 20:28 |
| minwang2 | blogan, for instance in the tempest-lib we need to rewrite some of the functions, which turned out to be a lot of LOC | 20:28 |
| blogan | minwang2: so break the it by a group of functions | 20:28 |
| blogan | break it up | 20:28 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 20:28 |
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| sbalukoff | What if you can't pass CI with only half the required changes in your patch? | 20:29 |
| crc32 | +1: A seperate commit for tempest sounds easy enough to seperate. | 20:29 |
| minwang2 | there will be a lot of dependences | 20:29 |
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| xgerman | sbalukoff chains are made for that | 20:29 |
| dougwig | With the tempest plugin mechanism, we should be able to stop the duo | 20:29 |
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| dougwig | Dip | 20:29 |
| dougwig | Dup | 20:29 |
| dougwig | Fuck | 20:29 |
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| xgerman | well, Rally might not have that problem | 20:29 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: there are ways to decompose into smaller reviews to make sure your patch is testing what it needs to and passes the tests | 20:30 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: i'm sure there are crazy edge cases where its not possible, but those are exceptions | 20:30 |
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| blogan | sbalukoff: i'm not saying its easy, but i think its better for the project overall | 20:31 |
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| sbalukoff | It just seems really ridiculous to me to split up code having to do with one theme into multiple patches just to keep them under an arbitrary line count limit, especially when it involves a lot of work setting up a dependency chain and must be all merged at about the same time. This doesn't actually reduce reviewer workload and just makes things more difficult for the person doing the coding. | 20:32 |
| sbalukoff | And that slows velocity. | 20:32 |
| blogan | it really doesn't take a lot of work setting up a dependency chain, its just adding commits on top of commits | 20:33 |
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| xgerman | I also think things can be split intelligently with the right effort | 20:33 |
| blogan | now how to split them up so that the tests and the code are i the same commits will take some thought | 20:33 |
| sbalukoff | Right. Until you need to modify something at the start. I've had nothing but trouble trying to keep the rest of the chain in sync. | 20:33 |
| blogan | git rebase -i | 20:33 |
| blogan | everyone's gitfu will improve! | 20:33 |
| crc32 | I find it hard to imagine how I would be able to assocate lines from one commit with that of another future commit and keep them straight in my head. | 20:34 |
| blogan | crc32: if its in a chain your future commit will have those lines from all previous commits | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | That's my point: Y'all probably have no idea how many tests needed to be futzed with to get shared pools working with Neutron LBaaS... there was *no way* to split that work up into multiple patches. | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | And it's still not merged because we have to make this work with Octavia, too. | 20:35 |
| xgerman | also if you have trouble splitting things we might not have a very maintainable design | 20:35 |
| TrevorV | http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/images/4/4d/git.png | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Yes, Neutron LBaaS is laid out poorly. | 20:35 |
| crc32 | blogan: yea but then when I fix those lines of code. Poof I fixed them in the future commit. Oops. Now the switch back to the old commit those lines get lost. I'll try my best but I see more errors happening/ | 20:35 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: its just an something i'm askign for to improve overall quality, there will always be exceptions but i do believe in 95% of cases there are ways to do it logically | 20:35 |
| johnsom | The problem here is patches that are 1000's of lines take well over an hour to review. So you either have to have multiple review sessions, or put it off until you have a big block of time. | 20:35 |
| xgerman | sbalukoff so maybe we should have refactored it in the light of the pools | 20:36 |
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| xgerman | TrevorV +1 | 20:36 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: So... you're suggesting I make an even bigger change? | 20:36 |
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| xgerman | yes | 20:36 |
| blogan | crc32: once you get the gitfu down then its not that hard | 20:37 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: It would be quicker to scrap Neutron LBaaS entirely. | 20:37 |
| blogan | lol | 20:37 |
| blogan | +1? | 20:37 |
| blogan | j/k | 20:37 |
| * xgerman wonders who wrote LBaaS V2 | 20:37 | |
| * johnsom wonders the same | 20:38 | |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Seriously, your suggestion makes me think you either want to shut down all work on the project, or simply want me to leave. | 20:38 |
| blogan | refactorign the neutron-lbaas tests haev always been a want of mine | 20:38 |
| crc32 | I'll just work to keep commits smaller period. The less I change the less risk I see. | 20:38 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: how did you interpret that way? | 20:38 |
| sbalukoff | "In order to get your change in, please rewrite the entire project" | 20:39 |
| xgerman | oh, no — that’s not what I meant | 20:39 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: i read it as maybe the neutron-lbaas code should be targeted for refactor | 20:39 |
| xgerman | I just think if something is broken we should aim to fix it | 20:39 |
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| xgerman | blogan +1 | 20:39 |
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| blogan | anyway we've spent a lot of time on this, i'd say just do a best effort from now on, if it can't be done it can't be done | 20:40 |
| sbalukoff | Of course, if someone wants to tackle that, that's great. I don't want it to obstruct key features. | 20:40 |
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| xgerman | blogan +1 | 20:41 |
| blogan | though i will of course attempt to break some big ones up that come in just to show it can be done or prove that my 99% rule is totally wrong | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | Also, I'd love to see you refactor that in less than 500 lines of change. | 20:41 |
| sbalukoff | Good fucking luck. | 20:41 |
| xgerman | well, I am hoping we can do it in small steps as we touch code and don’t need a big swoop | 20:41 |
| blogan | i think it could be done in a series of 500 lines of code patches | 20:42 |
| dougwig | What color is this shed? :) | 20:42 |
| xgerman | still painting | 20:42 |
| blogan | clear | 20:42 |
| sbalukoff | Right. In the mean time, please don't obstruct my 750-line change because it's basically impossible to split up given the current state of the code tree (if you want, you know, tests written) | 20:42 |
| xgerman | we excluded current patches | 20:42 |
| xgerman | from the new rule | 20:43 |
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| xgerman | so there was a VIP discussion we wanted to have | 20:43 |
| xgerman | blogan? | 20:43 |
| johnsom | New guidelines I think... | 20:43 |
| blogan | oh i was just mentioning that someone wanted vip_port_id to be POSTable | 20:43 |
| blogan | as in someone can create a port first and then give that port_id and that is used to become their VIP | 20:44 |
| blogan | v1 allowed this, but i remember we shot that down in like the first v2 meeting we had here at rackspace | 20:44 |
| TrevorV | pros/cons blogan ? | 20:44 |
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| xgerman | mmh, didn’t we do a patch so users can provide their own VIP | 20:44 |
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| sbalukoff | I'm trying to remember why it was shot down. | 20:44 |
| xgerman | which should address that use case | 20:44 |
| xgerman | that you need a port to get a VIP is just how Neutron is broken | 20:45 |
| blogan | well one reason is probably how do we know if neutron-lbaas created it and if it shoudl be clenaed up or not | 20:45 |
| sbalukoff | Right. | 20:45 |
| sbalukoff | We'd have to store that information on how it was created, which we don't want to do. | 20:45 |
| blogan | yeah | 20:45 |
| TrevorV | The alternative being don't do cleanup... which is worse IMO | 20:46 |
| sbalukoff | I guess we could give the user the option of leaving the VIP alone when the loadbalancer is deleted. | 20:46 |
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| blogan | anotehr is there will be drivers for octavia taht do vip allocation without a neutron port, and that port will just be an unused resource, or we can't use it at all | 20:46 |
| xgerman | well, if the user gives us a VIP we don;t need the port | 20:46 |
| sbalukoff | So, if the user is advanced enough to provide a VIP at loadbalancer creation, they ought to be advanced enough to tell Neutron LBaaS not to clean up the VIP when it's deleted. | 20:46 |
| xgerman | well, we only need to clean up if we allocated a port | 20:47 |
| xgerman | if the user gives us the address ge can clean up his port himself | 20:47 |
| blogan | in this case the user gives us the port | 20:47 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff so like "vip_port_id=IAMID, vip_cleanup=True"? | 20:47 |
| xgerman | blogan and I think we don’t do that and ask him to give us the VIP instead | 20:48 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: something like that, yes. | 20:48 |
| blogan | but there's no discernible difference between a user creating the port an neutron-lbaas creating the port on the user's behalf | 20:48 |
| sbalukoff | thought the default ought to be to clean up the port, IMO. | 20:48 |
| blogan | xgerman: ok well thats already tehre | 20:48 |
| TrevorV | Sure, that'd be fine too sbadia | 20:48 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff | 20:48 |
| TrevorV | (ugh) | 20:48 |
| sbalukoff | strongbadia? | 20:48 |
| xgerman | blogan hence I like it ;-) | 20:48 |
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| blogan | my opinion is to wait and see if that is somethign a lot of people want | 20:49 |
| blogan | instead of one comment made on the etherpad | 20:49 |
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| xgerman | I am inclined to ask them to manage port themselves and just provide VIP | 20:50 |
| sbalukoff | Also, if whoever wants that feature *really* wants it... well, they have access to gerrit / git, too. | 20:50 |
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| johnsom | +1 wait and see if an RFE is filed | 20:50 |
| xgerman | johnsom +1 | 20:50 |
| sbalukoff | +1 | 20:50 |
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| xgerman | we can always mark the RfE as opinion ;-) | 20:50 |
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| xgerman | ok, anything else? | 20:51 |
| * blogan shaves a yak | 20:52 | |
| TrevorV | \o | 20:52 |
| xgerman | #endmeeting | 20:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 4 20:52:40 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-11-04-20.00.html | 20:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-11-04-20.00.txt | 20:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-11-04-20.00.log.html | 20:52 |
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