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| bauzas | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 16 14:01:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bauzas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:01 |
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| edleafe | o/ | 14:02 |
| sudipto | o/ | 14:02 |
| PaulMurray | o/ | 14:02 |
| * PaulMurray synchronized swimming ^^ | 14:02 | |
| bauzas | nice | 14:02 |
| markus_z | o/ | 14:03 |
| bauzas | lxsli: around ? | 14:03 |
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| PaulMurray | hold on | 14:03 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: hola ? | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | I'll nudge him | 14:03 |
| lxsli | o/ | 14:03 |
| bauzas | well, we can start, just trying to see who's around | 14:03 |
| bauzas | okay, we can start | 14:04 |
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| lxsli | congratulations on core bauzas! | 14:04 |
| bauzas | shhhhhtttttttttttttttt | 14:04 |
| * johnthetubaguy is lurking with intent | 14:04 | |
| edleafe | \o/ | 14:04 |
| bauzas | okay, moving on | 14:04 |
| bauzas | #topic last actions | 14:04 |
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| bauzas | so, that shouldn't take too much time but... | 14:05 |
| bauzas | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-11-09-14.00.html | 14:05 |
| bauzas | - bauzas to update https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking | 14:05 |
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| bauzas | well, that has been done by someone else, so thanks to him :) | 14:05 |
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| bauzas | for the moment, we are pretty gathering all stuff, so in case you want to drop something for reviewing, you know where to go | 14:06 |
| bauzas | but we can talk on that right after | 14:07 |
| bauzas | - bauzas to open a low-hanging-fruit for using stevedore with scheduler driver | 14:07 |
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| bauzas | that's done, see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-low-hanging-fruit | 14:07 |
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| bauzas | in case anyone wants to step up, he can sneak peek on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/scheduler-driver-use-stevedore | 14:08 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I guess I should mention it for a specless BP approval ? | 14:08 |
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| lxsli | A Chinese person offered to work on that I think? On the ML | 14:08 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: I'm trying to implement low-hanging-fruit? | 14:08 |
| Yingxin | It's me | 14:08 |
| lxsli | Hi :D | 14:08 |
| Yingxin | o/ | 14:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: yeah, something for that spec etherpad, I can get that approved | 14:09 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I updated https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking to include it in the sched section | 14:09 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: okay, you could ping me offline your launchpad ID, I can put your name on it | 14:10 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: thanks for helping | 14:10 |
| Yingxin | ok np | 14:10 |
| bauzas | ok, moving on | 14:11 |
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| bauzas | - bauzas to write an ML thread about how to step up for the scheduler bits | 14:11 |
| bauzas | that's done | 14:11 |
| bauzas | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078888.html | 14:11 |
| bauzas | voila | 14:11 |
| bauzas | that's it for the last actions | 14:11 |
| bauzas | any questions so far ? | 14:11 |
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| bauzas | guess no, moving on | 14:12 |
| bauzas | #topic bugs | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:12 | |
| bauzas | markus_z: your call | 14:12 |
| markus_z | right, thanks | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | sorry guys, still on calls... and it's 6am here.. need coffee :( | 14:12 |
| markus_z | so, it would be great if you could have a look at these new/incomplete bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.tag=scheduler | 14:13 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I will get updated resource-providers and pci-generate-stats specs up today. | 14:13 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: no worries, life is short and you can read logs :) | 14:13 |
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| markus_z | These 3 bugs need more eyes if they are valid or not. | 14:14 |
| bauzas | markus_z: ouch, pretty old bugs for at least https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1477098 | 14:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1477098 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "When you unshelve an instance, AggregateImagePropertiesIsolation filter doesn't work." [Undecided,New] | 14:14 |
| markus_z | yepp | 14:14 |
| bauzas | I can see one of them being incomplete | 14:14 |
| bauzas | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1498367 | 14:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1498367 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Invalid host found when nova boot" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 14:14 |
| markus_z | yes, I left a comment when I did a triage back then, but there was no response. | 14:15 |
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| markus_z | IMO it's fair to let this one expire. | 14:15 |
| bauzas | markus_z: agreed | 14:15 |
| edleafe | probably fixed already in liberty, no? | 14:16 |
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| edleafe | at least the logging info part | 14:16 |
| bauzas | markus_z: okay, I'll dig into https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1477098 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1510395 | 14:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1477098 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "When you unshelve an instance, AggregateImagePropertiesIsolation filter doesn't work." [Undecided,New] | 14:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1510395 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "resize vm across azs" [Undecided,New] | 14:16 |
| markus_z | bauzas: thanks! | 14:16 |
| bauzas | #action all to bug scrub https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1477098 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1510395 | 14:16 |
| markus_z | That's all from my side | 14:16 |
| bauzas | edleafe: probably, but we can leave the expiry do its work :) | 14:16 |
| bauzas | markus_z: cool, thanks for helping us with the bug triage, really awesome | 14:17 |
| bauzas | #topic blueprints and specs | 14:17 |
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| bauzas | even if we have been identified as a priority, my biggest concern is still to try to get all the main specs approved by M-1 | 14:18 |
| bauzas | not really because of the deadline, but rather because the Code Freeze will be like 2 months from that time | 14:18 |
| bauzas | so, my question is | 14:18 |
| bauzas | except the resource-providers BP that I'll mention later, do we have any other BP that requires review ? | 14:19 |
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| edleafe | Can we talk about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/configurable-resource-tracker | 14:19 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy asked for a spec, but I want to make sure that everyone's on board with this] | 14:19 |
| edleafe | Code-wise it will be a fairly trivial change | 14:20 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: there is a big operator impact, so I'm +1 with mriedem's -2 | 14:20 |
| edleafe | the -2 was simply procedural | 14:20 |
| edleafe | because the bp isn't approved | 14:20 |
| bauzas | edleafe: yup | 14:20 |
| bauzas | edleafe: that's my point | 14:21 |
| edleafe | which is why I want to discuss the bp | 14:21 |
| bauzas | edleafe: I'm +1 with asking for a spec | 14:21 |
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| edleafe | sure, I can write a spec for it | 14:21 |
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| edleafe | but imo, you can't have a pluggable scheduler without it | 14:22 |
| bauzas | edleafe: even if that sounds a trivial change, it means that we'd be enabling a new entrypoint, and I'd love to see some operator's feedback | 14:22 |
| edleafe | sure | 14:22 |
| edleafe | of course, defaults would remain unchanged | 14:22 |
| bauzas | edleafe: that I understood | 14:22 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: I'd pretty be concerned by what could be the pluggable mechanism, given that there is a 2-side mechanism with the Scheduler's HostManager | 14:24 |
| edleafe | #action edleafe to write spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/configurable-resource-tracker | 14:24 |
| bauzas | not sure you can put an action on your name | 14:24 |
| edleafe | bauzas: the host manager is pluggable | 14:24 |
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| edleafe | the only part of the process that isn't is the RT | 14:24 |
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| edleafe | that's the part that writes the data | 14:24 |
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| edleafe | without being able to vary that, you can't use any alternate way of passing resource info to the scheduler | 14:25 |
| bauzas | edleafe: you know that we're working towards removing the Ironic HostManager, right? | 14:25 |
| edleafe | bauzas: sure, but for different reasons | 14:25 |
| edleafe | because the model wasn't right | 14:25 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: agreed, but you see that I could be concerned by what is the plug and how | 14:26 |
| edleafe | bauzas: as you should be | 14:26 |
| bauzas | #action edleafe to write spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/configurable-resource-tracker | 14:26 |
| edleafe | bauzas: but there really cannot be anything to evaluate until it's possible | 14:27 |
| bauzas | edleafe: okay, let's defer that discussion up to the next-to-be spec :) | 14:27 |
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| edleafe | cool | 14:27 |
| bauzas | so, back to the resource-providers BP | 14:27 |
| bauzas | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225546/ | 14:28 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: do you want to address some concerns now, or are you planning to update the spec directly? | 14:28 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: update spec directly. all of your feedback has been very valuable. just need to get the updates done (especially on the REST API impact and solving the numa topology field thing. | 14:29 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: ack, wfm | 14:29 |
| bauzas | okay, we can then move on ? | 14:30 |
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| jaypipes | sure | 14:30 |
| bauzas | #topic open discussion | 14:31 |
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| bauzas | nothing from my side | 14:31 |
| bauzas | well, except that I'd love to see how we could pinpoint any trivial change we'd like to address | 14:32 |
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| edleafe | like what? | 14:32 |
| bauzas | some people expressed interest in contributing to the scheduler codebase, and we know that there are some stuff that could be trivially fixed | 14:32 |
| edleafe | sure, that would be great | 14:33 |
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| bauzas | so I'm thinking of some way to write down my thoughts so it could be a base document for working on | 14:33 |
| edleafe | just wondering what fixes you had in mind | 14:33 |
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| bauzas | for example, how we load the filters | 14:33 |
| bauzas | we're still using nova.loadables thru the nova.filters layer | 14:34 |
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| edleafe | yeah, that would be a good clean-up | 14:34 |
| bauzas | we're also missing some functional test for all filtres | 14:34 |
| bauzas | that, I'm thinking of writing the foundational bits for that, so anyone could contribute | 14:35 |
| Yingxin | would like to see that :) | 14:35 |
| bauzas | documentation about filters and weighters is also highly unsufficient | 14:36 |
| bauzas | I like what the api subteam does by iterating on docs | 14:36 |
| bauzas | for the moment, the only stuff we have is that one-pager http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/filter_scheduler.html | 14:36 |
| bauzas | that's just a docstring for each filter, which doesn't really provide the bits | 14:37 |
| bauzas | like, good luck with using the MetricsWeigher if you don't read code :) | 14:37 |
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| bauzas | #action bauzas to write his thoughts on low-hanging-fruits for Mitaka (filters docs, loadables, functional coverage) | 14:38 |
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| bauzas | okay, sounds a massive plebicite :) | 14:40 |
| bauzas | any other things to share/complain/yell/rant about? | 14:40 |
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| bauzas | fair enough, either I faced a netsplit or I'm more powerful than melatonine | 14:41 |
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| edleafe | or both :) | 14:41 |
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| bauzas | in case anyone suffers from sleeping troubles, lemme know | 14:42 |
| bauzas | calling it a wrap :) | 14:42 |
| bauzas | #endmeeting | 14:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 16 14:42:31 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-11-16-14.01.html | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-11-16-14.01.txt | 14:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-11-16-14.01.log.html | 14:42 |
| edleafe | thanks bauzas | 14:42 |
| bauzas | np | 14:42 |
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| dims | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| dims | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, harlowja, haypo, | 16:00 |
| dims | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps | 16:00 |
| dims | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek, gcb | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 16 16:00:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dims. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka1 | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | yo yo | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 16:00 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:00 |
| gcb | o/ | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | \o | 16:00 |
| amrith | ./ | 16:00 |
| jecarey | o/ | 16:00 |
| nkrinner | hi | 16:00 |
| jimbobhickville | long time listener, first time caller | 16:00 |
| dims | hello everyone | 16:01 |
| dims | jimbobhickville welcome | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:01 |
| dims | let's get started. | 16:02 |
| dims | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:02 | |
| johnsom | Nothing to report in the lbaas/octavia side of the shop. | 16:02 |
| dims | thanks johnsom | 16:02 |
| amrith | nothing from trove, we're trying to integrate oslo.db and consume the last oslo.incubator merge | 16:02 |
| bknudson_ | one red flag is removing support for py26 since as far as I know it wasn't deprecated | 16:02 |
| bknudson_ | but if we're forced to do it we'll do it | 16:03 |
| dims | amrith cool | 16:03 |
| dims | bknudson_ y, we have been talking about it forever, infra is yanking jobs in a week or two | 16:03 |
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| dims | let's come back to it, i have a topic for it | 16:03 |
| dims | #topic Releases for Mitaka | 16:04 |
| dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245465/ | 16:04 |
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| dims | that's the lot i want to get out today, please check the output for http://logs.openstack.org/65/245465/1/check/gate-releases-tox-list-changes/426cf54/ | 16:04 |
| dims | to see what's getting in | 16:04 |
| dims | last week we managed to break a couple of projects with oslo.messaging release | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | :( the locking stuffs right? | 16:05 |
| johnsom | harlowja_at_home does 1.24.0 have our decider fix? | 16:05 |
| dims | my travis setup is green - https://travis-ci.org/dims/ but we'll have to act fast again if if we do | 16:05 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home yes | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244922/ still reviewing so negative, i'll bug people about it to get it in, and after that i guess we can release | 16:06 |
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| johnsom | Ok, thanks. I will give the latest patch a test today too and give you a green light. | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx | 16:07 |
| dims | ok. switching | 16:07 |
| dims | #topic Steps to drop python 2.6 support | 16:07 |
| dims | Steps : fix classifiers, bump major release number | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Steps to drop python 2.6 support (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:07 | |
| dims | big concern is the major version number bump (for Gordon) | 16:08 |
| dims | any other concerns? | 16:08 |
| dims | we have to release first and then python-*client will have to release their versions | 16:08 |
| dims | we'll have to update g-r and u-c after our releases | 16:09 |
| dims | in support of py2.6 | 16:09 |
| johnsom | We dropped 2.6 a long time ago, so no issue from us. | 16:09 |
| dims | that's the tentative plan | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | bye bye 2.6 | 16:09 |
| dims | johnsom ack | 16:09 |
| dims | anyone have other concerns? | 16:10 |
| gcb | just remove some workaround for 2.6 :-) | 16:10 |
| dims | gcb : hold off on that, we need to do that after removing classifiers | 16:10 |
| dims | or at least along with removing classifiers | 16:10 |
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| rpodolyaka1 | are they used by pip? | 16:10 |
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| * harlowja_at_home don't think so, mostly used by pypi for searching (cataloging?) and those pesky humans | 16:11 | |
| rpodolyaka1 | ah, ok | 16:11 |
| dims | gcb : we need to merge the project-config changes to stop running py26 jobs, then merge tox.ini changes and then classifiers and then code | 16:11 |
| dims | and then release | 16:11 |
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| gcb | ok, will hold on them | 16:11 |
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| dims | gcb : you can help file classifier changes if you want to | 16:12 |
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| dims | gcb base them on the tox.ini changs | 16:12 |
| dims | so we know the sequence | 16:12 |
| dims | and tack the code changes at the end of that chain | 16:12 |
| dims | gcb sounds like a plan? | 16:12 |
| gcb | dims, yes, I will | 16:13 |
| dims | yay, looking forward to your stats bump :) | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:13 |
| dims | #topic Steps to cleanup oslo-incubator | 16:13 |
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| dims | so, for oslo-incubator the word is out, i've cleaned up launchpad, marking stuff as wont-fix, | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | step1, the first rule of incubator is u don't talk about incubator | 16:14 |
| dims | filed last sync from oslo-incubator reviews | 16:14 |
| dims | who wants to hunt down projects that have openstack-common.conf and nuke them? | 16:14 |
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| * harlowja_at_home can do that | 16:14 | |
| dims | cool harlowja_at_home - if anyone wants to help harlowja_at_home please chime in | 16:15 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home does not need a pesky stats bump :) | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | that is true | 16:15 |
| dims | :) | 16:15 |
| dims | #topic First doc sprint for Mitaka | 16:15 |
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| dims | is next thu/fri good for everyone? | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | should be for me | 16:16 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home will you be able to send reminders and setup etherpad etc based on last sprint? | 16:16 |
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| harlowja_at_home | dims, this thur or next thur/fri? | 16:16 |
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| harlowja_at_home | just thinking, isn't that thanksgiving in US | 16:16 |
| dims | next week | 16:16 |
| dims | oops right | 16:17 |
| dims | let's do it this week then | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | works for me | 16:17 |
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| dims | ok let's give it a shot. please drop an email to the -dev list? | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | sure | 16:17 |
| dims | thanks harlowja_at_home | 16:18 |
| dims | gcb, you are up next | 16:18 |
| dims | #topic oslo.config enforce_type=True in set_override | 16:18 |
| dims | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/enforce_type_true_by_default | 16:18 |
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| gcb | yes | 16:18 |
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| gcb | you can get details in that link | 16:18 |
| dims | gcb : have you grepped sources to see which projects will have negative effects? | 16:19 |
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| dims | gcb other than nova i mean | 16:19 |
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| gcb | I just POC in Nova and Ironic, they don't work after I make force_type=True | 16:20 |
| gcb | I mean unit test failed | 16:20 |
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| dims | gcb : can you please grep other projects as well, we need to fix them first before we make a chance in oslo.config | 16:21 |
| * harlowja_at_home seems like a right change to me to do (from reading background) | 16:22 | |
| gcb | yes, I have a plan to do that later before we change oslo.config | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | should we also send out mail about that to openstack-dev (just thinking it might help others become aware of the background + solution)? | 16:22 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home ++ | 16:23 |
| gcb | I will send out the mail :-), | 16:23 |
| gcb | oslo_config: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243001/ this blocks consuming projects clean up | 16:23 |
| dims | thanks gcb | 16:23 |
| dims | gcb ack will review after the meeting | 16:23 |
| gcb | dims thanks | 16:23 |
| dims | #topic everyone based in europe safe? | 16:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "everyone based in europe safe? (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:24 | |
| dims | jd__ : flaper87 ping | 16:24 |
| gcb | jd just reviewed my code ：-） | 16:25 |
| dims | gcb yes, have seen his tweets as well. my thoughts and prayers to everyone there | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | def +3 | 16:26 |
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| dims | #topic Open discussion | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:26 | |
| dims | Any stuck reviews? or specs? | 16:26 |
| jd__ | :) | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | soooo https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198914/ is somewhat stuck, i made an etherpad listing all the changes and dates they were deprecated but i can't find the etherpad right now so maybe i can just explain :-P | 16:27 |
| dims | ozamiatin toabctl kgiusti nkrinner jimbobhickville : anything to add? :) | 16:27 |
| toabctl | nope :) | 16:27 |
| ozamiatin | dims: nothing from my side) | 16:27 |
| nkrinner | nkrinner: no, thanks | 16:27 |
| * kgiusti seriously needs to be cloned - getting back to bugs | 16:27 | |
| kgiusti | nope | 16:27 |
| jimbobhickville | I'd like to go through the taskflow blueprints and close down any of the "wontfix" ones. There's a bit of clutter there. Anyone want to join me in that effort? | 16:28 |
| dims | jimbobhickville ++ | 16:28 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so the jist of that is, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198914/ removes a bunch of deprecated stuff that was slotted for removal in 2.0, and lifeless brought up the point that nothing should be removed until its been deprecated for 3 cycles (1.5 years?) sooooo, i listed the lenght of time thoses current things existed in that etherpad and some is less than 1.6 years | 16:28 |
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| harlowja_at_home | buuuuut then it was like its a 2.0 release, sooooo, its not like imho 3 cycles should be required (semantic versioning and all allows for this stuff to happen)) | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | anyways, thoughts welcome :) | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | jimbobhickville, since i may have made the clutter i guess i can't volunteer :-P | 16:29 |
| jimbobhickville | lol, I'll probably just bug you before I close anything, just to make sure | 16:30 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home if you can get some ack(s) from people using taskflow, that would be great | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | sure | 16:30 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home that will help shorten the time line | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, 1.x can also remain like bug-fix or whatever | 16:30 |
| jimbobhickville | we're good with it, fwiw. we pin to exact versions and don't upgrade until we test the new version | 16:30 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home right | 16:30 |
| dims | jimbobhickville good practice anyway :) | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, but i'll ping some folks, i know lifeless had some concerns about 3 cycle policy and all that (1.5 years seems like alot, lol) | 16:31 |
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| dims | jimbobhickville mostly it's other openstack projects that follow global requirements we end up breaking as we dont pin for unit tests | 16:31 |
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| dims | harlowja_at_home that's something we can take to the cross project meeting agenda | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | other reviewww that is interesting and will likely need supporting help (beyond just code) | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245362/ | 16:32 |
| dims | jd__ glad to hear from you | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | WIP : Add Consul Driver | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | as others know that one will be more than just code and SpamapS rightly mentioned that there | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | ' Also this is going to need support in devstack (to spin up consul instead of zookeeper) so we can get a devstack run to pass with consul present and configured instead of zookeeper. ' .... | 16:33 |
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| jd__ | I'm working on the etcd driver | 16:33 |
| jd__ | dims: yeah thanks :) | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | sooo if others have thoughts about what might be needed for that review to fully function (And/or code reviews) i'm sure vilobh would appreciate it | 16:33 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home which one...etcd or consul would be better able to implement all the tooz functionality? | 16:34 |
| dims | jd__ ^^ | 16:34 |
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| dims | theoretically | 16:34 |
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| jd__ | I think it's more or less the same, no? | 16:34 |
| jd__ | they have the same limitation I'd say though I don't know Consul extensively | 16:34 |
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| harlowja_at_home | dims, unsure, both are capable, but i don't know the specifics of each to know exactly what will be missing when putting under the tooz apis | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | both don't have the zookeeper concept of sequenced nodes, so that makes fair locking and stuff hard | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | which makes things like fair read-writer/shared locks hard... | 16:35 |
| dims | harlowja_at_home jd__ ok | 16:35 |
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| harlowja_at_home | and projects like ironic (i think want that kind of locking) | 16:35 |
| dims | so still experiments... harlowja_at_home looks like you will need some libraries in g-r? | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, correct | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | eventually | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | once experiemnts more flushed out | 16:36 |
| dims | ok | 16:36 |
| dims | jd__ etcd need any g-r updates? | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | looks like its probably just all ontop of requests | 16:37 |
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| dims | ok | 16:37 |
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| dims | let's revisit tooz stuff next week. | 16:37 |
| dims | any other topics, questions... | 16:37 |
| dims | going twice | 16:38 |
| dims | thanks everyone, hope to see you all in the doc sprint or next meeting | 16:38 |
| dims | #endmeeting | 16:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 16 16:38:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-11-16-16.00.html | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-11-16-16.00.txt | 16:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-11-16-16.00.log.html | 16:38 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 16 19:00:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: refstack)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
| catherineD | roll call | 19:00 |
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| pvaneck | o/ | 19:02 |
| catherineD | pvaneck: hi | 19:03 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-11-16 | 19:04 |
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| pvaneck | not too many people today. Should we proceed on regardless? | 19:07 |
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| catherineD | sure let me send out an email to remind everyone | 19:08 |
| catherineD | Let's start | 19:09 |
| catherineD | #topic Refstack and subunit data | 19:09 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 19:09 |
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| catherineD | hogepodge: hi .. we are about to discuss subunit data upload .. | 19:10 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, \ https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-11-16 | 19:10 |
| catherineD | basically for the short term refstack-client need to provide this options ... the discussion is on what should be used for CPID | 19:11 |
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| catherineD | lookin at the agenda, I list 3 options there 1) refstack to create 2) user input 3) user to provide tempest.conf , refstack fetches the keystone url and then hash it | 19:13 |
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| pvaneck | i think just hashing the endpoint url is fine for most cases | 19:14 |
| catherineD | none of the options is perfect in the sense that it will provide a unique CPID for each cloud | 19:14 |
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| hogepodge | pvaneck: that's the best option, and the one I prefer | 19:14 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: something is better than nothing | 19:14 |
| catherineD | ok done | 19:14 |
| pvaneck | agreed | 19:14 |
| catherineD | #agreed refstack-client will use the hash of endpoint url as CPID | 19:15 |
| catherineD | for that do we ask the user to input url or we will get it from tempest.conf | 19:16 |
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| catherineD | I kind of like tempest,conf so we do not need to worry about format checking .. | 19:16 |
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| pvaneck | in the case of testing, it will already have the tempest.conf. In the case of uploading, I can see it going both ways | 19:17 |
| pvaneck | hmm | 19:17 |
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| catherineD | I would prefer consistency between test and upload | 19:18 |
| pvaneck | when we say hashing the endpoint, is this just as a fallback for if the identity endpoint isnt available? | 19:18 |
| pvaneck | are we still going to try getting it from keystone? | 19:18 |
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| catherineD | pvaneck: yes for the case of test we only using url hash for the case we can not get the keystone service id ... for the case of upload that is the only way .. | 19:19 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 19:20 |
| davidlenwell | I'm lurking .. but in another meeting thats almost finished | 19:20 |
| catherineD | davidlenwell: sure link to the agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-11-16 | 19:21 |
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| hogepodge | pvaneck: I can confirm with at least one public cloud cpid isn't available, but keystone is the way to go | 19:21 |
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| hogepodge | pvaneck: although, it might be nice to have the option to hash the endpoint. I've been running defcore against a test cloud of mine and the cpid changes every time I stand it up, but the endpoint doesn't | 19:22 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: Daryl also points out that it is not available for RackSpace public cloud ... | 19:22 |
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| davidlenwell | but aren't they not running kekystone are they? | 19:23 |
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| hogepodge | pvaneck: so it would be a way to have consistency across my test instances, but I'm saving relevant results so it's not a big deal | 19:23 |
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| catherineD | davidlenwell: not sure whether they are not running keystone or it is their policy not to expose the id ... | 19:24 |
| dwalleck | Sorry, I keep getting this time messed up | 19:24 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: How about your test that could not get CPID ... is the cloud running keystone? I thnk they must have to pass DefCore test | 19:24 |
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| pvaneck | hmm, would have to think about implementation. Right now it would be easiest to just hash the endpoint if the identity service id was unable to be retrived. | 19:25 |
| davidlenwell | that was sort of what I was getting at | 19:25 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: it's gets the cpid, it just changes every time I redeploy it | 19:25 |
| catherineD | dwalleck: hey ... just in time ... we are taling about CPID and RackSpace cloud | 19:25 |
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| dwalleck | From the context I thought you might be | 19:25 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: ok then that go the to fundamental issue that keystone service id may not be the parameter we should use | 19:26 |
| catherineD | tailing --> talking :-) | 19:26 |
| dwalleck | We're using an old Keystone v2-like Identity API, but the plan as I understand it is to roll to Keystone v3 "soon" | 19:27 |
| catherineD | dwalleck: do you have any issue in getting CPID for the RackSpace public cloud? | 19:27 |
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| davidlenwell | well thats just it.. its keystone v2 "like" and not actually keystone v2 | 19:28 |
| davidlenwell | so currently they wouldn't pass the defcore tests | 19:28 |
| catherineD | ic | 19:28 |
| dwalleck | catherineD: How is the CPID generated? And is it returned with Keystone v2 by default? | 19:28 |
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| catherineD | currently CPID is the keystone endpoint id (v2) or keystone service id (v3)... | 19:29 |
| dwalleck | I mostly deal with Nova at Rackspace, but these are questions I can pass along my Identity counterparts | 19:30 |
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| hogepodge | dwalleck: yeah, it's worth noting that keystone became a designated section a few months ago (meaning you have to run upstream keystone code for powered license) | 19:30 |
| catherineD | at this meeting we are proposing that if refstack-client can not get the CPID it will generate one by hashing the keystone url | 19:30 |
| davidlenwell | I like that idea catherineD | 19:31 |
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| dwalleck | hodgepodge: Totally understand. No one will be happier than I am once we've migrated to Keystone v3 | 19:31 |
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| catherineD | great ... and in the short term refstack-client will provide option to upload data with subunit format data input ... this is in addition to the current JSON format ... | 19:32 |
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| catherineD | that is refstack-client will generate the JSON format data of pass tests only and send to RefStack server .... subunit data is not sent to the server ... | 19:34 |
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| catherineD | that get us to the next topic ... | 19:34 |
| catherineD | #topic Long term -- should RefStack server accept subunit data format? | 19:35 |
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| davidlenwell | catherineD: I think that it should | 19:35 |
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| pvaneck | same | 19:35 |
| davidlenwell | it can scrub it without processing the content and just drop sensitive data before its parsed | 19:35 |
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| catherineD | but subunit data will contain fail data and may be sensitive content | 19:36 |
| davidlenwell | it doesn't have to be written to a disk | 19:36 |
| davidlenwell | it can be srubed in memory before being parsed | 19:36 |
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| catherineD | how big should the memory be? | 19:36 |
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| catherineD | keep in mind that we encourage testing of all API test .... > 1600 test cases ... | 19:37 |
| catherineD | with all the log ... | 19:37 |
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| davidlenwell | I don't know.. but thats still not going to be bigger then a few megabytes though right? | 19:37 |
| catherineD | not sure but I can take a look and we can revisit later... | 19:37 |
| catherineD | but it is a subject worth to discuss for long term .. | 19:38 |
| davidlenwell | sure.. maybe look at how large the files are.. I don't think they are really that large | 19:38 |
| catherineD | #action Catherine to investigate the size of subunit data | 19:38 |
| davidlenwell | if it took up much space my vm I use for testing would have run out of disk space a long time ago | 19:39 |
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| catherineD | davidlenwell: so fare we only send JSON which is very small ... | 19:39 |
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| davidlenwell | yeah .. but file size wasn't the reason we chose to pre-parse and submit json | 19:40 |
| catherineD | davidlenwell: yeah mostly because DefCore only wants us to accept pass data per board;s decision | 19:40 |
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| catherineD | see the IRC log of DefCore meeting on 2015/11/11: DefCore agreed that only pass tests are sent to RefStack server. | 19:41 |
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| davidlenwell | ahh.. well that does change things a little | 19:41 |
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| catherineD | yup any way we can evaluate from technical point of view ... but final decision will be on DefCore | 19:42 |
| catherineD | moving on ... | 19:42 |
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| catherineD | #topic High priority bugs | 19:42 |
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| catherineD | #link Login issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/refstack/+bug/1504691 , https://bugs.launchpad.net/refstack/+bug/1514290 | 19:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1504691 in refstack "First login with OpenStackID is wonky" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Catherine Diep (cdiep) | 19:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1514290 in refstack "Occasional Internal Server error when trying to log in" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Paul Van Eck (pvaneck-z) | 19:43 |
| catherineD | The After pvaneck: 's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242919/ ... login logout issues seem to be fixed .. | 19:44 |
| pvaneck | yea login should finally be stable | 19:44 |
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| catherineD | Rocky opened this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/refstack/+bug/1504691 ... so I will check with her and close it | 19:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1504691 in refstack "First login with OpenStackID is wonky" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Catherine Diep (cdiep) | 19:46 |
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| catherineD | next high priority bug | 19:46 |
| catherineD | #link RefStack should allow associating specific capabilities targets https://bugs.launchpad.net/refstack/+bug/1477392 | 19:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1477392 in refstack "RefStack should allow associating specific capabilities targets" [High,Confirmed] | 19:46 |
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| catherineD | right now a test was displayed at RefStack server ... we do not know which DefCore guideline the test is intented to be tested with .. | 19:47 |
| catherineD | we would like to add tag to the test ... | 19:48 |
| catherineD | do we agree that this is a high priority item? | 19:48 |
| pvaneck | that would just be metadata associated with the test | 19:48 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: are you interesting in having this feature? | 19:49 |
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| dwalleck | since capabilities are mapped to test ids, isn't that something we could sort out with the data we have already? | 19:49 |
| davidlenwell | I think we can | 19:50 |
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| davidlenwell | dwalleck: | 19:50 |
| catherineD | yeah as stated by pvaneck: it is a matter of adding metadata ... | 19:51 |
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| catherineD | but that means that the UI need to provide that display/option to add meta data ... | 19:51 |
| catherineD | I was just wondering whether this should be priority while we have other items to work on with the limited developers we have | 19:52 |
| davidlenwell | I've always wanted to create tools for reporting on the data in different ways.. | 19:52 |
| catherineD | davidlenwell: so this should not be a high priroty item for now? | 19:53 |
| davidlenwell | I dont know about high.. but I think its worth doing .. | 19:54 |
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| catherineD | #action Revisit bug RefStack should allow associating specific capabilities targets https://bugs.launchpad.net/refstack/+bug/1477392 in the next meeting | 19:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1477392 in refstack "RefStack should allow associating specific capabilities targets" [High,Confirmed] | 19:54 |
| catherineD | 6 mins left ,... let's get to the next topic | 19:55 |
| catherineD | #topic High priority patches | 19:55 |
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| catherineD | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245007/ ( Address regression and strengthen cpid checks) | 19:55 |
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| catherineD | could you please review that patch? I have tested it ... | 19:56 |
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| catherineD | refstack-client is currently not operational without this patch ... | 19:56 |
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| pvaneck | right, with this patch, it should also be easy to add the fallback cpid mechanism of hashing an endpoint | 19:57 |
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| catherineD | davidlenwell: could you please review .... | 19:57 |
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| catherineD | #topic Open discussion | 19:58 |
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| davidlenwell | yes.. I'll review now | 19:58 |
| catherineD | in 2 mins :-) | 19:58 |
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| catherineD | davidlenwell: THANK YOU!!! | 19:58 |
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| catherineD | davidlenwell: pvaneck: dwalleck: hogepodge: Thank you very much!!! That is all the time we have for this week! | 19:59 |
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| catherineD | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 16 19:59:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-11-16-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-11-16-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-11-16-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: I think current tempest may have bugs related to locking accounts | 20:00 |
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| hogepodge | catherineD: by current I mean refstack-client installed | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 16 20:00:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
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| notmyname | here | 20:00 |
| jvrbanac | sort o/ | 20:00 |
| elmiko | o/ | 20:00 |
| silos1 | \o/ | 20:00 |
| edtubill | o/ | 20:00 |
| jrichli | o/ | 20:00 |
| jvrbanac | sorta o/ | 20:00 |
| jvrbanac | lol | 20:00 |
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| diazjf | o/ | 20:00 |
| rellerreller | o/ | 20:01 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:01 |
| jkf | o/ | 20:01 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | as usual, the agenda can be found here: | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:01 |
| jmckind | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | a good amount of barbicaneers here! :) | 20:01 |
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| redrobot | #topic Action Items from last meeting | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-11-09-20.00.html | 20:02 |
| redrobot | kfarr so I asked the Release Managers about the Mitaka-1 release | 20:02 |
| redrobot | kfarr apparently they will be changing the previous process (ping the ptl and ask) with a newer process that sends a patch to openstack/releases | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | kfarr there should be more information coming on the ML | 20:03 |
| kfarr | redrobot, ok! | 20:03 |
| redrobot | (or maybe already there... I haven't checked the ML) | 20:03 |
| redrobot | kfarr basically one Patch with the SHA for the release to openstack/releases | 20:04 |
| redrobot | kfarr and then one more patch to openstack/barbican to bump the version | 20:04 |
| kfarr | redrobot, sounds reasonable | 20:04 |
| redrobot | kfarr so you're on-board for releasing Mitaka-1 while I'm gone??? :D | 20:04 |
| spotz | o/ late:) | 20:04 |
| kfarr | redrobot, sure! | 20:04 |
| * elmiko gasps | 20:04 | |
| elmiko | ;) | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #info kfarr will be handling the Mitaka-1 release | 20:05 |
| redrobot | kfarr thanks! you rock! | 20:05 |
| kfarr | that's just barbican and not python-barbicanclient, right? | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | next, I had an action to look at diazjf use cases for Federation... which I did not get to :( | 20:05 |
| redrobot | kfarr correct, only Barbican needs to be released during the Mitaka-1 release week | 20:05 |
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| edtubill | we have added use case diagrams to the barbican federation etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-federation-use-cases | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | kfarr also be sure to mention in the CR that you're the official release person for that release, so they know it's coming from the right source. | 20:06 |
| diazjf | edtubill, silos1, can you please post the links to the usecases | 20:06 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:07 |
| kfarr | redrobot, got it! | 20:07 |
| redrobot | diazjf oh nice... looks like there's more stuff there for us to look at | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | #action redrobot to review updated Federation usecases https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-federation-use-cases | 20:07 |
| redrobot | diazjf I'll send these to Joe for comments as well | 20:08 |
| diazjf | redrobot, sounds good! | 20:08 |
| redrobot | ok, that's it for action items | 20:08 |
| redrobot | on to today's agenda | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | #topic Barbican Federation Use-Cases Detailed Overview | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | diazjf assuming it's the same link as above? | 20:09 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-federation-use-cases | 20:09 |
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| diazjf | redrobot, yup same one | 20:09 |
| redrobot | diazjf anything to discuss now, or should we revisit next meeting after everyone gets a chance to review the updated etherpad? | 20:10 |
| rellerreller | Is it ok to leave comments there, or should we do that some place else? | 20:10 |
| rellerreller | Or wait for discussion? | 20:11 |
| edtubill | rellerreller:feel free to leave comments there | 20:11 |
| diazjf | redrobot, I would like everyone to have an understanding of the usecases before review, edtubill, silos1 anything else. | 20:11 |
| redrobot | edtubill +1 comments in etherpad | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | diazjf sounds good, I'll move on to the next topic then | 20:12 |
| silos1 | nope. I think we covered everything for federation. | 20:12 |
| diazjf | also put your irc_name in front of the comment :) | 20:12 |
| redrobot | #info everyone please review the federation use cases | 20:12 |
| redrobot | #topic Castellan Authentication compatibility for Swift | 20:13 |
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| diazjf | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swifjt-keymaster-with-castellan | 20:13 |
| redrobot | So diazjf notmyname and I were talking about this a bit on the barbican channel last week. | 20:13 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swifjt-keymaster-with-castellan | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | Swift is most commonly used with non-Keystone authentication | 20:14 |
| diazjf | redrobot, I added my "thoughts" section as to what I think should be done to solve this challenge. | 20:15 |
| notmyname | I think that's a red herring, actually | 20:15 |
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| rellerreller | notmyname which part is a red herring? | 20:15 |
| notmyname | the auth system that the end-user uses doesn't/shouldn't matter, at least for the first iteration of the crypto functionality we're building | 20:15 |
| redrobot | notmyname agreed. Barbican does not necessarily need to have the same Auth system | 20:16 |
| redrobot | especially if swift clients won't have access to the Barbican instance | 20:16 |
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| notmyname | ie we need swift itself to be authorized to get secrets, not the end user. phrased differently, swift owns the secrets | 20:16 |
| notmyname | at least in the first iteration of the feature ;-) | 20:17 |
| redrobot | So the main question is how does Swift authenticate to Barbican? ... The key point here is that whatever credentials are used to auth to Barbican will be stored as the owner of the keys | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | so for the first iteration, where Swift owns all keys, Swift would only need a single set of credentials to auth to Barbican | 20:17 |
| arunkant | notmyname..so all secrets are owned by a single tenant/account. So no multi-tenancy support is needed ? | 20:18 |
| alee | notmyname, does swift have a service user? | 20:18 |
| diazjf | redrobot, correct, I was thinking of using a username/password to authenticate to Barbican. That way swift can have it stored in the conf or wherever and pass that to castellan. | 20:18 |
| notmyname | arunkant: it's orthogonal. swift still has multi-tenancy support | 20:18 |
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| rellerreller | Should we assume that Keystone does not exist? | 20:19 |
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| notmyname | diazjf: one reason I like that idea is the ease of testing | 20:19 |
| rellerreller | Or at least that Keystone is optional? | 20:19 |
| diazjf | rellerreller, correct. Most swift deployments dont use keystone | 20:19 |
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| notmyname | alee: maybe? I'm not sure how that's defined | 20:19 |
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| redrobot | alee I think service user is a devstack (or keystone) concept... | 20:20 |
| rellerreller | Would it be fair to say there are two use cases. 1) Swift can authenticate to Keystone and auth as usual to Barbican. 2) Swift cannot authenticate to Keystone (does not exist) and must authenticate directly to Barbican | 20:20 |
| rellerreller | ^ ? | 20:20 |
| redrobot | rellerreller that sounds about right. | 20:21 |
| notmyname | rellerreller: likely, but case 2 will also be the case for testing (ideally) | 20:21 |
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| rellerreller | notmyname I do not understand what you mean for the case for testing. | 20:21 |
| redrobot | An MVP for Case 2 would require a new middleware that sits in front of Barbican that can provide Authentication. | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller I think they would prefer to test without Keystone | 20:22 |
| rellerreller | oh | 20:22 |
| alee | notmyname, redrobot right - and can provide the types of things that a keystone token would provide | 20:22 |
| notmyname | yeah, that's all. testing is simpler the less external dependencies have to be managed ;-) | 20:22 |
| diazjf | redrobot, correct, I am fully supportive of making a new auth middleware for Barbican :) | 20:23 |
| rellerreller | +1 | 20:23 |
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| redrobot | alee yup... basically sit in front of Barbican, process Auth using X system, if auth succeeds then add X-Project-Id, X-Roles, and whatever else X-Headers we need | 20:23 |
| alee | +1 -- and then the secrets could either all be owned by the switft user - or that user could be added to the acl for the secrets | 20:23 |
| alee | yup | 20:24 |
| notmyname | redrobot: diazjf: user/pass or shared secret + HMAC or whatever | 20:24 |
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| redrobot | I think we're all in agreement about that piece of the puzzle | 20:24 |
| redrobot | so the next question is how Castellan actually handles the authentication piece | 20:24 |
| notmyname | now that's I'm sitting here thinking about it again, I'm wondering if it's the best idea after all | 20:25 |
| redrobot | the current interface assumes that there will be an instance of oslo.context that can be used by whatever implementation to build the required auth objects | 20:25 |
| redrobot | notmyname if by "best" you mean "easy to implement", then yes. :) | 20:25 |
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| arunkant | so will this be two step..first authenticate to external auth..and then use that authenticated data (token in keystone world) to make call to barbican ? | 20:26 |
| notmyname | redrobot: the concerns from the swift side are that the creds passed to barbican are decoupled from any end-user | 20:26 |
| notmyname | redrobot: and that, at least with castellan, it would be *nice* to not require keystone if it's not using barbican | 20:26 |
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| notmyname | redrobot: and that for tests we can fairly easily sub out auth | 20:27 |
| notmyname | *stub | 20:27 |
| rellerreller | notmyname the goal of castellan is not to depend on Keystone or any other authentication scheme. | 20:27 |
| rellerreller | The intent of the "context" parameter is to be a generic blob that is passed to a KeyManager. | 20:27 |
| notmyname | but if a deployer is using barbican and encrypting stuff in swift, it makes sense to use keystone to manage the auth between them | 20:28 |
| rellerreller | The KeyManager is then responsible for knowing how to handle the blob. | 20:28 |
| diazjf | rellerreller, Keystone is currently required in the barbican-keymanager | 20:28 |
| redrobot | rellerreller I don't like that definition of "context" | 20:28 |
| notmyname | rellerreller: the KeyManager is on the castellan side, right? | 20:28 |
| notmyname | jrichli: did what I just say make sense? | 20:28 |
| rellerreller | barbican-keymanager may require it but not all key managers should require it. | 20:28 |
| redrobot | rellerreller it's very specific to the implementation, and I would prefer that it be a well-defined object, such that any impl can use it. | 20:28 |
| rellerreller | notmyname yes it is on castellan side | 20:29 |
| jrichli | notmyname: still processing | 20:29 |
| redrobot | maybe I'm missing something... in my mind "generic blob" != well defined | 20:29 |
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| rellerreller | redrobot the problem is that some schemes may not be known and generic for all key managers | 20:29 |
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| rellerreller | for instance what about kerberos tickets or some custom signed messages or something. | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | This is why I was suggesting that maybe Castellan needs to define Auth objects... sort of similar to KMIP Credential objects | 20:30 |
| rellerreller | I think the key manager impls will have to look at the blob and say something like if instance of keystone token then do this; else if instance of .. do this; else I don't know what to do raise exception. | 20:31 |
| jrichli | redrobot: +1 | 20:31 |
| elmiko | redrobot: an interesting thought | 20:31 |
| rellerreller | redrobot I think we are saying the same thing. | 20:31 |
| rellerreller | redrobot I'm suggesting the top level object be a generic blob. | 20:31 |
| notmyname | perhaps. I think my concern isn't that keystone is used for a particular config (ie castellan to barbican). just that keystone might have been required in every use case | 20:31 |
| rellerreller | Then subclasses for username/password, keystone token, etc. | 20:31 |
| redrobot | rellerreller ah yes... seems we're in violent agreement ;) | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | notmyname I'm not opposed to having multiple Barbican implementations of Castellan | 20:32 |
| rellerreller | Then I see Barbican key manager say if KeystoneContext then send directly to Barbican; else if PasswordContext take out username/password and pass to barbican; else raise error | 20:33 |
| rellerreller | And for KMIP KeyManager it does something similar by mapping to the KMIP objects for authentication | 20:33 |
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| rellerreller | You should not need multiple implementations of Barbican | 20:33 |
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| kfarr | but if I'm following correctly, barbican would currently only accept a "keystonecontext" right? | 20:34 |
| rellerreller | kfarr yes, but it would not take much to change it | 20:34 |
| kfarr | Ok just trying to keep straight what is being proposed and what is currently implemented | 20:35 |
| rellerreller | We could write a helper method to transform the Castellan context object into something that can be used by python-barbicanclient | 20:35 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller sure, a smar impl that can conditionally use Keystone would work | 20:36 |
| redrobot | *smart | 20:36 |
| redrobot | rellerreller I think we need to better define the context object | 20:36 |
| rellerreller | agreed | 20:37 |
| rellerreller | I think a smart implementation for KMIP impl is needed as well | 20:37 |
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| diazjf | redrobot, rellerreller, So what we have now as an acceptable solution is to do the following? | 20:37 |
| diazjf | 1.) username/password middleware for Barbican | 20:37 |
| diazjf | 2.) Castellan checks context and decides how to perform auth | 20:37 |
| rellerreller | I do not foresee a KMIP device knowing how to handle keystone tokens in the near future but could later | 20:37 |
| notmyname | I feel like I should be arguing that barbican (the project) not reimplement auth ;-) | 20:38 |
| rellerreller | diazjf 2. Barbican KM in Castellan (just trying to clarify) | 20:38 |
| diazjf | rellerreller, correct | 20:38 |
| rellerreller | ok, making sure we are on the same page. | 20:38 |
| rellerreller | notmyname one of my questions was how swift is doing this | 20:38 |
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| rellerreller | Is there a library that can be reused? | 20:39 |
| notmyname | for what? different auth implementations? | 20:39 |
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| rellerreller | notmyname yes | 20:39 |
| redrobot | diazjf There's a ton of different ways to achieve 1 ... still not sure we need to provide any/all possiblities with Barbican. | 20:40 |
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| notmyname | no. auth is done in swift via middleware that conforms to a protocol. swift ships with an auth middleware for testing and a keystone auth middleware. if deployers want something else, they can find or write a different one | 20:40 |
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| rellerreller | notmyname why can we not apply that same scheme to barbican? | 20:41 |
| notmyname | I suppose you could. I'm not familiar enough with your design to know how or if that would work | 20:42 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller we have a different auth story... Swift uses callbacks provided by the middlware... we strictly require the request headers provided by keystonemiddlware. | 20:42 |
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| rellerreller | interesting | 20:42 |
| notmyname | redrobot: close. the middleware can look at whatever headers it wants and does provide a callback. but it's not callbacks vs headers | 20:43 |
| redrobot | diazjf is this helping move your spec forward? | 20:43 |
| diazjf | redrobot yes, I will update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241068/ | 20:43 |
| * redrobot only knows about Swift auth from previous discussions | 20:43 | |
| diazjf | I would really like this feature in the M release :) | 20:43 |
| redrobot | so for now, it seems we need to 1. better define the Context object in Castellan | 20:44 |
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| redrobot | and 2. possibly provide a sample non-keystone auth middleware. | 20:44 |
| redrobot | diazjf do you want to work on both of those? | 20:44 |
| diazjf | redrobot, Yes | 20:45 |
| redrobot | #action diazjf to write blueprint to better define Context in Castellan | 20:45 |
| redrobot | #action diazjf to write a non-keystone auth middleware for Barbican | 20:45 |
| redrobot | ok, good discussions y'all | 20:45 |
| redrobot | still got a few topics, hopefully we can get through those in 15 min. | 20:46 |
| redrobot | #topic Barbican Garbage Collector | 20:46 |
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| edtubill | for this topic I just wanted to ask people to review my spec/blue print | 20:46 |
| edtubill | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243806/ | 20:46 |
| redrobot | whose topic is this? | 20:46 |
| edtubill | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican/+spec/barbican-cron-job-garbage-collector-for-database | 20:46 |
| edtubill | redrobot: mine, I forgot to put my name on the agenda | 20:47 |
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| edtubill | and I also wanted to ask when it would be okay to start working on it, or should I wait till the blue print gets accepted? | 20:47 |
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| redrobot | edtubill up to you... the risk in working on impl before the spec is accepted is that it may change, thus forcing you to re-work the impl | 20:48 |
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| redrobot | regarding the "to be discussed" section in L65-68 | 20:49 |
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| redrobot | I think all questions go back to the Soft vs. Hard dilemma | 20:50 |
| redrobot | In previous discussions I think the general consensus is that it should be configurable per deployment | 20:50 |
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| redrobot | for example, at Rackspace, we may want soft deletes to provide "fanatical undelete" ... so you could call one of our support reps and get your key back. | 20:51 |
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| redrobot | but some other deployer may have a compliance regime that requires them to really delete a key when you ask for a delete operation | 20:51 |
| redrobot | edtubill does that make sense? | 20:52 |
| edtubill | redrobot, yes that makes sense. | 20:52 |
| redrobot | edtubill anything else to discuss now, or just wait for more reviews? | 20:52 |
| edtubill | I can wait for more reviews. lets get on to the next topic | 20:53 |
| redrobot | #topic Creating a castellan-specs repo | 20:53 |
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| edtubill | thanks for the input. I'll add it to the spec. | 20:53 |
| redrobot | silos1 what benefits would we get from a separate repo as opposed to having a /castellan directory in barbican-specs for example? | 20:53 |
| silos1 | Hmm In my head it just made sense because we are adding features in castellan that don't really have any dependency on barbican. Like a key_manager interface for kmip. | 20:54 |
| redrobot | #vote Should Castellan specs be tracked in barbican-specs or not? | 20:55 |
| redrobot | derp | 20:55 |
| redrobot | #startvote Should Castellan specs be tracked in barbican-specs or not? | 20:55 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Should Castellan specs be tracked in barbican-specs or not? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 20:55 |
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| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 20:55 |
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| redrobot | to clarify "Yes" means we track in barbican-specs | 20:56 |
| redrobot | "No" vote means we should have a castellan-specs repo | 20:56 |
| rellerreller | #vote yes | 20:56 |
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| elmiko | #vote yes | 20:56 |
| arunkant | #vote yes | 20:56 |
| kfarr | #vote yes | 20:56 |
| rellerreller | That means put it under a castellan folder? | 20:56 |
| elmiko | rellerreller: yes | 20:56 |
| silos1 | #vote no :( | 20:56 |
| edtubill | #vote No | 20:56 |
| woodster_ | rellerreller: kfarr do we expect many more changes to castellan? | 20:57 |
| kfarr | oh wait | 20:57 |
| redrobot | rellerreller yes, a castellan directory ... posbilly with mitaka/ etc directories underneath | 20:57 |
| woodster_ | if we do expect many more changes, then I vote 'yes' | 20:57 |
| rellerreller | Either way is fine with me. | 20:57 |
| redrobot | #vote yes | 20:58 |
| * woodster_ but I doubt many more are needed :) | 20:58 | |
| kfarr | Well, this generic authentication is one upcoming big one | 20:58 |
| kfarr | potentially | 20:58 |
| redrobot | #endvote | 20:58 |
| openstack | Voted on "Should Castellan specs be tracked in barbican-specs or not?" Results are | 20:58 |
| elmiko | kfarr: agreed | 20:58 |
| rellerreller | woodster_ why would more changes make you want it in Barbican? I would have thought the other way. | 20:58 |
| woodster_ | rellerreller: many more changes would be better in a sep repo | 20:58 |
| * redrobot is in suspense waiting for vote results | 20:58 | |
| redrobot | I think our voting bot broke :( | 20:59 |
| rellerreller | oh, I guess I misread that. My mistake. | 20:59 |
| woodster_ | I voted yes to a new repo if lots of changes still coming, no other wise | 20:59 |
| diazjf | kfarr, already put the spec in Barbican :) | 20:59 |
| elmiko | if things get crazy active with castellan specs, nothing precludes moving it out to its own space though... right? | 20:59 |
| redrobot | in any case... it looks like we should continue to track in barbican-specs unless it becomes a problem | 20:59 |
| woodster_ | do we think castellan is stable | 20:59 |
| rellerreller | woodster_ yes means no in this case :) | 20:59 |
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| redrobot | elmiko looks like we won't have time for your topic :( | 20:59 |
| silos1 | redrobot: ok. just wanted to clear up where to keep the specs. | 20:59 |
| woodster_ | like those proposition votes at election time! | 20:59 |
| elmiko | redrobot: nutz... | 21:00 |
| kfarr | woodster_, what do you mean by stable? | 21:00 |
| rellerreller | I think there will be more changes; context, barbican authentication, kmip impl | 21:00 |
| woodster_ | i think we are out of time :\ | 21:00 |
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| rellerreller | I have to run | 21:00 |
| redrobot | we're out of time folks... we can continue in our channel | 21:00 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 16 21:00:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-11-16-20.00.html | 21:00 |
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| sgordon | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 16 21:08:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:08 |
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| sgordon | #chair Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:08 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Arkady_Kanevsky sgordon | 21:08 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 21:08 |
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| sgordon | #topic roll call | 21:08 |
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| sarob_ | o/ | 21:09 |
| sgordon | #chair sarob_ | 21:09 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Arkady_Kanevsky sarob_ sgordon | 21:09 |
| KrishR | hello | 21:09 |
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| sgordon | #chair KrishR | 21:10 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Arkady_Kanevsky KrishR sarob_ sgordon | 21:10 |
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| stephenrwalli | I'm here | 21:10 |
| nateziemann | nateziemann is here ;-) | 21:10 |
| sgordon | #topic mid-cycle planning | 21:11 |
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| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Mitaka_Midcycle | 21:11 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks to Yih Leong Sun for driving https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237178/ user story. That impacts upgrade which is in top 4 stories | 21:28 |
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