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| Liuqing | #startmeeting evoque | 12:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 12:59:55 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Liuqing. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: evoque)" | 12:59 | |
| gongysh__ | hi | 12:59 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'evoque' | 13:00 |
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| Liuqing | \o | 13:00 |
| Liuqing | if you're here, please say hi | 13:00 |
| sin_ | hi | 13:00 |
| Liuqing | let's know who're here :-) | 13:01 |
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| Liuqing | #topic dummy workflow engine | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "dummy workflow engine (Meeting topic: evoque)" | 13:01 | |
| gongysh__ | why not start with anouncement? | 13:01 |
| Liuqing | as we talked offline in shanghai , we'll have a dummy workflow engine. | 13:02 |
| gongysh__ | ok | 13:02 |
| Liuqing | do we have any anouncement? | 13:02 |
| gongysh__ | devstack plugin, test framework | 13:03 |
| gongysh__ | ... | 13:03 |
| Liuqing | we will use stevedore to load dummy workflow engine driver | 13:03 |
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| Liuqing | we should add devstack plugin in this week? | 13:04 |
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| gongysh__ | I think, sooner is better than later. | 13:05 |
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| gongysh__ | let's others can play with the system. | 13:05 |
| Liuqing | i thought that we could add devstack plugin in version 0.0.1 release cycle. | 13:05 |
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| EinstCrazy | well, we could write a plugin | 13:06 |
| EinstCrazy | and guide | 13:06 |
| gongysh__ | EinstCrazy, +1 | 13:06 |
| sin_ | we should think more about the engine,but not the devstack plugin. | 13:06 |
| gongysh__ | EinstCrazy, do u have time for it. | 13:06 |
| gongysh__ | ? | 13:06 |
| gongysh__ | why not let someone do what they want to do? | 13:07 |
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| Liuqing | now we haven't one complete demo for evoque。 | 13:07 |
| gongysh__ | if EinstCrazy wants to set the devstack up, he can do. | 13:07 |
| EinstCrazy | well, I could do it. But may someone help me with how to install it? | 13:07 |
| sin_ | EinstCray can help is good | 13:07 |
| gongysh__ | It's my opinion. | 13:07 |
| sin_ | Do what you want | 13:07 |
| Liuqing | #action EinstCray will help the evoque devstack plugin | 13:08 |
| gongysh__ | sorry, let's back to topic dummy workflow engine | 13:09 |
| Liuqing | OK | 13:09 |
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| Liuqing | who will take the work ? | 13:09 |
| Liuqing | sin_ | 13:09 |
| Liuqing | we have one initial devstack patch posted by zhurong: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241923/ | 13:10 |
| Liuqing | EinstCrazy, that may help | 13:10 |
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| Liuqing | the dummy workflow will have following abstract methods | 13:11 |
| Liuqing | 1. workflow-list | 13:11 |
| Liuqing | 2. workflow-show | 13:11 |
| zhurong | devstack plugin i will improve it, EinstCrazy | 13:11 |
| Liuqing | 3. worflow-get-status | 13:11 |
| Liuqing | 4. worflow-start-instance | 13:11 |
| EinstCrazy | OK, zhurong can improve it | 13:12 |
| Liuqing | #action zhurong will help the evoque devstack plugin | 13:12 |
| Liuqing | #info https://github.com/knipknap/SpiffWorkflow/wiki | 13:13 |
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| gongysh__ | Liuqing, do we have BP for workflow? | 13:13 |
| Liuqing | #info workflow pattens http://www.workflowpatterns.com/ | 13:13 |
| Liuqing | not now | 13:13 |
| gongysh__ | I think we should first put it into a BP, and review, and then work on codes. | 13:13 |
| Liuqing | gongysh, we should register it in launchpad | 13:14 |
| Liuqing | so who take the dummy workflow engine? | 13:14 |
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| Liuqing | if nobody take the work, i will | 13:15 |
| Liuqing | #action liuqing could help the dummy workflow engine | 13:16 |
| Liuqing | move to the next topic | 13:16 |
| Liuqing | #topic evoque dev mail list | 13:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "evoque dev mail list (Meeting topic: evoque)" | 13:16 | |
| Liuqing | now we haven't any mail list in openstack dev ML | 13:16 |
| Liuqing | any thoughts guys ? | 13:17 |
| gongysh__ | don't we just use [openstack-dev][eqvoque] in subject? | 13:17 |
| Liuqing | in general, it is | 13:17 |
| gongysh__ | do other openstack projects have their own mail list? | 13:17 |
| gongysh__ | I don't think so. | 13:17 |
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| Liuqing | #info http://stackalytics.com/?project_type=all&module=evoque&metric=emails | 13:18 |
| Liuqing | ML about evoque in stacjalytics. | 13:18 |
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| Liuqing | Contribution Summary is useful | 13:19 |
| Liuqing | Draft Blueprints: 1 | 13:20 |
| Liuqing | Completed Blueprints: 0 | 13:20 |
| Liuqing | Filed Bugs: 0 | 13:20 |
| Liuqing | Resolved Bugs: 0 | 13:20 |
| Liuqing | Emails: 0 | 13:20 |
| gongysh__ | yes | 13:20 |
| Liuqing | those items is not very well, maybe bad. | 13:20 |
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| Liuqing | so in the next development, we should pay attention to our bad items. | 13:22 |
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| Liuqing | any thoughts? guys? | 13:24 |
| gongysh__ | currently, we have no bugs report? | 13:24 |
| EinstCrazy | may we invite someone to test and use for it? | 13:25 |
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| gongysh__ | any patchs should be under a bug or bp, I think. | 13:25 |
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| Liuqing | agree | 13:25 |
| gongysh__ | The core reviewers should have some rules, or 底线。 | 13:26 |
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| gongysh__ | and had better two core reviewers agree. | 13:27 |
| Liuqing | gongysh__, it really | 13:27 |
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| zhangjn | register some BPs, for example:devstack plugin,:) | 13:28 |
| gongysh__ | zhangjn, welcome | 13:28 |
| zhangjn | how to register BP? | 13:29 |
| gongysh__ | on launchpad, register a BP, and, if it is not too a big feature, just descript it in launchpad BP. | 13:30 |
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| gongysh__ | otherwise we can have it under evoque/doc/specs | 13:31 |
| gongysh__ | and use the normal review process. | 13:31 |
| Liuqing_ | the wifi broken just now.. | 13:31 |
| Liuqing_ | i thought it depends, we need move forward faster.. | 13:32 |
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| zhangjn | evoque/doc/specs better than launchpad | 13:33 |
| gongysh__ | I said if the feature is obvious, we can just register it only on launchpad, describe it there. | 13:33 |
| gongysh__ | If the feature is big, besides the launchpad, we need put it under evoque/doc/specs and go through normal review process. | 13:34 |
| gongysh__ | Liuqing_, agree? | 13:34 |
| zhangjn | This is rule, :) | 13:34 |
| Liuqing_ | do we have other topics? | 13:35 |
| gongysh__ | It seems Liuqing_ is gone with wind again. | 13:35 |
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| gongysh__ | Liuqing_ I thought you should write some introduction article about the project, and then we promote it. | 13:36 |
| Liuqing_ | in this stage, maybe feature implement is the most import, | 13:36 |
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| zhurong | register a bp may not take much time, i think | 13:38 |
| zhangjn | quick start guide maybe good start. | 13:38 |
| Liuqing_ | some introduction article for general user or develop? | 13:39 |
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| zhangjn | write some in wiki.openstack.org | 13:41 |
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| Liuqing_ | so we should improve the evoque wiki? gongysh__? | 13:41 |
| gongysh__ | wiki, or in evoque doc | 13:42 |
| gongysh__ | we can put it in evoque doc. | 13:42 |
| zhurong | i think evoque doc | 13:42 |
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| Liuqing_ | wiki/doc | 13:43 |
| Liuqing_ | wiki and doc | 13:43 |
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| zhurong | i think we can show the doc in https://readthedocs.org/ | 13:43 |
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| zhangjn | wiki/doc | 13:43 |
| Liuqing_ | yep,zhurong | 13:44 |
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| zhurong | something url like http://evoque.readthedocs.org/ | 13:44 |
| Liuqing_ | wiki will have some introduction for user | 13:45 |
| Liuqing_ | just like other project's wiki | 13:45 |
| Liuqing_ | doc should contain details of evoque | 13:45 |
| Liuqing_ | zhurong, could you take the doc work? | 13:45 |
| zhangjn | project's wiki is good window for user. | 13:46 |
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| Liuqing_ | we can build the doc skeleton firstly. | 13:46 |
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| zhangjn | Agree | 13:47 |
| zhangjn | Next Sprint | 13:47 |
| zhangjn | :) | 13:47 |
| Liuqing_ | :--) | 13:47 |
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| Liuqing_ | but who take the doc work? | 13:48 |
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| gongysh__ | EinstCrazy? | 13:49 |
| gongysh__ | the devstack is taken by zhurong | 13:49 |
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| Liuqing_ | i vote EinstCrazy:) | 13:50 |
| gongysh__ | EinstCrazy, what about the doc? | 13:50 |
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| EinstCrazy | I don't know rst format | 13:50 |
| gongysh__ | you can put the doc in evoque/doc, that is the same as we write codes. | 13:50 |
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| EinstCrazy | I known. But I have not write any rst doc before. | 13:51 |
| gongysh__ | It is easy. Just learn from other project and google | 13:51 |
| Liuqing_ | EinstCrazy, we can refer to other project , it's easy for you :) | 13:51 |
| gongysh__ | EinstCrazy, you can do it. | 13:51 |
| gongysh__ | and we will help to review. | 13:52 |
| gongysh__ | and even co-author to help | 13:52 |
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| EinstCrazy | OK, I do it. | 13:52 |
| gongysh__ | and it is *1, not *0.8. | 13:53 |
| gongysh__ | great. | 13:53 |
| Liuqing_ | thanks EinstCrazy | 13:53 |
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| Liuqing_ | LOL | 13:54 |
| gongysh__ | #action EinstCrazy to start the doc job. | 13:54 |
| EinstCrazy | I will write a quick start first | 13:54 |
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| gongysh__ | Liuqing_, I am trying to help | 13:55 |
| zhangjn | great | 13:55 |
| Liuqing_ | great | 13:55 |
| Liuqing_ | OK，so we end the meeting? | 13:56 |
| gongysh__ | sure | 13:56 |
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| EinstCrazy | sure | 13:57 |
| Liuqing_ | if we have other topic we can talk in channel #openstack-evoque , i will end meeting | 13:58 |
| Liuqing_ | #endmeeting | 13:58 |
| Liuqing_ | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
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| Liuqing_ | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 14:00:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/evoque/2015/evoque.2015-11-18-12.59.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/evoque/2015/evoque.2015-11-18-12.59.txt | 14:00 |
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| sgordon | #startmeeting telcowg | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 14:01:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| sgordon | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
| sgordon | #topic roll call | 14:01 |
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| sgordon | \o/ | 14:01 |
| cloudon | aren't we in the other room? | 14:01 |
| sgordon | negative | 14:02 |
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| sgordon | when we aligned on one time we ended up with #openstack-meeting-alt for both: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Telco_Working_Group_meeting | 14:02 |
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| cloudon | ah, my bad | 14:02 |
| cloudon | could never remember so always checked out both | 14:03 |
| sgordon | aight | 14:03 |
| sgordon | #topic future of wg | 14:03 |
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| gjayavelu | Hi | 14:03 |
| sgordon | so diving right in.... | 14:03 |
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| sgordon | im not sure if you had seen it but i made a post to the lists y'day | 14:04 |
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| sgordon | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-November/008842.html | 14:04 |
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| sgordon | #info proposal is to submit the existing telcowg-usecases to the openstack-user-stories repository, engage within the product working group as owners of these user stories | 14:05 |
| sgordon | and implicitly, at least for me, focus more directly on OPNFV | 14:05 |
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| sgordon | shamail__, is attempting to join us from the product wg | 14:05 |
| shamail__ | trying :) | 14:06 |
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| sgordon | but anyway that is what i am proposing, based on the evolution of the product wg in particular and the fact that we have lost a number of participants for various reasons | 14:06 |
| sgordon | we dont really have a core group of people to review/vet the use cases any more | 14:06 |
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| sgordon | the templates are very similar so i am not anticipating it will require significant "new" work to submit them to the other repository (i may be able to handle this myself) | 14:07 |
| sgordon | cloudon, ^ | 14:07 |
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| cloudon | can you give a quick summary of remit and process of product wg e.g. is it similar process for submitting and agreeing; once approved what happens next etc? | 14:08 |
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| sgordon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam | 14:08 |
| shamail | We actually based the product WG user story template on the telcowg template. | 14:08 |
| sgordon | #link | 14:08 |
| sgordon | <cloudon> can you give a quick summary of remit and process of product wg e.g. is it similar pro | 14:08 |
| sgordon | whoops | 14:08 |
| sgordon | #undo | 14:08 |
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| sgordon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories | 14:09 |
| sgordon | and specifically: | 14:09 |
| sgordon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories#User_Story_Workflow | 14:09 |
| sgordon | cloudon, if you go to the above link there is a workflow diagram | 14:09 |
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| cloudon | ta, just looking - looks v similar to TelcoWG, yes? | 14:09 |
| sgordon | cloudon, it is somewhat similar except process wise they will merge something into draft/proposed folders | 14:09 |
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| sgordon | cloudon, the last box is to do with implementation | 14:10 |
| sgordon | cloudon, so it only moves to tracked if there is an owner creating the workitems etc | 14:10 |
| shamail | @sgordon: There will need to be a subtle change in the PWG process though.. currently the user stories in flight are planning to work on cross-project specs, specs, and blueprints. I think we will need to add notion that a bug can be tracked/resolved through the workflow as well. | 14:10 |
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| sgordon | shamail, right - i think we are going to hit that anyway | 14:10 |
| shamail | agreed... it was never out of scope but never explicitly called out either | 14:11 |
| sgordon | shamail, having tried to expand the capacity management use case based on what deepak had sent through | 14:11 |
| sgordon | shamail, it is primarily nova focused - not really cross project | 14:11 |
| sgordon | or at least a subset of the use cases are anyway | 14:11 |
| shamail | true | 14:11 |
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| cloudon | only issue I have is whether the PWG is intended for "big picture" user stories rather than relatively focussed ones intended to highlight some narrow omissions | 14:12 |
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| sgordon | cloudon, right - that is what we were touching on above | 14:12 |
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| cloudon | e.g. NFV very broad area, but things like the SBC case have fpcussed on fast data planes | 14:13 |
| sgordon | cloudon, it is not really clear today - but in the same breath as much as we enjoy each other's company we have lost critical mass here :) | 14:13 |
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| cloudon | not arguing :) | 14:13 |
| shamail | It should be able to handle both scenarios cloudon, the driver being whether the change will impact adoption for a market (e.g. the impact rather than effort)... | 14:13 |
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| cloudon | think move to PWG is correct, really just a qyuestion about how to adapt use cases to best match expectations | 14:14 |
| shamail | so if there is a focused issue, but it is considered a significant barrier than it should be in play. | 14:14 |
| shamail | then* | 14:14 |
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| sgordon | yeah, there is also a concept of grouping related user stories | 14:15 |
| cloudon | shamail: makes sense, but what about stuff that doesn't prevent adoption but makes thingfs a bit better? Is PWG appropriate forum for that? | 14:15 |
| sgordon | so while they might be small/narrow alone if we can identify some groupings it might make sense | 14:15 |
| sgordon | (in a way i would say we already have them, as each of the current submissions typically involves a number of things) | 14:16 |
| cloudon | so to take an example, the vIMS one talked about anti-affinity for N+k pools which applies way beyond NFV | 14:16 |
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| shamail | cloudon: I think for those efforts it would depend on whether the item is cross-project in nature or can fall into grouping with other user stories. | 14:17 |
| cloudon | sgordon: so wold you suggest amending current use cases (e..g to tie them to areas outside NFV) before submitting to PWG? | 14:18 |
| sgordon | i think it will be case by case | 14:18 |
| shamail | Maybe the way to proceed is to work with UC and PWG, but at the same time continue to feed items into projects as time/resources permit for telco-wg... so the group stays in tact (you might eventually get new cores as well) and can focus on delivering requirements through PWG (when it makes sense) and directly through the projects bugs/RFE process (for when it doesn't) | 14:18 |
| sgordon | i think the vIMS requirements can easily be applied to many other traditional apps | 14:18 |
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| shamail | This will allow the team to leverage PWG for grouping on use-cases that have multi-market applications or address significant barriers even for a single market (e.g. telco/NFV) | 14:19 |
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| shamail | but it will also allow telco-wg to continue forward as the representation of the market. | 14:19 |
| shamail | This leads to your second point though sgordon, not sure personally of overlap between UC, telcowg, and OPNFV | 14:20 |
| sgordon | i think there is too much overlap at this point for the telcowg to really continue to exist | 14:20 |
| shamail | Affinity/Anti-Affinity and NUMA can probably be tied to multi-market user stories | 14:21 |
| sgordon | that said there has been some feedback from service providers that do not want to engage with OPNFV, but they dont engage here either ;) | 14:21 |
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| sgordon | i think it is better for us to focus on the product wg and opnfv | 14:21 |
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| sgordon | there may be some value still in a semi-regular meeting of minds specific to telco but i think opnfv is the right place for that | 14:22 |
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| sgordon | for the service providers i mention perhaps the user committee is the right place | 14:22 |
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| sgordon | shamail, i attempted to send you the buffer ;p | 14:23 |
| shamail | Got it :) | 14:24 |
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| cloudon | sgordon: what do you have in mind when you say "focus on opnfv"? | 14:24 |
| sgordon | im really meaning my own time | 14:24 |
| sgordon | others may allocate differently of course | 14:24 |
| shamail | That plan makes sense... my only concern is that if there is no telcowg (officially) then how will we expand/attract others that are interested? | 14:24 |
| cloudon | ok, understand | 14:24 |
| shamail | they might not know to engage with PWG for telco or if they work with OPNFV, they still don't have a direct conduit/representation inside the OpenStack community | 14:25 |
| sgordon | shamail, opnfv projects are primarily going direct to openstack projects | 14:25 |
| sgordon | shamail, via member contributors | 14:25 |
| shamail | yep | 14:25 |
| cloudon | shamail: agree, especially as OPNFV seems focussed on building OTT solns to OpenStack where there's a bunch of stuff NFV needs squarely within core OpenStack projects | 14:25 |
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| shamail | true, i've noticed that similar companies participating in both OpenStack and OPNFV but usually have different contributors working in those teams | 14:26 |
| sgordon | shamail, there is no value statement for them here as they already document their user stories in the opnfv requirements projects | 14:26 |
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| shamail | as long as companies can pass information back and forth between the right people then it's a non-issue | 14:26 |
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| shamail | sgordon: true | 14:27 |
| adrian-hoban | Before the summit when this topic last came up I thought we were leaning towards moving the Telco WG under the Product WG as the Product WG has more attention from PTLs, core devs, community members... | 14:27 |
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| shamail | cloudon: agreed, that's why I think the passing of information between the teams working on OPNFV projects to teams working on OpenStack services is really important. | 14:27 |
| sgordon | adrian-hoban, there has to be something to actually move for that to happen - a number of core folks have moved to other roles so atm it's been cloudon and myself for a number of weeks | 14:27 |
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| sgordon | adrian-hoban, so atm the proposal is more "moving into" i guess | 14:28 |
| shamail | sgordon: how many telcowg user-stories are there? I'll be glad to help with moving some of them (if additional help is needed) | 14:28 |
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| adrian-hoban | sgordon: understood, and I've been one of those that haven't been able to attend the last few weeks. I think any move that also takes the use cases we worked on is positive | 14:29 |
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| sgordon | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/telcowg-usecases,n,z | 14:30 |
| sgordon | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/telcowg-usecases/tree/usecases | 14:30 |
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| sgordon | shamail, so there are two merged and 5 submitted | 14:30 |
| shamail | sgordon: will you be merging the 5 submitted before moving them? | 14:30 |
| sgordon | whether or not we would bring all of the submitted ones is tbd | 14:30 |
| shamail | got it | 14:30 |
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| sgordon | some yes some no, i think mostly they are good enough to go into the drafts area | 14:31 |
| sgordon | but service chaining has it's own project and discussions elsewhere | 14:31 |
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| shamail | Any of them being actively worked on (e.g. implementation phase)? | 14:31 |
| sgordon | so not sure what is here is representative anymore | 14:31 |
| sgordon | i had raised a backlog spec for the vIMS affinity requirements | 14:31 |
| sgordon | and i believe cloudon had raised a neutron rfe for SBC | 14:31 |
| cloudon | +1 | 14:32 |
| sgordon | but as it turns out backlog specs may not actually be a thing ;) | 14:32 |
| sgordon | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079340.html | 14:32 |
| sgordon | tl;dr no actual implementation | 14:33 |
| shamail | but things that are close to that phase... | 14:33 |
| shamail | so we might have to see how to get some in draft and some into "proposed" | 14:34 |
| adrian-hoban | Is it clear what the path is from a requirement identified in the Product WG to get into one of the projects? | 14:34 |
| shamail | Currently being worked on... normally most items in PWG are cross-project so we are working with Mike Perez to identify the right timeframe for submitting cross-project specs and how to break those into individual project specs/blueprints | 14:34 |
| shamail | We are planning to use rolling upgrades as our pilot to work on these types of details through a pratical example | 14:35 |
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| adrian-hoban | shamail: Thanks for the info! | 14:36 |
| shamail | The high-level flow is PWG user story -> cross-project spec -> specs/blueprints in multiple projects over multiple releases | 14:36 |
| shamail | adrian-hoban, np! | 14:36 |
| shamail | sgordon: so happy to help with the user story moves as you see fit. | 14:37 |
| sgordon | ok | 14:37 |
| shamail | sgordon: we probably need to raise an agenda item on the PWG weekly meeting to discuss how to pursue multiple user stories in parallel during the pilot if there are resources available to work on them | 14:37 |
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| sgordon | i think it makes sense to start with the two merged as they are in the best shape | 14:37 |
| sgordon | right | 14:37 |
| sgordon | there is also the matter of which actually make sense to include in that timeframe from a project planning pov | 14:38 |
| shamail | yep! | 14:38 |
| sgordon | i know the affinity gaps for example may be dependent on a complete rewrite of how server groups work... :P | 14:38 |
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| shamail | absolutely. (good times) | 14:39 |
| sgordon | alright | 14:40 |
| sgordon | #action sgordon to attempt proposing merged user stories to product wg repository | 14:40 |
| sgordon | i would propose we still keep the telco wg meeting for now so we can track how that is going over the next few weeks | 14:40 |
| shamail | +1 | 14:40 |
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| cloudon | +1 | 14:41 |
| adrian-hoban | sgordon: +1 | 14:41 |
| sgordon | #topic other discussion | 14:41 |
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| sgordon | did anyone have anything else they wanted to raise? | 14:41 |
| gjayavelu | Hi, I'm new to this group. What is the plan to translate requirements from OPNFV to product WG? | 14:42 |
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| sgordon | gjayavelu, great question - not sure ;-D | 14:43 |
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| sgordon | as i alluded to above currently OPNFV requirements projects record their user stories and requirements on wiki.opnfv.org | 14:43 |
| sgordon | and then, at least where member companies have folks working on openstack, endeavor to implement them directly | 14:44 |
| gjayavelu | ok | 14:44 |
| sgordon | so there hasn't been much OPNFV <-> Product WG (or Telco WG) translation as yet | 14:44 |
| sgordon | it may become more important as OPNFV starts looking at broader cross-project requirements | 14:44 |
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| gjayavelu | good to know. I guess I'll continue to attend Telco WG meeting to understand the decisions/workflow better :) | 14:45 |
| sgordon | np | 14:46 |
| sgordon | alright | 14:46 |
| sgordon | thanks all for the discussion | 14:46 |
| sgordon | #endmeeting | 14:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 14:46:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-11-18-14.01.html | 14:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-11-18-14.01.txt | 14:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telcowg/2015/telcowg.2015-11-18-14.01.log.html | 14:46 |
| shamail | see you later sgordon, adrian-hoban, cloudon, and gjayavelu | 14:47 |
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| adrian-hoban | Bye! | 14:47 |
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| Swami | hi | 14:59 |
| dasm | hello | 14:59 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
| obondarev | o/ | 15:00 |
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| haleyb | #startmeeting neutron_dvr | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 15:00:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is haleyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_dvr' | 15:00 |
| haleyb | #chair Swami | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Swami haleyb | 15:00 |
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| haleyb | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| neiljerram | o/ | 15:01 |
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| Swami | haleyb: is the devstack broken yesterday | 15:01 |
| haleyb | My only announcement is that I'm away next week, so will have to hand over to Swami or someone else | 15:01 |
| Swami | haleyb: no worries I can handle the meeting when you are gone. | 15:02 |
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| haleyb | i'm assuming others will be here as well | 15:02 |
| haleyb | Swami: is devstack broken or devstack is broken ? | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi, sorry I'm late | 15:03 |
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| haleyb | np, we just started | 15:03 |
| Swami | haleyb: yesterday I was not able to bringup devstack with a fresh pull | 15:03 |
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| obondarev | Swami: what is the error? | 15:05 |
| stephen-ma | hi | 15:05 |
| haleyb | Swami: i have one devstack that is also "broken" with a "Could not determine suitable URL for the plugin" failure, assuming i'll have to google that again, but other one working | 15:05 |
| Swami | haleyb: I did see that it was failing when trying to start the cinder service. | 15:05 |
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| haleyb | "disable cinder" :) | 15:05 |
| Swami | haleyb: Yes I also saw that failure in my previous working node. | 15:05 |
| Swami | haleyb: I tried disabling it and still no success. | 15:06 |
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| dasm | Swami: at Friday, colleague of mine had similar problem. The only what helped was deleting/installing everything from scratch on new VM. | 15:06 |
| dasm | Swami: i've built devstack at Sunday and had no problems (I know it is not yesterda) | 15:06 |
| dasm | *yesterday | 15:07 |
| Swami | dasm: Unfortunately it did not work for me, since I tried, a fresh install and old install. The fresh install had this cinder problem, while the old one had this URL issue. | 15:07 |
| Swami | never mind, let us continue since we have a forum. I will see if I can take it up to the channel once we finish the meeting. | 15:07 |
| haleyb | Swami: so there is probably some pip update that needs to happen, but we can debug that offline or in the neutron room | 15:08 |
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| Swami | haleyb: +1 | 15:08 |
| haleyb | #topic Bugs | 15:08 |
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| Swami | haleyb: sure | 15:08 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1372141 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1372141 in neutron "StaleDataError while updating ml2_dvr_port_bindings" [Medium,Confirmed] | 15:09 |
| haleyb | There's just a few listed on the agenda, all yours Swami | 15:09 |
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| Swami | This bug can be closed as per regXboi since he did not see any failures in the last week or so. | 15:09 |
| Swami | so I don't think we need more discussion on this bug. | 15:09 |
| Swami | The next high in the list is | 15:10 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1462154 | 15:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1462154 in neutron "With DVR Pings to floating IPs replied with fixed-ips" [High,In progress] - Assigned to ZongKai LI (lzklibj) | 15:10 |
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| stephen-ma | There is a WIP patch in review right now https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240677 | 15:11 |
| stephen-ma | for bug 1462154. | 15:11 |
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| Swami | We have a patch right now up for review from ZongKai. I spoke to stephen ma the original owner of this bug and he mentioned that ZongKai's patch is better and should be pursued. | 15:11 |
| Swami | stephen-ma: thanks for the link | 15:11 |
| stephen-ma | I fixed some of the unit test failures. There are more unit test failures that need to be fixed. | 15:11 |
| Swami | stephen-ma: ok I will ping ZongKai on this or add a comment in there. | 15:12 |
| Swami | The next in our list is | 15:12 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505575 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505575 in neutron "Fatal memory consumption by neutron-server with DVR at scale" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev) | 15:12 |
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| obondarev | the patch for it is still on review | 15:13 |
| Swami | obondarev: any update on this | 15:13 |
| obondarev | similar bug was filed by amuller recently https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1516260 | 15:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505575 in neutron "duplicate for #1516260 Fatal memory consumption by neutron-server with DVR at scale" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev) | 15:13 |
| obondarev | ah, sorry | 15:13 |
| dasm | probably this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1516260 | 15:13 |
| dasm | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505575 | 15:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505575 in neutron "Fatal memory consumption by neutron-server with DVR at scale" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev) | 15:14 |
| obondarev | dasm: yep | 15:14 |
| Swami | are we going to mark the other one as duplicate or still is it different. | 15:14 |
| obondarev | so I still need to check on scale lab if it's a problem/reproduce | 15:14 |
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| obondarev | the other one is already marked as duplicate | 15:15 |
| obondarev | need to sync with amuller on this | 15:15 |
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| obondarev | I left a comment on his review | 15:15 |
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| Swami | obondarev: ok please update next week on your progress. | 15:16 |
| obondarev | reviews are welcome however | 15:16 |
| obondarev | Swami: sure | 15:16 |
| Swami | obondarev: sure we will review | 15:16 |
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| obondarev | Swami: thanks | 15:16 |
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| Swami | The next one in the list is | 15:17 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1513678 | 15:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1513678 in neutron "At scale router scheduling takes a long time with DVR routers with multiple compute nodes hosting thousands of VMs" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:17 |
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| Swami | I have pushed in both the patches yesterday and removed it out of WIP. | 15:17 |
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| Swami | But I saw that one of the patch was failing dvr tests. I am still looking into what the problem is. The jenkens does not report any test failures specific to dvr. | 15:18 |
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| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241843/ | 15:18 |
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| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242286/ | 15:19 |
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| Swami | The second patch that I posted is the one that is currently failing, I will test it again in my setup and see where the problem is. | 15:19 |
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| Swami | Let us move on to the next one. | 15:20 |
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| Swami | I think we are done with the high bugs, but there are still other bugs that are in progress. | 15:21 |
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| Swami | haleyb: we need to clean up the bugs that are fix committed. | 15:21 |
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| Swami | haleyb: who should be doing it. | 15:22 |
| Swami | haleyb: This is in launchpad. | 15:22 |
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| haleyb | will that get them off this list, https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=l3-dvr-backlog | 15:22 |
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| Swami | haleyb: yes it should off that list. | 15:23 |
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| Swami | Now let us move on to the next topic. | 15:23 |
| Swami | #topic Gate-failures | 15:23 |
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| Swami | last week I had an action item to create a bug to track any tempest related activity to address the gate failures. | 15:24 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1515360 | 15:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1515360 in neutron "Add more verbose to Tempest Test Errors that causes "SSHTimeout" seen in CVR and DVR" [High,Confirmed] | 15:24 |
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| Swami | I have created this bug. | 15:25 |
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| Swami | What can be done to address this issue? | 15:25 |
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| haleyb | and i didn't reach-out to tempest and/or infra teams | 15:25 |
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| Swami | haleyb: I had a chat with armax as well and he feels that adding more debug info related to the namespaces will be too much of information. | 15:26 |
| Swami | haleyb: he also mentioned that previously it used to dump the namespace information and they got away from that. | 15:26 |
| Swami | Is there any other way within the L3 agent domain that we can confirm that the FIPs will work. | 15:27 |
| haleyb | i was almost hoping we could add an experimental job we can run for debugging | 15:27 |
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| Swami | haleyb: I was trying to add something like "pinging" from the fip namespace to the router namespace destination as the floatingip. | 15:28 |
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| Swami | haleyb: But it did not work | 15:28 |
| haleyb | Swami: if the tempest patches ran the neutron multinode jobs (they don't now), we could then maybe create a tempest patch with a bunch of debug, then recheck it to trigger a failure ? | 15:29 |
| Swami | haleyb: so are you saying just target it for the multinode and not for the single node. | 15:30 |
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| haleyb | hmm, i guess the single node is growing as well | 15:30 |
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| Swami | haleyb: carl_baldwin: can we add a _fip_path_validate kind of function in l3_agent and then after setting up the floatingip namespace and add rules to the routernamespace ping internally and then provide a status update. | 15:31 |
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| Swami | In this case we do have control within neutron and no need to rely on tempest. Because also tempest test cannot add such low level tests. | 15:32 |
| Swami | I am just throwing in some ideas in here. Please feel free to add in your input if you have any thoughts. | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: I need a minute to catch up. Distracted today. | 15:33 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: thanks, no problem. | 15:33 |
| haleyb | Swami: yes, i suppose we could add some debugging via the l3-agent log | 15:33 |
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| Swami | haleyb: ok, I will try to push in a wip patch and we can discuss about this in that patch, that way we are all in sync. | 15:35 |
| haleyb | Swami: ok, thanks | 15:35 |
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| Swami | haleyb: also what I noticed is, I am not sure how the metrics are calculated in the logstash. | 15:35 |
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| Swami | haleyb: I do see that it reports some patch that is even not running gate_tempest_dsvm_neutron_dvr as gate_tempest_dsvm_neturon_dvr failures. | 15:36 |
| haleyb | so it's not being run but failing? | 15:37 |
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| Swami | haleyb: If I look at the logstash data, and filter by neutron-dvr failures, it reports a patch id, and if I look at the patch, all it has is rally_related tests, but it still reports as dvr related failure. | 15:38 |
| Swami | haleyb: do you know what might be happening here. | 15:38 |
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| haleyb | Swami: pointer ? | 15:38 |
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| Swami | haleyb: I don't have it handy, but I will send it out. | 15:39 |
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| Swami | Ok before we move on to the next section, any other ideas or thoughts on how to mitigate the gate failures, feel free to let us know. | 15:40 |
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| carl_baldwin | Sorry to have gotten distracted. | 15:40 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: no problem we can catch up later. | 15:40 |
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| carl_baldwin | Swami: ack | 15:40 |
| haleyb | Swami: maybe if we ignore it longer the failures will just go away? :) | 15:41 |
| dasm | haleyb: +1 :D | 15:41 |
| Swami | haleyb: no I don't want to do that, then we will not really get to the bottom of it. | 15:41 |
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| haleyb | no, we're actually making progress on the bugs, so let's not stop | 15:41 |
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| Swami | haleyb: this will come back to us. | 15:41 |
| haleyb | Swami: you missed my :) | 15:41 |
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| Swami | haleyb: yes got it. | 15:42 |
| Swami | haleyb: can we move on to the next topic | 15:42 |
| haleyb | yes | 15:42 |
| haleyb | #topic Performance/Scalability | 15:42 |
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| obondarev | not much to update here really | 15:42 |
| obondarev | I'm planning to start implementing dvr binding refactoring bp this week/early next week | 15:43 |
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| obondarev | also should grab scale lab to run some tests, make some analysis | 15:43 |
| obondarev | that's it from me | 15:44 |
| haleyb | obondarev: great, can you just update the wiki with a link to the BP? I think we can remove the merged bug from it :) | 15:44 |
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| obondarev | haleyb: sure, will do | 15:44 |
| Swami | obondarev: I had one question on this. | 15:45 |
| Swami | obondarev: the original blueprint had some notes about refactoring the agent side. Do we really need to refactor the agent side for this binding changes or is it orthogonal. | 15:45 |
| obondarev | Swami: I don'e expect big changes on agent side | 15:46 |
| obondarev | probably some minor changes | 15:46 |
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| carl_baldwin | obondarev: +1 | 15:46 |
| Swami | obondarev: thanks | 15:46 |
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| Swami | I think that's all we had in for today's agenda. Is there any other items that the team wanted to discuss today. | 15:48 |
| haleyb | #topic Open Discussion | 15:48 |
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| Swami | haleyb: is there an easier way to figure out from logstash all types of failures for dvr. | 15:49 |
| Swami | haleyb: I meant to just filter and get the frequently failed test cases, so that if we have missed anything we can focus our attention on that. | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | Swami: Any chance you could get the pointer to that DVR failure you mentioned above where dvr was not run on the patch? | 15:50 |
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| Swami | carl_baldwin: sure, I will get the filter going again and I will let you know. | 15:51 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: I captured the screen shot, but before I saved, my pc crashed. Bad luck. | 15:51 |
| haleyb | Swami: i don't know, what you describe seems pretty manual - finding the test failing and searching for it | 15:51 |
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| Swami | haleyb: in logstash right now it only displays first 500 errors and it might have just come from a single patch. | 15:52 |
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| Swami | haleyb: when I try to increase the page size in logstash it is a nightmare and it hangs or takes forever. | 15:52 |
| haleyb | Swami: ok, now i understand, but i don't know the answer. Who owns logstash? | 15:53 |
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| Swami | haleyb: I don't know who owns the logstash is it the infra team or someone else. | 15:54 |
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| carl_baldwin | I'd start with infra | 15:55 |
| Swami | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:55 |
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| haleyb | yeah, perhaps there needs to be some other filter button | 15:56 |
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| Swami | haleyb: you can filter by message type, but if you exactly know what test is failing and its error message. | 15:57 |
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| haleyb | ok, if nothing else i'll call it, thanks everyone | 15:58 |
| haleyb | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 15:58:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2015/neutron_dvr.2015-11-18-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2015/neutron_dvr.2015-11-18-15.00.txt | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_dvr/2015/neutron_dvr.2015-11-18-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
| Swami | there should be a filter to just filter repeated failure cases and just show once then we should be able to see all failures. | 15:58 |
| Swami | bye | 15:58 |
| dasm | thanks | 15:58 |
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| Sukhdev | Hello folks time for ML2 meeting | 16:00 |
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| pcm_ | hi | 16:00 |
| scheuran | hi | 16:00 |
| yamahata | hello | 16:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 16:00 |
| Sukhdev | lets get started | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 16:01:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Agenda | 16:01 |
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| Sukhdev | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_November_18.2C_2015 | 16:01 |
| Sukhdev | The agenda is continuation from the last week - hence, looks very similar | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | unless anybody wants to add anything? | 16:02 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Announcements | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | M1 is due in first week of Dec1 | 16:02 |
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| Sukhdev | I hardly got settled from Japan trip and M1 is already knocking at the door :-):-) | 16:03 |
| rkukura | related to this, I got the impression from this weeks neutron IRC meeting that we are close to having too many BPs for mitaka, so if anything needs a BP approved, get it in the pipeline! | 16:04 |
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| Sukhdev | yes, the list is very long | 16:04 |
| Sukhdev | I missed the core meeting this week (too early for Pacific coasters) | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | anybody want to share anything interesting from that meeting? | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Driver API for Security Groups | 16:06 |
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| Sukhdev | yamamoto is not here - I was looking for him earlier | 16:06 |
| Sukhdev | I could help with this effort - but, I can reach him | 16:07 |
| Sukhdev | anybody else is working on this? | 16:07 |
| yamahata | yalei is working on it | 16:07 |
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| Sukhdev | This may require a BP, hence, the action need to take place soon | 16:07 |
| yamahata | right now he's working for the BP | 16:07 |
| yamahata | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240356/ | 16:08 |
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| Sukhdev | yamahata : cool - I will try to reach out to him - he is not here it seems | 16:08 |
| yamahata | He's in china. It's midnight right now | 16:08 |
| Sukhdev | I will try to reach to him later | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | anything else on this? | 16:09 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Driver status coalescing/visibility | 16:09 |
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| Sukhdev | yamahata: you and asoumya were looking to write a proposal on this | 16:10 |
| Sukhdev | any update? | 16:10 |
| yamahata | Sukhdev: do you mean yamamoto? | 16:11 |
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| Sukhdev | did I goof up on the name again - sorry :-) | 16:11 |
| Sukhdev | asoumya is not here either | 16:11 |
| yamahata | Ah no. You're correct. It's yamahata. | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : are you aware of any work on this? | 16:12 |
| yamahata | No update for it. | 16:12 |
| rkukura | I’m not aware of any progress | 16:12 |
| rkukura | This probably needs a BP | 16:12 |
| Sukhdev | yamahata : ah ha - for a change I did not goof up :-):-) | 16:12 |
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| Sukhdev | #topic: Trunk port binding for VLAN-awere VMs | 16:13 |
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| Sukhdev | I do not know Bence's IRC - is he here? | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev | I can help with this as well - | 16:14 |
| rkukura | I was on the trunk port IRC meeting last night, but don’t recall his IRC name | 16:14 |
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| Sukhdev | This is needed for baremetal deployments as well - | 16:15 |
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| rkukura | I’m guessing he is rubasov, but not positive | 16:16 |
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| Sukhdev | I will sift through the blue print and patches to see if I can figure out and reach out to him :-) | 16:16 |
| rkukura | This BP is being actively reviewed, and there will be impact on the OVS agent and on ML2’s port binding | 16:17 |
| Sukhdev | correct | 16:17 |
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| Sukhdev | I will try to reach out to him - | 16:18 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Modular l2 agent & macvtap | 16:18 |
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| Sukhdev | scheuran : any update? | 16:18 |
| rkukura | The nova cores have requested switching the trunk ports API to not adding a new resource | 16:18 |
| scheuran | yes | 16:18 |
| scheuran | I uploaded a first patchset | 16:18 |
| scheuran | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246318/ | 16:18 |
| scheuran | any input is helpful | 16:19 |
| scheuran | this separates the linuxbridge impl specifics from the common agent loop stuff | 16:19 |
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| scheuran | and I had verified with the extension guys, that we won't collide during development | 16:20 |
| Sukhdev | scheuran : cool - I will look at this later during the day | 16:20 |
| scheuran | but we don't see any conflicts | 16:20 |
| scheuran | Sukhdev, thanks | 16:20 |
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| scheuran | that's it | 16:20 |
| rkukura | scheuran: Are you planning to file a BP for any of this, or just treat it as a bug fix? | 16:21 |
| scheuran | rkukura, my plan is to treat it as bugfix | 16:21 |
| scheuran | some folks from the drivers team were looking at it but none requested a spec | 16:22 |
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| rkukura | OK, as long as they are happy, I’m happy | 16:22 |
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| scheuran | rkukura, I mean it's basically what you find in the patchset I posted above + some extra testcases that I need to add | 16:23 |
| scheuran | so it's nothing complex... | 16:23 |
| rkukura | Sounds good - I’ll review it | 16:23 |
| scheuran | rkukura, thanks! | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | scheuran : sounds good | 16:23 |
| Sukhdev | anything else on this topic? | 16:24 |
| scheuran | not from my side | 16:24 |
| scheuran | will come back next week | 16:24 |
| Sukhdev | cool - moving right along | 16:24 |
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| Sukhdev | I do not see shiv or arvind here, so I going to skip the Topology topic - | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | Unless somebody has any specific question on it? | 16:25 |
| Sukhdev | #topic: Open Discussion | 16:25 |
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| Sukhdev | Anybody wants to discuss anything? | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | Looks like today's meeting is a short one :-) | 16:26 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : you mentioned something about nova people about the Nova and trunk port APIs - | 16:27 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: yes, the plan for trunk ports seems to be changing back to just extending port with an attribute to associate subports with it, rather than introducing a new trunkport resource. | 16:28 |
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| rkukura | With either API approach, there are lots of questions about how ML2 port binding will work with it. | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | oh - I remember that | 16:29 |
| rkukura | For example, will binding:host_id and other portbinding attributes be applicable to the subports, or only to the master port. | 16:29 |
| Sukhdev | this was one of the proposal at the summit discussion | 16:29 |
| rkukura | And will the subports be bound individually or in buik | 16:30 |
| Sukhdev | I do not believe you could bind them in bulk - as the sub-ports will be created on the fly | 16:30 |
| rkukura | I think this gets kind of interesting with HPB - should the higher levels get bound individually, and then get tied together somehow at the lowest level | 16:30 |
| rkukura | Sukhdev: Good point about dynamically adding/removing subports | 16:31 |
| rkukura | One general question is how much detain on this needs to go in the BP vs. be worked out during implementation | 16:31 |
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| rkukura | How about if we try to get Bence and/or others to discuss the port binding for trunk ports with us at next week’s ML2 meeting? | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | Since this impacts multiple projects, I would like to see as much information as possible | 16:32 |
| Sukhdev | rkukura : Good idea - | 16:33 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura : I will try to look for him and you do too... | 16:33 |
| Sukhdev | anything else on this or anything else? | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | otherwise, we are done.... | 16:34 |
| Sukhdev | thanks for attending - | 16:34 |
| rkukura | I plan to try to attend future trunk port IRC meetings, and encourage other to as well | 16:34 |
| rkukura | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/TrunkPort | 16:34 |
| rkukura | thanks Sukhdev! | 16:35 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura : thanks for sharing the link | 16:35 |
| yamamoto | rkukura: is it a regular meeting? | 16:35 |
| rkukura | I think they are looking for a different time slot, and a channel with MeetBot | 16:35 |
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| Sukhdev | rkukura : once it is firmed up, please share the information with the team here | 16:36 |
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| rkukura | will do | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | Thanks folks - see you next week | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | bye | 16:37 |
| yamamoto | bye | 16:37 |
| Sukhdev | #endmeeting | 16:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 16:37:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:37 |
| yamahata | bye | 16:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-11-18-16.01.html | 16:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-11-18-16.01.txt | 16:37 |
| rkukura | bye | 16:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2015/networking_ml2.2015-11-18-16.01.log.html | 16:37 |
| pcm_ | bye | 16:38 |
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| timsim | The Designate meeting is cancelled today, if anyone is here for that :) If you have anything you'd like to talk about, pop on over to #openstack-dns :) | 17:04 |
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| jmcbride | thanks timsim | 17:08 |
| johnbelamaric | thanks | 17:09 |
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| cp16net | #startmeeting trove | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 18:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cp16net. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'trove' | 18:00 |
| SlickNik | o/ | 18:00 |
| cp16net | #topic rollcall | 18:00 |
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| ashleighfarnham | hi! | 18:00 |
| cp16net | howdy everyone | 18:00 |
| dougshelley66 | o/ | 18:00 |
| pmalik_ | */ | 18:01 |
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| atomic77 | O/ | 18:02 |
| cp16net | hope everyone is having a good week | 18:02 |
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| dougshelley66 | well, it is a week | 18:03 |
| cp16net | cant deny that... | 18:03 |
| vkmc | o/ | 18:03 |
| cp16net | :) | 18:03 |
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| vkmc | tellesnobrega, ping | 18:04 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:04 |
| peterstac-m | o/ | 18:04 |
| cp16net | #topic trove pulse update | 18:04 |
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| cp16net | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-pulse-update | 18:04 |
| cp16net | #link http://bit.ly/1VQyg00 | 18:04 |
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| cp16net | we are ticking up on the reviews | 18:05 |
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| cp16net | we got a bit of stuff merged | 18:05 |
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| cp16net | the changes are still growing tho | 18:06 |
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| cp16net | we've gotten a bit of the specs approved which is great | 18:07 |
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| cp16net | thanks to everyone keeping up on reviews | 18:08 |
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| cp16net | any other comments? | 18:09 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:10 |
| dougshelley66 | i would re-iterate that it would be nice if stuff that isn't ever going to merge could be abandonned... | 18:10 |
| amrith | would be good to remind people of review guidelines | 18:10 |
| amrith | and cleanup old reviews | 18:10 |
| tellesnobrega | o/ | 18:11 |
| peterstac-m | Yeah, I've been trying to look at the older changesets | 18:11 |
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| peterstac-m | But there's still a lot of noise | 18:11 |
| * pmackinn thought there was an auto garbage collector | 18:11 | |
| amrith | want some help getting rid of them | 18:12 |
| amrith | the garbage collector was manual | 18:12 |
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| dougshelley66 | pmackinn auto garbage collector was turned off many moons ago | 18:12 |
| amrith | we turned off the timeout mechanism | 18:12 |
| SlickNik | pmackinn: There used to be an automatic one before infra turned it off. | 18:12 |
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| pmackinn | enabled infra-wide i take it? | 18:12 |
| cp16net | it was thought to be a bad approach of automattically abandoning reviews | 18:12 |
| cp16net | yeah | 18:12 |
| pmackinn | has its merits | 18:13 |
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| peterstac-m | I still think that the good outweighs the bad (having it done automatically) | 18:14 |
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| SlickNik | pmackinn: yes — http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/045591.html was the thread on the ML where this was discussed. | 18:14 |
| cp16net | i think if there is something that just hasnt been rebased and is a good change lets help out the review | 18:14 |
| * pmackinn stands down | 18:14 | |
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| SlickNik | I've in the past still gone ahead and manually abandoned changes that were stale for sure (after putting in a nice message). | 18:15 |
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| cp16net | otherwise if its something that we've decided to pass on then we can abandon it and it can be picked up later if needed | 18:15 |
| SlickNik | Maybe that's a good compromise. | 18:15 |
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| peterstac-m | I'd be ok with that ;) | 18:15 |
| pmackinn | untouched for a cycle should get collected imho | 18:16 |
| atomic77 | could we maybe move changes that are inactive for some period of time into some other branch? at least this way it becomes easier to filter out what's really on our queue | 18:16 |
| cp16net | SlickNik: yeah i think thats a good idea if it has not been maintained in a few months | 18:16 |
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| atomic77 | if the author at some point wakes up and realizes the change is important they can always rebase back to master | 18:17 |
| atomic77 | that way we're not auto-abandoning, but not sure if that's practical though | 18:17 |
| * pmackinn sees dead branches | 18:18 | |
| cp16net | atomic77: it is tracked in launchpad on the bug | 18:18 |
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| cp16net | then if we abandon it then the bug will still be there | 18:18 |
| cp16net | then otherse can pick it up and decide if its still valid and pick up the old abandoned review | 18:18 |
| dougshelley66 | there is nothing destructive about abandoning a change | 18:18 |
| amrith | fyi, here's my list of changes URL | 18:18 |
| amrith | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/age:10d+is:watched+status:open,n,z | 18:19 |
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| amrith | the age:10d allows me to filter only recent things | 18:19 |
| amrith | you can pick a different number if you'd like | 18:19 |
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| atomic77 | maybe pmackinn 's idea of anything untouched from previous cycle makes the most sense | 18:20 |
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| cp16net | so i think we agree that abandoning old stale reviews is a good idea | 18:20 |
| atomic77 | and perhaps can be done during the midcycle -- seems reasonable enough that halfway into mitaka we purge anything that was proposed and is inactive since liberty | 18:20 |
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| amrith | then go and clean up the old ones that are shown in this filter. | 18:20 |
| SlickNik | dougshelley66: There is an aspect that's a bit destructive — once a change is abandoned, it doesn't ever show up in gerrit to anyone. I believe you need to have the actual link to look it up. | 18:21 |
| SlickNik | So it's totally not discoverable after you've abandoned it. | 18:21 |
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| pmackinn | google never forgets | 18:21 |
| dougshelley66 | except that it would still show up on the launchpad bug and/or BP - but i understand your point | 18:21 |
| amrith | and correspondingly, this gives you only the recent changes | 18:22 |
| amrith | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/-age:14d+is:watched+status:open,n,z | 18:22 |
| amrith | i.e. filters out the old ones. | 18:22 |
| SlickNik | Yeah, I'm not convinced either, but the ML thread goes over this aspect too. | 18:22 |
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| cp16net | yeah i think there is valid points both ways | 18:22 |
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| SlickNik | cp16net: ++ I think some care must be taken while doing this — so I'm fine with some human making the call (after verifying that a review is actually stale and dead). | 18:23 |
| vkmc | there was a discussion puppet devs had... and this is the result of it wrt abandoning old patches http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/065520.html | 18:23 |
| cp16net | #agreed | 18:23 |
| vkmc | it's a good reading | 18:24 |
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| cp16net | yeah looks like it | 18:24 |
| pmackinn | vkmc, like it...if it has a -2 it's in someone's consciousness | 18:25 |
| SlickNik | vkmc: reading that it seems like they reached a similar conclusion (i.e. manually abandon by a human). | 18:25 |
| vkmc | SlickNik, yeah :) that's why I'm bringing this up | 18:25 |
| SlickNik | (..if it has a negative review or the change has been addressed in some other way) | 18:25 |
| vkmc | kinda sums up what we are chatting here | 18:25 |
| SlickNik | yup | 18:25 |
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| cp16net | i think we agree we need to abandon some reviews | 18:26 |
| cp16net | and i think it makes the most sense to make a good judgement call on which ones we do | 18:26 |
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| pmackinn | cp16net, mid-cycle topic? | 18:27 |
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| cp16net | sounds like a plan if we dont work it out before then | 18:27 |
| * pmackinn stumps for mid-cycle | 18:27 | |
| cp16net | (i hope we do) :) | 18:27 |
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| ashleighfarnham | pmackinn, isn't that a default topic for midcycles? | 18:27 |
| amrith | :) | 18:27 |
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| SlickNik | #action SlickNik go over old reviews and abandon ones that look extremely crufty and dead | 18:27 |
| pmackinn | ashleighfarnham, ouch | 18:28 |
| edmondk | definitely would like to clean up old reviews and have them abandoned after a cadence of time | 18:28 |
| atomic77 | ashleighfarnham, the default topic is that we all like having our code reviewed, but don't like doing reviews :) | 18:28 |
| * amrith looks at the time | 18:28 | |
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| pmackinn | ashleighfarnham, meant the "process" | 18:28 |
| cp16net | aliright i think we agree on that moving on | 18:28 |
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| cp16net | #topic Adding trove to the openstack client | 18:29 |
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| cp16net | ashleighfarnham: take it away | 18:29 |
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| ashleighfarnham | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/OpenstackClient | 18:29 |
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| ashleighfarnham | i'm looking at getting trove added to the openstack client. Looks like a change we have to make in the python-troveclient to plug it into the openstack client | 18:29 |
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| ashleighfarnham | what I'd like to do is use this as an opportunity to fix anything we don't like with the current python-troveclient | 18:30 |
| ashleighfarnham | I'm looking for feedback with regard to things we should change, current pain points, etc. Figured it would be a good place to start before putting together a blueprint | 18:31 |
| ashleighfarnham | anyone have any thoughts? | 18:31 |
| amrith | could we set a deadline by which we should put stuff in the wikipage/etherpad | 18:31 |
| amrith | so ashleighfarnham can go with the input at that point? | 18:31 |
| amrith | I have some, will put them in the wiki page. | 18:31 |
| * SlickNik raises his hand | 18:31 | |
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| SlickNik | can we please add support for the management API? | 18:32 |
| ashleighfarnham | amrith, is end of the month long enough for people to look at this? | 18:32 |
| SlickNik | pretty please? | 18:32 |
| cp16net | :) | 18:32 |
| cp16net | SlickNik: +1000 | 18:32 |
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| atomic77 | is it preferred that there is a 1-1 mapping between legacy os-client commands and the commands within the unified client? | 18:32 |
| ashleighfarnham | since it is a new client and people are going to have to switch I think we largely have some freedom here to make changes | 18:33 |
| amrith | if we add support for management API, I think the issue is more around the UX. | 18:33 |
| SlickNik | especially quota-update and reset-state if we want to pick a couple to begin with. | 18:33 |
| ashleighfarnham | if a 1-1 mapping doesn't make sense we should make a note of it | 18:33 |
| cp16net | atomic77: preffered but not nessesary i think | 18:33 |
| vkmc | SlickNik, +1 | 18:33 |
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| amrith | and that's not specific to managemnet API; I think we should not attempt to have a 1-1 mapping but rather have a good UX outline so that later additions can comply wiht this outline | 18:34 |
| atomic77 | for eg, i personally think that the strong distinction between replica groups and clusters ideally should be invisible to a trove user | 18:34 |
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| atomic77 | so this new client would be an opportunity to present it that way, even if behind the scenes we still manage this differently | 18:34 |
| cp16net | remove metadata calls since is doesnt exist | 18:35 |
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| amrith | cp16net, ++ | 18:35 |
| SlickNik | atomic77: Intriguing. What do you envision in this case? Is there a consistent set of CLI commands that you can come up with that supports both the scenarios? | 18:36 |
| SlickNik | Perhaps we can wiki / draft that set of commands to see what it would look like in a cli? | 18:37 |
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| atomic77 | SlickNik, well for eg it's not clear to me that a user should know or care about why, say, percona-xe with 3 nodes is a "cluster", while a percona with two asych slaves is a regular trove create .. --replica_of | 18:37 |
| atomic77 | so it could be something like openstack cluster-create .. --topology {"multi-master", "async master/slave"} etc. | 18:38 |
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| ashleighfarnham | Sounds like we have good ideas. I'm going to take the state of the wiki at the end of the month and work with that to generate a blueprint/spec. | 18:38 |
| atomic77 | maybe more ambitious than what you envisioned for this spec, but just wanted to through it out there | 18:38 |
| atomic77 | gah *throw | 18:39 |
| ashleighfarnham | atomic77 if we need to break it down into smaller chunks we can do that. Mostly just want to get the ball rolling on this | 18:39 |
| amrith | I think it would be useful to think in terms of things in the CLI that the API can validate and things that the taskmanager would have to validate. Also the notion of a mechanism to pass datastore specific stuff through on the CLI in a consistent way. | 18:39 |
| cp16net | atomic77: you are jusy saying that the instances act as an atomomous unit if they are slaves or a cluster | 18:39 |
| edmondk | as long as we have management functionality, and quota I will be very happy | 18:40 |
| cp16net | we can still add the mgmt call to the troveclient | 18:41 |
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| cp16net | i had a wip to get that in there | 18:41 |
| cp16net | i'll look at seeing where that is | 18:41 |
| cp16net | #action cp16net look at mgmt cli patch | 18:42 |
| edmondk | right now in python-troveclient management binding is commented out | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | IIRC someone from unitedstack also put up a patch for that. | 18:42 |
| edmondk | if we uncomment it we will at least have the bindings working | 18:42 |
| SlickNik | (for the management functionality) | 18:42 |
| edmondk | the shell is another addition needed | 18:42 |
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| edmondk | This # self.management = Management(self) on client.py under v1 | 18:43 |
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| cp16net | ok so we have a week and a half to get this wiki updated | 18:43 |
| cp16net | at the end of the month ashleighfarnham will go forward with this. | 18:43 |
| amrith | +1 | 18:44 |
| cp16net | thanks ashleighfarnham for leading this effort it will be helpful | 18:44 |
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| ashleighfarnham | :) | 18:44 |
| SlickNik | Yup, this is awesome — thanks ashleighfarnham! | 18:44 |
| cp16net | #topic open discussion | 18:45 |
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| * amrith coughs ... i have something on the agenda ... | 18:45 | |
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| cp16net | i missed it amrith | 18:45 |
| cp16net | sorry | 18:46 |
| amrith | sorry, I added it but only saved after the meeting started. | 18:46 |
| cp16net | #topic catch-22 with reviews | 18:46 |
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| amrith | <paste> | 18:46 |
| amrith | the two reviews have an odd situation; there is a circular dependency. The change to the client is needed for dsvm to pass, but the client change also requires a corresponding backend change. | 18:46 |
| amrith | I've setup the dependencies one way (client depends on server) so the client passes and the server (currently) fails. I'd like the client to merge, and then the server will pass as well. | 18:46 |
| amrith | Please see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245738/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245845/ | 18:46 |
| cp16net | amrith: | 18:46 |
| amrith | </paste> | 18:46 |
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| amrith | wanted people to know this when they looked at the reviews (looking for some +2's on the client change first). | 18:46 |
| amrith | that's all. | 18:46 |
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| amrith | EOF | 18:47 |
| cp16net | ok thanks | 18:48 |
| cp16net | #topic open discussion | 18:48 |
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| cp16net | ok anything else? | 18:48 |
| amrith | ./ | 18:48 |
| amrith | quick question ... follow-up from design summit. how're we doing with action items and things. | 18:48 |
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| * pmackinn stumps for https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-trove-midcycle-rsvp | 18:49 | |
| amrith | pmackinn, could we put the location to rest for good. | 18:50 |
| peterstac-m | Maybe we could add that as an agenda item for next week? | 18:50 |
| amrith | boston is fine for me but way cold. I'd like someplace warm. | 18:50 |
| pmackinn | amrith, did you suggest boston? | 18:50 |
| amrith | no, I think Rob did. | 18:50 |
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| dougshelley66 | amrith, it seems like it has already been locked/loaded for Ralleigh | 18:52 |
| dougshelley66 | didn't this get booked already by pmackinn | 18:52 |
| amrith | dougshelley66, I'm just reflecting on the conversation in the etherpad. it was brought up in Tokyo, not sure it was ever 'decided'. | 18:52 |
| amrith | maybe it means pmackinn can push up a review and we can +1 it ;) | 18:52 |
| dougshelley66 | i have no idea who typed that into the etherpad - Rob's colour appeared to be teal | 18:52 |
| * pmackinn likes Boston...in July | 18:53 | |
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| amrith | ok | 18:53 |
| dougshelley66 | well, i'm going to book my flight to Raleigh and if no one is there, so be it :) | 18:53 |
| amrith | I'll be there. | 18:54 |
| pmackinn | http://bit.ly/1lv4JsG | 18:54 |
| cp16net | it sounds like from those that are chiming in rather have it in raleigh | 18:54 |
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| amrith | come on, that's in June. We don't always have that little snow. | 18:54 |
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| cp16net | lol | 18:54 |
| dougshelley66 | so pmackinn - you are good with Raleigh and red hat is confirmed to host? | 18:54 |
| amrith | i second the idea of Raleigh. | 18:55 |
| pmackinn | for the hotel block i need some "harder" numbers | 18:55 |
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| pmackinn | but we can wait a bit i suppose | 18:55 |
| amrith | are you actually planning to get a block or could we just use a redhat code during the booking process? | 18:56 |
| pmackinn | but the red hat meeting facility is booked and will be ready | 18:56 |
| dougshelley66 | pmackinn cool sounds good | 18:56 |
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| pmackinn | amrith, Red. Hat. | 18:56 |
| amrith | redHat? | 18:56 |
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| pmackinn | trying to get a block | 18:56 |
| amrith | sorry Redhat | 18:56 |
| pmackinn | gah | 18:56 |
| cp16net | alright so we have a location | 18:56 |
| cp16net | thats great | 18:56 |
| dougshelley66 | cp16net yes | 18:56 |
| cp16net | lets signup and get this moving forward | 18:57 |
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| cp16net | :) | 18:57 |
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| dougshelley66 | Tesora folk will be signing up soon | 18:58 |
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| cp16net | we are getting close to time. | 18:58 |
| vkmc | hoping to see some karaoke in the midcycle | 18:58 |
| cp16net | amrith: we should follow up on the "action items and things" | 18:59 |
| cp16net | :) | 18:59 |
| cp16net | thanks everyone | 18:59 |
| amrith | thanks cp16net | 18:59 |
| amrith | wilco | 18:59 |
| cp16net | #stopmeeting | 18:59 |
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| cp16net | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 19:00:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-11-18-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-11-18-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/trove/2015/trove.2015-11-18-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 19:01 |
| vkmc | thanks | 19:01 |
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| xgerman | #startmeeting Octavia | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 20:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 20:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 20:00 |
| TrevorV | o/ | 20:00 |
| blallau | Hi, | 20:00 |
| bana_k | hi | 20:00 |
| sbalukoff | Howdy! | 20:00 |
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| xgerman | #chair blogan | 20:00 |
| fnaval | o/ | 20:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blogan xgerman | 20:00 |
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| madhu_ak | hi | 20:01 |
| TrevorV | blogan is finishing up a one on one | 20:01 |
| blogan | hello! | 20:01 |
| xgerman | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia/Weekly_Meeting_Agenda#Meeting_2015-11-18 | 20:01 |
| xgerman | #topic Announcements | 20:01 |
| johnsom | xgerman is on it. eight seconds after the hour | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 20:01 | |
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| minwang2 | o/o | 20:02 |
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| johnsom | Active/Standby patch is ready for review. Thank you to the folks that have already done so. | 20:02 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206252/ | 20:02 |
| xgerman | so blogan + I are stepping down from the sub team lead | 20:02 |
| sbalukoff | Sweet. | 20:03 |
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| fnaval | congrats | 20:03 |
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| fnaval | or not? | 20:03 |
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| xgerman | yeah, so we propose to hold elections in two weeks — so everybody can think about if he likes to run | 20:03 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok. | 20:03 |
| TrevorV | I was lost on context here. You meant for Octavia PTL elections | 20:03 |
| TrevorV | Got it | 20:03 |
| blallau | :( | 20:03 |
| johnsom | I will throw my hat in the ring | 20:04 |
| blogan | STL | 20:04 |
| xgerman | (yeah, whoever runs now has two weeks for campaigning) | 20:04 |
| johnsom | STTL? | 20:04 |
| sbalukoff | I'll probably throw my name in as well. | 20:04 |
| blogan | we should totally mention this on the ML, to give people the chance to throw their hats in too | 20:04 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. | 20:04 |
| xgerman | +1 | 20:04 |
| johnsom | +1 | 20:04 |
| blallau | +1 | 20:04 |
| blogan | how is the voting going to take place? | 20:05 |
| xgerman | pound vote? | 20:05 |
| blogan | no | 20:05 |
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| blogan | its gotta be better than an irc vote | 20:06 |
| xgerman | ok, so we should use the voting server? | 20:06 |
| fnaval | +1 | 20:06 |
| johnsom | I think that is how we did it last time, but I think there is an openstack system for it | 20:06 |
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| blogan | i wasn't a fan of it last time either | 20:07 |
| johnsom | http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/ is the usual OpenStack way I think | 20:07 |
| xgerman | well, propose something… we can send out ballots by mail ;-) | 20:07 |
| sbalukoff | Heh! | 20:08 |
| dougwig | it's also usually just atc's from the project. | 20:08 |
| TrevorV | Strawpoll? | 20:08 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: +1 | 20:08 |
| dougwig | we have some flexibility, since we're technically all under armax's tyrant thumb anyway. :) | 20:08 |
| armax | dougwig: what did my thumb do this time? | 20:08 |
| johnsom | Ha, write it on the back of an octavia sticker and mail it in | 20:08 |
| dougwig | armax: just taking your name in vein. we all love you. | 20:08 |
| dougwig | vain | 20:09 |
| blogan | if we can do the cornell voting thing, that would be really good | 20:09 |
| dougwig | we can. | 20:09 |
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| armax | dougwig: someone tells me that we all waiting for the release to be over :) | 20:09 |
| blogan | alright do you knwo the logistics of it? | 20:09 |
| dougwig | blogan: i'll set it up, yes. | 20:09 |
| blogan | dougwig: alright! | 20:09 |
| xgerman | #action dougwig to set up voting | 20:10 |
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| sbalukoff | Yay! | 20:10 |
| xgerman | #topic Midcycle | 20:10 |
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| xgerman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas-mitaka-midcycle | 20:10 |
| dougwig | the date is the january range. | 20:10 |
| xgerman | so I talked with FwaaS and they are pok to colocate | 20:10 |
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| dougwig | only open question is where. since we did seattle last time, i'd like to see us cycle to san antonio, but i'm fine with wherever. | 20:11 |
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| blogan | dougwig: boise? | 20:11 |
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| sbalukoff | I'd go for Boise. | 20:11 |
| dougwig | that's open, but i figure we lose both rax and hp extras with that option. | 20:11 |
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| xgerman | yep, our budget is nowadays constraint. The printers printing money belong to another company now | 20:12 |
| blogan | lol | 20:12 |
| blogan | well fiddlesticks | 20:12 |
| sbalukoff | I'm honestly OK with whereever as well. | 20:12 |
| xgerman | also we were able to book the big conference room in our building | 20:12 |
| sbalukoff | I think we're looking at moving offices in that time frame-- so I'm reluctant to say whether Blue Box is going to be in a position to host in Seattle. | 20:13 |
| blogan | xgerman: did you book both halves? | 20:13 |
| sbalukoff | Heh! | 20:13 |
| xgerman | blogan barclay did!! | 20:13 |
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| xgerman | braclac | 20:13 |
| blogan | didnt he last time? | 20:13 |
| xgerman | yeah, he did | 20:14 |
| xgerman | but I think this time we are getting it | 20:14 |
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| barclaac | The admins are going to hate me. Got both halves | 20:14 |
| blogan | lol | 20:14 |
| barclaac | If we want to break for a working session we can even split them up | 20:14 |
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| johnsom | barclaac as long as we don't have to have people working on storage cabinets again | 20:14 |
| sbalukoff | Heh! | 20:15 |
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| barclaac | see - just haters everywhere | 20:15 |
| blogan | well i'm still all for boise, 2nd choice woudl be san antonio for same reasons as dougwig | 20:15 |
| dougwig | ok, so if we cycle, it's texas or boise. if we declare seattle the official lbaas city, we can just do that every time. :) my suggestion is texas, since we get more rax folks involved. but i'm open. | 20:16 |
| xgerman | don’t forget FWaaS - they are ok with both | 20:16 |
| blogan | kevinbenton wanted san antonio i've heard | 20:16 |
| xgerman | they did’t like Boise though... | 20:16 |
| blogan | ;) | 20:16 |
| barclaac | But aren't we coming to Texas at the summit anyway? | 20:16 |
| dougwig | kevinbenton hates the cold. | 20:16 |
| blogan | barclaac: but didnt we do seattle the last 2 times? | 20:17 |
| sbalukoff | Well... Boise in January... I guess you could go skiing. | 20:17 |
| xgerman | barclaac +1 | 20:17 |
| barclaac | It's not cold, just really wet :-P | 20:17 |
| sbalukoff | No, it can be cold. Especially if you're used to Texas temps. | 20:17 |
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| TrevorV | Lets go everywhere there is snow. I want snow. | 20:17 |
| TrevorV | I'll probably not be able to go, but snow at a possibility makes me happy | 20:17 |
| dougwig | alaska! | 20:18 |
| barclaac | Personally I'd vote for Hawaii but my boss will kill me over the travel budget. | 20:18 |
| TrevorV | Done | 20:18 |
| TrevorV | +1 dougshelley66 | 20:18 |
| TrevorV | dougwig | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | +1 on Hawai'i. | 20:18 |
| TrevorV | Dammit | 20:18 |
| johnsom | TrevorV we will buy you some shaved ice from the trucks.... | 20:18 |
| TrevorV | ... not the same thing | 20:18 |
| sbalukoff | (Just got back from there-- I'd be happy to return. :) ) | 20:18 |
| fnaval | hot tub snow | 20:18 |
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| johnsom | Maui it is! My boss voted for it | 20:19 |
| sbalukoff | Woot! | 20:19 |
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| barclaac | See - johnsom wants to get me killed | 20:19 |
| sbalukoff | That's how promotion happens in the HP empire, right? | 20:19 |
| barclaac | Don't give him ideas | 20:20 |
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| xgerman | well, so how do we decide? Vote in the ether pad, dougwig flips a coin... | 20:20 |
| johnsom | sbalukoff Does one of the locations help you to get more of the new IBM people getting involved attend? | 20:20 |
| sbalukoff | Most of them are either in San Jose or Israel. So, I don't think it makes much of a difference, actually. | 20:21 |
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| sbalukoff | Honestly-- I think dougwig is probably right: we should shoot for more RAXers there, and do it in San Antonio. | 20:21 |
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| sbalukoff | RAXers: How many, realistically, could make it if it's in Boise vs. San Antonio? | 20:23 |
| blogan | well we need to decide quickly, how bout we let the ehterpad stew a few more days and then come to a final decision | 20:23 |
| xgerman | ok, sounds good | 20:24 |
| blogan | by end of this week would be great thoguh | 20:24 |
| markvan | btw, some of the ibm folks are in MN | 20:24 |
| sbalukoff | (I'm biased toward Boise as I grew up there and would take the opportunity to visit with family while I'm there...) | 20:24 |
| blogan | before the thanksgiving week | 20:24 |
| blogan | does boise have electricity? | 20:24 |
| sbalukoff | markvan: Oh? Cool. I didn't know that. | 20:24 |
| xgerman | nice. | 20:24 |
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| markvan | sbalukoff: yup, quite a large group of openstack folks here | 20:25 |
| johnsom | They do, but they turn it off at 7pm | 20:25 |
| xgerman | #topic How the CI is failing us | 20:25 |
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| sbalukoff | blogan: Yes, but it's provided by potatoes, and the chemical reaction slows down in the winter time, so we might be a bit short on supply then. | 20:25 |
| johnsom | I think we have no scenario tests running actual code right now. This concerns me | 20:26 |
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| johnsom | We have had a couple of patches get in that were broken... | 20:26 |
| blogan | yeah did that tox change ever get reverted? sorry been out a couple of days | 20:26 |
| * johnsom eyes some folks at the table | 20:26 | |
| xgerman | yep + we see several bugs which a good CI could have caught | 20:26 |
| ptoohill | :/ | 20:26 |
| blogan | dougwig, armax ^ | 20:26 |
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| fnaval | 242697 and 215359 needs to be reviewed as well | 20:27 |
| fnaval | there is a large review up for a scenario test | 20:27 |
| armax | blogan: I think tox is still busted | 20:27 |
| blogan | so 2 problems i think that have caused this are 1) tox bug that happened last week caused some patches to basically skip tests so that the gate coudl clear up 2) scenario tests needt o be voting | 20:27 |
| armax | blogan: as far as I can tell | 20:27 |
| minwang2 | fnaval thanks for pointing it out | 20:28 |
| xgerman | and worse as a core I now need to be a human CI and install a devstack with that patch, run a scenario test manual, etc. | 20:28 |
| blogan | okay we'll have to work around it now | 20:28 |
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| xgerman | is there an ETA for when the CI will work again | 20:29 |
| blogan | xgerman: i agree, so we're going to have to rework the tox stuff and test run to actually run the tests bc of the tox bug | 20:29 |
| xgerman | ? | 20:29 |
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| sbalukoff | Eew. | 20:30 |
| blogan | whenever tox fixes their bug which if it hasn't been fixed yet i wouldn't wait | 20:30 |
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| xgerman | ok, so with M1 looming I am not sure if we have too many cycles to attack that | 20:32 |
| xgerman | or let M1 slide on some stuff and fix the CI? | 20:32 |
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| blogan | might be a simple fix, not sure | 20:32 |
| blogan | i have an idea, i might be able to get to it tonight, but if someone else wants to tackle it by all means | 20:32 |
| xgerman | well, then we stay focused on M1... | 20:33 |
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| xgerman | #action to revisit the CI situation after M1 | 20:33 |
| xgerman | #topic Brief progress reports | 20:33 |
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| evgenyf | Hi folks, I've spoted some bugs in cert managers and TLS functionality in plugin and oushed 2 change-sets, will appreciate your review | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | Hawai'i is awesome. That is my report. Oh-- and I'm getting caught up and should have more interesting things to say next week. | 20:34 |
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| johnsom | As mentioned in announcements, active/standby is good for reviews. I will be created a dependent patch to update the failover flow so I don't contribute more to the size of that patch. | 20:34 |
| sbalukoff | evgenyf: Can you link reviews here? | 20:34 |
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| evgenyf | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243218/1, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244201/ | 20:35 |
| sbalukoff | Danke! | 20:35 |
| johnsom | Should make it for the M1 goal we had. | 20:35 |
| evgenyf | sorry for no adding it in meeting's agenda, thought it will start in half an hour, I'm still on summer time.. | 20:35 |
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| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243218/1 | 20:36 |
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| TrevorV | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244201/ | 20:37 |
| sbalukoff | johnsom: Cool. | 20:37 |
| TrevorV | I got you evgenyf :D | 20:37 |
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| johnsom | Speaking of these, I see the third party CI's are failing on them and others. Do we need to poke people to take a look at those? | 20:37 |
| evgenyf | TrevorV: thanks | 20:37 |
| evgenyf | Johnsom: I will handle Radware's | 20:38 |
| xgerman | thanks | 20:38 |
| xgerman | and if A10... | 20:38 |
| minwang2 | the following patches need review: | 20:39 |
| minwang2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215359 | 20:39 |
| minwang2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242697/ | 20:39 |
| minwang2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244859/ | 20:40 |
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| johnsom | evgenyf Thanks! | 20:41 |
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| johnsom | BTW, when testing the active/standby don't forget to grab the dependent taskflow fix. It is merged, but not yet released. I hope it will go out next week | 20:42 |
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| sbalukoff | johnsom: Aah! Thanks for the heads-up. | 20:43 |
| blogan | does this fix taskflow by removing it? :) | 20:44 |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 20:44 |
| johnsom | No, but it helps us remove a bunch of extra code | 20:44 |
| blogan | i had to | 20:44 |
| johnsom | not really | 20:44 |
| xgerman | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242277/ | 20:44 |
| * johnsom grins | 20:44 | |
| xgerman | Anchor and such | 20:44 |
| xgerman | but let’s move on | 20:44 |
| xgerman | #topic Open Discussion | 20:45 |
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| sbalukoff | Question for y'all: What vacations / holidays do y'all have coming up for the end of the year? | 20:45 |
| sbalukoff | (Since this is a pretty typical time to burn through that, eh.) | 20:45 |
| xgerman | I will be gone 12/12->end of year | 20:45 |
| blogan | i have a lot | 20:46 |
| sbalukoff | I'm gone from 12/17->EOY | 20:46 |
| johnsom | Along the taskflow and removing code lines, harlowja as kind enough to fix a bug we opened in the conditional flows. | 20:46 |
| blogan | harlowja is definitely very helpful and kind | 20:46 |
| johnsom | This should allow us to merge the flows into one flow in a few cases so revert works better. | 20:46 |
| sbalukoff | So, in other words... if you want to get something merged soon, you've got about 2 weeks. Let's definitely get the Active/Standby stuff merged before then. | 20:46 |
| TrevorV | My last active day in December is the 20th | 20:47 |
| johnsom | The guy is awesome | 20:47 |
| xgerman | also don;’t forget right after that Piet has another UI review | 20:47 |
| xgerman | #link https://bluejeans.com/454453749/browser | 20:47 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:47 |
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| johnsom | I am out next week, then around the holiday in December | 20:47 |
| TrevorV | I meant the 18th... was looking at the wrong month... RIP | 20:47 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Ah yes-- thanks for the reminder, eh! | 20:47 |
| blogan | consider me off every day after next week, but i really wont be | 20:48 |
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| xgerman | well, I should have Internet on vacation so might be able to do one or the other review | 20:48 |
| blallau | @johnsom can you link Taskflow bug on launchpad? | 20:48 |
| xgerman | blogan for you vacation means that you have time to work on Octavia :-) | 20:48 |
| sbalukoff | Haha! | 20:48 |
| blogan | xgerman: sadly thats waht i am thinking | 20:49 |
| johnsom | blallu I think it was, someone else actually opened the issue. I will check | 20:49 |
| blallau | thank you ;) | 20:49 |
| johnsom | It was not linked, but is now | 20:50 |
| blallau | Great | 20:50 |
| xgerman | sbalukoff those Active-Active friends of yours… any update? | 20:51 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: Nothing to share yet. I'm also not yet up-to-date on that since returning from Hawai'i, though, either. | 20:51 |
| xgerman | oh, ok.. was curious | 20:52 |
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| sbalukoff | I will poke them to get that spec updated per the recommendations from the design summit. | 20:52 |
| xgerman | sounds good | 20:52 |
| xgerman | I think we can give everybody 8 minutes before the next meeting... | 20:52 |
| sbalukoff | Sounds good! | 20:52 |
| xgerman | #endmeeting | 20:52 |
| sbalukoff | Thanks, y'all! | 20:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:52 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 20:52:56 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:52 |
| johnsom | Ok, UI review | 20:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-11-18-20.00.html | 20:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-11-18-20.00.txt | 20:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2015/octavia.2015-11-18-20.00.log.html | 20:53 |
| fnaval | thanks | 20:53 |
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