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| n0ano | #startmeeting nova-scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 23 14:00:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| n0ano | anybody here to talk about the scheduler? | 14:00 |
| edleafe | o/ | 14:00 |
| ralonsoh | yes | 14:00 |
| n0ano | ralonsoh, a new name - welcome | 14:01 |
| ralonsoh | hello, nice to meet you | 14:01 |
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| bauzas | \o | 14:02 |
| jichen | o/ | 14:03 |
| * bauzas just caffeinating at the same time | 14:03 | |
| n0ano | OK, bleery eyed (out of milk so I can't make a latte :-( but I'm back, let's start | 14:03 |
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| Yingxin | \o | 14:03 |
| n0ano | #topic specs & BPs | 14:03 |
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| n0ano | edleafe, I believe you were going to create a new spec, did you get around to it? | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | o/ | 14:04 |
| edleafe | n0ano: yes: https://review.openstack.org/245940 | 14:04 |
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| edleafe | not much feedback yet | 14:04 |
| n0ano | well, let's ping everybody here at least | 14:05 |
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| n0ano | #action all to review the spec https://review.openstack.org/245940 | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | does that add a new configuration variable? | 14:05 |
| bauzas | edleafe: ack, CC'ing myself | 14:05 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: yes it should | 14:06 |
| edleafe | yes | 14:06 |
| bauzas | I mean technically | 14:06 |
| bauzas | conceptually, I need to read the spec :) | 14:06 |
| edleafe | you can't have a choice without a way to specify your choice :) | 14:06 |
| lxsli | o/ | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | my problem is we are working hard to get rid of variables that point to out of tree code, and it feels to go in the opposite direction | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | but anyways, I should take that to the spec review I guess | 14:07 |
| bauzas | the main problem I see is to add an entrypoint which would make an implicit contract | 14:07 |
| lxsli | edleafe: I left a comment | 14:07 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: wasn't that the point of using stevedore? | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: no | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | being more modular in the code is great, on its own | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | its this bit I always refer to, I think: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/policies.html#public-contractual-apis | 14:09 |
| bauzas | edleafe: in general, stevedore plugins imply that you have 2 in-tree plugins :) | 14:09 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: thanks, I was looking to that doc | 14:09 |
| bauzas | we only contract on the REST APIs | 14:09 |
| edleafe | bauzas: simple then: make the new RT for cassandra in-tree! :-P | 14:09 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: yeah I know | 14:09 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: I'm just thinking of anyone who could complain because we changed the interface | 14:10 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: althought it's perfectly clear that we don't guaranttee anything but the REST APIs | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | supporting upgrade is generally where life becomes hard with these things | 14:10 |
| edleafe | how would it change? If they don't do a thing, it works exactly the same | 14:10 |
| bauzas | edleafe: like, for example, I changed the filters interface | 14:10 |
| edleafe | bauzas: yes, but that changed how they *worked* | 14:11 |
| n0ano | bauzas, isn't that an API issue, don't change the API the upgrade should just work | 14:11 |
| edleafe | bauzas: how they were *loaded* didn't change | 14:11 |
| bauzas | edleafe: even if that was something internal, the entrypoint it has makes me provide an UpgradeImpact with very cautious statement that it will break out-of-tree filters | 14:11 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: IMO not the same at all | 14:11 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: well, you'll have a BaseRT interface I guess ? | 14:12 |
| bauzas | edleafe: that anyone could consule | 14:12 |
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| bauzas | consume | 14:12 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: but we were discussing *upgrade* pain | 14:12 |
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| bauzas | I mean, any out-of-tree driver could implement that interface | 14:12 |
| edleafe | Now you're talking about someone actively changing things | 14:13 |
| bauzas | edleafe: sure, now take the idea that resource-providers will change how we write the DB and will modify the RT interface for writing data | 14:13 |
| bauzas | edleafe: that would impact the BaseRT interface, right? | 14:13 |
| n0ano | bauzas, I would think service providers would not change the internal code which is what changing the way the RT wrote data would require | 14:14 |
| edleafe | bauzas: you should probably read the spec | 14:14 |
| bauzas | n0ano: resource-objects doesn't, but I'm unsure about service-providers | 14:14 |
| bauzas | edleafe: sure, fair point | 14:14 |
| edleafe | bauzas: the only thing I'm looking at changing is how the RT does its thing | 14:15 |
| edleafe | resoruce providers are not affected at all | 14:15 |
| bauzas | edleafe: okay, touché, will read the spec first | 14:15 |
| bauzas | :) | 14:15 |
| edleafe | :) | 14:15 |
| n0ano | I'm seeing a confusion between publicly available REST APIs and internal nova APIs, we should keep that distinction in mind | 14:15 |
| n0ano | anyway, read the spec and comment | 14:16 |
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| edleafe | n0ano: but the way filters work is essentially a public API, since we allow out-of-tree filters | 14:16 |
| bauzas | n0ano: yup, to be clear, I'll read the spec with http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/policies.html#public-contractual-apis in mind | 14:16 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: that's where the problem is | 14:16 |
| bauzas | edleafe: there is a big misunderstanding about what nova guarantees | 14:17 |
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| lxsli | edleafe: not explicitly preventing out-of-tree filters doesn't make it a public API | 14:17 |
| bauzas | yeah that | 14:17 |
| n0ano | edleafe, well, `any` plugin essentially becomes a public API but the plugin has to follow the internal APIs, an external plugin for Juno is not guaranteed to work with Liberty | 14:17 |
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| edleafe | well, either nova has to provide every filtering possibility in-tree, or allow out-of-tree with a standard interface | 14:17 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: to be clear, we have plugins for in-tree choiice | 14:17 |
| lxsli | edleafe: or accept limited filtering potential :) | 14:18 |
| edleafe | lxsli: translation: we know what's best for your cloud! | 14:18 |
| bauzas | edleafe: ie. if you have 2 implementations of the same interface in-tree, then you open a entrypoint | 14:18 |
| bauzas | having that interface plus that entrypoint makes out-of-tree hacking easier, but it's not a contract | 14:18 |
| edleafe | bauzas: that was never the design goal. It was always the case that we considered people would need their custom filters | 14:19 |
| bauzas | edleafe: sure | 14:19 |
| bauzas | edleafe: but since, we clarified our position, hence johnthetubaguy's doc | 14:19 |
| bauzas | edleafe: so, if you prefer, I'm fine with having a pluggable RT if we have *tw | 14:20 |
| bauzas | *two* in-tree implementations | 14:20 |
| lxsli | +1 | 14:20 |
| bauzas | edleafe: I'm a bit more concerned about a driver which would propose *one* in-tree implementation | 14:20 |
| edleafe | Fine with me | 14:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I still think the scheduler client should be extended to the point, that its easy for experiments to just use that seam | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, left comments on the spec | 14:21 |
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| n0ano | I'm actually +1 with the two implementations because why bother to expose the plugin if there's only one | 14:21 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I feel it's doable to experiment some stuff by overriding the sched client, indeed | 14:21 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: but the same arguments apply to the number of in-tree clients, no? | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | hey guys, sorry for being late :( | 14:21 |
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| edleafe | isn't that why you didn't want me to make the choice of client configurable? | 14:22 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: do you really need stevedore for testing a Cassandra RT driver? | 14:22 |
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| bauzas | to be franck | 14:22 |
| bauzas | ah | 14:22 |
| bauzas | frank even | 14:22 |
| bauzas | since you explained it's your goal | 14:22 |
| edleafe | bauzas: or kafka, or cassandra, or whatever else people might be interested in | 14:22 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: just speaking of the experiment you want to have | 14:23 |
| edleafe | I've already created the POC I had at Tokyo that hacked the RT | 14:23 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: so what's the purpose of enabling an out-of-tree hook ? | 14:23 |
| edleafe | any alternative proposal that involve handling the data differently will need the same hack | 14:24 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: sure, but that's because we don't need any alternative in-tree for the moment :) | 14:24 |
| n0ano | guys, I think we're arguing in circles a little here | 14:25 |
| n0ano | maybe we should just read the spec and comment there? | 14:25 |
| lxsli | yes, any other specs to discuss? | 14:25 |
| bauzas | n0ano: yup, agreed | 14:25 |
| ralonsoh | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/aggregate-extra-specs-filter | 14:25 |
| edleafe | eh, it's already -2'd, so... | 14:25 |
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| n0ano | ralonsoh, any specific issue with the spec or do you just want to get attention on it? | 14:26 |
| ralonsoh | It was approved last release | 14:26 |
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| ralonsoh | And there was code in review | 14:26 |
| ralonsoh | But the code was rejected by bauzas because the new class created | 14:27 |
| ralonsoh | He proposed to include this code in the SpecsFilter | 14:27 |
| lxsli | ooh that bauzas! | 14:27 |
| ralonsoh | Sorry hehehe | 14:27 |
| * n0ano I wonder if that bauzas guy is around to comment :-) | 14:27 | |
| claudiub | hi. expose-host-capabilities spec, if you could read it, it would be great. could use some suggestions on the scheduler part. Uploading a new PS shortly: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222200/4 | 14:28 |
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| ralonsoh | I don't want to use your time now | 14:28 |
| ralonsoh | Only to point it | 14:28 |
| n0ano | ralonsoh, that's fine, this is exactly what we're here for, I'm guessing bauzas is review the spec again | 14:29 |
| bauzas | sorry, was diverted | 14:29 |
| ralonsoh | no problem | 14:29 |
| lxsli | johnthetubaguy: can we remove the procedural -2 on that? | 14:30 |
| n0ano | bauzas, NP, want to comment on ralonsoh's issue or just comment on the spec | 14:30 |
| bauzas | ralonsoh: so, IIRC, I was having some concerns about some concept duplication that you were introducing | 14:30 |
| lxsli | johnthetubaguy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189279 | 14:30 |
| bauzas | ralonsoh: so I need to reboot my mind with your spec | 14:30 |
| lxsli | action bauzas to re-review? | 14:30 |
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| ralonsoh | thanks! | 14:31 |
| bauzas | lxsli: agreed | 14:31 |
| n0ano | #action bauzas to re-review https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/aggregate-extra-specs-filter | 14:31 |
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| lxsli | thanks n0ano | 14:31 |
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| * n0ano wields the action power - bwahaha | 14:32 | |
| bauzas | claudiub: in my pipe | 14:32 |
| n0ano | anyway, moving on | 14:32 |
| n0ano | #topic bugs | 14:32 |
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| claudiub | bauzas: cool, ty. | 14:32 |
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| n0ano | although we have 34 bugs I note that 12 are wishlist items but that still leaves 22 outstanding | 14:33 |
| lxsli | claudiub: initial reaction is that this is treading on a very uncertain area and it's going to take quite a bit of work to get agreement | 14:33 |
| bauzas | well, markus_z is not around | 14:33 |
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| claudiub | lxsli: yeah, I agree, which is why I need help on that, M-1 is steadly approaching. | 14:33 |
| bauzas | n0ano: the bug triage could probably have some lagging | 14:33 |
| n0ano | I've got a team I can point at the list, I'll see if I can get them to take on some of these | 14:33 |
| bauzas | n0ano: we are missing nova bug triagers you know :) | 14:34 |
| lxsli | n0ano: I think markus_z would appreciate the help | 14:34 |
| n0ano | let me triage, I just mark everything as NOTABUG and move on :-) | 14:34 |
| lxsli | BROKEN_AS_DESIGNED | 14:34 |
| bauzas | yup, that's confirmed, some bugs are untriaged | 14:34 |
| claudiub | lxsli: but during the mitaka summit, during some nova session, it was concluded that we need something like this in nova. | 14:34 |
| edleafe | lxsli: +1 (was just typing the same comment) | 14:35 |
| bauzas | like https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1517770 | 14:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1517770 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "NULL free_disk_gb causes scheduler failure" [Undecided,New] | 14:35 |
| edleafe | lxsli: about the help | 14:35 |
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| n0ano | claudiub, lxsli are you guys trying to hijack this channel :-) | 14:35 |
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| lxsli | n0ano: sorry, overflow from specs part :) | 14:35 |
| claudiub | sorry. :( | 14:35 |
| n0ano | lxsli, claudiub NP it just makes things even more confusing | 14:36 |
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| n0ano | #action more scheduler bug triaging by all | 14:36 |
| n0ano | moving on | 14:36 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 14:36 |
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| n0ano | anything new from anyone? | 14:37 |
| n0ano | hearing crickets, last chance | 14:37 |
| edleafe | just a reminded that this will be a slow week for US-based stackers | 14:37 |
| edleafe | big holiday | 14:37 |
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| lxsli | bauzas: how do you feel about persist request spec? | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | lxsli: I can't remove a procedural -2 until the blueprint is approved | 14:38 |
| n0ano | edleafe, indeed, technically I'm on vacation but I just couldn't stay away :-) | 14:38 |
| bauzas | lxsli: some weird issue is occurring, I need time for investigating that | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | lxsli: happy to follow up with folks on how to get the blueprint approved | 14:38 |
| lxsli | ralonsoh: ^^ | 14:38 |
| * bauzas not joking about the whole pack of holidays that US folks have | 14:39 | |
| lxsli | bauzas: OK thanks | 14:39 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, I though the BP wasn't approve because there wasn't a spec - I'm so confused | 14:39 |
| lxsli | n0ano: the spec got -2 for "should be specless BP" | 14:39 |
| edleafe | bauzas: Thursday is the holiday. Wife and daughter have the whole week off. | 14:39 |
| bauzas | :) | 14:40 |
| n0ano | lxsli, but at the last meeting the result was needs a spec | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: basically the same process as the last two cycles, as documented here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Process#How_do_I_get_my_blueprint_approved.3F | 14:40 |
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| bauzas | well, the problem I had with that filters wasn't code-related, but rather a problem about whether that filter was necessary or not | 14:40 |
| bauzas | (IIRC) | 14:41 |
| bauzas | so I don't know if that's a specless BP, but I still have some concerns about if all of that is okay or not :) | 14:41 |
| ralonsoh | bauzas that filter give the admin more choices | 14:41 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: are you saying that the filtering need can be met with the existing filter(s)? | 14:42 |
| ralonsoh | bauzas but thanks to give a second review | 14:42 |
| bauzas | edleafe: perhaps | 14:42 |
| lxsli | even if it can't quite, might be better to extend the existing filter than create a whole new one | 14:42 |
| bauzas | ralonsoh: the problem that I have is that we really suck (IMHO :D) about what's a good filter UI | 14:42 |
| bauzas | well, not UI, rather UX | 14:42 |
| bauzas | ie. how we define the interaction between the user and the filter | 14:43 |
| bauzas | for example we don't fully commit ourselves on verifying the semantics overlapping between filters | 14:43 |
| ralonsoh | that's fair enough | 14:43 |
| lxsli | for in-tree filters I definitely don't want duplication | 14:43 |
| bauzas | and as a consequence, they are 2 filters that are using the same metadata key for example | 14:44 |
| edleafe | lxsli: duplication is one thing; overlap is another | 14:44 |
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| bauzas | that's very confusing for operators | 14:44 |
| lxsli | edleafe: duplication of functionality I mean, same as overlap afaict? | 14:44 |
| bauzas | lots of them are complaining on how we suck about filters documentation | 14:44 |
| bauzas | for all of us, did you ever tried to play with a filter without reading code? | 14:45 |
| n0ano | bauzas, too true | 14:45 |
| edleafe | lxsli: not necessarily. Everything is intertwined to some degree :) | 14:45 |
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| bauzas | so, that's my biggest concern with that new filter | 14:45 |
| bauzas | I mean | 14:45 |
| edleafe | bauzas: +1 to not having to read the code | 14:45 |
| bauzas | I totally got the usecase | 14:45 |
| lxsli | Time to take this offline? | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: similar to the REST API and config options right now, sadly, its a big issue we must fix very soon :( | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | clearer documentation, that is | 14:46 |
| bauzas | so, I said in the precedent meeting that I have an action about providing some bits for newcomers | 14:46 |
| bauzas | and I sucked at that too | 14:46 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, why do I have visions of the Agean stables | 14:46 |
| bauzas | so, you should rather hassle me for fulfilling my action items and do the necessary for having people able to write docs | 14:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | at least one of our priorities this release is to improve our REST API docs, and thats the interface we have the most users for, so some progress is good | 14:47 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: true, but the scheduler filters are out of the doc scope that has been prioritized, true? | 14:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: do you mean this stuff, or something different? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Mentoring | 14:48 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/filter_scheduler.html | 14:48 |
| lxsli | bauzas: yes, but there's nothing stopping us improving filter doc meanwhile | 14:48 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: ^ that has to vhange | 14:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | its a priority call, REST API has more users | 14:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | I hope | 14:49 |
| n0ano | I think we're rambling a bit, let's take anything else to the nova channel | 14:49 |
| Yingxin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246476/5 host manager is already implemented to use stevedore :) | 14:49 |
| bauzas | lxsli: true, and see 4a) here http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-11-16-14.01.html | 14:49 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: sure | 14:49 |
| lxsli | bauzas: :) | 14:49 |
| n0ano | So tnx everyone and we'll talk again next week | 14:49 |
| lxsli | cheers all o/ | 14:49 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 14:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 23 14:49:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-11-23-14.00.html | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-11-23-14.00.txt | 14:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2015/nova_scheduler.2015-11-23-14.00.log.html | 14:50 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 23 16:00:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
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| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, haypo, | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek, gcb | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:00 |
| bogdando | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | yo yo all | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi! | 16:00 |
| gcb | o/ | 16:00 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:00 |
| sileht | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | i will be your pilot for today :-P | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims is afaik out busy | 16:00 |
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| stevemar | i'll tune in this week! | 16:00 |
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| harlowja_at_home | stevemar, thanks, i will play your top 10 requests at the end of the show, ha | 16:01 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:01 |
| haypo | hi | 16:01 |
| stevemar | harlowja_at_home: give me anything from dims' greatest hits | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | stevemar, lol, def | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | soooo let's get started with the awesomeness | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
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| bknudson | nothing from keystone that I know of | 16:02 |
| bknudson | I guess we'll have to change the libs to drop support for py26 | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-P | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | drop py26 from all the things, ha | 16:03 |
| haypo | is it ok to drop python 2.6 support from stevedore or not? | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, ^ any thoughts on that? | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | if we're not going to have a way to test it, then I think it's ok | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | we had liberty neutron broken by some internal renames in oslo.messaging | 16:03 |
| dhellmann | do we have someone who wants to maintain it? | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | haypo dhellmann , let's wait for further discussion actually i got a topic for that | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | there was a backport: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247276/ but it's abandoned and I assume it will be (is?) fixed oslo.messaging side. | 16:04 |
| dhellmann | ihrachys : were they private symbols? | 16:04 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: ok | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: yes | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | haypo, thx | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : ack | 16:04 |
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| ihrachys | dhellmann: since in liberty gate we don't rely on constraints, it broke. | 16:04 |
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| dhellmann | ihrachys : I'm not sure why this would be fixed "on the oslo.messaging side"? do you mean with a requirements change in the liberty branch? | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: not sure but I quote comment in the backport "We're going to create an alias to the old name in oslo.messaging and release that, then blacklist oslo.messaging 2.6.0->the release that has the alias in stable/liberty g-r." | 16:05 |
| dhellmann | ok, I guess mriedeman and dims worked that out | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: I believe the best path would be applying constraints. if not, fixing neutron. if not, oslo.messaging. Not sure why we start in reverse order | 16:06 |
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| dhellmann | ihrachys : the constraints work is going to take a lot of time, I think. I agree it might have been faster to fix neutron. | 16:06 |
| dhellmann | ihrachys : and I hope someone is fixing the master branch of neutron | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: actually the patch to enable constraints for neutron in L is up for review | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: master is fixed, yes | 16:07 |
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| harlowja_at_home | is it just a fix in neutron to not use a private symbol of oslo.messaging? | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | good | 16:08 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : yeah, although in the stable branch it becomes a question of what name *should* be used because different versions of the lib have that private symbol in different places | 16:08 |
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| ihrachys | harlowja_at_home: not really: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247276/1/setup.cfg | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | ihrachys : those old names in neutron's setup.cfg should be deprecated and removed asap | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: ack | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | I will put up a deprecation patch for M | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | ihrachys : ty | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | we won't be able to drop before N | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | right | 16:09 |
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| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, ihrachys thx, i get it now i think | 16:09 |
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| ihrachys | should have been dropped a lot earlier, mea culpa | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we should probably audit all the projects for these old names | 16:10 |
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| ihrachys | dhellmann: yeah, I once copied that from glance | 16:11 |
| * harlowja_at_home just thinking but could https://github.com/openstack/debtcollector/blob/master/debtcollector/moves.py#L111 or other of its moved API(s) be used here... | 16:11 | |
| harlowja_at_home | * in oslo.messaging | 16:11 |
| ihrachys | nothing more from my side, sorry for taking too much time on that one | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | np ihrachys | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | any other red flags from folks? | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | yellow flags are ok to | 16:13 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ok, assuming not :-P | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Releases for Mitaka | 16:14 |
| * haypo only has white flags | 16:14 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | haypo, u should order some red or yellow flags from amazon, lol | 16:14 |
| haypo | ;) | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | sooo https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248391/ is out from dims | 16:14 |
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| harlowja_at_home | 'All Libraries that have dropped py2.6 support have had a major version bump specified.' | 16:14 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ^ so please check that out | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | there are alot of releases in it :) | 16:15 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: it's huge. is there an etherpad with the list somewhere maybe? | 16:15 |
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| dhellmann | haypo : the list? | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | of changes? | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | #link http://logs.openstack.org/91/248391/4/check/gate-releases-tox-list-changes/c76116b/console.html | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | oh nice, i didn't know that job exists | 16:16 |
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| harlowja_at_home | haypo, is that what u were thinking? | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | I asked on the review, but before we cut all of those we should make sure the trove classifiers are updated in all the libs. Was that done? | 16:17 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #action harlowja check all the trove classifiers | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, i'll verify | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | i guess this is where stevedore question comes into play | 16:18 |
| haypo | yes | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I think it's fine to drop 2.6 support there | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | did we have someone who wanted to keep it and was willing to do that work? | 16:18 |
| haypo | dhellmann: i don't think that linux distro care of python 2.6 anymore | 16:19 |
| * harlowja_at_home not it | 16:19 | |
| dhellmann | infra is going to remove 2.6 from the test images, so we won't be able to run the tests on our CI system | 16:19 |
| gcb | drop python 2.6 support in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246257/ | 16:19 |
| haypo | dhellmann: i mean, distro using python 2.6 for "python" are no more upgraded, only backport fixes | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx gcb | 16:19 |
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| dhellmann | gcb, were you suggesting that we need to keep it, or not sure why haypo had submitted that patch? | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | in that review i see 'gate-stevedore-python26' | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, do u know if infra will chop off all those jobs or should we | 16:20 |
| gcb | dhellmann, I'm not sure if we need to keep it | 16:20 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anyone want to do a simple audit to see if other 'gate-stevedore-python26' jobs are alive that probably should not be anymore... | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : we should go ahead and drop them. I think that will let infra remove the job definitions entirely. | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:21 |
| gcb | I will check that | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | gcb : we are going to stop supporting 2.6, so we do not want to advertise that stevedore supports 2.6 any more | 16:21 |
| gcb | agree | 16:22 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #action harlowja figure out / remove any jobs for 2.6 that are still in infra yaml files | 16:22 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ^ others feel free to do this also (i'm just keeping a note that this needs to happen) | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | if anyone feels like parsing and looking at the infra yaml files before I do, feel free ;) | 16:23 |
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| harlowja_at_home | its a super-fun activity | 16:23 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ok next topic i suppose | 16:24 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Moment of silence for python 2.6 | 16:24 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ok, a 10 second moment of silence for the farewell of 2.6 | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | haha | 16:24 |
| haypo | for new releases, we may have some issues in oslo.config docstrings using versionadded/versionchanged | 16:25 |
| haypo | but it's not a big deal, it can be fixed later | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | harlowja : I'll do the project-config update if you like | 16:25 |
| haypo | i'm still supposed to write a tool to detect that ;) | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, thats fine with me | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | haypo, tool to detect that ftw | 16:25 |
| haypo | otherwise, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248391/ looks good to me | 16:26 |
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| haypo | major versions is increased for all released projects, except of pylockfile | 16:26 |
| haypo | i guess that pylockfile still supports python 2.6, or at least didn't drop py 2.6 support explicitly | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool, i also noted that major version bump for taskflow, which hasn't had 2.6 support for a while now, so i'll write a comment on that review | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : https://review.openstack.org/248802 | 16:28 |
| gcb | we don't say pylockfile support python 2.6 in setup.cfg | 16:29 |
| gcb | now | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | haypo : since pylockfile has a version < 1.0, semver doesn't require a major version update for this change | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, thx that was quick | 16:30 |
| haypo | gcb: now, but python 2.6 was in setup.cfg a few weeks ago :) | 16:31 |
| haypo | gcb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246240/ | 16:31 |
| haypo | dhellmann: ok | 16:31 |
| gcb | haypo, my mistake, I just my local copy | 16:31 |
| haypo | dhellmann: would it be possible to switch to 1.0? | 16:32 |
| gcb | just saw my local copy | 16:32 |
| haypo | dhellmann: pylockfile is stable enough, no? | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | good ole pylockfile | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | haypo : sure. talk to dims? | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | haypo, do u want to be the primary owner of pylockfile ;) | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | it needs a owner :-/ | 16:32 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: sorry, no | 16:33 |
| haypo | dhellmann: i don't think that it's worth to delay releases just for that | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, so i wonder if that why dims doesn't want to bump to 1.0 | 16:33 |
| haypo | dhellmann: i will just add a comment | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | haypo : sure, and we can re-tag it as 1.0 later, too | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool, so seems like we got all that under control | 16:35 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: are we done with the release change? | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | haypo, well i added my comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248391/ | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | need dims to check them, not sure why taskflow and tooz are being bumped major version | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | they havent support 2.6 for a while now :-P | 16:36 |
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| haypo | harlowja_at_home: yeah, i just read your comment. but dims is not here, so there is no need to wait, no? | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | right, we can chat on the review | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | and/or after the meeting when dims comes back | 16:36 |
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| harlowja_at_home | haypo, any other 2.6 items on your mind? | 16:37 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: sorry, i didn't follow the topic. i just put +2 blindly on random changes :) | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | thats cool | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | haha | 16:37 |
| haypo | lol | 16:37 |
| gcb | trivial python 2.6 clean up ? | 16:38 |
| gcb | we just remove the python 2.6 classifier , and need some clean up | 16:38 |
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| harlowja_at_home | gcb, in pylockfile? or cleanup elsewhere? | 16:38 |
| haypo | as i wrote to gcb, i don't think that it matters if gcb changes to "drop" python 2.6 support are incomplete. if someone find other code which can be simplified later, it's fine | 16:39 |
| haypo | so i don't spend too much time on reviewing these changes | 16:39 |
| haypo | (they all looked good to me, except of some minor comments) | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | haypo : yeah, this is about communicating support rather than actually making "breaking" changes | 16:39 |
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| gcb | I'm working on all libs , just summit a few commits | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | gcb, cool, thanks | 16:40 |
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| haypo | dhellmann: yep | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | alright let's switch to open disccusion for anything else | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:41 |
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| harlowja_at_home | oh also, don't forget https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo-specs,n,z | 16:41 |
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| haypo | harlowja_at_home: ok, i would like to find fresh blood, find new core reviewers | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | haypo, +1 from me | 16:41 |
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| haypo | as we started to discuss privately, it would help to have some tools to detect them | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | yup | 16:42 |
| haypo | is there a process to "elect" someone? | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | crappy code @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246682/ haypo can be improved to find new blood | 16:42 |
| gcb | how to reduce oslo bugs ? I found some bugs were fixed , but still open or in progress | 16:42 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: can we put all info on the core reviewer process somewhere? | 16:43 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: i would prefer to have a transparent and public process | 16:43 |
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| harlowja_at_home | haypo, it might all be documented somewhere already, i'm not to sure | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | but yes, +1 for public stuff | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | haypo, process i think is probably documented somewhere, but the process i follow is, 1, find person that might be interested, 2, ask them (just to be sure they are really interested), use https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator/blob/master/tools/new_core.py to make email, send email to openstack-dev, wait, then see if ok or not, then add or not add as new core | 16:44 |
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| harlowja_at_home | if no wiki or something exists already we should make one | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | there has to be something someone has made somewhere :-P | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | some of the other teams have developer references in their repo. Since we didn't have "a" repo, we started adding some of that info to our specs repo under policies. | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/oslo-specs/#team-policies | 16:45 |
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| haypo | harlowja_at_home: i take the action of documenting the process, or complete the existing doc | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | #action haypo document new core reviewer process(es) | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | boris-42, yt | 16:46 |
| haypo | dhellmann: do you mean that i should write a spec to describe the process? | 16:46 |
| dhellmann | haypo : we put them in the specs repo, but we didn't really call them "specs" | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | IIRC, there was a separate template for policies | 16:47 |
| haypo | dhellmann: but technically, i have to write a review to add a new "spec"? | 16:47 |
| dhellmann | haypo : right, that's how you get things into that repo | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | boris-42, since https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103825/ appears to be picking up momentum agian, just wanted to see if u wanted to discuss anything about it | 16:48 |
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| haypo | dhellmann: ok, thanks | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | nobody has made a auto-writing-spec program yet? :-P | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | haypo : I would expect a lot less discussion, and more follow-up patches, on a policy review | 16:48 |
| haypo | dhellmann: yeah :) | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | haypo : the ones I wrote were almost all just better documentation of things we were already doing | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | they were easy to review, and then we could add to them over time | 16:49 |
| haypo | " don't forget https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo-specs,n,z " i just completly forgot that :-/ | 16:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | haypo, don't forget it | 16:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:49 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: forget what? sorry, i already forgot | 16:50 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:50 |
| gcb | haha | 16:50 |
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| haypo | harlowja_at_home: haha | 16:50 |
| harlowja_at_home | haypo, feel free to also document https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator/blob/master/tools/new_core_recruit.py in your little writeup | 16:51 |
| haypo | harlowja_at_home: hum ok | 16:51 |
| harlowja_at_home | that was going to be my new recruit/blood template | 16:51 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ^ with mission impossible theme in it, lol | 16:52 |
| haypo | ok, next week i hope that we will have 100 more core reviewers | 16:52 |
| haypo | :-D | 16:52 |
| haypo | (at least) | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | obviously | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | why stop at 100 | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | why not 1000 | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | 1million | 16:53 |
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| haypo | ok, more seriously 1 or 2 at least would be great | 16:53 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:53 |
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| harlowja_at_home | guess we are wondering outside of meeting area, lol | 16:53 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anything else from folks or we can end it and move to #openstack-oslo | 16:54 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ding | 16:54 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:54 |
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| haypo | harlowja_at_home: thanks to replacing dims ;) | 16:55 |
| harlowja_at_home | np :) | 16:55 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 23 16:55:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-11-23-16.00.html | 16:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-11-23-16.00.txt | 16:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-11-23-16.00.log.html | 16:55 |
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| lifeless | harlowja: o/ | 18:14 |
| harlowja | lifeless yo late :-P | 18:14 |
| harlowja | *you | 18:14 |
| harlowja | by a few hours i thinks, ha | 18:14 |
| lifeless | harlowja: 7am :) | 18:14 |
| harlowja | unless there is another meeting and i'm supposed to be in it | 18:14 |
| harlowja | whichcase i'm the late one then, ha | 18:14 |
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| harlowja | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2015/oslo.2015-11-23-16.00.html lifeless (if thats the one u intersted in) | 18:16 |
| lifeless | harlowja: yeah, its all in my backscroll | 18:18 |
| harlowja | kk | 18:18 |
| lifeless | harlowja: I was just o/ | 18:18 |
| harlowja | oh | 18:18 |
| harlowja | ha | 18:18 |
| lifeless | harlowja: the courtesy ping | 18:18 |
| harlowja | \o | 18:18 |
| harlowja | \o/ | 18:19 |
| harlowja | ha | 18:19 |
| lifeless | /o/ | 18:19 |
| lifeless | \o\ | 18:19 |
| lifeless | |o| | 18:19 |
| lifeless | |o| | 18:19 |
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| harlowja | :) | 18:22 |
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| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 23 19:00:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-10-23 | 19:01 |
| catherineD | roll call | 19:01 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 19:04 |
| alevine | o/ | 19:05 |
| catherineD | hello ... | 19:05 |
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| catherineD | alevine: welcome ... | 19:06 |
| alevine | hi. thanks :) | 19:06 |
| catherineD | a lot of people are on vacation this week ... so I did not put a lot of topics for today's dicussion ... | 19:07 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-10-23 | 19:07 |
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| catherineD | alevine: we are glad to have you here ... pls bring up any topics during the open discussion section | 19:09 |
| catherineD | #topic Refstack and subunit data | 19:09 |
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| catherineD | alevine: to recap you know that refstack only accept data in JSON format which is defined by refstack ... | 19:10 |
| alevine | catherineD: ok. Maybe next time. I'm working on the promised blueprints/specs now but they are not ready yet for the start of discussion. | 19:10 |
| hogepodge | is that link correct? I'm getting a blank etherpad | 19:10 |
| catherineD | we try to allow uploading of subunit data format ... | 19:11 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: you are right typo ... | 19:11 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-15-11-23 | 19:11 |
| alevine | catherineD: yes I know. However for the sakes of using external test suites some of the json's will have to be upgraded a little. | 19:12 |
| catherineD | alevine: sure ... pls propse any update needed | 19:12 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: alevine: the link should be good now ... | 19:13 |
| alevine | catherineD: working on it. | 19:13 |
| catherineD | so one of the field we need is CPID (cloud provider id) which is originally define by this spec | 19:14 |
| catherineD | #link Original uuid spec: https://github.com/openstack/refstack/blob/master/specs/proposed/refstack-org-api-cloud-uuid.rst | 19:14 |
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| catherineD | during IRC meeting last week we agreed that we will use hash of keystone URL as CPID ... this is inaddition to the current method which is using keystone id | 19:15 |
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| catherineD | so the logic will be 1) first try to get keystone id if fail 2) get use the hash of keystone url ... | 19:16 |
| catherineD | with that I kind of concern about the conisistency of the CPID value ... | 19:17 |
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| catherineD | the question is what is the advantage and gain we get from using keystone service id ... should we just use the hash of the URL? | 19:17 |
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| hogepodge | I think so. | 19:18 |
| catherineD | yup .. I just don't see the value of using the keystone service id if we also allow using the hash of url ... | 19:19 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: do you think we need to present this at the defcore meeting ... or do the refstack team just make the decision since we already allow using hashed url amyway .. | 19:21 |
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| hogepodge | I don't think defcore needs to sign off on it. It's actually a nice solution since it give foundation another way to verify results. You can notify committee of the change though | 19:21 |
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| catherineD | OK will do | 19:22 |
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| catherineD | #agreed For the Mitaka cycle RefStack will allow uploading of the subunit data format from refstack-client , hashed of keystone url will be used as CPID | 19:25 |
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| catherineD | that means that refstack-client will accept the subunit data format, process it to create the JSON data and then upload to RefStack server | 19:26 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 19:27 |
| alevine | catherineD: I'm sorry, I might be a little slow to get into the stuff so maybe I'm late. But what do we do for Amazon? The cloud doesn't have keystone. | 19:27 |
| catherineD | alevine: it should have url right? | 19:27 |
| alevine | catherineD: For sure. | 19:27 |
| catherineD | a url toget to the cloud | 19:27 |
| catherineD | that is what we will use ... and that is the change that we propose here ... may be I should re-phrase the agreement | 19:28 |
| davidlenwell | openstack isn't expected to be interopable with amazon.. so refstack wouldn't test it | 19:28 |
| alevine | catherineD: Yes I was scared by the "keystone" part. | 19:28 |
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| alevine | davidlenwell: We did talk about this during the summit and even Chris (if I don't mistake the name) wasn't against RefStack used to verify EC2. Just not as a part of certification of course. | 19:29 |
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| catherineD | #agreed For the Nitaka cycle, RefStack will allow uploading of the subunit data format from refstack-client hashed of the url used to access the cloud will be used as CPID | 19:30 |
| catherineD | eh typo again | 19:30 |
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| catherineD | #agreed #agreed For the Mitaka cycle, RefStack will allow uploading of the subunit data format from refstack-client, hashed of the url used to access the cloud will be used as CPID | 19:31 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: +1 | 19:31 |
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| catherineD | davidlenwell: thx | 19:32 |
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| catherineD | davidlenwell: I also suggest that we should no longer using the Keystone service ID as the CPID ... only use hash of the URL | 19:32 |
| davidlenwell | catherineD: I think thats fine | 19:33 |
| catherineD | great ... at least with that CPID always means the same thing ... | 19:33 |
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| catherineD | So one of the action item for me last week is to take a loo at the size of the subunit data file | 19:34 |
| davidlenwell | yes.. wasn't that for you catherineD? | 19:34 |
| catherineD | the largest file that I have seen so far is 12 MB. | 19:34 |
| catherineD | yes that is for me | 19:35 |
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| catherineD | the 12 MB file would have around 1200 pass tests .. | 19:35 |
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| catherineD | to me that is not a small file ... | 19:37 |
| davidlenwell | its not too large either | 19:37 |
| davidlenwell | especially if you are uploading from some lab or data center.. usually you have good bandwidth and 12mb is nothing | 19:37 |
| alevine | catherineD: if we want to allow external test suites we need to define and enforce a limit for this. It can be discussed later but since you're on it right now, just wanted to mention. | 19:38 |
| catherineD | yup so concurrency is the other keys that we need to worry about ... | 19:38 |
| catherineD | alevine: that is perfectly alright ... this is our last topic for today ... | 19:39 |
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| catherineD | alevine: so the way we limit the size right now is by doing the processing of the subunit data at the client side | 19:39 |
| catherineD | alevine: this is very important when testing is done at the server side (centralize testing) | 19:40 |
| davidlenwell | I really think the api should be flexible .. and 12 mb isn't large enough to not add the functionality .. and like alevine says being able to accept subunit allows the api to accept data from more sources.. | 19:40 |
| davidlenwell | It hink its worth doing | 19:40 |
| catherineD | the way the test run today is to finish all test runs store data to the subnit file and then process ... | 19:40 |
| davidlenwell | thats just my humble opinion | 19:40 |
| alevine | catherineD: I'm saying that there should be some rules defined so that external clients who'd want to add their own tests had a chance to verify something upfront. | 19:41 |
| alevine | catherineD: But I'll have to mention it in my specs anyways. | 19:41 |
| catherineD | alevine: sorry I was still on the subunit subject | 19:41 |
| alevine | catherineD: I thought me too. I was referring to the 12mb of output. | 19:42 |
| catherineD | alevine: in your mind where is testing done? at the client side or server (RefStack) side? | 19:43 |
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| alevine | catherineD: currently client-side. With centralized testing - test-server side. Which might not be the RefStack-server side. Most probably it is not. So yes, not RefStack-server side. | 19:44 |
| catherineD | if the test is run at the client size ... we can limit the data by only send the JSON file which is small because it only contains the pass test case names | 19:44 |
| alevine | catherineD: Ok I see that I'm too early with this. Sorry. Let's discuss all of the implications in specs on the matter. | 19:45 |
| catherineD | alevine: I think you and I are both forsee and concern about the size of subunit file can be big ... | 19:46 |
| alevine | catherineD: exactly | 19:46 |
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| catherineD | that is why in this cycle we will allow uploading of subunit data but only from the client side .. with that the client size can process and reduce the data being upload | 19:48 |
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| catherineD | but we still need a long term solution later .. | 19:48 |
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| alevine | catherineD: ok. agree. | 19:49 |
| catherineD | alevine: I think the next important step for you is that refstack need to enable testing of external tests with tempest plugin | 19:49 |
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| alevine | catherineD: yes we have the code that does it. Now we need to present it to, guys, you so that you accept it :) | 19:50 |
| catherineD | that is great ... | 19:50 |
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| catherineD | we have a POC for refstack sometime ago could you take a look to see how close yours and this code are: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214571/ | 19:53 |
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| alevine | catherineD: we'll look | 19:55 |
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| catherineD | alevine: thank you ... enable plug-in is our next priority for refstack-client | 19:55 |
| alevine | catherineD: perfect | 19:55 |
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| catherineD | #topic Open discussion | 19:55 |
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| catherineD | anything else ? | 19:56 |
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| rockyg | so, this discussion on whether a linux guest should be required.... | 19:56 |
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| catherineD | This week is Thanksgiving Holidays in the US ... a lot of people are on vacation .. expect slow week | 19:57 |
| catherineD | hi rockyg: we did not discuss that ... | 19:57 |
| rockyg | Wanted the input from refstack folks | 19:57 |
| catherineD | rockyg: go ahead ..yup important topic | 19:58 |
| rockyg | yeah. I think we should. Especially imact to refstack code base. | 19:58 |
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| catherineD | rockyg: maybe put it on next week agenda? | 19:58 |
| rockyg | sounds good. | 19:59 |
| catherineD | to ensure that we discuss it | 19:59 |
| rockyg | big question is how much of refstack client is shell scripts rather than python or other OS independent languages | 19:59 |
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| catherineD | alright ... that is all the time we have ... Have a nice Thanksgiving Holiday! | 20:00 |
| rockyg | Thanks! | 20:00 |
| rockyg | Happy turkey day! | 20:00 |
| catherineD | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 23 20:00:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-11-23-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-11-23-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2015/refstack.2015-11-23-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
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| rellerreller | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 23 20:00:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rellerreller. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
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| rellerreller | #topic Roll Call | 20:01 |
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| kfarr | \o/ | 20:01 |
| diazjf | o/ | 20:01 |
| rellerreller | o/ | 20:01 |
| edtubill | o/ | 20:01 |
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| jkf | o/ | 20:01 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:01 |
| silos | \o/ | 20:01 |
| alee | o/ | 20:01 |
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| rellerreller | as usual, the agenda can be found here: | 20:02 |
| rellerreller | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:02 |
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| rellerreller | a good amount of barbicaneers here! :) | 20:02 |
| rellerreller | We can go ahead and get started. | 20:03 |
| elmiko | o/ | 20:03 |
| spotz | o/ - late:) | 20:03 |
| rellerreller | #topic Action Items from last meeting | 20:04 |
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| rellerreller | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-11-16-20.00.log.html | 20:04 |
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| rellerreller | redrobot to review updated Federation usecases https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-federation-use-cases | 20:04 |
| rellerreller | redrobot is not here today. | 20:04 |
| rellerreller | This was a general action item for all those interested to review the use case. | 20:04 |
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| rellerreller | diazjf has there been any progress on this? | 20:05 |
| rellerreller | I know that I forgot to do this :( | 20:05 |
| diazjf | rellerreller not currently, redrobot was going to send it to someone at rackspace | 20:06 |
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| rellerreller | I think he wanted to send it to Joe | 20:06 |
| rellerreller | I think we can keep this action item open. | 20:06 |
| diazjf | correct, we will wait for Joe to take a look, but other than that any feedback in the etherpad would be great. | 20:07 |
| rellerreller | #action everyone review the federation use cases https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-federation-use-cases | 20:07 |
| rellerreller | Any other comments on this action item? | 20:07 |
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| rellerreller | OK, there was another action item from last week. | 20:08 |
| rellerreller | diazjf to write blueprint to better define Context in Castellan | 20:08 |
| rellerreller | diazjf any update on this? | 20:08 |
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| diazjf | rellereller, None yet, I will schedule a hangout with elmiko so we can go over our ideas. | 20:09 |
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| rellerreller | Can you post the date/time for this? | 20:09 |
| elmiko | =) | 20:09 |
| rellerreller | This way others may attend as well. | 20:09 |
| diazjf | elmiko, should we do it tomorrow or after the holidays? | 20:09 |
| diazjf | I'm free anytime tomorrow | 20:10 |
| elmiko | diazjf: i could do it tomorrow | 20:10 |
| * elmiko checks calendar | 20:10 | |
| rellerreller | kfarr do you have time tomorrow? | 20:10 |
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| elmiko | i'm free most of the day (eastern u.s. time) | 20:10 |
| kfarr | Yes, except for 11-noon (eastern time) | 20:10 |
| rellerreller | kfarr I would like for one of us to attend if possible. | 20:11 |
| diazjf | 2:00PM eastern sound good? | 20:11 |
| elmiko | sounds good to me | 20:11 |
| kfarr | sure! | 20:11 |
| rellerreller | #info meeting at 2:00 PM ET to discuss to Castellan context objects | 20:12 |
| elmiko | should we just meet on irc and go from there? | 20:12 |
| diazjf | Perfect, I'll post the link to the hangout on IRC tomorrow 5 min till 2:00PM | 20:12 |
| elmiko | cool. thanks diazjf ! | 20:12 |
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| rellerreller | #info diazjf will post the link to the hangout on IRC tomorrow 5 min till 2:00PM | 20:12 |
| rellerreller | There was one last action item from last week. | 20:13 |
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| rellerreller | diazjf to write a non-keystone auth middleware for Barbican | 20:13 |
| alee | diazjf, rellerreller I'm interested so I'll probably lurk a bit | 20:13 |
| diazjf | rellerreller, that will also be discussed in the hangout | 20:13 |
| rellerreller | I feel like that is probably not going to be done, and we should probably remove this as an open action item. | 20:14 |
| diazjf | alee, awesome your more than welcome to join | 20:14 |
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| rellerreller | alee sounds good. The more people the better. | 20:15 |
| rellerreller | That's it for action items unless there is anything else? | 20:15 |
| rellerreller | #topic Mitaka-1 milestone | 20:15 |
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| rellerreller | kfarr will be handling the release. | 20:15 |
| rellerreller | kfarr do you have everything you need for this? Are you comfortable with this? | 20:15 |
| mixos | I will be there as well. have question for why castellan ctxt is not using session. :- ) | 20:16 |
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| kfarr | rellerreller, yes I was looking into it. It is do-able. | 20:16 |
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| rellerreller | Excellent. Do you have any questions or anything else that we need to discuss? | 20:17 |
| rellerreller | I don't know who added this action item, so I'm not sure what to cover. | 20:17 |
| kfarr | rellerreller, I think that must have been redrobot | 20:17 |
| kfarr | I think elmiko was wanting to talk about Castellan! | 20:18 |
| rellerreller | I was thinking the same thing. | 20:18 |
| elmiko | i had questions for last meeting, but i think they will be answered in the hangout | 20:18 |
| rellerreller | I only had one more minor topic. | 20:19 |
| rellerreller | #topic Cinder volume encryption blog post | 20:19 |
| kfarr | elmiko, sounds good | 20:19 |
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| rellerreller | dave-mccowan or alee I thought I heard this morning that you will be posting a blog post on this. Is that true? | 20:19 |
| rellerreller | Could you provide more details? | 20:19 |
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| lisaclark1 | o/ | 20:19 |
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| alee | rellerreller, thats one of the things I'm working on right now | 20:21 |
| rellerreller | Cool. Can you post a link when that is done? | 20:21 |
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| alee | rellerreller, I just finished testing out / getting the latest liberty barbcuian packages working for RDO | 20:21 |
| rellerreller | I would like to read it. | 20:21 |
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| rellerreller | alee +1 | 20:22 |
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| alee | and so am writing some blogs on how to work with them, how to set up baarbican with ipa, and how to set up volume encryption | 20:22 |
| alee | in particular you want to set it up the barbican behind https | 20:22 |
| elmiko | nice | 20:22 |
| rellerreller | Is there some explanation of how RDO works? | 20:22 |
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| alee | I had it all working for my demo in tokyo , so this is a writeup on all that | 20:23 |
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| rellerreller | Sounds very cool. | 20:23 |
| alee | some - rdo is just the upstream release of red hat openstack | 20:23 |
| alee | so it will be red hat/fedora focused in that sense. - but yeah , I'll post link | 20:24 |
| rellerreller | I used it once before. It worked for a single node deployment for me. I was curious as to how it worked and how to configure it. | 20:24 |
| alee | and make sure folks can get to it | 20:24 |
| rellerreller | #action alee to post blog post on testing Cinder volume encryption with Barbican and RDO | 20:25 |
| alee | rellerreller, well I'm not going to go into rdo director and what not -- the work to integrate barbican/ipa into that - esp fr volume encryption is actively being worked on | 20:25 |
| alee | by me and jaosorior | 20:25 |
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| rellerreller | alee ok | 20:25 |
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| rellerreller | That was every thing on the agenda for today. | 20:26 |
| rellerreller | #topic open discussion | 20:26 |
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| rellerreller | Is there anything else that anyone wants to discuss? | 20:27 |
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| arunkant | i have nova patch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1505930 ..can some barbicaneer review and provide their blessings? | 20:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505930 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Fix key manager service endpoints in devstack Nova ephemeral" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Arun Kant (arunkant-uws) | 20:27 |
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| arunkant | the issue is around nova keymgr usage for ephermeral encryption.. | 20:28 |
| alee | rellerreller, kfarr sounds like something you guys should look into .. | 20:28 |
| rellerreller | Yes, I definitely want to look into this. | 20:29 |
| alee | arunkant, I'm curious - so I'll look too. | 20:29 |
| kfarr | alee, arunkant, yes, I had taken a look at it | 20:29 |
| rellerreller | #action kfarr to investigate Nova key manager bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1505930 | 20:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505930 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Fix key manager service endpoints in devstack Nova ephemeral" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Arun Kant (arunkant-uws) | 20:29 |
| arunkant | thanks alee, rellerreller .. | 20:29 |
| lisaclark1 | rellerreller: i wanted to chat about the January midcycle | 20:30 |
| kfarr | I think it would be solved by replacing the keymgr with Castellan -- if not, then maybe the bug fix should go into Castellan | 20:30 |
| rellerreller | lisaclark1 sounds good. We can discuss next. | 20:30 |
| alee | rellerreller, in case anyone missed the conversation rellerreller and I had with redrobot on irc -- the midcycle is going to be in Jan in San Antonio. | 20:30 |
| alee | but lisaclark1 -- go ahead :) | 20:30 |
| rellerreller | #topic Barbican mid-cycle | 20:30 |
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| lisaclark1 | thanks alee :-) | 20:30 |
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| lisaclark1 | yes, midcycle in Jan in San Antonio. Rackspace has also committed to the OSSP group to support an overlapping midcycle in the San Antonio location | 20:31 |
| alee | cool beans -- are there hotels in which Rackspace has a preferred rate? | 20:32 |
| lisaclark1 | rellerreller, alee: has an etherpad or eventbrite been started to capture date/time/location details and signup? | 20:32 |
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| alee | lisaclark1, not that I know of | 20:32 |
| lisaclark1 | alee: i can work on pulling together a few hotel recommendations. | 20:32 |
| rellerreller | I don't think so. | 20:32 |
| arunkant | kfarr: yes castellan seems to have the same issue. It will be good to have this fix in current impl as it will allow this change to backport (internal, not on openstack side) in liberty. | 20:33 |
| alee | lisaclark1, sounds like a good thing to add to the eventbrite page | 20:33 |
| rellerreller | #action lisaclark1 to pull together a few hotel recommendations | 20:33 |
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| rellerreller | lisaclark1 what are the official dates? | 20:34 |
| lisaclark1 | dates for barbican midcycle will be Jan 11-13, OSSP midcycle Jan 12-15 | 20:34 |
| rellerreller | #info Barbican mid-cycle in San Antonio, TX January 11-13 and OSSG mid-cycle January 12-15 | 20:35 |
| lisaclark1 | there will be an overlap and we're evaluating rooms that will allow for easy dropins between the 2 groups. i would recommend though that any barbicaneers wanting to participate in the non-overlapping OSSP days, to please signup on the OSSP etherpad | 20:35 |
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| * rellerreller enjoys using the info and action item hash tags :) | 20:35 | |
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| lisaclark1 | lolz | 20:36 |
| alee | lisaclark1, where is that etherpad? | 20:36 |
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| rellerreller | lisaclark1 will be in the same place where it was the last time we met in San Antonio? | 20:37 |
| alee | lisaclark1, it may be worthwhile seeing if there should be some joint sessions .. seeing as we all in the same place. | 20:37 |
| lisaclark1 | rellerreller: we're trying to secure spaces at the Rackspace Castle location | 20:37 |
| lisaclark1 | rellerreller: the previous San Antonio location was at Geekdom | 20:38 |
| rellerreller | lisaclark1 I would think that the Barbican area of the Castle would always be available to us. | 20:38 |
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| alee | rellerreller, have to get by the castellan first .. | 20:38 |
| spotz | heheh | 20:39 |
| lisaclark1 | alee: i think there's definitely opportunities for joint sessions | 20:39 |
| * alee gotta run .. have fun storming the castle! | 20:39 | |
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| rellerreller | Anything else on this topic? | 20:40 |
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| arunkant | one thing..can someone triage this barbican bug.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/barbican/+bug/1518510 | 20:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1518510 in Barbican "Barbican config values not available via oslo_config.cfg.CONF handle" [Undecided,New] | 20:41 |
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| lisaclark1 | please set an action item for me to provide an eventbrite link, and I'll include important details for the upcoming midcycle there. | 20:42 |
| rellerreller | #action lisaclark1 to provide an eventbrite link | 20:42 |
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| rellerreller | Last chance to bring up any other topics. | 20:43 |
| silos | old patch, needs some love: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236123/2 | 20:44 |
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| edtubill | can I get somepeople to review this spec for garbage collection: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243806/ | 20:44 |
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| rellerreller | #topic patches that need review | 20:45 |
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| rellerreller | silos has https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236123/ | 20:45 |
| rellerreller | edtubill has https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243806/ | 20:46 |
| rellerreller | Anything else that is blocking anyone's progress? | 20:46 |
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| elmiko | i'm curious in general about when the next castellan release will be pressed? | 20:47 |
| rellerreller | diazjf has one for user metadata https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229995/ | 20:47 |
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| rellerreller | #topic Castellan release schedule | 20:47 |
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| elmiko | \o/ | 20:47 |
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| rellerreller | elmiko I don't know what the release schedule is for Castellan. | 20:48 |
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| rellerreller | I believe the last time we cut a release was because we needed a new feature to be integrated with other libraries. | 20:48 |
| kfarr | elmiko, a schedule hasn't really been sorted out. I suppose it could align with the openstack releases, meaning the next one could be next week | 20:48 |
| elmiko | i kinda thought it was whenever kfarr felt like there was enough to do a release =) | 20:48 |
| rellerreller | Is there a feature that you need? | 20:48 |
| kfarr | haha elmiko, yes, is there a feature you need? | 20:48 |
| elmiko | the updated fix to options.set_defaults is nice | 20:48 |
| elmiko | adding the auth_url in | 20:48 |
| elmiko | would be nice to get that out, and then bump the global-reqs | 20:49 |
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| kfarr | elmiko, got it, I can work on it | 20:49 |
| elmiko | kfarr: thanks! | 20:49 |
| rellerreller | #action kfarr to work on next release of Castellan | 20:50 |
| elmiko | it might be nice to have castellan released around the same time as openstack releases, or even a little before so that the global-requirements can be updated. | 20:50 |
| rellerreller | +1 | 20:50 |
| elmiko | i'm not super-knowledgeable on the release side of things though, so i'd be curious to hear someone from infra's thoughts on this. | 20:50 |
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| kfarr | elmiko, good point | 20:51 |
| rellerreller | I usually just ask redrobot. I have no idea how all of that works. | 20:51 |
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| elmiko | no worries, i'm just thinking about issues i'm running into as a consumer of castellan | 20:52 |
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| rellerreller | elmiko I agree. | 20:53 |
| rellerreller | I would like to see Castellan be managed in a more pragmatic way, so others know what to expect. | 20:54 |
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| rellerreller | We are starting to get some traction with other projects, and I think we need to be more systematic. | 20:54 |
| elmiko | definitely, i see this as a growth process for castellan | 20:54 |
| elmiko | rellerreller: +1 | 20:54 |
| kfarr | rellerreller, yes, that's fair | 20:54 |
| rellerreller | Sounds like a great topic for the mid-cycle | 20:55 |
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| rellerreller | OK, we only have a few minutes left here. | 20:56 |
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| rellerreller | Is there anything else? | 20:56 |
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| elmiko | nothing from me | 20:56 |
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| rellerreller | OK, let's call it a meeting. | 20:57 |
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| rellerreller | Have a good day everyone. | 20:57 |
| rellerreller | Enjoy your Thanksgiving! | 20:57 |
| rellerreller | #endmeeting | 20:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 23 20:57:45 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:57 |
| elmiko | thanks rellerreller ! | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-11-23-20.00.html | 20:57 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-11-23-20.00.txt | 20:57 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2015/barbican.2015-11-23-20.00.log.html | 20:57 |
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| sarob_ | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 23 21:01:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:01 |
| shamail | hi sarob_ | 21:01 |
| sgordon | \o/ | 21:02 |
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| hughhalf | o/ | 21:02 |
| shamail | hi all! | 21:02 |
| dpk_ | o/ | 21:02 |
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| kencjohnston | o/ - IRC only, and not just because of the email I sent :) | 21:02 |
| sarob_ | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:03 |
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| shamail | I am IRC only as well | 21:03 |
| kencjohnston | Howdy shamail | 21:03 |
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| hughhalf | Etherpad for this meeting https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_11_23_15 | 21:04 |
| KrishR | o/ | 21:04 |
| leong | o/ | 21:04 |
| shamail | no etherpad for this one I thought? | 21:04 |
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| kencjohnston | hello all | 21:04 |
| shamail | etherpad was only temporary while we were adjusting IRC schedules | 21:04 |
| sarob_ | #topic IRC and or conference call for meeting | 21:04 |
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| hughhalf | shamail ok, no worries | 21:04 |
| shamail | agenda for today | 21:04 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:04 |
| shamail | np hughhalf :) | 21:05 |
| sgordon | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/product-wg/2015-November/000869.html | 21:05 |
| rockyg | o/ I'm on | 21:05 |
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| shamail | sarob_: can you please let us know on IRC when the vote happens too | 21:06 |
| kencjohnston | On the topic of IRC meetings #link http://jjasghar.github.io/blog/2015/11/18/characteristics-of-a-successful-chatroom-meeting/ | 21:07 |
| sgordon | #link http://jjasghar.github.io/blog/2015/11/18/characteristics-of-a-successful-chatroom-meeting/ | 21:07 |
| hughhalf | sarob_ Makes the observation in the voice call that experience has shown that trying to use voice, IRC and Etherpad tends to mean that the detail resides in whatever is used most | 21:07 |
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| hughhalf | sarob_ went on to note that this probably means it makes sense to coalesce down to one channel if possible | 21:08 |
| sarob_ | So before I call for a vote on this topic | 21:08 |
| * hughhalf will defer to sarob_ to correct him | 21:08 | |
| sarob_ | Who else wants to discuss | 21:08 |
| shamail | thx hughhalf, our channels have been basically calls and IRC | 21:08 |
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| shamail | historically, we did a better job in maintaining links/actions in IRC but that has dropped off | 21:09 |
| rockyg | True | 21:09 |
| shamail | I think the real candidates (personally) are: 1) IRC only and 2) IRC + call | 21:09 |
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| sarob_ | I prefer IRC | 21:09 |
| shamail | sarob_: +1 | 21:09 |
| kencjohnston | sarob_ +1 | 21:10 |
| sgordon | sarob_, +1 | 21:10 |
| rockyg | Not so good for brainstorming and architecting | 21:10 |
| shamail | As I mentioned in my reply (http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/product-wg/2015-November/000870.html) | 21:10 |
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| dpk_ | rockyg: +1 | 21:10 |
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| shamail | My vote would be to use IRC for weekly meetings but still give the sub-teams an option to use call+etherpads+whatever | 21:10 |
| * hughhalf nods in agreement with shamail | 21:10 | |
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| sarob_ | Rockyg is concerned about loosing some brainstorming benefit | 21:11 |
| shamail | This will allow us to use the best medium for decision making but also standardize with the preferred method for the community | 21:11 |
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| leong | Maybe (2) IRC + call for start, and get team familiar with IRC first for the first few meeting? | 21:11 |
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| leong | something people has no access to internet while "on-the-road" (that's what happened in the past in this group) | 21:12 |
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| shamail | I've seen the latter happen more often (sgordon and geoffarnold) used to be in IRC but not on phone. | 21:12 |
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| sgordon | tbh when i am on the road i am actually more likely to have internet | 21:13 |
| sgordon | but not necessarily internet i can voip on | 21:13 |
| shamail | I'm on the road too and IRC is easier at the moment | 21:13 |
| sarob_ | Rockyg thinks IRC as standard and conference calls for adhoc discussions | 21:13 |
| hughhalf | sgordon agreed | 21:13 |
| shamail | sarob_ and rockyg: +1 | 21:13 |
| dpk_ | Kudos - good point, Sean! | 21:14 |
| shamail | I think flexibility is good because sometimes calls work much more efficiently (e.g. parking lot items, sub-team working groups) | 21:14 |
| rockyg | so, IRC for daily/weekly tasks and discussions -- while planning for midcycles, board and/or summit presentatons, schedule extra voice meetings | 21:14 |
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| leong | i'm fine on IRC actually.. cuz in the past i do see people are "driving" while participating in cal | 21:14 |
| shamail | rockyg: yes, plus roadmap and user story discussions | 21:14 |
| rockyg | shamail: exactly | 21:15 |
| shamail | fair point leong | 21:15 |
| shamail | sarob_: want to call a vote? | 21:15 |
| KrishR | some of us have to just get used to searching for conversations in IRC | 21:16 |
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| sarob_ | Almost there | 21:16 |
| shamail | KrishR: happy to help with that...generally when use it properly, the meeting logs for IRC do a good job of summarizing items (http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-08-24-19.02.html) | 21:16 |
| shamail | thanks sarob_! | 21:16 |
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| * hughhalf apologises in advance - has another call at half past the hour he'll need to at least drop off voice for. | 21:18 | |
| shamail | thanks hughhalf | 21:18 |
| dpk_ | +1 to the trainings, that would really be helpful! | 21:18 |
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| KrishR | +1 to training | 21:18 |
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| sarob_ | I'm offering to training new members | 21:19 |
| shamail | great idea sarob_ | 21:19 |
| kencjohnston | sarob_ Count me in as well, happy to help people onboard | 21:19 |
| shamail | I think it would even be a good page for our wiki in general | 21:19 |
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| shamail | I'll be glad to help as well | 21:19 |
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| sgordon | sarob_, can i get you to textualize the options we are voting on here | 21:21 |
| sgordon | since it sounds like we're up to 3? | 21:21 |
| shamail | sgordon: +1 | 21:21 |
| kencjohnston | sgordon +1 | 21:21 |
| sarob_ | Okay | 21:22 |
| kencjohnston | Being a first time IRC only, it is definitely hard to follow the phone conversation without constant scribing. | 21:22 |
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| sarob_ | Sorry speaking and writing not strong point | 21:22 |
| kencjohnston | shamail I feel your pain :) | 21:22 |
| kencjohnston | sarob_ It's an impossible tasks, no worries | 21:22 |
| shamail | haha kencjohnston, ditto! | 21:22 |
| sarob_ | Here's what to vote on | 21:22 |
| sarob_ | Vote for today | 21:23 |
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| sarob_ | To hold the weekly | 21:23 |
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| rockyg | you found us, Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:23 |
| sarob_ | Meetings for the project team on IRC only | 21:23 |
| sarob_ | No conference call or etherpad | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello team | 21:24 |
| kencjohnston | hi @Arkady_Kanevsky! | 21:24 |
| sarob_ | As part of the regular | 21:24 |
| shamail | hi Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:24 |
| sarob_ | Meetings | 21:24 |
| sarob_ | Doesn't hold back adhoc | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | while we wait; where do we record projects roadmap? | 21:24 |
| pchadwick | What is the advantage of IRC only? | 21:24 |
| shamail | #link openstack.org/roadmap | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I want to add roadmap for tempest and rally | 21:25 |
| shamail | its at that link Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:25 |
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| rockyg | Ooh! god question! I see lots of mail. It would be great if I could just copy it over to a Prod wg when I see it. | 21:25 |
| shamail | oh, I will follow-up with you on that topic via email Arkady_Kanevsky... We haven't reached a new cycle yet to add projects | 21:25 |
| sarob_ | #startvote hold weekly scheduled product team meetings on IRC only | 21:25 |
| openstack | Unable to parse vote topic and options. | 21:25 |
| shamail | I think you need options sarob_ ? | 21:25 |
| sarob_ | sarob_ #startvote hold weekly scheduled product team meetings on IRC only yes no | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks shamail, what about project WG keep roadmap for future releases? | 21:26 |
| shamail | #vote yes | 21:26 |
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| kencjohnston | #vote yes | 21:26 |
| KrishR | #vote yes | 21:26 |
| shamail | I'll add you to the google drive share Arkady_Kanevsky... the last slide deck is at the link I posted earlier | 21:26 |
| sgordon | #vote yes | 21:26 |
| hughhalf | #vote yes | 21:27 |
| shamail | Do we have no votes on the phone? we need to account for them as well | 21:27 |
| pchadwick | #vote no | 21:27 |
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| shamail | no votes as in a "vote for no" | 21:27 |
| shamail | lol | 21:27 |
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| leong | #vote no | 21:27 |
| dpk_ | #vote no | 21:27 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Suggest that we allow votes on IRC or email. | 21:27 |
| sarob_ | #vote yes | 21:27 |
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| rockyg | so, one issue here, is the voting didn't really start because of a bad command format | 21:27 |
| MeganR | #vote no | 21:27 |
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| shamail | he did it again | 21:28 |
| rockyg | So, this will get redone. | 21:28 |
| sarob_ | Can't vote formly | 21:28 |
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| sarob_ | Over email | 21:28 |
| shamail | ah, I thought your second one took effect? | 21:28 |
| shamail | I think over email is a good idea sa | 21:28 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | #vote no - in favor to allow voting on email also | 21:28 |
| shamail | sarob_, I meant | 21:28 |
| kencjohnston | yeah you want something like this #startvote Should we have our weekly meetings conducted via IRC only? Yes, No, Don't Care | 21:28 |
| shamail | there are people (e.g. Carol) that are on vacation atm | 21:28 |
| sarob_ | sarob_ #startvote hold weekly scheduled product team meetings on IRC only? yes, no, maybe | 21:29 |
| sgordon | ok good practice voting everyone | 21:29 |
| sgordon | :D | 21:29 |
| kencjohnston | sgordon :) | 21:29 |
| sgordon | sarob_, it is coming up with your prefix | 21:29 |
| sgordon | "sarob_ #startvote" | 21:29 |
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| sgordon | #startvote has to be start of the line | 21:29 |
| openstack | Only the meeting chair may start a vote. | 21:29 |
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| sarob_ | sarob_ #startvote hold weekly scheduled product team meetings on IRC only? Yes, No, Maybe | 21:29 |
| shamail | not too much sgordon!! it's supposed to be only "a bit" of slapping | 21:30 |
| sarob_ | sarob_ sarob_ #startvote Hold weekly scheduled product team meetings on IRC only? Yes, No, Maybe | 21:30 |
| * hughhalf assures everyone that IRC is easier, really :) | 21:30 | |
| rockyg | #startvote --help | 21:30 |
| openstack | Only the meeting chair may start a vote. | 21:30 |
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| shamail | His syntax looks good... just the prefix | 21:30 |
| dpk_ | Need to step away for a minute, excuse me please. | 21:31 |
| sarob_ | Moving on | 21:31 |
| shamail | wait | 21:31 |
| kencjohnston | Hey team, I've got to leave, I did have one agenda item to discuss. IF we decide to host the Mid-cycle with the Operators Meetup in the UK, Rackspace will host the mid-cycle at our London Office (2 hour train ride from Manchester, by Heathrow). Bonus, the office includes a replica of #10 Downing Street, a slide and a building of James Bond themed things. | 21:31 |
| shamail | so are we delaying sarob_ ? voting over email? | 21:31 |
| sarob_ | I will push the vote to the ML | 21:31 |
| shamail | what was the result? | 21:31 |
| shamail | okay | 21:31 |
| sarob_ | Yes | 21:31 |
| sarob_ | Isn't working | 21:31 |
| shamail | can you please assign yourself an #action so its in the log | 21:31 |
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| sarob_ | #topic midcycle planning | 21:31 |
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| shamail | #action sarob_ to send out a poll for meeting preference to ML | 21:32 |
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| shamail | Thanks kencjohnston! We'll keep that as an option. | 21:32 |
| sarob_ | #action sarob post vote for the meeting IRC to the ML | 21:32 |
| shamail | Thanks to Rackspace for volunteering as well | 21:32 |
| KrishR | sorry, i have to leave too | 21:33 |
| rockyg | ops still debating whether to have a single midcycle (this time Europe), or regional ones. Once Ops decides on path, Prod WG can settle date and location of Midcycle | 21:33 |
| shamail | Take care KrishR | 21:33 |
| sarob_ | Anyone else? | 21:33 |
| shamail | agreed rockyg, I think the ops team is leaning towards a single but no confirmation yet | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I think we need onin NA. | 21:33 |
| shamail | I can follow-up with Tom to get closure | 21:33 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: we might still have one... the discussion is around whether there will only be one "official" while others are regional (e.g. NA could still have another one) | 21:34 |
| sarob_ | #action Shamail will follow up on ops timing with tom | 21:34 |
| shamail | thanks sarob_ | 21:34 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | right | 21:34 |
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| dpk_ | back | 21:34 |
| shamail | wb | 21:34 |
| sarob_ | I'm still good with two events | 21:35 |
| sarob_ | Moving on? | 21:35 |
| shamail | two is manageable | 21:35 |
| shamail | sarob_: +1 | 21:35 |
| dpk_ | +1 to 2 events | 21:36 |
| sarob_ | #action sarob propose Jan f2f place and time | 21:37 |
| sgordon | #info Ops mid-cycle February 15 & 16, Manchester, UK | 21:37 |
| sarob_ | Moving on | 21:37 |
| sgordon | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Operations/Meetups | 21:37 |
| sarob_ | #topic user story updates | 21:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "user story updates (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:37 | |
| sarob_ | #chair Shamail | 21:37 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Shamail sarob_ | 21:37 |
| shamail | sarob_: did we decide to have f2f seperate from ops-meetup? | 21:38 |
| sarob_ | Leong Kenny? | 21:38 |
| leong | The Rolling Upgrade team met last week | 21:38 |
| leong | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-Rolling-Upgrades-2015-11-17 | 21:38 |
| shamail | (sorry for asking this after topic change) | 21:38 |
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| leong | Reviewing the current user story from the sub-team | 21:38 |
| sarob_ | Shamail nope, just idea of additional one | 21:38 |
| shamail | thx sarob_ :) | 21:38 |
| leong | will collecting related blueprint to the Upgrade user story | 21:39 |
| leong | Also looking at resources from Rax/Intel OSIC to support the development of the user story (e.g. blueprint) | 21:39 |
| sarob_ | Any feedback? | 21:39 |
| leong | Questions? | 21:39 |
| shamail | Hi leong | 21:39 |
| leong | next meeting is tomorrow | 21:39 |
| leong | :-) | 21:39 |
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| shamail | Have we identified technical SMEs for this user story already? | 21:40 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | rolling upgrade requires DB hygeine user story | 21:40 |
| shamail | You mentioned collecting blueprints but are we going to create cross-project specs too? | 21:40 |
| leong | shamail: not yet | 21:40 |
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| leong | yes. i think we also need cross-project specs | 21:41 |
| leong | need to work on that | 21:41 |
| shamail | leong: +1 | 21:41 |
| shamail | thanks! | 21:41 |
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| leong | DB hygiene.. yes.. I noted that. | 21:41 |
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| sarob_ | Is there any db cleanup work out there yet? | 21:42 |
| leong | there is a separate db_hygience user story in draft folder | 21:42 |
| rockyg | configuration changes from one release to another also have to be overlaid onto the existing site configs | 21:42 |
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| sarob_ | If work is ongoing make sure it is referenced | 21:42 |
| shamail | sarob_: +1 | 21:43 |
| sarob_ | Get the contributors to comment on the user story | 21:43 |
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| leong | https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories/blob/master/user-stories/proposed/rollingupgrades.rst | 21:43 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: Please make changes to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237178/ so that we can review it again | 21:43 |
| sarob_ | Continue with the next meeting | 21:44 |
| leong | db_hygiene is not merged yet | 21:44 |
| sarob_ | Next topic | 21:44 |
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| sarob_ | Your meeting tomorrow right? | 21:44 |
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| rockyg | need to ping ops ML on what is missing from upgrade process/code that they need besides DB migrations. | 21:45 |
| leong | sarob_: u mean Upgrade? yes we meeting tomorrw | 21:45 |
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| sarob_ | Jay and Derek update on onboarding hosts and VMs | 21:45 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories/Rolling_Upgrades | 21:45 |
| shamail | for meeting details | 21:45 |
| sarob_ | Thx | 21:45 |
| shamail | Jay and Deric on the phone? Neither are in IRC atm | 21:46 |
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| sgordon | i can go | 21:46 |
| sgordon | complex instance placement >.> | 21:46 |
| sarob_ | Sure | 21:46 |
| shamail | thx sgordon | 21:46 |
| sgordon | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-user-stories/user-stories/draft/complex_instance_placement.html | 21:46 |
| sgordon | so ah, basically this is a use case we had defined in the context of the telco working group | 21:46 |
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| sgordon | it is primarily focused on more complex affinity/anti-affinity placement concepts | 21:47 |
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| leong | do we need to form a sub-team to work on the Telco user story? | 21:47 |
| sgordon | it's been merged into the repo, need to determine next steps to move | 21:47 |
| sgordon | theoretically we are thinking the remaining telco wg folk will help work on it | 21:47 |
| shamail | sgordon: Could this be merged with "onboarding pets" user story? | 21:47 |
| sgordon | as we are winding down the separate working group | 21:47 |
| sgordon | mmm not really | 21:47 |
| sgordon | in the context calum proposed it i believe it is actually a built for cloud app | 21:48 |
| shamail | The second user story (traditional db server shards) was the reason I asked | 21:48 |
| sgordon | with many instances involved | 21:48 |
| sgordon | ah right | 21:48 |
| shamail | got it | 21:48 |
| sgordon | yes that was added as part of transition | 21:48 |
| sgordon | in that i certainly think it is a requirement seen in some pets too | 21:48 |
| leong | the "onboarding" user story has two tracks.. one is led by Jay/Derric(IBM/HP) on "resources". The other one will be led by Gerg on "app" | 21:48 |
| sgordon | so in that context maybe | 21:48 |
| shamail | gotcha | 21:48 |
| sgordon | i need to go back and remind myself of the process to go from draft->proposed | 21:49 |
| sgordon | to define next steps | 21:49 |
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| sarob_ | #action sgordon define complex instance placement next steps | 21:50 |
| shamail | sgordon: please review https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories and I (or others) can help with any resulting questions | 21:50 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | do we have a user story submitted for review for it? | 21:50 |
| sgordon | ack | 21:50 |
| sgordon | it is actually merged as draft | 21:50 |
| sgordon | i posted the link in the backlog ^ | 21:50 |
| sgordon | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-user-stories/user-stories/draft/complex_instance_placement.html | 21:51 |
| sarob_ | Shamail can I move your mitaka ops feedback to the ML | 21:51 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I see it on the webpage but not in submitted stories. | 21:51 |
| leong | shamail: looking at the complex_instance_place at my first quick glance,think that might be different from "onboarding pets" | 21:51 |
| shamail | The main thing I am debating is whether complex instance placement a user story belonging to another parent or whether we create a new parent (e.g. Affinity) and add this as one user story under it | 21:51 |
| sarob_ | So Rockyg can talk stable with the remaining time | 21:51 |
| shamail | While your case is for compute, it could also apply to storage resources | 21:52 |
| shamail | sarob_: np, happy to move that to ML | 21:52 |
| sarob_ | #topic stable release team discussion | 21:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable release team discussion (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:52 | |
| sgordon | shamail, it can probably fit under another i suspect | 21:53 |
| shamail | leong: I agree, the second user story in complex instance is what made me think onboarding pets but I think it isn't any more | 21:53 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | enterprise usually upgrade once a year. Our current upgrade plan only wokrs from one release to next (whne it works) | 21:53 |
| sgordon | shamail, there was already another nova backlog spec that is not super unrelate either | 21:53 |
| shamail | thanks sgordon, look forward to hearing your thoughts on how to proceed after reviewing the workflow | 21:53 |
| sarob_ | Rockyg 75% users on 1 year plus releases | 21:53 |
| shamail | next topic :) | 21:53 |
| leong | having a second read/thoughts... could be part of the use case scenario in "onboarding legacy app" | 21:53 |
| pchadwick | Arkady +1 | 21:53 |
| leong | :) | 21:54 |
| shamail | rockyg: I am working with my organization to see if we can get some interest in helping with stable branches too | 21:54 |
| sarob_ | Distributions are supporting post supported stable release | 21:54 |
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| sarob_ | S all separately | 21:54 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | does the upstream openstack responsible for support for multiple years and upgrading them or is that job better handled by distros? | 21:54 |
| shamail | sarob_: they are supporting but the challenge for consumers is two-fold: | 21:54 |
| sarob_ | Bad for collaboration and community | 21:54 |
| pchadwick | But the fixes all go upstream | 21:55 |
| sgordon | a point of clarification here, i believe distributors are typically operating a fork albeit with a minimal delta from day 0 | 21:55 |
| sgordon | not from stable eol | 21:55 |
| shamail | 1) each distro has their own policy of when EOL will occur so can't make same assumptions cross-vendor | 21:55 |
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| sgordon | the reason for this is that not all changes the distro may want to consume are eligible for upstream stable | 21:55 |
| shamail | and 2) for DIY consumers, we are forcing an upgrade almost every year | 21:55 |
| sgordon | which has very specific rules | 21:55 |
| sarob_ | Shamail agreed | 21:55 |
| shamail | I'd rather have them upgrade when the window is right | 21:55 |
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| sarob_ | Sgordon agreed | 21:55 |
| leong | some vendor distro provides support upto 3-5 years | 21:55 |
| sgordon | i dont state that as a reason not to extend stable | 21:55 |
| shamail | sgordon: agreed | 21:55 |
| sarob_ | But we want community to share the load | 21:56 |
| sgordon | but simply to state that it should not be a goal to get the distributors having a 100% equal tree | 21:56 |
| sarob_ | Includes the distributions | 21:56 |
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| sgordon | that would be a nice side effect | 21:56 |
| sgordon | but shouldnt be the goal | 21:56 |
| sarob_ | Sgordon not my interest | 21:56 |
| sarob_ | Right | 21:56 |
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| shamail | and we want to let OpenStack consumers know that regardless of vendors (or even going your own way)... you will have some time to plan for upgrades. | 21:56 |
| sarob_ | Think security bug two years post release | 21:57 |
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| shamail | N-2 being supported by community would cover 70%+ of OpenStack clouds | 21:57 |
| sarob_ | Many other reasons | 21:57 |
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| shamail | (based on usersurvey) | 21:57 |
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| sgordon | there are two aspects here, the stable team (project now i guess) and also the stable branch cores for each project | 21:58 |
| sarob_ | Product team is ideally placed to understand and support stable releAse bugs with some developer time | 21:58 |
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| shamail | So sarob_ and rockyg, what is the request/discussion with regards to this topic for the product WG? | 21:58 |
| pchadwick | We are being asked for 2 year support = n+3 | 21:58 |
| sgordon | i think immediately, resource commitments | 21:58 |
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| shamail | pchadwick, agreed... I have seen that too but that might be too much load for community + infra | 21:59 |
| sgordon | resource commitments leading to resolving the issues thierry and others cited with this process in the past | 21:59 |
| sgordon | which would then allow extension of the eol in future | 21:59 |
| sarob_ | The question is 1 year public stable isn't enuf | 21:59 |
| shamail | sgordon: +1 | 21:59 |
| sarob_ | What is enuf, not sure | 21:59 |
| pchadwick | We don't have a problem with committing resource to support | 21:59 |
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| sgordon | resources here means developers but also possibly infra | 21:59 |
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| pchadwick | How much infra per supported release? | 22:00 |
| shamail | I have already started discussions inside my company... will be able to relay results by next month | 22:00 |
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| sarob_ | Cool | 22:00 |
| shamail | pchadwick: good question... I think some of that may also have to do with velocity of changes coming in | 22:00 |
| sarob_ | Defcore supports three releases now | 22:01 |
| pchadwick | My guess is that the velocity is not high | 22:01 |
| leong | if this is a decision from the team to support longer release.. i could try to ask if OSIC could help on dev resources | 22:01 |
| shamail | pchadwick, I would agree too | 22:01 |
| sgordon | pchadwick, well that is another question tho | 22:01 |
| sgordon | pchadwick, some people would like to see more velocity | 22:01 |
| sgordon | pchadwick, more active backporting of stuff from master | 22:01 |
| shamail | leong: it might be good to bring it up with OSIC | 22:01 |
| pchadwick | Yes - backporting is an issue. | 22:01 |
| sarob_ | #action Sarob and team follow up release team on ML | 22:02 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks! | 22:02 |
| sarob_ | #endmeeting | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:02 | |
| leong | thanks! | 22:02 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 23 22:02:15 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-11-23-21.01.html | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-11-23-21.01.txt | 22:02 |
| shamail | sarob_: I am dropping off (it's 3AM!) | 22:02 |
| pchadwick | The question is does support = bug fix, or bug fix + backport | 22:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-11-23-21.01.log.html | 22:02 |
| rockyg | Thanks! | 22:02 |
| pchadwick | Thanks. | 22:02 |
| sarob_ | Oops sorry should have given you a warning here | 22:02 |
| shamail | pchadwick: I think it means bug fix | 22:02 |
| sgordon | pchadwick, yeah and ownership - not everyone who is committing to master is going to care to also do the backport | 22:02 |
| shamail | and security | 22:02 |
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| sgordon | pchadwick, that is where resources working on stable become a bottleneck | 22:03 |
| sarob_ | Did on the phone :$ | 22:03 |
| shamail | basically, patching but not new capabilities | 22:03 |
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| sgordon | it's ok we are over time | 22:03 |
| pchadwick | Shamail - +1 | 22:03 |
| sgordon | to the m/l | 22:03 |
| sgordon | ! | 22:03 |
| shamail | yeah, we are over | 22:03 |
| shamail | good discussion | 22:03 |
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| sarob_ | To the ML batman! | 22:03 |
| shamail | Thanks sarob_ for chairing!!! | 22:03 |
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| sarob_ | No prob | 22:03 |
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| shamail | good night (or afternoon) | 22:03 |
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| shamail | and happy thanksgiving to those in the U.S. | 22:04 |
| shamail | bye | 22:04 |
| sarob_ | Good morning, good evening and good night | 22:04 |
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