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Liuqing#startmeeting evoque13:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Nov 25 13:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Liuqing. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:00
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Liuqinghello13:00
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zhuronghi13:00
Liuqingtoday's agenda : https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Evoque/Meetings#Agenda_.282015-11-25_1300_UTC.2913:01
Liuqinggo through the agenda13:01
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Liuqing#topic OpenStack SDK13:02
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Liuqingwe need to integrate with openstack service so we will use openstack sdk13:03
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Liuqing#link https://github.com/openstack/python-openstacksdk13:04
Liuqingwho has time to research  the  lib13:05
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Liuqingit include nova/glance/neutron/heat/murano client13:06
Liuqingbut not very hard to use .13:06
EinstCrazywhat is the purpose?13:06
Liuqingsuch create instance/volume13:07
yangyapengoo13:07
EinstCrazywe would use it as evoque client?13:08
kzaitsev_mbsomeone said murano =) I'm not sure about the context of the meeting, but I'm available to help with murano part, if any assistance is required =)13:08
Liuqingtypical user case , user could apply one instance in the ticket, while someone approve that ticket , the end node will crear instance for it13:08
Liuqingkzaitsev_mb, it me  lawrancejing in tokyo, beers13:09
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Liuqingevoque will use the sdk not client13:10
zhurongkzaitsev_mb It is very kind of you13:10
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Liuqing#topic Use SpiffWorkflow as the default workflow engine13:11
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kzaitsev_mbsorry for hijacking, just wanted to be around if you'll need any assistance — feel free to ping me. =)13:12
Liuqingi have complete the default workflow framework, and we can use SpiffWorkflow as the default workflow engine13:12
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Liuqingbut the patch is in process13:12
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Liuqinglink: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247521/  add SpiffWorkflow to global-requirements13:13
Liuqingkzaitsev_mb, it ok, thanks13:13
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Liuqingand the patch need reviews13:14
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Liuqingand now the dashboard could list the workflows13:14
Liuqinghow about devstack process,zhurong13:15
Liuqingi thought now is right time to enable devstack plugin13:16
zhurongIt will be in process13:16
LiuqingOK13:16
Liuqinga little busy this week13:16
Liuqing#topic project scope13:17
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Liuqingjust now i said the typical user case of evoque13:17
Liuqinguser could apply one instance in the ticket, while someone approve that ticket , the end node will create instance for the user13:18
EinstCrazywell, any other cases?13:18
Liuqinghttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Evoque  has some simple user case13:18
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Liuqingtwo kinds of user cases: one will communication with other OpenStack service such as nova, cinder, neutron, another won't13:20
Liuqingour project will focus the two kinds of user cases13:20
Liuqingthis is our project scope, i think13:21
Liuqingand few minutes later, we can talk about the topic via webex13:22
Liuqingany thought for the topic?13:22
EinstCrazythe first one is OpenStack service, what is the other?13:23
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Liuqingother user case: use has will create ticket such as "my instance is very slow", and such ticket will transition to service team or ops team which will defind in workflow13:25
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Liuqingand this kind of ticket won't communicate with OpenStack service13:26
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EinstCrazyOK, I got it13:26
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Liuqingbut i thought we could focus the user case relevant to OpenStack serivce13:27
EinstCrazyI agree13:28
Liuqinganother user case is very easy, just CRUD oprations.13:29
Liuqingthe workflow is very important part of evoque13:29
Liuqinggongysh_: are you here?13:31
EinstCrazyYes, I think we could get it in the webex then (*^__^*)13:31
LiuqingOK13:31
Liuqinglast thing13:31
Liuqinghttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/247521/  the patch need code review from you guys13:32
Liuqingso we go to the webex :https://demo.webex.com.cn/demo/j.php?MTID=mba8c59b584c857b44c281828340c49ac13:32
Liuqingmeeting number: 51114030913:32
Liuqingpassword: 99cloud!@#13:32
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EinstCrazyOK13:33
EinstCrazyAfter a minute13:34
Liuqingyea13:34
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EinstCrazycould we end the meeting here?13:35
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LiuqingOK13:36
Liuqing#endmeeting13:36
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sgordon#startmeeting telcowg14:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Nov 25 14:02:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sgordon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:02
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sgordon>.<14:02
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sgordon#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda14:02
sgordon#topic roll call14:02
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cloudonhi14:02
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sgordonhiya14:02
sgordonanyone else about?14:02
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sgordonok14:04
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cloudontumbleweed...14:04
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sgordon#topic Product WG integration14:04
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sgordon#link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-user-stories/tree/user-stories/draft/complex_instance_placement.rst14:04
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sgordon#info merged vIMS user story as "complex instance placement" in product working group drafts folder14:05
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sgordon#info next step is to propose moving it to "proposed" folder14:05
sgordon#info some discussion in product wg meeting about whether it can be merged under one of the other broader user stories proposed14:05
sgordon#action sgordon to look at alignment and determine how to get to "proposed"14:05
sgordonso over all that was relatively painless to do14:06
sgordoni think the fact that our user stories already have been reviewed by a number of people and align to the same template pretty much helped a lot14:06
cloudonI just suggested some text for the opportunities/justification bit - let me know if that's the sort of thing needed14:06
sgordonthanks that's very helpful14:06
sgordoncloudon, was that in an email or via gerrit?14:07
cloudonVia gerrit.  Hopefully...14:07
sgordon:D14:07
cloudon...may have cocked up the editing thing.14:07
sgordonnm i can see it14:07
cloudonI can just make comments, not chnage the text yes>14:07
sgordon:)14:08
sgordon#action sgordon to propose update based on feedback in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247224/2/user-stories/draft/complex_instance_placement.rst14:08
sgordonso the next steps...14:08
cloudonMeant to ask last week - is the PWG meeting the one at 2100 UTC on Mondays?14:08
sgordon#info next steps, need to repeat for security segregation and session border control14:09
sgordonummm that sounds right14:09
sgordonlet me get the link14:09
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sgordon#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack_Product_WG14:09
sgordon#info Weekly on Monday at 2100 UTC in #openstack-meeting-alt (IRC webclient)14:09
sgordonthere is currently also a voice line...14:09
sgordonthere is some active discussion as to whether to switch to irc only meetings or not14:10
sgordon(big topic in the last meeting)14:10
sgordonbut the timing for now will be 2100 UTC either way14:10
cloudonok, will try to make next week's14:10
sgordon#link http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/product-wg14:10
sgordonis the m/l14:10
sgordonrelatively low traffic14:10
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sgordon#info Merged openstack/telcowg-usecases: Session Border Controller  https://review.openstack.org/17630114:11
sgordoni gave that +A given we had two +2s and part of the product wg workflow will be to seek external reviewers14:12
cloudonjust checking - merged in TelcoWG not PWG, yes?14:12
sgordoncorrect14:13
cloudonta14:13
sgordonso as above the next step will be to try take it and security segregation over there14:14
cloudondo you think it needs any text changes first?14:14
sgordonpossibly, the key piece similar to the vIMS use case will be determining if it aligns with any of the broader product workgroup proposals14:15
sgordonand if it more generically applicable than just NFV (probably)14:16
cloudonNFV probably one of the likeliest use cases as the data plane is only really stressed by lots of small packets, but some HPC stuff could well be interested in the bits on NUMA, pinning etc.14:17
sgordonright14:18
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sgordonso im at this stage ok to keep plugging away at moving those oer14:20
sgordon*over14:20
sgordoni may need feedback as to the justification etc. again14:20
cloudonsure14:20
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sgordon#topic other discussion14:22
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sgordoncloudon, anything else you would like to discuss today? :)14:22
cloudonnope, I'm fine :)14:23
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sgordoncool14:24
sgordonthanks for your timr!14:24
cloudonand you - cheers14:24
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sgordon#endmeeting14:25
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Swamihi15:00
regXboimorning'15:00
obondarevo/15:00
Swami#startmeeting Neutron_dvr15:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Nov 25 15:01:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
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Swami#topic announcement15:01
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Swamihaleyb: will not be here today, he is on vacation15:01
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Swamithe attendence today is going to be slim15:02
regXboiso we keep it short then :)15:02
SwamiHappy Thanksgiving to all.15:02
SwamiregXboi: yes let us try to keep it short and effective15:02
fitoduarteHi15:02
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Swamifitoduarte: hi15:03
Swami#topic Agenda15:03
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Swami#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-DVR15:03
Swami#topic bugs15:04
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SwamiThere was a new bug that was added couple of days back.15:04
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/145607315:04
openstackLaunchpad bug 1456073 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Connection to an instance with floating IP breaks during block migration when using DVR" [Undecided,New]15:04
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obondarevhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1414559 might be related according to comments15:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1414559 in neutron "OVS drops RARP packets by QEMU upon live-migration - VM temporarily disconnected" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev)15:05
SwamiI was looking at this bug and it seems right now the way DVR dynamically schedules routers is causing issues to the nova live migration.15:05
obondarevI have patches in nova and neutron for it15:05
Swamiobondarev: can you provide a link in here15:05
regXboiobondarev: can we link the patches onto the wiki to save clicks?15:05
regXboi(that is in addition to putting it here)15:06
SwamiregXboi: good idea15:06
obondarevwill do, patches are https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246898/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246910/15:06
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obondarevbut I think more work is required to address floating ip issue15:06
Swamiobondarev: did you see my comment in the bug in launchpad15:07
obondarevSwami: I did15:07
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Swamiobondarev: yes I agree more work is required in terms of nova to neutron communication with respect pre-migration event.15:07
obondarevSwami: that's what my patches are about15:07
obondarevbut it's not that explicit on neutron side that we're at pre migration step15:08
Swamiobondarev: but I looked at the existing nova patch that you have for state update, this would just address one part of it.15:08
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obondarevSwami: right15:08
Swamiobondarev: are you planning to add more nova patch to address this handshake between nova and neutron15:08
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obondarevon neutron sidewe should be sure we're at pre migration step and schedule router to destination host I guess15:09
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obondarevSwami: I haven't such plans before I saw this bug about 5 mins ago :)15:10
obondarevwill think more on it15:10
Swamiyes on the nova should inform neutron that it is in pre-migration state to a destination host and wait for response from neutron to complete the migration.15:10
obondarevis it working fine with legacy routers?15:11
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SwamiYes I had discussion about this with armax as well. armax mentioned that he will try to tie in the nova PTL to this bug and we can decide on the right flows between nova and neutron.15:11
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Swamiobondarev: based on my teams input, they did see that there was a 5sec delay with legacy routers and 8sec delay with dvr routers when doing live migration.15:12
obondarevSwami: delay or disconnect?15:12
obondarevwith dvr15:12
obondarevbug says disconnect15:12
Swamiobondarev: it is delay that they measured.15:13
Swamiobondarev: yes the bug states about the ssh connection getting disconnected. I have asked our internal team to do some investigation on this.15:13
obondarevSwami: not sure I got what is delay here15:13
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fitoduartetcp will make a disconnected t look like a delay.15:14
obondarevfitoduarte: ah, ok, thanks15:14
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obondarevbut bug clearly says disconnect15:14
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Swamiobondarev: agreed, it might be a disconnect.15:15
fitoduarted15:15
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Swamiobondarev: but to close I will try to see both the legacy and dvr and will update the bug report.15:16
obondarevSwami: sounds good, thanks15:16
fitoduartedisconnect would mean you can't reach the vm ever again?15:16
SwamiThe next one in the list is related to live migration.15:16
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/150886915:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1508869 in neutron "DVR: handle dvr serviceable port's host change" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev)15:16
Swamiobondarev: I think you already have a patch for this bug, that you posted above.15:17
obondarevfitoduarte: you'll be abe to reconnect but current connection will be lost15:17
obondarevfor 1508869 fix is on review, there are some concerns on it15:17
Swamiobondarev: I had one question related to this patch.15:17
Swamiobondarev: right now you are dealing with all dvr serviceable ports, should we need it.15:17
obondarevregXboi: you have concerns as well, can you please clarify in the review?15:18
Swamiobondarev: I thought we can restrict to the compute ports for live migration.15:18
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obondarevSwami: we can't be sure if it's live migration or not15:18
Swamiobondarev: since we are not going to migrate the dhcp ports.15:18
obondarevSwami: I answered in the review, can you please check?15:18
Swamiobondarev: ok will check it out.15:19
obondarevSwami: dhcp ports can also change host15:19
Swamiobondarev: what would be use case for dhcp port to change host15:19
obondarevnot suer why we should restrict15:19
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obondarevsure*15:19
obondarevSwami: during the transition fron active to reserved and back to active DHCP port may change host15:20
obondarevdepending on dhcp agent that grabbed reserved port15:20
Swamiobondarev: In this case you are saying "if" we have multiple "Nodes" with dhcp agents running on all nodes.15:21
obondarevSwami: I might be missing smth, but what are benefits of restribction to only compute ports?15:21
obondarevSwami: correct15:21
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obondarevSwami: that's usual case on production clouds15:21
Swamiobondarev: There is nothing benefit from restricting in the other sense I don't want to burden the control plane by removing the router namespace just for the dhcp ports.15:22
Swamiobondarev: that's fine, I will address it in your review.15:22
SwamiLet us move on.15:23
obondarevSwami: we're adding this namespace on controllers just because of dhcp ports - why not remove it when there is no dhcp ports?15:23
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Swamiobondarev: sure agreed15:24
obondarevregXboi: please also check https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238478/15:24
SwamiLet us quickly go over the high priority bugs, since we have already discussed about it.15:24
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Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/146215415:25
openstackLaunchpad bug 1462154 in neutron "With DVR Pings to floating IPs replied with fixed-ips" [High,In progress] - Assigned to ZongKai LI (lzklibj)15:25
Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246894/ Patch is in review15:25
SwamiSo if you have not reviewed it please review it.15:26
SwamiThe next one in the list is15:26
stephen-maThere is also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24685515:26
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/150557515:26
openstackLaunchpad bug 1505575 in neutron "Fatal memory consumption by neutron-server with DVR at scale" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev)15:26
stephen-maas part of the bugfix for 1462154.15:26
Swamistephen-ma: thanks15:26
obondarevreview is in progress15:26
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obondarevthere might not be memory issue anymore, but timeout issue is there15:27
Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234067/15:27
Swamiobondarev: seems that it is in merge conflict15:27
Swamiobondarev: so what removed the memory issue, do know.15:27
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obondarevyeah, just wanted to get carl_baldwin answers before uploading new patchset15:28
Swamiobondarev: thanks, makes sense.15:28
obondarevSwami: let me fing the link to the patch..15:28
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obondarevSwami: here it is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214974/15:29
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Swamiobondarev: thanks15:29
Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/151367815:30
openstackLaunchpad bug 1513678 in neutron "At scale router scheduling takes a long time with DVR routers with multiple compute nodes hosting thousands of VMs" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan)15:30
SwamiThe patches are up for review for this one.15:30
SwamiI got some review comments from carl_baldwin yesterday and will address it today based on his reply.15:30
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Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241843/15:31
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Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242286/15:31
SwamiThe next in the list is15:31
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Swami#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/151536015:31
openstackLaunchpad bug 1515360 in neutron "Add more verbose to Tempest Test Errors that causes "SSHTimeout" seen in CVR and DVR" [High,Invalid]15:31
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SwamiI made some headway on this one by adding some self test within the agent. The patch is under review right now.15:32
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Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247748/15:32
SwamiPlease review this patch at your earliest.15:33
Swamiarmax mentioned that he can push in this patch for the debug purpose and latter can be rmoved.15:33
regXboithis has a -2 on it15:33
regXboiso you need to get that cleared15:33
SwamiregXboi: that is fine, we can get it cleared once we are ready to merge.15:33
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Swamiobondarev: I am still seeing some issue in this patch when I try to ping and validate the ping.15:34
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Swamiobondarev: can you help me figure out what the problem is here. It is throwing a _stderr15:34
* carl_baldwin driving to see family. Will read log...15:35
Swamicarl_baldwin: thanks, drive safe.15:35
obondarevSwami: which patch, sorry?15:35
obondarevSwami: got distracted, sorry15:35
Swami24774815:35
obondarevSwami: ok, will review 24774815:36
obondarevSwami: shows nothing for https://review.fuel-infra.org/#/c/24774815:36
Swamifrom the gate logs, I did see that it was able to ping twice successfully but ping did not go through in lot of the tests. I am not sure if it is a timing issue.15:36
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obondarevsorry15:37
Swami#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247748/15:37
obondarevyeah, thanks15:37
Swamiobondarev: did you get it.15:37
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Swamifitoduarte: adolfo is your server patch in.15:37
obondarevsigned up for it15:37
Swamiobondarev: thanks15:37
Swamiok I don't see him here anymore.15:38
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obondarevBTW did someone saw SSh timeout issues in the gates lately?15:39
SwamiIs there any other bugs that we wanted to discuss here.15:39
Swamiobondarev: I do see SSHTimeout in the gate.15:39
regXboilet's look15:39
Swamiobondarev: This is from last week, I have captured it in the slide deck.15:39
obondarevSwami: link please?15:40
Swami#link https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4kh-7VVPWlPMkdrQWFFdjNsSnM/view?usp=sharing15:40
fitoduarteseam: sorry which server patch?15:40
Swamiobondarev: as part of the gate failure investigation I am trying to capture all the failures that I see.15:40
Swamifitoduarte: DVR HA server patch15:40
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Swamisince we are in this topic right now let us change the topic.15:41
Swami#topic Gate-failures15:41
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obondarevSwami: yeah, I just don't see SSH timeout happening often (like before) on dvr multinode job15:41
fitoduarteswami: has two cores blessings but assaf is holding it. hopefully he'll be done this week.15:42
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Swamiobondarev: but i think in most of the failure cases, the issue is we can't get to the VM through SSH15:43
Swamiobondarev: are you seeing any other failure symptom that is causing this graph to deviate from the cvr.15:43
obondarevSwami: I'm not15:44
Swamiobondarev: in my honest opinion sometimes the logstash results are also confusing.15:44
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Swamiobondarev: regXboi: Does anyone of you know if the dsvm-functional tests failures results are included in the dvr failure analysis or is it different.15:45
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obondarevSwami: which analysis?15:45
Swamiobondarev: The graphite failure graph does it talk into consideration the dsvm-functional test failure.15:46
Swami#link  https://goo.gl/L1WODG15:46
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obondarevah, I see15:46
regXboino, that's a different graphite graph15:47
SwamiregXboi: ok, the reason I asked is recently I did see some instability with the dsvm-functional tests.15:47
Swamiobondarev: regXboi: If you see any gate failures please log it in the power point that deck, so that it will easy for us to get to the root.15:48
regXboihttp://goo.gl/WaeP7L15:48
regXboifullstack and functional both appear ill15:48
SwamiregXboi: also the graph for neutron-full, neutron-dvr is away high when compared to this. I am not sure if the metrics are calculated correctly.15:49
obondarevin my patches and in those that I review I didn't see SSH timeout failures on multinode dvr (and any other job) for a while so that's why I have an imression it might be gone for some reason15:49
Swamiobondarev: yes you are right, I have either not seen in my patches. But the logstash still reports that it is seeing it in the gate.15:50
Swamiobondarev: This might be from the one or two patches that cause a whole lot of failures in DVR.15:50
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Swamiobondarev: user error.15:50
obondarevSwami: so failures related to patches?15:50
Swamiobondarev: yes.15:51
obondarevdoesn't count I guess15:51
Swamiobondarev: I am not sure about it.15:51
Swamiok, let us move on15:51
obondarevok lets proceed collecting statistics15:51
Swamiobondarev: sure15:52
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Swami#topic performance/scalability15:52
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Swamiobondarev: do you have anything to add here.15:53
obondarevnot really, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/improve-dvr-l3-agent-binding is in progress15:53
Swamiobondarev: ok15:53
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Swamianything else15:54
Swami#topic Open-Discussion15:54
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SwamiDo we have any other topic to discuss in the last 5 minutes15:54
SwamiIf we don't have any other topics we can end the meeting.15:54
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SwamiPlease log the failures that you are seeing in the gate with respect to the DVR in the powerpoint.15:55
SwamiLet us discuss it next week.15:55
SwamiThanks everyone for joining this meeting.15:56
SwamiWish you all again a Happy Thanksgiving.15:56
Swami#endmeeting15:56
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Swamibye15:56
obondarevbye folks15:56
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rkukuraHi ML2’ers!16:00
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Sukhdevhello16:01
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scheuranhi16:01
trinathsHi16:01
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rkukuraLooks like we’ve got Sukhdev, scheuran, trinaths, yamamoto, and rcurran at least for the ML2 meeting16:03
rkukuraanyone else?16:03
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rkukurashould be a quick meeting today, I think16:04
rkukura#startmeeting networking_ml216:04
openstackMeeting started Wed Nov 25 16:04:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rkukura. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:04
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2'16:04
rkukura#topic Agenda16:04
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rkukura#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2#Meeting_November_25.2C_201516:04
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rkukurasimilar agenda to the last couple meetings, but whether we cover items depends on who is here16:05
rkukuraAnything to add?16:05
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rkukura#topic Announcements16:06
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rkukuraOnly thing I have is that Mitaka-1 is next week16:06
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rkukuraIf noone has comments or anything to add, we’ll move on...16:07
rkukura#topic Driver API for SecuriyGroup16:07
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rkukuraThe BP is still under active review16:07
rkukura#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240356/16:07
rkukurayamamoto: Do you have any update on this? Is it progressing?16:08
rkukuraIs Yalei here?16:08
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rkukuraOK, lets followup on the review16:10
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SukhdevI see several comments on the patch but, no conclusions16:10
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rkukuraSukhdev: Yes. I need to re-review, and also look at the RFE that was filed.16:10
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rkukura#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/151808716:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1518087 in neutron "[RFE] add the precommit primitive for security groups" [Wishlist,Triaged]16:11
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rkukura#topic Driver status coalescing/visibility16:12
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rkukuraI’m not aware of any progress on this, and don’t see John Joyce, yamahata, or asomya16:12
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rkukura#action rkukura to email them and see if they are working on a proposal for Mitaka16:13
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rkukura#topic Trunk Ports16:14
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rkukuraAny update on this?16:15
rkukuraguess not16:15
rkukura#topic Modular L2 agent and macvtap16:15
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rkukurascheuran: How is this going?16:15
sc68calo/16:15
rkukuraand/or sc68cal16:16
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scheurantalked to armando these days and he created a blueprint for it16:16
scheuranapproved it16:16
scheuranand set priority to high16:16
scheuranthese are really good news16:16
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rkukurascheuran: Sounds good! Anything the ML2 subteam can do to help at this point?16:17
scheuranI have the first 2 patchsets up16:17
scheuranso some feedback would be great16:17
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Sukhdevlinks, please?16:17
rkukurascheuran: links?16:17
scheuran#link https://review.openstack.org/24631816:17
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scheuran#link https://review.openstack.org/24813816:18
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scheurancurrently I'm trying to prototype the sriov agent with this framework16:18
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scheuranto see if some extensions to the interface are required16:18
rkukurascheuran: great!16:19
rkukuraanything else on this?16:19
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scheuranso the only thing you can do at the moment is give some early feedback if this goes into the right direction16:19
scheuranno, nothing else16:19
rkukuraOK, lets review these16:20
rkukurathanks scheuran!16:20
rkukura#topic Physical Topology16:20
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rkukuraI don’t see shivharis16:20
rkukuraAnyone else have any update on this?16:20
rkukuraOK…16:21
rkukura#topic Open Discussion16:21
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rkukuraAnything to discuss?16:21
Sukhdevnothing from me -16:21
rkukuraOK16:22
rkukuraenjoy the holiday for those of us in the US!16:22
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rkukurasee you next week!16:23
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rkukura#endmeeting16:23
scheuranhave a good time!16:23
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peterstac#startmeeting trove18:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Nov 25 18:01:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is peterstac. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'trove'18:01
atomic77\-o-/18:01
vkmco/18:01
pmalik./18:01
johnmahello18:02
peterstacHi all18:02
schango/18:02
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vgnbkro/18:02
pmackinnatomic77, that a tie fighter?18:02
imandhan./18:02
atomic77pmackinn, i thought of it as a guy doing squats18:02
mvandijk_(-o-)18:03
mvandijk_|-o-|18:03
atomic77trying to keep fit18:03
peterstacThere's nothing on the agenda, so we'll move right to ...18:03
peterstac#topic Open Discussion18:03
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pmackinnhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-trove-midcycle-rsvp as usual18:03
ashleighfarnhamo/18:04
* pmackinn tries to emoji an x-wing fighter, #fail 18:04
peterstacDo we have an agenda yet for midcycle?18:05
peterstaccp16net?18:06
peterstac(jk)18:06
ashleighfarnhamJust wanted to remind people that if they want to give input on the new cli with the integration with openstack client.18:06
peterstacSo once travel plans are finalized, please update the etherpad18:06
atomic77could we perhaps take some of the extra time this meeting gives us to look at some of the outstanding blueprints in the queue?18:06
peterstac#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-trove-midcycle-rsvp18:07
ashleighfarnhamhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Trove/OpenstackClient18:07
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vkmcthat's a good idea atomic7718:07
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vkmchttps://launchpad.net/trove/+milestone/mitaka-118:09
amrith./18:09
atomic77so atm we have about 10 specs in review that have been udpated in the last two weeks18:09
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vkmc#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/trove-specs,n,z18:10
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amrithSome of them (four) are rather old.18:11
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amrithsorry, 618:12
amrithtwo of them are updated with the question "is it time to abandon this yet".18:12
atomic77amrith, a great example of where metrics can mislead :)18:12
peterstacunfortunately, asking that question throws them back on top of the list ...18:12
amrithwhich tees up the conversation of a bug/spec/bp/review scrub18:13
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atomic77so 8 "live" specs . imo we should prioritize specs over bugs especially at the early stage of a cycle18:14
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pmalikI think we should just abandon them with a nice message. They can restore them any time if they wish.18:15
atomic77pmalik, this is a whole can of worms we opened last week :)18:15
pmackinnhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/164881/ should be put aside imho18:16
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tellesnobregahi, i was looking at trove db migration files and found that all of them still contains the downgrade method, its been a while since there was a cross-project spec to remove downgrades, is there a reason we are keeping this? or we just forgot about it?18:17
amrithpmackinn, would you update the review with that comment. it makes it much easier at a later date to see the rationale.18:17
pmalikOwner of these review are likely going to ignore the message anyways - otherwise they would be responding. I am just saying that instead of asking a nice question we should abandon them with a nice message that they can restore the review any time.18:17
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pmalikAsking like this just moves all those reviews to the top of the list pushing important stuff down...18:18
amrithtellesnobrega, would you please share a link to the downgrade spec you refer to?18:18
tellesnobregapmackinn, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152337/518:18
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tellesnobregasorry amrith https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152337/518:18
amrithhas anyone implemented this?18:19
tellesnobregayes, i believe keystone has, not sure about nova18:19
tellesnobregai think sahara has done it as well18:19
tellesnobregai can confirm that, but i think we should move this here18:20
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tellesnobregai can start that (actually have)18:20
peterstactellesnobrega, are you volunteering to do the work?  ;)18:20
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tellesnobregapeterstac, yes, i already started it18:20
SlickNiko/ sorry I'm late — previous meeting ran wayy over.18:20
amrithconsidering that we just went through a lot of trouble to get downgrade to work, I'd like to get some confirmation that people using Trove don't want the capability.18:20
amriththe spec by the TC is nice and all but if people use the capability, and right now it still works, why throw it away?18:21
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SlickNiknooo — I'm still reading scrollback for context.18:21
atomic77sorry to interject again on the specs -- but is it safe to assume most of the specs we'll deliver in mitaka have already been put on our queue?18:21
* peterstac s/reigns/reins/18:21
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imandhanI'm working on another one, will add it today18:22
amrithI think the deadline for specs is mitaka-1, no?18:22
tellesnobregaamrith, makes sense. Downgrade can be a big source of problems, it is a easy way to break your db and that is why this spec was put in motion18:22
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SlickNik#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule18:23
atomic77ok, so in that case does it make sense to prioritize getting those that are on the queue approved so that development can begin?18:23
peterstacamrith, I believe cp16net just said he'd like them all in by m-118:23
atomic77we're already nearly in december and the holiday season will slow things down18:23
peterstacI don't think that's a hard rule18:23
atomic77we'll blink and we'll be at the midcycle vowing "never again"... again :)18:23
amrithwe also talked about delaying our release from the rest of the projects (at summit).18:23
amrithI'd like to first figure out when our release dates are going to be.18:23
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johnmaI missed that part about delaying our release date. wonder why but dont want to hold up the meeting agenda for that18:24
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SlickNikI think we were still planning to release as part of the all-up Mitaka final release.18:27
tellesnobregawhat is the decision on the downgrade? go or no go? I can send an email on the mailing list as well to see if anyone responds that downgrades are really necessary18:27
peterstactellesnobrega, why don't you submit a Trove bp/spec?18:27
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SlickNikThe idea was to figure out if we could do something more along the lines of Swift / Ironic, where they have their own release train for intermediate releases (like mitaka-1,etc) , but still release as part of the major OpenStack releases.18:28
peterstacyou can reference the TC spec - then you'd hopefully get some valid feedback18:28
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SlickNikBut I'm not sure how far we got along that avenue.18:28
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amrithwe took a note (the penultimate one) in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/trove-mitaka-contributors-meetiup18:29
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tellesnobregapeterstac, sure, i will do that18:31
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SlickNikYup noted — we'd probably want to look into freezing (cut branch) early, but I think we'd still want to release (announcement / wiki-page) all up with the rest of the OpenStack releases.18:31
amrithSlickNik, maybe we should table that and discuss formally at the next meeting (and decide).18:32
amrith?18:32
SlickNikamrith: ++18:32
SlickNikFighting the gate during the release crunch is always fun! /s18:33
amrithand since we are all about taking the joy out of software development, we will deny people that fun by changing our freeze date. Good.18:33
amrith#action next week's agenda to discuss early (or late) branch cut18:34
peterstac#action Add meeting agenda item for next week wrt trove early freeze18:34
SlickNikShould probably talk to dhellmann or someone else on the release team to figure out the possibility of doing such a thing.18:34
amrith#action tellesnobrega to write BP on trove and eliminating downgrade.18:34
amrith#action pmackinn to remind people about mid-cycle reservations and confirmations18:35
amrithwhat else?18:35
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amrithatomic77, pmalik was there a concrete action item on specs, old specs, bug/spec/review scrub18:35
atomic77amrith, what i had hoped to propose was to set a goal for getting that queue down to or close to zero18:36
peterstac#chair amrith SlickNik18:36
openstackCurrent chairs: SlickNik amrith peterstac18:36
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amrith#unchair amrith18:37
openstackCurrent chairs: SlickNik peterstac18:37
* amrith currently lying down and in pain. no chair for me for a while18:37
SlickNikWow peterstac I didn't know you could do that.18:37
amrithpeterstac can do some amazing things. some of them are legal in most states.18:37
peterstac;D18:38
amrithSlickNik, ... what say re: atomic77's suggestion?18:38
SlickNik#action SlickNik to go through reviews / specs and scrub old reviews.18:38
atomic77perhaps i'm unnecessarily raising the alarm on that, i don't know if this is a normal review velocity in a release cycle for openstack18:38
amrithSlickNik, happy to help.18:39
SlickNik#undo18:39
openstackRemoving item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x95d3b90>18:39
peterstacIf we want to have all mitaka specs approved by m-1, then we've only got another week18:39
SlickNik#action SlickNik amrith to go through reviews / specs and scrub old reviews.18:39
atomic77just seems logical to me that we priortize getting specs reviewed and approved asap, that's all18:39
SlickNikthanks amrith :)18:39
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amrithatomic77, I am concerned about the review velocity as well.18:40
amrithSlickNik, happy to help.18:40
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peterstac#action Finalize spec approval for Mitaka (next meeting)18:41
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amrithanything else?18:42
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peterstacGoing once ...18:42
peterstacTwice ...18:42
* atomic77 inhales18:43
SlickNiknot from me.18:43
atomic77j/k :)18:43
peterstacThanks everyone!18:43
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peterstac#endmeeting18:43
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tellesnobregathanks18:43
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amrithbye18:43
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SlickNikThanks peterstac18:43
peterstacSlickNik, np!18:43
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