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bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 3 15:00:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
xyang2 | hi | 15:00 |
dustins | bswartz: \o | 15:00 |
aovchinnikov | hi | 15:00 |
vponomaryov | hello | 15:00 |
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jcsp | hi | 15:00 |
u_glide1 | hello | 15:00 |
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* bswartz continues to have IRC issues, so be patient if he disappears briefly | 15:01 | |
ganso | hello | 15:01 |
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bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:02 |
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bswartz | #topic midcycle meetup | 15:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to "midcycle meetup (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
bswartz | after 2 weeks of voting I closed the poll | 15:03 |
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bswartz | there was an offer to host the meetup in Roseville CA (thanks markstur!) | 15:03 |
xyang2 | markstur: no direct flight to there:( | 15:04 |
bswartz | and there was an offer to hose the meeting in the Principality of Sealand (some joker I guess) | 15:04 |
bswartz | host* | 15:04 |
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dustins | I wish I could say I did that, but it was someone more clever :) | 15:04 |
markstur_ | xyang2, no direct flights to Sealand either | 15:05 |
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u_glide1 | lol | 15:05 |
xyang2 | markstur_: that's true:) | 15:05 |
bswartz | How many people would prefer Roseville to RTP, assuming you would travel? | 15:05 |
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tbarron | hi | 15:06 |
bswartz | historically we've been nearly all virtual, and it would be nice to get a more face to face meetup going | 15:06 |
dustins | bswartz: +1 | 15:06 |
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bswartz | okay I'm not hearing any votes for Roseville | 15:07 |
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bswartz | assuming we can get people interested in meeting face to face, we will work on locations again next time | 15:07 |
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bswartz | I think this time it will be mostly virtual again | 15:07 |
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bswartz | so the next important issue is the date | 15:08 |
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bswartz | the polling showed a clear preference for 2 weeks before Cinder, followed by 1 week before cinder, and people did not like the 1 week after cinder option | 15:08 |
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* bswartz wishes he had an easy way to share the survey data | 15:08 | |
bswartz | so I think Jan 12-14 will be the date range (although we'll pick only 2 days, not 3) | 15:09 |
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bswartz | is there anyone who absolutely can't attend those dates? | 15:10 |
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bswartz | that's 6 weeks from now btw | 15:10 |
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bswartz | okay with no objections we will plan on Jan 12-14 for the midcycle | 15:11 |
bswartz | I will do an ML announcement and we will work on the agenda and the exact times in later meetings | 15:11 |
dustins | bswartz: What's the venue going to be? | 15:12 |
bswartz | anything else about the midcycle? | 15:12 |
bswartz | dustins: NetApp is willing to host in RTP | 15:12 |
bswartz | dustins: so I will need to get a list of people who will travel or already live close (like you) | 15:13 |
dustins | bswartz: Cool, that's very kind of them :) | 15:13 |
bswartz | I'll put that info in the ML post | 15:13 |
bswartz | I expect most people will be virtual as they have in the past | 15:14 |
bswartz | #topic Add "data loss" flag in DB migrations | 15:14 |
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bswartz | u_glide: you're up | 15:14 |
u_glide1 | thanks | 15:14 |
u_glide1 | We have a bunch of DB migrations which can lead to data loss (example #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245126/10/manila/db/migrations/alembic/versions/344c1ac4747f_remove_access_rules_status.py). I think we should somehow mark this migrations to simplify upgrading process. | 15:14 |
u_glide1 | Also, If we want to (someday) implement versioned objects in Manila we also should mark migrations which couldn't be applied on live cloud. But this is another story :) | 15:15 |
bswartz | a bunch of them? | 15:15 |
bswartz | isn't it just 1 in this new feature? | 15:15 |
xyang2 | u_glide1: there's work in cinder on this | 15:15 |
xyang2 | u_glide1: we can only migrate in multiple releases in some cases | 15:16 |
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xyang2 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245976/ | 15:16 |
u_glide1 | bswartz: no, we have at least 3 existing migrations with possible data loss | 15:16 |
u_glide1 | but in downgrade methods | 15:17 |
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bswartz | the online schema update will be important later -- I think we can wait to look into that until more time is spent on versioned objects however | 15:17 |
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bswartz | oh | 15:18 |
bswartz | well I can understand downgrades being destructive, since upgrades commonly add new columns | 15:18 |
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xyang2 | oh, I forgot we don't have versioned objects in manila yet | 15:18 |
bswartz | xyang2: yes we want them but it's a ton a work | 15:18 |
xyang2 | yes | 15:19 |
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bswartz | u_glide1: any upgrades destructive other than the one you propose? | 15:19 |
u_glide1 | bswartz: I didn't check it, but looks like it's the first one | 15:20 |
bswartz | and btw, I'm completely okay with the proposed upgrade -- the only thing lost would be a status column which doesn't have a ton of value | 15:20 |
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bswartz | however for safety, and for future use, I'm also okay with a flag that must be specified for destructive migrations | 15:21 |
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bswartz | although we should probably call them something less scary, or provide some help text to help the admin understand what will be lost | 15:22 |
u_glide1 | yes, it makes sense :) | 15:22 |
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bswartz | for example, if db sync is called without --force, an error message should be printed that explains --force is needed and what exactly it will do | 15:23 |
bswartz | and any scripts that currently do unattended db syncs need to be updated to specify --force | 15:23 |
bswartz | anyone disagree or want a different name for this? | 15:24 |
cknight | Will it be possible to detect that in 'db sync', even if the data loss is several migration steps away from the current one? | 15:24 |
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bswartz | cknight: I'm imagining it would sync as far as it could and stop at the lossy step if there was no --force | 15:25 |
u_glide1 | this check will be performed *before* actual upgrades | 15:25 |
bswartz | perhaps that's not the best behavior | 15:25 |
ameade | so what do i do if i want to upgrade without dataloss? | 15:25 |
cknight | bswartz: +1 It would be better to check all the steps and warn before doing any of them. | 15:25 |
ganso | bswartz: +1 | 15:26 |
bswartz | u_glide1: do you propose not doing any changes without --force if there is a lossy step that needs to be performed? | 15:26 |
u_glide1 | bswartz: yes, I do | 15:26 |
bswartz | ameade: the point of this is that it's not possible (or desirable) | 15:26 |
ameade | bswartz: so the whole point of this is just an extra warning? | 15:26 |
bswartz | ameade: admins who worry about that kind of thing take DB backups before upgrading anyways | 15:26 |
ameade | can't do that in a live upgrade though | 15:27 |
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bswartz | ameade: many projects don't allow downgrades at all, and rely on a DB backup for their "downgrade" | 15:27 |
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ameade | that's basically the position i hear us making right now | 15:28 |
dustins | bswartz: or at least they *should* take a backup | 15:28 |
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bswartz | no I think we're proposing that we will allow you to downgrade to reverse the lossy step, but if you upgrade and downgrade your database might be in a different state than it was | 15:29 |
bswartz | downgrades are not intended to be used in production -- they're for testing mostly | 15:29 |
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u_glide1 | ameade: whith this extra warnings admin will know possible issues *before* migration, not in the middle | 15:30 |
bswartz | but they're a valuable testing tool which is why we don't remove them | 15:30 |
ameade | bswartz: whats an example of it's value in testing? | 15:30 |
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bswartz | ameade: to be able to put an already-populated DB into a downgraded state so you can test your upgrades on actual data | 15:31 |
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bswartz | the alternative is forcing developers to keep backups of their DB at every possible upgrade step | 15:32 |
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ameade | well another alternative is to start in the downgraded state, get real data, then upgrade | 15:33 |
bswartz | ameade: yes but if the data you need to "get" is something that won't be added until an intermediate upgrade step, then the "get data" step might have to be run multiple times | 15:34 |
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bswartz | ameade: the question of what production deployments do with live upgrade is more interesting | 15:34 |
bswartz | the best practice is to take a backup in case the upgrade goes pear shaped | 15:34 |
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bswartz | however recovering a backup is an obviously lossy step | 15:35 |
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bswartz | since we don't to live upgrades (yet) that's not a problem we face though | 15:35 |
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bswartz | if you do an offline upgrade, then recovering from a backup is lossless | 15:36 |
ameade | mhm, i think if we want live upgrades we need to worry about these things now | 15:36 |
bswartz | I think we should move on though | 15:36 |
ameade | so we dont have crazy iterative design | 15:36 |
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bswartz | ameade: live upgrades won't apply to older upgrade steps -- only to steps we add after we have versioned objects | 15:37 |
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ameade | so we solve it one way for now and another way later? | 15:37 |
bswartz | so even once we have versioned objects to support live upgrades, users will have to do 1 last offline upgrade | 15:37 |
bswartz | I don't think this issue will change | 15:38 |
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bswartz | even if we had versioned objects and live upgrade support, we could still make decisions to alter the schema to drop data we deem useless or obsolete | 15:39 |
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ameade | i think this is such a minor thing, if we want deployers to be careful we could just always warn that db migrations may much up your db | 15:40 |
ameade | muck* | 15:40 |
bswartz | ameade: I want to hear more about what you think the problem here is, but I also want to get to the rest of our topics | 15:40 |
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ameade | i just dont think it's a big problem | 15:40 |
ameade | but yeah lets carry on | 15:41 |
bswartz | #topic Reorganization of Manila scheduler | 15:41 |
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cknight | In case you didn't know, the oslo incubator (from which Manila & Cinder get some of their scheduler code) is going away. | 15:41 |
cknight | So we have to own the code we got from there (which is already in the Manila tree) and also copy the unit tests over from oslo. | 15:41 |
bswartz | we merged a patch from cknight which moved around a lot of scheduler code | 15:41 |
cknight | I already knew the organization of the scheduler code & unit tests left a lot to be desired, and it made grafting in the oslo tests more complicated. | 15:41 |
cknight | So I cleaned it all up. That work merged yesterday, and it shouldn't break anyone (except other scheduler patches in flight). | 15:41 |
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cknight | Cinder has the same issues in their scheduler and would benefit from the same cleanup. I don't know if they would agree. | 15:42 |
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cknight | Without oslo incubator, the scheduler code we shared with Cinder is guaranteed to diverge over time. | 15:42 |
cknight | So the question for us is whether to pursue a scheduler code sharing arrangement with Cinder in the form of a library. I'm less optimistic they would be receptive to that, but we might as well consider the question as the Manila community. | 15:42 |
cknight | Thoughts? | 15:42 |
cknight | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252060/ | 15:42 |
xyang2 | cknight: do you know why oslo does not want to maintain this any more | 15:43 |
vponomaryov | cknight: ask Cinder community first | 15:43 |
bswartz | my personal feeling is that we should not propose anything to cinder that we're not happy with ourselves | 15:43 |
vponomaryov | cknight: do they want to share it with Manila via lib or not | 15:43 |
cknight | xyang2: I don't know the whole story, but there were numerous small bits of code with no owners. | 15:43 |
cknight | xyang2: The scheduler bits were in that category. | 15:43 |
xyang2 | cknight: I would think nova needs it too | 15:43 |
bswartz | merging the above patch was step 1 towards making us happy with the scheduler | 15:43 |
cknight | vponomaryov: agreed, I wouldn't do anything unless there was interest from all sides | 15:44 |
xyang2 | sharing is good, but the problem is where it should reside | 15:44 |
tbarron | have you considered taking the question to the cross-projects team? | 15:44 |
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bswartz | I'm not sure if there's enough shared code to warrant a whole library -- that's one reason it never go out of oslo-incubator | 15:44 |
cknight | xyang2: the oslo team's position is that those things belong in a shared library, and now the library must be the first step, which seems more of a barrier to entry. | 15:45 |
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bswartz | but if there is interest in a (very small) scheduling library, then we could absolutely pursue it | 15:45 |
xyang2 | os-brick is a sub project under cinder that is shared between cinder and nova | 15:45 |
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xyang2 | so even if it is a library, it should still be under some project | 15:45 |
xyang2 | otherwise, who owns it | 15:45 |
bswartz | xyang2: os-brick is quite a bit larger than the schedule code we pulled from oslo-incubator I think | 15:45 |
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dims_ | xyang2 : exactly, one of the projects can initiate the library and add others needed as cores | 15:46 |
csaba | xyang2: so cinder is a dep of nova? | 15:46 |
bswartz | xyang2: the question of ownership is likely to make it more difficult to get cinder and manila to agree | 15:46 |
xyang2 | csaba: no | 15:46 |
cknight | xyang2: would you like to ask the Cinder team about their interest in sharing a scheduler library? | 15:46 |
xyang2 | csaba: nova just uses os-brick as a lib | 15:46 |
ameade | xyang2: +1 someone has to own it | 15:46 |
xyang2 | cknight: sure | 15:46 |
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cknight | xyang2: ok, thanks. I'm content to leave it there for now, then. | 15:47 |
xyang2 | dims_: you mean make it a standalone lib outside of cinder and manila? | 15:47 |
dims_ | xyang2, cknight : process to setup a library is no onerous | 15:47 |
dims_ | s/no/not/ | 15:47 |
dims_ | sure | 15:47 |
dims_ | http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html | 15:47 |
xyang2 | dims_: thanks | 15:48 |
cknight | OK, let's let xyang2 determine interest on the Cinder side and go from there. | 15:48 |
bswartz | dims_: it may not be technically onerous, but politically its more effort to get everyone on board | 15:48 |
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cknight | The benefit for them would be better code organization and modularity. | 15:48 |
dims_ | bswartz :) true | 15:48 |
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xyang2 | I think nova may need to be involved as well | 15:48 |
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bswartz | xyang2: I don't think the nova scheduler shared much (or anything) with the cinder scheduler | 15:49 |
bswartz | I thought they diverged considerably after the fork | 15:49 |
xyang2 | bswartz: we are reading nova scheduler doc for cinder:) | 15:49 |
bswartz | oh well perhaps I'm wrong | 15:49 |
cknight | bswartz: should be simple to check | 15:50 |
bswartz | yeah | 15:50 |
bswartz | cknight: thanks for raising awareness about this | 15:50 |
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bswartz | we have one more topic | 15:50 |
bswartz | #topic CI reliability | 15:50 |
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tbarron | xyang2: that's why I was thinking cross-project, if three projects are involved, if only two, then not. | 15:50 |
cknight | So last night I was reviewing several of the Gluster patches, when I realized that none had passed their own CI tests. | 15:50 |
cknight | Ben & I have discussed how to encourage vendors to keep their CI working all the time, instead of fixing it near a release to keep from being thrown out. | 15:51 |
xyang2 | tbarron: sure | 15:51 |
cknight | I think the answer is to politely refuse to merge a driver patch if the CI for that driver has not succeeded for the patch. | 15:51 |
bswartz | csaba, rraja: what's with the glusterfs CI? | 15:51 |
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cknight | CI == *continuous* integration, and it only has value if we use it to gate patches, no different from how Jenkins gates core patches. | 15:51 |
bswartz | I've also noticed that it fails all the time recently | 15:51 |
cknight | I'm not picking on the Gluster guys, but I think we do everyone - including driver teams - a disservice by merging patches without passing CI reports. | 15:51 |
xyang2 | we are doing that in cinder. makes sense to check CI in manila as well | 15:52 |
cknight | So I'm proposing we not merge driver patches unless CI is good from that driver's CI run. | 15:52 |
csaba | cknight, bswartz : your concern is fully agreed... we planned to clean it up and fix the CI just that was delayed due to some urgent stuff | 15:52 |
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csaba | we'll fix it for next week | 15:52 |
cknight | Any dissent from reviewers? | 15:52 |
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cknight | It's trivial to check the CI result before clicking +1 or +2. | 15:53 |
dustins | What do we define as having a good CI? A week of good results? | 15:53 |
bswartz | so in additiona to glusterfs, I see a lot of red in the CI history from: Huawei, Microsoft, and Oracle | 15:53 |
cknight | dustins: It's success for the specific patch to be merged. | 15:53 |
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cknight | dustins: Otherwise we have no idea if the driver change is good. | 15:54 |
gouthamr | cknight: +1, makes sense to check. | 15:54 |
bswartz | dustins: I think the proposal is that your patch needs to pass your own CI | 15:54 |
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cknight | bswartz: +1 Exactly. Otherwise vendor CI doesn't offer much value. | 15:54 |
dustins | cknight: Makes sense to me, and it's a simple guideline to remember | 15:54 |
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bswartz | we wouldn't merge any glusterfs patch that didn't pass glusterfs CI, for example | 15:54 |
vponomaryov | bswartz, cknight: what about latency in reporting? | 15:54 |
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vponomaryov | bswartz, cknight: some CIs report ina week | 15:54 |
cknight | vponomaryov: That would be a problem. Waiting for Jenkins +1 is OK, but a week is not. | 15:55 |
bswartz | vponomaryov: vendors typically have ways to manipulate their CI queues, or force their system to check a specific patch | 15:55 |
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cknight | vponomaryov: But the patch author would then be more likely to be stuck in a rebase loop, so there is incentive to run CI faster. | 15:55 |
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bswartz | if Oracle's CI system is slow (to pick on someone else) and Oracle wanted to upgrade their driver, then they should make their CI system test their own patch and post the results as fast as it's able to | 15:56 |
vponomaryov | bswartz, cknight: do we want to set threshold for latency too? | 15:56 |
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bswartz | there are other questions about CI quality and latency we should discuss | 15:56 |
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bswartz | I think cknight is trying to raise the bar very slightly here and it sounds reasonable to me | 15:57 |
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cknight | bswartz: +1. Let's walk before we run. | 15:57 |
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dustins | bswartz: +1 | 15:57 |
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markstur_ | +1 | 15:57 |
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ganso | +1 | 15:57 |
bswartz | okay | 15:58 |
cknight | Sound like agreement. Thanks, everyone! | 15:58 |
bswartz | #agreed core reviewers should not +2 driver patches that don't receive a +1 from the CI system that tests that driver | 15:58 |
bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:59 |
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bswartz | 1 minute left.... | 15:59 |
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bswartz | okay it sounds like we wrapped up everything | 15:59 |
bswartz | oh wait... | 16:00 |
bswartz | Mitaka-1 is today! | 16:00 |
bswartz | I'm working on cutting the release -- working through some new release processes that's making it take longer than it used to | 16:00 |
bswartz | so look for the milestone to be cut this afternoon | 16:00 |
bswartz | okay thanks all | 16:00 |
bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 3 16:00:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-12-03-15.00.html | 16:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-12-03-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2015/manila.2015-12-03-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
mihgen | \o | 16:01 |
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xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:01 |
xarses | #chair xarses | 16:01 |
xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:01 |
xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:01 |
xarses | Who's here? | 16:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 3 16:01:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
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openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:01 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:01 |
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ikalnitsky | \o/ | 16:01 |
akislitsky_ | hi | 16:01 |
fzhadaev | Hi! | 16:01 |
dbilunov | hi | 16:01 |
igorbelikov | o/ | 16:01 |
ashtokolov | hi | 16:01 |
maximov_ | hi | 16:01 |
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vsakharov | hi | 16:01 |
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yottatsa | hi | 16:01 |
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xarses | #topic Action items from last meeting | 16:02 |
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xarses | holser to report concerns with ubuntu bootstrap design on openstack-dev ML | 16:02 |
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xarses | vkramskikh to include mihgen in conversation about testing external plugin dashboard links | 16:03 |
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vkramskikh | xarses: done | 16:03 |
mihgen | included, vkramskikh did it go further? | 16:03 |
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holser_ | hi | 16:03 |
vkramskikh | mihgen: yep, we're fine | 16:03 |
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mihgen | cool. xarses can you go back for holser_'s action? | 16:04 |
dpyzhov | hi | 16:04 |
xarses | (action from last week) holser_ to report concerns with ubuntu bootstrap design on openstack-dev ML | 16:04 |
holser_ | I have investigated the status | 16:04 |
holser_ | the problem is pluggability | 16:04 |
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holser_ | though we all agreed to create a blueprint and run in 9.0 | 16:05 |
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xarses | ok, letms make sure we don't miss that | 16:05 |
holser_ | in 8.0 there will be instruction how to inject drivers to bootstrap | 16:05 |
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dklenov | holser_: I still disagree with that problem | 16:05 |
xarses | is it already created? | 16:05 |
holser_ | not yet ... | 16:06 |
xarses | is there a bug for the docs? | 16:06 |
mihgen | holser_: openstack-dev email pls | 16:06 |
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holser_ | k | 16:06 |
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xarses | #action holser to follow up creating bp for plugging ubuntu bootstrap | 16:06 |
xarses | #action holser to follow up creating bug for injecting drivers into boostrap for 8.0 | 16:06 |
xarses | ok, moving | 16:07 |
xarses | kozhukalov review stuck fuel-main patches, delegate to skulanov as needed | 16:07 |
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bgaifullin | hi all | 16:08 |
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xarses | ok, moving; bgaifullin go over reviews in fuel-mirror, close obsolete ones and make sure all related bugs are addressed in new implementation | 16:08 |
ashtokolov | Fuel-mirror was merged and I’ve reviewed all bugs, so Done (both points) | 16:08 |
xarses | thanks ashtokolov | 16:09 |
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xarses | warpc help with getting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231433/ merged | 16:09 |
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xarses | its still open, so if we can get more eyes on that. that would be great | 16:10 |
xarses | ikalnitsky review refactor-cinder-vmware-role spec https://review.openstack.org/230350 | 16:10 |
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ikalnitsky | done, since it's merged | 16:10 |
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xarses | =) | 16:10 |
xarses | ikalnitsky review stuck fuel-web CRs, delegate to maintainers where necessary | 16:11 |
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ikalnitsky | i poked guys to review | 16:11 |
warpc | xares: looks good. What about mihgen question? | 16:11 |
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ikalnitsky | honestly, i can't say it really stucks. we did have a more worst situations in recent releases | 16:11 |
ikalnitsky | i also sent an email to openstack-dev with python gerrit dashboard | 16:12 |
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ikalnitsky | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080774.html | 16:12 |
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ikalnitsky | i think it should help to take care | 16:12 |
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xarses | ok, lets keep on it. If you can come up with ways to improve the situation, that would be great | 16:12 |
ikalnitsky | we need more cores.. and more reviewers. | 16:13 |
xarses | warpc: I missed mihgen's question | 16:13 |
ikalnitsky | i'm going to work on it | 16:13 |
xarses | ikalnitsky: do we have more ready to join core? | 16:13 |
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xarses | ok, moving | 16:14 |
mihgen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231433/1/specs/fuel-nailgun-agent.spec | 16:14 |
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mihgen | question here perhaps about pkg naming | 16:14 |
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mihgen | let's just provide feedback in the review request | 16:15 |
xarses | mihgen: yes why does it have that anyway | 16:15 |
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xarses | its always the right version | 16:15 |
ikalnitsky | +1 on removing suffix. | 16:16 |
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xarses | it doesn't need ~fuel anyway | 16:16 |
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mihgen | in the changeset folks | 16:16 |
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xarses | ok, moving | 16:17 |
mihgen | xarses: moving .. / | 16:17 |
xarses | holser ikalnitsky review stuck specs, ping angdraug for merge when done | 16:17 |
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holser_ | ok xarses | 16:18 |
ikalnitsky | i think there's no specs got 8.0 | 16:18 |
holser_ | all unmerged spec should go to 9.0 | 16:18 |
ikalnitsky | holser_: +1 | 16:18 |
ikalnitsky | we need to ping authors | 16:18 |
xarses | holser_: if they already landed though, we need to close them out | 16:19 |
holser_ | yep :( | 16:19 |
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xarses | keep in mind, angdraug will be out for a 1-2 weeks so we need to reach agreement with out him | 16:19 |
xarses | last one | 16:20 |
xarses | nurla follow up on http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080477.html | 16:20 |
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nurla | okay, do you have any comments for me? | 16:20 |
xarses | I don't, just keep up on it. I'm curious to see how this ends up | 16:22 |
xarses | ok, for the main attraction... | 16:22 |
xarses | #topic 8.0 Feature Freeze http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081149.html (angdraug) | 16:22 |
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xarses | angdraug is out, so I'll pipe up here | 16:22 |
xarses | we are now in FF, if you don't yet have a FF you are blocked until we branch | 16:23 |
xarses | we are planning on branching on SCF (~Dec 23) at which time, master will be open for features again | 16:23 |
mihgen | don't have a FF exception* | 16:23 |
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xarses | mihgen: yes, correct. If you don't already have a FF exception, you are blocked until we branch | 16:24 |
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xarses | any questions? | 16:25 |
maximov_ | also we freeze all repos for today | 16:25 |
maximov_ | according to our centos7 integration plan | 16:25 |
xarses | maximov_: for centos7? ya | 16:25 |
mihgen | today only or tomorrow too? | 16:25 |
ikalnitsky | maximov_: for today only? i thought it until it's merged | 16:25 |
maximov_ | today evening we will assess the progress | 16:25 |
maximov_ | and will extend to tomorrow | 16:25 |
mihgen | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081230.html | 16:26 |
mihgen | let's use this thread as a source of truth and watch for updates | 16:26 |
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mihgen | time folks, let's go quicker | 16:27 |
xarses | #topic Moving Fuel services out of Docker containers (kozhukalov) | 16:27 |
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xarses | moving on then | 16:29 |
xarses | #topic Mixed team status (sslypushenko) | 16:29 |
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sslypushenko_ | Development on BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/openstack-config-change finished and all patchsets merged. | 16:29 |
sslypushenko_ | Manual testing in progress. Some bugs found and fixing is in progress | 16:29 |
mihgen | this is great, could you update status of this bp then.. ? | 16:30 |
sslypushenko_ | ok, will do | 16:30 |
mihgen | it's in my list to ask for status update anyway. We want clear pic on what is in and what is out for 8.0 | 16:30 |
mihgen | thx | 16:30 |
sslypushenko_ | also automation tests is in progress to | 16:31 |
sslypushenko_ | I think that is all from my side | 16:31 |
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mihgen | if qa is not blocked, then we are good. | 16:31 |
sslypushenko_ | We are working on it) | 16:31 |
xarses | sslypushenko_: thanks, this will become very useful | 16:31 |
xarses | #topic Telco Team Status (fzhadaev) | 16:32 |
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fzhadaev | Fuel Telco team is finnishing work on Ubuntu bootstrap feature. Current status: | 16:32 |
fzhadaev | 1) All functional commites are merged. | 16:32 |
fzhadaev | 2) Writing automatic tests is in progress. | 16:32 |
fzhadaev | 3) We'll switch to Ubuntu bootstrap by default after tests will be done. | 16:32 |
xarses | fzhadaev: fantastic, thanks | 16:32 |
mihgen | during meeting yesterday, two commits were mentioned | 16:32 |
mihgen | as those need exception for enabling it | 16:33 |
fzhadaev | mihgen: they are merged | 16:33 |
mihgen | both merged, appears to be those are not for enabling ubuntu by default? | 16:33 |
mihgen | in my email: Ubuntu boostrap. Two patches requested for FFE: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250504/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251873/. Both are merged. So I consider that this is actually done. | 16:33 |
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mihgen | so then it is not a correct statement. Why didn't you folllow up in the email thread.. ? | 16:34 |
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fzhadaev | yep. feature is done. switching the default os isn't part of feature. | 16:34 |
fzhadaev | it's just UX improvement | 16:34 |
mihgen | It IS part of the feature | 16:34 |
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mihgen | if it's not tested now automatically | 16:34 |
mihgen | and by all who download and manually test ISO | 16:34 |
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mihgen | that means we losing cycles of finding potential issues there | 16:35 |
mihgen | more over, it means that code is not complete if you can't just easily switch now | 16:35 |
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dklenov | ok, let me comment | 16:35 |
mihgen | what is left to be done to switch it to be default one? | 16:35 |
dklenov | in the initial plan automatic tests are scheduled to be completed in the upcoming iteration | 16:36 |
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dklenov | and we do not want to switch it by default unless it is run agaist these tests | 16:36 |
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dklenov | switch is a small commit in a fuelmenu | 16:37 |
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xarses | so, then the feature is out for 8.0, it needs to be moved to experimental | 16:37 |
dklenov | and I see more risk to switch to it without tests | 16:37 |
mihgen | I don't really get why it won't be tested if we switch to it by default? | 16:37 |
fzhadaev | BTW, Ubuntu is available in Fuel menu now. User can chose it as bootstrap os. It's just not default OS. | 16:37 |
dklenov | generally if needed we can switch to it even now | 16:37 |
mihgen | in all swarm & bvt | 16:37 |
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ntrueblood | do we have documentation that explains how to build dynamic, ubuntu bootstrap if custom drivers are needed? | 16:38 |
dklenov | ntrueblood: doc will be completed in January | 16:38 |
dklenov | mihgen: we can generally switch even now by default to ubuntu | 16:39 |
mihgen | dklenov: unless it runs by default starting from now, I feel there is a large risk of releasing it as a production solution later | 16:39 |
mihgen | we need community, and other to start actually using it | 16:39 |
dklenov | ok, I would involve QA folks as well | 16:39 |
mihgen | and file bugs. Delaying a moment of running it by default means way less testing | 16:39 |
mihgen | dklenov: please follow up in my email about FF exceptions with detailed data and plan | 16:40 |
xarses | #topic Enhancements Team Status (ashtokolov) | 16:40 |
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ashtokolov | Yesterday we finished feature development (except one FFE | 16:40 |
ashtokolov | Enhancements Team status: Fix committed+Fix released = 51 | 16:40 |
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xarses | #action dklenov will follow up with with details on enabling ubuntu bootstrap on FFE thready | 16:41 |
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holser_ | ashtokolov one multi rack feature went out of scope of 8.0 | 16:42 |
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holser_ | ashtokolov it was moved to 9.0 | 16:42 |
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ashtokolov | sorry, I had troubles with irc client | 16:43 |
mihgen | holser_: which one? | 16:43 |
holser_ | adidenko knows better | 16:43 |
akasatkin | it is manual VIP address seting | 16:44 |
mihgen | ok | 16:44 |
akasatkin | setting* | 16:44 |
ashtokolov | it's about ATT task with VIP allocation | 16:44 |
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ashtokolov | we faced with DB changes | 16:44 |
alex_didenko | The following BPs have been moved out of multirack scope and assigned to 9.0 | 16:44 |
alex_didenko | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/allow-any-vip | 16:44 |
alex_didenko | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/dhcp-vips | 16:44 |
alex_didenko | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/selective-default-gateway-net | 16:44 |
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xarses | ok | 16:44 |
ntrueblood | we also have not quite finished creating a document that describes how to set up controllers in HA across multiple racks. | 16:44 |
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ntrueblood | multiple l3 segmented racks, that is. | 16:45 |
ashtokolov | and there was no way to fix it without DB changes | 16:45 |
xarses | ntrueblood: do we have the docs defect captured somewhere? | 16:45 |
mihgen | alex_didenko: is it in your todo list for HA across multiple racks docs.. ? | 16:45 |
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xarses | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1476140 ? | 16:46 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1476140 in Fuel for OpenStack "Nodegroup instructions improvement" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Fuel Documentation Team (fuel-docs) | 16:46 |
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ntrueblood | We have a JIRA backlog item for it, but we probably also need an lp bp. Not sure of status | 16:46 |
alex_didenko | mihgen: yes | 16:46 |
xarses | lets keep going, we have 14 min | 16:46 |
xarses | #topic UI Team status (vkramskikh). | 16:47 |
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vkramskikh | Hi, we've merged all the features we planned to deliver without FFEs and switching to bugfixing and helping partners team to deliver Component registry. We have 7 High bugs and plan do fix them before SCF. Any questions? | 16:47 |
alex_didenko | mihgen: I'll update maybe on the next meeting about it | 16:47 |
mihgen | alex_didenko: cool, thx | 16:47 |
mihgen | vkramskikh: sounds good. thanks for keeping an eye on component registry FFE | 16:47 |
xarses | vkramskikh: great =) | 16:48 |
xarses | #topic Bugs team status (dpyzhov) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-bugs-status | 16:48 |
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dpyzhov | hi guys | 16:48 |
dpyzhov | I've update bugs statistics | 16:48 |
dpyzhov | Right now my team is focused on several high priority tricky bugs | 16:49 |
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dpyzhov | We don't have many of them | 16:49 |
dpyzhov | and almost all of them are assigned | 16:49 |
xarses | anything that we should discuss? | 16:49 |
mihgen | dpyzhov: do you see an increasing # of incoming? | 16:49 |
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dpyzhov | mihgen: not yet | 16:49 |
dpyzhov | Actually I have a question | 16:49 |
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dpyzhov | Are we going to have more developers moved to bugfixing now? | 16:50 |
mihgen | qa is not at full speed then. Let's sync and help if needed, they might be blocked | 16:50 |
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dpyzhov | We have a bunch of medium priority bugs | 16:50 |
mattymo_ | One bug that is really impacting our ability to fix bugs is tracebacks in syslog in oslo.logging | 16:50 |
mattymo_ | It was rejected as invalid by mos oslo team (dims) as a feature, not a bug | 16:50 |
mihgen | I expect all teams which were working on features to do bugfixes in their features implmeneted | 16:50 |
mattymo_ | we have to reproduce the original problem in order to get the local trace that gets sent directly to file | 16:51 |
dpyzhov | And if we'll have more people than we'll need to think how to organize them all effectively | 16:51 |
xarses | mattymo: if not already, lets start a ML about that | 16:51 |
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mihgen | mattymo: this would be great feedback to oslo team from operators, i.e. you, let's share in ML | 16:51 |
dpyzhov | mihgen: and what will happen when they fix their bugs? | 16:51 |
mihgen | work on other features | 16:51 |
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mattymo_ | xarses, sure. I've found another fun bug where some cinder errors don't log traceback to either) | 16:52 |
mihgen | master opens on SCF | 16:52 |
mattymo_ | mihgen, I'll start a thread on it | 16:52 |
mihgen | cool | 16:52 |
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dpyzhov | So noone is going to join the bugs backlog cleanup party | 16:52 |
dpyzhov | that's ok | 16:52 |
dpyzhov | thanks | 16:52 |
dpyzhov | I have no more questions | 16:52 |
xarses | #topic Let's clarify 8.0 blueprints statuses (mihgen) | 16:52 |
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mihgen | folks let's go over some of bps, but I really need your help to go over them and just set rigth status or move out of 8.0 | 16:53 |
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mihgen | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/8.0-features-status | 16:53 |
xarses | #action mattymo will create ML to discuss issues with oslo.logging not sending some tracebacks on syslog | 16:53 |
yottatsa | I need reviewers for Tenant IPv6 Docs and Tests spec https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/provider-tenant-ipv6-networking | 16:53 |
mihgen | this is the list | 16:53 |
yottatsa | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/provider-tenant-ipv6-networking | 16:53 |
mihgen | nurla: can you find someone to help with tests spec for ^^ ..? | 16:54 |
dims_ | mattymo_ : needs to be fixed upstream first https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.log/+bug/1514828 | 16:54 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1514828 in oslo.log "tracebacks are not logged to syslog" [Low,Triaged] | 16:54 |
nurla | yep, we agreed with Alekesey that we are staring work after FF | 16:54 |
mihgen | dims_: I doubt if it's Low if it makes life of ops very painful | 16:54 |
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yottatsa | mihgen nurla: ashtokolov said we're staring doing QA on next week, QA engineer is alerady allocated | 16:54 |
mihgen | yottatsa: ping me offline for docs | 16:55 |
mihgen | other bps: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/support-ip-ranges-for-storage-management-networks-on-ui | 16:55 |
dims_ | mihgen : welcome to bump up that importance :) | 16:55 |
mihgen | vkramskikh: ^^ | 16:55 |
nurla | yottatsa: after FF :) | 16:55 |
yottatsa | nurla yes, on I-4 | 16:55 |
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mihgen | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/network-interfaces-naming-schema | 16:55 |
mihgen | holser_: do you status of this one ^^ | 16:56 |
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mihgen | alex_didenko: can we move https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/l3-multiple-racks to implemented? what deployment status means? | 16:56 |
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alex_didenko | mihgen: we have some QA BPs linked to this BP | 16:57 |
alex_didenko | and they are still in development | 16:57 |
mihgen | bgaifullin: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/refactor-local-mirror-scripts can this one be closed as Implemented.. ? | 16:57 |
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xarses | 3 min | 16:58 |
xarses | well 2 | 16:58 |
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mihgen | alex_didenko: we need to think about how to do it in this case then. when I open https://launchpad.net/fuel/+milestone/8.0, I'd like to understand what is in and what is out.. | 16:58 |
alex_didenko | actually, I've closed mine as implemented, we'll track system tests separately | 16:58 |
mihgen | may be deployment status is ok and we push all other out | 16:58 |
bgaifullin | mihgen, I think yes | 16:58 |
mihgen | vkramskikh: holser_ reply on those two first bps... ? | 16:58 |
mihgen | bgaifullin: cool,pls update | 16:59 |
mihgen | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/plugin-after-deployment | 16:59 |
mihgen | ikalnitsky: ^^ | 16:59 |
mihgen | ashtokolov: ^^ | 16:59 |
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ashtokolov | Dine | 16:59 |
ashtokolov | Done | 16:59 |
ikalnitsky | it's done | 16:59 |
ikalnitsky | all patches are merged | 16:59 |
mihgen | pls update bp then | 17:00 |
xarses | time folks, lets wrap on #fuel-dev | 17:00 |
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xarses | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 3 17:00:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-12-03-16.01.html | 17:00 |
tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-12-03-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
mihgen | that's it from my short list | 17:00 |
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openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-12-03-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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mihgen | but long one still needs other to look into | 17:00 |
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tmcpeak | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 3 17:00:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
tmcpeak | #chair hyakuhei | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
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openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 17:00 |
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openstack | hyakuhei: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 17:01 |
hyakuhei | heh | 17:01 |
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hyakuhei | Thanks tmcpeak | 17:01 |
tmcpeak | :P | 17:01 |
nkinder | Hi all | 17:01 |
tmcpeak | take it away sir | 17:01 |
ysm | o/ | 17:01 |
tmcpeak | hey nkinder | 17:01 |
nkinder | fyi - I'm only half here (in another meeting) | 17:01 |
hyakuhei | hey nkinder ! | 17:01 |
tmcpeak | fair enough | 17:01 |
browne | hi | 17:01 |
nkinder | Push OSSN stuff to the end please | 17:01 |
tmcpeak | cool | 17:01 |
hyakuhei | righto! | 17:01 |
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hyakuhei | Okiedokie I guess we can get started | 17:02 |
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hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20151203-agenda | 17:02 |
hyakuhei | Agenda ^ | 17:02 |
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tmcpeak | nice | 17:02 |
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tmcpeak | I like this etherpad approach | 17:02 |
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hyakuhei | Normally I like to share them earlier | 17:03 |
hyakuhei | bumped OSSN to the bottom of the list | 17:03 |
hyakuhei | As per nkinder :) | 17:03 |
hyakuhei | Hmmm, no redrobot here. | 17:03 |
hyakuhei | ok, so I also knocked this together | 17:03 |
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tmcpeak | no michaelxin either | 17:03 |
hyakuhei | #topic Publicity | 17:03 |
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hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-raising-profile | 17:03 |
hyakuhei | Etherpad for ideas on how to raise awareness as well as tracking which teams we’ve spammed :) | 17:04 |
michaelxin | here | 17:04 |
tmcpeak | oh nice | 17:04 |
michaelxin | sorry that I am late | 17:04 |
michaelxin | half here too. | 17:04 |
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hyakuhei | General idea is that you look through, pick a few in your timezone and drop in on their meetings, add something to the teams agenda if you can | 17:04 |
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hyakuhei | The boilerplate part is there for us to work on some messaging, make it easier to be consistent in meetings | 17:05 |
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tmcpeak | cool, shall we prioritize in some way? | 17:05 |
michaelxin | that's a huge list | 17:05 |
tmcpeak | +1 - huge list | 17:05 |
hyakuhei | That’s almost every team | 17:05 |
hyakuhei | I’m happy to cut | 17:05 |
michaelxin | we need some security champs | 17:05 |
michaelxin | +1 for prioritizing | 17:06 |
hyakuhei | michaelxin: While I agree, for the most part we need champs to come to us | 17:06 |
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hyakuhei | That is to say, people like bknudson who work on another project but also want to dip into security | 17:06 |
tmcpeak | +1 - too many groups for us to be involved with each | 17:06 |
tmcpeak | seems easier and more effective to get people interested in security within a project | 17:07 |
sicarie | hyakuhei: I was noticing this week that the neutron api folk put out a request to -dev for liaisons | 17:07 |
hyakuhei | I think the best we can do is increase our visbility and accessibility - if we build it, they <might> come | 17:07 |
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bknudson | the bandit work should help | 17:07 |
hyakuhei | sicarie: We’ve tried that (years ago) - lets see if they get traction with that. | 17:07 |
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tmcpeak | bknudson: agreed | 17:07 |
bknudson | maybe we need to make it clearer that bandit is an ossg project? | 17:07 |
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hyakuhei | bknudson: I’d like to bask in the Bandit glory :D | 17:08 |
tmcpeak | hehe | 17:08 |
tmcpeak | I assume we'll be needing a big push again once we get the baseline gate working | 17:08 |
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tmcpeak | at that point I'd imagine most projects should be ready to do at least a non-voting gate to start | 17:09 |
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tmcpeak | so how should we go forward on this? | 17:09 |
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michaelxin | we can brainstorm for some ideas | 17:09 |
tmcpeak | maybe get a few of us interested | 17:09 |
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michaelxin | it might be a good topic for mid-cycle | 17:09 |
tmcpeak | then each sign up for 2 meetings to start? | 17:09 |
hyakuhei | Well, start with some more boilerplate on that etherpad. It’d be good if everyone just picked a couple of meetings. | 17:10 |
tmcpeak | 1) drop something on the meeting agenda, 2) introduce ourselves and our mission, 3) ask if anybody is interested in security? | 17:10 |
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hyakuhei | Prioritising is great but to start with just picking those meetings that fit most easily with your schedule is fine | 17:10 |
hyakuhei | tmcpeak: Pretty much | 17:10 |
tmcpeak | ok, I'll pick a couple now | 17:10 |
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hyakuhei | It would be ncie to have the Boilerplate really become more of an FAQ. | 17:10 |
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michaelxin | I will sign up two | 17:11 |
tmcpeak | ok I'll take OSLO and Heat to begin | 17:12 |
hyakuhei | Great, put your name by them | 17:12 |
tmcpeak | good work hyakuhei | 17:12 |
michaelxin | +1 | 17:12 |
hyakuhei | and then just strike them out (line through) when done? | 17:12 |
tmcpeak | will do | 17:13 |
hyakuhei | I’ll prune the list a little later, groking the meeting info has resulted in entries for _everything_ | 17:13 |
bknudson | we should make sure that people are clear that ossg isn't keystone | 17:13 |
tmcpeak | hehe | 17:13 |
tmcpeak | wut? | 17:13 |
bknudson | since I would think most people think that keystone handles security for their project | 17:13 |
tmcpeak | oh.. like that | 17:13 |
bknudson | most developers | 17:13 |
tmcpeak | well then we've got some work to do | 17:13 |
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michaelxin | bknudson: Thanks for letting us know | 17:14 |
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hyakuhei | Absolutely, that’s why I figured having some boilerplate text might be useful | 17:14 |
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hyakuhei | I’ll also push to have a security-project presentation at each of the summits moving forward. | 17:15 |
tmcpeak | yeah true | 17:15 |
tmcpeak | how should we approach that? | 17:15 |
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tmcpeak | we can point to the deck too | 17:15 |
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hyakuhei | tbh, I’m not sure it’s that important, not many devs go to the conference talks. | 17:15 |
hyakuhei | But yeah, we need to think of other things to raise profile too | 17:16 |
michaelxin | We tried one for Tokyo | 17:16 |
tmcpeak | I just mean we can pull the boiler plate from the deck | 17:16 |
michaelxin | only two showed up | 17:16 |
bknudson | I think the best way to raise the profile in other projects is to get involved | 17:17 |
michaelxin | bknudson: +1 | 17:17 |
bknudson | for example, push changes to enable bandit | 17:17 |
tmcpeak | definitely - I'm just not sure we have the resources | 17:17 |
tmcpeak | we need more bknudson's | 17:17 |
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bknudson | we have to prioritize... maybe it's more important to get bandit in the projects rather than adding new features | 17:17 |
hyakuhei | I’ll be able to put some more effort from my team into pushing bandit out to other projects. | 17:17 |
hyakuhei | bknudson, possiblilty for parallel tracks | 17:18 |
bknudson | It doesn't hurt to go to the meetings and ask for volunteers | 17:18 |
hyakuhei | It’s also possible that integrating with other projects might be more approachable than creating new features | 17:18 |
bknudson | sometimes devs are looking for interesting work | 17:18 |
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tmcpeak | yeah - if we just double down on getting a bandit gate in most of these, then they'll have had a (hopefully good) introduction to the security team | 17:18 |
tmcpeak | and ideally be more comfortable reaching out for design decisions and the other stuff we do | 17:18 |
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bknudson | getting reminders from bandit that they don't know security should help. | 17:19 |
hyakuhei | Demonstrating value is always a good way to get buy-in | 17:19 |
tmcpeak | bknudson: :D | 17:19 |
hyakuhei | lol yes that too | 17:20 |
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bknudson | how about an action plan to get a project using bandit with the new baseline feature, write up how it's done, and post a message to the mailing list | 17:21 |
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hyakuhei | Anything to discuss re: Bandit specifically ? | 17:21 |
bknudson | then when you attend the meeting ask for help with this. | 17:21 |
tmcpeak | bknudson: that sounds like a great approach | 17:21 |
hyakuhei | Agree | 17:21 |
tmcpeak | ok cool, tkelsey or I can take that action | 17:21 |
tmcpeak | I'm guiding one of our internal teams through setting up the baseline gates currently :) | 17:22 |
tmcpeak | that should be it for Bandit | 17:22 |
hyakuhei | I’d be interested in helping out | 17:23 |
tmcpeak | awesome | 17:23 |
tmcpeak | let's shoot for that as the next step then | 17:23 |
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hyakuhei | Throw it in the etherpad. | 17:23 |
tmcpeak | shouldn't be too bad, I've already got the requisite jenkins job manager magic | 17:23 |
tmcpeak | ok | 17:23 |
hyakuhei | Thanks tmcpeak ! | 17:23 |
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tmcpeak | cool, np | 17:24 |
hyakuhei | Ok, lets roll on. We don’t have dg_ or tkelsey as they’re at HPE Discover | 17:25 |
bknudson | we don't need baseline for keystone since we've got it deployed | 17:25 |
hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:25 |
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hyakuhei | Anything else going on here that you’d like to discuss? | 17:25 |
tmcpeak | so we have a proposal to fix config | 17:25 |
tmcpeak | https://review.openstack.org/249128 | 17:26 |
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tmcpeak | basically config has been one of the major pain points | 17:26 |
tmcpeak | the file is huge, if you update Bandit a lot of times your old config doesn't work as expected, etc | 17:26 |
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tmcpeak | so basically the idea is to break it up. Some stuff can be flat out removed, other stuff will be moved to dedicated profile files, and the config generator will be adapted to build profiles easily | 17:27 |
tmcpeak | I encourage you all to read it if you haven't yet | 17:27 |
bknudson | the proposal looks like it'll be a nice improvement | 17:27 |
browne | nice, i missed that spec | 17:27 |
bknudson | the bandit upgrade changes have been difficult to review | 17:27 |
tmcpeak | bknudson: awesome, was hoping you'd think so | 17:27 |
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tmcpeak | (our most loyal customer) | 17:27 |
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tmcpeak | bknudson: upgrade changes? | 17:28 |
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bknudson | yes, when we're supporting new versions of bandit | 17:28 |
bknudson | and the config file changes | 17:28 |
tmcpeak | oh yeah.. | 17:28 |
tmcpeak | so this should obviate the need to do that | 17:28 |
bknudson | it's difficult for reviewers to know if it's correct or not | 17:28 |
tmcpeak | basically what you'll do from a keystone perspective is run "bandit —include 101-150" or something | 17:29 |
tmcpeak | and then it will just run the right tests | 17:29 |
browne | yea | 17:29 |
tmcpeak | similar to how PEP8 works | 17:29 |
bknudson | no config file? | 17:29 |
tmcpeak | nope | 17:29 |
tmcpeak | you can have a profile file | 17:29 |
tmcpeak | that specifies which tests and settings | 17:29 |
tmcpeak | and if you have that profile it'll work from one version to the next | 17:29 |
tmcpeak | bc each plugin has defaults values for what it needs built in | 17:30 |
bknudson | that works as long as it doesn't put too many lines in the tox.ini | 17:30 |
tmcpeak | bknudson: it'll be really small tox.ini | 17:30 |
tmcpeak | we'd like to get these done before midcycle but who knows | 17:31 |
tmcpeak | that special not working time of the year is rolling on up | 17:31 |
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browne | tmcpeak: when is midcycle? | 17:31 |
hyakuhei | speaking of the midcycle, we don’t have a whole-lot of signups | 17:31 |
tmcpeak | Jan 11-15 I think | 17:31 |
hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-mitaka-midcycle | 17:31 |
hyakuhei | Has Rackspace confirmed the space now? | 17:32 |
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michaelxin | hyakuhei: yes | 17:32 |
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michaelxin | We booked the conferences for both | 17:32 |
michaelxin | teams | 17:32 |
tmcpeak | yeah we don't… time to scare up more participants! | 17:32 |
hyakuhei | Wonderful, I thought was the case but thank you for the confirmation. | 17:32 |
michaelxin | We also booked some small conference rooms if we want to break into small groups | 17:32 |
tmcpeak | #topic Midcycle | 17:33 |
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hyakuhei | Perfect | 17:33 |
tmcpeak | :) | 17:33 |
bknudson | I might be able to get another couple to go. I have to advertise it. | 17:33 |
bknudson | I wasn't sure if the dates were confirmed. | 17:33 |
bknudson | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints | 17:34 |
michaelxin | The dates should be 01/12-01/15 | 17:34 |
michaelxin | Tuesday to Friday | 17:34 |
tmcpeak | so.. who wants to go to midcycle and hasn't signed up? | 17:34 |
hyakuhei | I’ll add ours now | 17:34 |
bknudson | thanks! | 17:34 |
browne | i want to, but need to confirm with mgmt | 17:34 |
michaelxin | Barbian team's mid-cycle is from Monday to Wednesday | 17:35 |
tmcpeak | sigmavirus24: it's in your backyard, you should come | 17:35 |
michaelxin | So we have two day overlapped. | 17:35 |
sigmavirus24 | oh? | 17:35 |
sigmavirus24 | where? | 17:35 |
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michaelxin | It should give us some time to work together. | 17:35 |
sigmavirus24 | hm | 17:35 |
michaelxin | sigmavirus24: in the castle | 17:35 |
sigmavirus24 | I will talk to my manager | 17:36 |
tmcpeak | sweet | 17:36 |
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sigmavirus24 | and approved | 17:38 |
tmcpeak | haha damn | 17:38 |
tmcpeak | nice | 17:38 |
michaelxin | sigmavirus24: +1 | 17:39 |
tmcpeak | allright so, in conclusion - sign up if you haven't and you'd like to come to midcycle | 17:39 |
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hyakuhei | +1 | 17:40 |
tmcpeak | recruiting? | 17:40 |
tmcpeak | or nkinder.. | 17:40 |
hyakuhei | #topic Recruiting | 17:40 |
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tmcpeak | sweet | 17:40 |
hyakuhei | Which kind of overlaps with the publicity stuff | 17:40 |
tmcpeak | I've got a slot at the OpenStack meetup in the bay | 17:40 |
hyakuhei | Excellent! | 17:40 |
tmcpeak | Jan 21st I think | 17:40 |
tmcpeak | browne said he'll come too | 17:40 |
michaelxin | ccneil delivered a talk for Austin Openstack meetup | 17:40 |
tmcpeak | nkinder would but he's actually pretty far in the boonies now | 17:40 |
tmcpeak | michaelxin: legit! | 17:41 |
tmcpeak | anything come from it? | 17:41 |
nkinder | Yeah, I'm not sure if I'll be down there at that time | 17:41 |
michaelxin | A couple of people showed interest in Bandit | 17:41 |
tmcpeak | and how was it received? I think he's the first | 17:41 |
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michaelxin | none is interested in OSSP. :-( | 17:41 |
tmcpeak | how many people turned up? | 17:41 |
michaelxin | 30+ | 17:41 |
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michaelxin | Visa gave a talk before our talk. | 17:42 |
tmcpeak | any feel for demographics? | 17:42 |
michaelxin | I do not know. | 17:42 |
michaelxin | I was not there. | 17:42 |
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michaelxin | We will host a OWASP San Antonio in two weeks. | 17:42 |
michaelxin | We will handle out flyers. | 17:43 |
tmcpeak | nice! | 17:43 |
hyakuhei | Superb! | 17:43 |
elmiko | o/ | 17:43 |
michaelxin | And talk with people about OSSP | 17:43 |
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tmcpeak | elmiko: you made it afterall :) | 17:43 |
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elmiko | tmcpeak: my talk ended a little early =) | 17:44 |
tmcpeak | awesome | 17:44 |
hyakuhei | welcome elmiko | 17:44 |
hyakuhei | nkinder: you around to talk OSSNs now ? | 17:44 |
nkinder | Sure | 17:44 |
hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:44 |
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nkinder | So there's an embargoed one that I'm working on that's quite close to being opened up | 17:45 |
tmcpeak | yep, that ones looking good | 17:45 |
nkinder | The way the issue is being handled has changed since I drafted the note, so there are some minor changes needed. | 17:45 |
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nkinder | There was another issue that was embargoed that tmcpeak and hyakuhei worked on | 17:46 |
bknudson | maybe we can get some other folks to look at the proposals, maybe they have a different opinion | 17:46 |
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hyakuhei | nkinder: Does that need another look? | 17:46 |
nkinder | I believe the issue is public now, but the note was never proposed as a review | 17:46 |
tmcpeak | wait, which one is this? | 17:46 |
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nkinder | hyakuhei: OSSN-0060, which is in the embargoed repo we use | 17:47 |
tmcpeak | is that the one we distributed through the OSSA channel? | 17:47 |
hyakuhei | I think so yeah | 17:47 |
hyakuhei | it never got the final release? | 17:47 |
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tmcpeak | I thought it did.. | 17:48 |
nkinder | so are we dropping the OSSN? If so, we should close the OSSN bug for it and free up the OSSN number | 17:48 |
tmcpeak | no it should just be released as a public OSSN now | 17:48 |
nkinder | tmcpeak: ok, do you want to propose the review since you worked on writing it? | 17:49 |
hyakuhei | Yeah, I think it just goes out as normal | 17:49 |
nkinder | then I can review it | 17:49 |
hyakuhei | I can help with that. | 17:49 |
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nkinder | ok, great. | 17:49 |
tmcpeak | nkinder: sorry I missed your comments about 0060 | 17:49 |
tmcpeak | I don't read gud | 17:49 |
nkinder | The queue of OSSNs is looking pretty good | 17:50 |
nkinder | There are 3 to be picked up | 17:50 |
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nkinder | one new one came in last week that should be easy - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1516031 | 17:50 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1516031 in Glance "Use of MD5 in OpenStack Glance image signature (CVE-2015-8234)" [Undecided,Triaged] | 17:50 |
hyakuhei | lol - I can knock that out tomorrow morning unless someone else wants it | 17:50 |
hyakuhei | been a while since I authored an OSSN | 17:51 |
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tmcpeak | hmm | 17:51 |
nkinder | hyakuhei: cool. I'll try to get to one of the other ones once the embargoed one I'm working is wrapped up. | 17:51 |
hyakuhei | Cool | 17:51 |
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tmcpeak | looks like a fun one | 17:52 |
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tmcpeak | that's actually a cool bug | 17:52 |
tmcpeak | signature = rsa(sha256(md5(disk-image-content))) | 17:52 |
tmcpeak | This degrades the security of the system to that of the weakest hash, which is obviously MD5 here. | 17:52 |
hyakuhei | #action hyakuhei to pick up bug 1516031 | 17:52 |
openstack | bug 1516031 in Glance "Use of MD5 in OpenStack Glance image signature (CVE-2015-8234)" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516031 | 17:52 |
tmcpeak | not super obvious from the code but it's true | 17:52 |
nkinder | That's about it on the OSSN side of things. Anyone interested can pick one of then up. :) | 17:52 |
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hyakuhei | Thanks nkinder | 17:52 |
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elmiko | tmcpeak: a collision on the md5 would ripple up through the sha and rsa? | 17:53 |
tmcpeak | you can just brute the md5 and then calculate sha256 of it | 17:54 |
elmiko | right | 17:54 |
nkinder | yeah, hash the same input and you get the same output | 17:54 |
tmcpeak | I'm not sure how the rsa fits in | 17:54 |
hyakuhei | *sigh* | 17:54 |
elmiko | lol | 17:54 |
hyakuhei | Righto, Any other business. | 17:54 |
hyakuhei | #topic Any Other Business | 17:54 |
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tristanC | oh hi folks, if I may share another list of things to do... This is the list of public OSSA issues (confirmed and incomplete): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossa/+bugs?field.information_type%3Alist=PUBLICSECURITY&orderby=-status&start=0 | 17:55 |
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hyakuhei | Are these where you need opinions from us? | 17:56 |
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tristanC | well the two first one needs patch | 17:56 |
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tristanC | the swift one needs opinion, investigation... | 17:57 |
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tristanC | and the last one also requires some more investigation | 17:58 |
hyakuhei | Excellent, anyone want to take actions on these? | 17:58 |
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tmcpeak | if they haven't been done by next week I should have some time to spend | 17:58 |
hyakuhei | I’ll try to do some on Monday. | 17:58 |
tristanC | to be honest, we figured those public ossa issue would be better discussed with OSSP | 17:59 |
tmcpeak | ok cool, Ill put it on my queue for Monday too | 17:59 |
tristanC | but times is now running out, so yes if they could get reviewed next time, that would be very helpful | 17:59 |
tmcpeak | ok cool, will do | 18:00 |
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tmcpeak | time is up! | 18:00 |
hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 3 18:00:28 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
hyakuhei | Thanks all! | 18:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-12-03-17.00.html | 18:00 |
tmcpeak | ~o/ | 18:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-12-03-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-12-03-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
tristanC | thanks :) | 18:00 |
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tmcpeak | have a good week everyone | 18:00 |
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elmiko | thanks hyakuhei | 18:01 |
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