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bswartz#startmeeting manila15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Dec  3 15:00:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)"15:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'manila'15:00
bswartzhello all15:00
xyang2hi15:00
dustinsbswartz: \o15:00
aovchinnikovhi15:00
vponomaryovhello15:00
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jcsphi15:00
u_glide1hello15:00
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gansohello15:01
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bswartz#agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings15:02
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bswartz#topic midcycle meetup15:02
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bswartzafter 2 weeks of voting I closed the poll15:03
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bswartzthere was an offer to host the meetup in Roseville CA (thanks markstur!)15:03
xyang2markstur: no direct flight to there:(15:04
bswartzand there was an offer to hose the meeting in the Principality of Sealand (some joker I guess)15:04
bswartzhost*15:04
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dustinsI wish I could say I did that, but it was someone more clever :)15:04
markstur_xyang2, no direct flights to Sealand either15:05
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u_glide1lol15:05
xyang2markstur_: that's true:)15:05
bswartzHow many people would prefer Roseville to RTP, assuming you would travel?15:05
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tbarronhi15:06
bswartzhistorically we've been nearly all virtual, and it would be nice to get a more face to face meetup going15:06
dustinsbswartz: +115:06
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bswartzokay I'm not hearing any votes for Roseville15:07
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bswartzassuming we can get people interested in meeting face to face, we will work on locations again next time15:07
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bswartzI think this time it will be mostly virtual again15:07
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bswartzso the next important issue is the date15:08
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bswartzthe polling showed a clear preference for 2 weeks before Cinder, followed by 1 week before cinder, and people did not like the 1 week after cinder option15:08
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* bswartz wishes he had an easy way to share the survey data15:08
bswartzso I think Jan 12-14 will be the date range (although we'll pick only 2 days, not 3)15:09
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bswartzis there anyone who absolutely can't attend those dates?15:10
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bswartzthat's 6 weeks from now btw15:10
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bswartzokay with no objections we will plan on Jan 12-14 for the midcycle15:11
bswartzI will do an ML announcement and we will work on the agenda and the exact times in later meetings15:11
dustinsbswartz: What's the venue going to be?15:12
bswartzanything else about the midcycle?15:12
bswartzdustins: NetApp is willing to host in RTP15:12
bswartzdustins: so I will need to get a list of people who will travel or already live close (like you)15:13
dustinsbswartz: Cool, that's very kind of them :)15:13
bswartzI'll put that info in the ML post15:13
bswartzI expect most people will be virtual as they have in the past15:14
bswartz#topic Add "data loss" flag in DB migrations15:14
*** openstack changes topic to "Add "data loss" flag in DB migrations (Meeting topic: manila)"15:14
bswartzu_glide: you're up15:14
u_glide1thanks15:14
u_glide1We have a bunch of DB migrations which can lead to data loss (example #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245126/10/manila/db/migrations/alembic/versions/344c1ac4747f_remove_access_rules_status.py). I think we should somehow mark this migrations to simplify upgrading process.15:14
u_glide1Also, If we want to (someday) implement versioned objects in Manila we also should mark migrations which couldn't be applied on live cloud. But this is another story :)15:15
bswartza bunch of them?15:15
bswartzisn't it just 1 in this new feature?15:15
xyang2u_glide1: there's work in cinder on this15:15
xyang2u_glide1: we can only migrate in multiple releases in some cases15:16
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xyang2https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245976/15:16
u_glide1bswartz: no, we have at least 3 existing migrations with possible data loss15:16
u_glide1but in downgrade methods15:17
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bswartzthe online schema update will be important later -- I think we can wait to look into that until more time is spent on versioned objects however15:17
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bswartzoh15:18
bswartzwell I can understand downgrades being destructive, since upgrades commonly add new columns15:18
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xyang2oh, I forgot we don't have versioned objects in manila yet15:18
bswartzxyang2: yes we want them but it's a ton a work15:18
xyang2yes15:19
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bswartzu_glide1: any upgrades destructive other than the one you propose?15:19
u_glide1bswartz: I didn't check it, but looks like it's the first one15:20
bswartzand btw, I'm completely okay with the proposed upgrade -- the only thing lost would be a status column which doesn't have a ton of value15:20
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bswartzhowever for safety, and for future use, I'm also okay with a flag that must be specified for destructive migrations15:21
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bswartzalthough we should probably call them something less scary, or provide some help text to help the admin understand what will be lost15:22
u_glide1yes, it makes sense :)15:22
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bswartzfor example, if db sync is called without --force, an error message should be printed that explains --force is needed and what exactly it will do15:23
bswartzand any scripts that currently do unattended db syncs need to be updated to specify --force15:23
bswartzanyone disagree or want a different name for this?15:24
cknightWill it be possible to detect that in 'db sync', even if the data loss is several migration steps away from the current one?15:24
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bswartzcknight: I'm imagining it would sync as far as it could and stop at the lossy step if there was no --force15:25
u_glide1this check will be performed *before* actual upgrades15:25
bswartzperhaps that's not the best behavior15:25
ameadeso what do i do if i want to upgrade without dataloss?15:25
cknightbswartz: +1  It would be better to check all the steps and warn before doing any of them.15:25
gansobswartz: +115:26
bswartzu_glide1: do you propose not doing any changes without --force if there is a lossy step that needs to be performed?15:26
u_glide1bswartz: yes, I do15:26
bswartzameade: the point of this is that it's not possible (or desirable)15:26
ameadebswartz: so the whole point of this is just an extra warning?15:26
bswartzameade: admins who worry about that kind of thing take DB backups before upgrading anyways15:26
ameadecan't do that in a live upgrade though15:27
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bswartzameade: many projects don't allow downgrades at all, and rely on a DB backup for their "downgrade"15:27
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ameadethat's basically the position i hear us making right now15:28
dustinsbswartz: or at least they *should* take a backup15:28
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bswartzno I think we're proposing that we will allow you to downgrade to reverse the lossy step, but if you upgrade and downgrade your database might be in a different state than it was15:29
bswartzdowngrades are not intended to be used in production -- they're for testing mostly15:29
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u_glide1ameade: whith this extra warnings admin will know possible issues *before* migration, not in the middle15:30
bswartzbut they're a valuable testing tool which is why we don't remove them15:30
ameadebswartz: whats an example of it's value in testing?15:30
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bswartzameade: to be able to put an already-populated DB into a downgraded state so you can test your upgrades on actual data15:31
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bswartzthe alternative is forcing developers to keep backups of their DB at every possible upgrade step15:32
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ameadewell another alternative is to start in the downgraded state, get real data, then upgrade15:33
bswartzameade: yes but if the data you need to "get" is something that won't be added until an intermediate upgrade step, then the "get data" step might have to be run multiple times15:34
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bswartzameade: the question of what production deployments do with live upgrade is more interesting15:34
bswartzthe best practice is to take a backup in case the upgrade goes pear shaped15:34
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bswartzhowever recovering a backup is an obviously lossy step15:35
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bswartzsince we don't to live upgrades (yet) that's not a problem we face though15:35
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bswartzif you do an offline upgrade, then recovering from a backup is lossless15:36
ameademhm, i think if we want live upgrades we need to worry about these things now15:36
bswartzI think we should move on though15:36
ameadeso we dont have crazy iterative design15:36
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bswartzameade: live upgrades won't apply to older upgrade steps -- only to steps we add after we have versioned objects15:37
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ameadeso we solve it one way for now and another way later?15:37
bswartzso even once we have versioned objects to support live upgrades, users will have to do 1 last offline upgrade15:37
bswartzI don't think this issue will change15:38
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bswartzeven if we had versioned objects and live upgrade support, we could still make decisions to alter the schema to drop data we deem useless or obsolete15:39
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ameadei think this is such a minor thing, if we want deployers to be careful we could just always warn that db migrations may much up your db15:40
ameademuck*15:40
bswartzameade: I want to hear more about what you think the problem here is, but I also want to get to the rest of our topics15:40
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ameadei just dont think it's a big problem15:40
ameadebut yeah lets carry on15:41
bswartz#topic Reorganization of Manila scheduler15:41
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cknightIn case you didn't know, the oslo incubator (from which Manila & Cinder get some of their scheduler code) is going away.15:41
cknightSo we have to own the code we got from there (which is already in the Manila tree) and also copy the unit tests over from oslo.15:41
bswartzwe merged a patch from cknight which moved around a lot of scheduler code15:41
cknightI already knew the organization of the scheduler code & unit tests left a lot to be desired, and it made grafting in the oslo tests more complicated.15:41
cknightSo I cleaned it all up.  That work merged yesterday, and it shouldn't break anyone (except other scheduler patches in flight).15:41
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cknightCinder has the same issues in their scheduler and would benefit from the same cleanup.  I don't know if they would agree.15:42
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cknightWithout oslo incubator, the scheduler code we shared with Cinder is guaranteed to diverge over time.15:42
cknightSo the question for us is whether to pursue a scheduler code sharing arrangement with Cinder in the form of a library.  I'm less optimistic they would be receptive to that, but we might as well consider the question as the Manila community.15:42
cknightThoughts?15:42
cknighthttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/252060/15:42
xyang2cknight: do you know why oslo does not want to maintain this any more15:43
vponomaryovcknight: ask Cinder community first15:43
bswartzmy personal feeling is that we should not propose anything to cinder that we're not happy with ourselves15:43
vponomaryovcknight: do they want to share it with Manila via lib or not15:43
cknightxyang2: I don't know the whole story, but there were numerous small bits of code with no owners.15:43
cknightxyang2: The scheduler bits were in that category.15:43
xyang2cknight: I would think nova needs it too15:43
bswartzmerging the above patch was step 1 towards making us happy with the scheduler15:43
cknightvponomaryov: agreed, I wouldn't do anything unless there was interest from all sides15:44
xyang2sharing is good, but the problem is where it should reside15:44
tbarronhave you considered taking the question to the cross-projects team?15:44
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bswartzI'm not sure if there's enough shared code to warrant a whole library -- that's one reason it never go out of oslo-incubator15:44
cknightxyang2: the oslo team's position is that those things belong in a shared library, and now the library must be the first step, which seems more of a barrier to entry.15:45
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bswartzbut if there is interest in a (very small) scheduling library, then we could absolutely pursue it15:45
xyang2os-brick is a sub project under cinder that is shared between cinder and nova15:45
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xyang2so even if it is a library, it should still be under some project15:45
xyang2otherwise, who owns it15:45
bswartzxyang2: os-brick is quite a bit larger than the schedule code we pulled from oslo-incubator I think15:45
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dims_xyang2 : exactly, one of the projects can initiate the library and add others needed as cores15:46
csabaxyang2: so cinder is a dep of nova?15:46
bswartzxyang2: the question of ownership is likely to make it more difficult to get cinder and manila to agree15:46
xyang2csaba: no15:46
cknightxyang2: would you like to ask the Cinder team about their interest in sharing a scheduler library?15:46
xyang2csaba: nova just uses os-brick as a lib15:46
ameadexyang2:  +1 someone has to own it15:46
xyang2cknight: sure15:46
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cknightxyang2: ok, thanks.  I'm content to leave it there for now, then.15:47
xyang2dims_: you mean make it a standalone lib outside of cinder and manila?15:47
dims_xyang2, cknight : process to setup a library is no onerous15:47
dims_s/no/not/15:47
dims_sure15:47
dims_http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html15:47
xyang2dims_: thanks15:48
cknightOK, let's let xyang2 determine interest on the Cinder side and go from there.15:48
bswartzdims_: it may not be technically onerous, but politically its more effort to get everyone on board15:48
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cknightThe benefit for them would be better code organization and modularity.15:48
dims_bswartz :) true15:48
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xyang2I think nova may need to be involved as well15:48
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bswartzxyang2: I don't think the nova scheduler shared much (or anything) with the cinder scheduler15:49
bswartzI thought they diverged considerably after the fork15:49
xyang2bswartz: we are reading nova scheduler doc for cinder:)15:49
bswartzoh well perhaps I'm wrong15:49
cknightbswartz: should be simple to check15:50
bswartzyeah15:50
bswartzcknight: thanks for raising awareness about this15:50
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bswartzwe have one more topic15:50
bswartz#topic CI reliability15:50
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tbarronxyang2: that's why I was thinking cross-project, if three projects are involved, if only two, then not.15:50
cknightSo last night I was reviewing several of the Gluster patches, when I realized that none had passed their own CI tests.15:50
cknightBen & I have discussed how to encourage vendors to keep their CI working all the time, instead of fixing it near a release to keep from being thrown out.15:51
xyang2tbarron: sure15:51
cknightI think the answer is to politely refuse to merge a driver patch if the CI for that driver has not succeeded for the patch.15:51
bswartzcsaba, rraja: what's with the glusterfs CI?15:51
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cknightCI == *continuous* integration, and it only has value if we use it to gate patches, no different from how Jenkins gates core patches.15:51
bswartzI've also noticed that it fails all the time recently15:51
cknightI'm not picking on the Gluster guys, but I think we do everyone - including driver teams - a disservice by merging patches without passing CI reports.15:51
xyang2we are doing that in cinder.  makes sense to check CI in manila as well15:52
cknightSo I'm proposing we not merge driver patches unless CI is good from that driver's CI run.15:52
csabacknight, bswartz : your concern is fully agreed... we planned to clean it up and fix the CI just that was delayed due to some urgent stuff15:52
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csabawe'll fix it for next week15:52
cknightAny dissent from reviewers?15:52
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cknightIt's trivial to check the CI result before clicking +1 or +2.15:53
dustinsWhat do we define as having a good CI? A week of good results?15:53
bswartzso in additiona to glusterfs, I see a lot of red in the CI history from: Huawei, Microsoft,  and Oracle15:53
cknightdustins: It's success for the specific patch to be merged.15:53
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cknightdustins: Otherwise we have no idea if the driver change is good.15:54
gouthamrcknight: +1, makes sense to check.15:54
bswartzdustins: I think the proposal is that your patch needs to pass your own CI15:54
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cknightbswartz: +1 Exactly.  Otherwise vendor CI doesn't offer much value.15:54
dustinscknight: Makes sense to me, and it's a simple guideline to remember15:54
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bswartzwe wouldn't merge any glusterfs patch that didn't pass glusterfs CI, for example15:54
vponomaryovbswartz, cknight: what about latency in reporting?15:54
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vponomaryovbswartz, cknight: some CIs report ina  week15:54
cknightvponomaryov: That would be a problem.  Waiting for Jenkins +1 is OK, but a week is not.15:55
bswartzvponomaryov: vendors typically have ways to manipulate their CI queues, or force their system to check a specific patch15:55
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cknightvponomaryov: But the patch author would then be more likely to be stuck in a rebase loop, so there is incentive to run CI faster.15:55
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bswartzif Oracle's CI system is slow (to pick on someone else) and Oracle wanted to upgrade their driver, then they should make their CI system test their own patch and post the results as fast as it's able to15:56
vponomaryovbswartz, cknight: do we want to set threshold for latency too?15:56
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bswartzthere are other questions about CI quality and latency we should discuss15:56
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bswartzI think cknight is trying to raise the bar very slightly here and it sounds reasonable to me15:57
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cknightbswartz: +1.  Let's walk before we run.15:57
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dustinsbswartz: +115:57
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markstur_ +115:57
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ganso+115:57
bswartzokay15:58
cknightSound like agreement.  Thanks, everyone!15:58
bswartz#agreed core reviewers should not +2 driver patches that don't receive a +1 from the CI system that tests that driver15:58
bswartz#topic open discussion15:59
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bswartz1 minute left....15:59
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bswartzokay it sounds like we wrapped up everything15:59
bswartzoh wait...16:00
bswartzMitaka-1 is today!16:00
bswartzI'm working on cutting the release -- working through some new release processes that's making it take longer than it used to16:00
bswartzso look for the milestone to be cut this afternoon16:00
bswartzokay thanks all16:00
bswartz#endmeeting16:00
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mihgen\o16:01
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xarses#startmeeting fuel16:01
xarses#chair xarses16:01
xarsesTodays Agenda:16:01
xarses#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda16:01
xarsesWho's here?16:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Dec  3 16:01:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'fuel'16:01
openstackCurrent chairs: xarses16:01
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ikalnitsky\o/16:01
akislitsky_hi16:01
fzhadaevHi!16:01
dbilunovhi16:01
igorbelikovo/16:01
ashtokolovhi16:01
maximov_hi16:01
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xarses#topic Action items from last meeting16:02
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xarsesholser to report concerns with ubuntu bootstrap design on openstack-dev ML16:02
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xarsesvkramskikh to include mihgen in conversation about testing external plugin dashboard links16:03
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vkramskikhxarses: done16:03
mihgenincluded, vkramskikh did it go further?16:03
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holser_hi16:03
vkramskikhmihgen: yep, we're fine16:03
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mihgencool. xarses can you go back for holser_'s action?16:04
dpyzhovhi16:04
xarses(action from last week) holser_ to report concerns with ubuntu bootstrap design on openstack-dev ML16:04
holser_I have investigated the status16:04
holser_the problem is pluggability16:04
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holser_though we all agreed to create a blueprint and run in 9.016:05
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xarsesok, letms make sure we don't miss that16:05
holser_in 8.0 there will be instruction how to inject drivers to bootstrap16:05
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dklenovholser_: I still disagree with that problem16:05
xarsesis it already created?16:05
holser_not yet ...16:06
xarsesis there a bug for the docs?16:06
mihgenholser_: openstack-dev email pls16:06
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xarses#action holser to follow up creating bp for plugging ubuntu bootstrap16:06
xarses#action holser to follow up creating bug for injecting drivers into boostrap for 8.016:06
xarsesok, moving16:07
xarseskozhukalov review stuck fuel-main patches, delegate to skulanov as needed16:07
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bgaifullinhi all16:08
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xarsesok, moving; bgaifullin go over reviews in fuel-mirror, close obsolete ones and make sure all related bugs are addressed in new implementation16:08
ashtokolovFuel-mirror was merged and I’ve reviewed all bugs, so Done (both points)16:08
xarsesthanks ashtokolov16:09
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xarseswarpc help with getting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231433/ merged16:09
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xarsesits still open, so if we can get more eyes on that. that would be great16:10
xarsesikalnitsky review refactor-cinder-vmware-role spec https://review.openstack.org/23035016:10
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gomariveraJOIN #openstack-meeting-416:10
gomariveraJOIN #fuel16:10
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ikalnitskydone, since it's merged16:10
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xarses=)16:10
xarsesikalnitsky review stuck fuel-web CRs, delegate to maintainers where necessary16:11
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ikalnitskyi poked guys to review16:11
warpcxares: looks good. What about mihgen question?16:11
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ikalnitskyhonestly, i can't say it really stucks. we did have a more worst situations in recent releases16:11
ikalnitskyi also sent an email to openstack-dev with python gerrit dashboard16:12
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ikalnitsky#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080774.html16:12
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ikalnitskyi think it should help to take care16:12
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xarsesok, lets keep on it. If you can come up with ways to improve the situation, that would be great16:12
ikalnitskywe need more cores.. and more reviewers.16:13
xarseswarpc: I missed mihgen's question16:13
ikalnitskyi'm going to work on it16:13
xarsesikalnitsky: do we have more ready to join core?16:13
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xarsesok, moving16:14
mihgen#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231433/1/specs/fuel-nailgun-agent.spec16:14
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mihgenquestion here perhaps about pkg naming16:14
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mihgenlet's just provide feedback in the review request16:15
xarsesmihgen: yes why does it have that anyway16:15
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xarsesits always the right version16:15
ikalnitsky+1 on removing suffix.16:16
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xarsesit doesn't need ~fuel anyway16:16
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mihgenin the changeset folks16:16
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xarsesok, moving16:17
mihgenxarses: moving .. /16:17
xarsesholser ikalnitsky review stuck specs, ping angdraug for merge when done16:17
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holser_ok xarses16:18
ikalnitskyi think there's no specs got 8.016:18
holser_all unmerged spec should go to 9.016:18
ikalnitskyholser_: +116:18
ikalnitskywe need to ping authors16:18
xarsesholser_: if they already landed though, we need to close them out16:19
holser_yep :(16:19
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xarseskeep in mind, angdraug will be out for a 1-2 weeks so we need to reach agreement with out him16:19
xarseslast one16:20
xarsesnurla follow up on http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/080477.html16:20
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nurlaokay, do you have any comments for me?16:20
xarsesI don't, just keep up on it. I'm curious to see how this ends up16:22
xarsesok, for the main attraction...16:22
xarses#topic 8.0 Feature Freeze http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081149.html (angdraug)16:22
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xarsesangdraug is out, so I'll pipe up here16:22
xarseswe are now in FF, if you don't yet have a FF you are blocked until we branch16:23
xarseswe are planning on branching on SCF (~Dec 23) at which time, master will be open for features again16:23
mihgendon't have a FF exception*16:23
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xarsesmihgen: yes, correct. If you don't already have a FF exception, you are blocked until we branch16:24
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xarsesany questions?16:25
maximov_also we freeze all repos for today16:25
maximov_according to our centos7 integration plan16:25
xarsesmaximov_: for centos7? ya16:25
mihgentoday only or tomorrow too?16:25
ikalnitskymaximov_: for today only? i thought it until it's merged16:25
maximov_today evening we will assess the progress16:25
maximov_and will extend to tomorrow16:25
mihgen#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081230.html16:26
mihgenlet's use this thread as a source of truth and watch for updates16:26
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mihgentime folks, let's go quicker16:27
xarses#topic Moving Fuel services out of Docker containers (kozhukalov)16:27
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xarsesmoving on then16:29
xarses#topic Mixed team status (sslypushenko)16:29
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sslypushenko_Development on BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/openstack-config-change finished and all patchsets merged.16:29
sslypushenko_Manual testing in progress. Some bugs found and fixing is in progress16:29
mihgenthis is great, could you update status of this bp then.. ?16:30
sslypushenko_ok, will do16:30
mihgenit's in my list to ask for status update anyway. We want clear pic on what is in and what is out for 8.016:30
mihgenthx16:30
sslypushenko_also automation tests is in progress to16:31
sslypushenko_I think that is all from my side16:31
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mihgenif qa is not blocked, then we are good.16:31
sslypushenko_We are working on it)16:31
xarsessslypushenko_: thanks, this will become very useful16:31
xarses#topic Telco Team Status (fzhadaev)16:32
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fzhadaevFuel Telco team is finnishing work on Ubuntu bootstrap feature. Current status:16:32
fzhadaev1) All functional commites are merged.16:32
fzhadaev2) Writing automatic tests is in progress.16:32
fzhadaev3) We'll switch to Ubuntu bootstrap by default after tests will be done.16:32
xarsesfzhadaev: fantastic, thanks16:32
mihgenduring meeting yesterday, two commits were mentioned16:32
mihgenas those need exception for enabling it16:33
fzhadaevmihgen: they are merged16:33
mihgenboth merged, appears to be those are not for enabling ubuntu by default?16:33
mihgenin my email: Ubuntu boostrap. Two patches requested for FFE: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250504/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251873/. Both are merged. So I consider that this is actually done.16:33
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mihgenso then it is not a correct statement. Why didn't you folllow up in the email thread.. ?16:34
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fzhadaevyep. feature is done. switching the default os isn't part of feature.16:34
fzhadaevit's just UX improvement16:34
mihgenIt IS part of the feature16:34
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mihgenif it's not tested now automatically16:34
mihgenand by all who download and manually test ISO16:34
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mihgenthat means we losing cycles of finding potential issues there16:35
mihgenmore over, it means that code is not complete if you can't just easily switch now16:35
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dklenovok, let me comment16:35
mihgenwhat is left to be done to switch it to be default one?16:35
dklenovin the initial plan automatic tests are scheduled to be completed in the upcoming iteration16:36
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dklenovand we do not want to switch it by default unless it is run agaist these tests16:36
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dklenovswitch is a small commit in a fuelmenu16:37
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xarsesso, then the feature is out for 8.0, it needs to be moved to experimental16:37
dklenovand I see more risk to switch to it without tests16:37
mihgenI don't really get why it won't be tested if we switch to it by default?16:37
fzhadaevBTW, Ubuntu is available in Fuel menu now. User can chose it as bootstrap os. It's just not default OS.16:37
dklenovgenerally if needed we can switch to it even now16:37
mihgenin all swarm & bvt16:37
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ntrueblooddo we have documentation that explains how to build dynamic, ubuntu bootstrap if custom drivers are needed?16:38
dklenovntrueblood: doc will be completed in January16:38
dklenovmihgen: we can generally switch even now by default to ubuntu16:39
mihgendklenov: unless it runs by default starting from now, I feel there is a large risk of releasing it as a production solution later16:39
mihgenwe need community, and other to start actually using it16:39
dklenovok, I would involve QA folks as well16:39
mihgenand file bugs. Delaying a moment of running it by default means way less testing16:39
mihgendklenov: please follow up in my email about FF exceptions with detailed data and plan16:40
xarses#topic Enhancements Team Status (ashtokolov)16:40
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ashtokolovYesterday we finished feature development (except one FFE16:40
ashtokolovEnhancements Team status:  Fix committed+Fix released = 5116:40
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xarses#action dklenov will follow up with with details on enabling ubuntu bootstrap on FFE thready16:41
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holser_ashtokolov one multi rack feature went out of scope of 8.016:42
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holser_ashtokolov it was moved to 9.016:42
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ashtokolovsorry, I had troubles with irc client16:43
mihgenholser_: which one?16:43
holser_adidenko knows better16:43
akasatkinit is manual VIP address seting16:44
mihgenok16:44
akasatkinsetting*16:44
ashtokolovit's about ATT task with VIP allocation16:44
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ashtokolovwe faced with DB changes16:44
alex_didenkoThe following BPs have been moved out of multirack scope and assigned to 9.016:44
alex_didenkohttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/allow-any-vip16:44
alex_didenkohttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/dhcp-vips16:44
alex_didenkohttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/selective-default-gateway-net16:44
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xarsesok16:44
ntruebloodwe also have not quite finished creating a document that describes how to set up controllers in HA across multiple racks.16:44
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ntruebloodmultiple l3 segmented racks, that is.16:45
ashtokolovand there was no way to fix it without DB changes16:45
xarsesntrueblood: do we have the docs defect captured somewhere?16:45
mihgenalex_didenko: is it in your todo list for HA across multiple racks docs.. ?16:45
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xarses#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1476140 ?16:46
openstackLaunchpad bug 1476140 in Fuel for OpenStack "Nodegroup instructions improvement" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Fuel Documentation Team (fuel-docs)16:46
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ntruebloodWe have a JIRA backlog item for it, but we probably also need an lp bp.   Not sure of status16:46
alex_didenkomihgen: yes16:46
xarseslets keep going, we have 14 min16:46
xarses#topic UI Team status (vkramskikh).16:47
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vkramskikhHi, we've merged all the features we planned to deliver without FFEs and switching to bugfixing and helping partners team to deliver Component registry. We have 7 High bugs and plan do fix them before SCF. Any questions?16:47
alex_didenkomihgen: I'll update maybe on the next meeting about it16:47
mihgenalex_didenko: cool, thx16:47
mihgenvkramskikh: sounds good. thanks for keeping an eye on component registry FFE16:47
xarsesvkramskikh: great =)16:48
xarses#topic Bugs team status (dpyzhov) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-bugs-status16:48
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dpyzhovhi guys16:48
dpyzhovI've update bugs statistics16:48
dpyzhovRight now my team is focused on several high priority tricky bugs16:49
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dpyzhovWe don't have many of them16:49
dpyzhovand almost all of them are assigned16:49
xarsesanything that we should discuss?16:49
mihgendpyzhov: do you see an increasing # of incoming?16:49
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dpyzhovmihgen: not yet16:49
dpyzhovActually I have a question16:49
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dpyzhovAre we going to have more developers moved to bugfixing now?16:50
mihgenqa is not at full speed then. Let's sync and help if needed, they might be blocked16:50
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dpyzhovWe have a bunch of medium priority bugs16:50
mattymo_One bug that is really impacting our ability to fix bugs is tracebacks in syslog in oslo.logging16:50
mattymo_It was rejected as invalid by mos oslo team (dims) as a feature, not a bug16:50
mihgenI expect all teams which were working on features to do bugfixes in their features implmeneted16:50
mattymo_we have to reproduce the original problem in order to get the local trace that gets sent directly to file16:51
dpyzhovAnd if we'll have more people than we'll need to think how to organize them all effectively16:51
xarsesmattymo: if not already, lets start a ML about that16:51
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mihgenmattymo: this would be great feedback to oslo team from operators, i.e. you, let's share in ML16:51
dpyzhovmihgen: and what will happen when they fix their bugs?16:51
mihgenwork on other features16:51
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mattymo_xarses, sure. I've found another fun bug where some cinder errors don't log traceback to either)16:52
mihgenmaster opens on SCF16:52
mattymo_mihgen, I'll start a thread on it16:52
mihgencool16:52
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dpyzhovSo noone is going to join the bugs backlog cleanup party16:52
dpyzhovthat's ok16:52
dpyzhovthanks16:52
dpyzhovI have no more questions16:52
xarses#topic Let's clarify 8.0 blueprints statuses (mihgen)16:52
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mihgenfolks let's go over some of bps, but I really need your help to go over them and just set rigth status or move out of 8.016:53
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mihgen#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/8.0-features-status16:53
xarses#action mattymo will create ML to discuss issues with oslo.logging not sending some tracebacks on syslog16:53
yottatsaI need reviewers for Tenant IPv6 Docs and Tests spec https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/provider-tenant-ipv6-networking16:53
mihgenthis is the list16:53
yottatsa#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/provider-tenant-ipv6-networking16:53
mihgennurla: can you find someone to help with tests spec for ^^ ..?16:54
dims_mattymo_ : needs to be fixed upstream first https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.log/+bug/151482816:54
openstackLaunchpad bug 1514828 in oslo.log "tracebacks are not logged to syslog" [Low,Triaged]16:54
nurlayep, we agreed with Alekesey that we are staring work after FF16:54
mihgendims_: I doubt if it's Low if it makes life of ops very painful16:54
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yottatsamihgen nurla: ashtokolov said we're staring doing QA on next week, QA engineer is alerady allocated16:54
mihgenyottatsa: ping me offline for docs16:55
mihgenother bps: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/support-ip-ranges-for-storage-management-networks-on-ui16:55
dims_mihgen : welcome to bump up that importance :)16:55
mihgenvkramskikh: ^^16:55
nurlayottatsa: after FF :)16:55
yottatsanurla yes, on I-416:55
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mihgen#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/network-interfaces-naming-schema16:55
mihgenholser_: do you status of this one ^^16:56
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mihgenalex_didenko: can we move https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/l3-multiple-racks to implemented? what deployment status means?16:56
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alex_didenkomihgen: we have some QA BPs linked to this BP16:57
alex_didenkoand they are still in development16:57
mihgenbgaifullin: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/refactor-local-mirror-scripts can this one be closed as Implemented.. ?16:57
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xarses3 min16:58
xarseswell 216:58
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mihgenalex_didenko: we need to think about how to do it in this case then. when I open https://launchpad.net/fuel/+milestone/8.0, I'd like to understand what is in and what is out..16:58
alex_didenkoactually, I've closed mine as implemented, we'll track system tests separately16:58
mihgenmay be deployment status is ok and we push all other out16:58
bgaifullinmihgen, I think yes16:58
mihgenvkramskikh: holser_ reply on those two first bps... ?16:58
mihgenbgaifullin: cool,pls update16:59
mihgen#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/plugin-after-deployment16:59
mihgenikalnitsky: ^^16:59
mihgenashtokolov: ^^16:59
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ashtokolovDine16:59
ashtokolovDone16:59
ikalnitskyit's done16:59
ikalnitskyall patches are merged16:59
mihgenpls update bp then17:00
xarsestime folks, lets wrap on #fuel-dev17:00
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xarses#endmeeting17:00
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-12-03-16.01.html17:00
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openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-12-03-16.01.txt17:00
mihgenthat's it from my short list17:00
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openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2015/fuel.2015-12-03-16.01.log.html17:00
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mihgenbut long one still needs other to look into17:00
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tmcpeak#startmeeting security17:00
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hyakuhei#startmeeting Security17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
tmcpeak#chair hyakuhei17:00
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openstackCurrent chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak17:00
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openstackhyakuhei: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.  Use #endmeeting first.17:01
hyakuheiheh17:01
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hyakuheiThanks tmcpeak17:01
tmcpeak:P17:01
nkinderHi all17:01
tmcpeaktake it away sir17:01
ysmo/17:01
tmcpeakhey nkinder17:01
nkinderfyi - I'm only half here (in another meeting)17:01
hyakuheihey nkinder !17:01
tmcpeakfair enough17:01
brownehi17:01
nkinderPush OSSN stuff to the end please17:01
tmcpeakcool17:01
hyakuheirighto!17:01
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hyakuheiOkiedokie I guess we can get started17:02
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hyakuhei#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20151203-agenda17:02
hyakuheiAgenda ^17:02
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tmcpeaknice17:02
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tmcpeakI like this etherpad approach17:02
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hyakuheiNormally I like to share them earlier17:03
hyakuheibumped OSSN to the bottom of the list17:03
hyakuheiAs per nkinder :)17:03
hyakuheiHmmm, no redrobot here.17:03
hyakuheiok, so I also knocked this together17:03
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tmcpeakno michaelxin either17:03
hyakuhei#topic Publicity17:03
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hyakuhei#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-raising-profile17:03
hyakuheiEtherpad for ideas on how to raise awareness as well as tracking which teams we’ve spammed :)17:04
michaelxinhere17:04
tmcpeakoh nice17:04
michaelxinsorry that I am late17:04
michaelxinhalf here too.17:04
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hyakuheiGeneral idea is that you look through, pick a few in your timezone and drop in on their meetings, add something to the teams agenda if you can17:04
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hyakuheiThe boilerplate part is there for us to work on some messaging, make it easier to be consistent in meetings17:05
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tmcpeakcool, shall we prioritize in some way?17:05
michaelxinthat's a huge list17:05
tmcpeak+1 - huge list17:05
hyakuheiThat’s almost every team17:05
hyakuheiI’m happy to cut17:05
michaelxinwe need some security champs17:05
michaelxin+1 for prioritizing17:06
hyakuheimichaelxin: While I agree, for the most part we need champs to come to us17:06
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hyakuheiThat is to say, people like bknudson who work on another project but also want to dip into security17:06
tmcpeak+1 - too many groups for us to be involved with each17:06
tmcpeakseems easier and more effective to get people interested in security within a project17:07
sicariehyakuhei: I was noticing this week that the neutron api folk put out a request to -dev for liaisons17:07
hyakuheiI think the best we can do is increase our visbility and accessibility - if we build it, they <might> come17:07
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bknudsonthe bandit work should help17:07
hyakuheisicarie: We’ve tried that (years ago) - lets see if they get traction with that.17:07
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tmcpeakbknudson: agreed17:07
bknudsonmaybe we need to make it clearer that bandit is an ossg project?17:07
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hyakuheibknudson: I’d like to bask in the Bandit glory :D17:08
tmcpeakhehe17:08
tmcpeakI assume we'll be needing a big push again once we get the baseline gate working17:08
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tmcpeakat that point I'd imagine most projects should be ready to do at least a non-voting gate to start17:09
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tmcpeakso how should we go forward on this?17:09
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michaelxinwe can brainstorm for some ideas17:09
tmcpeakmaybe get a few of us interested17:09
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michaelxinit might be a good topic for mid-cycle17:09
tmcpeakthen each sign up for 2 meetings to start?17:09
hyakuheiWell, start with some more boilerplate on that etherpad. It’d be good if everyone just picked a couple of meetings.17:10
tmcpeak1) drop something on the meeting agenda, 2) introduce ourselves and our mission, 3) ask if anybody is interested in security?17:10
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hyakuheiPrioritising is great but to start with just picking those meetings that fit most easily with your schedule is fine17:10
hyakuheitmcpeak: Pretty much17:10
tmcpeakok, I'll pick a couple now17:10
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hyakuheiIt would be ncie to have the Boilerplate really become more of an FAQ.17:10
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michaelxinI will sign up two17:11
tmcpeakok I'll take OSLO and Heat to begin17:12
hyakuheiGreat, put your name by them17:12
tmcpeakgood work hyakuhei17:12
michaelxin+117:12
hyakuheiand then just strike them out (line through) when done?17:12
tmcpeakwill do17:13
hyakuheiI’ll prune the list a little later, groking the meeting info has resulted in entries for _everything_17:13
bknudsonwe should make sure that people are clear that ossg isn't keystone17:13
tmcpeakhehe17:13
tmcpeakwut?17:13
bknudsonsince I would think most people think that keystone handles security for their project17:13
tmcpeakoh.. like that17:13
bknudsonmost developers17:13
tmcpeakwell then we've got some work to do17:13
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michaelxinbknudson: Thanks for letting us know17:14
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hyakuheiAbsolutely, that’s why I figured having some boilerplate text might be useful17:14
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hyakuheiI’ll also push to have a security-project presentation at each of the summits moving forward.17:15
tmcpeakyeah true17:15
tmcpeakhow should we approach that?17:15
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tmcpeakwe can point to the deck too17:15
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hyakuheitbh, I’m not sure it’s that important, not many devs go to the conference talks.17:15
hyakuheiBut yeah, we need to think of other things to raise profile too17:16
michaelxinWe tried one for Tokyo17:16
tmcpeakI just mean we can pull the boiler plate from the deck17:16
michaelxinonly two showed up17:16
bknudsonI think the best way to raise the profile in other projects is to get involved17:17
michaelxinbknudson: +117:17
bknudsonfor example, push changes to enable bandit17:17
tmcpeakdefinitely - I'm just not sure we have the resources17:17
tmcpeakwe need more bknudson's17:17
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bknudsonwe have to prioritize... maybe it's more important to get bandit in the projects rather than adding new features17:17
hyakuheiI’ll be able to put some more effort from my team into pushing bandit out to other projects.17:17
hyakuheibknudson, possiblilty for parallel tracks17:18
bknudsonIt doesn't hurt to go to the meetings and ask for volunteers17:18
hyakuheiIt’s also possible that integrating with other projects might be more approachable than creating new features17:18
bknudsonsometimes devs are looking for interesting work17:18
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tmcpeakyeah - if we just double down on getting a bandit gate in most of these, then they'll have had a (hopefully good) introduction to the security team17:18
tmcpeakand ideally be more comfortable reaching out for design decisions and the other stuff we do17:18
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bknudsongetting reminders from bandit that they don't know security should help.17:19
hyakuheiDemonstrating value is always a good way to get buy-in17:19
tmcpeakbknudson: :D17:19
hyakuheilol yes that too17:20
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bknudsonhow about an action plan to get a project using bandit with the new baseline feature, write up how it's done, and post a message to the mailing list17:21
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hyakuheiAnything to discuss re: Bandit specifically ?17:21
bknudsonthen when you attend the meeting ask for help with this.17:21
tmcpeakbknudson: that sounds like a great approach17:21
hyakuheiAgree17:21
tmcpeakok cool, tkelsey or I can take that action17:21
tmcpeakI'm guiding one of our internal teams through setting up the baseline gates currently :)17:22
tmcpeakthat should be it for Bandit17:22
hyakuheiI’d be interested in helping out17:23
tmcpeakawesome17:23
tmcpeaklet's shoot for that as the next step then17:23
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hyakuheiThrow it in the etherpad.17:23
tmcpeakshouldn't be too bad, I've already got the requisite jenkins job manager magic17:23
tmcpeakok17:23
hyakuheiThanks tmcpeak !17:23
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tmcpeakcool, np17:24
hyakuheiOk, lets roll on. We don’t have dg_ or tkelsey as they’re at HPE Discover17:25
bknudsonwe don't need baseline for keystone since we've got it deployed17:25
hyakuhei#topic Bandit17:25
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hyakuheiAnything else going on here that you’d like to discuss?17:25
tmcpeakso we have a proposal to fix config17:25
tmcpeakhttps://review.openstack.org/24912817:26
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tmcpeakbasically config has been one of the major pain points17:26
tmcpeakthe file is huge, if you update Bandit a lot of times your old config doesn't work as expected, etc17:26
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tmcpeakso basically the idea is to break it up.  Some stuff can be flat out removed, other stuff will be moved to dedicated profile files, and the config generator will be adapted to build profiles easily17:27
tmcpeakI encourage you all to read it if you haven't yet17:27
bknudsonthe proposal looks like it'll be a nice improvement17:27
brownenice, i missed that spec17:27
bknudsonthe bandit upgrade changes have been difficult to review17:27
tmcpeakbknudson: awesome, was hoping you'd think so17:27
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tmcpeak(our most loyal customer)17:27
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tmcpeakbknudson: upgrade changes?17:28
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bknudsonyes, when we're supporting new versions of bandit17:28
bknudsonand the config file changes17:28
tmcpeakoh yeah..17:28
tmcpeakso this should obviate the need to do that17:28
bknudsonit's difficult for reviewers to know if it's correct or not17:28
tmcpeakbasically what you'll do from a keystone perspective is run "bandit —include 101-150" or something17:29
tmcpeakand then it will just run the right tests17:29
browneyea17:29
tmcpeaksimilar to how PEP8 works17:29
bknudsonno config file?17:29
tmcpeaknope17:29
tmcpeakyou can have a profile file17:29
tmcpeakthat specifies which tests and settings17:29
tmcpeakand if you have that profile it'll work from one version to the next17:29
tmcpeakbc each plugin has defaults values for what it needs built in17:30
bknudsonthat works as long as it doesn't put too many lines in the tox.ini17:30
tmcpeakbknudson: it'll be really small tox.ini17:30
tmcpeakwe'd like to get these done before midcycle but who knows17:31
tmcpeakthat special not working time of the year is rolling on up17:31
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brownetmcpeak: when is  midcycle?17:31
hyakuheispeaking of the midcycle, we don’t have a whole-lot of signups17:31
tmcpeakJan 11-15 I think17:31
hyakuhei#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-mitaka-midcycle17:31
hyakuheiHas Rackspace confirmed the space now?17:32
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michaelxinhyakuhei: yes17:32
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michaelxinWe booked the conferences for both17:32
michaelxinteams17:32
tmcpeakyeah we don't… time to scare up more participants!17:32
hyakuheiWonderful, I thought was the case but thank you for the confirmation.17:32
michaelxinWe also booked some small conference rooms if we want to break into small groups17:32
tmcpeak#topic Midcycle17:33
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hyakuheiPerfect17:33
tmcpeak:)17:33
bknudsonI might be able to get another couple to go. I have to advertise it.17:33
bknudsonI wasn't sure if the dates were confirmed.17:33
bknudson#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints17:34
michaelxinThe dates should be 01/12-01/1517:34
michaelxinTuesday to Friday17:34
tmcpeakso.. who wants to go to midcycle and hasn't signed up?17:34
hyakuheiI’ll add ours now17:34
bknudsonthanks!17:34
brownei want to, but need to confirm with mgmt17:34
michaelxinBarbian team's mid-cycle is from Monday to Wednesday17:35
tmcpeaksigmavirus24: it's in your backyard, you should come17:35
michaelxinSo we have two day overlapped.17:35
sigmavirus24oh?17:35
sigmavirus24where?17:35
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michaelxinIt should give us some time to work together.17:35
sigmavirus24hm17:35
michaelxinsigmavirus24: in the castle17:35
sigmavirus24I will talk to my manager17:36
tmcpeaksweet17:36
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sigmavirus24and approved17:38
tmcpeakhaha damn17:38
tmcpeaknice17:38
michaelxinsigmavirus24: +117:39
tmcpeakallright so, in conclusion - sign up if you haven't and you'd like to come to midcycle17:39
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hyakuhei+117:40
tmcpeakrecruiting?17:40
tmcpeakor nkinder..17:40
hyakuhei#topic Recruiting17:40
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tmcpeaksweet17:40
hyakuheiWhich kind of overlaps with the publicity stuff17:40
tmcpeakI've got a slot at the OpenStack meetup in the bay17:40
hyakuheiExcellent!17:40
tmcpeakJan 21st I think17:40
tmcpeakbrowne said he'll come too17:40
michaelxinccneil delivered a talk for Austin Openstack meetup17:40
tmcpeaknkinder would but he's actually pretty far in the boonies now17:40
tmcpeakmichaelxin: legit!17:41
tmcpeakanything come from it?17:41
nkinderYeah, I'm not sure if I'll be down there at that time17:41
michaelxinA couple of people showed interest in Bandit17:41
tmcpeakand how was it received? I think he's the first17:41
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michaelxinnone is interested in OSSP. :-(17:41
tmcpeakhow many people turned up?17:41
michaelxin30+17:41
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michaelxinVisa gave a talk before our talk.17:42
tmcpeakany feel for demographics?17:42
michaelxinI do not know.17:42
michaelxinI was not there.17:42
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michaelxinWe will host a OWASP San Antonio in two weeks.17:42
michaelxinWe will handle out flyers.17:43
tmcpeaknice!17:43
hyakuheiSuperb!17:43
elmikoo/17:43
michaelxinAnd talk with people about OSSP17:43
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tmcpeakelmiko: you made it afterall :)17:43
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elmikotmcpeak: my talk ended a little early =)17:44
tmcpeakawesome17:44
hyakuheiwelcome elmiko17:44
hyakuheinkinder: you around to talk OSSNs now ?17:44
nkinderSure17:44
hyakuhei#topic OSSN17:44
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nkinderSo there's an embargoed one that I'm working on that's quite close to being opened up17:45
tmcpeakyep, that ones looking good17:45
nkinderThe way the issue is being handled has changed since I drafted the note, so there are some minor changes needed.17:45
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nkinderThere was another issue that was embargoed that tmcpeak and hyakuhei worked on17:46
bknudsonmaybe we can get some other folks to look at the proposals, maybe they have a different opinion17:46
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hyakuheinkinder: Does that need another look?17:46
nkinderI believe the issue is public now, but the note was never proposed as a review17:46
tmcpeakwait, which one is this?17:46
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nkinderhyakuhei: OSSN-0060, which is in the embargoed repo we use17:47
tmcpeakis that the one we distributed through the OSSA channel?17:47
hyakuheiI think so yeah17:47
hyakuheiit never got the final release?17:47
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tmcpeakI thought it did..17:48
nkinderso are we dropping the OSSN?  If so, we should close the OSSN bug for it and free up the OSSN number17:48
tmcpeakno it should just be released as a public OSSN now17:48
nkindertmcpeak: ok, do you want to propose the review since you worked on writing it?17:49
hyakuheiYeah, I think it just goes out as normal17:49
nkinderthen I can review it17:49
hyakuheiI can help with that.17:49
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nkinderok, great.17:49
tmcpeaknkinder: sorry I missed your comments about 006017:49
tmcpeakI don't read gud17:49
nkinderThe queue of OSSNs is looking pretty good17:50
nkinderThere are 3 to be picked up17:50
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nkinderone new one came in last week that should be easy - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/151603117:50
openstackLaunchpad bug 1516031 in Glance "Use of MD5 in OpenStack Glance image signature (CVE-2015-8234)" [Undecided,Triaged]17:50
hyakuheilol - I can knock that out tomorrow morning unless someone else wants it17:50
hyakuheibeen a while since I authored an OSSN17:51
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tmcpeakhmm17:51
nkinderhyakuhei: cool.  I'll try to get to one of the other ones once the embargoed one I'm working is wrapped up.17:51
hyakuheiCool17:51
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tmcpeaklooks like a fun one17:52
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tmcpeakthat's actually a cool bug17:52
tmcpeaksignature = rsa(sha256(md5(disk-image-content)))17:52
tmcpeakThis degrades the security of the system to that of the weakest hash, which is obviously MD5 here.17:52
hyakuhei#action hyakuhei to pick up bug 151603117:52
openstackbug 1516031 in Glance "Use of MD5 in OpenStack Glance image signature (CVE-2015-8234)" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151603117:52
tmcpeaknot super obvious from the code but it's true17:52
nkinderThat's about it on the OSSN side of things.  Anyone interested can pick one of then up. :)17:52
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hyakuheiThanks nkinder17:52
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elmikotmcpeak: a collision on the md5 would ripple up through the sha and rsa?17:53
tmcpeakyou can just brute the md5 and then calculate sha256 of it17:54
elmikoright17:54
nkinderyeah, hash the same input and you get the same output17:54
tmcpeakI'm not sure how the rsa fits in17:54
hyakuhei*sigh*17:54
elmikolol17:54
hyakuheiRighto, Any other business.17:54
hyakuhei#topic Any Other Business17:54
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tristanCoh hi folks, if I may share another list of things to do... This is the list of public OSSA issues (confirmed and incomplete): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossa/+bugs?field.information_type%3Alist=PUBLICSECURITY&orderby=-status&start=017:55
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hyakuheiAre these where you need opinions from us?17:56
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tristanCwell the two first one needs patch17:56
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tristanCthe swift one needs opinion, investigation...17:57
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tristanCand the last one also requires some more investigation17:58
hyakuheiExcellent, anyone want to take actions on these?17:58
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tmcpeakif they haven't been done by next week I should have some time to spend17:58
hyakuheiI’ll try to do some on Monday.17:58
tristanCto be honest, we figured those public ossa issue would be better discussed with OSSP17:59
tmcpeakok cool, Ill put it on my queue for Monday too17:59
tristanCbut times is now running out, so yes if they could get reviewed next time, that would be very helpful17:59
tmcpeakok cool, will do18:00
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tmcpeaktime is up!18:00
hyakuhei#endmeeting18:00
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Dec  3 18:00:28 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)18:00
hyakuheiThanks all!18:00
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-12-03-17.00.html18:00
tmcpeak~o/18:00
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-12-03-17.00.txt18:00
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2015/security.2015-12-03-17.00.log.html18:00
tristanCthanks :)18:00
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tmcpeakhave a good week everyone18:00
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elmikothanks hyakuhei18:01
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