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| n0ano | #startmeeting nova-scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 4 14:00:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| n0ano | anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 14:00 |
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| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
| macsz | yup :) | 14:00 |
| cdent | hello | 14:01 |
| Yingxin | o/ | 14:01 |
| _gryf | \o | 14:01 |
| carl_baldwin | o/ | 14:02 |
| n0ano | multiple new faces, welcome all | 14:02 |
| n0ano | let's get started | 14:02 |
| n0ano | #topic Spec & BPs & Patches - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Spec & BPs & Patches - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:02 | |
| n0ano | I was going over the scheduler priorities and noticed that some of the specs are stike out but still not approved | 14:03 |
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| n0ano | one of which is yours edleafe the configurable tracker, is that on track? | 14:04 |
| edleafe | n0ano: no, that one has been victim of catch-22 | 14:04 |
| edleafe | can't make it configurable until there are more than one in-tree options | 14:05 |
| edleafe | can't add an option in-tree unless it can be used | 14:05 |
| edleafe | :) | 14:05 |
| n0ano | well, that's kind of unfortunate, so we just leave that in limbo or should we officially drop it? | 14:06 |
| edleafe | that's why it's crossed out | 14:06 |
| edleafe | drop it | 14:06 |
| edleafe | it's dead | 14:06 |
| n0ano | OK, sad but so be it, I guess we remember the idea if it's necessary in the future | 14:07 |
| edleafe | the reality is that it *could* be added, but it would need a majority supporting the idea of radical changes to the scheduler | 14:08 |
| edleafe | and that's not going to happen | 14:08 |
| n0ano | edleafe, is this something to discuss at the next summit or do you think it's just not possible now? | 14:08 |
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| edleafe | n0ano: I'd be happy to discuss it with anyone, but the general mood is "asked and answered". | 14:09 |
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| n0ano | hmm, hittin head against a wall is so much fun, oh well | 14:10 |
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| n0ano | OK, the other spec I thought I'd mention is jay's resource providers, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225546/3 | 14:11 |
| n0ano | he updated the spec late last wee and we need reviews on it so just a gentle reminder to review this spec if you have time | 14:11 |
| cdent | That changed a lot in the past week | 14:11 |
| n0ano | cdent, indeed | 14:12 |
| edleafe | I have it in my queue. My very, very long queue... | 14:12 |
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| n0ano | understood, just want to make sure everyone is aware of it. | 14:13 |
| n0ano | those were the ones that popped out to me, any other specs/patches people want to talk about? | 14:14 |
| Yingxin | I've implemented the bp host-state-level-locking | 14:14 |
| cdent | Yingxin++ | 14:14 |
| cdent | some good work in that stuff | 14:15 |
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| Yingxin | there's a lot of changes in merging the claim logic | 14:15 |
| n0ano | Yingxin, do you have a link to that? | 14:15 |
| Yingxin | hoping I'm doing it the right way | 14:15 |
| _gryf | n0ano, from my side, I was just wondering about the status on resource objects that jay is working on, but i assume it's all about the reviews… | 14:15 |
| Yingxin | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/host-state-level-locking | 14:15 |
| n0ano | _gryf, +1 | 14:15 |
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| n0ano | Yingxin, so you need all 10 of thise specs approved & merged, right? | 14:16 |
| Yingxin | yes | 14:17 |
| n0ano | looks like the review queue just got larger :-) | 14:17 |
| Yingxin | :) I'll help do more reviews | 14:18 |
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| n0ano | OK, let's move on | 14:19 |
| n0ano | #topic Mid-cycle meetup | 14:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oh the spec front, we are technically closed for Mitaka specs right now | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | I do have an eye towards Jay's specs though, assuming we have the bandwidth for those | 14:19 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, I assumed that was the case but I thought we'd get an exceptino on Jay's | 14:19 |
| n0ano | s/get/try to get | 14:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, if there is consensus and bandwidth, it seems something we should consider, but we feel very oversubscribed right now | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, sounds like thats moving, which is all good no matter which release we can fit it into | 14:21 |
| n0ano | let's hope we have the BW, it is rather important to the scheduler improvements | 14:21 |
| n0ano | anyway, mid-cycle | 14:21 |
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| n0ano | it's coming up soon, end of this month, is beautiful, sunny England, wondering who is planning to attend (I won't make it this time) | 14:22 |
| cdent | I'll be there. | 14:22 |
| _gryf | i'll be there also | 14:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I will be there | 14:23 |
| cdent | If it continues raining like it has been, Bristol won't be. | 14:23 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, :-) | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: totally possible | 14:23 |
| n0ano | good, sounds like we will have reasonable representation, we should think about topics we'd like discussed | 14:24 |
| n0ano | Jay's resource tracker would be high on my list, anthing else? | 14:24 |
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| carl_baldwin | I will be there hoping to discuss scheduling and Neutron | 14:24 |
| edleafe | I won't be able to attend | 14:24 |
| n0ano | edleafe, bummer | 14:24 |
| n0ano | carl_baldwin, good subject, do you have some thoughts on that (don't need them now but we should get prepared in the next week or so) | 14:25 |
| cdent | I'd like to get scheduler testing onto the midcycle agenda, at least some brain sharing | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | carl_baldwin: ah, thats a good topic to get started, so we have concrete things for the summit | 14:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | n0ano: walking up from long vacation this morning but I can share thoughts on that a bit later | 14:26 |
| n0ano | carl_baldwin, sure, maybe next week would be perfect | 14:26 |
| carl_baldwin | n0ano: johnthetubaguy what is the best way to share them? | 14:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | a backlog spec would work for me, a short one | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/backlog/index.html | 14:27 |
| carl_baldwin | n0ano: johnthetubaguy sounds good, I'll prepare that this week | 14:27 |
| n0ano | carl_baldwin, or a message to the mailing list works too | 14:27 |
| Yingxin | cdent++ it's difficult to test scheduler performance or reproduce race condition using current tests | 14:27 |
| * cdent nods | 14:27 | |
| johnthetubaguy | I have proposed a new scheduler via specs here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256323/ | 14:28 |
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| n0ano | cdent, getting on the agenda is relatively easy, I assume johnthetubaguy will setup a white board the first day, just want to make sure we now what we want to talk about going in | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is an etherpad up already, let me find the link | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/NovaMitakaSprint | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-midcycle | 14:28 |
| cdent | Yingxin, you want to add something there ^ or shall I? | 14:28 |
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| carl_baldwin | n0ano: thank you | 14:29 |
| Yingxin | cdent: ok, I will | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: Yingxin: we have large ops and the nova functional test job that help with some of that, there are some other folks thinking about a third party performance gate test, which is also related, good to cover that stuff | 14:29 |
| cdent | Thanks Yingxin | 14:30 |
| n0ano | sounds good, let's talk more about the mid-cycle next week | 14:31 |
| n0ano | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256323/ | 14:31 |
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| n0ano | I just checked the scheduler bug list and it hasn't gone up noticable (but it hasn't gone down either) | 14:32 |
| n0ano | I'm hoping the Intel San Antonio group will start working on the list but no progress yet | 14:32 |
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| n0ano | we all should check the list and try and work on a few bugs in our copious amounts of free time :-) | 14:33 |
| * cdent will try | 14:34 | |
| n0ano | cdent, tnx, that's all we're asking | 14:34 |
| n0ano | anyway | 14:34 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 14:34 |
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| n0ano | Anyone have anything new for today? | 14:34 |
| Yingxin | I've tried hard to reproduce a high bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1341420 with detailed logs :-) | 14:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1341420 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "gap between scheduler selection and claim causes spurious failures when the instance is the last one to fit" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Yingxin (cyx1231st) | 14:35 |
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| Yingxin | anyone interested in solving race conditions can have a look at it | 14:36 |
| n0ano | races are fun, it might just take a long time testing to hit the bug, how long did you try? | 14:37 |
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| Yingxin | 4 days setting up environment and tried many many times | 14:37 |
| Yingxin | that's why we neet functional tests :) | 14:38 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: I think that the attitude that the scheduler is "optimistic" is going to make focusing on fixing race conditions more difficult | 14:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | there are two schedulers required here, I suspect | 14:39 |
| n0ano | I guess the issue is what's the effect of the race, if it's just a failure that is handled by the retry mechanism then there's not problem | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | the current scheduler assumes there is a fair chunk of free space at all times | 14:39 |
| Yingxin | Yeah, but it's still weird that only one scheduler will still have the race problem | 14:39 |
| Yingxin | sorry about grammar issues | 14:40 |
| n0ano | Yingxin, the race is between two components, comute & scheduler, there can still be races there | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | Yingxin: have you tried the caching_scheduler? | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | that reduces the window *a lot* when you have only one scheduler | 14:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | enough to fix the issues we were hitting in production before we started using that, at least | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano you do make a very good point though, what are the errors the retry does fix | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | oops, s/does fix/does not fix/ | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | Yingxin: to be more explicit, I am talking about this one: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/scheduler/caching_scheduler.py | 14:42 |
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| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, we'd have to look at that, I know if handles `here's a node, use it - the use it fails', not sure about cases where the scheduler thinks it can;'t find a node | 14:43 |
| Yingxin | johnthetubaguy: yes, it will be indeed more efficient in one scheduler scenario. | 14:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Yingxin: the efficiency is not all it does, that means the decisions are stored in the local memory between select_destination calls, to reduce the racing | 14:44 |
| Yingxin | but the problem still exists according to my log analysis | 14:44 |
| Yingxin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1341420/comments/24 | 14:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1341420 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "gap between scheduler selection and claim causes spurious failures when the instance is the last one to fit" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Yingxin (cyx1231st) | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | Yingxin: its basically helped because of this call here: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/scheduler/filter_scheduler.py#L145 | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | the problem is still there, its just much less of a problem, and the retry should fix up the remaining issues | 14:45 |
| n0ano | looking at the bug I would think retry would apply, is this a bug or a comment that the current process is inefficient? | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | that goes back to nano's question, when do you have so many problems the retry doesn't work? | 14:46 |
| Yingxin | the retry would work, but it's inefficient to some extent | 14:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | to be clear, the current approach is not a good idea if you cloud is often full, its the wrong trade off, and we should create a different scheduler for that, and moving claims to the scheduler does something that is much closer to what you wanting | 14:47 |
| n0ano | I would also point out that it seems this is probably not a high bugs, I'd drop it to medium if not low | 14:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Yingxin: only lots of testing will show that | 14:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: +1 | 14:48 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: inefficiency is by design :) | 14:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | Yingxin: and it depends very much on your cloud | 14:48 |
| n0ano | edleafe, +1 (unfortunately) | 14:48 |
| cdent | edleafe: is that what "optimistic" means? | 14:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | edleafe: yes, it is basically | 14:48 |
| edleafe | cdent: pretty much | 14:48 |
| cdent | gotchya | 14:48 |
| edleafe | cdent: we expect it to fail, and handle it when it does | 14:48 |
| cdent | And is the latency that is caused significant enough to be a real bear, or just a teddy bear? | 14:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | depends how many retries you see | 14:49 |
| n0ano | edleafe, I would substitue s/expect/tolerate/ but basically yes | 14:49 |
| edleafe | cdent: as johnthetubaguy said, it depends on your cloud and the load placed on it | 14:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | personally for us, its was well under 1% of builds that needed a retry, last time I checked, but yeah, "it depends" is the correct answer | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the extra speed and simplicity I see as a win | 14:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | actually I am attempting to make it simpler to understand with this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256323/ | 14:51 |
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| johnthetubaguy | those weights are a pain in the back to understand properly | 14:51 |
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| johnthetubaguy | s/patch/suggestion/ | 14:52 |
| n0ano | OK, good discussion but we're aproaching the top of the hour, any last minutes points? | 14:53 |
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| n0ano | then I'll thank everyone and we'll talk next week | 14:54 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 14:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 4 14:54:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-01-04-14.00.html | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-01-04-14.00.txt | 14:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-01-04-14.00.log.html | 14:54 |
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| dims | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 4 16:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dims. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| dims | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, harlowja, haypo, | 16:00 |
| dims | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| gcb | o/ | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
| dims | Wish everyone a happy new year! | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:00 |
| bknudson_ | hi | 16:00 |
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| johnsom | Same to you! | 16:00 |
| redrobot | o/ | 16:00 |
| rbradfor | o/ | 16:00 |
| jd__ | o/ | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
| dims | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:01 |
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| bknudson_ | can't think of anything in keystone | 16:01 |
| johnsom | Nothing from lbaas/octavia | 16:01 |
| bknudson_ | new year's resolution was no red flags this year | 16:01 |
| dims | thanks bknudson_ johnsom | 16:01 |
| gcb | I just take the role of nova liaison , noting from Nova | 16:02 |
| amrith | ./ | 16:02 |
| jecarey | 0/ | 16:02 |
| amrith | nothing from trove | 16:02 |
| dims | thanks gcb amrith | 16:02 |
| dims | #topic Releases for Mitaka | 16:02 |
| dims | I don't have anything lined up for today, does anyone need anything urgent? | 16:02 |
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| amrith | have to speak with victor re: 257561 | 16:02 |
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| dims | amrith : ack | 16:02 |
| dims | #topic Open discussion | 16:03 |
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| amrith | what's victor's irc name ;) | 16:03 |
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| amrith | can we discuss that? | 16:03 |
| dims | we can do a specs review next week when everyone has caught up with their work | 16:03 |
| jd__ | haypo | 16:03 |
| dims | amrith : it's haypo | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:03 |
| jd__ | ? | 16:03 |
| gcb | hapyo for victor | 16:03 |
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| amrith | thx | 16:03 |
| gcb | sorry haypo ,hehe | 16:04 |
| lxsli | o/ | 16:04 |
| dims | lxsli : i still owe you a review | 16:04 |
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| lxsli | Can I swap that review for https://review.openstack.org/263312 ? Fresh off the fingers, no tests, but I'd like to know if the whole approach is terrible | 16:05 |
| dims | lxsli : ack | 16:05 |
| dims | anything else to discuss? if not, we can wrap it up for today | 16:07 |
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| lxsli | all time speed record? | 16:07 |
| dims | :) | 16:07 |
| bknudson_ | I don't know why we need to reload configs. seems safer to restart services. | 16:08 |
| bknudson_ | or, start new instances and stop old instances | 16:08 |
| dims | bknudson_ : lxsli, you are on :) | 16:08 |
| ozamiatin_ | dims: please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262205/ | 16:08 |
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| dims | ozamiatin_ : there's a ceilometer failure? | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | bknudson_: In the case of Cinder you can have multiple backends affected by the volume service being restarted. Irritating when you are restarting to change configs on just one of the backends. | 16:09 |
| bknudson_ | I wouldn't block work to reload configs, but I wouldn't make it a priority | 16:09 |
| ozamiatin_ | dims: it's not a fix, the gate is failing for some other reason | 16:09 |
| dims | ozamiatin_ : ack | 16:09 |
| bknudson_ | you don't restart the service, you bring up new instances with the new config while shutting down old instances | 16:09 |
| dims | bknudson_ : lxsli : let's move to oslo channel and close out the meeting :) | 16:11 |
| dims | thanks everyone | 16:11 |
| dims | #endmeeting | 16:11 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 4 16:11:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:11 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-01-04-16.00.html | 16:11 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-01-04-16.00.txt | 16:11 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-01-04-16.00.log.html | 16:11 |
| kgiusti | shortest. meeting. ever. | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | Woo hoo! | 16:12 |
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| dims | :) | 16:12 |
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| jabale | Are we about ready to begin? | 19:49 |
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| jabale | #youknowthatstuff | 19:50 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 4 20:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
| merehdg | Ok | 20:00 |
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| arunkant | o/ | 20:00 |
| spotz | o/ | 20:00 |
| rellerreller | o/ | 20:00 |
| edtubill | o/ | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:00 |
| merehdg | How was Christmas? | 20:00 |
| diazjf | o/ | 20:00 |
| jrichli | o/ | 20:00 |
| jkf | o/ | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | Happy New Year Barbicaneers! :D | 20:01 |
| merehdg | o/ | 20:01 |
| maxabidi | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | mine was quite good merehdg | 20:01 |
| merehdg | Good | 20:01 |
| merehdg | Mine was good too | 20:01 |
| silos | \o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | although I think I'm getting old, because I got close to zero presents :( | 20:01 |
| merehdg | Oh | 20:01 |
| merehdg | Thst is a shame | 20:01 |
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| kfarr | o/ | 20:01 |
| alee | o/ | 20:01 |
| merehdg | Redrobot how was yours | 20:01 |
| panatl | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | lots of barbicaneers here today! | 20:02 |
| merehdg | Oh | 20:02 |
| spotz | Happy New Year | 20:02 |
| redrobot | looks like everyone is ready to hit the ground running for the good year | 20:02 |
| panatl | Happy New Year!! | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | \o/ | 20:02 |
| igueths | ø | 20:02 |
| redrobot | as usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #topic Action Items | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | there were no action items last week | 20:03 |
| redrobot | so moving on | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #topic Liaison Updates | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 20:04 |
| redrobot | so one of my new year's resolutions is to keep better track of cross-project things | 20:04 |
| redrobot | so I wanted to touch base with Barbican liaisons during the weekly meeting for updates | 20:04 |
| redrobot | for Oslo, I went to the meeting today, but it was quite uneventful | 20:05 |
| redrobot | hockeynut_afk seems to be afk, so no update from QA | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | constanze seems to be mia, so no update from Docs | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | for VMT, we do have a security bug open, which I think may be still marked private | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | I need to make some progress on that bug | 20:06 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to check on status of reported security bug | 20:07 |
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| dave-mccowan | FYI, the Barbican Key Manager in Nova and Cinder had a pretty severe bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1523646 The patch is in review in Nova still, and merged in Cinder. | 20:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1523646 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova/Cinder Key Manager for Barbican Uses Stale Cache" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Dave McCowan (dave-mccowan) | 20:07 |
| dave-mccowan | any thoughts on how far back this fix should be backported? the key manager is unusable without the fix. | 20:07 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan thanks for the link! I'll take a look at it | 20:07 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:08 |
| jkf | redrobot: it is still private, just checked | 20:08 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan I believe n-2 releases should be supported... so Juno, Kilo and Liberty? | 20:08 |
| redrobot | ... or maybe just Kilo, Liberty and Mitaka? ... not sure what "n" is supposed to be in this context | 20:09 |
| jmckind_ | o/ | 20:09 |
| spotz | n=current release? | 20:09 |
| redrobot | jkf iirc the VMT folks said we could probably mark as public since it's not that severe... | 20:09 |
| redrobot | jkf thanks for checking that | 20:09 |
| jkf | redrobot: I don | 20:09 |
| jkf | 't have an issue with making it public. | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | maybe we can use cross-project liasons to make sure stable branch backports happen for these patches. | 20:10 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan is this a nova+cinder patch? | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | yes | 20:11 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan I'll ping ccneil and see if he's got some free cycles to work on some backports | 20:11 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to ping ccneill about the nova+cinder security bug | 20:12 |
| redrobot | alee any news from the magnum folks? | 20:12 |
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| alee | redrobot, sorry I have not checked in with them in awhile - at last check, they are still planning on integrating with the KMS side, but holding off on cms | 20:13 |
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| alee | redrobot, I'll try attend a meeting later this week | 20:14 |
| redrobot | alee awesome, thanks | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | ok, I think that's it for liaisons | 20:14 |
| redrobot | moving on to the agenda | 20:14 |
| merehdg | Ok | 20:15 |
| redrobot | #topic Mitaka Mid-cycle | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/BarbicanMitakaSprint | 20:15 |
| redrobot | The mid-cycle sprint is next week! :-O | 20:15 |
| redrobot | we're pretty excited to be hosting at the Castle | 20:15 |
| diazjf | whoop whoop | 20:15 |
| merehdg | It is so cool we can do thin on IRC. | 20:15 |
| redrobot | everything looks good on our end. if you haven't signed up on Eventbrite, please do, so we can plan for food and such | 20:16 |
| merehdg | Ok | 20:16 |
| redrobot | the etherpad is still looking a bit bare | 20:16 |
| redrobot | so please add some topics this week | 20:16 |
| merehdg | Really? | 20:16 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-mitaka-midcycle | 20:16 |
| merehdg | Ok | 20:17 |
| merehdg | I believe you | 20:17 |
| merehdg | :) | 20:17 |
| merehdg | :/ | 20:17 |
| redrobot | merehdg yeah, I still haven't gone through the tokyo summit notes to add outstanding topics | 20:17 |
| merehdg | Ok | 20:17 |
| merehdg | Ill let you do that | 20:17 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to review the Tokyo summit notes for outstanding topics for the mid-cycle | 20:17 |
| redrobot | any questions/comments regarding the mid-cycle? | 20:17 |
| merehdg | Do we meet here on Memoral Day since it is a Monday | 20:18 |
| merehdg | Or is that meetijg going to be cancelled | 20:18 |
| redrobot | merehdg planning ahead, I see? :) ... I think it may possibly be cancelled since I will not be at work... but we usually don't make those decisions until a couple of weeks before the holiday. | 20:19 |
| merehdg | Ok | 20:20 |
| redrobot | merehdg usually we announce cancelled meetings on the ML | 20:20 |
| merehdg | Ok | 20:20 |
| redrobot | any other questions/comments about the mid-cycle? | 20:20 |
| dave-mccowan | maybe thinking about MLK day, in two weeks? | 20:20 |
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| merehdg | I thibk we can move on | 20:21 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan I think we'll still meet on MLK day... I don't get a holiday that day. :( | 20:21 |
| redrobot | alrighty, moving on | 20:21 |
| redrobot | #topic Castellan multiple keystone auth blueprint | 20:22 |
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| redrobot | diazjf your topic? | 20:22 |
| diazjf | redrobot, I just want everyone to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241068/ | 20:22 |
| diazjf | I recently updated it and add comments | 20:22 |
| diazjf | added* | 20:23 |
| rellerreller | diazjf what object do you plan to use for the context parameter in the KeyManager calls? | 20:23 |
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| elmiko | o/ | 20:24 |
| rellerreller | I'm still trying to figure out this spec. | 20:24 |
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| merehdg | Ok | 20:24 |
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| merehdg | Understood | 20:25 |
| diazjf | rellerreller I think objects should still be oslo,context or just dictionaries which Castellan breaks apart and determines the correct Keystone Auth to use | 20:25 |
| diazjf | I'm not sure about using a new hierarchy-based context class | 20:25 |
| rellerreller | So I think this would be a good topic of discussion at the mid-cycle. | 20:25 |
| redrobot | diazjf oslo.context != dict ... I think it would have to be one or the other | 20:25 |
| elmiko | does castellan really need to know much about the context obj? | 20:26 |
| diazjf | redrobot, shouldn't we support both? | 20:26 |
| rellerreller | I am going to propose a new Credential class and object hierarchy. | 20:26 |
| rellerreller | elmiko I think we should be using the term credential instead of context, but that is a minor detail. | 20:26 |
| redrobot | rellerreller +1 for Castellan Auth discussion at mid-cycle | 20:27 |
| diazjf | rellerreller agreed, we can have a deep discussion about this during the midcycle. | 20:27 |
| merehdg | Ok | 20:27 |
| elmiko | rellerreller: fair | 20:27 |
| redrobot | ok, cool, so for now please read the spec so we're on the same page for next week | 20:27 |
| rellerreller | I believe we should create a Credential object with subclasses for how to authenticate to the backend key management device. | 20:27 |
| diazjf | rellerreller, I can add an alternative section to the spec including hierarchy if you would like :) | 20:27 |
| rellerreller | I'm envisioning a KeystoneTokenCredential and a UsernamePasswordCredential. | 20:28 |
| rellerreller | The KeyManager can then use this to determine how to authenticate to the device. | 20:28 |
| elmiko | maybe i'm missing something, but shouldn't these credential objects just get passed along to whatever client will consume them? (does castellan really need to know much about them) | 20:28 |
| merehdg | I agree | 20:28 |
| redrobot | elmiko the problem is that a person consuming Castellan needs to use a credential without knowing what backend will be used a runtime | 20:28 |
| rellerreller | In some cases they will be passed along in other cases we may want device specific credentials. | 20:29 |
| redrobot | elmiko so we need to clearly define what a credential is, so it's part of the interface contract | 20:29 |
| elmiko | ah, so castellan may need to do something special depending on what type of credential arrives, is that accurate? | 20:29 |
| rellerreller | elmiko yes | 20:29 |
| elmiko | got it | 20:29 |
| merehdg | Ok | 20:29 |
| merehdg | Understood now | 20:30 |
| rellerreller | Consider the case of KMIP. You can authenticate via username and password, PKI, or something propietary. | 20:30 |
| elmiko | thanks for the extended explanation =) | 20:30 |
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| diazjf | rellerreller, so I'm guessing a regular dictionary wouldn't be clean enough? | 20:30 |
| merehdg | Sometimes they are necessary | 20:30 |
| diazjf | Castellan checks for specific values? | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | diazjf dict may work, but we'd have to define/document the keys that castellan will use | 20:31 |
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| rellerreller | What I don't like about a dictionary is that it's not as clean to read. There will be checks for `if hasattr` all over the place. | 20:31 |
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| rellerreller | Then what happens if somehow the code has multiple dictionary entries and username/password and token are provided. Which one takes precedence? | 20:31 |
| merehdg | I just finished lunch | 20:31 |
| merehdg | It was good | 20:31 |
| elmiko | rellerreller: good point | 20:31 |
| diazjf | rellerreller, redrobot, I'll update the spec to include hierarchy as an alternative that way we can discuss all this during the midcycle. I like dictionaries, but I'll consider the cleaner alternative. | 20:32 |
| redrobot | yeah... defining a class makes it cleaner | 20:32 |
| redrobot | diazjf awesome | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | anything else on this topic before we move on? | 20:32 |
| merehdg | YEAH! BRAVO!!! | 20:32 |
| rellerreller | I don't know if it needs to be an alternative as opposed to a separate spec. | 20:32 |
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| merehdg | We can move on | 20:32 |
| diazjf | rellerreller, I can put it as the main spec, no worries either way, just let me know | 20:33 |
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| redrobot | diazjf I'm sure we'll have a good idea what to do next week... | 20:33 |
| rellerreller | I'll put some thoughts together and would like to propose a bp. | 20:33 |
| rellerreller | Hopefully I can get through prepub in a timely fashion. | 20:34 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller guess we'll be dialing you in for the Castellan auth discussion next week? | 20:34 |
| rellerreller | redrobot yes please. | 20:34 |
| diazjf | rellerreller, awesome, I'll wait for your blueprint. | 20:34 |
| rellerreller | I wish I could be there, but there was no funding for me :( Monday would work best for me if that is possible. | 20:34 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller ok, I'll coordinate with diazjf to dial you in on Monday... I'm thinking afternoon so we can split up into smaller groups | 20:35 |
| rellerreller | Sounds good | 20:35 |
| diazjf | awesome! | 20:36 |
| redrobot | we've got 20+ people signed up for next week | 20:36 |
| redrobot | so we'll need a smaller group for the remote discussion to work well | 20:36 |
| merehdg | Ok | 20:36 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:36 |
| redrobot | #topic Puppet modules for Barbican | 20:37 |
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| redrobot | alee is this your topic? | 20:37 |
| alee | redrobot, yup | 20:37 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258851/ | 20:37 |
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| alee | just letting folks know that I have started working on the puppet modules for barbican | 20:37 |
| merehdg | Ok | 20:37 |
| alee | based on the template the puppet folks have been using | 20:38 |
| redrobot | sounds awesome... although I'm more of an Ansible guy myself ;) | 20:38 |
| alee | there is a patch out there for review that does some initial stuff | 20:38 |
| alee | which is the link that redrobot referenced | 20:38 |
| alee | about to add a new one on top of that for keystone auth | 20:38 |
| redrobot | alee who owns openstack/puppet-barbican ? | 20:39 |
| alee | it works for fedora/rdo packages -- would need to be tweaked for ubuntu | 20:39 |
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| alee | redrobot, the puppert folks that are doing all/most of the oopenstack puppet modules | 20:39 |
| redrobot | alee ok, cool | 20:40 |
| alee | they are planning on reviewing too - and some have to some extent as well. | 20:40 |
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| alee | but feedback/testing by folks here will help a lot | 20:40 |
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| alee | and patches to get it working for ubuntu say | 20:41 |
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| redrobot | alee I would suggest sending a message to the ML ... maybe you can shake some puppeteers out of the woodwork to help | 20:41 |
| alee | also, I'm working on getting it running as an apache module , and if anyone has done that, it would be great to see how you did it. | 20:42 |
| alee | redrobot, yup - I'll do that. | 20:42 |
| merehdg | Make sure you tell the boss thatI wont be here next week. | 20:42 |
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| merehdg | Lets move on | 20:43 |
| alee | anyways, thats it for me on this now .. | 20:43 |
| redrobot | alee alrighty | 20:44 |
| redrobot | that's all I have on the agenda for today | 20:44 |
| redrobot | #topic Open Discussion | 20:44 |
| merehdg | Ok | 20:44 |
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| redrobot | any other topics that didn't make it to the agenda? | 20:44 |
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| merehdg | It doesnt appear thst way. | 20:45 |
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| merehdg | Fredyx you missed the meeting | 20:45 |
| merehdg | Fredyx10 | 20:45 |
| redrobot | going once | 20:46 |
| redrobot | ok, we all get 10 minutes of workday back! \o/ | 20:46 |
| redrobot | thanks for coming y'all! | 20:46 |
| merehdg | Ok | 20:46 |
| edtubill | cool, see you guys next week :) | 20:47 |
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| merehdg | Im not at work | 20:47 |
| dave-mccowan | see ya next week | 20:47 |
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| redrobot | see y'all in San Antonio :D | 20:47 |
| spotz | see everyone next week | 20:47 |
| merehdg | Im not part of this company | 20:47 |
| merehdg | I wont be in San antonio | 20:47 |
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| merehdg | But see you | 20:47 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:47 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 4 20:47:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-01-04-20.00.html | 20:47 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-01-04-20.00.txt | 20:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-01-04-20.00.log.html | 20:47 |
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| elmiko | thanks redrobot | 20:47 |
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| sarob_ | Product time? | 21:01 |
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| pchadwick | pchadwick is here, not sure who else. | 21:02 |
| sarob_ | Hmm | 21:02 |
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| * hughhalf is here too, but suspects meetings might be recommencing next week given how quiet it is :) | 21:03 | |
| sarob_ | Yup, no agenda update from Shamail or carol | 21:03 |
| sarob_ | Enjoy another week of bliss I guess | 21:04 |
| sarob_ | Cheers | 21:04 |
| pchadwick | Carol is on sabbatical at least for the next two weeks I think. | 21:04 |
| pchadwick | bliss or productivity ;) | 21:04 |
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| sarob_ | Oh right | 21:04 |
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| sarob_ | I'll ping Shamail and get prepped for week | 21:05 |
| pchadwick | later. | 21:05 |
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| hughhalf | cheers | 21:05 |
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