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| xgerman | #startmeeting networking-fwaas | 00:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 21 00:00:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking-fwaas)" | 00:00 | |
| ajmiller_ | o/ | 00:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 00:00 |
| SridarK | Hi All | 00:00 |
| jwarendt | Hi | 00:00 |
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| mickeys | Hi | 00:00 |
| bharathm | Hi | 00:00 |
| xgerman | #chair SriarK | 00:00 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: SriarK | 00:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SriarK xgerman | 00:00 |
| xgerman | #chair SridarK | 00:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SriarK SridarK xgerman | 00:00 |
| Aish | hi | 00:01 |
| xgerman | ok, today we have three topics | 00:01 |
| annp | Hi | 00:01 |
| xgerman | #topic Austin conference | 00:01 |
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| xgerman | Do we want to have a talk? | 00:01 |
| SridarK | xgerman: we may be cutting it close in terms of the patches - if we have things working it would be better | 00:02 |
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| xgerman | yep, working would be good | 00:02 |
| SridarK | xgerman: we will probab have a slot in the neutron design summit | 00:03 |
| SridarK | xgerman: in terms of users - having it working and showing a demo will be nice, but hard to predict how well we will land | 00:03 |
| xgerman | yeah, I don’t think we have much new stuff to report unless we get the code working... | 00:03 |
| SridarK | xgerman: yes that is my concern | 00:03 |
| xgerman | SridarK it sounds like vBrownbag is our preferred outlet | 00:04 |
| SridarK | yes | 00:04 |
| xgerman | ok, I will keep an eye out for that then... | 00:05 |
| xgerman | #topic V2 Development | 00:05 |
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| xgerman | we made good progress at the midcycle | 00:05 |
| SridarK | +1 | 00:05 |
| mickeys | +1 | 00:05 |
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| xgerman | we have some patches… and I think we need to keep at it | 00:06 |
| mickeys | +1 | 00:06 |
| SridarK | i updated the db patch for some basic CR for rules, i will work with sc68cal and keep adding something basic for policy and FW group | 00:07 |
| * sc68cal drops in | 00:07 | |
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| xgerman | nice — I made some versioned object stubs for testing | 00:07 |
| SridarK | then we can try to do an end to end with the agent | 00:07 |
| jwarendt | Started on cli, right now just using separate names until versioning strategy figured out. | 00:07 |
| xgerman | so all our commands will be like fawns-firewall-create | 00:08 |
| xgerman | fwaas | 00:08 |
| jwarendt | Correct. | 00:08 |
| xgerman | is that ok? Or another name better? Or straight going to openstack client ;-) | 00:08 |
| xgerman | scratch the last one though... | 00:09 |
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| xgerman | ok, silence is consent :-) | 00:10 |
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| SridarK | jwarendt: once u have a basic patch - i can start using that in my devstack | 00:11 |
| xgerman | yeah!! | 00:11 |
| jwarendt | So v1 used 'firewall-create'; new strawman is 'fwaas-firewall-create' with the 4 new group params, project_id instead of tenant_id, public instead of shared. Will push up a WIP very soon. | 00:11 |
| SridarK | right now i have something hacked based on a pointer for sc68cal | 00:11 |
| SridarK | *from sc68cal | 00:11 |
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| sc68cal | jwarendt: nice work | 00:12 |
| xgerman | +1 | 00:12 |
| jwarendt | But we do need to figure out version strategy longer-term. I.e. is there a version in the "firewall_*" objects? Are we micro-versioning? Etc. | 00:12 |
| SridarK | jwarendt: and some of these will be optional and taken as defaults | 00:12 |
| xgerman | micro versioning isn’t ready | 00:13 |
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| xgerman | in lbaas we just did v2 once v1 is deprecated we can use that namespace again | 00:14 |
| sc68cal | microversioning depends on support in the main neutron project | 00:14 |
| sc68cal | sadly :( | 00:14 |
| xgerman | :-( | 00:14 |
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| sc68cal | so unless we want to write our own full REST API and server and wsgi layer - like those crazy octavia people - we're not able to use it yet | 00:15 |
| sc68cal | I mean really, those people ;) | 00:15 |
| rm_work | lol | 00:15 |
| SridarK | :-) | 00:15 |
| xgerman | lol | 00:15 |
| bharathm | Hehe | 00:15 |
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| SridarK | sc68cal: xgerman wears that hat too | 00:15 |
| xgerman | yep | 00:16 |
| sc68cal | yup - and I love poking him with a stick :) | 00:16 |
| sc68cal | oh, also one thing that we are desperate for is the following: | 00:17 |
| sc68cal | 1) Someone to implement the observer thingy that vpnaas has for the l3 agent, for fwaas | 00:17 |
| * xgerman zoolander 2? | 00:17 | |
| SridarK | :-) | 00:17 |
| sc68cal | 2) getting the tempest tests out of neutron main repo, and into fwaas | 00:17 |
| sc68cal | I'd like to see us get the v1 api out of the main neutron repo and fully decomposed | 00:18 |
| xgerman | I thought Yamamoto was doing (2) | 00:18 |
| SridarK | sc68cal: on (1) i have pinged the brocade folks and the Bharath from Brocade will pick it up based on what they did for their vendor stuff | 00:18 |
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| sc68cal | xgerman: yes I believe he did some work, but I think one of the patches is stuck in limbo | 00:19 |
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| xgerman | yeah, wonder if we can reach out to him to get his status/plans | 00:19 |
| madhu_ak | tempest tests are already moved into fwaas tree though | 00:20 |
| jwarendt | You want v2 api tempest tests though. | 00:21 |
| xgerman | we do — but let’s not get ahead of purselves | 00:21 |
| sc68cal | madhu_ak: ok, if that's the case then great! | 00:21 |
| mickeys | I still need to figure out what to do for neutron security groups changes. I think we will need at least two: 1) FWaaS and Security groups co-existence in iptables, some way to jump to our set of rules as well as the security group rules, 2) conntrack manager that can be shared between FWaaS and security groups. For both, if anyone can point out a clean way to do singletons, it would result in cleaner solutions to both. | 00:23 |
| xgerman | I have seen an oslo singleton | 00:24 |
| mickeys | Any more info that can help me find it? | 00:24 |
| * xgerman looking | 00:25 | |
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| mickeys | If it takes much longer, perhaps we should take it offline ... | 00:28 |
| xgerman | found something in oslo.service | 00:28 |
| xgerman | but yeah, let’s take it offline | 00:28 |
| sc68cal | either way it's not that difficult | 00:28 |
| sc68cal | I think you can do it with a classmethod | 00:28 |
| xgerman | yep | 00:29 |
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| xgerman | stackoverflow is full with examples | 00:29 |
| mickeys | OK. Thanks. | 00:29 |
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| xgerman | #topic Open Discussion | 00:31 |
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| xgerman | mickeys: https://github.com/openstack/oslo.service/blob/master/oslo_service/service.py#L112 | 00:32 |
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| xgerman | ok, so anything for the open discussion? | 00:33 |
| xgerman | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CL4LNWHegk | 00:34 |
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| xgerman | #endmeeting | 00:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 21 00:36:57 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-01-21-00.00.html | 00:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-01-21-00.00.txt | 00:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-01-21-00.00.log.html | 00:37 |
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| SridarK | bye all | 00:37 |
| hoangcx | bye | 00:37 |
| xgerman | bye all | 00:37 |
| jwarendt | take care | 00:37 |
| bharathm | bye | 00:37 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 21 15:00:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| dustins | \o | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:00 |
| markstur_ | hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hmmm not many people here | 15:01 |
| tingwang | o/ | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | toabctl told me he won't be here | 15:01 |
| bswartz | xyang isn't around | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| tingwang | Hello, everyone. This is my first time attending manila meeting.I'm a newcomer. | 15:01 |
| aovchinnikov | hi | 15:01 |
| Zhongjun_ | hi | 15:01 |
| cknight | tingwang: welcome! | 15:01 |
| csaba | hey | 15:01 |
| dustins | tingwang: Welcome! | 15:02 |
| bswartz | so the M-2 milestone is today, and we have not merged everything we wanted to, not even close | 15:02 |
| tingwang | Thank you | 15:02 |
| bswartz | tingwang: hello, and welcome | 15:02 |
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| cknight | bswartz: kinda hard to merge things fast when the gate doesn't work | 15:02 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:02 |
| tingwang | I'm happy to see you. | 15:02 |
| bswartz | regarding M-2, there are several things in the gate I'm hoping to get in before the tag, but the whether they do or not, I will tag the milestone this afternoon | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | cknight: the gate is less bad today than previous days this week it seems | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | but anything is possible | 15:03 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: devstack starteg taking about 50 minutes (( | 15:03 |
| bswartz | the main things I wanted to call attention to are the LVM driver https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/lvm-driver https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232970/ | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | and the share access control interface changes https://blueprints.launchpad.net/manila/+spec/new-share-access-driver-interface https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245126/ | 15:04 |
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| cknight | LVM driver looks pretty good. It'd be great if others could also try running it. | 15:05 |
| cknight | I got it going pretty easily. | 15:05 |
| bswartz | these both continue to be urgent | 15:05 |
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| dustins | cknight: I'll make a point to give it a shot on my machines here | 15:05 |
| bswartz | there is some discussion around the second | 15:05 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: are you joking about devstack? | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: no | 15:06 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: how does any gate job pass? | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is about failed ones | 15:06 |
| bswartz | is it random? | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: kind of | 15:06 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | there are 6 changes with workflow +1 currently | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | we'll see what gets through by this afternoon | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:08 |
| bswartz | #topic Update_access backwards compatibility approach discussion | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | ganso: you're up | 15:08 |
| ganso | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245126/ | 15:08 |
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| ganso | currently, tempest tests are testing V1 and V2 the same way | 15:09 |
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| ganso | because API has not changed | 15:09 |
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| ganso | but in that patch, it currently changes some DB fields | 15:09 |
| ganso | it removes "state" field from Access table | 15:09 |
| ganso | and adds "access_rules_status" to Share Instance table | 15:09 |
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| ganso | which causes API requests to retrieve rules to not return a value | 15:10 |
| ganso | this affects V1 and V2 microversioned up to 2.8 | 15:10 |
| bswartz | so if the tempest tests were done correctly, they would be failing, right? | 15:11 |
| ganso | so, behavior of V1 and V2-up-to-2.8 should be maintained, and not borken | 15:11 |
| ganso | s/borken/broken | 15:11 |
| ganso | bswartz: yes | 15:11 |
| tpsilva | they are | 15:11 |
| ganso | tpsilva: in that change, it currently is not | 15:11 |
| ganso | because they are not testing V1 appropriately | 15:11 |
| ganso | they are testing V2 2.9 | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | right | 15:12 |
| ganso | so I have 2 proposals | 15:12 |
| ganso | proposal 1: creating a property "state" in access model that derives share access_rule_status. Map "out_of_sync" to "new", "active" to "active", "error" to "error". Downside is that whenever an user adds a new access rule, all rules change to "new" and then back to "active". | 15:12 |
| ganso | proposal 2: do not remove fields, keep old behavior and new one. For each new request, an access rule is added to DB with status "new", if API call succeeds, state is changed to "active". If it fails changes to "error". Behavior is closer to original. Downside is managing when one access rule fixes the other, or are added in a group, but API access_allow | 15:12 |
| ganso | allows only for one access_rule to be added at a time. | 15:12 |
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| ganso | proposal 2 seems to have best results maintaining V1 behavior | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | I prefer proposal 1 | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | why do we care about preserving the V1 behaviour, other than not breaking existing clients? | 15:13 |
| bswartz | the old behaviour was confusing and not something we should continue IMO | 15:14 |
| bswartz | the only reason to spend extra effort making the old API behaviour exactly correct would be if there were cases where clients depended on the states being expressed exactly as they used to be | 15:15 |
| bswartz | and I seriously doubt any logic depends on the values in those fields | 15:15 |
| gouthamr | ganso: which causes API requests to retrieve rules to not return a value.. .I didn't really understand this part. We're removing a field, why would we not be able to retrieve rules? | 15:15 |
| bswartz | as long as we provide some value which is vaguely accurate, I think clients will be fine | 15:15 |
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| cknight | Proposal 1 is closer to what's happening on the backend. All rules are passed down to the driver to re-apply, so a brief time in the New state seems OK. | 15:15 |
| ganso | gouthamr: we are able to retrieve rules, but the field "state" from table Access is not present anymore. | 15:16 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: access state used to be stored per-rule -- we're chaging it to be per-share-instance | 15:16 |
| markstur_ | Test scripts that set a rule and test its status will be broken | 15:16 |
| ganso | cknight: there is also the case where if one rule fails, all rules change to error at the same time | 15:16 |
| markstur_ | Production scripts? | 15:16 |
| bswartz | ganso: that's close enough to the truth that I wouldn't expect breakage | 15:17 |
| ganso | markstur_: if they test individual rules they will not. If they test the whole list, or multiple items in the list, they will. | 15:17 |
| bswartz | I would expect people to be confused, but the fix is simple -- upgrade to new client | 15:17 |
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| dustins | As long as that's clearly documented, I'm alright with that | 15:18 |
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| ganso | dustins: would this affect only Mitaka docs? | 15:19 |
| bswartz | ganso: I think this calls for a release note | 15:19 |
| ganso | dustins: document that "if using V1 client, or V2 pre-2.9, the following behavior will be shown:" | 15:19 |
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| dustins | bswartz: +1 | 15:19 |
| bswartz | ganso: +1 | 15:19 |
| dustins | ganso: Exactly, yes | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | ganso: +1, standard deprecation.. like the others we've done so far. | 15:20 |
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| ganso | great then | 15:20 |
| ganso | does everybody agree with proposal 1 or should we vote? | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | I favor proposal 1 | 15:20 |
| bswartz | any opposed? | 15:20 |
| markstur_ | I think my concern was addressed | 15:20 |
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| vponomaryov | ok with both | 15:21 |
| bswartz | btw just to add some more background, the driver interface part of this change is the new interface that all the existing drivers need to implement in M-3, so it's urgent that that part of this change merges asap | 15:21 |
| bswartz | this was discussed at midcycle last week | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | so we can tinker with the API part of the change later if needed, but some flavor of the change needs to go in | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | that's why I'm in favor of a cheap and easy solution | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | okay I think we're agreed | 15:23 |
| bswartz | #agreed we will go with ganso's first proposal for share access rule states | 15:23 |
| ganso | ok | 15:23 |
| bswartz | #topic Exposing the Data Service to drivers | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | ganso: you're up again | 15:24 |
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| ganso | markstur_ and I were talking yesterday about exposing some basic functionality of Data Service to drivers, possibly through a helper | 15:24 |
| ganso | the manager would take care of RPC calls, handle results, callbacks | 15:25 |
| ganso | my main concern is this #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259917/ | 15:25 |
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| ganso | I posted a comment | 15:25 |
| ganso | we briefly discussed this at the midcycle | 15:25 |
| bswartz | ganso: would the manager run the copy code itself, or deal with sending RPCs to the actual data copy service? | 15:25 |
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| ganso | the copy code would be offloaded to the data service | 15:25 |
| ganso | no copy would be performed in the manager | 15:26 |
| ganso | but there are 2 things very important here | 15:26 |
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| ganso | 1) drivers are not experimental, if driver change is in, it is in for Mitaka release | 15:26 |
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| ganso | 2) Migration and Data Service still are | 15:26 |
| ganso | so agreeing this, we need to make Migration and Data Service not experimental anymore | 15:27 |
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| ganso | that ^, if a driver merges and uses Data Service | 15:27 |
| bswartz | ganso: I agree, but there is another option | 15:27 |
| bswartz | the data copy service does not need to be experimental -- it has no REST API | 15:28 |
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| ganso | bswartz: right, good point | 15:28 |
| bswartz | the migration APIs can continue to be experimental even as we fully support the data copy service | 15:28 |
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| ganso | right now we don't have plans to expose Data Service functions through API, only internally to drivers through helper | 15:28 |
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| cknight | ganso: Thanks for pointing this out. I don't think drivers should be doing a full data copy themselves. But using the data copy service would make the share-from-snapshot asynchronous from the driver's perspective. How would state changes be handled? | 15:29 |
| bswartz | there is precedent for managers to send RPCs, so allowing the manager to send an RPC to the data copy service doesn't seem like a bad thing | 15:30 |
| bswartz | however we should discuss what the actual RPC for data copying looks like | 15:30 |
| bswartz | it has to be asynchronous to some degree, and it will require DB state | 15:30 |
| ganso | cknight: share status would remain in "creating", callback function would change it to "available". This is something we still need to design, drivers are not allowed to touch DB, manager needs to do it, but in this case, manager would need to know what to do. This would be a simple share model update. | 15:31 |
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| cknight | ganso: OK. It does open possibilities for more drivers to support interesting workflows, albeit more slowly. | 15:32 |
| bswartz | I'm referring to how the data copy service tracks its own work | 15:32 |
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| ganso | bswartz: yes, this is a problem since we don't have the Jobs table | 15:33 |
| bswartz | ideally the data copy service should be able to survive restarts and reboots | 15:33 |
| ganso | bswartz: that as well... | 15:33 |
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| ganso | it is not resilient, fault tolerant | 15:33 |
| bswartz | if we don't add those features then the data copy service will end up being highly unreliable in production | 15:33 |
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| bswartz | as simple copy_jobs table would solve a lot of problems | 15:34 |
| bswartz | s/as/a/ | 15:34 |
| ganso | bswartz: but either that, or a driver in production bottlenecking the manila-share service copying 1TB of data | 15:34 |
| cknight | bswartz: At a minimum, it seems we're agreed drivers shouldn't be doing full host-based data copy operations themselves, right? | 15:34 |
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| ganso | cknight: +1 | 15:35 |
| bswartz | cknight: I'm not sure I'd go that far | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | cknight: ideally they would not, but in the short term we may need to tolerate it | 15:35 |
| bswartz | once we have a working reliable data copy service, then I think we should enforce that kind of rule | 15:35 |
| markstur_ | leveraging data service would be preferred | 15:35 |
| bswartz | but until we do, I don't want to prevent drivers from doing what needs to be done | 15:36 |
| cknight | bswartz: It's a scaling nightmare for any driver. Why would a driver author choose to do that? | 15:36 |
| markstur_ | I don't see why it is "highly unreliable" | 15:36 |
| bswartz | in any case we will be no worse off than cinder, which does immense amounts of data copying on the cinder control nodes | 15:36 |
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| markstur_ | Seems we're going the right direction | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | markstur_: if all the data copy jobs simply fail when I restart the manila-data-copy service then people who use them will have to design workarounds like retry mechanisms | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | I'd rather that the retry mechanism lives inside the copy services so its users can assuming reliable operation | 15:37 |
| bswartz | s/assuming/assume/ | 15:38 |
| markstur_ | bswartz, Makes sense. | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | zuul just restarted all the manila gate jobs | 15:39 |
| markstur_ | The ghostbusters Zuul or the other one? | 15:39 |
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| markstur_ | Oh. | 15:39 |
| bswartz | markstur_: it's the same zuul | 15:39 |
| dustins | The one not causing dimensional mischief :P | 15:40 |
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| cknight | bswartz: :-) | 15:40 |
| bswartz | dustins: that's a matter of perspective | 15:40 |
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| dustins | :) | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | okay so did we answer your question ganso? | 15:40 |
| ganso | bswartz: so decision is that we prefer the driver does the copy, in Mitaka. And we will work for an improved data service to be released in N, right? | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | ganso: any reason we can't get the data copy service fully working in M? | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | is there not enough manpower to get it done? | 15:42 |
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| ganso | bswartz: I am not sure we can do it in time, if the driver needs it, the driver will also need to update | 15:42 |
| bswartz | I don't prefer that the driver does the copy, but it seems to be the only option in the short term | 15:42 |
| cknight | bswartz: If that's the will of the community, fine. I think the patch in question does Huawei customers, and by extension Manila, a disservice by introducing a huge performance bottleneck in what should be a quick workflow. | 15:43 |
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| ganso | bswartz: It is better than rushing it | 15:43 |
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| ganso | bswartz: *could be better | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | cknight: I think that can be worked around by documenting that, for the huawei driver at least, m-shr needs to on a node with data-copying horsepower | 15:44 |
| bswartz | it's really a deployment question | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | right now we don't have flexbility to split the m-shr and m-dat functions onto different nodes, and in the future, we will | 15:44 |
| ganso | end users don't understand that, Cloud providers may even choose to disable snapshot functionality on a Huawei backend | 15:44 |
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| cknight | ganso: +1 I would. | 15:45 |
| bswartz | I actually hope that we can learn something about data copying by allowing some people to try it and let us know how it goes at production scale | 15:46 |
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| cknight | bswartz: The migration facility should accomplish that. | 15:46 |
| bswartz | yes but I'm hearing we might not have that production ready in time for Mitaka | 15:46 |
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| ganso | bswartz: we can try | 15:47 |
| ganso | maybe create an alternative Huawei patches and by the end of M-3 we merge one or the other | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | Mitaka will hopefully give users an improved migration experience, but maybe not a fully scalable data copying engine | 15:47 |
| ganso | s/patches/patch | 15:47 |
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| ganso | if nobody uses Data Service and Migration is still experimental in Mitaka, then nothing is affected | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | okay I wanted to move onto the next topic | 15:49 |
| bswartz | #topic Snapshot manage/unmanage | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | I was hoping xyang would suggest this as a midcycle topic so we could have discussed it last week | 15:50 |
| bswartz | since she isn't here, I just wanted to point it out | 15:50 |
| bswartz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249542 | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | this is a feature we discussed back in liberty | 15:51 |
| bswartz | it's an extension to the manage/unmanage share feature to allow handling of snapshots as well | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | I hope we can make this feature part of mitaka too | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | since xyang isn't here I guess we don't need to say anything else unless there are questions about it | 15:52 |
| cknight | In principle, this seems like a useful feature, although it had its detractors on the Cinder side. I'd like to understand how this will work with snapshots of replicated shares. | 15:52 |
| bswartz | cknight: well you can manage a replicated share can you? | 15:53 |
| bswartz | perhaps you can unmanage one | 15:53 |
| bswartz | but only if there are no snapshots | 15:53 |
| cknight | bswartz: I'm merely pointing out that merging this feature now adds more technical debt with feature interoperability. | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: you could, but the replication isn't initiated up by manila though.. so it wouldn't know about any existing replicas.. | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr: I'm referring to managing an share and using a share_type with replication=True | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | for that to succeed, the driver would need a TON of code to find and validate the existing replicas | 15:56 |
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| cknight | bswartz: Rather than merging yet another feature, I'd prefer to see us make the ones we already have work together, including share manage/unmanage. | 15:56 |
| bswartz | fortunately the driver is free to simply fail in that case | 15:56 |
| dustins | cknight: +1 | 15:57 |
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| ganso | cknight: +1 | 15:58 |
| bswartz | cknight: I don't see how this makes things any worse -- manage/unmanage is an optional feature | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | drivers that choose to implement it can do so and add value in that use case | 15:58 |
| dustins | As a side note, is there a place where I can see the required and optional features for a driver? | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | dustins: yes! | 15:59 |
| cknight | dustins: Yes, there's a doc in devref for that. | 15:59 |
| bswartz | okay we're out of time | 15:59 |
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| vponomaryov | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/manila/devref/driver_requirements.html | 15:59 |
| bswartz | no time for open discussion even | 15:59 |
| dustins | vponomaryov: Thanks! | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | continue the snapshot manage/unmanage discussion in the gerrit review | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | thanks all | 16:00 |
| cknight | bswartz: ok | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss L7 feature (and review) timeline re: Mitaka (sbalukoff) (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 21 16:00:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-01-21-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-01-21-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-01-21-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 21 16:00:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:00 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:00 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:00 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:00 |
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| mattymo | hi! | 16:00 |
| jaranovich | hi! | 16:00 |
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| yottatsa | o/ | 16:00 |
| alex_didenko | hey | 16:00 |
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| romcheg | o/ | 16:00 |
| asvechnikov_ | hi | 16:00 |
| monester | hi | 16:00 |
| SheenaG | o? | 16:00 |
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| SheenaG | o/ | 16:01 |
| dpyzhov | hi | 16:01 |
| dbilunov | o/ | 16:01 |
| maximov | hi | 16:01 |
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| holser_ | o/ | 16:01 |
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| ashtokolov | o/ | 16:01 |
| aglarendil | \o/ | 16:01 |
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| xarses | good morning // afternoon // evening // night folks | 16:01 |
| mihgen | hi | 16:01 |
| mwhahaha | hi | 16:01 |
| zynzel | hello | 16:01 |
| holser_ | +1 | 16:01 |
| angdraug | o/ | 16:01 |
| rvyalov | hi | 16:02 |
| fzhadaev | Hi! | 16:02 |
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| xarses | #topic Action items from last meeting | 16:02 |
| gouthamr | helllo! | 16:02 |
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| xarses | pyzhov will announce changes in swarm-blocker tag - done | 16:02 |
| xarses | vkramskikh will raise topic in ML about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/261229/ - done | 16:02 |
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| xenolog13 | \~/ | 16:02 |
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| warpc | hi! | 16:03 |
| xarses | thanks for being on top of the action items | 16:03 |
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| xarses | #topic Telco Team Status (fzhadaev) | 16:03 |
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| fzhadaev | Fuel Telco Team Status: | 16:03 |
| fzhadaev | 1. Primary activity is fixing of bugs | 16:03 |
| fzhadaev | In progress: 6 | 16:03 |
| fzhadaev | Done: 7 | 16:03 |
| fzhadaev | 2. According to 9.0 we've started scoping a few NFV-related features. For now we have only started the work on the features so don't have blueprints yet. | 16:03 |
| fzhadaev | That's all. Any questions? | 16:03 |
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| maximov | what NFV features did you start to scope? | 16:04 |
| xarses | so you dont even know which you are working on? | 16:04 |
| yottatsa | NFV + Workload optimization initiative is currently driven by dklenov. It provides huge pages, CPU pinning, SR-IOV for Fuel 9.0 on Mitaka and Kilo, and DPDK on Mitaka. | 16:05 |
| fzhadaev | maximov: NUMA and CPU Pinning, Huge Pages, ect... | 16:05 |
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| yottatsa | xenolog and me are working on gathering requirements for UI and fuel-python teams. Estimates and specs will be ready by the end of this week. | 16:05 |
| yottatsa | We have some limitations for it | 16:05 |
| maximov | fzhadaev do you work with yottatsa on this? | 16:05 |
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| SheenaG | yottatsa: for NFV features, there should be no UI work in Mitaka | 16:06 |
| fzhadaev | maximov: I'm working with dklenov :) | 16:06 |
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| maximov | SheenaG: sure? because Greg wanted to see everything in UI | 16:06 |
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| xarses | SheenaG: isn't that about being able to put attributes on nodes? | 16:07 |
| SheenaG | maximov: I'll take it up with Greg - it's not a hard requirement AFAIK and I think it's unlikely we'll get UI done since scoping hasn't even started for API/CLI | 16:07 |
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| SheenaG | xarses: wat | 16:07 |
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| xarses | we need node attributes to target nodes for NFV features | 16:07 |
| xarses | like this node nic 0-3 is SR-IOV dedicated | 16:08 |
| angdraug | xarses: some nodes or all nodes in an env? | 16:08 |
| SheenaG | angdraug: some nodes I believe | 16:08 |
| xarses | angdraug: portion of nodes | 16:08 |
| maximov | SheenaG: ok, if we can remove UI requirements from NFV features for mitake it will simplify our implementation of course | 16:08 |
| SheenaG | xarses: yes, that sounds right - but my understanding was that CLI was the initial plan of attack | 16:08 |
| xarses | ok, lets follow up offline | 16:09 |
| SheenaG | maximov: I'll argue with Greg and get back to you | 16:09 |
| maximov | SheenaG: yes, I agree with, we can start with CLI | 16:09 |
| yottatsa | angdraug xarses: we assume that HW acceleration like SR-IOV or DPDK will be NIC attribute in interface configuration | 16:09 |
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| xarses | yes, I assume that's what we need from the UI | 16:09 |
| xarses | lets follow up offline and move to the next topic | 16:10 |
| angdraug | lets move on and leave an action for SheenaG to report back next week | 16:10 |
| xarses | #topic Mixed Team Status (zynzel / bkupidura) | 16:10 |
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| SheenaG | angdraug: thanks | 16:10 |
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| xarses | #action SheenaG will follow up with GregE regarding desired UI elements from NFV features work in 9 | 16:11 |
| zynzel | Mixed team was working mostly on bug fixing and review. We fixed a few bug connected to features delivered in 7.0 and 8.0 (reduced footprint, advanced config). For now we have | 16:11 |
| zynzel | only two high bugs. https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug1524978 which can be tricky because it is connected to upstream qemu-kvm package. MOS-linux (Dmitry Teselkin) team already working on it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuuel/+bug/1535754 Alex Zvyagintsev and Viacheslav Valyavskiy is working on it, probably connected to https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1518306 but still under investigat | 16:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1535754 in Fuel for OpenStack 8.0.x "[Reduced footprint] Provisioning on KVM fail with "MCollective agents 'uploadfile' '9' didn't respond within the allotted time."" [High,Confirmed] | 16:11 |
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| openstack | Launchpad bug 1518306 in Fuel for OpenStack "Mcollective can be restarted after the deployment was started" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Artem Roma (aroma-x) | 16:11 |
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| zynzel | ion. | 16:11 |
| zynzel | questions? | 16:11 |
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| zynzel | https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1524978 | 16:12 |
| zynzel | missing '/' from link, sorry. | 16:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1524978 in Fuel for OpenStack mitaka "/usr/bin/generate_vms.sh: Could not access KVM kernel module: Permission denied" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Bartosz Kupidura (zynzel) | 16:12 |
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| angdraug | thanks for the update zynzel | 16:13 |
| angdraug | lets move on | 16:13 |
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| xarses | #topic Bugs team status (dpyzhov) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-bugs-status | 16:13 |
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| dpyzhov | hi | 16:13 |
| dpyzhov | we've moved all medium/low bugs to 9.0 | 16:13 |
| dpyzhov | And actually started to work on them | 16:14 |
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| dpyzhov | But most of the team is focused on 8.0 bugs | 16:14 |
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| dpyzhov | We have several blockers that are in progress | 16:14 |
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| holser_ | What about high and critical? | 16:15 |
| angdraug | dpyzhov: the etherpad shows combined 8.0/9.0 numbers right? | 16:15 |
| dpyzhov | There are about 50 bugs in 8.0 that are high/crit | 16:15 |
| dpyzhov | no, etherpad is only about 8.0 | 16:15 |
| dpyzhov | This is our main focus right now | 16:15 |
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| mihgen | are we converging by HCF? | 16:16 |
| xarses | how is the burn down rate for 8.0? | 16:16 |
| angdraug | hm, if it includes only 8.0, what are the 12 Medium/Low bugs in Python & Library? | 16:16 |
| dpyzhov | There are 100 medium/low bugs in python for 9.0 | 16:16 |
| mihgen | do we expect lots of bugs to come .. ? | 16:16 |
| dpyzhov | and 50 in library | 16:16 |
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| dpyzhov | angdraug: infra run autotargeting script today | 16:17 |
| angdraug | we're down 16 high/critical bugs since last week, that gives us 4 weeks before we come down to zero at that rate | 16:17 |
| dpyzhov | I've already moved that medium out of 8.0 | 16:17 |
| dpyzhov | we still expect new bugs | 16:17 |
| dpyzhov | our acceptance testing will be finished at the HCF | 16:17 |
| dpyzhov | so before that time we will get new bugs | 16:18 |
| dpyzhov | But bugs income is less than our expectation | 16:18 |
| angdraug | and we have 3 weeks left until HCF, so looks like we're still at risk of missing it, though not by much | 16:18 |
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| angdraug | dpyzhov monester: is autotargeting script still mis-labeling bugs? | 16:19 |
| dpyzhov | well, about 50% of reports are really not bugs | 16:19 |
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| dpyzhov | maybe 40% ) it's my feeling, I didn't get real numbers | 16:19 |
| angdraug | ok, many more topics to cover, lets move on? | 16:20 |
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| dpyzhov | ok for me | 16:20 |
| mattymo | a lot of duplicates coming through as well | 16:21 |
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| dpyzhov | I guess by HCF we'll take every bug and decide if we really need it to be in 8.0 | 16:21 |
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| dpyzhov | at the moment we are trying to fix as much as we can | 16:22 |
| * angdraug prods xarses | 16:22 | |
| xarses | yep, lets move along | 16:22 |
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| xarses | #topic UI team status (jaranovich) | 16:22 |
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| jaranovich | Hi! This week we've fixed 2 High bugs for 8.0 (last bugs, I hope), resolved some tech debt and are starting our work on 9.0 features. Here is the list of tasks we're going to deliver in 9.0: | 16:22 |
| jaranovich | 1) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/converge-to-eslint-config-openstack - we're community project and we have to switch to OpenStack style of coding for JavaScript. This week we were mostly busy with this blueprint and are going to finish it next week. | 16:22 |
| jaranovich | 2) Role panel redesign (no blueprint yet) - we're going to beautify our role panel. Currently it takes 1 screen on my laptop just to display the core list of roles. | 16:22 |
| jaranovich | 3) UI for advanced settings feature (no blueprint yet) - advansed settings feature is going to be delivered in 8.0, but it will be available via CLI only. We're going to implement UI for it. | 16:22 |
| jaranovich | We expect some more features to be delivered in 9.0, but we cannot start the work on it now: | 16:22 |
| jaranovich | 1) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/remove-vendor-code - waiting for infra | 16:22 |
| jaranovich | 2) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/separate-fuel-ui-repo - waiting for implementation of cross-repo tests and merge of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260367/ | 16:22 |
| jaranovich | 3) NFV features - waiting for breaking down of the stories - it's not clear yet what needs to be done in UI. | 16:22 |
| jaranovich | Questions? | 16:22 |
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| mihgen | great report jaranovich, very clear, thanks! | 16:23 |
| SheenaG | Is there anyone here from infra who can comment on the status of the new repos? | 16:24 |
| jaranovich | mihgen: thank you) | 16:24 |
| xarses | jaranovich: please add me to the role's blueprint when it's ready | 16:24 |
| angdraug | rvyalov: bookwar_ ^ | 16:24 |
| jaranovich | xarses: sure! | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov | SheenaG: which repos are you talking about? | 16:25 |
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| SheenaG | kozhukalov: the downstream repos that unblock the ability to remove vendor code from Fuel UI codebase | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | do you mean separating UI from fuel-web? | 16:25 |
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| bookwar_ | repos created, and we sync code there | 16:25 |
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| bookwar_ | but we don't have a usage scenario for them yet | 16:26 |
| bookwar_ | no policy defined | 16:26 |
| SheenaG | bookwar_: can teams commit vendor specific code there, or this is waiting on the usage scenario/policy? | 16:26 |
| bookwar_ | they can commit the code, but we need to understand who should be responsible to merge it | 16:26 |
| angdraug | commiting code without policy? that would be anarchy :P | 16:27 |
| bookwar_ | and how ci should work for it | 16:27 |
| xarses | lets follow up on the ML then | 16:27 |
| mihgen | I would not imply any restrictions, I'd suggest to just discuss in ML once questions appears | 16:27 |
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| angdraug | mihgen: by any restrictions you mean, same permissions as for current fuel-web repo? | 16:28 |
| angdraug | s/permissions/ACLs/ | 16:28 |
| xarses | #action SheenaG bookwar will follow up on creating a scenario/policy for vendor specific code | 16:28 |
| angdraug | I think that keeping the same ACLs would be a sane default | 16:28 |
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| SheenaG | 2 action items! Sweet! | 16:29 |
| xarses | winner winner chicken dinner! | 16:29 |
| xarses | #topic UCA Mitaka status (mattymo) | 16:29 |
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| mattymo | Hi all! | 16:29 |
| mattymo | With https://github.com/mwhahaha/fuel-plugin-upstream and https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:puppet-mitaka , we are able to deploy Mitaka using UCA and upstream manifests. There are some minor adaptations to top level puppet code, but every change is compatible back to Liberty. | 16:29 |
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| mattymo | The only noteworthy change is the removal of EC2 Nova API, which means a bit of haproxy service renaming. | 16:29 |
| mattymo | I was strongly hoping to get a passed BVT ready for you all today, but yesterday we were blocked by merge conflicts and rebasing, and today we are blocked by a critical bug blocking ISO build, https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1536608 | 16:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1536608 in Fuel for OpenStack "Community ISO 9.0 build fails with errors about nginx container" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Stanislaw Bogatkin (sbogatkin) | 16:29 |
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| ogelbukh | hi mattymo | 16:29 |
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| xarses | mattymo: so, no update on the ML front yet? | 16:30 |
| mattymo | I should note that I was able to deploy start-to-finish by hand yesterday with a custom ISO (plus 1 patch applied by hand) without any issues, plus pass OSTF | 16:30 |
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| mattymo | I can't technically write an email until I can get a BVT passed.... | 16:30 |
| xarses | ok | 16:30 |
| angdraug | https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1536608 has a fix on review: https://review.openstack.org/270859 | 16:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1536608 in Fuel for OpenStack "Community ISO 9.0 build fails with errors about nginx container" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Stanislaw Bogatkin (sbogatkin) | 16:30 |
| mattymo | unless you want me to be untruthy | 16:30 |
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| mihgen | let's push this one forward! | 16:31 |
| mattymo | angdraug, we're aggressively testing the fixes | 16:31 |
| xarses | cool, glad to see this making progress | 16:31 |
| xarses | #topic Upgrades team status (ogelbukh) | 16:31 |
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| mihgen | I'm looking forward for good news :) | 16:31 |
| ogelbukh | we're working on this spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252376/ | 16:32 |
| ogelbukh | both backup and restore functions are in review | 16:32 |
| ogelbukh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267086/ | 16:32 |
| ogelbukh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267702/ | 16:32 |
| ogelbukh | expect backup in QA tomorrow, and restore on Monday | 16:33 |
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| angdraug | hm, can you test backup without restore? | 16:33 |
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| ogelbukh | we also run some tests in scale lab for upgrade to 7.0 | 16:33 |
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| ogelbukh | angdraug: yes, the procedure and contents of archive | 16:33 |
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| ogelbukh | results from scale lab I will try to get as a whitepaper of a kind | 16:34 |
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| ogelbukh | and we also work on configdb | 16:34 |
| ogelbukh | now it has basic put/get and we integrate it with nailgun and deployment | 16:35 |
| ogelbukh | to get a PoC for the external node classifier use case | 16:35 |
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| ogelbukh | guess that's all from my side | 16:35 |
| angdraug | great, thank! | 16:36 |
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| xarses | thanks, do we have the configdb code up on review? | 16:36 |
| angdraug | thanks, even :) | 16:36 |
| ogelbukh | xarses: in Mirantis Gerrit yet | 16:37 |
| angdraug | ogelbukh: why? | 16:37 |
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| ogelbukh | angdraug: it's still early PoC | 16:37 |
| angdraug | not a good reason :/ | 16:37 |
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| xarses | ok lets move on | 16:38 |
| ogelbukh | ah, sorry | 16:38 |
| ogelbukh | mirantis github | 16:38 |
| ogelbukh | https://github.com/Mirantis/tuning-box | 16:38 |
| angdraug | ogelbukh: please move it review.openstack.org | 16:38 |
| ogelbukh | angdraug: k, will start moving | 16:38 |
| xarses | #topic Team network status (alex_didenko) | 16:38 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Team network status (alex_didenko) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:38 | |
| alex_didenko | Network team is working on bugfixing mostly. All needed system tests are completed and are running under swarm runner (thread_7). | 16:38 |
| alex_didenko | We're also involved in NFV + Workload optimization story research. | 16:38 |
| alex_didenko | We're still discussing problem of VIPs autoallocation for multi-rack environments, so if you're interested in this subject please feel free to participate: | 16:38 |
| alex_didenko | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/084182.html | 16:38 |
| alex_didenko | We're also working on external LB support, it's going to be implemented as Fuel plugin. I'm finalizing the work on plugin. Right now I'm able to deploy multirack with external LB and controllers in different racks with Fuel-8.0 + external-loadbalancer plugin + manual fix for LP#1524320. | 16:38 |
| xarses | #action ogelbukh will start moving configdb code over to openstack | 16:39 |
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| alex_didenko | That's it as for out status | 16:39 |
| alex_didenko | *our | 16:39 |
| mihgen | alex_didenko: any blueprints for 9.0 .. ? | 16:39 |
| angdraug | alex_didenko: is manual fix for the external LP bug going to get automated? | 16:40 |
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| angdraug | err, external LB... | 16:40 |
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| alex_didenko | Moved from 8.0 to 9.0 | 16:40 |
| alex_didenko | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/allow-any-vip | 16:40 |
| alex_didenko | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/dhcp-vips | 16:40 |
| alex_didenko | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/selective-default-gateway-net | 16:40 |
| alex_didenko | Planned for 9.0 | 16:40 |
| alex_didenko | (drafting, driven by sbogatkin) Selective SSL support in UI. | 16:40 |
| alex_didenko | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/multi-rack-with-dynamic-routing | 16:40 |
| alex_didenko | angdraug: that fix is not for external LB, it's about 500 internal server from nailgun error when controller are moved to different racks | 16:41 |
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| xarses | ok, moving? | 16:42 |
| mihgen | ok thanks | 16:42 |
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| angdraug | yup, lets move | 16:42 |
| xarses | #topic Enhancements Team status (ashtokolov) | 16:42 |
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| ashtokolov | We are working on Basic LifeCycle Management for 9.0 | 16:43 |
| ashtokolov | Main goals: | 16:43 |
| ashtokolov | 1. Enable task-based deployment engine as a default | 16:43 |
| ashtokolov | 2. Allow user to gracefully stop Deployment and further restart it | 16:43 |
| ashtokolov | 3. Ensure that deployment Tasks in Fuel are idempotent | 16:43 |
| ashtokolov | 4. Allow users to use "Settings" tab and rerun deployment Tasks on already deployed clusters | 16:43 |
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| ashtokolov | 5. Improve UX of Fuel Plugins in post-deployment stage | 16:43 |
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| ashtokolov | Questions? | 16:45 |
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| xarses | can we also fix the single deployment_tasks.yaml requirement and switch it back to what we support for library, tasks.yaml anywhere in the deployment folder | 16:45 |
| angdraug | xarses: bug #? | 16:46 |
| ashtokolov | xarses we are going to remove tasks.yaml from plugins v5 for 9.0 | 16:46 |
| xarses | I have to create one | 16:46 |
| xarses | tasks.yaml? | 16:46 |
| xarses | or deployment_tasks.yaml? | 16:46 |
| ashtokolov | yes tasks.yaml | 16:46 |
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| mattymo | ashtokolov, +100. We needed that for a while already | 16:47 |
| ashtokolov | this file contains old format of tasks | 16:47 |
| xarses | ok, that will enable us so we go back to the fuel-library way of parsing then | 16:47 |
| ashtokolov | And only deployment_tasks.yaml contains granular tasks | 16:47 |
| xarses | ok, lets move | 16:48 |
| xarses | #topic automation of MAINTAINERS file: current status and feedback (monester) | 16:48 |
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| monester | We lauched auto-add-reviews job 2 weeks ago. This job adding reviewers automatically based on content of maintainers file. Job is working perfectly well (already >3000 times) if there is no errors in maintainers file. Do you have any feedback for the script? Maybe you have faced problems with the script? | 16:48 |
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| angdraug | any feedback for monester anyone? mihgen? | 16:49 |
| xarses | none, that I have noticed | 16:49 |
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| mihgen | ikalnitsky: holser_ Core reviewers - do you see a decrease in load? | 16:49 |
| holser_ | well | 16:49 |
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| holser_ | kind of | 16:49 |
| ikalnitsky | mihgen: yeah, i think i see. | 16:49 |
| xarses | it looks awesome for it to go off automatically | 16:49 |
| ikalnitsky | probably because of holidays.. but this days i see less stale reviews | 16:50 |
| mihgen | holser_: kind of.. ?) let's sync offline tomorrow on this, I hope script will help to significantly reduce a load to core reviewers :) | 16:50 |
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| mihgen | if it doesn't, then may be we don't have enough maintainers | 16:50 |
| holser_ | ok | 16:51 |
| mihgen | thanks monester for implementation / run of a script! | 16:51 |
| holser_ | let’s follow up tomorrow | 16:51 |
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| monester | thx | 16:51 |
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| angdraug | moving on? | 16:51 |
| xarses | #topic NFV status (veremin aka yottatsa) | 16:51 |
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| angdraug | hm, deja vu | 16:51 |
| yottatsa | as I've told ealier estimates and specs will be ready by the end of this week. | 16:51 |
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| xarses | erm ya | 16:52 |
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| xarses | anything we didn't already talk about? | 16:52 |
| yottatsa | Right now we run into next limitations: for HUGE we will use 2048KB preallocated pages, for CPU pinning we are planning to provide mechanisms to reserve cores for system and dpdk, SR-IOV and DPDK interfaces will be limited to VLAN segmentation, and interfaces will be used for private traffic only. | 16:52 |
| yottatsa | Those features requires fresh and modified packages (qemu-kvm, libvirt and openvswitch) to be provided, it would be yes as soon as all of it will be builded by dteselkin. | 16:52 |
| angdraug | summit is coming | 16:52 |
| xarses | yottatsa: are we going to be able to change the amount of reserved cores based on the role? i.e. ceph needs some cores if it's an OSD role | 16:53 |
| angdraug | please start thinking about and proposing topics to discuss there | 16:53 |
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| angdraug | oops thought we're already into open discussion ) | 16:53 |
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| yottatsa | xarses right now we're going to reserve cores for at least DPDK EPM | 16:53 |
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| angdraug | dteselkin: around? do you have an ETA for updated qemu, libvirt, and ovs? | 16:54 |
| xarses | ok, keep in mind we will want to extend it | 16:54 |
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| yottatsa | seems that "accelerated" nodes will be not recommend to place another kinds of workloads | 16:54 |
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| xarses | #topic open discuss | 16:54 |
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| yottatsa | ovs and qemu is already built | 16:54 |
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| yottatsa | libvirt is in progress AFAIK | 16:55 |
| mihgen | about summit - I'd suggest to discuss HA / reference architectures, joined talks with puppet-openstack team | 16:55 |
| mihgen | multirack deployment in particular | 16:55 |
| angdraug | I think configdb is important to bring up, too | 16:55 |
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| angdraug | and running fuel-qa on nodepool | 16:56 |
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| xarses | there is a proposal out for multirack | 16:57 |
| angdraug | well don't all speak at once :) | 16:57 |
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| xarses | and for working on the reference arch | 16:57 |
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| xarses | apparently we are all afraid of public speaking | 16:58 |
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| angdraug | I know I am, but I am learning to control that fear :) | 16:58 |
| angdraug | ok, time to close | 16:59 |
| xarses | thanks all | 16:59 |
| angdraug | thanks | 16:59 |
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| xarses | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 21 16:59:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-01-21-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-01-21-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-01-21-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| elmiko | hi | 17:01 |
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| dg_ | hey | 17:01 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:01 |
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| browne | o/ | 17:01 |
| mdong | o/ | 17:01 |
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| elmiko | #startmeeting security | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 21 17:02:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:02 |
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| bknudson | hi | 17:02 |
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| elmiko | hey all | 17:02 |
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| LukeH | hi | 17:02 |
| sicarie | o/ | 17:02 |
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| elmiko | haven't talked with hyakuhei, not sure what's on the agenda. so let's gather some topics | 17:03 |
| elmiko | i'd like to discuss sec-doc | 17:03 |
| dg_ | threat analysis :D | 17:03 |
| tkelsey | bandit 1.0 pls :) | 17:03 |
| elmiko | i'm guessing we should get status for bandit and anchor? | 17:03 |
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| elmiko | ack, threat analysis | 17:03 |
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| elmiko | ossp outreach | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 17:04 |
| michaelxin | hi | 17:04 |
| michaelxin | sorry I am late | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:04 |
| elmiko | no prob, we're still gathering topics | 17:04 |
| elmiko | #chair tmcpeak | 17:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: elmiko tmcpeak | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | hey elmiko, thanks for starting! :) | 17:05 |
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| elmiko | syntribos status? | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | was in another meeting and got distracted | 17:05 |
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| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ossp-meeting-agenda-2016-01-21 | 17:05 |
| elmiko | i'm adding agenda items there ^^ | 17:05 |
| michaelxin | elmiko: sure | 17:06 |
| elmiko | please add an item if you'd like to discuss it =) | 17:06 |
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| dg_ | lgtm | 17:06 |
| elmiko | ok then, | 17:06 |
| elmiko | #topic sec doc | 17:06 |
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| michaelxin | feedback for mid-cycle | 17:06 |
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| elmiko | i wanted to highlight this review | 17:07 |
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| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258846/ | 17:07 |
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| elmiko | sicarie, i think that review is proving troublesome and we could use a few more eyes on it | 17:07 |
| sicarie | ack | 17:07 |
| sicarie | I don't have many free cycles for hte next 10 days, but I'll make sure I hit that one | 17:07 |
| elmiko | thanks | 17:07 |
| elmiko | any other specific updates for the guide? | 17:08 |
| bknudson | are there docs that say that :file: is deprecated? | 17:08 |
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| bknudson | they should be linked in the commit message | 17:08 |
| nkinder | Hi all. Sorry I'm late. | 17:08 |
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| tmcpeak | hey nkinder good to see you | 17:09 |
| elmiko | bknudson: yea... agreed about linking it in | 17:09 |
| mvaldes | can we break that into smaller patches, like Ian suggested? | 17:09 |
| elmiko | mvaldes: i hope so, but please add your comments on the review =) | 17:09 |
| elmiko | hi nkinder ! | 17:09 |
| mvaldes | oh yea.. that's how it works :) | 17:09 |
| elmiko | hehe | 17:09 |
| elmiko | sicarie: any other updates for the guide? | 17:09 |
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| sicarie | not at the moment | 17:10 |
| elmiko | k | 17:10 |
| elmiko | #topic midcycle feedback/review | 17:10 |
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| elmiko | (should have started with this) | 17:10 |
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| tmcpeak | thanks all for everybody that attended! | 17:10 |
| elmiko | so, midcyclers, how did it go? =) | 17:10 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | you should know, you were on a huge screen for most of it! | 17:10 |
| elmiko | >.< | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | all hail the dark lord elmiko | 17:11 |
| elmiko | yea, but i missed all the fun stuff | 17:11 |
| ccneill | sorry I didn't get to meet more of you in person! stupid allergies/cold/whatever/voice-eating-monster | 17:11 |
| elmiko | hahaha | 17:11 |
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| elmiko | ccneill: =( | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | we got a ton of stuff done, RAX was an awesome host | 17:11 |
| elmiko | sweet | 17:11 |
| mvaldes | i learned a lot | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | so I guess for those that attended - what went well and what should we do better next time? | 17:11 |
| elmiko | any feedback about things that worked well or could be improved? | 17:11 |
| elmiko | jinx | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | :D | 17:11 |
| michaelxin | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:11 |
| browne | i have no complaints | 17:12 |
| tkelsey | rackspace was a really good host, many thanks rackers! | 17:12 |
| michaelxin | Collaboration with Baribican is good | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | I'd say our unconference style continues to be productive | 17:12 |
| michaelxin | tkelsey: Anytime | 17:12 |
| tkelsey | :) | 17:12 |
| mvaldes | our pleasure! it was a good time | 17:12 |
| michaelxin | Tim's deep dive into bandit is great | 17:12 |
| elmiko | michaelxin: yea, it seemed like having ossp and barbican together was very useful | 17:12 |
| elmiko | redrobot ^^ | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | yeah it seems like we've got a few new Bandit contributers now, which is always awesome | 17:12 |
| bknudson | We've got keystone meetup next week and I'm hoping we'll do the unconference. | 17:12 |
| redrobot | o/ | 17:13 |
| tkelsey | michaelxin: thanks :) | 17:13 |
| michaelxin | Major's demonstration is cool too. | 17:13 |
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| elmiko | unconference does seem to work well for us | 17:13 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: yeah looks like :) | 17:13 |
| elmiko | redrobot: no worries =) | 17:13 |
| michaelxin | We might need to come with more deliverables during planning stage. | 17:13 |
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| tmcpeak | michaelxin: elaborate please? | 17:13 |
| elmiko | michaelxin: would you mind expanding on that a little | 17:13 |
| elmiko | haha | 17:13 |
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| elmiko | tmcpeak: GET OUT OF MY MIND!!! | 17:14 |
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| elmiko | ;) | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | :# | 17:14 |
| michaelxin | Say, we talk about outreach or anchor. | 17:14 |
| redrobot | I agree, unconference format was awesome. Totally stole the idea for Barbican too. | 17:14 |
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| tmcpeak | it's contagious! | 17:14 |
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| michaelxin | What did we accomplish during mid-cycle for these topics? | 17:15 |
| michaelxin | For some topics, we talked a lot but there is no action items | 17:15 |
| michaelxin | no follow up. | 17:15 |
| elmiko | michaelxin: is it a case of needing better note taking during those sessions, or just making more firm plans? | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: you mean like a status report afterwards? | 17:15 |
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| mvaldes | to michaelxin point, i had to think pretty hard to list out what we achieved. it would be good to have some goals going in, and some defined tasks on the way out | 17:15 |
| tkelsey | michaelxin: good point | 17:15 |
| elmiko | this is good feedback | 17:15 |
| tkelsey | elmiko: +1 | 17:15 |
| browne | where did all of the pictures from the midcycle end up? | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | mvaldes, michaelxin yeah hyakuhei, tkelsey and I had to do some for HP also. Maybe we could pool efforts next time at the end to come up with a master list | 17:16 |
| elmiko | browne: i think michaelxin has them on google somewhere... | 17:16 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:16 |
| michaelxin | browne: it is in google photos. | 17:16 |
| mvaldes | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:16 |
| tkelsey | browne: I think hyakuhei had some | 17:16 |
| ccneill | what I suggested (as the only person who wasn't actually there) was maybe coming up with sort of "user acceptance criteria" for each topic, and then we can use that as a checklist | 17:16 |
| michaelxin | https://goo.gl/photos/BaWfnFKSc8NtuYia8 | 17:16 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: certainly would make reporting back easier for all participants | 17:16 |
| ccneill | so we don't have to duplicate effort (i.e. "we'll do this" and then "we did this") | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | Rob and I have SuperUser post in the works about it too | 17:16 |
| browne | oh ok, will those make it into the blog? | 17:17 |
| elmiko | ccneill: nice idea | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: yeah definitely | 17:17 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: sweet, +1 | 17:17 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool, good points, so next time we'll pool efforts on the post mortem :) | 17:17 |
| michaelxin | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:17 |
| elmiko | maybe something for the last day session, a recap/review type of breakdown | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | yep, sounds legit | 17:18 |
| michaelxin | browne: Did you see the pictures? | 17:18 |
| browne | michaelxin: yep thx | 17:18 |
| elmiko | #info having a post-mortem of the midcycle would be very useful for participants | 17:18 |
| michaelxin | cool | 17:18 |
| browne | so what's the status of the blog? | 17:18 |
| elmiko | #topic blog | 17:18 |
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| tmcpeak | it's up, Rob's got a couple of posts in the works | 17:19 |
| browne | oh cool | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | anybody that wants to contribute please do, should be pretty easy | 17:19 |
| dg_ | http://openstack-security.github.io/ | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | write in MD, name it in a format that github.io understands and gtg | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | #chair hyakuhei_ | 17:19 |
| openstack | Current chairs: elmiko hyakuhei_ tmcpeak | 17:19 |
| elmiko | #link http://openstack-security.github.io | 17:19 |
| elmiko | thanks dg_ | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei_ | Hey, sorry I’m late, #lifeboat things | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei_ | ooer | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | all good man | 17:19 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei_: np, and hey =) | 17:19 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei_: agenda started here, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ossp-meeting-agenda-2016-01-21 | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei_ | So those blogs are obviously a work in progress, they’ve not been shared anywhere yet and perhaps we can keep it that way fora a little while :) | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei_ | Excellent thank you elmiko, tmcpeak | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei_ | Please continue, I’m enjoying this waltzing in late and having things already being done :) | 17:20 |
| elmiko | hehe | 17:20 |
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| mvaldes | is there a good way for us to collaborate on the blog posts? | 17:21 |
| elmiko | ok, any other updates on the blog? | 17:21 |
| mvaldes | (if needed) | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | mvaldes: maybe etherpad? | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei_ | well, it’s github, and it’s under an org | 17:21 |
| elmiko | mvaldes: i'm guessing patches to the repo would be acceptable | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei_ | so let me know your nick and I can add you there | 17:21 |
| tkelsey | im going to blog some stuff soon | 17:21 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei_ | Yeah, so direct pull requests are welcome. | 17:21 |
| michaelxin | jqxin2006 | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei_ | I’d also like to consider using gerrithub perhaps | 17:21 |
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| hyakuhei_ | I tried reviewable but it made me hate life | 17:22 |
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| elmiko | haha | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei_ | michaelxin: I’ll add you to the openstack-security org now. | 17:22 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei_: Thanks. | 17:22 |
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| mvaldes | hyakuhei_: mattvaldes | 17:22 |
| mvaldes | :) thanks | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei_ | The blogs are stored/authored here: https://github.com/openstack-security/openstack-security.github.io | 17:22 |
| wayward710 | Thanks! | 17:23 |
| elmiko | anything else on this topic? | 17:23 |
| michaelxin | We are creating an internal blog | 17:23 |
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| michaelxin | and a external blog about mid-cycle | 17:23 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:23 |
| michaelxin | it will be published soon. | 17:24 |
| michaelxin | I hope. :-) | 17:24 |
| wayward710 | That will be interesting to see, since I wasn't able to go to the meeting | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei_ | michaelxin: ok you’re added to the org (with RW on the blog) - anyone else? | 17:24 |
| elmiko | and we can all get ssh access to rackspaces internal network for the blog? ;) | 17:24 |
| tkelsey | me please | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei_ | Also please feel free to open pull requests for obviously good changes to the jekyll configuration etc | 17:24 |
| mvaldes | hyakuhei_: add mattvaldes please | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei_ | tkelsey: you’re already in the org | 17:25 |
| dg_ | lol | 17:25 |
| michaelxin | elmiko: I will mail you my RSA token | 17:25 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei_ | nice! | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei_ | mvaldes: added. | 17:25 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei_: ty | 17:25 |
| michaelxin | Both blogs should be same. :-) | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei_ | A likely story | 17:25 |
| elmiko | #info bug hyakuhei if you need access to the securit blog organization on github | 17:26 |
| elmiko | moving on | 17:26 |
| elmiko | #topic bandit | 17:26 |
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| elmiko | tkelsey, tmcpeak, updates? | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: roll it | 17:26 |
| tkelsey | ok, so we talked about 1.0 in the midcycle | 17:26 |
| tkelsey | we came up with some work items to make that happen, and now are pushing though them | 17:26 |
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| elmiko | cool | 17:27 |
| tkelsey | things like breaking out blacklists, fixing up test_set, profiles etc | 17:27 |
| tkelsey | there are a number of patches in review right now | 17:27 |
| tkelsey | so please take a look if your interested | 17:27 |
| tkelsey | I think the work items are on the eitherpad | 17:27 |
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| tkelsey | (if not i'll add them) | 17:28 |
| michaelxin | The link? | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | also of interest, Ryan_Lee from Lyft has a cool plugin in flight to try to find hardcoded creds using entropy analysis | 17:28 |
| bknudson | do you have a date for when you think 1.0 will be out? I'm wondering for timing purposes. | 17:28 |
| elmiko | i noticed that Ryan_Lane has suggested several interesting features in irc too, which is cool | 17:28 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:28 |
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| elmiko | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:28 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:28 |
| tkelsey | so thats Ober and Lyft using it :) | 17:28 |
| elmiko | some great conversations around bandit in irc recently | 17:28 |
| tkelsey | *uber | 17:28 |
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| mvaldes | bknudson: +1 | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | yeah looks like awesome stuff. And we love it when people contribute, especially those that aren't necessarily involved in OpenStack | 17:29 |
| elmiko | yea, totally kickass | 17:29 |
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| tkelsey | indeed :) its nice to see bandit having a wider impact | 17:29 |
| elmiko | any other updates? | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | so in light of all we know, how far out from 1.0 do you guys think we are? | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | I'd say a few months realistically | 17:29 |
| tkelsey | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-mitaka-midcycle | 17:29 |
| bknudson | some projects (e.g., glance) are blocking adding bandit since they want to wait for 1.0 | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | we should make sure 1.0 is really tight before we throw it up | 17:29 |
| tkelsey | it looks like the work items didnt make it on there, i'll add some blueprints for the ones that are not done yet | 17:30 |
| ccneill | question: is the new stripped-down config a 1.0 thing? or will that land before 1.0? | 17:30 |
| elmiko | bknudson: interesting | 17:30 |
| ccneill | (asking because designate wants to add bandit to their gate) | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: yeah, that's probably for the best at this point | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | ccneill: it's partly a thing, but none of that is on PyPI yet | 17:30 |
| tkelsey | ccneill: its sort of in master right now, but yeah its for 1.0 really | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | ccneill: if they get going with a config file we'll fix it for them once 1.0 lands | 17:30 |
| tkelsey | since thats the next version AFAK | 17:30 |
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| tmcpeak | tkelsey: no, we're going to have to do another version with the .bandit file as soon as that lands | 17:31 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 17:31 |
| tkelsey | OK, if that lands before the other 1.0 stuff. | 17:31 |
| michaelxin | nice | 17:31 |
| ccneill | tmcpeak, tkelsey : I'll ask them if they want to be on the bleeding edge or if they'd prefer to wait for 1.0 then | 17:32 |
| tkelsey | ccneill: cool, we are always happy to help out if needs be as well | 17:32 |
| michaelxin | ccneill: +1 | 17:32 |
| tkelsey | anyway, we got a load done on bandit and have had a lot of new interest as well. I'll put up some blueprints soon for the remaining 1.0 work | 17:33 |
| ccneill | cool cool, I'll sync up with them and report back | 17:33 |
| elmiko | tkelsey: awesome, +1 | 17:33 |
| tkelsey | in the mean time, please take a look at the patches in reivew :) | 17:33 |
| elmiko | very encouraging to see continued evolution in bandit | 17:33 |
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| tmcpeak | yep yep | 17:33 |
| elmiko | ok, moving along | 17:33 |
| tkelsey | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/bandit+status:open | 17:33 |
| elmiko | #topic anchor | 17:33 |
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| elmiko | dg_: any news here? | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei_ | Soooo | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei_ | There’s a few things that are interesting here | 17:34 |
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| hyakuhei_ | First off, I did bloggy things : http://localhost:3000/tooling/2016/01/20/ephemeral-pki.html | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei_ | lol | 17:34 |
| elmiko | hehe | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei_ | one sec, I’ll get a none local link | 17:34 |
| michaelxin | haha | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei_ | #link https://openstack-security.github.io/tooling/2016/01/20/ephemeral-pki.html | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei_ | … long day. | 17:34 |
| dg_ | lol | 17:35 |
| wayward710 | worked, thanks | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei_ | So that post’s a bit rambly at the moment, needs a bit of a tidy | 17:35 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei_: +1, looks awesome =) /me adds to reading list | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei_ | We’ve got a bunch of open bugs: https://openstack-security.github.io/tooling/2016/01/20/ephemeral-pki.html | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei_ | oh actually, everyone should watch that defcon 17 video, 35:20 is my fave altime security bug | 17:35 |
| dg_ | hyakuhei I'll have an edit. I de-typo'd your TA post | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei_ | excellent! | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei_: this is awesome | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei_ | Thanks tmcpeak I’m not very happy with it so please feel free to edit or send me comments | 17:36 |
| dg_ | love the cert revocation meme, cant believe I've not seen that in one of your presentations | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei_ | It didn’t exist until yesterday. | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei_ | That mozilla stuff was very interesting research | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | visually it's pretty good, I'll have a read through the content later :) | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei_ | anywhooo | 17:37 |
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| hyakuhei_ | The big code change at the moment is introducing CMC support in requests | 17:37 |
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| mvaldes | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei_ | #link https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5272 | 17:37 |
| wayward710 | Yeah, the cert revocation cat thing was great | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei_ | Thanks :) | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei_ | So Stan has a bunch of patches in flight for that to work | 17:37 |
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| dg_ | cool :) | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei_ | and then I want to go through a 1.0 plan just like Bandit did - i.e how to get there. | 17:38 |
| dg_ | +1 for 1.0 | 17:38 |
| elmiko | +1, nice | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei_ | and for you guys to perhaps take a look at how this might apply to your clouds | 17:38 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei_: +1 | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei_ | apart from you elmiko | 17:38 |
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| elmiko | whaaa? | 17:38 |
| ccneill | hyakuhei_: this looks good to me so far, will definitely watch the Moxie talk | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei_ | because we all know DOGTAG IS SUPERIOR! | 17:38 |
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| * dg_ drinks | 17:38 | |
| elmiko | haha | 17:38 |
| elmiko | i reserve the right to run anchor on my home cloud, tyvm ;) | 17:39 |
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| hyakuhei_ | Awww | 17:39 |
| michaelxin | I can follow up with Major to see the possibility with RPC | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/anchor+status:open | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei_ | Oh, I guess the only other thing to mention re: Anchor is cathead | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei_ | I landed this a few days back #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267762/ | 17:40 |
| elmiko | next nautical themed project name needs to be jibboom imo | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei_ | elmiko: +1 | 17:40 |
| elmiko | hehe | 17:40 |
| elmiko | i just like saying it | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei_ | So that’s basically a client side application for swapping out certificates, it’s a bit bare-bones but potentially an interesting thing to develop further | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei_ | I don’t have anything else on Anchor | 17:40 |
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| elmiko | cool, thanks hyakuhei_ , dg_ | 17:41 |
| elmiko | #topic threat analysis | 17:41 |
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| elmiko | dg_: how's it coming along? | 17:41 |
| bknudson | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN5Z8HDZSpg | 17:41 |
| elmiko | bknudson: HAHA | 17:41 |
| mvaldes | lol | 17:41 |
| tkelsey | lo; | 17:41 |
| elmiko | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220712/ | 17:41 |
| dg_ | elmiko thanks for the comments on the WIP stuff that I pushed up (its now marked as WIP to avoid confusion) | 17:41 |
| elmiko | cool, i know it's wip but i wanted to help out =) | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei_ | #link https://openstack-security.github.io/collaboration/2016/01/16/threat-analysis.html <- I blogged about that too, again not wonderful. | 17:42 |
| elmiko | oh man, you've been a blogging maniac ;) | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei_: the worlds leader in mediocre OpenStack security blogposts :P | 17:43 |
| dg_ | elmiko Yeah its super helpful, I've made a stack of changes, and have a whole bunch more to make. Right now trying to get the templates vaugely useful | 17:43 |
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| elmiko | dg_: sweet | 17:43 |
| wayward710 | For a newbie, these are very helpful | 17:43 |
| mvaldes | hyakuhei_: great start! | 17:43 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:43 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei_: i applaud your push for openness with these blogs too, +1 | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei_: this looks legit, your standards are too high | 17:43 |
| michaelxin | What's our plan here? | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | seriously TA one looks good to me, I say ship it | 17:44 |
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| elmiko | dg_, hyakuhei_, so i guess we'll just keep pushing on this review until it's ready for publishing? | 17:44 |
| dg_ | the TA Blog? +1 | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | I think people could get real benefit from reading this | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei_ | I’m expecting that after initial interest we’ll end up with 2-3 regular contributors | 17:44 |
| dg_ | elmiko yeah | 17:44 |
| elmiko | great, thanks | 17:44 |
| elmiko | everyone who is interested, please take a look at the review linked earlier | 17:44 |
| dg_ | elmiko hyakuhei was there any process documentation that came out of the mid-cycle? | 17:44 |
| michaelxin | https://openstack-security.github.io/collaboration/2016/01/16/threat-analysis.html | 17:45 |
| elmiko | dg_, not that i am aware of | 17:45 |
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| michaelxin | There was a picture. | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei_ | Yes but mainly captured in the etherpad/whiteboard | 17:45 |
| dg_ | ok cool | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei_ | and… in my mind :) | 17:45 |
| mvaldes | and heart | 17:45 |
| dg_ | I'll take a first attempt at turning the etherpad/whiteboard/yourmind into a document | 17:45 |
| elmiko | hehe | 17:45 |
| elmiko | dg_: that could be....dangerous | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei_ | Basically, instead of trying to write it all down we’re going to TA some things, applying and recording the process as we go | 17:46 |
| dg_ | ok cool | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei_ | Anchor is a nice easy project to start with. | 17:46 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei_: +1 | 17:46 |
| dg_ | fancy a TA for Anchor | 17:46 |
| dg_ | lol | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei_ | then Barbican and Keystone | 17:46 |
| dg_ | In that case tkelsey needs to crack on and document anchor like we agreed at techcon.... | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei_ | Mid-term goal is to get project maturity metrics associated with TA and Bandit-gates | 17:46 |
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| tkelsey | dg_: indeed | 17:46 |
| elmiko | i will most likely work towards something for sahara following what has been posted, but it will be in the late M3 timeframe | 17:46 |
| michaelxin | elmiko: +1 | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei_: if you'd like to do it for the blogpost I got most of the whiteboard for Barbican on draw.io | 17:47 |
| dg_ | tkelsey lets work together as neither of us has got around to it | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei_ | So that to get (6 of 6 - maybe) you need to meet all the security requirements: https://www.openstack.org/software/project-navigator/ | 17:47 |
| tkelsey | dg_: +1 will chat | 17:47 |
| dg_ | kk | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei_ | tmcpeak: excellent, we still need to decide on a drawing/graphing tool | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | yep yep | 17:47 |
| dg_ | mspaint :D | 17:47 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei_: have you started discussion with any of the TC or crossproject group yet? | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | always time for some good old tool bikeshedding | 17:48 |
| dg_ | +1 | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei_ | elmiko: no | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei_ | I wanted to have the TA process more refined first | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei_ | Then tell them about the idea | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei_ | then TA bandit and Keystone | 17:48 |
| elmiko | that makes way too much sense | 17:48 |
| elmiko | ;) | 17:48 |
| tkelsey | lol; | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei_ | use them as exemplars | 17:48 |
| elmiko | definitely | 17:48 |
| michaelxin | how can we help with TA process? | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei_ | and then push for adding it as a maturity metric | 17:48 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei_: s/bandit/Barbican/ | 17:49 |
| elmiko | and i think you mean s/bandit/anchor/ ? | 17:49 |
| elmiko | ah | 17:49 |
| tkelsey | or anchor :) | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei_ | s/bandit/barbican | 17:49 |
| elmiko | thanks | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei_ | anchor wil lcome earlier | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei_ | and Barbican/Keystone will be more convincing for the TC | 17:49 |
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| elmiko | definitely | 17:49 |
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| elmiko | having keystone almost seems like a must in my book | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei_ | plus good tests of if the documentation/process we have created is consumable / applicable by developers | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei_ | elmiko: yarp | 17:50 |
| elmiko | ok, 10mins left. 2 topics, can we move along? | 17:50 |
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| hyakuhei_ | please do! | 17:50 |
| elmiko | #topic syntribos | 17:50 |
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| elmiko | michaelxin: any updates? | 17:50 |
| elmiko | i've seen lots of activity from gerrit =) | 17:50 |
| michaelxin | mdong: will give some updates. | 17:51 |
| elmiko | great! | 17:51 |
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| mdong | So one of the pieces of feedback we got at the midcycle was to get rid of OpenCafe as a requirement | 17:51 |
| mdong | so that’s now in our plans | 17:51 |
| elmiko | that seems like a wise move | 17:51 |
| mdong | A few people have made CR’s, which is awesome! we definitely encourage more people to work on it | 17:52 |
| michaelxin | I am working with another manager to get another resource work on this. | 17:52 |
| elmiko | cool, +1 | 17:52 |
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| michaelxin | hope it will happen next week. | 17:52 |
| mdong | i’m still working on it, should be a few more CR’s coming this week | 17:52 |
| elmiko | awesome, thanks for keeping it moving along =) | 17:53 |
| michaelxin | thanks | 17:53 |
| mdong | no problem =) | 17:53 |
| ccneill | mdong: talked to Nathan yesterday, sounded like we could steal parts of CAFE if we actually need them, as long as we credit them somewhere | 17:53 |
| mdong | oh sweet | 17:53 |
| ccneill | but I think we can disentangle it for the most part | 17:53 |
| mdong | but yeah that’s all I had for updates | 17:54 |
| elmiko | ok, thanks mdong | 17:54 |
| elmiko | #topic ossp outreach | 17:54 |
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| elmiko | tmcpeak: any news here? | 17:54 |
| elmiko | or anyone else with events to report on =) | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | browne and I have a talk today in Sunnyvale! | 17:55 |
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| elmiko | ooh, neat! | 17:55 |
| elmiko | hope it goes well =) | 17:55 |
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| tmcpeak | thank you | 17:55 |
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| michaelxin | We still have some limited number of stickers to give away, if you want them, send your address to me | 17:55 |
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| ccneill | I have a semi-related question.. how did Lyft and Uber find out about bandit? just curious | 17:56 |
| elmiko | #info bug michaelxin if you want some ossp stickers | 17:56 |
| ccneill | if we know | 17:56 |
| elmiko | ccneill: great question | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | ccneill: yeah, good question | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | I have no idea | 17:56 |
| elmiko | we might have to ask Ryan_Lane directly | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | I should ask him | 17:56 |
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| elmiko | i know from our internal discussions about bandit, that it has been getting views by the larger python/sec community | 17:57 |
| ccneill | yeah because like.. when I did the presentation at the OpenStack Austin meetup a while back, I don't think I made any converts :( | 17:57 |
| elmiko | aww =( | 17:57 |
| ccneill | there was some interest in forcing OS projects to use it, but not so much on the actually helping part | 17:57 |
| ccneill | lol | 17:57 |
| michaelxin | Do we need to update the slides? | 17:57 |
| elmiko | lol | 17:57 |
| elmiko | michaelxin: good question | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | ccneill: everything helps! | 17:58 |
| michaelxin | I do not remember any action items for slides. | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: update them how? | 17:58 |
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| elmiko | (fyi, approaching 1 minute left) | 17:58 |
| ccneill | tmcpeak: yeah, at least it raised general awareness a bit hopefully | 17:58 |
| michaelxin | I only barely remembered that we talked about upadting something | 17:58 |
| mvaldes | more grumpy cat pics ;) | 17:58 |
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| ccneill | mvaldes: +1 | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | mvaldes: I'm all for that | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | let's see how it plays today | 17:58 |
| elmiko | haha | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | we can update based on feedback from the presentation | 17:59 |
| LukeH | did you guys know about the linux secure badge process.. not sure if interested... | 17:59 |
| michaelxin | I will talk with some professors in UTSA | 17:59 |
| LukeH | #link https://www.coreinfrastructure.org/programs/badge-program | 17:59 |
| elmiko | #topic open discussion | 17:59 |
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| elmiko | last minute | 17:59 |
| bknudson | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+bug/1534284 | 17:59 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1534284 in python-keystoneclient "keystoneclient should not use etree XML parsing" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Brant Knudson (blk-u) | 17:59 |
| elmiko | LukeH: i have not seen that before, thanks | 17:59 |
| bknudson | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+bug/1534288 | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | LukeH: we were discussing something like this, will check it out | 17:59 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1534288 in python-keystoneclient "keystoneclient should not be using pickle" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Brant Knudson (blk-u) | 17:59 |
| bknudson | these bugs were opened when I updated bandit on keystoneclient | 17:59 |
| LukeH | elmiko np, we are using it for the opnfv proj | 17:59 |
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| hyakuhei_ | LukeH: interesting thanks | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | allright guys, looks like we're out of time | 18:00 |
| tmcpeak | have a good week everybody! | 18:00 |
| elmiko | bknudson: i'd be curious to talk about the pickle stuff | 18:00 |
| elmiko | thanks eveyone | 18:00 |
| michaelxin | bye | 18:00 |
| elmiko | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 21 18:00:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| michaelxin | thanks | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-01-21-17.02.html | 18:00 |
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| bknudson | thanks | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-01-21-17.02.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-01-21-17.02.log.html | 18:00 |
| nkinder | Thankss! | 18:00 |
| LukeH | thanks * | 18:00 |
| tmcpeak | drag all other conversations to #openstack-security :D | 18:00 |
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| hyakuhei_ | ty all! | 18:00 |
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| elmiko | ooh, we forgot ossn... | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | hey sahara folks | 18:00 |
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| elmiko | hi | 18:00 |
| tmckay | hey | 18:00 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #startmeeting sahara | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 21 18:01:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SergeyLukjanov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:01 |
| esikachev | hi | 18:01 |
| AndreyPavlov | hi | 18:01 |
| sreshetnyak | o/ | 18:01 |
| vgridnev | hi | 18:01 |
| mionkin | hi | 18:01 |
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| egafford | o/ | 18:01 |
| tosky | o/ | 18:01 |
| pino|work | o/ | 18:02 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic News / updates | 18:02 |
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| vgridnev | I was working on health checks, spec is already available | 18:03 |
| elmiko | i've been researching a security bug that i will publish soon, also doing more work on the initial commit for api v2 and the wiki, and more bandit investigations in sahara | 18:03 |
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| esikachev | i am working on ci for sahara-scenario repo. update sahara-ci | 18:03 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I've been working on stable/liverty and mitaka 2 release, + client releases | 18:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and we have Mitaka 2 successfully released | 18:04 |
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| egafford | Working on image validation for CDH5.4; almost got an active cluster but ran into troubles on sharelib upload then got pulled into company-internal stuff. Have some hope for review soon. Thanks for reviews, vgridnev. :) | 18:04 |
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| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: +1 \o/ | 18:05 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | (btw sahara-dashboard is now included into the M2 release) | 18:05 |
| elmiko | great! | 18:05 |
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| egafford | SergeyLukjanov: Even more +1 \o/ for sahara-dashboard! | 18:06 |
| vgridnev | SergeyLukjanov, is the plans in close mitaka-2 milestone at the LP? | 18:06 |
| huichun | Hello | 18:06 |
| egafford | All the +1 \o/. | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, we need to test the installation of horizon + sahara-dashboard from pip | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | vgridnev I'll check | 18:06 |
| NikitaKonovalov | Im not sure that pip does install dashboard properly | 18:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov | since it has to copy the _enabled files to horizon | 18:07 |
| sreshetnyak | SergeyLukjanov: i tested, it works | 18:07 |
| vgridnev | SergeyLukjanov, I also see that m-1 also available for targeting bugs | 18:08 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak great | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | vgridnev we no more closing lp milestones before actual release | 18:08 |
| vgridnev | SergeyLukjanov, ok, thanks | 18:08 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | any other news or updates? | 18:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Liaisons review and ack | 18:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's review the liaisons for sahara | 18:10 |
| elmiko | +1 | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and confirm all of them | 18:10 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 1. Oslo - sreshetnyak | 18:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak any comments? :) | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sreshetnyak are you doing tis work defined on the wiki? | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | or do we need to find the new liaison? | 18:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, lemme post all items | 18:12 |
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| sreshetnyak | i'm think need to find new liaison | 18:13 |
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| sreshetnyak | because i wasn't particitate in liaisons last 2-3 month | 18:14 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | 1. Oslo - sreshetnyak, need new liaison :( | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 2. Release management - SergeyLukjanov | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 3. QA - tosky | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 4. Documentation - crobertsrh | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 5. Stable Branch - SergeyLukjanov | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 6. Vulnerability management - elmiko or SergeyLukjanov | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 7. API Working Group - | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 8. Logging Working Group - NullPointerException :( | 18:16 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | 9. Infra - NullPointerExcpetion :( | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 10. Product Working Group - NullPointerException :( | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 11. Inter-project Liaisons - do we need some? Heat? | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 12. Cross-Project Spec Liaisons - elmiko | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ooh | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | sorry about waiting ;) | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the list is big | 18:16 |
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| tosky | so, 3. QA is tosky and SergeyLukjanov, to be precise | 18:16 |
| tosky | :) | 18:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, all existing liaisons please explicitly confirm that you're ok with it | 18:16 |
| elmiko | i think we really need someone for the Product Working Group | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky let's keep only you | 18:17 |
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| elmiko | i'm definitely ok with VulnMgmt, API-WG, and Cross-Project | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and #7 is elmiko | 18:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thx! elmiko | 18:17 |
| tosky | from my side, no problem with being the contact, but I'm not the most active one on the QA side here ( esikachev did much more recently, for example, and there are others ); | 18:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | elmiko agreed re Product WG | 18:18 |
| egafford | I can volunteer for product WG liason. | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky do you probably want to move it to esikachev ? | 18:18 |
| elmiko | egafford: +1, that would be awesome =) | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | egafford, okay, let's put you on the list, thx! | 18:18 |
| * egafford ought to volunteer for something, really, and it intersects what I do pretty well. | 18:18 | |
| tosky | of course I'm following what happens upstream, so again, no problem for me to keep the role | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'll be liaison for infra obviously | 18:18 |
| tosky | but just in case :) | 18:18 |
| SergeyLukjanov | tosky thx, so, let's keep it on you :) | 18:19 |
| tosky | :) | 18:19 |
| sreshetnyak | QA: The liaison should be a core reviewer for the project, but does not need to be the PTL. | 18:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we need liaisons for logs, oslo | 18:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and we need confirmation from croberts for docs | 18:20 |
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| vgridnev | If we will have inter-projects with heat, I can be liaison in here | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anybody wants to be liaison for oslo and logs? | 18:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | vgridnev ack, let's spin it up | 18:20 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | vgridnev could you please work on it and find the responsible person from heat side? | 18:21 |
| vgridnev | sure | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | great | 18:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, we need someone for oslo for sure.... | 18:21 |
| elmiko | +1 | 18:21 |
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| AndreyPavlov | SergeyLukjanov, it can be me, if nobody wants to :) | 18:22 |
| AndreyPavlov | same for logs | 18:22 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 18:22 |
| sreshetnyak | AndreyPavlov: congrats! :) | 18:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ack, i'll put you in the list | 18:23 |
| egafford | I'd like to spin up a liaison with Trove as well, since we're very frequently solving the same problems, and would like to volunteer for that. | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | folks, please, ensure that all of you understands the liaison roles ;) | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | egafford awesome, thx! | 18:24 |
| egafford | (Unless someone deeply wants to represent Sahara to Trove and isn't me. :) ) | 18:24 |
| AndreyPavlov | sreshetnyak: haha thx :) | 18:24 |
| elmiko | egafford: it's all you ;) | 18:24 |
| SergeyLukjanov | egafford, please, work with trove folks to find the responsible person from trove side | 18:24 |
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| egafford | If croberts isn't feeling doc, I'd be happy to take that too, so we're covered in any event there, croberts-wise. | 18:25 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | anything else to discuss on this topic? | 18:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | egafford ack thx | 18:25 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Python-saharaclient release | 18:28 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | so, my question is for you guys - do we have any blockers for release? | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | in master I mean | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | (new major version with CLI plugin for openstack client) | 18:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | AndreyPavlov is it 100% ready? | 18:29 |
| AndreyPavlov | there are two things I want to talk about before release | 18:29 |
| AndreyPavlov | the first one is described in this bug | 18:29 |
| AndreyPavlov | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-saharaclient/+bug/1534050 | 18:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1534050 in Python client library for Sahara "Object's fields cannot be unset with update method" [Undecided,New] | 18:29 |
| AndreyPavlov | do you guys think it should be fixed somehow (for example with some other sentinel value instead of None by default) before release? | 18:30 |
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| AndreyPavlov | or maybe it's not important and we can do it later | 18:31 |
| elmiko | imo, from the rest standpoint, we should allow removing fields from the datastore by removing them from the json that is PUT | 18:31 |
| elmiko | which would bubble up to the client as well | 18:31 |
| tmckay | hmmm. I ran into this with default templates, iirc, and fixed up the schemas to allow nulls for optionals | 18:31 |
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| tmckay | so I believe the support is there, its just the client | 18:31 |
| tmckay | elmiko, REST should work | 18:31 |
| AndreyPavlov | tmckay, it's not a sahara problem, only client | 18:32 |
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| tmckay | right, just making sure we're on the same page | 18:32 |
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| AndreyPavlov | REST works fine :) | 18:32 |
| tmckay | not being able to unset is a real pain | 18:32 |
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| tmckay | from the client, imho | 18:32 |
| elmiko | so maybe we just need to allow removing fields from the client impl by having them not present in the json objects for update? | 18:32 |
| tmckay | I think that would do it | 18:33 |
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| vgridnev | SergeyLukjanov, when the supposed time of final release of saharaclient? | 18:33 |
| vgridnev | Is it last week before m-3? | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | around M3 | 18:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | non-client libs - week before M3 | 18:33 |
| NikitaKonovalov | elmiko: but that means we always need to send the full obejct for update request every time | 18:34 |
| tmckay | elmiko, hmm, I forget exactly how it works | 18:34 |
| egafford | Seems like the client needs to distinguish between a key with None in it and no key. | 18:34 |
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| tmckay | my opinion, it would be worth trying to fix, and if it doesn't make it in, oh well | 18:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, I wanna any concerns about release the client early next week / this week | 18:34 |
| AndreyPavlov | elmiko: so, the behavior of updates with REST and with client will be different | 18:34 |
| elmiko | NikitaKonovalov: i agree, but updating and staying restful are often a pain | 18:34 |
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| elmiko | maybe we should work this issue out on a reivew? | 18:35 |
| NikitaKonovalov | I'd say we need to think about PUT vs PATCH types of requests | 18:35 |
| elmiko | *review | 18:35 |
| elmiko | NikitaKonovalov: +1 | 18:35 |
| crobertsrh | hello/ sorry for being tardy :) | 18:35 |
| NikitaKonovalov | but that means changing the REST, and we've agree it works fine )) | 18:35 |
| egafford | NikitaKonovalov: Yes, that seems to be the right eventual answer. | 18:35 |
| elmiko | but still, we should discuss this on ML or over a review | 18:35 |
| elmiko | NikitaKonovalov: right... | 18:35 |
| elmiko | v2 api...... | 18:35 |
| elmiko | ;) | 18:35 |
| NikitaKonovalov | yep, it solves everything | 18:36 |
| NikitaKonovalov | eventually | 18:36 |
| tmckay | crobertsrh, earlier question on whether or not you still will be the doc liasion | 18:36 |
| elmiko | haha | 18:36 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh are you with being liaison for documents? | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | documentation* | 18:36 |
| crobertsrh | Totally fine with it, I welcome the position | 18:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh awesome thx | 18:37 |
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| AndreyPavlov | so, should we handle with updates issue before release? | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | AndreyPavlov sounds like yes | 18:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | how much time we need to fix it? | 18:39 |
| elmiko | i think we need to discuss it more though | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | vgridnev do we have working gating now? | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's discuss it on open discussion today | 18:39 |
| NikitaKonovalov | getting back to fixing the client, is it possible to have a workaround, something like have an updated-unset call that handles only None value | 18:39 |
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| vgridnev | SergeyLukjanov, no | 18:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | vgridnev any ETA on fixing? | 18:40 |
| vgridnev | We have two options | 18:40 |
| vgridnev | 1. wait for actual gate fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270077/ | 18:40 |
| elmiko | NikitaKonovalov: that may be our best short-term solution | 18:40 |
| vgridnev | or just disable test | 18:40 |
| vgridnev | Not sure what is the best choice | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I don;t like disabling tests | 18:41 |
| egafford | NikitaKonovalov: Is it possible to have the client tell the difference (at least in JSON payloads) between "I've given you a key with a None in it; update this" and "I've not given you a key, leave it as it is on the server"? | 18:41 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: +1 | 18:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | okay, waiting for the fix on tempest side | 18:41 |
| egafford | I'd think this is possible in many cases, and even in non-json-taking client methods, we can distinguish between None and a "nonexistent" sentinel object. | 18:41 |
| vgridnev | so let's put extra votes to fix! | 18:42 |
| vgridnev | so, more +1 votes on fix review | 18:42 |
| vgridnev | argh, lags | 18:42 |
| elmiko | i don't like putting magic values in the json, i think it's a bad path to pursue | 18:42 |
| egafford | elmiko: No, no magic values. | 18:42 |
| elmiko | k | 18:42 |
| AndreyPavlov | elmiko, not in json | 18:42 |
| AndreyPavlov | just to the update defaults | 18:42 |
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| AndreyPavlov | to separate None provided provided by user from default None | 18:43 |
| elmiko | ok, i think i would need to see the proposed change | 18:43 |
| egafford | AndreyPavlov: Right, exactly. | 18:43 |
| elmiko | right | 18:43 |
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| egafford | elmiko: Any magic super-None values can be hidden from the user interface in all cases (and have to be); totally agreed. | 18:44 |
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| elmiko | egafford: agreed | 18:44 |
| elmiko | i think at this point we should just get a review up and start fighting it out there, i'm having trouble following how this will be laid out in the client | 18:44 |
| tmckay | +! | 18:45 |
| egafford | elmiko: Sane and good. :) | 18:45 |
| elmiko | да | 18:45 |
| elmiko | =D | 18:45 |
| tmckay | isn't sanity implicit in good? | 18:45 |
| elmiko | sanity is over-rated ;) | 18:46 |
| tmckay | but not vice versa | 18:46 |
| elmiko | well, since good is not an absolute, i would think that neither implies the other | 18:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #topic Open discussion | 18:47 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | I've moved the topic | 18:47 |
| elmiko | yup | 18:47 |
| AndreyPavlov | and actually another thing is idea for our cli | 18:47 |
| elmiko | quick api v2 update, i've added more to the wiki and will soon have a POC for the v2 initial commit | 18:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we have two q. to discuss if needed - API v2 progress and separated LP for sahara-dashboard | 18:47 |
| elmiko | i would like to keep api v2 progress on the agenda please | 18:48 |
| elmiko | also, please please please review the apiv2 spec again folks =) | 18:48 |
| tmckay | what's an LP? | 18:48 |
| elmiko | launchpad | 18:48 |
| tmckay | ah | 18:48 |
| crobertsrh | I'm getting close to ready for reviews on the chain that ends with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270478/ It's reorganizing the UI into being more tab oriented rather than 10 panels. | 18:48 |
| elmiko | crobertsrh: +1, that spec looked nice | 18:49 |
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| crobertsrh | also, the spec for it is up for reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266557/ | 18:49 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: did you want to talk about the health check stuff? | 18:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | egafford, elmiko, crobertsrh, AndreyPavlov, please check that I put your IRC handle and role correctly ;) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 18:50 |
| vgridnev | elmiko, let's return to health checks discussions. I think we don't need separate methods for getting verifications to have in same time cluster and verifications; and in case of VERIFY i think that we can use put method, but only when json have format {'status': VERIFY} | 18:50 |
| egafford | SergeyLukjanov: Looks solid. | 18:51 |
| elmiko | SergeyLukjanov: looks good, thanks | 18:51 |
| crobertsrh | SergeyLukjanov: +1 lgtm | 18:51 |
| vgridnev | or something like that, elmiko | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | great, thx | 18:51 |
| SergeyLukjanov | vgridnev check it too please | 18:51 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: yea, i'm ok with that style of PUT, i think it would be good for the api | 18:51 |
| AndreyPavlov | SergeyLukjanov: everything fine | 18:51 |
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| elmiko | vgridnev: and sure, if we don't need the separate endpoints for individual verifications, i'm ok with leaving that out | 18:52 |
| vgridnev | great, I will update specs shortly then | 18:52 |
| elmiko | but i don't think need the verification as a param to cluster_id, just make a new endpoint to GET at, ..../<cluster_id>/verifications | 18:52 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: thanks! | 18:52 |
| vgridnev | Hm | 18:53 |
| vgridnev | That also make sense | 18:53 |
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| AndreyPavlov | there's also was an idea about our cli feature | 18:55 |
| AndreyPavlov | in a few words, it's something like import/export ability | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | vgridnev do we have some cli sample in verifications spec? | 18:55 |
| AndreyPavlov | to move templates across environments | 18:55 |
| elmiko | AndreyPavlov: interesting idea | 18:55 |
| AndreyPavlov | the problem is that template cannot be imported as is | 18:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I dream about it for about a year ;) | 18:55 |
| AndreyPavlov | for example some IDs should be changed | 18:56 |
| SergeyLukjanov | AndreyPavlov ^^ | 18:56 |
| AndreyPavlov | but importing large number of configs could be useful | 18:56 |
| elmiko | maybe we should write this up as a spec and get some ideas out on it? | 18:56 |
| vgridnev | SergeyLukjanov, what do you mean by "cli sample"? | 18:56 |
| elmiko | yea, definitely. and it would fullfill SergeyLukjanov's dream ;) | 18:56 |
| AndreyPavlov | SergeyLukjanov: yeah, i know :) | 18:56 |
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| AndreyPavlov | elmiko, sure | 18:57 |
| elmiko | great! | 18:57 |
| vgridnev | Retriggering and getting health checks from CLI? If yes, we of course will have that | 18:57 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | vgridnev yuo | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | 2 mins left | 18:58 |
| AndreyPavlov | but it will not be included in the next release, right? | 18:58 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | health checks or import / export? | 18:58 |
| crobertsrh | I'll be out for a week or maybe longer starting next Thursday, I'll try to check patches/reviews when I have a chance | 18:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | health checks should be definetly done in Mitaka | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | crobertsrh thx for the note! | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | btw I'm in CA now for the next few months (PST time zone, yay!) | 18:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss L7 feature (and review) timeline re: Mitaka (sbalukoff) (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 18:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 21 18:59:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thx folks! | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-01-21-18.01.html | 18:59 |
| elmiko | thanks SergeyLukjanov | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-01-21-18.01.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-01-21-18.01.log.html | 18:59 |
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| sriram | #startmeeting poppy | 19:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 21 19:05:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sriram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'poppy' | 19:05 |
| sriram | hey hey hey | 19:05 |
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| cathR | o/ | 19:05 |
| malini | o/ | 19:05 |
| sriram | make some noise!!! :D | 19:05 |
| sriram | ok, a lot of people are out today including amit. | 19:06 |
| sriram | since we had a discussion sometime back around having a meeting every 2 weeks | 19:06 |
| sriram | I vote we skip this meeting. | 19:07 |
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| sriram | cathR, malini: ^ | 19:07 |
| cathR | +1 | 19:07 |
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| malini | +1 | 19:07 |
| * sriram insert jim carrey voice | 19:07 | |
| sriram | alrightttty then | 19:07 |
| sriram | see you guys in the next one. | 19:08 |
| sriram | #endmeeting poppy | 19:08 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 21 19:08:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:08 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy/2016/poppy.2016-01-21-19.05.html | 19:08 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy/2016/poppy.2016-01-21-19.05.txt | 19:08 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy/2016/poppy.2016-01-21-19.05.log.html | 19:08 |
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