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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova-scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 25 14:00:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 14:00 |
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| edleafe | I'm not expecting much due to the mid-cycle | 14:02 |
| edleafe | Give it a few more minutes | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | Pretty much what I expected! :) | 14:05 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss L7 feature (and review) timeline re: Mitaka (sbalukoff) (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 14:05 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 25 14:05:44 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-01-25-14.00.html | 14:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-01-25-14.00.txt | 14:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-01-25-14.00.log.html | 14:05 |
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| korzen | hello | 15:01 |
| rossella_s | hi :) | 15:01 |
| dguitarbite | hello | 15:02 |
| electrocucaracha | hey | 15:02 |
| saisriki | Hi | 15:02 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, said that he might be late, I'd wait till 4.10 to see if he can make it, any objections? | 15:02 |
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| mhickey | Hello | 15:02 |
| sc68cal | rossella_s: go ahead and start the meeting so we at least get the topic | 15:02 |
| korzen | fine with me | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | o/ I am here :) | 15:02 |
| sc68cal | right now the topic is stuck on octavia | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 25 15:03:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | o/ to all | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #topic Organisational matters | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Organisational matters (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:03 | |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: wanna talk about objects sprint? | 15:03 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, sure! | 15:03 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, so the idea is to gather in Europe to make some progress regarding the introduction of ovo | 15:04 |
| rossella_s | anybody interested? | 15:04 |
| korzen | I'm interested | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | me obviously :) | 15:04 |
| rossella_s | :P | 15:04 |
| mhickey | me too | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: cool | 15:04 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: would need travel approval first | 15:05 |
| dguitarbite | me too! | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | ok, I guess we have some ideas about what the place would be. One suggestion was Brno (Red Hat office), another was Nuremberg (SuSE) | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | I am obviously welcoming everyone to Brno :D [though I will need to check with local office guardians to make sure it would be avail] | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | what would be the time for that? | 15:06 |
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| rossella_s | regarding Nurember it's confirm that it's available | 15:06 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, good question...end february? | 15:07 |
| rossella_s | how do others feel? | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | unless someone plans to go to Minnesota, I am fine with end of Feb | 15:07 |
| sc68cal | don't do end of feb please | 15:07 |
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| sc68cal | I'm already going to QA midcycle end of feb... which is booked the same week as neutron midcycle | 15:07 |
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| sc68cal | err - which neutron midcycle double booked | 15:07 |
| mhickey | not last week of februrary for me | 15:07 |
| sc68cal | please don't triple book. :( | 15:07 |
| korzen | 15th? | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's look middle of March maybe? | 15:08 |
| mhickey | February* | 15:08 |
| korzen | it depends how much we would like to achieve | 15:08 |
| * ihrachys wonders how to check against over-booking | 15:08 | |
| sc68cal | march please. Enough time to ask for travel approval | 15:08 |
| rossella_s | March is ok for me | 15:08 |
| sc68cal | also not get screwed by last minute airfare | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | korzen: elaborate | 15:08 |
| korzen | I mean that Mitaka-3 is at beginning of the March | 15:09 |
| korzen | if we would like to progress with OVO for mitaka we should gather faster | 15:09 |
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| mhickey | korzen: probably a good point | 15:09 |
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| korzen | March would be too late | 15:10 |
| SamYaple | o/ | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: I suspect there is no feature-wise push for getting it exactly in Mitaka. If we do progress for very start of N, that would still be a reasonable time for that. | 15:10 |
| sc68cal | yeah but we didn't plan well enough in advance to do an in person meeting | 15:10 |
| * SamYaple is from Kolla team, sorry for being late | 15:10 | |
| ihrachys | SamYaple: hi! | 15:10 |
| sc68cal | now we're going to try and get everyone to book with about 2 weeks notice to fly to europe? ehhhhh | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | korzen: I think we can still make some mitaka progress offline too. it's not like we will wait till March to do anything. | 15:11 |
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| korzen | ok, just saying my point | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | sc68cal: what would be a better time? mid March ok or too early? | 15:11 |
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| sc68cal | I think mid march is reasonable | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's figure it out really quick. rossella_s, let's discuss afterwards around location. | 15:12 |
| * sc68cal is being opinionated because he's going to submit travel budget for this | 15:12 | |
| ihrachys | sc68cal: that's pretty cool :) | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | sc68cal: btw fwaas 2.0 could be a good candidate for ovo too ;) | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's move on | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:13 |
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| korzen | how long would the sprint take? | 15:13 |
| sc68cal | ihrachys: indeed. We talked about that at the midcycle | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | #undo | 15:14 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x97b6490> | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | korzen: that's a good question. | 15:14 |
| korzen | 3 days? | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | 3 days? | 15:14 |
| rossella_s | yes | 15:14 |
| rossella_s | :) | 15:14 |
| rossella_s | I guess 3 days is the minimum amount of time to make decent progress | 15:14 |
| korzen | ok, to lets say it will be 3 days and starting monday 7th or 14th | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | 14th is more mid march ;) | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | ok, moving on | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | sc68cal: I think we are almost there with https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1527675 | 15:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1527675 in neutron "Neutron multinode grenade sometimes fails at resource phase create" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sean M. Collins (scollins) | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | right? | 15:16 |
| sc68cal | yep | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | just a patch or two to merge to fix that mtu issue. | 15:16 |
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| sc68cal | just need your backport to devstack for stable/liberty to go through | 15:16 |
| sc68cal | and the devstack-gate change | 15:16 |
| * sc68cal fetchese URLs | 15:16 | |
| sc68cal | *fetches | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | yeah. I believe once those are in, we'll have 3 test failures to fix, all while ssh-ing using floating IP | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | I actually thought those will be fixed by some of https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/devstack-gate+branch:master+topic:multinode-neutron-mtu but it did not look that way when I checked gate results. | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | we'll probably need another bug to report once we get latest gate results with MTU fixes in | 15:18 |
| sc68cal | ack. | 15:18 |
| sc68cal | https://review.openstack.org/267605 | 15:18 |
| sc68cal | https://review.openstack.org/267847 | 15:18 |
| sc68cal | for those following at home | 15:18 |
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| ihrachys | I was playing with all needed patches with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265759/ fake patch. anyone can use it to check experimental to collect latest logs. | 15:19 |
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| ihrachys | sc68cal: that MTU discussion on openstack-dev, does it reveal any specific action items that could help the job? | 15:20 |
| * ihrachys hasn't checked it just yet | 15:20 | |
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| sc68cal | ihrachys: not yet. I think we're still in the exploring phase. Sam-I-Am has hardware and is poking things | 15:20 |
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| sc68cal | but the consensus is this whole thing is just silly and we need to simplify this whole thing. | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | it won't be neutron anymore, will it? | 15:21 |
| sc68cal | I mean if we as neutron-devs can't set the MTUs correctly at the gate for our CI jobs how in the hell is anyone else supposed to have a chance at this | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | jumbo frames! isn't that what we suggest now? | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | I mean, allowing them on physical layer | 15:22 |
| sc68cal | right | 15:22 |
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| sc68cal | but if you don't have access to jumbo frames but want to do tunnels.... we screw them | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | yeah. ok, we'll dig more. and the next is... | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:23 |
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| dguitarbite | sc68cal: devs ... its a ops issue ;) | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | on that side, I think we finally started with some progress. there are patches for port and network, also allowed addresses | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | allowed address pairs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268274/ | 15:24 |
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| ihrachys | port: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253641/ | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | subnet: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269056 | 15:24 |
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| korzen | Subnet is: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264273 | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | oh, sorry | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | need to fix the agenda :) | 15:25 |
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| rossella_s | yep the agenda is out-dated, my fault too | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | there is also a follow up for the hasher test that should save against unexpected API changes for objects: https://review.openstack.org/270230 | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | the test was working for the most part, but just not guaranteed :) | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | ok, moving forward | 15:27 |
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| ihrachys | #topic other patches | 15:27 |
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| ihrachys | mhickey successfully pushed has_offline_migrations that week: https://review.openstack.org/248190 Congrats! | 15:28 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: thanks and to all reviewers | 15:28 |
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| ihrachys | that should help folks to automate expand-only online upgrades (actually requested by ansible folks) | 15:28 |
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| ihrachys | also ajo proposed upgrade patch for rpc callbacks: https://review.openstack.org/265347 | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | that's somewhat related to versioned objects (currently affecting qos objects only, but will later be used for other resources) | 15:29 |
| rossella_s | lots of stuff to review | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | oh yeah | 15:29 |
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| korzen | one question regarding the rpc callback, can someone point to code where the OVO is sent over wire> | 15:30 |
| korzen | ? | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | sec | 15:30 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/api/rpc/handlers/resources_rpc.py#L139 | 15:30 |
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| korzen | ok thx ihrachys | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | that rpc callbacks patch is a scary beast, the more eyes the better. | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | ok. speaking of partial upgrades, we still need that backport to fix rolling upgrade for security groups for K->L: https://review.openstack.org/268697 | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | (not that we are going to gate on it but still) | 15:32 |
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| ihrachys | there is also a small devref change to clarify our current strategy for rolling upgrades for notifications: https://review.openstack.org/268125 | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | that's about it on patches side from me. anything else we should care? | 15:33 |
| rossella_s | not that I know | 15:34 |
| korzen | speaking about the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269056 | 15:34 |
| korzen | Use Oslo Versioned serializer for RPC messages | 15:34 |
| korzen | it is affecting the OVO sent over main RPC | 15:34 |
| korzen | because now, we will be sending only dicts, without metadata | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | ah right, that one. I was not sure about that one. at least until we have a case where we push an object directly, omitting modules like rpc callbacks | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | korzen: the way it's currently handled for rpc callbacks is that version is implied from topic name. | 15:35 |
| korzen | ok, so metadata is sent | 15:36 |
| korzen | so no* | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | there may be cases when we want to sent metadata as part of payload, but I would like to see them before we go with using that serializer. | 15:36 |
| korzen | ok, the serializer would hit us twice them | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | korzen: hm, I should actually check it. maybe it does. it's just that it's not vital there. | 15:37 |
| korzen | one hit will be when introducing OVO on agent side | 15:37 |
| korzen | and then introducing the serializer will impact the agent again | 15:37 |
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| ihrachys | not sure I follow | 15:38 |
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| korzen | when we sent OVO over wire, we should be able at agent side rebuild the OVO object to see if agent is able to handle the version | 15:39 |
| korzen | reasonable would be to introduce the serializer before sending the OVO | 15:40 |
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| korzen | but maybe someone more experienced with OVO had better point of view | 15:40 |
| rossella_s | korzen, not to discourage you but I think the idea is that for now this serializer is not need so you can start working again on this patch when there's a real need | 15:41 |
| korzen | it can be also done step by step: OVO at server side, serializer, OVO at agent side | 15:42 |
| rossella_s | let's first introduce OVO then we can work on the serializer. Without OVO in place I don't see the point | 15:42 |
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| korzen | ok, for OVO at serve side it would be OK | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | for the very first OVO phase, I would not expect us to expose objects to agents. that would require RPC refactoring, which is a separate deal. | 15:44 |
| rossella_s | korzen, and thanks for all your work! you can resume the serializer when time is ripe for it | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | ok, next is... | 15:45 |
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| ihrachys | #topic object ERD | 15:45 |
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| ihrachys | not much on that one; but fyi ski2 sent me some core resource models' ERD in private, I will need to look into it and will send it to openstack-dev@ | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | or maybe just ask him to share with everyone :) | 15:46 |
| rossella_s | :) | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | that diagram should help us to make calls on what's next to tackle for objectification | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | ok, and next is... | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:47 |
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| electrocucaracha | I started an extension of sphinx to autogenerate the diagrams, | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: oh nice. are you working in sync with ski2? | 15:47 |
| electrocucaracha | yes | 15:48 |
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| electrocucaracha | ohh sorry, I'm in sync with saisriki | 15:48 |
| electrocucaracha | but, I'll send the instructions to ski2 as well | 15:49 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: ok, as long as it's not parallel efforts :) | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: and thanks! :) | 15:49 |
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| rossella_s | electrocucaracha, nice nickname :D | 15:50 |
| electrocucaracha | :) thanks rossella_s | 15:50 |
| saisriki | I was working on the ERD in sync with electrocucaracha and ski2 | 15:50 |
| saisriki | The ERD is available for viewing at https://www.gliffy.com/go/html5/9741595?app=1b5094b0-6042-11e2-bcfd-0800200c9a66 | 15:51 |
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| ihrachys | saisriki: note it's some proprietary webapp with trial period. we need something more stable for that, even short term :) | 15:52 |
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| saisriki | ack | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | thanks again | 15:53 |
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| ihrachys | anything else folks? | 15:53 |
| electrocucaracha | my understanding is that the final solution will be an script to autogenerate it | 15:53 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: that's the ideal, yes | 15:54 |
| electrocucaracha | https://github.com/electrocucaracha/schemadisplay_sphinx | 15:54 |
| electrocucaracha | that's the sphinx extension that I'm working | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | nice. will it get a separate pypi package? | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | or do we put it into neutron tree? | 15:55 |
| electrocucaracha | I don't think so, I just place the code there | 15:56 |
| sc68cal | ihrachys: we probably just add it to conf.py in neutron's doc/ | 15:56 |
| sc68cal | in the list of extensions, and then add it to requirements | 15:56 |
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| sc68cal | doc/source/conf.py | 15:56 |
| ihrachys | that's ideal. that would mean a pypi package for the extension though. | 15:56 |
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| ihrachys | ok, once we get code, we'll handle the integration in some way :) | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | thanks all for joining! | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | and have a great week :) | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss L7 feature (and review) timeline re: Mitaka (sbalukoff) (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 15:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 25 15:57:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| mhickey | bye | 15:58 |
| dguitarbite | bye | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-01-25-15.03.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-01-25-15.03.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-01-25-15.03.log.html | 15:58 |
| rossella_s | bye | 15:58 |
| electrocucaracha | bye | 15:58 |
| saisriki | bye | 15:58 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 15:58 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 25 16:00:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| gcb | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | howdy folks! | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | this is your alternative captain speaking | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, haypo, | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps | 16:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek, gcb, Nakato | 16:01 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:01 |
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| amrith | ./ | 16:01 |
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| dukhlov | o/ | 16:01 |
| rbradfor | o/ | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | hi there folks, welcome to another week of oslo | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims i think is out, so i'll be taking over meeting time | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | let the fun begin! | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | any flags, red, green, yellow from folks? | 16:02 |
| amrith | none from trove | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | none from me either, as a oslo user :) | 16:03 |
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| jecarey | o/ | 16:03 |
| bknudson | none for keystone | 16:04 |
| bknudson | I guess there's a problem with the config file generator | 16:04 |
| amrith | sorry harlowja_at_home I may have spoken too soon | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | oh | 16:04 |
| stevemar | bknudson: i had one for keystone, but i opened a bug (yeah that one) | 16:04 |
| amrith | we may have one | 16:04 |
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| harlowja_at_home | (and i was just about to say battlestations were 100% operational, lol) | 16:04 |
| amrith | so, we're having failures in our gate | 16:05 |
| amrith | and they are https://bugs.launchpad.net/trove/+bug/1537522 | 16:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1537522 in Trove "python27 gate fails with AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'poll'" [Critical,New] - Assigned to Amrith (amrith) | 16:05 |
| amrith | related to that bug | 16:05 |
| stevemar | bknudson: there is also https://bugs.launchpad.net/reno/+bug/1537451 but i don't know if reno is under the oslo tree | 16:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1537451 in reno "notes missing/overridden in latest version" [Undecided,New] | 16:05 |
| amrith | all of our gate is stuck | 16:05 |
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| stevemar | amrith: that is related to eventlet 0.18.0, but should be fixed with eventlet 0.18.1 | 16:05 |
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| amrith | this is way above my paygrade | 16:05 |
| amrith | thanks stevemar | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, that looks like the eventlet one? | 16:05 |
| amrith | so someone is already on this | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya i think so | 16:06 |
| amrith | harlowja_at_home, stevemar thanks | 16:06 |
| stevemar | amrith: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/084795.html | 16:06 |
| amrith | if you have a LP number, I'll redirect mine to that. | 16:06 |
| stevemar | amrith: it should already be fixed, probably just needs a recheck | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, is the reno one there known? | 16:06 |
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| harlowja_at_home | (if u know) | 16:06 |
| gcb | yes, amrith , that's eventlet 0.18 issue, for bug 1537522 | 16:06 |
| openstack | bug 1537522 in Trove "python27 gate fails with AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'poll'" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1537522 - Assigned to Amrith (amrith) | 16:06 |
| amrith | found a bug there, will take it from here. thansk for the pointer | 16:06 |
| amrith | harlowja_at_home, all set. | 16:06 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : yeah, I'll be looking into it after I finish releases today | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, cool | 16:07 |
| dhellmann | and reno is a release team project | 16:07 |
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| harlowja_at_home | kk | 16:07 |
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| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, what's the config file generator issue? any bug for that? | 16:07 |
| stevemar | harlowja_at_home: yep | 16:08 |
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| stevemar | harlowja_at_home: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.config/+bug/1536899 i think rbradfor is taking a looksy | 16:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1536899 in oslo.config "config generator sorting has changed" [Undecided,New] | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:08 |
| rbradfor | I'm looking at it right now | 16:08 |
| rbradfor | reviewing this commit -- http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.config/commit/?id=2b057cf5da2dacdd60efb55bb054cd3f53d278bf | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ok, so mostly just trying to isolate what caused it? | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | rbradfor : oh, yeah, throwing those options into a set is going to produce a random order | 16:09 |
| dhellmann | rbradfor : maybe that can change to an orderedset instead | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | list(set(clean[namespace][group])) i suppose? | 16:10 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, I wanted to find cause, I was guessing list(set()) may be a cause, dhellmann seems to agree | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | rbradfor : yeah, that would definitely do it (there may be other issues, but that's very suspicious given the nature of the bug) | 16:10 |
| stevemar | amrith: i rechecked your patches, it should be all fixed up though, we had a similar issue in keystone | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : yeah, line 266 there | 16:10 |
| amrith | stevemar, I'm pushing a change for review to blacklist eventlet 0.18 | 16:10 |
| amrith | identical to the g-r change. | 16:10 |
| amrith | thanks | 16:10 |
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| rbradfor | dhellmann, harlowja_at_home I'll probably need to enlist help of a more experienced person to untangle this. | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, sure | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/taskflow/types.html#taskflow.types.sets.OrderedSet (this could be useful) | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | anyways, more experienced peoples are here to help! | 16:12 |
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| dhellmann | rbradfor : sure, let's chat after the meeting | 16:12 |
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| rbradfor | dhellmann, sounds great | 16:12 |
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| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | so let's move to next releases | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Releases for Mitaka | 16:13 |
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| harlowja_at_home | any releases that people want to get out? i didn't see a dims openstack/releases of the week yet, so now's your time to influence that :) | 16:13 |
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| harlowja_at_home | boris-42, did u want a osprofiler release, or did u manage that? | 16:14 |
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| harlowja_at_home | (if u are around) | 16:14 |
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| boris-42 | harlowja_at_home: not yet | 16:16 |
| boris-42 | harlowja_at_home: we need to get some fixes in first | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | boris-42, ah, ok | 16:16 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/releases | 16:16 |
| boris-42 | harlowja_at_home: we need to get some patches first | 16:16 |
| boris-42 | harlowja_at_home: =) | 16:16 |
| dukhlov | about oslo.messaging release, dims waits for my patch with pika driver deployment guide. I've just sent first patch for review | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | dukhlov, thx | 16:17 |
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| boris-42 | harlowja_at_home: previous week was all full of pip and pain | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | boris-42, lol | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | pip and pain, all u need in life | 16:17 |
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| harlowja_at_home | the 2 Ps | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | ok, so i guess at least one or two releases known this week, when they are ready, if people think of others please poke me, dims or others in oslo and we can help make it happen :) | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Specs to look at | 16:19 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo-specs,n,z | 16:19 |
| kgiusti | re: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247668/ | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | so i just wanted to see if anyone had any discussion or eyes needed on ^ | 16:20 |
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| harlowja_at_home | kgiusti, how goes that one? | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | sileht, yt | 16:20 |
| kgiusti | well, I wanted to know what other folks thought about it | 16:20 |
| kgiusti | I've tentatively -1 it | 16:21 |
| kgiusti | I'd like to see some perf numbers first. | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | kgiusti, ya, your last comment there seems like a valid one | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | 'it would be nice if there were benchmarks that back up this claim before we include it as a proper feature.' seems like a reasonable ask | 16:22 |
| * harlowja_at_home wonders if folks can get that | 16:22 | |
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| sileht | harlowja_at_home, my upgrade question have not been answered :( | 16:22 |
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| kgiusti | thanks. I wonder at what point does large message size == unintended bug. | 16:22 |
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| harlowja_at_home | sileht, ah, ye olde upgrade question | 16:23 |
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| harlowja_at_home | kgiusti, totally agreed, one of my earlier comments was about who are these huge-message-senders | 16:23 |
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| kgiusti | ah - that was you. That's a really good point. | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | one of them i guess was a neutron thing (at 1MB message) | 16:24 |
| kgiusti | I suspect these really large messages may be hard for an individual developer to trigger. | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | josh harlow might be me (depending on the context, lol) | 16:24 |
| kgiusti | and may only be seen in the field. | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | right | 16:25 |
| * kgiusti *blush* | 16:25 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | so i guess we need to work through a couple more things for that spec (upgrades, some kind of benchmarks) | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | another spec that i guess was mentioned last week | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229194/ | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | that one it'd be nice to have people look at to | 16:26 |
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| * rpodolyaka stars | 16:27 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | there are a bunch of copies of oslo.messaging failure/exception recreation code out there, and various other ways of sending/recieving exceptions from remote systems and handling/reraising them, so ^ is an attempt to make the best-of-all-of-them | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | i think i've seen copies of the oslo.messaging exception remoting code (or a variation of it) in nova cells, something like it in glance (and perhaps more?) | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | so the gist of that is to look at all the approaches, pick the best things of all, and make a library for all to use | 16:28 |
| sileht | that make sense to me to unify that | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | def | 16:28 |
| * harlowja_at_home tried to do a decent analysis of known approachs in that, and we can then move on from there | 16:28 | |
| harlowja_at_home | so eyes on that would be cool | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | any other specs people want to bring up? most other ones don't seem to active | 16:30 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ^ so either that's good (all things are perfect) or people just are busy, ha | 16:30 |
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| harlowja_at_home | another important one, that is outside of oslo, but very much relevant is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226157/ from lifeless | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | so if people haven't seen that, please check that out | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | (and comment as/if needed) | 16:32 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/openstack-specs | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | that usually has other interesting ones to :) | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:33 |
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| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, I have a discussion point | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, whats up | 16:34 |
| rbradfor | dhellmann made a good suggestion about doing grenade tests for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263903/ [oslo.log] Remove deprecated log-format option | 16:34 |
| rbradfor | I tried to set this up on dedicated H/W at home, but it took longer and was more complex the hoped. | 16:34 |
| rbradfor | it was also suggested to look at including a grenade test in the jenkins gate for oslo.log. Thoughts? | 16:34 |
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| harlowja_at_home | seems like a good idea, i've never created one of those in the gate, so i'm not sure how hard it is :) | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | i guess u figured that out though | 16:35 |
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| * harlowja_at_home assuming 'Researching how to run grenade upgrade tests.' worked out :) | 16:35 | |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, clarkb and mtrenish in -qa have been helpful, I'm sure they will know | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:35 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, even with 8 xeon cores my H/W seemed inadequate in concurrency tests | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | woah | 16:36 |
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| harlowja_at_home | need more cores captain! | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | (and that will be my star trek joke/quote for the day) | 16:37 |
| rbradfor | I actually have 3 x dual quad core xeon machines at home, which I had the time to get them functioning for testing. | 16:37 |
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| amrith | lol | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, sounds like a better machine than my desktop (which is an older quad-core) | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | but its only 1x quad-core | 16:38 |
| rbradfor | amrith, re getting them testing? | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | not 3x | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:38 |
| * amrith remembers a fish he caught one day | 16:38 | |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, when I started looking into getting into OS I bought pieces of ebay, and built them. with 32GB ram and SSD only around $300 each. | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | 'bought pieces of ebay' | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol, nice | 16:39 |
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| rbradfor | off, but we digress. | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:40 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so let's i guess try the grenade stuffs, and see how that goes | 16:40 |
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| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, thanks I'll look into it, however tempest liberty fails a lot (that's going to be a pre-requisite) | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-/ | 16:41 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anything else people want to bring up? otherwise can end earlier, people can spend 15 more minutes reading reviews :-P | 16:44 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ok, guess anything else folks please raise in #openstack-oslo as needed | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | until next week! | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 25 16:44:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-01-25-16.00.html | 16:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-01-25-16.00.txt | 16:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-01-25-16.00.log.html | 16:44 |
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| nikhil | Courtesy meeting reminder: nikhil_k, ativelkov, mfedosin, docaedo, dshakhray | 17:00 |
| nikhil | #startmeeting glance_artifacts_sub_team | 17:01 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 25 17:01:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| nikhil | #chair mfedosin | 17:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glance_artifacts_sub_team' | 17:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: mfedosin nikhil | 17:01 |
| nikhil | #topic agenda | 17:01 |
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| nikhil | there's no official agenda listed | 17:01 |
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| nikhil | so, if there's nothing we will move to free form open discussion | 17:01 |
| mfedosin | okay, I have some news | 17:01 |
| nikhil | excellent | 17:01 |
| nikhil | #topic mfedosin: NEWS | 17:02 |
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| docaedo | o/ | 17:02 |
| mfedosin | First one, I'm responsible for artifacts project from this week | 17:02 |
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| mfedosin | Alex Tivelkov now fully in Murano | 17:02 |
| nikhil | congrats Alex! | 17:03 |
| mfedosin | I knew it last Friday, so I have not time to prepare :) | 17:03 |
| nikhil | Good luck Mike! | 17:03 |
| mfedosin | thanks Nikhil | 17:03 |
| mfedosin | the second news is that Flavio wants us to move to separate project | 17:04 |
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| mfedosin | openstack/glare | 17:04 |
| mfedosin | and I agree with him | 17:04 |
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| mfedosin | in that case we can move forward much faster | 17:04 |
| mfedosin | he promised to send an email to ML tomorrow | 17:05 |
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| mfedosin | in long-term it's a good solution | 17:06 |
| mfedosin | nikhil, I know you don't like the idea | 17:06 |
| nikhil | I don't | 17:06 |
| nikhil | We had this discussion many times and people had agreed otherwise | 17:06 |
| kfox1111 | will glance then depend on glare eventually? | 17:06 |
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| nikhil | It doesn't seem to align with other discussion and seems like a radical move TBH | 17:07 |
| mfedosin | we need to talk about it, but I wish glare will be a replacement for glance in OS | 17:07 |
| kfox1111 | I was really hoping to get to artefact like nova images at some point, but that's seeming less and less likely. :/ | 17:07 |
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| kfox1111 | I proposed years ago, a symlink like thing for images and the answer came back, oh, just use artefacts for them. | 17:08 |
| mfedosin | anyway glance and glare are now separate projects | 17:08 |
| nikhil | I am ok if like mfedosin is saying that Artifacts will replace glance but that needs to be clearly pointed | 17:08 |
| mfedosin | and we're talking about repo | 17:08 |
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| mfedosin | okay, not projects, services | 17:09 |
| kfox1111 | will all the glance team be part of glare, or are you breaking up and going your seperate ways? | 17:09 |
| mfedosin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255274/ | 17:09 |
| mfedosin | I think it will be like searchlight separation | 17:10 |
| kfox1111 | searchlight's definatly a different beast then glance though. it crosses lots of projects. | 17:10 |
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| kfox1111 | glare though, should replace glance when fully completed. | 17:10 |
| mfedosin | so, all Glance core members, who want to participate in Glare will be promoted to cores automatically | 17:11 |
| kfox1111 | so if there is not buyin for that path, glance and glare will go down different paths and will eventually compete. :/ | 17:11 |
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| nikhil | and that is my main worry | 17:12 |
| kfox1111 | I fear this is the glance team not wanting to deal with glare, so they are sluffing it off to its own project. | 17:12 |
| mfedosin | I think we can implement current v2 Image API in glare | 17:12 |
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| nikhil | openstack services competing with each other with no definite goal overall | 17:12 |
| nikhil | that's a really bad idea | 17:12 |
| nikhil | it will divide the vision | 17:12 |
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| nikhil | vision, community and ideas | 17:13 |
| kfox1111 | exatly. | 17:13 |
| kfox1111 | I was worried back when there was more and more pushback to making images artefacts. IMHO, the images should have been the first thing made artefacts. | 17:13 |
| mfedosin | okay, let's assume we stay in Glance | 17:13 |
| nikhil | kfox1111: +1M | 17:13 |
| kfox1111 | but now, it seems like the image team doesn't want to do them ever. | 17:14 |
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| mfedosin | who will develop a standalone service? | 17:14 |
| kfox1111 | as an op, why deploy another service too? | 17:14 |
| nikhil | I think currently operators have a lot of influence for images | 17:14 |
| nikhil | we need to create equity in the group | 17:14 |
| nikhil | the issue is an image operator doesn't want to manage other artifacts | 17:15 |
| nikhil | but that will not be true in all cases | 17:15 |
| nikhil | and from a developer and architecture perspective it is a nightmare | 17:15 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. huge nightmare. :/ | 17:15 |
| mfedosin | I know about that | 17:16 |
| mfedosin | it's the worst thing that may happen in short-term | 17:16 |
| kfox1111 | imo, splitting out of glance will just about be the death nell for glare. | 17:16 |
| nikhil | totally | 17:16 |
| nikhil | I think managing a separate project is not as easy | 17:17 |
| nikhil | and I know that from SL experience | 17:17 |
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| mfedosin | what is SL? | 17:17 |
| kfox1111 | if all the glance developers that think artefacts are a good idea leave for a different project, | 17:17 |
| nikhil | we need diversity, manage specs, worry about separate releases etc | 17:17 |
| nikhil | searchlight | 17:17 |
| kfox1111 | that will leave glance unhealthy too. :/ | 17:17 |
| mfedosin | ah | 17:17 |
| docaedo | I think the problem is less about just project management, but that the core value of glare is that it IS part of glance | 17:17 |
| nikhil | separate project comes with a lot of overhead | 17:17 |
| nikhil | docaedo: that's true. but the argument is made against short term vs long term effects | 17:18 |
| nikhil | and I am saying in both cases, it's a terrible idea | 17:18 |
| docaedo | nikhil: I agree in both cases too | 17:18 |
| mfedosin | I think we can discuss it privately with Flavio today. I'll write an email for that | 17:19 |
| kfox1111 | another question: what is glance's vision if its not glare? | 17:19 |
| docaedo | but this has been worked on for over a year, and if glance, after all this time is saying "you should go over there and work on this idea", it doesn't sound good to me. Maybe I'm projecting a worse idea than reality though :) | 17:19 |
| nikhil | I too feel it the same way | 17:20 |
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| kfox1111 | same here. | 17:20 |
| nikhil | it was decided many times in summits that it will be in glance | 17:20 |
| nikhil | and with no context we are making a radical change with no real different in reality | 17:20 |
| nikhil | difference | 17:20 |
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| kfox1111 | as a seperate project, it has the potential to do what egcs did for gcc. but forks generally don't end up being that successful. | 17:21 |
| mfedosin | oh... it's always a tough decision | 17:21 |
| flaper87 | hey folks! Joining late | 17:21 |
| flaper87 | I read the backlog quickly | 17:21 |
| mfedosin | the problem is in glance community | 17:21 |
| mfedosin | too | 17:21 |
| kfox1111 | has glare really had that much pushback in the glance team? | 17:21 |
| flaper87 | (also I'm on a call) | 17:21 |
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| mfedosin | hi Flavio | 17:22 |
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| flaper87 | so, I just wanted to clarify I'm not saying we should split the project out. I just said that was my preference back then and to some extent it still is but that it doesn't necessarily needs to happen. | 17:22 |
| flaper87 | I believe, as far as glare goes, the priority should be getting the API right | 17:22 |
| flaper87 | rather than focusing on whether it should be in glance's repo or not | 17:22 |
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| flaper87 | I was very strong on the opinion that it should be its own process/service | 17:23 |
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| flaper87 | and that's happening | 17:23 |
| flaper87 | the community agreed with that | 17:23 |
| flaper87 | Hope that clarifies my view | 17:23 |
| kfox1111 | agreed. getting the api right is very important. but so is team buy in, and minimizing the number of services an op has to deal with, and developers have to target. | 17:23 |
| flaper87 | I think we should get the Glance's community on glare | 17:23 |
| kfox1111 | so starting it out as a seperate project might be ok, so long as the team supports its eventual merge, and that it becomes part of glance eventually. | 17:23 |
| flaper87 | kfox1111: fwiw, I've been bringing this up to the Glance's meeting for two weeks | 17:23 |
| flaper87 | we have a fasttrack in place for artifacts that I think we should remove | 17:24 |
| flaper87 | because I think that's also preventing the community from jumping in | 17:24 |
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| kfox1111 | chicken and egg problem sort of. if its not part of glance, people might not contribute to it. | 17:24 |
| kfox1111 | if its part of glance, glance might be way to slow to review? | 17:25 |
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| mfedosin | people don't now :) | 17:25 |
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| kfox1111 | less likely if its not part of glance though... | 17:25 |
| mfedosin | We have a good team for artifacts | 17:25 |
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| mfedosin | 3-4 ppl from Mirantis and 2-3 from IBM | 17:26 |
| kfox1111 | nice. | 17:26 |
| flaper87 | kinda! It's a bit late for mitaka anyway. WE need to focus on what was discussed and how we can help moving the service forward | 17:26 |
| mfedosin | it's enough for the first time | 17:26 |
| nikhil | we need to take baby steps | 17:26 |
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| flaper87 | that's what I'm saying | 17:26 |
| kfox1111 | is the goal to move all of glance to being glare backed once glare is stable? | 17:26 |
| nikhil | I think we should all think about the API and not the project atm | 17:26 |
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| flaper87 | Again, as far as glare goes, we need to make the API stable | 17:27 |
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| docaedo | +1 on focusing on API, and thanks flaper87 for clarifying things | 17:27 |
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| flaper87 | docaedo: no worries, hope you're all still alive and no one had a heart attack | 17:27 |
| flaper87 | :D | 17:27 |
| kfox1111 | +1 for a stable api. -1 for lack of vision. lack of vision kills projects. :/ | 17:27 |
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| flaper87 | kfox1111: I think the vision has always been that we need to make some sense of glare's API and have it bake glance | 17:28 |
| mfedosin | thanks Flavio | 17:28 |
| flaper87 | in the long run | 17:28 |
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| kfox1111 | k. I totally get glance not wanting to commit to an unstable api. | 17:29 |
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| kfox1111 | but its a different thing if the team phylisophically disagrees with the direction. just want to make sure that's not a thing. | 17:29 |
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| mfedosin | I think we have to finish the meeting | 17:30 |
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| flaper87 | kfox1111: I don't think that's a thing. I think it's a matter of priorities, bandwidth and well $PUT_THE_NAME_OF_YOUR_MANAGER_HERE | 17:31 |
| * flaper87 stfu | 17:31 | |
| mfedosin | flaper87: will you send an email tomorrow? | 17:31 |
| kfox1111 | flaper87: ok. that's good to hear. thanks. | 17:32 |
| nikhil | I guess we need to close the mtg due to time and discuss offline | 17:32 |
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| mfedosin | not offline :))) it's hard | 17:33 |
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| nikhil | I meant -glance | 17:33 |
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| nikhil | I will step down as chair and let mfedosin decide on when to close the mtg | 17:33 |
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| mfedosin | #endmeeting | 17:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 25 17:33:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2016/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2016-01-25-17.01.html | 17:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2016/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2016-01-25-17.01.txt | 17:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glance_artifacts_sub_team/2016/glance_artifacts_sub_team.2016-01-25-17.01.log.html | 17:33 |
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| nikhil | thanks all | 17:34 |
| nikhil | sorry about the interruption | 17:34 |
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| alexandrelevine | o/ | 19:10 |
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| rockyg | o/ | 19:10 |
| sslypushenko | o/ | 19:10 |
| catherineD | #startmeeting refstack | 19:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 25 19:10:56 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:10 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:11 |
| rockyg | o/ | 19:11 |
| pvaneck_ | o/ | 19:11 |
| catherineD | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-01-25 | 19:12 |
| catherineD | I need to wake up :-) | 19:12 |
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| catherineD | #topic User/group spec and implementation merged !!!! | 19:12 |
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| catherineD | #topic Organization and product entities | 19:13 |
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| catherineD | #link Database tables spec : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268922/ | 19:13 |
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| catherineD | #link Implementation : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269066/ | 19:14 |
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| catherineD | #link do we need the 'public' field ? line 35 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269066/10/refstack/db/migrations/alembic/versions/7092392cbb8e_create_product_table.py | 19:14 |
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| catherineD | what is this field for? | 19:14 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Well, I thought Andrey answered the question in the review. Several use-cases require it | 19:15 |
| andrey-mp | I've tried to describe it in your review - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268922/2/specs/mitaka/approved/vendor-registration-data-model.rst line 99 | 19:15 |
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| catherineD | do we allow community to list a product? what would that be that usecase? | 19:16 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: What do you mean "to list a product"? | 19:17 |
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| catherineD | in my mind what we are sharing is a test result.. | 19:17 |
| rockyg | that's the "anyone can upload test results against a cloud" req. | 19:17 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: All of our entities can be private or public, including Products, Vendors, test results, Guidelines, etc. | 19:17 |
| catherineD | when we share a test result, if the test result is link to a product ... then product name would be shown ... so to me the share flag should be at the test record level ... | 19:18 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: You can share test result now and the product is not there at all. It can stay exactly this way. Until the product is officially published, test result is anonymous. | 19:18 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: would that be confusing with 2 share flag one at test results and one at the product level? | 19:19 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: I don't see why. Those are rather independent entities. | 19:20 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: this is for the case when the product is link to the test results ... and the user should have the choice to not share the result of a product | 19:20 |
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| sslypushenko | alexandrelevine: Should we drop public flag for test result in this case? | 19:21 |
| catherineD | can we share the product and not share the test result associate to it? | 19:21 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD: +1 | 19:21 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: a product may have many test runs and not all of then are shared .. | 19:22 |
| catherineD | so IMO we need the flag at the test level .. | 19:22 |
| rockyg | So, I think what is confusing is that with user, share==public, but with product, share==public or published. So, words in docs use shar, public, etc, but the field in all the tables should be named the same. | 19:22 |
| alexandrelevine | You can see in the Domain model, that Test Run is associated with the Cloud only. And Cloud is a Product, but it also is associated with Software which is also Products. | 19:23 |
| sslypushenko | alexandrelevine: All test results will be associated with Clouds? | 19:23 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Yes we can share a Product and not share a test result associated to it. | 19:24 |
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| rockyg | sslypushenko, don't they have to? | 19:24 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: I understand the model ... I am questioning what is the function of sharing a product in the reality ... it just allow listing of the prodcuts? | 19:24 |
| alexandrelevine | sslypushenko: Well, one definitely runs tests in against a Cloud, right? There is no way around it in our world :) | 19:24 |
| sslypushenko | rockyg: Trying to get the point | 19:24 |
| sslypushenko | alexandrelevine: In this case 'public' field for Product is working for me | 19:25 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Yes, it allows publishing of Clouds and Software, which can subsequently be viewed, associated with more tests, etc. | 19:25 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: yes but test run can only be initiated by a validated user regardless of whether the product is shared or not | 19:25 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Correct. And? | 19:26 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: By the way, not exactly correct. You told me that there are cases when anonymous use runs tests in a cloud | 19:26 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: we do not need to check the public attribute for running test | 19:26 |
| rockyg | catherineD, a user can publish test results against a product, but until the product itself is public, all the user is sharing is cloud test results, not product (officially, at least) | 19:27 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: anonymous user can run tests on its own cloud not any cloud ... | 19:27 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: I'm a user. I have my cloud. I run my tests. Everything is private. I do not want to show it to anybody else. It stays private. Afterwards I decided to provide my tests for analysis or browsing. I publish them. My cloud still stays private. | 19:27 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: yes you publish your test results not your cloud ... | 19:28 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: There is no such thing as "a cloud of anonymous user". From our point of view at least. We just get results with cloudID and no User ID. We have no idea who hacked what and run where. | 19:28 |
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| catherineD | the results will have cloud name (product name/ organization name )assiciated to it | 19:28 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: I still don't understand the question and the problem. | 19:29 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: There is no such thing as a cloud name at the moment. And if nobody registered such a cloud it still doesn't exist. But test results do. | 19:29 |
| sslypushenko | alexandrelevine: +1... It looks like 'public' should be helpful | 19:29 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Moreover. If I registered a cloud and I'm an approved vendor I still can leave it private and you'll see my results if I share them but not the name of my cloud. | 19:30 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: alexandrelevine: please explain the usecase again? | 19:30 |
| alexandrelevine | catheriheD: Which one? | 19:30 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: We have use-cases 17, 23 and 30. | 19:31 |
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| catherineD | I am not convince that we need the public attribute in the product .... l | 19:31 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Basically, they require the "public" to be for those entities. | 19:32 |
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| catherineD | ok let me review the usecases ... let's revisit later ... | 19:32 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: I'm sorry, we should go back to the requirements doc then, not the implementation if we disagree about such things. | 19:33 |
| catherineD | let's move to the next item ... | 19:33 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine:that is why I want to move to next item so I can review the doc ... | 19:33 |
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| catherineD | I do not want read offline so we can discuss the next item ... | 19:34 |
| catherineD | are we ok with? or do we want to stay on this topic? | 19:34 |
| rockyg | +1 next topic | 19:35 |
| sslypushenko | +1 | 19:35 |
| alexandrelevine | you decide :) I still don't understand the problem | 19:35 |
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| catherineD | alexandrelevine: we will revist ... we will come to agreement just like what we have done ... | 19:35 |
| alexandrelevine | sure | 19:36 |
| catherineD | #topic How do we want to save the URL in the product table? | 19:36 |
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| catherineD | is that the product_id field in andrey-mp: 's patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269066/13/refstack/db/migrations/alembic/versions/7092392cbb8e_create_product_table.py | 19:37 |
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| catherineD | catherineD: this is only needed for future "Centralized testing" | 19:38 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: What do you mean "future"? :) We plan to implement it very soon. Guidelines are already there. | 19:39 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: And by the way, since Cloud is a Product - the Product ID will store cpid and other Cloud IDs. So it's not future at all. | 19:40 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: that would be great ... Let me re-phrase ... that field is only needed for Centralized testing | 19:40 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Not correct. | 19:40 |
| catherineD | we have an ID field (UUID) to identify this product record ... | 19:41 |
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| alexandrelevine | That's the previously named "_id" internal id isn't it? | 19:43 |
| catherineD | Many clouds can be represent a software product ... only cloud should be certified for a software product ... | 19:43 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: I didn't quite understand this | 19:43 |
| catherineD | it is now ID and is public | 19:43 |
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| rockyg | I'm with alexandrelevine. I'm confused by your many clouds statement | 19:45 |
| catherineD | since test can be initiated on-premise by vendor, they can build clouds for the product ... we can not enforce that they use the same URL all the time .. | 19:45 |
| catherineD | rockyg: Huawei testing one of your product ... do you enforced that the cloud has to be built with the same URL all the time? | 19:46 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: id is a GUID, created by DB during object creation. Product_ID is a place to store cpid and such. | 19:46 |
| andrey-mp | cpid or cloud URL | 19:47 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: should we use CPID instead of Product_ID? | 19:47 |
| catherineD | andrey-mp: +1 | 19:47 |
| catherineD | that would be clearer ... | 19:47 |
| catherineD | and this field is very important for centralized testing but not for on-premise testing | 19:48 |
| andrey-mp | catherineD: but this table for clouds and products and it is better to store these ids in one field | 19:48 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Now we shouldn't. | 19:48 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Because cpid is just one of the cases of various Product IDs. | 19:48 |
| sslypushenko | alexandrelevine: +1 | 19:48 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: for software product it is one of the cases | 19:48 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: For which we have now external Cloud URL and will have Software Product ID whatever it is. | 19:49 |
| catherineD | for centralized testing it should be unique? | 19:49 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: There is no difference between centralized or any other kind of testing. | 19:49 |
| catherineD | thers is ... | 19:49 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: It's just the way you invoke tests. | 19:49 |
| catherineD | if I go to Amazone there should be one URL right? | 19:49 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Uniqueness of the Cloud being tests doesn't suffer because of the way we invoke our tests. | 19:50 |
| catherineD | if I install a cloud on-premise to test my product then there can be manyu clouds | 19:50 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: If we don't separate Amazon regions, yes, there will be one URL, correct. | 19:50 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Those will be different clouds, yes. Many but different. (if you installed many) | 19:51 |
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| catherineD | alexandrelevine: if you sepatate Amazon regions ... are they belong to one product? | 19:51 |
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| catherineD | and if you have many URLs how do you differentiate them? | 19:52 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: By Product you mean Cloud now, correct? If so, the answer is no - if we separated Amazon regions, we'll do this to consider them different Clouds, i.e. different Products. If we don't separate them - it'll be one Cloud, i.e. one Product | 19:52 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: How do you differentiate different URLs? I don't know :) I don't. They are just different. And if a Cloud is represented by a different cpid or URL, it's a different Cloud. I still don't understand the question, I'm affraid. | 19:53 |
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| catherineD | A product is a record that save in the product table ... a product can be software product (representing by a private cloud) or a public cloud | 19:53 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: This is an incorrect statement. | 19:54 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: please explain | 19:54 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Software Product and Cloud are different Products. So "a product can be software product (representing by a private cloud)" is not correct to say. | 19:55 |
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| catherineD | how do we test a software product? | 19:55 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: You talked me into combining both Software and Clouds into one entity - Product, remember? :) | 19:56 |
| catherineD | yes ... | 19:56 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: You test a Cloud which has some Software Products installed. Each Software Product is associated with Guidelines which defines which tests test this Software Product. | 19:56 |
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| catherineD | so a software product is actually a cloud with undetermine cloud implementation | 19:57 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: So when the tests are run we can deduce which correspond to which Software Product in this particular Cloud. | 19:57 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Software Product is NOT a Cloud. | 19:57 |
| catherineD | alexandrelevine: correct .. | 19:57 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Software Product is a software associated with the Cloud. | 19:57 |
| catherineD | ok let me ask in a different way | 19:57 |
| catherineD | how do we associate a software product to a cloud? | 19:58 |
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| catherineD | we only have 2 mins left ... | 19:59 |
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| catherineD | let's move to #refstack ... is it OK for everyone? | 19:59 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: We don't have to now. We can if we want, but we don't have to. Let's move to refstack and I explain. | 19:59 |
| * redrobot clears throat | 20:00 | |
| andrey-mp | ok | 20:00 |
| catherineD | sslypushenko: BTW, thanks for letting me know that I had started the meeting in the wrong place :-) | 20:00 |
| catherineD | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 25 20:00:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-01-25-19.10.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-01-25-19.10.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-01-25-19.10.log.html | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 25 20:00:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
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| woodster_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| silos | \o/ | 20:01 |
| jhfeng | o/ | 20:01 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:01 |
| elmiko | heyo/ | 20:01 |
| edtubill | o/ | 20:01 |
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| maxabidi | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | good to see al the IBMers show up on time :) | 20:02 |
| alee | o/ | 20:02 |
| silos | hehe | 20:02 |
| hockeynut | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | alrighty... a little litght on barbicaneers today | 20:03 |
| jhfeng | except fernando who is on vacation | 20:03 |
| mp1 | o / | 20:03 |
| redrobot | but that's ok. | 20:03 |
| redrobot | let | 20:03 |
| redrobot | let's get this started | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #topic Action Items | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-01-18-20.00.html | 20:03 |
| redrobot | All action items were mine, | 20:03 |
| redrobot | I did sync up with Anne Gentle IRL | 20:03 |
| redrobot | the docs team would like us to publish the User Guide to docs.openstack.org | 20:04 |
| spotz | o/ | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | probably end up here somehwere: http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/ | 20:05 |
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| elmiko | neat | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | They sent me a link to the Nova patches that got their piece of the user-guide there | 20:05 |
| arunkant | o/ | 20:05 |
| redrobot | I don't have much time to look into it now, but if anyone is interested I could give you more details offline | 20:05 |
| redrobot | I did not have time to look into the security bugs, so I'm punting on those | 20:06 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to check on status of reported security bug | 20:06 |
| pdesai | redrobot, i will be interested, can you please forward me the details | 20:06 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to ping ccneill about the nova+cinder security bug | 20:06 |
| diazjf_in_miami | O/ | 20:06 |
| redrobot | hi pdesai ! I'll shoot you an email with the details of what needs to be done. | 20:06 |
| panatl | o/ | 20:06 |
| jmckind | o/ | 20:06 |
| pdesai | sure thanks | 20:06 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to send pdesai details about publishing the user-guide | 20:07 |
| redrobot | ok, that's it for Action items, let's move on... | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #topic Liaison Updates | 20:07 |
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| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 20:07 |
| redrobot | Oslo - no updates from me | 20:08 |
| * redrobot did not really pay much attention at the oslo meeting today :-\ | 20:08 | |
| redrobot | Release Management - (also mine) - Barbican Mitaka-2 was released last week | 20:08 |
| redrobot | it was a bugfix release again, since we just recently started merging blueprints | 20:09 |
| kfarr | \o/ | 20:09 |
| redrobot | QA - hockeynut - any updates? | 20:09 |
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| hockeynut | redrobot the tailgaters group is no more - been consumed by other QA groups (Rally, etc) | 20:09 |
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| hockeynut | redrobot other than that, just keepin' on keepin' on | 20:09 |
| redrobot | awesome, thanks for the update hockeynut | 20:10 |
| * redrobot has no idea what the tailgaters are | 20:10 | |
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| redrobot | alee any updates from Magnum? | 20:10 |
| hockeynut | was a group looking at more complete openstak cloud testing (beyond just gate, tempest, etc) | 20:10 |
| alee | redrobot, no sorry -- missed their meeting last week | 20:10 |
| redrobot | no worries | 20:10 |
| redrobot | ok, that's it for cross-project liaisons | 20:11 |
| redrobot | let's move on | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | #topic BYOK Spec | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271517/ | 20:11 |
| redrobot | diazjf_in_miami taking a vacation break to talk about this? | 20:11 |
| diazjf_in_miami | Redrobot yup | 20:12 |
| diazjf_in_miami | On my cellphone lol | 20:12 |
| elmiko | hehe | 20:12 |
| elmiko | that's dedication ;) | 20:12 |
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| diazjf_in_miami | I just wanted everyone to check it out. I need to add the listed projects as well. Thanks elmiko :) | 20:13 |
| redrobot | I'm picturing diazjf_in_miami sitting in the middle of Miami beach squinting to try to see the phone through the sun glare... ;) | 20:13 |
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| elmiko | haha, redrobot++ | 20:13 |
| diazjf_in_miami | Redrobot you're not wrong ;) | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | ok, well let's get some eyes on that spec | 20:14 |
| diazjf_in_miami | Also I wanna know the process of getting a fish bowl together for the summit | 20:14 |
| diazjf_in_miami | Thanks! | 20:14 |
| redrobot | diazjf_in_miami I'm guessing you'll be getting the security folks to review as well? | 20:14 |
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| diazjf_in_miami | Redrobot for sure | 20:14 |
| redrobot | diazjf_in_miami awesome, thanks for the update | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:15 |
| redrobot | #topic Blueprint: Multiple-backends | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263972/ | 20:15 |
| woodster_ | diazjf_in_miami: the spec would need a security flag on it for a formal security review I think | 20:16 |
| redrobot | looks like woodster_ and rellerreller have been giving feedback on there | 20:16 |
| redrobot | woodster_ it's in the security-specs repo, so I imagine they'll be looking at it anyways | 20:16 |
| diazjf_in_miami | Woodster_ security flag? | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | diazjf_in_miami SecurityImpact | 20:16 |
| redrobot | ... | 20:16 |
| redrobot | back to the current topic... :-P | 20:16 |
| diazjf_in_miami | Woodster_ redrobot gotcha thanks | 20:17 |
| redrobot | looks like we're making progress addressing the outstanding concerns | 20:17 |
| redrobot | I'm concerned that this may not land in time for Mitaka | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | arunkant please take a look at the recent reviews | 20:17 |
| arunkant | redrobot: Did not get time to look into spec and address remaining questions..will add updated version this week..to keep it going | 20:17 |
| redrobot | this is a pretty big change, and I don't want to rush it ... | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | so we'll play it by ear and check up next week. | 20:18 |
| redrobot | arunkant thanks | 20:18 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:18 |
| redrobot | #topic Blueprint Reviews | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/barbican-specs+status:open | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | there's a few that already have +2s... hoping we can land those in the next day or two | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | silos did you ever get a chance to prioritize the Launchpad BPs? | 20:19 |
| * redrobot looks | 20:20 | |
| redrobot | nope doesn't look like it | 20:20 |
| silos | redrobo: no sorry, got caught up with other things | 20:20 |
| redrobot | silos no worries | 20:20 |
| redrobot | I just wanted to point out that we do still have a launchpad page to track blueprint priorities | 20:20 |
| redrobot | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/barbican | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | although they're not quite accurate right now, silos and I will be updating the priority on those | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | that's all I have on the agenda for today | 20:21 |
| redrobot | #topic Open Discussion | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | any other topics we should talk about while we're here? | 20:21 |
| elmiko | yea, i wanted to pass on a thanks to the barbican/castellan teams | 20:22 |
| elmiko | as of M2, sahara has full barbican integration =) | 20:22 |
| kfarr | Hooray! | 20:22 |
| redrobot | woot! that's awesome news elmiko ! | 20:22 |
| hockeynut | woot woot! | 20:22 |
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| woodster_ | \o/ | 20:22 |
| diazjf_in_miami | Great news!! | 20:22 |
| elmiko | so yea, good job all, and many thanks for all the help! | 20:22 |
| redrobot | diazjf_in_miami we need to add that to our Barbican slides! :D | 20:23 |
| silos | awesome! | 20:23 |
| * redrobot cheers all around | 20:23 | |
| diazjf_in_miami | Redrobot, for sure! I'll help you out in San Antonio March or April! | 20:23 |
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| alee | that reminds me -- I'm curious what talks folks are proposing for the summit in austin? | 20:24 |
| alee | redrobot, do we have a list of them anywhere? | 20:24 |
| redrobot | alee not yet | 20:25 |
| redrobot | alee do you want to start an etherpad to track them? | 20:25 |
| diazjf_in_miami | Alee we need something in before Feb 1! Pretty close deadline | 20:25 |
| alee | right | 20:25 |
| redrobot | I don't have any planned, but an engineer from Mirantis asked me to sit in a talk about OpenStack security... not entirely sure what he wants me to talk about. | 20:25 |
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| elmiko | security! | 20:26 |
| elmiko | ;) | 20:26 |
| alee | redrobot, I dont have any planned yet either - but I can set up an etherpad | 20:26 |
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| alee | redrobot, we should try to get at least some barbican related talks though .. | 20:26 |
| redrobot | elmiko lol... I figured | 20:26 |
| redrobot | I want to buy one of those new Yubikeys... they have PCKS#11 support now, so maybe we can use them as a backend to Barbican.... | 20:27 |
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| redrobot | if I could get that to work, I could do a talk like "Ghetto Barbican" or something like that ;) | 20:28 |
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| alee | redrobot, any feedback from the designate folks? | 20:28 |
| redrobot | alee none yet | 20:28 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to touch base with Designate folks | 20:29 |
| redrobot | alee I'll try to make it to their meeting this week. | 20:29 |
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| elmiko | redrobot: +1 for ghetto barbican, you could even have a container with a preconfig'd barbican lol | 20:29 |
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| redrobot | elmiko ... put like 8 yubikeys in a USB hub, and then run the containers on that same host... on-demand-ghetto-barbican! lol | 20:31 |
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| elmiko | haha, love it! | 20:31 |
| elmiko | "yes, yes it scales." | 20:31 |
| redrobot | lol | 20:31 |
| redrobot | hehe... anyway... if you do submit a talk let us know in the channel so we can help, or at least upvote it. | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | anything else before we call it an early day? | 20:32 |
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| silos | I got an old patch that's been sitting around ready for a workflow: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240339/ | 20:33 |
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| silos | If people have some free time. | 20:33 |
| redrobot | silos I may possibly have some free cycles if we end this meeting early :) | 20:33 |
| elmiko | redrobot: gotta combine the yubkey with this https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/compute-stick/intel-compute-stick.html perfect portable barbican | 20:33 |
| redrobot | elmiko ooooh! ... I wonder if it has any usb ports? | 20:34 |
| elmiko | it does | 20:34 |
| elmiko | i think the new one has 2 or maybe 3 ports | 20:34 |
| redrobot | elmiko oh man! I think I might actually try to make this talk a reality | 20:34 |
| redrobot | also it would give me an excuse to get some new toys | 20:34 |
| elmiko | yuss =) | 20:34 |
| elmiko | "Dude where's my key? Barbican on the go." ? | 20:35 |
| alee | redrobot, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-austin-summit-talks | 20:35 |
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| redrobot | haha, thanks alee | 20:36 |
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| diazjf_in_miami | Title a talk "keep Openstack weird" may work since we'll all be in Austin! | 20:37 |
| elmiko | haha, yes! | 20:37 |
| alee | it would be nice to have some talks on actual barbican deloyments / performance testing .. | 20:38 |
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| redrobot | alee I don't think we'll have enough Rackspace data for a talk this summit... definitely something we want to talk about in the fall summit though. | 20:39 |
| jhfeng | alee: we're planning proposal one | 20:39 |
| elmiko | alee: +1 | 20:39 |
| jhfeng | still working on details | 20:39 |
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| alee | jhfeng, excellent -- please add to wiki when its there :) | 20:39 |
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| jhfeng | redrobot: right, getting per data is a hard part right now | 20:40 |
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| woodster_ | redrobot: you're not saving the good talks for the Nov summit are you? :) | 20:40 |
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| jhfeng | s/per/perf | 20:40 |
| redrobot | woodster_ totally am | 20:40 |
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| redrobot | alrighty y'all seems like we're out of things to talk about | 20:42 |
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| redrobot | thanks for coming, everyone! | 20:42 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 25 20:42:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-01-25-20.00.html | 20:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-01-25-20.00.txt | 20:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-01-25-20.00.log.html | 20:42 |
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| elmiko | thanks redrobot | 20:42 |
| diazjf_in_miami | Thanks everyone have a good rest of the day! | 20:43 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | PM WG, I will have to skip today's call. It co-inside with Gold members meeting | 21:00 |
| shamail | #startmeeting product working group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 25 21:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:00 |
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| shamail | Okay Arkady_Kanevsky, thanks for the heads up. | 21:00 |
| kencjohnston | o/ Kenny's here | 21:00 |
| shamail | hi everyone! roll call please. | 21:00 |
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| MeganR | o/ | 21:00 |
| kencjohnston | and by Kenny I mean me... | 21:00 |
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| egafford | Hi there, this is Ethan Gafford; I'm joining as a liaison to the Sahara engineering team. | 21:01 |
| kencjohnston | FYI all I have to drop at the bottom of the hour | 21:01 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Shamail - I will have to skip today's call. It co-inside with Gold members meeting | 21:01 |
| kencjohnston | shamail Can I get a copy of those notes? | 21:01 |
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| shamail | Hi egafford | 21:01 |
| egafford | shamail: o/ | 21:01 |
| MarkBaker | shamail, o/ | 21:01 |
| rockyg | o/ | 21:01 |
| shamail | kencjohnston, i'll try.. i'll send via pigeons | 21:01 |
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| shamail | Alright, let's get going! Hello everyone | 21:01 |
| shamail | Agenda for today | 21:01 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:01 |
| sgordon | o/ | 21:02 |
| shamail | #topic Review actions items from last meeting | 21:02 |
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| kencjohnston | shamail I had a number of acitons. | 21:02 |
| shamail | In the last meeting, kencjohnston had taken a few items | 21:02 |
| leong | o. | 21:02 |
| kencjohnston | So I can start. | 21:02 |
| shamail | yeah.. :) perfect | 21:02 |
| kencjohnston | FAQ was added to the wiki | 21:02 |
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| shamail | Awesome, I have updated it to include a roadmap section too | 21:03 |
| kencjohnston | link:https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/FrequentlyAskedQuestions | 21:03 |
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| kencjohnston | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/FrequentlyAskedQuestions | 21:03 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/FrequentlyAskedQuestions | 21:03 |
| kencjohnston | I abandoned the one review item we'd asked to do at end of week | 21:03 |
| shamail | We left the -1 workflows alone right? | 21:03 |
| kencjohnston | And I started a thread about our end-of-time PWG CPL discussion | 21:03 |
| shamail | (based on sgordon's input) | 21:03 |
| kencjohnston | shamail One was appropriate to abandon | 21:04 |
| shamail | yeah, I agree with that one. | 21:04 |
| kencjohnston | the other, sgordon 's was not | 21:04 |
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| leong | so the FAQ is separated into two section: Workflow and Roadmap? | 21:04 |
| kencjohnston | So we should be good. | 21:04 |
| pchadwick | Hello | 21:04 |
| sgordon | yeah - i believe i also put another one up but i have some feedback to integrate and sections to fill out | 21:04 |
| kencjohnston | leong Yeah I was trying to add categories to the FAQ | 21:04 |
| shamail | The CPL/CSPL summary was great, the example really helped. Thanks for sending it out. | 21:05 |
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| kencjohnston | feel free to add new categories those were just a start | 21:05 |
| kencjohnston | shamail np | 21:05 |
| shamail | We'll add PWG to Cross-Project workflow as an agenda item for the week thingee can attend | 21:05 |
| shamail | to finish out the conversation that started in opens last week | 21:06 |
| shamail | He is unavailable this week | 21:06 |
| shamail | Thanks kencjohnston! I believe those were all of the items assigned to you. | 21:06 |
| shamail | The next one was for the entire group... "Please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255633/ and add your feedback on usefulness, approach, additional gaps, etc." | 21:06 |
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| leong | community might also be interested to find out "how PWG align/influence each project/ptl" | 21:06 |
| shamail | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255633/ | 21:06 |
| shamail | leong, that aligns with the workflow topic.. It would make a great addition to the FAQ as well. | 21:07 |
| shamail | Can you add it to the FAQ using the email that kencjohnston as the basis? | 21:08 |
| leong | ok | 21:08 |
| shamail | #action Leong will add workflow (e.g. how PWG works with projects) to FAQ using the summary that kencjohnston sent out to ML | 21:08 |
| shamail | So the user story that needed to be reviewed has none so far | 21:09 |
| shamail | I will be reviewing it this week (sorry for not doing it earlier) | 21:09 |
| kencjohnston | shamail That's right. :( | 21:09 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: As an owner, do you think that core should +2 by Thursday if no additional comments are provided by Thursday? | 21:09 |
| kencjohnston | shamail That would be great. Lots of feedback on it, all of it has been incorporated. | 21:10 |
| rockyg | good question | 21:10 |
| shamail | Did I mention "by Thursday"? :-) | 21:10 |
| kencjohnston | shamail and it is 45 days since the first patch at this point | 21:10 |
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| shamail | yeah, I think this one is ready to be merged and reviews are the bottleneck | 21:10 |
| shamail | If you agree with that deadline, can you please send an email to mailing list? Maybe we might get more people to click the link through that method? | 21:11 |
| rockyg | ++ | 21:11 |
| leong | +1 | 21:11 |
| pchadwick | +1 | 21:12 |
| leong | we should try to get the merged as soon | 21:12 |
| shamail | rockyg: It also leads to another question of whether once this is merged is it set in stone? Considering it's going to the tracked workflow | 21:12 |
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| shamail | What does the team think? Do we allow edits on tracked user stories? | 21:12 |
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| shamail | At that point, they should be "in flight" to implementation. | 21:12 |
| rockyg | So, what happens is that it can be amended through the same process it was created. Which means a pretty heavy duty process | 21:12 |
| shamail | Original discussion at mid-cycle was that they are "locked" | 21:12 |
| pchadwick | Do we want to account for feedback from the PTLs? | 21:13 |
| rockyg | That means changes should be well thought out, or problems with existing should be well stated to get the amendment through | 21:13 |
| kencjohnston | shamail I can say they can't be locked completely, I'll be updating the Gaps analysis as more info is provided and gaps are filled | 21:13 |
| shamail | I agree with that suggestion (of going through the draft -> proposed -> tracked workflow for edits to existing tracked stories) | 21:13 |
| shamail | Good question pchadwick, we had not communicated the existence of this patch/user story outside our team | 21:14 |
| kencjohnston | I think reviewers can keep in mind that the content of the user story shouldn't fluctuate significantly after entering tracked. | 21:14 |
| pchadwick | All plans only survive until the first engagement with the enemy | 21:14 |
| rockyg | Although John Garbutt is aware of it. | 21:14 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: gaps are now a seperate document based on the separation we did last week | 21:14 |
| shamail | and gaps won't alter the story itself | 21:14 |
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| pchadwick | +1 | 21:14 |
| shamail | Yeah, I know he is aware rockyg... but what about other projects (cinder, sahara, etc.) | 21:15 |
| shamail | Do we need to pause the +2 for one more week and use this week to send an email out on openstack-dev? | 21:15 |
| kencjohnston | John is aware because I asked him specifically | 21:15 |
| kencjohnston | shamail +1 | 21:15 |
| sgordon | shamail, i think we should allow edits at any point tbh | 21:15 |
| rockyg | The story and review link(s) should be published to the openstack-devs list with a [cross-project] and maybe an [all] in the subject. Then give it a week. | 21:15 |
| shamail | (or is another email list better?) | 21:15 |
| sgordon | shamail, i mean even in dev if something changes at implementation time we (ideally) go back and update the spec | 21:16 |
| sgordon | main thing is that we have a log (via git) of eidts | 21:16 |
| sgordon | imo | 21:16 |
| rockyg | And the Sahara CPL now knows about it, too ;-) | 21:16 |
| leong | the story itself doesn't change much on the rst itself. Gap analysis now goes into a new file under /gap folder | 21:16 |
| egafford | :) | 21:16 |
| rockyg | sgordon, ++ | 21:16 |
| shamail | sgordon: once we are in implementation... gaps will address new specs and changes to implementation (which is allowed) | 21:16 |
| kencjohnston | shamail rockyg I'm wondering if we should merge this change | 21:16 |
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| shamail | I'll use an example to illustrate concerns with allowing edits of the user story itself | 21:16 |
| rockyg | Reality always impinges its cruft on concept | 21:16 |
| kencjohnston | and then ask for additional patches from OpenStack dev. | 21:17 |
| kencjohnston | Because the original commit was for "Adding Gaps Analysis" | 21:17 |
| kencjohnston | and the dev list will want to comment on all aspects of the user story | 21:17 |
| rockyg | OK. I'm with kencjohnston now. Merge, then ask for comments. | 21:17 |
| shamail | what if we have a user story that says "as an administrator, I want to be able to check billing data using horizon" and then later we decide to edit it to "as an administrator, I want to be able to check health data through horizon" | 21:18 |
| shamail | all of the work that was in progress would have to change and/or be abandoned | 21:18 |
| rockyg | But, we'll need an open review to ask for comments.... | 21:18 |
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| shamail | kencjohnston: +1 (you're the user story owner :)) | 21:18 |
| rockyg | shamail, so, more likely you'c change horizon to something else, rather than change the pupose of the use case | 21:18 |
| kencjohnston | rockyg Is there a way to do that, make a minor change so it can be open for review? | 21:19 |
| sgordon | shamail, we wouldn't do that, because that would be dumb | 21:19 |
| sgordon | but that doesnt mean all edits are dumb | 21:19 |
| sgordon | this is why we have a review process after all to merge said editz | 21:19 |
| kencjohnston | sgordon +1, I think reviewers will make sure that scenario doesn't happen | 21:19 |
| rockyg | It's a a different use case, shamail | 21:19 |
| shamail | #action kencjohnston will send an email reminder to product ML to review rolling upgrade user story patch... Core will +2 by Thursday if no changes are necessary | 21:19 |
| leong | +1 | 21:19 |
| shamail | sgordon: +1 | 21:20 |
| sgordon | if it completely changes the use case, then of course we dont merge it | 21:20 |
| sgordon | but if it's just a clarification or w/e, possibly even one solicited by the dev project | 21:20 |
| rockyg | kencjohnston, I think you can just open it with a new commit message: get feedback from the projects or some such | 21:20 |
| sgordon | then i think we would merge that | 21:20 |
| shamail | sgordon, that was the only scenario I was hoping locking would prevent but we can overcome through reviews | 21:20 |
| rockyg | exactly. | 21:20 |
| rockyg | rejected as inappropriate. | 21:21 |
| kencjohnston | rockyg thanks, will do | 21:21 |
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| shamail | #startvote Allow edits to user stories even in "tracked" phase? Yes, No | 21:21 |
| kencjohnston | so shamail take another action for me to post a new commit and send aroudn to OpenStack dev post Thursday | 21:21 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Allow edits to user stories even in "tracked" phase? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 21:21 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 21:21 |
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| shamail | #vote yes | 21:21 |
| rockyg | #vote yes | 21:21 |
| kencjohnston | #vote yes | 21:21 |
| pchadwick | #vote yes | 21:21 |
| MarkBaker | #vote yes | 21:21 |
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| leong | #vote yes | 21:22 |
| MarkBaker | providing merge requests can be refused :) | 21:22 |
| shamail | They can :) | 21:22 |
| kencjohnston | MarkBaker oh they can | 21:22 |
| shamail | #endvote | 21:22 |
| openstack | Voted on "Allow edits to user stories even in "tracked" phase?" Results are | 21:22 |
| openstack | Yes (6): shamail, rockyg, kencjohnston, MarkBaker, pchadwick, leong | 21:22 |
| sgordon | #vote yes | 21:22 |
| sgordon | meh | 21:22 |
| sgordon | :p | 21:22 |
| shamail | #action shamail will update user story process page to state that stories can be editted in tracking | 21:22 |
| shamail | lol | 21:22 |
| kencjohnston | sgordon ha | 21:22 |
| rockyg | Shamail, amended, not edited...;-) | 21:23 |
| shamail | #action kencjohnston will post new commit of rolling upgrades user story and send it to openstack-dev ML | 21:23 |
| shamail | rockyg, fair | 21:23 |
| shamail | okay, I had an AI to "shamail will send an email to mailing list to identify sponsors for Austin talk proposals. | 21:23 |
| shamail | " | 21:23 |
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| shamail | Have not done that yet, but submissions abstracts have not been worked on yet either.. we'll visit this later in the agenda | 21:23 |
| shamail | changing topics... | 21:24 |
| shamail | #topic User Story Updates | 21:24 |
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| shamail | kencjohnston, want to go first since you have to leave in 6 minutes? | 21:24 |
| kencjohnston | shamail No update beyond what we discussed. | 21:24 |
| shamail | Thanks | 21:24 |
| shamail | sgordon, can you go next? | 21:24 |
| kencjohnston | shamail np | 21:24 |
| sgordon | my update looks a lot like ken's | 21:24 |
| sgordon | feedback received to be integrated | 21:25 |
| sgordon | by moi | 21:25 |
| shamail | Sounds good.. is this the right one to be reviewed: https://review.openstack.org/253228 | 21:25 |
| shamail | ? | 21:25 |
| shamail | err, updated | 21:25 |
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| shamail | sorry, it's already merged right? | 21:26 |
| shamail | So you will be making a new commit with the feedback incorporated... | 21:26 |
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| sgordon | i need to remove the WIP on that one i think | 21:26 |
| sgordon | i was thinking of https://review.openstack.org/224325 | 21:26 |
| sgordon | and https://review.openstack.org/269874 | 21:26 |
| shamail | +1 and please change the title as well (make it more descriptive) | 21:26 |
| rockyg | yup. that one is WIP, so it would need 2 +2s to commit | 21:27 |
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| shamail | Which user story in openstack-userstories does that nova-spec tie to? | 21:27 |
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| rockyg | the one sgordon just posted needs some reviews.... | 21:27 |
| shamail | #action Please review https://review.openstack.org/253228 (all) | 21:28 |
| rockyg | and https://review.openstack.org/269874 | 21:28 |
| shamail | That's the one I had intended... oops. | 21:29 |
| shamail | #action Please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269874/ (all) | 21:29 |
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| sgordon | shamail, sorry the nova-specs one is the one that merged in productwg | 21:29 |
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| shamail | got it! thanks. | 21:29 |
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| sgordon | that link is a vestige from the attempt to use backlog specs | 21:29 |
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| shamail | leong, can you please go next? | 21:30 |
| shamail | cya kencjohnston | 21:30 |
| sgordon | i'll abandon so it disappears | 21:30 |
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| shamail | thanks sgordon | 21:30 |
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| leong | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270015/ a new user story added for HA VM | 21:30 |
| rockyg | cool. Also everyone review https://review.openstack.org/224325 | 21:30 |
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| leong | it is a request from NTT | 21:30 |
| leong | NTT actually has some implementation on HA VM and wish to upstream the effort | 21:31 |
| shamail | So that is a new user story overall (e.g. does not belong to the "onboarding legacy apps" | 21:31 |
| leong | nope.. that's a new user story | 21:31 |
| shamail | leong, that is an interesting one to my organization as well.. I'll check out the code in the external repo | 21:32 |
| rockyg | leong, has NTT reviewed the patch? | 21:32 |
| rockyg | Could we get them to? | 21:32 |
| leong | I have send them the link and waiting from their review | 21:32 |
| rockyg | Excellent. | 21:32 |
| shamail | Thanks leong! It would be great if they can be the owners for that one | 21:32 |
| MarkBaker | leong, HA VM doesn;t sound very cloud native | 21:32 |
| * MarkBaker needs to read the review | 21:33 | |
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| rockyg | This one should also be advertised to the dev list. There is work, but it's scattered across projects. | 21:33 |
| leong | MarkBaker, you are right... that's not target for Cloud-native workload | 21:33 |
| shamail | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270015/ | 21:33 |
| leong | they have lots of customers that need HA VM | 21:33 |
| shamail | leong, this brings up a good question... | 21:33 |
| leong | so it can be a "related" story to "onboarding legacyapps" | 21:33 |
| shamail | normally, all user stories in our repo are sourced from market-specific working groups in OpenStack | 21:34 |
| shamail | Can/Should users/vendors post user stories directly here (instead of vetting through a market-specific WG first)? | 21:34 |
| pchadwick | The HA for VMs was originally discussed in the EWG | 21:34 |
| shamail | pchadwick, thanks... good info to have | 21:34 |
| leong | so for the HA VM.. NTT is more like the "customer" | 21:35 |
| rockyg | Also, HA goes beyond legacy. Cloud can enhance HA over traditional HA in that you have many more resources and flexibilty when done right. | 21:35 |
| shamail | MarkBaker, please review it and add your feedback to the review itself or would be glad to make it an agenda item in the future | 21:35 |
| shamail | rockyg: +1 | 21:36 |
| leong | rockyg +1 | 21:36 |
| shamail | Thanks leong. Any updates on "onboarding legacy apps"? | 21:36 |
| rockyg | Think of realtime disaster recovery ;-) | 21:36 |
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| rockyg | and business continuance | 21:36 |
| leong | sorry shamil, no update on "onboarding legacy apps" haven't got in touch with Gerg | 21:36 |
| shamail | Thanks leong! | 21:37 |
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| MarkBaker | shamail, will do | 21:37 |
| shamail | Thx MarkBaker | 21:37 |
| shamail | I will give a quick update on "onboarding legacy infra" since Jay (cloudrancher) isn't here | 21:37 |
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| shamail | He is trying to schedule a meeting with DericHorn to discuss getting additional resources.. depending on the outcome, this one might end up staying in "proposed" until there is more interest | 21:38 |
| pchadwick | Is there a user story for that one yet? | 21:39 |
| shamail | If anyone wants to help do gaps analysis and move that story forward, please contact cloudrancher and let him know | 21:39 |
| shamail | yes, not merged... (goes to find the link) | 21:39 |
| shamail | #link https://review.openstack.org/266068 | 21:39 |
| shamail | This basically comes down to importing existing VMs, volumes, etc. | 21:40 |
| shamail | and vice versa | 21:40 |
| pchadwick | Got it. | 21:40 |
| shamail | alright, changing topics... | 21:41 |
| leong | not importing.. is actually "managing and unmanaging" | 21:41 |
| shamail | Thanks for the updates everyone! | 21:41 |
| pchadwick | So at some level, "On-boarding infrastructure" doesn't mean that to me directly. | 21:41 |
| shamail | true leong, better way to state it. | 21:41 |
| shamail | I agree pchadwick | 21:41 |
| leong | +1 | 21:41 |
| shamail | we chose that term (for now) since originally it was using the "onboarding legacy apps" user story as the name | 21:41 |
| shamail | and we wanted to differentiate it from what was implied by apps... so infra seemed to be a quick way to separate the stories | 21:42 |
| rockyg | So, it would be migration, deployment and management | 21:42 |
| shamail | might need a rename eventually once we know more details about it | 21:42 |
| pchadwick | OK - makes sense. Perhaps something like "On boarding environments"? | 21:42 |
| pchadwick | ... existing environments" | 21:43 |
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| rockyg | or porting? | 21:43 |
| shamail | Maybe.. I think he is using "onboarding management" but that doesn't fit either | 21:43 |
| shamail | Let's discuss with him when he is here. | 21:43 |
| leong | is not porting.. the VM still remains in legacy virtualization | 21:43 |
| shamail | Okay, changing topics.. (since Jay isn't here) | 21:43 |
| shamail | #topic OpenStack Austin Talk Proposals [last week for submissions] | 21:44 |
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| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin_summit_product_wg | 21:44 |
| rockyg | migrating legacy apps and management? or maybe apps and SDLC? | 21:44 |
| shamail | We had started an etherpad to discuss potential topics that we could submit related to our WG | 21:44 |
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| shamail | The list has 8 entries but only four have "leads" or people willing to submit | 21:45 |
| leong | submission deadline is 1 Feb (next Monday).. | 21:45 |
| shamail | Can we update the etherpad this week with abstracts and presenters? | 21:45 |
| leong | i wasn't sure about the item 2.1 on the etherpad "State of cross releases epics that we started at Mitaka" | 21:45 |
| rockyg | Oh, I was gonna post a link to the list about a dev discussion that could be the catalyst for a talk... | 21:45 |
| shamail | It might help to get feedback from the team before submission | 21:46 |
| leong | not sure if Carol has time to do that as she only get back 1/28 | 21:46 |
| rockyg | ++ | 21:46 |
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| shamail | Agreed leong, I did not count that one as having a sponsor | 21:46 |
| leong | haha (y) | 21:46 |
| shamail | Carol should help with it (if someone submits) since she started the thread with Doug | 21:46 |
| pchadwick | Do we have a list of the Epics somewhere? (I know we have the slide from Tokyo) | 21:46 |
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| shamail | the themes? | 21:47 |
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| rockyg | stabilization discussion would be a good one for PWG to get into...I can write up an abstract. | 21:47 |
| shamail | pchadwick, by epics, do you mean themes? | 21:47 |
| pchadwick | I assume the themes stay the same, but were there specific | 21:47 |
| pchadwick | epics against the theme for (eg) Nova | 21:47 |
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| shamail | rockyg: +1 | 21:47 |
| shamail | Ah, pchadwick, we don't have it documented that way but it is represented in the roadmap | 21:48 |
| shamail | #link http://www.openstack.org/assets/tokyo-summit/OpenStack-Roadmap-Mitaka-Update.pptx | 21:48 |
| pchadwick | OK, that is what I thought | 21:48 |
| shamail | In the roadmap, we put each item being worked on under a theme/epic in the 1,000 ft view | 21:48 |
| leong | Somebody added item 9. I think that is quite important. "PWG's role in the Stabilization efforts of the dev community and how PWG can/will contribute" | 21:49 |
| pchadwick | shamail: thanks. | 21:49 |
| shamail | I'll send a reminder email to our ML about the current proposals etherpad... Please send out a quick email if you add an abstract (so people know to review it) | 21:49 |
| leong | rockyg +1 | 21:49 |
| pchadwick | I'll write an abstract | 21:49 |
| shamail | rockyg, just added it | 21:49 |
| shamail | Thanks pchadwick | 21:50 |
| rockyg | I'll get an abstract together for 9. then we can talk about format, etc. | 21:50 |
| shamail | #action shamail will send email about submission deadline and etherpad to ML | 21:50 |
| rockyg | Have to do it on the etherpad and/or mailing list to get it in on time. | 21:50 |
| shamail | #action people writing the abstracts for proposals, please let the ML know when you add a draft to the etherpad | 21:50 |
| rockyg | thanks, Shamail | 21:51 |
| pchadwick | Are we using this etherpad? | 21:51 |
| shamail | rockyg: let's keep the etherpad as the central location but encourage participation via ML | 21:51 |
| rockyg | ++ | 21:51 |
| shamail | Yes, the one linked at the start of this topic | 21:51 |
| shamail | Okay, I'm skipping the CPL agenda item since I can start that via ML | 21:51 |
| shamail | #action shamail will send an email to ML about missing key CPLs (e.g. Keystone, etc.) to ask for help | 21:52 |
| shamail | #topic Proposal: Meeting time adjustment to cater for other regions | 21:52 |
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| shamail | leong, can you lead this since it was your addition? | 21:52 |
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| leong | i was talking to a few Japanese enterprises, some are interested to participate in PWG discussion but the time seems awkward to them | 21:52 |
| leong | wondering if we can push our meeting to 1 or 2 hour later? | 21:52 |
| rockyg | ++ I might get some Huawei participation if this is asian accessible | 21:53 |
| MarkBaker | time is not overly convenient for me either | 21:53 |
| pchadwick | That starts to make it tough for Euro time zones | 21:53 |
| shamail | leong, can had to leave so I asked him to chime in early | 21:53 |
| MarkBaker | pushing back 2 hours makes it even less convenient | 21:53 |
| pchadwick | +1 | 21:53 |
| shamail | Kenny will not be able to join if we move the meeting later | 21:53 |
| rockyg | maybe alternate? | 21:53 |
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| shamail | I would have a hard time too (it's already 4P ET) | 21:54 |
| rockyg | Or regional with reporting back up to the main? | 21:54 |
| shamail | and 2 hours would move it into the evening (although it's doable) | 21:54 |
| MeganR | Could we have one time one week and one time another week? | 21:54 |
| shamail | rockyg: I like the second proposal | 21:54 |
| pchadwick | Yes, but it moves it to midnight CET | 21:54 |
| MeganR | I could push back one hour, but not two | 21:54 |
| stevemar | shamail: eek, didn't realize we didn't have one for keystone... thanks for the heads up | 21:54 |
| shamail | MeganR: Attendance might be low if we do alt | 21:54 |
| shamail | np stevemar, we had one but that person doesn't have time anymore :( | 21:55 |
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| leong | move 1 hour probably still workable for them... as that would be 7am their time | 21:55 |
| stevemar | shamail: ah it's normally someone from the working group? (we can chat after meeting) | 21:55 |
| shamail | How about rockyg's second proposal? We keep our weekly Monday meeting at this time but add an additional meeting (weekly or bi-weekly) as regional? | 21:55 |
| leong | do we want to put up a doodle? | 21:55 |
| rockyg | Yeah, but doesn't work for China. | 21:55 |
| shamail | I am sure some of us will be on both | 21:55 |
| shamail | stevemar: For PWG it is, i'll contact you to let you know more about the role | 21:56 |
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| leong | or shall we postpone this to Midcycle meetup? | 21:56 |
| shamail | leong: +1 for midcycle | 21:56 |
| rockyg | If we could get Japan, China, Korea, Vietnam, Australia, etc all on a regional one, that might give them some autonomy, too. | 21:56 |
| rockyg | +1 leong | 21:57 |
| shamail | I actually like the second proposal a lot | 21:57 |
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| shamail | I am not a fan of alternating our existing meeting because initial attendance might be low on the alt one. | 21:57 |
| leong | let's but that to midcycle discussion.. meanwhile keep the time as is | 21:57 |
| shamail | we could revisit once we have momentum on a, separate, regional one. | 21:57 |
| shamail | Sounds good leong | 21:57 |
| rockyg | And, we might be able to get Mark or kenny in on some of the regional meetings... | 21:57 |
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| shamail | Please add it to the mid-cycle agenda etherpad | 21:58 |
| shamail | Alright... | 21:58 |
| shamail | #topic opens | 21:58 |
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| shamail | anything else? | 21:58 |
| shamail | we have 2 minutes | 21:58 |
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| shamail | #action leong to add revisiting our meeting time(s) to the mid-cycle agenda | 21:59 |
| leong | +1 shamail.. i'm adding now.. :-) | 21:59 |
| shamail | Thanks for coming everyone!!! Look forward to the abstracts | 21:59 |
| shamail | Have a great day! | 21:59 |
| pchadwick | bye | 21:59 |
| MeganR | Bye! | 21:59 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 25 21:59:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-01-25-21.00.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-01-25-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-01-25-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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| rockyg | shamail, already added to midcycle etherpad | 22:00 |
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