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bswartz#startmeeting manila15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan 28 15:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
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bswartzhello all15:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)"15:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'manila'15:00
cknightHi15:00
mkoderero/15:00
Yogi1Hi15:00
vponomaryovhello15:00
tpsilvahello15:00
gansohello15:00
aovchinnikovhi15:00
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markstur_hi15:01
bswartzxyang markstur_: courtesy ping15:01
bswartz#agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings15:01
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bswartzso a few of us are sitting in the cinder midcycle today15:02
bswartzso there might be minor distractions15:02
bswartzbut let's get going15:02
bswartz#topic Hierarchical port binding support15:03
*** openstack changes topic to "Hierarchical port binding support (Meeting topic: manila)"15:03
bswartzmkoderer: you're up15:03
mkodererok so that's mine15:03
mkodererwe are thinking about Hierarchical Port Binding for manila15:03
mkodererfor those of you that never heard about it: https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/neutron-specs/specs/kilo/ml2-hierarchical-port-binding.html15:03
bswartzI've taken a look at this (briefly) and it seems like a great idea15:03
mkodererso it's a technique to fix the VLAN 4096 limitation with an hierachical architecture15:04
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bswartzthis solves a problem that we (the manila team) has been struggling with for 3 years15:04
mkodererwe are collection idease here currently: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-hierarchical-port-binding15:04
mkodererI will have a meeting with some network experts tomorrow to get much more details15:05
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* mkoderer is not a network expert15:05
bswartzI wasn't aware that neutron had already done the hard work here -- I always assume we would have to solve this problem in manila15:05
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mkodererthe idea is that we find a implementation that is manila driver independent15:05
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bswartzso I know a lot about networking, but very little about neutron in particular15:05
bswartzmkoderer: is it possible that a solution could be created without even modifying manila?15:06
kaisers1<-- lurks in quickly15:06
bswartzor do we need to make some changes?15:06
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mkodererbswartz: mh I mean it's always possible to assign a port manually15:07
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mkodererbut I think get it triggered and managed with manila would be the most convenient way15:08
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bswartzwell NetApp has a driver that works with vlan but not vxlan15:08
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bswartzso we tell customers they have to use vlan only with neutron if they use the share-server version of our driver15:08
mkodererdo we have other drivers that only support vlans?15:08
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bswartzif we can demonstrate a config that makes that unnecessary that would be a huge win15:09
bswartzand if there are gaps, then those are the things we should address with the above BP15:09
bswartzmkoderer: I think one of the EMC drivers may15:09
vponomaryovmkoderer: EMC and Huawei probably...15:09
mkodererok good.. I need to have a look to this drivers too15:09
bswartzmkoderer: you can grep the drivers to find out for sure, or ask on the ML15:10
mkodererbswartz: sure15:10
mkodererso plan is that we open up a lp bp in the next days15:10
bswartzso I think it's too late to do this in Mitaka, unless it turns out to be pretty small15:10
bswartzhowever it could land early in Newton15:11
bswartzIMO that's what we should aim for15:11
mkodererbswartz: yeah.. we need to get it ASAP :) so N-1 would be good15:11
bswartzokay15:11
mkodererone open issue is QA15:11
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mkoderersince testing it needs a network fabric that supports HPB15:12
bswartzmkoderer: are you volunteering to do the needed proof of concept and dev work yourself or do you need help?15:12
bswartzoh that's a good point15:12
bswartzI can ask around at NetApp since they stand to gain a lot from this BP15:12
bswartzif I shake the right trees some money or hardware might fall out15:13
mkodererbswartz: yeah so I will be the assignee15:13
mkodererbswartz: that's what I wanted to hear :)15:13
bswartzthat could take several weeks though15:13
mkoderersince we won't build a 3rd vendor test facility15:14
vponomaryovvery high trees? ))15:14
bswartzokay anything else before we move on?15:14
mkodererbswartz: yeah let's discuss this when we have someting more in detail :)15:14
mkoderernope15:14
bswartz#topic Core reviewer team and other manila-related projects15:14
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bswartzso just a reminder that we currently operate 4 repos:15:15
bswartzmanila, manila-ui, python-manilaclient, and manila-image-elements15:15
bswartzall of them except manila-ui have the same core reviewer team15:15
bswartzmanila-ui has our core reviewer team plus horizon's15:15
bswartzwe need core reviewers to make sure they're looking at all of those repos, otherwise patches will get stuck15:16
bswartzif that turns out to be too much work, we could look at expanding the core reviewer teams for some of the smaller projects15:16
bswartzmanila-image-elements in particular is a different type of project15:17
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bswartzis there any interest in expanding the core reviewer teams for the subprojects independently of the main manila project15:17
bswartz?15:17
bswartz.....15:18
mkodererbswartz: which one does have the most pending reviews?15:18
* bswartz taps the microphone15:18
markstur_Those reviews are usually pretty small. More an issue of testing and QA.15:19
bswartzmkoderer: the most work is still in the main manila project15:19
markstur_We can use more +1s always.15:19
mkodererI will add those project to my gerrit query :)15:19
bswartzhowever manila-image-elements has been needing the most attention15:19
mkoderereven though I have no idea about manila-image-elements15:19
markstur_If we have someone focus on something like image then it would be fine to expand15:20
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bswartzokay maybe the problem is just not enough awareness15:20
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bswartzwe should also check that stackalytics has the right associations so people are credited for their reviews there15:20
markstur_(I wasn't watching image elements at all until bswartz brought it up earlier)15:20
xyang1I tend to search in manila and forget about other subprojects.  it is an issue of awareness as well15:21
bswartzokay let's see if things get better now that we've reminded everyone15:21
* gouthamr_ expands watched projects15:21
markstur_Otherwise we could just expand core for all of them together15:21
bswartzif it's still a problem we can revisit the concept of expaning the core reivewer teams later15:21
bswartzmoving on....15:21
bswartz#topic Replication status15:22
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bswartzso the replication code has been in review for a long time now15:22
bswartzI hope nobody has any objections they haven't raised yet because I'm hoping to see it merge very soon15:23
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bswartzmy own remaining objection is around the first party driver support and it looks like that will be solved shortly as we finally have a promising solution using ZFS15:23
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vponomaryovbswartz: will have some results when I do some POC generic driver support15:23
bswartzwe are going to start running up against deadlines starting in 2 weeks15:23
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bswartzonce we have a POC posted, I will want to start workflowing the core code immediately15:25
bswartzso this is just a reminder: do your reviews of the replication code now if you haven't already15:25
bswartzI expect to see merge conflicts, and there are other important new features too15:26
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bswartzI really hope we manage M-3 better than L-3 went, so my approach will be to start sooner15:27
vponomaryovbswartz: is there netapp driver support for replication?15:27
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bswartzgouthamr: is it somehow not in gerrit???15:27
gouthamr_vponomaryov: it's being developed downstream, will be up for review soon15:28
ameade+115:28
bswartzWTF?15:28
bswartzhow it that not upstream?15:28
vponomaryovgouthamr_: good to know15:28
bswartzpush it up today please15:28
gouthamr_bswartz: will do.15:29
bswartzthx15:29
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bswartzthe netapp support has been working since tokyo15:29
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bswartzalthough there have been changes since then obviously15:30
bswartzokay that's all I had to say on that topic15:30
bswartz#topic open discussion15:30
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bswartzanything else for today?15:30
ganso#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245126/15:30
gansothat should be ready for reviews15:30
gansoit is not passing jenkins because jenkins broke today15:31
gansobut I added a "depends-on"15:31
gansoso it should work now... it is in zuul's queue15:31
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bswartzganso: thanks15:31
bswartzthat's also urgent to get merged15:32
* bswartz puts a gold star on 24512615:32
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gansoI advise all driver maintainers to rebase on top of that patch and implement update_access() in their drivers15:32
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bswartzmkoderer: do you have a specific city for the summer midcycle proposal yet?15:33
gansodo not wait until it merges15:33
bswartzganso: +115:33
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bswartzmkoderer: ?15:35
bswartzI think we need to start asking about travel soon if that's going to happen15:35
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bswartzI really like the idea of being more friendly to our european team members15:36
gansoI also, it is important to note that the fallback approach in that patch MUST be removed later in Mitaka... we should not have drivers holding it back15:36
bswartzokay I think we lost mkoderer15:36
bswartzI think we're done for today15:37
bswartzthanks all15:37
vponomaryovthanks15:37
bswartz#endmeeting15:37
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Jan 28 15:37:19 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:37
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xarses#startmeeting fuel16:00
xarses#chair xarses16:00
xarsesTodays Agenda:16:00
xarses#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda16:00
xarsesWho's here?16:00
maximovhi16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan 28 16:00:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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mwhahahahi16:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'fuel'16:00
openstackCurrent chairs: xarses16:00
salmon_hi16:00
ashtokolovhi16:01
rmoehi16:01
mihgenhi16:01
kozhukalovhi16:01
fzhadaevHi!16:01
SheenaG\o/16:01
akislitsky_hi16:01
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xarseslets get started then16:02
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yottatsahi16:02
xarses#action items from last meeting16:02
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xarsesdoh16:02
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xarses#topic action items from last meeting16:02
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xarsesSheenaG will follow up with GregE regarding desired UI elements from NFV features work in 916:02
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mattymohi16:03
SheenaGDone - met with Dmitry and DP today to discuss, following up with DP on Monday re: minimum UI possible16:03
SheenaGDmitry will provide estimates of dates for API availability16:03
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SheenaGThen UI team will scope work and determine if it's reasonable or not16:03
warpchi16:03
bgaifullin_hi all.16:03
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xarsesthanks16:04
xarsesSheenaG bookwar will follow up on creating a scenario/policy for vendor specific code16:04
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SheenaGHad a meeting this morning, most of the details are ironed out - follow up for QA on who will monitor BVT failures on vendor specific ISO16:04
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sboghi16:05
SheenaGxarses: next16:06
xarsesso we have identified who will create the scenario/policy?16:06
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SheenaGxarses: bookwar_ has it all outlined, will send to mos-dev with follow up for QA16:06
xarsesok, thanks16:07
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xarsesogelbukh will start moving configdb code over to openstack16:07
bookwar_xarses: we working on details with vkramskikh and ikalnitsky16:07
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xarsesogelbukh: ?16:08
xarsesthanks bookwar_16:08
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xarsesmoving on then16:08
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xarses#topic UI Team status (vkramskikh)16:09
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vkramskikhHi! This week there was only 1 High UI bug for 8.0 ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1538757 ). It's not fixed yet, but is going to be fixed soon.16:09
openstackLaunchpad bug 1538757 in Fuel for OpenStack 8.0.x "[fuelmenu] Default gateway set to None on 'Apply' action" [High,Incomplete] - Assigned to Matthew Mosesohn (raytrac3r)16:09
vkramskikhWe've started working on 9.0 features:16:09
vkramskikh1) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/converge-to-eslint-config-openstack - mostly done, some minor patches are expected. The spec is ready to be merged.16:09
vkramskikh2) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/redesign-of-node-roles-panel - in progress, probably we'll change the scope to introduce role groups for better UX and fix long-living bug-feature https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/137575016:09
openstackLaunchpad bug 1375750 in Fuel for OpenStack mitaka "Controller CPU/RAM are counted as cloud's capacity" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Fuel UI Team (fuel-ui)16:09
vkramskikh3) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/network-requirements-popup - development is in progress16:09
vkramskikh4) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/node-display-ip-address - design is in progress16:09
vkramskikh5) Ability to show all network groups - part of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/multirack-in-fuel-ui which wasn't done in 8.0 - development is in progress16:09
vkramskikh9.0 features on hold:16:09
vkramskikh1) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/remove-vendor-code - waiting for infra16:09
vkramskikh2) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/separate-fuel-ui-repo - waiting for kozhukalov, who is busy with docker removal16:09
vkramskikh3) NVF features - scoping is still in progress16:09
vkramskikhQuestions?16:09
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angdraugcan you comment on remove-vendor-code?16:10
vkramskikhwhat do you want to know?16:10
vkramskikhas bookwar_ said, we're still discussing branching strategy16:10
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angdraugdo I understand it right that it's waiting on conclusion of the policy discussion between you, ikalnitsky, and bookwar?16:11
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vkramskikhyes16:11
angdraugok, making sure there's nothing else pending from infra here16:11
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angdraugthanks16:11
xarses#topic Enhancements Team status (ashtokolov)16:12
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ashtokolovWe are working on:16:12
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ashtokolov1. Polishing task-based deployment engine and we are going to merge it next week16:12
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ashtokolov2. Gracefully stop Deployment and further restart it16:12
ashtokolov3. Deployment Tasks idempotency with Fuel Mixed Team16:12
ashtokolovThat's all16:13
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ashtokolovQuestions?16:13
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maximovwhat about bugs related to task based deployments16:14
xarsesis the new task engine enabled by default in 8?16:14
ashtokolovmaximum, there are 3 bugs, we are going to fix all of them on this week16:14
maximovashtokolov: ok16:14
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angdrauggracefully stop: is that referring to the problem of stopping a deployment of changes over an existing env?16:15
ashtokolovxarses, nope, 8.0 - experimental only, 9.0 - by default16:15
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ashtokolovangdraug, no, it's only for task-based and LCM16:15
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ashtokolovGraceful stop can be enabled by task idempotency16:16
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xarsesdoes this mean that we are also going to be able to (eventually) resume after the first failure?16:16
angdraug#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/084700.html16:16
angdraugplease make sure you take the thread ^ into account16:16
ashtokolovxarses, it means that we will rerun puppets w/o reprovisioning for all node, which were stopped gracefully16:17
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ashtokolovand re provision nodes with failed tasks16:17
ogelbukh_ashtokolov: re-run from the point where it was stopped?16:18
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ashtokolovangdraug, there is no way to fix it with granular deployment16:18
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ashtokolovogelbukh_ from the beginning16:18
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xarsesre-provison failed nodes? wait what?16:19
ogelbukh_ashtokolov: good, thank you16:19
angdraugashtokolov: just make sure you don't break it further :)16:19
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angdraugif you can't fix it, stop button should remain disabled for production envs16:19
angdraugmoving on?16:20
xarses#topic idempotency (ashtokolov)16:20
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ashtokolovxarses, if puppet finished with error, there is no way to be sure that rerun can help16:20
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ashtokolovas I mentioned above we are working on Deployment Tasks idempotency with Fuel Mixed Team16:21
xarsesmoving then?16:22
mwhahahawell it might be able to be fixed if someone typoed a setting or ip address, but there's no guarantee that rerunning would fix it16:22
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ashtokolovfirst step is to rerun all tasks twice and checks how it can brake the env16:22
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xarses#topic NFV status and specs (yottatsa)16:23
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yottatsaI’ve finished with specs for SR-IOV and DPDK features, as well as skolekonov done spec for NUMA/CPU pinning. Pls review. Design is almost established.16:23
yottatsaPackaging is done and we’re ready for merging it in 9.0.16:23
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xarsesyottatsa: do we need to backport anything for 9-kilo?16:24
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yottatsasmatov is working on backport question16:24
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xarsesok, thanks16:25
xarses#topic Telco Team Status (fzhadaev)16:25
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fzhadaevFuel Telco Team Status:16:25
fzhadaev1. One of the main activities is fixing of bugs for 8.016:25
fzhadaevIn progress: 216:25
fzhadaevDone: 716:25
fzhadaev2. Actions related to 9.0:16:25
fzhadaev2.1 We're continue scoping NFV-related features. For now the spec for NUMA/CPU Pinning is in review state[1] and the spec for Huge Pages is in progress (soon will be on review).16:25
fzhadaev2.2 We've started scoping one of tech-debt items related to implementing support of cgroup containment for OpenStack and other services in order to not affect other services. There is no blueprint for this activity yet..16:25
fzhadaev[1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273043/4/specs/9.0/support-numa-cpu-pinning.rst16:25
fzhadaevThat's all. Any questions?16:25
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xarsesI'm assuming your working with yottatsa on the NFV features?16:26
yottatsaxarses fzhadaev yep16:27
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fzhadaevyes )16:27
angdraugmoving?16:28
xarses#topic UCA Mitaka status (mattymo)16:28
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mattymooh I thought I put bugfix first. Let's do UCA16:28
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mattymoI sent out a mail today regarding successful deployment of Mitaka b1 through bvt16:28
mattymohttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/085190.html16:29
angdraugnice work!16:29
xarsesWOOO!16:29
mattymoSome challenges are apt pins because there are haproxy and ceph packages there. Our config doesn't work with newer ceph, unfortunately16:29
ogelbukh_that's awesome, mattymo16:29
xarseso.O16:30
mattymoThe only openstack bug we haven't fixed is one that reproduces in devstack. nova service-list reports extra services that don't actually report any status. osapi_compute and metadata. The services really do work, but they report XXX state. rpodolyaka is going to work on fixing that upstream16:30
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mattymobookwar_, will set up a regular job so we can gate against UCA Mitaka starting next week to make sure we don't introduce regressions16:30
xarsesmattymo: please send me a bug on the ceph issue16:30
angdraughave you overcome the apt pin challenges for haproxy and ceph or is that still a problem?16:31
mattymoxarses, I don't have one yet... I was more racing to get it deployed than to figure out exactly how it broke. I have time now to give you a good report, however. Expect it tomorrow16:31
mattymothe pins aren't hard to set up, no16:31
xarsesok thanks, this is fantastic anyways16:31
angdraugok good, so you're not blocked on that16:31
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mattymob1 landed on Jan 20, midway through testing, so it was funny to see it break16:31
angdraugcores, please get this reviewed and merged asap16:31
angdraugyou mean b2?16:32
mattymohttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:puppet-mitaka iberezovsky is coordinating all the puppet fixes, actually. I had a lot of help from him. We're hoping to land all the mitaka manifests by tomorrow16:32
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mihgengreat work guys, thank you16:34
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xarsesplease keep in mind, we want to avoid patching the openstack module16:34
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mattymoxarses, there are very few of those16:35
mattymoWe can move on to bugfixing I believe16:35
xarses#topic Bugs team status (mattymo, akislitsky) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-bugs-status16:35
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mattymoI won't spam you this week. Breakdown of open bugs for Fuel 8.0 is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-bugs-status16:35
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mattymoThere are 39 critical/high bugs open. The majority is in Python team. In Library side (where I am), bugfix team owns only a handful of what's open, so we're mainly working on bugs confirmation and then medium 9.0 bugs.16:35
mattymoWe have 2 very serious library side bugs. One is regarding ntpdate and the other regarding openstack client and keystone availability.16:35
mattymohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1533082 which sbog is working on16:36
openstackLaunchpad bug 1533082 in Fuel for OpenStack 8.0.x "[BVT] Deployment failed with Failed to execute hook 'sync_time' command: cd / && ntpdate -u" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Stanislaw Bogatkin (sbogatkin)16:36
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mattymothis is the other: https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/153911716:36
openstackLaunchpad bug 1539117 in Fuel for OpenStack mitaka "Keystone api sporadically stops answering" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to MOS Puppet Team (mos-puppet)16:36
mihgenholser_: I thought you merged a fix to this one ^^^ ?16:36
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mattymothe second is keystone api availability is really quite poor, even on a single controller deployment16:36
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holser_The fix didn’t help a lot16:37
mattymoit causes random deployment failures16:37
aglarendilmihgen: this is completely diffferent bug16:37
holser_though we produced another fix16:37
mihgenI meant for 153308216:37
aglarendilokay, so it did not help much, I changed some of the args of timeout command to make it kill ntpdate in a less gentle manner16:38
aglarendilmihgen: ^^16:38
mihgen:(16:38
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mihgenit's still regression folks, as we had may be not ideal but better situation before16:38
mihgenso may be we increased a load to VMs?16:39
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mihgenmay be we can mitigate it now just by increasing resources for CI? And switch to sntp in 9.0?16:39
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holser_yep for #153308216:39
aglarendilmihgen: we do not have RCA right now. it seems an ntpdate bug which might have been triggered by underlying OS changes, e.g. security or kernel updates16:39
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aglarendilmihgen: it is just the start of the deployment, there is no significant load so far16:40
mihgen(( let's keep troubleshooting then...16:40
xarsesmoving?16:41
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xarses#topic review queue bit.ly/1RD6JLR (mihgen)16:41
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mihgenJust wanted to highlight this. For fuel-specs repo, holser, ikalnitsky, can you take an action item and ensure that subject matter experts review those?16:41
mihgennurla - please take a look at fuel-qa patches16:41
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ikalnitskymihgen: sure16:42
mihgenkozhukalov: there is a patch to fuel-agent too16:42
nurlamihgen: sure16:42
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mihgenthat's it for this one16:42
xarses#topic Fuel/Solar integration workshop: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-solar-workshop-poznan-jan-16 (mihgen)16:42
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mihgenIt is hard to tell in a few words what have been discussed. We'd still need to make some of a decisions. So overall we've discussed:16:42
mihgen1) Issues which we have with current Fuel data flow (astute.yaml, can't easy extend/modify data, etc.)16:42
mihgen2) ConfigService proposal and how it may solve issues. To my view, it's in many ways similar to Solar resources + plugable Data Processors16:42
mihgen3) Solar concepts and appoach to solving issues outlined presented16:42
mihgen4) Problems with the approach identified, which needs to be resolved -16:42
mihgen  a) If we consider Fuel Managers, aka Network Manager, Volume Manager, etc. as having their own DBs, then there will be problem of syncronization of data with SolarDB. Or, we'd have to acknoledge that there will be no way to rollback configuration of environment, and we can move only forward with changes.16:43
mihgen  b) it's not yet fully clear what component and how will be creating Solar resources (we call it Policy Engine, but there is no clear definition for it yet)16:43
mihgenso it's still early to have any final decisions, but I think we are doing a good progress overall16:43
angdraugno rollback sounds like a no-go to me16:43
mihgenin understanding how Solar+Fuel would work together16:43
mihgenangdraug: it may be a hard-to-believe reality ;)16:44
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mihgen#link  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-solar-workshop-poznan-jan-1616:44
aglarendilmihgen: distributed transactional coordination engine is a must have in this architecture16:44
mihgenso you can take a look for some notes there16:45
YorikSarangdraug: rollback will have to be implemented as some external script. No single component (even Solar) can contain enough knowledge to handle rollback.16:45
aglarendilit is hard to write such things16:45
ogelbukh_no rollback is ok as long as there's restore16:45
xarsesit won't be16:45
aglarendilbut it is what we need to do16:45
xarsesit will have to be integrated16:45
angdraug+1 to aglarendil16:45
aglarendilalthough some of things are not rollbackable16:45
xarsesgetting rollback in the normal workflow is a blocker16:46
aglarendile.g. if you actually zero out data on the disk16:46
aglarendilthere is no way back16:46
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xarsesreprovision the node with the old settings =)16:46
aglarendilbut IP allocation or simpler things are important to get rollbacked at least from business logic point of view16:46
xarsesyes, data is gone16:46
YorikSaraglarendil: We need to see user stories that are left uncovered before introducing distributed transactions.16:46
salmon_rollback sometimes may be possible. It depends from where we get a data which needs to be reverted16:46
ogelbukh_that's not rollback, xarses :) that's revert or restore16:46
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aglarendilYorikSar: I frankly cannot understand the link between them16:47
angdraugbackup/restore is ok as a fallback, not as the only way to undo a change of a single line in nova.conf16:47
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xarsesas far as the operator is concerened, they have to be able to un-do or go back to old settings16:47
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pigmejaglarendil: even with distributed transactional engine you may end with a state that you can't rollback. With multiple sources of data you're in troubles anyway16:47
aglarendilI think we need to move this hot topic to ML16:47
xarsesaglarendil: +116:47
mihgenwe'll try to collect all the pros/cons16:47
aglarendilpigmej: I may in troubles out of the box even with one source of data16:47
pigmejyeah but then it's different story16:48
xarseslets move on then16:48
xarses#topic Mixed Team Status (asaprykin)16:48
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mihgenit's gonna be quite hard to discuss over email, frankly, as it's complicated even near whiteboard16:48
asaprykinMixed team is working on bugfixing and reviews.16:48
asaprykinCurrently we have 3 high priority bugs related to 8.0.16:48
asaprykinFor https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1538526 (zynzel) patch is ready and on review. It's being tested by QA team and will be merged after it's done.16:48
asaprykinhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1536314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1538226 are on review as well.16:48
asaprykinEstimated time when patches will be merged is Monday \ Tuesday.16:48
openstackLaunchpad bug 1538526 in Fuel for OpenStack mitaka "Openstack-config missing relationships for new options" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Bartosz Kupidura (zynzel)16:48
openstackLaunchpad bug 1536314 in Fuel for OpenStack mitaka "Verify network fails after backup-reinstall-restore Fuel" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Peter Zhurba (pzhurba)16:48
openstackLaunchpad bug 1538226 in Fuel for OpenStack "Master node migration failed with on 'lvcreate os -n root -L 9,77g'" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Peter Zhurba (pzhurba)16:48
asaprykinQuestions?16:49
xarses#action aglarendil raise rollback support in solar to the ML for further discussion16:49
ogelbukh_mihgen: I guess this cannot be discussed in an abstract manner, we need to be much more concrete on what we gonna do and how16:49
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ogelbukh_1536314 - does it relate to dockerctl backup/restore?16:50
ogelbukh_asaprykin: ^^16:50
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asaprykinYes, it is related to dockerctl backup/restore16:51
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ogelbukh_does it even make sense to fix if we are dropping docker in 9.0?16:51
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mihgen8.0 still have docker16:52
asaprykinIt should be backported to 8.016:52
ogelbukh_it says mitaka in bug report16:52
ogelbukh_k, I see16:52
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xarses#topic Network Team status (alex_didenko)16:53
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ogelbukh_we have troubles with it in 7.0 too, are you going to backport it there as well?16:53
alex_didenkoWe're working on bugs. Also we're in the process of deprecating and removing old "nodes" list. This list does not take into account network roles and templates so pulling information from it is not reliable. We should pull info from "network_metadata" instead.16:54
alex_didenkoIt's already removed from fuel-library, all the corresponding functions are updated as well. Removing it from nailgun is in TODO.16:54
alex_didenkoWe're also working on a bunch of tricky bugs, running a lot of discussions on them in order to find the best solution. Some of those discussions are on ML already so feel free to join :)16:54
alex_didenkoThat's it, thanks16:55
xarses#topic Upgrades team status (ogelbukh)16:55
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asaprykinogelbukh_: AFAIK it's about 8.0 currently. Need to clarify this information.16:55
xarsesalex_didenko: thanks!16:55
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ogelbukh_we've completed backup part, working on restore on 8.016:56
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ogelbukh_some issues in astute's puppet manifest, nothing blocking16:57
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ogelbukh_I also wanted to ask for revivews on bunch of upgrade specs for 9.0 and further16:57
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angdrauglinks?16:57
mihgenogelbukh_: you'd need to coordinate with holser_ & ikalnitsky on who should be assigned from subject matter experts..16:58
ogelbukh_got some excellent feedback already from xarses and mwhahaha16:58
ogelbukh_mihgen: yes, we do, and will go on16:58
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xarses1 min16:59
angdraugconfigdb?16:59
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xarses#topic Configdb status (ogelbukh, ytaraday)16:59
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ogelbukh_angdraug: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/fuel-specs+owner:%22Oleg+Gelbukh+%253Cogelbukh%2540mirantis.com%253E%22 - spec links16:59
YorikSarWe've been and will be discussing it with Solar team here.16:59
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YorikSarIt's unclear if it's still needed if we target Solar, that's yet to be discussed..17:00
angdraugthanks, and time17:00
tmcpeako/17:00
xarsesand thats time, thanks for playing folks17:00
xarses@endmeeting17:00
xarses#endmeeting17:00
ogelbukh_bye, thanks17:00
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hyakuhei#startmeeting Security17:01
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'security'17:01
hyakuhei#chair tmcpeak17:01
tkelseyo/17:01
openstackCurrent chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak17:01
hyakuheio/17:01
tmcpeako/17:01
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rockstaro/17:01
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hyakuheitmcpeak: I have to finish a call, you’ll have my full attention in 2 minutes or so17:01
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elmikohi17:01
tmcpeakhyakuhei: cool man17:01
tmcpeakelmiko: what up17:01
dg_hey17:01
elmikotmcpeak: nada, you?17:02
shelleea007hello17:02
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tmcpeakyo yo17:02
tmcpeakpretty good17:02
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tmcpeaklet's start building up an agenda17:02
browneo/17:02
tmcpeakone sec, I'll do an etherpad17:02
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tmcpeakhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20160128-agenda17:02
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michaelxinhi17:02
tmcpeakplease add all the things to the etherpad17:03
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michaelxinelmiko: did you get the stickers?17:03
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elmikomichaelxin: i did, thank you!17:04
elmikoi even put one on my laptop already XD17:04
michaelxingreat. np17:04
hyakuheiback :)17:04
hyakuheiMan those stickers are awesome17:04
dg_there is stickers?17:04
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dg_s/is/are17:04
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hyakuheidg_: I have some for you17:05
michaelxinI ran into Rachel who designed the logos and gave her a couple too.17:05
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hyakuheiExcellent, Rachel is awesome!17:05
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dg_hyakuhei sweet17:05
michaelxin+117:05
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hyakuheiok then, lets crank it :)17:05
hyakuhei#topic Bandit17:05
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tmcpeakcool, so we did a new release this week17:05
tmcpeakahem, three of them17:06
hyakuheilol17:06
tmcpeakthanks to a bunch of silliness17:06
brownehaha17:06
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tmcpeakbasically that was just to implement the .bandit feature some of the teams I'm working with really needed17:06
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tmcpeakthat buys us some time to do 1.0 with good quality and the way we want17:06
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michaelxingood job17:06
tmcpeakif we need anything else meantime we can push to "stable" which is basically the 0.17.x line17:06
tmcpeaknext real release will be 1.0 it seems17:07
tmcpeaktkelsey: you want to do an update on that?17:07
tkelseyon the 1.0 front, I have a bunch of changes for new/old config compatibility17:07
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tkelsey1.0 will have backwards compatibility to help early adopters move over17:07
tmcpeakI'll do thorough reviews later this morning17:07
tkelseywe are actually quite close to 1.0 feature wise, but we need to do a push on bringing docs up to date17:08
tmcpeaksweet17:08
tmcpeakand TONS of testing17:08
tkelseyand close of a bunch of bugs etc17:08
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tkelseytmcpeak: +117:09
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elmikonice, and it's awesome to see all the activity recently from new folks getting into bandit17:09
tkelseyelmiko: for sure :D17:09
tmcpeakelmiko: +117:09
tkelseywe seem to have had a surge of interest following the midcycle :)17:09
tkelseyvery nice to see17:09
tmcpeakseems like it's really picking up steam17:09
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elmikoyea, totally awesome and job well done to the bandit team =)17:10
michaelxin+117:10
hyakuhei+!17:10
tmcpeakelmiko: thanks!17:10
tkelseywell job well done OSSP :)17:10
hyakuhei+1 it’s a great flagship for the Security Project17:10
elmikohyakuhei: +117:10
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hyakuheiAnymore on Bandit?17:10
tkelseyanyway, I have no more specific on bandit, we can move on unless there is more17:11
tmcpeakthat's good for Bandit17:11
tkelseyheh17:11
tkelsey:)17:11
hyakuheicoolio17:11
hyakuhei#topic Blog17:11
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hyakuhei#link https://openstack-security.github.io17:11
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hyakuheiThere’s a few completed posts up there. It’d be nice to have more :)17:11
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tmcpeakwe should start trying to get it out there too17:12
hyakuheiIdeas on that?17:12
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elmikohyakuhei: do you have any thoughts on what the general tone and topic should be there?17:12
tmcpeakwell let's add it to our deck17:12
tmcpeakfor starters17:12
mvaldesis there any easy way to know they are complete?17:12
mvaldesand which need contribution17:12
elmikofor example, should it be general openstack security, or can we talk about specific projects?17:12
hyakuheiIf they’re listed there, they’re complete17:13
tmcpeakshare on the twitters?17:13
hyakuheiDrafts should be in branchs/pull requests: https://github.com/openstack-security/openstack-security.github.io17:13
hyakuheieveryone is welcome to contribute17:13
hyakuheiand as long as it’s related you can blog it17:13
mvaldesthank you17:13
elmikoack, so anything openstack + security related?17:14
hyakuheiWant to blog about how RH uses sVirt for KVM, etc that’s fine17:14
hyakuheiYeah, no sales pitches, but you can take credit where it’s due17:14
elmikoor how we use DogTag for perfect CA ?17:14
hyakuheiie the threat analysis post for example17:14
elmikodang..17:14
hyakuheielmiko: exactly17:14
tmcpeakelmiko: LOOL17:14
dg_elmiko lol17:14
* elmiko wishes nkinder was here17:14
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michaelxin+117:15
hyakuhei:D17:15
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hyakuheiMight be worth doing something clever to cross post to medium or something like that17:15
elmikoalso, did you register the blog with planet openstack?17:15
elmikoi thought we had a nice rss agregator somewhere17:16
tmcpeakI will add it to our security pitch deck17:16
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hyakuheiExcellent plan elmiko17:16
elmikohyakuhei: http://planet.openstack.org/17:16
hyakuhei#action hyakuhei to register with planet.openstack.org17:16
hyakuheiThanks elmiko17:16
tmcpeakyeah, good idea17:16
michaelxinwhat's planet website for?17:17
hyakuheiAggregator17:17
elmikoit's a blog aggregator17:17
hyakuheiClick on it17:17
hyakuheiWe’re on the front page atm :D17:17
michaelxinhttp://superuser.openstack.org/articles/takeaways-from-the-openstack-mitaka-mid-cycle-security-meetup17:17
hyakuheiwhoop!17:17
michaelxinwho wrote this? Good job!17:18
brownecool17:18
tmcpeakmichaelxin: Nicole from the foundation wrote it, but Rob and I answered her questions for it17:18
hyakuheiThere’s a lot of copy/paste in there :)17:18
michaelxinexcellent17:19
hyakuheiand a lot of love for you guys17:19
michaelxintmcpeak: Thanks.17:19
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tmcpeakyeah, I'm already missing breakfast tacos17:19
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hyakuheilol17:19
hyakuheiany more on that ?17:19
michaelxinlol17:19
tmcpeakshould be good17:19
hyakuheiOk, decent sized agenda today so let’s roll on.17:20
hyakuhei#topic OSSN17:20
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hyakuheiOnly three in the queue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn it would be nice to clear them out17:20
tmcpeak0060 finally out the door :P17:20
hyakuheiany takers?17:20
hyakuheiDave Mc was working on the Nova/Cinder one17:21
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elmikoi thought there was some question about the blacklist one, no?17:21
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elmikolike, should it even be an ossn17:21
hyakuheiLet me take another look17:22
tmcpeakelmiko: which one?17:22
hyakuhei#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/149703117:22
openstackLaunchpad bug 1497031 in OpenStack Security Notes "Authenticated Denial of Service in Blacklists" [Undecided,New]17:22
elmikothe possible dos from designate17:22
mdongyeah I was the one who found that bug, it’s already been mitigated in Designate17:22
elmikowe had a big discussion about whether this was a vuln or just bad config or something17:22
tmcpeakI remember this17:22
hyakuheiWould it DoS all of Designate or just one users instance/invocation17:23
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mdongwhen it was reported, all of Designate17:23
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hyakuheiMy feeling is it probably is OSSN worthy17:24
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elmikocool17:24
tmcpeakI don't know what we'd propose as a mitigation?17:24
hyakuheioh wait, ok I just the that blacklist creation is admin-only17:24
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hyakuheiDon’t create a dumb blacklist?17:24
hyakuheiAs Security notes are just signposts for users about bad/insecure things I’d be ok with an OSSN17:25
tmcpeakhaha17:25
elmikook, i can take a stab at it since i kicked the dustball17:25
rockstarI'd agree that the 3rd option is probably the most practical.17:25
tmcpeakhyakuhei: hmm ok, if we're really telling admin's "be conscious about your blacklist" doesn't seem like that really needs a note, does it?17:25
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elmikolol, this is like a re-do of the conversation we had last time17:26
tmcpeakit seems far down on the list of bad things admin could do17:26
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hyakuheiWontFix.17:26
hyakuheiNext.17:26
tmcpeak:D17:27
hyakuheisicarie: you around to talk Security guide?17:27
elmikowe've had a few slow weeks for the sec-guide17:27
hyakuheiAny updates?17:27
sicarieelmiko is probably better suited for this update17:27
hyakuhei#topic Security Guide17:27
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sicarieI've been underwater on other things17:27
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elmikomainly just small bug fixes coming in17:27
elmikoi think we still have a long term plan to get a new leaf version out, but i don't think there has been movement on it17:28
elmikothat's about it, we need to get back on track with our plans for revamping some of the networking sections though17:29
sicarie"some"17:29
hyakuheiWhat’s required to help drive that forward?17:29
elmikosicarie: ;)17:29
elmikoi think we mainly need more bodies who are willing to do doc work and now the networking service well17:29
sicariethe leaf version requires a pdf, so we need to get the sphinx jobs back up and running and producing it17:29
elmikos/now/know/17:30
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sicarienetworking requires either a neutron resource or someone to spend quite a bit of time int he code17:30
hyakuheiIs it worth sending a mail to -dev asking for contributors from Neutron ?17:30
sicariei've been pushing to get the neutron docs lead, but haven't been able to tie him down17:30
tmcpeakhyakuhei: that seems reasonable17:30
sicariecould be, though I think i attempted that at one point last year17:30
hyakuheiBreifly explain what the SecGuide is, how there’s a noticable gap for Neutron and ask for help bridging that?17:30
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sicarieyeah, seems reasonable17:31
tmcpeakshould probably keep it rolling, looks like we're about 1/3 through agenda and 1/2 through time17:31
hyakuheiAnyone want that as an action?17:31
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sicarieif nobody else will, i will, but it won't be completed until mid to late next week17:32
hyakuhei#action sicarie to find someone to write or author himself a mail for -dev re: contributing to the sec guide17:32
hyakuhei#topic Outreach17:32
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hyakuheitmcpeak: ?17:32
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tmcpeaknothing new on my side, anybody get anywhere with setting up new meetups?17:33
michaelxinAs you might know that Rackspace are teaming with Intel17:33
elmikoin the next month or two, i am going to be connecting with the MichSec group17:33
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elmiko#link http://michsec.org/17:33
elmikogonna try to setup a talk with them17:33
tmcpeakelmiko: awesome!17:33
michaelxinWe are working on a proposal to get someone from Intel to work on OSSP17:34
tmcpeakI'm also going to follow up with some professors at SJSU and SCU and see if any students are interested in hearing about this17:34
elmikomichaelxin: ooh, nice17:34
tmcpeakmichaelxin: that would be awesome17:34
elmikotmcpeak: +117:34
michaelxinWill keep you guys updated with the progress17:34
michaelxinelmiko: +117:34
hyakuheiexcellent!17:34
tmcpeakthat's probably good on outreach this week17:35
michaelxinagree17:35
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hyakuhei#topic Summit Talks17:35
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tmcpeakwhen is voting open?17:35
ccneillo/ sorry I'm late, stupid monitor was being stupid17:36
tmcpeakI guess after deadline, Jan 31?17:36
elmikohehe, i hope so ;)17:36
hyakuheiDeadline over the weekend, FYI I’m putting in three talks, one an update on the awesomeness of the security group, second one on threat analysis and third a laterall exploitation talk17:36
hyakuheitmcpeak: TBD17:36
tmcpeakI've got one with gmurphy on Security CI17:36
michaelxingee, talk monster17:36
hyakuheiLol, I only list them for full disclosure :)17:37
elmikohyakuhei: laterall exploitation?17:37
hyakuheiThree’s the max this time around17:37
hyakuheiYeah, so what can you do to a production cloud if $x suffers a compromise17:37
hyakuheiSay, Nova, Libvert, Swift Backend server etc17:37
elmikooh, awesome17:37
michaelxinshut down it17:37
tmcpeakmichaelxin: LOL17:37
tristanCoh hai, I might propose an OpenStack CVE Process to answer the I think I found a security bug, what17:37
hyakuheiWell we always just assume it’s all FUBAR and it probably is17:37
tristanChappens now?17:37
hyakuheibut I’m going to have graphics!17:37
elmikotristanC: +117:38
hyakuheitristanC: Great plan!17:38
hyakuheiAs OpenStack grows we get lots of derivative talks. A few years back I did one reviewing all the major OSSA and CVE17:38
hyakuheiNext summit had 5 proposals doing the same thing17:38
elmikohyakuhei: i've been working on something that is similar about exploiting clouds from the inside, not up for a talk yet, but i'm curious how accepting the summit commitee is for talks that show exploits?17:39
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hyakuheiTALKS LIKE THAT ARE AWESOME17:39
hyakuheiI mean, not so much if they’re 0days17:39
tmcpeakway more if they're 0 days17:39
hyakuhei:D17:39
dg_lol summit != blackhat17:39
hyakuheiSo long as responsible disclosure has been followed for whatever the issue is, go nuts17:39
michaelxinAnyone knows exactly about talk reviewing/acceptance process?17:40
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hyakuheimichaelxin: Sure, ping me an email if you like17:40
elmikohyakuhei: ack, excitement noted ;)17:40
tmcpeakyou make a bribe to Rob, and you're off to the races17:40
elmikohaha17:40
michaelxintmcpeak: +117:40
hyakuheiOr we can followup after this but I’ve got limited availability17:40
dg_tmcpeak its more complicated than that, you have to bribe elmiko too17:40
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michaelxinhyakuhei: sure, will send you an email.17:40
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tmcpeak;)17:41
elmikodg_: sadly, i'm not on the conference commitee17:41
hyakuheimichaelxin: My paypal is the same address17:41
michaelxinjust wired you 10,000$ :-)17:41
hyakuheiSweet17:41
hyakuheiWhat are you going to say in your 10 talks ?17:41
hyakuheibecause you bought the track17:41
dg_lol17:41
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elmikohaha17:42
hyakuheiRight, limited time so we’ll breeze through this next bit17:42
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hyakuhei#topic Design Summit Proposals17:42
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dg_me me me me17:42
michaelxinhow many sessions will we get this time?17:42
hyakuheiNot for a while yet, we will be trying to get many more slots this time as well as sessions on the X-project17:42
hyakuheimichaelxin: we won’t know that for quite some time17:43
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tmcpeakx project?17:43
dg_im keen to do a design session on threat analysis, and maybe one on PKI17:43
hyakuheidg_: +117:43
michaelxin+117:43
tmcpeakdg_ that would be awesome17:43
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elmikodg_: i'd be up for that17:43
hyakuhei#topic Threat Analysis - Next Steps17:43
elmikoTA that is17:43
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dg_and i had a crazy idea to get a group of interested people together and try and run through a threat analysis on the last day of the summit, the one where there is no talks17:43
hyakuheidg_: Yup that’ll be a good thing to try17:44
michaelxinTim's breakdown of bandit plugin in mid-cycle is a great one17:44
hyakuheiI’m hoping to get anchor through one first17:44
dg_+1 meetup in bristol/wales17:44
tkelseyty michaelxin :)17:44
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michaelxinIt will teach new members to get start quickly.17:45
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hyakuheiYeah!17:45
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hyakuheiok, speeding on!17:45
hyakuhei#topic SWAG17:45
michaelxinWe also like a session about fuzzing testing API, include syntribos17:45
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elmikomichaelxin: +117:45
hyakuheiDo we want swag for the conference.17:46
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tmcpeakhyakuhei: yes, yes we do.17:46
michaelxinDo we have budget?17:46
elmikowho doesn't want swag...17:46
dg_yes. preferably not black17:46
tmcpeakhoodies with the logo?17:46
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hyakuheimichaelxin: Do you think we could get Rachel’s help again?17:46
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michaelxinfrom foundation?17:46
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michaelxinhyakuhei: Yes.17:46
dg_tmcpeak +117:46
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michaelxinShe is happy to help.17:46
hyakuheiI’m finding out about budget this week17:46
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elmikosince it's in austin, i think 10 gallon hats or oversized belt buckles17:46
hyakuhei+100017:46
dg_+117:46
mvaldeslol17:46
elmikohaha17:46
michaelxin+117:47
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hyakuheiI’m trying to put together funding. Add your name and a +1 to the etherpad if you want swag please17:47
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tmcpeakwhich etherpad?17:48
michaelxinwhich etherpad?17:48
tmcpeakwe have a swag etherpad?17:48
elmikolol17:48
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dg_swaggerpad17:48
hyakuheithe agenda one17:48
hyakuheihttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20160128-agenda17:48
hyakuheihaha17:48
hyakuheiok, need to move on, we’ll skip the writeup17:48
hyakuhei#topic Syntribos17:48
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hyakuheimichaelxin: you’ve got a whole 5 minutes for Syntribos!17:48
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michaelxinIs mdong here?17:49
michaelxinSo MDong has been working on it.17:49
michaelxinThe team met and discussed about the plans and futures.17:49
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tmcpeakccneill: lol17:49
ccneill:D17:49
mdongsorry I’m here17:50
michaelxinWe created some blueprints for features that we want to implement17:50
michaelxinThe team started working on it.17:50
hyakuheiI demand links!17:50
mdonghttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/syntribos17:50
hyakuheiNice. I might even be able to help with some of those17:51
michaelxinhyakuhei: +117:51
mvaldes#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/syntribos17:51
tkelseyhyakuhei michaelxin +117:51
mdongso we definitely want to build some serious momentum here, a few people on our team have started work, and we’d love it if more can join17:51
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elmikoi would really love to get involved with syntribos, i've just been over-stretched recently :/17:52
hyakuheiWe might be able to push some effort torwards it17:52
tkelseyhyakuhei: +117:52
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hyakuheitmcpeak: tmcpeak: thoughts on applicability to HDP (edge testing)?17:52
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tmcpeakhyakuhei: yeah, definitely seems like something we should at least play with17:53
hyakuhei+117:53
hyakuheiExcellent, we can throw some small amount of effort at it for a while then :)17:53
tkelseyseems like some nice low hanging fruit on the BP page17:53
tkelseyformatters for example17:53
tmcpeakI'll carve out a few hours to play with it17:53
hyakuhei+117:53
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mdongawesome! glad to hear it17:54
hyakuheiNext up I had Anchor 1.0 discussion but I have zero bandwidth for that this week anyway so that can roll on17:54
hyakuhei#topic Any Other Business17:54
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hyakuheiConsider throwing your twitter handles on the etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20160128-agenda17:54
hyakuheiSo we can promote links/blog posts etc a little more easily17:54
hyakuheiAnything else to discuss in the next 5 minutes?17:55
dg_TA, very quickly?17:55
dg_elmiko I've gone through your comments and made a whole bunch of changes, will be pushing to gerrit again soon, so please have a look when its up17:55
hyakuheiSure17:55
elmikodg_: ack, will do, and thanks =)17:56
dg_still obviously WIP, but iterating in the correct direction, I hope17:56
elmikoyea17:56
hyakuheiWe need to have a separate meeting about TA next week, to discuss next steps, where docs are going to live, the tools we’re going to use, how to step through the process etc17:56
elmikoi realize those docs will need to be hammered on for a bit, hence why i was trying to avoid -1'ing just yet17:56
dg_hyakuhei +117:56
elmikoyea, +117:56
elmikomaybe a google hangout or something?17:57
dg_yeah sounds good17:57
michaelxin+117:57
michaelxinPlease include me too.17:57
hyakuheiYeah. Throw your email address on the agenda17:57
hyakuheiI put a section at the bottom17:57
dg_hyakuhei add times you can do to an etherpad for TA meetup17:57
hyakuheiSure, though I was going to email around re: times.17:58
dg_whatevs17:58
hyakuheiok we’re running up on time. Any last minute stuff?17:58
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hyakuheiRighto, lets call it :)17:59
hyakuhei#endmeeting17:59
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hyakuheiThanks all!17:59
michaelxinbye17:59
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tmcpeaklater all!17:59
elmikothanks hyakuhei17:59
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hyakuheiGood meeting!17:59
ccneillo/17:59
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tmcpeakthanks hyakuhei18:00
dg_clap it out guys18:00
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amitgandhinz#startmeeting Poppy Weekly Meeting19:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan 28 19:01:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is amitgandhinz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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sriramyo yo yo19:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'poppy_weekly_meeting'19:01
amitgandhinz#topic Rollcall19:01
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sriramo/19:01
tonytan4evero/19:01
amitgandhinz#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Poppy19:01
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amitgandhinzAgenda ^19:01
malinio/19:02
cathRo/19:02
amitgandhinz#topic Review Last Week19:02
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amitgandhinz#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/poppy/2016/poppy.2016-01-21-19.05.html19:02
amitgandhinzwell nothing to report here lol19:02
amitgandhinzlooks pretty blank to me19:02
sriramyeah we skipped the meeting last time.19:03
amitgandhinz#topic Mitaka Progress19:03
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amitgandhinz#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/mitaka19:03
amitgandhinzsriram: Analytics Update - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/analytics19:03
sriramamitgandhinz: yeah I have a base patch and a dependent patch19:04
sriramlet me get those patches19:04
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srirambase patch: https://review.openstack.org/26592419:04
sriramdependent patch: https://review.openstack.org/27152819:04
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sriramso good progress :)19:05
amitgandhinzthe first one has a couple of +2's on it19:05
amitgandhinzcan we merge it?19:05
amitgandhinzits sitting at +5 overall19:05
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sriramwe can nothing stopping us.19:06
amitgandhinzthe other one has a -119:06
sriramyeah addressing them19:06
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sriramand also fixing the way we handle async stuff, for better performance19:06
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amitgandhinzok cool19:07
amitgandhinztonytan4ever: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/poppy/+spec/akamai-ssl-driver19:07
tonytan4everThis one is an ongoing process19:07
tonytan4everMight leave it as Good Progress ?19:07
amitgandhinzya19:08
tonytan4everCool19:08
amitgandhinzsbartel around?19:08
amitgandhinznot in the channel19:08
amitgandhinzi did see him try to create the horizon ui project but havent seem any progress on it since then19:08
sriramdont see him here.19:09
amitgandhinzok any other blueprints or bugs we need to discuss?19:09
srirammalini: ^19:09
sriramI dont think so, these are the ones we are making major progress on.19:11
amitgandhinzok19:12
amitgandhinz#topic Big Tent19:12
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amitgandhinzokay, lets have a discussion about Big Tent19:12
amitgandhinzwe should probably apply for this19:12
sriram+119:12
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amitgandhinzget some formality around our project since we are doing everything in the openstack way19:12
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sriramwhat are the criteria we need to match?19:13
mkmadIs there a deadline for the application?19:13
amitgandhinz#link http://inaugust.com/posts/big-tent.html19:13
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amitgandhinzbasically if you are doing everything in the community in an openstack mindset then you are an openstack project and can ask to be part of big tent19:15
amitgandhinzas far as i can tell, nothing else changes in the way we are currently doing things19:15
maliniJust found this one https://governance.openstack.org/reference/new-projects-requirements.html19:16
sriramamitgandhinz: ok that makes sense.19:16
* sriram clicks19:16
amitgandhinzwe have a strong history of all of that19:17
sriramliasons.19:17
sriramthat is the only thing I can think about.19:17
sriramI think we meet the other requirements19:17
sriramamitgandhinz: at this point, since you are the PTL, you would be the liason too? So I think we meet that as well.19:18
amitgandhinzwe may as well ask, worse case they come back with some requests19:18
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sriramamitgandhinz: true19:19
amitgandhinzok i will send an email to the TC for consideration19:19
sriramwooot19:19
amitgandhinzany objections?19:19
sriramyou waana do a vote?19:20
sriram:P19:20
mkmadNope, please fire the email away!!19:20
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amitgandhinz#vote apply for Big Tent19:20
sriram#vote Yes19:20
mkmad+119:20
amitgandhinz#vote Yes19:20
mkmad#vote Yes19:20
malini#vote Yes19:20
cathR#vote Yes19:21
sriramNice19:21
amitgandhinzoops did that wrong lol19:21
amitgandhinz#startvote Should we apply for Big Tent? Yes, No19:22
openstackBegin voting on: Should we apply for Big Tent? Valid vote options are Yes, No.19:22
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.19:22
amitgandhinz#vote Yes19:22
sriram#vote Yes19:22
mkmad#vote Yes19:22
cathR#vote Yes19:22
amitgandhinzmalini: tonytan4ever ?19:23
malini#vote Yes19:23
tonytan4everYES19:23
tonytan4ever#vote Yes19:23
amitgandhinz#endvote19:23
openstackVoted on "Should we apply for Big Tent?" Results are19:23
openstackYes (6): amitgandhinz, malini, mkmad, cathR, sriram, tonytan4ever19:23
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amitgandhinzgreat19:23
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amitgandhinz#topic Open Discussion19:23
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amitgandhinzso i submitted a talk for Austin Openstack19:24
sriramnice work!19:24
amitgandhinzjust submitted one talk this time, same as the one i gave in Tokyo19:24
mkmadNice.19:24
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mkmadWhat did you give on Tokyo?19:24
amitgandhinzanyone else want to submit one?19:24
cathRWoot! Come to Austin!19:24
sriramtonytan4ever and I were thinking about showing of our usage on taskflow in poppy19:25
amitgandhinzmkmad: you can watch it online - https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/videos/presentation/cdn-for-your-cloud-openstack-poppy19:25
sriramtonytan4ever: ^19:25
tonytan4everyes19:25
amitgandhinzsriram: tonytan4ever: you should submit the talk19:25
amitgandhinzthe deadline is feb 119:25
tonytan4everOkay19:25
sriramok, lets work it on tomorrow, tonytan4ever :)19:26
mkmadamitgandhinz: Great,Thanks!!19:26
tonytan4everWe will try submit the talk tomorrow19:26
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amitgandhinzok any other topics to discuss?19:26
sriramnothing from me19:26
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amitgandhinz#action amitgandhinz to email TC regarding Big Tent19:27
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amitgandhinzok thanks everyone19:29
amitgandhinz#endmeeting19:29
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