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| n0ano | #startmeeting nova-scheduler | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 29 13:59:56 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
| n0ano | anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 14:00 |
| Yingxin | o/ | 14:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:00 |
| bauzas | n0ano: you're early today, you beated me at the clock | 14:00 |
| n0ano | bauzas, yeah, I beat the top of the hour by abouot 10 sec :-) | 14:01 |
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| bauzas | oh, beat, beat, beat, irregular verb | 14:01 |
| n0ano | well, the usual suspects are here so let's get started | 14:01 |
| n0ano | #topic Patches/Reviews – https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Patches/Reviews – https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking (Meeting topic: nova-scheduler)" | 14:02 | |
| bauzas | beat, beat, beaten even | 14:02 |
| n0ano | I see I go away for a week have you guys have a major discusson on this | 14:02 |
| bauzas | cdent: around ? | 14:02 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:02 |
| n0ano | anything to continue this week or are we good? | 14:02 |
| cdent | so yeah, there's the resource-provider/pool stuff | 14:03 |
| bauzas | n0ano: we're closing M-3 this week, so we are going to sprint merging some of cdent's teeth | 14:03 |
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| cdent | starts here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281837/ | 14:03 |
| cdent | there are some questions/issues that need to resolved | 14:03 |
| n0ano | cdent, are they minor enough they can be closed in 1 week? | 14:04 |
| bauzas | cdent: I missed the unresolved questions ? | 14:04 |
| cdent | yes,I think so | 14:04 |
| cdent | bauzas: one of them is my last comment on that review | 14:04 |
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| cdent | the other are the several question in the commit message on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284963/ | 14:04 |
| bauzas | oh missed that one | 14:04 |
| edleafe | me too (took the weekend off) | 14:05 |
| cdent | that comment (about the constraint) was discovered as a result of the work on the latter review | 14:05 |
| Yingxin | cdent: can I ask you some questions about the resource pool after the meeting? | 14:05 |
| cdent | Yingxin: of course, and I'll try to answer, but I'm not sure I will have all the answers. My ignorance is why I'm hoping for feedback from bauzas, johnthetubaguy, dansmith and jaypipes | 14:06 |
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| bauzas | cdent: so, I was on PTO last Friday | 14:06 |
| * johnthetubaguy hopes to hit those ones soon | 14:06 | |
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| bauzas | cdent: so I missed the problem, could you please rephrase it ? | 14:06 |
| bauzas | I can see it's an UC problem, right? | 14:07 |
| cdent | bauzas: Yeah. It's possible, as the database is currently constructed to create an inventory for the same resource-provider resource-class pair. | 14:07 |
| cdent | According to the comments on the resource-pools spec this is not desired | 14:08 |
| bauzas | cdent: for the moment, nothing is populating that table, right? | 14:08 |
| cdent | Or at least the comments can be interpreted that way | 14:08 |
| cdent | bauzas: only tests | 14:08 |
| cdent | (that I'm aware of, but some of the patches in that stack I dont know) | 14:08 |
| bauzas | cdent: so, let's be clear, we're missing this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283253/ at least ? | 14:09 |
| cdent | in talking with dansmith we decided that if we we did need to add another migration it would be better to do it in the existing one that hasn't merged yet, not add another | 14:10 |
| bauzas | cdent: I don't see a discussion around UCs in there | 14:10 |
| bauzas | cdent: and I agree with him | 14:10 |
| cdent | bauzas: that's because I only discovered it late friday | 14:10 |
| bauzas | cdent: okay, gotcah | 14:10 |
| bauzas | cdent: so, what's the rationale behind needing an UC ? sorry, missing context obviously | 14:11 |
| bauzas | is that point being persisted in a gerrit comment ? | 14:11 |
| bauzas | or is this an IRC convo ? | 14:11 |
| bauzas | I need to understand *why* we need an UC | 14:11 |
| bauzas | and if so, we could quickly iterate on that | 14:11 |
| cdent | look at the conversation between Roman and Jay at the end of this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253187/ | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | what is a UC in this context? | 14:11 |
| cdent | unique constraint | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, doh, gotcha | 14:12 |
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| bauzas | cdent: oooooh, all of the discussion was not in files, just general messages, missed that :/ | 14:12 |
| cdent | so setting aside the technical terms for a moment: the questinon is: "Can a resource provider have more than one inventory for the same resource class?" | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | gotcha | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | and that's a good point :-) | 14:13 |
| cdent | I'm pretty sure the answer has to be no, otherwise the structure for accounting for things falls apart | 14:14 |
| cdent | as it is hard to know which inventory an allocation would be associated with | 14:14 |
| n0ano | not sure why you would `need` multiple inventories anyway | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, that has to be a no, I feel | 14:14 |
| _gryf | jay has explained that matter on irc to me | 14:15 |
| cdent | n0ano: there was some discussion of a provider having two different batches of the same thing | 14:15 |
| edleafe | Seems that while it might be physically possible, it isn't something that we should encourage | 14:15 |
| cdent | edleafe++ | 14:15 |
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| bauzas | cdent: +1 for a no, that's one of the motivations we had for having resource-providers, just because we don't have a clear way of having consistent resources | 14:15 |
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| n0ano | cdent, I'd want a stronger justification than a discussion, more like a valid use case | 14:15 |
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| _gryf | so the answer is no in this case - if there is a need to have another resource of the same class, than another pool will be created | 14:16 |
| bauzas | _gryf: yeah | 14:16 |
| edleafe | n0ano: and not just a *possible* use case | 14:16 |
| cdent | I'm happy to barrell forward, but I'm a bit cautious as there's a _lot_ of work I've done for this stack which has been discovered to be off track well past the time I did it, so I'm a bit...shy and frustrated? | 14:16 |
| n0ano | edleafe, +1 | 14:16 |
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| bauzas | so we shouldn't care about "possible" usecases | 14:16 |
| bauzas | we should care about what's in the spec | 14:16 |
| cdent | k, I'll go ahead and put the constraint on the existing migration | 14:16 |
| n0ano | cdent, don't get too discouraged, that's just the nature of changing complex systems | 14:17 |
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| cdent | n0ano: I'm familiar. It's the feedback latency that has me frustrated not the complexity of the systems. | 14:17 |
| bauzas | cdent: ping me when you're done with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281837/ | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the dropping a unique constraint is a non-impacting DB change I am guessing? | 14:17 |
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| n0ano | cdent, indeed | 14:17 |
| cdent | johnthetubaguy: we're adding | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | so this is adding | 14:17 |
| edleafe | cdent that was one of the motivations for specs: so we could agree on the big picture before writing code | 14:18 |
| cdent | but to a table that doesn't have anything in it | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am thinking if we find we need to drop it | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats easy I think? | 14:18 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: yeah, it's just a matter of amending https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281837/ with adding an UC on an empty table | 14:18 |
| cdent | johnthetubaguy: yes | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, so lets just do it | 14:18 |
| edleafe | the freeze is making us write code before the specs have been settled | 14:18 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281837/ is already for adjusting the model | 14:18 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283253/ reflecting that on nova-specs | 14:19 |
| bauzas | (so for example, explaining the 'generation' field) | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the spec is probably too detailed for some of these | 14:19 |
| cdent | johnthetubaguy++ | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | the large brush strokes agreements we made in person, so I am OK with how we are going here | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | normally thats a spec merge, but lets just do whats needed at this point | 14:20 |
| cdent | So I'm good to go on the migration, but there's plenty of other stuff in that stack that needs feedback, pronto, if we want to get it merged. Most of it is model or object changes so stuff we want in M | 14:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | right, so which is the last change we need in this cycle, so we have all the migrations complete? | 14:21 |
| Yingxin | bauzas: 'generation' looks like a field to force atomic transactions and resolve races between schedulers' claims. | 14:21 |
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| cdent | johnthetubaguy: I'm not entirely certain. I don't really understand the rules that impact what limits things. | 14:22 |
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| cdent | I'm pretty sure it's something very close to "all of it" | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | its really about upgrade | 14:23 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: it's rather because of a compare-and-update model in a transactional model | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | we need those data migrations and schema migrations in place I think | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | the data ones being the uuid generation on compute node, I think | 14:23 |
| cdent | because that stuff leaves out all the actually doing stuff with resource providers in favor of getting just the groundwork in place | 14:23 |
| bauzas | cdent: johnthetubaguy: so, the thing is, we need computes to update things in DB to get that not require an online migration for Newton | 14:23 |
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| bauzas | cdent: johnthetubaguy: not only the model to be present AFAIK | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | the uuid is the only key bit, really | 14:24 |
| bauzas | not only the model to be /up-to-date/ rather | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | migration wise | 14:24 |
| cdent | bauzas, johnthetubaguy If you guys review that entire stack I think it will be more clear which is required | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | we can read from old ad new location | 14:24 |
| cdent | (even if it is just a light drive-by review) | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: yeah, thats probably quicker at this point | 14:24 |
| cdent | johnthetubaguy++ | 14:24 |
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| n0ano | so, have we beat this to death and just review the patch series is the next step? | 14:25 |
| cdent | I think so, and those with particular interest/investment can help determine which is the required stuff | 14:26 |
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| cdent | and also help me figure out the ResourcePool objct | 14:26 |
| bauzas | cdent: well, I was seeing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279313/ as a needed merge for preventing data online migrations in Newton, unless I'm wrong ? | 14:26 |
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| cdent | we also need all the objects, don't we, otherwise actually using them is delayed by an additional cycle? | 14:27 |
| bauzas | because if old computes don't store that information new-way-ish, then we need to do an online migration when calling that | 14:27 |
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| cdent | yes, we do need 279313 | 14:27 |
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| bauzas | cdent, tbc we need object remotable methods as well, yes | 14:28 |
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| n0ano | OK, moving on | 14:29 |
| n0ano | #topic Bugs - https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=scheduler | 14:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so bauzas cdent: lets catch up about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279313 I think thats the most important thing we need | 14:30 |
| n0ano | I believe we've actually reduced the bug count by about 4, we down to `only` 35 bugs | 14:30 |
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| n0ano | I don't know who closed a few but that's good news | 14:31 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: that's the last patch of the branch, yes | 14:31 |
| n0ano | are there any specific bugs anyone is concerned about? | 14:32 |
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| n0ano | if not, let's move on | 14:33 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 14:33 |
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| Yingxin | I was modeling my design based on Jay Pipes benchmarking tool. The work is nearly done. | 14:34 |
| n0ano | actually, I do have a slightly personal matter to tell everyone about... | 14:34 |
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| n0ano | after a `long` career I have decided to retire as of April this year... | 14:34 |
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| edleafe | n0ano: we'll miss you, but that's awesome news for you! | 14:35 |
| cdent | Do you want to be congratulated or consoled? :) | 14:35 |
| n0ano | I'll be doing other things, hopefully involved in open source, but it looks like I'll be dropping off of the Open Stack project | 14:35 |
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| n0ano | cdent, yes :-) | 14:35 |
| n0ano | it's been a pleasure to work with you all but you'll have to find someone else manage you guys :-) | 14:36 |
| Yingxin | n0ano: :) I've just started my open source career. | 14:36 |
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| n0ano | Yingxin, may it be long | 14:36 |
| edleafe | I volunteer jaypipes - he doesn't have very much going on :) | 14:36 |
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| n0ano | edleafe, +1 | 14:37 |
| bauzas | n0ano: oh, pleasure as well | 14:38 |
| n0ano | so, winding down, anything else for today? | 14:38 |
| mlavalle | n0ano: yes, I have something to bring up | 14:38 |
| n0ano | mlavalle, go ahead | 14:38 |
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| n0ano | mlavalle, you there? | 14:40 |
| edleafe | (probably typing an essay) | 14:40 |
| n0ano | edleafe, I try and use vi and then paste in that situation but to each their own :-) | 14:41 |
| mlavalle | n0ano: I would like the team to take a look at this spec we are working for Newton: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263898/ | 14:41 |
| mlavalle | n0ano: it complements an effort we will be conducting on the Neutron side to implement routed networks | 14:41 |
| mlavalle | n0ano: this has impact on the nove scheduler | 14:41 |
| mlavalle | nova scheduler^^^^ | 14:41 |
| mlavalle | it's not urgent, but I would like to start giving it visibility in this meeting | 14:41 |
| mlavalle | n0ano: so when the team has time, I encourage everybody to give us feedback on it | 14:41 |
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| n0ano | mlavalle, NP, just realize that, given the schedule pressures, it might be a little while before we can give you good feedback | 14:42 |
| bauzas | mlavalle: ack | 14:42 |
| n0ano | mlavalle, but tnx for pointing this out and we'll add it to our queues | 14:42 |
| edleafe | mlavalle: was just going to say the same as n0ano. I've starred it, but don't be shy about pinging us with reminders when Newton opens up | 14:43 |
| n0ano | OK, anything else? | 14:43 |
| Yingxin | By the way, the modeling work is at https://github.com/cyx1231st/placement-bench/tree/shared-state-demonstration | 14:44 |
| bauzas | mmm, its a backlog spec, we can litterally review it when we want | 14:44 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: sure, but time is the limit here | 14:44 |
| mlavalle | n0ano: I know, I just want to start early drawing attention to it | 14:45 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 14:45 |
| mlavalle | that's all I have. Thanks | 14:45 |
| n0ano | mlavalle, NP | 14:45 |
| bauzas | edleafe: sure, just wanted to explain it's just a matter of finding time, not a release process issue :) | 14:46 |
| n0ano | OK, anything else? | 14:47 |
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| cdent | nosir | 14:47 |
| n0ano | then let's close for today and I want to thank everyone, it's been a real trip | 14:48 |
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| n0ano | #endmeeting | 14:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 29 14:48:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-02-29-13.59.html | 14:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-02-29-13.59.txt | 14:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-02-29-13.59.log.html | 14:48 |
| edleafe | n0ano: still gonna be around for the next few weeks? | 14:48 |
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| n0ano | edleafe, sort of, I respond to request but I don't do much original work any more :-) | 14:48 |
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| _gryf | n0ano, are you going to participate austin summit? | 14:49 |
| edleafe | n0ano: well, I also meant for these meetings. Do you need someone to take them over for next week? | 14:49 |
| n0ano | _gryf, nope, no more summits for me | 14:49 |
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| n0ano | edleafe, actually, I'd be happy to hand that batton over to you if you don't mind | 14:49 |
| edleafe | n0ano: not at all. | 14:50 |
| _gryf | n0ano, that's pity | 14:50 |
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| n0ano | edleafe, then if's official, you now run the scheduler meetings (you poor soul :-) | 14:50 |
| n0ano | _gryf, yeah, I'll miss seeing everyone again but that's life | 14:50 |
| edleafe | muahhaha! moar power!!! | 14:51 |
| edleafe | :) | 14:51 |
| n0ano | edleafe, for some definition of power :-) | 14:51 |
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| _gryf | n0ano, right :) | 14:51 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 29 15:02:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:02 |
| korzen | hello \o | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | hi neutrinos ;) | 15:02 |
| rossella_s | hi!! | 15:02 |
| mhickey | Hello | 15:02 |
| sayalilunkad | hello | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #topic Code Sprint (Mar 14-16, Brno) | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Code Sprint (Mar 14-16, Brno) (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:02 | |
| ihrachys | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/code-sprint-neutron-objects-brno | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | I see some folks signed up there already | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | some are tentative | 15:03 |
| electrocucaracha | hey | 15:03 |
| sayalilunkad | is there public transport from the airport to the venue? | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: are you up to get to Brno? :) | 15:03 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: iS bRNO RELATIVELY SMALL. sO WOULD ANY HOTEL IN THE CITY DO? | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | sayalilunkad: the etherpad, starting at line 7 | 15:03 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: Travel approved. Need to book it now! :) | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | mhickey: it's quite small, but I suggest you get Continental, that is in line 18 of the etherpad | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | the price is more reasonable, and location is ok. | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | mhickey: great! | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | sayalilunkad: I see you on the list. have you booked it already? | 15:04 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: I will try but it would have to be approved internally. | 15:04 |
| sayalilunkad | ihrachys: yes | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | sayalilunkad: great :) see you here in two weeks. | 15:05 |
| sayalilunkad | yup :) | 15:05 |
| korzen | I have room booked in Continental, good price and we can commute together, taxi or bus | 15:05 |
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| rossella_s | I am also staying at the continental | 15:05 |
| sayalilunkad | that would be nice | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | note to everyone: we have some better price option for one of the hotels, details in the etherpad starting at line 21. I would like to ask everyone who wants to use the option to book it this week. next week I will need to close the offer. | 15:06 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, thanks for taking care of this! the price is very good indeed | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | overall, if you have some questions on the sprint that are not covered in the etherpad, please don't hesitate to ask me in private, I will try to accommodate | 15:07 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: sorry for caps mess ^^^^ | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | my pleasure | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | ok great, now to more juicy matters ;) | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Partial Multinode Grenade (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:07 | |
| ihrachys | the job is now in neutron check queue woohoo! :) | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | still not voting | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | we will need to wait a bit to make sure it's stable to enable votes | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | but seems good so far | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | #link http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | the link should show the rate of failures comparing to other jobs | 15:08 |
| korzen | I'm still not having the +2 for multinode DVR job, need to advertise a little bit more | 15:09 |
| korzen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250215 | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | korzen: yeah, infra stuff takes a while sometimes | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | I guess you pulled over folks that could help us, like Anita or Sean? | 15:09 |
| korzen | yes, I've ping them a short while ago | 15:10 |
| saisriki | hello all | 15:10 |
| korzen | I guess they have other more important issues | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's wait on it a bit more and then try to ping again | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | saisriki: hi | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | korzen: yeah, people are dragged by release stuff right now | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | ok, apart from that, I guess we just wait for that dvr flavour job in experimental queue to proceed on it | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:11 |
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| ihrachys | I'd like to remind to everyone we use 'ovo' tag | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:ovo | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | if you'd like your patches to get more attention from folks, please make sure the topic is correct | 15:12 |
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| ihrachys | also note that we are approaching Mitaka release, so we try to refrain from touching any code that is not objects specific | 15:12 |
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| ihrachys | so we split patches that introduce new objects into two pieces: one that implements the object and tests it with unit tests; and another one that integrates the object into the existing code | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | we will try to merge the former pieces but hold on a bit on the latter | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | ok, that's the general stuff | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: any specifics? | 15:13 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, not really, apart from korzen's patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275790/ that should get merged soonish because it's blocking for the others | 15:14 |
| korzen | rossella_s thanks for catching the UT failure! | 15:14 |
| rossella_s | korzen, :) | 15:14 |
| korzen | and thanks electrocucaracha for double checking! :) | 15:14 |
| electrocucaracha | :) | 15:15 |
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| korzen | I have rebased the patch today | 15:15 |
| korzen | over the RBAC object implementation too | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | right. we need to prioritize merging pieces that block others - testing, framework enhancements, custom sqla types, ... | 15:15 |
| electrocucaracha | korzen, I saw that you include more changes that were not included in patch 8 | 15:15 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, right | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | oh right, there was RBAC patch that landed recently: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250081/ | 15:16 |
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| ihrachys | thanks to hdaniel, it's very generic and will hopefully help us once we get to adopting objects for networks | 15:16 |
| korzen | electrocucaracha, yes, it was due to the rebase to recent master branch | 15:16 |
| electrocucaracha | korzen, gotcha | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | there is also a patch from ajo that handles rolling upgrades for qos objects | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268040/ | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | I presume it's near getting in, but we'll see | 15:17 |
| ajo | there I am :) | 15:18 |
| ajo | running unit tests before pushing new patch | 15:18 |
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| ajo | not only qos objects, any ovo that we will push/pull via that api | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | the approach for rpc callbacks is different than what we have in nova and maybe than what we will perceive as a general solution for agent-server interactions, but it's needed for now nevertheless | 15:18 |
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| ihrachys | some pieces of it will be needed any way | 15:19 |
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| ihrachys | specifically, automatic RPC version calculation | 15:19 |
| ajo | sure, that could be reused for knowing what object versions to use when calling to other pieces in the distributed system | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | right | 15:20 |
| ajo | if that's what you mean | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | ok let's move to the next topic | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | #topic Other patches on review | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Other patches on review (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:21 | |
| ihrachys | anything that is worth being mentioned here? | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | ok, I have one then :) | 15:21 |
| saisriki | I am working on MACAddress type. I have put in the changes in the same file as IPAddress | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | saisriki: great | 15:22 |
| korzen | I've added the hook to modify the fields before DB operations | 15:22 |
| saisriki | custom sqlalchemy type | 15:22 |
| korzen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281850 | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | saisriki: any ETA for the code to get into gerrit? | 15:22 |
| mhickey | saisriki: whats the url for sqlalchemy type? | 15:23 |
| saisriki | I was wondering if it's ok to merge it in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277558/8 | 15:23 |
| mhickey | saisriki: I have added PS to this. have you checked them? | 15:24 |
| saisriki | I am working locally. I have not uploaded it yet. My question is do I need to create new file or should I put the changes in | 15:24 |
| saisriki | sqlalchemytypes.py | 15:24 |
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| korzen | saisriki, I've created the dependent patch on CIDR: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285349 | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | saisriki: please base your change on the first patch | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | saisriki: but make it a separate patch | 15:25 |
| saisriki | ihrachys: ok. | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | saisriki: as for the file itself, you should reuse the existing one | 15:25 |
| saisriki | mhickey: what is PS? | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | saisriki: patch set | 15:25 |
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| mhickey | patch set | 15:25 |
| saisriki | ok | 15:25 |
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| mhickey | so if you refresh the patch you will see it is a ps 10 | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | saisriki: so do you have an estimation when we will be able to start reviewing it? | 15:26 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: do you want me to continue with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277558/? | 15:26 |
| saisriki | I will be done in two days, I will push the changes by today EOD | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | mhickey: yeah, you were the last one to touch it, right? ;) | 15:27 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: yes | 15:27 |
| saisriki | mhickey: got it, checked that it is ps 10, Thanks. | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | saisriki: ok, let's upload what you have and proceed from there | 15:27 |
| mhickey | saisriki: np | 15:27 |
| saisriki | ihrachys: ok | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | great. | 15:27 |
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| ihrachys | I wanted to note one bug in ovs agent and how it manages flows. | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1514056 | 15:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1514056 in neutron "Restarting OVS agent drops VMs traffic when using VLAN provider bridges" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Hynek Mlnarik (hmlnarik-s) | 15:28 |
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| ihrachys | they say that in some cases we still experience data plane disruption when restarting ovs agent | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | so may be interesting to some of team members :) | 15:28 |
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| ihrachys | there are already some patches on review | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284639/ | 15:28 |
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| rossella_s | ihrachys, thanks for the pointer | 15:29 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: ditto | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | ok I guess no more patches to be aware | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:30 | |
| ihrachys | if you had something to raise here, that's the best time | 15:30 |
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| mhickey | fyi: if you need me just ping me in irc. i had laptop problemsd and was away last week. just getting organised again. | 15:31 |
| korzen | does anyone know, if tempest smoke test is doing any integration with DVR? | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | not that I know. we probably may want to do some analysis of tests invoked as part of smoke suite. | 15:31 |
| korzen | integration, i mean if smoke tests test DVR | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | I suspect nothing dvr specific, just general routers. (which will scratch some testing surface for DVR nevertheless) | 15:32 |
| electrocucaracha | the only road-block for auto generate the ERD schema is to get an approval of the new dependency in global requests | 15:32 |
| electrocucaracha | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281880/ | 15:32 |
| korzen | I guess it would be good to test the dataplane disruption in Grenade test... | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I see. let me check the list of cores there. We may be constrained by some requirements freeze that may have already occurred for Mitaka. | 15:33 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: yes. though there are lots of configuration scenarios to test there. vlans may be different from tunnels, provider networks from tenant ones, etc. | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | it does not mean we should not take a common one and start tackling in from there :) | 15:34 |
| korzen | and before that, we can do the manual check | 15:35 |
| korzen | but I would wait on RC | 15:35 |
| korzen | I guess it would be possible to validate upgrade on Rc-1? | 15:35 |
| korzen | or Mitaka-3? | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | I suggest we do it after M3 | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | since RC in theory should be the final :) | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | not that it will, but it's better to have some more time | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | maybe a week after M3, when some exceptional pieces may nad | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | *may land | 15:36 |
| korzen | I wonder when is the cut off date, when we can be sure that no abusive changed got merged | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | latest release countdown: | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/087590.html | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | "Mitaka 3 milestone: Feb 29 - Mar 4" | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | so this week | 15:38 |
| rossella_s | yay | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | :) | 15:39 |
| korzen | rossella_s, I have a question about synthetic fields handling - are you going to work on it this week>? | 15:39 |
| korzen | this is also kind of important patch | 15:39 |
| rossella_s | korzen, that patch is blocked by yours actually | 15:39 |
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| ihrachys | rossella_s: can we rebase? | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: I think korzen's is going to merge once CI votes | 15:40 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, yep , I will rebase mine | 15:40 |
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| mhickey | rossella_s: needs +w | 15:41 |
| rossella_s | mhickey, it needs to be rebased anyway | 15:41 |
| mhickey | rossella_s: ok, np, thanks | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | btw folks note that zuul is not very happy these days | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | I see patches from 10 hours ago that are still in check queue | 15:41 |
| rossella_s | indeed | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | which is bothersome | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | but I bet infra is on it | 15:42 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: so avoid recheck? | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: if you are not sure it will help | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: ideally, you should read logs first | 15:42 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: is it ok to commit ps? | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | then decide whether recheck has a chance to help | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: commit? | 15:42 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, mhickey since the gate is busy I'd avoid rechecks for patches that are not going to be merged soon | 15:42 |
| mhickey | ihrachys: git review | 15:43 |
| rossella_s | mhickey, yep, we want your patches :) | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: that's a good point. let's focus on the bits we plan to merge now (tests, objects framework patches, new objects) and leave other stuff off until gate recovers. | 15:43 |
| mhickey | rossella_s: now that I have recovered from disk problems, it maybe possible! :) | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: yes, we want people not to sit on their patches ;) | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | mhickey: especially since discs may fail any time! and you loose your work ;) | 15:44 |
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| mhickey | ihrachys: lol. losing some of my Irish luck of late! :) | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | ok I bet we now know how to behave as good citizens in the community and save resources for the project ;) | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | I assume that's all we have for today | 15:46 |
| rossella_s | :) | 15:46 |
| mhickey | :) | 15:46 |
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| ihrachys | if not, let's proceed on the #openstack-neutron channel | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | thanks bye :) | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 29 15:46:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-02-29-15.02.html | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-02-29-15.02.txt | 15:46 |
| rossella_s | thanks ihrachys | 15:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-02-29-15.02.log.html | 15:46 |
| korzen | thx bye | 15:46 |
| mhickey | Thanks, bye all | 15:46 |
| sayalilunkad | bye | 15:46 |
| electrocucaracha | thx | 15:46 |
| saisriki | bye | 15:46 |
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| dims | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 29 16:00:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dims. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| dims | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, harlowja, haypo, | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| dims | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps | 16:00 |
| dims | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek, gcb | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| dims | courtesy ping for dukhlov, lxsli, rbradfor, mikal, nakato, tcammann1, browne, | 16:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| gcb | o/ | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:00 |
| ozamiatin_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| haypo | hello | 16:00 |
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| jecarey | o/ | 16:01 |
| toabctl | hi | 16:01 |
| rbradfor_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| dims | hi gcb johnsom rpodolyaka ozamiatin_ haypo jecarey toabctl rbradfor_ | 16:01 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:01 |
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| sc68cal | o/ | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
| jimbobhickville | ahoy | 16:01 |
| stevemar | o/ | 16:01 |
| dims | hi everyone, let's get started | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 16:02 |
| dims | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:02 | |
| bknudson | none for keystone. We have our own problems with leap days | 16:02 |
| johnsom | Nothing to report this week | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Nothing from Cinder. | 16:02 |
| dims | we wrapped up all the Mitaka releases for oslo libraries, so no more changes unless we find bugs or do requirements updates | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | neutron here. we were wondering whether oslo.config set_override behaviour shown here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285278/ is as designed. | 16:02 |
| dims | bknudson johnsom jungleboyj thanks | 16:02 |
| bknudson | don't approve new features? | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | neutron was hit by it in one of patches on review, so we wanted to check with oslo.config folks | 16:03 |
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| dims | bknudson : yep, please don't approve new features until we have stable branches | 16:03 |
| bknudson | dims: are you going to go through and -2? | 16:03 |
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| dims | bknudson : i could use help if you are volunteering? :) | 16:03 |
| bknudson | dims: I can help | 16:04 |
| amrith | ./ | 16:04 |
| amrith | trove got hit by some change to oslocontext | 16:04 |
| rpodolyaka | ihrachys: my understanding is that it's expected. deprecating mechanism allows you to have old names in a config file, not in the code | 16:04 |
| amrith | am still gathering details | 16:04 |
| dims | awesome, anyone else wants to help? please let bknudson and i know | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | rpodolyaka: I see. makes sense I guess. | 16:05 |
| dims | ihrachys : right CONF.old_name will not work | 16:05 |
| rpodolyaka | ihrachys: not sure if it's documented, though | 16:05 |
| rpodolyaka | *the behaviour | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | dims: it may be a tiny bit problematic if external code accesses the options | 16:05 |
| * ihrachys believes that any code that directly relies on config options is broken by design but not everyone in neutron is on the same page | 16:06 | |
| dims | ihrachys : right, this behavior is not recent, it's always been this way | 16:06 |
| rbradfor_ | amrith, are you referring to the roles[] added to context for policy changes. | 16:06 |
| dims | ihrachys : let me poke through that after the meeting | 16:06 |
| sc68cal | ihrachys: ++ | 16:06 |
| amrith | rbradfor_, I believe so, yes. | 16:06 |
| rbradfor_ | amrith, I though projects got patches for that fix. | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | dims: great, thanks | 16:07 |
| amrith | as we use this for communication with the guest, this change breaks backward compatibility with old guest images. | 16:07 |
| amrith | yes, there's a patch. but nothing in the CI tests for backward compatibility | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | one more thing from neutron side is: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282090/ but I believe we won't get it in this cycle. basically, without it a new fixture for oslo.versionedobjects is not useable | 16:07 |
| amrith | it assumes that clients and servers are all upgrading in lock step | 16:07 |
| dims | amrith : http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/trove/tree/trove/common/context.py does not have roles explicitly so what broke? (some projects like heat had roles in their constructor) | 16:08 |
| rbradfor_ | amrith, I see your point about need for backward compatibility. not sure if your problem is then roles related. | 16:09 |
| dims | amrith : so let's do this on oslo channel when you have some details | 16:09 |
| dims | agree with rbradfor_ | 16:09 |
| dims | #topic Bugs needed to be fixed for Mitaka | 16:09 |
| dims | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285294/ (Revert "Use tempfile.tempdir for lock_path if OSLO_LOCK_PATH is not set") | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs needed to be fixed for Mitaka (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:09 | |
| dims | we need consensus on that one | 16:09 |
| dims | sc68cal, can you please explain a bit? | 16:10 |
| ozamiatin_ | dims: i have one more fix here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286093 | 16:10 |
| dims | we used to fail fast when OSLO_LOCK_PATH was not set and an earlier review from sc68cal added code to default to temp dir | 16:10 |
| sc68cal | Yeah - any consumer of oslo.concurrency has to understand lock_path | 16:11 |
| sc68cal | otherwise it blows up | 16:11 |
| dims | ozamiatin_ : ack | 16:11 |
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| jimbobhickville | gettempdir() does not return /tmp | 16:11 |
| jimbobhickville | print tempfile.gettempdir() | 16:12 |
| jimbobhickville | /var/folders/5t/rnpx9j6d137fxcxh81xkybp4qb2pvn/T | 16:12 |
| dims | dhellmann : do you remember the previous discussions? | 16:12 |
| sc68cal | jimbobhickville: depends on your OS | 16:12 |
| jimbobhickville | ah | 16:12 |
| rpodolyaka | but it's different on every run of a process | 16:12 |
| rpodolyaka | and probably for python processes forks too | 16:12 |
| bknudson | jimbobhickville: what system are you running on? | 16:12 |
| jimbobhickville | yeah, that was on my mac, derp | 16:12 |
| jimbobhickville | carry on | 16:13 |
| sc68cal | My point being - if the default is an environment variable that probably nobody uses - and the program crashes or errors out if you don't set it - that's not a default | 16:13 |
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| dims | sc68cal : so essentially what that means is that there is no intra process locking as everyone is looking at a different directory | 16:13 |
| dims | sorry inter | 16:13 |
| lxsli_web | o/ | 16:13 |
| dims | sc68cal : so if the code expects some interprocess locks to work it will fail | 16:14 |
| dims | hi lxsli_web | 16:14 |
| sc68cal | It's not that it fails | 16:14 |
| sc68cal | there's a bit of code deeper in oslo.concurrency that actually makes lock_path a required option | 16:14 |
| sc68cal | take a look at the paste that I link in the commit message | 16:14 |
| bknudson | the help text for the option says it's required to set it depending on how the library is used | 16:15 |
| rpodolyaka | it must only be needed for interprocess locks | 16:15 |
| dims | sc68cal : ack. let me ping dhellmann and bnemec as well | 16:15 |
| jimbobhickville | couldn't we just make a default folder and set the permissions as we want them to be if it doesn't exist? | 16:15 |
| jimbobhickville | /tmp/oslo.locks or something? | 16:16 |
| sc68cal | So then why does it depend on an environment variable as a default? My point is - this library is not as helpful as it could be | 16:16 |
| sc68cal | Frankly I didn't care about IPC and locks - oslo.concurreny forced me to | 16:16 |
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| sc68cal | I had assumed that was taken care of for me | 16:16 |
| sc68cal | since it's well... a library | 16:16 |
| sc68cal | instead - we're cargo culting these config options around in devstack | 16:17 |
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| dims | sc68cal : see my email from Dec 3, 2013 :) http://markmail.org/message/57fsfojqqshjbcc5 | 16:17 |
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| jimbobhickville | I'm of the opinion that you make it configurable, but do the right thing by default. if they don't specify a folder, create one and set up security correctly | 16:17 |
| sc68cal | jimbobhickville: exactly | 16:17 |
| dims | "Still, obviously not cool when your locks don't lock, which is why we made the unpleasant change to require lock_path" | 16:18 |
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| sc68cal | dims: mkdtemp works for me | 16:18 |
| dims | http://markmail.org/message/ytw33eirpkgccedg | 16:18 |
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| dims | sc68cal : each process creates its own directory and if there's code that you expect to lock it won't lock | 16:19 |
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| rpodolyaka | jimbobhickville: what permissions would we set on /tmp/oslo.locks ? e.g. nova and cinder would probably be running on behalf of different users. make it writable for all? | 16:19 |
| sc68cal | rpodolyaka: sticky bit | 16:19 |
| dims | sc68cal : jimbobhickville : let's get bnemec to chime in please | 16:20 |
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| bnemec | You can't automatically create a temporary directory at start. You're dealing with multiple processes, and they all have to point at the same directory. | 16:20 |
| dims | ah there you are :) | 16:20 |
| bnemec | And you can't use a known path because that becomes a security risk. | 16:20 |
| bnemec | Because we're creating files there. | 16:20 |
| rpodolyaka | sc68cal: ah, missed that. yeah, that should help | 16:20 |
| sc68cal | So basically we know these issues exist, and we're throwing it on devstack and deployers to figure it out - despite oslo being a library? | 16:21 |
| bnemec | I know there was a patch up that attempted to make it somewhat safer to use a known path by not overwriting any existing files in the lock path. | 16:21 |
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| bnemec | sc68cal: If you can come up with a solution that isn't a security risk and doesn't result in no locking, I'm all ears. :-) | 16:21 |
| jimbobhickville | zookeeper? :P | 16:22 |
| bnemec | It's not as if we haven't tried to solve this before. | 16:22 |
| dims | sc68cal : just laying out what the problems are | 16:22 |
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| dims | right bnemec | 16:22 |
| dims | jimbobhickville : you can switch to zookeeper with tooz. yes | 16:22 |
| sc68cal | right - I understand that there is a security risks - but does that mean we're happy with what we have now? | 16:22 |
| bnemec | An external locking services probably is the answer. Basically you need something outside the services themselves that knows how to coordinate between them. | 16:23 |
| dims | sc68cal : so everyone who runs into it gets aware that their locks may not work properly unless they deal with it | 16:23 |
| bnemec | Right now it's the deployer giving them all a single path. | 16:23 |
| bnemec | Potentially it could be a locking service like zookeeper that all the services talk to instead. | 16:23 |
| dims | right, we can do this in N | 16:24 |
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| sc68cal | dims: and don't you think a deployer would maybe get upset that openstack can't even do something this low level without him/her getting involved | 16:24 |
| dims | oslo.concurrency -> tooz -> zookeeper | 16:24 |
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| * bnemec would be perfectly happy if he never had to discuss file locking again :-) | 16:24 | |
| dims | sc68cal : it's upto puppet, fuel etc to set things up for deployers.. no? | 16:25 |
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| dims | sc68cal : we have a problem and we don't know the right solution | 16:25 |
| sc68cal | fuel and puppet are band-aids for this | 16:25 |
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| sc68cal | just like devstack is a band-aid | 16:25 |
| sc68cal | Honestly we as a project need to make more of an effort to be sane by default | 16:25 |
| bnemec | Wait, what? https://github.com/openstack/oslo.concurrency/blob/master/oslo_concurrency/lockutils.py#L44 | 16:26 |
| bnemec | When did that gettempdir go back in? | 16:26 |
| dims | sc68cal : if you are ok with deployers taking the default and all their locks don't work that would be worse i'd think | 16:26 |
| dims | bnemec : last week or so | 16:26 |
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| bnemec | Ah, hence this discussion. I get it now. :-) | 16:26 |
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| sc68cal | dims: that's the only solution? no default will ever work? | 16:26 |
| sc68cal | why can't we have a default that A) Works B) is reasonable | 16:27 |
| dims | sc68cal : one suggestion above was to move away from file locks | 16:27 |
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| dims | sc68cal : so what's the solution? | 16:27 |
| dims | that does both A and B? :) | 16:27 |
| sc68cal | dims: I don't know. I took a stab at it but looks like it wasn't good enough. | 16:28 |
| bnemec | It turns out concurrency is hard. Who knew? :-) | 16:28 |
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| dims | sc68cal : right. only thing we can think of right now is switch to external services which is a bit late for M | 16:28 |
| dims | we've been struggling with this for a while sc68cal | 16:29 |
| bnemec | Honestly, it's goign to take significant effort to get off file locks even if you start at the beginning of a cycle. | 16:29 |
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| sc68cal | right - i've seen the big threads on the ml. | 16:29 |
| bnemec | There are services that implicitly rely on the file lock implementation details, unfortunately. | 16:29 |
| dims | bnemec : the hard code debugging logging around file locks still gives me night mates | 16:29 |
| dims | mares | 16:29 |
| bknudson | would it be safe to use a directory in /tmp if that directory was owned by the user? you have to be root to change the owner anyways? | 16:30 |
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| bnemec | bknudson: All of the processes have to know to use that directory. | 16:30 |
| dims | and must be running as users that have read/write on that directory too | 16:30 |
| * bnemec suspects we aren't going to solve this before the end of the meeting | 16:31 | |
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| jimbobhickville | we have a lot of options, and all of them suck | 16:31 |
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| jimbobhickville | :D | 16:31 |
| bnemec | Pretty much. :-) | 16:31 |
| dims | bnemec : sc68cal : jimbobhickville : bknudson : so i'm going to +2A the revert for now for M | 16:31 |
| bnemec | We picked the one that at least fails loudly if you do it wrong. | 16:31 |
| dims | ok changing topics :) | 16:32 |
| dims | #topic Austin Design Summit space needs | 16:32 |
| dims | Fishbowl / Workroom / Meetup : 3 / 5 / 0 | 16:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Austin Design Summit space needs (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:32 | |
| dims | was the number of meetings we had last time enough? | 16:32 |
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| dims | any opinions? | 16:33 |
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| dims | do we skip the full day meetup? | 16:33 |
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| dims | newer cores... lxsli_web, rbradfor_ any thoughts? | 16:34 |
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| bknudson | If there's a meetup day I'll probably be meeting with keystone. | 16:34 |
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| dims | bknudson : ack | 16:34 |
| rbradfor_ | dims, I'm looking forward to being about to contribute. "what doe you mean by full day meetup?" | 16:34 |
| rbradfor_ | s/about/able/ | 16:35 |
| dims | on the last day we can ask for a room where all oslo cores can hangout the whole day | 16:35 |
| dims | Fishbowl is the biggest room, so it's more towards showcasing what we did/ what we want people in other projects to do next | 16:36 |
| rbradfor_ | in addition to the 8 sessions? | 16:36 |
| bknudson | I haven't seen any proposed topics for oslo so don't have any opinion about the sessions | 16:36 |
| dims | workroom is a standard room with everyone around big tables | 16:36 |
| bknudson | I wasn't able to make all the sessions last summit | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | dims: Is the etherpad for proposing sessions open now? | 16:36 |
| dims | both workroom and fishbowl are around an hour each | 16:36 |
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| dims | jungleboyj : bknudson : we haven't started yet, will get that going today | 16:37 |
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| jungleboyj | dims: Cool. Thanks. | 16:37 |
| dims | ok, so let's try to plan for what we had last time and get the etherpad populated and revisit if needed | 16:37 |
| dims | #topic Using our CI instead of travis | 16:38 |
| dims | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dims-periodic-jobs | 16:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Using our CI instead of travis (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:38 | |
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| dims | So all the jobs are set up, links to jobs and logs are there. | 16:38 |
| dims | the idea is that before we go request a release, we look at what failed and fix it before asking for a release | 16:38 |
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| dims | there's oslo.* master running against py27 and py34 of various projects | 16:39 |
| bknudson | where do we look? | 16:39 |
| dims | bknudson : see etherpad | 16:39 |
| dims | if any liaisons want these jobs against their projects, please ping me or just add project-config review | 16:39 |
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| dims | there's one job that runs dsvm+tempest against oslo.* master as well | 16:40 |
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| dims | that one uses neutron as well | 16:40 |
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| dims | the health check url is a bit wonky as something that collects stats has had problems the last week | 16:41 |
| dims | http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/ | 16:41 |
| bknudson | so here's for keystone http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/periodic-keystone-py27-with-oslo-master/ | 16:42 |
| dims | periodic-.*-py27-with-oslo-master/ | 16:42 |
| dims | periodic-tempest-dsvm-oslo-latest-full-master/ | 16:42 |
| dims | yep | 16:42 |
| bknudson | it would fail if it ran today | 16:42 |
| bknudson | not because of oslo | 16:42 |
| dims | bknudson : yep | 16:42 |
| dims | the leap year problem | 16:43 |
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| jungleboyj | dims: I will check with Cinder and see if that is something we want to add. | 16:43 |
| dims | So no more travis and all of us have to go look at stuff | 16:43 |
| dims | jungleboyj : +1 | 16:44 |
| dims | jungleboyj : very easy to add it | 16:44 |
| dims | jungleboyj : then you can blame person requesting a release that they did not do due diligence :) | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | Cool. I will check into it. | 16:44 |
| dims | thanks jungleboyj | 16:45 |
| dims | #topic Open discussion | 16:45 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:45 | |
| dims | please check g-r release version ranges and make sure they reflect what you need in various projects | 16:45 |
| dims | this week is the requirements freeze | 16:46 |
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| dims | gcb johnsom rpodolyaka ozamiatin_ haypo jecarey toabctl rbradfor_ : anything else? | 16:46 |
| rbradfor_ | dims, what's the policy for new reviews (work not for M) do we mark as WIP, or do we wait to submit? | 16:47 |
| johnsom | Nope | 16:47 |
| jecarey | No | 16:47 |
| rpodolyaka | no | 16:47 |
| gcb | no | 16:47 |
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| dims | kgiusti : jungleboyj : jimbobhickville : sc68cal : ihrachys : anything else? | 16:47 |
| dims | rbradfor_ : WIP should be fine | 16:47 |
| kgiusti | nope - all good. | 16:47 |
| rbradfor_ | dims, good to know, thanks | 16:47 |
| sc68cal | not from me | 16:47 |
| dims | bknudson and i will go around -2'ing too | 16:48 |
| bknudson | dims: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-mitaka-freeze | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | dims: Nothing from me. | 16:48 |
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| bknudson | also, I need to reboot for security patches | 16:48 |
| dims | ok thanks everyone | 16:48 |
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| dims | talk to you next week. | 16:48 |
| dims | #endmeeting | 16:48 |
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| jungleboyj | dims: Later! | 16:49 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 29 16:48:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-02-29-16.00.html | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-02-29-16.00.txt | 16:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-02-29-16.00.log.html | 16:49 |
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| mfedosin | Courtesy meeting reminder ( #openstack-meeting-alt ): nikhil_k, ativelkov, mfedosin, docaedo, dshakhray, kfox111, kairat, nikhil, sudipto | 17:31 |
| kairat_ | O/ | 17:31 |
| nikhil | o/ | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | #startmeeting glare | 17:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 29 17:31:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfedosin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glare)" | 17:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glare' | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | #topic agenda | 17:31 |
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| sudipto | o/ | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-artifacts-sub-team-meeting-agenda | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | #topic Updates | 17:32 |
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| mfedosin | hello again | 17:32 |
| nikhil | fyi, please see this small update to our meetings | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | glad to see you here | 17:32 |
| nikhil | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284487 | 17:32 |
| nikhil | thanks | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | thanks nikhil | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | from now our project is officially called Glare | 17:33 |
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| nikhil | \o \o/ o/ | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | so, let's begin with our api spec... | 17:34 |
| nikhil | I guess anotehr small update is that | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | I updated it, based on api-wg requirements | 17:34 |
| nikhil | we did meet the API WG last week in their weekly meeting | 17:34 |
| nikhil | and pointed out the spec to them | 17:34 |
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| nikhil | they liked the detailed structure of the spec, so thanks mfedosin kairat_ and team!! | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | yes. and they liked it | 17:35 |
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| nikhil | I guess the next topic is a follow up of the same mfedosin ? | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | it was kairat_ idea to make it so detailed :) | 17:35 |
| nikhil | kairat_: excellent work, man!! | 17:35 |
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| mfedosin | yep, let's start it | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | #topic API-WG requirements | 17:36 |
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| mfedosin | they had 3 main concerns, as far as I see | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | 1. Deleting blobs should be performed with DELETE, not PATCH | 17:37 |
| mfedosin | I updated it in the spec and added that if user tries to do 'op':'remove' on blob, then 400 will be raised | 17:37 |
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| nikhil | I think it's a good idea | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | 2. It was about metadata | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | they asked us to follow this... | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/metadata.html | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | but since we don't support this property in glance, then we don't need to do so in Glare | 17:40 |
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| mfedosin | other artifact types may have it, but I don't want to make a unified api call | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | 3. Was about tags | 17:41 |
| mfedosin | they recommended to use POST for tags creation | 17:42 |
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| mfedosin | but I suppose they were wrong, because api-wg guidelines require to use PUT | 17:42 |
| mfedosin | #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/tags.html | 17:43 |
| kairat_ | What was the motivation behind this? | 17:43 |
| mfedosin | also several typos were fixed | 17:43 |
| mfedosin | kairat_: for tags? | 17:43 |
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| kairat_ | Yep | 17:44 |
| mfedosin | like we create object with POST | 17:44 |
| kairat_ | They just said: use post? | 17:44 |
| kairat_ | Ah | 17:44 |
| mfedosin | wait a sec... | 17:44 |
| kairat_ | Ok | 17:44 |
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| mfedosin | "i am not sure what the data you are passing on this call looks like, or if there is any, but for creating resources i usually expect a POST to something." | 17:45 |
| kairat_ | Ok, got it | 17:45 |
| mfedosin | that's all we have from them | 17:45 |
| mfedosin | sudipto: wow!!! thanks | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | jfyi sudipto left a lot of comments there | 17:46 |
| sudipto | mfedosin, sorry, running late on this, I am yet to complete the entire spec :( | 17:46 |
| sudipto | but i will by tomorrow morning my time. | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283136 | 17:46 |
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| mfedosin | sudipto: np | 17:47 |
| mfedosin | I'll address your comments today | 17:48 |
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| mfedosin | docaedo: hi | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | you don't miss too much | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | docaedo: last Thursday we presented the spec to API-WG and they liked it | 17:49 |
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| mfedosin | since we addressed all their comments we can ask for review again | 17:49 |
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| docaedo | cool, that's good news | 17:50 |
| mfedosin | so, from tomorrow we'll start implementing base artifact type | 17:50 |
| mfedosin | kairat was investigating how oslo.vo works all last week | 17:51 |
| kairat_ | I would say start design | 17:51 |
| mfedosin | #topic Glare Artifact type interface | 17:51 |
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| mfedosin | kairat_: as you wish | 17:51 |
| mfedosin | kairat_: do you have any thoughts how it'll look like? | 17:52 |
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| kairat_ | Yep, i have some | 17:53 |
| kairat_ | Will describe it later | 17:53 |
| nikhil | is kairat_ leading the design discussion? | 17:53 |
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| mfedosin | I think we have to implement all base artifact prop types | 17:54 |
| kairat_ | Yep | 17:54 |
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| mfedosin | nikhil: he know oslo.vo better then us :) | 17:54 |
| mfedosin | *knows | 17:54 |
| kairat_ | The base artifact will be inherited from versioned object | 17:54 |
| nikhil | kairat_: not sure if you know this tool.. | 17:54 |
| nikhil | #link http://asciiflow.com/ | 17:55 |
| nikhil | it would be nice to get some idea of what's going where | 17:55 |
| kairat_ | We also implement some custom field like blob | 17:55 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I've missed most of the meeting =( | 17:55 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | is there still some time for me to voice a couple of concerns? =) | 17:56 |
| nikhil | kairat_: sure, but tbh I'm a bit disconnected in how the work is going to happen | 17:56 |
| kairat_ | nikhil: thanks for link | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | nikhil: I can play it all day :) | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | kzaitsev_mb: hi | 17:56 |
| kairat_ | We will prepare some doc | 17:57 |
| mfedosin | you better leave comments in the spec | 17:57 |
| nikhil | would be nice to know the plan and help with stuff including reviews :) (this could make things faster, imho) | 17:57 |
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| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: don't worry, since you weren't here we volunteered you for all the work ;) | 17:57 |
| kairat_ | At least i would like to do that | 17:57 |
| nikhil | kzaitsev_mb: we're still discussing :) | 17:57 |
| nikhil | kairat_: cool | 17:57 |
| mfedosin | #topic Open Discussion | 17:57 |
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| mfedosin | plan is next: | 17:58 |
| nikhil | kzaitsev_mb: I meant, so voice away as things are still being discussed :) | 17:58 |
| mfedosin | create a doc (in Google or etherpad) | 17:58 |
| kzaitsev_mb | cool, so I actually have questions about artifacts locations. | 17:58 |
| mfedosin | and add our thought about base type | 17:58 |
| kzaitsev_mb | or the plugin locations | 17:58 |
| kzaitsev_mb | or whatever they'll be called =) | 17:58 |
| nikhil | I think we should all agree on what to call these objects | 17:58 |
| nikhil | kzaitsev_mb: heh, yeah. exactly | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | we will vote next time | 17:59 |
| kairat_ | 1 min guys | 17:59 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | murano is currently in a situation, where we store our plugin inside murano itself. this creates a bit of confusion, especially for packagers | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | we can continue in glance channel if you want | 17:59 |
| nikhil | ++ | 18:00 |
| kzaitsev_mb | yep, I'd be happy to discuss the issue in #glance | 18:00 |
| docaedo | +1 | 18:00 |
| kzaitsev_mb | at least to voice it ) | 18:00 |
| mfedosin | kzaitsev_mb: we will add support of adding artifact types by python name | 18:00 |
| nikhil | ftr, it will be #openstack-glance (whoever is following logs) | 18:00 |
| mfedosin | okay, let's go there | 18:00 |
| mfedosin | thanks for coming today | 18:00 |
| mfedosin | and sudipto - thanks for you comments :) | 18:01 |
| nikhil | thanks! | 18:01 |
| mfedosin | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 29 18:01:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-02-29-17.31.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-02-29-17.31.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-02-29-17.31.log.html | 18:01 |
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| catherineD|2 | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 29 19:00:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD|2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
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| pvaneck | o/ | 19:02 |
| rockyg | o/ | 19:02 |
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| catherineD|2 | #link meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-02-29 | 19:02 |
| catherineD|2 | hi pvaneck: rockyg: | 19:03 |
| andrey-mp | o/ | 19:03 |
| andrey-mp | hello | 19:03 |
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| catherineD|2 | hello andrey-mp: | 19:03 |
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| catherineD|2 | meeting agenda and notes, please feel free to add items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-02-29 | 19:04 |
| catherineD|2 | let's start | 19:04 |
| catherineD|2 | #topic Next week meeting | 19:05 |
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| catherineD|2 | pvaneck: will chair next week IRC meeting ... I will not b able to attend the meeting | 19:06 |
| pvaneck | sure | 19:06 |
| catherineD|2 | thx | 19:06 |
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| catherineD|2 | #topic Vendor user management | 19:06 |
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| catherineD|2 | andrey-mp: thank you for submited https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285714/ | 19:07 |
| catherineD|2 | for user management | 19:08 |
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| andrey-mp | ok. I will do most things in my huge review and extract parts to commit after specification approve | 19:09 |
| catherineD|2 | andrey-mp: thx ... I think that is better for debug and review | 19:10 |
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| catherineD|2 | everyone please review the vendo API spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274837/ | 19:10 |
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| catherineD|2 | then andrey-mp: can proceed to implement the spec ... I think andrey-mp: has most of the code already | 19:11 |
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| catherineD|2 | Let's target to merge the vednor API spec by tomorrow | 19:12 |
| catherineD|2 | moving on ... | 19:12 |
| catherineD|2 | #topic refstack-client should help user to avoid test duplication | 19:12 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Sorry, may I bring you back to vendor API? | 19:13 |
| alexandrelevine | sorry again. | 19:13 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: sure | 19:13 |
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| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: np | 19:13 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: I wanted to say that approve-decline would be better, because those are important functions and we don't need to change arbitrary types. | 19:14 |
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| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: yea I was debating about that per REST best practices ... the action should be on a resources | 19:15 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: change_type - is a sort of technical backdoor which doesn't show what can be change to what and who can do what. I think approve/decline would cover both important actions which will have many different things implemented inside and actions to follow. It is bad to put all of them into change_type. | 19:15 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: I believe we can find similar stuff in existing OpenStack APIs. And it's pretty much the same like attach/detach. Moreover, those calls most probably would need different parameters later on. | 19:16 |
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| catherineD|2 | so in OpenStack most of the time if they want to present actions the REST would be .../actions to maintain using resource on the REST | 19:16 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: We won't be able to squeeze all of them into change_type later. | 19:16 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: andrey-mp: I do not see attach/detach any more | 19:17 |
| catherineD|2 | are they older APIs? | 19:17 |
| catherineD|2 | I feel like they are nove-volume API which may not be using now | 19:18 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Well, you're right, they use <action> now which is also fine if we want. But not change_type | 19:18 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: yea ... because they got feedback on REST best practices | 19:18 |
| alexandrelevine | Let's do the same. Use action | 19:19 |
| catherineD|2 | sure we can use action | 19:19 |
| catherineD|2 | I will update that | 19:19 |
| alexandrelevine | Thanks. | 19:19 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: thx | 19:19 |
| catherineD|2 | moving on ? | 19:19 |
| alexandrelevine | yes | 19:19 |
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| catherineD|2 | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/refstack/+bug/1498159 refstack-client should help user to avoid test duplication | 19:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1498159 in refstack "refstack-client should help user to avoid test duplication" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to David Liu (lzbj) | 19:20 |
| catherineD|2 | I feel like there is no good solution for the bug at the moment | 19:21 |
| catherineD|2 | the reason is the subunit file is a text file ... and it is very easy to change | 19:21 |
| catherineD|2 | I would just change one character then the file data will chamge | 19:21 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: It doesn't matter. Anything can be changed by the uploader if it's not done by refstack-client and done later | 19:21 |
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| catherineD|2 | so is the hash of all dates | 19:21 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: You won't be able to compete with the root of the machine. | 19:22 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: If he wants he'll change all the dates. | 19:22 |
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| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: yea he does not need to change all the dates just one data is good enough to change the hash | 19:22 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Besides, we need to know time of the test run. We can keep both dates - test-run and test-upload. | 19:22 |
| catherineD|2 | so I feel like we do not know how to fix this | 19:23 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: So subunit result is ok. We're not fighting malicious users here. | 19:23 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Just trying to prevent garbage in our DB. | 19:23 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Good solution would be to prohibit late uploading of results. Only refstack-client tests. | 19:24 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: ++ | 19:24 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Whoever wants to test and participate in RefStack - uses refstack-client or centralized testing through RefStack panel. | 19:24 |
| catherineD|2 | I think that is the only option | 19:24 |
| alexandrelevine | I'm fine with that | 19:24 |
| pvaneck | I like that as well | 19:25 |
| alexandrelevine | And I'm sure it's understandable and valid. | 19:25 |
| catherineD|2 | How about we check with foundation and defcore on that recomendation ? | 19:25 |
| catherineD|2 | me too I think that is the only way | 19:25 |
| alexandrelevine | I'm fine with that too :) | 19:25 |
| rockyg | Sounds reasonable to me, but how do you deal with clouds not connected to the internet? | 19:25 |
| alexandrelevine | Still - refstack-client is used to test and crypt the result. | 19:25 |
| rockyg | cool. | 19:26 |
| alexandrelevine | "sign" the result. | 19:26 |
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| catherineD|2 | rockyg: you have a point about internet connection | 19:26 |
| rockyg | Yeah. We talked about this when we first started working on refstack. | 19:26 |
| rockyg | But it was the whole reason for the client, so client didn't need access to net. | 19:27 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: sign the results seems like something to look into | 19:27 |
| catherineD|2 | rockyg: correct .. thx for reminding us on this requirement | 19:27 |
| alexandrelevine | So refstack-client generates unique ID for test run and supplies the time/date of the run. | 19:28 |
| alexandrelevine | then it signs everything and we can use it later and find duplicates. | 19:28 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine:again this is about malicious intention ... because refstack-client is on the client side ... they can really generate the signature by editting the refstack-client code .. | 19:29 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: You cannot physically fight a malicious superuser with debugger. | 19:30 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: yea | 19:30 |
| catherineD|2 | that is why this is not an easy topic | 19:30 |
| catherineD|2 | rockyg: I think this is a topic for DefCore midcycle too | 19:31 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: It is physically impossible. I'll be able to hack anything on my own hardware. So we should use some reasonable algorythms, not trying to achieve the impossible. | 19:31 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Quite the reverse. That's why it's easy :) | 19:31 |
| rockyg | Works for me. | 19:31 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: agree .. so I think there are 2 action items for this topic | 19:32 |
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| catherineD|2 | #action RefStack team looks into the possibility of implementing signed the results | 19:33 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: There is one sure solution - we can demand opening enough tunnels for us to run tests from our premises and control the results and forbid the remote self-done testing altogether. | 19:33 |
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| catherineD|2 | #action Regeust guidance from DefCore/Foundation on 1) test should be run from from refstack-client. 2) out-bound connect from refstack-client to RefStack server is required | 19:36 |
| catherineD|2 | so at least there is a connection for uploading data | 19:36 |
| catherineD|2 | perfect solution would be centralized testing initiated from RefStack server ... but we are not there yet | 19:37 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: It's not a perfect solution. Because opening connection from the inside to us is safer for some clients then having refstack panel coming from the outside. It's like passive and active ftp | 19:38 |
| alexandrelevine | "than having" | 19:38 |
| rockyg | right. Some clouds will be airgapped from the net | 19:38 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: agree | 19:38 |
| alexandrelevine | So to be safe 2 modes can exist: initiated from our side (includes Centralized option) and initiated from the client side. | 19:38 |
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| alexandrelevine | But still, if it's our refstack-client on that side it can safely test and pass the results. | 19:39 |
| alexandrelevine | "relatively safely", of course :) It can be done too hard to hack. | 19:39 |
| catherineD|2 | so do everyone agree with the action statement to DefCore/foundation above? | 19:40 |
| alexandrelevine | yes | 19:40 |
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| rockyg | ++ | 19:41 |
| pvaneck | +1 | 19:41 |
| catherineD|2 | ok so weill revisit this topic next week ... | 19:41 |
| catherineD|2 | moving on .. | 19:41 |
| catherineD|2 | #topic Please review Alex's updated requirement doc | 19:41 |
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| catherineD|2 | #link https://goo.gl/bvo4FG (The new sections for review are starting from the "Vednor registration" section.) | 19:42 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: thx for updating the doc | 19:42 |
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| alexandrelevine | my pleasure :) | 19:42 |
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| catherineD|2 | I have reviewed and made some comments ... would appreciate everyone to review ... | 19:43 |
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| catherineD|2 | moving on .. | 19:44 |
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| catherineD|2 | #topic Pending reviews | 19:45 |
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| catherineD|2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283885/ Fix link error for RefStack PyPI | 19:45 |
| catherineD|2 | if you look at https://pypi.python.org/pypi/refstack/1.0.1 | 19:46 |
| catherineD|2 | the API and UI install docs: doc/refstack.md link is broken .. | 19:47 |
| pvaneck | I can change that manually I believe, but still good to update the readme to use direct links i think | 19:47 |
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| catherineD|2 | let's do it on the read me it does not hurt and avoid you to manually fix every time | 19:48 |
| catherineD|2 | moving on | 19:48 |
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| catherineD|2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284992/ Update angular bootstrap components | 19:49 |
| catherineD|2 | I guess we just need David or Sergey to do a final review on this one .. | 19:50 |
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| catherineD|2 | for 6.3 and 6.4 since they are new just let everyone have a chance to review them ... | 19:51 |
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| catherineD|2 | any other topic? | 19:51 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Yes | 19:51 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: please | 19:52 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: I think that the fact that after 3 weeks and one response I had to resort to suggesting some solutions myself instead of getting answers from DefCore means that they do not care enough about RefStack. Usually it leads to results not expected by stakeholders when they get the product. | 19:53 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: How about this ... Let us put this on the agenda for Wed IRC meeting .. | 19:54 |
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| rockyg | Midcycle is coming up shortly. I think maybe there are some DefCore members that would respond if reached out to directly. Maybe we should try that. | 19:54 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Put what? Conceptual problem or particular one? | 19:54 |
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| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: put the questions in your second email to the agenad | 19:55 |
| catherineD|2 | agenda | 19:55 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: We can't discuss something during one meeting. There should be a way to communicate complicated matters and have responsible people to pay attention. | 19:55 |
| catherineD|2 | so we will get response | 19:55 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: We won't. At least not a thought-over one. | 19:55 |
| catherineD|2 | alexandrelevine: we will ask on the meeting that they respond to the email | 19:56 |
| catherineD|2 | IMO. DefCore is our stake holder | 19:57 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Well, it won't solve conceptual problem. They haven't read the doc with requirements also. Only Eigle once. So maybe we shouldn't bother. I'm trying to bring attention to the whole picture. | 19:57 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Of course they are. | 19:57 |
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| alexandrelevine | catherineD: Anyways. If we want to have particular answers then important one is about the info for vendor registration. | 19:58 |
| alexandrelevine | catherineD: That can be asked. | 19:58 |
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| catherineD|2 | OK let's do that ... I will give update the team on Wed afternoon ... of course will ask for response via email too | 19:59 |
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| catherineD|2 | I think we are about out of time | 19:59 |
| catherineD|2 | thank you everyone!!! | 19:59 |
| alexandrelevine | yep. | 19:59 |
| andrey-mp | thank you! | 19:59 |
| catherineD|2 | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 29 20:00:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-02-29-19.00.html | 20:00 |
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| Guest71383 | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| rockyg | Thanks! | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 29 20:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Guest71383. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| Guest71383 | crap | 20:00 |
| * Guest71383 is redrobot | 20:00 | |
| Guest71383 | should have checked my nick | 20:00 |
| Guest71383 | give me a sec | 20:00 |
| Guest71383 | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 29 20:00:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-02-29-20.00.html | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 29 20:01:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:01 |
| woodster_ | redrobot's true identity is revealed | 20:01 |
| redrobot | better | 20:01 |
| redrobot | haha | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:01 |
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| rellerreller | o/ | 20:01 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:01 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| diazjf | o/ | 20:01 |
| jmckind | o/ | 20:01 |
| elmiko | o/ (sorta) | 20:01 |
| jkf | o/ | 20:02 |
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| edtubill | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | Lots of barbicaneers here today | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | as usual our agenda can be found here: | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | and anyone is allowed to add topics | 20:02 |
| redrobot | and it looks like a couple of you did! | 20:03 |
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| alee | o/ | 20:03 |
| dave-mccowan | o/ | 20:03 |
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| silos | o/ | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #topic Action Items from last meeting | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-02-22-20.00.html | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | Looks like there was just one unassigned action item. | 20:04 |
| redrobot | which should probably be a #help item, not an #action item. | 20:04 |
| redrobot | so | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #help We need someone to take over Adam Harwell's CR | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251168/ | 20:05 |
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| panatl | 0/ | 20:06 |
| panatl | o/ | 20:06 |
| woodster_ | I thought someone did offer to take it over last week? | 20:06 |
| redrobot | woodster_ I didn't see anyone assigned to the action item... but I was also only here for like 5 min last week | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | diazjf did anyone volunteer to pick up Adam's CR? | 20:07 |
| diazjf | I believe mp1 | 20:07 |
| diazjf | wanted to take a look at it | 20:07 |
| diazjf | I'll ask him to join | 20:07 |
| panatl | me . for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251168/ | 20:07 |
| panatl | i did .. please assigned to me | 20:07 |
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| panatl | please assing to me ... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251168/ | 20:08 |
| panatl | will catch up with rm_work .. if have any questions | 20:08 |
| redrobot | hi panatl ! I don't think I've met you before. Would you mind introducing yourself? | 20:08 |
| panatl | we did ... in San antonio | 20:08 |
| panatl | :) | 20:08 |
| * redrobot is terrible with names... and even worse with IRC handles | 20:08 | |
| panatl | was with Arun | 20:08 |
| mp1 | o/ | 20:08 |
| mp1 | super late sorry | 20:08 |
| redrobot | hi mp1 | 20:09 |
| panatl | redrobot: we met .. i am Pankaj Khandar from HPE | 20:09 |
| redrobot | mp1 we were just wondering if you signed up to work on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251168/ ? | 20:09 |
| redrobot | panatl I do remember you! ... just didn't know your handle :) | 20:09 |
| panatl | cheers from silos :) | 20:10 |
| redrobot | mp1 if not panatl was willing to work on it | 20:10 |
| mp1 | I did, but it looks like panatl volunteered to work on it in the meeting last week? | 20:10 |
| mp1 | I'm busy with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282059/ | 20:10 |
| redrobot | mp1 ok, sounds good | 20:11 |
| redrobot | #action panatl will take over rm_work's CR https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251168/ | 20:11 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | #topic Liaison Updates | 20:11 |
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| panatl | thanks! | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | I missed the oslo meeting this morning (shame on me) | 20:12 |
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| redrobot | hockeynut_afk any news from QE/QA? | 20:12 |
| redrobot | guess not since afk | 20:12 |
| hockeynut_afk | redrobot nosiree | 20:13 |
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| redrobot | pdesai1 ping | 20:13 |
| pdesai1 | hey | 20:13 |
| redrobot | hi pdesai1 ! I noticed our Doc liaison is outdated, and it reminded me that you're doing a ton of doc work | 20:14 |
| pdesai1 | yup i am working on it | 20:14 |
| redrobot | pdesai1 just wondering if you had an update on the api-guide work? | 20:14 |
| pdesai1 | have two patches ready for review | 20:14 |
| pdesai1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285519/1 | 20:14 |
| pdesai1 | working on Andreas comment | 20:14 |
| pdesai1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284368/ | 20:14 |
| pdesai1 | is ready for review | 20:15 |
| pdesai1 | there are lot of reference and doc changes as the location of .rst files have changed | 20:15 |
| pdesai1 | under userguide | 20:15 |
| redrobot | pdesai1 awesome, thanks! | 20:15 |
| pdesai1 | sure | 20:15 |
| diazjf | pdesai1 I'll help review those as well | 20:16 |
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| pdesai1 | thanks diazjf | 20:16 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on to the actual agenda | 20:17 |
| redrobot | #topic Code Freeze, burr! | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-m-spec-crs | 20:17 |
| redrobot | So diazjf was nice enough to put the etherpad together with links to outstanding blueprint work | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | we should try to get these landed no later than Wednesday | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | I want to be able to cut RC1 this Thursday | 20:18 |
| redrobot | or M3 I guess | 20:18 |
| diazjf | redrobot perfect. | 20:18 |
| redrobot | #link http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | we should probably aim to release a Mitaka python-barbicanclient as well | 20:19 |
| redrobot | I already have a CR in review for a python-barbicanclient release | 20:19 |
| redrobot | but it still needs a bit more work | 20:19 |
| redrobot | also there's been a couple of bugs reported that we may want to fix before then... | 20:19 |
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| silos | redrobot: I've been looking at some of the bugs. We should start the discussion for the v2 client as soon as possible because some are very hard to fix without revamping the client. | 20:21 |
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| redrobot | silos yeah... one of the reasons we slacked on releasing the client was that I didn't really want to commit to supporting the openstack-client bits right off the bat | 20:21 |
| redrobot | but I think we can call those "beta" this release and then change them without too much trouble. | 20:21 |
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| silos | redrobot: OK. sounds good. | 20:22 |
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| redrobot | any questions about M3 or the Code Freeze? | 20:23 |
| alee | redrobot, is the alternate auth stuff going to make it in castellan? | 20:23 |
| alee | redrobot, is there going to be a castellan release? | 20:23 |
| kfarr | alee redrobot, that's the next thing on the agenda! | 20:24 |
| alee | kfarr, awesome | 20:24 |
| diazjf | redrobot, so everything needs to be merged by Wednesday? hopefully :) | 20:24 |
| redrobot | diazjf yes, hopefully by Wednesday EOB. I'll be focusing on reviews today and probably Wednesday as well. | 20:25 |
| redrobot | alee kfarr yeah, I'll cover that next. | 20:25 |
| diazjf | redrobot, awesome thanks | 20:26 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:26 |
| redrobot | #topic Castellan releases | 20:26 |
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| redrobot | So the first thing I should point out is that Castellan is not managed by the release team: | 20:26 |
| redrobot | #link Castellan releases | 20:26 |
| redrobot | #undo | 20:26 |
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| redrobot | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/projects.yaml#n41 | 20:26 |
| kfarr | Yes, and I had cut a few Castellan releases in the past | 20:27 |
| redrobot | Note that only the Barbican Service and python-barbicanclient are managed by the release team. | 20:27 |
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| redrobot | so in theory we should be able to release Castellan whenever we feel like we need a release. | 20:27 |
| diazjf | redrobot, kfarr, alee, rellerreller, after the secret metadata stuff gets merged I'll be 100% in finishing the castellan auth stuff | 20:28 |
| kfarr | The reason I put Castellan releases on the meeting minutes was because I wanted to cut a Castellan release now | 20:28 |
| kfarr | and wanted to ask the community if anyone wanted me to wait | 20:28 |
| diazjf | kfarr, would next week be possible | 20:29 |
| rellerreller | kfarr do you need it released for any dependent patches in other projects? | 20:29 |
| diazjf | I just need tests for the castellan auth stuff to be done | 20:29 |
| redrobot | That said... I'm not sure how the dependency management for Mitaka affects Castellan | 20:29 |
| rellerreller | kfarr or do you want to wait for the auth stuff? | 20:29 |
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| kfarr | How soon do we think the auth stuff will be finished? | 20:30 |
| diazjf | kfarr, if no problems on the user metadata stuff, I'd say Friday | 20:30 |
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| kfarr | Ok, that's fine. I don't need it immediately, but it would be nice soon | 20:32 |
| kfarr | alee, was there a reason you were interested in a new release? | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | kfarr do you need this new release to be used by other projects in the Mitaka release? | 20:32 |
| alee | kfarr, no - just curious as to status | 20:33 |
| kfarr | I do need it eventually, but right now I'm working around not having it | 20:33 |
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| alee | kfarr, I plan to use it for some cinder work later on | 20:33 |
| redrobot | kfarr we may want to look into the version ceiling for Mitaka... I think the upper constraints are going to be set soon. | 20:33 |
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| redrobot | kfarr not a huge deal since we can always backport into a branch that meets the version requirements for the upper constraints, but it's definitely easier if the upper constraints include the new release. | 20:34 |
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| kfarr | redrobot ok yeah, I don't know how project-specific version ceilings get set | 20:35 |
| redrobot | kfarr it's part of openstack/requirements ... but I'm not 100% sure on when they get locked down for the final cycle release. | 20:36 |
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| diazjf | kfarr, I'll see if I can get the tests ready for review by Wednesday | 20:36 |
| redrobot | #action redrobot to look into upper constraints for Castellan across projects in the Mitaka release | 20:36 |
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| redrobot | kfarr I'll ping you when I find out what the deal is | 20:37 |
| kfarr | redrobot ok cool! | 20:37 |
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| redrobot | anything else on Castellan releases? | 20:37 |
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| kfarr | That's it for me! | 20:37 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:38 |
| redrobot | #topic Open Discussion | 20:38 |
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| redrobot | Any other topics/questions we should talk about? | 20:38 |
| rellerreller | Any news on design session? | 20:38 |
| redrobot | rellerreller oh yes! Thanks | 20:38 |
| redrobot | The organizers pinged me last week to ask about space requirements. | 20:38 |
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| redrobot | let's start an etherpad to capture design session topics for the Summit | 20:39 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-barbican-design-sessions | 20:39 |
| redrobot | If we can get topics in there in the next day or two that'll give me a good idea of what our space requirements look like. | 20:40 |
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| redrobot | Also, to avoid the time-suck of the CMS split discussions that happend in Tokyo | 20:41 |
| redrobot | let's try to only add topics that we know we are willing to work on for the cycle. | 20:42 |
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| redrobot | also avoid content-type talks | 20:42 |
| redrobot | unless it's v2 content-types ;) | 20:42 |
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| diazjf | no CMS, no content-types, this is gonna be a weird summit ;-) | 20:43 |
| redrobot | lolol | 20:43 |
| redrobot | we can talk CMS | 20:43 |
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| redrobot | but only if someone is ready to do the work | 20:43 |
| rellerreller | How do the cross-project topics work? | 20:44 |
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| rellerreller | Do we still propose under Barbican and indicate that it is a cross-project, or is there a cross-project submission forum or something? | 20:44 |
| redrobot | rellerreller there's usually an email that goes out with a link to an openstack-hosted service where topics get proposed | 20:44 |
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| redrobot | rellerreller those submissions get reviewed by the tc, and then the top X talks get chosen for the cross-project track | 20:45 |
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| redrobot | which usually happens a day before the regular design sessions | 20:45 |
| diazjf | reminder BYOK -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271517/ | 20:45 |
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| rellerreller | diazjf That's exactly what I was thinking. BYOK seems to be quite popular. | 20:46 |
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| diazjf | rellerreller, yeah I think os-security will be involved in that as well | 20:47 |
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| redrobot | There's a party at the summit, and it's BYOK | 20:47 |
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| rellerreller | I'm expecting a lot of interested parties there. Plus add in the fact that every service will need to have API changes to support it, and it sounds like a long, tedious process. | 20:48 |
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| rellerreller | I love BYOK parties! | 20:48 |
| redrobot | any other topics we should talk about? | 20:49 |
| redrobot | if not we could all get 10 min of our day back | 20:49 |
| rellerreller | Is anyone familiar with Keystone policy resources? | 20:49 |
| elmiko | what do you mean exactly? | 20:50 |
| rellerreller | I saw that in the API and was wondering if any other projects are using it. | 20:50 |
| elmiko | ah, gotcha. not sure | 20:50 |
| rellerreller | What kinds of policy are being stored there? | 20:50 |
| pdesai1 | that API is for creating new policies | 20:51 |
| pdesai1 | nothing is stored by default | 20:51 |
| rellerreller | It gets stored and then you can retrieve it according to the API. | 20:51 |
| pdesai1 | the idea is to convert the policy.json file and store policies from there into db | 20:51 |
| pdesai1 | yup as a deployer you can create whatever policy is appropriate for your deployment and retrieve it back | 20:52 |
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| rellerreller | Awesome opossum! | 20:52 |
| pdesai1 | db takes higher precedence over policy.json which is configurable | 20:52 |
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| rellerreller | Thanks pdesai1 ! | 20:53 |
| pdesai1 | sure rellerreller | 20:53 |
| elmiko | pdesai1++ | 20:53 |
| pdesai1 | :) | 20:54 |
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| rellerreller | That's all I had. | 20:54 |
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| redrobot | woot! finished with 5 min to spare | 20:54 |
| mp1 | this patch is ready for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282059/ if anyone has spare cycles to take a look at it | 20:54 |
| redrobot | thanks for coming everyone! | 20:54 |
| elmiko | hehe | 20:54 |
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| redrobot | in the nick of time mp1 | 20:55 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:55 |
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| diazjf | later dudes | 20:55 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 29 20:55:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-02-29-20.01.html | 20:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-02-29-20.01.txt | 20:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-02-29-20.01.log.html | 20:55 |
| elmiko | thanks redrobot | 20:55 |
| elmiko | that was a total drive-by review request ;) | 20:55 |
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| carolbarrett | #startmeeting Product Working Group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 29 21:00:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carolbarrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:00 |
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| carolbarrett | Hi Folks - Time for the Product Work Group team meeting | 21:01 |
| KrishR | o/ | 21:01 |
| leong | o/ | 21:01 |
| MarkBaker | 0/ | 21:01 |
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| shamail | Hello | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | Agenda can be found at the link | 21:02 |
| MeganR | o/ | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | let's start with roll call | 21:02 |
| ian_ott | hello - this is Ian, sitting in for the first time, listening and learning | 21:02 |
| kencjohnston | o/ | 21:02 |
| shamail | Welcome ian_ott! | 21:02 |
| kencjohnston | ian_ott Welcome! | 21:02 |
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| sgordon | o/ | 21:02 |
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| carolbarrett | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | Hi Iam | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | Ian (oops) | 21:03 |
| pchadwick | hello all | 21:03 |
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| ian_ott | thanks for the welcome all | 21:03 |
| leongs | o/ | 21:03 |
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| breton | o/ | 21:03 |
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| KrishR | o/ | 21:03 |
| rockyg | o/ | 21:03 |
| pchadwick | o/ | 21:03 |
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| carolbarrett | Let's get going. | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Action Item Revie | 21:03 |
| kei_ | Hi everyone. I'm Kei. This is my first time to join. | 21:03 |
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| kencjohnston | welcome kei_ ! | 21:04 |
| carolbarrett | I seem to have typo-itis today... | 21:04 |
| shamail | Welcome to you as well kei_! | 21:04 |
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| carolbarrett | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-02-22-21.01.txt | 21:04 |
| pchadwick | Welcome Kei | 21:04 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-LON16-MidCycle_Summary | 21:04 |
| carolbarrett | Hi Kei | 21:04 |
| leongs | welcome kei! good to have you in the meeting! | 21:04 |
| rockyg | Welcome! | 21:05 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett I had the first AR | 21:05 |
| rockyg | Also: fyi Anni is on leave so won't join us today. | 21:05 |
| kencjohnston | * kencjohnston talk to talk to the infra team about adding more detail | 21:05 |
| kencjohnston | on Windows setup to docs | 21:05 |
| carolbarrett | Go ahead kenny | 21:05 |
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| kencjohnston | I started a thread on the dev list, and heard from teh Docs PTL that we should create our own guide so we could control the content more easily. Create one that references the infra guide | 21:05 |
| kencjohnston | and then I heard from an infra core that they woudl welcome contributions to make their guide more usable by non-developers/windows folks | 21:06 |
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| kei_ | Thank you, everyone. I'm finally able to join here today, Leong. | 21:06 |
| kencjohnston | So... my vote would be to add to the infra guide. | 21:06 |
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| shamail | kencjohnston: I saw that... Wanted your opinion on whether we need a guide or just add a wiki page since ours won't be updating that often? | 21:06 |
| kencjohnston | Let me add links to the two examples | 21:06 |
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| kencjohnston | shamail I think it would be better to continue to point all new contributors to one place, the infra guide | 21:07 |
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| kencjohnston | just expand the definition of contributor | 21:07 |
| carolbarrett | kencjohnston +1 | 21:07 |
| rockyg | we want it in the infra guide. A doc as opposed to the wiki | 21:07 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: +1 | 21:07 |
| leongs | +1 | 21:07 |
| rockyg | Especially since the wiki is currently under spam attack :-/ | 21:07 |
| KrishR | +1 | 21:07 |
| kencjohnston | #link http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/index.html | 21:08 |
| rockyg | kencjohnston, +1 | 21:08 |
| kencjohnston | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html#getting-started | 21:08 |
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| kencjohnston | So we want to update the second link | 21:08 |
| kencjohnston | rockyg Spam attack? Oh no. | 21:08 |
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| pchadwick | under additional Git workflow? | 21:08 |
| carolbarrett | rockyg: that would explain the new challenge question when you post an update to a wiki page | 21:08 |
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| rockyg | back on topic, I think this section needs a diagram. Some folks don't get things by reading words. | 21:09 |
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| kencjohnston | rockyg +1 and links to leongs videos | 21:10 |
| rockyg | Yon spamming, they are locking down various parts of the site, then will look for patterns once they get things controlled. | 21:10 |
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| rockyg | kencjohnston, +1 to video links | 21:11 |
| kencjohnston | one more link, this one to the email thread. | 21:11 |
| kencjohnston | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/087286.html | 21:11 |
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| carolbarrett | It seems that the action items should be: | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett | 1) Link Leong's videos to the getting started doc | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett | Leong: Can you take that AR? | 21:13 |
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| leongs | +1 | 21:13 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks | 21:13 |
| carolbarrett | #action Leong Leong's videos to the getting started doc | 21:13 |
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| carolbarrett | 2) Is there some enhancements to the existing diagram that need to be made or new ones created? | 21:14 |
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| kencjohnston | can I add to that action, leongs can you send us the gerrit link once committed? | 21:14 |
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| carolbarrett | #action leong send to the PWG ML the gerrit link once committed | 21:14 |
| leongs | ok kencjohnston | 21:14 |
| carolbarrett | kencjohnston: got it | 21:15 |
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| carolbarrett | What about diagrams, changes? Someone willing to own this? | 21:15 |
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| rockyg | I think we need a diagram for signing up and getting accounts squared away. | 21:15 |
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| carolbarrett | rockyg: Will you take ownership for this? | 21:15 |
| carolbarrett | anyone else? | 21:16 |
| rockyg | Interesting question. Mostly drowning right now, but I may be able to do something.... but not immediately. DefCore midcycle next week. | 21:16 |
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| shamail | Packed schedule until 3/11... I can help after that. | 21:17 |
| kei_ | leongs: Where can I find your video? | 21:17 |
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| carolbarrett | OK, we'll put it on the back burnder for now | 21:17 |
| carolbarrett | OK, moving to next Action Item: Shamail - Do you want to reportout on the Roadmap meeting doodle? | 21:17 |
| shamail | Sure | 21:17 |
| MarkBaker | /me has not responded to roadmap meeting doodle | 21:18 |
| shamail | I sent out a doodle for the roadmap sub-team weekly meeting | 21:18 |
| shamail | The results are in! | 21:18 |
| shamail | We will be meeting on Tuesdays at 2P ET/11A PST | 21:18 |
| pchadwick | I didn't respond, but that time works for me. | 21:19 |
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| shamail | Hopefully that works MarkBaker | 21:19 |
| cloudrancher | Great | 21:19 |
| pchadwick | Starting tomorrow? | 21:19 |
| leongs | kei_ : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAVPDyK8flc | 21:19 |
| shamail | Awesome pchadwick | 21:19 |
| MarkBaker | shamail, that works, although not this week | 21:19 |
| carolbarrett | Good | 21:19 |
| shamail | Yes | 21:19 |
| shamail | Starting tomorrow | 21:19 |
| KrishR | works, but not this week | 21:19 |
| kei_ | leongs: Thanks. | 21:19 |
| pchadwick | shamail: cool | 21:19 |
| shamail | Tomorrow will just be a status update | 21:19 |
| rockyg | what happens with Daylight savings time? | 21:19 |
| carolbarrett | Anything else Shamail? | 21:19 |
| shamail | That is all | 21:20 |
| pchadwick | shamail: Where is the meeting info? | 21:20 |
| carolbarrett | rockyg: when is that? | 21:20 |
| rockyg | I think it's this coming sunday | 21:20 |
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| shamail | Pchadwick: I haven't sent the details out yet... Expect them tonight | 21:21 |
| rockyg | Nope. Next sunday, 3/13 | 21:21 |
| pchadwick | OK - thanks. | 21:21 |
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| carolbarrett | OK - Let's figure out what to do with Daylight savings next week - will put on the agenda. | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | Let's move on | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | For my ARs, we're going to talk about the doodle results for training in a bit; On contacting Foundation folks for a room, I sent a note and they will get back to me as they sort out the overall conference rooms | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | Let's go to the Action Items from the Mid-cycle | 21:22 |
| carolbarrett | That is the 2nd link I posted at the start of this topic | 21:22 |
| carolbarrett | Has everyone looked over the Action Item Summary? The 1st section applies to all of us | 21:23 |
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| kencjohnston | carolbarrett I have | 21:23 |
| kencjohnston | And I'm particularly fond of this one - AR: Add "openstack/openstack-user-stories" toyour watched Projects on Gerrit - https://review.openstack.org/#/settings/projects | 21:24 |
| shamail | Same | 21:24 |
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| carolbarrett | +1 | 21:24 |
| cloudrancher | Confessing that I have not | 21:24 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett do you want to review all items 1X1 here, or should we add status to the etherpad? | 21:24 |
| carolbarrett | kencjohnston: nice to have a favorite! | 21:24 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: +1 good idea | 21:24 |
| carolbarrett | kencjohnston & Leong: How are the Rolling upgrade User Story Action Items coming along? Can you put an update into the etherpad too? | 21:25 |
| kencjohnston | Sure, most of them are completed as per | 21:25 |
| kencjohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286103/ | 21:25 |
| kencjohnston | Which confirms to the new template and proposes for cross project spec creation | 21:25 |
| kencjohnston | s/confirms/conforms | 21:26 |
| shamail | The skeleton tracker file looks good too kencjohnston | 21:26 |
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| carolbarrett | +1 | 21:27 |
| kencjohnston | thanks shamail | 21:27 |
| shamail | . | 21:27 |
| carolbarrett | I've put updates in the etherpad for the items I own - more work required.. | 21:28 |
| shamail | Same here | 21:28 |
| carolbarrett | Shamail: Thanks for th eupdate on o | 21:28 |
| carolbarrett | oop: hit enter too soon | 21:28 |
| carolbarrett | Shamail: Thanks for your updates | 21:28 |
| shamail | You're welcome carolbarrett | 21:28 |
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| carolbarrett | Rocky: What's the status on your AR? | 21:29 |
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| carolbarrett | Mike Perez: Are you here? | 21:30 |
| carolbarrett | I'll take that to mean it's still pending. | 21:30 |
| carolbarrett | Thingee? | 21:30 |
| carolbarrett | Piet are you here? | 21:30 |
| shamail | Don't see him... | 21:30 |
| shamail | Nor him | 21:30 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks shamail | 21:30 |
| rockyg | Swamped. Just now catching up. Can't find etherpad.... | 21:31 |
| carolbarrett | we'll move to Leong - Ready to share results on Doodle? | 21:31 |
| rockyg | at least not at my fingertips. | 21:31 |
| carolbarrett | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG-LON16-MidCycle_Summary | 21:31 |
| rockyg | Thanks. Just found it up top | 21:31 |
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| leongs | I have received only 7 response for the PWG change time... | 21:32 |
| rockyg | Ah. On stable branch meeting in -4 now. will update this week or next. | 21:32 |
| shamail | Do you want to set a deadline leongs? | 21:32 |
| carolbarrett | Does everyone have the doodle link to the meeting poll? | 21:32 |
| carolbarrett | Leong: Can you post it here? | 21:32 |
| shamail | +1 | 21:33 |
| leongs | https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/9WRDDTG | 21:33 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks Leong | 21:33 |
| leongs | #link PWG Meeting Time Survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/9WRDDTG | 21:33 |
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| carolbarrett | When do you want to cut-off the survey? | 21:33 |
| leongs | Appreciate if everyone could make you preferences by end of this week. | 21:34 |
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| shamail | I can do that | 21:34 |
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| MarkBaker | leongs, doing it now | 21:34 |
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| carolbarrett | #action All enter your prefences for meeting times into the doodle by end of this week https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/9WRDDTG | 21:34 |
| leongs | i would propose we make the changes after US Daylight saving | 21:34 |
| carolbarrett | OK - I think that takes care of action item review | 21:34 |
| carolbarrett | phew! | 21:34 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Work flow update | 21:34 |
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| carolbarrett | Shamail - Can you take us through this? | 21:35 |
| shamail | Absolutely! | 21:35 |
| pchadwick | leongs: +1 | 21:35 |
| shamail | I have updated the user story page on the wiki to reflect the new workflow... | 21:35 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories | 21:35 |
| shamail | Summary of key changes: | 21:35 |
| shamail | We will be getting rid of the draft folder | 21:35 |
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| shamail | The gap analysis phase has been moved into the community as a part of the cross project spec review process | 21:36 |
| leongs | should we "archive" the draft folder? | 21:36 |
| shamail | We will essentially be using Gerrit to review and update the user story concepts going forward | 21:36 |
| leongs | there are quite a few user story drafted there... | 21:36 |
| shamail | Mike will help us automate template validation | 21:37 |
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| shamail | Leong, we will move them to proposed as they are fit into the new template created by Kencjohnston | 21:37 |
| shamail | The ones that don't get updated, I will eventually move to proposed and they will stay as open reviews | 21:37 |
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| leongs | ok | 21:37 |
| leongs | got that | 21:37 |
| kencjohnston | shamail I can help split up the work of reformatting and moving | 21:38 |
| kencjohnston | but I agree we should do one commit for each one so we can review them individually. | 21:38 |
| leongs | should the existing "user owner" do the move? | 21:38 |
| shamail | Beyond that the changes mentioned above, we will basically be moving what used to be in tracked to cross project specs | 21:38 |
| kencjohnston | leongs +1 | 21:38 |
| shamail | Thanks Kencjohnston, I'll keep you posted on the workload once the dust settles | 21:38 |
| shamail | I will also be adding one more update to the wiki which will summarize these key changes | 21:39 |
| shamail | Any questions so far on the new workflow? | 21:39 |
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| kencjohnston | shamail just a comment that a big component of the new process | 21:39 |
| shamail | The tracker dashboard is going to be critical in the new workflow for visibility into user story status.... A few of us are starting to devise a plan of action on that. | 21:39 |
| kencjohnston | is that we all review the submissions and discuss any contention as the content is added | 21:40 |
| shamail | +1 Kencjohnston | 21:40 |
| kencjohnston | so watching the repo is critical so you can provide feedback | 21:40 |
| cloudrancher | can someone send me a email offline on what I need to do to convert the onboarding for management? | 21:40 |
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| shamail | Absolutely, we can't wait for IRC discussions or emails... All data/discussion should live in one place (that place will be Gerrit) | 21:40 |
| kencjohnston | cloudrancher it is pretty straightforward check out the new template format | 21:40 |
| cloudrancher | i'll take a look. | 21:41 |
| kencjohnston | shamail I think another component is that the cores need to provide more time for other reviewers to review | 21:41 |
| shamail | Agreed Kencjohnston | 21:41 |
| kencjohnston | to facilitate a discussion | 21:42 |
| shamail | Cores should go ahead and +2 but the second +2 shouldn't happen until there are a few +1s and discussion | 21:42 |
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| shamail | We also need to start attending cross project meetings | 21:43 |
| shamail | Since they integrate in our workflow, the user story owners at the very minimum | 21:43 |
| shamail | But ideally, both owners and CPLs should make it | 21:43 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: we'll need to get more specific on that one | 21:43 |
| shamail | And watch the cross project spec repo as well | 21:43 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: Specifics as in dates/times or reasoning? | 21:44 |
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| carolbarrett | Who will attend, when they need to discuss a topic with this group, when they need someone else to join them in the meetings, etc | 21:44 |
| shamail | Sounds good carolbarrett | 21:45 |
| shamail | Should I add that to the wiki as well or socialize via email or IRC first? | 21:45 |
| carolbarrett | Do we want the attendees to update this group on key discussions? Even if it's just coming into this meeting, raising the topic and posting a link to the discussion thread | 21:45 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: that's a good idea. THanks | 21:46 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: +1, I also want CPLs to provide regular updates on projects too... We can determine cadence. | 21:46 |
| shamail | I'll edit the wiki with this information and send an email for feedback | 21:46 |
| carolbarrett | #action Shamail Add info on Cross-Project Team liaison roles and requirements and send email too | 21:47 |
| carolbarrett | What else do we want to cover on work flow? | 21:47 |
| shamail | Thanks carolbarrett, that's all I had unless there are questions. | 21:47 |
| carolbarrett | #topic User Story Update Plan | 21:47 |
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| carolbarrett | OK, moving along | 21:47 |
| carolbarrett | Kenny - Can you take this one? | 21:48 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett sure | 21:48 |
| kencjohnston | So, as mentioend previously, all current user story owners need to update their stories to conform to teh new template | 21:48 |
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| kencjohnston | you can see an example here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286103/ | 21:48 |
| kencjohnston | this same commit should also include moving the file to the "Proposed" folder from the "Draft" folder | 21:49 |
| kencjohnston | I'm going to assume "owner" is the person who made the original commit | 21:49 |
| shamail | Kencjohnston: +1 | 21:49 |
| kencjohnston | we'd like these reviews submitted by EOW | 21:49 |
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| shamail | We can handle orphans after the authors/owners move the ones they own. | 21:50 |
| kencjohnston | so we can get the changes merged by a week from Friday | 21:50 |
| kencjohnston | shamail +1 | 21:50 |
| kencjohnston | so an action for all and an action for Shamail and I | 21:50 |
| kencjohnston | we'll pickup the orphans after Friday | 21:50 |
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| kencjohnston | and give mean looks to anyone who knowingly leaves a story orphaned for us to pickup :) | 21:50 |
| leongs | +1 | 21:50 |
| carolbarrett | #action All-User-Story-Owners Update your user story to the new format by 3/11 | 21:51 |
| shamail | Haha Kencjohnston | 21:51 |
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| kencjohnston | carolbarrett I'd ask that they submit the change by 3/4 | 21:51 |
| leongs | that's a busy march... | 21:51 |
| carolbarrett | #action Shamail/Kenny Update the user story orphans after 3/11 | 21:51 |
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| kencjohnston | The template changes are very minor, jsut some heading restructuring | 21:51 |
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| carolbarrett | Any questions? Does everyone know where do find the info to make the changes? | 21:52 |
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| kencjohnston | #link Updated User Story Template https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories/blob/master/user-story-template.rst | 21:53 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks Kencjohnston | 21:53 |
| * kencjohnston learned from leongs that you can name links | 21:53 | |
| carolbarrett | Moving along | 21:53 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Gerrit Team Training - Doodle Results | 21:53 |
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| carolbarrett | Thanks to all who responded to the doodle | 21:54 |
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| carolbarrett | The best time for people is 3/10 at 1PM Pacific | 21:54 |
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| carolbarrett | This session will focus on using the web interface of the newly released gerrit update | 21:54 |
| carolbarrett | kencjohnston and shamial will be the trainers for the session | 21:55 |
| pchadwick | That is right after the ebook review? | 21:55 |
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| kencjohnston | carolbarrett yep | 21:55 |
| carolbarrett | Do we need a webex or video conferencing or is audio conference OK? | 21:55 |
| pchadwick | carolbarrett: I would think that letting people see the WebUI would be useful | 21:56 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett webex or somethign similiar woudl be great | 21:56 |
| carolbarrett | pchadwick - I don't see a book review right before this | 21:56 |
| pchadwick | argh - I was looking at 3/9 instead of 3/10 | 21:57 |
| carolbarrett | OK - will someone with a webex account take the action item to schedule this? (I don't have one) | 21:57 |
| pchadwick | How many people are we talking about? | 21:57 |
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| pchadwick | I have a go to meeting | 21:57 |
| MarkBaker | pchadwick, is gotomeeting more linux friendly? | 21:58 |
| pchadwick | Yes, as in it actually works. ;) | 21:58 |
| MeganR | I can schedule Webex if that is easier | 21:58 |
| carolbarrett | There were 10 responses to the doodle, so I'd plan on ~15 | 21:58 |
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| pchadwick | MarkBaker: you can even control GTM from Chrome on Linux | 21:58 |
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| carolbarrett | pchadwick - I'd appreciate if you'd send out a meeting invite to the PWG ML with the meeting info for 3/10 at 1:00 Pacific | 21:59 |
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| pchadwick | assign me the action | 21:59 |
| carolbarrett | #action: Pete Chadwick Send out a meeting invite to the PWG ML with the meeting info for 3/10 at 1:00 Pacific | 21:59 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks | 21:59 |
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| carolbarrett | We're out of time, so will push Persona to next meeting. Can always take this to the ML if that's too far out. | 22:00 |
| carolbarrett | Thanks | 22:00 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett thanks! | 22:00 |
| kencjohnston | thanks all! | 22:00 |
| carolbarrett | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| rockyg | GTM or JoinMe | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 29 22:00:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-02-29-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-02-29-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-02-29-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
| rockyg | Thanks! | 22:01 |
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| pchadwick | bye | 22:01 |
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