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| dprince | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 22 14:00:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dprince. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 14:00 |
| tzumainn | hi! | 14:00 |
| dprince | hi everyone | 14:00 |
| derekh | \o/ | 14:00 |
| michchap_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| shardy | o/ | 14:01 |
| jdob | o/ | 14:01 |
| qasims_ | o/ | 14:01 |
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| d0ugal | o/ | 14:01 |
| pradk | o/ | 14:01 |
| bandini | o/ | 14:01 |
| adarazs | \o/ | 14:01 |
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| marios | o/ | 14:01 |
| matbu | \o | 14:02 |
| trown | o/ | 14:02 |
| rbrady | o/ | 14:02 |
| gfidente | o/ | 14:02 |
| dprince | #topic agenda | 14:02 |
| dprince | * bugs | 14:02 |
| dprince | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:02 |
| dprince | * CI | 14:02 |
| dprince | * Specs | 14:02 |
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| dprince | * one off agenda items | 14:02 |
| dprince | * open discussion | 14:02 |
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| dprince | there are no one off items to discuss this week. Anything else to add to our topics that doesn't fit into one of these categories? | 14:03 |
| shardy | Hey the review highlights is a bit outdated in the wiki: | 14:03 |
| shardy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO | 14:03 |
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| dprince | shardy: yeah, we've been skipping that in the weekly meetings too | 14:03 |
| dprince | shardy: I think it is safe to remove it for now | 14:03 |
| shardy | dprince: ack, I'll do it now | 14:03 |
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| beagles | o/ (a bit tardy) | 14:04 |
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| dprince | okay, lets get started | 14:04 |
| dprince | #topic bugs | 14:04 |
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| dprince | I got bit by the os-collect-config breakage yesterday so it is worth mentioning I think https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1560257 | 14:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1560257 in tripleo "os-collect-config not covered in CI" [Critical,Triaged] - Assigned to James Slagle (james-slagle) | 14:05 |
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| dprince | basically, there was a switch to oslo.log in os-collect-config that broke us | 14:05 |
| slagle | i'll try and look at this week | 14:05 |
| trown | is os-collect-config just not getting built in CI? and therefore pulled from current? | 14:05 |
| dprince | it was reverted so now we are okay, but it pointed out that we aren't even covering it in our CI :/ | 14:06 |
| slagle | trown: yes, that's the issue | 14:06 |
| slagle | see the bug | 14:06 |
| trown | k, I can help dig in to that too | 14:06 |
| sshnaidm | dprince, I'd like to add to discussion: tempest tests for CI | 14:06 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 14:06 |
| slagle | since we couldn't CI the fix either, i just approved the revert | 14:06 |
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| trown | makes sense | 14:06 |
| dprince | any other bugs to mention this week? | 14:06 |
| shardy | Was there a HA specific bug yesterday too? | 14:06 |
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| dprince | sshnaidm: ack, lets talk about it under the CI topic in a few minutes | 14:07 |
| shardy | pradk has an issue with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289435/ and I wondered if anyone already knew why | 14:07 |
| slagle | what's the issue? | 14:07 |
| derekh | slagle: we should be testing it (obviously) /me will take a look too | 14:07 |
| pradk | the ci ha job seems to fail on mongo connection issues | 14:07 |
| shardy | slagle: it's failing to connect to mongo for some reason | 14:07 |
| pradk | which doesnt seem related to aodh patch, so wonder if its something else that got in recently? | 14:08 |
| EmilienM | maybe ipv6 stuffs? | 14:08 |
| slagle | other ha jobs are passing | 14:08 |
| dprince | shardy: I saw the mongo error messages in my puppet logs recently too, I wasn't sure if there was a functional breakage there or what | 14:08 |
| slagle | pradk: are any other ha jobs failing with that error? | 14:08 |
| dprince | I saw mongo errors w/ non-ha jobs I think | 14:08 |
| pradk | it passes locally at least without net iso as i tested | 14:09 |
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| dprince | actually, I think I saw them locally w/ non-ha testing | 14:09 |
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| EmilienM | Error: couldn't connect to server 127.0.0.1:27017 (127.0.0.1), is not an error | 14:09 |
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| shardy | It's not actually that clear if it's the connection to mongo or that it couldn't restart heat-engine | 14:09 |
| EmilienM | I mean, it's not what makes the catalog failing | 14:09 |
| shardy | the mongo connection looks broken, but that's actually only a warning | 14:09 |
| EmilienM | looking at http://logs.openstack.org/35/289435/5/check-tripleo/gate-tripleo-ci-f22-ha/372d303/console.html#_2016-03-22_04_10_23_649 | 14:09 |
| EmilienM | the real error is: | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | Error: /Stage[main]/Heat::Engine/Service[heat-engine]: Failed to call refresh: Could not restart Service[heat-engine]: Execution of '/usr/bin/systemctl restart openstack-heat-engine' r | 14:10 |
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| pradk | EmilienM, yea i think you're right | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | I agree something is ERRORing with mongo but it's not blocking the deployment, at this step | 14:10 |
| dprince | shardy: yep, that is what I thought as well. The mongo message had 'error' in it but it didn't cause an actual failure | 14:10 |
| shardy | Ok, we can pick this up in #tripleo, just wanted to avoid duplicate effort if someone already knew what the problem is | 14:10 |
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| EmilienM | I can try to debug why mongo does an ERROR sometimes, i'll file a bug. | 14:11 |
| dprince | still, it would be good to file a Mongo bug with regards to this and get it fixed... | 14:11 |
| dprince | EmilienM: ++ | 14:11 |
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| pradk | EmilienM, thx! | 14:11 |
| dprince | okay, any other bugs before we move on? | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to file a but about MongoDB random error http://goo.gl/Z6IZM4 | 14:11 |
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| dprince | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:12 |
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| EmilienM | just an FYI: puppet modules are branching stable/mitaka this week | 14:12 |
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| dprince | shardy, slagle: want to give an update of when we are branching Mitaka, etc.? | 14:13 |
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| shardy | So I was out most of last week - slagle you were following the blocker list for mitaka right? | 14:13 |
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| shardy | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-mitaka-rc-blockers | 14:13 |
| slagle | yea, more or less, i think the only thing left for mitaka is aodh | 14:13 |
| pradk | just a quick note that we want to get the above patch(aodh) into mitaka .. so its pretty much ready pending the ha ci issue that i need some help debugging | 14:14 |
| derekh | This was the status logs at the last meeting | 14:14 |
| derekh | * we're free to branch mitaka once aodh and and deprecated message | 14:14 |
| derekh | have been merged, then patches merged into mitaka should be fixes | 14:14 |
| derekh | only (derekh, 14:26:29) | 14:14 |
| dprince | derekh: thanks | 14:14 |
| slagle | so we can branch anytime once that's merged, or we can branch before it's merged, and allow it to be backported | 14:14 |
| shardy | Ok, so we should be good to go pretty soon after the puppet branch happens | 14:14 |
| shardy | excellent news! | 14:14 |
| dprince | yep, good news | 14:14 |
| trown | ya nice one | 14:14 |
| shardy | there's still a lot not struck-through in the etherpad, but I'm assuming we've invalidated that now based on the comments above? | 14:15 |
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| slagle | i had not specifically planned to do the branching :) | 14:15 |
| slagle | but i could | 14:15 |
| dprince | Yeah, lets decide how is going to take this | 14:15 |
| shardy | slagle: I'm happy to do it, but you're also free to pick it up | 14:15 |
| shardy | last time it was pretty easy once a list of SHAs to branch from were decided | 14:16 |
| slagle | i'll double check the etherpad | 14:16 |
| slagle | and will update it | 14:16 |
| trown | I think we should make sure what we branch works with the rest of mitaka, we are testing that in the RDO promote job for mitaka delorean | 14:16 |
| shardy | derekh: what's the status of the stable job - could we use that to get our list of sha's to branch from? | 14:17 |
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| shardy | trown: ack that works too | 14:17 |
| shardy | IIRC last time we worked backwards from RDO known-good commits | 14:17 |
| dprince | shardy: stable periodic job is passing I think http://tripleo.org/cistatus-periodic.html | 14:17 |
| shardy | which is kind of weird, but fine :) | 14:17 |
| trown | we have a versions.csv file in the delorean dir now too, so getting the hashes is super easy | 14:17 |
| derekh | shardy: I'm not sure what you mean, we have to mitaka job | 14:18 |
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| shardy | derekh: yeah, but are we running a periodic job on master with additional tests now? | 14:18 |
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| trown | shardy: but master is converging to newton, so we dont really want to use that for deciding if we work with mitaka | 14:19 |
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| derekh | shardy: yup, we're running a periodic job on master, no extra tests | 14:19 |
| derekh | have all the other projects branched at this stage and are all thier mitaka package in the stable repo? | 14:20 |
| dprince | okay, perhaps we can follow up on the SHA's in #tripleo or on the list | 14:20 |
| slagle | everything from the etherpad is merged except aodh and "Upgrades CI job (Liberty -> Mitaka)" | 14:20 |
| slagle | are we still going to block on that upgrades job? | 14:20 |
| shardy | trown: sure, but we can't CI test against the stable/mitaka repos until we have a set of branched repos | 14:20 |
| trown | ya sounds like we will wait for aodh anyways, so might as well assess the situation then | 14:20 |
| derekh | just pick now() and then we fix, | 14:21 |
| dprince | slagle: lets talk about the upgrades CI job under the next topic | 14:21 |
| shardy | derekh: hehe :) | 14:21 |
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| dprince | slagle: I'm thinking we don't block on that, although it is very bad of us to work on upgrades without an upstream CI job to tell us if it actually works or not | 14:21 |
| dprince | anything that breaks upgrades would be an implied backportable fix anyways, so we don't need to block on it | 14:22 |
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| slagle | ok, wfm | 14:22 |
| dprince | #topic CI | 14:22 |
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| dprince | so re. the upgrades job I spoke w/ Wes Hayutin (from RH) about possibly running his downstream upgrades job as a 3rd party test on select patches | 14:23 |
| dprince | or perhaps periodically too on upstream | 14:23 |
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| weshay | aye | 14:23 |
| dprince | weshay: hi | 14:23 |
| derekh | sounds good to me | 14:24 |
| slagle | weshay: do you have liberty to mitaka jobs? | 14:24 |
| weshay | apetrich, matbu will enable that soon, is there a time frame we're up against? Mitaka release? | 14:24 |
| derekh | are we talking about not doing it in our upstream CI? gfidente was working on it | 14:24 |
| dprince | weshay: how close, or much work would it be to run your upgrades testing setup on select patches, or periodically | 14:24 |
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| dprince | derekh: I would like it in our CI too | 14:24 |
| marios | slagle: dprince matbu is also setting up a upgrades job at https://rhos-jenkins.rhev-ci-vms.eng.rdu2.redhat.com/view/RDO/view/ospd-upgrades/ (not sure if same as weshay is referring to) | 14:24 |
| marios | (to liberty tho) | 14:25 |
| dprince | derekh: but it has already taken so long that I'd like to have it covered from multiple angle's I think | 14:25 |
| slagle | right, so that's kilo -> liberty | 14:25 |
| derekh | dprince: its passing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260466/ | 14:25 |
| slagle | and upstream we can only do liberty -> mitaka | 14:25 |
| slagle | not sure we are talking about the same thing | 14:25 |
| weshay | matbu, has not started but we didn't think changing the repos used would take too long. | 14:25 |
| derekh | dprince: although I think its currently only updates not yet upgrades, that right gfidente ? | 14:25 |
| pabelanger | Nice to see some downstream CI running as 3rd party CI, exciting time | 14:25 |
| gfidente | derekh ack it's only updating atm | 14:26 |
| dprince | derekh: still good progress | 14:26 |
| weshay | we can plug in both update and upgrade we think | 14:26 |
| dprince | gfidente: thanks for this | 14:26 |
| slagle | gfidente: does that update to the patch being tested? e.g., deploy w/o the patch, update to the patch | 14:26 |
| derekh | Yup, a big step forward | 14:26 |
| gfidente | slagle nope it doesn | 14:26 |
| slagle | ok, is that the next step? | 14:27 |
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| gfidente | yes and then I think we need to figure how to go from stable to master branch | 14:27 |
| dprince | gfidente, derekh: don't we have an etherpad that outlines these steps (for the upgrades CI job upstream) | 14:27 |
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| dprince | if not, could we create that so we can reference it next week to follow up on these things... | 14:28 |
| derekh | dprince: none that I know of | 14:28 |
| dprince | an upstream etherpad for the upgrades CI job progress? | 14:28 |
| dprince | derekh: if there is no etherpad how about we organize here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-ci-upgrades | 14:29 |
| dprince | lets follow up on this in #tripleo once we've organized | 14:30 |
| derekh | dprince: sounds good to me, it mainly been gfidente working on it though | 14:30 |
| dprince | gfidente: sound okay? | 14:30 |
| gfidente | yes I'll edit the pad | 14:30 |
| derekh | Our current CI under infra vs. 3rd party CI came up on the list, could we talk about that | 14:30 |
| dprince | sshnaidm: re, tempest what are your thoughts? | 14:30 |
| sshnaidm | I've created a patch that allows tempest run with tripleo.sh: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295844/ I'd like to know your opinions about adding most relevant tests to the list and running tempest tests on the gate | 14:30 |
| dprince | derekh: yes, that made me sad so I was avoiding it :) | 14:30 |
| dprince | sshnaidm: all depends on how long it adds to the wall time | 14:31 |
| dprince | sshnaidm: if it is reasonably fast I think it could be fine... | 14:31 |
| derekh | dprince: ya, I'm sorry to see it happen to but I'm leaning in the direction of 3rd party CI, I think it leaves us a little more flexable, which in turn will make it easier to deal with out upcomming datacenter move | 14:31 |
| sshnaidm | dprince, I'd suggest to add one by one, most relevant and not long | 14:31 |
| derekh | dprince: was kind of thinking about it already before it came up | 14:32 |
| dprince | derekh: I think 3rd party CI is really nice for focussed testing | 14:32 |
| pabelanger | dprince: derekh: I'm happy to help fight to keep tripleO CI upstream, but I think it might be a hard fight | 14:32 |
| dprince | derekh: in our case much of the pain is because we are not the gate, and by stepping by to 3rd party CI we'll never have the opportunity to fix things in the gate | 14:32 |
| sshnaidm | I think it could be adjusted to run tests no longer than current pingtest | 14:32 |
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| derekh | dprince: yup I couldn't agree more, the majority of our breakages would have been prevented if we were in the gate | 14:33 |
| dprince | pabelanger: ack, thanks. | 14:33 |
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| pabelanger | I am not sure what you mean not fix things in the gate as 3rd party? Is there a specific project you think you won't be able to -1 / -2 on? | 14:34 |
| dprince | derekh: the vision, which hasn't been realized was we would have a tiered gating setup. Our pipeline could perhaps come after the devstack-gate pipeline... and if we found an issue it could trigger a fast track revert or something | 14:34 |
| derekh | dprince: pabelanger maybe we try and figure out if we'll have the HW required to even contemplate being in the gate any time soon | 14:34 |
| dprince | pabelanger: 3rd party can't -2 I think | 14:34 |
| trown | dprince: derekh, I think there are other barriers to being in the gate that we are not close to solving though | 14:34 |
| shardy | One thing I've been trying is getting a TripleO heat stack deployed without ironic - that might open up testing a subset of our stuff (at least t-h-t and puppet pieces) on more generic CI resources | 14:34 |
| dprince | pabelanger: and it typically only runs as check jobs too | 14:34 |
| weshay | is it reasonable to focus the upstream tripleo-ci to be fast/reliable w/ a shorter scope of testing and leave larger and longer tests to 3rd party? | 14:35 |
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| dprince | weshay: yes, that is reasonable | 14:35 |
| pabelanger | dprince: I'd have to check, but that could change. It is just an ACL. I think it is more having the discussion with the project to allow your 3rd party to -2 | 14:35 |
| bnemec | Yeah, but HA is our major stability/time sink and that's something we need to be testing. | 14:35 |
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| dprince | bnemec: most of our outages aren't cloud outages I think | 14:36 |
| dprince | bnemec: and I don't think HA is that big of a deal for our CI cloud | 14:36 |
| bnemec | dprince: Our HA job has stability issues all by itself. | 14:36 |
| derekh | dprince: he isn't talking about our cloud | 14:37 |
| bnemec | Stuff randomly fails that has nothing to do with breakage in any other project. | 14:37 |
| pabelanger | I could see your 3rd party doing gate queue on puppet-tripleO. Just a matter of making sure everybody is onboard with it. The biggest issue I see, is if your 3rd party code is not public, it makes it hard for other projects to fix it. | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | I've noticed lot of failures are happening randomly, like timeouts etc | 14:37 |
| bnemec | There's no reason for our third-party code not to be public. | 14:37 |
| pabelanger | So, you could have your 3rd party CI stuff still on review.o.o and use the depends-on flag too | 14:37 |
| derekh | everything would be public except the HW | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | ++ | 14:38 |
| shardy | EmilienM: most of those are because we were trying to run without enough ram on the nodes | 14:38 |
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| EmilienM | shardy: that's true | 14:38 |
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| bnemec | I still see bogus failures in the HA job after adding ram and swap. | 14:38 |
| bnemec | Quite a lot of them, in fact. | 14:38 |
| weshay | w/ a smaller set of jobs, you could provide HA w/ more memory | 14:38 |
| derekh | not all our problems are down to ram | 14:38 |
| trown | if 3rd-party can -2 in the gate (with permission from the project) I don't see what we lose with 3rd party | 14:39 |
| dprince | if we go this route. Of making all our TripleO CI tests 3rd party gating I'm inclined to bail on contributing to it intirely and focus on how to get our actuall TripleO CI running on normal public cloud resources again. That can be gated on, etc. | 14:39 |
| pabelanger | trown: Agreed | 14:39 |
| dprince | split stack, etc. would move towards this I think | 14:39 |
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| shardy | dprince: as I said above, I think it's just a case of making the stack deploy on normal VMs | 14:40 |
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| shardy | that doesn't really need split stack, although I suppose that could enable more specific subsets of tests | 14:40 |
| dprince | shardy: yep, that is becoming perhaps the most important thing for us I think | 14:40 |
| derekh | dprince: so we'd just plug out the rack and use the nodpoolm groups? | 14:40 |
| dprince | derekh: yep | 14:40 |
| shardy | dprince: There are two things I ran into - we hard-code assumptions for baremetal in our image building | 14:40 |
| shardy | and we need to work around neutron networking, to enable proper connectivity back to heat | 14:40 |
| shardy | both of those are totally solveable | 14:41 |
| pabelanger | I should also note, there is ramblings of baremetal jobs in opentack-infra too. With us moving forward with infracloud and zuulv3 + ansible, I think baremetal in the gate is closer then ever | 14:41 |
| dprince | derekh: we may well have more advanced tests that require OVB. But I'd aim at eliminating as much of those as possible | 14:41 |
| pabelanger | outside what tripleO-CI does today | 14:41 |
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| derekh | dprince: I think we'd need to go hibryd, at least one job I think needs to be closer to real life w/ ironic | 14:42 |
| shardy | Yeah, we'd still need at least one job w/ironic, but we probably don't e.g need every t-h-t job to use it | 14:42 |
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| dprince | derekh: sure. That is fine I think | 14:42 |
| dprince | okay, I'd like to table this for now I think to give some time for other topics too | 14:43 |
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| dprince | derekh: cool? you got some more ideas I think :) | 14:43 |
| trown | ya seems like CI will be a hot topic in Austin... wish I would be there | 14:44 |
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| dprince | trown: hitch hike? | 14:44 |
| trown | dprince: lol, my issues are entirely of the incoming baby variety | 14:44 |
| dprince | #topic Specs | 14:44 |
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| derekh | dprince: yup, lets move on | 14:44 |
| trown | hitch-hiking would not help :) | 14:44 |
| jdob | trown: think of it as contributing to the team by breeding new developers | 14:45 |
| dprince | I'd like to skip specs this week. One quick note is after seeing trown's quickstart in action I'm +2 on his spec | 14:45 |
| trown | \o/ | 14:45 |
| weshay | nice! | 14:45 |
| dprince | any other specs before we move to open discussion stuff? | 14:45 |
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| EmilienM | the oen from michchap is also interesting | 14:46 |
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| EmilienM | #link refactor puppet spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286439/ | 14:46 |
| michchap_ | I'll abandon the spec since there's already a blueprint | 14:46 |
| EmilienM | ok | 14:46 |
| EmilienM | michchap_: I'm working on a puppet-tripleo, rebased on your patch to add Glance roles | 14:47 |
| dprince | EmilienM: yeah, I was just going w/ a specless blueprint for that | 14:47 |
| EmilienM | ack | 14:47 |
| dprince | michchap_: happy to land the spec too if it helps | 14:47 |
| michchap_ | EmilienM: cool, I'm going to set up a local ha test to try to nail down why keystone ha isn't working with the profile | 14:47 |
| dprince | #topic open discussion | 14:47 |
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| michchap_ | dprince: I don't think it's necessary | 14:47 |
| dprince | michchap_: actually I wanted to mention our progress on composable services this week | 14:47 |
| EmilienM | michchap_: dprince is also going to update | 14:47 |
| shardy | Related to specs/blueprints - I was going to suggest folks start raising blueprints of what they expect to work on in newton | 14:48 |
| michchap_ | dprince: yep | 14:48 |
| dprince | michchap_: your work on the puppet-keystone patch has been helpful in refining the interface I think | 14:48 |
| dprince | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-composable-services | 14:48 |
| EmilienM | michchap_: yeah, that's excellent work | 14:48 |
| shardy | we don't necessarily need a spec for everything, but having just a blueprint so we can derive a roadmap would be useful | 14:48 |
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| michchap_ | dprince: I was originally hoping to make my patches totally disconnected from your role patches | 14:48 |
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| shardy | I'd like to see our process be pretty lightweight, but have an easy way to track what's in-progress for the cycle | 14:49 |
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| EmilienM | shardy: ++ | 14:49 |
| michchap_ | dprince: I'm concerned we're going to drag this on for a very long time to write all the profiles. | 14:49 |
| jdob | did tripleo officially adopt the spec-lite approach? | 14:49 |
| trown | shardy: +1 | 14:49 |
| derekh | we also spoke about the lightweigt spec and agreed to use it a while back | 14:49 |
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| derekh | jdob: I thought we agreed in a meeting to use spec-lite a while back | 14:50 |
| dprince | michchap_: if we put the steps into puppet-tripleo first I think it would be fine that way | 14:50 |
| shardy | derekh: Yeah, the spec-lite bug approach used by glance | 14:50 |
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| dprince | michchap_: that way ordering isn't as much of an issue | 14:50 |
| michchap_ | dprince: ok, that means I'll use the old numbering though, so your patch won't work. | 14:50 |
| jdob | i remember it coming up, I just didn't remember that we said we'd use it | 14:50 |
| jdob | but cool, I'm glad we are, I like it | 14:50 |
| dprince | michchap_: however, one thing I would like to do first is fix the steps so they match what our heat deployments say | 14:50 |
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| shardy | that's fine too, but I'd say lets always raise a blueprint, which can then link to either a spec (big feature), spec-lite bug (smaller feature), or nothing (simple/obvious feature or refactoring) | 14:50 |
| shardy | does that sounds sane/reasonable? | 14:51 |
| EmilienM | dprince: we need to iterate service by service, I suggest we start patching puppet-tripleo first | 14:51 |
| dprince | michchap_: right now we have a mismatched step sequence because we skip the ringbuilder.pp manifests. So lets do that first, then proceed with your puppet-tripleo patches I think | 14:51 |
| EmilienM | with a THT patch + Depends-On that cleanup the code | 14:51 |
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| derekh | jdob: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/085126.html | 14:51 |
| jdob | shardy: is a blueprint+spec-lite the glance approach? I haven't been making blueprints in heat, just the spec-lites | 14:51 |
| dprince | EmilienM: yes, but with one exception which I listed above. The steps are wrong in t-h-t now. Lets fix that first | 14:51 |
| EmilienM | dprince: ok, excellent | 14:52 |
| jdob | derekh: awesome. has anyone actually done it yet? | 14:52 |
| michchap_ | dprince: can you submit that as a separate patch? | 14:52 |
| EmilienM | dprince: which ling? | 14:52 |
| EmilienM | link* | 14:52 |
| michchap_ | dprince: then I'll rebase on it | 14:52 |
| dprince | michchap_: It is this patch for now https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236243/ | 14:52 |
| EmilienM | yeah that's sounds a good plan ^ | 14:52 |
| michchap_ | dprince: that way your roles and my profiles are both working from the same base | 14:52 |
| shardy | jdob: Ah, yeah they're just wishlist bugs tagged spec-lite | 14:52 |
| dprince | michchap_: which will become much simpler when I refactor the interface | 14:52 |
| shardy | that's fine I guess provided we're consistent | 14:52 |
| shardy | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/glance/contributing/blueprints.html | 14:52 |
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| jdob | shardy: i'm not saying TripleO has to follow it to the letter, if you want to advocate for always blueprints I'm not going to object saying other teams don't do that | 14:53 |
| jdob | it was more of me wondering "Shit, have I been doing it wrong?" :) | 14:53 |
| EmilienM | dprince: why https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236243/ is not passing CI ? | 14:53 |
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| shardy | jdob: I'll look at what other projects do and propose a docs patch outlining that we do the same | 14:53 |
| jdob | i suggest adding a section to the weekly agenda to review them too | 14:53 |
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| shardy | we can debate any details on the review - I just wanted to ensure we're clear on a plan :) | 14:53 |
| jdob | so far on heat, it doesn't seem to happen regularly and i normally just tack mine on in the agenda items | 14:53 |
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| dprince | EmilienM: it did pass the non-ha job. Not sure about the HA | 14:53 |
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| michchap_ | dprince: I meant if we just patch overcloud_controller and pacemaker to include the ringbuilder change you mentioned it might make it easier for both of us to get our changes in, since they won't depend on each other at all. | 14:54 |
| jdob | but they should be small enough that a quick pass through in the weekly meeting isn't painful | 14:54 |
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| dprince | michchap_: that is what I will do as the rebase :) | 14:54 |
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| EmilienM | dprince: I don't get why we need your patch right now | 14:54 |
| michchap_ | EmilienM: it's the next step of the process, right? | 14:54 |
| EmilienM | dprince: michchap_ and I were just moving out the code | 14:54 |
| derekh | shardy: there was no objections here http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/085126.html | 14:54 |
| dprince | EmilienM: it is going to change | 14:54 |
| michchap_ | EmilienM: like what I'm saying is we just move the code, and at the same time dprince is doing the roles on the heat side. | 14:55 |
| dprince | EmilienM: patch will become including ringbuilder in the manifests and incrementing the step logic accordingly | 14:55 |
| EmilienM | ok | 14:55 |
| shardy | derekh: ack, I was just mis-remembering the spec-lite part I think, thanks | 14:55 |
| michchap_ | EmilienM: then at the end we have something much better. but we have a bit of friction right now because the steps are wrong. | 14:55 |
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| dprince | michchap_: exactly | 14:55 |
| EmilienM | dprince: so we first make 236243 passing CI, then rebasing michchap_ patch on top of it and then continue with other profiles | 14:56 |
| dprince | yes, and then the puppet-tripleo work can continue as a separate entity | 14:56 |
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| EmilienM | ok | 14:56 |
| michchap_ | dprince: actually yeah, does that mean I don't need the t-h-t patches at all? | 14:56 |
| dprince | and I can work on the Heat roles after each puppet-tripleo profile lands, etc. | 14:56 |
| michchap_ | dprince: although they are my only way to test at the moment... | 14:56 |
| EmilienM | dprince: sounds like a good plan | 14:57 |
| dprince | michchap_: two ways to go. We could cut over with my roles. | 14:57 |
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| dprince | michchap_: or you could have an interim patch which inlines your profiles into the legacy role manifests | 14:57 |
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| michchap_ | dprince: I'll -2 my t-h-t patches, but keep them so I can easily test. | 14:57 |
| dprince | michchap_: that would give you CI coverage without the heat service templates frome me | 14:57 |
| michchap_ | dprince: and abandon them once I get the profiles working | 14:58 |
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| dprince | michchap_: sure, either way. It wouldn't hurt to land those patches I think | 14:58 |
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| michchap_ | dprince: ok. I'll leave them up. | 14:58 |
| EmilienM | 1 min left guys | 14:58 |
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| * EmilienM moving to puppet meeting | 14:58 | |
| dprince | EmilienM: 2 minutes. your french time must be fast :) | 14:58 |
| michchap_ | btw there's a couple of neutron drivers trying to get included, so I want to move on to neutron profiles quickly before it gets even more messy. | 14:59 |
| EmilienM | dprince: canadian you mean? :) | 14:59 |
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| dprince | michchap_: sounds good | 14:59 |
| dprince | thanks everyone | 14:59 |
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| derekh | ttyl | 15:00 |
| dprince | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 22 15:00:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-03-22-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-03-22-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-03-22-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| tmorin | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 22 15:02:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmorin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:02 |
| tmorin | hi everyone | 15:02 |
| matrohon | hi | 15:02 |
| vthapar | hello | 15:02 |
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| tmorin | hi doude, matrohon, pcarver, timirnich, vthapar | 15:02 |
| timirnich | Hi tmoring, hi all | 15:02 |
| tmorin | here is what I have in mind for the agenda: | 15:03 |
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| tmorin | discuss gate job progress | 15:03 |
| tmorin | discuss tempest test progress | 15:03 |
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| tmorin | discuss mitaka release | 15:03 |
| pcarver | hi | 15:03 |
| tmorin | discuss precommit hooks for drivers | 15:03 |
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| vthapar | I need to step away for couple minutes, brb. | 15:05 |
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| tmorin | #topic mitaka release | 15:06 |
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| tmorin | we've looked at what is the right thing to do for mitaka release | 15:07 |
| tmorin | we don't want to run into the same issues we had for liberty | 15:07 |
| tmorin | issues that were due to the fact that there was a long time window where our master branch was intended to be run against neutron stable/liberty branch | 15:08 |
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| tmorin | which brings me to the conclusion: we tend to think we should branch-out and release a mitaka branch very closely after neutron forks for mitaka | 15:08 |
| tmorin | for your information, neutron has already forked a stable/mitaka branch and neutron's master is already targetting newton | 15:09 |
| tmorin | so the plan is to close very early our mitaka branch | 15:09 |
| tmorin | many things that we have in mind but we haven't started will have to wait for openstack neutron | 15:10 |
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| tmorin | opinions? | 15:10 |
| tmorin | doude, pcarver, timirnich, vthapar ^^^ ? | 15:10 |
| tmorin | matrohon: agree with my summary ? | 15:10 |
| timirnich | I think that is a very reasonable approach | 15:10 |
| matrohon | tmorin : totally! | 15:10 |
| vthapar | +1 | 15:11 |
| matrohon | the only thing that we'd like to merge for mitaka is the precommit feature | 15:11 |
| matrohon | asked by ODL | 15:11 |
| pcarver | it sounds ok, but I honestly don't really have a good understanding of the issues | 15:11 |
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| matrohon | but this highly depends on the ability of ODL folks to patch their driver accodingly, and fatsly | 15:12 |
| tmorin | one implication is the following:: | 15:12 |
| vthapar | matrohon, what date are we targeting? | 15:12 |
| tmorin | there is no process for doing intermediate releases introducing siginficant feature | 15:13 |
| tmorin | except if we abuse the "stable/*" expectations | 15:13 |
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| tmorin | so the implication is that significant new features would posssibly only be available with Openstack Newton | 15:13 |
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| timirnich | question for clarification: is your assumption that current master basically contains what we intend to release for Mitaka? | 15:14 |
| tmorin | except if the world around us buys the idea that noone yet has "stable"-grade expectation against our stable/* branches | 15:14 |
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| tmorin | timirnich: yes, roughly, except the precommit change currently merged but which we may extend to associations | 15:15 |
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| matrohon | vthapar, as tmorin said, neutron already forked it stable branch, so ASAP ! | 15:15 |
| tmorin | we might create a backport/liberty branch additionally to stable/liberty in which we could backport the work on new feature done in our master-newton branch | 15:15 |
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| tmorin | vthapar: yes, ASAP, I'd say first week of April | 15:16 |
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| timirnich | ok thanks. Let me add one facet: OPNFV SDN VPN will deliver scenario fixes into Brahmaputra.3.0 since we missed the first stable release by a few days | 15:16 |
| matrohon | vthapar, does it sound reasonnable to you ? | 15:16 |
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| vthapar | tmorin, matrohon, good enough. I'm targeting to finish by next Tuesday. we have a long weekend in India this week else would've done it by this weekend. | 15:17 |
| timirnich | On the other hand (thinking aloud) we are consuming stable/liberty AFAIK | 15:17 |
| timirnich | so should not make a difference | 15:17 |
| tmorin | timirnich: no, indeed, for B* that does not change anything | 15:18 |
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| tmorin | timirnich: but it will might make a difference for Colorado | 15:18 |
| matrohon | vthapar, fine let's target next tuesday for our mitaka release | 15:18 |
| tmorin | tmorin: everyone: Colorado is codename for next OPNFV release | 15:18 |
| timirnich | tmorin: yes. I expect Colorado to be based on Mitaka at least for some installers | 15:19 |
| timirnich | So we need a stable Mitaka branch early on. | 15:19 |
| timirnich | does not need to be release though | 15:19 |
| tmorin | matrohon: there is one bagpipe driver bug that I'd like to fix, but since it's a bug, the mitaka release does not have to wait for it, it can be backported to mitaka branch slightly after | 15:19 |
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| matrohon | actually, as tmorin explained, there is no big deal, until neutron folks introduce some changes in neutron, that makes our gate failing :( | 15:19 |
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| tmorin | timirnich: the implication then is that new things (e.g. static routes, Horizon UI, ...) will not be in Mitaka and thus not in Colorado | 15:22 |
| tmorin | I think it's good | 15:22 |
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| tmorin | much better than saying "lets wait for feature X, Y Z" and pay the high price of working on delayed branches | 15:23 |
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| timirnich | Is there a wiki page showing the expected delta between stable/liberty and stable/mitaka based on the assumption of branching soon? | 15:23 |
| tmorin | for net-bgpvpn ? | 15:23 |
| tmorin | no wiki page | 15:24 |
| timirnich | Would be good if I had such reference to point to from Colorado planning perspective | 15:24 |
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| matrohon | let's move on? | 15:29 |
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| matrohon | tmorin seems offline | 15:31 |
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| matrohon | #topic : gate changes | 15:31 |
| matrohon | we slightly modified our gate strategy | 15:31 |
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| matrohon | now, we can control the behavior of our gate jobs through rc files in the bgpvpn repo | 15:32 |
| matrohon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/291103/ | 15:32 |
| matrohon | I just tried to enable tempest test with bgpvpn, but it's failing | 15:33 |
| matrohon | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295849/ | 15:33 |
| matrohon | I need to investigate | 15:33 |
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| matrohon | we will now be able to modify those jobs without having to modify project-config repo | 15:35 |
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| matrohon | pcarver, timirnich, vthapar : I am alone on the meeting? | 15:36 |
| pcarver | matrohon: sorry, I'm in two meetings simultaneously | 15:36 |
| timirnich | nope sorry two meetings in parallel :-) | 15:36 |
| vthapar | matrohon, am around, multitasking. | 15:36 |
| matrohon | pcarver, timirnich : ok, I just noticed that tmorin was out, but I was wondering if the issue was on my side | 15:37 |
| matrohon | vthapar, np | 15:37 |
| tmorin | I'm back | 15:37 |
| tmorin | sorry | 15:37 |
| tmorin | so we think these gate changes will allow us to improve our jobs much faster now | 15:38 |
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| tmorin | without depending on infra folks to review all our changes | 15:38 |
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| tmorin | next topic ? | 15:39 |
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| tmorin | #topic tempest tests | 15:39 |
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| tmorin | not much to day | 15:39 |
| tmorin | say | 15:39 |
| tmorin | there were two updates by enikher | 15:40 |
| tmorin | one to update how we import tempest | 15:40 |
| tmorin | and an additional tempest test | 15:40 |
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| tmorin | once our gate job will be more interesting, we'll have a strong motivation to enrigh the tempest tests | 15:40 |
| tmorin | comments ? | 15:41 |
| timirnich | Niko said he'll occasionally add more tests whenever he gets bored with other stuff ;-) | 15:41 |
| matrohon | I'd love to have a scenario test | 15:41 |
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| timirnich | matrohon can u elaborate a bit pls? | 15:42 |
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| matrohon | timirnich, a test that create a bgpvpn, attach a net and delete the bgpvpn would be a good start | 15:42 |
| matrohon | timirnich, we should be able to run this test on every driver | 15:43 |
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| tmorin | enikher was saying it shouldn't be hard to have a test to verify connectivity between two VMs on different nets, via a BGPVPN | 15:43 |
| timirnich | ok understand. Reason why I was asking is that I'd like to get some sync with Temptest and OPNFV Yardstick test scopes in place | 15:44 |
| tmorin | matrohon: this assume we can instantiate every SDN controller in the gate | 15:44 |
| matrohon | those test could be run outside the gate | 15:44 |
| tmorin | matrohon: maybe not so easy for contrail, don't know about ODL | 15:44 |
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| timirnich | probably not trivial for ODL either | 15:45 |
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| tmorin | matrohon: yes, these tempest test will also typically be run in an OPNFV context, additionally to what Yardstick will do | 15:45 |
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| tmorin | timirnich: yes, the question of what to do in Yardstick is interesting | 15:46 |
| matrohon | timirnich, it would make sense t colaborate with what going on at OPNFV to have relevant tests directly inside the bgpvpn repo | 15:46 |
| tmorin | timirnich: for the things that we would like to run in Openstack gate, we'll certainly prefer tempest | 15:46 |
| tmorin | timirnich: we need to find the other things for which Yardstick will make more sense | 15:46 |
| timirnich | yes let's engineer test scope so that we get most bang for buck. COmplicated setups are easier in OPNFV | 15:46 |
| tmorin | timirnich: maybe the test involving performance questions | 15:47 |
| tmorin | timirnich: or test involving a router stack to be instantiated in a VM | 15:47 |
| timirnich | tmorin yes that definitely but using the OPNFV deployment tools to set up more complicated SUT configs is another thing to consider | 15:47 |
| timirnich | since we'd be reinventing the wheel if we do those in Tempest | 15:48 |
| timirnich | unless it's low hanging fruit | 15:48 |
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| tmorin | timirnich: yes, tempest's will focus on (a) driver-independent tests and (b) test that involve a driver which is easily run in the gate (today, bagpipe only) | 15:49 |
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| timirnich | would be good if we had a way to test the driver without the actual backend - is that possible? | 15:49 |
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| tmorin | timirnich: for these two kind of setups, there isn't much to do in the direction of "more complicated SUT configs" | 15:50 |
| timirnich | like in ODL case checking the REST calls that get pushed down to ODL NBI | 15:50 |
| tmorin | timirnich: good question | 15:50 |
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| tmorin | timirnich: ODL driver could I guess be designed to say act like if there was a real ODL behind it, and say "yes sir" to everything | 15:50 |
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| tmorin | tmorin: but we wouldn't test anything interesting that what the dummy driver tests, I think | 15:51 |
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| tmorin | timirnich: yes, checking the calls might make sense | 15:51 |
| timirnich | I was more thinking of checking if the driver translates the calls correctly to what is expected on the controller northbound | 15:51 |
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| tmorin | timirnich: but the unit tests pretty much already do that | 15:51 |
| tmorin | timirnich: yes | 15:51 |
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| timirnich | ok if we have that in unit tests we're fine | 15:52 |
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| tmorin | timirnich: this is not undoable, you would have to run a small rest server in the API, mocking the basic stuff and checking the rest calls from the driver | 15:53 |
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| tmorin | yes | 15:53 |
| tmorin | next topic ? | 15:53 |
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| timirnich | ok | 15:53 |
| tmorin | #topic precommit hooks | 15:53 |
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| tmorin | we've just merged the precommit hooks for bgpvpn create/update | 15:53 |
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| tmorin | next steps: support same hooks for association create/update | 15:54 |
| tmorin | and then use these hooks in drivers | 15:54 |
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| tmorin | ODL is the first asking for that | 15:54 |
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| tmorin | but the bagpipe driver will also use it (for RDs, and type l2 BGPVPNs) | 15:54 |
| tmorin | vthapar: anything to add ? | 15:54 |
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| tmorin | vthapar, you explained that you needed the precommit hooks for associations as well | 15:55 |
| vthapar | tmorin, precommits for associations. | 15:55 |
| matrohon | I'll add it asap | 15:55 |
| tmorin | to prevent multiple associations for a network or router | 15:55 |
| vthapar | tmorin, yes | 15:55 |
| tmorin | that makes sense | 15:55 |
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| vthapar | I've started working on driver changes for update/create. will push for review once resolve some dev setup issues. | 15:56 |
| matrohon | vthapar, great | 15:56 |
| tmorin | +1 | 15:56 |
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| tmorin | anything else to discuss ? | 15:58 |
| tmorin | #topic open (very short) discussion | 15:58 |
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| tmorin | we only have 2 mins left | 15:58 |
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| tmorin | ok, looks like we're done | 16:00 |
| tmorin | thanks everyone | 16:00 |
| matrohon | thanks | 16:00 |
| tmorin | that was a very useful meeting | 16:00 |
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| tmorin | by everyone | 16:00 |
| tmorin | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 22 16:01:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-03-22-15.02.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-03-22-15.02.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-03-22-15.02.log.html | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | #startmeeting containers | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 22 16:01:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adrian_otto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-03-22_1600_UTC Our Agenda | 16:01 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
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| adrian_otto | Adrian Otto | 16:01 |
| coreyob | Corey O'Brien | 16:01 |
| muralia | murali allada | 16:01 |
| jward | John Ward | 16:01 |
| Tango | Ton Ngo | 16:01 |
| dane_leblanc | o/ | 16:01 |
| hongbin | o/ | 16:02 |
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| rpothier | o/ | 16:02 |
| tcammann | hello | 16:02 |
| levi_b | Levi Blackstone | 16:02 |
| juggler | Perry Rivera | 16:02 |
| eghobo | o/ | 16:02 |
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| adrian_otto | hello coreyob muralia jward Tango dane_leblanc hongbin rpothier tcammann levi_b juggler and eghobo | 16:02 |
| muralia | hi everyone | 16:03 |
| juggler | hello | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:03 | |
| adrian_otto | 1) stable/mitaka Branches have been cut for magnum and python-magnumclient last week | 16:03 |
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| madhuri | o/ | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | bugs are still allowed, but new features require an FFE | 16:03 |
| adrian_otto | note that we are also in string freeze, so if you are changing strings, we should discuss your patches | 16:04 |
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| adrian_otto | I have not yet cut a branch for magnum-ui as someone asked me to hold off to get some things merged | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | I'm planning on branching it this week | 16:04 |
| adrian_otto | let me know if there is any good reason to delay | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | 2) New networking features are available in experimental docker branch | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://github.com/docker/docker/blob/master/experimental/vlan-networks.md documentation | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/content_link/o3RUvDMDJfOnKQ2MEosboPkqluNMvJZnhAp6bd2UKoxH7lDvVgi0vQ37DTBkS6Ry/file?dl=1 blog post preview | 16:05 |
| adrian_otto | #link http://www.slideshare.net/bbsali0/docker-networking-with-new-ipvlan-and-macvlan-drivers slides | 16:05 |
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| adrian_otto | these are interesting features because they do not involve tunneled overlays | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | We should look into this as a team and see if it makes sense to explore exposing any of these in the Docker Swarm bay. | 16:06 |
| adrian_otto | at least as a non-default alternate | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | has anyone looked at this yet? | 16:06 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, we can revisit this once you've had a chance to look at it | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | 3) PTL Elections are open, and Magnum is having an election. | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | If you made a commit to any of the magnum related projects during the Mitaka release cycle, you may cast a vote for PTL. Check your inbox for a message with subject "Poll: The OpenStack Magnum PTL Election" to vote. | 16:07 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Review Action Items | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | 1) adrian_otto to start an ML thread about Magnum functional gate tests taking forever to execute in OpenStack CI. | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | Status: Abandoned due to lack of recent examples to cite. | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | Let me know if you notice this symptom come back again, and I would be happy to revisit this. | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | has anyone notices this as an issue in the past week? | 16:08 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Blueprint/Bug Review | 16:09 |
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| adrian_otto | any work items (blueprints, bugs, reviews) requiring team discussion today (not the certificate storage one, that is next on the agenda)? | 16:10 |
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| adrian_otto | did I lose you all in announcements? | 16:10 |
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| Tango | :) | 16:11 |
| juggler | here :) | 16:11 |
| coreyob | :) | 16:11 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, you are just a quiet bunch today | 16:12 |
| hongbin | :) | 16:12 |
| Tango | coffee hasn't kicked in yet | 16:12 |
| juggler | ^ | 16:12 |
| muralia | :) | 16:12 |
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| adrian_otto | #topic Discussion of certificate storage | 16:12 |
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| adrian_otto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-barbican-alternative Etherpad summarizing the concern and a variety of options to address it | 16:12 |
| adrian_otto | Please record your comments in the etherpad, and we can discuss it here a bit too. | 16:12 |
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| tcammann | Not sure how Anchor solves any of these problems | 16:15 |
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| adrian_otto | Anchor would make sense in the context of a Barbican based solution | 16:15 |
| Tango | We should list use cases | 16:15 |
| tcammann | It would be another component that a typical cloud doesn't contain | 16:15 |
| adrian_otto | Tango ++ | 16:15 |
| tcammann | The simple solution to the problem is just store the private certs in the db | 16:16 |
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| tcammann | problem solved with the caveat it is not secure | 16:16 |
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| madhuri | And we have that already in Magnum | 16:16 |
| madhuri | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/1551838 | 16:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1551838 in Magnum "magnum local_cert_manager doesn't use x509keypair model" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to Madhuri Kumari (madhuri-rai07) | 16:16 |
| adrian_otto | what I do have is three examples of teams that have picked up Magnum, want to use it, find that Barbican is a requirement, and then put Magnum back down again. | 16:16 |
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| madhuri | We have x59keypair for it | 16:16 |
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| madhuri | It was long discussed that we are not making Barbican any hard dependency in Magnum | 16:17 |
| tcammann | madhuri: yes we should use that. I'm not sure why we used local cert storage over the db | 16:17 |
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| madhuri | So we have another option i.e store certs in Magnum DB | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | I have one example of a team who has used the local cert storage option, accepting the security drawbacks of that appraoach | 16:17 |
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| tcammann | local cert storage doesn't scale > 1 conductor | 16:17 |
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| adrian_otto | madhuri: I have been allergic to that in the past, and I"m willing to list it as an option, but I will continue to argue against that, as it's just a weak model. | 16:18 |
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| redrobot | adrian_otto I'm curious to learn the specifics behind the team's opposition to deployin Barbican... | 16:18 |
| redrobot | adrian_otto but I guess that's a topic for another meeting... | 16:18 |
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| * redrobot does not want to derail conversation. | 16:18 | |
| tcammann | It isn't our objection it is the objection of operators | 16:18 |
| rm_work | Probably that is my fault ^^ as the Magnum team had Octavia's cert manager as an example, which had a demo "local storage" solution (though we did not use it and ended up deleting it) | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | I am interested in that as well, redrobot, but we must address the reality that this is an adoption inhibitor | 16:19 |
| redrobot | tcammann understood... but I would like to understand the why. | 16:19 |
| rm_work | It looks like the current cert_manager code is based off the Octavia/LBaaS example | 16:19 |
| madhuri | rm_work: Correct | 16:19 |
| adrian_otto | one thing we could see about is maybe deploying a bay that runs a barbican that is set up with SoftHSM or something, so that it's there by default, and maybe you can switch to using your own if you have one? | 16:20 |
| tcammann | adrian_otto: no | 16:20 |
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| adrian_otto | tcammann: ok, why? | 16:21 |
| madhuri | redrobot: It is not that we don't want to use Barbican. It is just that we don't want to make any hard dependency over it. | 16:21 |
| tcammann | that's not our job. | 16:21 |
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| hongbin | IMO, we need an in-tree alternative for Barbican | 16:21 |
| adrian_otto | tcammann: please elaborate | 16:21 |
| rm_work | Barbican actually deploys easily already with an insecure storage backend, which is not any worse than doing your own storage in DB/filesystem I think >_> | 16:21 |
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| tcammann | We are containers. We don't want to take on the burden of deploying another service | 16:21 |
| tcammann | wouldn't we need keystone also | 16:22 |
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| rm_work | LBaaS made the choice to require a Barbican deployment for TLS support, but I guess it is not a *hard requirement* for our basic service, so that is a little different | 16:22 |
| hongbin | tcammann: +1 | 16:22 |
| adrian_otto | Each of the clouds who want to adopt Magnum all have keystone v3 available, in spite of comments made in the ML thread. | 16:23 |
| tcammann | it's going to be a huge amount of work to setup a seperate "service" bay which doesn't run in user space and connects to Magnum and keystone | 16:23 |
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| adrian_otto | so that's why I approved an implementation based on KEystone credential store as a barbican alternative (non default, with warnings) | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/barbican-alternative-store | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | I think this will be a relatively small amount of code in Magnum | 16:23 |
| adrian_otto | and should address the adoption inhibitor concern | 16:24 |
| tcammann | aslong as we don't have to deploy keystone adrian_otto :P | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | and for cloud operators who get serious about hosting containers will use Barbican | 16:24 |
| adrian_otto | tcammann: yes, that's the idea | 16:24 |
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| hongbin | Folks, how about the idea of implementing an additional authentication backend (in parallel with TLS) | 16:26 |
| tcammann | barbican > keystone > db > local storage | 16:26 |
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| adrian_otto | tcammann: agreed | 16:26 |
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| redrobot | it should be noted that the Keystone team does not recommend using the credential store in that way for this blueprint. | 16:26 |
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| hongbin | tcammann: I think the direction of storing secrets in places other than Barbican will get a lot of disagreement from the OpenStack community | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | redrobot: it's still better than an in-magnum-db solution | 16:27 |
| adrian_otto | because we can use an existing service API | 16:27 |
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| hongbin | tcammann: We don't want to proceed with the direction the community is not happy with | 16:27 |
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| hongbin | tcammann: Also, there is also an problem to getting the security tag | 16:28 |
| adrian_otto | it would be cool if the keystone credential store had an option to back-end on barbican (hint, hint) | 16:28 |
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| tcammann | hongbin: we are specifically not recommending operators do this, but we allow it for operators to preview our service with less of a burden | 16:28 |
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| hongbin | tcammann: Yes, I proposed that in the ML before. There are a lot of disagreements .... | 16:29 |
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| madhuri | tcammann: IMO it is not good to use keystone now when we reluctant to use Barbican which is specifically designed for key storage | 16:29 |
| madhuri | hongbin: +1 | 16:29 |
| tcammann | If we have a secure option we can still get a security tag | 16:29 |
| hongbin | true | 16:29 |
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| tcammann | Anything controversial will get disagreements on the ML | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | hongbin: I am willing to argue this with the TC, that having an option that uses keystone using reasonable methods for data encryption, and accompanying that with warnings that the security tag relates to recommended use of Magnum, and that using the keystone option is not recommended, but available for evaluation purposes. | 16:30 |
| rm_work | Yes, I do not quite understand the opposition to using Barbican, it is a very simple deployment for preview | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | we will label the option in the config file accordingly | 16:30 |
| rm_work | we do it in our gate (!) with no issues | 16:30 |
| adrian_otto | just like you can use SSL with a clear cipher, stupid | 16:30 |
| dstanek | adrian_otto: using barbican as a backend was mentioned at some point, but i don't think it's on anybody's roadmap | 16:31 |
| tcammann | or use --disable-tls!! | 16:31 |
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| tcammann | This isn't a discussion on baribcan this is a discussion on giving Operators an alternative | 16:31 |
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| redrobot | tcammann I've heard plenty of arguments for an alternative... but they're usually using some existing alternative, not trying to develop a new one. | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | right, and I agree it's worth having an alternative as long as we provide guidance for appropriate use that is clear and present at the time/place you select an alternative. | 16:32 |
| Tango | "Battery included but replaceable" | 16:33 |
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| hongbin | Tango: +1 | 16:33 |
| tcammann | We already have an alternative but it only scales to 1 conductor node. | 16:33 |
| tcammann | If we just fix that to use db rather than local storage, then we have an easy fix and an alternative that scales | 16:34 |
| adrian_otto | the BP I mentioned above would allow for scale out beyond a single conductor | 16:34 |
| tcammann | with exactly the same caveats as local storage | 16:34 |
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| adrian_otto | right | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | minus one | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | it allows for encryption at rest | 16:35 |
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| adrian_otto | which we could also do for local file storage once we have the code for the credential store solution | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | which we already mentioned we could forklift from heat, and propose for oslo | 16:36 |
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| hongbin | WFM, as long as the proposal goes through TC/security/.... | 16:37 |
| adrian_otto | in the Elimination of certificates section, Hongbin offered a set of alternatives that would allow a totally different approach. If there are no cert files, then our certificate storage problem vanishes | 16:38 |
| redrobot | dumb question: you guys are not actually wanting to provision the certs from barbican? just store/retrieve of the certs? | 16:38 |
| tcammann | redrobot: just store | 16:38 |
| tcammann | and retrieve | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | redrobot: right, this is just about the cert storage | 16:38 |
| redrobot | have you considered Castellan? it's basically oslo.key_manager | 16:38 |
| hongbin | redrobot: The problem of Castellan is that it has only one backend: Barbican | 16:39 |
| adrian_otto | #link https://github.com/openstack/castellan Castellan | 16:39 |
| redrobot | hongbin yeah, but since you're planning on developing new code, why not develop it as a Castellan implementation? | 16:39 |
| redrobot | hongbin other projects would benefit from it. | 16:39 |
| redrobot | hongbin and a KMIP implementation is in the works. | 16:40 |
| rm_work | Also, Castellan does not include Certificate storage I think? Unless you are just saying to store them as keys <_< | 16:40 |
| redrobot | rm_work Castellan does provide a facility to store certificates. The only thing it does not provide is a way to provision certs. | 16:40 |
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| adrian_otto | redrobot: so Castellan can work without Barbican? | 16:41 |
| rm_work | redrobot: when did that happen? that is what I was pushing for but got consistently rejected | 16:41 |
| hongbin | If we have to develop a cert storage solution, I prefer to start it from Magnum tree and move it to Castellan later | 16:41 |
| hongbin | That allows faster development | 16:41 |
| redrobot | rm_work cert store/retrieve has always been in scope for Castellan. our understanding was that you were pushing for Cert provisioning. | 16:41 |
| redrobot | adrian_otto yes. Castellan was created to consolidate key_manager interfaces from Cinder and Nova | 16:42 |
| rm_work | redrobot: lol no, we discussed at length, I had two separate things, one for storage/retrieval and one for provisioning, BOTH got rejected, and it was especially noted that the storage/retrieval did not grant useful function without inclusion of provisioning, and you did not want to include provisioning >_< | 16:42 |
| rm_work | but we can talk about this any time out-of-band >_> not a topic for here | 16:43 |
| redrobot | adrian_otto we've been hearing the concern about wanting a secure key store, but also not wanting to deploy Barbican basically since the project started. | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | "the project" == Castellan ? | 16:44 |
| redrobot | adrian_otto since barbican started | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | oh, from projects like Nova, etc? | 16:44 |
| redrobot | adrian_otto yes... also Swift has Castellan integration on their roadmap | 16:45 |
| redrobot | adrian_otto we tried to make it an oslo lib, but the oslo team was not interested in maintaining it | 16:46 |
| hongbin | redrobot: do you know why? | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | redrobot: ok, so if I understand your response correctly, Castellan can be used without Barbican, and we could use that instead of Keysone. If we did that, where would our certs live? In the Magnum database? They would be encrypted at rest if we did that? | 16:46 |
| rm_work | Castellan is a lib | 16:46 |
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| rm_work | which provides a layer of abstraction for storage | 16:46 |
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| rm_work | the backend would be .... whatever you want, so, it could be keystone or DB or whatever | 16:47 |
| rm_work | but it allows switching backend easily as a driver | 16:47 |
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| rm_work | THOUGH this is basically already done in-tree with https://github.com/openstack/magnum/blob/master/magnum/common/cert_manager/cert_manager.py following the octavia model | 16:47 |
| rm_work | (I tried to get this code added to Castellan previously but it was rejected) | 16:47 |
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| redrobot | in theory it could be anything... in practice we have three implementations with varying degrees of maturity. The most mature is the Barbican implementation (YOUR PROJECT->Castellan->Barbican), but also planned are an insecure-probably-not-for-production software only solution, as well as a KMIP impl (YOUR PROJECT->Castellan->KMIP device) | 16:49 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, I think we have a good set of options to think over | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | let's wrap up on this topic, and advance to open discussion | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | any parting thoughts on this one? | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | #topic Open Discussion | 16:51 |
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| madhuri | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269250/ | 16:52 |
| madhuri | Murano now have Magnum app to deploy different COE clusters | 16:52 |
| adrian_otto | sweet! | 16:53 |
| juggler | +1 madhuri | 16:54 |
| madhuri | Thanks! | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | This is really awesome, Madhuri. Thanks so much for leading this. | 16:55 |
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| madhuri | Thanks adrian_otto :) | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | Now you ahve a really interesting story to tell in your Summit talk coming up in Austin. | 16:55 |
| madhuri | Yes I do :) | 16:56 |
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| yolanda | so from my side, i did some fixes in magnum tests to allow to run with different images, i uploaded one image to fedorapeople | 16:58 |
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| yolanda | however i'm hitting some bugs in the kubernetes api tests, and i haven't discovered the root cause | 16:58 |
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| Tango | yolanda: I tried out that image and Kubernetes seems to work fine | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | thanks for your work on that, yolanda. I marked one of your patches for merge. | 16:59 |
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| yolanda | Tango i also tried mine on devstack and looked good. But is not passing functional testing | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | We are approaching our scheduled time slot. Our next meeting will be 2016-03-29 at 1600 UTC. | 16:59 |
| yolanda | #link http://logs.openstack.org/68/294468/1/check/gate-functional-dsvm-magnum-k8s-dib-nv/81ddbbe/console.html | 16:59 |
| Tango | yolanda: I can follow up with you on the problem with the API problem | 16:59 |
| yolanda | that's error i'm getting | 16:59 |
| adrian_otto | thanks everyone for attending today. | 16:59 |
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| adrian_otto | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 22 17:00:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| juggler | ty adrian for coordinating! | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-03-22-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-03-22-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-03-22-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| sergmelikyan | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 22 17:00:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sergmelikyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | o/ | 17:01 |
| freerunner | \o/ | 17:01 |
| ddovbii | o/ | 17:01 |
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| Nikolay_St | o/ | 17:01 |
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| tlashchova | o/ | 17:02 |
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| sergmelikyan | hi folks :) | 17:03 |
| sergmelikyan | Looks like this is last meeting with me as a chair? :) | 17:03 |
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| ativelkov | o/ | 17:04 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I can always #addchair you =P | 17:04 |
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| Nikolay_St | hah | 17:05 |
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| sergmelikyan | :D | 17:06 |
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| sergmelikyan | #topic Action Items Review | 17:08 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Don't think we had any =) prev time we only had status updates | 17:08 |
| sergmelikyan | right ) | 17:09 |
| sergmelikyan | I should've checked before changing topic ) | 17:09 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Status Updates (RC1, RC2) | 17:09 |
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| sergmelikyan | we have RC1 release and branches created, right? ) | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so we had RC1 tagged yesterday | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | and stable/mitaka branch is already cut | 17:10 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | We already have a couple of commits to backport to stable/mitaka meaning — we would most likely have to release RC2 somewhere next week | 17:10 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | and we agreed to have RC2 for our i18n folks anyway ) | 17:10 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Mitaka Release will be Apr 4-8 | 17:11 |
| sergmelikyan | I also propose to merge docs commits too to stable/mitaka | 17:11 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | RC2 will be tagged around Mar 28-1, I think | 17:12 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: I have no objections to merge docs to s/mitaka. we did that during liberty release cycle and I even asked release team — everyone is fine with it | 17:12 |
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| sergmelikyan | good, we have several things that would be nice to have in stable/mitaka | 17:13 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | no more updates from my side | 17:13 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: which ones? | 17:13 |
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| sergmelikyan | glare docs - https://review.openstack.org/295762 | 17:14 |
| sergmelikyan | I was talking about docs changes | 17:14 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Suggestion to adopt single +2 +A policy for translations bot's commits | 17:14 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sure | 17:15 |
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| sergmelikyan | +1 I totally agree! | 17:15 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | this one was suggested by AJaegar, I think. | 17:15 |
| kzaitsev_mb | i18n team needs to see results and the commits do not affect code | 17:15 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | so I'm +1 on the idea | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_mb | any objections, folks? | 17:16 |
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| ksnihyr | no | 17:16 |
| ativelkov | +1 | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_mb | ok then, I think we can say that we agree =) | 17:16 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #agreed to adopt single +2 +A policy for translations bot's commits | 17:17 |
| sergmelikyan | #topic Suggestion to adopt single +2 +A policy for requirements bot's commits | 17:17 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | this one is a bit trickier | 17:17 |
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| sergmelikyan | why? | 17:17 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | requirements do affect the code | 17:18 |
| sergmelikyan | given that all tests are passing I suggest to follow same rule | 17:18 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so there might be some concerns here | 17:18 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | although I don't really think that there can be a situation, when someone would block (-1/-2) such a commit for some reason | 17:18 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | So I'd rather say, that I'm +1 on this one | 17:19 |
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| ativelkov | Well, usually there is nothing to review there | 17:20 |
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| ativelkov | so, +1 from me as well | 17:20 |
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| slagun | +1 | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | cool, I think we can agree here too ) | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #agreed to adopt single +2 +A policy for requirements bot's commits | 17:21 |
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| freerunner | #agreed as well ;) | 17:21 |
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| sergmelikyan | #topic Suggestion to have regular (i.e every first Tuesday of month) agenda point for backport bug triaging | 17:22 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | freerunner: this will be shown as a separate point on logs, be a bit carefull with that one. | 17:22 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: can you elaborate on this? don't really got the topic | 17:23 |
| freerunner | kzaitsev_mb: damn. sorry. extra hashtag here.. | 17:23 |
| kzaitsev_mb | last topic from me. I've been working on making a formal document (or a wiki page) that would describe how we manage backports for murano | 17:23 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I'll be finishing it shortly, this week I hope =) | 17:24 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | the point is — someone needs to tag bugs with ***backport-potential tags and/or nominate them for series | 17:24 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I suggest, taht we would do it on regular basis in IRC | 17:25 |
| kzaitsev_mb | as part of our weekly meeting | 17:25 |
| kzaitsev_mb | but not on weekly basis, but rather once a month | 17:25 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Like — every 1st meeting of the month would have an agenda item called (Triaging new stable-branch bugs/backports) | 17:26 |
| kzaitsev_mb | what do you think of the idea? | 17:26 |
| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: sounds good, but can be it'll be better to do it twice a month? | 17:26 |
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| sergmelikyan | I think this is helpful, but I believe we also need a person who will do this on regular basis each day, and monthly we can approve them on the meeting | 17:27 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: I'm not entirelly sure about the format =) every odd tuesday sounds ok to me too ) | 17:27 |
| kzaitsev_mb | although a bit more complicated (= | 17:28 |
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| slagun | we can add it to weekly agenda but skip it if there's nothing to discuss | 17:28 |
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| Nikolay_St | or if we have too packed agenda | 17:28 |
| Nikolay_St | but not rarely than once a month | 17:29 |
| Nikolay_St | also sergmelikyan has a good idea about everyday duty | 17:29 |
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| Nikolay_St | but I don't remember formal criteria for backport-potential bugs | 17:29 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: and that person has to be core, but our cores are usually busy | 17:30 |
| slagun | kzaitsev_mb: why does he has to be core? | 17:30 |
| kzaitsev_mb | So I'd like to have a regular meeting, when most of us can help that person ) | 17:30 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | slagun: at least one of the drivers for murano. To be able to nominate bugs correctly | 17:31 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I generally see that there are no objections to the idea iether. | 17:32 |
| slagun | kzaitsev_mb: I think it is a good opportunity for newbies to get more involved into the project. Because you have to understand what those bugs are about | 17:32 |
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| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_mb: I guess that if we will collect formal criterias it will be an "easy" job | 17:32 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I suggest we start doing this and see where it goes (= | 17:32 |
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| slagun | kzaitsev_mb: it is a matter of permissions. We can always grant them | 17:32 |
| kzaitsev_mb | slagun: sounds fair | 17:33 |
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| sergmelikyan | and criteria is simple: critical + security bugs | 17:34 |
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| sergmelikyan | by the way this is related to the stable-maintanance team | 17:34 |
| sergmelikyan | discussion in mailing list | 17:34 |
| kzaitsev_mb | sergmelikyan: well, since we're not core project and not yet managed — we're the onces who manage our stable branches | 17:35 |
| slagun | if they can be backported. e.g. you need to understand first when it was introduced and what will it take to backport it. | 17:35 |
| sergmelikyan | kzaitsev_mb: right, but I was talked about following practices adopted for the core projects | 17:36 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | slagun: sounds fair, yes =) I know that you've been mostly doing this job. Let's see if we can offload this duty off you. =) probably we would have someone volounteer =) I'll ask around | 17:37 |
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| sergmelikyan | let's wrap up this topic? | 17:38 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok. to wrap up — let's try having a be-weekly agnda point for triaging/tagging bugs suitable for backports, and let's see if anyone of our newfound contributors would want to volounteer for a regular tagging duty ) | 17:38 |
| kzaitsev_mb | and let's see where this leads us =) | 17:38 |
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| sergmelikyan | #agreed to have bi-weekly agenda for triagging/tagging bugs | 17:39 |
| sergmelikyan | #undo | 17:39 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Agreed object at 0x9fc1f90> | 17:39 |
| sergmelikyan | #agreed to have bi-weekly agenda for triagging/tagging bugs suitable for backports | 17:39 |
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| sergmelikyan | #topic Upgrading murano-apps (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292889/) Pros & Cons | 17:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Upgrading murano-apps (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292889/) Pros & Cons (Meeting topic: murano)" | 17:40 | |
| kzaitsev_mb | ddovbii: can you please cover your points on this commit/bp | 17:40 |
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| ddovbii | well, i tried to provide our Simple Software configuration feature. But it seems to me that provided behavior looks weird | 17:41 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I'm opposed to the current commit because 1) it makes the app slower (instead of 1 exec plan we're sending multiple) 2) it feels like an ugly hack to 1st put the file to /tmp and then run a command, that executes it | 17:41 |
| ativelkov | +1 to kzaitsev_mb. The problem with the "new" notation here is that it actually does not look cleaner | 17:42 |
| sergmelikyan | strongly agree with point #2 | 17:42 |
| ativelkov | I believe that the "simple sofware configuration" is a step in a right direction | 17:43 |
| ativelkov | But we are not there yet, it is not simple yet | 17:43 |
| kzaitsev_mb | on the other hand. not having these giant execution plans feels a lot easier to develop the apps with this approach for newcomers | 17:43 |
| ddovbii | maybe if we had one more method like runScript it would look better | 17:43 |
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| slagun | there's no need to put file in /tmp first | 17:43 |
| sergmelikyan | slagun: ? | 17:44 |
| slagun | conf:Linux.runCommand($instance.agent, $myScript) | 17:44 |
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| ddovbii | I tried do it in this way | 17:44 |
| slagun | you can pass the whole script to runCommand. That's why we need it in the first place | 17:44 |
| sergmelikyan | $myScript: $resources.string(...) ? | 17:44 |
| slagun | yes | 17:44 |
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| ativelkov | I would prefer more design to be put here first | 17:45 |
| ddovbii | it doesn't work in all scripts | 17:45 |
| ddovbii | *with all scripts | 17:45 |
| slagun | if it doesn't work this way then there is a bug that need to be fixed ASAP | 17:45 |
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| slagun | it should work. This function is meaningless if you need to put file to /tmp first | 17:46 |
| slagun | if it doesn't then the feature is broken/incomplete | 17:46 |
| slagun | and fixing it is more important than apps upgrade | 17:47 |
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| ddovbii | slagun, I like your approach. But looks like we need to add pre-encoding to base64 in this case | 17:47 |
| sergmelikyan | ddovbii: can you explain what is not working? | 17:47 |
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| slagun | ddovbii: maybe. Lets investigate it and do what's necessary | 17:48 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I also do not really like the idea of mixing MuranoPL and bash code | 17:48 |
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| slagun | also we'll add more methods like executeScript() which will not require $resources.string() and turn Linux methods into extensions of Agent class | 17:48 |
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| slagun | kzaitsev_mb: agree. But you don't need to mix them at all | 17:49 |
| kzaitsev_mb | this prevents us from being able to cleanly lint/test shell code. | 17:49 |
| slagun | bash remains in resource files | 17:49 |
| ddovbii | as far as I remember, deployment failed due to issues with transferring of some special symbols and quotes to VM | 17:49 |
| kzaitsev_mb | slagun: agree. | 17:49 |
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| slagun | ddovbii: you can file a bug and assign it on me if you want | 17:50 |
| kzaitsev_mb | I guess, that we'll have to postpone this commit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292889/ until we make it work seamlessly. | 17:50 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292889/ | 17:50 |
| sergmelikyan | +1 | 17:50 |
| slagun | we can put bash statements into MuranoPL in case of one-liner trivial scripts like "apt-get install something". Anything that is more complex than than need to be in resources | 17:51 |
| slagun | The first thing about this commit is that in need to be split | 17:52 |
| slagun | there's no need to upgrade everything at once | 17:52 |
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| ksnihyr | +1 | 17:53 |
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| ativelkov | I also believe that we don't need all that applications in murano-apps at all | 17:53 |
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| slagun | ativelkov: probably. But thats a different story | 17:53 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ativelkov: that is a different question, yep ) | 17:53 |
| ativelkov | That repo is intended to host several demo apps showing various aspects of how to use murano, not the garbage heap for all the apps ever written | 17:53 |
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| slagun | ativelkov: I believe that's the role of a.o.o | 17:54 |
| ativelkov | Well, yeah, but until it is solved we will have to revisit this topic again and again: as soon as a new feature comes up in the language or standard lib, we will be asking questions if we should update all the apps or not | 17:54 |
| ddovbii | slagun, +1 | 17:54 |
| slagun | ativelkov: I mean to host everything possible | 17:54 |
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| ativelkov | slagun: a.o.o is an index, not a source code repo | 17:55 |
| kzaitsev_mb | a.o.o should be our pypi, not source code repo | 17:55 |
| ativelkov | yup | 17:55 |
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| ativelkov | and the actual apps should be hosted in their respective repos | 17:56 |
| slagun | ativelkov: a.o.o can host apps from many different repos. We, as a murano team need to maintain only the one with good examples. Maybe those examples are not needed at a.o.o at all | 17:56 |
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| slagun | ativelkov: looks like we're on the same page here | 17:56 |
| ativelkov | slagun: agree | 17:56 |
| ativelkov | but for now it seems like the murano-apps repo is a pile of everything | 17:56 |
| ativelkov | So, I'd propose to stop updtaing them to newer features unless that's absolutely nessesary | 17:57 |
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| ativelkov | When we sort it out and will select just several "perfect" demo apps we will keep them updated to match the most modern features of MuranoPL and its stdlib | 17:58 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ativelkov: that doesn't sound like what even you think murano-apps repo should be | 17:58 |
| kzaitsev_mb | the point of this update was to showcase new feature | 17:58 |
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| ativelkov | I understand | 17:58 |
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| * sergmelikyan reminding about time | 17:59 | |
| kzaitsev_mb | we're almost out of time. I believe, that we'll have to revisit murano-apps topic again. | 17:59 |
| ativelkov | but it turned out that 1) the feature is not good enough, 2) there are too many identical apps | 17:59 |
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| ativelkov | agree | 17:59 |
| sergmelikyan | +1, for now let's not merge commit in questions | 17:59 |
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| slagun | ativelkov: I believe we should create new app for each major feature and have a readme.txt file that describes what feature is demonstrated by what app. Once we have a better syntax we write another app instead of upgrading old one to demonstrate both old and new syntax | 17:59 |
| kzaitsev_mb | but for now — I believe, that we agreed that we should polish the commit in question further | 17:59 |
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| sergmelikyan | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 22 18:00:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-03-22-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-03-22-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/murano/2016/murano.2016-03-22-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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