| xgerman | #startmeeting Networking FWaaS | 00:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 24 00:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xgerman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking FWaaS)" | 00:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_fwaas' | 00:00 |
| xgerman | sridark yt? | 00:00 |
| SridarK | Hi All | 00:00 |
| xgerman | #chair sridark | 00:00 |
| hoangcx | hi | 00:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: sridark xgerman | 00:00 |
| mickeys | Hi | 00:00 |
| xgerman | hi | 00:00 |
| xgerman | full house | 00:01 |
| xgerman | #topic Announcements | 00:01 |
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| xgerman | amax remains PTL | 00:01 |
| xgerman | armax | 00:01 |
| armax | sorry folks | 00:02 |
| xgerman | there is some design session idea eitehrpad for Austin: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-summit-ideas | 00:02 |
| * xgerman bows to armax | 00:02 | |
| SridarK | armax: congrats | 00:02 |
| armax | I promise I won’t run next time | 00:02 |
| xgerman | maybe nobody else will and you have to remain PTL | 00:02 |
| xgerman | :-) | 00:03 |
| armax | we’ll see | 00:03 |
| SridarK | armax: u may tempt Trump - so pls dont jump to any decisions yet - we are quite quite happy with u | 00:03 |
| SridarK | :-) | 00:03 |
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| armax | SridarK: it’s the extra quite that makes me dubious you’re being honest | 00:03 |
| xgerman | hows the wall between neutron and nova coming nova is paying for? | 00:03 |
| SridarK | armax: no there is no significance to the "quite" - we are happy :-) | 00:04 |
| xgerman | +1 | 00:04 |
| armax | ok! | 00:04 |
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| xgerman | I added "iptables/chain plugin mechanism to have entry points for multiple projects to utilzie them without side effects” to that ether pad but there is probably more we would like to talk about... | 00:05 |
| Aish | hi | 00:05 |
| xgerman | #topic Short progress reports | 00:06 |
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| xgerman | not much progress from our end - reviewed some patches and move them along | 00:06 |
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| SridarK | Some update on observer hierarchy | 00:07 |
| SridarK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278863 | 00:07 |
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| SridarK | i pinged the submitter - to check if he still has bandwidth to continue | 00:07 |
| SridarK | he said he will be back on this as early as later this week | 00:08 |
| xgerman | awesome!! | 00:08 |
| SridarK | there are some comments that need a response | 00:08 |
| SridarK | so i think we shd be good with that | 00:08 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 00:09 |
| xgerman | also we have some time: #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 00:09 |
| SridarK | ok sounds good | 00:10 |
| xgerman | sridark did you have a chance to reach out to the vendors regarding moving drivers out of tree? | 00:11 |
| SridarK | xgerman: no - not yet - will do that | 00:11 |
| xgerman | thanks... | 00:11 |
| xgerman | anything else? | 00:12 |
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| SridarK | nothing major from me | 00:12 |
| xgerman | same here | 00:13 |
| xgerman | #topic Open Discussion | 00:13 |
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| xgerman | ok, if there is not anything else we can close | 00:16 |
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| xgerman | #endmeeting | 00:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 24 00:16:59 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-03-24-00.00.html | 00:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-03-24-00.00.txt | 00:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_fwaas/2016/networking_fwaas.2016-03-24-00.00.log.html | 00:17 |
| hoangcx | bye | 00:17 |
| SridarK | ok Thx xgerman: bye all | 00:17 |
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| xgerman | bye - thanks for joining | 00:17 |
| Aish | bye | 00:17 |
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| dirk | toabctl, dirk, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jruzicka: ping | 13:04 |
| dirk | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 24 13:04:36 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dirk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:04 |
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| number80 | hello | 13:05 |
| toabctl | hi | 13:05 |
| dirk | hey everyone | 13:05 |
| dirk | please update agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:05 |
| IgorYozhikov | o/ | 13:06 |
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| dirk | #topic stable branch | 13:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable branch (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:08 | |
| mivanov | hi | 13:08 |
| dirk | I'd like to request a creation of a stable branch for rpm-packaging so that we can continue updating to master and to stable/mitaka independently | 13:08 |
| dirk | does anyone have concerns with that? | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, fine | 13:09 |
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| toabctl | +1 | 13:09 |
| number80 | +1 | 13:10 |
| IgorYozhikov | only 1 question | 13:10 |
| IgorYozhikov | if nothing changed - cherry-picking master -> stable/mitaka or how? | 13:10 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'm about new uploads | 13:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | 1st patchset goes to master | 13:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | and if there are no diff, cherry-pick back to stable | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | thoughts? | 13:12 |
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| dirk | yep, would work for me | 13:12 |
| dirk | assuming that the change makes sense for mitaka | 13:12 |
| number80 | yes, master should be first | 13:12 |
| dirk | #agreed create a stable/mitaka branch for rpm-packaging | 13:12 |
| dirk | #topic possible design session topics - CIs, how to react, which artifacts could be produced(IgorYozhikov) | 13:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "possible design session topics - CIs, how to react, which artifacts could be produced(IgorYozhikov) (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:13 | |
| IgorYozhikov | yes, want to clarify possible topics | 13:13 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'm suggesting to discuss how developers should react on CI results | 13:14 |
| dirk | so the main issue I know of is that we didn't get any rooms allocated | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, could we do that or it's late | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | if it's not late - let me know, i'll try to help with somehow | 13:16 |
| number80 | well, we can somehow work it out, even by going to a coffee place | 13:17 |
| IgorYozhikov | number80, I know, but it could be interesting for more wider audience | 13:18 |
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| number80 | IgorYozhikov: we can always manage to be inserted in the official schedule if we have a defined place | 13:18 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: I can try to get an answer, but the basic problem | 13:19 |
| dirk | was that I missed the deadline | 13:19 |
| IgorYozhikov | number80, does it means that all rooms already booked? | 13:19 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: yes. there are many more projects in the big tent and fewer rooms | 13:20 |
| dirk | so we hav eless availability than before | 13:20 |
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| number80 | ack | 13:21 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, i c. It would be great, because we could discuss not only one particular topic | 13:21 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: yep | 13:22 |
| dirk | so I'll try to get an answer | 13:22 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, thanx again | 13:22 |
| dirk | we just need a room that says "rpm packaging" work group, right? | 13:22 |
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| IgorYozhikov | looks fine | 13:22 |
| dirk | and we can bring up topics then for the slot? | 13:22 |
| number80 | yes | 13:22 |
| dirk | ok, | 13:23 |
| dirk | #agreed try to add a slot to the agenda even without a room available | 13:23 |
| IgorYozhikov | so, i'll try to prepare material from my side and share it with you | 13:23 |
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| dirk | great | 13:24 |
| dirk | #topic futher steps according to http://toabctl.de/openstack/rpm-packaging-status.html update "needs upgrade" 1st?( | 13:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "futher steps according to http://toabctl.de/openstack/rpm-packaging-status.html update "needs upgrade" 1st?( (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:24 | |
| IgorYozhikov | here I want to figure out what will be more useful to do next | 13:24 |
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| IgorYozhikov | update & merge pending CRs | update what is marked as required 4 update | 13:25 |
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| IgorYozhikov | i mean "needs upgrade" from toabctl list | 13:26 |
| dirk | yep, that should be done as well | 13:27 |
| IgorYozhikov | I prefer - update outdated | 13:27 |
| IgorYozhikov | and after that proceed with py*clients | 13:27 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: +1 | 13:28 |
| toabctl | and we should remove all the versions we currently have in the .spec.j2 files. | 13:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, as here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270826/ ? | 13:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | omg, I pushed request before save file :( | 13:29 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: hm. there are still versions. I guess from test-requirements because we currently only allow a single requirements file? | 13:29 |
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| IgorYozhikov | fixes | 13:30 |
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| IgorYozhikov | on the way | 13:31 |
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| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270826/16/openstack/oslo.db/oslo.db.spec.j2 | 13:31 |
| IgorYozhikov | updated | 13:31 |
| IgorYozhikov | sorry for that | 13:31 |
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| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, I suggest to leave known versions which are differs from requirements file. your opinion? | 13:32 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I mean if version in setup.* is higher then in requirements | 13:33 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov: I would then just bump the version in the requirements . | 13:33 |
| toabctl | but we should check why there are different pbr versions. at least I don't know why that's the case... | 13:34 |
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| IgorYozhikov | may be after stable/mitaka will cut for global-requirements - versions will be equal, just guessing | 13:35 |
| dirk | yeah | 13:36 |
| dirk | ok, so we create a stable/mitaka branch and can keep version handling in global-requirements | 13:36 |
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| IgorYozhikov | anyway, we agreed on updating 1st what is already requires updates | 13:36 |
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| dirk | yep | 13:38 |
| dirk | #agreed submit updates for the outdated packages | 13:38 |
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| dirk | ok, anything else? | 13:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | may be last concern - how to deal with pbr 1.6 vs 1.8 | 13:39 |
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| IgorYozhikov | leave it as is and just build 1.8 which will be used | 13:40 |
| toabctl | +1 | 13:40 |
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| IgorYozhikov | ok, so, i'll drop all the rest version record from my CR | 13:40 |
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| IgorYozhikov | done | 13:41 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I'm out of topics for today. Just want to share with you about progress with our CI. 1st steps made inside our "sand-box" and we've got today "green" jenkins jobs. | 13:42 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: you're testing what? | 13:43 |
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| dirk | mirantis packags on rhel/centos ? | 13:43 |
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| IgorYozhikov | spec.j2 | 13:43 |
| IgorYozhikov | we use centos base layer for packages | 13:43 |
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| dirk | ok | 13:44 |
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| toabctl | so are we done? | 13:45 |
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| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, looks so | 13:45 |
| IgorYozhikov | any1 else have something to discuss? | 13:46 |
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| dirk | number80: any update on your testing integration? | 13:46 |
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| dirk | well, I guess we can continue in openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:47 |
| dirk | next week same time! enjoy the long weekend! | 13:47 |
| dirk | #endmeeting | 13:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 24 13:47:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-03-24-13.04.html | 13:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-03-24-13.04.txt | 13:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-03-24-13.04.log.html | 13:47 |
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| m3m0 | #startmeeting freezer | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 24 13:59:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is m3m0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 13:59 |
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| m3m0 | hey guys who's here for the freezer meeting | 13:59 |
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| m3m0 | o/ | 13:59 |
| ddieterly | o/ | 14:00 |
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| zhurong | 0/ | 14:01 |
| daemontool | o/ | 14:01 |
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| zhangjn | 0/ | 14:01 |
| reldan | 0/ | 14:01 |
| yangyapeng | :) | 14:01 |
| m3m0 | there is a situation | 14:01 |
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| m3m0 | we don't have topics for today :P https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:01 |
| m3m0 | but I will like to start with one | 14:01 |
| m3m0 | #topic pending reviews | 14:02 |
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| m3m0 | does anyone has important commits need it to be reviewd? | 14:02 |
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| daemontool | I think this is important https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297119/ | 14:02 |
| daemontool | from infra | 14:02 |
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| slashme | From szaher https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295220/ | 14:03 |
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| daemontool | it's not highly urgent and still working in progress | 14:03 |
| daemontool | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290461/ but if anyone wants to review the code... | 14:03 |
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| daemontool | thanks ddieterly btw ^^ | 14:03 |
| m3m0 | from my side | 14:03 |
| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/278407 | 14:03 |
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| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/280811 | 14:04 |
| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/291757 | 14:04 |
| ddieterly | daemontool np, just gave it a cursory reading, nothing too deep | 14:04 |
| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/296436 | 14:04 |
| daemontool | we need to solve an important challenge | 14:04 |
| daemontool | which is, how to not re read all the data every time to compute incrementals | 14:05 |
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| m3m0 | which is? | 14:05 |
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| daemontool | so we have a quick exchange of ideas with frescof | 14:05 |
| m3m0 | can we use an external tool like diff? | 14:05 |
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| daemontool | the problem is | 14:05 |
| reldan | daemontool: Like git did - checks modification date | 14:05 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:06 |
| daemontool | so let's say there's a use case | 14:06 |
| daemontool | where the current data | 14:06 |
| daemontool | is 300TB (sounds big but is starting to be common) | 14:06 |
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| zhangjn | backup 300TB data? | 14:06 |
| daemontool | if you have volumes of 100GB | 14:06 |
| daemontool | you will realise 300TB is not that much volumes | 14:07 |
| daemontool | zhangjn, yes | 14:07 |
| daemontool | even 100TB | 14:07 |
| zhangjn | Some devstack patch is need to be accept. | 14:07 |
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| zhangjn | now devstack is not work. | 14:07 |
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| daemontool | zhangjn, yes ++ | 14:07 |
| daemontool | so | 14:07 |
| daemontool | I hear a lots of uses | 14:08 |
| daemontool | use cases | 14:08 |
| daemontool | where is needed a solution | 14:08 |
| zhangjn | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265111/ | 14:08 |
| zhangjn | this one | 14:08 |
| daemontool | that can do backups of all volumes | 14:08 |
| daemontool | like all_tenants | 14:08 |
| daemontool | incremental | 14:08 |
| daemontool | and that is the challenge we have | 14:08 |
| m3m0 | like reldan suggested, do like git or tar, first check the modification time and if is different from the previous one, read only that file | 14:08 |
| daemontool | we cannot reread the data every time | 14:09 |
| daemontool | m3m0, we might have something like | 14:09 |
| m3m0 | we are only reading the inodes | 14:09 |
| daemontool | /dev/sdb2 | 14:09 |
| daemontool | but let's say | 14:09 |
| m3m0 | ooooo not from file system perspective but from the image? | 14:09 |
| daemontool | we have 10k volumes | 14:09 |
| m3m0 | sorry the volume? | 14:09 |
| daemontool | so we have 10k files | 14:09 |
| daemontool | and every file is modified | 14:09 |
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| daemontool | and every file is 100GB | 14:10 |
| daemontool | so we need to reread the data to generate the incrementals each time... | 14:10 |
| reldan | daemontool: If we don’t know about the structure of these files - yes | 14:10 |
| reldan | there are no better solution | 14:10 |
| daemontool | we could thing of something like | 14:10 |
| daemontool | storage drivers | 14:11 |
| reldan | if we now for example, that these files only support appends to the end - it easier | 14:11 |
| daemontool | there are fs that can do that for us | 14:11 |
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| daemontool | like zfs | 14:11 |
| daemontool | or btrfs | 14:11 |
| daemontool | or other proprietory solution | 14:11 |
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| daemontool | they can provide to us | 14:11 |
| daemontool | before hand | 14:11 |
| daemontool | the blocks that changed | 14:12 |
| daemontool | and for example | 14:12 |
| daemontool | a differencial | 14:12 |
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| daemontool | of 2 snapshots | 14:12 |
| EinstCrazy | you mean use the feature the fs provide ? | 14:12 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:12 |
| daemontool | we need a way to know what data modified | 14:12 |
| daemontool | without re read all the data each time | 14:13 |
| daemontool | how do we do that? this is the challenge | 14:13 |
| daemontool | we can do it with tar and rsync | 14:13 |
| daemontool | for significant use cases | 14:13 |
| reldan | I actually don’t understand the idea to have 10K of 100 GB files per each and modify them | 14:13 |
| m3m0 | without support of the file system will be a problem | 14:14 |
| reldan | Do we really have such customers? | 14:14 |
| daemontool | reldan, yes | 14:14 |
| daemontool | I have now at least 3 | 14:14 |
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| reldan | Probably you can share what the files? | 14:14 |
| EinstCrazy | But I've study btrfs' cow 2 years ago, it did not support file cow,but only directory | 14:14 |
| reldan | What are they storing in these files? | 14:14 |
| daemontool | EinstCrazy, btrfs would be for example the file system in the storage | 14:14 |
| daemontool | reldan, I don't know | 14:15 |
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| daemontool | so in the compute nodes | 14:15 |
| daemontool | you have /var/lib/nova/instances | 14:15 |
| daemontool | and that /var/lib/nova/instances is mounted on a remote storage | 14:15 |
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| daemontool | but btrfs is one of the use cases | 14:15 |
| daemontool | cause | 14:15 |
| daemontool | most of the users for this case | 14:15 |
| daemontool | would have | 14:15 |
| daemontool | emc | 14:15 |
| daemontool | or 3par | 14:15 |
| daemontool | storeonce | 14:15 |
| daemontool | and so on | 14:15 |
| zhangjn | Data Deduplication? | 14:16 |
| daemontool | data deduplication | 14:16 |
| daemontool | we can do it | 14:16 |
| daemontool | with rsync as the hashes of blocks | 14:17 |
| daemontool | are computed there | 14:17 |
| daemontool | but | 14:17 |
| daemontool | for instance data deduplication | 14:17 |
| daemontool | is provided by zfs | 14:17 |
| daemontool | natively | 14:17 |
| zhangjn | I think this is most import for instance backup. | 14:17 |
| daemontool | and also compression | 14:17 |
| reldan | Yes, but in common case I suppose we should store more hashes than we have data ) | 14:17 |
| zhangjn | zfs is good at this scenario. | 14:18 |
| daemontool | reldan, rephrase that please? | 14:18 |
| daemontool | I didn't got it | 14:18 |
| reldan | Let’s say we have file A and file B | 14:18 |
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| reldan | file A and file B share 50% of content | 14:18 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:18 |
| reldan | so we have rolling hash in first file | 14:18 |
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| reldan | and rolling hash in second | 14:18 |
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| zhangjn | but I think we'd better do in freezer. | 14:19 |
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| reldan | to be able to find that file A and file B sharing some chunk | 14:19 |
| daemontool | reldan, yes | 14:19 |
| reldan | we should keep our hashes (in this case rolling hashes) | 14:19 |
| reldan | and for file with size m and chunk for hash n | 14:19 |
| reldan | we should have m - n + 1 hash | 14:20 |
| reldan | O(n) hashes | 14:20 |
| daemontool | reldan, exactly | 14:20 |
| daemontool | that's how zfs does | 14:20 |
| daemontool | hash table | 14:20 |
| daemontool | some more info here v | 14:21 |
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| daemontool | https://pthree.org/2012/12/18/zfs-administration-part-xi-compression-and-deduplication/ | 14:21 |
| daemontool | what I'd like to understand is | 14:21 |
| daemontool | do you see this is something we need to solve? | 14:21 |
| daemontool | all? | 14:21 |
| ddieterly | seems like s scale issue that has to be solved | 14:21 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:21 |
| daemontool | we cannot use rsync for large scale cases | 14:22 |
| daemontool | or for cases | 14:22 |
| daemontool | where customers wants to have the backups executed on all_tenants | 14:22 |
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| daemontool | all volumes | 14:22 |
| daemontool | or all instances | 14:22 |
| daemontool | if the customer can use rsync on each vm/volume | 14:22 |
| daemontool | than better | 14:22 |
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| daemontool | so | 14:24 |
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| daemontool | we can have something like storage drivers | 14:24 |
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| zhangjn | like zfs driver? | 14:24 |
| daemontool | and we manage the storage drivers as btrfs, zfs, storeonce, 3par | 14:24 |
| daemontool | yez | 14:24 |
| daemontool | so if we have the backend that does dedup and can provide hashes of modified blocks | 14:25 |
| daemontool | we use that and we scale | 14:25 |
| daemontool | otherwise we provide tar and rsync | 14:25 |
| zhangjn | enable driver to do this is easy. | 14:25 |
| daemontool | depending on the cases | 14:25 |
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| daemontool | if we provide this... we'll provide the best open source backup/restore/disaster recovery tool in the world | 14:25 |
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| daemontool | that's it :) | 14:26 |
| zhangjn | in the virtualization scenario :) | 14:26 |
| daemontool | now, who wants to write a bp for this? | 14:26 |
| daemontool | in the cloud business yes | 14:26 |
| slashme | daemontool: You mean we would have a zfs/btrfs/3par/... engine ? | 14:27 |
| daemontool | slashme yes | 14:27 |
| slashme | Seems very good to me :) | 14:27 |
| daemontool | better definition in freezer glossary | 14:27 |
| daemontool | ty :) | 14:27 |
| daemontool | it's is higly critical | 14:27 |
| daemontool | cause it's the competitive advantage | 14:27 |
| daemontool | that commercial solution have | 14:28 |
| daemontool | vs us | 14:28 |
| zhangjn | first support 3par | 14:28 |
| slashme | And it allows us not to introduce too much complexity in freezer if we manage dedupliction and incremental using the storage | 14:28 |
| daemontool | slashme, yes. I think we can provide both | 14:28 |
| daemontool | but the cases of where the features will be uses | 14:29 |
| daemontool | are very different | 14:29 |
| daemontool | for different customers | 14:29 |
| slashme | Yes\ | 14:29 |
| daemontool | etc | 14:29 |
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| daemontool | if people use ext4 and use freezer to backup from withicn the vms | 14:29 |
| daemontool | with dedup | 14:29 |
| daemontool | then we offer that | 14:29 |
| zhangjn | last week I meet with hpe sale in my office. | 14:29 |
| daemontool | but if we have all the giants | 14:30 |
| daemontool | looking at us | 14:30 |
| daemontool | cause they want to use freezer | 14:30 |
| daemontool | then we have to provide that | 14:30 |
| daemontool | and I think, it's a reasonable approach to get more people onboard to the project | 14:30 |
| zhangjn | good idea | 14:30 |
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| daemontool | we can talk about this | 14:31 |
| daemontool | in the Summit | 14:31 |
| ddieterly | who will be going to the summit | 14:31 |
| ddieterly | i will be there | 14:31 |
| daemontool | most of us | 14:31 |
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| daemontool | me too | 14:31 |
| slashme | I will | 14:32 |
| slashme | m3m0 as well | 14:32 |
| daemontool | frescof too | 14:32 |
| daemontool | I hope szaher too | 14:32 |
| zhangjn | more resources is good for us. | 14:32 |
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| slashme | frescof also | 14:32 |
| szaher | daemontool: Sorry I won't be able to do it :( | 14:32 |
| ddieterly | reldan you going? | 14:32 |
| daemontool | ok I'm sorry Saad | 14:32 |
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| reldan | ddieterly: Nope, my boss said that I’m not going | 14:32 |
| daemontool | I'm going to return the free ticket than, is that ok? | 14:32 |
| szaher | Ok | 14:33 |
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| daemontool | ddieterly, if you could say half word internally that'd be good, if you can/want | 14:33 |
| ddieterly | ok, sounds like a good number of people will be there | 14:33 |
| daemontool | I can share the room | 14:33 |
| daemontool | so no room costs | 14:33 |
| daemontool | and provide free access to the summit | 14:33 |
| ddieterly | daemontool i did not understand; could you please rephrase? | 14:34 |
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| daemontool | ddieterly, can you have a word with Omead, and see if there's anything he can do to send reldan ? | 14:34 |
| daemontool | something like that | 14:34 |
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| ddieterly | daemontool i'm sorry, but i just barely made the cut to go | 14:34 |
| daemontool | I can share the room | 14:34 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:34 |
| daemontool | np | 14:34 |
| ddieterly | hpe is really cutting back on attendees | 14:34 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:35 |
| zhangjn | share man :( | 14:35 |
| daemontool | ok np | 14:35 |
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| ddieterly | daemontool omead an only send 2 people | 14:35 |
| zhangjn | I am so shy | 14:35 |
| ddieterly | roland and i got to go | 14:35 |
| daemontool | ok np | 14:36 |
| daemontool | ty :) | 14:36 |
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| daemontool | anyway | 14:36 |
| daemontool | let's get back on track | 14:36 |
| daemontool | with the meeting here | 14:36 |
| daemontool | so | 14:36 |
| daemontool | anyone wants to write the bp | 14:36 |
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| daemontool | for engines that leverage storage specific | 14:36 |
| daemontool | features? | 14:36 |
| daemontool | like dedup and incrementals? | 14:36 |
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| daemontool | zhangjn, EinstCrazy are you itnerested guys? | 14:37 |
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| ddieterly | i'd be happy to, but i don't know enough about the project to do it | 14:38 |
| ddieterly | :-( | 14:38 |
| daemontool | ddieterly, do you mean you don't know about freezer? | 14:38 |
| daemontool | I think this can be a good opportunity | 14:38 |
| daemontool | and if you see the rsync code | 14:38 |
| ddieterly | yea, i don't know enough about backups and backup technology | 14:38 |
| daemontool | it will be somewhat similar | 14:38 |
| daemontool | ah ok | 14:38 |
| daemontool | well, we can start with 3par, storeonce, emc | 14:39 |
| EinstCrazy | I'm interested. But I dont know the scope in detail | 14:39 |
| daemontool | or at least the technology | 14:39 |
| daemontool | we have access more | 14:39 |
| zhangjn | good opportunity to know freezer and backup. | 14:39 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:39 |
| daemontool | so let me know | 14:39 |
| daemontool | even we can start with | 14:39 |
| daemontool | zfs | 14:39 |
| daemontool | I don't know | 14:40 |
| zhangjn | EinstCrazy, go ahead, daemontool will help you. | 14:40 |
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| daemontool | if you are interested I'm here | 14:40 |
| daemontool | frescof too | 14:40 |
| daemontool | and reldan too :) | 14:40 |
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| daemontool | m3m0, we can move forward | 14:40 |
| daemontool | to the next topic | 14:41 |
| EinstCrazy | en | 14:41 |
| m3m0 | ok, but still we don't have a list of topics | 14:41 |
| m3m0 | does anyone have something to share? | 14:41 |
| daemontool | m3m0, improvise | 14:41 |
| daemontool | lol | 14:41 |
| daemontool | so | 14:41 |
| daemontool | reldan, metadata | 14:41 |
| m3m0 | documentation or testing then :) | 14:41 |
| daemontool | any new on that? | 14:41 |
| ddieterly | ok, hpe is talkign about multi-region agaion | 14:42 |
| reldan | Yes, metadata. I am still writing blueprint. But acutally have one question | 14:42 |
| ddieterly | we still aren't sure exactly what it is, but it keeps coming up | 14:42 |
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| kelepirci_ | I am here to observ | 14:43 |
| ddieterly | one instance of freezer-api/elastic search serving multiple regions of nova/neutron/etc | 14:43 |
| reldan | We have discussed that we would like to change the way we keep our backups. Like for swift engine/id/bla-bla. So my question - should we support our previous backups and storages in this case | 14:44 |
| ddieterly | reldan you mean remain backward compatible? | 14:44 |
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| reldan | yes, you are right. Because 1) remain backward compatability is really bad solution 2) don’t remain previous backup - also not very nice | 14:45 |
| ddieterly | it is much easier for all if backward compatibility is maintained | 14:46 |
| ddieterly | otherwise, you must deal with upgrading | 14:46 |
| zhangjn | How many people are using freezer project to backup in product? | 14:46 |
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| ddieterly | freezer is shipped with hpe helion | 14:46 |
| daemontool | also in Ericsson is being used in few projects | 14:47 |
| ddieterly | so, we need backward compatibility or else an upgrade path | 14:47 |
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| daemontool | ddieterly, yes, but it's just about doing a new level 0 backups after all | 14:47 |
| daemontool | that's the difference I think | 14:47 |
| ddieterly | ok, as long as existing installations do not break... | 14:48 |
| reldan | In case of backward compatibility, there are no much reason to support new container path and metadata. Because I should be able to restore my data without metadata anyway :) | 14:48 |
| zhangjn | who can write a user case for me, I can push the freezer project in china. | 14:48 |
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| daemontool | zhangjn, let's have an offline conversation about that | 14:50 |
| daemontool | I can help | 14:50 |
| daemontool | reldan, I agree | 14:50 |
| reldan | So I need some decision about backward compatibility | 14:51 |
| reldan | I can even write “migration” | 14:51 |
| daemontool | any thought? | 14:51 |
| daemontool | anyone | 14:51 |
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| reldan | but don’t think that for big amount of data it is a good idea | 14:51 |
| daemontool | I agree | 14:51 |
| ddieterly | migration sucks | 14:51 |
| reldan | :) | 14:52 |
| ddieterly | ;-) | 14:52 |
| daemontool | another feature we need to provide | 14:52 |
| daemontool | are rolling upagrades | 14:52 |
| daemontool | all other services are providing that | 14:52 |
| daemontool | we need to do that too | 14:52 |
| zhangjn | how to upgrade the freezer will be considered later? | 14:52 |
| reldan | Second idea (also very bad) rename swift storage to old-swift and write new-swift with metadata and different pathes | 14:53 |
| reldan | local -> old-loca | 14:53 |
| reldan | ssh -> old-ssh | 14:53 |
| daemontool | reldan, I think, if needed we can have backward incompatibility | 14:53 |
| reldan | and support both versions :) | 14:53 |
| daemontool | in Newton | 14:53 |
| daemontool | and if you need to restrore data | 14:53 |
| daemontool | exactly on that moment | 14:54 |
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| daemontool | because there's no level 0 yet | 14:54 |
| daemontool | then a previou freezer-agent version needs to be used | 14:54 |
| daemontool | we can write that in the documentation | 14:54 |
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| daemontool | if we need to move forward and provide better feature and simplify our life | 14:54 |
| reldan | Sounds good for me. But then everybody should agree that at some point we will be unable to restore old backups by new code | 14:55 |
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| slashme | I don't see the problem | 14:56 |
| m3m0 | guys we have 4 min left | 14:56 |
| daemontool | if this happens rarely | 14:56 |
| daemontool | I don't see the problem either | 14:56 |
| slashme | You just have to use an older version of freezer to restore an older backup | 14:56 |
| ddieterly | slashme will give you the customer ticket when the problem comes up ;-) | 14:56 |
| yangyapeng | I disagree | 14:57 |
| daemontool | ddieterly, it slashme that get the ticket first :) | 14:57 |
| daemontool | yangyapeng, ok, please extend | 14:57 |
| daemontool | :) | 14:57 |
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| ddieterly | yea, i meant that slashme gets the ticket | 14:57 |
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| yangyapeng | it is a trouble to restore use old backup | 14:57 |
| m3m0 | 2 minutes left | 14:58 |
| daemontool | ddieterly, ok :) | 14:58 |
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| daemontool | sorry I have to run now, I have a meeting | 14:58 |
| ddieterly | ciao! | 14:58 |
| m3m0 | remember that we can take this discussion to #openstack-freezer channel | 14:58 |
| m3m0 | thanks all for your time :) | 14:59 |
| m3m0 | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 24 14:59:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-03-24-13.59.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-03-24-13.59.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-03-24-13.59.log.html | 14:59 |
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| zhangjn | ciao | 14:59 |
| slashme | thx m3m0 | 14:59 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 24 15:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| tpsilva | hello | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello o/ | 15:00 |
| dustins | \o | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hi | 15:00 |
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| markstur_ | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
| JayXu | Hello | 15:01 |
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| tbarron | hi | 15:01 |
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| mkoderer | hello | 15:02 |
| bswartz | JayXu was here then he vanished... | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | I wanted to cover his topic first but oh well | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #topic Design summit planning | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-newton-summit-topics | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | so we have a bunch of topic proposals | 15:04 |
| bswartz | thank you guys | 15:04 |
| bswartz | anyone who hasn't added their proposals it's not too late | 15:04 |
| bswartz | remember to put your name next to anything you add | 15:04 |
| bswartz | and just because a name is there doesn't mean that person will be presenting (my name is next to several things I hope others will present) | 15:05 |
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| mkoderer__ | for hpb/binding we are also on the Neutron etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-summit-ideas | 15:05 |
| mkoderer__ | not sure how to organize a joint session | 15:05 |
| bswartz | so my request is that today you start reviewing the topics and add +1 next to topics you want to see covered | 15:05 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:06 |
| bswartz | mkoderer__: typically we use one of their slots or one of our slots and we invite the guests to come to the other session | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | mkoderer__: we'd just need to coordinate schedules so it was a slot that we didn't have conflicts in | 15:06 |
| mkoderer__ | bswartz: ok I need to talk to the neutron folks about it | 15:06 |
| mkoderer__ | ok fine | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | I've asked ttx to schedule us so we don't conflict with cinder, but all bets are off regarding neutron | 15:07 |
| JayXu | Hi | 15:08 |
| mkoderer__ | JayXu: hi | 15:08 |
| bswartz | so please start voting on topics with +1s and add any other topics | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | I will take that information and try to fit the topics into the slots we have | 15:09 |
| bswartz | any questions about design summit? | 15:10 |
| mkoderer__ | bswartz: do you know what day our sessions will be? | 15:10 |
| dustins | I'm guessing the sessions will be more towards the end of the week? | 15:10 |
| bswartz | mkoderer__: not monday | 15:10 |
| dustins | what mkoderer__ said :) | 15:10 |
| bswartz | not friday | 15:10 |
| bswartz | they'll be tue/wed/thurs probably split across 2 days | 15:10 |
| mkoderer__ | ok fine for me | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | #topic Question about share servers | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | JayXu: welcome back, this is your topic | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | from the agenda: "Is there a way to get gateway IP address when the API setup_server() is invoked. I did not see this attribute in the input parameter network_info. Gateway IP is mandatory to create the interface for EMC storage which will be release coming soon, so it is expected that we can add the gateway IP into NetworkAllocation model if not." | 15:13 |
| JayXu | okay, actually I post my question in the agenda. | 15:13 |
| JayXu | and I would like discussing if any possibility to add gateway into network_info parameter when invoking setup_server()? | 15:14 |
| bswartz | the gateway is part of the neutron subnet | 15:14 |
| bswartz | so it should be available to manila | 15:14 |
| JayXu | I did not see any other driver to use this property. | 15:14 |
| bswartz | cknight: do we need the gateway IP? | 15:14 |
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| cknight | bswartz: didn't think so, I'll check | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | JayXu: yes, none of the drivers use it and "network plugin" interface does not provide it | 15:15 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: does generic driver use it? | 15:15 |
| bswartz | ugh | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz; generic driver does nto use network allocations )) | 15:15 |
| bswartz | well I think it would be reasonable to provide it | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | yes, fix is easy | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | just need to implement | 15:15 |
| bswartz | however drivers need to be able to handle the case when it's not present even in neutron | 15:15 |
| JayXu | it is in subnet | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | neutron could set the GW IP to 0.0.0.0 if it doesn't exist and drivers should handle that case | 15:16 |
| bswartz | there are networks with no gateways | 15:16 |
| mkoderer__ | should it be persistent in the manila db? | 15:16 |
| JayXu | if gateway is not provided by subnet, the driver can throw an exception if it is mandatory. :) | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | jayxu: you need this is newton right? not mitaka? | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | JayXu: just file such bug and it will be fixed | 15:16 |
| JayXu | My proposal is to add a column in NetworkAllocations | 15:17 |
| JayXu | yes, Newton | 15:17 |
| JayXu | is fine for me | 15:17 |
| JayXu | and I will file a enhancement for that. :0 | 15:17 |
| bswartz | okay, yes a BP makes sense | 15:17 |
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| mkoderer__ | JayXu: ok means old entries will be None in case of migration | 15:17 |
| mkoderer__ | but an exception looks fine | 15:18 |
| bswartz | mkoderer__: we could add logic to manager to populate none entries at startup | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | so it works cleanly even after upgrades | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | mkoderer__, swartz: it is driver logic and its network_api attr | 15:19 |
| ttx | bswartz: looking on the proviosnal scheduling I just finished... it's not looking too bad | 15:19 |
| ttx | manila vs. neutron | 15:19 |
| bswartz | ttx: is it published somewhere yet? | 15:19 |
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| ttx | no, I need to check the draft for conflicts | 15:19 |
| mkoderer__ | ttx: cool :) | 15:19 |
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| ttx | It's complete luck though | 15:20 |
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| ttx | :) | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | okay | 15:21 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | any thing else today? | 15:21 |
| bswartz | oh I have one announcement | 15:21 |
| mkoderer__ | dustins: should we discuss about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288504/ ? | 15:21 |
| dustins | I was just gonna mention that, haha | 15:21 |
| cknight | mkoderer: yes | 15:21 |
| bswartz | I'll be on vacation next week wed-fri, I'll find someone else to chair the weekly meeting | 15:21 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288504/ | 15:22 |
| mkoderer__ | bswartz: +1 have a nice holiday | 15:22 |
| mkoderer__ | I raised the question why this is in devref and not adminref | 15:22 |
| mkoderer__ | and cknight suggested to put it onto the wiki like cinder does | 15:22 |
| bswartz | mkoderer__: it's just momentum -- it was started here and never moved | 15:23 |
| bswartz | I actually prefer it to live in openstack-manuals | 15:23 |
| bswartz | and it should not mention past releases | 15:23 |
| bswartz | just the current release | 15:23 |
| dustins | It doesn't matter to me where it goes, I just gotta know :) | 15:23 |
| mkoderer__ | bswartz: mh, that's also fine.. but we need to ensure that all vendor update it accordingly | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr was going to look at moving some of this info to the config-ref iirc | 15:24 |
| mkoderer__ | having it in tree makes it easy to do updates with one commit | 15:24 |
| vponomaryov | mkoderer__: +1 | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | personally I'd be okay with merging dustins's changes to the devref so the information is captured | 15:24 |
| dustins | mkoderer__: Yeah, I kinda like having it in tree, perhaps in the adminref rather than the defref | 15:25 |
| bswartz | but I agree that it's an awkward place for this information to live and I'd rather see it move out of tree | 15:25 |
| dustins | bswartz: agreed, we can always move it later | 15:25 |
| dustins | Whether it be out of tree or otherwise | 15:25 |
| bswartz | +1 for moving later rather than now | 15:25 |
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| mkoderer__ | bswartz: yeah sure its not releated to the change in general | 15:25 |
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| mkoderer__ | bswartz: +1 | 15:25 |
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| dustins | Yeah, I think that what it is is fine now, but where it is might need to change | 15:26 |
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| dustins | But we can do that later | 15:27 |
| bswartz | dustins: you might want to ping gouthamr about his plans to move some of this info to the config-ref | 15:27 |
| dustins | bswartz: wilco | 15:27 |
| JayXu | Should we keep to update release by release? | 15:27 |
| bswartz | I want to see it happen, but right at release time is not the best time | 15:27 |
| dustins | I gotta make a change to the ZFS line anyway, so I'll do that as well (thanks, vponomaryov!) | 15:28 |
| bswartz | JayXu: IMO the master version of the config-ref should match the matster version of manila | 15:28 |
| bswartz | people who are interested in historical information should look at stable branches or git history | 15:28 |
| JayXu | Make sense. *_^ | 15:29 |
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| * mkoderer__ wants to have a Manila t-shirt with our elected logo | 15:29 | |
| bswartz | also vendors often publish their own docs (I know netapp does) and vendors can include as much historical information as they want in those docs | 15:29 |
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| mkoderer__ | I guess the distros do the same | 15:30 |
| ganso | mkoderer__: which logo got elected? | 15:30 |
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| mkoderer__ | ganso: we need to ask esker | 15:30 |
| bswartz | ganso: good question | 15:30 |
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| dustins | IIRC, it was the third choice | 15:30 |
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| JayXu | T-shirt. How to get a t-shirt? | 15:31 |
| mkoderer__ | bswartz: the plan was a sticker right? | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | will there be tshirst? I thought it was stickers | 15:31 |
| mkoderer__ | should I try to get it sponsored by sap? | 15:32 |
| ganso | bswartz: there were t-shirts @ Tokyo | 15:32 |
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| ganso | bswartz: stickers too | 15:32 |
| mkoderer__ | ganso: damn I wasn't there | 15:32 |
| bswartz | ganso: if you say so | 15:32 |
| * bswartz doesn't know about marketing things | 15:32 | |
| vponomaryov | mkoderer__: how I understand you (( | 15:32 |
| bswartz | okay I think we're done for today | 15:33 |
| bswartz | thanks all | 15:33 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 24 15:33:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-03-24-15.00.html | 15:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-03-24-15.00.txt | 15:33 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:00 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:00 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:00 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:00 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 24 16:00:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:00 |
| angdraug | o/ | 16:00 |
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| evgenyl | hi | 16:00 |
| fzhadaev | Hi! | 16:00 |
| mihgen | hi | 16:00 |
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| HeOS | Hi! | 16:00 |
| srwilkers | hello | 16:00 |
| holser_ | o/ | 16:01 |
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| monester | hi | 16:01 |
| kozhukalov | hi | 16:01 |
| yottatsa | ^_^ | 16:01 |
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| ashtokolov | hi | 16:01 |
| warpc | Hi | 16:01 |
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| akislitsky_ | hi | 16:02 |
| xarses | #topic Action items from last meeting | 16:02 |
| mwhahaha | hi | 16:02 |
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| akasatkin | hi | 16:02 |
| xarses | asaprykin will follow up on fuel master node idempotentcy for 10 | 16:03 |
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| xarses | asaprykin is not with us today | 16:04 |
| xarses | akislitsky_: romcheg to update on fuel-web deadlocks issue | 16:04 |
| ikalnitsky | o/ | 16:04 |
| holser_ | xarses: as far as I know romcheg sent email | 16:04 |
| xarses | ok | 16:04 |
| holser_ | there was a discussion between kozhukalov and romcheg | 16:05 |
| mihgen | there was email thread from ikalnitsky and I've prepared a patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294976/ | 16:05 |
| romcheg | yup | 16:05 |
| xarses | ashtokolov will follow up on scheduling demo for enhancements team features | 16:05 |
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| ashtokolov | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/unlock_settings_demos | 16:05 |
| ikalnitsky | mihgen: nice work ;) | 16:05 |
| xarses | akscram to update ML and bug regarding FFE for in-place upgrade code | 16:06 |
| akscram | the bug report was updates and a letter was sent | 16:06 |
| xarses | ok | 16:07 |
| akscram | The feature has two +2 and it's ready to be merged. | 16:07 |
| xarses | now for the main event | 16:07 |
| xarses | #topic Driving consistent UX across fuel-ui and python-fuelclient (holser) | 16:07 |
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| * angdraug prods holser_ | 16:08 | |
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| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/287508 | 16:08 |
| angdraug | holser_: raised a valid concern in the review ^ | 16:08 |
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| angdraug | we don't have anyone to make sure UX between fuel-ui and python-fuelclient remains consistent | 16:09 |
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| xarses | and by proxy, how the API changes impact them | 16:09 |
| angdraug | in the same time, many people objected to solving this problem by having a single component lead for both | 16:09 |
| angdraug | which also makes sense, component leads have enough to worry about as it is | 16:10 |
| romcheg | angdraug: web UI and cli provide defferent UX | 16:10 |
| angdraug | I think we need to borrow yet another OpenStack collaboration technique and assign/volunteer a UX tzar | 16:10 |
| romcheg | how can someone make is consistent? | 16:10 |
| angdraug | consistent doesn't mean exactly the same | 16:10 |
| xarses | angdraug: +1 | 16:11 |
| holser_ | I think the difference is so huge as horizon and nova cli | 16:11 |
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| holser_ | so nova PTL is responsible for nova CLI | 16:11 |
| romcheg | excacly | 16:11 |
| holser_ | I guess for now Nailgun CL should be responsible for fuel-client | 16:11 |
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| ikalnitsky | wow, easy | 16:12 |
| romcheg | in the future, when we finish separating components, we may end up with a cli client/api wrapper for every one of them | 16:12 |
| holser_ | and collaborate with UI CL to make a consistency | 16:12 |
| xarses | so what is the action from this? | 16:13 |
| xarses | we merged 287508 | 16:13 |
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| angdraug | I propose a role of cross-component UX liaison | 16:13 |
| angdraug | if there's no objections, I can announce it on openstack-dev and call for volunteers | 16:14 |
| holser_ | +! | 16:14 |
| romcheg | angdraug: what they are going to be responsible for? | 16:14 |
| holser_ | make action item :) | 16:14 |
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| angdraug | romcheg: keeping track of UX changes in both ui and fuelclient and reminding people when they grow too far apart | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | angdraug: too many roles | 16:14 |
| angdraug | we're a big project | 16:14 |
| ikalnitsky | kozhukalov: +1 | 16:14 |
| angdraug | if there's no consensus, lets bump the whole discussion to ML and move on | 16:15 |
| romcheg | CLI is an API wrapper | 16:15 |
| romcheg | the only UX it can provide is cover 100% of API | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | openstack itself even does not have CL, it should be up to a component team if they need CL or not | 16:15 |
| ikalnitsky | i think every single person must watch that and raise questions if there's inconsistence | 16:15 |
| xarses | romcheg: that is false | 16:15 |
| xarses | it has to also be usable | 16:15 |
| holser_ | +1 to ikalnitsky | 16:15 |
| angdraug | ikalnitsky: when everyone's responsible, nobody's accountable | 16:16 |
| romcheg | xarses: it is usable by covering API | 16:16 |
| holser_ | meritocracy should win | 16:16 |
| mihgen | we need it to be awesome UX, not just useful | 16:16 |
| ikalnitsky | UX is a part of spec | 16:16 |
| mihgen | components have to stive to have awesome UX | 16:16 |
| angdraug | mihgen: even useful would be an improvement over usable | 16:16 |
| ikalnitsky | we have plenty of engineers, why engineers aren't going to decide what's useful ? | 16:17 |
| romcheg | mihgen: for that we should design an awesome API, not just cover it by a nice wrapper | 16:17 |
| mihgen | no matter how good API is if major use cases over CLI and CLI is terrible | 16:17 |
| xarses | romcheg: no, we have had issues where the CLI is not working with the user well | 16:17 |
| angdraug | 17 minutes in and at the first topic | 16:17 |
| angdraug | lets move this to ML | 16:17 |
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| romcheg | +1 | 16:17 |
| xarses | yep | 16:17 |
| mihgen | ok | 16:17 |
| xarses | #topic FFEs status (angdraug) - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088311.html | 16:17 |
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| romcheg | at least we agreed on smth :) | 16:17 |
| angdraug | lets review the state of our feature freeze exceptions: | 16:18 |
| angdraug | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088311.html | 16:18 |
| angdraug | UCA: merged on 3/10, fix for bug #1556011 merged on 3/17 | 16:18 |
| angdraug | multipath disks: merged on 3/4 | 16:18 |
| angdraug | LCM readyness for all deployment tasks: merged on 3/16 | 16:18 |
| openstack | bug 1556011 in Fuel for OpenStack "UCA specific data must be moved into separate release in openstack.yaml" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1556011 - Assigned to Matthew Mosesohn (raytrac3r) | 16:18 |
| angdraug | HugePages: merged on 3/18 | 16:18 |
| angdraug | Numa: merged on 3/17 | 16:18 |
| angdraug | SR-IOV: merged on 3/15 | 16:18 |
| angdraug | Decouple Fuel and OpenStack tasks: missed the deadline of 3/20, one commit left and ready for merge: | 16:18 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/283332 | 16:18 |
| angdraug | Remove conflicting openstack module parts: missed the deadline of 3/20, one commit left and failing CI: | 16:18 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/296668 | 16:18 |
| angdraug | DPDK: one commit left and failing CI: | 16:18 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/293981 | 16:18 |
| angdraug | Unlock "Settings" Tab: missing the deadline of 3/24, a number of unmerged commits | 16:18 |
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| angdraug | ConfigDB: missing the deadline of 3/24, a number of unmerged commits | 16:18 |
| angdraug | Osnailyfacter refactoring for Puppet Master compatibility: merged on 3/23 | 16:18 |
| xarses | #action angdraug holser_ will raise UX tzar ML | 16:18 |
| angdraug | owners of remaining FFEs, please comment | 16:18 |
| angdraug | xarses: you're first on the list | 16:18 |
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| xarses | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283332/ | 16:18 |
| xarses | .Is the last one of mine that is open, is ready to land, and is waiting for puppet CI to recover from ruby gem jwt 1.5.3 being removed | 16:18 |
| mwhahaha | should be good to +A now | 16:19 |
| mwhahaha | 1.5.4 was released and other items are passing puppet CI now | 16:19 |
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| xarses | mwhahaha: thanks | 16:19 |
| angdraug | lets land it then | 16:19 |
| dklenov | angdraug: confirmed for NFV, thanks | 16:20 |
| mwhahaha | same for the status on the conflicting openstack module parts, the recheck is running now | 16:20 |
| mwhahaha | it'll land shortly | 16:20 |
| xarses | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296668/ | 16:20 |
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| fzhadaev | https://review.openstack.org/293981 will be landed today | 16:20 |
| xarses | angdraug: next | 16:20 |
| angdraug | fzhadaev: thanks | 16:20 |
| angdraug | that leaves ashtokolov | 16:21 |
| ashtokolov | Hi folks! We are very close to landing all our features Unlock Settings. But we still have a set of reviews to be merged. I would like to request extra time till Monday to land them. | 16:21 |
| angdraug | ogelbukh_: you're next, don't fall asleep this time ) | 16:21 |
| ashtokolov | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/branch:master+topic:bp/store-deployment-tasks-history 3 patches to be merged | 16:21 |
| ashtokolov | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open++branch:master+topic:bp/save-deployment-info-in-database 2 patches to be merged | 16:21 |
| ashtokolov | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/branch:master+topic:bp/custom-graph-execution+NOT+status:abandoned 5 patches to be merged | 16:21 |
| ashtokolov | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bp/computable-task-fields-yaql 5 patches to be merged | 16:21 |
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| ashtokolov | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bp/unlock-settings-tab 2 patches to be merged | 16:21 |
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| angdraug | yikes, that's a lot of patches | 16:22 |
| ogelbukh_ | I'm here, yes | 16:22 |
| xarses | o.O | 16:22 |
| ashtokolov | some of them should be landed today | 16:22 |
| aglarendil | ... ashtokolov is typing ... | 16:22 |
| ashtokolov | but we have CI issues with fuel-web repo | 16:22 |
| ashtokolov | *had | 16:22 |
| angdraug | how many of the 17 are ready to land? | 16:22 |
| angdraug | are these 17 it, or will there be more? | 16:22 |
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| aglarendil | ... ashtokolov is counting and typing ... | 16:23 |
| ashtokolov | 7 or 8 are ready to be merged | 16:23 |
| ashtokolov | others are on review | 16:23 |
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| xarses | there appears to be a lot of -1 from ci | 16:23 |
| angdraug | personally, I think this is a hugely important feature and worth some risk | 16:24 |
| ashtokolov | afaik due to python27-db gate issues | 16:24 |
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| ashtokolov | ikalnitsky fixed it today | 16:24 |
| angdraug | but if we keep merging more feature code next week, we'll put SCF date at risk, again | 16:24 |
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| ashtokolov | I would like to request extra time till Monday to land them. | 16:25 |
| xarses | ashtokolov: will we work to land them over the weekend? | 16:25 |
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| angdraug | xarses: I don't see how we can land that much code without it :( | 16:25 |
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| ashtokolov | we will | 16:25 |
| xarses | otherwise I'm not sure Monday is not realistic | 16:25 |
| angdraug | objections to extending FFE to 3/28? | 16:26 |
| mihgen | we need to strive getting these in | 16:26 |
| angdraug | 3/28 is going to be the final deadline, we simply can't push it further | 16:26 |
| xarses | we need 2 cores from each fuel-web, python-fuelclient and fuel-lib to support them this weekend | 16:26 |
| mihgen | I think we need to support ashtokolov and folks as much as we can | 16:26 |
| angdraug | whatver isn't ready by then will have to be left out | 16:26 |
| aglarendil | dibs! | 16:27 |
| xarses | If we have that, then I think we can maybe do that | 16:27 |
| angdraug | ashtokolov: are there outstanding fuelclient/library patches? | 16:27 |
| holser_ | I can handle that | 16:27 |
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| angdraug | holser_: aglarendil: thanks! | 16:27 |
| xarses | (there is one library, and one client by the looks | 16:28 |
| ashtokolov | angdraug nope, only these I mentioned | 16:28 |
| angdraug | romcheg: can you keep an eye on that client patch over the weekend? | 16:28 |
| angdraug | or help it land tomorrow :) | 16:28 |
| romcheg | I will try to make myself free tomorrow | 16:28 |
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| romcheg | :) | 16:28 |
| angdraug | ashtokolov: sounds like the bulk of patches is on python side | 16:28 |
| angdraug | unfortunately we're fairly short on fuel-web cores :( | 16:29 |
| ashtokolov | romcheg was working with us all this week. Thank you! | 16:29 |
| romcheg | ashtokolov: I will take a look at all of them one more time today | 16:29 |
| romcheg | after I'm done with some other stuff | 16:30 |
| ashtokolov | one of them, Bulat was working on patches and can not merge them | 16:30 |
| ashtokolov | one of fuel-web core I mean | 16:30 |
| angdraug | ikalnitsky: looks like you'll have to be the one to merge it | 16:30 |
| ikalnitsky | i'll try to help | 16:30 |
| angdraug | we need a 1-2 volunteers to help ikalnitsky | 16:30 |
| evgenyl | I will try to help too. | 16:31 |
| fzhadaev | Telco team will help with review :) At least tomorrow | 16:31 |
| angdraug | thanks, looks like this can work out | 16:31 |
| akasatkin | I'll try to help as well | 16:31 |
| ashtokolov | Thank you so much, guys! | 16:31 |
| angdraug | thanks everyone for volunteering, much appreciated, you're all awesome! | 16:31 |
| angdraug | ogelbukh_: lets talk about ConfigDB | 16:32 |
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| mihgen | 8) | 16:32 |
| ogelbukh_ | sure | 16:32 |
| yottatsa | :popcorn: | 16:32 |
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| ogelbukh_ | configdb status: | 16:32 |
| ogelbukh_ | 1. API extension being finalized | 16:32 |
| ogelbukh_ | - Code is in openstack/tuning-box repo, available for review | 16:32 |
| ogelbukh_ | - Packaging in progress, integration and dependencies solved, spec pending | 16:32 |
| ogelbukh_ | 2. Deployment task for data upload is in progress in Puppet Master plugin source code tree | 16:32 |
| ogelbukh_ | - Integrated with main plugin body | 16:32 |
| ogelbukh_ | - Tested against mock backend | 16:32 |
| ogelbukh_ | 3. For auth, decided to let the user create service creds and pass to plugin | 16:32 |
| ogelbukh_ | #link https://git.openstack.org/openstack/tuning-box | 16:33 |
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| xarses | ogelbukh_: what is still waiting on fuel internals if anything? | 16:34 |
| ogelbukh_ | so it seems that we won't use the benefits of the FFE and everything will be separated from the fuel core | 16:34 |
| ogelbukh_ | xarses: from configdb standpoint, no | 16:34 |
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| xarses | sounds good | 16:34 |
| ogelbukh_ | xarses: for the end-to-end solution, we depend on osnailyfacter refactoring | 16:34 |
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| angdraug | ogelbukh_: that's all merged since yesterday | 16:34 |
| ogelbukh_ | so we could test puppet-master integration | 16:34 |
| ogelbukh_ | yes, I'm aware of that | 16:35 |
| ogelbukh_ | we plan to start integration tests from Monday | 16:35 |
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| ogelbukh_ | the configdb extension will be finalized by then | 16:35 |
| angdraug | cool, that's a relief | 16:35 |
| xarses | moving? | 16:35 |
| angdraug | yup | 16:36 |
| ogelbukh_ | well, we still expect many raw endge | 16:36 |
| ogelbukh_ | *edges | 16:36 |
| xarses | #topic Revisiting FFE for Reassigning Nodes without Re-Installation (akscram) - https://review.openstack.org/280067 | 16:36 |
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| akscram | This change is ready to be merged, I'm waiting for +A. | 16:36 |
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| xarses | do we have agreement from QA to extend the testing scope to prevent regressions? | 16:37 |
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| angdraug | I looked at this yesterday, it looks like the non-extention impact is just a few lines of code | 16:37 |
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| xarses | angdraug: that was my impression also | 16:37 |
| angdraug | nurla: ^? | 16:37 |
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| akscram | I'm not sure but this change has backward compatibility with the old reassigning mechanism. | 16:38 |
| angdraug | xarses: akscram: can you describe testing scope changes that you want QA to confirm? | 16:38 |
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| akscram | It's very hard because there is no yet the upgrade procedure from 8.0 to 9.0 in the upstream. | 16:39 |
| xarses | angdraug: I just want to feel warm and fuzzy that QA is fine with adding any features at this point | 16:39 |
| angdraug | I'd rather we merge it today to reduce the chance of it interfering with unlock settings tab related work | 16:39 |
| angdraug | I think we're 3 weeks too late for warm and fuzzy | 16:40 |
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| angdraug | with the number of FFEs we've had pending until today, | 16:41 |
| xarses | yep | 16:41 |
| angdraug | I'm pretty sure QA wasn't going to start proper acceptance testing until SCF anyway | 16:41 |
| angdraug | lets just merge this one tiny commit and move on | 16:41 |
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| akscram | Heh, thanks. | 16:42 |
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| xarses | #topic Tag mitaka-3 in fuel git repos (angdraug) | 16:42 |
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| angdraug | I'll be quick | 16:42 |
| angdraug | lets tag our repos with "mitaka-3" tag when we're done with all FFEs | 16:42 |
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| angdraug | we didn't do mitaka-1 and mitaka-2 because we've started late | 16:43 |
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| angdraug | but we should start using the beta tags, and now is a good time | 16:43 |
| xarses | angdraug: +1 | 16:43 |
| angdraug | great, lets move on before anyone objects :) | 16:43 |
| xarses | #topic Fuel Telco Team Status (fzhadaev) | 16:44 |
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| fzhadaev | Two main activities of Telco team on this week were: | 16:44 |
| fzhadaev | 1) Finishing work on DPDK feature (done) | 16:44 |
| fzhadaev | 2) Fixing bugs (8 fixed, 10 in progress) | 16:44 |
| fzhadaev | Any questions? | 16:44 |
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| xarses | awesome, keep up the work | 16:45 |
| xarses | #topic Fuel Network team status (akasatkin) | 16:45 |
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| akasatkin | We work on NFV and other two stories. | 16:45 |
| akasatkin | NFV status was provided already. Other tickets: | 16:45 |
| akasatkin | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/allow-any-vip | 16:45 |
| akasatkin | QA is almost done: Manual testing complete. Auto tests are complete. | 16:45 |
| akasatkin | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/external-lbs | 16:45 |
| akasatkin | QA is in progress: Manual testing complete. Auto tests are in progress. | 16:45 |
| akasatkin | No serious bugs for the moment. | 16:45 |
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| xarses | akasatkin: great to hear those are going well | 16:45 |
| xarses | #topic UI Team status (vkramskikh) | 16:46 |
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| vkramskikh | Hi! Here is our status for 9.0 features: | 16:46 |
| vkramskikh | 1) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/remove-vendor-code - implemented. | 16:46 |
| vkramskikh | 2) NFV stuff - implemented. There are a few known bugs which we've already started fixing. The most important one is to fix bond type for DPDK-enabled bonds - currently it's "linux" but should be "ovs". | 16:46 |
| vkramskikh | 3) https://blueprints.launchpad.net/fuel/+spec/unlock-settings-tab - progress for UI part is about 70%, for further progress working backend is needed. | 16:46 |
| vkramskikh | As for the bugs, there are 38 UI bugs, 10 of them are High. | 16:46 |
| vkramskikh | Questions? | 16:46 |
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| xarses | and urgent issues outside unlock settings? | 16:46 |
| vkramskikh | don't remember any | 16:47 |
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| xarses | ok, thanks | 16:47 |
| yottatsa | For NFV we have one major high bug, that has to be fixed by downstream patch in neutron #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1558613 | 16:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1558613 in Fuel for OpenStack "[SR-IOV] Instance creation fails if there are few sriov nics with same physical network name" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to MOS Neutron (mos-neutron) | 16:47 |
| yottatsa | other seems good so far | 16:48 |
| xarses | thanks | 16:48 |
| xarses | #topic Fuel-mixed team status (pzhurba) | 16:48 |
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| pzhurba | Hi | 16:48 |
| pzhurba | Mixed team was working on bugfixing ,reviews and other duty staffs. | 16:48 |
| pzhurba | All features merged, but We still have a bug in progress, | 16:48 |
| pzhurba | related to conflict between LVM and multipath: | 16:49 |
| pzhurba | https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1559197 | 16:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1559197 in Fuel for OpenStack "lvm broke multipath on provisioned systems" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Sergey Slipushenko (sslypushenko) | 16:49 |
| pzhurba | Now we are working on fixing it | 16:49 |
| pzhurba | Also We have demos scheduled for this week: today for idempotency and insurability | 16:49 |
| pzhurba | and tomorrow for multipath | 16:49 |
| xarses | thanks | 16:50 |
| pzhurba | Any questions? | 16:50 |
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| xarses | #topic Austin Design Summit topics - prepare agenda (holser, angdraug) | 16:50 |
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| angdraug | holser_: you go first :) | 16:50 |
| holser_ | yeah | 16:51 |
| holser_ | I wanted to remind about summit and topics | 16:51 |
| holser_ | We should start working on agenda and topics | 16:51 |
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| kozhukalov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-austin-agenda | 16:51 |
| holser_ | as there will be limited time and participants | 16:51 |
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| kozhukalov | we just need to make it better structured | 16:52 |
| holser_ | better structured | 16:52 |
| holser_ | and pick topics | 16:52 |
| kozhukalov | yes | 16:52 |
| angdraug | we've got 3 fishbowl (large) and 11 workroom (small) sessions approved | 16:52 |
| holser_ | and get the rest offline | 16:52 |
| angdraug | also a full-day contributor meetup on Friday | 16:52 |
| holser_ | I can spent time with PTL to make it clean | 16:52 |
| kozhukalov | but we still don't know who is going to attend this summit | 16:53 |
| angdraug | we should know who can attend by tomorrow | 16:53 |
| xarses | I think we will have to follow up offline and maybe collaborate on it before next week | 16:53 |
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| holser_ | Action item? | 16:54 |
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| xarses | #action holser_ angdraug with collaborate on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-austin-agenda | 16:54 |
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| xarses | #topic open discuss | 16:55 |
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| xarses | hey we haven't had this one in a while | 16:55 |
| angdraug | wow, whole five minutes left :D | 16:55 |
| xarses | we have 5 min left, anyone have something to raise? | 16:55 |
| mwhahaha | glance makes me sad | 16:55 |
| angdraug | mwhahaha: how so? | 16:55 |
| xarses | the CI issue I'm guessing | 16:56 |
| holser_ | CI failures … | 16:56 |
| mwhahaha | yea the TestVM thing | 16:56 |
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| xarses | has that been active today? | 16:56 |
| holser_ | guys are digging into this | 16:56 |
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| mihgen | ikalnitsky: hey have we enabled performance tests for every single patch? | 16:56 |
| kozhukalov | i like the format of infra summit agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-newton-summit-planning | 16:56 |
| ikalnitsky | mihgen: not yet | 16:57 |
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| ikalnitsky | i'll work on it tomorrow | 16:57 |
| kozhukalov | are they green now? | 16:57 |
| ogelbukh_ | any chance to insert some lcm/upgrade agenda in that list? | 16:57 |
| kozhukalov | which list? | 16:57 |
| kozhukalov | fuel? | 16:57 |
| mwhahaha | the galera stuff seems to be fixed as of this morning so that should clean up the CI a bit, but we still have the TestVM failures out there | 16:57 |
| xarses | ogelbukh_: put it in so it can be evaluated | 16:58 |
| angdraug | kozhukalov: yup, good format, holser_ please have a look | 16:58 |
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| holser_ | I am looking | 16:58 |
| kozhukalov | ogelbukh_: sure, just put what you think is important here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-austin-agenda | 16:58 |
| holser_ | Good format | 16:58 |
| holser_ | that can be sent to community | 16:58 |
| angdraug | ogelbukh_: it's #1 on the list atm | 16:58 |
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| ogelbukh_ | got it | 16:58 |
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| angdraug | lets be good neighbours and finish on time :) | 16:59 |
| ogelbukh_ | (I used to read lists from the bottom up) | 16:59 |
| xarses | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 24 16:59:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-03-24-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-03-24-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-03-24-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
| elmiko | hi | 17:00 |
| gmurphy | o/ | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 24 17:00:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | #chair hyakuhei | 17:00 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: hyakuhei | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 17:00 |
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| singlethink | o/ | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | whatup whatup | 17:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 17:00 |
| cjschaef | hi | 17:00 |
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| ccneill | o/ | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | Sup y’all | 17:01 |
| mdong | o/ | 17:01 |
| elmiko | yo hyakuhei | 17:01 |
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| tkelsey | o/ | 17:01 |
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| browne | o/ | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-20160324-agenda | 17:02 |
| shelleea007 | o/ | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | ^ da agenda | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | wootles | 17:02 |
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| michaelxin | hi | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | allright, let's get started | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Anchor | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | saw 0.4.0 is out, eh? | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey, hyakuhei | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah there was an announcement and everything! | 17:03 |
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| tkelsey | hyakuhei: oh nice on getting the announcement out :) | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | It’s pretty stable now, don’t expect much more to happen | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | sick | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah it’s 97% stans work :D | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | (viraptor | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | well what about 1.0 then? | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | Needs 3% more work from Stan :P | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | lol | 17:04 |
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| tmcpeak | Mr. Raptor is a beast | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | what else do you guys need to get it 1.0 status? | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | just bug fixes or new features? | 17:05 |
| browne | stan the man | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | TBH I’m not 100% sure. Not much though. | 17:05 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | I feel like Stan should be coming to these meetings, it's only like 2AM there, right? | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | I know right! | 17:06 |
| elmiko | heh | 17:06 |
| michaelxin | where is Stan? | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | Australia somewhere | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Aus | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Somewhere it’s both warm and snowy. I don’t understand how that work.s | 17:06 |
| michaelxin | Got it. Thanks. | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | allright cool, maybe we can put a roadmap for 1.0 at some point | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | would be nice to declare a victory :) | 17:07 |
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| tmcpeak | http://apjjf.org/data/bush_mission_accomplished.png | 17:07 |
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| elmiko | there is also the question of openstack-iness of anchor, imo | 17:07 |
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| tmcpeak | security is fixed, you can all go home | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: let's discuss | 17:08 |
| elmiko | maybe on the roadmap for 2.0 | 17:08 |
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| tmcpeak | elmiko: what you have in mind? | 17:08 |
| elmiko | well, from my initial browsing of the code for anchor i felt there was room to bring its apis more in alignment with the openstack community | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | ahh cool | 17:08 |
| elmiko | and i think there were a few other minor details | 17:08 |
| elmiko | but, | 17:08 |
| michaelxin | elmiko: +1 | 17:09 |
| elmiko | when i brought this up before we kinda descended into a discussion of how "openstacky" anchor should e | 17:09 |
| elmiko | *be | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: would you mind filing these concerns in launchpad so we can track them? | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | regardless it should at least be on the table for discussion | 17:09 |
| tkelsey | elmiko: interesting, perhaps put up a blueprint for it ? | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | +1 yeah that ^ | 17:09 |
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| elmiko | i can, but i think it would be appropriate to talk with the anchor team first to make sure they are cool with that direction | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | Yup yup | 17:09 |
| elmiko | ok, if you guys want to debate it over a bp i'm down with that | 17:10 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah it's been a while since we had a nice bikeshed party | 17:10 |
| tkelsey | elmiko: its simpler to use async comms with TZs | 17:10 |
| elmiko | hehe | 17:10 |
| elmiko | tkelsey: ack | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | cool, anything else for Anchor? | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | #TODO elmiko to file grievances in BP form | 17:10 |
| elmiko | i have a feeling my suggestions might be quite disruptive though, just a warning | 17:10 |
| elmiko | LOL | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | rofl | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | that's what we love about you | 17:11 |
| elmiko | ;) | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Bandit | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | That’s fine. | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | tkelsey: you've been doing most of the work, what's up here? | 17:11 |
| tkelsey | ok, so 1.0 is so very close now :) | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | OpenStack isn’t the _only_ target for Anchor though ;) | 17:11 |
| tkelsey | I had a quick poll of the cores and I think everyone was happy with the features now | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | yep yep | 17:11 |
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| elmiko | hyakuhei: right, which is why i kinda backed off before | 17:12 |
| tkelsey | so its just bug hunting and fixing, we need a single patch to oslo.messaging to land so browne can get the integration tests green then we are good to go | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | It’s good to have the discussion :) | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | hrmm, I probably changed topic too quick ;) | 17:12 |
| elmiko | cool | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | I'm caffeinated and twitchy | 17:12 |
| elmiko | nah, no worries | 17:12 |
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| tkelsey | I have a few people (internal and external) asking about bugs in 0.17.3 that are fixed in in master | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | cool, browne: what's the status with your infra patch? | 17:13 |
| tkelsey | so I really want to get the release rolle ASAP | 17:13 |
| michaelxin | rahulunair: welcome | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | yeah | 17:13 |
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| tmcpeak | so what do you guys think about doing a 0.99 with all this stuff and then fix bugs to 1.0? | 17:13 |
| tkelsey | I would sooner go full 1.0 | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | I just want 1.0 to be really well tested | 17:13 |
| michaelxin | 1.0 sounds better | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | since this will be the first time many have seen Bandit I want to make sure it's damn good | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | at least a week of real hammering | 17:14 |
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| tmcpeak | but like you said tkelsey there are bugs in 0.17.3 that have been fixed | 17:14 |
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| tmcpeak | and our new config-less option is ready to go, so would be good for people to start using it | 17:14 |
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| browne | tmcpeak: waiting on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286506/ | 17:15 |
| browne | alternatively we could update infra to remove oslo.messaging from the integration for now | 17:15 |
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| tkelsey | browne: yeah, it may come to that. I think I may have to push something monday | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | that seems ok, this one looks bogged down | 17:15 |
| browne | i think the most likely problems we'll have with the 1.0 release is some obscure project using the very initial bandit.yaml which doesn't properly work anymore | 17:15 |
| elmiko | o/ | 17:16 |
| elmiko | ;P | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | that's not our problem though, we've always said this is development status | 17:16 |
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| tmcpeak | that's the big difference between 1.0 and prior to 1.0 IMO | 17:16 |
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| tkelsey | browne: yeah, though I think I have that covered (i'll confirm by grabbing the first config from git and using it) | 17:16 |
| browne | yeah | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | ok so what timeframe you guys thinking for 1.0? | 17:17 |
| browne | tkelsey: might be worthwhile to put that in a unit test | 17:17 |
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| tkelsey | browne: yeah thats not a bad idea | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | 1) remove oslo from integration tests 2) merge in flight stuff 3) test for a week 4) profit? | 17:17 |
| tkelsey | 3 test for 4 days :P | 17:18 |
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| tmcpeak | I have to insist on at least 4.62 days tkelsey, final offer | 17:18 |
| michaelxin | haha | 17:18 |
| tkelsey | is that working days? and can we shift for timezones | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | allright cool, well we'll keep going with this strategy | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | seems like we're well on track for summit release | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | anything else on Bandit? | 17:19 |
| tkelsey | yeah that wont be a problem, its only the bugs in 0.17 that are pushing things a little ahead of schedule | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | yep yep | 17:19 |
| tkelsey | once 1.0 is out then it should be back to release early, release often | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Sec Guide | 17:20 |
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| tmcpeak | elmiko: sicarie | 17:20 |
| sicarie | pretty much the same | 17:20 |
| sicarie | a few bugfixes | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:20 |
| sicarie | We had a good merge on glance image validation I’m going to do a blog write-up for | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | you guys doing anything for it at the summit? | 17:20 |
| sicarie | we had input on that yesterday, will probably get more contributions | 17:20 |
| sicarie | No, but that’s a good idea | 17:20 |
| sicarie | elmiko: Barcelona? | 17:20 |
| sicarie | :D | 17:20 |
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| elmiko | hehe | 17:21 |
| elmiko | could be | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | if you do I'm going to attempt to barrel my way into sec guide participation | 17:21 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: please do, we could use more bodies =) | 17:21 |
| sicarie | +1 | 17:21 |
| sicarie | that’s all I have on the sec-guide | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Syntribos | 17:22 |
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| elmiko | and i don't think we signed up for a sec-guide session, i suppose we could piggyback on doc team | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: ccneill etc | 17:22 |
| michaelxin | before we start | 17:22 |
| michaelxin | we have a new intel team member join us today | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | sick | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | who? | 17:22 |
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| michaelxin | rahulunair: Would you please introduce yourself? | 17:22 |
| rahulunair | Hi all, I am rahul, just joined the team a day back. | 17:23 |
| michaelxin | Now, we have two rackers and one Intel team member working on this. | 17:23 |
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| michaelxin | full time | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | awesome! | 17:23 |
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| michaelxin | now, it is ccneill, mdong and rahulunair's turn | 17:23 |
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| tmcpeak | good stuff | 17:23 |
| tkelsey | :) | 17:23 |
| ccneill | welcome, rahulunair! | 17:23 |
| sicarie | +1 welcome! | 17:23 |
| mdong | yep, welcome to the team, rahulnair! | 17:24 |
| bknudson | welcome! | 17:24 |
| elmiko | welcome aboard rahulunair =) | 17:24 |
| mdong | as Michael said, as part of Rackspace’s OSIC initiative, we now have three people dedicated full time to work on Syntribos | 17:24 |
| rahulunair | thanks all, i am excited to be here. | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | OSIC? | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | Welcome rahulunair :) | 17:25 |
| mdong | Rackspace and Intel | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | that's awesome, I'm excited to see Syntribos grow | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | Ah yeah, exciting times! | 17:25 |
| ccneill | hyakuhei: http://osic.org | 17:25 |
| mdong | sorry, can’t have that sort of ommision! | 17:25 |
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| elmiko | ccneill: neat | 17:25 |
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| hyakuhei | very | 17:26 |
| mdong | so we have been using Syntribos to test Solum for the past two weeks, which has been pretty valuable as a test run to see how it performs in a real world environment | 17:26 |
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| hyakuhei | How did it do? | 17:27 |
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| mdong | we’ve got a lot of work to do, but with 3 people now dedicated to this project, we’re going to have some real movement towards our goal of providing test coverage across Openstack products | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | That’s awesome | 17:28 |
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| mdong | one of the things it’s taught us is that the tests we’ve written for it needs to be more robust | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | Very sensible | 17:28 |
| ccneill | we're starting to track our weekly meetings on the OpenStack etherpad | 17:28 |
| ccneill | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/syntribos-planning | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | +1, very cool | 17:28 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:28 |
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| michaelxin | +2 | 17:28 |
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| mdong | there’s a whole bunch of blueprints | 17:29 |
| ccneill | we typically do them on our internal video conferencing software, but if there are others who want to join, I imagine we can figure something out for more folks to join us | 17:29 |
| mdong | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/syntribos/ | 17:29 |
| mdong | we’ll be cleaning this up and prioritizing the blueprints in the very near future | 17:29 |
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| tmcpeak | this is impressive, looks like you're all tooling up to make something cool :) | 17:30 |
| ccneill | we've also started tracking potential small roadmap items here\ | 17:30 |
| mdong | anyway I don’t have anything else on Syntribos, but I’m definitely excited for the potential of this project | 17:30 |
| ccneill | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/syntribos-glitches | 17:30 |
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| ccneill | these will probably get filtered into BPs eventually | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | cool, I'm excited to see how it goes | 17:30 |
| ccneill | BPs/CRs | 17:30 |
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| ccneill | if anyone is an expert in sphinx + OpenStack docs, ping me after the meeting | 17:31 |
| elmiko | very encouraging to see this level of progress | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | browne is :P | 17:31 |
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| ccneill | trying to figure out how to document the code, not just have a long README | 17:31 |
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| tmcpeak | cool.. | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Summit Planning | 17:32 |
| michaelxin | nice | 17:32 |
| elmiko | i think we have enough knowledge around here that we could easily make a patch to syntribos to add a doc strucutre | 17:32 |
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| michaelxin | elmiko: +1 | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | who wants to do what | 17:32 |
| ccneill | elmiko: that would be awesome :) | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | we have fishbowls, something, something | 17:32 |
| elmiko | ccneill: i'll take a look at the code this afternoon | 17:32 |
| redrobot | any fishbowls for BYOK? Or any news of adding it to the cross-project track? | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | I will be at summit now so I'll work with browne, bknudson, and redrobot to promote Bandit | 17:33 |
| bknudson | great! | 17:33 |
| ccneill | elmiko: awesome. thank you! | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | redrobot: Good question. I’m not sure. A feys ago the Design summit wiki/etherpad wasn’t up | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: poke, BYOK | 17:33 |
| michaelxin | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | ^^ | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | :P | 17:34 |
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| hyakuhei | I’d like to have more to choose from here guys: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-newton-summit-brainstorm | 17:34 |
| elmiko | i also noticed there is a cross project session on the instance user issue, i think it would be worthwhile if a few ossp folks could attend that | 17:34 |
| elmiko | (i'm going to try) | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | how big is a fishbowl? | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | what's the biggest room we have? | 17:34 |
| michaelxin | Will everyone be in the summit? | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | certainly not :) | 17:34 |
| redrobot | fishbowl=large room, also listed on the schedule for wide audience participation | 17:35 |
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| * ccneill won't be :( | 17:35 | |
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| hyakuhei | Yup | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko: linky? | 17:35 |
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| singlethink | I won't be either :-( | 17:35 |
| michaelxin | how many design sessions will we have? | 17:35 |
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| elmiko | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cross-project-sessions | 17:36 |
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| hyakuhei | Dank | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | *e | 17:36 |
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| hyakuhei | #action hyakuhei to add some cross project proposals for BYOK, Anchor, Threat Analaysis | 17:38 |
| redrobot | in case anyone is interested | 17:38 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-barbican-design-sessions | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | I wonder if we should do Bandit here in the cross project | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | Bandit overview | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | All can be done using Security time/space too if required | 17:38 |
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| elmiko | tmcpeak: it seemed to me that the intention of the cross-project stuff was to address issues and questions, not necessarily as intro/tutorial type sessions | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: ah, gotcha | 17:39 |
| elmiko | more design related | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | not a good opportunity to pimp Bandit gates? | 17:39 |
| elmiko | could be, but address it like "should all projects have bandit gates?" | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | gotcha | 17:39 |
| elmiko | or "we propose ..." | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:39 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:40 |
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| tmcpeak | well if we're going to do one of those my vote lies with TA | 17:40 |
| elmiko | speaking of that, i'm putting up a change to have sahara's bandit gate go voting =D | 17:40 |
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| hyakuhei | woohoo | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: sweet! | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | wait, are you guys passing? | 17:40 |
| michaelxin | +100 | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | :P | 17:40 |
| ccneill | niice | 17:40 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: yup, went through all the issues and we are green now | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | or are you using baseline? | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | sweet! | 17:41 |
| elmiko | took awhile because we use too much pickle | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | allright | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | pickle dependence is a hard habit to break ;) | 17:41 |
| elmiko | heh, yeah | 17:42 |
| bknudson | yay! | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | #topic OSSN | 17:42 |
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| bknudson | what did you replace pickle with? | 17:42 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah good question | 17:42 |
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| tmcpeak | elmiko: ^ | 17:43 |
| elmiko | well, we haven't replaced it yet. but i went through and insured that our usage will not introduce security issues, that was the time consuming part. | 17:43 |
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| tmcpeak | ahh, would be good to add something to sec guidance based on whatever you find | 17:44 |
| elmiko | we have a TODO to evaluate options in how we handle our ssh transactions (which are the majority of our pickle usages) | 17:44 |
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| bknudson | great | 17:44 |
| bknudson | it makes me feel much better that it's ssh related. | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: you have a code example you can point me to? | 17:44 |
| elmiko | i really didn't want to just mark everything as nosec, so i did a deep dive on every warning/error produced | 17:44 |
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| tmcpeak | +1 | 17:45 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: sure, give me a few | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | coool | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | so this is the part of the meeting we try to bum note writers | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | we've got a couple interesting looking issues | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn/+bug/1507841 | 17:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1507841 in OpenStack Security Notes "mongodb guest instance allows any user to connect" [Undecided,New] | 17:45 |
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| tmcpeak | this looks fun for anybody that wants to write a note and hasn't written one or hasn't written one in a while | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | anyways, please sign up for a bug if you're so inclined and have the bandwidth | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | I still need to go after one. | 17:46 |
| elmiko | that sounds kinda bad | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | yeah | 17:47 |
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| tmcpeak | #topic AOB | 17:47 |
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| elmiko | tmcpeak: probably our most prominent example of pickle, https://github.com/openstack/sahara/blob/master/sahara/utils/procutils.py#L46 | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: have you been elected fearless leader again yet? | 17:47 |
| elmiko | it used deep in sahara for deploying some specific commands to the cluster nodes | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | By default I think | 17:47 |
| gmurphy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293147/ | 17:48 |
| gmurphy | can i get a review of this please? | 17:48 |
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| elmiko | but, the commands that generated by the pickle are isolated to sahara's usage only and won't accept outside input. so i felt ok adding a nosec | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | gmurphy: sure | 17:48 |
| gmurphy | (changes to security guidelines) | 17:48 |
| gmurphy | guidance | 17:48 |
| gmurphy | or whatever its called | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko: thanks for the reference, I'll do some reads after the meeting :) | 17:48 |
| elmiko | gmurphy: ack, i'll take a look | 17:49 |
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| tmcpeak | elmiko: wait, so what are you guys doing here? | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | why not use paramiko with parameterized input? | 17:49 |
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| elmiko | tmcpeak: i'd need to look into paramiko further, but that might be a possible solution | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | ok, yeah seems like a more direct way of doing what you're trying to do :) | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | maybe I'm missing context though | 17:51 |
| elmiko | essentially there are some bits of python that we encapsulate and send to the cluster nodes | 17:51 |
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| tmcpeak | just make sure you wrap all calls with parameterization because paramiko runs on a shell | 17:51 |
| singlethink | On the (off-)topic of summits, is anyone attending the Linux Collaboration Summit? | 17:51 |
| elmiko | right, hence my todo. this needs a much deeper inspection to replace, its at the of some sahara functionality | 17:51 |
| elmiko | *the core | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | cool, let me know if you'd like a second set of eyes | 17:52 |
| elmiko | tmcpeak: definitely, thanks! | 17:52 |
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| elmiko | singlethink: sadly, not me =( | 17:52 |
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| tmcpeak | ooh Squaw | 17:52 |
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| tmcpeak | I'm actually going the squaw the following weekend | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | maybe I should build some business case to go a little early :P | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | = | 17:53 |
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| hyakuhei | Sorry ^^ cat | 17:53 |
| singlethink | (I won't be able to make the OpenStack Summit but I thought it might be a chance to meet up if anyone's going...) | 17:53 |
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| hyakuhei | I think it would be interesting to talk about how we’re doing security for OpenStack at other open source-y conferences. | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | looks like some good security stuff here | 17:54 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:55 |
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| singlethink | hyakuhei: I think that would be useful | 17:55 |
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| tmcpeak | allright anything else or shall we wrap? | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | Wrap it up :) | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | allright, thanks everybody | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | #endmeeting | 17:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 24 17:56:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-03-24-17.00.html | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-03-24-17.00.txt | 17:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-03-24-17.00.log.html | 17:56 |
| tkelsey | thanks all | 17:56 |
| tmcpeak | have a good week | 17:56 |
| ccneill | o/ | 17:56 |
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