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toabctl | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 2 13:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is toabctl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:00 |
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dirk | o/ | 13:00 |
toabctl | hi. dirk is FTO so I try to lead the meeting today | 13:00 |
toabctl | oh. here he is :) | 13:00 |
dirk | But listening only :-) | 13:01 |
toabctl | please add your agenda points to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:01 |
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toabctl | hm. looks like nobody is here today... | 13:03 |
IgorYozhikov | щ. | 13:04 |
IgorYozhikov | o/ | 13:04 |
toabctl | ok. let's start | 13:04 |
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toabctl | #topic pypi urls. use pypi.io | 13:05 |
*** openstack changes topic to "pypi urls. use pypi.io (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:05 | |
dirk | Is it going to stay there? | 13:05 |
toabctl | using pypi.python.org for downloading files is a bit more complicated now because you have to update the Source url in the spec whenever you update a spec to a new version | 13:05 |
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dirk | It says it is preproduction | 13:05 |
toabctl | #link https://bitbucket.org/pypa/pypi/issues/438/backwards-compatible-un-hashed-package | 13:06 |
toabctl | ^^ this is the full discussion about the topic | 13:06 |
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toabctl | suggestion is to use pypi.io which is pypi "2.0" | 13:06 |
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IgorYozhikov | toabctl, does that mean that previous path syntax should work? | 13:07 |
toabctl | both systems use the same data (so uploading to pypi.python.org is the same as using pypi.io) | 13:07 |
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toabctl | IgorYozhikov, yes | 13:07 |
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IgorYozhikov | sounds good, links will be shorter | 13:07 |
dirk | +1 | 13:07 |
toabctl | and updates of specs easier | 13:07 |
IgorYozhikov | yey | 13:08 |
toabctl | #agreed use pypi.io for Source urls | 13:08 |
toabctl | let's switch order and do reviews at the end | 13:08 |
toabctl | #topic renderspec extending with deb support template | 13:08 |
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toabctl | IgorYozhikov, your turn | 13:09 |
IgorYozhikov | yes | 13:09 |
IgorYozhikov | I have an idea about using same approach for DEB as we already use for RPM | 13:09 |
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IgorYozhikov | We made working POC based on renderspec | 13:10 |
IgorYozhikov | but it use dh-python instead of pymod2pkg | 13:10 |
IgorYozhikov | difficulty here - dh-python can't be installed from pypi | 13:10 |
IgorYozhikov | only from source code repo or from package | 13:11 |
toabctl | hm. afaik is dh-python something different than pymod2pkg | 13:11 |
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dirk | Do you need that dependency just for package name generation ? | 13:11 |
dirk | Or is this more? | 13:11 |
toabctl | and does zigo know about that? :) | 13:12 |
dirk | I am not very familiar with how that works | 13:12 |
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IgorYozhikov | dirk, yes we decide to use dh-python because of native deb name resolution | 13:12 |
IgorYozhikov | zigo knew | 13:12 |
toabctl | IgorYozhikov, how is the name resolution done with dh-python? do you already have a patch to review for renderspec? | 13:13 |
IgorYozhikov | he asked to add auto-fill up from requirements.txt file from particular project | 13:13 |
IgorYozhikov | toabctl, I posted link in etherpad to our git repo | 13:14 |
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toabctl | ah. cool | 13:14 |
IgorYozhikov | at 1ts we need to polish the code | 13:14 |
IgorYozhikov | before get it back to upstream | 13:14 |
toabctl | hm. I get a "not found" for https://review.fuel-infra.org/gitweb?p=packaging/renderspec-deb.git;a=tree;h=refs/heads/master;hb=refs/heads/master | 13:14 |
dirk | IgorYozhikov: sounds great, happy to review that after we got the 1.0.0 release out | 13:15 |
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* dirk still walking through that | 13:16 | |
toabctl | I'm also fine with adding support for deb if it's useful for you | 13:16 |
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IgorYozhikov | toabctl, I'll update gerrit ACL to let you view code, sorry | 13:16 |
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toabctl | hm. so renderspec is no longer the right name if we add deb support :) | 13:16 |
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toabctl | IgorYozhikov, imo it would be best to get a changeset where we can discuss it and see how it works. | 13:17 |
IgorYozhikov | sure | 13:17 |
IgorYozhikov | we just want to get it working 1st | 13:17 |
toabctl | sure | 13:18 |
IgorYozhikov | and as the 2nd step - return back | 13:18 |
IgorYozhikov | as for me renderspec sounds fine due package specification :) | 13:18 |
toabctl | true :) | 13:19 |
toabctl | anything else about renderspec deb support? | 13:19 |
IgorYozhikov | nope. | 13:19 |
toabctl | #topic reviews | 13:19 |
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toabctl | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/(project:openstack/rpm-packaging+OR+openstack/renderspec+OR+openstack/pymod2pkg)+AND+is:open | 13:19 |
toabctl | there are plenty of changes ready for review now. | 13:20 |
IgorYozhikov | I didn't upload anythin since last meeting, we are very close to HCF in MOS, sorry :( | 13:20 |
toabctl | np. I did it :) | 13:20 |
toabctl | I also started to create new spec files | 13:20 |
toabctl | IgorYozhikov, if you find some minutes it would be nice to review thoses where dirk already give his +2 . I think theses could be merged quickly | 13:21 |
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IgorYozhikov | toabctl, already looking for oslo.utils | 13:22 |
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toabctl | thx | 13:23 |
toabctl | about the client packages - I think all of them are reviewed but they need more work | 13:23 |
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toabctl | mivanov, do you plan to address the comments soon? or should somebody else fix it? | 13:24 |
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mivanov | I will update them, but hcf in mos is coming | 13:25 |
dirk | toabctl: I'll review the others later | 13:25 |
IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324220/1 +2.1 | 13:26 |
dirk | number80 said he'd be able to help with reviews | 13:26 |
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number80 | o/ | 13:26 |
number80 | I'll be taking some reviews today and tomorrow morning | 13:26 |
toabctl | great | 13:27 |
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toabctl | IgorYozhikov, there are some reviews where your CI fails. i.e. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324222/ | 13:28 |
toabctl | ah.it's about No Package found for python-oslo-utils >= 3.11.0 | 13:29 |
IgorYozhikov | toabctl, it depends on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324220/ | 13:29 |
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IgorYozhikov | after merge our ci will publish new package | 13:30 |
toabctl | IgorYozhikov, I see. we are not filling the versions for the BuildRequires. that's why it's passing for suse | 13:30 |
IgorYozhikov | I'll go though the change of green review today | 13:30 |
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toabctl | ok | 13:30 |
toabctl | anything else about reviews? | 13:30 |
IgorYozhikov | yes, we are filling all versions using G-R | 13:31 |
toabctl | IgorYozhikov, global-requirements from where? | 13:31 |
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IgorYozhikov | master | 13:31 |
toabctl | so not from https://github.com/openstack/rpm-packaging/blob/master/global-requirements.txt ? | 13:31 |
IgorYozhikov | you can see it in artifacts of JJobs | 13:31 |
toabctl | ok. so you are using the ones from the requirements.txt repository | 13:32 |
toabctl | eh, requirements repository (without txt) | 13:32 |
dirk | IgorYozhikov: that can potentially cause bootstrap issues | 13:33 |
dirk | I still have the requirements sync on todo | 13:33 |
IgorYozhikov | dirk, how? | 13:33 |
dirk | Hopefully will get to it before next werk | 13:33 |
dirk | Week | 13:33 |
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IgorYozhikov | toabctl, is it normal - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324220/ still not merged? | 13:34 |
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toabctl | IgorYozhikov, hm. I guess yes. It needs some time | 13:36 |
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IgorYozhikov | good, will wait and retrigger all red jobs today | 13:37 |
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toabctl | #topic open discussion | 13:37 |
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toabctl | anything else? | 13:37 |
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IgorYozhikov | may be i missed somth, when we are going to release 1.0.0? | 13:38 |
toabctl | IgorYozhikov, for renderspec? | 13:38 |
IgorYozhikov | yes | 13:38 |
toabctl | IgorYozhikov, there are still 2 open reviews. iirc dirk wants to have them in | 13:39 |
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IgorYozhikov | ok | 13:39 |
toabctl | so reviews welcome :) | 13:39 |
IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311565/1 +2.1 yaml safe load :) | 13:40 |
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toabctl | IgorYozhikov, looking at http://status.openstack.org/zuul/ and filtering for rpm - then you see the gating job which is afaik responsible for merging | 13:41 |
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dirk | IgorYozhikov: I didn't want the safe.load yet | 13:42 |
IgorYozhikov | toabctl, thanx | 13:42 |
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dirk | I was mostly blocked on preparing the release Jenkins jobs | 13:42 |
dirk | Which is now almost done since today | 13:42 |
IgorYozhikov | o i c | 13:42 |
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IgorYozhikov | anything else? | 13:43 |
toabctl | nope | 13:43 |
toabctl | #endmeeting | 13:44 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 2 13:44:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:44 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-06-02-13.00.html | 13:44 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-06-02-13.00.txt | 13:44 |
toabctl | thanks everybody | 13:44 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-06-02-13.00.log.html | 13:44 |
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slashme | #startmeeting freezer | 14:04 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 2 14:04:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slashme. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:04 |
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yangyapeng | :0 | 14:05 |
yangyapeng | :) | 14:05 |
slashme | Hello everyone | 14:05 |
EinstCrazy | hello | 14:05 |
ddieterly | hello | 14:05 |
slashme | As usual, the agenda is available here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:05 |
szaher | Hi | 14:05 |
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slashme | Feel free to add anything there | 14:06 |
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slashme | Okay, First topic | 14:11 |
slashme | #topic mid-cycle meetup | 14:11 |
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slashme | It will happen in Galway I suppose. | 14:12 |
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m3m0 | location: philiphines | 14:12 |
ddieterly | so the last meeting we discussed end of july in galway | 14:12 |
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jonaspf | I'll be in Germany between 19/07 and 29/07 | 14:13 |
ddieterly | does anyone have the link to the meeting minutes from last week? | 14:13 |
szaher | I'll be in Egypt from 18 Jun till 23rd of July | 14:14 |
ddieterly | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/ | 14:14 |
m3m0 | so no philiphines :( | 14:15 |
ddieterly | so, last meeting we voted for the last week of july, i believe | 14:16 |
slashme | And I'll be out 27/07 yo 18/08 | 14:16 |
ddieterly | july 25 | 14:16 |
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ddieterly | you europeans and your wacky way of showing dates ;-) | 14:17 |
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ddieterly | so then can we do first week of august? | 14:17 |
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slashme | A one day event should be enought this time I think. No ? | 14:17 |
ddieterly | i can't justify a trip for one day :-( | 14:17 |
ddieterly | i think deamontool said that he was unavailable in auguest | 14:18 |
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slashme | I am unavailable in august as well | 14:18 |
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ddieterly | if we go to september, that is not really mid-cycle though | 14:19 |
slashme | ddieterly: yes | 14:19 |
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ddieterly | july 11? | 14:21 |
slashme | ddieterly: regarding your travel issues, we can arrange for some skype/hangout. | 14:21 |
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ddieterly | @slashme ok | 14:21 |
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ddieterly | i can also schedule a trip independently to get some face time | 14:21 |
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ddieterly | so, it seems pretty much up in the air at this point? | 14:26 |
slashme | It seems like it is going to be hard to get everyone here physicaly (ddieterly, szaher, jonaspf) | 14:26 |
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slashme | Let's agree on a date and have people joining virtualy | 14:27 |
ddieterly | +1 | 14:27 |
slashme | We don't have as much things as last time to discuss | 14:27 |
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slashme | I'm okay with 15th of July | 14:29 |
ddieterly | works for me (virtually) | 14:29 |
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slashme | Okay. | 14:31 |
slashme | There is no other points in the agenda today (except the pending reviews) | 14:31 |
ddieterly | i had a question about the reviews | 14:32 |
slashme | Anyone has a topic he/she wants to discuss ? | 14:32 |
slashme | Go ahead | 14:32 |
ddieterly | usually, before +2/A a review in other projects, we would have tests or, a reviewer would test the patch himself | 14:32 |
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ddieterly | are people doing that in freezer? testing the patch before +2/A? | 14:33 |
yangyapeng | agree | 14:33 |
ddieterly | this takes a lot of work, but it definitely safe time in the long run | 14:33 |
ddieterly | s/safe/saves | 14:34 |
slashme | What a reviewer should do before approving a patch: | 14:34 |
yangyapeng | We should be more timely review | 14:34 |
slashme | - Read the code | 14:34 |
slashme | - Check for the presence of a bug-id or blueprint-id | 14:34 |
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slashme | - Test the code | 14:34 |
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slashme | - Check for documentation of the code (Both comment and addition to the doc) | 14:35 |
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slashme | - Check if the mappings have been updated accordingly if necessary | 14:35 |
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slashme | Anything to add to this ? | 14:36 |
ddieterly | looks good, i think the testing of code will definitely slow down the review process | 14:36 |
ddieterly | i think that each patch should have unit tests and integration tests as well before approved | 14:37 |
slashme | +1 | 14:37 |
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slashme | Any other comments on that ? | 14:41 |
slashme | Or topic you want to discuss ? | 14:41 |
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ddieterly | kind of a slow day | 14:43 |
szaher | For me I am good. Thanks :) | 14:43 |
szaher | I would appreciate If we can review this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324529/ | 14:43 |
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slashme | And these patches are also waiting for reviews: | 14:45 |
slashme | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312430/ | 14:45 |
slashme | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315939/ | 14:45 |
slashme | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318551/ | 14:45 |
slashme | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323644/ | 14:45 |
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ddieterly | szaher will https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324529/ address the issues that mohan found? | 14:48 |
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szaher | ddieterly: which issues ? | 14:50 |
szaher | Can you give me a link to that issues ? | 14:50 |
ddieterly | bura-479 | 14:50 |
ddieterly | unable to start a default job | 14:50 |
ddieterly | the version field in the db seems to be the issue | 14:51 |
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szaher | ddieterly: I think this patch is the one solved the problem https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322928/ | 14:51 |
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ddieterly | how long does it usually take to get from stable/mitaka to hp/prerelease/mitaka? | 14:53 |
szaher | Einstcrazy: plz check my comments https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324529/ | 14:53 |
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szaher | ddieterly: it's landed already | 14:54 |
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EinstCrazy | well, I think the second one my comment may be a clear way . Anyway all is ok | 14:55 |
ddieterly | so then it could not have fixed the issue | 14:55 |
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EinstCrazy | either is ok | 14:55 |
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szaher | EinstCrazy: I just wanted to know what is the difference between if do_update and if not do_update ? | 14:56 |
domhnallw | It's neater to do "if not do_update"... and return and unindent the larger block that happens if do_update, I guess? | 14:56 |
domhnallw | Readability? | 14:57 |
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EinstCrazy | o, I think the code may be like this | 14:59 |
EinstCrazy | # check if doc_type exists or not | 14:59 |
EinstCrazy | if self._check_mapping_exists(doc_type): | 14:59 |
EinstCrazy | do_update = self.prompt('[[[ {0} ]]] already exists in index => {1}' | 14:59 |
EinstCrazy | ' <= Do you want to update it ? (y/n) ' | 14:59 |
EinstCrazy | .format(doc_type, self.index) | 14:59 |
EinstCrazy | ) | 14:59 |
EinstCrazy | if not do_update: | 14:59 |
EinstCrazy | return {'acknowledged': False} | 14:59 |
EinstCrazy | return self.elk.indices.put_mapping(doc_type=doc_type, body=body, | 14:59 |
EinstCrazy | index=self.index) | 14:59 |
EinstCrazy | but anyway I think either is ok | 14:59 |
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ddieterly | meeting is about to end | 15:00 |
ddieterly | ciao! | 15:00 |
yangyapeng | #openstack-freezer? | 15:00 |
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ddieterly | bye bye | 15:00 |
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vponomaryov | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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bswartz | freezer guys you going to end meeting? | 15:01 |
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toabctl | vponomaryov, afaik only the moderator can end the meeting | 15:01 |
ddieterly | slashme you need to end the meeting, i think | 15:01 |
slashme | Oops | 15:02 |
slashme | #endmeeting freezer | 15:02 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 2 15:02:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:02 |
bswartz | thank you! | 15:02 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-06-02-14.04.html | 15:02 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-06-02-14.04.txt | 15:02 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-06-02-14.04.log.html | 15:02 |
slashme | Sorry about that | 15:02 |
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bswartz | np | 15:02 |
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bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 2 15:02:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:02 |
cknight | Hi | 15:02 |
mkoderer__ | hello | 15:02 |
toabctl | hey | 15:02 |
gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:02 |
rraja | hi | 15:02 |
dustins | \o | 15:02 |
tbarron | hi | 15:02 |
ganso | hello | 15:02 |
dgonzalez | Hi | 15:02 |
vponomaryov | hello | 15:02 |
zhongjun_ | hello | 15:02 |
markstur_ | hi | 15:02 |
xyang | hi | 15:02 |
Yogi1 | Hi | 15:03 |
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vkmc | hi o/ | 15:03 |
bswartz | #topic N-1 milestone | 15:03 |
gouthamr | bswartz: disconnect your dot matrix printer | 15:03 |
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bswartz | gouthamr: lol | 15:03 |
bswartz | that was a joke | 15:03 |
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gouthamr | :) | 15:04 |
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markstur_ | always a glitch in the dot matrix printer | 15:04 |
bswartz | so due to lots of distractions I haven't cut the N-1 milestone yet | 15:04 |
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bswartz | but I'm going to today | 15:04 |
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bswartz | any changes that need to be in? | 15:04 |
bswartz | ganso: we can see messages | 15:05 |
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bswartz | okay I'm going to assume we're all good with N-1 and push the milestones then | 15:06 |
bswartz | I had hoped more specs would be merged by now | 15:06 |
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bswartz | but we can continue to wrap those up in N-2 | 15:06 |
ganso | bswartz: I am getting a lot of lag :( | 15:06 |
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bswartz | I'm actually pleased with the amount of specs and the amount of detail in them | 15:06 |
vponomaryov | ganso: you have printer too? )) | 15:06 |
bswartz | I think we need more reviews though | 15:07 |
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mkoderer__ | we need to priotize spec reviews | 15:07 |
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bswartz | I'm blaming my core router for the slowness -- I'll debug it later today | 15:07 |
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bswartz | let's move on to important things | 15:08 |
bswartz | #topic Decision on APIv1 removal for newton | 15:08 |
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bswartz | we discussed this last week | 15:08 |
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bswartz | it's been deprecated long enough | 15:09 |
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bswartz | the question is whether it's more effort to keep v1 in or take it out | 15:09 |
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bswartz | and also if there are any compelling ${reasons} to keep it other than general angst about breaking old things | 15:10 |
vponomaryov | keep means continuous maintenance, it is endless | 15:10 |
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bswartz | I think we mostly leaned towards taking it out now | 15:10 |
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bswartz | vponomaryov: removing things takes effort too, and we'll never stop removing things | 15:10 |
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vponomaryov | bswartz: it is less amount of efforts in long term | 15:11 |
vponomaryov | anyway | 15:11 |
gouthamr | vponomaryov: when you say continuous maintenance, do you mean we need to maintain CI support for the v1 API? Do we, today? | 15:11 |
bswartz | did anyone think of a good reason to keep v1 in the last week? | 15:11 |
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vponomaryov | gouthamr: we run lots of tests using v1 in tempest | 15:11 |
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ganso | bswartz: the only good reason I thought about if effort to maintain it is None | 15:12 |
tbarron | ganso had a customer that he was going to check on? | 15:12 |
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mkoderer__ | just #vote ? | 15:12 |
gouthamr | vponomaryov: oh.. shares_client uses v1 routes? #TIL | 15:12 |
ganso | tbarron: yes, but the customer will also upgrade everything to liberty, and liberty is still V1 compatible | 15:13 |
vponomaryov | gouthamr: yes | 15:13 |
bswartz | #startvote Fate of the v1 API in newton? Remove, Keep | 15:13 |
tbarron | ganso: k, customers were my only concern | 15:13 |
openstack | Begin voting on: Fate of the v1 API in newton? Valid vote options are Remove, Keep. | 15:13 |
openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:13 |
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gouthamr | #vote Remove | 15:13 |
dustins | #vote Remove | 15:13 |
zhongjun_ | Maybe we could put this in maillist and let more people to know this change? Get more feadback about whether there are any strong objections? | 15:13 |
vponomaryov | #vote Remove | 15:13 |
xyang | #vote Remove | 15:13 |
cknight | #vote Remove | 15:13 |
markstur_ | #vote Remove | 15:13 |
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zhongjun_ | my #vote Remove | 15:14 |
toabctl | #vote Remove | 15:14 |
bswartz | 20 more seconds | 15:14 |
bswartz | #endvote | 15:14 |
openstack | Voted on "Fate of the v1 API in newton?" Results are | 15:14 |
openstack | Remove (7): toabctl, gouthamr, xyang, cknight, vponomaryov, markstur_, dustins | 15:14 |
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bswartz | it is decided! | 15:14 |
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bswartz | who wants to push the patch to remove it? | 15:15 |
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cknight | bswartz: I nominate vponomaryov | 15:15 |
gouthamr | bswartz zhongjun_'s right... maybe there are some clients out there that we don't know about, mailing list will give them a head start that v1 is removed in newton.. | 15:15 |
bswartz | zhongjun_: btw your vote wasn't counted | 15:15 |
bswartz | yes definitely I'll do a ML post about it | 15:15 |
tbarron | +1 | 15:16 |
bswartz | the N release is still 4.5 months away | 15:16 |
mkoderer__ | dgonzalez: we do have to update openstack4j, right? ;) | 15:16 |
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dgonzalez | That's already happening | 15:16 |
mkoderer__ | dgonzalez: ok | 15:16 |
bswartz | vponomaryov: do you feel comfortable writing the patch to remove v1? | 15:16 |
gouthamr | mkoderer__ dgonzalez: you're using v2 :) | 15:16 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: yes | 15:17 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: it will be not one patch | 15:17 |
xyang | bswartz: if any customer is using it, I’m pretty sure he/she will vote for No. I don’t know if ganso’s customer is following the ML | 15:17 |
bswartz | we can remind everyone that v2.0 is identical to v1 and v2.1 is where we started making changes | 15:17 |
vponomaryov | bswartz: first step - remove usage, and I am aware about that OpenStack Rally uses v1 still | 15:17 |
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bswartz | although v2.0 does require use of microversions | 15:18 |
ganso | xyang: it is fine, I am working it out with the customer :) | 15:18 |
xyang | ganso: ok:) | 15:18 |
bswartz | alright I think we can move on | 15:18 |
bswartz | #topic Model updates from drivers | 15:19 |
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bswartz | This is a topic that we started last week but ran out of time for | 15:19 |
bswartz | I think the idea was generally understood | 15:19 |
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mkoderer__ | bswartz: is there a spec? | 15:20 |
bswartz | But we have no spec for it, an no implementer | 15:20 |
mkoderer__ | ok ;) | 15:20 |
bswartz | mkoderer__: no -- I was looking for early feedback which might influence the spec | 15:20 |
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zhongjun_ | Is there a link to show this bug in launchpad? | 15:20 |
* mkoderer__ needs to read the old meeting logs | 15:20 | |
xyang | bswartz: I’m very hesitant on making this change, given how strongly we advocated not to do any db update from driver in the past | 15:21 |
bswartz | zhongjun_: this isn't a bug, it's a proposal to change the driver interface significantly | 15:21 |
bswartz | xyang: the goal of this proposal is to retain the level of safegaurds we have today on drivers hacking the DB | 15:21 |
zhongjun_ | bswartz: Oh | 15:21 |
bswartz | however there are unavoidable problems with the current approach | 15:21 |
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mkoderer__ | I am a big fan of not having any driver related db tables | 15:22 |
bswartz | yeah this would not allow that | 15:22 |
ganso | mkoderer__: we have private storage | 15:23 |
ganso | mkoderer__: driver's* private storage db table | 15:23 |
vponomaryov | ganso: tsss | 15:23 |
mkoderer__ | ganso: never saw that | 15:23 |
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ganso | lol | 15:23 |
bswartz | just to re-summarize the proposal, I'd like a way for drivers to update the DB multiple times during a single operation, but each update would be limited to what they can currently return in a model update, or perhaps even less | 15:23 |
tbarron | tssss == shhhh ? | 15:24 |
ganso | tsss sounds like a snake | 15:24 |
vponomaryov | tbarron: yes )) | 15:24 |
bswartz | driver private storage is a place for drivers to persist information that nobody but the driver cares about, but the schema is unchangeable by drivers | 15:24 |
tbarron | vponomaryov: ty | 15:24 |
mkoderer__ | bswartz: so it would be basically something like key value pairs in a table? | 15:25 |
bswartz | mkoderer__: that's what driver private storage is | 15:25 |
gouthamr | mkoderer__: yes | 15:25 |
mkoderer__ | sounds not that bad | 15:26 |
ganso | but what we are discussing are the main db tables, not driver's private storage | 15:26 |
bswartz | this proposal is to have the manager pass an object into the driver's methods which it can use to manipulate the DB whenever it likes during that method call -- not just at the end | 15:26 |
bswartz | the object would severely limit which tables and fields could be updated | 15:26 |
vponomaryov | right, it is really useful to be able to save intermediate results | 15:27 |
bswartz | and the object would have a lifetime of just 1 driver method call | 15:27 |
tbarron | i wonder if there is any precedent for this from other projects, for comparison purposes | 15:27 |
ganso | bswartz: maybe we could limit the amount of calls the driver can make as well? | 15:27 |
bswartz | ganso: what are you worried about? | 15:28 |
ganso | bswartz: driver spamming updates | 15:28 |
tbarron | nothing against manila pioneering here, just trying to be informed | 15:28 |
bswartz | tbarron: I'm not aware of anything like this -- I mentioned how manila already started doing this kind of thing by attaching model updates to exceptions | 15:28 |
bswartz | ganso: hopefully that would be caught in code review | 15:28 |
ganso | bswartz: hopefully | 15:29 |
xyang | bswartz: I’m afraid that once we open the door for this, we’ll get more and more requests and eventually open it up for everything | 15:29 |
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xyang | bswartz: what is reason not to allow driver to do db update directly? | 15:29 |
bswartz | xyang: if the requests were for good reasons, why wouldn't we want to say yes? | 15:29 |
vponomaryov | xyang: why everything? we provide object and only this object can be updated | 15:29 |
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bswartz | I can't imagine it every becoming wide open though -- that's the point of using an object to mediate access | 15:30 |
jcsp | does anyone have a specific use case for driver private information? in ceph, we do have to store things, but we store them in ceph. | 15:30 |
bswartz | s/every/ever/ | 15:30 |
xyang | vponomaryov: I’m just saying there will be more and more cases once this gets started | 15:30 |
mkoderer__ | jcsp: +1 | 15:30 |
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vponomaryov | jcsp: look at ZFSonLinux driver | 15:30 |
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bswartz | jcsp: IMO that's superior to using the manila DB | 15:30 |
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jcsp | vponomaryov: without me reading the code right now, what is it that that drive needs private data for? | 15:31 |
xyang | jcsp: generic driver also uses private data | 15:31 |
vponomaryov | jcsp: there we store info specific to ZFS dataset | 15:31 |
ganso | jcsp: manage/unmanage | 15:31 |
vponomaryov | jcsp: kind of mapping of share ID and dataset | 15:31 |
bswartz | jcsp: not all backends have a place to store metadata about shares I guess | 15:31 |
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bswartz | oh yes that's a good case vponomaryov | 15:32 |
bswartz | jcsp: consider a backend with a name length limit of less than 32 characters | 15:32 |
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vponomaryov | jcsp: and we require it in case of replication when we need to read other backend's dataset name | 15:33 |
bswartz | on such a backend, you can't simply name the share by UUID, you need to generate your own naming scheme | 15:33 |
vponomaryov | jcsp: when it is impossible to recalculate name of dataset using some template | 15:33 |
bswartz | and you need to store the mapping from the manila UUID to the actual name on the backend somewhere | 15:33 |
jcsp | couldn't you all just open source your backends and then change them to do what you need ;-) | 15:33 |
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markstur_ | :) | 15:33 |
mkoderer__ | haha | 15:33 |
mkoderer__ | +1 | 15:34 |
tbarron | jcsp: +1 | 15:34 |
vponomaryov | jcsp: we already do what we need | 15:34 |
toabctl | we should vote on that ;) | 15:34 |
gouthamr | ideal world :) | 15:34 |
bswartz | okay we're getting off track | 15:34 |
dustins | hahaha | 15:34 |
bswartz | we still need a spec for this proposal to have a proper discussion | 15:34 |
bswartz | but I think we know what some of the early objections might be, so we can attempt to address those in the spec | 15:35 |
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bswartz | #topic Midcycle meetup | 15:35 |
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bswartz | so after deciding that this summer is not the right time to do a europe-based midcycle, I sort of dropped the ball on planning this | 15:36 |
bswartz | We know that the meetup will be mostly virtual as before | 15:37 |
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bswartz | And we're happy to host people here in RTP if anyone wants to travel | 15:37 |
bswartz | but main priority is to set the date | 15:38 |
ganso | bswartz: +1 | 15:38 |
bswartz | Cinder has set theirs 19-22 July | 15:38 |
mkoderer__ | maybe just one week after the cinder one? | 15:39 |
bswartz | that's the week after N-2 | 15:39 |
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toabctl | can we use a doodle or so to get an overview? | 15:39 |
bswartz | mkoderer__: I actually think the cinder one is ridiculously late | 15:39 |
mkoderer__ | bswartz: ok then before | 15:39 |
cknight | bswartz: +1 | 15:39 |
mkoderer__ | I didn't planed my vacation yet... :) | 15:40 |
bswartz | holding a midcycle in N-3 means you have 4 weeks until feature freeze afterwards | 15:40 |
zhongjun_ | mkoderer__: haha +1 | 15:40 |
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ganso | mkoderer__: I also depend on the date definition to plan my vacation | 15:40 |
xyang | bswartz: it was moved to this late date because of some activities in Fort Collins earlier | 15:40 |
bswartz | I'd prefer for ours to be in late June I think | 15:40 |
xyang | bswartz: no hotels | 15:41 |
bswartz | of course that would be pretty short notice becuase it's early june now | 15:41 |
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vponomaryov | gouthamr lol | 15:42 |
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xyang | bswartz: what about before n-2 | 15:42 |
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bswartz | wtf? someone's nick is early? | 15:43 |
bswartz | I'm sorry early | 15:43 |
gouthamr | vponomaryov: if there is, he probably never joins fun meetings :) | 15:43 |
markstur_ | that's 2 more | 15:43 |
bswartz | okay so the reasonable weeks are: | 15:43 |
bswartz | Jul 11-15 (week of N-2 milestone) | 15:43 |
bswartz | Jul 04-08 (US holiday week) | 15:44 |
bswartz | Jun 27- Jul 01 | 15:44 |
xyang | week of N-2 will be very bad | 15:44 |
ganso | xyang: why? | 15:44 |
gouthamr | us holiday week will be bad :) | 15:44 |
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xyang | ganso: need to do code reviews | 15:45 |
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ganso | xyang: oh cinder has N-2 deadlines, right? | 15:45 |
bswartz | gouthamr: less than half of us are US-based | 15:45 |
xyang | ganso: yes. Manila too | 15:45 |
ganso | xyang: we do? | 15:45 |
xyang | ganso: we need to cut n-2 as well | 15:46 |
mkoderer__ | sound like Jun 27- Jul 01 ? | 15:46 |
bswartz | the deadline we enforce for N-2 is the major feature proposal deadline | 15:46 |
xyang | ganso: manila needs to cut n-2, so lots of reviews need to be done that week | 15:46 |
bswartz | I agree it would be ideal to avoid the N-2 week | 15:46 |
ganso | xyang: oh yes but nothing like "drivers need to be merged by N-2", unless I am very lost on our deadlines | 15:46 |
xyang | ganso: no | 15:46 |
bswartz | and we might lose some US-based people if we do it the July 4th week | 15:46 |
bswartz | anyone have problems with Jun 27- Jul 01 ? | 15:47 |
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dustins | I'm down with that | 15:47 |
bswartz | that's just 4 weeks away | 15:48 |
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bswartz | anyone who would like to travel to attend locally who that will cause problems for? | 15:48 |
markstur_ | other weeks are worse -- not expecting travel approval anyway | 15:49 |
bswartz | okay 1 more question before we move on | 15:49 |
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bswartz | in the past we've done Tues/Wed and Wed/Thurs | 15:49 |
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bswartz | we've expanded from 1.5 days to 2 whole days -- will 2 days be enough or should we look at a third day? | 15:50 |
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bswartz | and if 2 days, which 2 days are preferred? | 15:50 |
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mkoderer__ | depends on the topics.. should we collect them first? | 15:51 |
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bswartz | at austin we didn't come close to covering all topics in the time we had | 15:51 |
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ganso | bswartz: I think we could shoot for 3 days to not prevent in-depth discussions | 15:52 |
bswartz | how about we plan on Tuesday/Wednesday -- then if we feel like we're getting too much material we can expand into Thursday? | 15:52 |
ganso | bswartz: last midcycle I had the feeling that we did not discuss many things as we do in summits | 15:52 |
ganso | bswartz: +1 | 15:52 |
dustins | Works for me | 15:52 |
mkoderer__ | bswartz: +1 | 15:53 |
xyang | +1 | 15:53 |
vponomaryov | +1 | 15:53 |
zhongjun_ | +1 | 15:53 |
gouthamr | +1 | 15:53 |
mkoderer__ | we need to do proper timeboxing IMO | 15:53 |
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ganso | mkoderer__: and follow them | 15:53 |
bswartz | okay so the proposal is Jun 28 and 29 with possible June 30th too | 15:53 |
bswartz | I'll send out an ML post about that as well, and make it official if no major problems are raised | 15:54 |
bswartz | okay 1 last topic, not sure if we have enough time | 15:54 |
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bswartz | #topic New spec - Extending share networks to span subnets | 15:54 |
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bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323646/ | 15:54 |
gouthamr | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323646 | 15:54 |
gouthamr | thanks bswartz | 15:54 |
ganso | my vacation dates have just been decided :) | 15:54 |
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mkoderer__ | gouthamr: I am already reviewing this | 15:55 |
gouthamr | just wanted to bring this to your attention.. | 15:55 |
gouthamr | mkoderer__: nice :) | 15:55 |
gouthamr | thank you.. | 15:55 |
mkoderer__ | gouthamr: you'll get me feedback tomorrow | 15:55 |
gouthamr | mkoderer__: sure. | 15:55 |
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mkoderer__ | but I need to have a closer look to neutron AZ implementation | 15:56 |
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gouthamr | yes, the blueprint linked there will give you the basic outline | 15:56 |
mkoderer__ | seems this release is very network centric :) | 15:57 |
gouthamr | i've dug deep into their code paths... our AZ idea is built around their current implementation | 15:57 |
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bswartz | mkoderer__: share servers inevitably get tangled up with networking issues | 15:57 |
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gouthamr | i'd be happy to get reviewer feedback on that spec.. | 15:58 |
gouthamr | that's all i had bswartz | 15:58 |
bswartz | yes... | 15:58 |
bswartz | I'd be happy if everyone reviewed all the specs | 15:58 |
gouthamr | +1 | 15:58 |
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bswartz | I've done a few in-depth reviews but there are many more to look at | 15:59 |
gouthamr | we've only merged one so far.. | 15:59 |
bswartz | so please keep up with the spec reviews | 15:59 |
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bswartz | gouthamr: it's a new process this release -- we'll learn what works and refine it for ocata | 15:59 |
gouthamr | +1 | 16:00 |
bswartz | we're out of time | 16:00 |
bswartz | thanks all | 16:00 |
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bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 2 16:00:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-06-02-15.02.html | 16:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-06-02-15.02.txt | 16:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-06-02-15.02.log.html | 16:00 |
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xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:00 |
xarses | #chair xarses | 16:00 |
xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:00 |
xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:00 |
xarses | Who's here? | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 2 16:00:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:00 |
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xarses | o/ | 16:01 |
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iberezovskiy | hi | 16:01 |
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gardlt | o/ | 16:02 |
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mwhahaha | hi. | 16:02 |
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xarses | I just realized that the agenda wasn't updated for todays meeting | 16:03 |
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xarses | please take a moment to move your topics =) | 16:03 |
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xarses | #topic Telco Team Status (vsakharov) | 16:04 |
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vsakharov | Hello! | 16:04 |
vsakharov | Our team continues fixing bugs: | 16:04 |
vsakharov | * Done from the last update - 4 | 16:04 |
vsakharov | * In progress (in development and on review) - 12 | 16:04 |
vsakharov | Our second activity is scoping features for 10.0. | 16:04 |
vsakharov | For now there are two features in work: SR-IOV+DPDK and DPDK+VXLAN. There are no any updates from last meeting yet. | 16:04 |
vsakharov | That's all. | 16:04 |
vsakharov | Any questions? | 16:04 |
degorenko | hi | 16:04 |
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ezpz | o/ | 16:04 |
xarses | thanks vsakharov | 16:04 |
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xarses | #topic ubuntu_vlan_ha job doesn't actually test the patch set - do we need it? (iberezovskiy, degorenko) | 16:05 |
*** openstack changes topic to "ubuntu_vlan_ha job doesn't actually test the patch set - do we need it? (iberezovskiy, degorenko) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:05 | |
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iberezovskiy | this week me and degorenko found out that ubuntu_vlan_ha job | 16:05 |
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iberezovskiy | (which runs on each patch set to fuel-library) rebuilds fuel-library | 16:05 |
iberezovskiy | package on the patch but it doesn't actually update it on master node. | 16:05 |
iberezovskiy | as a result we have deployed environment without patch applied. and as | 16:05 |
iberezovskiy | result the patch isn't actually tested in ha configuration. | 16:05 |
iberezovskiy | e.g. patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321086/ (#1 patch set) | 16:05 |
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iberezovskiy | #link https://ci.fuel-infra.org/job/master.fuel-library.pkgs.ubuntu.smoke_neutron/5369/ | 16:05 |
iberezovskiy | #link https://ci.fuel-infra.org/job/master.fuel-library.pkgs.ubuntu.neutron_vlan_ha/9387/ | 16:06 |
iberezovskiy | so, our suggestion is the one of: | 16:06 |
iberezovskiy | 1. update this jobs to make patch set actually tested | 16:06 |
iberezovskiy | or 2. remove this jobs totally because it doesn't show what's wrong with the patch | 16:06 |
iberezovskiy | thoughts? | 16:06 |
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degorenko | and we have same issue for puppet upstream jobs i guess | 16:06 |
xarses | what isn't applied the new fuel library? | 16:06 |
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degorenko | yes, master node is not updated during tests | 16:07 |
degorenko | so, actually we don't have our patch for ubuntu_vlan_ha job | 16:07 |
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mwhahaha | i'm pretty sure it is applied | 16:07 |
mwhahaha | if not it seems that we need to fix the job not remove it | 16:07 |
xarses | mwhahaha: +1 | 16:08 |
degorenko | that's why we raised this topic | 16:08 |
mwhahaha | DEBUG: Executing command: ['/usr/bin/yum-builddep', '--installroot', '/var/lib/mock/epel-7-x86_64/root/', '--releasever', '7', '/var/lib/mock/epel-7-x86_64/root//builddir/build/SRPMS/fuel-library10.0-10.0.0-8493.2.gerrit321086.1.gitc62b3ac.src.rpm'] with env {'LANG': 'en_US.UTF-8', 'TERM': 'vt100', 'SHELL': '/bin/bash', 'LC_MESSAGES': 'C', 'PROMPT_COMMAND': | 16:08 |
mwhahaha | 'printf "\x1b]0;<mock-chroot>\x07<mock-chroot>"', 'HOME': '/builddir', 'PATH': '/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin', 'HOSTNAME': 'mock'} and shell False | 16:08 |
xarses | but we patch it properly in smoke_neutron? | 16:08 |
degorenko | mwhahaha, just take a look on links shared by iberezovskiy | 16:08 |
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iberezovskiy | this jobs builds package, but doesnt update the master node with them | 16:08 |
mwhahaha | or is it an artifact from no more docker | 16:08 |
degorenko | you will see - that one job has old fuel-library package | 16:08 |
mwhahaha | yea i'm trying to track it down in the output :D | 16:09 |
mwhahaha | anyway it should be fixed | 16:09 |
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degorenko | bookwar_, mattymo are you here? | 16:09 |
iberezovskiy | if I'm not mistaken, mattymo said that's it's expected behavior, that's why we're asking | 16:10 |
degorenko | yes | 16:10 |
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degorenko | and we were surprised to hear that | 16:10 |
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xarses | seems that we should fix the job | 16:10 |
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xarses | we still need to test neutron vlan | 16:10 |
iberezovskiy | bookwar_, ^ | 16:10 |
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iberezovskiy | +1 to fix of course, I wanna see every patch set tested in ha mode | 16:11 |
degorenko | also +1 for fix | 16:12 |
xarses | ok, lets plan on fixing it then, who's taking lead for that? | 16:12 |
degorenko | ci-team? | 16:12 |
mwhahaha | we need to verify that it's not actually being updated cause if it wasn't shouldn't tests always pass but they fail | 16:12 |
xarses | degorenko: can you file a bug? | 16:13 |
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iberezovskiy | I can | 16:13 |
xarses | #action iberezovskiy will file a bug to fix ubuntu_vlan_ha job so that it tests the right fuel-library package | 16:13 |
xarses | #topic Response to BVT failures (mwhahaha) | 16:14 |
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mwhahaha | I'd like to bring to attention the way we handle BVT failures. I believe that if we identify the patch that causes the BVT failure, the correct course of action is to revert the offending patch to unblock BVT. | 16:14 |
mwhahaha | Then we can merge whatever fix is required to put the functionality back in after BVT has been unblocked. | 16:14 |
mwhahaha | I'm raising this because BVT was broken yesterday (starting 6/1 @3:39PM Jenkins time) due to a change in the way astute handles DHCP checker responses, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322201/. | 16:14 |
mwhahaha | Instead of merging the revert, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324053/, we proceded to merge two changes to fix the DHCP checker, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323352/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323437/. | 16:14 |
mwhahaha | While I agree that this particular issue needed to get addressed, I do not believe that we should have spent so much time to address the original bug causing the BVT failure when a revert followed on by the DHCP checker update could have been done afterwards. | 16:14 |
mwhahaha | The main issue I have here is that we're so close to HCF for 9.0 and we've now lost over an entire day for fixes to land in master and be backported because we spent time trying to fix the way DHCP checker works rather than going back to the original state. | 16:14 |
mwhahaha | I was concerned that what if the DHCP checker update introduces more BVT blocking issues. | 16:14 |
mwhahaha | I believe in the future we should lower our risk by reverting the offending patch and then doing additional testing rather than force it in because BVT is blocked. | 16:14 |
mwhahaha | I thought this was the established workflow for such things, if not I would propose that this be written down and followed as the correct way to handle such failures in the future. Thanks. | 16:14 |
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xarses | mwhahaha: it was my undersanding that revert first was the correct course of action | 16:15 |
mwhahaha | mine as well, but this was not followed. | 16:16 |
mwhahaha | additionally the offending original patch was merged while bvt was red | 16:16 |
iberezovskiy | as far as I know the correct flow was always to revert the patch | 16:16 |
xarses | in the rare case that it's a typo, it might make sense to fix it. but still we should revert back to passing first | 16:16 |
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holser_ | o/ | 16:16 |
mwhahaha | hopefully bvt will clear up (it's still running), but we need to pay attention to this better | 16:17 |
mwhahaha | additionally when BVT is broken, it needs to be a priority to all cores | 16:17 |
xarses | mwhahaha: it should be clear on the wiki, if not feel free to update it and send out a mail about it | 16:17 |
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mwhahaha | oh a side note that we need to find a solution for the wiki | 16:18 |
mwhahaha | my understanding is that it's going away at some point | 16:18 |
xarses | oh? | 16:18 |
xarses | can you take an action to figure out the next steps there? | 16:19 |
mwhahaha | https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev%40lists.openstack.org/msg83371.html | 16:19 |
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mwhahaha | i know puppet openstack is moving off of it as well. just thought i'd mention it. if more details surface i'll take an action item to come up with something else | 16:21 |
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mwhahaha | anyway that's all i've got | 16:21 |
xarses | #topic open discuss | 16:21 |
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xarses | any one have anything else to raise? | 16:21 |
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xarses | ok, thanks everyone | 16:23 |
xarses | #endmeeting | 16:23 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:23 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 2 16:23:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:23 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-06-02-16.00.html | 16:23 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-06-02-16.00.txt | 16:23 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-06-02-16.00.log.html | 16:23 |
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hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 16:59 |
tmcpeak | #startmeeting security | 16:59 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 2 16:59:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:59 |
tmcpeak | lol | 16:59 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 16:59 |
openstack | tmcpeak: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 17:00 |
hyakuhei | #chair tmcpeak | 17:00 |
openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 17:00 |
tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
singlethink | o/ | 17:00 |
diazjf | o/ | 17:00 |
hyakuhei | o/ | 17:00 |
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tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:00 |
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sicarie | o/ | 17:01 |
dg___ | sup guys | 17:01 |
tmcpeak | whatup dg___! | 17:01 |
tmcpeak | you add more underscores e'rytime | 17:02 |
hyakuhei | Hey everyone, I hope elmiko took good care of you all last time around! | 17:02 |
tmcpeak | he is good and fair | 17:02 |
michaelxin | he did | 17:02 |
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michaelxin | o/ | 17:02 |
tmcpeak | also he can't make it today, but sends his regards | 17:02 |
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hyakuhei | No worries. Seems like a quiet room today. I guess we’re only two minutes in | 17:03 |
ccneill | o/ | 17:03 |
hyakuhei | Hey ccneill | 17:03 |
ccneill | hola | 17:03 |
hyakuhei | ok I guess we’ll roll onwards! | 17:03 |
hyakuhei | #topic Anchor | 17:03 |
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hyakuhei | I’m not aware of anything exciting going on. | 17:03 |
lhinds | hey all | 17:04 |
dg___ | Ive not touched anchor in the last couple of weaks, not sure about Tim | 17:04 |
hyakuhei | Tim isn’t here, I haven’t added anything - dg___ ? | 17:04 |
dg___ | narp | 17:04 |
hyakuhei | lol, ok I guess we can move on to the next issue then :) | 17:04 |
tmcpeak | Bandit is similarly skips | 17:04 |
tmcpeak | nothing new | 17:04 |
hyakuhei | Ok | 17:04 |
michaelxin | after long weekend | 17:04 |
hyakuhei | #topic Bandit | 17:04 |
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hyakuhei | pass | 17:04 |
hyakuhei | #topic Syntribos | 17:05 |
michaelxin | everyone is catching up | 17:05 |
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michaelxin | We are still testing Syntribos against the broken API | 17:05 |
michaelxin | and improving the existing tests. | 17:05 |
ccneill | mdong has a spreadsheet showing some results from our test runs against vAPI | 17:05 |
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hyakuhei | Oh cool, is it somewhere we can share / take a look ? | 17:06 |
ccneill | we're trying to collect data at each step along the way to see how our false positive/negative rates improve over time | 17:06 |
ccneill | sec | 17:06 |
mdong | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14Lkd1xiEPDhKEBGq3bmYf36c30p9qiWvvd0RsHLUQjI/edit#gid=0 | 17:06 |
mdong | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14Lkd1xiEPDhKEBGq3bmYf36c30p9qiWvvd0RsHLUQjI/edit#gid=0 | 17:06 |
ccneill | boom | 17:06 |
hyakuhei | Oooh, I smell some big-data on the horizon! | 17:06 |
ccneill | beat me to it | 17:06 |
ccneill | haha hyakuhei maybe not quite "big data" | 17:06 |
ccneill | but I'm not gonna lie, I definitely want to turn this data into graphs ;) | 17:06 |
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tmcpeak | this is against the vuln app, yeah? | 17:07 |
ccneill | yep | 17:07 |
tmcpeak | sweet | 17:07 |
hyakuhei | Excellent! I think this is a very interesting project. Have you had many contributions outside OpenStack or outside Rack ? | 17:07 |
ccneill | I'm working on some architectural changes that will make test-writing easier | 17:07 |
ccneill | we have a design session / demo on that today | 17:07 |
ccneill | hyakuhei: we did get one small CR from browne, but otherwise it's mostly the OSIC folks at this point | 17:07 |
tmcpeak | ccneill: one thing we did early on for Bandit that helped was get a couple of posts out | 17:08 |
tmcpeak | Reddit, Twitter, etc | 17:08 |
tmcpeak | get some publicity | 17:08 |
tmcpeak | brought people outside OpenStack | 17:08 |
ccneill | tmcpeak: I think we're juuuust about ready to do a PR push | 17:08 |
ccneill | we're getting there | 17:08 |
hyakuhei | Good points | 17:08 |
tmcpeak | sweet | 17:08 |
ccneill | got a few things I think we want to tackle first, like removing opencafe and making installation easier | 17:09 |
hyakuhei | Sounds good | 17:09 |
ccneill | but we'll probably be there in the next few weeks | 17:09 |
ccneill | I think that's it for us | 17:09 |
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tmcpeak | awesome | 17:09 |
hyakuhei | Excellent, thank you! | 17:09 |
hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:09 |
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hyakuhei | So there’s a couple of _good_ OSSN stuck in the queue | 17:10 |
tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:10 |
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tmcpeak | this the right link? | 17:10 |
tmcpeak | looks security-doc | 17:10 |
tmcpeak | we have a separate one for ossn, yeah? | 17:10 |
hyakuhei | Narp | 17:11 |
hyakuhei | Same repo | 17:11 |
hyakuhei | Probably some gerrit magic can improve it | 17:11 |
tmcpeak | I was thinking LP | 17:11 |
hyakuhei | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267800/6 | 17:11 |
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tmcpeak | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 17:11 |
hyakuhei | Not a search link but an example of something we should have had out much sooner | 17:11 |
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hyakuhei | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313896/2/security-notes/OSSN-0068 Especially | 17:12 |
tmcpeak | ooh gotcha | 17:12 |
hyakuhei | Can I get a couple of people to take a look at that and review please? | 17:12 |
tmcpeak | I will | 17:12 |
lhinds | regarding 0068 (ratre-limiting) should I add some keystone core folks to help review? | 17:12 |
michaelxin | sure | 17:12 |
hyakuhei | Sure | 17:12 |
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lhinds | will do | 17:12 |
hyakuhei | Good plan. | 17:13 |
hyakuhei | So there’s wider chatter about rate limiting that continues | 17:13 |
hyakuhei | bug 1572966 | 17:13 |
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hyakuhei | Ok so that’s private because it talks to lots of things but the point is that we keep getting DoS reports for services | 17:14 |
hyakuhei | That are just HTTP services. That’s kind of how HTTP works. | 17:14 |
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tmcpeak | "by design. #yolo" | 17:14 |
lhinds | very true | 17:14 |
hyakuhei | hehe yeah | 17:14 |
hyakuhei | So the movement is to have a ‘party-line’ or set peice of advice for when these issues come up | 17:15 |
lhinds | I will make a push on the security guide section on rate limiting. | 17:15 |
hyakuhei | This OSSN will probably be that so it needs lots of reviews | 17:15 |
tmcpeak | this is kind of what lhinds has written, yeah? | 17:15 |
hyakuhei | lhinds: good plan | 17:15 |
tmcpeak | yeah | 17:15 |
hyakuhei | tmcpeak: exactly | 17:15 |
tmcpeak | cool | 17:15 |
lhinds | it will be like 0068, but covering all the different services | 17:16 |
hyakuhei | Awesome | 17:16 |
lhinds | give them guidance, but make caveat known, that its there cloud, with its own characteristics | 17:16 |
lhinds | there/their | 17:17 |
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hyakuhei | It’s HTTP dummies :P | 17:17 |
tmcpeak | extra points if you use the word dummies in the note and guide section | 17:17 |
hyakuhei | ok so if people can get lots of eyes on 0068 I’d really appreciate it. | 17:17 |
michaelxin | haha | 17:17 |
lhinds | I will try and make the first word of each sentence using d u m m i e s | 17:18 |
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tmcpeak | perfect | 17:18 |
tmcpeak | and yeah, will review | 17:18 |
lhinds | first letter i mean (long day) | 17:18 |
michaelxin | will review too | 17:18 |
hyakuhei | Thanks ya’ll | 17:18 |
hyakuhei | Happy to move on? | 17:19 |
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tmcpeak | yip | 17:19 |
hyakuhei | #topic Midcycle | 17:19 |
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hyakuhei | Reminder that the signup is over here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-security-midcycle-N | 17:19 |
tmcpeak | we figure out where yet? | 17:19 |
tmcpeak | and confirmed we're doing those dates? | 17:20 |
michaelxin | not yet. | 17:20 |
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hyakuhei | diazjf ? | 17:20 |
diazjf | hyakuhei, tmcpeak: Elvin and I are working on getting rooms. By any chance did you get any funding? | 17:20 |
hyakuhei | There was talk of doing it IBM Austin, I saw some internal traffic about it but I haven’t seen much on it recently. | 17:20 |
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hyakuhei | I’m hoping to bring it up in a meeting later today. | 17:21 |
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michaelxin | So, we will do it in IBM austin. | 17:22 |
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michaelxin | I also need to update my leaders about this assp. | 17:22 |
diazjf | hyakuhei, let me know. I will try and book some rooms in the meantime. | 17:22 |
michaelxin | Just want to get confirmation. | 17:22 |
hyakuhei | Probably! I just need to find the right stone to squeeze some blood from. | 17:22 |
hyakuhei | michaelxin: Yup | 17:22 |
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michaelxin | Sound like a good plan to me. | 17:22 |
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michaelxin | I will let my leaders know that they do not need to worry about this. | 17:23 |
michaelxin | :-) | 17:23 |
michaelxin | Thanks diazjf and hyakuhei | 17:23 |
hyakuhei | Righto, I’ve fired off a quick email about that but I’ll try to chase. | 17:23 |
diazjf | hyakuhei, If you need I can send you the info of the costs, etc, and who to talk to | 17:23 |
diazjf | michaelxin, No Problem :) | 17:23 |
michaelxin | hyakuhei: Am I the only one thinking that you are still working for HP? | 17:24 |
hyakuhei | Ah sorry. | 17:24 |
hyakuhei | I work for IBM now | 17:24 |
hyakuhei | along with diazjf | 17:24 |
michaelxin | haha | 17:24 |
dg___ | lol | 17:24 |
hyakuhei | and about a million other people | 17:24 |
hyakuhei | ok, any more for midcycle? | 17:25 |
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michaelxin | ask people to signup | 17:25 |
hyakuhei | Other than on IRC you mean? | 17:25 |
hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-security-midcycle-N | 17:26 |
michaelxin | we do it again with Barbican team? | 17:26 |
hyakuhei | Hopefully yes | 17:26 |
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hyakuhei | #topic Publicity | 17:28 |
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hyakuhei | Anything tmcpeak ? | 17:28 |
tmcpeak | nopes | 17:28 |
tmcpeak | should do something else | 17:28 |
tmcpeak | could use the help | 17:28 |
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tmcpeak | but I doubt anybody that isn't doing serious openstack work for their org would have time | 17:28 |
hyakuhei | Trudat. | 17:29 |
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hyakuhei | #topic Docs | 17:29 |
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hyakuhei | sicarie: ? | 17:29 |
sicarie | very little going on | 17:29 |
sicarie | I'm otherwise occupied, as is elmiko, so we're slowing at the moment | 17:29 |
sicarie | it should ramp up next month | 17:30 |
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hyakuhei | Righto! There was a nice post-summit surge. | 17:31 |
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hyakuhei | #topic Blog | 17:31 |
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sicarie | Yeah, it was good to get the initial push - I need to be better about bugging the people on the Neutron team to push forward on the bugs they have | 17:31 |
hyakuhei | So I unbroke it a while ago and setup an IFTT recipie to alert me each time a new post lands | 17:31 |
hyakuhei | by ‘alert’ it changes the colour of the lights in my house :D | 17:32 |
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tmcpeak | haha | 17:32 |
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tmcpeak | #todo everybody go hack Rob's house | 17:32 |
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hyakuhei | Party time! | 17:32 |
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tmcpeak | lol | 17:33 |
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dg___ | :-D | 17:33 |
hyakuhei | Anything else on blogstuff? | 17:33 |
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tmcpeak | nopes | 17:34 |
hyakuhei | #topic TA | 17:34 |
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hyakuhei | dg___: ? | 17:34 |
tmcpeak | what's our plan to go forward with the work we had for kolla? | 17:34 |
hyakuhei | I moved the vulnerability_managed review into the ta part of the agenda. | 17:34 |
dg___ | hyakuhei and I need to work through what we have, meet with steve from the kolla team to progress it | 17:35 |
dg___ | hyakuhei lets talk on skype, set something up for next week? | 17:35 |
hyakuhei | Sounds good to me. | 17:35 |
tmcpeak | I think we have all the artifacts we need, yeah? | 17:35 |
dg___ | maybe | 17:35 |
hyakuhei | Most of. They were supposed to build them out further I think. We need to re-sync | 17:36 |
hyakuhei | dg___: and I probably need to meet in the same office for a few hours | 17:36 |
dg___ | we have a lot of information across a lot of etherpads, need to consolidate and then follow up | 17:36 |
tmcpeak | dg___: +1 | 17:36 |
dg___ | hyakuhei sounds like a plan, shame you broke! | 17:36 |
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tmcpeak | surely IBM has an office in hyakuhei's little village | 17:37 |
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hyakuhei | Indeed they do | 17:37 |
dg___ | yup wales can work | 17:37 |
hyakuhei | Excellent. | 17:38 |
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hyakuhei | Anything else on TA? | 17:38 |
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dg___ | did you see the email from Steve on the kolla team? | 17:38 |
hyakuhei | A little while back but I’m way behind. | 17:39 |
dg___ | np | 17:39 |
hyakuhei | #topic Any other business | 17:39 |
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sicarie | So this thread posted to -dev today, looks like the middle of another conversation | 17:40 |
sicarie | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096447.html | 17:40 |
sicarie | Might be something worth taking a look at, but mostly is keystone stuff | 17:40 |
hyakuhei | Interesting, thanks for flagging it. I spoke with Jamie about this a while back | 17:40 |
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tmcpeak | anything else? | 17:42 |
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hyakuhei | Not from me | 17:43 |
tmcpeak | \o~ | 17:43 |
michaelxin | nothing | 17:43 |
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tmcpeak | sick, allright, have a good week everybody | 17:43 |
hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:43 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:43 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 2 17:43:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:43 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-06-02-16.59.html | 17:43 |
hyakuhei | Thanks all! | 17:43 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-06-02-16.59.txt | 17:44 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-06-02-16.59.log.html | 17:44 |
tmcpeak | thanks hyakuhei | 17:44 |
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michaelxin | Thanks | 17:44 |
michaelxin | bye | 17:44 |
ccneill | o/ | 17:44 |
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