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| * hughhalf notes that the Product Working Group Regional meeting will start shortly | 01:59 | |
| hughhalf | Ok :) | 02:00 |
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| hughhalf | #startmeeting product_working_group | 02:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 7 02:00:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hughhalf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 02:00 |
| hughhalf | Welcome to the Regional Product WG Meeting folks :) | 02:00 |
| hughhalf | We have a short agenda here | 02:00 |
| hughhalf | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 02:00 |
| shintaro | hi | 02:00 |
| hughhalf | lets start with a roll call though please | 02:01 |
| kazuIchikawa | hi | 02:01 |
| leong | o/ | 02:01 |
| kei_ | o/ | 02:01 |
| hughhalf | o/ | 02:01 |
| rockyg | o/ might not be able to stay for long... | 02:01 |
| hughhalf | thats ok rockyg I suspect it will be a fairly short meeting today | 02:01 |
| hughhalf | Any other roll calls if not we'll move on to the first agenda item | 02:02 |
| leong | sound good | 02:02 |
| hughhalf | Ok | 02:02 |
| hughhalf | #topic User Story Review | 02:02 |
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| hughhalf | And I place on record my thanks to kei_ for suggesting this | 02:02 |
| hughhalf | kei_ would you like to discuss thie Bare Metal User story for starters ? | 02:03 |
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| leong | the baremetal user story is merged | 02:03 |
| hughhalf | excellent! | 02:03 |
| kei_ | leong just said that :) | 02:03 |
| leong | kei_, the next step is to perform gap analysis | 02:03 |
| hughhalf | please continue leong, thank you :) | 02:03 |
| kei_ | so that status for the top5 user stories is: | 02:03 |
| kei_ | 1) Rolling Upgrade: Kenny Johnston | 02:04 |
| kei_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304181/ | 02:04 |
| kei_ | It's been merged for a while. | 02:04 |
| kei_ | 2) HA VM: Pete Chadwick | 02:04 |
| * hughhalf nods | 02:04 | |
| kei_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318431/ | 02:04 |
| kei_ | Under reviewing, aiming to complete by mid-June. | 02:05 |
| kei_ | However, specs are beginning to be written. | 02:05 |
| kei_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-instance-ha | 02:05 |
| kei_ | 3) Bare Metal Service: Yih Leong Sun | 02:05 |
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| kei_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289627/ | 02:05 |
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| kei_ | It's been merged. It will be brought up to "Gap and Overlap Analysis by Cross Project Spec Liaisons, User Story Owner, and User Story Technical SME". | 02:06 |
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| kei_ | 4) Fleet Management: Krish Raghuram | 02:06 |
| kei_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299531/ | 02:06 |
| kei_ | It's been merged. Next step is to complete Gaps/Overlaps Analysis as same as bare metal service. | 02:06 |
| kei_ | 5) Capacity Management: Shamail Tahir | 02:06 |
| kei_ | CERN has requirements for quotas/capacity management. | 02:07 |
| kei_ | #link http://openstack-in-production.blogspot.fr/2016/04/resource-management-at-cern.html | 02:07 |
| kei_ | Trying to figure out how to integrate them into the user story (or maybe just create a new user story). | 02:07 |
| kei_ | 02:07 | |
| kei_ | that's it. does anyone have a link to Capacity Management user story? | 02:07 |
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| leong | #link Capacity http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-user-stories/user-stories/proposed/capacity_management.html | 02:08 |
| leong | this is some pre-work done before.. | 02:08 |
| hughhalf | Thank you kei_ and leong | 02:08 |
| kei_ | leong: thanks. do you also have a link to its gerrit? | 02:09 |
| leong | this one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253228/ | 02:10 |
| leong | that looks pretty old one | 02:10 |
| kei_ | leong: i thought i would be the one, but i was not sure. | 02:10 |
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| leong | i think Shamail will work with CERN and trying to define one | 02:11 |
| leong | maybe a new user story if the existing one doesn't fit | 02:11 |
| hughhalf | Is it worth asking on the ML ? | 02:11 |
| leong | maybe can ask shamail first | 02:11 |
| * hughhalf nods | 02:11 | |
| hughhalf | leong are you happy to follow that up with Shamail ? | 02:11 |
| leong | would you also have specific requirements or interest in the capacity management? | 02:12 |
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| kei_ | leong: none for now. | 02:12 |
| leong | maybe we can first concenrate on the baremetal user story first.. ? | 02:13 |
| kei_ | leong: hughhalf: if it's ok, i'll ask shamail about its user story. | 02:13 |
| hughhalf | cool | 02:13 |
| kei_ | leong: yes. i just wanted to know the right user story for capacity management that is one of the top5 user stories. | 02:13 |
| hughhalf | Anything else we should discuss on user stories ? | 02:15 |
| leong | just email shamail and ask him about the cap mgmt | 02:15 |
| shintaro | how about instance ha? looks like it is in pretty good shape. | 02:15 |
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| kei_ | i sure will do that. thanks, leong. | 02:16 |
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| leong | HA VM is in good shape.. we just need to resolve all the conflict and merge it.. then proceed with Gap Analysis then Implementation Plan | 02:16 |
| leong | there are already some existing work done by the HA team | 02:16 |
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| shintaro | great | 02:17 |
| hughhalf | Shall we move on to Midcycle discussions or is there other User Story matters folk would like to raise first ? | 02:18 |
| leong | nothing else from me for user story | 02:18 |
| hughhalf | ok | 02:18 |
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| kei_ | do we choose another top5 for ocata? | 02:18 |
| hughhalf | kei_ Yes from memory it gets reviewed each cycle | 02:19 |
| leong | depending on the progress that we have now..we will need to re-evaluate | 02:19 |
| hughhalf | it hasn't (also from memory) changed much these last couple as they've still been worked on | 02:19 |
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| * hughhalf waits a moment to see if anything further | 02:20 | |
| hughhalf | #topic Midcycle Planning | 02:20 |
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| hughhalf | I note that in the main meeting earlier today they had a planning etherpad for this | 02:20 |
| hughhalf | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Newton_Midcycle_Planning | 02:20 |
| leong | yup.. and it is decided to have a 2-day Product WG midcycle meet-up, colocated with the Ops midcycle | 02:21 |
| leong | date and location is not decided yet | 02:21 |
| hughhalf | I think New York or Seattle ? | 02:21 |
| leong | but most likely in August and in USA (probably Seattle or New York) | 02:21 |
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| shintaro | would it be co-located with ops-meetup? | 02:21 |
| * hughhalf nods | 02:21 | |
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| leong | shintaro, yes! | 02:21 |
| hughhalf | I believe that is the plan shintaro | 02:22 |
| kei_ | Over the next week, eveyone is asked to look over the etherpad and add your +1s, -1s and other topics. | 02:22 |
| leong | anyone here planning to come? | 02:22 |
| * hughhalf may be able to depending on other travel commitments around that time | 02:22 | |
| kei_ | i'm not sure at this moment... | 02:23 |
| shintaro | Planning to join Ops so I will | 02:23 |
| leong | ok | 02:23 |
| hughhalf | do you think you will attend leong ? | 02:24 |
| leong | more likely i will | 02:24 |
| hughhalf | excellent | 02:24 |
| rockyg | i'll probably be there, too. | 02:24 |
| hughhalf | Nice one :) | 02:24 |
| shintaro | according to the OpsML, there will be a cap for the number of attendees, so need to be quick to register! | 02:25 |
| hughhalf | Ah good to know shintaro | 02:25 |
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| hughhalf | I wonder if we fall under that same cap though ? | 02:26 |
| * hughhalf might just ask on the product list about it | 02:26 | |
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| hughhalf | Do we need to cover anything else with Midcycle Planning here - I think the Etherpad is fairly self explanatory otherwise ? | 02:27 |
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| kei_ | hughhalf: none from me. | 02:28 |
| * hughhalf waits for a moment in case anyone is typing :) | 02:28 | |
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| hughhalf | Ok I think we can move on to open discussion | 02:28 |
| hughhalf | #topic Open Discussion | 02:28 |
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| hughhalf | I have one item for Open Discussion, but before I go ahead, anyone else ? | 02:28 |
| hughhalf | Thanks for joining rockyg | 02:29 |
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| leong | can start think of Barcelona Summit | 02:29 |
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| hughhalf | Please go ahead leong :) | 02:30 |
| leong | i'm saying we can start brainstorming any proposal for Barcelona Summit | 02:30 |
| * hughhalf is going to put a talk proposal in to discuss Lwood and mailing list statistics, ettiquette etc. | 02:31 | |
| kei_ | as the Foundation sent out email about the start of submission, carol started an etherpad to capture our proposals here. | 02:31 |
| kei_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Barcelona_Sessions | 02:31 |
| hughhalf | Oh nice one kei_ thanks for that | 02:31 |
| kei_ | the main meeting plans to review it next week. | 02:32 |
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| hughhalf | good to know - since a number of us make the main meeting we can perhaps summarise that for Regional too | 02:33 |
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| hughhalf | Anything else for Barcelona ? | 02:34 |
| leong | not from me | 02:35 |
| kei_ | hughhalf: that's a good idea. > summarising. | 02:35 |
| kei_ | maybe one proposal would be VMs, bare metals, containers integration? | 02:35 |
| kei_ | "integration" may not be the right word here, but | 02:36 |
| hughhalf | They're certainly widely common/popular topics | 02:36 |
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| hughhalf | No I think integration is ok | 02:36 |
| hughhalf | or perhaps coexistence | 02:36 |
| kei_ | hughhalf: ok. thanks. | 02:36 |
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| hughhalf | more of a "how do we make these technologies work sensibly in the same environment" than "mix them all together" perhaps | 02:37 |
| hughhalf | But yes, worth considering I think | 02:37 |
| kei_ | hughhalf: i agreed. | 02:38 |
| leong | yes! definitely worth to do it! | 02:38 |
| hughhalf | kei_ would you like to suggest the proposal in the etherpad or ML ? | 02:39 |
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| kei_ | hughhalf: yes. i will do that. | 02:39 |
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| hughhalf | Thanks kei_ - I'm sure we can assist if you have drafts etc. | 02:40 |
| kei_ | hughhalf: that'd be really appreciated. i'll share my draft first. | 02:40 |
| hughhalf | I have a small item if people are happy to move on to another Open Discussion topic | 02:40 |
| hughhalf | Cool :) | 02:40 |
| leong | sure! | 02:40 |
| kei_ | hughhalf: please go ahead. | 02:41 |
| hughhalf | Wanted to check folk were happy with the regional meetings - both the timing (roughly every two weeks) and the way we chair them. I'd also like to note my appreciation for kei_ , leong and others who help with the process of running the meeting. I have two thoughts; | 02:42 |
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| hughhalf | I think we should continue to maintain the two week cadence so people get used to the meeting being on | 02:42 |
| hughhalf | and I think that sharing the Chair role, informal though it is, works quite well too | 02:42 |
| hughhalf | But I would welcome your thoughts :) | 02:42 |
| leong | +1 | 02:43 |
| leong | is the meeting time (9am Japan Standard time) works for everyone ? do we need to re-evaluate the meeting time? | 02:43 |
| hughhalf | Good question leong, thank you | 02:44 |
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| hughhalf | The time is pretty ideal for me (as long as I remeber to have a snack first :) | 02:44 |
| leong | hopefully we can attract more participation from others in APAC region | 02:45 |
| kazuIchikawa | it's 11am in JST now. it works for me. | 02:45 |
| kei_ | leong: you mean 11am JST, right? it works for me. | 02:45 |
| hughhalf | thank you kazuIchikawa :) | 02:45 |
| shintaro | +1 | 02:45 |
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| leong | opsss. wrong timezone calculation :p | 02:46 |
| * hughhalf chuckles | 02:46 | |
| hughhalf | it's a tricky business :) | 02:46 |
| kei_ | it is. | 02:46 |
| hughhalf | My sense is the time of day and every two weeks agrees with people so I think that's ok | 02:46 |
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| shintaro | yes, this is great! | 02:47 |
| leong | let's keep it the way we have now ... we can always revisit if needed | 02:47 |
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| hughhalf | Agreed | 02:47 |
| kei_ | leong: +1 | 02:47 |
| hughhalf | #agreed keep current time of day (Tuesday 0200 UTC) and cadence (every two weeks) for Regional meeting | 02:48 |
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| hughhalf | Is there anything else we should cover today ? | 02:48 |
| leong | i'm good | 02:48 |
| kei_ | none from me. | 02:49 |
| hughhalf | I think we're just about done, will wait another moment in case someone is furiously typing | 02:49 |
| kei_ | :) | 02:50 |
| hughhalf | Looks like we're done | 02:50 |
| * leong .. going to say bye and chat with you all soon..:-) | 02:50 | |
| hughhalf | Thank you all again for your participation, I'll close the meeting now | 02:50 |
| shintaro | thanks | 02:50 |
| kei_ | thanks all! | 02:50 |
| leong | thanks | 02:50 |
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| hughhalf | Arigato/ Xie Xie :) | 02:50 |
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| hughhalf | #endmeeting | 02:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 7 02:50:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-06-07-02.00.html | 02:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-06-07-02.00.txt | 02:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-06-07-02.00.log.html | 02:50 |
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| moshele | hi | 13:00 |
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| lbeliveau | hi | 13:00 |
| moshele | anyone for SR-IOV meeting | 13:00 |
| smatov | hello | 13:00 |
| lbeliveau | hi | 13:00 |
| moshele | #startmeeting sriov | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 7 13:01:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is moshele. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sriov' | 13:01 |
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| moshele | hi everyone | 13:01 |
| gjayavelu | hi | 13:01 |
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| smatov | hello | 13:01 |
| saneax | Hi Everyone | 13:02 |
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| moshele | #topic agenda Improving SR-IOV/PCI Passthrough CI | 13:02 |
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| moshele | so update on the Mellanox SR-IOV CI we have problem to move to containers we are still debugging the libvirt issue | 13:03 |
| moshele | is any one from Intel CI here? | 13:03 |
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| moshele | is sean-k-mooney, sfinucan here ? | 13:03 |
| moshele | I guess not :( | 13:03 |
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| moshele | so we are currently missing multi node CI for SR-IOV :( | 13:04 |
| moshele | anyone have update on this topic? | 13:05 |
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| lbeliveau | I wish I had, but not at the moment | 13:05 |
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| moshele | #topic bug fixes | 13:05 |
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| moshele | so the pci resize patch was merged last week :) | 13:06 |
| moshele | lbeliveau: is working on the pci migration patches | 13:06 |
| lbeliveau | ye ! | 13:06 |
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| moshele | lbeliveau: I review them yesterday had some questions on them | 13:07 |
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| lbeliveau | moshele: I'm taking care of that atm, will post new patch set later today | 13:07 |
| moshele | ok cool, I didn't test the pci migration, only with direct port at the moment | 13:08 |
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| moshele | I hope to continue this week | 13:09 |
| lbeliveau | anybody else has patches that need reviews ? | 13:09 |
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| saneax | hello from me, we are working towards supporting sriov in tripleo | 13:10 |
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| moshele | we have also Numa patch Evaluate 'task_state' in resource (de)allocation - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323269/ | 13:11 |
| saneax | this the spec file we are working on for tripleo, would request some comments | 13:11 |
| saneax | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313872 | 13:11 |
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| moshele | saneax: let talk on the next topic this is bug fixes ok | 13:12 |
| moshele | anyone else on bug fixes ? | 13:12 |
| saneax | ok moshele | 13:12 |
| moshele | ok let move one to spec | 13:12 |
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| moshele | #topic Specs for review: | 13:13 |
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| moshele | saneax: ok your up :) | 13:13 |
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| saneax | thanks moshele | 13:13 |
| saneax | We are trying to get SRIOV functionality within the tripleo | 13:13 |
| saneax | our spec file is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313872 and we are looking for comments in it | 13:14 |
| lbeliveau | saneax: i'll have a look | 13:14 |
| saneax | thanks | 13:14 |
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| moshele | saneax: so this is just to configure the compute to support SR-IOV? | 13:15 |
| saneax | yes moshele | 13:15 |
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| moshele | saneax: so basically it related to ironic right? | 13:15 |
| saneax | so, it looks at ironic, THT, puppet | 13:16 |
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| moshele | can you explain how is the flow with tripleo ? | 13:16 |
| saneax | overall a operator can configure SRIOV functionality on the cluster is the end goal. We would like to support mixed cluster, with sriov and without sriov computes | 13:17 |
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| saneax | so, at present moment introspection bits are not utilized in THT | 13:17 |
| saneax | our idea is to to just give heads up to operator on the PCI details on the introspection | 13:18 |
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| moshele | how do you inspect the nodes? with ironic-inspector? | 13:18 |
| moshele | so it is manually? | 13:19 |
| moshele | nevermind I will review the spec and comment | 13:19 |
| saneax | yes, its manual | 13:19 |
| saneax | The idea is to add most of the manual steps in the installer | 13:20 |
| saneax | which is now a post install after overcloud deploy | 13:20 |
| moshele | and what will configure the driver and set SR-IOV VF - heat? | 13:20 |
| saneax | so so as a first cut we would have all the drivers in the overcloud image | 13:21 |
| saneax | we would do this for RH flavors | 13:21 |
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| moshele | but you need to set the number of VF in each compute | 13:21 |
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| saneax | yes, so that we are taking default all the pci addresses that is being exposed | 13:22 |
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| moshele | I guess I need to read the spec :) | 13:22 |
| saneax | :) | 13:22 |
| moshele | anything else on the matter? | 13:22 |
| saneax | thats all, thanks | 13:23 |
| moshele | ok, so I am still working on the User-controlled SR-IOV ports allocation spec I didn't upload any patch yet. I hope to do it next week | 13:24 |
| moshele | anyone else has specs that he want to raise here? | 13:24 |
| gjayavelu | moshele: i'll be moving vmware sriov spec to ocata | 13:24 |
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| moshele | gjayavelu: did you talked about it in the nova meeting? | 13:25 |
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| moshele | so for nova it is freeze for spec in newton as explained in the ML | 13:26 |
| gjayavelu | moshele: No, since i couldn't make it to last week's schedule. | 13:26 |
| gjayavelu | i tried pinging jay, no luck | 13:26 |
| moshele | gjayavelu: I would suggest to start POC it | 13:26 |
| gjayavelu | sure, i'm working on that | 13:27 |
| moshele | cool :) | 13:27 |
| moshele | any other specs to address ? | 13:27 |
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| moshele | saneax: I added you spec to the agenda for next meeting | 13:28 |
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| moshele | anything else? | 13:29 |
| saneax | thanks | 13:29 |
| moshele | ok I think we are done for today :) | 13:30 |
| moshele | #endmeeting | 13:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 7 13:30:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-06-07-13.01.html | 13:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-06-07-13.01.txt | 13:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sriov/2016/sriov.2016-06-07-13.01.log.html | 13:30 |
| moshele | bye everyone | 13:30 |
| lbeliveau | bye everyone | 13:30 |
| gjayavelu | bye | 13:30 |
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| shardy | #startmeeting tripleo | 14:00 |
| ccamacho | o/ | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 7 14:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 14:00 |
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| shardy | #topic rollcall | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:00 | |
| EmilienM | o/ | 14:00 |
| shardy | Hey all, who's around? | 14:00 |
| marios | \o | 14:00 |
| dprince | hey | 14:00 |
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| slagle | hi | 14:00 |
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| skramaja | hi | 14:00 |
| rohitpagedar__ | Hi | 14:00 |
| derekh | o/ | 14:00 |
| jdob | o/ | 14:00 |
| jokke_ | o/ | 14:01 |
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| pradk | o/ | 14:01 |
| shadower | hey | 14:01 |
| trown | o/ | 14:01 |
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| shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO | 14:01 |
| shardy | #topic agenda | 14:02 |
| shardy | * one off agenda items | 14:02 |
| shardy | * bugs | 14:02 |
| shardy | * Projects releases or stable backports | 14:02 |
| shardy | * CI | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 14:02 | |
| shardy | * Specs | 14:02 |
| shardy | * open discussion | 14:02 |
| shardy | Anyone have anything to add today? We don't have any one-off items in the wiki | 14:02 |
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| rohitpagedar__ | o/ | 14:02 |
| jrist | o/ | 14:02 |
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| rbrady | o/ | 14:03 |
| adarazs | o/ | 14:03 |
| beagles | o/ | 14:03 |
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| d0ugal | o/ | 14:03 |
| shardy | Ok then, lets get started | 14:03 |
| shardy | #topic bugs | 14:03 |
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| jistr | o/ | 14:04 |
| saneax | o/ | 14:04 |
| shardy | So, I flipped all released bugs to Fix Released for n-1: | 14:04 |
| shardy | https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/newton-1 | 14:04 |
| shardy | if folks can target bugs to n-2 from now on so we can track them that would be good | 14:04 |
| shardy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 | 14:05 |
| shardy | Anyone have anythink to highlight re bugs this week? | 14:05 |
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| shardy | I know we have various CI issues, but anything else we need to prioritize re bugs? | 14:05 |
| shardy | I raised https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1589983 earlier, would be good if someone feels like picking that up | 14:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1589983 in tripleo "tripleoclient leaks temporary files" [Medium,Triaged] | 14:06 |
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| weshay | \o | 14:07 |
| shardy | beagles: how's your bug cleanup been going? | 14:07 |
| myoung | o/ | 14:07 |
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| shardy | I've been attempting to clean up old bugs too, a bunch of things are due to expire in the next 2 weeks, which is good | 14:07 |
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| shardy | and I've set all old Fix Committed things to Fix Released | 14:08 |
| beagles | pretty well.. I didn't do much last week but got up to 1 year old bugs :) | 14:08 |
| shardy | beagles: ack, well thanks for your help :) | 14:08 |
| dprince | ls | 14:08 |
| beagles | np.. I was just noticing on our current bug list that at least one is an RFE... | 14:08 |
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| beagles | what was the story with those... are bugs fine for that kind of thing | 14:09 |
| shardy | beagles: that's OK, but they should be tagged spec-lite and marked as wishlist priority | 14:09 |
| beagles | cool | 14:09 |
| shardy | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/glance/contributing/blueprints.html#glance-spec-lite | 14:09 |
| beagles | thanks | 14:10 |
| shardy | we agreed a while back that folks could use a process similar to glance if they wish | 14:10 |
| shardy | blueprints with/without specs as appropriate are also fine | 14:10 |
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| shardy | the main thing is we target things to the milestones so we have an idea on progress | 14:10 |
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| shardy | Ok anything else re bugs or shall we move on? | 14:10 |
| shardy | #topic Projects releases or stable backports | 14:11 |
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| shardy | So, thanks very much to EmilienM and anyone else who helped get n-1 shipped last week :) | 14:11 |
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| trown | EmilienM++ | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | cool, I missed puppet release :P | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | but no worries | 14:11 |
| shardy | One thing I've seen discussed in the context of RDO is a tagging releases for stable branches | 14:12 |
| shardy | does anyone have any thoughts on how best to handle that, now that stable-maint don't tag periodic releases? | 14:12 |
| shardy | trown: any suggestions on preferences there? | 14:12 |
| shardy | the issue I've heard is some folks want to consume RDO stable/mitaka which is the latest tagged release, not the heat of the stable branch | 14:13 |
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| slagle | we've done releases from stable branches before | 14:13 |
| shardy | so they end up missing backported things | 14:13 |
| trown | shardy: I wonder if we could just do stable milestone releases when we do the master milestone releases | 14:13 |
| slagle | is it not just requesting a new release via openstack/releases? | 14:13 |
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| jokke_ | shardy: In glance we have been trying to follow the idea that we tag when ever we merge something and it makes sense | 14:13 |
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| trown | shardy: assuming there is something new to release | 14:13 |
| shardy | slagle: yup, I'm just wondering if we should have a plan re their period or other criteria which triggers semi-regular releases | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | as in we tag if something critical gets backported and otherwise we tag in bundles of few patches merged | 14:14 |
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| slagle | yea, i was more or less doing it on demand previously | 14:14 |
| jokke_ | shardy: that was discussed quite a bit when stable decided that no periodicals and basically the consensus was that anything worth of backporting should be worth of releasing | 14:15 |
| shardy | jokke_: ack, yeah we could do that, but TripleO has quite a lot of repos, so it's somewhat easier to just do periodic releases of everything vs monitoring actively everywhere | 14:15 |
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| jokke_ | shardy: isn't that what stable liaison is for ;) | 14:15 |
| shardy | jokke_: Yeah, I think by default that's the PTL but if anyone else wants to step up to help I'm more than happy :) | 14:16 |
| shardy | EmilienM: has offered to help as a release liason, so if anyone wants to share the load of proposing stable releases, that'd be good | 14:16 |
| shardy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | yep | 14:17 |
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| jokke_ | shardy: let me get used to the codebase first, maybe next cycle ;) | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | I'm happy to help with that, I'm already familiar with release management | 14:17 |
| coolsvap_mobile | But I will need some help initially | 14:17 |
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| shardy | Ok, lets follow up in #tripleo - IMO it'd be best if we can spread the load around vs expecting one person to do everything | 14:17 |
| shardy | given the number of repos/branches involved | 14:18 |
| jokke_ | I'm happy to help with any stable/release general questions so feel free to shoot so we don't overload the few carrying the responsibilities | 14:18 |
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| shardy | Ok, anything else on release/backports before we move on to CI? | 14:19 |
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| shardy | #topic CI | 14:19 |
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| EmilienM | I noticed stable/mitaka nonha job is broken https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324527/ | 14:19 |
| EmilienM | I haven't spent time to figure why yet | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | but imho we should high-prio this work too | 14:20 |
| shardy | EmilienM: yeah, was just about to mention that - I started looking at it yesterday but not yet figured out the problem | 14:20 |
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| shardy | EmilienM: can you raise a bug please? | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | shardy: I will | 14:20 |
| shardy | AFAICT pingtest is failing because nova can't connect to keystone | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to investigate & file a bug to why stable/mitaka nonha job is failing | 14:21 |
| shardy | So, more generally, CI has been broken by the move to centos7 slaves | 14:21 |
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| shardy | pabelanger: Do you have any update on the revert of that? | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | I ran a recheck on a patch to see if CI is now working | 14:22 |
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| EmilienM | but not sure if something else needs to be updated | 14:22 |
| pabelanger | no, in fact, I don't believe the issue is related to centos-7 DIBs. But more the exposure of actually failures running on centos-7. | 14:22 |
| pabelanger | 2 issue | 14:22 |
| pabelanger | 1) failure to connect to gearman servers. I don't have the ability to look into this | 14:22 |
| fungi | the details in https://review.openstack.org/326182 were meager. is the suspected issue that your jobs currently don't work on centos 7 and you need time to port forward form centos 6? | 14:22 |
| pabelanger | 2) openstack overcloud deploy takes 2+ hour (again no logs generated for this) | 14:23 |
| dprince | pabelanger: I saw a few spurious gearman failures, but most of the issues were related to stack timeouts I think | 14:23 |
| dprince | agree there may be multiple issues though | 14:23 |
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| pabelanger | To move forward, I think we need tripleo members to review the failures and see what is going on (and why no logs are produced) | 14:23 |
| pabelanger | http://logs.openstack.org/11/326311/4/check-tripleo/gate-tripleo-ci-f22-nonha/208cda5/console.html | 14:24 |
| trown | there was no way to test this in advance? | 14:24 |
| dprince | using Centos 7 would be more ideal for TripleO. And pabelanger mentions that infra wants to soon deprecate the way TripleO builds up its jenkins image (rather would just use DIB directly) | 14:24 |
| derekh | pabelanger: I wasn't in yesterday so havn't looked but on 2) sueually we get no logs if a job timesout | 14:25 |
| pabelanger | gearman failures are also happening on fedora-22 | 14:25 |
| dprince | so we do want to support the effort to switch sooner rather than later | 14:25 |
| derekh | pabelanger: as the last pard of the job is to copy logs off the nodes , this doesn't get executed | 14:25 |
| derekh | pabelanger: what were the gearman failures? | 14:25 |
| dprince | trown: I think we can test more in advance, yes | 14:25 |
| EmilienM | derekh: why isn't it a jenkins publisher? | 14:25 |
| pabelanger | derekh: okay, it should be easy to reproduce now in triploe-experimental. I think we need logs to see what is going on with deploy scripts | 14:25 |
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| pabelanger | trown: I did test in advance | 14:26 |
| derekh | EmilienM: the publisher copies them to the log server, but the end of the tripleo jobs copies them onto the jenkins slave | 14:26 |
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| shardy | gear.NoConnectedServersError: No connected Gearman servers | 14:27 |
| EmilienM | yeah pabelanger did experimental-jobs testing, it worked fine afict | 14:27 |
| shardy | that doesn't sound like a deploy failure to me | 14:27 |
| trown | pabelanger: how did it work then and not now? | 14:27 |
| pabelanger | shardy: jobs are timing out after 2.5 hours | 14:27 |
| * bnemec recalls that the patch merged with 2 of the 3 experimental voting jobs failing | 14:27 | |
| fungi | we work around that in devstack-gate (i know you never got around to reimplementing under d-g) by having an inner timeout to kill the test payload with enough time to still reshuffle logs into the location the publisher expects | 14:27 |
| trown | just trying to understand how we ended up with CI totally down | 14:27 |
| bnemec | but I could be wrong. | 14:27 |
| shardy | it looks like it's just getting stuck and not really running the job? | 14:27 |
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| derekh | shardy: seems like a problem with our infrastructure, especially is it was happening on fedora slaves too | 14:28 |
| pabelanger | trown: because I believe the issue is not centos-7 but the infra we are deploying too. EG: gearmans servers and other external factors. | 14:28 |
| derekh | fungi: yup, we should do something similar | 14:28 |
| shardy | Ok, lets work together after the meeting and try to figure it out | 14:29 |
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| shardy | pabelanger: ack - I think it was the timing which made us want to revert the centos7 change, e.g it merged and everything broke around the same time | 14:29 |
| pabelanger | What dprince mention is correct. If we can all iterate on this today, we can likely fix centos-7 with a short amount of work | 14:29 |
| derekh | pabelanger: shardy was the gear.NoConnectedServersError: error happening on fedora slaves also? | 14:29 |
| pabelanger | derekh: it is now | 14:29 |
| pabelanger | derekh: see the log I just linked | 14:29 |
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| derekh | pabelanger: ack, will take a look after this meeting | 14:30 |
| dprince | pabelanger: yep, thanks for your work on this. fast tracking reverts is healthy too though :) | 14:30 |
| shardy | Ok, shall we move on and continue discussion after the meeting? | 14:30 |
| pabelanger | Sure, we are close. Just want to get us over the line | 14:30 |
| shardy | #topic Specs | 14:31 |
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| shardy | So, in terms of features, we've got about 5 weeks until n-2 | 14:32 |
| shardy | #link https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/newton-2 | 14:32 |
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| shardy | we've got 10 blueprints targetted, and we landed zero for n-1 | 14:32 |
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| dprince | shardy: I would like to land remote execution in this timeline. I think it is useful by itself... and also will be helpful to bootstrap Ansible validations | 14:32 |
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| shardy | I'm wondering if we need to break some of the down, of if we're confident e.g we can get composable services, custom rols and the Mistral API landed in the next few weeks | 14:33 |
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| shardy | I've had some complaints that some (large) blueprints slipped into n-2 so we probably need to show incremental progress | 14:33 |
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| dprince | shardy: regarding the composable side of things. I'd like to see us focus on composable services first | 14:33 |
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| dprince | shardy: the composable roles bits can come later I think | 14:34 |
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| shardy | dprince: Yeah, although I think it's quite related - e.g we need to sync steps on all roles, or you can't move an e.g "step 4" service from say controller to compute | 14:34 |
| EmilienM | dprince++ | 14:34 |
| dprince | shardy: for the Mistral workflow stuff I would very much like to see us cut over and start using Mistral for workflows vi python-tripleoclient ASAP | 14:35 |
| shardy | there are a few ways to do that, but one way is to template in all the steps for the roles via jinja, which would be an initial step towards composable roles | 14:35 |
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| dprince | shardy: no need to take baby steps and maintain backwards compat via "python library" code I think | 14:35 |
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| dprince | shardy: in fact having to code paths for the python-tripleoclient to choose is actually worse I think. | 14:36 |
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| shardy | dprince: agreed, I'm just wondering if we should have a couple of mini-sprints where we just push and get folks to concentrate on landing one feature for a few days | 14:36 |
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| dprince | shardy: well, I think these are different groups of people. So they can co-exist | 14:36 |
| shardy | dprince: Yeah, I'm just trying to avoid fragmentation of effort meaning $many of the 10 blueprints slipping into n-3 | 14:37 |
| dprince | shardy: composable services is coming along slowly but surely I think | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | slowly mainly because CI issues | 14:37 |
| EmilienM | a lot of work is already done or WIP | 14:37 |
| dprince | yes, CI is slowing down composable work a bit | 14:37 |
| shardy | Yeah, composable services is definitely progressing | 14:38 |
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| dprince | For Mistral I think we've got a nice spec. But we have just recently worked out some of the finer interface arrangements around the zaqar queue, etc. | 14:38 |
| dprince | so there is still some design work ongoing there | 14:38 |
| shardy | jistr: https://launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/newton-2 has three high priority BPs with no assignee | 14:39 |
| shardy | can you get folks to assign themselves and set the delivery status? | 14:39 |
| dprince | furthermore, I would like to see us focus on "parity" with the initial workflows... we are actually getting lots of good feedback from guys like dtansur for the baremetal.yaml workflows for example | 14:39 |
| beagles | fwiw, I was able to spin up an l3 agent and metadata agent (required for DVR) with the existing merged code and a simple environment file .. but we need that step sync thing to keep that working | 14:39 |
| shardy | I'll start deferring anything not obviously started fairly soon to avoid last-minute slips | 14:39 |
| * beagles blurts sometimes ;) | 14:39 | |
| shardy | beagles: you mean sync the steps between roles? | 14:40 |
| dprince | feedback for future improvements I thinks. Rather than implement all of the improvements for workflows I would suggest capturing the new ideas in bugs and moving on | 14:40 |
| jistr | shardy: will try to figure it out. Personally i'm presently tasked 100% downstream, will try to push to at least carve out time for reviews. | 14:40 |
| marios | shardy: i thought it was already assigned to me so grabbing https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tripleo/+spec/overcloud-upgrades-workflow-mitaka-to-newton since am working on it | 14:40 |
| marios | shardy: is for n2 | 14:40 |
| shardy | jistr: Ok, that's fine, anything not assigned will just get deferred to n-3 so it's clear it's at-risk | 14:41 |
| beagles | shardy: I think so .. basically that the l3 and metadata agent roles do their thing at the proper step... | 14:41 |
| dprince | beagles: once we decompose all the roles I think we can rework how -post.yaml's work to better accomidate syncing the steps | 14:41 |
| beagles | shardy: or maybe I misunderstood what you meant | 14:41 |
| dprince | beagles: we probably need to decompose it all first though so we can move things around more capably in t-h-t | 14:41 |
| beagles | dprince: ack | 14:41 |
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| dprince | beagles: part of the vision I think... we just have to finish composable services first to get there | 14:42 |
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| beagles | I was just pretty jazzed to try it and see it kind of work this early in the game | 14:42 |
| shardy | dprince: Yeah, I think we actually have to move away from -post per-role completely, because you can never sync resources between different nested stacks | 14:42 |
| dprince | shardy: exactly, this was the idea | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | I have cycles, I just will need quite a bit guidance | 14:42 |
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| shardy | dprince: I'm trying an approach which might work which jinja templates all the steps, for each role, in overcloud.yaml | 14:42 |
| jokke_ | if it's storage related I have really easy to justify time for it | 14:42 |
| dprince | shardy: I think this will be a top level overcloud.yaml architecture thing once we finish | 14:43 |
| shardy | that would work, and fits well with the custom roles stuff I think | 14:43 |
| shardy | dprince: +1 | 14:43 |
| shardy | good, sounds like we've reached the same conclusion :) | 14:43 |
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| shardy | Ok, we've kinda derailed from specs somewhat | 14:43 |
| dprince | shardy: I'm less convinced the core team agrees on the Mistral workflow conclusions BTW | 14:43 |
| shardy | anything else to raise re specs/features? | 14:43 |
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| dprince | shardy: seems to be some ambiguity about which code we are moving over to tripleo-common | 14:44 |
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| * dprince wants the "library" concept for tripleo-common to be kept at a minimum | 14:44 | |
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| shardy | dprince: that was why I mentioned a mini-sprint, I'm not sure there's lack of agreement, I just think many folks haven't even looked at it | 14:44 |
| shardy | dprince: rbrady was talking about a tripleo-workflows repo to contain all the mistral pieces | 14:45 |
| d0ugal | I think there is ambiguity about tripleo-common in general :) | 14:45 |
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| dprince | shardy: yep, I'm very much a fan of the separate repo too | 14:45 |
| shardy | and I agree we should stop (ab)using tripleo-common to put all the things in | 14:45 |
| trown | indeed | 14:45 |
| trown | wrt ambiguity of tripleo-common | 14:45 |
| shardy | I always thought it was weird we decided to put API stuff in there | 14:45 |
| dprince | shardy: that said, I'd rather see us cut over and actually use a Mistral workflow for something sooner rather than later | 14:45 |
| dprince | shardy: all this talk... and we still aren't actually using it yet | 14:45 |
| shardy | dprince: agreed, Ok lets try to get some eyes on it then | 14:46 |
| shardy | #topic open discussion | 14:46 |
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| shardy | I suppose we've already started open discussion, but anything else folks want to raise? | 14:46 |
| trown | just something semi-related to the above | 14:47 |
| trown | do we intend to present image building through a mistral workflow? | 14:47 |
| slagle | just wanted to mention i pushed some patches for multinode ci jobs via nodepool | 14:47 |
| trown | or is that a case where we use tripleo-common as a library | 14:47 |
| slagle | i'm trying to move forward with that and see how it goes | 14:47 |
| d0ugal | trown: I don't think that is a candidate for the first pass | 14:47 |
| EmilienM | slagle: w00t, links? | 14:47 |
| dprince | trown: meh, I mean... that is a wierd one I think | 14:47 |
| shardy | slagle: nice! | 14:47 |
| trown | d0ugal: cool, I think it shouldn't be a mistral workflow fwiw | 14:47 |
| dprince | trown: if the UI requires it... then maybe. But I'd rather see the UI just require it | 14:48 |
| slagle | EmilienM: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:tripleo-multinode | 14:48 |
| shardy | trown: IMO it's not something we should consider initially | 14:48 |
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| d0ugal | trown: Yeah, I wasn't sure but I've not really thought about it yet. | 14:48 |
| dprince | trown: rather the UI just require images exist | 14:48 |
| shardy | lets just get the basic deployment workflow working first | 14:48 |
| d0ugal | dprince: +1 | 14:48 |
| dprince | trown: building images via Mistral would be an abuse | 14:48 |
| trown | dprince: ya that was my thought as well, just wanted to check, because tripleo-common is pretty ambiguous :) | 14:48 |
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| EmilienM | slagle: just an FYI, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326095/ needs to be rebased | 14:49 |
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| jokke_ | just comment from the fresh eyes trying to wrap my head around tripleO ... the current amount of repos is already quite a handful trying to get hold of | 14:49 |
| dprince | shardy: nice on the multinode work | 14:49 |
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| jokke_ | Just saying, please don't introduce too many new one just because we can | 14:49 |
| trown | context: there are a couple folks looking at updating tripleoclient to use the yaml based image build library in tripleo-common, and I didnt want to steer them wrong | 14:49 |
| dprince | jokke_: ack, I think the goal is to eventually drop some... like perhaps tripleo-image-elements | 14:50 |
| slagle | EmilienM: yes there's actually other issues with it since nodepool is installed from pypi in the jenkins jobs, so my needed depends-on isn't pulled in | 14:50 |
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| EmilienM | slagle: nice work anyway, thanks | 14:50 |
| dprince | trown: I'm okay for the image building YAML's to live in tripleo-common for now | 14:50 |
| slagle | EmilienM: so i'll have to rework it a bit to get around that initially | 14:50 |
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| dprince | trown: perhaps not where we'll have it long term but it is okay | 14:50 |
| EmilienM | pabelanger: just an FYI to put this in your radar: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:tripleo-multinode | 14:51 |
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| shardy | talking of reducing repos, it'd be good to figure out what needs to be moved so we can retire tripleo-incubator | 14:51 |
| shardy | The outdated README in that comes up above tripleo-docs in a google search :( | 14:52 |
| trown | shardy: is anything still using it? | 14:52 |
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| shardy | trown: I thought a couple of the scripts were still used in CI but I may be wrong | 14:53 |
| dprince | shardy: did we ever land your patch to switch to t-ht- driving os-net-config? | 14:53 |
| shardy | perhaps I'll push a patch deleting everything and see what happens ;) | 14:53 |
| dprince | shardy: via software deployments? | 14:53 |
| shardy | dprince: No, I need to rebase it | 14:53 |
| shardy | landing that would be good though | 14:53 |
| shardy | I'll rebase it today | 14:53 |
| dprince | shardy: I gave you some -1's for nits but I very much like that idea | 14:53 |
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| bnemec | +1 | 14:53 |
| pabelanger | EmilienM: thanks, just left a comment on 326095 | 14:53 |
| shardy | dprince: ack, thanks, I'll address those and hopefully we can get it passing CI | 14:53 |
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| bnemec | shardy: Note that there was just a patch posted related to the os-net-config script: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326511 | 14:54 |
| bnemec | Looks like a valid bug, so we should make sure we don't lose the fix. | 14:54 |
| EmilienM | slagle: please let me know if you need help with this work & bindep stuffs | 14:55 |
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| shardy | bnemec: thanks, I'll rebase on top of that | 14:55 |
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| bnemec | Cool | 14:55 |
| bnemec | Oh, we're still tracking ci-admins in incubator too. | 14:55 |
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| shardy | bnemec: Yeah I thought there was some stuff like that | 14:56 |
| shardy | it'd be good to move it to tripleo-ci then reture -incubator IMO | 14:56 |
| slagle | pabelanger: thanks, i'll have a look at the bindep/jjb stuff | 14:56 |
| bnemec | +1000 | 14:56 |
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| shardy | Ok, anything else or shall we declare EOM? | 14:57 |
| dprince | shardy: thanks for hosting | 14:58 |
| shardy | Thanks all! | 14:58 |
| shardy | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 7 14:58:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-06-07-14.00.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-06-07-14.00.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2016/tripleo.2016-06-07-14.00.log.html | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | Thanks! | 14:58 |
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| matrohon | hi bgpvpn guys | 15:03 |
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| matrohon | #startmeeting bgpvpn | 15:09 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 7 15:09:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matrohon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:09 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'bgpvpn' | 15:09 |
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| matrohon | hi all | 15:10 |
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| mickeys | Hi | 15:10 |
| matrohon | tmorin is offline today | 15:10 |
| matrohon | Hi mickeys | 15:10 |
| matrohon | hi pcarver doude | 15:11 |
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| matrohon | we don't have much to announce today, and i'm not there has been a lot of progress on bug resolution and code | 15:12 |
| matrohon | so this meeting is going to be very short if nobody has a specific topic | 15:13 |
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| mickeys | I just wanted to encourage people to review | 15:14 |
| mickeys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322654/ | 15:14 |
| matrohon | mickeys, yep, thanks for this initiative | 15:14 |
| mickeys | We will need to submit a separate RFE for the addition of the VNI to bgpvpn | 15:14 |
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| matrohon | mickeys, please do, but it shouldn't be a big deal as it was planed to work on it | 15:16 |
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| mickeys | Yes, we think it is pretty straightforward. Just need to jump through the process and submit the code for review | 15:16 |
| matrohon | mickeys, because of the stadium decomposition the process might change quickly | 15:17 |
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| mickeys | Has neutron-api evolved to the point where it affects this? | 15:17 |
| matrohon | but let us work as usual for this item | 15:17 |
| matrohon | mickeys, yep, since it's a API change, we might fill a bug on neutron-api | 15:18 |
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| matrohon | mickeys, bug please just report a RFE bug on networking-bgpvpn for this topic | 15:20 |
| mickeys | I thought we have to aim it at neutron so that neutron drivers can approve it? | 15:21 |
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| matrohon | We can try, but the stadium decomposition bp is still under review | 15:22 |
| matrohon | mickeys, ^ | 15:22 |
| matrohon | mickeys, and there were still pending discussion explicitly about that | 15:22 |
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| mickeys | We are happy to go either way, just wondering what the right thing to do is | 15:23 |
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| matrohon | mickeys we still have untill ocata-1 to adopt the new process, so I wouldn't go with such a complicated use case to experiment the new process | 15:24 |
| mickeys | OK, then we will aim it at networking-bgpvpn | 15:24 |
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| matrohon | mickeys, but if you prefer testing the new process I'm fine with it too :) as you want | 15:25 |
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| mickeys | Simpler to go with networking-bgpvpn :-) | 15:25 |
| matrohon | mickeys, agree :) | 15:26 |
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| matrohon | leaving 1 more minute to talk about any other topic before closing this meeting | 15:28 |
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| matrohon | bye everybody | 15:30 |
| matrohon | #endmeeting | 15:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 7 15:30:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:30 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-06-07-15.09.html | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-06-07-15.09.txt | 15:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/bgpvpn/2016/bgpvpn.2016-06-07-15.09.log.html | 15:30 |
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| mickeys | Bye | 15:31 |
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| hongbin | #startmeeting containers | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 7 16:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'containers' | 16:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-06-07_1600_UTC Today's agenda | 16:00 |
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| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:00 | |
| strigazi | Spyros Trigazis | 16:00 |
| Drago | o/ | 16:00 |
| swatson | Stephen Watson | 16:00 |
| muralia | Murali Allada | 16:00 |
| dane_leblanc | o/ | 16:00 |
| rpothier | o/ | 16:00 |
| mkrai | Madhuri Kumari | 16:00 |
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| tcammann | sup | 16:00 |
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| hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting strigazi Drago swatson muralia dane_leblanc rpothier mkrai tcammann | 16:01 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: containers)" | 16:01 | |
| eghobo | o/ | 16:01 |
| hongbin | I have no announcement | 16:01 |
| hongbin | Any announcement from our team members? | 16:01 |
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| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 16:02 |
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| hongbin | Let me pull the previous meeting | 16:02 |
| hongbin | hongbin send a ML to lbaas team to ask for installation instruction | 16:03 |
| hongbin | Done | 16:03 |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096369.html | 16:03 |
| hongbin | It looks lbaas team don't have an official guide | 16:04 |
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| hongbin | What they have is like a developer facing guide | 16:04 |
| tcammann | Do they have any puppet or ansible modules for install? | 16:04 |
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| hongbin | not sure from me | 16:05 |
| juggler_ | o/ | 16:05 |
| tango | o/ | 16:05 |
| hongbin | strigazi: do you have any idea about tcammann question? | 16:05 |
| strigazi | Didn't check, I don't think so | 16:06 |
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| strigazi | Best case they have a puppet module | 16:06 |
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| strigazi | https://github.com/openstack/puppet-neutron/blob/master/manifests/agents/lbaas.pp | 16:06 |
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| hongbin | Any other question? | 16:07 |
| strigazi | They missing guide is another reason to decouple :) | 16:07 |
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| hongbin | #topic Essential Blueprints Review | 16:07 |
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| hongbin | 1. Support baremetal container clusters (strigazi) | 16:07 |
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| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-baremetal-full-support | 16:08 |
| hongbin | strigazi: status? | 16:08 |
| adrian_otto | o/ | 16:08 |
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| strigazi | I don't have much this week, I was busy. Yuanying did some progress today | 16:08 |
| strigazi | I haven;t tested it yet | 16:08 |
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| hongbin | strigazi: Do you need any help for others for that? | 16:09 |
| strigazi | no, but | 16:09 |
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| strigazi | Does anyine want to work on this 1.1 Upgrade the Ironic image building elements to fedora 23 | 16:09 |
| strigazi | s/anyine/anyone | 16:10 |
| tango | I can give that a shot | 16:10 |
| strigazi | ok, thanks tango | 16:10 |
| hongbin | tango: thanks Ton | 16:10 |
| hongbin | Any other comment about this BP? | 16:11 |
| hongbin | 2. Magnum User Guide for Cloud Operator (tango) | 16:11 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide | 16:11 |
| tango | I have a patch for the Kubernetes section | 16:11 |
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| tango | Now working on the Swarm section | 16:11 |
| tango | For Mesos, I will wait for DCOS | 16:12 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326158/ User guide for kubernetes session | 16:12 |
| tango | but I will write it along side with the development | 16:12 |
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| tango | as WIP, so the section will be ready when we have DCOS bay | 16:12 |
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| tango | that's all for now | 16:13 |
| hongbin | Thanks Ton | 16:13 |
| muralia | tango: I can work on updating the bay driver section. | 16:13 |
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| tango | That would be great, please feel free to add yourself as co-author | 16:13 |
| muralia | sure | 16:13 |
| hongbin | Thanks muralia | 16:14 |
| hongbin | 3. COE Bay Drivers (jamie_h) | 16:14 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/bay-drivers | 16:14 |
| hongbin | muralia: you have any update? | 16:14 |
| muralia | So I've updated the implementation patch. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319973 | 16:14 |
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| muralia | please add comments. nothing is hooked up yet, but it has the new folder structure | 16:14 |
| muralia | and I've split the template_def files for swarm | 16:15 |
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| muralia | I'm woking on adding support for stevedore this week for dynamic loading | 16:15 |
| muralia | will submit another update soon | 16:15 |
| muralia | thats it for now | 16:16 |
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| hongbin | Thanks muralia . Comments from others? | 16:16 |
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| hongbin | 4. Create a magnum installation guide (strigazi) | 16:16 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-installation-guide | 16:17 |
| strigazi | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/magnum/install-guide-from-source.html | 16:17 |
| strigazi | \o/ | 16:17 |
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| hongbin | Yes, the patch was landed | 16:17 |
| adrian_otto | nice | 16:17 |
| strigazi | I'm testing the packaged guides now | 16:17 |
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| strigazi | on centos7 the guide is tested tested | 16:18 |
| strigazi | working in ubuntu/debian | 16:18 |
| strigazi | ubuntu takes the packages from debian | 16:18 |
| strigazi | the packaged guide will be in | 16:18 |
| strigazi | magnum/install-guide | 16:18 |
| strigazi | and will be automatically published on docs.openstack.org | 16:19 |
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| strigazi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326039/ | 16:19 |
| strigazi | with the above change | 16:20 |
| strigazi | that is all | 16:20 |
| tango | Nice | 16:20 |
| hongbin | strigazi: Thanks | 16:20 |
| hongbin | I want to take this chance to regconize strigazi | 16:20 |
| hongbin | He did a lot of work for hte installation guide | 16:21 |
| juggler_ | cheers strigazi! | 16:21 |
| mkrai | Thanks strigazi | 16:21 |
| strigazi | thank you all | 16:21 |
| hongbin | Really appreciate your contribution strigazi | 16:21 |
| hongbin | #topic Magnum UI Subteam Update (bradjones) | 16:22 |
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| adrian_otto | well done | 16:22 |
| hongbin | I updated you on behalf of Shu | 16:22 |
| hongbin | (Shu) I was investigating about registry service of Horizon, and I added one more BP [1] for tracking changes in Horizon. | 16:22 |
| hongbin | (Shu) For [1], I started implementing a patch [2] (but WIP). And I have set dependency for related BPs [3][4]. | 16:22 |
| hongbin | (Shu) [1] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum-ui/+spec/angular-registry | 16:22 |
| hongbin | (Shu) [2] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326289/ | 16:22 |
| hongbin | (Shu) [3] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum-ui/+spec/generic-detail-framework | 16:22 |
| hongbin | (Shu) [4] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum-ui/+spec/navigation-improvements | 16:22 |
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| hongbin | That's all from my side | 16:23 |
| hongbin | Comment? | 16:23 |
| hongbin | #topic Kuryr Integration Update (tango) | 16:24 |
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| hongbin | For this one, I attended the Kuryr team meeting this week | 16:24 |
| hongbin | AFAIK, fawadkhaliq is splitting the blueprints into smaller items so that the work can be shared. | 16:24 |
| hongbin | After that, we can work with Kuryr team to address individual items | 16:24 |
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| hongbin | The major the pending work is deploying Kuryr agent to bay | 16:25 |
| hongbin | That is all from me | 16:25 |
| tango__ | My session just crashed, rejoining | 16:26 |
| hongbin | tango: do you have anything to add? | 16:26 |
| hongbin | tango__: ^^ | 16:26 |
| tango__ | I connected with the Fuxi team and started a dialog with them | 16:26 |
| tango__ | they shared some charts | 16:26 |
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| tango__ | I will continue the discussion to see how we can collaborate | 16:27 |
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| tango__ | I also started working on integrating Kuryr to the Swarm bay | 16:27 |
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| tango__ | I have Kuryr working on devstack, still debugging on Swarm. | 16:27 |
| tango__ | Docker is able to talk to Kuryr on Swarm, but Kuryr is not talking to Neutron yet, so some more plumbing to be done | 16:29 |
| tango__ | That's all for now | 16:29 |
| hongbin | tango__: anything you need from the team on this efforts? | 16:29 |
| tango__ | I think I am OK for now | 16:29 |
| hongbin | tango__: Thanks Ton | 16:29 |
| hongbin | Comments from others? | 16:30 |
| hongbin | #topic Other blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas | 16:30 |
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| hongbin | 1. Support heterogenous cluster | 16:30 |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096380.html ML discussion | 16:30 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/manually-manage-bay-nodes the BP | 16:30 |
| hongbin | Let's continue the debate here | 16:31 |
| hongbin | For me, I support the idea of supporting heterogenious cluster | 16:31 |
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| hongbin | Because there are actual use cases for that | 16:31 |
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| hongbin | THere are different use cases reported by different people, so I guess the demand is universal | 16:32 |
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| hongbin | Any opposing point of view? | 16:32 |
| adrian_otto | My concern about this is that I don't want Magnum to encourage bad application architecture and ops practices. | 16:33 |
| kebray | hongbin, are the use cases documented on a wiki somewhere? | 16:33 |
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| hongbin | kebray: I listed the reported use cases in the BP | 16:33 |
| hongbin | There are several others in the ML | 16:33 |
| hongbin | adrian_otto: could you elaborate it further? | 16:33 |
| adrian_otto | and nobody has responded to my question about why these apps cant be deployed using multiple homogeneous bays. | 16:34 |
| kebray | great. thx. | 16:34 |
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| kebray | reviewing now | 16:34 |
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| hongbin | There are several disadvantage of deploying multiple homogeneous bays | 16:34 |
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| hongbin | 1. The etcd is not shared | 16:34 |
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| hongbin | 2. Waste of resources (extra master node, floating IP, cnder volume, ...) | 16:35 |
| hongbin | 3. Extra manual work to connect bays | 16:35 |
| adrian_otto | so what this is really about is allowing multiple resource groups, each with a different flavor_id. | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | and uniquely tagging the members of each resource group | 16:36 |
| adrian_otto | if that were the proposal, I'd be okay with that. | 16:36 |
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| hongbin | OK | 16:37 |
| tcammann | We want to enable "life cycle management" of these nova instances also | 16:37 |
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| kebray | I'm coming around to the concept, but still concerned Magnum will re-invent code that would be better served in Heat.. e.g., maybe heterogenous grouping w/tagging support belongs in Heat? | 16:38 |
| adrian_otto | the grouping certainly is already supported by Heat and nested templates. | 16:38 |
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| tango__ | Worth a discussion with the Heat team | 16:39 |
| Drago | I have a concern about Magnum doing more advanced management of clusters: There is a clustering service in OpenStack already - Senlin. | 16:39 |
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| adrian_otto | the tagging would be a function of the COE. We could make a way for a tag to be inherited from the resource group somehow. | 16:39 |
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| tcammann | I'm not sure it adds that much complexity. We still want to use heat to manage these clusters, I don't see how Senlin fits this picture at all. | 16:40 |
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| hongbin | For this requirement, Heat needs to support tagging nodes staticaly and update the tagging dynamically | 16:40 |
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| tango__ | Should we describe the requirement and get feedback from Heat team? | 16:41 |
| strigazi | +1 to tango, we should discuss with Heat team | 16:41 |
| Drago | A Senlin cluster could still be a resource in a template | 16:41 |
| hongbin | tango__: I think someone Heat team already response, (cannot find the link right now) | 16:41 |
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| adrian_otto | tcammann: Imagine we get to a point where we want Magnum to autoscale those bays. What policy should it use to decide which resource groups to scale, and under what conditions. That's where a scaling policy from Senlin may apply. | 16:41 |
| tango__ | +1 | 16:42 |
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| tcammann | We agreed we weren't solving autoscaling | 16:42 |
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| adrian_otto | tcammann: not yet. | 16:42 |
| Drago | And there has been talk about Senlin backing ResourceGroups in the future transparently | 16:42 |
| hongbin | I don't support autoscaling also. It doesn't seem to fit into Magnum | 16:42 |
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| adrian_otto | the concept of a bay resize gets much more complicated once you have a bunch or different resource groups | 16:43 |
| hongbin | We just need to have an API to list all resource groups | 16:43 |
| adrian_otto | either you treat them as related entities according to a policy, or you manage each group like an individual bay. | 16:43 |
| hongbin | In the proposal, I proposed to add an API to manage individual resource groups | 16:44 |
| hongbin | If this is implemented, users can scale individual groups | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | let's say that a COE wants to ann resources to a bay so it can scale out. How can it indicate which resource group should be updated? | 16:44 |
| adrian_otto | s/ann/add/ | 16:45 |
| hongbin | If there is one rsource group, scale that group | 16:45 |
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| tcammann | We shouldn't be mixing the discussion of heterogeneous bays with a feature (autoscaling) currently don't have an ask for and we have previously decided not to implement. | 16:45 |
| hongbin | If there is more than one resource group, return an error | 16:45 |
| adrian_otto | right, and if there are more than one, the choice is ambiguous | 16:45 |
| hongbin | Yes, like we can have two bays with same name | 16:46 |
| hongbin | THe choice is also ambigous | 16:46 |
| adrian_otto | tcammann: ideally we'd like to have the COE signal when to grow a bay, but this idea makes that impractical. | 16:46 |
| hongbin | But we support that, and I think it is goode | 16:46 |
| tcammann | adrian_otto: you can substitute COE for human in that sentence | 16:47 |
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| tcammann | And I think that is a problem we can solve | 16:47 |
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| adrian_otto | I think that needs a clear solution as part of the blueprint | 16:47 |
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| tcammann | We can have a master group (for the master nodes), a main group for the minion nodes and supplementary groups | 16:47 |
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| hongbin | We can have one resource group by default | 16:48 |
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| tcammann | Yes, we certainly can't implement this without a strong blueprint. We state this in the summit | 16:48 |
| tcammann | *stated | 16:48 |
| hongbin | With an option to specify multiple resource groups | 16:48 |
| hongbin | Yes, this BP requires a spec | 16:48 |
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| hongbin | In here, we need to decide if the direction is correct or not | 16:49 |
| tango__ | We should enumerate the different scenarios and describe the desired behavior | 16:49 |
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| tango__ | A spec would be helpful | 16:49 |
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| hongbin | Everyone agree to ask for a spec? | 16:49 |
| tcammann | hongbin: yes need agreement on direction then a volunteer to spec it | 16:50 |
| hongbin | Or anyone want to challenge the direction? | 16:50 |
| adrian_otto | so far, I'm not satisfied with it | 16:50 |
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| adrian_otto | but additional details could change my view. | 16:51 |
| tango__ | Direction = support heterogenous bay ? | 16:51 |
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| hongbin | tango__: yes | 16:51 |
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| tcammann | do you think this can be resolved in a spec discussion/review adrian_otto/ | 16:51 |
| tcammann | *? | 16:51 |
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| tango__ | design issues are to be discussed | 16:51 |
| adrian_otto | tcammann: yes | 16:51 |
| tango__ | I would favor a spec | 16:52 |
| hongbin | I have concern to have developers to work on a spec, then we reject the spec | 16:52 |
| hongbin | IMHO, we should agree on a direction before asking for a spec | 16:52 |
| hongbin | Maybe we could use the ML to clarify the design first | 16:52 |
| hongbin | Then, revisit it in the next team meeting | 16:53 |
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| adrian_otto | I'm open to revising the bp further | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | and I'll do my best to participate in any related discussion | 16:53 |
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| hongbin | OK, then let's work on the BP for now? | 16:53 |
| adrian_otto | using the ML for discussion, and getting a crisp BP ready | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | then we can secure agreement, and begin spec writing | 16:54 |
| hongbin | wfm | 16:54 |
| adrian_otto | -or- someone can just begin workign the spec with the expectation that it may not be accepted | 16:54 |
| tcammann | ML is going to attract noise... | 16:54 |
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| adrian_otto | I'd actually prefer jumping to a spec draft and using gerrit to work out the concerns | 16:55 |
| tcammann | having a spec in review does not mean it will ever be accepted :) | 16:55 |
| adrian_otto | tcammann +1 | 16:55 |
| hongbin | OK, then let's ask for a spec | 16:55 |
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| tcammann | I'll happily -2 until we get consensus :P | 16:55 |
| hongbin | #agreed Ask for a spec for the idea of supporting heteregenous bay | 16:55 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 16:56 |
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| adrian_otto | and I'd like to to further encourage us to source input from the Heat team to confirm we are not duplicating efforts | 16:56 |
| tcammann | Any plans for a midcycle? hongbin | 16:56 |
| hongbin | tcammann: so far, no from me | 16:56 |
| hongbin | Anyone interest to provide a host? | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | would you like to come back to Texas? | 16:57 |
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| tango__ | Texas is hot in the summer | 16:57 |
| adrian_otto | true. | 16:57 |
| hongbin | :) | 16:57 |
| tcammann | Can we put an ask out on the ML for a host? | 16:57 |
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| juggler_ | fyi, Fedora 24 is about to drop 6/14/16: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/24/Schedule | 16:58 |
| hongbin | #action hongbin send a ML to ask for a host for Magnum midcycle | 16:58 |
| tango__ | How about a timeframe? | 16:58 |
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| tango__ | July? | 16:58 |
| hongbin | Yes, possibly late June or July. Need to have Doodle to collect the time | 16:58 |
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| tcammann | doodle! | 16:59 |
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| hongbin | #action hongbin create a doodle pool for collecting midcycle time | 16:59 |
| hongbin | Last minutes | 16:59 |
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| strigazi | start ML dicsussion about host? | 17:00 |
| hongbin | Time is up | 17:00 |
| hongbin | strigazi: yes | 17:00 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-06-07-16.00.html | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/containers/2016/containers.2016-06-07-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #startmeeting murano | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 7 17:00:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'murano' | 17:00 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #topic rollcall | 17:01 |
| kzaitsev_mb | 0/ | 17:01 |
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| StanLagun | o/ | 17:01 |
| ddovbii | o/ | 17:01 |
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| oshykhkerimov | \o/ | 17:01 |
| vakovalchuk | o/ | 17:01 |
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| ativelkov | o/ | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Action Item Review | 17:03 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | We had just one — I was to ping our stable reviewers to get the backports in, and it's done | 17:03 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | However — we right now have stable/liberty and stable/mitaka blocked by a tempest update =( | 17:04 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326178/ | 17:05 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | this patch should unlock liberty | 17:05 |
| kzaitsev_mb | no solution for mitaka yet, but we'll work on that ) | 17:06 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | It has been 2 weeks and it's time to look at the bugs that qualify for backporting once again | 17:08 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Backporting bi-weekly review | 17:08 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | vakovalchuk compiled a list for today =) | 17:09 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-stable-backports | 17:09 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I think, that due to the gate problems we really didn't fix much during these 2 weeks, and most of what we had was gate related or wishlists/new features | 17:10 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | So, no patches to backport, but we still have some from the last time to tend. =) | 17:10 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Also FYI: stable/liberty is now in phase 2, meaning only critical and security patches are allowed | 17:11 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #topic Open Discussion | 17:11 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | feels like a monologue today =) | 17:11 |
| Nikolay_St | :D | 17:11 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Well I have a couple of news/updates to share | 17:12 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | 1) n1 has been released | 17:13 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325244/ | 17:13 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | Nikolay_St: may I ask you to ping the heat team about convergence, we've agreed to get back to it at n-1/n2 | 17:13 |
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| Nikolay_St | kzaitsev_ws: sure | 17:14 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | also kilo is in the process of being EOL'ed; I've asked the stable team to sign off a final release before we eol the branch | 17:15 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325359/ | 17:15 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #action Nikolay_St ping heat team if it's a good idea to enable convergence on our CI | 17:16 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | #action kzaitsev_mb vakovalchuk see that backports from prev review iteration are merged | 17:19 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Oh, one more thing! | 17:19 |
| StanLagun | new iPhone??? | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | We had https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323340/ this thing merged. | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | StanLagun: I wish =)) | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323340/ | 17:20 |
| kzaitsev_mb | So we now have a separate group for murano-apps-core, that currently includes me and murano-core | 17:21 |
| kzaitsev_mb | Going to probably propose adding folks there through ML in the coming days | 17:22 |
| kzaitsev_mb | And that it the last piece of updates I have. =) | 17:23 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | doesnt look like we have any more topics to discuss, so I think I'll finish the meeting early today, going to waity 5 more mins =) | 17:27 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | ok, thanks everyone for attending today! =) | 17:34 |
| kzaitsev_mb | #endmeeting | 17:35 |
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| catherineD|2 | #link meeting agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-06-07 | 19:00 |
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| catherineD|2 | #startmeeting refstack | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 7 19:00:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is catherineD|2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'refstack' | 19:00 |
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| pvaneck | o/ | 19:01 |
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| sslypushenko | o/ | 19:02 |
| catherineD|2 | #link meeting agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-meeting-16-06-07 | 19:02 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 19:02 |
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| catherineD|2 | hi everyone | 19:03 |
| catherineD|2 | #topic RefStack branches decision for refstack.openstack.org site | 19:03 |
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| catherineD|2 | so last week we discuss using feature, production or point-in-time branch (like 2016.06, 2016.10 ...) | 19:04 |
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| catherineD|2 | do we have any further info ? | 19:05 |
| pvaneck | I think the cleanesst way is to just make a single branch called 'prod' then have puppet pull from that instead of master. | 19:05 |
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| sslypushenko | no | 19:06 |
| sslypushenko | no prod) | 19:06 |
| catherineD|2 | sslypushenko: reason? | 19:06 |
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| sslypushenko | current tags even better than prod) | 19:06 |
| sslypushenko | it will take to much resources to support | 19:07 |
| sslypushenko | we need release branches | 19:07 |
| catherineD|2 | currently the tag is created from the master | 19:07 |
| sslypushenko | definately | 19:07 |
| pvaneck | what if master has a change that we dont want in the site just yet? | 19:07 |
| pvaneck | cant cherry pick into tags | 19:07 |
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| sslypushenko | yeap... but it does not cost us any efforts for support) | 19:08 |
| pvaneck | i was testing the prod branch setup with a local gerrit/git | 19:08 |
| catherineD|2 | sslypushenko: but it does not support what we want to do which is cherry pick commit that we want | 19:09 |
| pvaneck | it works reasonably well. all we need is the pushMerge acl permission added for the refstack-release group | 19:09 |
| sslypushenko | so.. again... we need branch per release... and maybe tags from these branches to publish it | 19:09 |
| Rockyg | catherineD|2, branches support cherry picking | 19:09 |
| catherineD|2 | Rockyg: tag does not | 19:09 |
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| Rockyg | right which is why we need branches | 19:10 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD|2: what wrong with idea, that we agreed last meeting? | 19:10 |
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| sslypushenko | I meant idea of release branches? | 19:10 |
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| Rockyg | once branched, you can tag until you have an incompatibility that requires a new branch | 19:10 |
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| Rockyg | sslypushenko, yup | 19:11 |
| catherineD|2 | sslypushenko: I agreed on creating a branch .... whether we call it release or prod or point-in-time | 19:11 |
| Rockyg | should follow release numbe scheme that rest of community uses. | 19:11 |
| catherineD|2 | so let's do this ...please +1 if you agree that we need to create a branch | 19:11 |
| Rockyg | +1 | 19:12 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD|2: again... I have some experience with prod-branch-workflow... it was awful | 19:12 |
| Rockyg | semver numbering | 19:12 |
| catherineD|2 | let discuss that later ... first let's agree on creating a branch | 19:12 |
| Rockyg | yeah. don't call it prod. | 19:12 |
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| pvaneck | we dont have the ability to delete branches also | 19:13 |
| sslypushenko | but it should be just some branch... I should kind of release | 19:13 |
| sslypushenko | It is the main point | 19:13 |
| Rockyg | give it a number when it's a release. | 19:13 |
| Rockyg | don't call it release, either. | 19:13 |
| catherineD|2 | pvaneck: sslypushenko: I take that you agree on creating a branch ... we will discuss kind of branch later | 19:14 |
| sslypushenko | ok... lets do it in this way) | 19:14 |
| Rockyg | talk to dhellmann. he'll help work this naming out | 19:14 |
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| catherineD|2 | Rockyg: will do | 19:14 |
| catherineD|2 | Rockyg: how about invite him here if he is available? | 19:15 |
| pvaneck | so from puppet's perspective... | 19:15 |
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| pvaneck | if we have multiple branches, puppet will get the last one when a branch list is sorted? | 19:16 |
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| sslypushenko | yeap | 19:16 |
| Rockyg | That's why I used his nick;-) | 19:16 |
| sslypushenko | latest one, matches to | 19:16 |
| sslypushenko | schema | 19:16 |
| catherineD|2 | pvaneck: that is presumably that we deploy from branch master not tag ? | 19:17 |
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| catherineD|2 | Rockyg: ic | 19:17 |
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| Rockyg | Also, you can go to openstack-release and talk with thieery, dhellmann, dims for help. | 19:18 |
| pvaneck | catherineD|2, just trying to determine how puppet should be configured. Will likely have to do some pre-calculation to determine which branch puppet should pull from | 19:18 |
| catherineD|2 | Rockyg: ok | 19:19 |
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| catherineD|2 | sslypushenko: pvaneck: I am OK if we go with multuple branches and let puppet to choose the last one | 19:20 |
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| sslypushenko | catherineD|2: great) | 19:20 |
| catherineD|2 | no tag then? | 19:20 |
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| pvaneck | wont be neccessary | 19:21 |
| Rockyg | yup | 19:21 |
| Rockyg | highest number | 19:21 |
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| catherineD|2 | we will check with the release team on how to name the branch | 19:21 |
| catherineD|2 | but we agreed that ... | 19:21 |
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| catherineD|2 | #agreed Use multuple branches and name the branches in such a way to let puppet to choose the last one | 19:23 |
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| catherineD|2 | hopefully we do not need to create too many branches | 19:23 |
| catherineD|2 | any other thoughts on this subject? | 19:23 |
| catherineD|2 | in this case we also do not need to delete previous branches right? | 19:24 |
| Rockyg | should only need a branch for a major release, not for bugfixes or new/expanded features. | 19:24 |
| catherineD|2 | Rockyg: yea | 19:25 |
| Rockyg | Major only happens on incompatible changes | 19:25 |
| catherineD|2 | anything else? | 19:25 |
| catherineD|2 | Rockyg: In our case Major will be exposing the new UI entity like allowing for vendor and product registration | 19:26 |
| catherineD|2 | moving on ... | 19:26 |
| Rockyg | thanks | 19:26 |
| catherineD|2 | #topic Allow passing of a custom guideline URL in report page UI | 19:26 |
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| catherineD|2 | The concern on custom URL is security | 19:27 |
| catherineD|2 | currently refstack fetches the guidelines from DefCore repository which is a known site ... | 19:28 |
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| pvaneck | yea, the only way to ensure we can pull data from external URLs is if we have the Refstack server do it | 19:28 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD|2: now we are going to have schema validation | 19:28 |
| catherineD|2 | is there security concern on a random and unknown URL | 19:28 |
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| Rockyg | I would certainly think so. | 19:29 |
| sslypushenko | so we can ensure that this url serves exactly some schema | 19:29 |
| catherineD|2 | pvaneck: is there security concern with API server pull it? | 19:29 |
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| catherineD|2 | sslypushenko: is valication of schema good enough .. do we concern about the content for security reason? | 19:31 |
| pvaneck | catherineD|2, probably, but not sure if we need other precautions other than schema validation | 19:31 |
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| sslypushenko | validation based on jsonschema is good enough | 19:32 |
| catherineD|2 | ok | 19:32 |
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| sslypushenko | I don't want to deal with storing artifacts which can require versioing | 19:33 |
| catherineD|2 | so we agree on pulling the external guideline from the API server ? | 19:33 |
| catherineD|2 | sslypushenko: could you explain ... | 19:34 |
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| catherineD|2 | dhellmann: thank you! | 19:34 |
| sslypushenko | I guess API server can work only as cache proxy, like it now works | 19:34 |
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| sslypushenko | just with user's url | 19:35 |
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| dhellmann | catherineD|2 : let me know when you're ready to discuss that again, I don't want to derail the current topic | 19:35 |
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| catherineD|2 | dhellmann: I think we are ready now ... thanks for your help | 19:35 |
| catherineD|2 | let me give some back ground info | 19:36 |
| dhellmann | catherineD|2 : so it sounds like you need branches for stable releases? | 19:36 |
| catherineD|2 | sort of ... | 19:36 |
| sslypushenko | dhellmann: yeap | 19:36 |
| dhellmann | hmm, ok, I'll wait for clarification of that "sort of" :-) | 19:36 |
| catherineD|2 | currently the refstack.openstack.org site is deployed from tag created from the master branch | 19:37 |
| Rockyg | the key here is that the production server would need to update based on new release. | 19:37 |
| sslypushenko | not related to OpenStack releases, but we assume that these release will be stable | 19:37 |
| catherineD|2 | we do have new features in development that we do not want to deploy to the site until later ... so we think of creating a branch that not include the new feature in the master branch | 19:38 |
| dhellmann | ok | 19:38 |
| dhellmann | the way our tools work right now, we can support stable/* branches for releasing off of old things, but it doesn't sound like that's what you want | 19:38 |
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| catherineD|2 | so we will create a point-in-time branch for the site | 19:39 |
| dhellmann | instead it sounds like you want to use feature/* branches for doing work that isn't ready to release | 19:39 |
| dhellmann | and then merge those into master | 19:39 |
| dhellmann | OTOH, that gets a bit expensive in terms of creating and deleting branches all the time | 19:39 |
| dhellmann | most of the other teams are developing in a way that allows for continuous deployment, whether a feature is fully implemented or not | 19:39 |
| dhellmann | is that possible for you? | 19:39 |
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| catherineD|2 | we are operating in the CD now ... and think that it does not work for us ... for example we do not want to expose some of the UI prematurely | 19:41 |
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| catherineD|2 | our thought that the new features will be developed in master ... deployment will be from a brach | 19:41 |
| dhellmann | that's going to be a lot more work for you to merge changes from master into the branch when you're ready to deploy | 19:42 |
| catherineD|2 | and hope that the puppet will choose the last branch that we create | 19:42 |
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| dhellmann | our gerrit workflow is not set up to make that especially easy, because we don't do that anywhere else | 19:42 |
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| catherineD|2 | dhellmann: ic ... | 19:42 |
| dhellmann | I don't know how hard it would be to convince puppet to pick the "latest" branch like that | 19:42 |
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| dhellmann | what sort of UI changes would you consider "premature"? | 19:43 |
| catherineD|2 | we are working on allowing vendor registration ... | 19:43 |
| catherineD|2 | product registration will follow ... | 19:44 |
| sslypushenko | dhellmann: catherineD|2: to simplify things we can create a tag from top of required brach. then gerrit will deploy code from this tag | 19:44 |
| Rockyg | dhellmann, so work the branch like a stable release. Tags for bugfixes, small, compatible changes, new branch for big changes | 19:44 |
| dhellmann | if you have a small number of large features like that, feature branches can work well. if you want a lot of new branches, it's going to be more work for you than other approaches like feature flags to turn features off until they're complete | 19:44 |
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| catherineD|2 | we do not want user to see the UI allowing creation of vendor and then have no link to the data etc .. | 19:45 |
| dhellmann | Rockyg : the difference is that you only ever want one deployment branch, if there is only one deployed instance | 19:45 |
| Rockyg | similar release cycle, but not coordinated with the dev cycles | 19:45 |
| Rockyg | dhellmann, thinking on that... | 19:46 |
| dhellmann | how often do these sorts of things come up for you? is this one big new feature? or is this how features are always added to refstack? | 19:46 |
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| catherineD|2 | dhellmann: not very often .. this is the first time with big feature and we do not want user to see yet | 19:47 |
| dhellmann | ok, in that case I recommend creating a feature/ branch, develop the feature there, merge the results into master when you're ready, then delete the branch | 19:47 |
| dhellmann | that way you can keep deploying from master | 19:47 |
| catherineD|2 | dhellmann: ic | 19:48 |
| catherineD|2 | dhellmann: thank you very much for your time.... | 19:48 |
| Rockyg | Thanks! | 19:49 |
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| catherineD|2 | dhellmann: thank for preventing us from go down the wrong path ... | 19:49 |
| sslypushenko | dhellmann: Thx! | 19:50 |
| dhellmann | I'm glad I could help! I'm not sure who will have permissions to create the branch for you, but if you don't either I or the infra team should be able to. | 19:50 |
| catherineD|2 | dhellmann: do we need to submit a patch to create the feature branch? | 19:51 |
| dhellmann | catherineD|2 : no, you can try to do that directly in gerrit. Let me find the right page for you... | 19:51 |
| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/projects/openstack/refstack,branches | 19:51 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD|2: yeap, we need extra permissions | 19:51 |
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| dhellmann | it looks like I can create branches in that repo, so if you tell me the SHA of the commit where you want it, and the name you want to use, I can do it for you | 19:51 |
| catherineD|2 | dhellmann: thanks again! | 19:51 |
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| catherineD|2 | dhellmann: ok will contact you later ! | 19:52 |
| dhellmann | sounds good, drop by #openstack-release to find me | 19:52 |
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| catherineD|2 | dhellmann: will do | 19:52 |
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| catherineD|2 | team ... we will need to revoke our agreement to create multiple branches earlier | 19:53 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD|2: feature braches works for me | 19:53 |
| sslypushenko | I guess it will work for others too | 19:54 |
| Rockyg | +1 for feature branches. | 19:54 |
| pvaneck | sure, can make it now if you want since you have permission | 19:56 |
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| catherineD|2 | #agreed Use feature branch for development of new features and master branch for deployment (business as usual) ... (this supersedes the earlier agreement) | 19:56 |
| catherineD|2 | great | 19:56 |
| catherineD|2 | 4 mins left | 19:56 |
| catherineD|2 | let go back to the external guideline discussion | 19:56 |
| pvaneck | i guess i will work on the vendor/product UI stuff on that feature branch? | 19:57 |
| catherineD|2 | pvaneck: I think so | 19:57 |
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| sslypushenko | catherineD|2: for external guideline - only one thing we need - is validation | 19:57 |
| catherineD|2 | I guess we all agree that the external guidelines should be served from the API server (not sure whether we have logged that agreement | 19:58 |
| sslypushenko | than API server will cache it and operate like we do now with Defcore one | 19:59 |
| sslypushenko | catherineD|2: I'd prefer to not stote guidelines in RefStack | 19:59 |
| sslypushenko | because it requires versioning | 19:59 |
| sslypushenko | lets go to #refstack channel | 20:00 |
| catherineD|2 | #agreed External guideline will be served from the API server. Schema validation of the guidelines are required. Guideline will be cached and not store on the API server | 20:00 |
| catherineD|2 | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 7 20:00:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-06-07-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-06-07-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/refstack/2016/refstack.2016-06-07-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
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