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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 13 14:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | who's around? | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
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| bauzas | \o | 14:01 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | small crowd - lots of empty seats! | 14:01 |
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| edleafe | wait another minute for latecomers to arrive | 14:02 |
| jaypipes | morning. | 14:02 |
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| diga | o/ | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | Nobody added anything to the agenda, so I'm guessing that this will be quick | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #topic specs | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "specs (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:03 | |
| edleafe | Anyone have a spec they'd like to focus on? | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: I'm still working on redoing the resource-providers-allocations and dynamic-resource-classes specs. been focusing on trying to get cdent's patches around inventories reviewed. | 14:04 |
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| _gryf | o/ | 14:04 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 14:04 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: cool. Any estimate of when the reworked specs will be up for review? | 14:04 |
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| bauzas | FWIW, my current review effort is on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326440/14/ | 14:05 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: by next monday. | 14:05 |
| edleafe | bauzas: yes, that's the first of cdent's series | 14:06 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: out in CA monday through wednesday this week... | 14:06 |
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| cdent | bauzas, edleafe, jaypipes I just pushed a changes across that stack | 14:06 |
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| edleafe | #info jaypipes to be useless for most of this week :) | 14:06 |
| edleafe | hehehe | 14:06 |
| edleafe | #undo | 14:07 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x7fe237670d90> | 14:07 |
| cdent | mostly in the api and the delete_inventory stuff (added add and update) | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | cdent: coolio. will try to re-review while in meetings this morning. | 14:07 |
| bauzas | cdent: yeah just saw | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: :) | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | cdent: I really like the first effort on the API stuff. | 14:07 |
| cdent | awesome, thanks | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | cdent: ++ on that. | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | cdent: as little usage of nova.wsgi as possible. | 14:07 |
| edleafe | yes, that's looking good, cdent | 14:07 |
| cdent | jaypipes: I got rid of the rest of it | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | sweetness. | 14:07 |
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| edleafe | #topic reviews | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:08 | |
| edleafe | we've been kind of on this topic anyways... | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: and I know I owe you more review and discussion time on the qualitative side of the equation. | 14:08 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: cdent: not sure I like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293104/57/nova/api/openstack/placement/handlers/aggregate.py@40 but let's discuss this in the change itself | 14:08 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: thanks. I know that won't make it for newton, but I'd appreciate calrifying the direction | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: that is updating the aggregates for a resource provider. | 14:09 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: yeah, I think it's just a naming problem | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: not updating the aggregate info itself. | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: sure fair enough. | 14:09 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: yup, fortunatly | 14:09 |
| cdent | bauzas: as I say in the commit message aggregates and allocations are currently broken, so that stuff will change quite a bit | 14:09 |
| bauzas | okay | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | BTW, best thing anyone can do right now for reviews is get the f-ing Citrix XenServer CI out of the gate rotation. It's crapped out yet again. | 14:10 |
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| cdent | I'm going to break the api patch into multiple commits, either later today or tomorrow | 14:10 |
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| jaypipes | cdent: ++ the sooner the better. I offered a possible patch split strategy in my review yesterday. | 14:10 |
| cdent | ✔ | 14:11 |
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| edleafe | So it looks like cdent patch series beginning with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326440 should get as many eyes as possible | 14:12 |
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| bauzas | cdent: jaypipes: I'm a bit concerned by seeing the API handlers quite different from what I'm used to, but I guess it's something you wanted | 14:12 |
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| cdent | bauzas: it wasn't just us | 14:13 |
| cdent | Multiple people requested that it not be like nova.wsgi | 14:13 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: yes. | 14:13 |
| bauzas | which means that I need to learn another foreign language when reviewing, and other people to speak another language, but okay | 14:14 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: pls talk with cdent and sdague about that API stuff in #openstack-nova | 14:14 |
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| bauzas | FWIW, I'd by far wait for other reviewers giving their own opinions before we merge that one | 14:14 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: pls discuss that with sdague :) | 14:14 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: not trying to shush you off, just need to leave for a meeting shortly ;) | 14:15 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I'm just saying I'm not against, just that it needs a bit of people saying +1/+2 before we merge it :) | 14:15 |
| bauzas | but okay | 14:15 |
| edleafe | bauzas: good idea. Let's keep the discussion going on the patches themselves | 14:16 |
| edleafe | There is also the multiple host spec: https://review.openstack.org/276840 | 14:17 |
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| bauzas | anyway, I'm not an API expert, so that's why I'd love some other people hitting that change :) | 14:17 |
| edleafe | I've posted a WIP patchset as a strawman for discussing implementation, too: https://review.openstack.org/327809 | 14:17 |
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| edleafe | Feedback is welcome | 14:17 |
| bauzas | edleafe: well, the problem is that check-destinations was not a prio | 14:18 |
| bauzas | edleafe: that leaves me thinking that multiple-hosts is not, too | 14:18 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: I read through that and didn't have anything negative on it. ++ from me. I'll add a review. | 14:18 |
| bauzas | but let's discuss that with the other folks (again) | 14:18 |
| edleafe | bauzas: hmmm... that wasn't my impression, but I could be wrong | 14:19 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: thx | 14:19 |
| bauzas | edleafe: no worries, just explaining you that my own BP was "medium" :) | 14:19 |
| edleafe | bauzas: ack | 14:19 |
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| edleafe | OK, any other reviews that need some love? | 14:20 |
| edleafe | #topic Opens | 14:21 |
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| diga | jaypipes, edleafe : is there anything I can contribute. I am eager to start on nova scheduler | 14:21 |
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| edleafe | diga: how familiar are you with the current code? | 14:21 |
| diga | I know about nova code | 14:21 |
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| diga | edleafe: I have written one filter scheduler at havana release - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/license-cost-aware-vm-placement | 14:22 |
| diga | for this BP | 14:22 |
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| diga | but somehow it is not approved | 14:23 |
| edleafe | diga: I would start reviewing the changes for the Resource Providers specs. One is: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/resource-providers-allocations | 14:23 |
| diga | edleafe: okay | 14:23 |
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| edleafe | diga: the reason I suggest those specs is that we're changing how resources are represented for the scheduler | 14:24 |
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| diga | edleafe: okay | 14:24 |
| edleafe | diga: Once you get the basic design that we're creating, the code to implement it will make a lot more sense | 14:24 |
| diga | edleafe: I will go through this | 14:24 |
| diga | edleafe: sure | 14:24 |
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| diga | +1 | 14:25 |
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| edleafe | diga: great! We can use all the help we can get! :) | 14:25 |
| diga | edleafe: Thanks for considering :) | 14:25 |
| bauzas | well, not sure the resource-providers blueprints are the easiest to review, but okay... | 14:25 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: oh, yes, not the easiest at all | 14:25 |
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| jaypipes | sorry folks, I need to run off now... | 14:26 |
| edleafe | bauzas: but if diga already has some familiarity with the scheduler, that's the bigggest change in direction since Havana | 14:26 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: happy travels! | 14:26 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: yup, at least saying that's worth knowing what's going to be changed | 14:26 |
| bauzas | ie. reading the specs | 14:27 |
| edleafe | bauzas: 'zactly | 14:27 |
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| edleafe | Anything else to discuss? Or can I give you all back 32 minutes of your day? | 14:28 |
| bauzas | <3 | 14:28 |
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| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:28 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 13 14:28:33 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-06-13-14.00.html | 14:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-06-13-14.00.txt | 14:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-06-13-14.00.log.html | 14:28 |
| edleafe | Thanks everyone! | 14:28 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: Spain vs. Czech Rep. will thank you :p | 14:29 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: :) | 14:29 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 13 15:01:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
| rossella_s | hi | 15:01 |
| korzen | hello | 15:01 |
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| slunkad | hello | 15:01 |
| jlibosva | o/ | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:02 |
| * ihrachys notes he should really clean up that agenda page... | 15:02 | |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to clean up agenda page | 15:02 |
| dasm | o/ | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #topic Actions from the last meeting | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from the last meeting (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:03 | |
| ihrachys | "ihrachys to walk thru topic:ovo and change topics where applicable" | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | well I checked some and changed topics for some | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | we still have patches there that I thought maybe are not mature enough to show up in review page anyway | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | "rossella_s to come up with specific list of TODOs for port object" | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: that's yours | 15:03 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, shame on me, I haven't done it yet | 15:04 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, I promise I will do that this week | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | #action to come up with specific list of TODOs for port object | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | #action rossella_s to come up with specific list of TODOs for port object | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: ack | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | I am pretty sure nothing happened on that front | 15:05 |
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| korzen | I have done the patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326366/ to break the gate and it broke :D | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | but I remember that korzen tried to break the job we have and it failed! | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | YAY | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | meaning, it works as we expect | 15:05 |
| rossella_s | :) | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: do you have a plan on getting DVR done? it should not be too hard, right? we had it passing before. | 15:06 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, I'm not planning to do it this week... | 15:07 |
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| korzen | I'm focusing more on Subnet OVO | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | anyone brave enough to roll it the next few weeks? | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | it will involve some boring infra setup | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to come up with a plan for getting dvr grenade multinode voting | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | I will take it unless someone else have cycles, in which case I am happy to move it to your plate | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Object implementation (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:09 | |
| rossella_s | thanks ihrachys | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | there was A LOT of progress on objects and related topic | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | *topics | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | maybe not that much landed, but we'll get there | 15:09 |
| rossella_s | yay | 15:09 |
| korzen | jupi :) | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | first, query hook mechanism added to objects: https://review.openstack.org/328304 | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | that one is waiting for CI to go into merge queue | 15:10 |
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| rossella_s | :) | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | among other things, I realized that qos policy shared filter was broken in Mitaka by RBAC object changes. Fix uses the mechanism jlibosva added: https://review.openstack.org/328313 | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | I also have patches for qos plugin to support pagination/sorting: https://review.openstack.org/328259 and https://review.openstack.org/328273 (using Pager object we introduced lately) | 15:11 |
| rossella_s | so productive you are :p | 15:12 |
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| ihrachys | there is also PortSecurity objects including db code conversion that I believe are ready for review: https://review.openstack.org/327257 | 15:12 |
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| ihrachys | what else.. | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | obviously, we have subnetpools: https://review.openstack.org/300056 | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | but that one will probably need some rebases on top of other patches, right? | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: ? | 15:13 |
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| jlibosva | I'll rebase once we merge hooking mechanism | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | ok cool. | 15:13 |
| jlibosva | CI failed btw :) | 15:13 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva: yeah, but not your fault it seem | 15:14 |
| jlibosva | of course not mine! | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | haha | 15:14 |
| korzen | I have published the Subnet OVO patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321001/ What I need to do is to fix the tests... | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | we also have sec groups patch from sayalilunkad: https://review.openstack.org/284738 | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | sec groups are actually quite a good one, I think with due effort it is a good candidate to land in next week, | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: all places using the model switched? | 15:15 |
| ihrachys | CI is red, that may take time to fix all that :) | 15:15 |
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| slunkad | ihrachys: yes possibly | 15:16 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, I have made the db plugin common/v2 to use it while get, update and delete | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | one interesting thing that jlibosva surfaced with subnetpools is lack of support for CaS updates in objects interface | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva has a WIP here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327207/ | 15:17 |
| korzen | I have great fun trying to implement the 'shared' attribute | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: wait why do you implement it | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | korzen: we have all support in base classes? | 15:17 |
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| korzen | shared in subnet is based on shared in network | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: if it's rbac, we have metaclass for that; otherwise it's a mere hook registration for queries | 15:18 |
| korzen | the current rbac does not support it | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | oh | 15:18 |
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| ihrachys | ok, I probably talk non-sense then :) | 15:18 |
| korzen | I have introduced the lookup method for network shared state | 15:18 |
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| korzen | but I'm not proud of it, :( | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | I see | 15:18 |
| korzen | maybe I need to modify the rbac | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | we may want to have that piece as a separate patch since it sounds like touching base mechanisms | 15:19 |
| korzen | I can take a look if shared is not required in tests | 15:19 |
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| ihrachys | anyway, that's a great progress. | 15:20 |
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| ihrachys | I think we are still sometimes blocked by missing reviewers though. | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | even though I try to pull relevant people in ;) | 15:21 |
| korzen | anyone is willing to write the progress report this week? | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | it's 2 weeks already? | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | I can do it | 15:22 |
| korzen | I have posted it on 2dn June | 15:22 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to send a bi-weekly to openstack-dev@ | 15:22 |
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| ihrachys | anything more on objects? questions? concerns? | 15:23 |
| korzen | ihrachys, thanks :) | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: anything from your side? | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: do you think you will be able to review this week? | 15:24 |
| jlibosva | one question on future steps and plan | 15:24 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, nope, last week I was busy with other stuff | 15:24 |
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| jlibosva | do we plan to introduce objects first just in order to make live db migration possible and then we'll start using objects over rpc? | 15:24 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, yes I will devote some hours to review for sure, feel free to ping me whenever needed | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | rossella_s: btw do you track object related changes in vlan-aware-vms? | 15:24 |
| stajkowski | ihrachys: rossella_s there are just some implementation questions on ovo from our team, is it possible to setup a time where we could address these as a group | 15:24 |
| rossella_s | ihrachys, yes | 15:24 |
| stajkowski | seems a few devs are stuck | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: I think once we have objects, we can use them in rpc. | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: f.e. kevinbenton plans to use subnet for rpc refactor spec | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | I saw other people talking about using rpc callbacks | 15:25 |
| rossella_s | stajkowski, this meeting is a good place I think | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | in l3 agent extensions spec at least | 15:25 |
| stajkowski | rossella_s: then we can compile and send over for next week | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | stajkowski: what's your team? | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | is it some feature like vlan-aware-vms? or just some company? | 15:26 |
| stajkowski | ihrachys: osic neutron, intel/rackspace, we have about 4 devs working with you, tony tan, john perkins, victor and sai | 15:26 |
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| ihrachys | oh ok. yeah, please ping us on irc. | 15:26 |
| stajkowski | ihrachys: will do ty | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | it's pretty hard to know what issues you have if you don't | 15:26 |
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| jlibosva | ihrachys: so my question was whether we plan to do the whole server side first and then start rpc | 15:27 |
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| jlibosva | or it can happen for certain objects while we still have ongoing work for different resources | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: I personally plan to focus on db, but no, I don't see a reason to block rpc if someone has interest in that specific part | 15:27 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: I will help with reviews for that too | 15:27 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva: do I hear you stepping in or what? :D | 15:28 |
| amotoki | jlibosva: does anyone plan to update RPC interface now? | 15:28 |
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| ihrachys | amotoki: at least for dhcp agent, yes, there is a spec that relies on rpc callbacks for subnet updates. | 15:28 |
| korzen | are we talking about converting the calls to rpc callback? | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | but not systematically for what I know | 15:28 |
| amotoki | ah i see. | 15:28 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: yes, that's the question from jlibosva as I understand it | 15:29 |
| jlibosva | I was just wondering whether there is a plan :) | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | I don't think there is plan needed at this point. it's a general understanding that yes, it will be used on rpc side of things too | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | does that answer a question? or you think it's silly not to have a detailed plan today for that? | 15:30 |
| jlibosva | it answers, thanks | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | ok good :) | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | anything to discuss? | 15:31 |
| amotoki | generic qustion | 15:31 |
| amotoki | i have a question on the relationship between keystone v3 migration and ovo conversion. | 15:32 |
| korzen | that is the good one | 15:32 |
| amotoki | should we use rename_column from tenant_id to project_id, or do we use ovo from project_id? | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: for new objects, we use project_id I think. I think we have an example somewhere | 15:33 |
| amotoki | i haven't synced with both efforts well, but let me ask it. | 15:33 |
| amotoki | ihrachys: yes we already started to use project_id | 15:33 |
| jlibosva | from objects perspective - shouldn't we just rely on model? | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: no, I mean ovo | 15:33 |
| korzen | I have added the project_id to Subnet OVO, but in order to be backward compatible, I have added the property tenant_id, so that the user can do subnet.tenant_id and it will return the project_id | 15:34 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva: yes. but for old resources that have tenant_id in model, we already use project-id in OVO | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/objects/subnet.py#L152 | 15:35 |
| amotoki | ihrachys: perhaps my understanding is same. we use project_id for new objects and still have tenant_id for existing db model. | 15:35 |
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| ihrachys | so it's translated into tenant_id when it reaches db_api | 15:35 |
| amotoki | If I understand correctly, the next step of keystone v3 effort is db stuff. | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | once models are switched to project-id too, we just remove that translation | 15:35 |
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| korzen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321001/2/neutron/objects/subnet.py@175 | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | in that way, we don't change fields for the object. | 15:36 |
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| korzen | here is how to expose project_id as tenant_id | 15:36 |
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| jlibosva | maybe I'm just not familiar with the keystone migration process/plan, does it mean Neutron won't be keystone v2 compat? | 15:36 |
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| amotoki | jlibosva: in kyestone v3 migration plan, we will rename all tenant-id fields to project_id FINALLY. | 15:37 |
| dasm | amotoki: yes. next step with keystone v3 is prepare offline migration to rename tenant -> project | 15:37 |
| amotoki | so the question is to rename tenant_id column or we handle renaming to project_id by ovo. | 15:37 |
| amotoki | this is the reason I asked | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: please rename in the db while you can | 15:38 |
| korzen | amotoki, both? | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | in ovo, we will do it for existing objects that may still have tenant_id | 15:38 |
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| ihrachys | but that may require some compat code | 15:38 |
| jlibosva | amotoki: does it mean Neutron won't be able to talk to keystone v2, if tenant_id will be gone? | 15:38 |
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| amotoki | jlibosva: no. it is dealt by keystoneauth library. we can continue to talk to kyestone v2 | 15:39 |
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| jlibosva | amotoki: aha, thanks | 15:39 |
| korzen | My understanding is that we cannot sent project_id over RPC because of backward compat | 15:40 |
| amotoki | ihrachys: thanks for the clarification. we can rename tenant_id_to project_id in the keystone v3 work and ovo can deal with tenant_id (if needed) | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | korzen: we can if we do it in rolling way. | 15:40 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: right. I don't think we are tightly coupled. | 15:41 |
| amotoki | i just want to clarify we will support API live upgrade in neutron. if we rename tenant_id to project-id, we cannot do API live upgrade in newton. | 15:41 |
| amotoki | does it match to the current plan? | 15:42 |
| korzen | ihrachys, I meant that we would drop the tenant_id immediately | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: not sure what you mean by 'API live upgrade' | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: mixed controller versions? no, it does not get support for M->N upgrades | 15:43 |
| korzen | amotoki, do you mean like multiple neutron server running in different version in the same? | 15:43 |
| amotoki | ihrachys: yes. mixed version of controller versions | 15:43 |
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| ihrachys | amotoki: no, it does not affect you since it won't be supported. | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: overall, if there were a solution for that, it would involve much more than special casing for tenant-id. | 15:45 |
| amotoki | ihrachys: ah..... sorry 'no' is correct in English. | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | it requires a complete api versioning | 15:45 |
| amotoki | i would like to mean 'no'. | 15:45 |
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| ihrachys | amotoki: does it answer your question? | 15:46 |
| amotoki | ihrachys: yes I got the answer. | 15:46 |
| amotoki | we use a contract migartion to rename tenant_id to project_id. right? | 15:46 |
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| ihrachys | right | 15:46 |
| dasm | amotoki: yes. | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | any more questions? comments? concerns? | 15:47 |
| korzen | amotoki, the API would accept both tenant_id and project_id? | 15:47 |
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| amotoki | korzen: yes. that's the plan now. | 15:48 |
| korzen | amotoki, ok, that's nice | 15:48 |
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| amotoki | dasm is the main person who is now working on it. i should help it. | 15:48 |
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| ihrachys | amotoki: do you have a plan to remove support for tenant? it's actually a breaking change for api if we decide to remove it. | 15:49 |
| amotoki | ihrachys: we cannot drop tenant_id support until API versioning comes. | 15:49 |
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| amotoki | sorry for slow progress.... | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | right. making sure we don't just pull the rug from under our users in say two cycles | 15:50 |
| amotoki | at least we don't plan to drop tenant_id in newton | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | well that would be insane for newton indeed :) | 15:51 |
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| dasm | REMOVE THEM ALL! | 15:51 |
| dasm | :) | 15:51 |
| korzen | the rugs? | 15:51 |
| ihrachys | USERS | 15:51 |
| dasm | code from neutron | 15:51 |
| amotoki | both project_id and tenant_id ? :) | 15:51 |
| ihrachys | USERS, they always make developer lives harder | 15:51 |
| korzen | no users no bugs! | 15:52 |
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| ihrachys | finally we will be able to polish all the tests and documentation. sweet dream. | 15:52 |
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| ihrachys | ok cool. unless someone has more to say, I will call it a day in a minute | 15:53 |
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| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 13 15:54:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-06-13-15.01.html | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | ciao! | 15:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-06-13-15.01.txt | 15:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-06-13-15.01.log.html | 15:54 |
| korzen | ok, thanks | 15:54 |
| jlibosva | thanks, bye | 15:54 |
| dasm | thanks | 15:54 |
| amotoki | thanks | 15:54 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 13 16:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | ding ding | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for GheRivero, amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims, dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, haypo, | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz, lifeless, lintan, ozamiatin, redrobot, rpodolyaka, spamaps | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for sergmelikyan, sreshetnyak, sileht, sreshetnyak, stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek, gcb, Nakato | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | ding ding ding | 16:00 |
| amrith | hello | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | meeting time ding ding | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:00 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | ding ding a ling | 16:00 |
| rbradfor | o/ | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | \o/ | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | | | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | /\ | 16:01 |
| amrith | harlowja_at_home, did you see my ping from earlier this morning? | 16:01 |
| jecarey | 0/ | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, probably at the other computer, so not yet :-P | 16:01 |
| amrith | harlowja, at the OSLO meeting today I'd like to raise the issue of isotime() that I'd summarized in an email to the ML (http://markmail.org/message/xosf5h7gvhqdwtz7) and some code that is in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326655/ | 16:01 |
| amrith | everyone's favorite subject :) | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | :-/ fun fun, ha | 16:02 |
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| ihrachys | o/ | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:02 | |
| harlowja_at_home | anything to say is busted (besides isotime, ha) | 16:03 |
| amrith | No red flags from trove excecpt for isotime :) | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | ;) | 16:03 |
| oshykhkerimov | no red flags from murano | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | nothing on neutron side. we had octavia stable/liberty breakage due to taskflow changes, but that was solved by a backports. | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | yup yup, think octavia folks had that one also, bug that new taskflow change made visible (from my understanding) | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | (bug in neutron/octavia afaik) | 16:05 |
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| ihrachys | yeah | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | I think it's octavia bug, just surfaced by taskflow | 16:05 |
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| harlowja_at_home | oh u said neutron octavia, not a different one, same bug, lol | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | but since I did not know much about either, I reached to oslo :) | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | its early, i need more cofeee | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, thx ihrachys hopefully all cleared up | 16:06 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic New periodic jobs | 16:07 |
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| harlowja_at_home | So a few new projects are now on http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/?groupKey=build_name&resolutionKey=hour&searchProject=-with-oslo | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | I was thinking that other projects that use oslo (murano oshykhkerimov might want to be in that?) | 16:08 |
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| * ihrachys is confused by that website | 16:09 | |
| harlowja_at_home | if people feel its useful; https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320151/ is what | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | *is what's needed to do this | 16:09 |
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| amrith | so what does that project do? | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | so neutron jobs are claimed to be 39% failing | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | but when I drill down, it's all green | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | ihrachys, ya, click the link | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | harlowja_at_home: which one? | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | the history i think just takes a while to clear | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | *never mind u drilled down | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | i think it keeps a history that isn't in the drill down | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | so you mean it's all good now? | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | ok | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | we also have the job on grafana dashboard we have for neutron | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | pretty useful | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:10 |
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| ihrachys | the board: http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, so what it does is run the project using the master of oslo libraries | 16:11 |
| ihrachys | it's in "Periodic Jobs" dash | 16:11 |
| amrith | hmmm | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | typically amrith the master of oslo libraries are not as well tested in projects (there is gating on oslo lib commits, but its a little more limited in its 'finding all the problems') | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | so this periodic job set helps the oslo folks know about issues that may pop up before a oslo lib release happens | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | so we can fix that, or undo a commit or .. | 16:12 |
| amrith | can third party CI's leverage this capability as well | 16:12 |
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| harlowja_at_home | unsure | 16:12 |
| * harlowja_at_home doesn't see a trove one on that dashboard, probably would be useful | 16:12 | |
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| amrith | so is the beneficiary of this the project (trove) or oslo? | 16:12 |
| amrith | yes, trove isn't there | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | both? | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | but more oslo i think amrith | 16:13 |
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| rbradfor | it would benefit projects like trove as it's being proactive on changes before they are officially released. | 16:13 |
| oshykhkerimov | harlowja_at_home: if you are talking about adding murano periodic jobs - I can for sure discuss it with murano team | 16:13 |
| amrith | but looking at the review you suggested, 320151, it looks like it will add another job to the project gate, yes? | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | not the project gate afaik, just this periodic one | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | there is some voodoo that happens under the covers that dims probably knows more that ensures its not in the projects own gate | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | we do like the voodoo here | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:15 |
| amrith | yes, looking at some octavia commits, I don't see them running the jobs | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | right | 16:15 |
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| amrith | it must be something pushing a dummy change to the project and running jsut this test (maybe) | 16:16 |
| amrith | neat | 16:16 |
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| harlowja_at_home | voodoo i tell u (only dims knows the voodoo, lol) | 16:16 |
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| * harlowja_at_home i should learn the voodoo sometime | 16:17 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | anyway, feel free to clone https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320151/ for trove and that will help detect any possible oslo libs doing things badly (or other) | 16:17 |
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| amrith | out of curiousity, why doesn't the oslo team just clone it for all projects that use oslo? | 16:18 |
| amrith | it won't impact the projects gate/check jobs | 16:18 |
| amrith | so it shouldn't be an issue for all projects, yes? | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | it's a good question and i should ask about that when i can get in contact with dims | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | unsure if it/why that wasn't done from the start | 16:19 |
| amrith | sorry, dims is busy. he's attending the annual conference of voodoo practitioners. | 16:19 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ya, he's doing some exorcism or something | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | afaik | 16:19 |
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| bknudson | where to stick the pin in the voodoo doll | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, i heard thats the seminar at the conference | 16:20 |
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| harlowja_at_home | amrith, i'll followup with u on those questions | 16:20 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Newton releases | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so anything in need of a critical release? | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | otherwise i'll just get a release-all-the-changes out today (or tommorow if i don't get around to it today) | 16:21 |
| amrith | harlowja_at_home, please see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329086/ | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, thx | 16:22 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ok, assuming no critical releases needed then, or bug fixes or all that (which is fine) | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Exorcism of oslo-incubator | 16:24 |
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| harlowja_at_home | back on that exorcism topic | 16:24 |
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| harlowja_at_home | https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator is officially gone | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | <all clap> | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:25 |
| * harlowja_at_home why nobody clapping | 16:25 | |
| bknudson | great that it's finally gone. | 16:25 |
| * rbradfor claps | 16:25 | |
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| amrith | it's an exorcism; no one claps at an exorcism | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, lol | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | i didn't take the seminar | 16:25 |
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| amrith | am I the only one who's actually been to an exorcism? | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | errrr | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | i think so? | 16:26 |
| rbradfor | thanks for harlowja_at_home and gcb that +1 a number of incubator cleanups in projects that prompted them to getting merged | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, the shutdown of this should help, in fact i'll send out a mailing list note for this, whats your link again | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll include that, now that its like dead-dead that might help get those changes in | 16:27 |
| rbradfor | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-libraries-adoption | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx | 16:27 |
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| harlowja_at_home | cool, i'll write that up shortly and get that out | 16:28 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Time to talk about isotime | 16:28 |
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| amrith | hmm, who would want to do that? | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, sooooo, rolls the mic to amrith | 16:29 |
| amrith | thanks harlowja_at_home :) | 16:29 |
| amrith | #link http://openstack.markmail.org/thread/xosf5h7gvhqdwtz7 | 16:29 |
| amrith | I sent this email out to the ML some days ago | 16:29 |
| amrith | in particular, I'd like to get the following (here) | 16:29 |
| amrith | 1. reviews of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326655/1/trove/common/timeutils.py by the folks here | 16:29 |
| amrith | 2. some opinions on whether this code (which I've proposed for Trove) can't make it back into oslo | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | zulu time ? | 16:30 |
| amrith | yes | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | interesting, lol | 16:30 |
| amrith | so the issue(s) as I see them are this | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Zulu-the-Most-Fearsome-Black-Warriors-2.jpg ? | 16:30 |
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| amrith | isotime was intentionally naive or should I say willfully naive | 16:30 |
| amrith | and that caused some problems for people who passed it aware timestamps | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:31 |
| amrith | however, just using datetime.datetime.isoformat() meant that projects would have issues | 16:31 |
| * dims casts a spell at harlowja_at_home and amrith | 16:31 | |
| harlowja_at_home | i have magic resistance level 10 | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:31 |
| amrith | because the perfectly valid UTC times with the Z suffix were replaced by also valid +00:00 suffixes | 16:31 |
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| amrith | so people started cloning the deprecated code instead of following the advice to use datetime.datetime.isoformat() | 16:31 |
| amrith | so I've tried to split the difference | 16:31 |
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| amrith | effectively, I've implemented isoformat() which produces the Z suffix for UTC time. | 16:32 |
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| bknudson | it's better to go with an existing standard than to make your own. So if isoformat isn't broken then use that. | 16:32 |
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| amrith | well, isoformat isn't broken, and nor is this. it is not a new standard | 16:32 |
| amrith | it is a valid iso8601 date format to have a Z suffix | 16:33 |
| amrith | just as it is to have a +00:00 suffix | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | it sounds like maybe we should have kept isotime, or at least replaced it with something to be consistent | 16:33 |
| amrith | dhellmann, I agree | 16:33 |
| bknudson | I think we should have a TC decision to pick a timestamp format | 16:33 |
| bknudson | this should be an easy one. | 16:33 |
| amrith | even if we had isoformat() and replaced +00:00 with Z on a flag, that'd have been a legacy format | 16:33 |
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| amrith | well, iso8601 is a timestamp format | 16:34 |
| bknudson | iso8601 is not specific enough | 16:34 |
| rbradfor | amrith, if Z is a valid suffix has this been proposed as a fix to python datetime itsself. | 16:34 |
| amrith | and isoformat() and the proposed isotime() are consistent with it | 16:34 |
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| amrith | rbradfor, there's nothing broken with python datetime | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | this seems like one of those cases where we thought removing something "trivial" would be easy, but we didn't realize the effect it would have | 16:34 |
| bknudson | probably 99% of all strings are consistent with iso8601 | 16:34 |
| amrith | so what would I propose to fix? | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | perhaps we should just put it back | 16:34 |
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| amrith | bknudson, I disagree. iso8601 is specific that there are just 4 time formats that are valid if you want to specify a timezone | 16:35 |
| amrith | <time>Z <time>[+-]hh:mm <time>[+-]hhmm <time>[+-]hh | 16:35 |
| dhellmann | and then document why such a trivial function is actually useful, so we don't forget and try to delete it again | 16:35 |
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| bknudson | https://www.w3.org/TR/NOTE-datetime | 16:35 |
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| amrith | exactly; well, I got a copy of iso8601 :) | 16:36 |
| bknudson | https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3339.txt | 16:36 |
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| bknudson | https://www.w3.org/TR/NOTE-datetime also allows both Z and +-HH:MM | 16:37 |
| amrith | so harlowja_at_home how would you like to proceed? I would at least like some reviews of the code in trove but would like you to consider alternative 2 that I proposed. | 16:37 |
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| harlowja_at_home | amrith, i'd like to get some eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326655/1/trove/common/timeutils.py | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | just for sanity | 16:38 |
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| amrith | harlowja_at_home, yes. I'd very much appreciate that. | 16:39 |
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| harlowja_at_home | and then, if my understanding of it's correct (this code could be the new code in oslo.utils that we suggest to use, since it appears to work in both ways) | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | then people won't copy around code, and therefore oslo folks would have to compromise about this | 16:39 |
| bknudson | I think part of the problem is that we never identified in the Identity spec what the timestamp format is. | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : I agree. | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, agreed, that doesn't help either (there wasn't a pick one or the other, but support both) | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | and isoformat is one way, the old code is another way, soooo == crap at that point | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | i just gotta carefully figure out isotime(tm=None, subsecond=False) in that amrith code | 16:40 |
| amrith | ok | 16:41 |
| amrith | harlowja_at_home, the change I submitted in trove also has some unit tests that may help with that | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx | 16:42 |
| amrith | and if you find that I should augment the unittests, that would be welcome feedback as well. | 16:42 |
| amrith | actually, all feedback is welcome | 16:42 |
| amrith | this would be more welcome :) | 16:42 |
| * harlowja_at_home unleash the hounds | 16:42 | |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:42 |
| bknudson | I'd be fine if isotime made a comeback and openstack standardized on that as the way to do date time. | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | it would though be interesting to know why the upstream python didn't go with this kind of dual-format (since both seem to be valid) routine | 16:43 |
| bknudson | I think we could specify that all timestamps are Z and do not use the offset. | 16:43 |
| amrith | I see your comment harlowja_at_home; I can add a legacy=True option if this code goes ot OSLO | 16:43 |
| amrith | bknudson, that won't work for non UTC times | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, ya, although maybe not 'legacy=True' but a better name? | 16:43 |
| amrith | which are valid in many cases. | 16:43 |
| bknudson | convert to UTC. | 16:43 |
| bknudson | I don't see a use case for non-UTC in keystone. | 16:44 |
| amrith | easy to say but OSLO/libraries shouldn't prescribe what time zone the projects should store dates/times in | 16:44 |
| amrith | for example, access lists for databases are often specified in local time | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, thus the TC thing that bknudson was thinking about (afaik); maybe nice if the TC says UTC all-the-places | 16:44 |
| amrith | well harlowja_at_home that would be a shortsighted decision (IMHO) | 16:44 |
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| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:45 |
| amrith | there are many cases where applications (in our case, OpenStack) may want or NEED to have localtime | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | convert at time of giving info back to user? | 16:45 |
| bknudson | whose local time? | 16:45 |
| amrith | local time of the user at all time | 16:45 |
| amrith | you can get into my office building from 9am to 5pm | 16:45 |
| bknudson | users lie | 16:45 |
| * harlowja_at_home thought that usually when u do a REST response u usually convert UTC -> local at that time (if u so desire) | 16:45 | |
| amrith | and 9am and 5pm are local times | 16:46 |
| amrith | all year round | 16:46 |
| amrith | specifying it in UTC won't work | 16:46 |
| amrith | as that is different at different times of the year | 16:46 |
| bknudson | you can't specify that in the formats provided either, btw. | 16:46 |
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| amrith | yes you CAN | 16:46 |
| bknudson | how? they always specify an offset | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | hmmm, from what i remember at yahoo, they used to have a users info and the users timezone was in that info-record, but everything else at that point was UTC 'Z' time | 16:47 |
| amrith | if you specify time as YYYY-MM-DDTHH:MM:SS-04:00 that's valid | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | (just a point of reference) | 16:47 |
| bknudson | that doesn't work when the locale has summer time. | 16:47 |
| bknudson | since it'll be -0400 one day and -0500 the next | 16:47 |
| amrith | this is why python makes it up to the application to decide whether it is naive or aware | 16:47 |
| amrith | if an application decides that it wants to treat unspecified timezone as local time | 16:48 |
| amrith | then so be it | 16:48 |
| amrith | it can add the local time zone adjustment at the time | 16:48 |
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| bknudson | I don't think we can be that loose in openstack. | 16:48 |
| amrith | by forcing the specification of the Z at the end , you would defaeat that | 16:48 |
| amrith | bknudson, why not? | 16:48 |
| amrith | why is that openstack's call? | 16:48 |
| amrith | or to be more precise; the "global openstack" call? | 16:48 |
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| bknudson | it can be up to your application what to do with dates / times that are timestamps | 16:49 |
| bknudson | aren't timestamps | 16:49 |
| bknudson | can't we have a standard format for timestamps? | 16:49 |
| amrith | we can have a standard format for timestamps | 16:49 |
| amrith | why not just use any one that is iso8601? | 16:49 |
| bknudson | and then if you need a date / time for something else (like saying what times your office is open) then use whatever you want? | 16:50 |
| amrith | and use standard functions to convert? | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | if we're sending these formatted timestamps out through REST APIs, the consumer may not be a python app with the same flexibility | 16:50 |
| amrith | harlowja_at_home, time-check; i'm happy to continue to discuss this (and it is useful for me) if you have the time. | 16:50 |
| amrith | dhellmann, but iso8601 is the standard | 16:50 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, let's maybe continue this one a little later ;) | 16:50 |
| amrith | and it is the same formatting in any language | 16:51 |
| amrith | programming language | 16:51 |
| amrith | it is a string | 16:51 |
| * amrith sees what harlowja_at_home just said | 16:51 | |
| dhellmann | amrith : I don't care which format we use, my point was we should just pick one. | 16:51 |
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| harlowja_at_home | amrith, but later by my localtime | 16:51 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:51 |
| amrith | dhellmann, would you accept iso8601 as the format or do you want to outlaw "Z" and use +00:00 instead. | 16:51 |
| amrith | or use Z for +00:00? | 16:51 |
| amrith | I guess that's the nub of the matter | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | amrith : don't care. | 16:52 |
| amrith | dhellmann, but you want one and not both | 16:52 |
| amrith | yes? | 16:52 |
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| dhellmann | I want us to emit one, and be able to parse both. | 16:52 |
| amrith | understood thanks. | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | ok ding | 16:52 |
| amrith | dhellmann, bknudson let's discuss on #openstack-oslo later | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:52 |
| amrith | thanks harlowja_at_home | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | ;) | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | ok | 16:52 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Stuck reviews (and/or specs) | 16:53 |
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| harlowja_at_home | just want to make sure folks have some time to raise any stuck things | 16:53 |
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| harlowja_at_home | bring your stuck stuff and we will unstuck it | 16:53 |
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| harlowja_at_home | (no superglue though) | 16:53 |
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| kgiusti | I'm piling lots of stuff - both specs and patches - on the AMQP 1 feature branch. | 16:54 |
| harlowja_at_home | uhoh | 16:54 |
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| kgiusti | Not many of us have exposure to that driver, and the spec is pretty long too. | 16:54 |
| kgiusti | But I'll take any feedback I can - even nits! | 16:55 |
| harlowja_at_home | kk | 16:55 |
| harlowja_at_home | i will see if i can look over some of that :) | 16:55 |
| harlowja_at_home | and give u some nits | 16:55 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:55 |
| kgiusti | thanks! can't get enough nits. | 16:55 |
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| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:56 |
| harlowja_at_home | i will not let u down | 16:56 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:56 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:56 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anything else from folks | 16:56 |
| * amrith looks around the room | 16:57 | |
| harlowja_at_home | if not, then we can talk about isotime in #openstack-oslo (or anything else that people want to talk about) | 16:57 |
| harlowja_at_home | ok dokie, assuming not :) | 16:57 |
| amrith | qsy #openstack-oslo | 16:57 |
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| harlowja_at_home | thanks for coming folks, always a lively bunch, ha | 16:58 |
| amrith | thx harlowja_at_home | 16:58 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, thanks for keeping us in line | 16:58 |
| harlowja_at_home | np | 16:58 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:58 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 13 16:58:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-06-13-16.00.html | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-06-13-16.00.txt | 16:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-06-13-16.00.log.html | 16:58 |
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| jmckind | diazjf, you here? | 19:56 |
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| diazjf | jmckind, yup | 19:57 |
| diazjf | I've been on vacation the past few days | 19:57 |
| jmckind | Hey, redrobot is unable to attend today. Do one of y'all want to run things? Otherwise he said we could cancel until next week. | 19:57 |
| jmckind | Nice, I need one of those.. haha | 19:58 |
| diazjf | sure I can take care of it today | 19:58 |
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| jmckind | thank you sir | 19:58 |
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| diazjf | jmckind, It'll be quick nothing on the agenda | 19:59 |
| jmckind | sounds good | 19:59 |
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| diazjf | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 13 20:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is diazjf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| diazjf | #topic roll-call | 20:00 |
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| hockeynut | o/ | 20:00 |
| jmckind | o/ | 20:00 |
| jmckind | May be really really quick... lol | 20:01 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:01 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| diazjf | Very little barbicaneers here today :( | 20:01 |
| hockeynut | its quality not quantity :-D | 20:01 |
| jmckind | thats right hockeynut | 20:01 |
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| woodster_ | +1! | 20:02 |
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| diazjf | #topic agenda | 20:02 |
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| diazjf | as normal it can be found here #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:02 |
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| diazjf | I don't recall any action items from the last meeting | 20:03 |
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| diazjf | and there is nothing on the agenda, so I'll make up a few topics | 20:03 |
| diazjf | #topic midcycle | 20:03 |
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| diazjf | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-security-midcycle-N | 20:04 |
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| diazjf | Make sure to add your information to the above. edtubill and I were able to secure a room and since attendance seems low we may have 1 partitioned room for both teams | 20:04 |
| diazjf | I am still working on getting funding for catering :) | 20:04 |
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| diazjf | And date may change to the week of August 15 but its TBA | 20:05 |
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| diazjf | any questions on this topic? | 20:05 |
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| diazjf | ok moving on | 20:06 |
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| diazjf | #topic Blueprints | 20:06 |
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| diazjf | There are a few open specs waiting to be reviewed | 20:07 |
| diazjf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/barbican-specs | 20:07 |
| diazjf | mainly https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323482/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327778/ | 20:08 |
| diazjf | lets try to get these in before the midcycle | 20:08 |
| diazjf | any questions on this? | 20:08 |
| diazjf | #topic Open Discussion | 20:08 |
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| diazjf | wow this maybe the shortest meeting ever | 20:09 |
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| jmckind | I have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327229 up for review: | 20:09 |
| jmckind | Add support for modifying Generic Containers | 20:09 |
| jmckind | Would love to get more eyes on it | 20:09 |
| diazjf | #action Fernando to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327229 | 20:09 |
| diazjf | I'll add it to my list, hopefully can take a look sometime this week | 20:10 |
| woodster_ | jmckind: I'll re-review as well | 20:10 |
| jmckind | thanks! | 20:10 |
| hockeynut | itto | 20:10 |
| diazjf | I have another topic idea | 20:11 |
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| diazjf | Anyone preparing a talk for Barcelona | 20:11 |
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| diazjf | I believe the call for presentations just started | 20:12 |
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| diazjf | I'll make a list of presentations once we have people submitting. I hope to have a few by next meeting. | 20:13 |
| diazjf | Any questions or comments? | 20:14 |
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| diazjf | going once …. | 20:14 |
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| diazjf | going twice … | 20:14 |
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| diazjf | alright everyone enjoy the rest of your day. I'll have more info for the midcycle soon hopefully! | 20:15 |
| diazjf | thanks for coming! | 20:15 |
| diazjf | #endmeeting | 20:15 |
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| jmckind | thanks diazjf | 20:15 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 13 20:15:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-06-13-20.00.html | 20:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-06-13-20.00.txt | 20:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-06-13-20.00.log.html | 20:15 |
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| nsun1 | Hi | 20:27 |
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| shamail | #startmeeting product working group | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 13 21:01:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:01 |
| shamail | Hi everyone | 21:02 |
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| shamail | #topic roll call | 21:02 |
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| KrishR | o/ | 21:02 |
| shamail | Who’s here today? | 21:02 |
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| kencjohnston | o/ | 21:02 |
| Soyeh_McCarthy | Soyeh McCarthy | 21:02 |
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| carolbarrett | Hi | 21:02 |
| Soyeh_McCarthy | hello | 21:02 |
| shamail | Hi KrishR, kencjohnston, Soyeh_McCarthy, carolbarrett | 21:02 |
| leong | o/ | 21:02 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:03 |
| shamail | Agenda for today | 21:03 |
| shamail | hi leong | 21:03 |
| shamail | #topic Midcycle Planning | 21:03 |
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| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Newton_Midcycle_Planning | 21:03 |
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| MeganR | o/ | 21:03 |
| shamail | We have a pretty good list going for possible midcycle topics | 21:03 |
| shamail | Let’s review this list and add +1 (or new topics) to start finalizing the agenda | 21:04 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: Did we decide on 1 or 2 days? | 21:04 |
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| shamail | sorry, I see two days listed in the etherpad | 21:04 |
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| carolbarrett | Shamail: I think the group was leaning toward 2 days | 21:05 |
| leong | i think 2 days is good.. | 21:05 |
| shamail | As everyone knows, some of these topics can take an hour or two (or more) so we probably won’t be able to include every topic that is listed right now | 21:05 |
| shamail | thanks carolbarrett, leong | 21:06 |
| rockyg | o/ | 21:06 |
| shamail | Hi MeganR and rockyg :) | 21:06 |
| rockyg | Yup, two days | 21:06 |
| rockyg | Hi! | 21:06 |
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| shamail | #action Please add your topic nominations to the mid-cycle etherpad in the next couple of weeks - we will need to start finalizing agenda based on midcycle duration. - All | 21:07 |
| MeganR | Hi! | 21:07 |
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| shamail | Any questions/comments on this topic or should we move on? | 21:07 |
| shamail | Awesome. | 21:07 |
| shamail | #topic Keystone CPL (need volunteer) | 21:08 |
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| shamail | We discussed the vacancy for Keystone CPL last week... | 21:08 |
| shamail | This service definitely needs a CPL since the adoption is so high. Is anyone willing to volunteer to become the CPL for Keystone? | 21:09 |
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| MeganR | Shamail: do you know when they meet? | 21:09 |
| * shamail looking it up | 21:09 | |
| shamail | Weekly on Tuesday at 1800 UTC in #openstack-meeting | 21:09 |
| shamail | So 11A PT? | 21:09 |
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| rockyg | On conflict with Cue (just killed) and Nova bugs | 21:10 |
| shamail | The CPL should participate in meetings (or at least review the meeting logs to stay informed) | 21:10 |
| MeganR | So 2 pm EST - I can do that - I have two conflicts with the OS Client meetings currently I am trying to work through | 21:11 |
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| shamail | You’re the CPL for OSC right now? | 21:11 |
| MeganR | yes | 21:11 |
| shamail | I wonder if someone else could help with that one if you have conflicts... | 21:12 |
| MeganR | I haven't attended a meeting in the past month though because of schedule issues - and yes, that is exactly what I was thinking :) | 21:12 |
| MeganR | anyway, sign me up for Keystone, I'll attend tomorrow | 21:13 |
| shamail | FYI, OSC meets on (odd weeks) on Thursday at 1900 UTC and on even weeks) on Thursday at 1300 UTC | 21:13 |
| rockyg | When are the osc meetings? | 21:13 |
| shamail | Thanks MeganR! | 21:13 |
| shamail | rockyg: Thursdays 1900UTC (odd weeks) or 1300UTC (even weeks) | 21:13 |
| shamail | You could just make it every other week if one time does not work | 21:13 |
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| MeganR | I think in July - two weeks from now, I'll be able to | 21:14 |
| rockyg | I'll consider it and put it on my schedule. No guarantees yet. and certainly won't make even weeks;-0 | 21:14 |
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| shamail | Thanks rockyg | 21:14 |
| MeganR | thank you rockyg! | 21:14 |
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| shamail | We’ll assign OSC to you for now and then you can let us know if that doesnt work | 21:15 |
| KrishR | sorry, i was multi-tasking....i can be a backup for Keystone | 21:15 |
| shamail | #agree MeganR is the Keystone CPL for PWG | 21:15 |
| shamail | Thanks KrishR ! | 21:15 |
| shamail | #agree rockyg is the OpenStackClient CPL for PWG | 21:15 |
| MeganR | thank you KrishR - appreciate the help! | 21:15 |
| KrishR | we have quite a few Keystone projects in OSIC | 21:15 |
| shamail | I’m glad Keystone will have great coverage | 21:16 |
| shamail | #topic Barcelona Session Planning - All | 21:16 |
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| carolbarrett | Thanks MeganR, KrishR and RockyG!! | 21:16 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Barcelona_Sessions | 21:16 |
| KrishR | MeganR: email me if you're unable to cover a meeting and I'll try my best to | 21:16 |
| MeganR | I will - thank you! | 21:17 |
| shamail | The Barcelona CFP is now open and we wanted to get a head start on planning for breakout sessions related to PWG topics at the summit | 21:17 |
| shamail | The linked etherpad has a starting list for possible topics | 21:17 |
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| shamail | Please take 2-3 minutes to add your suggestions into the etherpad now | 21:18 |
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| leong | btw, i notice that for Barcelona CFP, it limits to 2 presenter per session.. is that right? | 21:19 |
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| shamail | That shouldnt be the case | 21:20 |
| markabaker | Hi - apologies for tardiness | 21:20 |
| shamail | I thought it was 3 speaker per presentation and 5 for panels (including moderator) | 21:20 |
| shamail | hi markabaker | 21:20 |
| shamail | I’ll double check | 21:20 |
| shamail | leong: I think you are right | 21:22 |
| shamail | based on the CFP email | 21:22 |
| shamail | We can email Claire to double-check | 21:22 |
| shamail | two is kind of limiting | 21:22 |
| leong | personally i would suggest Foundation to reconsider and increase that limit to 3 | 21:22 |
| shamail | leong: +1 | 21:22 |
| shamail | 3 is a good balance | 21:22 |
| shamail | Okay | 21:23 |
| shamail | Now that we have spent some time on the session etherpad | 21:23 |
| markabaker | Is it because they have fewer sessions in bcn? | 21:23 |
| leong | if most people here agree, i think we can send a proposal from PWG and suggest foundation to increase that limit to 3 | 21:23 |
| carolbarrett | Shamail, Leong: The way I read the CFP is that a session can have a max of 2 presenters; A person can be a presenter in up to 3 sessions | 21:23 |
| carolbarrett | Panels are now limited to 4 panelist, plus 1 moderator | 21:23 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: That is how I read it as well… Leong and I are saying that they should allow 3 presenters for a single topic. | 21:24 |
| leong | yup..carolbarrett.. that's my understanding as well... | 21:24 |
| shamail | (as they did in ATX) | 21:24 |
| shamail | markabaker: I don’t think that would impact the presenter count in a single session though | 21:24 |
| leong | yup. i'm suggesting a session can have a max of 3 presenter. | 21:24 |
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| leong | i'm fine if the foundation try to limit each presenter can only have up to 3 session | 21:25 |
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| shamail | Please say +1 if you are in supporting of requesting an increase to the maximum number of speakers per presentation? | 21:25 |
| markabaker | Shamail, leong, OK, got you | 21:25 |
| leong | but every session should allow up to 3 presenter.. 2 doesn't make sense tome | 21:25 |
| shamail | This will allow us to gauge whether its just leong and I or others as well :) | 21:25 |
| MeganR | +1 | 21:25 |
| markabaker | +1 | 21:25 |
| leong | +1 | 21:26 |
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| KrishR | +1 | 21:26 |
| rockyg | +1 | 21:26 |
| shamail | Thanks, so it’s safe to say the PWG recommends the change as well. | 21:26 |
| shamail | Good catch leong | 21:26 |
| carolbarrett | I'm on the fence on this one. Given a 40 min session, 3 presenters can feel chaotic | 21:26 |
| carolbarrett | I think there are specific topics where it makes sense, but not for everything | 21:27 |
| leong | 3 presenter actually work well, 4 will be chaotic | 21:27 |
| rockyg | Well, I'm a bit with carolbarrett but some of the sessions are fine with 3, some are chaotic. | 21:27 |
| rockyg | It depends on the type of session. | 21:27 |
| leong | two session i had in Austin are all 3 presenters in one single session | 21:27 |
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| shamail | I can see that as well carolbarrett.. I think three is my maximum (5 min intro, 15 min sub-topic, 15 min sub-topic, 5 min close) with intro/close as one person and one presenter for each sub-topic. | 21:27 |
| MeganR | I think overall some sessions are better than others, I've seem some really good ones with three where they break it up according to topics | 21:27 |
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| MeganR | shamail +1 | 21:28 |
| shamail | So we have some sessions in our etherpad (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Barcelona_Sessions) that don’t have presenters associated with them. Anyone willing to add their name next to a topic? | 21:28 |
| shamail | Let’s stick with two names per session | 21:29 |
| shamail | Themes & roadmap update (standard): Should this be two sessions? | 21:29 |
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| shamail | #action Please review Barcelona CFP etherpad and add topics and/or your name as presenter if interested - All | 21:31 |
| shamail | #action shamail will email OpenStack Foundation regarding the 2 presenters maximum limit | 21:31 |
| shamail | #topic Opens | 21:31 |
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| shamail | That’s all we had on the agenda for today. Would anyone like to raise any other topics? | 21:32 |
| shamail | Take care everyone. | 21:32 |
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| rockyg | quickie for carolbarrett Did the enterprise meeting move? | 21:33 |
| KrishR | thx, Shamail! | 21:33 |
| rockyg | Did I miss it? | 21:33 |
| leong | thax | 21:33 |
| shamail | rockyg: yes, it is now on Mondays at 12P PDT | 21:33 |
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| rockyg | OK. Cool. Thanks! | 21:33 |
| shamail | np! | 21:33 |
| carolbarrett | RockyG: Yes, it's now at Noon pacific on Monday...starting today | 21:33 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 21:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 13 21:33:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-06-13-21.01.html | 21:33 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-06-13-21.01.txt | 21:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-06-13-21.01.log.html | 21:33 |
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