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| liudan | ping yangyapeng | 12:24 |
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| dirk | toabctl, dirk, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jruzicka, number80: ping | 12:59 |
| number80 | o/ | 12:59 |
| number80 | jruzicka is in PTO for 2 weeks | 12:59 |
| dirk | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 23 13:00:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dirk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:00 | |
| dirk | hey everyone | 13:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:00 |
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| dirk | please add your topics to | 13:01 |
| dirk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:01 |
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| number80 | well, does not seem we have much people this week either | 13:02 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov seemed to be active in reviews today :) | 13:03 |
| dirk | yeah, there is an openSUSE conference today so don't expect attendance from SUSE side | 13:03 |
| number80 | ack | 13:03 |
| dirk | and you're there :) | 13:03 |
| IgorYozhikov | o/ | 13:04 |
| number80 | \o/ | 13:04 |
| number80 | yeah, I'll be more active from now on | 13:04 |
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| IgorYozhikov | our CI folks made some upgrades in infrastructure | 13:04 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'm working on stabilization of it | 13:05 |
| number80 | The Error 404? | 13:05 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes | 13:05 |
| number80 | ack | 13:05 |
| IgorYozhikov | issues with mirrrors sync :( | 13:05 |
| dirk | hey Igor! | 13:06 |
| number80 | well, it was training to read fuel CI logs :) | 13:06 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, :) | 13:06 |
| dirk | yeah, its challenging to find the real error there | 13:06 |
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| IgorYozhikov | there are artifacts in jobs with detailed logs | 13:07 |
| dirk | okay, we're out of time for collecting agenda items :) | 13:07 |
| dirk | #topic reviews | 13:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:07 | |
| dirk | so easy ones for Igor are: | 13:08 |
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| dirk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331655/ | 13:08 |
| dirk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331658/ | 13:08 |
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| dirk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331539/ | 13:09 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332758/ | 13:10 |
| number80 | dirk: minor nitpick on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331539/3 | 13:13 |
| number80 | except that, it'll get +2 | 13:13 |
| dirk | number80: hmm, so you don't like armv7hl ? :) | 13:13 |
| number80 | we can add it, I just don't remember the macros :) | 13:14 |
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| dirk | for us its %arm | 13:14 |
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| number80 | yep generic rpm macros | 13:15 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: yeah, thats a good one. in general I like the review, I haven't digested it in detail. todo | 13:15 |
| number80 | then add it, and it works for me | 13:15 |
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| number80 | Yeah, this other review needs thinking | 13:16 |
| IgorYozhikov | number80, looks fine but you set WIP in topic :) | 13:16 |
| number80 | IgorYozhikov: I wanted to get your feedback | 13:16 |
| number80 | but let's change topic then | 13:16 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'm fine | 13:16 |
| IgorYozhikov | further usage will show everything | 13:16 |
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| number80 | I also templatized openstack-macros => https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331539/3 | 13:17 |
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| dirk | yep, looks good to me. there is a series of reviews.. can you post them as individual ones? | 13:18 |
| number80 | It's work to prepare for our future gate | 13:18 |
| number80 | sure | 13:18 |
| number80 | my colleague jpena is fixing our tooling to build continuously upstream packaging | 13:18 |
| dirk | nice | 13:19 |
| dirk | I need to reach out to pbellanger for the build-publish step | 13:20 |
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| dirk | one particular review I want to point out is this one: | 13:20 |
| dirk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311285/ | 13:20 |
| dirk | its becoming increasingly difficult to rebase that one | 13:20 |
| number80 | dirk: just to be sure, you want me to squash all reviews for openstack-macros, right? | 13:21 |
| dirk | number80: no | 13:21 |
| number80 | ack, | 13:21 |
| dirk | number80: currently priv.sep is in the same "branch" than the openstack-macro change | 13:21 |
| number80 | ok | 13:21 |
| dirk | so the jenkins jobs for openstack-macro are also including the priv.sep change, which is why they fail | 13:22 |
| dirk | it would be better to post privsep under a separate topic (git branch) and remove it from the branch of the openstack-macros one | 13:22 |
| dirk | the other two are related so they can stay in one branch | 13:23 |
| dirk | I hope I was able to explain this better :) | 13:23 |
| number80 | done | 13:23 |
| dirk | thank you! | 13:23 |
| number80 | I likely played too much w/ branches, I didn't notice | 13:23 |
| dirk | so coming back to the spec-cleaner review, aka https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311285/ | 13:24 |
| dirk | other than the jenkins failures, what are the opinions about this? I can do a final rebase to get the jenkins to pass, but I'd like to get it merged then | 13:24 |
| dirk | it will have my +2, any opinion from number80 / Igor ? | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | Ш ыуте куигшде | 13:25 |
| number80 | It'll get my +2 | 13:25 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: sorry? :) | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | I sent rebuild - even if our CI will fail I will merge it | 13:25 |
| dirk | ok.. | 13:26 |
| IgorYozhikov | we have some post upgrade issues | 13:26 |
| IgorYozhikov | with mirrors sync as I mnetioned before | 13:26 |
| dirk | well, the jenkins job is still failing. I'll go fixing that then and ping you both to review/approve | 13:26 |
| dirk | thanks! | 13:26 |
| dirk | any other topic? | 13:26 |
| IgorYozhikov | pymo2pkg CR | 13:26 |
| number80 | yes | 13:26 |
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| number80 | I've updated mapping for RDO and added a new RegexRule | 13:27 |
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| IgorYozhikov | just saw your comments dirk | 13:27 |
| IgorYozhikov | will address them https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330527/ | 13:27 |
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| number80 | oh yeah, two pymod2pkg topics :) | 13:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, should be using the global requirements, aka remove the versioning override | 13:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | May be I didn't understand your previous comments for versions | 13:29 |
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| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330527/2..3/openstack/pymod2pkg/pymod2pkg.spec.j2 | 13:30 |
| dirk | number80: oh, sorry, that ended up in a different folder (the pymod2pkg reviews). will go over them | 13:30 |
| number80 | np | 13:30 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: replace the line {{py2pkg(foo, >=, 1.2.3)}} with {{py2pkg(foo) }} | 13:31 |
| IgorYozhikov | that is how it was earlier | 13:32 |
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| IgorYozhikov | ok? I'll address your comment today | 13:34 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: hmm, maybe I'm confused then. let me check | 13:34 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: ah. what I meant is that the %doc package should have a "Requires: %name = %version" | 13:35 |
| dirk | e.g. the -doc package requires the main package in the same version | 13:35 |
| IgorYozhikov | O I C | 13:36 |
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| IgorYozhikov | will fix that | 13:36 |
| dirk | thanks! | 13:36 |
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| dirk | any last topic? | 13:39 |
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| number80 | for now, I'm good, we have enough work to keep us busy | 13:39 |
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| dirk | number80: if you have time, please also untangle https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332651 and friends into separate reviews | 13:41 |
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| dirk | ok, then lets end it for today.. thanks for attending and see you next week same time same place! | 13:41 |
| dirk | #endmeeting | 13:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 23 13:42:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-06-23-13.00.html | 13:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-06-23-13.00.txt | 13:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-06-23-13.00.log.html | 13:42 |
| number80 | thanks gentlemen | 13:42 |
| number80 | dirk: noted | 13:42 |
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| m3m0_ | #startmeeting freezer | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 23 14:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is m3m0_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:00 |
| slashme | Hi m3m0_ :) | 14:00 |
| m3m0_ | hello guys, who is here for the freezer meeting? | 14:00 |
| yangyapeng | hi m3m0_ | 14:00 |
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| yangyapeng | :) | 14:00 |
| yangyapeng | ping iceyao | 14:00 |
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| iceyao | present | 14:01 |
| ddieterly | present | 14:02 |
| timothyb89 | hello all | 14:02 |
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| szaher_ | hi | 14:02 |
| Marcellin | hello | 14:02 |
| m3m0_ | as always topics for the meetings are here:https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:03 |
| daemontool_ | o/ | 14:03 |
| m3m0_ | #topic Should we backport integration tests to mitaka? | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Should we backport integration tests to mitaka? (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:03 | |
| daemontool_ | +1 | 14:03 |
| m3m0_ | according to the openstack guidelines is not a "good" thing to backport this kind of code, it should be always only bug fixes | 14:04 |
| m3m0_ | but I agree that we should backport this | 14:04 |
| daemontool_ | how do we discover bugs if we do not have tests running on it_ | 14:04 |
| ddieterly | can someone list the pros/cons? | 14:04 |
| daemontool_ | ? | 14:04 |
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| ddieterly | i don't think we should backport because of the os guidelines | 14:05 |
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| ddieterly | seems like mitaka is supposed to be fully baked by now | 14:05 |
| ddieterly | ymmv | 14:05 |
| liudan | ping yangyapeng | 14:06 |
| yangyapeng | here liudan | 14:06 |
| ddieterly | if we backport, then we might have to pull in many commits to make the tests pass | 14:06 |
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| daemontool_ | are there bugs in master that has been backported to mitaka after the tests execution_ | 14:08 |
| daemontool_ | ? | 14:08 |
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| daemontool_ | I mean if the bug fix was backported | 14:09 |
| daemontool_ | for bugs discovered in master by the new tests | 14:09 |
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| ddieterly | not sure | 14:10 |
| daemontool_ | if the bugs are fixed for the same code in master and mitaka | 14:11 |
| daemontool_ | then no need to backport | 14:11 |
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| m3m0_ | slashme any input? | 14:11 |
| daemontool_ | as the tests would be the same and no additional work would be required | 14:11 |
| ddieterly | if the bugs are fixed in mitaka, then we don't need to backport the tests ;-) | 14:12 |
| daemontool_ | but if we have no idea if the current tests would discover any unfixed bug in mitaka... then we should backport probably | 14:12 |
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| ddieterly | i knew you were going to say that | 14:12 |
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| slashme | I'd like to have jokke_ opinion. | 14:12 |
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| daemontool_ | can we execute the current tests against mitaka without merging? | 14:13 |
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| daemontool_ | I think we can | 14:13 |
| jokke_ | ping me back in an hour ... I have triple booking of meetings for 1500-1600 | 14:13 |
| daemontool_ | ddieterly, I see you are gaining critical thinking over time lol | 14:14 |
| daemontool_ | :) | 14:15 |
| ddieterly | i took a class on critical thinking ;-) | 14:15 |
| szaher_ | :) | 14:15 |
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| daemontool_ | ok so? | 14:15 |
| daemontool_ | let's think about that and next? | 14:16 |
| ddieterly | sounds good | 14:16 |
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| m3m0_ | ok, let's discuss this offline with jokke_ | 14:16 |
| m3m0_ | #topic fullbackup_intereval https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fullbackup_interval yangyapeng | 14:16 |
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| yangyapeng | hi | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | about fullbackup and incremental in freezer-scheduler | 14:17 |
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| daemontool_ | yangyapeng, that would simplify | 14:18 |
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| daemontool_ | the interval | 14:18 |
| daemontool_ | syntax and definition | 14:19 |
| daemontool_ | +1 | 14:19 |
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| daemontool_ | and I totally agree about the volume meta | 14:19 |
| daemontool_ | store that in the backup | 14:19 |
| daemontool_ | so we can restore the volume even if the db is lost | 14:20 |
| slashme | Just to clarify a point. Would this only apply for backups made with cindernative ? | 14:20 |
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| yangyapeng | now, we apply for cindernative | 14:20 |
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| yangyapeng | about cinder-vol-id nova-inst-id it is unavailable to incremental | 14:21 |
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| daemontool_ | the way to define intervals, probably should be | 14:22 |
| daemontool_ | consistent | 14:22 |
| daemontool_ | _ | 14:22 |
| daemontool_ | ? | 14:22 |
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| yangyapeng | scheduler trigger have two idea, 1, trigger: cron 2. trigger: interval | 14:23 |
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| szaher_ | Can we discuss in more details in the mid-cycle meetup ? | 14:24 |
| ddieterly | what mid-cycle meetup? we haven't scheduled one | 14:24 |
| yangyapeng | what mid-cycle meetup? | 14:25 |
| daemontool_ | szaher, yes, but let's at least have options | 14:25 |
| daemontool_ | or advance anything | 14:25 |
| daemontool_ | so when we get together we have something more specific to discuss? | 14:25 |
| liudan | what mid-cycle meetup ? | 14:25 |
| szaher_ | daemontool_ Ok | 14:26 |
| ddieterly | i added mid-cycle meetup to the agenda | 14:26 |
| szaher_ | ddieterly I think we agree on that and you was here, it should be at the end of July ... | 14:26 |
| ddieterly | yes, but we don't have a specific date | 14:26 |
| ddieterly | or a duration | 14:26 |
| szaher_ | slashme, I think we agreed on fixed date, do we ? | 14:26 |
| slashme | 15 July | 14:27 |
| slashme | One day | 14:27 |
| szaher_ | any way let's finish this point | 14:27 |
| slashme | At least that's what we defined last time | 14:27 |
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| slashme | I did not send the communication yet, so this is still moveable I guess | 14:28 |
| slashme | We agreed it would be mostly virtual as many won't be able to join physicaly | 14:28 |
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| daemontool_ | so | 14:29 |
| m3m0_ | guys, could we please stay on topic? | 14:29 |
| daemontool_ | do we agree that we need a better way to set intervals on backup executions? | 14:29 |
| slashme | Sorry m3m0_ | 14:29 |
| yangyapeng | yeah. | 14:29 |
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| yangyapeng | 1. we fullbackup for cindernative in cron. it is ok? | 14:30 |
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| yangyapeng | 2. above it is ok, we shoud have several of the lastest fullbackup | 14:31 |
| yangyapeng | and between fullbackups, the incremental backup | 14:31 |
| yangyapeng | delete other backup | 14:31 |
| szaher_ | daemontool_ yangyapeng What are we trying to discuss here is to have a better way of scheduling backups ? | 14:32 |
| daemontool_ | szaher, better syntax as far as I can understand | 14:32 |
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| daemontool_ | also yangyapeng is proposing to leverage the incremental features intervals | 14:32 |
| daemontool_ | avaialble in cinder, yangyapeng right? | 14:33 |
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| daemontool_ | and include the metadata of the volume in the backup, does this resume it yangyapeng ? | 14:33 |
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| szaher_ | this will be available only in cinder ? | 14:34 |
| yangyapeng | yeah, only in cinder. | 14:34 |
| yangyapeng | about other backup_media, it is not realize | 14:35 |
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| daemontool_ | ok, but probably we shouldn't have different ways of setting intervals? | 14:35 |
| daemontool_ | it is confusing for a user | 14:35 |
| liudan | nova,cinder,cindernative,fs | 14:35 |
| daemontool_ | ok | 14:35 |
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| szaher_ | +1 daemontool_ | 14:36 |
| daemontool_ | yangyapeng, can you write something more detailed and organized? | 14:36 |
| daemontool_ | slashme, are you ok with this? | 14:36 |
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| yangyapeng | ok, i shoud do it, later | 14:36 |
| daemontool_ | like, if we make it better for one backup engine, then let's make our work reusable for other engines? | 14:36 |
| daemontool_ | ok | 14:39 |
| slashme | That definetly sounds like something we want to implement | 14:39 |
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| slashme | And that should be defined very precisely before implementation | 14:39 |
| daemontool_ | +1 | 14:39 |
| yangyapeng | continue? | 14:39 |
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| slashme | Also, as you said, it makes sense to have it available for all engines (or multiple | 14:39 |
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| slashme | This qualifies to be a topic we discuss durring the midcycle | 14:40 |
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| daemontool_ | ok | 14:41 |
| daemontool_ | next | 14:41 |
| yangyapeng | 3. If we manage the backup for cinder-bakcup | 14:41 |
| yangyapeng | now, freezer-scheduler backup-list , it may not to manage cinder-backuplist | 14:42 |
| yangyapeng | if we shoud manage it by freezer, not cinder backup-list | 14:42 |
| yangyapeng | freezer-ai | 14:42 |
| yangyapeng | api | 14:42 |
| yangyapeng | about freezer-scheduler backup-delete the same | 14:43 |
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| szaher_ | I think we are running out of time we only have 15 minute left yangyapeng can you write a well defined more detailed document and share it with us ? m3m0 ? | 14:43 |
| yangyapeng | whether I make myself clear | 14:44 |
| liudan | clear | 14:44 |
| daemontool_ | yangyapeng, clear | 14:44 |
| iceyao | detailed in etherpad | 14:45 |
| daemontool_ | m3m0_, next | 14:45 |
| m3m0_ | #topic elasticsearch_dsl | 14:45 |
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| m3m0_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332874/ | 14:45 |
| m3m0_ | we should move to this library | 14:45 |
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| m3m0_ | it will make more user friendly the interaction with es | 14:46 |
| m3m0_ | and we can catch mapping errors before we hit es, rather than dealing with the error | 14:46 |
| m3m0_ | I'm working in the bp for this | 14:46 |
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| daemontool_ | m3m0_, do we need to add anything in requirements and global-requirements? | 14:46 |
| m3m0_ | yes, | 14:47 |
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| m3m0_ | elasticsearch_dsl>=2.0.0 | 14:47 |
| daemontool_ | ok make sure to add it here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332874/ | 14:47 |
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| m3m0_ | I will | 14:47 |
| daemontool_ | and have that commit depending on the global requirements change | 14:47 |
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| daemontool_ | or the check-requirements gate job will fail | 14:48 |
| m3m0_ | and by doing this, we can ensure we have all the mappings for freezer, currently we only have around 70% of the arguments mapped | 14:48 |
| m3m0_ | yes, this still is a WIP | 14:48 |
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| szaher_ | +1 | 14:49 |
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| m3m0_ | if there are no objections on implementing this we can move forward | 14:49 |
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| m3m0_ | ok :) | 14:50 |
| m3m0_ | #topic deduplication status | 14:50 |
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| m3m0_ | who's working on this | 14:50 |
| m3m0_ | ? | 14:50 |
| ddieterly | daemontool_ was working on this? | 14:50 |
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| ddieterly | is there a bp? | 14:50 |
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| daemontool_ | ah, don't recall that | 14:50 |
| daemontool_ | ok | 14:50 |
| daemontool_ | I'll write it | 14:50 |
| daemontool_ | sorry | 14:50 |
| ddieterly | ok, thanks | 14:50 |
| m3m0_ | any status on it? | 14:51 |
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| ddieterly | i think daemontool_ will write bp | 14:52 |
| ddieterly | that is the status | 14:52 |
| m3m0_ | ok :) | 14:52 |
| m3m0_ | next? | 14:52 |
| daemontool_ | yep | 14:52 |
| m3m0_ | #topic tar incremental limitatations: Restore error: /bin/tar: Cannot rename ‘./test’ to ‘./heat’: Directory not empty | 14:52 |
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| ddieterly | this tar error is coming up again | 14:52 |
| ddieterly | i don't think we have a workaround, do we? | 14:53 |
| daemontool_ | ok did anyone try to remove the --incremental flag for the restore? | 14:53 |
| daemontool_ | or --listed-incremental=/dev/null ? | 14:53 |
| daemontool_ | to see if the problem is still there? | 14:53 |
| ddieterly | it was an incremental backup | 14:53 |
| daemontool_ | ok, so? | 14:53 |
| daemontool_ | you can do it | 14:53 |
| daemontool_ | but the removed filed will not be removed | 14:53 |
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| daemontool_ | for that level | 14:54 |
| daemontool_ | I don't know if it works | 14:54 |
| ddieterly | mmm... not sure anyone tried not using the listed-incremental on an incremental backup | 14:54 |
| daemontool_ | but it can be a possible work around | 14:54 |
| ddieterly | we can try it | 14:54 |
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| daemontool_ | so if the restore fail | 14:54 |
| daemontool_ | it will restart only for that level | 14:54 |
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| daemontool_ | the restore without --incremental | 14:54 |
| slashme | daemontool_: I testest all of this | 14:54 |
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| daemontool_ | ok? does it make sense what I'm saying? | 14:55 |
| ddieterly | slashme no joy, on all your tests, right? | 14:55 |
| daemontool_ | I mean does the theory works in practice? | 14:55 |
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| m3m0_ | guys we have less than 5 minutes left | 14:56 |
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| ddieterly | slashme let me rephrase that: you did not find a workaround, right? | 14:56 |
| slashme | No | 14:57 |
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| ddieterly | i think this is going to be a continuing problem that has to be solved | 14:57 |
| daemontool_ | mmmhhh | 14:57 |
| daemontool_ | yes | 14:57 |
| daemontool_ | top critical | 14:57 |
| daemontool_ | blocker I'd say | 14:57 |
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| ddieterly | yea | 14:58 |
| daemontool_ | ddieterly, open a tt to the PS | 14:58 |
| daemontool_ | haha | 14:58 |
| ddieterly | so, dar did handle this case | 14:58 |
| daemontool_ | :) | 14:58 |
| ddieterly | i proved that | 14:58 |
| ddieterly | szaher_ suggested a dar engine | 14:58 |
| m3m0_ | why don't we use that as an engine ? | 14:58 |
| ddieterly | that is a possibility | 14:58 |
| m3m0_ | guys one minute | 14:58 |
| slashme | That requires to rewrite a lot of code ... | 14:58 |
| daemontool_ | yes | 14:59 |
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| daemontool_ | let's go to the freezer chan | 14:59 |
| szaher_ | I have a patch in review since too long we need to merge it to have more enignes ! | 14:59 |
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| szaher_ | engines * | 14:59 |
| m3m0_ | not really | 14:59 |
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| m3m0_ | ok guys, see you on the other channel | 14:59 |
| m3m0_ | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 23 14:59:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-06-23-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-06-23-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-06-23-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 23 15:00:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| ameade | \o/ | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| jseiler_ | hi | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:00 |
| tbarron|errand | hi | 15:00 |
| zhongjun_ | hello | 15:00 |
| mkoderer | hi | 15:00 |
| dustins | \o | 15:00 |
| MikeG451 | Hello | 15:00 |
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| markstur_ | hi | 15:01 |
| DaiDV | hi. | 15:01 |
| * bswartz notes that ameade had his caffeine today.... | 15:01 | |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:01 |
| aovchinnikov_ | hi | 15:01 |
| * ameade is at a coffee shop | 15:01 | |
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| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:01 |
| mkoderer | DaiDV: your on the agenda btw | 15:01 |
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| tpatzig | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
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| bswartz | reminder that midcycle meetup is next week, tuesday/wednesday | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | from 1200 UTC to 2000 UTC | 15:02 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: google hangout, right? | 15:03 |
| bswartz | apologies to US west coast and east asia people for the times, we cannot make everyone happy | 15:03 |
| xyang | hi | 15:03 |
| mkoderer | webex? | 15:03 |
| DaiDV | Hi everyone, my proposing is "Implement extend and shrink features for glusterfs driver" | 15:03 |
| vponomaryov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-manila-midcycle | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | I haven't decided on webex or google hangouts, although we will use one of those | 15:03 |
| bswartz | in the past the limited number of people in google hangouts has been a deal breaker | 15:04 |
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| dustins | I'd vote for hangouts, webex sucks in Linux | 15:04 |
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| dustins | though hangouts does limit participants... | 15:04 |
| ganso | dustins: +1 | 15:04 |
| bswartz | does anyone know if hangouts has increased the person limit? | 15:04 |
| mkoderer | I don't think so | 15:05 |
| tbarron | ganso: dustins: +1 | 15:05 |
| dustins | 10 for normal, 15 if you have a google apps for business account | 15:05 |
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| * dustins was expecting the Google Apps one to be higher than that | 15:05 | |
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| mkoderer | I heard that bluejeans works for Linux Osx and windows | 15:05 |
| bswartz | I hate webex as much as anybody, but it actually works and it scales way better than hangouts | 15:05 |
| vkmc | what about bj? | 15:05 |
| vkmc | yeah | 15:05 |
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| dustins | Bluejeans is indeed an option | 15:06 |
| bswartz | Bluejeans works for me but I don't have an account | 15:06 |
| tbarron | bswartz: works, but not on linux | 15:06 |
| mkoderer | I think the RH ppl could host it | 15:06 |
| tbarron | can make it work, but then it breaks on upgrades, etc | 15:06 |
| bswartz | I keep a windows VM around expressly for webex, MS outlook, and powerpoint | 15:06 |
| tbarron | don't mean to rathole | 15:06 |
| dustins | I have my personal macbook that I could use, but I'd rather not | 15:06 |
| bswartz | bluejeans has the distinction of being the only app ever to cause a kernel panic on my laptop | 15:07 |
| dustins | (and don't tell the other Hatters that I have a mac) | 15:07 |
| * mkoderer doesn't propose to host the meeting with Micosoft Lync | 15:07 | |
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| dustins | That DEFINITELY wouldn't work on Linux :P | 15:07 |
| mkoderer | Let's start with hangout and switch to webex if needed | 15:08 |
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| gouthamr | heh, lync | 15:08 |
| bswartz | if we did hangouts we'd need to setup a phone bridge and many people would be stuck using that due to the 10 person limit | 15:08 |
| xyang | bswartz: I join webex on my Mac. I also do powerpoint on Mac. outlook is a pain. I’m using the web version | 15:08 |
| cknight | bswartz: not fair to anyone stuck with phone only | 15:09 |
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| cknight | bswartz: they wouldn't see the demos | 15:09 |
| mkoderer | cknight: demos? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | is there anyone who can't manage at all with webex? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | mkoderer: screen sharing | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | mkoderer: your demo, forgot? | 15:09 |
| ganso | isn't it possible to use both hangouts and webex? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | ganso: indeed it is, but only audio would go across | 15:09 |
| gouthamr | ganso: +1 we could start hangouts and broadcast the webex | 15:09 |
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| mkoderer | vponomaryov: :) | 15:10 |
| bswartz | oh god are you volunteering to do that gouthamr? | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | only broadcast through hangouts though, no conferencing :) | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | that sounds hideous and like it might cause your laptop to catch on fire | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | yeah, use a mac bswartz | 15:10 |
| bswartz | macs aren't open enough | 15:11 |
| ganso | bswartz: +1 :) | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | i can play with it and see if it works.. | 15:11 |
| tbarron | i don't have windows or mac but guess i'll figure something out | 15:11 |
| vponomaryov | mkoderer: it would be really big lost not seeing demo of HPB feature | 15:11 |
| mkoderer | vponomaryov: I can do | 15:11 |
| * tbarron works on an open source project | 15:11 | |
| dustins | tbarron: We can huddle around my macbook :P | 15:12 |
| vponomaryov | mkoderer: cool! | 15:12 |
| ganso | we should schedule a session at the beginning of midcycle to just make the conference work | 15:12 |
| bswartz | tbarron: there are rumors that webex can be made to work on Fedora | 15:12 |
| dustins | ganso: +1 | 15:12 |
| bswartz | tbarron: it's much less stressful to create a windows VM however and run webex there | 15:12 |
| tbarron | no license | 15:12 |
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| vkmc | but licenses... | 15:13 |
| vkmc | yeah | 15:13 |
| bswartz | tbarron: Windows is free for 90 days or something like that | 15:13 |
| tbarron | ah, true, windows 10 i guessa | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | it only starts complaining about activation if you continue to use it for a long time | 15:13 |
| bswartz | okay enough on this topic | 15:14 |
| dustins | So "borrow" a copy of windows, got it | 15:14 |
| dustins | :) | 15:14 |
| bswartz | Personally I'm leaning towards webex because it will allow enough people | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | anyone can join in audio only mode with no software at all -- just a phone | 15:14 |
| vkmc | how many people are for Manila usually? | 15:14 |
| xyang | tbarron: you don’t have a laptop? | 15:14 |
| vponomaryov | vkmc: more than hangouts allow | 15:14 |
| ganso | vkmc: ~15 | 15:14 |
| tbarron | xyang: fedora on laptop | 15:15 |
| dustins | I think the last one had 15-20 | 15:15 |
| bswartz | we'll see if we can bridge a google hangout in with some kind of magic | 15:15 |
| tbarron | xyang: that's what vkmc dustins tellesnobrega and I all use | 15:15 |
| xyang | tbarron: ok | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | I'm not going to do the whole google business account thing to get 15 people though -- that was a ridiculous hassle the one time I tried it | 15:15 |
| * tbarron subtly points out that we're bringing more folks in to work on manila | 15:15 | |
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| tbarron | besides the ceph driver people | 15:16 |
| bswartz | okay let's move on | 15:16 |
| bswartz | #topic Implement extend and shrink features for glusterfs driver | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | DaiDV: you're up | 15:16 |
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| DaiDV | yes. | 15:17 |
| DaiDV | I wanna implement two features for glusterfs driver: extend and shrink. | 15:17 |
| mkoderer | DaiDV: do you have a spec already? | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | everyone remembers that "extend" is required feature )) | 15:18 |
| bswartz | yes, extend is a required feature | 15:18 |
| bswartz | if it's not implemented, how is glusterfs not failing CI? | 15:18 |
| cknight | mkoderer: a spec isn't needed for a minor driver feature | 15:18 |
| ganso | bswartz: extend tests can be disabled | 15:18 |
| DaiDV | yes. | 15:18 |
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| mkoderer | cknight: ok | 15:18 |
| * bswartz groans | 15:18 | |
| bswartz | someone please remove the option to disable extend tests | 15:18 |
| DaiDV | CI extend is not working on glusterfs backend. | 15:19 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: don't think that this is so easy .. | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: options are not only for CI, so, I disagree to remove it | 15:19 |
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| rraja | DaiDV: i think this is a small feature, and does not need a spec | 15:19 |
| bswartz | what is the point of the option then? | 15:19 |
| rraja | DaiDV: you'd have to just modify quota limits, right? | 15:20 |
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| DaiDV | yes. | 15:20 |
| ganso | rraja: we are not requiring specs | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | disable things that I do not want to test | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | any driver that doesn't implement extend needs to be removed, and failing CI is a good way to find out which drivers that is | 15:20 |
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| DaiDV | and we also manager some exception | 15:20 |
| DaiDV | such as: shrink_size smaller than data size is used | 15:20 |
| DaiDV | and extend_size exceeds volume size. | 15:21 |
| vponomaryov | DaiDV: have you looked at existing implementations in other drivers? | 15:21 |
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| vponomaryov | DaiDV: you are not first who implements these features | 15:21 |
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| DaiDV | yes, I see it is implemented on | 15:21 |
| DaiDV | some special driver | 15:22 |
| bswartz | extend should be fairly trivial to implement unless the underlying file system on the backend is horribly inflexible | 15:22 |
| DaiDV | But glusterfs is not supported. | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | we ran into issues with extend in the generic driver due to issues with how cinder handles extend | 15:22 |
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| rraja | sorry, what's not supported? | 15:23 |
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| DaiDV | sorry, I mean | 15:23 |
| DaiDV | glusterfs driver is not support them. | 15:23 |
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| vponomaryov | DaiDV: it is unclear what is your concern that you need help with | 15:23 |
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| rraja | DaiDV: ok. can you please email in openstack-dev or gluster-dev and we'll happy to help you out. | 15:24 |
| rraja | ? | 15:24 |
| bswartz | yeah I agree, it seems like DaiDV should just go ahead and implement the features in the driver | 15:24 |
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| mkoderer | +1 | 15:24 |
| bswartz | I'm not sure what we need to discuss | 15:24 |
| bswartz | although I do feel like the option to disable extend tests should be removed | 15:24 |
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| ganso | bswartz: +1 | 15:25 |
| bswartz | I can't think of any good reason not to run those tests | 15:25 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is easy to workaround by other means | 15:25 |
| DaiDV | bswartz: +1 | 15:25 |
| zhongjun_ | bswartz: agree with remove the option to disable extend test | 15:25 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: yea, like a regex in MANILA_TESTS env_var | 15:25 |
| rraja | vponomaryov: you can always check the CI logs, right? | 15:25 |
| mkoderer | not sure how this should be "technically" possible.. 3rd party ci systems cannot be controlled.. they could simply delete the test files | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | rraja: I also can return fake "success" | 15:26 |
| bswartz | we could check CI logs but that's labor intensive | 15:26 |
| rraja | vponomaryov: :) | 15:26 |
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| markstur_ | vponomaryov is sneaky | 15:26 |
| ganso | bswartz: we should do for new drivers, but in this case, we accepted a driver before extend existed and was considered a minimum feature | 15:26 |
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| vponomaryov | markstur_: ti catch a cheater think as cheater | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | s/ti/to/ | 15:27 |
| bswartz | ronald reagan always said "trust but verify" -- that's my philosophy when it comes to 3rd party CI | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | okay I think this topic is done | 15:27 |
| bswartz | #topic Do all drivers have to inherit from driver.ShareDriver? | 15:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Do all drivers have to inherit from driver.ShareDriver? (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:28 | |
| bswartz | mkoderer: not sure where you're going with this topic | 15:28 |
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| mkoderer | I came across this topic while reviewing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312423/ | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: he dislikes EMC drivers implementation | 15:28 |
| mkoderer | I see it dangergous if all drivers do not share the same base class | 15:29 |
| bswartz | yeah... I agree | 15:29 |
| bswartz | what is going on in the EMC driver that you don't like? | 15:29 |
| mkoderer | if we introduce a new functioanltity these functions are not inheriteed to all the drivers | 15:29 |
| DaiDV | mkoderer: +1 | 15:29 |
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| ganso | mkoderer: +1 | 15:30 |
| bswartz | it looks to me like the driver does inherit from sharedriver | 15:30 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: basically it has it's one base with ABC | 15:30 |
| xyang | class EMCShareDriver(driver.ShareDriver): | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | mkoderer: actually, they inherit base class here - https://github.com/openstack/manila/blob/a97d2bd7/manila/share/drivers/emc/driver.py#L62 | 15:30 |
| bswartz | so what am I missing? | 15:30 |
| cknight | EMCShareDriver subclasses Driver, then proxies calls into plug-ins. What's wrong with that? | 15:30 |
| xyang | We have one commone EMC Share Driver | 15:30 |
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| xyang | Isilon and VNX and Unity have plugins to this common driver | 15:31 |
| mkoderer | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312423/17/manila/share/drivers/emc/plugins/unity/connection.py | 15:31 |
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| xyang | mkoderer: that is the plugin | 15:31 |
| bswartz | it seems that the EMC driver is following the same model the NetApp driver uses with a single driver class and plugins for different platforms | 15:31 |
| mkoderer | sah ok | 15:31 |
| xyang | the plugin to EMCShareDriver | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: you are right | 15:31 |
| mkoderer | ok maybe I am wrong.. than I am fine | 15:32 |
| bswartz | there are a number of advantages to that kind of design | 15:32 |
| mkoderer | I just wanted to ask if we want to stick that every driver needs to inherit from base driver | 15:32 |
| cknight | bswartz: It's a common pattern in Cinder where there are driver subclasses for different protocols. | 15:32 |
| mkoderer | if this is the case I am good | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | mkoderer: answer is "it is already so" | 15:32 |
| DaiDV | Sorry? I wonder what blueprint/spec or any introduction indicate "all drivers have to inherit from driver.ShareDriver"? | 15:32 |
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| ganso | DaiDV: I believe there is a document in devref | 15:33 |
| mkoderer | vponomaryov: ok sry.. seems i misread the code | 15:33 |
| bswartz | so mkoderer I think we all agree that drivers do need to inherit from sharedriver, and there aren't any that don't, so there's no problem | 15:33 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: +1 next topic :) | 15:33 |
| bswartz | cool, that was an easy one to resolve | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | mkoderer: EMC and NetApp drivers just do additional branching | 15:33 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:33 | |
| ganso | I have a topic | 15:33 |
| bswartz | oh | 15:34 |
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| mkoderer | what's the state of the contaienr driver? :) | 15:34 |
| bswartz | ganso: what is it? | 15:34 |
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| ganso | bswartz: additional instances in optimized migration | 15:34 |
| bswartz | mkoderer: waiting for 2 +2s | 15:34 |
| bswartz | #topic additional instances in optimized migration | 15:34 |
| aovchinnikov_ | mkoderer: its doing great! | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | oh yes this is an important one | 15:35 |
| ganso | bswartz and I were discussing this week about an approach of creating an additional share instance in migration, similar to what the fallback approach does. Conceptually I think it is not accurate because I believe that for some vendors there may be only one instance at all times | 15:35 |
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| ganso | ^ this is for driver optimized migration, forgot to mention | 15:35 |
| bswartz | I have always been against the plan to do driver-optimized migration without creating a second share instance | 15:35 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: +1, I am surprised it is not so | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: share instances were designed for it | 15:36 |
| ganso | I would like to input from other vendors present here if there are in fact two instances in every migration, and that the source instance can be restored to at any time | 15:36 |
| bswartz | regardless of what the driver does internally, I think the share API and manager should still create a new share instance for the "destination" | 15:36 |
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| vponomaryov | ganso: ZFSonLinux will have two | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: so, it "should" have two share instances | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | so for netapp, we have a technology that lets us move a flexvol (share) from one aggr (pool) to another by copying the data internally to our array | 15:37 |
| xyang | bswartz: you are planning to implement driver-optimized migration in NetApp driver in Newton, right? | 15:38 |
| bswartz | however its no problem for us to simply rename the flexvol to match the new share instance ID after it's moved, or to store a mapping from the new ID to the old name, if we choose not to rename i | 15:38 |
| bswartz | rename it* | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | xyang bswartz: hacking on that right now.. | 15:38 |
| bswartz | xyang: I don't work on the netapp driver so I don't know what the plans are | 15:38 |
| xyang | gouthamr, bswartz: ok, thanks | 15:39 |
| bswartz | I just know how I would do it if I was | 15:39 |
| ganso | bswartz: if moving fails after some data is moved, can you restore the original? | 15:39 |
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| gouthamr | though, no, no official plans on getting it done. i just want to verify that we can support it | 15:39 |
| ganso | one of the advantages in the fallback approach is that up to the last step in migration, you have the source instance intact | 15:39 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: do you know the answer to ganso's question? | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | when using vol move, can you abort and go back to the pre-migration state? | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | ganso: i think it makes sense in giving the driver two instances.. | 15:40 |
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| ganso | I'm concerned the admin may indeed be confused on what to do if he sees two instances when the driver is migrating, and believes he can delete one of them to fix it up | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | ganso: i did think of updating export_locations and all that, so it may just work for the NetApp driver to have just one migration instance | 15:41 |
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| gouthamr | ganso: s/migration instance/share instance | 15:41 |
| bswartz | ganso: couldn't we solve that by having the driver implement a check if we got a deletion request for a share instance that was the source or destination of an actively migrating share? | 15:41 |
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| gouthamr | yeah, you have the TASK_STATE don't you? | 15:42 |
| ganso | bswartz: that is an unexpected snceario | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: when you do "mv foo bar" you have two while operation not completed | 15:42 |
| xyang | ganso: are you supposed to delete the original one after migration is complete? | 15:42 |
| bswartz | ganso: you make it sound like it's valid for the admin to do that | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | ganso; so, admin won't nr confused | 15:42 |
| ganso | xyang: yes | 15:42 |
| bswartz | ganso: if we don't want to allow the admin to do that then we can lock it out at the API layer | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: +1 | 15:42 |
| bswartz | either it's okay for the admin to meddle with share instances that are part of a migration, in which case the driver needs to handle it, or it's not okay, in which case the API service should prevent it | 15:43 |
| ganso | I am planning on manila itself cleaning the new instance if migration fails | 15:44 |
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| ganso | manager code will create the new instance db entry, and feed the driver with it as "migrating_share", so driver interface will have "source_share" and "migrating_share" | 15:44 |
| ganso | if optimized migration fails, we should clean it up | 15:45 |
| bswartz | why would we clean up in that case when we don't clean up in other cases? | 15:45 |
| ganso | this should not be a dangerous operation at all, so the source_instance should be clean | 15:45 |
| ganso | when we had only one instance, we always expect data to be intact whenever it fails | 15:45 |
| bswartz | it's sometimes better to leave an object in an error state so the admin can investigate and figure out what went wrong | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | ganso: i think we can leave it behind if it fails.. administrator can be told to worry about that instance.. | 15:46 |
| ganso | bswartz: we can leave the new instance in error state, but data has to be intact | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | yes I agree | 15:46 |
| bswartz | in fact the source instance doesn't need to remain in an error state | 15:46 |
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| ganso | bswartz: yes, that's what I expect | 15:47 |
| bswartz | the source instance could go back to a normal state in a failed migration | 15:47 |
| bswartz | but the destination instance should hang around in whatever state it was in when we failed | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | so the admin can go look at what went wrong | 15:47 |
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| ganso | ok so, I will leave the new instance in error state | 15:47 |
| ganso | there is a second topic that wasn't brought up before | 15:48 |
| markstur_ | so we should tell admins to check for an accumulation of errored instances? | 15:48 |
| ganso | markstur_: we would document this | 15:48 |
| ganso | I am considering now, after talking with Valeriy, that we want to allow share_network_id to be changed in a migration, if it is specified in API parameter | 15:48 |
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| gouthamr | migrate across share networks? | 15:49 |
| bswartz | markstur_: yeah I think there needs to be a way for the admin to find those | 15:49 |
| ganso | gouthamr: yes | 15:49 |
| xyang | ganso: do we report migration fail in this case? the original share becomes available, admin may think things are wroking fine | 15:49 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: it similar to the force-retype | 15:49 |
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| ganso | xyang: we have the field task_state that would show the value "migration_error" in the main share model | 15:49 |
| bswartz | ganso: the share network would only matter if there was a share server though | 15:50 |
| ganso | bswartz: yes | 15:50 |
| ganso | bswartz: this is another thing that is going to be taken care of | 15:50 |
| bswartz | how to you migrate to a share server? | 15:50 |
| bswartz | oh a new share server would get created | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | or an existing one would get reused | 15:50 |
| ganso | bswartz: there will be a new method that validates driver compatibility to perform optimized migration, if driver agrees, and check if there is a share server in the destination host + share_network, | 15:51 |
| * bswartz considers | 15:51 | |
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| ganso | if there isn't, we invoke setup_server in the destination host | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | okay but I can't think of a case where migration would fail if we don't allow changing the share network | 15:51 |
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| ganso | bswartz: when you create a share, you tie it to a share_network | 15:52 |
| ganso | bswartz: that share_network may not span across other AZs | 15:52 |
| bswartz | the problem here is that an admin-triggered migration should be unknown to the user (aside from any outages) | 15:52 |
| bswartz | changing the share network would definitely be visible to the end user | 15:52 |
| ganso | bswartz: the host the admin chooses to migrate the share to may be in another AZ | 15:52 |
| DaiDV | bswartz: your question like "if I created new share instance, can we reused share server" ? right? | 15:52 |
| gouthamr | ganso: so, if there is no share server, you create a new one, today.. don't you? | 15:53 |
| ganso | gouthamr: fallback does that, easily | 15:53 |
| vponomaryov | DaiDV: share server belongs to host, it always will be new share server | 15:53 |
| bswartz | we need to add new user-visible change-AZ and change-share-network APIs that let the user change those things and trigger migrations on the backend if needed | 15:53 |
| ganso | gouthamr: but within driver.migration_start, the driver cannot do that | 15:53 |
| DaiDV | bswartz: s/ created /create | 15:53 |
| ganso | bswartz: but wouldn't then migration become a user feature? | 15:54 |
| * bswartz thinks more | 15:54 | |
| bswartz | okay I see it now | 15:54 |
| xyang | bswartz: then migration becomes tenant action? | 15:54 |
| ganso | xyang: yea, it would | 15:54 |
| bswartz | yes the force-retype style of admin-migration would cause a user-visible change too, and for good reason | 15:54 |
| ganso | my concern is, there are several variables that bind a share and prevent it from being moved | 15:54 |
| bswartz | therefore there's no reason not to do something similar for AZs or share networks | 15:54 |
| bswartz | okay I'm on board | 15:55 |
| bswartz | to answer xyang's question, migration won't ever be a tenant action, because tenants don't know about backends, but... | 15:55 |
| ganso | there is an alternative | 15:55 |
| bswartz | ...tenant should be able to share-retype, share-change-az, and share-change-share-network, which might trigger migrations indirectly | 15:56 |
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| ganso | allow only fallback migration to do this kind of stuff | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | oh and don't forget everyone's favorite: share-change-protocol | 15:56 |
| ganso | bswartz: lol | 15:56 |
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| tbarron | :D | 15:57 |
| cknight | :-( | 15:57 |
| zhongjun_ | :) | 15:57 |
| gouthamr | not cknight's favorite :) | 15:57 |
| DaiDV | vponomaryov: btw, why not we shared share server for two share instances? | 15:57 |
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| cknight | ganso: One more question about migration… | 15:58 |
| vponomaryov | DaiDV: it will mean we refer to single object twice | 15:58 |
| bswartz | ganso: we can certainly limit driver-assisted-migration to as small a subset of use cases as we want | 15:58 |
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| cknight | ganso: If I'm running a single-vendor Manila cloud, and that vendor can do optimized migration, is there a way to disable the fallback migration entirely? | 15:58 |
| ganso | cknight: yes, latest patch includes that config option | 15:59 |
| ganso | cknight: it is not merged yet | 15:59 |
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| cknight | ganso: great, thanks. | 15:59 |
| bswartz | cknight: I think we agreed that it should be disable-able on a request by request basis | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | the user who calls the API should be allowed to veto fallback migrations | 15:59 |
| cknight | bswartz: such an admin might want to know that "lossy" migration will never occur in his cloud | 15:59 |
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| vponomaryov | time check | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | I don't see why the admin would care -- the it's the user's data not her's | 16:00 |
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| ganso | bswartz: he does that by default, lossy default value is false, preventing fallback migration | 16:00 |
| xarses | fuel was canceled | 16:00 |
| bswartz | the owner of the data should make the decision | 16:00 |
| xarses | so go ahead | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | xarses: ty | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | well I don't want to keep you all late | 16:01 |
| ganso | bswartz: I guess I am done with my topic, unless there are more questions | 16:01 |
| bswartz | topic to possibly continued at midcycle | 16:01 |
| bswartz | ... | 16:01 |
| bswartz | thanks everyone | 16:01 |
| tbarron | bye | 16:01 |
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| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 23 16:01:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-06-23-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-06-23-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-06-23-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 23 17:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
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| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 17:00 |
| dg___ | o/ | 17:00 |
| Daviey | \o | 17:00 |
| michaelxin | o/ | 17:00 |
| mdong | o/ | 17:01 |
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| mhayden | /o/ | 17:01 |
| unrahul | o/ | 17:01 |
| browne | o/ | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | Hey michaelxin welcome back :) | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | So last week we decided to shuffle the agenda a little bit to speed things along when we don’t have lots to go over | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:03 |
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| michaelxin | hyakuhei: Thanks. | 17:03 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | Hey woodster_ | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | ok so the first standing item is now Syntribos | 17:04 |
| Daviey | hyakuhei: why is Anchor / Bandit AOB? | 17:04 |
| * woodster_ waves! | 17:04 | |
| vinaypotluri | o/ | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | Daviey: because they’re pretty stable now, not much exciting stuff happening with them | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | hello vinaypotluri ! | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Nice to see you here Daviey :) | 17:05 |
| michaelxin | we are working to make Syntribos better | 17:05 |
| Daviey | hyakuhei: nice to see you aswell :) | 17:05 |
| vinaypotluri | hello there hyakuhei> | 17:05 |
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| michaelxin | ccneil and mdong | 17:05 |
| ccneill | o/ | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Syntribuos | 17:05 |
| mdong | so this week on Syntribos we’ve had a bunch of CR’s merged | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | £topic syntribos | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | ffs | 17:05 |
| ccneill | yep | 17:05 |
| michaelxin | Anyway, we are still working on the improvements | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | I’m not even drinking today | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | That’s very cool, michaelxin ccneill mdong | 17:06 |
| michaelxin | One is about signals and detection rates | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | What’s the next big milestone for Syntribos ? | 17:06 |
| mdong | we’ve been doing some work on the output | 17:06 |
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| michaelxin | Another is about reporting. | 17:06 |
| michaelxin | We are planning to get the first stable version ready | 17:06 |
| michaelxin | That's our big milestone. | 17:07 |
| ccneill | I think we're almost done with the basic checks that we want to implement | 17:07 |
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| ccneill | we have some refactoring changes to do for tests | 17:07 |
| ccneill | and I think we're close to done with implementing reporting how we want (with minimum confidences/severities) | 17:07 |
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| ccneill | I think we'll have something stable, though not quite finished (we can still implement more tests as we go along) within the next few weeks | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | it would be awesome to see this at the summit! I’m sure that’d be a popular presentation | 17:08 |
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| ccneill | I think we'll be able to remove opencafe within the next few weeks as well | 17:08 |
| ccneill | we're still trying to figure out how best to structure some convenience methods to make test-writing easy and not have a lot of boilerplate code to import the same checks over and over | 17:08 |
| michaelxin | We are also using the broken API as our testbed. | 17:08 |
| michaelxin | Some improvement will be done on the broken API. | 17:09 |
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| ccneill | hyakuhei: I think we're going to hold off on presenting until we've gotten it a little more stable, so that we're not distracted by trying to present while we're still working to get the basic pieces together | 17:09 |
| ccneill | but we'll definitely try to present something as soon as we feel confident in the tool and have some results to back it up | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | That’s a fair approach - no pressure from me I just think it’s an exciting project | 17:10 |
| ccneill | we're inching closer and closer :) | 17:11 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:11 |
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| hyakuhei | Cool. Any more syntribos things ? | 17:11 |
| ccneill | if anyone has spare cycles to check out some CRs, it would be very handy right now | 17:12 |
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| ccneill | this CR is the basis for all the signals work we're doing: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331286/ | 17:12 |
| ccneill | since it's a dependency for most of the other CRs we're working on right now, we want to get it merged as soon as we can, but we also don't want to rush it | 17:12 |
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| hyakuhei | Interesting. tkelsey may be interested in that | 17:12 |
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| ccneill | any help, nitpicks, etc. are appreciated :) | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | Of course :) I’ve added Tim as a review in my absence. | 17:14 |
| ccneill | since signals underlie most of the changes we'll be making to improve test writing, we want to change them as little as possible after this CR | 17:14 |
| ccneill | I think that's it for us | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Makes sense. | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:15 |
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| hyakuhei | So we asked for contributions to this last week but not much happened, tmcpeak is away | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | and I’ve been tied up | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | but I’m still looking for more contributors | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | I was considering modifying the template | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | to include authors names / org | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | wondering if putting peoples names on things might make them more interesting | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Any thoughts on OSSN? | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Midcycle | 17:18 |
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| hyakuhei | hmm just looking for more info | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | but I don’t have any | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | looks like we’ve got space at IBM | 17:19 |
| ccneill | re: OSSN, I think you're right that giving credit will probably help get more contributions from people who haven't contributed before | 17:19 |
| ccneill | hyakuhei: nice, so we're on at IBM Austin for sure? | 17:20 |
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| hyakuhei | Cool, I’ll run it by nkinder | 17:20 |
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| hyakuhei | I suspect this will be a short meeting today :) | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | #topic docs | 17:21 |
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| sicarie | steady-state | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Sweet, no fires? | 17:21 |
| sicarie | a good compliance change coming in, but I'm still swamped on my end for 2 more weeks | 17:21 |
| sicarie | not yet :) | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Mail me when the review is up ? | 17:21 |
| sicarie | will do | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | Cheers | 17:22 |
| sicarie | initial is up, i'll shoot it your way | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent! | 17:22 |
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| sicarie | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330647/ | 17:23 |
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| hyakuhei | I don’t have any more info on TA either. Been a bit of a busy week! | 17:23 |
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| dg___ | likewise | 17:23 |
| dg___ | its very high on my list, but unfortunately Im massively swamped with the day job | 17:24 |
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| hyakuhei | ditto | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | #topic AOB | 17:24 |
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| hyakuhei | Don’t have much to add about Anchor other than people are trying to use it more | 17:25 |
| ccneill | yay | 17:25 |
| ccneill | who's using it? | 17:25 |
| michaelxin | Is the dates for mid-cycle finalized? | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | Need to check with Fernando | 17:26 |
| vinaypotluri | sorry for stupid questions but is AOB Anchor and Bandit ? | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | Good question, it’s any other business | 17:26 |
| ccneill | "Any other business" | 17:26 |
| vinaypotluri | ok | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:26 |
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| hyakuhei | ANything on Bandit ? | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Or ideas for the blog | 17:27 |
| sicarie | dg___ has an idea for the blog :) | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | Oh….. | 17:28 |
| dg___ | wait what now? | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:28 |
| dg___ | remind me sicarie... | 17:29 |
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| hyakuhei | sicarie: trollin? | 17:30 |
| dg___ | hyakuhei more on that one next week, we need to line some stuff up internally before we publish | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | ok buddy | 17:31 |
| mhayden | hyakuhei: have you thought of making an openstack-ansible role for anchor? | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | I HAVE! :D | 17:31 |
| mhayden | we could ask if someone has interest in using it | 17:31 |
| Daviey | How about a Kolla role for anchor? :) | 17:31 |
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| hyakuhei | We already have some AppArmor profiles but roling it into deployment magic would be an excellent next step | 17:32 |
| sicarie | sorry, got waylaid by a drive-by discussion, was not trolling | 17:32 |
| Daviey | Well... the biggest part is missing.. and that is client side handling and rotation, right? | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | Esepecially now it has slightly less stupid container script | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | Daviey: cathead is a thing but the certmonger guys are actually super keen to make it work | 17:32 |
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| Daviey | sure | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://github.com/admiyo/anchor-certmonger-helper | 17:33 |
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| hyakuhei | though I think HP got good mileage out of using cron.d | 17:33 |
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| hyakuhei | mhayden: what would a good next step for an openstack-ansible role? Suggest anything that’d be a good role to copy / build on | 17:35 |
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| mhayden | hyakuhei: we could use some of the scaffolding from the sahara or zaqar roles | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | Cool! | 17:35 |
| mhayden | would just need a spec proposed with the work detailed out there | 17:35 |
| mhayden | i've written those before for OSA, so i can help if needed | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | I’ll take a look at that hopefully early next week though I’ll have to fit it around some traffic | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | Sweet thank you! | 17:36 |
| Daviey | I wasplanning to POC anchor in kolla.. but i'm weeks away from looking at that | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | Cool! | 17:36 |
| Daviey | If yoi do some stuff as part of openstack-ansible, i'd love to see it | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | Sounds good | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, anything else to cover today? | 17:37 |
| mhayden | so, i figure i'd offer an update on the security role for OSA | 17:37 |
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| hyakuhei | sweet! | 17:37 |
| mhayden | there's support there now for RHEL 7, CentOS 7, Ubuntu 16.04 | 17:37 |
| mhayden | (and existing support for 14.04 remains) | 17:38 |
| mhayden | and someone in the community is proposing a spec to rebase the RHEL7/centos/16.04 work on the soon-to-be-released stig for RHEL 7 | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | That’s awesome | 17:38 |
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| mhayden | so if anyone is interested in offering opinions there, i'll let y'all know when the time comes | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | lol I don’t have opinions but I’ll try to take a look | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | Anything else ? | 17:39 |
| mhayden | thanks -- that's it for now | 17:39 |
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| hyakuhei | Sweet, thanks mhayden ! useful stuff! | 17:40 |
| mhayden | de nada | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | Ok I think that’s a wrap! | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 23 17:40:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-06-23-17.00.html | 17:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-06-23-17.00.txt | 17:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-06-23-17.00.log.html | 17:40 |
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| vgridnev | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 23 18:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
| vgridnev | hello folks! | 18:00 |
| esikachev | hey | 18:00 |
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| mionkin | hi ! | 18:01 |
| tosky | hi | 18:01 |
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| egafford | o/ | 18:02 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:03 |
| tellesnobrega | o/ | 18:03 |
| vgridnev | #topic News / updates | 18:03 |
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| vgridnev | my status shortly: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/sahara+branch:master+topic:bp/plugin-management-api | 18:04 |
| tellesnobrega | i put the spec for storm python jobs up for review yesterday https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333003/, create bp for that and storm upgrade on which i'm currently working on | 18:04 |
| tosky | I helped fixing jobs on the main CI | 18:05 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 18:05 |
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| elmiko | hey | 18:05 |
| egafford | Working through some licensing issues around python-libguestfs bindings (not currently in pypi.) Hopefully those will be resolved soon and I can push the change. | 18:05 |
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| elmiko | sorry, i am preparing for a conference talk/demo, my bandwidth is really shot to hell this week and next | 18:05 |
| esikachev | working on publisher job for devstack logs from sahara-ci labs | 18:06 |
| egafford | (The bindings are perfectly stable and mature, but the authors had some concerns about Python Foundation legal language. Working on it; will hopefully have an elegant solution soon, and if not, I'll post a hackier solution.) | 18:06 |
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| elmiko | only sahara related things i've done this past week was a blog post, https://elmiko.github.io/2016/06/22/hardening-sahara.html | 18:06 |
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| crobertsrh | hello/ | 18:08 |
| vgridnev | hello crobertsrh | 18:08 |
| egafford | crobertsrh: Nice merge of hello and wave emote. Raising the bar for IRC greetings right there. | 18:09 |
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| crobertsrh | I try :) | 18:09 |
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| vgridnev | other news updates? | 18:10 |
| crobertsrh | I've just been trying to do some reviews (and failing mostly) | 18:10 |
| crobertsrh | I need to do some spec reviewing | 18:10 |
| vgridnev | #topic Review priorities | 18:11 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-review-priorities | 18:11 |
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| vgridnev | we were discussing voiding additional requirements for docs building in saharaclient previously | 18:12 |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326582/ | 18:12 |
| vgridnev | news: seems like this is *not* going to be landed to globals, since lib is not maintained. | 18:13 |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325932/ | 18:13 |
| egafford | Well, if the lib isn't going to be maintained, maybe it's actually *better* for us to copy what we're using. | 18:13 |
| vgridnev | as author of lib answered, he is searching for maintainer | 18:13 |
| egafford | So... I guess that's a dramatic reversal of my previous position. :) | 18:14 |
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| vgridnev | copy of his answer, http://paste.openstack.org/show/521722/ | 18:14 |
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| egafford | Yeah. Sounds like this patch is our best solution. | 18:16 |
| egafford | (Given that what the modules are doing for us is really quite nice.) | 18:16 |
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| egafford | Thanks for making sure it was the right answer. | 18:17 |
| crobertsrh | +1, seems like "it's our problem now" | 18:17 |
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| vgridnev | ok, nice | 18:18 |
| egafford | Hopefully it'll just sit there cranking out docs and we'll never think about it again. | 18:18 |
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| vgridnev | #topic API v2 progress | 18:19 |
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| vgridnev | is there some news? I bet no | 18:19 |
| vgridnev | except of some changes of mine https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/sahara+branch:master+topic:bp/plugin-management-api | 18:20 |
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| vgridnev | elmiko, ? | 18:20 |
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| elmiko | oop, sorry | 18:21 |
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| elmiko | nothing new to report | 18:21 |
| vgridnev | #topic Specs / features status | 18:21 |
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| vgridnev | #topic Initial kerberos integration | 18:22 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327616/ | 18:22 |
| vgridnev | any other questions to resolve? | 18:22 |
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| egafford | vgridnev: Looks ok to me. | 18:23 |
| mionkin | i think it's looks good | 18:23 |
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| vgridnev | do we need to wait some other votes? | 18:24 |
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| elmiko | the last version i looked at was good to me | 18:24 |
| egafford | elmiko: I think if we get your +2 we can merge; it's been open for comment for awhile. | 18:25 |
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| vgridnev | ok, moving | 18:26 |
| NikitaKonovalov | spec looks good to me as well | 18:26 |
| tellesnobrega | I don't why not move on with this either | 18:26 |
| egafford | (Or someone else's :) ) | 18:26 |
| elmiko | egafford: yea, i will read it now | 18:27 |
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| vgridnev | NikitaKonovalov, I guess egafford hinted that you have +2 vote | 18:28 |
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| egafford | I did hint that! | 18:28 |
| vgridnev | #topic Allow creation of python topologies for Storm | 18:29 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333003/ | 18:29 |
| egafford | The spec looks good; I asked for a little bit more detail on what the cmdline looks like and whether any special configs are needed (and how data sources get passed in.) | 18:29 |
| vgridnev | tellesnobrega, it's your time to address comments on spec | 18:30 |
| tellesnobrega | so that, anyone had a chance to read it yet? (except egafford - saw your comments and will improve it) | 18:30 |
| egafford | Nothing wrong with it at all though. | 18:30 |
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| tellesnobrega | thanks vgridnev | 18:30 |
| tellesnobrega | basically I'm proposing that we allow in storm to be submitted jobs implemented using the pyleus framework | 18:30 |
| tellesnobrega | which allows the user to develop the whole thing using python and yaml (which is quicker and friendlier than java) | 18:31 |
| tellesnobrega | this won't change much of the way storm works today, just a single command line change depending on the job type select (storm or pyleus) | 18:31 |
| tellesnobrega | I will address Elise's comments on the spec but if anyone wants to take a look on that today I can wait to do it all at once | 18:32 |
| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, I don't think UI changes will be needed | 18:32 |
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| egafford | tellesnobrega: I believe that at present any new job type requires a UI change in order for it to be useable via the UI. crobertsrh, NikitaKonovalov, is this still true? | 18:33 |
| crobertsrh | Most likely, yes | 18:34 |
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| vgridnev | tellesnobrega, so just noted, what is the scope of using pyleus (cluster nodes / controller with sahara) ? I mean, do we need to push that to requirements? | 18:34 |
| crobertsrh | The job types dropdown did get smarter awhile back, but the UI might need tweaks for the specifics of the job | 18:34 |
| tellesnobrega | egafford, I see, you mean adding it to the list of job types and so on... yes, that will be needed | 18:34 |
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| egafford | tellesnobrega: Yeah. Should be really minor, but. | 18:35 |
| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, cluster nodes will need to have it installed, sahara controller won't | 18:35 |
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| vgridnev | cool | 18:35 |
| tellesnobrega | the best way to do that is to install on image generation? | 18:36 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | tellesnobrega: changes to UI mostly depend on how much stuff the job type supports. If it woks with Data Sources, then you'll need to enable them in UI. But that again is pretty minor. | 18:36 |
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| tellesnobrega | NikitaKonovalov, makes sense, noted :) | 18:37 |
| egafford | tellesnobrega: Yeah, hopefully you can just install the packages via SIE. | 18:37 |
| tellesnobrega | egafford, awesome :) | 18:37 |
| egafford | (Assuming pyleus is packaged for our distros.) | 18:38 |
| tellesnobrega | egafford, I have to check that out | 18:38 |
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| egafford | (Otherwise your life becomes slightly more complex but not very much more complex.) | 18:38 |
| tosky | is it a native python package? | 18:38 |
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| tosky | if it is, it shouldn't be difficult to ask distros to package it | 18:38 |
| tellesnobrega | yes, installed by pip | 18:38 |
| tellesnobrega | I don't think this will be a problem | 18:39 |
| tosky | good | 18:39 |
| tellesnobrega | but it is good to have it in mind | 18:39 |
| egafford | +1 to both not a problem and good to have in mind. :) | 18:39 |
| tellesnobrega | :) | 18:40 |
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| vgridnev | ok, tellesnobrega could you please update spec then with notes from discussion? | 18:41 |
| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, will do | 18:42 |
| vgridnev | ok, cool | 18:42 |
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| vgridnev | #topic Open discussion | 18:42 |
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| elmiko | kerberos spec lgtm, shall i merge it? | 18:43 |
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| vgridnev | elmiko, sure | 18:43 |
| elmiko | ok, approved =) | 18:44 |
| egafford | \o/ | 18:44 |
| vgridnev | elmiko, this one also can be merged based on our discussions today https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326582/ | 18:44 |
| elmiko | a really nice step forward for security | 18:44 |
| egafford | I like this whole "let's do specific things during our meetings" approach. | 18:44 |
| elmiko | yea, it can work really well | 18:45 |
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| elmiko | vgridnev: ack, looking at it now | 18:45 |
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| egafford | elmiko: In case you missed it earlier, basically there's no one maintaining that lib, it's legal for us to copy it, and it's doing really nice stuff for us in terms of doc automation, so code copy is actually the right answer. | 18:46 |
| egafford | (Seldom is, totally is here.) | 18:46 |
| elmiko | egafford: yeah, saw the notes on the review. as long as we are good taking on the maintenance of that for our purposes, i'm good | 18:46 |
| elmiko | added my +2, i'll let egafford do the +a since my familiarity is low on this one ;) | 18:47 |
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| egafford | BOOM. WF. Basically I'm for maintaining it as part of the codebase until it becomes unworth it. | 18:48 |
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| egafford | (And I doubt it will; it seems quite likely that it'll continue working for the forseeable future as-is.) | 18:48 |
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| elmiko | yup, i'm good with that, just wanted to raise the question =) | 18:50 |
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| vgridnev | there where an question in IRC | 18:50 |
| vgridnev | <zioproto> btw, I am preparing my trip to NYC for the Operatos Mid-Cycle. Is anyone from the sahara project going there ? | 18:50 |
| vgridnev | just to make sure, is anyone from RedHatters going to attend? | 18:51 |
| elmiko | not me | 18:51 |
| egafford | Wasn't going to, though I'm almost certainly the closest human to it. | 18:51 |
| elmiko | yeah, you could just take the train down there | 18:51 |
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| * egafford googles the schedule... | 18:51 | |
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| egafford | vgridnev: Was there a specific request for someone at it? Like, does someone need help with an evaluation or somesuch? | 18:52 |
| egafford | Or was it more general? | 18:52 |
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| vgridnev | egafford, actually it's was an operator who was asking for sahara question about sahara. As far as I know, he is also going to future summit | 18:53 |
| vgridnev | sahara question about sahara, lol | 18:53 |
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| egafford | Those are the best kind of Sahara questions, and the best kind of questions about Sahara. :) | 18:54 |
| egafford | Ok, if he's going to summit we can talk to him then. | 18:54 |
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| egafford | (Without additional travel budget.) It's zioproto on freenode who had questions? | 18:55 |
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| vgridnev | yes | 18:55 |
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| vgridnev | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-June/010674.html | 18:55 |
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| vgridnev | yep, he is using our hadoop swift library for accessing data | 18:56 |
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| vgridnev | ok, seems like there are no other points to discuss | 18:57 |
| vgridnev | #endmeeting | 18:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 23 18:57:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-06-23-18.00.html | 18:57 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks vgridnev | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-06-23-18.00.txt | 18:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-06-23-18.00.log.html | 18:57 |
| egafford | Thanks vgridnev, all! | 18:57 |
| esikachev | bye | 18:58 |
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| elmiko | thanks vgridnev | 19:00 |
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