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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 11 14:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 14:00 |
| _gryf | o/ | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:00 |
| Yingxin | o/ | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:00 |
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| edleafe | Let's wait another minute | 14:01 |
| * bauzas refuels coffee with one hand and waves with the other | 14:01 | |
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| woodster_ | o/ | 14:01 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: terrible ending yesterday, no? | 14:01 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: graaah | 14:02 |
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| jaypipes | morning everyone sorry for being late (in US west coast time zone for this and next week) | 14:02 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: good segueway... | 14:03 |
| edleafe | #topic Skip next week's meeting? | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | Many will be en route to the midcycle | 14:03 |
| * mriedem lurks | 14:03 | |
| * edleafe included | 14:03 | |
| edleafe | Of course, someone else could run the meeting | 14:04 |
| edleafe | or we could just skip it | 14:04 |
| edleafe | thoughts? | 14:04 |
| bauzas | ++ | 14:04 |
| bauzas | +1 for skippinh | 14:04 |
| mriedem | most meetings will skip next week, if not all | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: yeah, skip that one I think. | 14:04 |
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| edleafe | #agreed Skip next week's meeting | 14:05 |
| edleafe | Moving on | 14:05 |
| edleafe | #topic Mid-cycle discussions | 14:05 |
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| edleafe | The only new one is Nested Resource Providers | 14:06 |
| edleafe | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nested-resource-providers | 14:06 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: anything to say about that now? | 14:06 |
| edleafe | Or should we save it for F2F? | 14:06 |
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| * edleafe realizes that was supposed to be in 'Opens'. | 14:07 | |
| bauzas | well, f2f is good to me | 14:07 |
| bauzas | given we could first discuss on the current implementations and see where we are before discussing on the next items | 14:08 |
| mriedem | midcycle etherpad is here for reference https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-newton-midcycle | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: f2f | 14:08 |
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| mriedem | i expect a lot of discussion at the midcycle will be about what needs to get done in newton, | 14:08 |
| mriedem | like the placement api | 14:08 |
| edleafe | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-newton-midcycle | 14:08 |
| edleafe | mriedem: yeah | 14:08 |
| mriedem | and looking toward host capabilities for ocata | 14:08 |
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| edleafe | The other was Separating qualitative requirements from quantitative in a request | 14:09 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/313784 | 14:09 |
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| edleafe | That I think ties into alex_xu's post: | 14:09 |
| edleafe | ResourceProviderTags | 14:10 |
| edleafe | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099032.html | 14:10 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: thanks | 14:10 |
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| jaypipes | mriedem: I'm preparing content for next week to discuss all those things as well as the Ironic aspects of the resource-providers work and nested resource providers (which handle the NUMA stuff) | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: ++ | 14:10 |
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| alex_xu | I and Yingxin works on this propose, as part of solution for Capabilities. Propose using Tags to manage Capabilities with ResourceProvider | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: got alaski, cdent, tdurakov and rpodolyaka here in CA this week for a sprint. | 14:11 |
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| jaypipes | mriedem: we will all be up in Hillsboro next week | 14:11 |
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| jaypipes | alex_xu: ++ | 14:11 |
| edleafe | Cool, so let's make sure that we are familiar with the issues before we meet | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: agreed. lots of reading and writing to do this week. | 14:11 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: would be happy to help review / add to content before midcycle | 14:11 |
| alex_xu | jaypipes: looking for your comment :) | 14:11 |
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| bauzas | alex_xu: I did read your proposal, looks interesting | 14:12 |
| Yingxin | yes, the main idea is to manage capabilities under the scope of resource providers | 14:12 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: if you want everyone to level set before the midcycle, i'd suggest a ML info thread later in the week | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | edleafe, mriedem: before Thursday, I will send a ML post with summary of latest resource-providers (quantitative) progress. Can you do same for qualitative side? | 14:12 |
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| alex_xu | bauzas: thanks | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: heh, beat me to it :) | 14:12 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: you read my mind | 14:12 |
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| jaypipes | mriedem: yeah, will do that after some meetings today | 14:12 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: sure. I'll coordinate with alex_xu | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: alex_xu made a nice proposal about using the existing resource_providers API for the qualitative resources too | 14:13 |
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| * johnthetubaguy looks forward to the email | 14:13 | |
| jaypipes | mriedem: I finally figured out NUMA resources and modeling all that jazz while in the shower this morning (yes I know, weird...) | 14:13 |
| bauzas | devil is in the details of course, but I like the idea | 14:13 |
| _gryf | jaypipes, the NUMA case is similar to FPGA case - where whole FPGA can be resoucre, and accelerator which it contains might be one at the same time | 14:13 |
| edleafe | #action jaypipes to post summary of resource provider state later this week | 14:13 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: cool | 14:13 |
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| edleafe | #action edleafe and alex_xu to post to ML about qualitative status | 14:14 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: is that the ResourceProviderTags proposal? | 14:14 |
| bauzas | indeed | 14:14 |
| alex_xu | I and Yingxin will try to work on the spec and work out more detail, to figure out more devil :) | 14:14 |
| jaypipes | _gryf: perhaps, will continue to thnk about the FPGA action plans in relation to resource providers. | 14:14 |
| mriedem | aren't resource providers made of aggregates which have metadata (tags)? | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: cool, will read today. | 14:15 |
| bauzas | basically, a resource provider can expose tags | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | alex_xu: link to that patch? | 14:15 |
| alex_xu | jaypipes: we didn't have spec yet, just about email http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099032.html | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | gotcha | 14:15 |
| _gryf | jaypipes, I can share with you what I already know, although I'm not going to participate midcycle… | 14:16 |
| jaypipes | _gryf: sounds good. or better yet email the ML and get the conversation going there, yeah? | 14:16 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: yea, but aggregate for a group host | 14:16 |
| _gryf | jaypipes, yup, that would be great | 14:16 |
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| jaypipes | _gryf: or pass on info to pawel who I will see on Friday in Portland ;) | 14:16 |
| bauzas | _gryf: well, I would certainly wait for a bit of the resource providers infrastructure in place before including FPGA, tbh | 14:16 |
| alex_xu | mriedem: and aggregate metadata is not very easy to manage | 14:16 |
| _gryf | jaypipes, I will :) | 14:17 |
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| jaypipes | _gryf: no, really, an ML post would be better :) | 14:17 |
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| Yingxin | mriedem: that means if we want to attatch a capability to a host, we don't need to create a host aggregate | 14:18 |
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| _gryf | bauzas, that's the plan, but I'd like to be sure, that we don't close for "special cases". | 14:18 |
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| bauzas | _gryf: gotcha | 14:19 |
| edleafe | Yingxin: yeah, aggregates of 1 don't make a lot of sense :) | 14:19 |
| alex_xu | Yingxin: ++ | 14:19 |
| _gryf | jaypipes, sure. | 14:19 |
| mriedem | so would we have resource providers of 1? | 14:19 |
| Yingxin | yup, we can also attatch a capability directly to a resource pool | 14:19 |
| jaypipes | One-man Wolfpack. | 14:19 |
| mriedem | i'll just shut up and read specs eventually | 14:19 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: lol | 14:19 |
| edleafe | mriedem: sure. A host is a RP of RAM, CPU, disk, etc | 14:20 |
| jaypipes | BTW, alex_xu and Yingxin will you be in Portland? | 14:20 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: not necessarily disk ;) | 14:20 |
| alex_xu | i will be there. | 14:20 |
| mriedem | well, | 14:20 |
| mriedem | there are a class of things i'd expect the virt driver and nova to provide as capabilities, not the operator | 14:20 |
| mriedem | e.g. i support file injection | 14:20 |
| edleafe | better yet: who here will *not* be at the midcycle? | 14:20 |
| Yingxin | I'm supporting him in china :) | 14:20 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: yep, zactly. | 14:20 |
| alex_xu | Yingxin: :) | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | Yingxin: ok! :) | 14:21 |
| mriedem | e.g. i support volume multiattach, or device tagging | 14:21 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, more auto configuring of somethings is going to be really handy | 14:21 |
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| _gryf | edleafe, i'm not going to participate in midcycle | 14:21 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: yep, those are the "standardized" host capabilities I refer to in this spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309762/ | 14:21 |
| diga_ | edleafe: sorry, got late | 14:22 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: of course, there's many more non-standardized capabilities, as edleafe would remind you ;) | 14:22 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: :) | 14:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am not sure if I will be there yet (to be precise, I have nothing booked yet), still hoping I can get passport etc sorted in time | 14:22 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: :( | 14:22 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: ugh. | 14:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, getting messed around by house builders too, but slowly getting sorted | 14:23 |
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| bauzas | oh grah | 14:23 |
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| * johnthetubaguy makes secret British anger face | 14:24 | |
| mgould | johnthetubaguy: that's indistinguishable from normal British face, right? :-) | 14:24 |
| mgould | <- is British | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | mgould: possibly slightly different eyebrows I guess? | 14:25 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I wasn't expecting the Brexit to apply so fast :p | 14:25 |
| edleafe | OK, anything else we need to discuss in advance of the midcycle? | 14:25 |
| jaypipes | hahaha | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: heh | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: not from my end. | 14:26 |
| bauzas | nothing urgent to review ? | 14:26 |
| bauzas | I'm still in the weeds of reviewing the placement API | 14:26 |
| mriedem | i was going to say, placement API | 14:26 |
| edleafe | bauzas: nothing added to the agenda | 14:26 |
| mriedem | i only spent some time on that a couple of weeks ago | 14:26 |
| * mgould would like to ask about extra_specs matching; should I wait for AOB? | 14:27 | |
| mriedem | but if we're going to have a placement API in newton, we should make sure we're happy with what cdent has proposed by the time we leave the midcycle | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: +1 | 14:27 |
| bauzas | yeah, and having the placement a bit different from the other bits I know makes my review time a bit longer :) | 14:27 |
| bauzas | but I guess, no surprise here :) | 14:27 |
| bauzas | mriedem: that's why I'm tempted to only review the bits and make sure we can fast iterate during the sprint if needed | 14:28 |
| edleafe | mgould: Opens is next | 14:28 |
| bauzas | I'd certainly love some consensus on those bits | 14:28 |
| mgould | edleafe: thanks! | 14:28 |
| edleafe | bauzas: yeah, I have the same issue | 14:28 |
| bauzas | triggering +W on such huge changes like a whole new WSGI stack is chilling me | 14:28 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: I'm assuming that it won't be perfect on the first try. :) | 14:29 |
| bauzas | yeah, but that's an API, right ? :) | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | microversions FTW | 14:29 |
| edleafe | bauzas: the good thing is that it's not in use yet, so we won't break anything | 14:29 |
| bauzas | like the ones we contractually assume as being stable ? :) | 14:29 |
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| bauzas | sure, I'm not saying it's impossible, just that's it's a big event :) | 14:30 |
| edleafe | Can we start with microversion 0.1, indicating that it *isn't* stable yet? | 14:30 |
| bauzas | do we have the framework for this ? | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think while its an internal API, I feel happier about raising the min_version of the placement API, wibble upgrade worries | 14:30 |
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| jaypipes | mgould: let's discuss that in #openstack-nova after meeting, yeah? | 14:31 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: cool | 14:31 |
| edleafe | Let's move on | 14:31 |
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| mgould | jaypipes: sure, thanks | 14:31 |
| edleafe | #topic Opens | 14:31 |
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| edleafe | Other services directly accessing the Scheduler and/or request database | 14:31 |
| edleafe | Watcher has updated their spec for integrating with Nova: | 14:31 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329873 | 14:32 |
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| edleafe | Other services directly accessing the Scheduler and/or request database | 14:32 |
| edleafe | Watcher has updated their spec for integrating with Nova: | 14:32 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329873 | 14:32 |
| * edleafe fails copy/paste | 14:32 | |
| edleafe | They plan to submit a Nova backlog spec before the midcycle | 14:32 |
| edleafe | We need to clarify the projected availability of the Placement API, and strategies to use until that is available. | 14:32 |
| edleafe | Anyone from Watcher here to add to this? | 14:33 |
| acabot_ | Watcher will have its midcycle in Hillsboro next week | 14:33 |
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| edleafe | Yep, same time and place as Nova | 14:33 |
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| bauzas | not the same building tho | 14:33 |
| acabot_ | we hope to discuss with you guys about this spec | 14:34 |
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| mriedem | honestly i want to spend a very minimal amount of time in hillsboro talking about this | 14:34 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: honestly, I can try to get to reading that Watcher spec but its going to be a stretch. | 14:34 |
| acabot_ | it would be great that you had a look to this before the midcycle | 14:34 |
| edleafe | wow, two "honestly" replies :) | 14:35 |
| mriedem | honestly for serious | 14:35 |
| acabot_ | mriedem : do you think we could submit a Nova backlog spec instead of this ? | 14:35 |
| mriedem | but we could spend all of tuesday about scheduler and RP | 14:35 |
| bauzas | oh gosh | 14:35 |
| acabot_ | I dont want to take your midcycle time, just trying to find a way to explain our issue | 14:35 |
| bauzas | spending one full day about scheduler <3 | 14:35 |
| mriedem | acabot_: submit whatever for review, but i'm just saying, we already have a full list for next week https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-newton-midcycle | 14:35 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: they need the placement API not only to expose all the resource providers stuff (our current Newton priority) but also to have it offer a select_destinations() replacement. That ain't gonna happen in Newton for sure. | 14:35 |
| mriedem | and a lot that's not close to getting done for newton | 14:35 |
| * edleafe thought we would spend all three days on scheduler and RP :) | 14:36 | |
| * bauzas was ironic | 14:36 | |
| mriedem | we also have cinder/neutron stuff on wednesday, and i figured a hodge podge on thursday | 14:36 |
| acabot_ | mriedem : no pb, I fully understand | 14:36 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: isn't scheduelr a hodge-podge? ;P | 14:36 |
| mriedem | anyway, my point is, i don't want the watcher spec to be a distraction for newton | 14:36 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: oh, for sure. The big question is the guesstimate of when a placement API for that would be available | 14:36 |
| mriedem | edleafe: we won't know that until after the midcycle probably | 14:37 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: you know how I feel about guestimates :) | 14:37 |
| acabot_ | mriedem : its definitely not a newton priority by the way ;-) | 14:37 |
| bauzas | mriedem: well, I wouldn't certainly hope more than just a brief discussion on the Watcher issue, but a short overlook would be interesting tho | 14:37 |
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| mriedem | bauzas: sure, unconference at the midcycle | 14:37 |
| bauzas | mriedem: that sounds good to me | 14:37 |
| acabot_ | bauzas : +1 | 14:37 |
| bauzas | a perfect slot for this | 14:38 |
| edleafe | mriedem: yeah, unconference sounds right | 14:38 |
| jaypipes | acabot_: I can be bribed with cookies. just FYI. | 14:38 |
| acabot_ | mriedem : any agenda available for unconference ? | 14:38 |
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| jaypipes | acabot_: and bauzas can be bribed with cheese. | 14:38 |
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| edleafe | acabot_: Or sushi. jaypipes LOVES sushi | 14:38 |
| acabot_ | jaypipes : ;-) | 14:38 |
| jaypipes | lol | 14:38 |
| mriedem | acabot_: no, i wasn't being literal about unconference | 14:38 |
| mriedem | our etherpad of items is here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-newton-midcycle | 14:38 |
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| acabot_ | sushi, cheese and sushi would be great ! | 14:38 |
| mriedem | we do loose scheduling of the agenda for the midcycle | 14:39 |
| mriedem | which is the beauty of a midcycle | 14:39 |
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| acabot_ | mriedem : thx | 14:39 |
| edleafe | Next up | 14:39 |
| edleafe | mgould: extra_specs matching? | 14:39 |
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| mgould | oh, I thought we were discussing that in the normal channel afterwards | 14:40 |
| mgould | but I can ask now | 14:40 |
| edleafe | go for it | 14:40 |
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| mgould | comments in the implementation suggest <all-in> should match capabililties which are lists | 14:41 |
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| bauzas | I think mgould wants to discuss about http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/098936.html | 14:41 |
| mgould | I've proposed patches to test this | 14:41 |
| mgould | yes, exactly | 14:41 |
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| bauzas | honestly, that sounds an implementation detail, but I could be wrong | 14:42 |
| mgould | since then, rloo found places in nova wehre the argument is force-stringified before matching | 14:42 |
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| mgould | which means you get substring matching rather than sublist matching | 14:42 |
| mgould | this is a bug, right? | 14:42 |
| bauzas | mgould: so the thing is, you want to define an oslo lib, right? | 14:42 |
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| mgould | see final coment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339596/ | 14:42 |
| mgould | bauzas: yes | 14:42 |
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| mgould | the oslo.lib people are saying "this doesn't enforce input types, we don't like it" | 14:43 |
| bauzas | mgould: so, my take on this is that yes, strings as arguments are doom | 14:43 |
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| bauzas | mgould: for a lib | 14:43 |
| mgould | OK | 14:43 |
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| mgould | but within nova, you don't care? | 14:43 |
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| bauzas | mgould: given we only have a few callers, it's certainly a nice move, but not really useful | 14:44 |
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| mgould | see also https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/90ec46c87fbf572805c7758377431e26c93622a4/nova/scheduler/filters/compute_capabilities_filter.py#L87, which stringifies the capability, giving substring matching | 14:44 |
| bauzas | mgould: I'm pretty sure you could clean that up :) | 14:44 |
| mgould | OK | 14:44 |
| edleafe | mgould: yeah, that looks wrong | 14:44 |
| bauzas | mgould: but like I said, here I think you should focus on the lib | 14:45 |
| mgould | I'll submit a patch to fix that, then | 14:45 |
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| mgould | right, OK | 14:45 |
| edleafe | Any other opens? | 14:45 |
| jaypipes | mgould: I will respond on the ML thread. need to read your proposal fully... | 14:45 |
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| mgould | jaypipes: thanks! | 14:45 |
| Yingxin | jaypipes: bauzas: Is there still a plan to move the claims from RTs to schedulers？ | 14:45 |
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| bauzas | Yingxin: ssssssht :p | 14:46 |
| Yingxin | I'm still thinking of the bp eventually-consistent stuff | 14:46 |
| alex_xu | Yingxin: :) | 14:46 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: there are patches up for having contextmanagers (call it "claims' if you will) in the scheduler codepath | 14:46 |
| jaypipes | Yingxin: yes. :) | 14:46 |
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| Yingxin | And there's a long post in ML :P | 14:46 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: which patches are those? | 14:47 |
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| jaypipes | Yingxin: I saw your post, haven't had a chance to digest it yet :( | 14:47 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: sec | 14:47 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: but that's not the idea of "claiming a resource', that's just for making sure we have a correct infrastructure for distributed writes on a synchronized section | 14:48 |
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| Yingxin | bauzas: which patch is it? | 14:48 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262938/ | 14:49 |
| bauzas | no real surprise | 14:49 |
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| Yingxin | bauzas: thanks | 14:49 |
| edleafe | OK, anything else? | 14:50 |
| jaypipes | Yingxin: I added a block on the eventual consistent and scheduler claims thing to the agenda. Long-term discussion... | 14:50 |
| bauzas | yup, I agree | 14:50 |
| bauzas | (on putting it to the agenda if we have time and if mriedem is not killing us for eating all the time) | 14:50 |
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| Yingxin | bauzas: oh that's also my patch | 14:51 |
| bauzas | Yingxin: hence my "no surprise here" | 14:51 |
| jaypipes | hehe | 14:51 |
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| bauzas | if we're done with this, I'd like to advocate for a long-standing patch | 14:52 |
| bauzas | I'd love some reviews with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244489/ | 14:53 |
| bauzas | before calling out of moving claims, we need to make sure we do claim on | 14:53 |
| bauzas | *all* our operations | 14:53 |
| bauzas | which is not the case atm, see ^ | 14:53 |
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| mriedem | that reminds me | 14:53 |
| mriedem | moshele has a thread in the dev list about cleaning up some RT stuff for pci/sriov | 14:54 |
| bauzas | jaypipes, mriedem: I'd love some feedback on this ^ | 14:54 |
| mriedem | so they can get a multinode job going for resize with sriov/pci | 14:54 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: that's certainly a good idea :) | 14:54 |
| mriedem | just a reminder though, i haven't dug into it - i reviewed one of the patches awhile back | 14:54 |
| bauzas | the "if pci:" idea wasn't probably the best idea we had | 14:54 |
| mriedem | also reminder that non-priority FFE is wednesday | 14:54 |
| mriedem | for the things that got FFEs | 14:55 |
| mriedem | that's a reminder to the cores here | 14:55 |
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| bauzas | :) | 14:55 |
| edleafe | 5 minutes | 14:55 |
| edleafe | Anythign else? | 14:55 |
| diga_ | edleafe: I have setup ready, anything I can test | 14:56 |
| diga_ | Yingxin: https://github.com/cyx1231st/nova-scheduler-bench used for setup | 14:56 |
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| diga_ | Yingxin: thanks for your help | 14:56 |
| Yingxin | diga_: np! does it work? | 14:56 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: ++ will do this mronig. | 14:57 |
| jaypipes | guh, morning. | 14:57 |
| diga_ | 4th script is not working for me | 14:57 |
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| diga_ | need some changes in that | 14:57 |
| diga_ | will ping error after this meeting | 14:57 |
| Yingxin | diga_: we can discuss it in openstack-nova later | 14:57 |
| diga_ | sure | 14:58 |
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| edleafe | OK, looking forward to seeing most of you in Hillsboro next week! | 14:58 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 11 14:58:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-07-11-14.00.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-07-11-14.00.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-07-11-14.00.log.html | 14:58 |
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| korzen | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 11 15:03:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is korzen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
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| slunkad_ | hello | 15:03 |
| rossella_s | hey | 15:03 |
| korzen | hello everybody | 15:03 |
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| korzen | so today Ihar is busy | 15:03 |
| korzen | and I will be chairing | 15:04 |
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| korzen | ok, so #topic Announcements | 15:04 |
| korzen | #topic Announcements | 15:04 |
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| korzen | I guess there has been a quite week | 15:05 |
| korzen | besides midcycle in August I do not have anything interesting | 15:05 |
| korzen | I have put the upgrades on agenda there | 15:05 |
| korzen | if there is nothing important | 15:06 |
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| korzen | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:07 |
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| korzen | so I have seen some patch for enabling the mutinode dvr as voting | 15:08 |
| diga_ | Yingxin: http://paste.openstack.org/show/529767/ | 15:08 |
| korzen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336116 | 15:08 |
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| korzen | oh, hi sc68cal | 15:09 |
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| korzen | I've seen your +1 | 15:09 |
| sc68cal | yeah, I guess I just need to update the commit message on 336116 to remove the WIP and we're good to go | 15:09 |
| sc68cal | Ihar contacted me late last week about it and said it lgtm | 15:10 |
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| korzen | ok, sc68cal anything else you want to add? | 15:11 |
| korzen | We also have LinuxBridge experimental job | 15:11 |
| sc68cal | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336793/ looks good too | 15:11 |
| korzen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336793/ | 15:11 |
| korzen | yes, that one just needs +w | 15:12 |
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| slunkad_ | I think I will need to leave..can join back in about 20 mins. | 15:12 |
| korzen | ok, lets move on | 15:13 |
| korzen | #topic Object implementation | 15:13 |
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| korzen | slunkad_, just went and I had a question about SG ovo ;) | 15:13 |
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| korzen | I have sent the bi-weekly report to ML just an hour ago | 15:14 |
| korzen | #link: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099039.html | 15:14 |
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| korzen | it seems that bi-weekly means once a three weeks for us but... | 15:15 |
| korzen | from my perspective, I have finished splitting the patches for subnet object adjustment | 15:15 |
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| korzen | still waiting for main patch with get_objects ported to OVO till other dependant patches will land | 15:16 |
| korzen | rossella_s, what about port object? | 15:17 |
| korzen | any progress there? | 15:17 |
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| korzen | jlibosva, did you have time to look at ny port-related patches? | 15:19 |
| rossella_s | korzen, I announced 2 weeks ago I think that I have no time for it...I think Ihar volunteered but he's probably too busy too | 15:19 |
| jlibosva | korzen: I can try to find some time | 15:20 |
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| * jlibosva feels bad for not being active on objects | 15:20 | |
| korzen | I guess that we need someone to take care of port integration | 15:20 |
| korzen | I'm busy with subnet and I would like to continue on network after that | 15:21 |
| korzen | jlibosva, do you know when Ihar will be back in business? | 15:21 |
| jlibosva | I think next week | 15:21 |
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| korzen | ok, so we will see in next week, if you will not find any free cycles this week | 15:22 |
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| korzen | ok so anything else with object implementation? | 15:23 |
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| korzen | I've seen some bp on refactor model definitions | 15:25 |
| korzen | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1597913 | 15:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1597913 in neutron "refactor model definitions" [Wishlist,New] | 15:25 |
| korzen | rossella_s, I;ve seen you had put it in wishlist | 15:25 |
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| korzen | rossella_s, anything actionable from that BP should be done? | 15:26 |
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| korzen | I guess the involved person should publish the patch and we will see | 15:27 |
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| rossella_s | korzen, I was just triaging it | 15:27 |
| rossella_s | korzen, I don't have much info | 15:28 |
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| korzen | rossella_s, ok | 15:28 |
| korzen | ok, moving on | 15:28 |
| korzen | #topic Open discussion | 15:28 |
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| korzen | We are progressing but slowly | 15:29 |
| korzen | I hope to see at least some objects ported in Newton | 15:29 |
| korzen | The midcycle discussion would be mainly on Ocata planning I guess | 15:30 |
| rossella_s | korzen, we need more hope ;) | 15:30 |
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| rossella_s | korzen, why? | 15:30 |
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| korzen | the release of N-3 will be just a week after Cork | 15:31 |
| korzen | and I'm on PTO after cork so :) | 15:31 |
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| korzen | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 15:31 |
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| korzen | we are meeting in aug 15-19 and the n3 is in 2 weeks after | 15:32 |
| rossella_s | korzen, just in time | 15:32 |
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| korzen | so we have some time to deliver the objects but not so many as I thought we would have to finish all of the objects | 15:33 |
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| rossella_s | korzen, right...all objects was a bit too hopeful | 15:34 |
| slunkad | hello, I'm back | 15:34 |
| korzen | so slunkad it is your last call to speak | 15:34 |
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| slunkad | well just want to ask about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284738/ | 15:35 |
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| slunkad | I am not sure what other tests I should add to it | 15:35 |
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| slunkad | probably rossella_s can answer that.. | 15:36 |
| korzen | if it is regarding the IPNetwork, then I guess it can be added in follow-up patch | 15:36 |
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| rossella_s | korzen, slunkad I commented regarding adding a test for the is_default field | 15:37 |
| korzen | ok, that one | 15:37 |
| korzen | so the id-default field is a bit strange to me | 15:38 |
| slunkad | rossella_s: right, but what test do you want for it? | 15:38 |
| rossella_s | slunkad, something like you create a sec group and see if it's default is set | 15:38 |
| slunkad | rossella_s: ok, makes sense | 15:39 |
| korzen | rossella_s, slunkad and that is the issue here, we do not set the is-default on get_objects method | 15:39 |
| korzen | if I understand correctly | 15:39 |
| korzen | the is-default is handled only in create() | 15:39 |
| korzen | but the get_objects will return not-set field | 15:40 |
| slunkad | korzen: right it is handled only in create | 15:40 |
| korzen | since we do not have any method loading the is-default for synthetic fields | 15:40 |
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| korzen | so we are not able to create an object with is-default set and check via get_objects if it was correctly set | 15:41 |
| slunkad | korzen: oh, is there no way to get the set fields? | 15:42 |
| korzen | in my understanding no | 15:42 |
| korzen | since is-default is sythnetic fields | 15:42 |
| rossella_s | if you create the unit test it will be easy to check that | 15:42 |
| korzen | and synthetic fields need to have an separate object or loading method | 15:43 |
| rossella_s | anyway I think korzen is right | 15:43 |
| korzen | like I have it on subnets.shared attr | 15:43 |
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| korzen | let me show you what I mean | 15:43 |
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| slunkad | okay | 15:43 |
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| korzen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337634/1/neutron/objects/subnet.py@187 loading shared attribute by dedicated method | 15:44 |
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| korzen | in my case, I'm setting the shared attr by load_shared, and in order to use it in get_objects I have overridden the from_db_objects method | 15:45 |
| korzen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337634/1/neutron/objects/subnet.py@206 | 15:45 |
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| korzen | slunkad, you need to follow similar approach for is-default | 15:45 |
| slunkad | korzen: alright, I'll take a look | 15:46 |
| korzen | please remember also for addint is-default as extra filtering argument, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337634/1/neutron/objects/subnet.py@180 | 15:46 |
| korzen | s/addint/adding | 15:46 |
| korzen | if the API is going to filter by is-default | 15:47 |
| slunkad | korzen: I don't think that is possible | 15:47 |
| slunkad | is-default is not exposed to the API | 15:47 |
| korzen | ok | 15:47 |
| korzen | slunkad, do you have anything more? | 15:48 |
| slunkad | korzen: no that's all! thanks | 15:48 |
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| korzen | ok, so if there is nothing more... | 15:49 |
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| korzen | #endmeeting | 15:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 11 15:50:25 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-07-11-15.03.html | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-07-11-15.03.txt | 15:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-07-11-15.03.log.html | 15:50 |
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| korzen | thanks, all | 15:50 |
| korzen | bye | 15:51 |
| jlibosva | bye | 15:51 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 11 16:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| gcb | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | o/ | 16:00 |
| oshykhkerimov | o/ | 16:00 |
| rbradfor | o/ | 16:00 |
| ozamiatin | o/ | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:00 |
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| harlowja_at_home | pining the rest | 16:01 |
| amrith | ./ | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | *pinging | 16:01 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero, haypo | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for ihrachyshka, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for lifeless, lintan, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | alright let's get started :) | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:01 |
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| gcb | no red flags from Nova as I know | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | any ongoing issues from folks? | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx gcb | 16:02 |
| amrith | none from trove. | 16:02 |
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| oshykhkerimov | no red flags from murano | 16:03 |
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| harlowja_at_home | cool, cool | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, is http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/g/build_name/periodic-trove-py34-with-oslo-master ok there? | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | i don't know if trove is py34 compat in the first place | 16:03 |
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| amrith | it is getting there | 16:04 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 16:04 |
| amrith | the jobs pass most of the time | 16:04 |
| amrith | haypo is working on some infrequent failures | 16:04 |
| amrith | that we aren't entirely able to pin down yet | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | SpamapS, howday | 16:04 |
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| harlowja_at_home | amrith, kk, looks like sqlalchemy-migrate perhaps | 16:04 |
| rbradfor | amrith, interesting the failure in one log is "migrate.exceptions.InvalidVersionError: 36 is not 35'" | 16:05 |
| amrith | well, that shouldn't ... | 16:05 |
| rbradfor | http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/periodic-trove-py34-with-oslo-master/12ad237/console.html | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | 36 is not 35, sounds about right, ha | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Howdy. | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | No red flags from Cinder. | 16:05 |
| amrith | there is some funky issue going on that he and peter are looking at (will check and update before next week) | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | jungleboyj, hey, any cinder issues or anythings | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | jungleboyj, kk, thx | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | Welcome. | 16:06 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Releases for newton | 16:07 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anyone need a release of certain things? | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'm going to hold on oslo.utils until there are a few more changes in that related to spec matching | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339596/ (for example) | 16:07 |
| harlowja_at_home | but otherwise let me know and i'll cut a larger release batch otherwise | 16:08 |
| johnsom | No issues here | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | johnsom, cool, taskflow and oslo making your life 100x better? | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:08 |
| johnsom | Totally making it 1000x better | 16:08 |
| johnsom | grin | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | nice nice +2 | 16:08 |
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| rbradfor | johnsom, what project are you implementing taskflow on? | 16:09 |
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| lxsli | o/ | 16:09 |
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| harlowja_at_home | yo | 16:09 |
| johnsom | The core controller library for Octavia is built around taskflow | 16:10 |
| rbradfor | cool! | 16:10 |
| gcb | johnsom nice | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | although i think there is an octavia link somewhere | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:10 |
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| johnsom | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Octavia | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | ah ya, that's the better one | 16:11 |
| johnsom | Actually, though we are working on merging the two | 16:11 |
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| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:11 |
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| johnsom | It will in theory become a new project "OpenStack LBaaS" or something of a such. | 16:11 |
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| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:11 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Ongoing reviews needing overview/discussion/dissemination | 16:12 |
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| amrith | ./ | 16:12 |
| amrith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339787/ | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | so one such review is this spec matcher stuff that ironic is looking for using | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | its probably been beaten to death, but just wanted to let people know about it | 16:13 |
| ozamiatin | harlowja_at_home, kgiusti, dims: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340439/ | 16:13 |
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| harlowja_at_home | lxsli, and i and mgould have been kicking that stuff into shape | 16:13 |
| ozamiatin | about zmq gates to vote | 16:13 |
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| harlowja_at_home | cool ozamiatin | 16:13 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : link? | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:extra-specs-ops-library i guess is a good link for those interested | 16:14 |
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| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313699/ is a refactor of that to be a little more scientific about the mini-language | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | if people want to look that one over | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | or any of the others in that topic | 16:15 |
| * dhellmann notes that spec_matcher.py doesn't have any docstrings | 16:15 | |
| harlowja_at_home | hmmm, err | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | ummm | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | what is is matching? | 16:15 |
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| lxsli | usage sites in Nova: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/nova/scheduler/filters/aggregate_instance_extra_specs.py#n67 | 16:15 |
| lxsli | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/nova/scheduler/filters/compute_capabilities_filter.py#n87 | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | lxsli is the best source of 'what it matches' haha | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | i need to update that docstring | 16:16 |
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| harlowja_at_home | its been a learning process to figure out what that matches :-P | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | learning/discovery | 16:16 |
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| harlowja_at_home | code by discovery :-/ | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | if someone writes some docs for this, I'll help with reviews of those other pending patches, but without knowing what this is even for I can't really help | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339787/ amrith i'll look over, some of lxsli questions seem valid (in that it seems to be a intRangeOpt vs list) | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, fair | 16:17 |
| amrith | harlowja_at_home, the intent is to use it for port ranges | 16:17 |
| amrith | or rather port definitions | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | #action harlowja add some docstrings to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313699/ cause ya, that's a good thing to do | 16:17 |
| amrith | so we'd like to be able to say 3306,22,7001-7004 | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | amrith, cool, makes sense | 16:17 |
| gcb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340098 about Python 3.5 | 16:17 |
| amrith | the points re: negative numbers are interesting | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | amrith : why are those going in config files? are those not things the user controls? | 16:18 |
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| amrith | those are things taht the operator controls | 16:18 |
| amrith | in trove there are two 'users' | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | ok | 16:18 |
| amrith | one is the operator | 16:18 |
| amrith | the other is the dude (or dudette) who requests a DB | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | oh ya, gcb thx for reminding me about 3.5 | 16:18 |
| amrith | these are operator controls | 16:18 |
| amrith | hence in the config file | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | is 3.5 turned on yet? | 16:18 |
| lxsli | non-voting | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | if the job passes, it seems fine to add that classifier | 16:19 |
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| gcb | should we do similar thing for all oslo libs ? | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | makes sense to me where appropriate | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | and let's get the job set up to be voting asap, too | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | +1 | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | anyone want to take that and run with it, should be similar across all the projects? | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | (and not that hard) | 16:20 |
| gcb | ok , I will do that | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | thanks, gcb | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool, thx gcb | 16:20 |
| lxsli | happy to review gcb | 16:20 |
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| browne | i've kinda started | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | same here | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | maybe browne and gcb can work together and lxsli and I can do reveiws | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | ok, gcb do u want to coordinate with dhellmann browne around this, seems underway :) | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | +2 | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, u are brilliant! | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | heh | 16:21 |
| dims | oops. sorry late | 16:21 |
| dhellmann | oh, my "same here" was to lxsli's "happy to review" | 16:21 |
| gcb | harlowja_at_home, sure | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, who are u | 16:21 |
| gcb | lol | 16:21 |
| dims | no clue harlowja_at_home :) | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:22 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #action dims find out who u are | 16:22 |
| dims | :) | 16:23 |
| lxsli | *cue self-discovery montage* | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Mini-online mid-cycle (virtualized) | 16:23 |
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| amrith | dims is a newcomer to openstack. please welcome him ... | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | dims, welcome welcome | 16:23 |
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| dims | thanks amrith harlowja_at_home ! | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | so i was thinking about seeing if people wanted to do a virtual online midcycle sprint kind of thing | 16:24 |
| amrith | welcome aboard. | 16:24 |
| gcb | welcome tc dims ,haha | 16:24 |
| rbradfor | welcome dims | 16:24 |
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| harlowja_at_home | we can use it do do various things (like project code examples) that never seem to get enough of | 16:24 |
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| harlowja_at_home | or focus on reviews in a more quicker fashion | 16:25 |
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| harlowja_at_home | for example for oslo.messaging work that kgiusti (who i think is on vacation) is working on | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | people up for perhaps trying something this or next week? | 16:25 |
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| kgiusti | I wish I was on vacation... | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | oh | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | thought u were, lol | 16:25 |
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| kgiusti | next week, actually... | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | ah, k | 16:26 |
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| kgiusti | harlowja_at_home: note well, if you see me posting reviews, I am NOT on vacation :) | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : I'm traveling next week, but don't schedule around me if most of the rest of the team can be available | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | kgiusti, but maybe u do code duringvacation, cause its so much fun | 16:27 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, what's dates are you proposing. | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, unsure yet, i was thinking maybe this thur/fri or next week sometime | 16:27 |
| kgiusti | harlowja_at_home: it is fun, but Death By Wifey isn't... | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | i can send out a little ML email with a little more dates | 16:27 |
| gcb | harlowja_at_home Do you mean just do one thing in Mini-online mid-cycle? | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | well we can do 2 or three | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | doesn't have to be one :) | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | just can be all focused on something that we'd like to work through | 16:28 |
| gcb | got it :) | 16:28 |
| * harlowja_at_home thought it might be useful | 16:28 | |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, I know basically nothing about oslo.messaging, so I would vote for "let's explain how oslo.messaging works/is used for Oslo contributors". | 16:29 |
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| harlowja_at_home | +1 for me | 16:29 |
| rbradfor | in line with your mention of better examples. | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | i know enough to be dangerous there, but that's about it | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | so i'd welcome that also | 16:29 |
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| harlowja_at_home | *a little bit dangerous | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | not to much | 16:29 |
| rbradfor | given it's one of the core components, and performance stresses of a running infrastructure | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | sileht, are u back yet from paternity leave? | 16:30 |
| kgiusti | if anyone wants a deep dive of the amqp1 driver - stay tuned, ansmith should be posting a design spec for that driver | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | i can't remember but i know sileht had some kids | 16:30 |
| harlowja_at_home | or a kid | 16:30 |
| kgiusti | sileht: congrats! (didn't know) | 16:30 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ya, not named josh though | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | so idk, -1 | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:31 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic The moose logo | 16:31 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so there is http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/thread.html#99046 | 16:32 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i just wanted to let people know about that | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | its about the logo | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | heidi reached out to me, and i don't think we have to do anything | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | she knows about the moose | 16:32 |
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| harlowja_at_home | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/File:Oslo-moose-color.svg (for those who don't know) | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | but she also wanted to make it known that we can change that if we want | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | and it might get an artistic touch up apparently... | 16:33 |
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| harlowja_at_home | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099046.html (better link) | 16:33 |
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| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, so it seems you have not responded to the thread yet. +1 for keeping the moose | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | anyone want to change the logo? its ok if u think something else is better (i'd like to learn) | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, i wanted to see if anyone wants a different logo or all that first before responding | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'm fine with the moose to | 16:34 |
| kgiusti | +1 to the moose! | 16:34 |
| gcb | the logo looks cute , just introduced it to my friends last week | 16:34 |
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| gcb | +1 to the moose | 16:34 |
| ozamiatin | +1 to keep | 16:34 |
| kgiusti | that, or a graphic of harlowja_at_home banging his head against a keyboard at 3am | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:34 |
| dims | +1 to keep | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | let's see what 'If your team already has a logo based on a mascot from nature, you’ll have first priority to keep that mascot, and the illustrator will restyle it to be consistent with the other projects.' | 16:35 |
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| harlowja_at_home | *let's see what restyle means | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:35 |
| dims | a rabbit biting harlowja_at_home | 16:35 |
| lxsli | iceberg | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | monty python got that one already, lol | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | (deadly rabbit) | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | lxsli, an iceberg is interesting | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | with a little titanic next to it | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:36 |
| rbradfor | more (opposable) digits for our moose, (to use said keyboard) | 16:36 |
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| jungleboyj | The moose is so cute! | 16:36 |
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| rbradfor | and let's have moose munching on the read OpenStack square. | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:37 |
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| * harlowja_at_home will be sure to send the link to this transcript in the email to the mailing list | 16:37 | |
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| rbradfor | hell while we are at it, can be doogle the moose for different events. | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | to give said illustrator some ideas | 16:37 |
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| harlowja_at_home | a positive though i think is we won't have to make our own stickers anymore! | 16:38 |
| lxsli | yeah I'm really glad they're getting professional logos made | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | def, the summits have had a interesting selection of custom made ones | 16:38 |
| lxsli | relying on hackers for art is optimistic | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | yup | 16:38 |
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| harlowja_at_home | all i can draw is stick figures | 16:39 |
| rbradfor | illustrators are hard to find, wish I had some in my circle of friends for the children's book i wrote. | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | about openstack? | 16:39 |
| lxsli | "Watch Jane Push to Git" | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | little tommy does a openstack review? | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | Seen Jenkins run. | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | run jenkins run | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | Run Jenkins, Run. | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | jinx | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:40 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ok, guess we in discussion territory :-P | 16:40 |
| gcb | Does anyone want to talk about oslo in next design summit ? | 16:40 |
| rbradfor | actually no, but on that note, This is cool from stevemar https://twitter.com/stevebot/status/751817598032019456 | 16:40 |
| gcb | The Call for Presentations deadline is July 13 at 11:59pm PT / July 14 6:59 UTC. | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | ah, good question gcb | 16:40 |
| lxsli | I proposed on mutable-config | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | i haven't submitted anything, but i should | 16:40 |
| harlowja_at_home | who is submitting (or attempting to)? | 16:40 |
| kgiusti | I'm proposing one for the amqp1 routable stuff | 16:41 |
| lxsli | we'll get fishbowls anyway right? | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | lxsli, ya, but this i guess is for presentations | 16:41 |
| lxsli | yup | 16:41 |
| kgiusti | is there anyone doing a "What's new in Oslo" like last time? | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | and/or talks and/or speed-talks or whatever those are called | 16:41 |
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| dims | ++ kgiusti | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | i can submit something, maybe people will vote for that | 16:42 |
| dims | don't know if anyone has proposed it yet | 16:42 |
| dims | +1 harlowja_at_home | 16:42 |
| * harlowja_at_home never quite understands the voting mechanism :-P | 16:42 | |
| harlowja_at_home | *understood | 16:42 |
| gcb | we tried to talk with oslo in general ,but failed to been chosen https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin_oslo_team_talk | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | gcb, i'll use something similar | 16:42 |
| rbradfor | gcb that probably competed with the other Oslo talk in Austin | 16:42 |
| gcb | so can we try it again ? :-) | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | attempt it again :) | 16:42 |
| kgiusti | I'll volunteer for a short summary of the new amqp1 driver stuff | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | so that means 45 minutes? | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:43 |
| kgiusti | only 45??? | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | or 4.5 | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:43 |
| kgiusti | crap | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | 60? | 16:43 |
| kgiusti | must... resist... more... slides.... | 16:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:43 |
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| harlowja_at_home | maybe an etherpad listing who is submitting what might be useful? | 16:43 |
| gcb | I want to resubmit https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin_oslo_team_talk , so anyone want to join this ? | 16:43 |
| rbradfor | The boring and unsexy Oslo Incubator review list for this week seeking a few +1s to prompt teams to see. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294241/ (already +2A but merge failed previously), https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294775/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340414/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340415/ | 16:43 |
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| harlowja_at_home | gcb, i'm in | 16:44 |
| kgiusti | gcb: +1 | 16:44 |
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| kgiusti | harlowja_at_home: +1 | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | how about we drop these (and who) on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barcelona_oslo_talks | 16:45 |
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| harlowja_at_home | then at least we can know who is proposing what | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | (to avoid duplicates and ...) | 16:45 |
| stevemar | rbradfor: haha, glad i could make the meeting minutes :P | 16:45 |
| gcb | I was chosen as Track chair recently, so maybe we can success this time | 16:45 |
| rbradfor | stevemar, you didn't #openstack tag it (and I understand that) but I wanted to share among friends. | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | gcb, nice | 16:46 |
| stevemar | rbradfor: ah, i didn't know i should have done that - d'oh | 16:46 |
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| amrith | gcb, do you accept bribes? | 16:46 |
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| harlowja_at_home | shhhh | 16:46 |
| amrith | if so, please state currency and denomination | 16:46 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, stevemar needs an official moose oneise. | 16:46 |
| amrith | oh, sorry, wrong channel :) | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | one does not talk about fight clib | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:46 |
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| harlowja_at_home | *club | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | rbradfor, i'm sure we can get that | 16:47 |
| lxsli | tbh we don't talk about fight clib either | 16:47 |
| kgiusti | gcb: #3 - might make better sense for a dev fishbowl | 16:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | lxsli, :) | 16:47 |
| kgiusti | gcb: In Austin, there was a presentation that gave a summary of all the new Oslo stuff - a head's up for our users. | 16:48 |
| gcb | "live from olso" ? | 16:48 |
| kgiusti | gcb: I think so - I'll look for the link. | 16:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | we need a green screen for that, so we can put a real oslo, norway backdrop | 16:49 |
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| kgiusti | It was a good way of making some noise about new Oslo features without getting too detailed. | 16:50 |
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| gcb | kgiusti +1 | 16:50 |
| dims | https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/8789 | 16:50 |
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| kgiusti | dims: bingo! thanks. | 16:50 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, it was useful i think, can make it even more useful this time (if we can get it again) | 16:50 |
| gcb | dims thanks | 16:51 |
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| harlowja_at_home | alright, anything else people want to bring up? | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | seems like we running out of discussion/meeting juice | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:52 |
| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, ^^ incubator +1 help | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | ah ya, dhellmann also was intersted in that i think | 16:52 |
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| rbradfor | for oslo contributors, it helps if a few people +1 every now and then on low volume projects, helps to get it in front of people. | 16:53 |
| harlowja_at_home | agreed | 16:54 |
| rbradfor | browne, you offered to tackle the memorycache in keystonemiddleware | 16:54 |
| browne | ok sure | 16:54 |
| gcb | rbradfor , I will help review | 16:55 |
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| browne | i'll look into that again, if its still unhandled | 16:55 |
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| rbradfor | browne, still all yours | 16:55 |
| rbradfor | I checked today | 16:55 |
| browne | col | 16:55 |
| browne | cool | 16:55 |
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| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:56 |
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| harlowja_at_home | thx for coming folks! | 16:57 |
| harlowja_at_home | back to your day jobs! | 16:57 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:57 |
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| rbradfor | harlowja_at_home, thanks for doing the hard work. | 16:57 |
| harlowja_at_home | meh | 16:57 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx u | 16:57 |
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| harlowja_at_home | alright, back to #openstack-oslo for more fun! | 16:57 |
| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
| gcb | I will back to my bed :-) | 16:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 11 16:57:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-07-11-16.00.html | 16:57 |
| harlowja_at_home | gcb :) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-07-11-16.00.txt | 16:57 |
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| mfedosin | Courtesy meeting reminder ( #openstack-meeting-alt ): nikhil_k, ativelkov, mfedosin, docaedo, dshakhray, kfox111, kairat, nikhil, sudipto | 17:30 |
| nikhil | o/ | 17:30 |
| dshakhray | o/ | 17:30 |
| mfedosin | #startmeeting glare | 17:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 11 17:31:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mfedosin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: glare)" | 17:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'glare' | 17:31 |
| mfedosin | #topic Updates | 17:32 |
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| mfedosin | nikhil hi :) | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | thanks for review | 17:32 |
| nikhil | hello | 17:32 |
| nikhil | yw :) | 17:32 |
| mfedosin | let me begin with updates | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | kairat and dshakhray are implementing functional tests for glare | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | and also fixing small bugs if they are found | 17:33 |
| mfedosin | sskripnick is developing POC for app-catalog | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | it was decided to start using glare from gerrit | 17:34 |
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| mfedosin | and don't wait for the code to merge | 17:34 |
| mfedosin | also we have discussed artifact type for Heat with Heat team | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | we implemented the structure and decided to organize another meeting this Friday | 17:35 |
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| mfedosin | these are all updates to this moment | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | nikhil can we discuss your comments? | 17:36 |
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| mfedosin | on the spec | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | #topic Glare API spec | 17:37 |
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| nikhil | I would prefer the discussion to be on the spec but we can discuss some things here that can be copied | 17:37 |
| nikhil | (for faster resolution) | 17:37 |
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| mfedosin | first of all, glare supports various db backends for artifact types | 17:38 |
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| mfedosin | so, it's absolutely okay to store images artifact in one table and other types in unified db | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | that's why I'm confused by the phrase '"we can never use images as artifacts"' | 17:39 |
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| mfedosin | we can and we use :) | 17:39 |
| mfedosin | I don't mind if image artifact type won't be merged initially, but in future we will need it | 17:40 |
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| mfedosin | btw, link to the spec: | 17:40 |
| mfedosin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283136/ | 17:40 |
| nikhil | what you are saying is that glare will use glance db for accessing images | 17:41 |
| nikhil | but there won't be a artifact called images (which will be same as other artifacts, given images will need workarounds) | 17:41 |
| nikhil | this means cinder volumes and nova images can never be separate entities | 17:42 |
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| mfedosin | hm... we can store images artifacts in images tables easily | 17:43 |
| mfedosin | yes, some workarounds are required, but it's not hard | 17:43 |
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| mfedosin | more over, we've already implemented an adapter for images | 17:44 |
| mfedosin | and if you look at my old demos you'll see that glare is able to work with images in parallel with glance | 17:44 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: sure, impl wise I've seen it work and that means it's not hard initially, but in the long run it's a load on maintenance. also, I don't think there's been enough knowledge sharing for that sort of logic to be maintained by the large group so I dunno what the plans are and what people are agreeing to. | 17:45 |
| nikhil | I don't think a compat layer in glare for images API is okay | 17:45 |
| nikhil | in the future, if we glare need to operate on images, I think the community needs to take that decision. the upload/download of images is a controvetial topic and the reference implementation of the images API is in glance | 17:46 |
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| mfedosin | anyway we have to implement image artifact type for app-catalog | 17:46 |
| nikhil | if there are multiple implementation of the same thing (without compatibility), we will have trouble with interop, adoption, etc. | 17:46 |
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| nikhil | mfedosin: what you are saying is a requirement, it's not an agreement. | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | there are fewer changes between glare/glance v2, than glancev1/glance v2 :) | 17:47 |
| nikhil | I don't think glance v1/v2 and glare can be compared | 17:47 |
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| nikhil | we have communicated clearly that glance v2 is the long term support version of the images api | 17:48 |
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| nikhil | so, we cannot have another implemtation in the near future that will be drastically different | 17:48 |
| mfedosin | yeah, I agree | 17:49 |
| nikhil | especially when they different fundamentally like dependency mgmt (w/o immutability) | 17:49 |
| mfedosin | I mean, no one forces to use glare as a replacement for glance | 17:49 |
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| mfedosin | and enable image artifact type on their clouds | 17:49 |
| nikhil | yeah and that's the conversations I'm trying to have with DefCore who are very against two different types of API for the same thing. | 17:50 |
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| nikhil | they are against this approach for simply import, so they will be very against such for a complete service. | 17:50 |
| nikhil | there are many reasons for that, one of the imp ones being 'adoption and interop'. | 17:51 |
| mfedosin | btw, how work for image-import-refactoring is going? | 17:51 |
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| nikhil | we are discussing a few blockers due to their testing constraints atm | 17:51 |
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| mfedosin | with whom? | 17:52 |
| nikhil | I plan to propose a declaration of intent based on the updates this week and hopefully we will have a sync with them before their midcycle. | 17:52 |
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| mfedosin | that's great :) | 17:54 |
| mfedosin | so, let's decide something with the spec | 17:54 |
| mfedosin | what should I add/change there to make it merged? | 17:55 |
| mfedosin | your comments make sense, but some of them are not relevant to the spec | 17:55 |
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| mfedosin | especially swift config | 17:55 |
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| nikhil | mfedosin: please respond with your comments on the spec, I think the API by itself looks great but we just need to come to consensus. if we can by tomorrow COB, we should have a spec merge before n2. | 17:55 |
| mfedosin | cool! | 17:56 |
| nikhil | mfedosin: that's okay if they are not related, kairat asked me to add them to the spec so that they can be discussed. | 17:56 |
| mfedosin | I'll answer you immediately | 17:56 |
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| nikhil | mfedosin: you can find the full convo from thurs as per link provided in the comments. | 17:56 |
| nikhil | thanks. | 17:56 |
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| mfedosin | about oslo.vo and upgrade path... | 17:57 |
| mfedosin | Stan Lagun has already asked about it | 17:57 |
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| nikhil | sure, I just posted my questions. you can say where you have added comments and if they are relevant I won't reraise. | 17:58 |
| mfedosin | oslo.vo supports hooks for upgrading artifacts with different versions | 17:58 |
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| mfedosin | We follow standard oslo.vo recommendations here. In simple cases we can rely on coercing (so, if type was changed from integer to string, then values will be automatically cast by oslo.vo: for example 123 to '123'). In complicated cases, when oslo.vo coercing is not enough, artifact type author has to take care about version compatibility and implement method 'obj_make_compatible' https://github.com/openstack/oslo.versionedobjects/blob/m | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | aster/oslo_versionedobjects/base.py#L478 | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | https://github.com/openstack/oslo.versionedobjects/blob/master/oslo_versionedobjects/base.py#L478 | 17:59 |
| mfedosin | okay, we're out of time | 18:00 |
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| mfedosin | thanks for your reviews again nikhil! | 18:00 |
| mfedosin | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 11 18:00:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-07-11-17.31.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-07-11-17.31.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/glare/2016/glare.2016-07-11-17.31.log.html | 18:00 |
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| nikhil | yw | 18:00 |
| dbite | #startmeeting training-labs | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 11 18:01:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dbite. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_labs' | 18:01 |
| dbite | #topic PXE Feature | 18:01 |
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| julen | hi dbite | 18:01 |
| dbite | Hello | 18:01 |
| dbite | good to see you julen | 18:01 |
| rluethi | hello everyone | 18:01 |
| dbite | rluethi: Hello | 18:01 |
| julen | hi rluethi | 18:01 |
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| * dbite should have waited for the greetings part before starting the topic <<faceplam>> | 18:02 | |
| rluethi | very keen on hearing about the PXE patch, are you? | 18:02 |
| rluethi | so, one patch up for review right now. | 18:02 |
| rluethi | then, there's another one depending on it. | 18:02 |
| dbite | the topic is for PXE | 18:02 |
| rluethi | then, I can post the updated PXE patch. | 18:03 |
| dbite | is that related to PXE feature? | 18:03 |
| dbite | Ok | 18:03 |
| rluethi | it depends on the other two. | 18:03 |
| dbite | makes sense, can you link them here just for the sake of minutes | 18:03 |
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| rluethi | #link https://review.openstack.org/340217 | 18:04 |
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| dbite | rluethi: I think I have already tested this patch | 18:05 |
| dbite | I will merge it | 18:06 |
| dbite | What updates do you have with the new PXE patch that you are talking about | 18:06 |
| rluethi | there's another one, then the updated PXE patch. | 18:06 |
| dbite | and the other frustrating bit for you may be to rebase your change set with the current upstream one since I rebased w.r.t. master. | 18:06 |
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| rluethi | don't worry about it, I am on top of it. | 18:07 |
| dbite | ok | 18:07 |
| dbite | phew! | 18:07 |
| dbite | julen: Anything from your side for the PXE patch? | 18:07 |
| julen | I was working on the 305991 | 18:07 |
| julen | (the "work in progress") | 18:08 |
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| julen | I made the pxe instance to boot with fixed IP | 18:08 |
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| julen | as rluethi suggested, I tried with the preseed, but it didn't work, so I did a workaround with a rc.local script | 18:09 |
| dbite | julen: Awesome, may be you could wait for Roger to send his updated PXE patch and then rebase on top of it and push again. | 18:09 |
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| dbite | julen: It should work with static IP from Preseed itself. | 18:09 |
| dbite | But from my prespective its better to control it from the DHCP server on the PXE server node. | 18:10 |
| rluethi | I am afraid that won't be necessary. I thought Julen was away for the weekend and without Internet, so I hacked away and solved all problems. | 18:10 |
| julen | now I was trying to make the pxecluster script work. So, to launch a VM, install the OS and re-attach it to the installer | 18:10 |
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| dbite | rluethi: Awesome! | 18:10 |
| julen | I was... I came back yesterday in the evening ;) | 18:11 |
| rluethi | I used julen's idea (static ip). I think it's a good solution for now. | 18:11 |
| julen | rluethi: does it work with your preseed? | 18:11 |
| rluethi | yes. | 18:11 |
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| julen | oh.. I have to check what did I do wrong... | 18:11 |
| rluethi | well, I had to amend it because it wouldn't work with a machine with several disks attached. | 18:11 |
| rluethi | it didn't know which disk to use. | 18:12 |
| julen | but, does it perform the installation with the IP 240, or does it use dhcp during the installation and set the IP on reboot? | 18:12 |
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| rluethi | now that is a good question. | 18:13 |
| julen | the advantage of using dhcp during the installation is, that we can install two machines at the same time (with some little time in between) | 18:13 |
| rluethi | why don't you test it once it's up and tell us? :) | 18:13 |
| julen | sure | 18:13 |
| rluethi | julen: but then you have to be sure that the time windows, as small as they may be, are always separate. | 18:14 |
| dbite | Ok, anything else on PXE topic? | 18:14 |
| julen | but another point is, that so much complexity is starting to make the thing a little crazy... I think it's better to keep things simple, and focus on openstack | 18:14 |
| julen | yes | 18:14 |
| dbite | julen: We have already solved the OpenStack related problems with good results for Mitaka | 18:15 |
| rluethi | yeah, I don't like how much PXE-specific code is left in the PXE patch. | 18:15 |
| julen | so... rluethi: functions-host.sh and scripts.ubuntu-pxecluster. How could I get it working? | 18:15 |
| dbite | It makes sense to wait for another release (code to be written) before we think of supporting it ;) | 18:15 |
| rluethi | julen: I am happy to answer any specific question you may have, but I suspect most will be answered when you see the updated patch. | 18:16 |
| julen | dbite: sure I meant the same as rluethi | 18:16 |
| julen | looking forward to test it :) | 18:16 |
| rluethi | it's really not all that difficult, the difficulty lies in coming up with a simple solution that works. | 18:16 |
| julen | when do you expect to commit it? | 18:16 |
| dbite | julen: This should allow us to do more cooler things with OpenStack with bare-metal or mixed VM's and baremetal eventually :) | 18:16 |
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| rluethi | the new PXE patch depends on one patch that is under review and another patch that depends on the first patch. | 18:17 |
| dbite | julen: As rluethi said after his dependent patch gets merged so I would say sometime tonight | 18:17 |
| rluethi | so merge two patches and the next one is the PXE patch. | 18:17 |
| dbite | rluethi: I merged the other patch | 18:17 |
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| dbite | So just one more. | 18:17 |
| dbite | :) | 18:17 |
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| rluethi | It's not merged-merged yet, so I can't put the next one up. | 18:18 |
| julen | well.. so let's do that. I'll wait to see the new patch and continue from that | 18:18 |
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| dbite | no worries, lets move on. | 18:18 |
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| dbite | #topic new_preseed_file | 18:19 |
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| dbite | rluethi: I think the new preseed ssh v3 file that we had is not really being used | 18:19 |
| julen | did you see the way I handled the last line of the preseed file? | 18:19 |
| dbite | I noticed it while rebasing the PXE patch | 18:19 |
| rluethi | dbite: correct. it will be, though. | 18:19 |
| dbite | julen: Yes, there are some inherent design flaws with that and we should move that topic to the ML | 18:20 |
| rluethi | The nodes booting via PXE need it. | 18:20 |
| dbite | rluethi: Shall we wait a bit for me to get the parser bits done and then I will update the base disk installation part | 18:20 |
| dbite | rluethi: does that sound good to you? | 18:20 |
| dbite | so we should only have one way to install the baremetal and the VM's and that should be possible | 18:21 |
| dbite | by injecting the ram disk and the kernel image | 18:21 |
| rluethi | Sorry, I think I missed the boat. | 18:21 |
| rluethi | Are you guys talking about the same thing? | 18:21 |
| rluethi | julen: what last line? | 18:22 |
| julen | hmm... the preseed file? | 18:22 |
| dbite | rluethi: he meant for the PXE patch | 18:22 |
| julen | the last line of the preseed file | 18:22 |
| rluethi | dbite: update base disk installation part for what? | 18:22 |
| dbite | rluethi: we discussed this point this weekend what julen was mentioning | 18:22 |
| dbite | rluethi: I meant to say the better way to install the OS even for the VM's (basically the base-disk part) | 18:22 |
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| dbite | rluethi: But that could be done later as a wishlist item for sure. | 18:23 |
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| rluethi | julen: yes, I saw that. check out my updated patch and tell me if you still think it's needed. | 18:23 |
| julen | dbite: I meant that the last line of the preseed file contains a super complex and difficult to read command. But instead, I wget-ed an script which does all that and even more, and it is easier to read | 18:24 |
| rluethi | dbite: yes, we could, for instance, cache the packages or even pull them out of the ISO which is in the pxeserver node anyway. | 18:24 |
| dbite | rluethi: yes | 18:24 |
| julen | rluethi: true, true... I'll wait | 18:24 |
| rluethi | julen: actually, that change of yours I did like. | 18:24 |
| dbite | julen: Can we use that idea for making rluethi's patch's preseed file look cleaner? | 18:24 |
| rluethi | julen: I see that as a separate patch that you could submit independently. | 18:25 |
| rluethi | dbite: yes, we can. | 18:25 |
| dbite | julen: Or rather thats a task for you to do but we should really move on the another topic, since we all agree on these topics it does not make much sense to discuss them in this much detail here. | 18:25 |
| rluethi | that would be preseed...v4, though. | 18:25 |
| julen | rluethi: include the packages on the iso, or... use the same pxeserver as a local caching repo... ;) | 18:25 |
| dbite | julen: Want to do that? | 18:25 |
| dbite | julen: We could wget it from the training-labs git repository. No need to worry about the cache. That is something for after merging the basic feature to start with. | 18:26 |
| rluethi | julen: something like that. but that's not needed for the initial patch. let's keep it simple. | 18:26 |
| julen | sure | 18:26 |
| dbite | #topic any other buisness | 18:26 |
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| dbite | Anything else that we need to discuss? | 18:26 |
| julen | so, just clean the preseed the include the script, right? | 18:26 |
| dbite | My apologizes for being a bit pushy, we should try to keep these discussions a bit away from low level details ;) | 18:27 |
| julen | dbite: what about the python version! :P | 18:27 |
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| dbite | oh yeah! | 18:27 |
| dbite | #topic Python_Port | 18:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Python_Port (Meeting topic: training-labs)" | 18:27 | |
| julen | and the parser! | 18:27 |
| dbite | rluethi: Pushed the VirtualBox Python POC to his github | 18:27 |
| dbite | We have already demonstrated although in a very crude way for POC with libvrt and python | 18:28 |
| rluethi | yes. it's a pretty direct port of osbash to python. | 18:28 |
| rluethi | will need refactoring over time. | 18:28 |
| julen | and cleaning... | 18:28 |
| rluethi | it is missing some of the features I just added to osbash. | 18:28 |
| dbite | now there is the architecture which we discussed and I will finalize the entire Python POC which should contain a couple of POC's together and then present it to everyone hopefully during the next OpenStack summit. | 18:29 |
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| rluethi | it is one of the reasons I would like to push the python port and drop the bash version. maintaining and developing both is putting a strain on my resources. | 18:29 |
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| dbite | yes, there is a lot of work involved there, most of the important pieces are already demonstrated but its no where near to even demonstration phase where we could show a sneak peak | 18:30 |
| rluethi | dbite: what PoCs are you talking about? | 18:30 |
| dbite | rluethi: Your VirtualBox, my Architecure stubs, KVM-Libvirt POC | 18:30 |
| dbite | rluethi: THe thing I did with distro switch and another one which I will do soon which provides a cleaner way to work around with dependency installation | 18:31 |
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| rluethi | okay. | 18:31 |
| julen | dbite: and... now that you are rewriting from scratch... so, did you think about making the thing more modular? | 18:32 |
| dbite | rluethi: would you consider them as some sort of mini/sub-POC's for the bigger one? | 18:32 |
| dbite | julen: Its really modular or as modular as we could practically try to make it ... | 18:32 |
| julen | for example, making a single "vm_launcher" function, which can launch either KVM or VB depending on the arguments.. | 18:32 |
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| dbite | julen: Yes | 18:33 |
| dbite | julen: Its exactly doing this in the architecture design but we need to finish and finalize the entire thing. | 18:33 |
| rluethi | dbite: I would like to merge the python port soon and then work from there, because it's a lot of work keeping that much code synced. | 18:34 |
| julen | dbite: great! :) | 18:34 |
| dbite | rluethi: That is true. Lets discuss the dead lines for this in the ML. We could try to ship the python version by the end of this release. But lets use a better metric for the same. | 18:35 |
| dbite | #action Figure out the deadlines for the Python Port. | 18:35 |
| julen | well... pxe working by the end of august? | 18:36 |
| dbite | #topic parser | 18:36 |
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| dbite | julen: lets keep it after the parser topic | 18:36 |
| dbite | So till now I have the most complex bits figured out for the parser. Thankfully the install guides team will not change the syntax for the scope of this release at-least! | 18:37 |
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| dbite | I have also decided to sit for all the install guides meetings regularly its just quite early in the morning for me but should not be a big problem. | 18:37 |
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| dbite | The architecure is quite well argued and viewed by many eyes and also the most important part is that I am fairly optimistic in being able to finish this and automate the hell out of all the install guides supported OpenStack services! | 18:38 |
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| dbite | I am trying my best to the POC out by end of this week (Sunday probably) and should be a good starting point to showcase this to the community and then merge it upstream | 18:39 |
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| julen | dbite: is that in python or bash? | 18:40 |
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| dbite | #LINK | 18:40 |
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| dbite | #link https://github.com/dguitarbite/rst2bash | 18:40 |
| dbite | julen: its in Python | 18:40 |
| dbite | julen: there is a minor bug in there where in I forgot to add pass to one of the functions but this is just a crude work in progress for the time being | 18:41 |
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| dbite | julen: Also I will be re-writing the entire history of this repository after finishing the initial work. | 18:41 |
| dbite | rluethi: julen anything else in mind for the parser topic? | 18:42 |
| rluethi | dbite: nope, not today | 18:42 |
| dbite | ok | 18:42 |
| dbite | #topic any other buisness | 18:42 |
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| rluethi | the patch didn't merge | 18:43 |
| rluethi | Maybe it's the conflict that gerrit reports. | 18:43 |
| * dbite is checking | 18:43 | |
| dbite | rluethi: Gerrit was not working for a couple of minutes, may be something is being fixed in there. Dunno! | 18:44 |
| rluethi | okay, I'll try to post the next patch in the queue as soon as this one's merged. | 18:44 |
| dbite | rluethi: ok | 18:44 |
| julen | rluethi: and send a link :) | 18:45 |
| dbite | julen: Hopefully by tomorrow morning the updated PXE patch should be merged. | 18:45 |
| dbite | julen: It would be great if you could start reviewing patches for training-labs | 18:45 |
| dbite | julen: that should give you a good idea on other features and different things and also test the changes ... | 18:46 |
| julen | dbite: I'll try | 18:46 |
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| dbite | rluethi: I manually triggred the jenkins job, now it should hopefully get merged in a couple of minutes. | 18:46 |
| dbite | julen: you could configure gerrit to send you notifications for training-labs | 18:46 |
| julen | dbite: I'll look into that | 18:47 |
| rluethi | dbite: if that works, I may be able to submit the next one today. | 18:47 |
| dbite | julen: Thanks, that would be great :) | 18:47 |
| dbite | rluethi: I see it on the status.openstack.org/zuul waiting to get merged :D | 18:47 |
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| dbite | Alright, any other buisness? | 18:47 |
| dbite | Anything else? | 18:47 |
| julen | yes | 18:47 |
| rluethi | I'm good. | 18:47 |
| dbite | julen: hit me | 18:47 |
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| dbite | s/me/us/ | 18:48 |
| julen | I'm gonna be here on the weekend, and I'll have plenty of time. If you want we could meet | 18:48 |
| dbite | julen: Lets take this offline | 18:48 |
| dbite | off meeting rather | 18:48 |
| julen | dbite: ok | 18:48 |
| dbite | julen: any other buisness? | 18:48 |
| julen | dbite: nope | 18:48 |
| dbite | ok, lets end it then. | 18:48 |
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| rluethi | die, meeting, die. | 18:49 |
| dbite | Bye guys, thanks for coming! I'm glad we all made it today :D | 18:49 |
| dbite | rluethi: Oye!!! | 18:49 |
| rluethi | :) | 18:49 |
| julen | bye rluethi and dbite | 18:49 |
| dbite | I have the powers to make you still till 9 pm :P | 18:49 |
| dbite | #endmeeting | 18:49 |
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| rluethi | bye julen | 18:49 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 11 18:49:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:49 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 11 20:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
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| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
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| alee_ | o/ | 20:00 |
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| jmckind | o/ | 20:00 |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:01 |
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| diazjf | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | as usual the ganda can be found here: | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #topic Midcycle Meetup | 20:02 |
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| redrobot | #info It's official, it will be in IBM Austin site, August 15 - 17, Security will be August 17 - 19. | 20:02 |
| redrobot | diazjf \o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-security-midcycle-N | 20:03 |
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| redrobot | #action diazjf to send email to ML | 20:03 |
| redrobot | yaaay midcycle! | 20:03 |
| redrobot | :D | 20:03 |
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| diazjf | Yeahhhhh! :) We can start adding topics. | 20:03 |
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| arunkant | o/ | 20:04 |
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| diazjf | More info on where to meet and activities will be posted progressively to etherpad | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | woot! | 20:05 |
| redrobot | should be a good time | 20:05 |
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| redrobot | hopefully productive also | 20:05 |
| redrobot | any questions/comments about the midcycle? | 20:05 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:06 |
| redrobot | #topic Barbican Talks for Barcelona Summit | 20:06 |
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| redrobot | diazjf ? | 20:06 |
| diazjf | yup! So I have 2 talks so far | 20:06 |
| diazjf | redrobot, kfarr, alee_, not sure if you can see you've been added until I press the submit button. I'll have to send you the abstracts on a google doc and you can edit them. Also make sure you update your profiles before I submit tomorrow. | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | diazjf will do! | 20:08 |
| alee_ | diazjf, can one edit once its been submitted? | 20:09 |
| diazjf | alee_ not sure exactly. Didn't want to pull the trigger because of that | 20:09 |
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| alee_ | diazjf, fair enough -- I'll take a look once you send our the link | 20:10 |
| kfarr | diazjf hold up one second, I am distracted | 20:10 |
| diazjf | alee_, kfarr, You can update your bio here: https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/call-for-presentations/bio | 20:10 |
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| diazjf | kfarr no worries :) | 20:10 |
| alee_ | diazjf, thanks | 20:10 |
| diazjf | alee_, kfarr, redrobot, lets IRC chat tomorrow before I hit submit to make sure we are all on track | 20:11 |
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| alee_ | k | 20:11 |
| diazjf | kfarr, any questions? | 20:13 |
| redrobot | diazjf sounds good to me | 20:13 |
| redrobot | diazjf thanks for getting the ball rolling on these | 20:14 |
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| diazjf | redrobot, thanks, no worries | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | cool, any other questions/comments regarding the Barcelona call for presentations? | 20:14 |
| diazjf | redrobot, kfarr, alee_, I'll add the abstracts to an etherpad and we can manipulate them tomorrow | 20:14 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | #topic newton-2 milestone | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 20:15 |
| redrobot | It's release week | 20:15 |
| redrobot | I'll be submitting the CR to get the newton-2 milestone released this Wednesday | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | this will be our first release for Newton since we missed newton-1 | 20:16 |
| redrobot | lots of changes since the Mitaka release | 20:16 |
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| redrobot | any questions/comments about the release this week? | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | okay, moving on | 20:19 |
| redrobot | #topic Open Discussion | 20:19 |
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| redrobot | any other topics that need discussin' ? | 20:19 |
| diazjf | redrobot, do you have the link to code-freeze, etc. | 20:19 |
| redrobot | diazjf http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | diazjf feature freeze will be the newton-3 release the week of Aug 29-Sep 02 | 20:20 |
| diazjf | redrobot, thank you! | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | going twice ... | 20:23 |
| redrobot | diazjf be sure to schedule some time to go out and catch pokemon during the midcycle | 20:24 |
| diazjf | redrobot, haha we have mewtwo in the confidential area | 20:25 |
| redrobot | diazjf haha, awesome! | 20:26 |
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| redrobot | alrighty guys, I guess noone else has any other topics | 20:26 |
| redrobot | so we get our 30 min back | 20:26 |
| redrobot | thanks everyone for coming | 20:26 |
| redrobot | #barbican4life | 20:26 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 11 20:26:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-07-11-20.00.html | 20:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-07-11-20.00.txt | 20:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-07-11-20.00.log.html | 20:26 |
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| Soyeh_McCarthy | Hello | 20:59 |
| Rockyg | hey! | 21:00 |
| carolbarrett | #start meeting Product Working Group | 21:00 |
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| carolbarrett | #startmeeting Product Working Group | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 11 21:00:58 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carolbarrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:01 |
| Rockyg | O/` | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | Hi Folks - who is here for the Product WG meeting? | 21:01 |
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| cloudrancher | o/ | 21:01 |
| MeganR | o/ | 21:01 |
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| carolbarrett | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | You can find the agenda for today at the link above | 21:01 |
| carolbarrett | Hi All | 21:02 |
| pchadwick | Hi Carol | 21:02 |
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| carolbarrett | HI Pete | 21:02 |
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| carolbarrett | Sorry for missing the last several meetings, travel was conspiring against me. Good to join again! | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | Let's get going. | 21:02 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Midcycle planning | 21:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Midcycle planning (Meeting topic: Product Working Group)" | 21:02 | |
| kei_ | hi. | 21:02 |
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| carolbarrett | Hi Kei | 21:03 |
| kei_ | hi carolbarrett! | 21:03 |
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| carolbarrett | I read the notes from the last couple of meetings and here's my take away | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett | Plan a 1 Day F2F on 8/22 in NYC ahead of OpenStack East and Ops | 21:03 |
| carolbarrett | Focus on the top 3 agenda items from our planning etherpad | 21:04 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Newton_Midcycle_Planning | 21:04 |
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| carolbarrett | Review Status of Top 5 User Story Review User Story wokflow OpenStack Strategy | 21:04 |
| * shamail sneaks in… | 21:04 | |
| carolbarrett | Review Status of Top 5 User Story, Review User Story workflow and OpenStack Strategy (with punctuation this time) | 21:05 |
| carolbarrett | perfect timing Shamail | 21:05 |
| * Rockyg hands shamail some popcorn | 21:05 | |
| carolbarrett | Then plan an extended working session, with voice, on 8/29 to review and discuss the outcome. | 21:05 |
| carolbarrett | How does that sound? | 21:05 |
| pchadwick | +1 | 21:05 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett: +1 | 21:06 |
| shamail | +1 | 21:06 |
| MeganR | +1 | 21:06 |
| cloudrancher | +1 | 21:06 |
| carolbarrett | Yay! | 21:06 |
| Rockyg | +1 | 21:06 |
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| shamail | I should -1 just to be the rebel | 21:06 |
| mkashyap | +1 | 21:06 |
| carolbarrett | LOL | 21:07 |
| shamail | jk :) | 21:07 |
| carolbarrett | It turns out that Intel has an office in NYC it's on the Avenue of the Americas. I've reserved a conference room that holds ~20 from 8:00 - 5:00 that day | 21:07 |
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| Rockyg | kewl! | 21:07 |
| pchadwick | carolbarret: sounds good | 21:07 |
| carolbarrett | Would that work? | 21:07 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: that is awesome news!! Great location. | 21:07 |
| shamail | The other events that week are close by too. | 21:07 |
| carolbarrett | Excellent - I have never been there, but it should be a good location. | 21:07 |
| MeganR | awesome!! | 21:08 |
| Rockyg | any hotel suggestions? | 21:08 |
| carolbarrett | I will need the names of everyone planning on attending to give to the security folks so you can get into the building | 21:08 |
| carolbarrett | Would appreciate if you would put that info in the midcycle planning etherpad | 21:08 |
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| shamail | carolbarrett: will do | 21:09 |
| carolbarrett | RockyG: I am using the hotel info provided by the OpenStack East folks, which is around TimeSquare | 21:09 |
| carolbarrett | Does anyone else have Hotel recommendations? | 21:09 |
| carolbarrett | Does anyone else have Hotel recommendations? | 21:09 |
| shamail | I am at the Marriott Marquis in Time Sqaure | 21:10 |
| carolbarrett | We'll need to spend more time planning the agenda and getting owners for topics, etc. So pls think about this, add your thoughts to the etherpad and we'll discuss again in upcoming meetings | 21:10 |
| carolbarrett | of course you're at a Marriott :) | 21:10 |
| shamail | That should be close by but I don’t have the address to see how close exactly | 21:11 |
| shamail | Of course I am carolbarrett :] | 21:11 |
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| kencjohnston | carolbarrett: Anything you need for security other than our names in the Etherpad? | 21:11 |
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| pchadwick | Bring a picture ID | 21:11 |
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| carolbarrett | Kencjohnston: Pls include company and contact number in case I do need more info | 21:11 |
| kencjohnston | pchadwick: Oh... does a TX drivers license count? | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett | pchadwick: Good point -Thanks | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett | LOL | 21:12 |
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| pchadwick | kencjohnston: does it have a picture on it - preferably yours? ;-) | 21:12 |
| Rockyg | kencjohnston, probably not | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett | Anything else on this topic for today? | 21:12 |
| carolbarrett | If not, let's move on.... | 21:13 |
| shamail | Nothing for me, I am psyched we have a location. Thank you carolbarrett and Intel! | 21:13 |
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| kencjohnston | shamail: +1, thanks carolbarrett! | 21:13 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Barcelona Summit Sessions | 21:13 |
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| carolbarrett | As you all know the deadline for submissions is coming up! EoD Wednesday 7/13 | 21:13 |
| carolbarrett | We started an etherpad to track submissions from this group | 21:13 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Barcelona_Sessions | 21:14 |
| pchadwick | yep | 21:14 |
| carolbarrett | I have drafted a submission for a Roadmap session and will submit it before the deadline and will include Pete and Rocky as co-presenters | 21:14 |
| Rockyg | kewl. Thanks! | 21:15 |
| carolbarrett | Pchadwick: Where are you on Themes and HA VM? | 21:15 |
| shamail | pchadwick: I posted a question in the etherpad regarding HA VM too | 21:15 |
| carolbarrett | Rockyg: you'll see a draft in your email... | 21:15 |
| pchadwick | I plan to use the same abstract for the themes discussion as in Austing | 21:15 |
| pchadwick | I need to follow up with Adam, but he has committed to submit a session or two. | 21:16 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Pete, I am always happy to help with themes | 21:16 |
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| pchadwick | arkady_kanevsky: sounds good. | 21:16 |
| pchadwick | I'll add you. | 21:16 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: Please add your name next to the session in the etherpad as well. | 21:16 |
| kencjohnston | team, I have to jump in a second but I'll submit talks for Roadmap and Birds of a Feather, I have another OSIC talk I'm submitting with Krish so that will max me out. | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | We have open user story on troubleshooting. and a lot of email discussion in community for it | 21:17 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Shamail - done | 21:17 |
| shamail | Thanks | 21:17 |
| shamail | Sounds good kencjohnston | 21:18 |
| carolbarrett | kencjohnston: i thought BoF were submitted later | 21:18 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Ken do you want to help with troubleshooting | 21:18 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett: Ah, I couldn't remember | 21:18 |
| pchadwick | What is our limit this time? I was told two? Is it still three? | 21:18 |
| shamail | Three sessions max per person | 21:18 |
| pchadwick | Ok - thanks. | 21:18 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | troubelshooting is your story - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317695/ | 21:19 |
| shamail | Maximum of three speakers per presentation, Maximum of Four panelist + moderator for panels | 21:19 |
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| carolbarrett | kencjohnston - OK, better safe than sorry - go ahead and make the submission. | 21:19 |
| Rockyg | BoF talks are now. meetups later | 21:19 |
| kencjohnston | carolbarrett: OK will do. | 21:19 |
| carolbarrett | rockyg: Thanks! | 21:19 |
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| shamail | TTFN | 21:19 |
| carolbarrett | There is a proposal around State of OpenStack for Enterprise - Anyone working on that? | 21:20 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | shall we combine roadmap and themes update? | 21:20 |
| shamail | That is a great topic, unfortunately I can’t participate. :( | 21:20 |
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| shamail | Should we ask Mark Baker (he did something similar at the last summit) or send an email to the Enterprise WG to see if someone there is interested? | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Carol, what do you have in mind for Enterprise state? | 21:21 |
| pchadwick | Arkady_kanevsky: Last time we thought it made sense to keep them separate, but I am open | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: would you want to partner with someone on that? | 21:21 |
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| carolbarrett | shamail: Mark Baker would be a good person to ping. Thanks! | 21:21 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: I am already at three sessions. :( | 21:21 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | upgrade, HA VM, migration,??? | 21:21 |
| carolbarrett | Also one on User Story updates - anyone working that? | 21:22 |
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| carolbarrett | I see Krish has a session in the Ops Summit to discuss Day 2 Operations... | 21:22 |
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| shamail | I prefer keeping roadmap and theme separate since there is always so much content in the roadmap session that 40 minutes doesn’t seem like enough. If we add themes as well then I don’t think we could do either topic justice. | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Carol, I htough Krish is driving user story update | 21:22 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: I agree | 21:22 |
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| pchadwick | shamail: +1 | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Do we want to present user story workflow??? | 21:23 |
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| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: I think that’s probably a sub-topic in the BoF | 21:24 |
| shamail | or a design summit session | 21:24 |
| carolbarrett | I'd keep the work flow for the BoF session, where we have a more targeted group | 21:24 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK with that. but at some time we need to expose it to wider community. | 21:24 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I explained it several time to developers at last summit... | 21:24 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: agree, do we want to propose a session in the cross-project design summit track? | 21:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I can do that. But this is shamail baby. | 21:25 |
| Rockyg | we can maybe try for a crossporjct slot for the workflow? | 21:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Must have him as at least co-presentor | 21:25 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: Go for it… I’ll be glad to help but it’s the PWG’s baby not mine :) | 21:25 |
| carolbarrett | RockyG; Sure - will someone take the AR to do this when the etherpads open for the event? | 21:25 |
| Rockyg | no limits in design summit for presenters | 21:26 |
| shamail | Rockyg: Good point | 21:26 |
| Rockyg | I'll ping shamail then and work with him | 21:26 |
| pchadwick | Agreed it makes sense in design summit | 21:26 |
| carolbarrett | #action Arkady to propose a work flow walk thru in Cross-project design summit in Barcelona with Shamail and others as co-presenters | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I will take 9) | 21:27 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | But I will vacate 7) | 21:27 |
| carolbarrett | Krish - Thanks for joining. Are you making any submission around User Stories or Fleet management for Barcelona Sessions? | 21:27 |
| carolbarrett | #action Arkady, Rockyg to propose a work flow walk thru in Cross-project design summit in Barcelona with Shamail and others as co-presenters | 21:27 |
| KrishR | the Craton team is making a submission in collaboration with Sean Roberts of WalMart | 21:28 |
| KrishR | showing fleet mgmt integrating with OneOps | 21:28 |
| KrishR | will address a subset of use cases in the user story | 21:28 |
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| carolbarrett | Sounds good - will you or someone from the PWG be part of the team? | 21:29 |
| KrishR | Kenny and I have reviewed the abstract, but dont expect to actually present it | 21:29 |
| KrishR | The presenters will be Jim Baker and Sean Roberts | 21:30 |
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| carolbarrett | OK - would be good to give folks a pointer to where they can provide more input on User Stories over all | 21:30 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | google docs for all submissions? | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | or just email to group with the draft? | 21:31 |
| KrishR | we're asking the Craton team to tell us what needs to change in the user story for Fleet Mgmt | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Krish - good | 21:31 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_Kanevsky: Google docs is probably best | 21:31 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Carol: for all submission should fols email draft to team for feedback before submission? | 21:31 |
| KrishR | carolbarrett: may ahve misunderstood your question - are you asking for the submission abstract tor eview? | 21:31 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Carol; OK | 21:32 |
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| carolbarrett | KrishR: Not asking to review the abstract, trust that you will have select a good group of reviewers | 21:32 |
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| carolbarrett | Arkady_kanevsky: If you want to send to everyone for review that's OK, if you want to target a subset who are closer to the topic, that's good too. Think it's just good practice to get another set of eyes on these things | 21:33 |
| carolbarrett | Anything else on Barcelona submissions? | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +2 | 21:33 |
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| carolbarrett | OK, moving on... | 21:33 |
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| carolbarrett | #topic Newton Design Series | 21:34 |
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| kei_ | carolbarrett: Leong and I are thinking of submitting a Bare Metal User Story presentation (or something else). | 21:34 |
| carolbarrett | Shamail - can you pls take this topic? | 21:34 |
| shamail | Sure carolbarrett | 21:34 |
| KrishR | carolbarrett: yes, we're asking people to review it...you all can see item 3 at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OSIC-Barcelona-Summit-submissions and let me know what you think | 21:34 |
| shamail | We have made good progress on the Newton Design Series so far | 21:34 |
| shamail | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hVSoNXRlp7X1VLEyulI_0PCJbfWbL6_Ue4y7jpsHp7k/edit | 21:34 |
| pchadwick | I need to follow up on feedback on slides | 21:35 |
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| shamail | Green indicates a video has been finalized and red indicates the step we are executing for each interview | 21:35 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hVSoNXRlp7X1VLEyulI_0PCJbfWbL6_Ue4y7jpsHp7k/edit | 21:35 |
| shamail | I would suggest that if you have reached out to the PTL already to review the slides, send another reminder, and then let’s move forward with green lighting the content if we don’t hear back by the end of the week. | 21:36 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:36 |
| shamail | Also, if you see a status that is incorrect, please update the spreadsheet accordingly | 21:36 |
| carolbarrett | carol making real time updates... | 21:36 |
| shamail | Thanks! | 21:36 |
| pchadwick | shamail: +1 | 21:36 |
| carolbarrett | Does anyone need help getting review attention on slides? | 21:37 |
| shamail | That is all I have on this topic… carolbarrett, Arkady_Kanevsky, MeganR_: all of you have projects that need action (it could be as simple as updating the spreadsheet :)) | 21:37 |
| carolbarrett | I'll take that as a no... Thanks Shamail! | 21:37 |
| shamail | carolbarrett: good question | 21:38 |
| shamail | Thank you everyone! | 21:38 |
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| carolbarrett | OK, moving on.... | 21:38 |
| carolbarrett | #topic CPL Updates | 21:38 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | will do. Still waiting for Rally PTL to respond. send him email last week with reminder. will do one more atte,mpt htis week | 21:39 |
| carolbarrett | This is the 1st round of updates in this meeting. Our goal is to have this as a regular agenda item, with different CPLs providing updates each week. | 21:39 |
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| carolbarrett | These are meant to be short updates to keep us all informed about status and priorities | 21:39 |
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| carolbarrett | I'll start with Kolla | 21:40 |
| pchadwick | carolbarrett: I can do Manila next week | 21:40 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Kolla_CPL_Update | 21:40 |
| pchadwick | (I have the slides already ;) ) | 21:40 |
| carolbarrett | pchadwick - thanks, will add you to the agenda! | 21:40 |
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| carolbarrett | I created an etherpad to capture the info so, others can refer to it also | 21:40 |
| Rockyg | He'll most likely be at OpenStck SV. I can corner him there if you need me to (rally ptl) | 21:40 |
| carolbarrett | The focus for the team is around bare metal support, Ansible 2.0 and increasing ease of use for Operators | 21:41 |
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| carolbarrett | Longer term they are investigating, getting plans in place for Kubernetes support. | 21:42 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I can do refstack next week | 21:42 |
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| carolbarrett | And just as a reminder, Kolla is targeting the ability to run OpenStack Services in Containers - which can simplify service management and upgrades | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Rally should be delay till I have PTL review | 21:42 |
| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: Thanks, will add that to the agenda | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 on kolla | 21:43 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | need to leave early today. | 21:44 |
| carolbarrett | Any questions or add'l info from others on Kolla? | 21:44 |
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| carolbarrett | arkady_kanevsky: have a good week! | 21:44 |
| pchadwick | No - makes sense | 21:44 |
| carolbarrett | OK - I'll update the etherpad with new info as I get it. Am working on a Horizon update in a couple of weeks. | 21:45 |
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| carolbarrett | Shamail: Do you want to talk to Cinder? | 21:45 |
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| shamail | Sure! | 21:45 |
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| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Cinder_CPL_Update | 21:46 |
| shamail | I have missed a lot of Cinder meetings but I built this update using IRC logs and the interview I conducted for the Newton Design Series | 21:46 |
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| shamail | #link https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_yCSDGnhIbzVi1HS0ZrVjJBb00 | 21:46 |
| shamail | The second link is to the final version of the Newton Design Series slides | 21:47 |
| pchadwick | How is Cinder doing Active/Active? | 21:47 |
| shamail | Oslo Tooz | 21:47 |
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| shamail | They are one of (if not THE) first projects to leverage the new DLM (distributed lock management) capabilities exposed via Oslo Tooz | 21:47 |
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| shamail | Effectively they are able to share lock information and prevent split brain | 21:48 |
| shamail | The team is focused on providing summary messages | 21:48 |
| shamail | Summary messages will improve the verbosity/context of messages from the Cinder services for operator consumption | 21:49 |
| shamail | They have also been working on Replication V2 since Mitaka | 21:49 |
| shamail | they devised a plan for the Replication V2 API during Mitaka and they are continuing forward with implementation in Newton | 21:49 |
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| shamail | They are also working on changing Third-party CI to adhere to the new recheck rules from the openstack-infra team | 21:50 |
| KrishR | shamail: you're right about TOoz use - see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185646/ - OSIC guys worked on this | 21:50 |
| shamail | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/third_party.html#requirements | 21:50 |
| shamail | Thanks for the link KrishR! | 21:51 |
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| shamail | And, as always, the first milestone had a lot of driver work since Cinder has a lot | 21:51 |
| carolbarrett | Good stuff! | 21:51 |
| shamail | a lot of them have made progress and others are working on 3rd party CI reporting | 21:51 |
| shamail | Any questions? | 21:51 |
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| shamail | Thanks for your time! That’s all I had carolbarrett | 21:52 |
| carolbarrett | Sounds like a full agenda for Newton! | 21:52 |
| pchadwick | I asked mine already | 21:52 |
| pchadwick | ;) | 21:52 |
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| shamail | pchadwick: Great question | 21:52 |
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| pchadwick | I need to see how this interacts with the HA capability that one already gets with Pacemaker/Corosync | 21:53 |
| carolbarrett | Next week we'll have updates on Manila and RefStack - if you want to get on the agenda for updates for other meeting dates, pls let me know! | 21:53 |
| carolbarrett | pchadwick: +1 | 21:53 |
| carolbarrett | OK - let's move on | 21:53 |
| carolbarrett | #topic OPNFV Update | 21:53 |
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| carolbarrett | There was an update in the Enterprise WG on OPNFV Summit. Lots of OpenStack Interest/Discussion. | 21:54 |
| shamail | pchadwick: +1, I think it will be orthogonal but the relationship should be investigated | 21:54 |
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| carolbarrett | You can find notes here | 21:54 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/EWG_7_11_16 | 21:54 |
| carolbarrett | And here | 21:54 |
| pchadwick | shamail: that is what I hope. Otherwise, I hate reinventing the wheel. | 21:54 |
| carolbarrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/EWG_6_27_16 | 21:54 |
| carolbarrett | Later this week, Shamail and I are talking with the ED at OPNFV to follow-up on our Austin discussion about how to flow requirements and resources to implement them between the 2 Communities | 21:55 |
| carolbarrett | We'll bring an update from that discussion to this team next week. But wanted to let people know this is something still in the works | 21:56 |
| carolbarrett | at least at the discussion phase | 21:56 |
| carolbarrett | shamail: anything to add? | 21:56 |
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| shamail | nothing from me | 21:57 |
| carolbarrett | OK - Last topic for today is Opens....anyone have anything to share? | 21:57 |
| carolbarrett | #topic Opens | 21:57 |
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| pchadwick | nothing from me | 21:57 |
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| KrishR | nothing from me | 21:57 |
| Rockyg | nada | 21:57 |
| carolbarrett | OK - Thanks everyone, good meeting, type with you next week. | 21:58 |
| pchadwick | ciao | 21:58 |
| carolbarrett | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 11 21:58:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-07-11-21.00.html | 21:58 |
| Rockyg | ttfn | 21:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-07-11-21.00.txt | 21:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-07-11-21.00.log.html | 21:58 |
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