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lennyblbeliveau, Hi, moshele will not be at the sr-iov meeting today. Would you like to chair it? Agenda #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sriov_meeting_agenda12:49
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lbeliveaulennyb: sure I'll take care of it12:55
lennyblbeliveau, thanks12:55
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lbeliveauSriov meeting is about to start, who do we have ?13:00
wznoinskWaldemar Znoinski o/13:00
lbeliveauperfect, let's start13:01
lbeliveau#startmeeting sriov13:01
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug  2 13:01:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is lbeliveau. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:01
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:01
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lbeliveau#topic Improving SR-IOV/PCI Passthrough CI13:01
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lennyb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343294/ is merged.13:01
lennyb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335447/ is still under review after merge fixe13:01
lbeliveauperfect13:02
lbeliveauwznoinsk: any update on intel CI ?13:02
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wznoinskI took over Intel SRIOV represenation on this meeting after Stephen Finucane, still ramping up with what guys are doing on Intel SRIOV/PCI CIs13:03
wznoinskso sorry, no meaningful update13:03
lbeliveausfinucante is not working on this anymore ?  are you going to be the owner of his patches or he still is working on them ?13:04
wznoinskI think he may be still on cpu pinning/numa stuff, he left Intel and not sure what's his new tasks are13:05
wznoinskI'll touch base on him on that13:05
lbeliveauthanks for the update13:05
wznoinsks/on/with13:05
lbeliveauwe need review for those 2 new tempest test: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348498/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348498/13:05
lbeliveauanything else wrt to testing ?13:06
lbeliveauallright, moving on13:07
lbeliveau#topic Documentation13:07
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lbeliveauonly one doc to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345193/13:07
lbeliveauso if anybody has a chance to look at it13:08
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lbeliveauanything else ?13:08
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lbeliveauI guess not, moving on13:09
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lbeliveau#topic bug fixing13:09
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lbeliveaua few commits were merged last week13:09
lennyblbeliveau, links to the tempest are the same13:09
lbeliveaugood progress there13:09
lbeliveaulennyb: cut&paste from etherpad, let me fix that right away13:10
lbeliveauright one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33923013:11
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lbeliveauwe are now trying to focus on patches to support pci cold migration and revert13:12
lbeliveauthese commits are up for review:13:12
lbeliveau    Allocate PCI devices on migration: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328983/413:12
lbeliveau    Update binding:profile for SR-IOV ports on resize-revert - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347444/13:12
lbeliveau    PCI: Fix network calls order on finish_revert_resize() - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349061/13:12
lbeliveau    Fix drop_move_claim() on revert resize - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/34906013:12
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lbeliveauwe are only focusing on having basic functionnality working, fixes for race conditions will come later13:13
lbeliveauso anybody who has a chance to look at them, that would be great13:13
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lbeliveauanything else for commits up for reviews ?13:13
lbeliveau#topic specs13:14
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lbeliveauanybody wants to discuss about specs ?13:15
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lbeliveau#topic Open discussion13:16
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lbeliveauanything else you guys want to bring on the table ?13:16
lbeliveauI guess not13:17
lbeliveauso thanks guys, we'll talk next week13:17
lbeliveau#endmeeting13:18
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shardy#startmeeting tripleo14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug  2 14:00:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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shardy#topic rollcall14:00
dprincehi14:00
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EmilienMo/14:00
shadowerhey14:00
beagleso/14:00
skramajahello14:00
shardyHi all, who's around?14:00
marioso/ here for first half have call later14:00
d0ugal-o/14:00
ccamachoHello guys! o/14:00
jtomaseko/14:00
saneaxo/14:00
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pabelangermorning14:01
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shardyOk then, let's get started :)14:02
bswartz¬_¬14:02
shardy#topic agenda14:02
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panda\o14:02
shardy#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-meeting-items14:02
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shardy* one off agenda items14:02
shardy* bugs14:02
shardy* Projects releases or stable backports14:02
shardy* CI14:02
shardy* Specs14:02
shardy* open discussion14:02
shardyAnyone have anything to add to the one-off items?14:02
shardyOk, we now have two (thanks bandini!) feel free to add more and we can start14:03
bandini:)14:03
shardy#info  deprecating ServiceNetMap keys?14:03
sshnaidmshardy, added about promotion script as well14:03
shardySo, I've been experimenting with ways to generate things like the $service_ips list, ref https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348974/14:03
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shardysshnaidm: ack, thanks14:04
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shardyAnd one of the barriers is that the keys for ServiceNetMap do not align with the service_name in the service templates14:04
shardyI've got a scary yaql hack in there atm which semi works around it, but ideally I'd like to deprecate the current e.g RabbitMqNetwork14:04
shardyand instead have rabbitmq_network14:05
shardywhere the key must align with service_name14:05
shardyWhat are folks thoughts on that?14:05
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Jokke_o/14:05
shardyclearly, we'll need to maintain a translation (either in mistral or t-h-t) to support the old keys for a transitional period14:05
shardysince this is a very user-visible interface14:05
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shardyI would prefer to do the translation in mistral to simplify t-h-t, but there are upgrade implications we'll need to address there14:06
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dprinceshardy: I'm okay with the approach. When we named the ServiceNetMap keys we didn't realize these would need to be standardized14:06
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shardydprince: Ok, cool - yeah clearly it was unforseen, I'm just trying to figure out the best path forward14:07
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hrybackio/14:07
shardyOk, well unless folks have strong objections, I'll implement a mistral patch and we can continue discussion on the review14:08
dprinceshardy: sounds good to me14:08
d0ugal+114:08
shardyit will depend on getting the mistral based deployments working, which I've been debugging today14:08
mariosshardy: thanks for highlighting that review, i haven't seen it before so hard to comment immediately but i'd like to look at it tomorrow. i'm not clear where service_ips is coming from now but haven't looked long there14:09
shardy#info (bandini) Will just give a short update on HA NG14:09
bandinishardy: from a high-level POV do we plan to implement the upgrades via a mistral workflow (starting from M->N)?14:09
mariosbandini: you mean overcloud upgrade?14:09
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shardymarios: it's a way to auto-generate this mapping https://github.com/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/blob/master/overcloud.yaml#L91114:09
bandinimarios: yes14:09
mariosbandini: not that i've heard of, at least unless i missed it. the major expected change is rework for composable upgrades but that is newton to ocata14:10
dprincebandini: I would like to see us consider this as an option and make it composable14:10
bandinior are we keeping the current multiple manual steps with specialized heat templates around?14:10
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shardyI think we're likely to run out of time for composable upgrades this cycle14:10
bandinidprince, marios: ack, was just curious if anything was decided there already. thanks14:10
shardymy assumption is we'll do it during mitaka14:10
shardysorry ocata :)14:11
mariosbandini: right, my understanding is, mitaka to newton current workflow. newton is where all the things are composable. so newton to ocata is when we have composable upgrades14:11
bandiniocata ;)14:11
shardy-ENOCOFFEE14:11
mariosshardy: heh...14:11
bandiniack got it thanks14:11
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shardybandini: so, NG HA is pretty much ready based on your ML thread?14:11
shardywe just need reviews and testing?14:11
mariosshardy: i think that gives us summit as good place to discuss that.. finally hav ethat discussion i mean bout the composable and how/what/ansible/mistral etc14:11
mariosbut i digress14:11
bandiniso I sent a short HA NG update on the other night. Basically after aodh goes in we should be good to go (patch is extremely tiny at this point)14:12
shardymarios: Yeah, it'll give us some more time to do prototyping and consider the best approach14:12
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bandiniwe had some help with testing from the QE HA folks so in terms of failovers things look fairly solid so far14:12
shardybandini: Ok, sounds good, thanks for the update!14:12
shardywhat state is the aodh patch in?14:13
bandiniso yeah I'd love to merge it sooner rather than later so we have time work out any kinks we have not seen14:13
bandinithe aodh stuff is looking better, we still need to fix one last issue14:13
bandinipradk and I are working on that14:13
bandinithat's all from my side ;)14:13
shardybandini: Ok, thanks, well ping us when it's ready and passing CI, then we can hopefully get it landed14:13
bandinishardy: yes, sir! thanks14:14
shardy#info does promotion script work? (sshnaidm)14:14
shardyso, slagle or dprince maybe you can help with this14:14
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shardyit seems the periodic jobs passed yesterday, but no promote happened for current-tripleo14:14
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shardycan we see the cron job logs to understand why?14:14
slagleyes, i'll check14:15
slaglethis happened last week too14:15
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slagleturned out the mirror server had run out of space, so derekh had to clean some things out14:15
slaglewe may have forgotten to re-enable the cron job after that14:15
shardyOk, hopefully it's another similar issue14:15
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shardylol :)14:15
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shardyOk, thanks, well we can follow up after the meeting on that14:16
sshnaidmslagle, where does it run?14:16
shardysshnaidm: thanks for highlighting the issue14:16
slaglesshnaidm: the mirror server in rh214:16
bnemecLooks like it's commented out in crontab14:16
slagleif you do a nova list, you will see a server called mirror-server14:16
slaglebnemec: ok, so yea, derekh probably forgot to remove that :)14:16
shardyk, sounds like an easy fix :)14:17
shardyAny other one-off items before we move on?14:17
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shardy#topic bugs14:18
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shardy#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+milestone/newton-314:18
shardySo, we've got under a month until n-314:18
shardyso I wanted to ask, can everyone please prioritize reviews to help burn down the 40+ open bugs we've got targetted14:19
shardyas well as the features, obviously14:19
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shardyI was going to ask gfidente about the CI impacting ceph bug, but looks like he's not here14:19
shardyanyone else have an update on that?14:19
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slagleshardy: perhaps we could mark some additional bp's Essential, if they truly are14:20
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slagleto help prioritize14:20
shardyslagle: Yeah, perhaps - tbh I think we really need to deliver all of the high ones14:21
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shardymarios: we discussed breaking down the upgrades one into bugs, vs that one essential blueprint14:22
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shardyand tagging the bugs14:22
shardydid that happen?14:22
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shardyOk, well lets follow up on that later then I guess14:23
mariosshardy: sry too many windows14:24
mariosshardy: i dont recall the tagging bit though for the main n3 blueprint.there have been some delays14:24
shardymarios: that's the only BP we have marked essential, which means we can't release without it14:25
marioswith people pulled for mitaka work14:25
mariosok i will revisit discuss with you offline14:25
shardyso we have to figure out the status of that, and either break it into bugs, or deliver it14:25
shardymarios: ack, thanks!14:25
shardy#topic Projects releases or stable backports14:25
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shardySo, we already discussed n314:25
shardyIt was noticed that we've not done any stable branch releases for a while, so I was going to do that this week14:26
shardybased on a recent periodic job pass14:26
shardydoes anyone have any suggestions re stable release cadence, should we be looking to release more often?14:26
shardyI think that my help folks consuming TripleO e.g via RDO14:27
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* beagles nods14:27
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beaglesas to what is a reasonable cadence... err14:27
* beagles concedes not at all helpful14:27
shardyI'll write a script then we can do it more regularly with minimal overhead14:27
shardyOk anything re releases or backports to raise?14:28
EmilienMshardy: in puppet modules, we try to do stable releases every month or so14:28
Jokke_shardy: I personally like the general idea that every patch worth of backporting should be worth of releasing. So stable releases should be done quite fast after we backport fixes there (obviosly if there is multiple things on flight it makes sense not to release for each of them)14:28
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shardyJokke_: That would be reasonable if we automate it, but if it's human driven probably a periodic release will be easier14:29
shardyEmilienM: ack, maybe we can start doing the same14:29
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shardy#topic CI14:29
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shardyWe talked about the promote problems, does anyone have an update re RH1?14:29
Jokke_shardy: once you get hang of the process, requesting release is really not that big of a job to do ;)14:29
Jokke_even manually14:30
shardyI know derekh is on PTO, can anyone else give a status update?14:30
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shardyJokke_: Ya, it's still not something I want to do every day by hand ;)14:30
bnemecJobs are running on rh114:30
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beaglesoh, I thought that was Jokke_ volunteering14:31
bnemecWith the Ceph issue I don't imagine any have passed though.14:31
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pabelangeryes14:31
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pabelangertripleo-test-cloud-rh1 is online14:31
pabelangerwith 2 max-servers at the moment14:31
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shardySo what issue remain before we can increase the capacity?14:32
pabelangerSo, if jobs are passing under tripleo-test-cloud-rh1, I increase the amount of servers and start to shut off tripleo-test-cloud-rh214:32
pabelangerI just need somebody to say move the jobs14:32
shardysounds like we need to fix the ceph issue and get some green jobs before moving anything14:32
bnemecCan we leave rh2 online?  Based on some discussion yesterday it sounds like we may be keeping that a little longer.14:32
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slaglealso wanted to mention it looks like my fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1608226 did not work in rh214:33
openstackLaunchpad bug 1608226 in tripleo "Ci: new ntp-wait command in devstack-gate hangs for 100 minutes which breaks jobs" [Critical,New] - Assigned to Sagi (Sergey) Shnaidman (sshnaidm)14:33
gfidenteshardy the ceph issue should be sorted, we had master branch passing in a previous patchset but were hitting a different issue for the liberty/mitaka branches14:33
pabelangerlooking at the stuff derekh added, we upped the limited to 50 servers in tripleo-test-cloud-rh114:33
slagleso all CI jobs on rh2 are stalling for 10 minutes waiting for ntp14:33
gfidenteso I've updated one of the submissions and we're now waiting for the new results14:33
shardyslagle: ouch :(14:33
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shardygfidente: ack, thanks for the update14:34
pabelangerright, tripleo-test-cloud-rh1 doesn't have the ntp-wait issue14:34
pabelangerappears we don't have something upstream filtering firewalls14:34
shardyOk, so more investigation required then14:35
shardythanks for the update all14:35
shardyAnything else re CI - weshay got anything to mention re the 3rd party jobs?14:36
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weshayshardy, I sent an update.. we have upgrade 3rd party and basic jobs enabled, we've been watching those to make sure they are running consistently.14:37
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weshayI believe apetrich is hitting issues w/ the liberty -> mitaka upgrade and has been pushing issues along14:37
shardyweshay: Ok, what's the status of the upgrade job, did we get it passing?14:37
shardyOk, can we run mitaka->newton upgrades on upstream patches via an experimental job?14:38
weshayliberty->mitaka fails apetrich have a bug? mitaka -> mitaka is working, mitaka -> master is failing on the overcloud14:38
apetrichshardy, nope.14:38
shardyapetrich: I mean, can we run it, let it fail and see why14:38
weshayadarazs, has not yet started on a RHEL based third party job afaik14:39
apetrichshardy, https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/160886714:39
openstackLaunchpad bug 1608867 in tripleo "Upgrade liberty to mitaka fails" [Undecided,New]14:39
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apetrichshardy, bandini was helping me to see if we can find anything.14:39
shardyOk, the reason for my question is we just said mitaka->master upgrades was our #1 priority for this cycle14:39
adarazsweshay: no, not done anything to the RHEL job yet, we need to solve the log collection.14:40
shardyso we need a way to test it asap :)14:40
EmilienMjust a note about CI, I'm working on a CI job to test undercloud upgrade from mitaka -> newton14:40
EmilienMyou can follow the work here: https://review.openstack.org/34699514:40
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shardyEmilienM: ack, that will be useful as a first step, thanks14:40
bnemecOn that note: https://review.openstack.org/34973714:40
bnemecWe need to decide _how_ we're going to handle undercloud upgrades.14:41
EmilienMbnemec: oh wow14:41
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EmilienMbnemec: I'll review it today14:41
shardy#topic specs14:41
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* bnemec got started early14:41
shardysince we're now talking about specs :)14:41
shardyI wanted to point out, we've only landed one spec for newton14:41
shardyand it's nearly the end of the cycle14:42
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shardyhow can we make the spec process work better for us and encourage more reviews?14:42
shardyOr, should we instead adopt e.g spec-lite bugs from ocata?14:42
bnemecIs the problem the spec process or the fact that we had some huge pieces of work this cycle that are taking basically the whole six months and are eating up a ton of core reviewer time?14:43
shardyI'd like to see us iterate much faster and not get bogged down for months in detailed review when a spec is supposed to be direction not a detailed design document14:43
shardybnemec: the entire team has been overloaded I think, I'm not complaining, just recognising the current process isn't working14:44
shardyis it realistic to expect more core reviewer time for specs next cycle, or is this a recurring problem?14:44
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bnemecI would think next cycle will be somewhat less of a scramble, with composable stuff and the API implemented.14:45
bnemecOf course, I say this every cycle. :-)14:45
shardylol14:45
* shardy will believe it when it happens :D14:46
shardyOk, well lets see how it goes14:46
bnemecAt least this cycle everyone was swamped with new things, not backporting to old releases.14:46
dprincebnemec: oh we've got other ideas that'll keep us busy I think14:46
slaglei'm not sure i fully grasp the spec-lite process14:46
shardyfor now, please everybody review specs so we can land those we expect to deliver before the release branches :)14:46
slagleit seems it's just specs with less detail14:46
slaglewhich i'd be fine with14:46
slaglejust put less implementation details into specs...just define a direction14:46
shardyslagle: basically you just raise a bug, with a description of the change, then tag it spec-lite14:47
bnemecAnd basically we don't review it?14:47
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bnemecBugs are not a good medium for design collaboration.14:47
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shardyslagle: Yeah, I think it's basically a spec without the chance for 4 months of review iterations, but with a means to comment14:47
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slagleshardy: ok, i thought glance was whom had defined this. and you also have to still propose a "lite" spec to glance-specs14:47
shardy#link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/glance-specs/specs/lite-specs.html14:48
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shardyslagle: Ah, that's true, I evidently misinterpreted it somewhat14:48
bnemecPersonally I'd rather use full specs and just call people out if they're stuck in the implementation detail weeds.14:48
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shardyhttp://docs.openstack.org/developer/glance/contributing/blueprints.html14:49
shardybnemec: Ok, I'm fine with sticking with them, but we must iterate faster14:49
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shardye.g it's pointeless if we're still in nitpick review phase when the implementation is landing or landed14:49
paramiteok, regarding the conversation here, it seems that there is no chance avail. monitoring spec will get some attention, right?14:50
Jokke_so we moved away from spec bugs in glance14:50
slagleparamite: i've given it attention14:50
Jokke_might be lack of doc update14:50
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shardyparamite: well, we're trying to figure out how to give it (and others) attention14:50
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paramiteslagle, ah nice, thanks!14:50
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shardyJokke_: Ok, what was the reason, they didn't work out?14:51
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shardyI personally would prefer all features to be blueprints, but not if we always stall at the blueprint review phase14:51
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shardymakes it easier from a tracking perspective14:51
bnemecTo a large extent I think this is a case of "software design is hard".14:52
bnemecAnd knowing how detailed to make your design is also hard.14:52
slagleyea, i definitely like seeing a bp for all features14:52
slaglebut for some reason you can't really review bp's14:52
slagleno way to comment, etc14:52
bnemecThat's why the spec process came about.14:52
shardybnemec: Yeah, but I guess the expecation I'm trying to set is that we don't need to do detailed design in specs14:52
shardythat's what code review iterations are for14:53
slagleyes, so let's just have less detail in specs :)14:53
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shardyOk then, lets do that :)14:53
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bnemecMaybe we could do a spec retrospective?14:53
dprincethe composable services spec was a good example. A too large blueprint that never landed because it never made everyone happy about the details14:53
bnemecLook back at the specs we worked on this cycle and consider whether the scope was too large, too small, or just right.14:54
shardybnemec: that's a good idea, and during next cycle we could have spec review sprints (e.g of a couple of hours) periodically?14:54
bnemecIt would be good if we had some examples of specs that were written at the appropriate level to point people at as an example.14:54
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Jokke_shardy: we effectively wanted all the new features being documented in single place14:55
shardy#topic open discussion14:55
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bnemecshardy: Yeah, review sprints can be helpful if you can get people to participate.14:55
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shardyJokke_: Ok, that's interesting - similar to the preferences expressed here for all features to be blueprints14:55
shardysounds like we have some good ideas for optimizations going into next cycle, thanks all14:55
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shardybnemec: maybe I should be offering free beer ;)14:56
shardyAnyone have anything else to raise this week?14:56
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shardyWe set the topic for the deep dive:14:56
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shardyhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-deep-dive-topics14:56
Jokke_shardy: having bugs as blueprints did not work out well doing reviews, release documentation etc. It was just too confusing14:56
shardyslagle and I will cover some "undercloud under the hood" content14:57
* Jokke_ has horrible lag on the connection atm. sorry for that14:57
shardyJokke_: ack, thanks14:57
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shardyActually that reminds me, we should consider using reno14:57
bnemec+114:57
bnemecIt's been on my todo list for a while to set that up.14:57
Jokke_shardy: +114:57
shardyOk, we could add the reno output into t-h-t as a starting point14:58
Jokke_again experience from Glance world. It needs proactivity, a lot of it14:58
Jokke_and if reviewers don't drop their -s there those renos will just not be made14:58
pabelangerI just pushed up a patch to start removing private infrastructure from tripleo-ci, moving image uploads to tarballs.o.o: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350061/14:59
dprinceI'm game for reno14:59
pabelangerwouldn't mind some help in that effort14:59
* bnemec is always happy to -1 ;-)14:59
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shardyOk, out of time, thanks all!15:00
shardy#endmeeting15:00
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hongbinThanks for joining the meeting muralia_ tonanhngo Drago strigazi dane_leblanc_ rpothier16:01
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eghoboo/16:02
adrian_ottoAdrian Otto16:02
hongbin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda_for_2016-08-02_1600_UTC Today's agenda16:02
hongbinAnything needs to be added to the agenda?16:02
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hongbin#topic Announcements16:02
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hongbin1. Welcome Spyros Trigazis to join the Magnum core team16:02
hongbin#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/100455.html16:02
* adrian_otto applause16:02
muralia_woohoo! congrats16:03
DragoCongrats strigazi!16:03
adrian_ottowell deserved16:03
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strigaziThanks you :)16:03
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yatinCongrats strigazi16:03
rajiv__Congrats strigazi16:03
hongbinThanks strigazi for your significant contribution16:03
tonanhngoCongrats Spyros!16:03
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hongbin2. Vote for mascot ended. The team mascot is sharp.16:04
hongbin#link http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_15e176081cd9d2b116:04
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hongbinI sent the choice to the OpenStack foundation16:04
hongbinIf no other team picked this mascot, we will get it16:04
adrian_ottohongbin: did we also send waves as an alternate?16:04
adrian_ottooh, ok16:04
hongbinyes16:04
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hongbin#topic Review Action Items16:05
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hongbinNone16:05
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hongbin#topic Essential Blueprints Review16:05
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hongbin1. Support baremetal container clusters (strigazi)16:05
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/magnum-baremetal-full-support16:05
hongbinstrigazi: ^^16:05
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strigaziNot much this week, we are looking into creating a CI for testing magnum and ironic on our infra16:06
strigaziwe might open it for everyone if it goes well16:06
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strigaziwith devstack vms with more memory16:07
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hongbinstrigazi: How about the CI with OpenStack infra?16:07
strigaziThat's it, last week we did some benchmarks for magnum with rally. I'll tell you on the midcycle16:07
strigazihongbin: what do you mean?16:08
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hongbinstrigazi: Maybe to clarify, are you setting up a third-party CI or a pipeline in OpenStack Infra16:08
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strigazithird-party CI like in other projects, but it's not final16:09
strigaziin openstack infra it seems that we have memory limitations16:10
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hongbinstrigazi: We cannot work around the memory limitation?16:10
strigaziwe'll try. In one of the tests the vm was swapping16:11
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hongbinI see16:11
hongbinThanks strigazi for working on this16:12
hongbinAny question for strigazi ?16:12
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hongbin2. Magnum User Guide for Cloud Operator (tango)16:12
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/user-guide16:13
hongbintonanhngo: ^^16:13
tonanhngoThe TLS section was merged.16:13
tonanhngoThe bay section is still under review16:13
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tonanhngoI don't have new section today16:14
hongbintonanhngo: ack. anything else?16:15
tonanhngoThanks to Spyros and Ricardo for great feedback16:16
strigazihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/340670/3/doc/source/userguide.rst@32716:16
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strigazitonanhngo: Do you think that is unecessary? For example last week we were creating bays in parralel, with different requests of course16:17
tonanhngoNot sure what you mean16:18
strigaziA user doesn't have to wait for a bay to have status CREATE_COMPLETE16:19
tonanhngoah ok, I will update that part16:19
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tonanhngoThanks for the observation16:20
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strigazithanks16:20
hongbinThanks tonanhngo16:20
hongbin3. COE Bay Drivers (jamie_h, muralia)16:20
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/bay-drivers16:20
hongbinmuralia_: ^^16:20
muralia_I don't have any updates since last week. i've been on vacation for a few days and just got back. I will continue working on my patch16:21
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strigaziI have a question for everyone16:21
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strigaziAre we going to remove the replication controller object?16:21
muralia_yes we should.16:22
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strigaziok, I'm almost tehre16:22
strigaziok, I'm almost there16:22
strigazithanks16:22
hongbinThanks muralia_ . Any other question?16:22
hongbin#topic Kuryr Integration Update (tango)16:23
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hongbintonanhngo: ^^16:23
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tonanhngoWe hit a little snag last week.  The Kuryr image is broken because it got rebuilt using the refactored repos, which are not complete16:24
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tonanhngoI told the Kuryr team, they will build and tag a stable image16:25
adrian_ottotonanhngo: that's one of our images, or something made by the Kuryr team?16:25
tonanhngoIt's by Kuryr16:25
adrian_ottoI see16:25
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hongbinThanks tonanhngo . Anything else?16:26
tonanhngoThat's all for now16:27
hongbinThanks16:27
hongbin#topic Other blueprints/Bugs/Reviews/Ideas16:27
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hongbin1. Midcycle topics16:27
hongbin#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-newton-midcycle-topics16:27
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hongbinI put all the topics to the agenda16:28
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hongbinThere are three slots left, which we can use to discuss alternative topics16:28
hongbinI invited strigazi to give a presentation at the opening16:28
hongbinstrigazi: will share the experience of using Magnum at his group16:29
strigaziOne more topic: Add local (configurable) docker registry16:29
hongbinAt the end of the first day, we could plan a team event (drinks or dinner or others)16:29
hongbinstrigazi: ack. feel free to add it to the etherpad16:30
strigaziadded16:30
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DragoGreat to see the agenda filled out. Excited to have everyone here.16:30
hongbinmuralia_: adrian_otto Do you have any arrangement for a team event (drinks? dinner?)16:30
rochaportoenjoy, pity i can't make it but next time :)16:30
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muralia_yes, we were thinking about drinks at the rackspace office friday evening16:31
adrian_ottohongbin: lets get that discussion opened with the midcycle attendees16:31
hongbinok16:31
adrian_ottothursday evening there is a community meetup16:31
adrian_ottoall team members are welcome, and encouraged to attend16:32
hongbinlink to the meetup?16:32
muralia_http://www.meetup.com/Docker-Austin/events/232067917/16:32
hongbinAwesome16:32
muralia_weird how out mid-cycles fall on docker meetup days16:32
muralia_our*16:32
strigazi:)16:32
adrian_otto#link http://www.meetup.com/Docker-Austin/events/232067917/16:32
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hongbinAny other question / comment for the midcycle?16:33
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hongbin2. Microversioning implementation16:34
hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343060/16:34
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muralia_jvgrant: ^16:35
hongbinThe patch above is a proposal to implement a decorator for specifying microversion16:35
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hongbinEli Qiao gave a -2 with comments that he don't like the decrorator approach16:35
jvgrantthis provides a common framework and style versioning,16:35
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jvgrantcurrently it would be checking and making changes within each api method16:36
jvgrantthis really is just providing a more structured versioning style16:36
jvgrantit based on Nova's way of doing it using a decorator16:37
muralia_yes, i prefer the decorator approach for versioning. we'll be using it a lot more when we implement lifecycle operations etc.16:37
adrian_ottoI also prefer the decorators.16:37
Drago+1 decorators16:38
hongbinme as well16:38
vijendar+1 decorators approach16:38
hongbinAny opposing point of view?16:38
adrian_ottois Eli in attendance today?16:38
hongbineliqiao: ^^16:38
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akhilakishore+1 decorators approach16:38
hongbinI guess he is offline since it is late everning for him16:38
jvgranti think Eli's main concern was the additional complexity16:38
adrian_ottowell he used a -2 vote, which we need to consider carefully16:39
adrian_ottoI'm reluctant to support an alternate decision without a conversation about it16:39
adrian_ottoeven though I don't agree with him16:39
hongbinI will ping him later for discussing it further16:40
adrian_ottothanks hongbin16:40
jvgrantthanks hongbin16:40
hongbin#action hongbin discuss with eliqiao for the microversion implementation16:40
DragoDoes anyone know if he will be at the midcycle?16:40
hongbinNo, he won't16:40
hongbinHe didn't sign the event.16:40
hongbinand flighting from China to US is $$$16:41
tonanhngocan we arrange a conference call at a convenient time for him?16:41
hongbinI guess it is very hard for him to get approval16:41
adrian_ottoI think we all can relate. Okay, let's do our best to consider his POV.16:42
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hongbinOK. Then, I can talk to him to schedule a call16:42
hongbinAnything else for this topic?16:43
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hongbin#topic Open Discussion16:44
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hongbinIf nothing else to discuss, let's end the meeting a bit earlier16:45
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rochaportoi have a question on the param names for the client16:45
rochaportowith all the -id16:45
rochaportothere's a patch to drop it in external-network-id. could we do it for all? it's confusing16:45
rochaportomaybe adding new ones and flagging the old ones as deprecated16:46
rochaportoor else we do it for the osc only16:46
hongbinI think flagging the old ones as deprecated is the correct approach16:46
hongbinJust renaming will break backward-compatibility16:46
rochaportosure16:47
adrian_ottorochaporto: is your concern that fact that some attributes contain the string "-id" and others do not?16:47
rochaportoyes, and the -id itself being there16:48
rochaportogiven that it can take the name too16:48
hongbinDefinitely the *-id suffix should be removed16:49
adrian_ottoearly on it only accepted an id16:49
yatin@rochaporto are your taliking about: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-magnumclient/+bug/159939316:49
openstackLaunchpad bug 1599393 in python-magnumclient "magnum baymodel-create optional parameter(external_network_id) needs update" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to yatin (yatinkarel)16:49
adrian_ottowe added the code to accept names as a convenience a bit later16:49
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tonanhngoThis should improve the user experience16:49
adrian_ottook, the issue is clear to me now, thanks.16:49
rochaportoyatin: yes, but same is true for other params16:49
rochaportosmall thing, but might as well get it done16:50
yatinYes, i commented on the bug itself16:50
hongbinyatin: Are you the preson who working on fixing the bug?16:50
yatinYes16:50
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hongbinyatin: Do you have enough instruction on how to proceed ?16:51
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hongbinyatin: For example, how to flag an attribute as deprecated, and add the new one ....16:52
yatinhongbin: no, but i will try to find out.16:52
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yatinif you approve this16:53
hongbinyatin: ok. ping the #openstack-containers if you need help16:53
hongbinyatin: Thanks for volunteering to fix this bug16:53
yatinOk16:53
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rochaportothanks :) i'll look into other params in parallel16:54
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hongbinAll, thanks for joining the meeting today. The Magnum midcyle will hold at this Thursday & Friday. Hope to see you all there16:55
hongbin#endmeeting16:55
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vakovalchuk#startmeeting murano17:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Aug  2 17:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is vakovalchuk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'murano'17:00
vakovalchuk#topic rollcall17:00
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vakovalchuko/17:00
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vakovalchukhi everyone. it's rollcall now...17:01
vakovalchukanyone?17:01
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ddovbiio/17:01
lexpluao/17:02
osh\o/17:02
lexplua\\o// - Shrike17:02
vakovalchukkzaitsev_mb is still having his rest17:02
vakovalchukso I'm his replacement for today17:02
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vakovalchukdon't put dislikes right away17:02
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vakovalchukok, I guess we haven't any action items from previous meeting17:03
vakovalchuk#topic Backports17:03
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vakovalchuklist of a few bugfixes that are candidates for backporting is in its usual place17:04
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vakovalchuk#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-stable-backports17:04
vakovalchukI think we can look at at it right away17:04
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vakovalchukit's only murano project there, and I'm not sure that even one item deserves to be backported or it makes sence to do it17:05
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vakovalchuklooks like we had lived happily without this fixes until we started to make new features and they came up17:06
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vakovalchukyou can leave your mentions here, on etherpad or in the bugs comments17:07
vakovalchukI'll wait for 3-5 minutes for any opinions17:07
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StanLagungoing to do the packport for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341305/ as well17:09
StanLagunThere is at least one custmer who's facing it in mitaka17:09
vakovalchukgood17:09
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vakovalchukso can we agree now to backport just this one fix?17:10
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vakovalchukI think we do =) Fell free to leave comments to other fixes later, I'm gonna make one cherry-pick tomorrow17:12
vakovalchuk*feel17:12
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vakovalchuk#agreed make backport of the fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341305 to stable/mitaka17:12
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StanLagun:)17:12
vakovalchukthe only topic on the agenda remaining is ...17:13
vakovalchuk#topic Open Discussion17:13
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vakovalchukfinally we can release all our thoughta from the last week!17:13
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vakovalchukI have one question17:15
vakovalchukwe have one nasty bug in horizon/murano-dashboard17:15
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vakovalchukit should be fixed in horizon by this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344871/17:16
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vakovalchukbut for some reason it has stuck unfinished17:16
StanLagunrelease the kraken :) What I wanted to say is that during last week we made a significant number of changes to the DSL code and there are 3 more bugs on review that also do DSL refactoring and more to come. Please pay special attention to them as they has a big impact on everything17:16
vakovalchukI personally use other temporary solution made by zhurong17:16
vakovalchuk#link https://review.openstack.org/34261917:16
vakovalchukbut it is -1-d by horizon team17:17
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StanLagunsame for me17:17
vakovalchukmaybe we can express our need on the horizon meeting tomorrow17:17
vakovalchukit will take place at 20:00 UTC if I'm not mistaken17:18
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vakovalchukI'll put some #link about StanLagun just said: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349225/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341961/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349222/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346549/17:22
vakovalchukit is not all of them maybe17:22
vakovalchukwe also have an interesting situation with this patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346669/17:24
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vakovalchukits author keeps asking us to review it17:24
vakovalchukregardless of 2 -1s from the cores17:25
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vakovalchukwe had some concerns due to this thread: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LegalIssuesFAQ#Copyright_Headers17:25
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vakovalchukthe argument of the author is that such changes are merged to other projects17:26
vakovalchukwell, ok, I guess it's up to our cores to change their mind or not :) let's move on, sorry17:26
vakovalchukit nobody has any other issues, we can end the meeting in 10 minutes or so17:27
vakovalchuk*if17:27
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vakovalchukpardon, the thread is actually there: #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099939.html17:28
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vakovalchukaw, so does anyone volunteer to go to the horizon meeting tomorrow  or ask them about the bug somehow?17:33
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vakovalchukok, I guess I can do that :)17:35
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vakovalchuk#action vakovalchuk Talk to the horizon team to finish the bugfix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344871/17:36
vakovalchukall right, thanks everyone for attending, till the next week17:37
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vakovalchuk#endmeeting murano17:37
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