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| dirk | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 11 13:00:57 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dirk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:01 |
| dirk | toabctl, dirk, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jruzicka, number80: ping | 13:01 |
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| toabctl | I'm in another meeting currently. sorry | 13:01 |
| number80 | o/ | 13:01 |
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| dirk | #chair number80 IgorYozhikov | 13:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov dirk number80 | 13:01 |
| dirk | #topic roll call | 13:02 |
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| number80 | #chair jpena | 13:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov dirk jpena number80 | 13:02 |
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| dirk | anyone from mirantis there? | 13:03 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: ? | 13:04 |
| IgorYozhikov | o/ | 13:04 |
| dirk | ah, hey :) | 13:04 |
| IgorYozhikov | hi :) | 13:04 |
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| dirk | any topics to add to | 13:06 |
| dirk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:06 |
| dirk | otherwise we start with the agenda | 13:06 |
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| dirk | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349069/ | 13:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349069/ (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:07 | |
| dirk | I'll just put this one first | 13:07 |
| dirk | as it is a short one | 13:07 |
| dirk | this is about the outcome of the cross project goal setting discussion (ref mailing list discussion) | 13:08 |
| dirk | I've been invited to review the proposal | 13:08 |
| dirk | everyone else here please feel invited to review it as well | 13:08 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk, it is huge change. As I remember right we've been discussing it in Tokyo | 13:09 |
| number80 | ack | 13:09 |
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| number80 | zigo++ | 13:10 |
| zigo | number80: o/ | 13:10 |
| number80 | I haven't seen his last comment on that discussion :) | 13:10 |
| number80 | (about project not supporting latest python) | 13:10 |
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| zigo | number80: FYI, we're up to speed. I'm currently preparing the Gerrit repo to start packaging upstream. All of our environment is working! :) | 13:11 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: sure | 13:11 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk, thanx for updates | 13:12 |
| dirk | zigo: is it documented somewhere? | 13:12 |
| dirk | zigo: we'd like to copy that for rpm packaging I guess | 13:12 |
| zigo | dirk: Not before I have all repo uploaded. | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | so it looks like we need to be prepared 4 py3 | 13:12 |
| zigo | dirk: I don't think there's much to copy, the sbuild thing is very Debian centric. | 13:13 |
| IgorYozhikov | and might be it will require to introduce py3 support in j2 templates | 13:13 |
| zigo | The reprepro thing too. | 13:13 |
| IgorYozhikov | with something like py3-2pkg() | 13:14 |
| zigo | pabelanger was super helpful. | 13:14 |
| zigo | Big up to him! | 13:14 |
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| number80 | IgorYozhikov: globally python3 support will require advanced spec file parsing | 13:15 |
| IgorYozhikov | number80, I understand this | 13:15 |
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| dirk | zigo: well, the concepts could be copied | 13:16 |
| dirk | anyway | 13:16 |
| dirk | we're side tracking | 13:16 |
| dirk | lets add that as a topic under the open discussion later | 13:16 |
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| dirk | number80: yep, but we agree we need to do that, right? so we need to define blue prints / features for being able to handle python 3.5 spec file packages going forward | 13:16 |
| number80 | #info everyone review cross project goals setting proposal | 13:16 |
| number80 | dirk: yes, it's not difficult but if renderspec has no knowledge of subpackage blocks, it'll be difficult | 13:17 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, agree, and where are we going to publish BP? | 13:17 |
| IgorYozhikov | to LP? | 13:17 |
| * number80 is fine with that | 13:17 | |
| IgorYozhikov | https://launchpad.net/rpm-packaging | 13:18 |
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| dirk | number80: there are a couple of variants | 13:19 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: no idea, I ghink we could also create a -specs git repo | 13:19 |
| dirk | I would actually prefer that | 13:19 |
| number80 | variants? | 13:19 |
| number80 | like per each python3 stack supported or implementation strategies? | 13:20 |
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| dirk | different implementation strategies on how to enable pthon3/2 side building | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, yes it could be -specs repo, just want to say that LP already have everything for that :) | 13:21 |
| dirk | we could have two j2 templates, one for python2 / 3 (as the most stupid implementation) | 13:21 |
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| number80 | right, this can be implemented as policies but still requires spec file proper parsing | 13:21 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, do you mean py2-foo.spec.j2 & py3-foo.spec.j2 ? | 13:22 |
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| number80 | there | 13:22 |
| IgorYozhikov | and run rendering with py2 and py3 renderspecs ? | 13:22 |
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| number80 | 's not much difference to have different specs | 13:22 |
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| dirk | should we create an etherpad about this? | 13:23 |
| number80 | +1 good start | 13:23 |
| IgorYozhikov | yep | 13:23 |
| dirk | I currently have no clue about complexities regarding common py2/py3 packaging so I'd need someone with more experience to start on that | 13:23 |
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| number80 | I'll give it a shot | 13:24 |
| IgorYozhikov | I believe that we and fedora already building py3 rpms | 13:24 |
| dirk | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging-python3-renderspec | 13:24 |
| dirk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging-python3-renderspec | 13:24 |
| IgorYozhikov | I meant mirantis | 13:24 |
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| dirk | number80: would you start writing some thoughts there? | 13:28 |
| dirk | can we move on topics? | 13:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | moving next || brainstorming etherpad? | 13:28 |
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| dirk | number80: are you okay with taking the action item to start with the etherpad? | 13:31 |
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| * dirk needs to move on as he has a hard stop | 13:32 | |
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| dirk | #action dirk ping people for https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging-python3-renderspec | 13:32 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk, I can write some thoughts about py3 | 13:33 |
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| IgorYozhikov | and ping number80 4 review || advices | 13:34 |
| number80 | tes | 13:34 |
| number80 | #action number80 starts the the python3 packaging etherpad | 13:35 |
| dirk | ok, thanks | 13:35 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: you're welcome to help :) | 13:35 |
| IgorYozhikov | sure | 13:35 |
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| dirk | #topic Deps ordering (IgorYozhikov) | 13:35 |
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| IgorYozhikov | yes, this was postponed from last meeting due absence of people | 13:36 |
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| IgorYozhikov | was discussed which type ordering is better to be used | 13:36 |
| IgorYozhikov | alphabetical || as in requiremetns file | 13:37 |
| IgorYozhikov | since this topic was raised, want to clarify and write in wiki | 13:38 |
| dirk | you mean in the spec file? | 13:38 |
| dirk | sorry, the spec.j2 template? | 13:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes | 13:38 |
| dirk | well, thats what the lint / spec-cleaner verfies | 13:38 |
| dirk | it requires alphabetical on the package names | 13:39 |
| IgorYozhikov | topic: - ordering of (Build)Requires from last meeting | 13:39 |
| dirk | so you currently can not create a spec file with dfiferent ordering.. | 13:39 |
| dirk | are you asking to change that? whats the advantage? | 13:39 |
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| IgorYozhikov | no, I do not asking about changing it | 13:39 |
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| IgorYozhikov | just clarifying | 13:40 |
| IgorYozhikov | it is sometime confusing because pypi name could be differ from resulting package name | 13:41 |
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| dirk | yes | 13:41 |
| IgorYozhikov | and linter job will be marked as failed | 13:41 |
| dirk | it is a bit confusing right now | 13:41 |
| dirk | I hope it will not become a problem :/ | 13:41 |
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| dirk | basically we're verifying on the suse naming schema, which is python-$pypi name, so it is effectively ordering on $pypi name | 13:41 |
| dirk | any concerns about that? | 13:42 |
| IgorYozhikov | not now, i learned how to read linter logs :) so I'll handle it | 13:42 |
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| IgorYozhikov | let's move next | 13:43 |
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| dirk | can we move to open floor? | 13:44 |
| dirk | #topic open floor | 13:44 |
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| jpena | I'd like to have some background on https://review.openstack.org/343343 | 13:44 |
| jpena | (openstacksdk rename to python-openstacksdk) | 13:44 |
| * dirk too | 13:45 | |
| jpena | what is the naming convention? pypi or openstack project name? | 13:45 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I believe pypi | 13:46 |
| number80 | the thing is, it should be the same but some projects change name in pypi | 13:46 |
| number80 | here we have to deal with a rename | 13:46 |
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| jpena | keystoneauth1 is in a similar situation, btw | 13:47 |
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| dirk | yeah | 13:47 |
| dirk | imho we should follow pypi nameing schema | 13:48 |
| number80 | well, why not | 13:49 |
| jpena | I can adapt DLRN to that, so we can live with pypi naming schema | 13:49 |
| IgorYozhikov | jpenas commit found bug in our CI and it is already fixed. | 13:49 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I'm about 'rename of openstacksdk' | 13:50 |
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| IgorYozhikov | so, rename is not necessary and could be abandoned, right? | 13:51 |
| jpena | based on the discussion, yes | 13:51 |
| jpena | number80? ^^ | 13:51 |
| dirk | wfm | 13:52 |
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| dirk | anything else | 13:54 |
| dirk | can we do the reviews later? | 13:54 |
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| jpena | ok for me | 13:55 |
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| IgorYozhikov | ok | 13:56 |
| dirk | thanks | 13:56 |
| dirk | #endmeeting | 13:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 11 13:56:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-08-11-13.00.html | 13:56 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-08-11-13.00.txt | 13:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-08-11-13.00.log.html | 13:56 |
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| daemontool | o/ | 14:01 |
| szaher | daemontool: we are going to start now :) | 14:01 |
| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352902/1 | 14:01 |
| ddieterly | o/ | 14:01 |
| m3m0 | #startmeeting freezer | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 11 14:01:55 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is m3m0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:02 |
| yangyape_ | hello | 14:02 |
| timothyb89 | hello all | 14:02 |
| szaher | Hey m3m0 | 14:02 |
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| szaher | timothyb89: Hi Tim | 14:02 |
| ddieterly | hell | 14:02 |
| ddieterly | o | 14:02 |
| szaher | ddieterly: Hey Deklan | 14:02 |
| ddieterly | hi | 14:02 |
| szaher | are you back ? | 14:02 |
| ddieterly | yes | 14:02 |
| domhnallw | o/ | 14:02 |
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| m3m0 | ok let's start | 14:04 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:04 |
| m3m0 | #topic propose yangyapeng as core | 14:05 |
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| daemontool | +1 | 14:05 |
| ddieterly | +1 | 14:05 |
| daemontool | yangyape_, is always on the first line, giving support | 14:05 |
| daemontool | providing information | 14:05 |
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| daemontool | contributing | 14:05 |
| m3m0 | IMHO this should be done soon but we need to wait until slashme comes back from holidays | 14:05 |
| daemontool | reviewing | 14:05 |
| szaher | +1 :) | 14:05 |
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| daemontool | ok | 14:05 |
| m3m0 | I think he is the one with superpowers to promote someone | 14:06 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:06 |
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| m3m0 | yangyapeng: are you here? | 14:06 |
| yangyape_ | thank you very much :) | 14:06 |
| * domhnallw is picturing slashme with a cape... it's not working. | 14:06 | |
| yangyape_ | yeah | 14:06 |
| m3m0 | yangyape_: you deserve it :) | 14:06 |
| yangyape_ | thank you thank you | 14:06 |
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| m3m0 | we just need to wait for the PTL to come back and send an email to the mailing list | 14:07 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:07 |
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| daemontool | haha | 14:07 |
| daemontool | good | 14:07 |
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| m3m0 | it's a vote, subscribe to the openstack dev mailing list | 14:07 |
| daemontool | next? | 14:07 |
| m3m0 | yes | 14:07 |
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| m3m0 | #topic BaaS status | 14:08 |
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| daemontool | is there any baas feature that is currently being implemented? | 14:08 |
| m3m0 | this is in the process to be merge | 14:08 |
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| m3m0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335274/ | 14:08 |
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| m3m0 | this will allow us to have backup as a service | 14:09 |
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| m3m0 | and with the work on cinder and nova that the team at china has been doing we should be good to go | 14:09 |
| daemontool | brilliant | 14:09 |
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| daemontool | ok | 14:10 |
| m3m0 | so, as always documenation improvements needs to be made to promote this | 14:10 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:10 |
| m3m0 | #action improve docs for BaaS | 14:10 |
| m3m0 | who wants to take ownership of this? | 14:11 |
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| daemontool | I think the first doc | 14:11 |
| daemontool | version should be probably written | 14:11 |
| daemontool | by who provide the feature | 14:11 |
| daemontool | then we can improve | 14:11 |
| domhnallw | Makes a lot of sense. | 14:12 |
| m3m0 | szaher: you are on now :) | 14:12 |
| szaher | :) | 14:12 |
| m3m0 | then can we move forward? or is there anything else here? | 14:13 |
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| m3m0 | I'll take that as a yes | 14:15 |
| m3m0 | #topic agent refactoring | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agent refactoring (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:15 | |
| daemontool | engine refactoring_ | 14:15 |
| daemontool | ? | 14:15 |
| szaher | Yes | 14:15 |
| daemontool | so I can work 1 week per month | 14:15 |
| m3m0 | the plug in layers | 14:15 |
| daemontool | anyone is working on this_ | 14:15 |
| daemontool | ? | 14:15 |
| szaher | Eldar initiated a patch for this and I am following up | 14:16 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:16 |
| daemontool | let me know :) | 14:16 |
| daemontool | I remember | 14:16 |
| szaher | daemontool: Take a look here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319182/ | 14:16 |
| daemontool | there's also a review | 14:16 |
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| szaher | it has been their since May | 14:17 |
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| szaher | To make things clear THIS WILL BREAK BACKWARD COMPATIBILITY | 14:17 |
| daemontool | for metadata | 14:17 |
| daemontool | ah ok | 14:17 |
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| ddieterly | szaher are we planning on creating an upgrade script to migrate data? | 14:18 |
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| szaher | #info freezer agent refactoring is going to break backward compatibility #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319182/ | 14:18 |
| szaher | ddieterly: Not yet as we didn't merge this patch | 14:18 |
| ddieterly | i'm wondering about hos 5.0 which is based on newton and supports being upgraded from hos 4.0 | 14:20 |
| m3m0 | is it possible to enable s3 as a storage backend? | 14:20 |
| m3m0 | (unrelated question) | 14:20 |
| daemontool | 2 customers asked me about that | 14:20 |
| szaher | when we complete the refactoring we can add this as an storage backend | 14:20 |
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| m3m0 | any more updates on this topic? | 14:24 |
| daemontool | not sure | 14:24 |
| daemontool | I think the refactoring | 14:24 |
| daemontool | is done for | 14:24 |
| daemontool | engine, back end and snapshots? | 14:25 |
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| daemontool | eash one is probably independent_ | 14:25 |
| daemontool | ? | 14:25 |
| m3m0 | yes, basically every aspect of the agent | 14:25 |
| m3m0 | eash? | 14:26 |
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| m3m0 | oooook I think I misunderstood the question | 14:26 |
| daemontool | yes I think it is delivered by multiple | 14:26 |
| daemontool | reviews right_ | 14:26 |
| daemontool | ? | 14:26 |
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| m3m0 | szaher should know more about this | 14:27 |
| m3m0 | status and reviews for it | 14:27 |
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| m3m0 | mmmm no? | 14:28 |
| m3m0 | let's move this topic for next week then | 14:28 |
| m3m0 | moving forward | 14:29 |
| m3m0 | #topic Lab testing results (to be provided next week in a etherpad) | 14:29 |
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| m3m0 | what is this about? | 14:29 |
| domhnallw | Am guessing this is Ericsson? | 14:30 |
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| daemontool | I'll be sharing this | 14:30 |
| daemontool | next week | 14:30 |
| daemontool | there are few issues | 14:30 |
| daemontool | when executing backup and the job/ations | 14:31 |
| daemontool | from the web ui | 14:31 |
| daemontool | syncronization | 14:31 |
| daemontool | et | 14:31 |
| daemontool | c | 14:31 |
| daemontool | it will be available in therpad as soon as I can publish it | 14:31 |
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| m3m0 | daemontool: cool, thanks, are they people at ericsson interested in taking this? | 14:32 |
| m3m0 | I mean the fixes? | 14:32 |
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| daemontool | I don-t know | 14:32 |
| daemontool | because | 14:32 |
| daemontool | we have to do a demo | 14:32 |
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| daemontool | according the demo outcome | 14:32 |
| daemontool | it will be decided | 14:32 |
| daemontool | if resources will be allocated or not | 14:33 |
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| daemontool | so I don't know | 14:34 |
| daemontool | hopefully yes | 14:34 |
| daemontool | anyway I can work on Freezer 1 week per month | 14:34 |
| daemontool | so let me know | 14:34 |
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| daemontool | what is needed and I'll do it | 14:34 |
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| m3m0 | that's cool :) talk with slashme to get the priorities, he should be back soon | 14:35 |
| daemontool | ok | 14:35 |
| daemontool | :) | 14:36 |
| m3m0 | but for horizon, we should agree on how to approach new bugs, it's been a while since that repo got new commits | 14:36 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:36 |
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| m3m0 | ok, can we move forward? | 14:37 |
| m3m0 | #topic logs type in ES | 14:38 |
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| m3m0 | we need to store the logs of the backups as well as the metadata to improve the BaaS solution | 14:39 |
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| daemontool | yes | 14:40 |
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| daemontool | is that related to upstream? | 14:40 |
| m3m0 | yes, if we do this it will improve a lot the ui | 14:41 |
| daemontool | ah ok | 14:41 |
| m3m0 | fro horizon we can know exactly what happened in a job, rather can getting the logs from the machine one each time | 14:41 |
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| daemontool | ah ok | 14:41 |
| daemontool | got it | 14:41 |
| daemontool | yes | 14:42 |
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| m3m0 | should be easy to implement | 14:42 |
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| m3m0 | but someone else needs to take ownership of this | 14:42 |
| daemontool | I can take a look at it | 14:42 |
| daemontool | but | 14:43 |
| daemontool | I'm not sure I entirely got | 14:43 |
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| daemontool | do you mind m3m0 write something in etherpad | 14:43 |
| daemontool | or launchpad | 14:43 |
| m3m0 | sure :) | 14:43 |
| m3m0 | I can do that | 14:43 |
| daemontool | and I'll implement it? | 14:43 |
| daemontool | ok thanks :) | 14:43 |
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| m3m0 | thanks to you :) | 14:44 |
| m3m0 | is there anyting else pending? | 14:44 |
| daemontool | it's all from me | 14:44 |
| ddieterly | nothing from me | 14:44 |
| szaher | I am OK :) | 14:44 |
| m3m0 | ok, we have 15 min left, we can close it early | 14:45 |
| yangyape_ | sure | 14:45 |
| ddieterly | ok | 14:45 |
| m3m0 | thanks everyone and stay pending on #openstack-freezer channel | 14:45 |
| domhnallw | Cheers. | 14:45 |
| ddieterly | ciao | 14:45 |
| m3m0 | #endmeeting | 14:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 11 14:45:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-08-11-14.01.html | 14:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-08-11-14.01.txt | 14:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-08-11-14.01.log.html | 14:45 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 11 15:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| jseiler | hi | 15:00 |
| tovchinnikova | \\// | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| xyang2 | hi | 15:00 |
| aovchinnikov | hi | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | so there's no items proposed today ^ | 15:01 |
| markstur | hi | 15:01 |
| zhongjun_ | hi | 15:01 |
| rraja | hi | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | we'll use today to discuss deadlines and n-3 priorities | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:01 | |
| bswartz | TODAY is the driver feature proposal freeze | 15:01 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:01 |
| bswartz | starting tomorrow any new drivers or driver refactor patches should get an immediate -2 | 15:02 |
| mkoderer | hello | 15:02 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz: you mean "major" driver changes and new drivers? | 15:02 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: no that's not how we phrased it | 15:03 |
| ameade | o/ | 15:03 |
| ganso | bswartz: -1 | 15:03 |
| bswartz | the feature proposal freeze for everything else is in 1 week | 15:03 |
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| dustins_ | \o | 15:03 |
| ganso | bswartz: so what can be proposed between today and next week? | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | ganso: any small feature | 15:03 |
| ganso | bswartz: I assumed very small driver changes could be proposed up to next week | 15:03 |
| bswartz | implementation of a new feature by a driver, for example | 15:03 |
| bswartz | a new config option | 15:03 |
| ganso | bswartz: oh, ok | 15:04 |
| bswartz | ganso: yes | 15:04 |
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| zhongjun_ | bswartz: How about share backup deadline? next week? | 15:04 |
| bswartz | today's deadline is just whole new drivers | 15:04 |
| ganso | zhongjun_: share backup within major features proposal freeze | 15:04 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: ah, that clarifies.. thank you. | 15:04 |
| bswartz | and we lump driver refactors in too because they tend to be as painful to review as whole new drivers | 15:04 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: and big driver refactors | 15:04 |
| bswartz | zhongjun_: the deadline for major new features was 3 weeks past, and the backup feature proposal met that deadline | 15:06 |
| bswartz | however we have a lot of new features in review right now | 15:06 |
| bswartz | just because stuff is meeting deadlines doesn't mean we'll merge it for newton -- you need to get reviews and +2s | 15:06 |
| bswartz | if reviews aren't happening, then chances are slim at this point | 15:06 |
| * bswartz realizes he should have changed the topic a while ago | 15:07 | |
| bswartz | #topic deadlines | 15:07 |
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| zhongjun_ | bswartz: oh, I see | 15:07 |
| bswartz | as everyone knows, the deadline that really matters is the feature freeze itself | 15:07 |
| bswartz | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 15:07 |
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| ganso | bswartz: well we got a priority list, and reviewers assigned, if reviewers assigned are not reviewing, what else can we do? | 15:08 |
| bswartz | R-5 is feature freeze and we aim to cut the n-3 milestone early in that week | 15:08 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: this mean all non-merged features get -2? | 15:08 |
| bswartz | ganso: that's what I'm getting to next | 15:08 |
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| mkoderer | after R-5 | 15:09 |
| bswartz | mkoderer: any feature proposed after Aug 18 23:59:59 UTC should get immediate -2 | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | stuff with -2 can apply for a FFE but those are rarely granted | 15:10 |
| mkoderer | bswartz: ok "proposed" stuff only | 15:10 |
| bswartz | stuff that doesn't make it by the feature freeze (the n-3 tag) just gets retargeted to ocata | 15:10 |
| mkoderer | ok | 15:11 |
| bswartz | I suspect a few things will not make it, but which things those are remains to be seen | 15:11 |
| bswartz | this brings me to the etherpad... | 15:11 |
| bswartz | #topic review focus | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-newton3-priorities | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | if your name is on this etherpad you should have at least taken a look at everything you signed up for by now | 15:12 |
| bswartz | hopefully offered some feedback too | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | I'm going to look for patches which reviewers signed up who haven't reviewed and send them nastygrams | 15:13 |
| bswartz | by the end of this week please at least have your -1s posted | 15:13 |
| bswartz | so the authors have time to respond | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | if we don't get some stuff ready to merge in the next week or so, the merge conflicts at the end of the release will be a nightmare and stuff will fall out of the release just due to slowness in the gate or other silly reasons like that | 15:14 |
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| * mkoderer needs the docker driver merged :) | 15:15 | |
| bswartz | I'll point out that this release we have more features proposed than we've ever had before | 15:15 |
| bswartz | I think it shows how the community has grown and become more active, which is great | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | however it means the core team will be stressed more than ever before, and vponomaryov will unfortunately not be available for the next 2 weeks due to a much-deserved vacation | 15:17 |
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| xyang2 | bswartz: vponomaryov is on vacation and won't be back until after newton-3. do we have someone who can vote on his behave?:) | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | thankfully we now have tbarron who can do all of vponomaryov's work :-) | 15:17 |
| xyang2 | tbarron: great:) | 15:18 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov is getting lazy i see | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | lol | 15:18 |
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| vponomaryov | tbarron: show how core member should look like! | 15:18 |
| mkoderer | tbarron: we expect 7/24 reviews | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: I will return back and check it out | 15:19 |
| * tbarron should be getting worried | 15:19 | |
| bswartz | I just want to make sure to set people's expectations right -- meeting deadlines is no guarantee of merging | 15:19 |
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| vponomaryov | tbarron: don't worry, I believe in you | 15:19 |
| bswartz | personally, my top priority is having the share migration stuff merge because I want to remove the experimental tag on that and I believe we're in range of doing that | 15:20 |
| ganso | bswartz: up to next week, right? | 15:20 |
| markstur | mkoderer, 7/24 = 0.29167 how about 7x24 reviews instead? | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: remove tag in newton? | 15:20 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: that's my hope | 15:20 |
| mkoderer | markstur: :) | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | oh no | 15:20 |
| xyang2 | vponomaryov: newton-3 is Aug 29-02, so you may still make it | 15:20 |
| markstur | while vponomaryov is on vacation we can untag things and he can't object | 15:21 |
| bswartz | if we remove the experimental tag, it would probably happen between N-3 and RC1 | 15:21 |
| ganso | I can have the patch that removes experimental up for next week deadline, and merged before Augh 29th | 15:21 |
| tbarron | markstur: in python 2.7 7/24 == 0 | 15:21 |
| ganso | bswartz: really? we can do it in bugfix week? | 15:21 |
| bswartz | and it would depend on us being perfectly happy with the API as-is | 15:21 |
| bswartz | ganso: I view it as a QA thing rather than a new feature | 15:22 |
| ganso | bswartz: ok | 15:22 |
| bswartz | that's definitely up for debate | 15:22 |
| markstur | tbarron, good catch | 15:23 |
| bswartz | but removal of an experimental tag shouldn't cause any noticeable change other than you don't need to send that header anymore | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | py3 > py2 | 15:23 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: we should not require it starting with some microversion | 15:23 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: or it should be supported only in latest | 15:24 |
| ganso | bswartz: oh, it will include a microversion bump as well, won't it? | 15:24 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: right -- the removal of the experimental tag should be microversioned | 15:24 |
| bswartz | okay so that would be another noticeable change | 15:24 |
| bswartz | hmm | 15:24 |
| bswartz | maybe the late timing is less good because of that | 15:24 |
| bswartz | in that case I'd propose removing it as close to FF as possible, ideally before | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | alright so I'll open up the floor for any specific topics about features/reviews you want to discuss | 15:25 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:25 |
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| ganso | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350647/ | 15:26 |
| ganso | we should decide something related to that ^ | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: )) | 15:26 |
| bswartz | ganso: I didn't -2 it | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | yes )) | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | yes* ) | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | yet* | 15:26 |
| tbarron | can we come back to that in a moment, it will take a bit | 15:26 |
| bswartz | I just registered my objection to that approach | 15:26 |
| tbarron | gate is broken but we have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354023 | 15:27 |
| bswartz | I think a possible solution there is to merge that fix as is, and backport to mitaka, then also merge a better fix if someone can write that better fix | 15:27 |
| * bswartz looks at gouthamr | 15:27 | |
| tbarron | i'm inclined to raise a BZ for the residual work and have us go on and merge it. | 15:27 |
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| ganso | tbarron: sorry, what is a BZ? | 15:28 |
| * tbarron will wait and bring that topic up in #openstack-manila on the hour | 15:28 | |
| zhongjun_ | <ganso> | 15:28 |
| bswartz | BZ = bugzilla, which isn't really relevant for us | 15:28 |
| tbarron | ganso: sorry, i meant to say LP | 15:28 |
| ganso | oh | 15:28 |
| tbarron | bug | 15:29 |
| ganso | so it is relevant to us hehe | 15:29 |
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| tbarron | keep talking on the original subject, i was rude | 15:29 |
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| bswartz | I said what I wanted to -- gouthamr is AFK an unable to respond | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | maybe he is working hard on that fix? )) | 15:30 |
| ganso | bswartz: so if you agree with merging as is and fixing later, why keep -1? | 15:30 |
| bswartz | ganso: because I'm not going to be the one to merge it | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: removal of -1 does not mean +2 | 15:31 |
| bswartz | my preference is for the correct fix to land in newton sooner rather than later | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | however since it's tied up with migration I may have to compromise because I cant' have everything I want | 15:31 |
| ganso | bswartz: so it would be good to state that you agree that it can be merged, instead of opposing it (as you just stated), so other cores may not look at -1 and assume you have strong feelings against | 15:32 |
| bswartz | ganso: okay | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | so what's with these failed unit tests | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: achiement unlocked - persuaded PTL | 15:33 |
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| tbarron | zengyingzhe: is probably in a TZ where people are sleeping now but has a fix for broken gate here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354023 | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | s/achiement/achievement/ | 15:33 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: lol | 15:33 |
| bswartz | are they new? what caused them to start failing suddenly? | 15:33 |
| tbarron | bswartz: that's one of my questions behind my -1 | 15:33 |
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| tbarron | the other issue is that we need a followup bug for the tech debt incurred | 15:34 |
| ganso | it seems to me something messed up the encoding in huawei drivers... again | 15:34 |
| tbarron | but probably we want to go on and unbreak gate, which this patch does | 15:34 |
| bswartz | tbarron: indeed | 15:34 |
| bswartz | zhongjun_: you know anything about this? | 15:35 |
| tbarron | ganso: but git blame wasn't showing me a recent relevant change (maybe I'm just not seeing it) | 15:35 |
| * bswartz assumes zhongjun_ and zengyingzhe work together | 15:35 | |
| zhongjun_ | bswartz: a little | 15:35 |
| ganso | tbarron: it seems there hasn't | 15:35 |
| bswartz | tbarron: is the breakage reproducible on your laptop? | 15:36 |
| tbarron | bswartz: yes | 15:36 |
| tbarron | running py35 | 15:36 |
| bswartz | I haven't run unit tests revently | 15:36 |
| bswartz | recently* | 15:36 |
| bswartz | but py35 is nonvoting -- does it happen with py34? | 15:36 |
| tbarron | upstream yes, i just reprod with py35 since that's what I have locally | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | I see | 15:37 |
| mkoderer | just a quick note for drivers maintainers of DHSS=true drivers: it's might needed to incorporate the MTU fix (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349506/) in your driver | 15:37 |
| tbarron | i'm confident that it would show with py34 | 15:37 |
| mkoderer | enterprise users love MTU = 9000 and not 1500 ;) | 15:38 |
| * gouthamr is back | 15:38 | |
| tbarron | it's basic py3 encoding stuff, but I don't see the trigger for it showiing up recently | 15:38 |
| bswartz | zhongjun_: do you know when we might see a followup patch from zengyingzhe which adds back the test coverage without causing the problem we're currently seeing? | 15:38 |
| zhongjun_ | bswartz: I know he fix the buy in his environment. | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | mkoderer: +1 | 15:38 |
| tbarron | mkoderer: did you address gouthamr's comments, when you do I think cknight and I will push it through | 15:38 |
| mkoderer | tbarron: yes I did | 15:39 |
| cknight | tbarron: hopefully today | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | mkoderer: i think we need a tempest test | 15:39 |
| tbarron | mkoderer: ok, will look | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | mkoderer: it's a really simple one and i commented on the patch as to where/how to add one.. | 15:39 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: would that test be driver-dependent? | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | mkoderer: i'm okay with that going in after the patch though.. we've kind of tested it pretty vigorously downstream.. | 15:40 |
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| mkoderer | gouthamr: you mean a tempest test to check other mtu values? | 15:40 |
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| tbarron | zhongjun_: he just removed some offending lines but we don't know what triggered the issue since (i think) those lines were old | 15:40 |
| vponomaryov | don't forget to update standalone network plugin too, it is tested in dummy driver | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: nope.. copying the mtu from network provider to share network | 15:40 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: and he said he'd need a followup patch | 15:40 |
| mkoderer | all gate jobs would simply ignore since they don't use network plugins | 15:40 |
| zhongjun_ | bswartz: maybe I could call he, if he is didn't sleep | 15:40 |
| vponomaryov | mkoderer^ | 15:40 |
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| tbarron | zhongjun_: i think to get the test coverage back | 15:40 |
| mkoderer | vponomaryov: I already had a -1 becasue of the missing standalone driver | 15:41 |
| mkoderer | it's now in | 15:41 |
| bswartz | zhongjun_: we don't need to wake him up -- we just want to make sure the followup mentioned in the commit message actually happens | 15:41 |
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| gouthamr | mkoderer: not different mtu values, get the one that's set in the provider so you can verify that in the share network that gets created | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | mkoderer: and new mtu is set for dummy driver? | 15:41 |
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| gouthamr | vponomaryov: +1 -> we can test that stuff. | 15:41 |
| tbarron | zhongjun_: if we have a launchpad bug for the followup and it will include root cause analysis, then I think we could probably merge the fix now since it does make unit tests pass (by removing stuff) | 15:41 |
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| mkoderer | vponomaryov: yeah lets test it with the dummy driver | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: +1 i ran the tests locally too, can verify | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | okay any other topics? | 15:42 |
| cknight | bswartz: yes | 15:42 |
| cknight | Do we have any ZFS experts besides bswartz and vponomaryov? Valeriy was on the hook to do the 1st-party driver work for the revert-to-snapshot feature. His late-breaking vacation plans mean that feature is at risk for Newton. | 15:42 |
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| cknight | Please let me know ASAP if you want to do some driver work to enable gate testing that feature. Otherwise, I'll abandon it. | 15:43 |
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| vponomaryov | cknight: why abandon? | 15:43 |
| ganso | cknight: abandon revert-snapshot? | 15:43 |
| tbarron | abandon or just let it roll over to O | 15:43 |
| bswartz | you don't need to be a zfs expert to implement the revert-to-snapshot thing | 15:43 |
| markstur | Don't know how to spell ZFS | 15:43 |
| tbarron | zee or zed? | 15:44 |
| bswartz | argh | 15:44 |
| cknight | vponomaryov, ganso: It's been sitting there waiting for a long time. If it has to wait further, I'll let someone else run with it. | 15:44 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz: yeah, looks straightforward, if you look at vponomaryov's replication impl :D | 15:44 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov calls it "Zed FS" because he learned british english | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | :D | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | cknight: tempest tests also need writing, correct? | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I guess it is remote audio decoding problem )) | 15:45 |
| cknight | bswartz: yes. it's one API, so testing is trivial. I could still do that. | 15:45 |
| bswartz | cknight: maybe we can figure something out | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | cknight: i think negative tests for all the API validation can be added without the first party driver impl | 15:46 |
| cknight | gouthamr: sure, but we're pretty good about requiring gate testing of new features | 15:46 |
| bswartz | for the record I like British english -- I just can never get used to the Z = "zed" thing | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: how would you call it? | 15:47 |
| bswartz | zee | 15:47 |
| bswartz | americans and canadians say Z = "zee" | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | okay I think we're out of productive topics | 15:48 |
| bswartz | anything else? | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | yes | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317152/ needs reviews | 15:48 |
| ganso | I did not know about zee / zed, for me it was productive | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | it's the install guide for manila, that's moving in tree | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr thanks for doing that work | 15:49 |
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| gouthamr | tbarron, toabctl: it involves RDO, OBS specific instructions.. could you guys take a look | 15:49 |
| bswartz | gouthamr have you poked dencaval to get his review? | 15:49 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz: i did.. he hasn't responded yet | 15:49 |
| cknight | gouthamr: thanks for handling that | 15:49 |
| toabctl | gouthamr, for the OBS side - ajaeger already reviewed it. should be fine | 15:50 |
| bswartz | alright thanks everyone | 15:50 |
| cknight | *thinks gouthamr would be a great docs liaison* | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | toabctl: nice.. yep | 15:50 |
| * gouthamr oh no you don't | 15:50 | |
| bswartz | core reviewer's get your -2s ready for the deadlines tonight and next week | 15:50 |
| toabctl | cknight, +1 :) | 15:50 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 11 15:50:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-08-11-15.00.html | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-08-11-15.00.txt | 15:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-08-11-15.00.log.html | 15:50 |
| vponomaryov | I bless gouthamr for being docs liaison =) | 15:50 |
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| gouthamr | vponomaryov: too bad that wasn't captured in the minutes :D | 15:51 |
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| markstur | gouthamr, I have a screen capture | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | :D | 15:51 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:00 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:00 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:00 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:00 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:00 |
| mwhahaha | hi | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 11 16:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:00 |
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| vkramskikh | hi | 16:00 |
| romcheg | o/ | 16:00 |
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| akscram | hi | 16:01 |
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| gkibardin | hi | 16:01 |
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| kozhukalov | hi | 16:01 |
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| xarses | alright, lets get started | 16:02 |
| xarses | #topic Deprecation of the old Fuel client (romcheg) | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Deprecation of the old Fuel client (romcheg) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:02 | |
| romcheg | Hi everyone | 16:02 |
| ajafo | hi | 16:02 |
| ashtokolov | hi | 16:02 |
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| romcheg | We managed to merge all required patches to master and trying to backport everything to stable/mitaka | 16:03 |
| romcheg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-fuelclient+branch:stable/mitaka+topic:deprecate_old_cli | 16:03 |
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| xarses | fantastic | 16:03 |
| romcheg | Those are the patches that we still need to backport, so I would like to ask core reviewers to take a look | 16:03 |
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| kozhukalov | nice, but does this pkg job finally work? | 16:03 |
| romcheg | kozhukalov: it does not work yet | 16:04 |
| romcheg | but how is that related? :) | 16:04 |
| kozhukalov | it is not, just asking | 16:04 |
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| akscram | Will old fuel client command be available? | 16:04 |
| akscram | *commands | 16:04 |
| romcheg | We also have one patch to merge to master | 16:05 |
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| romcheg | that patch will actually delete old fuel client, but I would like to get a +1 from our QA team on it | 16:05 |
| romcheg | #link When I said we merged all required patches I kind | 16:05 |
| romcheg | whoops | 16:05 |
| romcheg | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353734/ | 16:05 |
| romcheg | akscram: no, we remove old fuel client from the repository | 16:06 |
| romcheg | Old commands are going to be installable from PyPi | 16:06 |
| mwhahaha | that doesn't seem like a proper deprecation | 16:06 |
| romcheg | mwhahaha: we had a deprecation warning for about 3 releases | 16:06 |
| akscram | Yeah, it's a complete replacement. | 16:06 |
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| mwhahaha | ok well you should also formally announce on the ML | 16:07 |
| romcheg | it is complete replacement | 16:07 |
| mwhahaha | then remove :) | 16:07 |
| romcheg | mwhahaha: that's a good idea | 16:07 |
| romcheg | I will also prepare a spec with a table | 16:07 |
| mwhahaha | yes please make sure there is a proper docs on new vs old commands | 16:07 |
| xarses | #action romcheg to annouunce fuel2 promotion and old fuel CLI removal on ML | 16:07 |
| romcheg | so people won't have problems migrating to the new CLI | 16:07 |
| xarses | moving on then? | 16:08 |
| romcheg | +1 if nobody has more questions | 16:08 |
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| xarses | #topic Introduction of the CCP team. Q\A if needed (kproskurin) | 16:09 |
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| xarses | they aren't here, so moving on | 16:09 |
| xarses | #topic CSV output for deployment hostory handlers status (dguryanov) | 16:10 |
| ajafo | we are | 16:10 |
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| dguryanov2 | Hi! | 16:10 |
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| dguryanov2 | Just wanted to ask to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346957/ | 16:10 |
| dguryanov2 | This patch is about splitting @content decorator | 16:10 |
| ajafo | as you probably saw we started work related to spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331139/ | 16:11 |
| dguryanov2 | Could someone, please, help? | 16:11 |
| xarses | ajafo: we'll come back, are you going to lead the topic? | 16:11 |
| xarses | dguryanov2: what's the problem? Just need more reviewers? | 16:12 |
| ajafo | xarses: ok we can back to it later if kproskurin will join he will lead it if not I can introduce little | 16:12 |
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| dguryanov2 | xarses: Yes | 16:12 |
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| xarses | dguryanov2: ok, anything else then? | 16:13 |
| dguryanov2 | No, that's all | 16:13 |
| xarses | thanks | 16:13 |
| xarses | #topic Repo based BTV (without ISO) (kozhukalov) | 16:13 |
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| kozhukalov | i just want everyone to be informed that we are now next to run get green bvt without iso | 16:14 |
| xarses | \o/ | 16:14 |
| kozhukalov | maybe today it will be green | 16:14 |
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| kozhukalov | once it is ready we then will reimplement fuel-ci deployment tests and our main bvt and swarm on master | 16:15 |
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| kozhukalov | that was a long story | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | but finally ... | 16:15 |
| xarses | ya, do we see improvement in test time already with this? | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | ok, that is it on this topic | 16:15 |
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| kozhukalov | no, test itself takes the same time | 16:16 |
| kozhukalov | but we don't need to build iso | 16:16 |
| xarses | ok | 16:16 |
| xarses | fantastic to hear, I know this has been one of your missions, it's good to see it done | 16:16 |
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| kozhukalov | not done, but almost | 16:16 |
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| kozhukalov | moving on, then | 16:17 |
| xarses | #topic Upgrades: needs merge for backports to stable/8.0 | 16:17 |
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| akscram | We have two backports to stable/8.0 to enable cloud upgrade from 7.0 to 8.0 in the fuel-web codebase: | 16:17 |
| akscram | https://review.openstack.org/353876 | 16:17 |
| akscram | https://review.openstack.org/342686/ | 16:17 |
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| akscram | They are ready to be merged. | 16:18 |
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| xarses | akscram: we just need cores to review? | 16:18 |
| akscram | Yes, some of them already have +2. | 16:19 |
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| kozhukalov | yes, we have a lot of patches on review, please core reviewers help | 16:19 |
| kozhukalov | review is more important than even writing new code | 16:20 |
| xarses | +1 | 16:20 |
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| xarses | #topic The cluster_upgrade extension was extracted from the fuel-web codebase. | 16:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "The cluster_upgrade extension was extracted from the fuel-web codebase. (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:20 | |
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| akscram | I want to notice that we extracted the cluster_upgrade extension from the Nailgun codebase and now it lives in a separate repository. | 16:20 |
| akscram | #link https://github.com/openstack/fuel-nailgun-extension-cluster-upgrade | 16:21 |
| xarses | akscram: I didn't see a message to the ML, did you send one? | 16:21 |
| akscram | Okay, I think that I need to write in ML about that. | 16:21 |
| xarses | please do | 16:22 |
| xarses | #action akscram to send ML about moving cluster_upgrade extension | 16:22 |
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| xarses | #topic mcollective configuration on slaves https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1585671 | 16:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mcollective configuration on slaves https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1585671 (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:22 | |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1585671 in Fuel for OpenStack "Multiple points of mcollective configuration on nodes" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Georgy Kibardin (gkibardin) | 16:22 |
| gkibardin | 16:22 | |
| gkibardin | Upon first boot mcollective on slaves is configured by cloud-init (host, port etc.) and by the nailgun agent when node identity is written. This may happen in any order. These caused several problem fixed in bounds of https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1455489. Currently we rely on hostname to figure that the provisioning is over and prevent nailgun agent from messing with mcollective. This solution is quite hacky and we need to make | 16:22 |
| gkibardin | a better fix. We need a single point of mcollective configuration. | 16:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1455489 in Fuel for OpenStack "Nodes stuck in "provisioning" state despite successful reboot into newly installed OS" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Georgy Kibardin (gkibardin) | 16:22 |
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| gkibardin | 16:23 | |
| gkibardin | I'm inclined not to use cloud init for mcollective configuration. It configures things in quite a strange way: it mounts an image of a file system and read configs from it. Probably there are use cases where this makes sense, but for our particular one this looks overcomplicated. In a bootstrap we initially have properly configured mcollective without all this black magic. | 16:23 |
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| gkibardin | P.S. There is also one more thing that bothers me: we have two slave-master communication channels: HTTP for nailgun agent and a message queue for mcollective. Why do we need both of them? | 16:23 |
| kozhukalov | for cloud-init it is standard way to get user data | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov | from a separate partition | 16:24 |
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| kozhukalov | nothing bad in such an approach | 16:24 |
| gkibardin | kozukalov: yes, I understand this | 16:24 |
| gkibardin | but it looks overcomplicated for our use case | 16:24 |
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| mwhahaha | in the bootstreap, the nailgun agent configures mcollective yes? | 16:25 |
| gkibardin | yes | 16:25 |
| mwhahaha | so i guess the proposal would be to let it do it post provisioning as well? | 16:25 |
| gkibardin | mwhahaha: it is an option | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov | ok, anyway using cloud-init for the image is optional from fuel-agent point of view | 16:26 |
| mwhahaha | to be consistent I would think we should use the same method for both. I'm not a fan of the cloud-init configuration for mcollective | 16:26 |
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| gkibardin | yes, the consistency is a problem here, it is better to use one method even it is not good enough | 16:27 |
| kozhukalov | then let's maybe think of using ansible instead | 16:27 |
| mwhahaha | we need the mcollective configuration for astute by the way as it doesn't leverage the nailgun agent for execution | 16:27 |
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| gkibardin | or puppet, for the consistency reasons | 16:27 |
| mwhahaha | the nailgun agent makes sense as it will essentially autoregister the node | 16:28 |
| mwhahaha | i disagree with ansible for this | 16:28 |
| mwhahaha | puppet might be useful after the fact as well but i think if we're using nailgun agent as our means for registering a node to the fuel master, it should also handle the mcollective configuration for now | 16:29 |
| kozhukalov | let's write dows all options and compare their cons and pros in ML | 16:29 |
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| gkibardin | ok | 16:29 |
| kozhukalov | gkibardin: could you please write ML on this? | 16:29 |
| gkibardin | sure | 16:29 |
| gkibardin | thanks everybody, lets move on | 16:29 |
| xarses | #action gkibardin to follow up on ML about mcollective config issues | 16:29 |
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| xarses | #topic Renaming the fuel 'release' construct https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351569/1..2/specs/10.0/release-as-a-plugin.rst (xarses) | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Renaming the fuel 'release' construct https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351569/1..2/specs/10.0/release-as-a-plugin.rst (xarses) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:30 | |
| xarses | We've been discussing in the release-as-a-plugin spec | 16:30 |
| xarses | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351569/1..2/specs/10.0/release-as-a-plugin.rst | 16:30 |
| xarses | It's come up that we need to rename the 'release' fixture to something less confusing. | 16:30 |
| xarses | Because I can write " | 16:30 |
| xarses | In the next release we will release a feature that will allow releases to be released separate of other releases" | 16:30 |
| xarses | Current proposals are 'bundle' and 'stack' I lean towards stack as heat uses similar term to describe about the same thing so it would be good to share the terminology | 16:30 |
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| kozhukalov | )))) | 16:30 |
| kozhukalov | yeah bundle sounds more appropriate | 16:31 |
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| kozhukalov | but how much would it cost for us to change this model Release into Bundle | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov | it is going to change also UX | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov | as we have commands in CLI like "fuel release" | 16:32 |
| xarses | we'd have to rename it all over the place | 16:33 |
| kozhukalov | should we also rename database table? | 16:33 |
| xarses | we could call them 'release bundles' when we talk about them, which could remove the need to rename them | 16:33 |
| xarses | but it will confuse new contributors | 16:34 |
| xarses | but ya, less pain then renaming all the things | 16:35 |
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| ikutukov | Yes, release should be renamed. But "plugin" also not correct term now | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov | how is it going to affect upgrades? | 16:36 |
| ikutukov | Because we having by fact "plugin-release" and "plugin-plugin" | 16:36 |
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| xarses | Ok, I propose this then, we can call them 'release bundles' for now in documentation, and deal with possible name migration to just 'bundle' in a different spec | 16:37 |
| ikutukov | second case is tautology | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov | it is really difficult to choose variable names for majority of software developers | 16:37 |
| ikutukov | What about "plugins"? | 16:37 |
| xarses | ikutukov: so we would call them fuel-bundle-'name' | 16:38 |
| xarses | a plugin is for a bundle | 16:38 |
| xarses | *a specific bundle | 16:38 |
| ikutukov | OK | 16:38 |
| xarses | on that note, so from there, we also need to consider if we should rename fuel-library since it's going to be it's own thing it doesn't make sense to have it be 'the fuel library' any longer | 16:38 |
| ikutukov | lets rename FPB to FBB as well) | 16:39 |
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| xarses | 'fuel-bundle-default' for example | 16:40 |
| ikutukov | Another question, will we allow to have bundle and release bundle in one bundle? | 16:40 |
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| xarses | you mean a 'plugin' and a release bundle? | 16:40 |
| kozhukalov | yeah moving code here and there makes fuel project a leading project in openstack by the number of changed lines of code | 16:40 |
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| xarses | kozhukalov: maybe we squash those commits out of stackalytics | 16:41 |
| kozhukalov | dubious | 16:42 |
| akscram | I need to read this proposal to understand an impact on upgrades. | 16:42 |
| kozhukalov | yes, please do | 16:42 |
| xarses | akscram: from the internals side, you should see any change, the label for the 'release' would still be mitaka-9.0 and newton-10.0 | 16:43 |
| kozhukalov | renaming is usually very painful and we should do this only if potential adv. are much bigger | 16:43 |
| xarses | should/shouldn't | 16:43 |
| ikutukov | what about bundle metadata file structure, we should make smth like {"releases": [{RELEASE DEF}, ...], "plugins": [{OLD STYLE RELEASE DEF}, ...]} | 16:43 |
| ikutukov | ? | 16:43 |
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| xarses | ikutukov: plugins to bundles are still expected | 16:44 |
| ikutukov | Yes, what about declaration format? | 16:44 |
| xarses | ya, comment on the specs, there are two | 16:45 |
| xarses | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346143 | 16:45 |
| xarses | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351569 | 16:45 |
| xarses | ok, lets move on. | 16:45 |
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| xarses | #topic Introduction of the CCP team. Q\A if needed (kproskurin). | 16:46 |
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| kproskurin | Hello | 16:46 |
| xarses | #action xarses will update spec regarding release naming and summarize on ML | 16:46 |
| xarses | hi | 16:46 |
| kproskurin | We'd like to introduce out team and our project - CCP. Our goal is to create a contarenized OS running on top of k8s. | 16:46 |
| kproskurin | This initiative described in this spec: | 16:46 |
| kproskurin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331139/ | 16:46 |
| kproskurin | We already in upstream, under fuel umbrella: openstack/fuel-ccp*. Everyone is welcome to contribute to this repos. | 16:47 |
| kproskurin | We wrote a simple python CLI, which can be found in openstack/fuel-ccp repo, which fetch, build and deploy OS for us. Some documentation avalible in the same repo(not much right now). | 16:47 |
| kproskurin | We already able to deploy basic OS in containers(mariadb, RBMQ, keystone, horizon, glance, nova, ovs, neutron) and everything seems to work, but a lot of work still ahead. | 16:47 |
| kproskurin | Olso, we're joined 3rd party CI, which build some docker images for testing purposes: | 16:47 |
| kproskurin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/Fuel_CCP_CI | 16:47 |
| kproskurin | We're in the middle of creating vagrant dev env in openstack/fuel-ccp-installer, so really soon you could try to play with it and we're going to create a user friendly documentation describing how to create a dev env and deploy OS using CCP cli on top of it in the following week. | 16:47 |
| kproskurin | If you've any question we can answer now (or if I'll don't know answer bring it on next meeting) | 16:47 |
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| kozhukalov | what is the plan for integrating your work with Fuel? | 16:48 |
| kproskurin | It's not 100% clear yet. But it's somewhere in the roadmap, but not very soon, iirc. | 16:49 |
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| kproskurin | But plan is to enable CCP deploy via Fuel | 16:49 |
| kproskurin | iirc it will be a separate reference architecture | 16:50 |
| kozhukalov | do you plan to use Fuel WEB UI? | 16:50 |
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| kozhukalov | wen deploying Openstack over K8s? | 16:50 |
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| kozhukalov | are there any preliminary public docs, discussions? | 16:51 |
| kproskurin | Probably, but yet again, it's a bit early to make such assumptions, we're in very early state of development and we want to stabilize our own code before thinking about integrations | 16:51 |
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| kozhukalov | I would say you guys need to promote ccp initiative more intensively | 16:51 |
| kproskurin | We were a bit in a stealth mode | 16:51 |
| kproskurin | :-) | 16:51 |
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| xarses | yes, but don't stay that way | 16:52 |
| xarses | people are very interested in what you are working on | 16:52 |
| kozhukalov | yes, and this must be fixed asap (i mean switch to public mode) | 16:52 |
| kproskurin | Sure, it's been few weeks from the point of first stabilisation of our code, we wasnt ready before to promote our self | 16:52 |
| kproskurin | Well, Kolla project aware what we exist | 16:53 |
| kozhukalov | i hope you guys will take part in our weekly meetings regularly | 16:53 |
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| ajafo | yes we will take a part regulary | 16:53 |
| kproskurin | We will | 16:53 |
| kozhukalov | everyone is aware, but no one knows exactly what are your plans | 16:53 |
| kproskurin | Thats true | 16:54 |
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| kozhukalov | ok, nice, we are looking forward to see any progress on this topic | 16:54 |
| kozhukalov | thanks | 16:54 |
| kproskurin | Its a bit hard to explain but we wanted to be in a "working state" before promote ourselfs | 16:54 |
| kproskurin | Sure, I hope really soon we'll able to provide a simple way to use our work via vagrant | 16:55 |
| gkibardin | Will promotion part include some sort of roadmap? | 16:55 |
| kproskurin | I hope it's 1-2 week from now | 16:55 |
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| kproskurin | Yes, I think so | 16:55 |
| ajafo | yes, we wanted to prepare project to be ready to contribution by others so we had to prepare repos ci and it take some time | 16:55 |
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| kproskurin | We have a roadmap for like half of the year ahead but something always change | 16:55 |
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| ajafo | now all of it has basic functionality so it's time for improvements and next steps like our presence here | 16:56 |
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| gkibardin | thanks, I would play with the dev env as soon as it is available. | 16:57 |
| kproskurin | Sure, we will promote ready-to-use env and docs here and in the mailing list, I suppose | 16:57 |
| xarses | anything else, we have 2 min | 16:58 |
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| kozhukalov | once again please help with reviews | 16:58 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 16:59 |
| xarses | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 11 16:59:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-08-11-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-08-11-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-08-11-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
| kproskurin | Thanks all folks | 16:59 |
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| tmcpeak | #startmeeting security | 16:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 11 16:59:39 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:59 |
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| lhinds | hi tmcpeak ! | 16:59 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 16:59 |
| tmcpeak | #chair hyakuhei | 16:59 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 16:59 |
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| lhinds | hi * | 16:59 |
| hyakuhei | sup y'all | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | hai! | 17:00 |
| mdong | o/ | 17:00 |
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| elmiko | hi | 17:00 |
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| singlethink | howdy | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | heads up, I'll likely have to split soon | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | boarding a plane | 17:00 |
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| hyakuhei | fancy! | 17:01 |
| elmiko | ++ | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | :D | 17:01 |
| tkelsey | o/ all | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | So this is the last IRC meeting before the midcycle which is exciting | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | oh hai tkelsey | 17:01 |
| tkelsey | hi hyakuhei :) | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | As usual we have an agenda over here:https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:02 |
| ccneill | o/ | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko: I’m looking at the gerrit groups | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | do we have security docs core for OSSN ? | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:03 |
| elmiko | i /thought/ we did | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | I’ll have to check the policy for the OSSN gate, | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | I'm about a minute slower than hykauhei | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | this web client sucks | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | elmiko: we have a specific OSSN one | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | but no-one’s in it | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | so I’m guessing that’s not right :P | 17:03 |
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| sicarie | hyakuhei: i thought that was sec-core | 17:04 |
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| hyakuhei | yeah, I need to do an audit | 17:05 |
| elmiko | honestly, i never worked the levers for the gerrit groups. i know i was able to +2 on ossn, and i thought that was related to sec-core, but not sure about the docs core for ossn | 17:05 |
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| dg____ | o/ | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | There’s ways to figure it out, this is all in aid of making lhinds a sec core anyway :) | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | hey dg____ | 17:06 |
| elmiko | sweet, and grats lhinds =) | 17:06 |
| lhinds | thx! | 17:06 |
| dg____ | good work lhinds | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | +1, well deserved! | 17:06 |
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| hyakuhei | Yupyup | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | ok, I want to move sec docs up the agenda a bit | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Security Docs | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | So crdotson is new to the group here, he’s just joined my team over at IBM | 17:07 |
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| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:07 |
| crdotson | Hello everyone! | 17:07 |
| elmiko | sweet, welcome crdotson | 17:07 |
| * crdotson waves | 17:07 | |
| lhinds | hi crdotson | 17:07 |
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| dave-mccowan | o/ | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Chris might be helping with OSSN/Docs - good security guy, technical writer in a past life, seems like a good guy to have around :) | 17:08 |
| singlethink | welcome | 17:08 |
| elmiko | awesome ++ | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | So obviously I especially wanted him to meet elmiko and sicarie | 17:08 |
| * sicarie waves | 17:08 | |
| elmiko | nice to meet ya, later o/ | 17:08 |
| * elmiko giggles | 17:08 | |
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| hyakuhei | lol | 17:08 |
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| tmcpeak | haha | 17:09 |
| unrahul | Hey crdotson welcome!! | 17:09 |
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| elmiko | i keeed | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | elmiko you're going to attend the midcycle on the big screen again, right | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | ? | 17:09 |
| elmiko | maybe just to say hi | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | works for me | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | Now I don’t think its fair to throw crdotson straight into being a docs maintainer but I think we should try to work out what a fast-track to that might be. Starting with OSSNs seems reasonable. | 17:09 |
| elmiko | and i'll certainly join any sessions where i can help transition | 17:09 |
| elmiko | hyakuhei++ | 17:10 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah, OSSN is a good start | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | fun for the whole family | 17:10 |
| lhinds | sounds good! | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | We’ve only just started talking about it | 17:10 |
| dg____ | crdotson maybe have a look at a few reviews on the security docs, maybe fix something obviously dumb so you get used to the horriblness of the workflow | 17:11 |
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| elmiko | lol | 17:11 |
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| tkelsey | workflow isn't _that_ bad :P | 17:11 |
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| elmiko | come on dg____, stiff upper lip, it's not *all* bad | 17:11 |
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| crdotson | Sure, I can do that | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | It’s ok when you get used to it | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | crdotson: maybe have a poke around the open bugs here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | you'll have to get started with launchpad, git if you haven't used it, etc | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | then you can assign yourself one of the open bugs that looks legit | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | we also have guidance somewhere... | 17:12 |
| dg____ | general docs guidance is pretty good | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Security_Note_Process | 17:12 |
| dg____ | the RST section in the docs guidance is worth a read too | 17:12 |
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| tmcpeak | allright, I gotta roll, hopefully see a bunch of you in Austin! | 17:13 |
| ccneill | indeed! | 17:13 |
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| hyakuhei | safe flight tmcpeak | 17:13 |
| crdotson | Yep, have used git, haven't used launchpad yet. | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | thank you sir | 17:13 |
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| lhinds | you have hyakuhei (whose the expert) sitting near you crdotson, but I am also happy to help, having got up to speed over the past few months | 17:14 |
| crdotson | Thanks lhinds | 17:14 |
| lhinds | s/whose/who is | 17:14 |
| lhinds | derp | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | organisationally we sit close, geographically not so much | 17:14 |
| lhinds | ahh, thats the way now | 17:14 |
| lhinds | I thought we might have had another west country type :P | 17:15 |
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| hyakuhei | heh, kentucky I think | 17:15 |
| crdotson | Yep! :) | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | Seems like we need to get crdotson up to speed then :) if elmiko or sicarie known any low-hanging bugs to address that’d be handy | 17:16 |
| sicarie | I’ll take a look | 17:16 |
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| crdotson | I'm perusing the Doc contributor guide now | 17:16 |
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| elmiko | yeah, might be nice if we have something light | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | TBH I’m sure crdotson can find plenty of things he’d want to tweak anyway. | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | ok, lets get back to our scheduled programming | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Syntribos | 17:18 |
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| ccneill | kewl | 17:18 |
| mdong | cool, so ccneill and I were both out last week at Defcon | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | fancy! | 17:19 |
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| ccneill | yep yep, was a good time | 17:19 |
| mdong | but while we were gone, there was a lot of work done on logging, and we were finally able to close out our “remove and replace OpenCAFE” trello card | 17:19 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:19 |
| ccneill | so if you haven't given Syntribos a run in a while, you might wanna go check it out | 17:20 |
| ccneill | we've revamped the CLI a bit to be (we think) muuuuch clearer | 17:20 |
| mdong | unrahul also wrote a fantastic CLI output | 17:20 |
| ccneill | thanks to unrahul for the progress bars | 17:20 |
| ccneill | and other modifications | 17:20 |
| mdong | it’s real pretty | 17:20 |
| unrahul | :D .. | 17:20 |
| unrahul | thanks guys! | 17:20 |
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| unrahul | u guys should check it out.. its not perfect.. but Syntribos looks kinda cool ryt now! | 17:21 |
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| ccneill | we'll be having a discussion soon about how we can automatically generate syntribos templates for different APIs | 17:21 |
| ccneill | if anyone has experience/ideas in that area, reach out to us | 17:21 |
| ccneill | e.g. using mitmproxy to log results of functional tests, scraping docs, etc. | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | oh that’s none-trivial. | 17:22 |
| ccneill | yeah :( | 17:22 |
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| hyakuhei | burpsuite probably has some discovery stuff ? | 17:22 |
| elmiko | too bad we didn't get further with openapi specs for the projects | 17:22 |
| ccneill | yeah and we realized documentation doesn't really follow the same conventions either | 17:23 |
| elmiko | i would think having an openapi->syntribos template generator would be highly helpful | 17:23 |
| ccneill | indeed | 17:23 |
| elmiko | plus, could be a good way to reach out to projects as they will most likely be looking at generating these types of docs | 17:23 |
| ccneill | in y'all's experience, do OS projects have RAMLs/WADLs/etc? | 17:23 |
| elmiko | we had WADLs, but they are being replaced by openapi and possibly a custom format | 17:24 |
| ccneill | i.e., is it worth it to support those formats, or should we focus on the "undocumented" approach | 17:24 |
| ccneill | I'm not familiar with openAPI, is it something OS-specific? | 17:24 |
| elmiko | imo, there is good value to supporting openapi as a format, but probably not worth it for wadl | 17:24 |
| elmiko | openapi was formerly swagger | 17:24 |
| ccneill | ahhh | 17:24 |
| ccneill | these guys? https://openapis.org/ | 17:24 |
| elmiko | yes | 17:24 |
| elmiko | that has been discussed many many times as a possible replacement for wadl in our api-ref site | 17:25 |
| ccneill | well perhaps we'll help convince projects by supporting the spec and saying "you can get free security testing if you do to :)" | 17:25 |
| elmiko | there was a ton of work over the last year or so about this | 17:25 |
| ccneill | too* | 17:25 |
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| elmiko | yeah, i think that would be awesome. you may want to reach out to anne gentle and sean dague about it too | 17:25 |
| ccneill | cool, will do | 17:26 |
| elmiko | at least for ideas about how it impacts the OS landscape | 17:26 |
| ccneill | any refs off-hand for OS integration with openapi? | 17:26 |
| elmiko | let me look, 1sec | 17:26 |
| ccneill | if not no worries, I'll touch base with Anne and Sean | 17:26 |
| elmiko | i need to dig up some old specs and whatnot. may take a few | 17:27 |
| ccneill | cool, if you wanna ping me after the meeting that would be awexome | 17:27 |
| elmiko | ack | 17:27 |
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| hyakuhei | Seems like some good leads, certainly something approaching swagger (I mean openapi) would seem to be extremely useful for all involved | 17:28 |
| elmiko | ccneill: good starting point, http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/api-docs.html | 17:28 |
| ccneill | shweet, thanks elmiko | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | That’s not very prescriptive imho | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | “You should do these things” rather than “This is how to do these things” | 17:28 |
| elmiko | yeah, agreed | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | Good starting point though I guess | 17:29 |
| elmiko | there has been a whole debate swirling around this topic for like 2 years now | 17:29 |
| ccneill | eh, best practices is better than "do wtf you want!" | 17:29 |
| ccneill | at least we have some commonalities | 17:29 |
| unrahul | that would be a significant effort ryt.. will that help us in the near term for Syntribos? | 17:29 |
| elmiko | given time i can dig up a bunch of reviews and emails that all talk about it | 17:29 |
| unrahul | as the spec has been there for a while.. | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | I’m sure | 17:29 |
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| elmiko | i would say it's an evolving topic, but has come up many times about how do we represent the apis to developers. if there is a way to standardize that, i imagine it would help syntribos | 17:30 |
| ccneill | yep | 17:30 |
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| hyakuhei | Yup | 17:30 |
| ccneill | honestly I don't care so much that everyone uses ONE API TO RULE THEM ALL | 17:30 |
| elmiko | i'm just not sure where the discussion ended up since i have been slowly moving away... | 17:30 |
| ccneill | /API/API spec/ | 17:30 |
| sdake | o/ | 17:30 |
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| ccneill | but at least that they're using /something/ | 17:30 |
| sdake | apologies for tardiness | 17:30 |
| elmiko | well, the docs team is certainly interested in that ccneill | 17:31 |
| ccneill | RAML, WADL, OAPI, etc. | 17:31 |
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| ccneill | sure, but I mean to say, we can get wins for Syntribos without convincing the entire barge to do a 360 | 17:31 |
| elmiko | definitely | 17:31 |
| elmiko | i just wanted to bring it up | 17:31 |
| ccneill | yep, should be a good starting place for us | 17:32 |
| ccneill | thanks! | 17:32 |
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| ccneill | I think that's about it for Syntribos atm. we'll be doing some docs clean-up soon to get it up-to-date with all our latest changes | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | cool, OSSN next | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:33 |
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| hyakuhei | I don’t have much here, saving it for the midcycle :) | 17:33 |
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| lhinds | Nothing to new from me, was on leave and still working on the ipv6 > qbr > breach | 17:33 |
| lhinds | Did have a look a nkinder 's code as well | 17:34 |
| lhinds | the scripts for parsing notes | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah that’s interesting stuff | 17:34 |
| lhinds | yep, definately is | 17:34 |
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| lhinds | other then that, I think you have a backlog under embargo(?) still, that I could get stuck into as well | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | Cool, lhinds are you coming to the midcycle | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | lhinds: I’ll get you added to the right group for that today :) | 17:35 |
| lhinds | unfortunately not hyakuhei , but I will make a push for the next one and should get my way | 17:36 |
| lhinds | i will be @ the summit though | 17:36 |
| lhinds | and happy to take part remotely (if that's possible?) | 17:36 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah should be possible, elmiko and dg____ both did that last time | 17:36 |
| lhinds | oh that would be cool | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | ok, lets move on then | 17:37 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Midcycle | 17:37 |
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| hyakuhei | Reminder: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-security-midcycle-N | 17:37 |
| sdake | hyakuhei say - I wont be at midcycle because of budget constraints | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | IBM will be picking up breakfast/lunch - I assume we’ll be getting stuff in | 17:38 |
| sdake | hyakuhei will there be remote participation available? | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | sdake: Absolutely | 17:38 |
| sdake | hyakuhei nice - thanks :) | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | sorry you can’t be there. it would have been good to have run through the process | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | I know dg____ has been working on parts of that recently | 17:38 |
| sdake | i'd propose running through the process remotely if possible | 17:39 |
| sdake | if not, or its too lat eto change the agenda, I understand | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | Seems like we can do a remote process the week after | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | Doing a remote process the one week we’re mostly in the same place seems a little disjointed. | 17:40 |
| sdake | yup - i hear ya - remote participation in midcycles is rough :) | 17:41 |
| sdake | pehraps we can schedule a couple weeks out - we are under heavy strain with osic testing at present | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah we can do that. | 17:41 |
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| sdake | cool i'll sync up with you offline on dates | 17:41 |
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| hyakuhei | At IBM we’ve been doing some threat modelling work internally that I want to share with dg____ and see how it might affect the openstack process | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | cheers sdake | 17:42 |
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| dg____ | hyakuhei great to hear you've been working on that tool, I've been hacking together a bunch of stuff for the guide on this, and we should have the HPE review of Designate hitting the security analysis repo in the next couple of days | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent! | 17:43 |
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| elmiko | dg____++ | 17:44 |
| singlethink | hyakuhei: Did I miss that you're working on a threat modeling tool? | 17:44 |
| dg____ | it was a typo, should have been too | 17:44 |
| singlethink | oh ok... we have one that we're building internally at Cisco | 17:44 |
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| dg____ | oh awesome! are you able to share any details singlethink? | 17:44 |
| singlethink | there's some talk of open sourcing eventually | 17:44 |
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| * singlethink checking | 17:45 | |
| hyakuhei | That would be cool | 17:45 |
| singlethink | (don't let me hold up the flow of the conversation) | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | I thnk that was it really :) | 17:46 |
| singlethink | ok | 17:46 |
| singlethink | I got the thumbs up | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | Sweet | 17:46 |
| singlethink | So... basically dev teams make an arch diagram | 17:46 |
| singlethink | think high level system diagram that describes data flows | 17:46 |
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| singlethink | There are pre-defined types of data flows like "public network connection", "database connection", etc. | 17:47 |
| singlethink | Through some massaging and annotation, the tool finds boundaries between different trust domains | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | Sounds good, I like the idea of it being open sourced so others can add/customize | 17:47 |
| singlethink | and alerts the devs to possible threats that need to be mitigated there (primarily drawing from CAPEC) | 17:48 |
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| sdake | sounds similar to the manual process we held for kolla at austin summit | 17:48 |
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| singlethink | yeah... the idea was to try to take the manual process, mash it up with codified domain knowledge about different threats, and give teams an artifact that can evolve over time with their project | 17:49 |
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| singlethink | I'll mention to the community interest to the manager that's currently in charge over development | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | release early, release often | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | sdake: yeah. | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | What we’ve been doing at IBM is similar too | 17:50 |
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| singlethink | It's becoming easier to do that here... but it's still a process | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | Very interesting | 17:51 |
| elmiko | +1, sounds very cool | 17:51 |
| ccneill | yep +1 | 17:51 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok, any more on this stuff? | 17:51 |
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| hyakuhei | I think we’re onto AOB then | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Any other business | 17:52 |
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| dg____ | sdake where are we at with the Kolla TA? Do you need anything from us? | 17:52 |
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| sdake | re kolla TA | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | Oh yeah, if someone could recommend to me where I should order food from in Austin | 17:52 |
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| sdake | dg____ yes - I think our last step taken was to produce a flow diagram | 17:52 |
| sdake | i think hyakuhei did that work | 17:52 |
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| dg____ | great work hyakuhei, hands on leadership | 17:53 |
| sdake | if I could get access to that diagram, it would help me produce more diagrams for our other 6 types of containers | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | I think that’s captured in the etherpad. | 17:53 |
| dg____ | ok sure, I think I have that somewhere.... | 17:53 |
| * dg____ plays hold music | 17:53 | |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-newton-summit-threat-analysis | 17:54 |
| sdake | once we have diagrams in place, I'm not sure what the next step is | 17:54 |
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| dg____ | thanks you beat me to it | 17:54 |
| dg____ | sdake the source for the diagrams from the summit are at the bottom of that etherpad | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | basically a discussion of how things work, based on interpretting the diagrams and discussing the threats to the system | 17:54 |
| sdake | but we can produce documentation from the diagrams and our understanding of what is needed | 17:54 |
| hyakuhei | Which for Kolla are probably quite limited | 17:54 |
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| sdake | and post that to the security-analysis repo | 17:55 |
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| sdake | and I guess I need to close the loop on the reno feature for threat-analysis repo | 17:55 |
| sdake | I'll do that today | 17:55 |
| sdake | its about a 1 hr job | 17:55 |
| dg____ | ok thanks sdake, it'd be great to have that in place when we start looking at this next week | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:55 |
| sdake | dg____ can't promise to have all diagrams in place by next week | 17:55 |
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| hyakuhei | That’s ok, just see what you can managed. The diagram system we use is _very_ quick | 17:56 |
| sdake | but deifnately by the time we have our ta in a few weeks over webex or google hangouts or whatever people want :) | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | in terms of time invested | 17:56 |
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| sdake | yup I'll work on it | 17:56 |
| dg____ | sdake no worries | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent. | 17:56 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok any last minute things? | 17:57 |
| sdake | just a big thanks from kolla for working with us on this :) | 17:57 |
| sdake | VMT is very important to us | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks for being our guinea pigs :) | 17:57 |
| sdake | roger that :) | 17:57 |
| dg____ | np, we really appricate your cooperation sdake | 17:57 |
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| sdake | just one last uestion | 17:58 |
| sdake | do you think we will be able to close this work out before newton concludes? | 17:58 |
| dg____ | yes | 17:58 |
| sdake | nice | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | I’d like to | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | That should be our goal | 17:58 |
| elmiko | +1 | 17:58 |
| sdake | hyakuhei ya - if we can't get it done in a cycle, seems like might be too heavyweight | 17:59 |
| dg____ | +1 | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | +1 | 17:59 |
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| hyakuhei | ok, time people! Thanks all! | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 11 17:59:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-08-11-16.59.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-08-11-16.59.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-08-11-16.59.log.html | 17:59 |
| dg____ | thanks guys, see you in austin | 17:59 |
| elmiko | thanks hyakuhei ! | 17:59 |
| lhinds | cheers all | 17:59 |
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