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| toabctl | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 18 13:01:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is toabctl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:01 |
| toabctl | ping dirk toabctl IgorYozhikov number80 jruzicka | 13:01 |
| toabctl | #chair dirk number80 IgorYozhikov jruzicka | 13:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov dirk jruzicka number80 toabctl | 13:02 |
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| toabctl | so anybody here for a meeting? | 13:02 |
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| toabctl | please add you topics as usual to the agenda on the etherpad | 13:03 |
| toabctl | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:03 |
| toabctl | and please say hello if somebody is here. otherwise I'll jus end the meeting in some minutes again | 13:03 |
| jpena | o/ | 13:04 |
| IgorYozhikov | o/ :) | 13:04 |
| number80 | o/ | 13:06 |
| toabctl | ok. let's start | 13:06 |
| toabctl | #topic https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging-python3-renderspec | 13:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging-python3-renderspec (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:06 | |
| toabctl | ^^ IgorYozhikov | 13:06 |
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| IgorYozhikov | yes, I posted some of my thoughts | 13:06 |
| toabctl | tbh I'm not sure if we need to discuss it if we are just 3 persons. I would at least have an opinion from dirk and number80 | 13:06 |
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| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, i'm fine with this, lets move this to further meeting | 13:07 |
| toabctl | ok | 13:07 |
| IgorYozhikov | Just want to make you know about my thoughts about py3 | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | and what could we do | 13:08 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, we can just move the topic to the next meeting, ok? | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | sure | 13:08 |
| toabctl | #topic osc-lib - bump to 1.0.2 | 13:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "osc-lib - bump to 1.0.2 (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:08 | |
| jruzicka | o/ | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | I just saw that 1.0.2 was merged to U-C | 13:08 |
| number80 | Yeah | 13:09 |
| IgorYozhikov | as === 1.0.2 - might be we can update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355335/1/openstack/osc-lib/osc-lib.spec.j2? | 13:09 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, ok. I'll update the changeset | 13:09 |
| IgorYozhikov | and while investigating fails in our CI I figured out that with MOS version of cliff - it passed fine | 13:09 |
| IgorYozhikov | and failing when using cliff built from rpm-packaging | 13:10 |
| IgorYozhikov | so I'm now in the middle of investigaion process | 13:10 |
| toabctl | ok | 13:10 |
| toabctl | #topic pending reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open | 13:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pending reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:10 | |
| IgorYozhikov | when I'll find a root cause- I'll propose corresponding changes | 13:11 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, yes. sounds good | 13:11 |
| toabctl | anything special in the current review list? | 13:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343335/ | 13:11 |
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| number80 | ack | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | looks like it stuck ^ | 13:12 |
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| number80 | Well, I don't mind using xargs but it doesn't play well with parameter expansion | 13:13 |
| toabctl | dirk had a comment there. should we wait? I would also be fine with merging it. | 13:13 |
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| number80 | well, we can wait | 13:13 |
| number80 | it's not critical, just wanted to run tools faster :) | 13:14 |
| toabctl | :) | 13:14 |
| toabctl | number80, there are some changeset with a -1. can you update them? or should somebody else takeover? | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'm going to check all other failures and update || backport missed depends | 13:15 |
| IgorYozhikov | in our repos | 13:16 |
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| jpena | number80: I wouldn't mind taking over some of your reviews if you're short on time | 13:16 |
| IgorYozhikov | that should fix issues like DEBUG util.py:417: Error: No Package found for python-pifpaf >= 0.10.0 | 13:16 |
| IgorYozhikov | DEBUG util.py:417: Error: No Package found for python-pika_pool >= 0.1.3 | 13:16 |
| IgorYozhikov | O_o pifpaf | 13:17 |
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| IgorYozhikov | and here about naming - python-pika_pool in logs | 13:18 |
| IgorYozhikov | and package is python-pika-pool-0.1.3-1.el7~mos1.src.rpm | 13:18 |
| number80 | jpena: I'd focus on uploading new packages | 13:19 |
| number80 | it's still manageable | 13:19 |
| IgorYozhikov | does it means that I need to fix the name? | 13:19 |
| toabctl | jpena, there are plenty of updates needed :) | 13:19 |
| toabctl | #link http://toabctl.de/openstack/rpm-packaging-status-newton.html | 13:19 |
| IgorYozhikov | I can take cliff | 13:20 |
| jpena | toabctl: ok, I'll start with some of them | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | because of working on it anyway | 13:20 |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, the name is pika-pool . what requires pika_pool ? | 13:21 |
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| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350429/6 | 13:21 |
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| IgorYozhikov | https://packaging-ci.fuel-infra.org/job/master-rpm-packaging-build-centos7/544/artifact/artifacts/oslo.messaging.spec/*view*/ | 13:22 |
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| IgorYozhikov | guess it is from pymod2pkg transformation rule | 13:22 |
| number80 | oslo.messaging | 13:23 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, yes. It's from pymod2pkg . the oslo.messaging spec.j2 has the correct name | 13:23 |
| IgorYozhikov | I know, i'm about resulting spec | 13:24 |
| IgorYozhikov | does it means that it is require to update pymod2pkg? | 13:24 |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, it's a RDO rule. not sure why you have different pkg names | 13:25 |
| number80 | IgorYozhikov: either we need to add MOS specific mapping or look at it. | 13:25 |
| number80 | If I remember pika_pool was the upstream name at some point and it got accepted as-is in Fedora | 13:26 |
| IgorYozhikov | number80, I think that I need to fix our name to be close to rdo/fedora naming | 13:26 |
| IgorYozhikov | and add provides /obsoletes | 13:26 |
| number80 | I guess, we can fix that package name | 13:26 |
| IgorYozhikov | for compatibility | 13:26 |
| number80 | looks like jpena is the fedora maintainer ^ | 13:26 |
| jpena | number80: do you suggest doing the change in fedora? | 13:27 |
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| IgorYozhikov | jpena, I think that number80 just asking what is the right name here for fedora || centos package | 13:28 |
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| number80 | jpena: upstream name is now pika-pool, maybe we should rename it | 13:29 |
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| jpena | number80: mmm you're right. Ok, it's an easy change | 13:29 |
| number80 | jpena: just add me as a reviewer, and I'll approve it | 13:30 |
| number80 | we just need Provides/Obsoletes: python-pika_pool | 13:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | number80, jpena - I add additional provides to mos pika-pool package to handle both variants | 13:31 |
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| number80 | yeah, but rename would be ok in this case | 13:32 |
| * number80 suggests to discuss this on our channel post-meeting | 13:32 | |
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| IgorYozhikov | so, and after that we could update pymod2pkg? | 13:32 |
| number80 | yes | 13:32 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok | 13:32 |
| toabctl | jruzicka, I commented on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347447 but in general lgtm. I'm fine with adding this change. but we need to think about how we want to continue with renderspec... | 13:32 |
| number80 | yes | 13:33 |
| toabctl | any other change that needs to be discussed? | 13:33 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339458/ | 13:33 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, ah. the sed from the spec.j2 removes the line https://github.com/openstack/taskflow/blob/master/taskflow/types/graph.py#L21 | 13:34 |
| toabctl | that leads to the import error and the build failure. | 13:35 |
| toabctl | number80, can we just remove the sed? is that really needed? | 13:35 |
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| * number80 looks | 13:36 | |
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| number80 | we can remove it, but it pulls quite a lot of deps | 13:37 |
| number80 | was like 600 to 800 Mb for a one-liner function | 13:37 |
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| toabctl | hm | 13:38 |
| number80 | I tried to convince upstream removing it but though it's unused, they want to keep it forever ... | 13:39 |
| IgorYozhikov | whoa.... | 13:39 |
| number80 | whatever, let's remove it | 13:39 |
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| toabctl | ok | 13:41 |
| toabctl | anything else in the queue? | 13:41 |
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| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, no from my side | 13:42 |
| jruzicka | toabctl, how do we want to continue with renderspec? | 13:42 |
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| jruzicka | I mean, what are the options? | 13:42 |
| IgorYozhikov | going to fix of missed and continue with cliff | 13:42 |
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| toabctl | #topic open discussion | 13:43 |
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| toabctl | anything else? | 13:43 |
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| IgorYozhikov | jruzicka, what do you mean ? | 13:43 |
| IgorYozhikov | features? | 13:44 |
| toabctl | jruzicka, ah. missed that question. sorry | 13:44 |
| jruzicka | we can discuss post-meeting | 13:44 |
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| toabctl | jruzicka, ok. let's move to #openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:45 |
| toabctl | thanks everybody | 13:45 |
| toabctl | #endmeeting | 13:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 18 13:45:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-08-18-13.01.html | 13:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-08-18-13.01.txt | 13:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-08-18-13.01.log.html | 13:45 |
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| m3m0 | #startmeeting freezer | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 18 14:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is m3m0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:00 |
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| yangyape_ | hello | 14:00 |
| m3m0 | as always, the notes for the meeting at: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:00 |
| m3m0 | who is here for the freezer meeting? | 14:00 |
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| yangyape_ | :) | 14:00 |
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| yangyape_ | Only us ? | 14:01 |
| timothyb89 | hi all | 14:02 |
| m3m0 | It seems so | 14:02 |
| yangyape_ | hi timothyb89 | 14:02 |
| m3m0 | one more :) | 14:02 |
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| m3m0 | is daemontool around? | 14:03 |
| ddieterly | o/ | 14:03 |
| m3m0 | let's wait 2 more minutes | 14:04 |
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| m3m0 | #topic BaaS status #action improve docs for BaaS (szaher) | 14:04 |
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| m3m0 | szaher are you around? | 14:05 |
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| m3m0 | mmm, can we move forward then? | 14:07 |
| m3m0 | I'll take thas as a yes | 14:08 |
| m3m0 | #topic agent refactoring: related(https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319182/) | 14:08 |
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| m3m0 | ddieterly is this ready to go? | 14:08 |
| ddieterly | i think so | 14:09 |
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| m3m0 | ok, please everyone, review this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319182/ | 14:10 |
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| m3m0 | and what about the agent refactoring? any updates? | 14:10 |
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| m3m0 | and daemontool is not here for the next topics | 14:12 |
| m3m0 | yangyape_: do you have something you want to add for this meeting? | 14:12 |
| ddieterly | looks like it is just you and me m3m0 | 14:12 |
| m3m0 | it seems so hahahah | 14:12 |
| ddieterly | lol | 14:12 |
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| yangyape_ | Action add cindernative to freezer-web-ui | 14:13 |
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| m3m0 | but anyway let's wait maybe more people will join | 14:13 |
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| m3m0 | yangyape_: what's the status? | 14:13 |
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| yangyape_ | have a patch to do cindernative backup in internal. but we should backup cindernative. | 14:15 |
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| yangyape_ | in freezer-web-ui, i want to fix nova and cinder first, then add cindernative | 14:15 |
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| yangyape_ | now, horizon backup nova or cinder it is unavalable, i ready to do it tomorrow, | 14:17 |
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| m3m0 | let me know if you need help with that] | 14:24 |
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| yangyape_ | thanks m3m0 :) | 14:24 |
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| szaher | m3m0 sorry I was in the bathroom :) | 14:32 |
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| m3m0 | szaher: any updates for the agent refactoring? and BaaS? | 14:35 |
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| szaher | Agent refactoring I think is ready upstream, so needs to be review and if Ok let's merge it | 14:35 |
| szaher | #info agent refactoring #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319182 | 14:36 |
| szaher | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319182 | 14:36 |
| m3m0 | cool :) thanks | 14:36 |
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| szaher | #info BaaS: The basic requirement (integrating freezer-api with oslo.policy) for this is done. we need to review what is still needed to move on. We can do this in an offline discussion | 14:37 |
| m3m0 | agree on that | 14:38 |
| m3m0 | and for the next topics we need daemontool | 14:38 |
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| m3m0 | if there isn't anything else, can we close the meeting? | 14:47 |
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| yangyape_ | sure | 14:47 |
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| m3m0 | #endmeeting | 14:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 18 14:48:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-08-18-14.00.html | 14:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-08-18-14.00.txt | 14:48 |
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| bswartz | ¬_¬ | 14:59 |
| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 18 15:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| rraja | hi | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| tbarron|afk | hi | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | hey o/ | 15:00 |
| tovchinnikova | o/ | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| dsariel | hi | 15:00 |
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| xyang2 | hi | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| bswartz | feature proposal freeze is TODAY! | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | new features proposed after 2359 UTC will get -2 for newton | 15:01 |
| bswartz | everything for newton should be in gerrit and with +1 from jenkins by tonight | 15:02 |
| bswartz | feature freeze is R-5, between Aug 29-Sep 02 (basically as soon as we can merge all the features) | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | #topic Driver private data admin API | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | no name next to this... | 15:04 |
| cknight | bswartz: I can lead it | 15:04 |
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| * bswartz grumbles nad looks into the wiki history | 15:04 | |
| cknight | This is the new API to retrieve private driver share data | 15:04 |
| bswartz | thanks cknight | 15:04 |
| cknight | The first question is whether this should be in the REST API or in manila-manage | 15:04 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:04 |
| cknight | It's admin only, for debugging purposes. | 15:05 |
| bswartz | there are testing use cases for it too | 15:05 |
| xyang2 | cknight: we already talked about that question before | 15:05 |
| cknight | bswartz: True, and that argues for a REST API | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | debugging and testing doesn't seem like a valid need for an API | 15:05 |
| cknight | gouthamr: why not? | 15:05 |
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| gouthamr | this particular API defeats the point of abstraction imho | 15:06 |
| tbarron | the counterarg is that it is needed for tempest? | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | if you start being able to see what drivers do how they do, what's the point? :s | 15:06 |
| bswartz | well the same testing use cases could be addressed with database queries | 15:06 |
| toabctl | gouthamr, I agree. for testing and debugging, you can access the db directly | 15:06 |
| tbarron | for debug & manual testing one doesn't need rest, right? | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | toabctl: +1 | 15:06 |
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| gouthamr | if we really do need to validate, maybe provide a way to access the database.. not an API, not even admin facing.. | 15:07 |
| bswartz | xyang2: I know we've covered this topic before but I don't remember the conclusion, do you? | 15:07 |
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| ganso | gouthamr: +1 | 15:07 |
| xyang2 | last time when we talked about this, only Valeriy had strong objections | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | cknight xyang2: any reservations using manila-manage? | 15:08 |
| xyang2 | he has since changed his vote so it allows us to move forward with REST API | 15:08 |
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| ganso | bswartz: I remember we decided to use manila-manage | 15:08 |
| bswartz | I can support manila-manage for this | 15:08 |
| cknight | gouthamr: would that still support white-box Tempest tests? | 15:08 |
| xyang2 | why after so many rounds of addressing review comments, go back to the beginning now | 15:08 |
| tbarron | cknight: yeah, that's the question i think | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | cknight: we need a way to invoke manila-manage via tempest.. | 15:08 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:08 |
| bswartz | cknight: if we do manila-manage then there's no tempest test because there's no API | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | xyang2: every round of my review has the question in it | 15:09 |
| gouthamr | :) | 15:09 |
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| toabctl | xyang2, the process is not ideal, I agree | 15:09 |
| bswartz | we'd have to cover it with "functional" tests | 15:09 |
| toabctl | but it's also not an argument to add it. | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | xyang2: you're still in favor of REST API for this? | 15:09 |
| toabctl | bswartz, why do you want a tempest test for driver private data? what would that test do? | 15:09 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: yes | 15:10 |
| tbarron | so we're saying use manila-manage instead and get coverage in functional tests rather than tempest, right? | 15:10 |
| cknight | toabctl: it would enable white-box tests to ensure the driver was storing what it should | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | yes.. i'm not opposed to testing this, thoroughly, but REST API isn't an answer... | 15:10 |
| bswartz | toabctl: vendor black box testing would want to know what the driver set for the private metadata | 15:10 |
| bswartz | cknight: s/white/black/ | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | you can easily write a script to invoke manila-manage from your white box "tempest" tests if that's your goal | 15:10 |
| tbarron | s/white/black/ and tempest should be black, right? | 15:11 |
| toabctl | bswartz, cknight then we should make every DB model accessable via a rest api | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: tempest is emphatically white box tests | 15:11 |
| bswartz | tempest knows nothing of the driver or what it does under the covers -- tempest only tests the external API surface | 15:12 |
| tbarron | bswartz: that's what i meant to be saying too, may have inverted my colors | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | there's a legitimate issue with testing of this feature if we do add a REST API which is that you can't write a reasonable test without knowing what the driver is doing | 15:12 |
| bswartz | oh wait | 15:12 |
| bswartz | DAMNIT | 15:12 |
| tbarron | :) | 15:12 |
| bswartz | I'm getting my white and black mixed up | 15:13 |
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| tbarron | anyways, tempest deals w/ behavior and not internal mechanisms | 15:13 |
| ganso | bswartz: got to apply a negative filter | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | lol | 15:13 |
| bswartz | yes please reverse all my white/black comments | 15:13 |
| cknight | bswartz: black tests matter | 15:13 |
| bswartz | blackbox is what tempest does, which is only testing the outside API and not knowing the inside | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | whitebox is what downstream vendors do, where they test the internals of their driver and storage controller | 15:14 |
| gouthamr | and tempest is just the vehicle | 15:14 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: if I get my way tempest won't be the vehicle much longer | 15:15 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz: yes.. :P | 15:15 |
| bswartz | but let's avoid that rathole | 15:15 |
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| tbarron | xyang2: could you get the coverage you need with functional teests and manila-manage? | 15:15 |
| bswartz | okay so back to the topic at hand | 15:15 |
| xyang2 | tbarron: functional tests? | 15:16 |
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| tbarron | yeah | 15:16 |
| bswartz | the proposal on the table is to implement the driver private share data as a manila-manage command, and not to add any REST APIs or tempest tests | 15:16 |
| xyang2 | tbarron: manila functional tests are tempest tests | 15:16 |
| xyang2 | tbarron: sorry I didn't get what you meant | 15:16 |
| bswartz | we've discussed this before, and it seems that support has grown for the manila-manage approach | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | who has a link to the current patch? | 15:17 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315346/ | 15:17 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: manila-manage should be just for db migrations | 15:17 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: at least in Cinder that is what we are trying to do | 15:18 |
| tbarron | xyang2: sorry, learning my way around, i thought we were going to do something between unit and tempest, but I was in cinder context I guess | 15:18 |
| bswartz | well cinder doesn't have this feature, so it's not a great comparison | 15:18 |
| xyang2 | tbarron: np, we are using different terms | 15:18 |
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| toabctl | I'm not for manila-manage but against another rest api. xyang2 why can't you just so something via the manila rest api and then access the db with whatever mechanism you want to test the result? | 15:19 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: Cinder has other commands that are not db migrate | 15:19 |
| bswartz | you could just as well argue that cinder-manage/manila-manage are just for admin-only-db-things | 15:19 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: we talked about they should go away | 15:19 |
| toabctl | s/so/do/ | 15:19 |
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| toabctl | xyang2, to access the db during your tests, you can use sqlalchemy or even the mysql http plugin to have a DB rest api. | 15:20 |
| xyang2 | toabctl: well, tempests test should use REST API | 15:20 |
| bswartz | toabctl: you're arguing for dropping this whole patch and blueprint | 15:20 |
| toabctl | bswartz, hm. I think yes | 15:20 |
| xyang2 | toabctl: for tempest to access DB directly is wrong | 15:21 |
| bswartz | xyang2: no, proper tempest test would never look at the values returned by the API because tempest doesn't know driver specific stuff | 15:21 |
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| toabctl | xyang2, see bswartz answer | 15:21 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: so proper tempest should check db directly? | 15:21 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: how does it know what to check | 15:21 |
| bswartz | if we added an API we would need to cover it with tempest tests, but that puts us in a bind because we don't know how to write those | 15:21 |
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| toabctl | xyang2, if that is for downstream tempest tests (as written in the commit message) you can create an extra tempest plugin and do whatever you want there (also access the db directly) | 15:22 |
| bswartz | I feel bad now because xyang and accelazh have been working on this since May and we're still arguing about the right way to do it | 15:23 |
| bswartz | however I'm inclined to agree with toabctl | 15:23 |
| * toabctl feels bad, too | 15:23 | |
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| xyang2 | I wish Valeriy has not removed -2 or someone else has put -2 on it earlier, rather than say it now | 15:24 |
| toabctl | but adding another API for testing sound just wrong. | 15:24 |
| bswartz | yeah | 15:24 |
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| xyang2 | done, abandoned | 15:24 |
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| xyang2 | If anyone has such a strong opinion, please put -2 on it earlier | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | xyang2: sorry this didn't get addressed earlier | 15:25 |
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| gouthamr | i'm sorry, i thought my -1s were not addressed.. | 15:25 |
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| toabctl | xyang2, yes. sorry for that. | 15:25 |
| xyang2 | that's what -2 is for | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | I suspect we have a lot of problem of this type where ideas are proposed and someone is opposed but doesn't provide feedback | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | it's something we should work on as a community | 15:26 |
| bswartz | because the result is wasted time for the contributor and reviewers | 15:27 |
| xyang2 | there is difference between -1 and -2. If you think it can't be merged at all, please use your core right | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | your point is well taken xyang2 | 15:27 |
| bswartz | we have 2 other topics though so I'll move on | 15:27 |
| bswartz | #topic Scenario tests are broken | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | #link http://logs.openstack.org/86/309286/34/check/gate-manila-tempest-dsvm-scenario/610f96e/console.html | 15:28 |
| bswartz | no name again | 15:28 |
| ganso | bswartz: me | 15:28 |
| bswartz | wiki history says ganso | 15:28 |
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| ganso | just pointing out that something broke scenario tests. I tried to look at recently merged gerrit changes, but haven't found a suspect | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | ganso: how recently? | 15:29 |
| ganso | so it could be other project's commit | 15:29 |
| bswartz | and is it consistent or random? | 15:29 |
| ganso | bswartz: consistent | 15:29 |
| ganso | bswartz: Aug 16th it was working | 15:29 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:29 |
| ganso | I submitted a patch on Aug 16th, and it ran ok | 15:29 |
| bswartz | ganso are you looking at it? | 15:29 |
| bswartz | do we need others to jump in an help too? | 15:29 |
| ganso | I need it running to validate migration patches | 15:30 |
| bswartz | if the gate is broken it will make it hard to achieve the deadline of +1 from jenkins by tonight | 15:30 |
| ganso | scenario job has a migration tempest tests | 15:30 |
| ganso | bswartz: gate is not broken, just scenario job | 15:30 |
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| ganso | it is non-voting | 15:30 |
| ganso | I am not investing effort to implement a fix myself right now | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | okay well it should be voting | 15:31 |
| ganso | I still have to update my patches | 15:31 |
| bswartz | that's something else to fix | 15:31 |
| ganso | bswartz: Valeriy was trying to improve its run time before making it voting | 15:31 |
| bswartz | anyone have bandwidth to investigate failing scenario tests? | 15:32 |
| ganso | bswartz: it hasn't improved much | 15:32 |
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| ganso | bswartz: and still fails from time to time | 15:32 |
| bswartz | ganso: I'm working on that too, but it's on backburner | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | okay I get that everyone is working on stuff for the feature freeze, but failing tests are important | 15:33 |
| bswartz | if this is caused by some other project's commit, then we can expect more of the same kind of problems in the next 2 weeks | 15:33 |
| bswartz | if we want any features to get in we need to be quick about tracking down tests failures and fixing them | 15:33 |
| ganso | after I update my patches, I may sacrifice review time to try to debug and fix it, which if nobody does I will have to do it in the end. | 15:34 |
| bswartz | normally vponomaryov is our hero on these kinds of problems, but he's out for another 11 days | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | okay last topic | 15:35 |
| ganso | the Joker usually wreaks havoc while Batman is on vacation | 15:35 |
| bswartz | #topic Revert to snapshot | 15:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Revert to snapshot (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:35 | |
| bswartz | ganso: yep | 15:35 |
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| markstur | ganso, Does that make you Robin? | 15:35 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340502/ | 15:35 |
| ganso | markstur: lol definitely not | 15:36 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356682/ | 15:36 |
| cknight | So we have discussed revert-to-snapshot before, and some review feedback has pointed out that there should be a required extra spec for that to enable us to preserve that attribute on the share and check for it in the API layer. | 15:36 |
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| cknight | In considering that, we realized that 'snapshot_support' is overloaded. | 15:36 |
| cknight | It has always meant that a driver can 1) create snapshots, and 2) create shares from snapshots. | 15:36 |
| bswartz | so the revert to snapshot is a "small" "major" feature which has been hanging around waiting for reviews for a while | 15:36 |
| cknight | So before we add new snapshot semantics, we have to fix this overload, because there will be drivers that can create snapshots but not create new shares from them. | 15:36 |
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| cknight | We have code up that does this (#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356682/), with associated Tempest work underway. | 15:36 |
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| cknight | The revert-to-snapshot patch is now atop the aforementioned one (#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340502/), again with needed Tempest work in progress. | 15:37 |
| bswartz | yeah it was recently we realized nobody had broken apart the snapshot-support and create-share-from-snapshot capabilities which we agreed to in Tokyo | 15:37 |
| cknight | Unfortunately, the mountable snapshots patch will also need to be rebased on this. | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | we didn't NEED to split them until we had either revert-to-snapshot or mountable-snapshots, and neither of those happened in mitaka | 15:37 |
| bswartz | so thanks to cknight for going ahead and doing the split now | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | it's a surprising large change because it affects most existing drivers | 15:38 |
| cknight | bswartz: glad to do it, and I had help from gouthamr | 15:38 |
| bswartz | it's fairly easy to review though because all of the driver changes are 1 or 2 liners | 15:39 |
| bswartz | is tpsilva here? | 15:39 |
| tpsilva | yep | 15:39 |
| bswartz | tpsilva: you plan to rebase on top of this right? | 15:40 |
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| tpsilva | bswartz: yes, working on it | 15:40 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:40 |
| bswartz | only other thing is to support this in first party drivers | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov plans to add ZFS support for this, I'll do LVM | 15:40 |
| cknight | tpsilva: I tried to design the code & unit tests so your new snapshot semantic would slot in pretty easily | 15:41 |
| cknight | tpsilva: holler if you have questions | 15:41 |
| ganso | bswartz: you mean revert or mountable? | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | ganso: revert | 15:41 |
| tpsilva | cknight: okay, I'm just finishing up some of the -1's before rebasing | 15:41 |
| bswartz | ganso: I could add mountable snapshot support to LVM too if nobody is doing it | 15:41 |
| ganso | tpsilva: you still have tempest and LVM to go, right? | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | ganso: no guarantee on a timeline for that though | 15:42 |
| tpsilva | ganso: yes | 15:42 |
| ganso | bswartz: wouldn't those have to be up by today? | 15:42 |
| bswartz | ganso: for revert it will be | 15:42 |
| ganso | bswartz: or are you including in the same patch? | 15:42 |
| ganso | bswartz: oh, ok | 15:42 |
| bswartz | I was going to ammend cknight's patch | 15:42 |
| bswartz | it's easier to test as 1 patch | 15:43 |
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| bswartz | the main reason I put this topic on the agenda is because we want drivers authors to review cknight's patch as it affects all existing drivers | 15:44 |
| bswartz | make sure the new capability being advertised is correct, and if not, fix it | 15:44 |
| bswartz | it will now be possible to support snapshots without also supporting create-share-from-snapshot | 15:44 |
| bswartz | and we know of some drivers which have that restriction, so those will be able to add snapshot_support=True | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:45 |
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| ganso | bswartz: I suspect some driver require more drastic changes | 15:45 |
| tbarron | i've been reading it and it looks good so far, waiting for the outstanding tempest stuff | 15:45 |
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| ganso | bswartz: like, ceph driver, IIRC | 15:45 |
| ganso | bswartz: it had snapshot_support disabled because it could not support create_from_snapshot | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | ganso: yes, but I'd rather have the driver maintainer support those patches rather than cknight | 15:46 |
| tbarron | i will follow up with jcsp and rraja | 15:46 |
| bswartz | s/support/submit/ | 15:46 |
| ganso | bswartz: I assume separate patches won't be accept after today | 15:47 |
| bswartz | cknight's patch just preserves the existing behavior after the capability split | 15:47 |
| * tbarron thinks jcsp may be on vacation | 15:47 | |
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| rraja | i'll help out | 15:47 |
| bswartz | ganso: we can make exceptions for small things | 15:47 |
| tbarron | rraja: ++ | 15:47 |
| bswartz | if it's a 1 line to correct a capability then it's fine | 15:47 |
| bswartz | 1-liner | 15:47 |
| bswartz | if it's adding support for snapshots where none existed before, that should wait for ocata | 15:48 |
| * tbarron thinks it would be a bug that the capability is reported wrongly :) | 15:48 | |
| ganso | bswartz: 1-liner could be included in cknight's I guess. But "more drastic" as I said, would be left out | 15:48 |
| bswartz | any other topics? | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: yes.. | 15:48 |
| cknight | ganso: yes, I'm glad to make trivial updates during the review process | 15:49 |
| bswartz | cknight: as long as the driver maintainer is involved | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | so, if you see the patch - you'll see the capability is called "create_share_from_snapshot_support" - that's a mouthful | 15:49 |
| gouthamr | I was hoping someone here has a better name for it | 15:49 |
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| cknight | gouthamr: +1, the long name is crystal clear, but it makes for some ugly code wrapping | 15:50 |
| bswartz | cknight +1 | 15:50 |
| bswartz | I like the self-documenting name | 15:50 |
| tpsilva | maybe we could drop the 'support' from it | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | i proposed "clonable" -> but bswartz and cknight say that it is suggestive of a potential feature that we may have down the road | 15:50 |
| bswartz | but if it's too long for pep8 then that's a problem | 15:50 |
| cknight | *would be very glad to increase the 80-character limit* | 15:51 |
| bswartz | tpsilva: I think the _support suffix is essential and fits with the existing snapshot_support capability | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | yeah, i'd hate to misspell it. | 15:51 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: add bash completion for manila then... | 15:51 |
| tbarron | we already have DHSS, how about CSFS | 15:51 |
| * bswartz barfs | 15:51 | |
| ganso | tbarron: lol | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: we don't have DHSS | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | :D | 15:51 |
| tpsilva | I like clonable, it fits perfectly with mountable and revertable | 15:51 |
| * tbarron doesn't like acronyms but there are reasons they exist | 15:52 | |
| ganso | gouthamr: not officially | 15:52 |
| tbarron | it's not a clone though | 15:52 |
| tbarron | you are makiing one thing from another | 15:52 |
| toabctl | can_create_share_from_snapshot | 15:52 |
| tbarron | one kind of thing from another | 15:52 |
| tpsilva | tbarron: you're right | 15:52 |
| bswartz | IMO, "clone" means create-share-from-share | 15:52 |
| tbarron | bswartz: +1 | 15:52 |
| bswartz | and a snapshot may or may not be involved | 15:53 |
| bswartz | it's a feature cinder has that I think we should copy, but it's never been very important | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | i wish it were "snapshottable", "clonable", "mountable", "revertible" | 15:53 |
| tbarron | and if it's involved it should be as behind-the-scences mechanism | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | yeah, something better than "clonable" in this case then | 15:53 |
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| cknight | clonable_from_snapshot ? | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | :D | 15:54 |
| tpsilva | CSFSble | 15:54 |
| bswartz | okay well let's not debate this one forever -- if someone has feedback on this topic please take it to the review | 15:54 |
| ganso | cknight: but then are you cloning a snapshot to create another snapshot? | 15:54 |
| bswartz | clone_from_snapshot_support? | 15:54 |
| ganso | bswartz: same as above ^ | 15:54 |
| * bswartz -1s is own idea | 15:54 | |
| ganso | bswartz: lol | 15:54 |
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| bswartz | I suspect we may have to just shake our fists at the PEP8 gods and stick with the long name here | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | if it's too painful inside the code we could use an abbreviated variable name | 15:56 |
| bswartz | but keep the full name for the API | 15:56 |
| bswartz | any late things? | 15:56 |
| bswartz | we're almost out of time | 15:56 |
| bswartz | okay thanks everyone | 15:56 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 18 15:57:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-08-18-15.00.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-08-18-15.00.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-08-18-15.00.log.html | 15:57 |
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| vgridnev | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 18 18:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
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| egafford | o/ | 18:00 |
| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:00 |
| vgridnev | o/ | 18:01 |
| raissa | o/ | 18:01 |
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| tosky | hi | 18:02 |
| mionkin_ | Hi | 18:02 |
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| esikachev | hi | 18:02 |
| vgridnev | #topic News / updates | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 18:03 | |
| egafford | Not a ton of progress this week I fear; lot of internal release prep stuff. I do have a shared resource model that I like for the image gen CLI now, though. | 18:03 |
| tellesnobrega | o/ | 18:04 |
| mionkin_ | I added Kafka in CDH 5.5 and 5.7 in Sahara and sahara elements (patches are on review), also working on fixing ci jobs in sahara and updating grenade job with new CLI calls (patch is on review) | 18:04 |
| vgridnev | trying to finish kerberos implementation; internal stuff around testing sahara . | 18:04 |
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| vgridnev | also some preparations around N3 release, and so on | 18:04 |
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| esikachev | working on finxing sahara-ci(problem with cinder+ceph) | 18:05 |
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| tosky | working on importing the last bits of tests not in sahara-tests | 18:06 |
| vgridnev | tosky, is going to be done today with Sergey? | 18:06 |
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| tosky | vgridnev: we agreed on working on it later; I will be online till late | 18:06 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm looking on the patches right now | 18:06 |
| vgridnev | ok, cool | 18:06 |
| tosky | at least the import, than we need to have the "allows merges" review approved by infra | 18:06 |
| vgridnev | SergeyLukjanov, hei | 18:07 |
| tosky | then I can push the merge patches, and then I can push the WIP review to move the code to the right place :) | 18:07 |
| vgridnev | #topic Summit preparations: Episode 1 | 18:08 |
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| tosky | (I prefer when it start from Episode IV, but...) | 18:09 |
| vgridnev | so, we need to understand how many fishbowls, workrooms we need | 18:09 |
| egafford | tosky: I felt like someone was going to go there, and gave it pretty good odds of being you. ;) | 18:09 |
| egafford | Our fishbowls were pretty sparsely attended last time. | 18:10 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ++ for starting from ep. IV (much better karma) | 18:10 |
| vgridnev | so, I thinking that something around previous values is good (probably we can take smaller values). we did discussions of EDP, Horizon, Tests, API, Release models, Image generations | 18:11 |
| egafford | I think that those continue to be our broad areas of concern. | 18:12 |
| vgridnev | + contributors meetup (halfday) | 18:12 |
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| vgridnev | so, last time we had 2fb, 6wr, cm:half, so I think we can take probably 6-7 workrooms | 18:14 |
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| egafford | Yeah, I'm uncertain that we need any fishbowls. | 18:14 |
| egafford | Depends on the workroom size I guess, but they've always been big enough. | 18:15 |
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| vgridnev | ok, thanks folks on feedback, I will send request soon | 18:15 |
| vgridnev | #topic Newton 3 release: features status | 18:16 |
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| vgridnev | since today, we have 2 weeks to complete feature without FFE, + around 2 weeks before RC1 | 18:17 |
| egafford | The image gen CLI abstraction is totally usable and has no plugin implemetations yet. I think ambari is nearly done, and the others will be easier because they use a lot of shared resources and framework, but testing will tell. | 18:18 |
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| vgridnev | so I want to be sure that everything that we need is landed; let's track features at etherpad | 18:19 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-review-priorities | 18:19 |
| vgridnev | I'm inviting assignees to complete this etherpad | 18:19 |
| tosky | I couldn't check them, but shouldn't we include also the changes for pagination (unless the last patch I've seen was merged)? | 18:20 |
| vgridnev | egafford, I think that we can grant FFE for image generation, since it doesn't touch provisioning part a lot | 18:20 |
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| vgridnev | tosky, I'll include that to etherpad, the only change that we need is a dashboard | 18:21 |
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| egafford | vgridnev: Yeah, it's very safe, especially if we don't enable the validation piece (which is completely possible, per plugin.) | 18:22 |
| egafford | Just adding the get_image_argument and pack_image methods has literally zero impact on the sahara service. | 18:22 |
| vgridnev | on plugins api there are few dashboard changes which have to be landed | 18:23 |
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| vgridnev | that also will help us to find right change to review | 18:23 |
| vgridnev | ok, next topic | 18:23 |
| vgridnev | #topic CI status | 18:24 |
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| vgridnev | esikachev, it's your time. Actually I know that most probably we will have kind of unstable but working of CI version tomorrow; there were some issues around ceph + cinder integration | 18:25 |
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| esikachev | yes, we have a problem with cinder+ceph, as workaround we try to use LVM as backand for cinder | 18:26 |
| esikachev | devops tell me that this method was unstable | 18:27 |
| esikachev | *told | 18:27 |
| esikachev | now, 42 lab uses LVM | 18:27 |
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| esikachev | i plan reinstall ubuntu on 42-43 labs on xenial in the next weeks | 18:28 |
| vgridnev | additionally, since N3 is coming, we need to have a plan how changes can be merged if CI is not working well. I'll delegate some engineers ( mionkin, mikhail) to perform manual tests of changes. Fairly we don't have large features which can potentially break everything | 18:28 |
| vgridnev | what do you think team? | 18:29 |
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| esikachev | maybe, we can add some gate temporary jobs? | 18:29 |
| tosky | manual tests for each changes (so for each backend) is... heavy | 18:29 |
| esikachev | for example spark, vanilla | 18:29 |
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| vgridnev | esikachev, I'm not quite that it will be working well. | 18:30 |
| tosky | if only nested virtualization was enabled and reliable on the main gates... | 18:30 |
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| vgridnev | So, current fake plugin tests are running with 2 very small vms | 18:31 |
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| esikachev | let's check it on testcommits in sahara-tests | 18:31 |
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| vgridnev | esikachev, how to upload vanilla image to node where tests are performed? | 18:32 |
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| vgridnev | wget from sahara-files is not good idea | 18:33 |
| esikachev | :( | 18:33 |
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| vgridnev | the only problem with that approach is that we have A LOT of mapr changes that have to be tested | 18:35 |
| vgridnev | the current list | 18:35 |
| vgridnev | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:groghkov%2540maprtech.com+status:open | 18:35 |
| vgridnev | ops, there is one change to manila | 18:35 |
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| esikachev | vgridnev: we can temporary add some filters for jobs for mapr plugin | 18:37 |
| esikachev | on sahara-cu | 18:37 |
| esikachev | ci | 18:37 |
| tosky | esikachev: just to be sure: devops told you that the current configuration (cinder on LVM), is this the current configuration which still fails, or is this instability just going to happen from time to time? | 18:38 |
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| esikachev | this configuration killed lab for 2-3 days | 18:39 |
| esikachev | for example, kernel panic | 18:39 |
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| tosky | oh, I see | 18:39 |
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| vgridnev | but it was cycles ago, so probably something was changed | 18:39 |
| esikachev | yep | 18:39 |
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| tosky | but is it the configuration which is enabled now then? | 18:40 |
| esikachev | yes, on one devstack | 18:40 |
| vgridnev | so, I think that we can accept manual tests for some exceptions (like code that touches only cdh plugin or ambari). In many cases like around provisioning, it's enough to perform tests on fake plugin | 18:42 |
| vgridnev | at least | 18:42 |
| esikachev | ok | 18:42 |
| vgridnev | egafford, what do you think about my last statement? | 18:42 |
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| vgridnev | egafford seems to be afk | 18:44 |
| egafford | Sorry; mildly distracted. | 18:45 |
| tosky | esikachev: is there any hope in fixing the issues with ceph and restoring the previous state? Are the current failures mostly (or just) due to timeout because of cinder on LVM? | 18:45 |
| egafford | Hm... this is really tricky. | 18:45 |
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| egafford | I suppose I think that realistically, we won't be able to sustain development without functioning CI, and also that we know that from time to time in extreme circumstances we need to stop listening to CI that's too broken. | 18:47 |
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| esikachev | tosky: if cinder+lvm are going to work bad i will reinstall ubuntu and restore cinder+ceph | 18:47 |
| tosky | ok | 18:47 |
| egafford | So I guess I think that making a policy of "these are the circumstances under which we ignore CI" is nearly doomed; it's always going to be a mix of time pressure and the test halo impact of the change. | 18:48 |
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| egafford | I tend to agree that on plugin-specific changes, it can be okay to approve with manual testing; I actually really dislike the idea of approving core changes using only the fake plugin. | 18:49 |
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| egafford | That works in a model in which vendors are supporting their own plugins and maintaining (like Cinder); I don't think it works very well here. Our plugins are ours, and they are the application; if they're low-quality, so are we. | 18:50 |
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| egafford | Does that make sense? | 18:50 |
| vgridnev | So, we can discuss each possible exception of approving without CI on core changes | 18:51 |
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| egafford | That'd be my suggestion, yeah. | 18:52 |
| tosky | yep | 18:52 |
| egafford | Evaluate the risk. | 18:52 |
| esikachev | vgridnev: maybe try to disale cinder volumes in scenario yaml files? | 18:52 |
| esikachev | mapr use ephemeral drive | 18:52 |
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| vgridnev | esikachev, that makes sense. We can create copies for templates but without volumes) | 18:53 |
| tellesnobrega | im with egafford on this, evaluate each case on core changes | 18:54 |
| vgridnev | Or we can create a commit that will be removed later | 18:54 |
| vgridnev | reverted* | 18:54 |
| vgridnev | I like a variant with copy of templates (with -volumes suffix) | 18:55 |
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| vgridnev | tosky, what do you think about that ^^ ? | 18:56 |
| vgridnev | be default we will not tests with volumes. Probably not all users can use volumes | 18:57 |
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| vgridnev | so, 3 mins left | 18:57 |
| tosky | uhm, yeah, we should maybe think a way to not duplicate all the contents of the yamls | 18:58 |
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| vgridnev | we can continue discussing on openstack-sahara. thanks everyone for attending! | 18:59 |
| vgridnev | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 18 18:59:20 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-08-18-18.00.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-08-18-18.00.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-08-18-18.00.log.html | 18:59 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks | 18:59 |
| esikachev | thanks | 18:59 |
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