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| zhusz | #startmeeting freezer | 08:55 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 25 08:55:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhusz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:55 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 25 08:56:20 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-08-25-08.55.html | 08:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-08-25-08.55.txt | 08:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-08-25-08.55.log.html | 08:56 |
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| IgorYozhikov | o/ | 13:00 |
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| number80 | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 25 13:01:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is number80. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:01 |
| number80 | #topic roll call | 13:01 |
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| number80 | o/ | 13:01 |
| jpena | o/ | 13:01 |
| toabctl | hi | 13:01 |
| number80 | #chair IgorYozhikov jpena toabctl jruzicka | 13:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov jpena jruzicka number80 toabctl | 13:01 |
| number80 | agenda is here | 13:01 |
| number80 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:01 |
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| jruzicka | o/ | 13:02 |
| number80 | let's start | 13:02 |
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| number80 | #topic python3/renderspec | 13:02 |
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| number80 | IgorYozhikov: ? | 13:03 |
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| IgorYozhikov | number80, I wrote my thoughts and want to discuss them | 13:03 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging-python3-renderspec | 13:04 |
| IgorYozhikov | We can discuss topics from etherpad 1 by 1 | 13:04 |
| jruzicka | yeah please go on | 13:05 |
| jruzicka | I don't have enough context to just answer inline | 13:05 |
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| number80 | Having done a fair amount of python3 packaging, I think this is something that could be fully automated | 13:05 |
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| number80 | the only blocker is that we have no good rpm spec file parser | 13:06 |
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| IgorYozhikov | jruzicka, dirk 2 weeks ago informed us about possibility of py3 usage in openstack starting from O release | 13:06 |
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| jruzicka | number80, what for? | 13:06 |
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| jruzicka | rdopkg has some codez to modify .spec, spec-cleaner also parses it | 13:07 |
| number80 | jruzicka: you need to be able to manipulate concepts like subpackages and stuff | 13:07 |
| number80 | no parser does that | 13:07 |
| jruzicka | oh, so a real parser | 13:07 |
| number80 | yes | 13:07 |
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| jruzicka | not a piece of hacked crap | 13:07 |
| toabctl | number80, we could go the other way and regenerate the spec always from a template. then you don't need a parser | 13:08 |
| number80 | if you look AIO packages, it basically duplicating subpackages | 13:08 |
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| number80 | toabctl: we'd still need that, we have this requirement of one source == one package | 13:09 |
| number80 | *source package | 13:09 |
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| jruzicka | I'm quite unsure howto proceed here | 13:09 |
| number80 | it ensures that you don't package different versions of same sources | 13:09 |
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| jruzicka | toabctl wants to implement {{ requires }} macro to generate all | 13:09 |
| jruzicka | and handle irregularities with override configs | 13:10 |
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| number80 | that would work for me | 13:10 |
| toabctl | that's my current pain point when I need to update packages... | 13:10 |
| jruzicka | problem is howto distribute deps between subpackages | 13:10 |
| IgorYozhikov | jruzicka, this requires macro - what will it do? | 13:10 |
| toabctl | jruzicka, with a config file (could be a global one and then, if needed, one per spec) | 13:10 |
| jruzicka | and howto corretly override projects that don't follow conventions and all the special cases | 13:11 |
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| toabctl | jruzicka, the good thing in openstack is that there are not so much special cases. if we get 90% automated we did a huge step forward imo | 13:11 |
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| jruzicka | IgorYozhikov, basically generate {Build,}Requires from tarball | 13:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | from req and test-reqs? | 13:11 |
| number80 | I think it works fine for oslo libs and clients | 13:11 |
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| jruzicka | toabctl, agreed but I still think supporting mixed approach between full automation and what we have now | 13:12 |
| number80 | but services will not work with that macros due to splitting | 13:12 |
| toabctl | yep. | 13:12 |
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| toabctl | but if we can first automate oslo + clients that would be imo reat | 13:12 |
| number80 | but well, it doesn't hurt having such macro and use it when it makes sense | 13:12 |
| toabctl | jruzicka, btw I started this morning https://github.com/toabctl/metaextract | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | jruzicka, toabctl if you remember I showed you auto-generation from reqs files | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | a couple of months ago | 13:13 |
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| jruzicka | number80, yeah I'm all for that, just not sure that we want to have only that macro and oboslete current way | 13:13 |
| jruzicka | IOW I'd rather have the extra metadata about special cases directly in the .spec.j2 | 13:13 |
| jruzicka | as opposed to some magical config for the {{ requires }} macro(s) | 13:13 |
| IgorYozhikov | and we use py3 in our version of renderspec-deb | 13:13 |
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| toabctl | jruzicka, fine for me | 13:14 |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, you mean renderspec runs on py3 or it creates py2 specs? | 13:14 |
| jruzicka | IgorYozhikov, wait you have a tool to convert the .spec to .deb? :D | 13:14 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, not all projects use req-files. some use setup.cfg to define requirements and extras_require | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, yep runs on py3 | 13:15 |
| IgorYozhikov | and created deb/controls for both py2 and py3 | 13:15 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, I think renderspec is able to run with py3, too. and if not it should be easy to fix it. | 13:15 |
| toabctl | ah.ok | 13:15 |
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| jruzicka | is it somewhere public? | 13:15 |
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| IgorYozhikov | toabctl I believe has access | 13:16 |
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| IgorYozhikov | let me check | 13:16 |
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| IgorYozhikov | https://review.fuel-infra.org/gitweb?p=packaging%2Frenderspec-deb.git;a=summary | 13:16 |
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| IgorYozhikov | jruzicka, ^^^^^ | 13:16 |
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| jruzicka | Not Found | 13:17 |
| jruzicka | for me | 13:17 |
| IgorYozhikov | yep | 13:17 |
| IgorYozhikov | you need login 1st | 13:17 |
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| jruzicka | anyway, I'm just glad to know such thing exists | 13:17 |
| toabctl | anyway - should we go back to the etherpad points? | 13:17 |
| number80 | yes | 13:17 |
| jruzicka | let's continue | 13:17 |
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| number80 | #topic mock hardcoded options for tmpfs | 13:17 |
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| number80 | IgorYozhikov: ? | 13:17 |
| IgorYozhikov | ye | 13:17 |
| IgorYozhikov | I found that hard coded self.optArgs = ['-o', 'nr_inodes=0'] doesn't work on u16.04 | 13:18 |
| IgorYozhikov | mount -t tmpfs -o mode=0755 -o nr_inodes=0 -o size=1g mock_chroot_tmpfs /mnt/ | 13:18 |
| IgorYozhikov | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on mock_chroot_tmpfs, | 13:18 |
| IgorYozhikov | missing codepage or helper program, or other error | 13:18 |
| IgorYozhikov | this is not critical but very annoying | 13:19 |
| IgorYozhikov | code here https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/mock.git/commit/?h=mock-1.2.14&id=de710c5b7d3a4e563c372a796f5305fa9cf17241 | 13:19 |
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| number80 | IgorYozhikov: I think you can submit a patch to msuchy to allow mock usage on other distros | 13:20 |
| number80 | not sure this is relevant to that meeting but we can discuss this | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok | 13:20 |
| number80 | let's move to the next topic | 13:21 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes | 13:21 |
| number80 | #topic reviews: pymod2pkg | 13:21 |
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| number80 | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/pymod2pkg+status:open | 13:21 |
| jruzicka | (None) | 13:21 |
| number80 | we cleaned up the queue, toabctl has submitted a new release | 13:22 |
| toabctl | has anybody requested a new release? | 13:22 |
| toabctl | I didn't | 13:22 |
| number80 | toabctl: ok, I'll take care of that then | 13:22 |
| toabctl | number80, ok. thx | 13:22 |
| number80 | #action number80 request a new pymod2pkg release | 13:22 |
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| number80 | #topic reviews: renderspec | 13:23 |
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| number80 | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/renderspec+status:open | 13:23 |
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| number80 | any comments? | 13:23 |
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| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357733/ | 13:23 |
| jruzicka | first one still needs discussion :) | 13:23 |
| IgorYozhikov | looking | 13:23 |
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| IgorYozhikov | https://github.com/openstack/rpm-packaging/blob/master/openstack/python-neutronclient/python-neutronclient.spec.j2 | 13:24 |
| number80 | yeah, just giving a change to allow people to push for specific stalled reviews | 13:24 |
| number80 | IgorYozhikov: ? | 13:24 |
| number80 | (spec reviews are next, I left it explicitly at the end, since it's biggest chunk) | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | v 5.0.0 | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | Error: No Package found for python-neutronclient >= 5.1.0 | 13:25 |
| jruzicka | number80, nothing to discuss in renderspec, go on | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | number80, we need to update used as dependencies py*clients 1st | 13:25 |
| number80 | #topic reviews: specs | 13:26 |
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| number80 | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open | 13:26 |
| toabctl | I would abandon both renderspec review tbh | 13:26 |
| jruzicka | toabctl, me too :) | 13:26 |
| jruzicka | but we can leave them a little longer, wait for dirk... dunno | 13:27 |
| number80 | toabctl: we need to have a timeout policy for reviews | 13:27 |
| toabctl | yeah | 13:27 |
| toabctl | for both - dirk and timeout | 13:27 |
| toabctl | let's discuss the spec reviews | 13:27 |
| number80 | yep | 13:27 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, as I remember it there are no any movements for 2 weeks - core can merge with 1 +2 | 13:28 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, what's the problem with neutronclient other then a spec.j2 update is needed? | 13:28 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, for which review? | 13:28 |
| number80 | yes, I agree that we just need to update neutronclient | 13:28 |
| toabctl | there are plenty of updates needed - see http://toabctl.de/openstack/rpm-packaging-status-newton.html | 13:29 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, so which one has no progress that you want to merge? | 13:29 |
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| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, not now - I'm about policy, we discussed it more them half year ago | 13:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | s/them/than/ | 13:30 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, yeah. I'm still fine with that policy. but in my experience we usually response in 2 weeks at least on irc. | 13:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok, getting back to updates. about py*clients, please do not be swift with update of openstackclient | 13:31 |
| IgorYozhikov | I faced issue - https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1615988 | 13:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1615988 in python-openstackclient "[osclient v3.x.x]Default auth type is not detected in case when os-token and os-url is used " [High,In progress] - Assigned to Dean Troyer (dtroyer) | 13:31 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, please add these kind of comments to the corresponding review. that's much easier :-) | 13:32 |
| IgorYozhikov | 2.6.0 - latest working one | 13:32 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, btw we don't even have openstackclient in git iirc | 13:32 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, i c | 13:33 |
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| toabctl | it's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357733/ | 13:33 |
| number80 | IgorYozhikov: I added a -W until we update neutronclient | 13:33 |
| IgorYozhikov | number80, I saw, thanks | 13:33 |
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| toabctl | I think we can merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279477/ | 13:34 |
| number80 | ok, any specific review, you want to mention? | 13:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358816/ | 13:34 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk made comment about sphinx | 13:34 |
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| IgorYozhikov | does it means that we need to propose a patch to cliff directly? | 13:35 |
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| IgorYozhikov | and it is also mentioned here https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.txt#L351 | 13:35 |
| IgorYozhikov | sphinx>=1.2.1,!=1.3b1,<1.3 # BSD | 13:36 |
| * toabctl wonders what's special about cliff here...hm | 13:36 | |
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| jruzicka | toabctl bugs :) | 13:37 |
| jruzicka | special bugs I mean | 13:37 |
| IgorYozhikov | or I missed something | 13:37 |
| jruzicka | especially in 1.3b1 | 13:37 |
| toabctl | jruzicka, :) | 13:37 |
| jruzicka | :D | 13:37 |
| jruzicka | I'd see a history of that line and how it got there | 13:38 |
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| toabctl | jruzicka, I think the problem was pbr and the doc build feature. i tried to fix that month ago but the patch was not accepted iirc | 13:39 |
| number80 | I don't get why we need to patch cliff | 13:39 |
| toabctl | number80, I think we should try to get rid of the < 1.3. | 13:40 |
| toabctl | in the SUSE CI I think we use a newer version of sphinx. I wonder why that works with other packages... | 13:40 |
| number80 | toabctl: yes, but should happen in global-requirements | 13:40 |
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| toabctl | number80, yes | 13:40 |
| toabctl | oh. pbr supports now sphinx 1.4 | 13:40 |
| toabctl | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229951/ | 13:41 |
| number80 | toabctl: for now, can't we just fix our copy of requirements? | 13:41 |
| toabctl | number80, hm. that should work I guess | 13:41 |
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| IgorYozhikov | number80, you r now about - https://github.com/openstack/rpm-packaging/blob/master/global-requirements.txt right? | 13:42 |
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| number80 | IgorYozhikov: yes, I think we should temporarily override it (with a comment) | 13:43 |
| IgorYozhikov | number80, looks like it should work | 13:44 |
| number80 | toabctl: please add me as a reviewer for the g-r review, we should hurry to have this change accepted in newton | 13:44 |
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| toabctl | number80, the sphinx thing? | 13:44 |
| number80 | yes, we'll be freezing things soon | 13:44 |
| toabctl | number80, yeah. | 13:44 |
| IgorYozhikov | yey | 13:44 |
| number80 | #action toabctl to override sphinx upper bound in rpm packaging g-r copy :) | 13:46 |
| number80 | let's move on as everyone agreed on that | 13:46 |
| toabctl | well - IgorYozhikov - could you just add this to your changeset for cliff to see if that works? | 13:46 |
| number80 | any other specific review to peek on? | 13:46 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, what exactly do you want to be add? | 13:48 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, remove the <1.3 from Sphinx in out global-requirements.txt copy. | 13:48 |
| IgorYozhikov | oh, ok, will propose PR soon | 13:49 |
| number80 | I'd prefer a separate changeset as it's easier to grep it in git log | 13:49 |
| number80 | but that personal pref | 13:49 |
| toabctl | number80, ok | 13:49 |
| toabctl | then the cliff one can depend on the requirements one | 13:49 |
| toabctl | fine for me | 13:49 |
| IgorYozhikov | number80, I can do it for test and remove after without merge | 13:49 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, we can add a DependsOn: line | 13:50 |
| number80 | toabctl: yes, we should use more special keywords! | 13:50 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok | 13:50 |
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| number80 | next? | 13:51 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343335/ | 13:51 |
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| IgorYozhikov | looks like hanging too much time :0 | 13:52 |
| number80 | dirk has arguments, so I'm fine with keeping the discussion open | 13:52 |
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| toabctl | iirc we had that last week and wanted to wait for dirk. not sure | 13:53 |
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| number80 | let's revisit this next week, and if no strong opposition, we can merge it | 13:53 |
| IgorYozhikov | so let's wait 4 dirk with this | 13:53 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok | 13:53 |
| number80 | yes | 13:53 |
| jruzicka | funny, problems with cliff are now discussed independently on two channels I am on :) | 13:54 |
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| IgorYozhikov | we have 4 min to go, anything else? | 13:56 |
| number80 | I suggest that we close the meeting as we're reaching the hour | 13:56 |
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| toabctl | yes | 13:56 |
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| number80 | anyway, we're all on #openstack-rpm-packaging if we need to discuss specific item | 13:56 |
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| number80 | thank you gentlemen for attending | 13:57 |
| number80 | #endmeeting | 13:57 |
| toabctl | thanks number80 for guiding us through the meeting! :) | 13:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 25 13:57:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-08-25-13.01.html | 13:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-08-25-13.01.txt | 13:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-08-25-13.01.log.html | 13:57 |
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| m3m0 | #startmeeting freezer | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 25 14:00:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is m3m0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:00 |
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| ddieterly | o/ | 14:01 |
| slashme | \o/ | 14:01 |
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| ddieterly | does not look like much on the agenda today | 14:03 |
| slashme | Indeed | 14:03 |
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| timothyb89 | hello all | 14:04 |
| m3m0 | and we are only 4 | 14:04 |
| ddieterly | has anyone heard from daemontool? | 14:04 |
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| yangyapeng | hello | 14:05 |
| slashme | We had some news that he is okay after the earthquake in Italia. But appart from that, nothing work related. | 14:05 |
| ddieterly | ok, good | 14:05 |
| domhnallw_ | Glad to hear that he's okay. That earthquake was terrible. | 14:05 |
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| yangyapeng | Good luck | 14:07 |
| slashme | szaher, timothyb89 : What should we do with this: https://review.openstack.org/357289 ? | 14:08 |
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| szaher | slashme: I think this patch should be ready to go | 14:15 |
| szaher | it's not refactoring of test cases but we needed to change some test cases and not all to make the change work | 14:16 |
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| timothyb89 | slashme, szaher: I'll +1 if some details are added to the commit message :) | 14:17 |
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| szaher | fair enough, gonna do that now :) | 14:17 |
| slashme | Thx timothyb89 | 14:18 |
| yangyapeng | i have review that patch. +1 | 14:18 |
| szaher | timothyb89: Can I add this to the FreezerBaseTestCase ? | 14:19 |
| timothyb89 | what do you mean? | 14:19 |
| szaher | Like a description of the class or you want this in commit message anyway ? | 14:19 |
| timothyb89 | oh, really I just mean commit message | 14:19 |
| szaher | description about test changes | 14:19 |
| szaher | Ok | 14:20 |
| timothyb89 | no need for any code changes I don't think, just a quick blurb so we can see in the commit history if needed for debugging, etc | 14:20 |
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| szaher | timothyb89: Check now | 14:23 |
| szaher | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357289/ | 14:23 |
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| timothyb89 | szaher: thanks, +1 :) | 14:24 |
| szaher | timothyb89: Thanks :) | 14:24 |
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| szaher | Can we review this small and quick change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360529/1 ? | 14:30 |
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| yangyapeng | please review freezer-web-ui , backups https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357058/ | 14:33 |
| yangyapeng | thanks , small bug | 14:33 |
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| ddieterly | yangyapeng i'm not that familiar with the web-ui, so i'm not able to review your patch | 14:38 |
| m3m0 | yangyapeng: I know what you did there :) | 14:39 |
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| m3m0 | it was like that before | 14:39 |
| yangyapeng | thanks | 14:39 |
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| m3m0 | list_all, will list backups regardless of the client | 14:39 |
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| yangyapeng | ddieterly: m3m0 :) yeah | 14:40 |
| m3m0 | list will only list backups tied to a client | 14:40 |
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| yangyapeng | m3m0: I have a common in your patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358677/8, but It is irrelevant in patch. | 14:41 |
| yangyapeng | i have a irrelevant about freezer-scheduler | 14:41 |
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| m3m0 | you mean, what happens if a the scheduler stops and the starts again, what will happen with the jobs? | 14:43 |
| yangyapeng | Now, if freezer-scheduler have a restart, it should fetch job from freezer-api, and exec all nocomplete job right now,rather than by start_time and so on | 14:43 |
| m3m0 | yangyapeng: ^^ | 14:43 |
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| yangyapeng | if i have a start_time in 12:00 PM sat ,interval 1 weeks. | 14:44 |
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| m3m0 | could be that seems like another patch, right now there is a bug that all completed jobs gets executed again if the scheduler restarts | 14:44 |
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| m3m0 | I'll fix that after the parallel execution | 14:45 |
| yangyapeng | m3m0: thanks . | 14:45 |
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| m3m0 | but we should discuss this better | 14:45 |
| yangyapeng | hnhn. | 14:45 |
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| m3m0 | "if i have a start_time in 12:00 PM sat ,interval 1 weeks." | 14:46 |
| m3m0 | wanna finish the example? | 14:46 |
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| szaher | m3m0: Could you add +A here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360529/ | 14:47 |
| m3m0 | done | 14:48 |
| yangyapeng | yeah, if I config it , and it have a backup, but i restart freezer-scheduler in today, then all job should backup it in today and evey meek on Thursday. not sat | 14:48 |
| m3m0 | #topic Core team update | 14:48 |
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| slashme | Just a small heads up, we are going to have a few updates on the core team, some cleaning and the addition of yangyapeng as a core. Please whatch out for the email on the mailing list (later today). | 14:49 |
| yangyapeng | thanks slashme :) | 14:50 |
| yangyapeng | m3m0: :) | 14:50 |
| m3m0 | thanks for the update slashme | 14:50 |
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| m3m0 | and congratulations yangyapeng :) | 14:51 |
| yangyapeng | :) thank you. all guys | 14:51 |
| szaher | yangyapeng: Welcome to the Core team :) | 14:52 |
| szaher | m3m0: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357289/ :) :) | 14:52 |
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| yangyapeng | szaher: thank you. thank you. :) | 14:52 |
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| m3m0 | do you want to discuss the scheduler later mr core yangyapeng :) | 14:54 |
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| yangyapeng | m3m0: haha yeah.I'm very glad | 14:55 |
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| yangyapeng | channel #freezer later | 14:56 |
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| m3m0 | is there any other topic? | 14:57 |
| m3m0 | can we close the meeting? | 14:57 |
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| m3m0 | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 25 14:57:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-08-25-14.00.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-08-25-14.00.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-08-25-14.00.log.html | 14:58 |
| m3m0 | thanks everyone | 14:58 |
| slashme | thx m3m0 | 14:58 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 25 15:00:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | hey o/ | 15:00 |
| jseiler | hi | 15:00 |
| dgonzalez | hi | 15:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:00 |
| aovchinnikov | hi | 15:00 |
| tovchinnikova | \\// | 15:00 |
| markstur | hi | 15:00 |
| dustins | \o | 15:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
| zengyingzhe_ | Hi | 15:01 |
| zhongjun_ | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:01 |
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| Yogi1 | hi | 15:01 |
| ganso | hello | 15:01 |
| bswartz | okay feature freeze is next week! | 15:01 |
| bswartz | that means we're down to only 3 days or so to merge features for newton | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | the gate isn't cooperating as usual, and everything is also very slow as usual | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | that means everything not already merged is at risk of not making it | 15:03 |
| bswartz | please prioritize gate fix issues and please don't abuse jenkins this coming week | 15:03 |
| bswartz | also, non-client library feature freeze is TODAY | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | so we can consider manila-ui frozen for newton | 15:04 |
| bswartz | there's more I can say about the state of automated tests and the feature freeze but I'll save that for later | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | #topic Huawei share replication and CI | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | zengyingzhe_, zhongjun_: who wants to take this topic? | 15:05 |
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| zhongjun_ | zengyingzhe working on it | 15:06 |
| zengyingzhe_ | I'll talk about this. | 15:06 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:06 |
| vkmc | hi hi | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | :-) | 15:07 |
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| zengyingzhe_ | Here's the situation. For the replication of huawei driver, we need two huawei arrays to consist of the replication relaitonship. | 15:07 |
| zengyingzhe_ | But now, our CI env only got one array. so it can't do the replication tests. | 15:08 |
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| zengyingzhe_ | we've already arranged a new array, but it'll take some time to setup, and integrate with CI env. | 15:09 |
| gouthamr | zengyingzhe_: were you able to run these tests locally? | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | zengyingzhe_: last i recall you found a bug in one of the tests.. | 15:10 |
| zengyingzhe_ | gouthamr, yes, that's what I've been doing these days. | 15:10 |
| gouthamr | finding bugs in replication? thanks! :D | 15:11 |
| bswartz | based on my earlier conversation with zengyingzhe_, he was going to qualify the driver's replication support in his dev environment, where there are 2 arrays | 15:11 |
| zengyingzhe_ | I've passed some tests, but some of them failed, so I'm still working on it. | 15:11 |
| bswartz | zengyingzhe_: were you able to do that? | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | zengyingzhe_: are the failures driver bugs or tests bugs? | 15:11 |
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| zengyingzhe_ | mostly are driver bugs | 15:12 |
| zengyingzhe_ | bswartz, I think I can finish all of these tests dignose tomorrow. | 15:13 |
| zengyingzhe_ | and paste the test logs in my patch as you said. | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | okay | 15:13 |
| bswartz | so the question for us then is are we okay merging the feature, without CI from huawei, as long as we can see that it does pass tempest (from the logs zengyingzhe_ will provide) and that CI will start covering this before the newton final release? | 15:14 |
| cknight | bswartz: yes, given your caveat | 15:15 |
| bswartz | personally I'm okay with this but it's a deviation from our normal requirement that new driver features need CI coverage to merge | 15:15 |
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| cknight | bswartz: a little grace goes a long way | 15:15 |
| bswartz | anyone not okay with that proposal? | 15:15 |
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| markstur | ok | 15:16 |
| zhongjun_ | I am ok | 15:16 |
| bswartz | okay I don't hear anyone disagreeing | 15:16 |
| gouthamr | +1 zengyingzhe_: if you find bugs in the tests or the core feature, could you make a separate patch to fix these | 15:16 |
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| tbarron | +1 | 15:17 |
| bswartz | so zengyingzhe_ we're just waiting for you to post the logs of the driver passing all the tests | 15:17 |
| zengyingzhe_ | gouthamr, sure | 15:17 |
| bswartz | of course the gate also has to cooperate if we're going to merge this | 15:17 |
| bswartz | #topic IPv6 | 15:17 |
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| zengyingzhe_ | bswartz, thanks, I'll try my best to finish it soon. | 15:17 |
| bswartz | cknight: you're up | 15:17 |
| cknight | There has been a proposal up for a while to enable IPv6 in Manila, driven by our Huawei friends. The areas affected most are API (access rules) and in the drivers (access rules & export locations). DHSS=True drivers also have to care about network allocations. | 15:17 |
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| cknight | The original patch won't fly. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312321/ | 15:18 |
| cknight | But zhongjun_ and gouthamr have been working on a patch to enable simple IPv4 and IPv6 address validation in the Manila API layer for IP access rules. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359316/ Technically this patch missed FPF, but overlooking that... | 15:18 |
| cknight | The patch replaces the cheesy homegrown IPv4 validation, and everything IPv4-related should still just work. And some drivers work fine with IPv6, while others need changes. | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | which one? it looks like the one you linked was poasted May 3 | 15:18 |
| bswartz | posted | 15:18 |
| cknight | The question is, do we go ahead with the later patch and allow IPv6 addresses to pass the API checks and flow into Newton Manila, or does the community need more time to assess the impacts, if any, in the rest of the core and all the drivers? | 15:18 |
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| cknight | If more time is needed, we could merge the first patch early in Ocata and have the whole release for everyone to support it. I lean towards waiting, but I figured we should get a sense of the greater community. | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | oh zhongjun's | 15:19 |
| zhongjun_ | this code have been submit to gerrit since May 4. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312321/ | 15:19 |
| bswartz | IPv6 support has been something we've wanted for a long time but nobody has made it a priority until huawei did | 15:19 |
| zhongjun_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359316/ this patch just used for test | 15:19 |
| bswartz | how much work is left to do? | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | some drivers in tree make the assumption that both ipv4 and ipv6 addresses can be sent while asking for access | 15:20 |
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| gouthamr | so, i think it's a bug that the API disqualifies IPv6 | 15:21 |
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| gouthamr | and another bug that we didn't have these tests | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | and driver bugs if they made the assumption that ipv6 isn't supported | 15:21 |
| zhongjun_ | It will be a simple change when we need to support ipv6 format in ip access_type | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | i don't recall any documentation that only v4 addresses are supportedd.. | 15:21 |
| bswartz | if it was done today I'd be willing to give it an FFE, but I suspect there's work left to be done and we can't be churning on API changes later in the release | 15:21 |
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| cknight | gouthamr: I would call IPv6 a feature, and there may be other places in the core that need tweaks. | 15:22 |
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| zhongjun_ | Does this feature need to be versioned? | 15:22 |
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| tbarron | zhongjun_: yeah, I was wondering about that ... | 15:23 |
| bswartz | zhongjun_: that depends on the nature of the change -- if it's a "bugfix" because IPv6 was working in some cases and it stopped working then not really | 15:23 |
| ganso | if adding support breaks anything, then I recommend not doing it... and it seams it does break | 15:23 |
| zhongjun_ | bswartz: Does we need to save the old validation code? | 15:23 |
| bswartz | if IPv6 was never working and the patch makes it work, then it feels to end users like a feature and should be versioned | 15:23 |
| cknight | bswartz: The access rules API rejected all except IPv4. | 15:23 |
| bswartz | so why were some drivers allowing ipv6? | 15:24 |
| bswartz | that could couldn't have been tested.... | 15:24 |
| ganso | bswartz: some drivers are "compatible"... they accept both because the backend accepts both | 15:24 |
| cknight | ganso: +1 Ideally, the IP version doesn't matter to the driver. | 15:24 |
| bswartz | do any drivers return IPv6 export locations? | 15:24 |
| bswartz | because v6 access rules don't make much sense if you don't have v6 export locations | 15:25 |
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| ganso | still, that's still for some drivers. Other drivers are coded to accept only IPv4 because they know the API blocks IPv6. If all of a sudden it stops blocking, then drivers can suffer from errors they were not expecting | 15:26 |
| zhongjun_ | currently, no driver return IPv6 export locations | 15:26 |
| ganso | and we need to avoid those ^ | 15:26 |
| cknight | ganso: It sounds like you want the feature to wait. | 15:26 |
| bswartz | ganso: I see your point | 15:26 |
| ganso | cknight: I do | 15:26 |
| cknight | ganso: +1 | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | well more than that issue, it sounds like there are some undecided issues around IPv6 | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | as much as I'd love to have this feature yesterday, I don't think it's a good idea to merge it in newton -- we need to reach agreement on the design | 15:27 |
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| ganso | it is too late in Newton to change this. The patch is not late per se, but no attention has been given to this, and this is very important and I believe it needs to be coordinated more carefully, just like "update_access". We could even have an internal extra_spec to prevent drivers from breaking | 15:27 |
| cknight | bswartz: It sounds like we need an ML post telling everyone to get IPv6 ready in Ocata. | 15:27 |
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| zhongjun_ | but, it is up to driver, it can simple support export locations with driver configure. and driver could not need to change any driver code. | 15:28 |
| bswartz | I can't find a spec for ipv6 and I feel that we need one | 15:28 |
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| markstur | bswartz loves specs | 15:28 |
| cknight | ganso: I thought about the extra spec, too, but it would be better to just know all the drivers are ready for it. I wonder if we have any backends that just don't do IPv6. | 15:28 |
| bswartz | if there are drivers that really can't support ipv6 then manila needs to know that and the end user needs to know that | 15:28 |
| gouthamr | i was thinking we can note this in documentation | 15:29 |
| bswartz | because the rest of the world does support ipv6 | 15:29 |
| zhongjun_ | Because this bp submit before the specs | 15:29 |
| bswartz | yeah I'd prefer to make the statement that all manila drivers MUST support ipv6 and therefor no capability bits are needed | 15:29 |
| bswartz | however first we need to find out if that's going to be a problem for anyone | 15:30 |
| cknight | *notes that bswartz has a data center in his attic that has been running IPv6 for nearly a decade.* | 15:30 |
| bswartz | markstur: I'm coming around | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | cknight: +1 | 15:30 |
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| markstur | now us kids have to google 6bone. Is that safe? | 15:31 |
| zhongjun_ | All manila drivers MUST support ipv6, Sounds it need a long time :) | 15:31 |
| bswartz | yeah 6bone is SFW | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | zhongjun_: well we can find that out with a ML post and some test code | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | just write the IPv6 support into the API and driver layers, then add tempest tests and we see who fails, then we talk to those maintainers | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | zhongjun_'s test code pointed a bug in the NetApp driver and teh fix was real simple | 15:33 |
| zhongjun_ | All manila drivers support ipv6 feature in one patch? | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | but i agree we can dig into all our gate drivers and fix any issues before we claim support | 15:33 |
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| bswartz | zhongjun_: no not all at once, but possibly by end of ocata | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | what we want is to be able to tell users that IPv6 "just works" and that there aren't any limitations related to it | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | adding it in such a way that only some drivers support it or only some features support it will lead to bad user experiences | 15:34 |
| zhongjun_ | +1 | 15:34 |
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| cknight | bswartz: Thanks, it sounds like there is consensus here. | 15:35 |
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| bswartz | so we should form a plan for ocata, including a brief spec, and a set of patches to fix the API limitations for ocata | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | then we need tests and then we need to hunt down driver maintainers and get them to fix their drivers | 15:36 |
| bswartz | It occurs to me that properly testing IPv6 will REQUIRE scenario tests which is another thing I've been wanting to add to 3rd party CI tests | 15:37 |
| zhongjun_ | but it will be hard to hunt all of the driver maintainers | 15:37 |
| bswartz | I'd love to create an IPv6-only neutron subnet and put a VM on it and have it mount the backend share | 15:37 |
| bswartz | zhongjun_: leave that part to me | 15:37 |
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| zhongjun_ | bswartz: ok | 15:38 |
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| zhongjun_ | bswartz: :) | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | the key here will be getting all the infrastructure in place early in ocata do driver maintainers have time to fix their drivers | 15:38 |
| bswartz | so let's not slow down on these ipv6 patches | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | let's plan to merge them during/before barcelona if possible | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | cknight: did we reach agreement on the usage of "ip" instead of "ipv4 and ipv6" for access rule types? | 15:39 |
| cknight | bswartz: yes. it's just 'ip' | 15:40 |
| bswartz | okay good | 15:40 |
| zhongjun_ | How about microversion | 15:40 |
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| cknight | zhongjun_: yes, when the API begins accepting IPv6 addresses | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | zhongjun_: it sounds like there's no way it can work today and if we change that users will want to know, so we should microversion the API change | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | that way a users who depends on IPv6 support can set their minimum microversion to the version where we fixed this | 15:41 |
| cknight | zhongjun_: Ideally there is a single core patch to enable IPv6, and that change bumps the microversion. | 15:41 |
| bswartz | cknight: yes | 15:41 |
| cknight | zhongjun_: I really don't think that will be a large patch. | 15:42 |
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| cknight | zhongjun_: But it will have a lot of tests. | 15:42 |
| zhongjun_ | cknight: yes, it is not a large patch | 15:42 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:43 |
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| dgonzalez | I would like to ask for reviews of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283494/ Its the HPB base patch | 15:43 |
| bswartz | alright anything else for today? | 15:43 |
| dgonzalez | Now that the container driver has merged we were able to test this at the gate. So it would be great if we could merge it asap | 15:43 |
| bswartz | dgonzalez: that was fast! | 15:43 |
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| dgonzalez | bswartz: Yeah I already typed it :D | 15:43 |
| dgonzalez | I was prepared! | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | dgonzalez: k I will review | 15:44 |
| tovchinnikova | :) Speaking about reviews: one high priority manila UI bug fix waiting for the reviews too: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352889/ | 15:44 |
| dgonzalez | bswartz: great thanks | 15:44 |
| bswartz | tovchinnikova: okay | 15:45 |
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| tovchinnikova | bswartz, thanks! | 15:45 |
| bswartz | so there's a side conversation back in the channel that touches on the other thing I didn't say at the beginning | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | we have a lot of tests which "randomly" fail | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | and we have a culture here of just rechecking | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | that's not the right thing to do! | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | when tests fail, we should file bugs and investigate them, even if it's not 100% of the time | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | sometimes the investigation turns up an issue we have no control over, but that's very rare | 15:46 |
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| aovchinnikov | bswartz: file bugs against which project? | 15:47 |
| bswartz | aovchinnikov: wherever the bug lies | 15:47 |
| bswartz | we have some issues related to concurrency -- the fix for those is to implement better separation between concurrent things | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | we have some issues related to timing problem -- the fix for those is to add more state checking and add wait loops | 15:48 |
| bswartz | we have some issues related to stuff being slow as hell -- the fix for those is to optimize or do less | 15:48 |
| bswartz | many of these issues are hard to fix but if we just recheck around them they won't go away and they'll pile up until the gate is so bad we can't get any real work done | 15:49 |
| bswartz | We've started a few initiatives in the past to try to solve some of the biggest problems we know about | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | some of those have succeeded, some have failed, and some are ongoing | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | I guess my only point is that these problems are everyone's responsibility | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | also these last 2 weeks are especially bad because our bug-fixer-in-chief vponomaryov is on vacation | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov come back and save us! :-D | 15:52 |
| bswartz | alright that's all I had | 15:52 |
| bswartz | let;s get back to reviewing so we can land at least a few things before FF | 15:52 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 25 15:52:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-08-25-15.00.html | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-08-25-15.00.txt | 15:52 |
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| xarses | #startmeeting fuel | 16:00 |
| xarses | #chair xarses | 16:00 |
| xarses | Todays Agenda: | 16:00 |
| xarses | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:00 |
| xarses | Who's here? | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 25 16:00:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:00 | |
| mwhahaha | hi | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:00 |
| maximov | hi | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: xarses | 16:00 |
| mzawadzki | Hello. | 16:00 |
| vkramskikh | hi | 16:00 |
| zubchick | hi | 16:00 |
| mattymo | hi! | 16:00 |
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| xarses | #topic action items from last meeting | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:01 | |
| xarses | romcheg to annouunce fuel2 promotion and old fuel CLI removal on ML | 16:01 |
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| kozhukalov | romcheg is PTO | 16:02 |
| xarses | ok | 16:02 |
| xarses | akscram to send ML about moving cluster_upgrade extension | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov | seems done | 16:02 |
| romcheg | who is on PTO? | 16:02 |
| romcheg | :) | 16:02 |
| kozhukalov | wow | 16:02 |
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| romcheg | I've just returned today | 16:03 |
| romcheg | There is nothing to deprecate unfortunatelly | 16:03 |
| mattymo | It's a miracle | 16:03 |
| xarses | any update on your action item? | 16:03 |
| xarses | I don't recall anything on the ML about it | 16:03 |
| romcheg | while I was away someone from the management decided that we cannot remove the old CLI in 9.1 | 16:04 |
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| romcheg | due to a minor issue in fuel-devops | 16:04 |
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| romcheg | As soon as the epic is updated I will be able to make an announcement in the ML | 16:05 |
| xarses | ok, thanks | 16:05 |
| xarses | gkibardin to follow up on ML about mcollective config issues | 16:05 |
| romcheg | dpyzhov asked someone | 16:05 |
| romcheg | to update the epic | 16:05 |
| xarses | seems done too | 16:05 |
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| xarses | xarses will update spec regarding release naming and summarize on ML | 16:05 |
| xarses | the spec was updated, and I still need to write up releases in the ML | 16:06 |
| xarses | actually, the spec is merged now =) | 16:06 |
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| xarses | onto our regular topics | 16:06 |
| kozhukalov | you mean spec "release as a plugin"? | 16:06 |
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| xarses | yes | 16:06 |
| romcheg | xarses: should we create another action item for fuelclient for me? | 16:07 |
| xarses | romcheg: | 16:07 |
| xarses | sure | 16:07 |
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| romcheg | thanks! | 16:07 |
| kozhukalov | yes, there were some q from you? did ashtokolov answer all your q? | 16:07 |
| xarses | #action romcheg update ML with regards to the removal of fuel and the promotion of fuel2 | 16:07 |
| xarses | kozhukalov: yes, adding the last parameter closed the question for me | 16:08 |
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| xarses | #topic Add new vote jenkins job to fuel-web for cluster_upgrade extension testing (nzubkov) | 16:09 |
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| xarses | nzubkov isn't here, can someone else speak to this? | 16:10 |
| zubchick | I'm here | 16:10 |
| xarses | oh, hi | 16:10 |
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| xarses | =) | 16:10 |
| kozhukalov | -)))) nice nickname | 16:10 |
| zubchick | We have separated extension from fuel web repo and want run extension tests for every fuel-web patch set | 16:11 |
| zubchick | to keep thing up | 16:11 |
| xarses | ok, ya didn't I see a CR for that? | 16:12 |
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| xarses | (adding the tests) | 16:12 |
| zubchick | we have already have job that non voting | 16:13 |
| zubchick | here CR that makes it voting https://review.fuel-infra.org/#/c/23796/ | 16:13 |
| xarses | ok, anything else we need to do here? | 16:14 |
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| zubchick | No objections? :) | 16:15 |
| zubchick | then I’ll ask CI team merge this | 16:15 |
| xarses | none from me | 16:15 |
| xarses | you have +1 from some of the fuel-web cores, so I think thats good | 16:15 |
| kozhukalov | +1 | 16:16 |
| zubchick | ok,thanks | 16:16 |
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| xarses | moving on? | 16:16 |
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| xarses | #topic Recent UI improvements (vkramskikh) | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Recent UI improvements (vkramskikh) (Meeting topic: fuel)" | 16:17 | |
| vkramskikh | Hi! I'd like to announce that Fuel UI team has implemented 2 features in master and stable/mitaka. Deployment history allows to see a list of deployment transactions and details for each transaction, including the running deployment. Custom graph management allows to view, download, upload and run custom graphs for clusters. These 2 features are represented as 2 new tabs on the cluster page in Fuel UI. They are fully functional | 16:17 |
| vkramskikh | and can be used, though some bugfixes are still expected. We would appreciate any feedback and bugreports regarding these 2 features. | 16:17 |
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| xarses | sounds awesome | 16:18 |
| kozhukalov | yes, I saw these changes, they are nice | 16:18 |
| kozhukalov | especially tasks progress | 16:19 |
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| xarses | anything else? | 16:19 |
| kozhukalov | one q | 16:19 |
| vkramskikh | none from my side | 16:19 |
| kozhukalov | just wondering is it planning to run graphs unbound from any clusters and releases? | 16:20 |
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| xarses | oh, the cluster 0 stuff? | 16:20 |
| vkramskikh | don't have such plans, but that can be discussed | 16:20 |
| kozhukalov | are there any ideas on how to deal with fake clusters if we bind some graphs to fake clusters | 16:20 |
| kozhukalov | at least diagnostic snapshot could one of such graphs | 16:21 |
| kozhukalov | ok, let's discuss this later | 16:21 |
| vkramskikh | shouldn't be any difficulties to implement this on UI side | 16:21 |
| xarses | and the task to edit the dhcp ranges in dnsmasq | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | thanks vkramskikh | 16:22 |
| maximov | kozhukalov: why we cannot bind diag snapshot to clusters ? | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | we can | 16:22 |
| maximov | usually you want to troubleshoot some specific cluster | 16:22 |
| maximov | right/? | 16:22 |
| kozhukalov | but it should be admin cluster | 16:22 |
| xarses | to prevent more than one running at a time | 16:23 |
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| kozhukalov | right. but sometimes you want to troubleshoot admin node | 16:23 |
| xarses | that too | 16:23 |
| xarses | ok moving on? | 16:24 |
| maximov | so the point is just to prevent parallel execution? | 16:24 |
| kozhukalov | not only parallel execution | 16:24 |
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| kozhukalov | we will definitely need graphs of tasks that do not relate to any cluster | 16:25 |
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| kozhukalov | like dhcp ranges, that xarses mentioned | 16:25 |
| maximov | in case of diag snapshot, why do we need it ? | 16:25 |
| kozhukalov | forget about diag snapshot, my q was about how to deal with fake/admin clusters on UI | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov | i was wondering if there are any ideas on this | 16:26 |
| maximov | I think we need to collect all uses cases.. before. | 16:26 |
| kozhukalov | sure | 16:27 |
| maximov | we have dhcp ranges update as a possible candidate for global workflow | 16:27 |
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| kozhukalov | not only this | 16:27 |
| kozhukalov | upgrade master node for example | 16:27 |
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| kozhukalov | rebuild bootstrap image | 16:28 |
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| kozhukalov | etc | 16:28 |
| maximov | ok i see | 16:28 |
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| kozhukalov | let's move one | 16:28 |
| kozhukalov | let's move on | 16:28 |
| xarses | #topic Documentation on upgrades https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337122 (REVIEW IS WELCOME) (kozhukalov) | 16:28 |
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| kozhukalov | I'd just like to ask everyone to help to review this patch | 16:29 |
| kozhukalov | feature is ready, spec on review, and documentation part is very important | 16:30 |
| * xarses adds it to his list | 16:30 | |
| xarses | I'll try to take a look at it soon | 16:30 |
| kozhukalov | users continue asking where to read about upgrades, backups | 16:30 |
| kozhukalov | xarses: thanks | 16:30 |
| kozhukalov | looks like we don't have any other topic | 16:31 |
| kozhukalov | just small announcement: we are under FF now for mitaka branch | 16:31 |
| xarses | #topic open discuss | 16:31 |
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| xarses | anything else to raise or discuss? | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov | I continue to work on ISOless bvt jobs for our CI | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov | it is on review, but WIP | 16:32 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://review.fuel-infra.org/#/c/25285/ | 16:33 |
| xarses | I started a spec about creating a new release | 16:33 |
| xarses | #link https://review.openstack.org/357346 | 16:33 |
| xarses | ok, if nothing else, I'll close the meeting | 16:34 |
| kozhukalov | yet another announcement | 16:34 |
| kozhukalov | we are 2 months from Ocata design summit | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov | so, please feel free to add your topics here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-ocata-summit-planning | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-ocata-summit-planning | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov | I requested 2 fishbowls and 4 workrooms sessions | 16:35 |
| kozhukalov | I am not sure many people from fuel team will attend this summit | 16:36 |
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| kozhukalov | but still it is better to plan it in advance | 16:37 |
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| kozhukalov | nothing more from my side | 16:37 |
| kozhukalov | ccp people aren't here | 16:38 |
| mzawadzki | we are here | 16:38 |
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| kozhukalov | ohh nice | 16:38 |
| amnk | yep | 16:38 |
| kozhukalov | would you like to share something? | 16:38 |
| xarses | ok, will close if there is nothing else | 16:38 |
| mzawadzki | I can share stuff we're currently working on. | 16:38 |
| mzawadzki | for CCP | 16:38 |
| mzawadzki | So we'll soon have feature for showing status of deployed applications & ability to redeploy specific service. | 16:39 |
| mzawadzki | We also finished implementing command for displaying service dependencies. | 16:40 |
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| mzawadzki | Another feature that is important for OpenStack developers is abvility to use git repositories as sources for building Docker images for CCP. | 16:40 |
| mzawadzki | Including tags & private branches - so one can run OpenStack in Docker with custom changes to e.g. Keystone. | 16:41 |
| mzawadzki | There is also WIP on providing Vagrant based dev env for developers & testers. | 16:41 |
| mzawadzki | Research in progress on galera clustering with proxysql. | 16:42 |
| mzawadzki | We've also recently started publishing CCP Docker images in public repo: http://registry.mcp.fuel-infra.org:5002/?name=.*&tag=.*&format=dictionary | 16:42 |
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| mzawadzki | + some CI improvements. | 16:43 |
| mzawadzki | Major goals for nearest future are updates & CI/CD automation for production. | 16:43 |
| mzawadzki | That's it, I don't want to take more time, feel free to ask questions. | 16:44 |
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| kozhukalov | it would be nice to have a single place like wiki page where users/developers could read about reference architecture, tools, UX, etc. | 16:44 |
| kozhukalov | we could link this page from fuel wiki | 16:44 |
| amnk | we are working on documentation | 16:44 |
| amnk | unfortunately it's not there yet | 16:45 |
| kozhukalov | nice, are there any links to CRs to review? | 16:45 |
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| kozhukalov | like this one for example https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337122 | 16:46 |
| mzawadzki | No, we've just started discussing how to handle the process of moving our docs to upstream. | 16:46 |
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| mzawadzki | So far they live only on internal wiki. | 16:46 |
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| mzawadzki | But we have a user story about it. | 16:46 |
| kozhukalov | what is user story? you mean jira? | 16:47 |
| mzawadzki | Yeah. | 16:47 |
| kozhukalov | let's avoid mentioning vendor specific terminology here | 16:47 |
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| mzawadzki | OK. IOW we have a plan, just need to work on it. | 16:47 |
| kozhukalov | ok, looking forward for documentation CRs | 16:48 |
| kozhukalov | thanks very much for this infromation | 16:48 |
| mzawadzki | np | 16:48 |
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| kozhukalov | if there is nothing more, closing then | 16:49 |
| kozhukalov | thanks everyone for attending | 16:49 |
| kozhukalov | xarses: closing? | 16:50 |
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| xarses | thanks | 16:50 |
| xarses | #endmeeting | 16:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 25 16:50:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-08-25-16.00.html | 16:50 |
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| tmcpeak | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 25 17:00:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| gmurphy | \o/ | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | #chair hyakuhei | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 17:01 |
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| tkelsey | o/ | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | oh hai | 17:01 |
| singlethink | o/ | 17:01 |
| lhinds | hey * | 17:01 |
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| * hyakuhei was busy writing "goals" and lost track of time | 17:01 | |
| hyakuhei | My life is the bestest! | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | living that dream baby gurl | 17:01 |
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| unrahul | o/ | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:02 |
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| tmcpeak | alright… | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Midcycle-Recap | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | thanks for everybody that came out to the midcycle | 17:04 |
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| tkelsey | did you guys solve security? | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | personally I found it very useful, but I'm happy to be corrected | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | Special thanks to Elvin and Fernando for everything they did | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: yeah, and also solved big data! | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | nice one :D | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | I thought we got a lot done, we didn't cover as many activities as we have done at previous mid-cycles | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | specifically focused on OSSN and threat modeling | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Many thanks to all of our first-time attendees too, it was truly great to meet you all | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | unrahul vinaypotluri I see that the OSSN work has continued on :) | 17:05 |
| unrahul | same here hyakuhei :) thank you guys | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | speaking of OSSN, did we get lhinds sworn in yet? | 17:05 |
| unrahul | yup intent is to carry the momentum on, so if u guys need ossn mules we are here :D | 17:05 |
| lhinds | good work vinaypotluri, not an easy first OSSN by any shot | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | lhinds: +1 | 17:06 |
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| lhinds | tmcpeak / hyakuhei : not sure, how would I determine this? | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | almost | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | so you're core in all the core things I can make you lhinds | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Turns out that the embargo stuff is controlled by the VMT | 17:07 |
| lhinds | thx hyakuhei | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | but fungi +1'd the mail I sent around about pushing you to core-sec so that should be fine | 17:07 |
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| unrahul | hey hyakuhei isnt VMT part of the security team? | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | On paper yes | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | but they're autonomous | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | For very good reasons | 17:07 |
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| tmcpeak | gmurphy: fix this | 17:08 |
| unrahul | hyakuhei: hmm.. okay who all are in VMT now, do we have them here for the meeting..? | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | Security PTL has no leverage on the VMT although the relationship is a very effective one, they're basically a law unto themselves :P | 17:08 |
| gmurphy | fix what? | 17:08 |
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| unrahul | hehe.. wildcard :D | 17:09 |
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| hyakuhei | unrahul they're around, you have to remember they're a small team | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | gmurphy fungi seem to be floating around somewhere | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | It's a very small team, very overworked too so I tend to just flag up if we need them here for something. | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | OSSN are completely separate and under our control | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | gmurphy: we need to get lhinds added to OSSG-coresec | 17:09 |
| unrahul | ohh.. got you... may be meet you guys in the next mid cycle or something gmurphy fungi | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | We're specifically talking about promoting lhinds to the Launchpad group that provides early access to security issues | 17:10 |
| gmurphy | ok. i think i can do that. if not probably fungi | 17:10 |
| unrahul | thanks hyakuhei for the info.. | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | https://security.openstack.org ;) | 17:10 |
| vinaypotluri | lhinds: thank you :) | 17:10 |
| tmcpeak | thanks gmurphy | 17:10 |
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| tmcpeak | since we're talking OSSN already, let's keep going, then we'll do Syntribos update | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | #topic OSSN | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | I've got a couple embargoed ones I'm working on | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: as well | 17:11 |
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| hyakuhei | I'd like to propose that lhinds takes over from nkinder as the OSSN coordinator/leader | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: I second that | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | nkinder has done amazing work in this space and we will hopefully be able to build on this moving forward | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | let me see if we can get him to join briefly | 17:12 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | huge part of the reason we have useful notes today | 17:13 |
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| knangia | I have done working on my OSSN. Could you please review it | 17:13 |
| knangia | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357328/ | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | Nathan and I already chatted about it, he doesn't have the cycles to keep ontop of this | 17:13 |
| fungi | hyakuhei: unrahul: yeah, i'm around--had just stepped away from the terminal for a few | 17:13 |
| fungi | welcome! | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | ahh ok, cool | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | fungi Thanks :) | 17:13 |
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| tmcpeak | so lhinds you have the interest and bandwidth to be keeper of the notes? | 17:14 |
| lhinds | sure! | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | gmurphy just pointed out that with my restored LP access I might be able to level-up lhinds on my own | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:14 |
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| tmcpeak | what's restored LP access | 17:14 |
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| lhinds | I will catch up with nathan to go over the tasks | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | oh right | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | yeah Rob, you're administrator | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | you should be able to do it | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | My expectation is that lhinds will write less OSSN than he has been doing recently and chase more of the people (like me) who should be writing OSSNs, tackling bugs etc. | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | I'm happy with that division of labor | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | Yup, I just got access back (overly-secure-MFA-in-wrong-country-error) | 17:15 |
| lhinds | hyakuhei: sounds good to me. | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | we could potentially use a 4th Coresec assuming elmiko won't have time | 17:15 |
| unrahul | awesome fungi :) , I am part of the syntribos team ; just wanted to introduce myself. | 17:15 |
| lhinds | hey, I have a good topic for the blog as well now | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | maybe wait and see who loves OSSN :D | 17:16 |
| lhinds | been trying to think of something, can cover OSSN proces? | 17:16 |
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| hyakuhei | Excellent idea | 17:16 |
| unrahul | +1 | 17:16 |
| lhinds | will get onto that | 17:16 |
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| hyakuhei | lhinds you're now in the CoreSec group | 17:17 |
| lhinds | w00t! | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | congrats lhinds, well deserved | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | and should be able to access restricted bugs etc | 17:17 |
| lhinds | thanks * | 17:17 |
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| lhinds | oh yeah, that worked | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Now no selling secrets for fun or profit | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | well, only exceptional profit | 17:18 |
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| lhinds | I can't post my BTC address? | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Next meeting lhinds can take us through the open OSSN etc - that cool ? | 17:18 |
| lhinds | (kidding) | 17:18 |
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| lhinds | hyakuhei: sure | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:19 |
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| hyakuhei | ok excellent. knangia if you need more reviewers for your OSSN you could add them directly in gerrit or continue to ping on IRC :) | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | ok, should we roll onto the next topic? | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | yep | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Syntribos | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | no Charles? | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | unrahul: want to take it? | 17:20 |
| unrahul | yup | 17:20 |
| unrahul | so we are planning to test a few projects from next week | 17:20 |
| unrahul | like keystone, neutron, glance, nova, cinder and swift | 17:20 |
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| unrahul | we are wrapping up final set of patches and hope to finish it by this week | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | damn, all of them? | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | how'd you do that/ | 17:20 |
| unrahul | like in 1- 2 months :D | 17:21 |
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| tmcpeak | ahh | 17:21 |
| unrahul | considering we can allot 4 -5 days for each | 17:21 |
| unrahul | it would be initial set of testing.. so that we can see if we are able to find some bugs.. at this point mostly will be 500 errors.. but..still. | 17:21 |
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| unrahul | And we got some feeback from the midcycle on the docs, so have updated them and hopefully setting up syntribos is `less painful` now .. :) https://github.com/openstack/syntribos | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | when you say test do you mean one time or on an automated continual basis? | 17:22 |
| unrahul | one time.. each project .. running syntribos against each.. | 17:22 |
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| unrahul | we had run again keystone a week back and got some 500 errors.. and got some feedback on making the tool a lil better | 17:23 |
| unrahul | so bascially our idea is to see what the tool can do .. at this stage and also get a lot of feedback from the tests.. that will eventually go into making the tool `smarter`.. i guess | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | awesome | 17:24 |
| unrahul | ccneil is working on automating the template generation as well.. which was another feedback.. that we have somehow automate it.. | 17:24 |
| unrahul | thats it from Syntribos.. for now | 17:25 |
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| tmcpeak | cool | 17:27 |
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| tmcpeak | #topic TA | 17:27 |
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| tmcpeak | so we spent a lot of time on this last week | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Hmmm. dg isn't here. | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | let me try to fetch him | 17:27 |
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| hyakuhei | ok well, in the meantime | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | We've been banging away at trying to get TA in OpenStack for a while | 17:29 |
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| hyakuhei | Recently we rebooted, looking at a more light-weight approach that embodies a lot of what people like tmcpeak dg___ and myself have done in the past | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | dg___: tada! | 17:29 |
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| dg___ | o/ sorry im late guys, RL happened | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | he's appeared | 17:29 |
| tmcpeak | dg___: summarize our new security review process we were working on por favor? | 17:29 |
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| dg___ | OK, so the new-new security review process is aiming to be as lightweight as possible, our target is 3 hours, with maybe 60-90minutes of review via a google hangout, and a bunch of prepwork for the reviewer and the PTL of the project being reviewed | 17:30 |
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| tmcpeak | lol, "a bunch of paperwork" | 17:31 |
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| tmcpeak | sign me up | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | oh, prepwork | 17:31 |
| * tmcpeak can't read | 17:31 | |
| dg___ | tl;dr: PTL completes a page describing the architecture of the project, defines the data assets that matter in the system, works with the architect to make sure they have everything | 17:32 |
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| tmcpeak | we think this approach focuses time spent on potentially useful findings | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | downside is that it does require a security expert | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | this isn't something teams are going to complete by themselves | 17:33 |
| dg___ | we accept that this wont be a 100% solution, but the law of diminishing returns is very apparent when doing security review work | 17:33 |
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| hyakuhei | With regards to the work we're doing, that's ok, because it's only for those teams aiming for VMT-Managed tag (or whatever it is) | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | So we created a simple-ish way for diagramming somewhat complex projects : http://i.imgur.com/DPZfxni.png | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | And here's what that's like when applied to Barbican: http://i.imgur.com/hkUVez3.png | 17:34 |
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| dg___ | there will be a section in the security guide describing how to do this and providing guidance for PTLs | 17:34 |
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| hyakuhei | Props to redrobot who did most of the heavy lifting on this | 17:34 |
| dg___ | redrobot +1 | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | we're still working on it though | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | so stay tuned | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: what'd you want to do for Kolla? | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | I assume this was you? | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | We got loads done. I'm now convinced for the first time that we'll be able to deliver this more lidely | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: agreed | 17:36 |
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| dg___ | tmcpeak think we will have a run through of the new new process for kolla once we have the documentation artifacts and barbican review completed | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | *widely | 17:37 |
| tmcpeak | ahh ok | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah they're most of the way but we've moved away from seq diagrams | 17:37 |
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| dg___ | sdake are you here? | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | also with no disrespect to sdake Kolla is a non-typical openstack project | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | As it's a provisioning thing | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | that… may be frustrating for them :) | 17:39 |
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| tmcpeak | still a DFD should be useful for them as well as us | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | would be very interesting to define assets and threat against those assets the way we've done for Barbican | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah agreed | 17:39 |
| dg___ | tmcpeak one of my concerns with the asset-based approach is that it might be ineffective against systems which are used for processing or provisioning or something - we will need to see | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | So this new model is asset oriented which is quite a departure from what we've done before | 17:40 |
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| tmcpeak | dg___: those systems should be included as an asset, shouldn't they? | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | or at least the token that enables provisioning | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | dg___ That's true. Though I'm confident this will cover 95% of OpenStack stuff quite easily. | 17:40 |
| dg___ | tmcpeak - probably | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | we can twist it a little bit if needed | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | ++ | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | that's why we have security folks working with the teams | 17:41 |
| dg___ | i suggest we iterate as we need to | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | Learn by doing, rather than spending too much time designing | 17:41 |
| dg___ | +1 | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | allright, move on? | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | yupyup | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Summit Room Selection | 17:42 |
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| tmcpeak | we ready to discuss this yet? | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | first of all, who thinks they are likely to attend the summit | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | Sorry so yeah | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | probably need to get an idea for security group attendance | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | We have fishbowl and workrooms again | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | nice | 17:43 |
| lhinds | tmcpeak: I will be there | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | lhinds: awesome | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | assume security review should happen in a workroom | 17:43 |
| lhinds | all week, so intend to be at all sec design sessions | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | excellent | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | when are the design sessions? | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | first part or second part? | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | Normally second but that's not defined right now afaik | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | ahh ok | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | so we have those rooms for all of summit or just part of it? | 17:44 |
| lhinds | Ocata Design Summit, Oct 25-28, 2016 in Barcelona, Spain. | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | Those dates are the whole thing | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | I think | 17:45 |
| lhinds | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit | 17:45 |
| dg___ | I hope to attend, budget pending (still arguing with finance about the midcycle) | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | I'll be there | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | Is everyone aware of the changes that are coming after this summit to the overall format | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | cool, so I guess for now we just want to start thinking about what we're going to do in those rooms? | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: not rly, summarize? | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | #link http://www.openstack.org/blog/2016/05/faq-evolving-the-openstack-design-summit/ | 17:47 |
| dg___ | security review all the things | 17:47 |
| hyakuhei | No more combined conference+summit | 17:47 |
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| hyakuhei | Split apart over the year, conference and Project-Team-Gathering | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | both will be pay-to-attend events | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | You should really read the blog if you have time. | 17:48 |
| lhinds | I heard that too, not sure how I feel about it. | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | “Forum” is the codename for the part of the Design Summit (Ops+Devs) that would still happen at the main Summit event. | 17:49 |
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| tmcpeak | ok, so we just stuff all our actions into forum,problem solved | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | After reading the blog, some parts of it make more sense | 17:49 |
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| lhinds | http://www.openstack.org/blog/2016/05/faq-evolving-the-openstack-design-summit/ | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | So that's homework for everyone :P | 17:50 |
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| tmcpeak | cool | 17:51 |
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| tmcpeak | #topic AOB | 17:51 |
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| hyakuhei | I don't have much to add | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | me neither | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | going once... | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | #endmeeting | 17:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:52 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 25 17:52:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-08-25-17.00.html | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | thanks everybody! | 17:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-08-25-17.00.txt | 17:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-08-25-17.00.log.html | 17:52 |
| lhinds | laters all | 17:52 |
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