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| zigo | #startmeeting deb_packaging | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 12 13:01:58 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zigo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: deb_packaging)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'deb_packaging' | 13:02 |
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| zigo | ping IgorYozhikov zigo tlbr mordred jamespage ddellav coreycb zul onovy strigazi | 13:02 |
| zigo | Please raise your hand! | 13:02 |
| tlbr | o/ | 13:02 |
| zigo | o/ | 13:02 |
| strigazi | o/ | 13:02 |
| ddellav | o/ | 13:03 |
| zigo | ddellav: James Page and Corey aren't comming? | 13:03 |
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| ddellav | zigo: I haven't heard anything from them either way. | 13:04 |
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| zigo | Ok, let's start then. | 13:04 |
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| zigo | #link Agenda at: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-deb-packaging | 13:04 |
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| zigo | #topic Project current status | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Project current status (Meeting topic: deb_packaging)" | 13:04 | |
| zigo | So, most of 3rd party libs are there, and oslo as well. | 13:05 |
| zigo | All of oslo has been uploaded to Experimental with latest change from Alioth. | 13:05 |
| tlbr | I've seen you started adding Keystone. | 13:05 |
| zigo | I fixed the VCS URLs for most of oslo, forgot a few at the begining, and that's the only ones that are done. | 13:05 |
| tlbr | Looks like it builds successfully. | 13:05 |
| zigo | All the others will need patch for it. | 13:05 |
| zigo | Yup, Keystone is the 1st one to be completely built, though that's only Newton B2. | 13:06 |
| tlbr | Ah, got it. Are you planning to update it ? | 13:06 |
| zigo | Now, we needed openstacksdk to have half of the client to build, and the project-config patch containing it just got approved. | 13:06 |
| zigo | It will be merged soon. | 13:06 |
| tlbr | Ok. | 13:06 |
| zigo | tlbr: We need to finish boostraping all the other projects first, but that will be next item on the list, yes. | 13:07 |
| zigo | Remaining python-*client to build: heat, ironic, ironic-inspector, manila, sahara, senlin, watcher, zaqar. | 13:07 |
| onovy | o/ | 13:07 |
| zigo | None were uploaded to Debian, this will have to be done. | 13:07 |
| zigo | Any question? | 13:08 |
| zigo | ddellav: Do you know if the python-*client are up-to-date in Alioth? | 13:08 |
| tlbr | Have you uploaded all the clients ? | 13:08 |
| zigo | ddellav: I mean, same version of upper-constraints.txt ? | 13:08 |
| zigo | tlbr: Nop. | 13:08 |
| zigo | None of them. | 13:08 |
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| zigo | Maybe Canonical did a bit, I didn't check yet. | 13:08 |
| ddellav | zigo as far as i know they are as of last week, thats the last time we did a pass on them | 13:08 |
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| tlbr | zigo, ok, i'll start to upload it today. | 13:09 |
| zigo | ddellav: Super cool, I'll work on it next. | 13:09 |
| zigo | Then it should be ok to start building services. | 13:09 |
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| zigo | ddellav: What about 3rd party libs? | 13:09 |
| onovy | swift + swiftclient are uploaded to debian and in alioth git. don't know if gerrit is in sync | 13:09 |
| zigo | ddellav: Is there some of them stuck in git.debian.org, or where the updates you did uploaded to Debian Experimental? | 13:10 |
| ddellav | zigo we synced everything to global requirements. However I do not know if everything was uploaded to alioth. I only updated the packages and passed them to corey | 13:10 |
| zigo | onovy: I believe these will need a project-config patch, you'll have to check, but probably they don't have gerrit repo yet. | 13:10 |
| zigo | tlbr: Do you think your check script will be available soon? | 13:11 |
| tlbr | zigo, https://github.com/iudovichenko/deb-pkg-scripts | 13:11 |
| zigo | FYI, tlbr wrote a script to check if there's some diff between alioth and Gerrit. | 13:11 |
| tlbr | git_diff.sh in there | 13:11 |
| zigo | Ah, cool ! :) | 13:11 |
| tlbr | :) if you have any concerns please let me know. | 13:12 |
| zigo | #link Check diff between Alioth and Gerrit: https://github.com/iudovichenko/deb-pkg-scripts/blob/master/git_diff.sh | 13:12 |
| zigo | #topic Stackalitycs status | 13:12 |
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| zigo | tlbr: Any update from Ilya ? | 13:12 |
| zigo | He didn't reply to my email... | 13:12 |
| tlbr | zigo, no updates yet. | 13:12 |
| zigo | :/ | 13:13 |
| tlbr | I've started to work on adding custom branches to it config. | 13:13 |
| zigo | tlbr: Could you work on it yourself, or it's too much dealing with Stackalytics internals? | 13:13 |
| tlbr | zigo, well, it is not a simple task. I haven't worked with it before. But anyway, I can ask Ilya to help me with that. | 13:13 |
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| zigo | tlbr: Ok, please keep us up-to-date. | 13:14 |
| tlbr | I just changes its config. :) | 13:14 |
| tlbr | zigo, Ok. | 13:14 |
| zigo | tlbr: That's not what Ilya wrote. He said it needs some new code to be able to ignore the non-packaging branches. | 13:14 |
| zigo | Anyway, moving on... | 13:14 |
| zigo | #topic Canonical participation in packaging-deb | 13:14 |
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| tlbr | zigo, oh, ok. | 13:14 |
| tlbr | May be I will find some traces to do that. | 13:15 |
| zigo | ddellav: What's the current state of your thoughts? Can we count on you guys? | 13:15 |
| tlbr | :) | 13:15 |
| zigo | We'd really love to, and I'd make everything to make you feel comfortable... | 13:15 |
| zigo | (but that, you know already, probably...) | 13:16 |
| tlbr | ddellav, it'd be really great! | 13:16 |
| ddellav | zigo i read the email thread you guys posted to openstack-dev, I do think your points have some merit and I would like to see a more structured approach. However, I think for now we will stick to our current process and pull releases from debian when appropriate. At least that seems to be our teams consensus. | 13:16 |
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| zigo | ddellav: But moving on, we'll be only working with Gerrit and stop using git.debian.org. Does that mean you guys will stop pushing patches completely? | 13:17 |
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| ddellav | zigo as far as I know we will continue to push patches to alioth where they can be pulled by anyone that wishes. I'm not sure if jamespage has any plans to use the openstack infra, however I cannot speak for him. | 13:19 |
| jamespage | zigo, I'll think you'll see participating still - just not sure on what form that will be | 13:19 |
| ddellav | ah there we go | 13:19 |
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| zigo | jamespage: So, we should give you another week to think about it? | 13:19 |
| jamespage | you can give me until barcelona to think about it | 13:20 |
| jamespage | :) | 13:20 |
| jamespage | we're so close to release now its hard to get a feel on real direction | 13:20 |
| tlbr | We can push changes from Gerrit to Alioth but I still think it is not a good idea. =\ | 13:20 |
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| zigo | jamespage: Yes, if you need that. The release is nearly cut, so we wont have much git/gerrit sync issues for until the final release. | 13:20 |
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| jamespage | rest assured we won't push anything to alioth | 13:20 |
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| zigo | Well, I do believe we're on a very good track to release all of Newton using OpenStack CI... | 13:21 |
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| zigo | Anyway, ok, let's give you more time. | 13:21 |
| tlbr | Starting from Okata it'd be also great . :) | 13:21 |
| zigo | #topic ddellav & coreycb DM status | 13:22 |
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| zigo | jamespage: ddellav: It'd be really nice you had DM status and could upload. Have you started? Is it planned? | 13:22 |
| zigo | I'd for sure advocate for you. | 13:22 |
| zigo | Can I help in some ways? | 13:23 |
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| ddellav | zigo it is planned, yes. I'd love your help with any suggestions on how I can prepare or what I should be doing. | 13:23 |
| zigo | ddellav: Do you need pointers to the procedure and such? | 13:24 |
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| zigo | (URLs, etc.) | 13:24 |
| ddellav | zigo not particularly, I have all the wiki posts bookmarked and i read through them regularly | 13:24 |
| ddellav | i just think i need advocates | 13:24 |
| ddellav | and a good way to get them | 13:24 |
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| tlbr | 2 advocates is more then enough I guess. | 13:25 |
| zigo | ddellav: If you just point me that you've started, I'll advicate through nm.debian.org | 13:25 |
| tlbr | *than | 13:25 |
| zigo | Ok, moving on then... | 13:25 |
| zigo | #topic PTL elections & Canonical core reviewer status | 13:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTL elections & Canonical core reviewer status (Meeting topic: deb_packaging)" | 13:25 | |
| ddellav | zigo the only thing holding me back right now is my key. It's not signed yet. I meant to meet up with you in austin but i got sick and spent most of the time in my room and I won't be going to barcelona this year for family reasons. | 13:26 |
| zigo | ddellav: Where do you live? | 13:26 |
| ddellav | i could meet up with corey to get him to sign it but I'm not sure if that's sufficient | 13:26 |
| ddellav | NC, about 2 hours from coreyob | 13:26 |
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| zigo | NC means? | 13:26 |
| ddellav | north carolina, usa | 13:27 |
| zigo | Corey isn't a DM or a DD, so his signature wouldn't help. | 13:27 |
| ddellav | winston salem, specifically | 13:27 |
| ddellav | ok, thats what I thought | 13:27 |
| zigo | ddellav: https://wiki.debian.org/Keysigning/Offers This may help though. | 13:27 |
| zigo | NC, Raleigh-Durham: Eloy Paris <peloy> | 13:28 |
| ddellav | ah ok, there's someone in Raleigh, | 13:28 |
| ddellav | so thats only a couple hours, i could make the trip | 13:28 |
| zigo | ddellav: Is it far from your place? | 13:28 |
| zigo | Cool. | 13:28 |
| zigo | ddellav: Do you have another signature already? Like jamespage one? | 13:28 |
| ddellav | zigo no, no signatures at all. | 13:29 |
| zigo | :/ | 13:29 |
| zigo | You need at least 2. | 13:29 |
| onovy | 2 DD signs needed | 13:29 |
| zigo | I'll let you try to deal with it, maybe in a nearby state. | 13:29 |
| ddellav | i'll figure it out. | 13:29 |
| zigo | ddellav: If you need, you can write to debian-private@lists.debian.org, and ask. Someone may reply ... | 13:30 |
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| ddellav | ok, thanks | 13:30 |
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| zigo | Every DD is automatically subscribed to that list. | 13:30 |
| zigo | Anyway, moving to "PTL elections & Canonical core reviewer status" for real now. | 13:30 |
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| zigo | jamespage: ddellav: To be able to do new upstream release, you need to do a "merge commit", which is an ACL only core reviewers have. | 13:31 |
| zigo | Should we start the procedure to give it to you 3, or should we wait until after Barcelona? | 13:31 |
| jamespage | wait pls | 13:31 |
| zigo | Ok | 13:31 |
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| onovy | zigo: so if i understand it correctly, after swift -> gerrit migration, i can't update it, right? | 13:32 |
| zigo | #action As per jamespage: wait for after Barcelona to promote Canonical server team members to core | 13:32 |
| zigo | onovy: I can do the project-config patches for you after the meeting if you like. Let's talk about it in channel, ok ? | 13:32 |
| onovy | ok | 13:33 |
| zigo | #topic Contributor documentation status | 13:33 |
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| jamespage | wait - what about PTL elections? | 13:33 |
| zigo | Ah, right. | 13:33 |
| zigo | #topic PTL elections | 13:34 |
| jamespage | zigo, I'm assuming you'll be standing? | 13:34 |
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| zigo | jamespage: Will do, yes. | 13:34 |
| zigo | I was wondering if anyone else would ... | 13:34 |
| tlbr | :) | 13:34 |
| zigo | I guess nobody from Canonical yet... | 13:34 |
| zigo | tlbr: You maybe? :) | 13:34 |
| tlbr | maybe Monty liked it a lot. :) | 13:34 |
| tlbr | zigo, not yet :) | 13:35 |
| zigo | LOL | 13:35 |
| tlbr | :D | 13:35 |
| zigo | tlbr: Maybe next cycle? :) | 13:35 |
| tlbr | zigo, maybe :) | 13:35 |
| zigo | jamespage: Anything esle you want to know? | 13:35 |
| jamespage | I won't be standing - a) no commits a b) standing for PTL on another project | 13:35 |
| zigo | Ok. | 13:35 |
| zigo | jamespage: What other project? | 13:35 |
| jamespage | zigo, the one I'm already PTL of - OpenStack Charms | 13:35 |
| zigo | Which was my guess! :) | 13:36 |
| zigo | #action zigo to stand for PTL, nobody else wants to stand for now | 13:36 |
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| zigo | #topic Contributor documentation status | 13:36 |
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| zigo | Contributor "doc" started in the wiki: | 13:37 |
| tlbr | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/DEB-packaging | 13:37 |
| zigo | Thanks, you're faster than I ! :) | 13:37 |
| tlbr | :) | 13:37 |
| zigo | It's only a start, and probably we will move to a sphinx doc within openstack-pkg-tools. | 13:37 |
| tlbr | You've enough information for that, I guess. | 13:37 |
| tlbr | *added | 13:37 |
| zigo | However, I'm really not up to speed with sphinx doc writting skills. | 13:38 |
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| jamespage | zigo, tlbr: its easier to review and manage that way imho | 13:38 |
| zigo | jamespage: ddellav: Any comment on the wiki entries would be appreciated. | 13:38 |
| jamespage | https://docs.openstack.org/developer/charm-guide | 13:38 |
| jamespage | changes can be reviewed just like any other code; wikis are a bit edgey for offical docs imho | 13:38 |
| zigo | It appears down for me right now, I'll look later. | 13:38 |
| tlbr | jamespage, yep, I may do that. | 13:39 |
| zigo | jamespage: I very much agree. Though we needed to have a content to start with. | 13:39 |
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| zigo | Now that we have it, we probably should start with sphinx doc. | 13:39 |
| zigo | Or maybe wait for another week or 2? | 13:39 |
| zigo | tlbr: Your thoughts? | 13:40 |
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| tlbr | zigo, do you want add it to openstack-manuals ? | 13:40 |
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| zigo | tlbr: After some discussions, it looks like openstack-pkg-tools is the right place to use. | 13:41 |
| zigo | It could also be published in docs.openstack.org, that shouldn't be a problem. | 13:41 |
| zigo | I don't know technically how that's done, but it's possible. | 13:41 |
| tlbr | zigo, well, I guess we may start working on it. | 13:41 |
| zigo | Then we'll also have it packaged, so that's double win! | 13:41 |
| tlbr | Yeah, agree. | 13:41 |
| zigo | tlbr: Will you take on starting to move there? Do you have time? | 13:42 |
| tlbr | zigo, Sphinx doc ? | 13:42 |
| zigo | Yup. | 13:42 |
| zigo | I wont have time for it. | 13:42 |
| tlbr | Ok. | 13:42 |
| zigo | I prefer working on the install-guide (which is next topic...). | 13:42 |
| tlbr | I have a proposed change there, added it recently. | 13:42 |
| zigo | You mean the install-guide? | 13:43 |
| tlbr | But already have -1 :P | 13:43 |
| tlbr | Нуы | 13:43 |
| tlbr | yes | 13:43 |
| zigo | Link? :) | 13:43 |
| zigo | Hang on ... | 13:43 |
| zigo | #topic install-guide review and contrib | 13:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "install-guide review and contrib (Meeting topic: deb_packaging)" | 13:43 | |
| zigo | Post your link ... :P | 13:43 |
| tlbr | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/368806/ | 13:43 |
| tlbr | :) | 13:43 |
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| zigo | I think some of it needs discussion, especially the first paragraph, which goes against what we wanted to do. | 13:44 |
| zigo | Let's take the discussion on Gerrit then. | 13:44 |
| zigo | Now, the install-guide team will need a full review of the install procedure. | 13:45 |
| zigo | jamespage: Do you guys already have a working b3 release? | 13:45 |
| tlbr | Ok. | 13:45 |
| zigo | In Debian, not yet, since I've been working on Gerrit stuff, and hoped to be ready with it. | 13:45 |
| jamespage | zigo, yes | 13:45 |
| zigo | Good! :) | 13:46 |
| jamespage | I think coreycb sent to openstack-announce | 13:46 |
| zigo | jamespage: I'd suggest you give an update to the openstack-docs list then. | 13:46 |
| zigo | Ok. | 13:46 |
| zigo | Moving on... | 13:46 |
| zigo | #topic Patch self approval vs peer reviews | 13:47 |
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| zigo | I've been doing a lot of self-approval, but 1/ many were trivial addition of a .gitreview file, or 2/ sync of git from Alioth | 13:47 |
| zigo | So far, we were not using a peer-review process, and it worked quite well. | 13:47 |
| zigo | I was wondering what was the team's view on that. | 13:48 |
| zigo | It is my own opinion that we are grown-ups, and we can judge if a patch needs peer-review or not. | 13:48 |
| zigo | tlbr: jamespage: onovy: Your thoughts? | 13:48 |
| onovy | code review is good thing | 13:48 |
| onovy | but we are small now | 13:48 |
| tlbr | zigo, May be once we'll finish with bootstraping ? | 13:48 |
| onovy | after bootstraping, we can try | 13:49 |
| zigo | Yes, but some trivial changes shouldn't be slowed down by the procedure either. | 13:49 |
| tlbr | Actually we just re-use what is already done. | 13:49 |
| zigo | tlbr: That, IMO, we already agreed on the exception of bootstraping everything. | 13:49 |
| zigo | So let's take that aside. | 13:49 |
| zigo | But after? | 13:49 |
| jamespage | ftr even for a trivial change we require peer +2 before landing in charms | 13:49 |
| tlbr | zigo, ok, got it. | 13:49 |
| jamespage | but after bootstrap would make sense | 13:49 |
| onovy | my opinion is to use code review everytime, even for simple change | 13:50 |
| tlbr | I agree with jamespage. | 13:50 |
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| onovy | my guys already screwed production "with small changes" without code review :) | 13:50 |
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| tlbr | :) | 13:50 |
| zigo | Ok, 3 persons for peer reviews, I haven't expressed an opinion and it's not even needed. | 13:50 |
| tlbr | Ok, let's then review every change afterwards. | 13:51 |
| zigo | So let's do that ! :) | 13:51 |
| zigo | tlbr: onovy: Will you have time for reviewing patches? | 13:51 |
| tlbr | zigo, sure! | 13:51 |
| zigo | Because it will be just the 3 of us until Barcelona ... | 13:51 |
| zigo | (since IgorYozhikov will be doing something else...) | 13:51 |
| tlbr | Yep. | 13:52 |
| tlbr | Next topic ? | 13:52 |
| zigo | Sure. | 13:52 |
| zigo | #topic signed tags for debian/1.2.3-4 uploads | 13:52 |
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| zigo | So, I had this topic in mind, but after some tries, I believe the procedure works. | 13:52 |
| zigo | So I will just explain, so everyone else is on the same page. | 13:53 |
| zigo | On each new merged commit, the OpenStack CI will increase the build number. | 13:53 |
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| jamespage | really? | 13:53 |
| zigo | Meaning version 1.2.3-4 will become 1.2.3-4+5 after 5 commits. | 13:53 |
| zigo | In fact, 1.2.3-4+5~bpo8+1. | 13:54 |
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| zigo | That is only so that reprepro is happy importing new releases... | 13:54 |
| zigo | That's not a big issue. | 13:54 |
| zigo | The issue is with tagging. | 13:54 |
| zigo | Since the system is using "git describe" to find out how many commits. | 13:54 |
| zigo | So, in order to not break anything the procedure should be: | 13:55 |
| onovy | zigo: sure4 | 13:55 |
| zigo | 1/ Make sure everything is rightly commited in Gerrit | 13:55 |
| zigo | 2/ Upload to debian | 13:55 |
| zigo | 3/ git tag -s debian/1.2.3-4 -m "Debian release 1.2.3-4" | 13:55 |
| zigo | 4/ git push gerrit --tags | 13:55 |
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| zigo | If you do that, this will reset the number of commits. | 13:55 |
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| onovy | q1) is it possible to replace tags in gerrit? | 13:56 |
| zigo | Meaning the next thing the CI will produce will be 1.2.3-4+1 | 13:56 |
| zigo | If we had 5 commits earlier, that wont work. | 13:56 |
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| onovy | because dak can say: REJECT :] | 13:56 |
| zigo | Which is why your next commit *MUST* open a new Debian release 1.2.3-5 | 13:56 |
| zigo | onovy: Not dak, reprepro here in the OpenStack CI. But that's the same idea... | 13:56 |
| onovy | 2/ Upload to debian | 13:57 |
| onovy | dak replies: REJECT | 13:57 |
| onovy | how can i fix + retag? | 13:57 |
| zigo | So, on the next CR, it should normally produce 1.2.3-5+1~bpo8+1 | 13:57 |
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| zigo | Note that everything is quite silent, only the POST job will fail, so you should all pay attention. | 13:57 |
| zigo | onovy: I don't think ou can "fix" tags, no. | 13:57 |
| zigo | onovy: Though, for things like dogpile.cache, it's fine to re-tag upstream tags, for example with: | 13:58 |
| onovy | so if someones forgots to call 'dch -r', tags it, gerrit-push it, noone can fix it? | 13:58 |
| zigo | git tag -s 0.6.2 rel_0_6_2 | 13:58 |
| zigo | git push gerrit --tags | 13:58 |
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| zigo | onovy: The problem if you forget to tag, is that you will have to do it *after*, which will break the increasing build number that uses git describe. | 13:59 |
| onovy | will we code-review tags? :) | 13:59 |
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| zigo | So you'll break the POST import job until the increment goes high enough... | 13:59 |
| zigo | onovy: That's unfortunately not possible with Gerrit. | 13:59 |
| zigo | Anyway, that's said. | 13:59 |
| zigo | Let's switch to last topic: | 13:59 |
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| zigo | #topic Schedule (time & day) for next meeting | 14:00 |
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| zigo | jamespage: onovy: tlbr: ddellav: We discussed about 8pm UTC on Monday, is it still fine? | 14:00 |
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| ddellav | zigo that works for me | 14:00 |
| zigo | Will correy be able to attend? | 14:00 |
| jamespage | youch - that time generally is tricky for me | 14:00 |
| onovy | it's 10pm during summer for my TZ | 14:00 |
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| zigo | onovy: Same over here, which is convenient: kids are asleep already! :) | 14:01 |
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| zigo | onovy: Is that too late for you? | 14:01 |
| onovy | 1-2pm utc is much better for me | 14:01 |
| ddellav | he should be able to attend, yes, at least nothing on his calendar has him busy at that time | 14:01 |
| zigo | onovy: This doesn't work for West coast guys like ddellav and corey. | 14:01 |
| onovy | right | 14:02 |
| zigo | jamespage: Would the same time another day of the week be ok for you? | 14:02 |
| jamespage | don't block on me | 14:02 |
| jamespage | I'll make it if I can | 14:02 |
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| * bauzas glares at zigo for the clock :p | 14:03 | |
| jamespage | evenings are generally awkward due to pesonal commitment | 14:03 |
| * edleafe glares too | 14:03 | |
| jamespage | xig | 14:03 |
| onovy | ok, so 8pm is "fine" for me | 14:03 |
| zigo | Ok, let's do that for next week, and see if it works. | 14:03 |
| zigo | No time for open discussion. | 14:03 |
| zigo | Thanks guys. | 14:03 |
| zigo | #endmeeting | 14:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 12 14:03:25 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/deb_packaging/2016/deb_packaging.2016-09-12-13.01.html | 14:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/deb_packaging/2016/deb_packaging.2016-09-12-13.01.txt | 14:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/deb_packaging/2016/deb_packaging.2016-09-12-13.01.log.html | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 12 14:03:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| zigo | Le'ts continue on #openstack-pkg | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:03 |
| edleafe | who's here? | 14:03 |
| Yingxin | o/ | 14:03 |
| cdent | o/ | 14:03 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:03 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:03 |
| * bauzas with very little support tho | 14:03 | |
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| edleafe | This should be super-quick | 14:04 |
| cdent | jay's either on a plane, or on his way to. He promises to review resource provider related stuff on the place | 14:04 |
| bauzas | and I need to do my homework as well | 14:04 |
| edleafe | cdent: or even the plane? | 14:04 |
| edleafe | :_) | 14:04 |
| bauzas | but for the moment, working on a regression bugfix | 14:04 |
| edleafe | Anyway, everything we need to focus on is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/placement-next | 14:05 |
| cdent | edleafe: that too :) | 14:05 |
| cdent | we probably need to take a moment (now or after) to make sure that etherpad is up to date, but yeah, it's the center of things at the moment | 14:05 |
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| edleafe | One thing that just came up, though, is alex_xu's comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/368035 | 14:05 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: thanks | 14:06 |
| bauzas | cdent: at least focusing on the "Things we need for Newton" section, hope people can understand :) | 14:06 |
| edleafe | that involves including the RP generation both a the request level, and at each individual inventory record | 14:06 |
| alex_xu | question about why we have two resource_provider_generation in the request | 14:06 |
| edleafe | bauzas: good point | 14:06 |
| edleafe | cdent: can you comment on that? | 14:06 |
| edleafe | (the multiple generation question) | 14:06 |
| cdent | alex_xu: I think the gist there is that the generation at the top level is required, the one within the inventory itself is ignored, but allowed to be there because it is required in the post | 14:07 |
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| cdent | so if you have code that is generating inventories for both situations you can reuse it | 14:07 |
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| cdent | it is weird | 14:07 |
| bauzas | okay, so we don't have schemas validating the JSON output ? | 14:07 |
| alex_xu | cdent: ok, so we still have use that old format, right? | 14:08 |
| cdent | it comes about because there was originally only POSTing one inventory at /inventories and then PUT for several inventories at /inventories was added | 14:08 |
| bauzas | could we maybe enforce that (the JSON output) at the unittest level ? | 14:08 |
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| cdent | schemas are not set for output, just input | 14:08 |
| bauzas | cdent: is gabbit able to enforce that ? | 14:08 |
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| bauzas | I mean validing our outputs ? | 14:09 |
| cdent | validation of the output is currently only done in the gabbi tests but unit tests are possible as well, if that's desired | 14:09 |
| cdent | bauzas: they already do don't they? | 14:09 |
| bauzas | cdent: sorry I'm unclear | 14:09 |
| cdent | that is: the gabbi tests would fail if the output wasn't what the gabbit tests wanted | 14:09 |
| bauzas | cdent: I know we do validate the output with gabbi | 14:09 |
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| bauzas | cdent: but we validate that per-field, right? | 14:09 |
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| bauzas | cdent: I was more or less thinking of comparing the whole dict | 14:09 |
| cdent | the jsonpaths won't work if the overall structure isn't right | 14:10 |
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| cdent | but yes, there's not single chunk that validates an entire structure | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: you mean like the tempest tests that run the output validation json schema things? | 14:10 |
| bauzas | cdent: I'm asking that for clarity, ie. something we could point users to | 14:10 |
| bauzas | cdent: for the moment, we can only point to specs, right? | 14:10 |
| cdent | Yes, we could. If you think we should do it now, instead of ocata, could you make a bug? | 14:11 |
| bauzas | cdent: not really for Newton-ishb | 14:11 |
| cdent | k | 14:11 |
| bauzas | cdent: it's related to the point I missed alex_xu's point mostly because I guess I haven't correctly figured out the JSON output in my mind | 14:11 |
| * cdent nods | 14:12 | |
| alex_xu | cdent: the currently code didn't use the generation for each inventory...why we need keep that? | 14:12 |
| cdent | alex_xu: we don't _need_ to keep it, but as I said above it is more flexible to do so: "so if you have code that is generating inventories for both situations you can reuse it" | 14:13 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: well, I'm rather thinking of the api sample tests that verify the response too | 14:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I get you now, the samples that then flow into the API docs | 14:13 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I like reading the api sample templates everytime I'm looking for some API response | 14:14 |
| cdent | bauzas, johnthetubaguy: we can write, in gabbi if we want to, tests that validate the full request and full response. Most of the gabbi tests right now validate only parts of the response, as they aren't intended to be testing the serializers, but as bauzas points out doing so would make good inspectability | 14:14 |
| bauzas | because I'm getting the whole JSON schema | 14:14 |
| alex_xu | cdent: ah, thanks | 14:14 |
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| bauzas | anyway, that's something not really needed for Newton, so no rush | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | cdent: yeah, something to capture / check the samples would be good, but yeah, thats of next time | 14:14 |
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| edleafe | PRobably was good not to have it now, as the structures changed so often as we figured things out | 14:16 |
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| edleafe | But once they settle down... | 14:16 |
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| cdent | edleafe++ | 14:16 |
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| edleafe | So cdent - is there anything we can help with (besides reviews)? | 14:17 |
| * edleafe has a few spare cycles | 14:17 | |
| cdent | I seem to recall there was a bug posted late last week about something to do with migrations and allocations? | 14:17 |
| * cdent looks for it | 14:17 | |
| bauzas | cdent: yeah, we don't track migrations like we should | 14:18 |
| cdent | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1621709 | 14:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1621709 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "There is no allocation record for migration action" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Alex Xu (xuhj) | 14:18 |
| alex_xu | yea, I file that bug | 14:18 |
| bauzas | cdent: we only reconcile when we run the periodic update | 14:18 |
| alex_xu | but after check the situation, looks like not very easy one | 14:18 |
| bauzas | oh, alex_xu, you're on it ? | 14:18 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: do you need help with that? I can pick it up after your day ends | 14:18 |
| cdent | is the periodic thing not sufficient? | 14:19 |
| bauzas | alex_xu: well, that seems easy to me | 14:19 |
| bauzas | cdent: it is | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | the problem is failed live-migrates I assume? | 14:19 |
| alex_xu | ok, you guys can free to take it :) | 14:19 |
| bauzas | cdent: so that's not really a big deal for newton, only a stretch goal | 14:19 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: live migrations are worst than that | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, its not a big deal for newton | 14:19 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: nothing failed, just we needn't record for claim | 14:19 |
| cdent | the other thing, which mriedem wanted now not later, was https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1621888 | 14:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1621888 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "placement-api http responses are not marked for translation" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Chris Dent (cdent) | 14:19 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: here, I'm talking of resizes and cold migrations | 14:19 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: agree | 14:19 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: because we have the MoveClaim | 14:20 |
| cdent | which I'v assigned myself, but I was leaving it until the representations and logs really settled | 14:20 |
| cdent | which I'm assuming won't be the case until the resource tracker has stabilized | 14:20 |
| mriedem | cdent: we should just fix that today | 14:20 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: but, but, we don't have any claims for live-migration, which is evel | 14:20 |
| bauzas | evil | 14:20 |
| igordcard | :q | 14:20 |
| mriedem | RC1 is on thursday | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, long term, if you don't have a claim, and new instance takes the spot of the place you want to move to, it all goes odd | 14:20 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: which means that even if we add the placement api call on migrations, we'd still derail on live-migs | 14:20 |
| cdent | mriedem: there's a couple of server side things to merge, hopefully today. | 14:21 |
| bauzas | but then the world would be fixed every 60 secs | 14:21 |
| alex_xu | and we didn't cleanup the allocation which compute node didn't know in the update_available_resource | 14:21 |
| bauzas | okay, I need to get done my cellsv2 patch super quick so I can help with the migration allocation patch | 14:22 |
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| mriedem | fyi, we have a grenade full job that runs with the placement API in the experimental queue | 14:22 |
| cdent | mriedem++ | 14:22 |
| mriedem | if you're working on placement changes, you can 'check experimental' that | 14:22 |
| bauzas | mriedem: <3 | 14:23 |
| edleafe | mriedem: kewl | 14:23 |
| Yingxin | there might be another bug that "can_host" is always 0 for compute node resource providers | 14:23 |
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| cdent | Yingxin: ah, good catch. I think we've probably just forgotten that | 14:23 |
| Yingxin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1622538 | 14:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1622538 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Wrong "can_host" field of compute node resource providers" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Yingxin (cyx1231st) | 14:24 |
| Yingxin | easy fix | 14:24 |
| cdent | Yingxin: I suspect that was just an oversight when doing the PUT | 14:24 |
| Yingxin | cdent: yup | 14:24 |
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| cdent | dansmith: is your inventory stuff synced up with jay's representation changes? | 14:25 |
| edleafe | Be sure to update the etherpad with these bugs and their fixes | 14:25 |
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| edleafe | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1621709 | 14:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1621709 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "There is no allocation record for migration action" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Alex Xu (xuhj) | 14:26 |
| edleafe | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1622538 | 14:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1622538 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Wrong "can_host" field of compute node resource providers" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Yingxin (cyx1231st) | 14:26 |
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| Yingxin | edleafe: ok | 14:26 |
| cdent | edleafe: in terms of "things to do to help" I reckon it's the same as last time: just try it in devstack and see what's wrong | 14:27 |
| mriedem | are we holding up rc1 for those bugs? | 14:27 |
| cdent | there are things like: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1620748 | 14:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1620748 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "In placement when an attempt is made to write to missing inventory the error message is ugly" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Chris Dent (cdent) | 14:27 |
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| cdent | which are not critical, but present | 14:27 |
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| edleafe | cdent: ok | 14:28 |
| cdent | mriedem: migration one probably not, can_host probably yes | 14:28 |
| cdent | but the latter is a very quick fix | 14:28 |
| mriedem | my assumption is we're not going to hold rc1 for placement bugs as it's optional | 14:28 |
| mriedem | and bugs can be backported | 14:28 |
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| * cdent shrugs | 14:28 | |
| mriedem | but hit me up if there is something ready that people feel we should get in | 14:28 |
| cdent | I don't understand all these rules and regulations :) | 14:28 |
| dansmith | cdent: no, I should probably rebase that on his I guess | 14:29 |
| dansmith | cdent: I had expected mine to be merged already and that his would just fix it up in place, but... | 14:29 |
| * cdent nods at dansmith with ellipsis in his eyes | 14:30 | |
| edleafe | cdent: http://ru.memegenerator.net/instance/63122651 | 14:30 |
| bauzas | well, MHO is that I don't think we should hold RC1 for placement bugs - but, RC2 and later could be a possibility | 14:30 |
| dansmith | mriedem: placement api changes should go in before rc1 if we can | 14:30 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: otherwise it's pretty messy | 14:30 |
| mriedem | dansmith: sure, but the range of what those changes are is pretty diverse | 14:31 |
| dansmith | mriedem: there's only one left, AFAIK | 14:31 |
| dansmith | this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/368035/ | 14:31 |
| mriedem | ok, um https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/placement-next | 14:32 |
| mriedem | whoever is updating the 'things we need for newton' | 14:32 |
| mriedem | are we sure? | 14:32 |
| mriedem | my point is let's just make sure the list in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/placement-next is sane | 14:33 |
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| mriedem | anyway, i'll be hitting up people later after meetings | 14:33 |
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| edleafe | ...or just hitting people | 14:33 |
| cdent | huh | 14:33 |
| cdent | I apparently never have enough context when people mention things whether they mean now or later | 14:34 |
| cdent | Nor does the arbitrariness of it all ever become clear | 14:34 |
| mriedem | if something is going to bad to backport, | 14:35 |
| mriedem | or make placement much worse to migrate to if you don't have it at rc1, | 14:35 |
| mriedem | then let's mark it for rc1 | 14:35 |
| mriedem | but like the translation bug can be a non-rc1 thing | 14:35 |
| dansmith | definitely | 14:35 |
| dansmith | mriedem: I just made some updates to the list | 14:35 |
| cdent | mriedem: so, on the translation thing, why do _any_ of it now instead of just waiting? | 14:35 |
| dansmith | mriedem: three patches for newton, but one is the critical, the others could go later if we *had* to | 14:35 |
| cdent | your comments on the bug is confusing | 14:36 |
| mriedem | cdent: b/c it'll take 5 minutes to do it? | 14:37 |
| mriedem | and there will be translations after rc1 | 14:37 |
| cdent | sure, but then we have some of it marked and some of it not, which just seems weird | 14:37 |
| mriedem | i'm unclear on why we're waiting for things on the server side that's preventing us from translating the api side | 14:37 |
| mriedem | s/server/RT/ | 14:38 |
| mriedem | unless api == server | 14:38 |
| cdent | api does == server | 14:38 |
| cdent | because the bug is about api responses | 14:38 |
| mriedem | anyway, if there are new changes that are adding new exceptions, then let's just mark those for translatoin in the changes that introduces them... | 14:38 |
| mriedem | and not add more gorp | 14:38 |
| cdent | k | 14:39 |
| edleafe | Anything else? | 14:39 |
| edleafe | Or do we get back to work? | 14:39 |
| mriedem | back to the pile | 14:40 |
| * edleafe only hears the ringing in my ears | 14:40 | |
| edleafe | ok, everyone - thanks! | 14:40 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:40 |
| bauzas | please | 14:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 12 14:40:35 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-09-12-14.03.html | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-09-12-14.03.txt | 14:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-09-12-14.03.log.html | 14:40 |
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| marst | Guys, when the meeting is over - would it be possible for someone to spare 5-15 minutes? I had a few stupid/trivial questions about scheduler things. | 14:41 |
| marst | Or I can comeback after RC1. :) | 14:41 |
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| anteaya | marst: best to join the #openstack-nova channel and ask there | 14:58 |
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| ankur-gupta-f1 | hi Ihar | 15:00 |
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| Manjeets_ | O/ | 15:00 |
| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 12 15:01:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | hi all | 15:01 |
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| asingh | o/ | 15:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:01 |
| sindhu | Hi | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:01 |
| dasanind_ | Hi | 15:01 |
| electrocucaracha | o/ | 15:01 |
| korzen | hello | 15:01 |
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| electrocucaracha | welcome back korzen | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | rossella_: are you with us? | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | :) | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | not much to announce; we'll have newton-rc1 released this week, after which master will be open for Ocata | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:03 |
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| rossella_ | ihrachys, yep | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | grenade linuxbridge job is still in experimental, we are basically waiting for stable/newton branch creation, so that we don't need to follow a huge number of devstack backports to fix it | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | since master will then gate grenade against stable/newton, we should have all the needed linuxbridge/devstack fixes to proceed | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | abregman and jschwarz will take a look | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | other than that, I believe jobs are behaving fine. there is more work to do in terms of gate setup definitions (moving services to secondary nodes, checking dvr tests), so if people have cycles, there is work to join. | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | first Newton | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | we basically track two things | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | 1. expose db_obj on objects: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348279/ | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | (plus its dependency https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367268/ ) | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | 2. not failing on unknown API filters: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365659/ by electrocucaracha | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | for the 1st one, it passes the gate, no negative comments so far. | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | for the 2nd one, it's good, though small nits to consider + we now need a bug reported and targeted for RC1 for everything we land | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I hope you will get to report the bug and update the patch? | 15:07 |
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| electrocucaracha | yes, I was planning to create the bug today | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I believe next iteration should be ready to go in :) | 15:08 |
| manjeets- | ihrachys, for everything you mean every patch ? | 15:08 |
| ihrachys | manjeets-: just those that are tracked for Newton | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | manjeets-: which are afaik just two those pieces | 15:09 |
| manjeets- | ok | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | manjeets-: for ocata, we are sticking to blueprint still | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | ok, now for Ocata. as I said, next week master will be open | 15:09 |
| korzen | I've seen that ocata is going to be very short | 15:09 |
| korzen | ending in Feb | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | I am hopeful we will be able to land most model relocation patches then. | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | korzen: yeah, it's 4.5 months | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | which may impact some of our plans. | 15:10 |
| electrocucaracha | I included the progress in the spreadsheet | 15:10 |
| manjeets- | hopefully we'll make all ovo implementation by then | 15:10 |
| electrocucaracha | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FeeQlQITsZSj_wpOXiLbS36dirb_arX0XEWBdFVPMB8/edit#gid=1434170112 | 15:10 |
| korzen | I'm seeing that rc1 is Jan 30 | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | manjeets-: electrocucaracha: anyone from your team already looking at reusing existing objects for database code? | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | I mean, things like subnet or port or network or sec group | 15:11 |
| manjeets- | you mean implementing those ? | 15:12 |
| korzen | subnet is partially covered | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | korzen: good, though I believe the patch is still not in shape to pass CI? | 15:12 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets-: more like using in plugin code what's already merged. | 15:12 |
| electrocucaracha | well, I think that it's not reusing, they are creating new ones that depends on those objects or working on the integration | 15:12 |
| korzen | ihrachys, it is passing but with hacks | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | manjeets-: we have quite some OVO objects that are not hooked into plugin code, and I believe it's of no one benefit to keep it long that way. objects rot. | 15:13 |
| korzen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321001/ get, update and delete converted to Subnet OVO usage | 15:13 |
| korzen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351740/ create subnet converted to OVO | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I talk about integration | 15:13 |
| manjeets- | yea and currently some have api are not passing context and are passing session directly | 15:14 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets-: right, those will land as needs arise. | 15:14 |
| manjeets- | I thought we can build context on fly before calling object api without modifying the create update api | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets-: ? context contains a lot of valuable info that you cannot just drop, like auth info. | 15:16 |
| manjeets- | yes thats the reason we have to modify the api | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | not sure it's API though. it's just internal functions. If that's indeed api somewhere, we may need to do something smarter, that would be more compatible. | 15:17 |
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| manjeets- | ihrachys, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/363206/ | 15:19 |
| manjeets- | example change | 15:19 |
| ihrachys | manjeets-: but is the code used outside the neutron tree? | 15:19 |
| asingh | ihrachys while integration, got CORE plugin not found error , https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359379/8/neutron/tests/unit/scheduler/test_dhcp_agent_scheduler.py does it look acceptable? | 15:20 |
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| manjeets- | ihrachys, I don't know about that at the moment will check if it is used outside tree or not | 15:20 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets-: looking at codesearch.openstack.org, I don't see any usage outside the tree, it seems more like internal classes. | 15:20 |
| manjeets- | so then we are good | 15:20 |
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| manjeets- | we can change that to context | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | asingh: yeah, we need it because objects rely on plugin instance. we may think about moving that into base test case class though because we already have it in quite some places. | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | ok. next week we should be ready to restart active implementation. I hope folks will prepare patches in queue for that so that we can land them quicker. | 15:21 |
| ihrachys | #topic Other patches on review | 15:22 |
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| manjeets- | ihrachys, in newton they were delayed because of priority but assuming in ocata they will be higher priority ?? | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | manjeets-: yeah, we actually had some discussions with PTL about raising priority, and there are some ideas on how to make it happen. | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | manjeets-: it's of no one's benefit to linger foundational features for cycles | 15:23 |
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| ihrachys | ok, I checked my queue, I don't see any patches of interest for the team. | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | let's switch to the last section and discuss anything you may have there | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:25 |
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| ankur-gupta-f1 | sindhu: had a question | 15:25 |
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| manjeets- | ihrachys, i'll rebase networkdns and portdns patch for implementation on top of your ovo port patch this week | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | manjeets-: ok, thanks. | 15:25 |
| asingh | ihrachys while integration of segment host host mapping, current implementation combines 4 queries , https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/db/ipam_backend_mixin.py#L667-#L679 . | 15:25 |
| asingh | Final query looks like http://paste.openstack.org/show/572359/ | 15:25 |
| asingh | ihrachys It includes Subnet, SubnetServiceType and SegmentHostMapping OVO. | 15:26 |
| asingh | How should i got about it? | 15:26 |
| sindhu | ihrachys: just a small confusion regarding whether to have the ovo creation and integration in same patch or different patch? (considering its use for push notification) | 15:27 |
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| * electrocucaracha was thinking in the same question as sindhu | 15:27 | |
| manjeets- | ihrachys, for joins should be issue a get_object on each model and and make a list then filter out based on join conditions ? | 15:27 |
| manjeets- | should we** //should be | 15:28 |
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| ihrachys | asingh: the way I see it, you pick an object that is of more relevance here (subnet?) and add a classmethod there that will do the job. we won't be able to get rid of model interrelationships completely, so the goal is at least to isolate model mess under neutron/objects/. | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | sindhu: I would say, case by case. if the object is huge and integration is not obvious, consider split. but otherwise better not to. | 15:29 |
| dasanind_ | ihrachys: i have a query with_lockmode update https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers/type_vlan.py#L105. Do you have any suggestion how to go about it? | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets-: the problem with using object API to mimic queries is that then you have multiple queries instead of a single one | 15:29 |
| ihrachys | and multiple is bad for scaling | 15:30 |
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| ihrachys | so it's better to stick to query builder. | 15:30 |
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| manjeets- | yea that is less efficient | 15:30 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha had some ideas about making synthetic fields work as advanced filters, though it's not obvious how to expose that kind of behaviour in a generic way. | 15:30 |
| korzen | I like the idea of per class classmethods | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | dasanind_: I admit I don't know much about the lock, but I would imagine we may need to keep it. now, the question is whether we need to expose that kind of behaviour through common objects API, or just keep it the way it is now, just in another place. | 15:32 |
| korzen | maybe after few implementation we will have good idea how to implement it in generic way | 15:33 |
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| manjeets- | ihrachys, if that's the only place it is used there we may not need to expose it through object api | 15:33 |
| dasanind_ | ihrachys: yeah in this query I am not sure how to introduce the object. It's acquiring lock on the table and updating the table | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | + to what korzen said. it's probably easier to start from actual use cases, then seek for commonality, then implement everything we may stumble on in a generic way right away | 15:33 |
| electrocucaracha | korzen: I like that strategy for looking patters or things in common | 15:34 |
| dasanind_ | ihrachys: if i try to separate this I will run into integrity error | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | dasanind_: it can be a huge class method on the object that does the same as now, for the time being. | 15:35 |
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| dasanind_ | ihrachys: you mean keep the query same as now?? | 15:35 |
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| electrocucaracha | I think that ihrachys is suggesting to extract those complex queries into class methods | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | dasanind_: I would need to look into details. but yeah, that would be my first attempt. do you think we can remodel the query without losing db optimizations? | 15:36 |
| dasanind_ | ihrachys: will look into that and let you know | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: right, and place all those dirty things under neutron/objects/ under respective object definitions. | 15:37 |
| manjeets- | for now it'll be good electrocucaracha | 15:37 |
| dasanind_ | electrocucaracha: ok | 15:37 |
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| ihrachys | we will make sure we tag everything we hate about the code with TODOs :) | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | when moving | 15:38 |
| electrocucaracha | we can handle the db schema changes from the ovo later which is the main purpose | 15:38 |
| dasanind_ | ihrachys: sure | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | then it's a matter of resources to get it into better shape. I don't want us to spend too much time now solving problems that honestly are not induced by our effort. :) | 15:38 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: regarding TODOs, we should consider some time during ocata for complete them | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: yeah, I have quite some on my plate :) | 15:39 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: if it's tech debt, we should not add more; if it's just 'things to implement later', I am fine to land it that way. | 15:40 |
| dasanind_ | ihrachys: In this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348279 we are exposing the database model for NeutronDbObject instances. Will it not impact the rolling upgrades? | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | dasanind_: assuming plugins don't rely on any new nasty things, I don't see it affecting us much. | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | dasanind: and btw we detach the model from session just in case | 15:42 |
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| ihrachys | dasanind: so plugins can't really do much with it except read from its attributes | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | dasanind: we will need to switch our plugin API to objects though. | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | dasanind: it's just that we are not ready to do it across the board. | 15:42 |
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| ihrachys | dasanind: and we have no plan implemented yet on how to evolve the current plugins API that relies on models. | 15:43 |
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| ihrachys | dasanind: so it's a matter of switching all the code to objects, then working on some evolving solution, then taking some more time to deprecate models for plugins API. it's not a single cycle job. | 15:44 |
| dasanind_ | ihrachys: makes sense. | 15:44 |
| dasanind_ | ihrachys: these plugin API's have the capability to update the db as well correct? | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | dasanind: most current plugin code does pass an attached model, so yeah, in theory they can do it | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | dasanind: though it's my belief, and some other people agree, that's unsafe and hence we should be able to break people that try to rely on it | 15:46 |
| dasanind_ | ihrachys: so with the introduction of OVO they will be able to use the plugin API to read the attributes but update will break | 15:47 |
| electrocucaracha | so eventually, we have to create more class methods for plugins | 15:47 |
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| ihrachys | dasanind: yeah, kinda. I hope we won't need to attach the model. :) | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: not sure I follow | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: you mean for very specific queries? yes | 15:48 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: exactly | 15:49 |
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| dasanind_ | ihrachys: thank you for the clarification | 15:49 |
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| ihrachys | ok, I guess it's time to end the meeting :) we'll meet again in a week when we will have the master branch open and unicorns everywhere. | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | see ya | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 12 15:50:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-09-12-15.01.html | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-09-12-15.01.txt | 15:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-09-12-15.01.log.html | 15:50 |
| korzen | thanks bye | 15:50 |
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| dasanind_ | thanks | 15:51 |
| asingh | thanks | 15:51 |
| electrocucaracha | bye | 15:51 |
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| manjeets- | ihrachys, we ended 10 mins early | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | manjeets-: right. did you have anything more to discuss? | 15:52 |
| manjeets- | i had one question a change in base_test broke the unit tests in external network ovo patch | 15:53 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets-: ok let's move to neutron channel and run thru details | 15:54 |
| manjeets- | ok thanks | 15:54 |
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| sindhu | thanks bye | 15:57 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 12 16:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero, haypo | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for ihrachys, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for lifeless, lintan, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| redrobot | o/ | 16:00 |
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| harlowja_at_home | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | \o/ | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | \o | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:01 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | yo yo | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:01 |
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| bknudson | haven't heard of any keystone issues | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | any issues for folks to report, looks like oslo.db release seems to be fine now :) | 16:02 |
| johnsom | Nothing to report here | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:02 |
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| ihrachys | nothing from neutron I believe | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html for folks also | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | RC1 I guess this week | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | ihrachys, great, good good | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | less issues the better ;) | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | especially considering the mess I triggered the last time :P | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:04 |
| harlowja_at_home | it all got worked through, no worries ;) | 16:04 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Ongoing work and specs and reviews | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ongoing work and specs and reviews (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:05 | |
| harlowja_at_home | so I think folks are mostly working on docs, examples and such right now :) | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | if people also want to look @ https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo-specs that'd be great to | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | if some of those are dead/outdated/need updating, getting around to adjusting those; sooner (rather than later) would be super | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | lxsli, some of the ones u have might need adjusting? | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | (as well as some of my own, ha) | 16:07 |
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| harlowja_at_home | any other reviews that people want to highlight so that we can get some eyes on them? | 16:08 |
| kgiusti | some doc updates https://review.openstack.org/#/c/368513/ for the messaging peeps | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx kgiusti (i read that over a little while ago, looks good) | 16:08 |
| lxsli | harlowja_at_home: yeah I'll take a look | 16:09 |
| kgiusti | made some "intelligent" guesses - oversight is needed. | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | kgiusti, def makes me think we need some kind of 'capabilities table' or something for each driver | 16:09 |
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| kgiusti | def - where we know the "known unknowns" - stuff that's not implemented | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | other one i'd also really like soonish is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229194/ | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | keep on finding various hacky exception transfer (serialize/unserialize) functions in various places | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | nova cells has 1 variant, oslo.messaging has a similar variant, (i forget wherelse, ha) | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/cells/messaging.py#L1869 (not kidding, ha) | 16:12 |
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| harlowja_at_home | maybe i'll throw something together for that this week | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Ocata summit planning | 16:13 |
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| harlowja_at_home | just a reminder for folks to add on to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-oslo-summit-planning with ideas and such :) | 16:14 |
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| harlowja_at_home | (comes out of #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/102553.html ) | 16:14 |
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| harlowja_at_home | if folks want to discuss specs, new things, new ideas, ... please put them in that etherpad so we can schedule them :) | 16:15 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:16 |
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| harlowja_at_home | guess it's a short meeting :-P | 16:16 |
| harlowja_at_home | anything else people want to bring up (i'm guessing most everyone busy trying to get RC1 newton and ... going) | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | PTL nominations also! | 16:17 |
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| harlowja_at_home | if people want to run (i probably will do it again also) then don't forget to jump in :) | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | the more the merrier | 16:18 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ Sorry I am late. | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | o/ | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | jungleboyj, how goes it? | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | Nothing to report from Cinder that I am aware of. | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | thx :) | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | glad that the ship is sailing smoothly | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | (at least for oslo, ha) | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/?groupKey=build_name&resolutionKey=hour&searchProject=-with-oslo also look ok | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | cue i need to talk to a person about (not sure its ever getting fixed...) | 16:20 |
| bknudson | so we've released everything for newton | 16:20 |
| bknudson | we've got stable branches | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | right | 16:20 |
| bknudson | so we're good to be adding new features to master or still holding off? | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | i think features are fine, although i'd prefer spec time and docs and examples (but that's just me) | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | cause i think https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo-specs could use a refresh/cleanup/... | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | but sure, if people want to do super-features, that's ok, be nice to have a spec for those (if people are willing/able to) | 16:23 |
| bknudson | ok, just wanted to make sure that we're ok to approve non-bugfixes. | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, should be ok :) | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | the coast is clear (for now, ha) | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | #action harlowja_at_home see about basic periodic jobs for N-1 release | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | i notice that the periodic jobs we have don't really run on the last stable so i'd like to get those going | 16:25 |
| bknudson | what's that testing? | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | master right now | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | dsvm + master | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | and then libs + each projects master | 16:27 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i'll see if i can get something for N-1, gotta chat with some folks as to why that's not done, or not useful or... (or maybe it already exists) | 16:27 |
| bknudson | are there even enough changes in stable branches? | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | a few, not a ton | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | may not be worth it, or could be worth it to run it periodically (weekly, vs daily) | 16:28 |
| harlowja_at_home | (a slower rate would be fine with me) | 16:29 |
| harlowja_at_home | something like http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/periodic-tempest-dsvm-oslo-latest-full-master/ but N-1 stuff | 16:30 |
| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/branch:stable/mitaka+project:%255Eopenstack/oslo.* | 16:30 |
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| harlowja_at_home | right, perhaps not worth it | 16:30 |
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| bknudson | to me, doesn't seem worth it. | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | k, i'll see about maybe 20 minutes of asking around then, at least i'll come out a little more knowledgeable :-P | 16:32 |
| harlowja_at_home | alright anything else from folks? | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | alrighty then, thanks for coming folks :) | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | until next week! :) | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 12 16:35:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-09-12-16.00.html | 16:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-09-12-16.00.txt | 16:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-09-12-16.00.log.html | 16:35 |
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| dguitarbite | hello | 18:01 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: hi | 18:01 |
| rluethi | hey dguitarbite | 18:01 |
| dguitarbite | #startmeeting training-labs | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 12 18:01:39 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dguitarbite. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_labs' | 18:01 |
| dguitarbite | junlen | 18:01 |
| dguitarbite | *julen seems to be busy. | 18:02 |
| dguitarbite | topic? | 18:02 |
| rluethi | python port | 18:02 |
| rluethi | #topic python_port | 18:02 |
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| rluethi | or something. | 18:02 |
| rluethi | :) | 18:02 |
| dguitarbite | #topic python_port | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "python_port (Meeting topic: training-labs)" | 18:03 | |
| dguitarbite | So what is the status for the python port? | 18:03 |
| rluethi | I just pushed a new branch. | 18:03 |
| rluethi | Addressed a few things julen mentioned last time. | 18:03 |
| rluethi | It will now do some basic tests regarding your environment. | 18:03 |
| rluethi | Also some bug fixing and refactoring. | 18:03 |
| rluethi | Have you tried it? | 18:04 |
| dguitarbite | Not yet. | 18:04 |
| dguitarbite | I am preoccupied with a lot of work. Basically the last three days of tlast week where really stressful | 18:04 |
| rluethi | ok. | 18:05 |
| rluethi | I noticed some changes in the parser. | 18:06 |
| dguitarbite | Yes :D | 18:06 |
| dguitarbite | There are a few small things I need to handle and I sat with Andreas and also have charted a plan. | 18:06 |
| dguitarbite | I still need to push the last few bits of logic which are almost ready. | 18:07 |
| dguitarbite | Additionally some changes to training-labs lib folder for the time being. | 18:07 |
| dguitarbite | Shall I spill out the plan? | 18:07 |
| rluethi | sure. | 18:07 |
| dguitarbite | 1. Push final fixes for the path logic | 18:07 |
| dguitarbite | 2. Push logic for environment vars and also update the code for openstack-manuals | 18:08 |
| dguitarbite | 3. Create a spec in docs. | 18:08 |
| dguitarbite | 4. Push op-m repo upstream. | 18:08 |
| dguitarbite | op-m ==> A new repo. in openstack documentation. | 18:08 |
| dguitarbite | and push the code from modified install-guides to manuals repo. | 18:09 |
| dguitarbite | 5. Publish a new non-compulsory job. | 18:09 |
| dguitarbite | 6. Improve parser with linting features for validating the install-guides lofic. | 18:09 |
| dguitarbite | *logic. | 18:09 |
| dguitarbite | 7. Update the parser and training-labs for the job to stabilize. | 18:10 |
| dguitarbite | 8. (Lot later on) majke the upstream job compulsory, | 18:10 |
| dguitarbite | :) | 18:10 |
| rluethi | so which steps are going to happen before barcelona? | 18:10 |
| dguitarbite | Lot of things on my plate. The first few ones are a bit more difficult and time consuming. | 18:10 |
| rluethi | are you still positive that we won't need to do a manual port for newton? | 18:12 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: yes. | 18:12 |
| dguitarbite | *Yes. | 18:12 |
| dguitarbite | *Ja ja ja. | 18:12 |
| rluethi | okay. | 18:12 |
| dguitarbite | :) | 18:12 |
| dguitarbite | The install guides are not yet ready for Newton so ... there is still time. | 18:12 |
| rluethi | do you know what julen is up to? | 18:13 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Nope, we decided to have a meeting after this meeting for more fdetails on the parser. | 18:13 |
| dguitarbite | But he is not here yet. | 18:13 |
| rluethi | I see. | 18:13 |
| dguitarbite | Ahh, I got his email. | 18:13 |
| dguitarbite | He will be late ~20:30+. | 18:13 |
| dguitarbite | I guess, I could catch him up later on. | 18:14 |
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| rluethi | If there's nothing left to discuss, I'll leave. I have a train to catch tomorrow at 5 am. | 18:14 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Happy journey :). Did you buy your summit tickets? | 18:15 |
| dguitarbite | *summit things? | 18:15 |
| dguitarbite | I guess the best way is to book a hotel room. | 18:15 |
| rluethi | oh yeah, I have the plane tickets. | 18:15 |
| rluethi | what about our accomodation? | 18:15 |
| dguitarbite | Awesome, do you still wish to AirBnB or just normal hotels? | 18:15 |
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| rluethi | just pick something already before there's nothing left. | 18:16 |
| dguitarbite | Ok, let us go with hotels then. | 18:16 |
| dguitarbite | I am not sure if we manage to get something nice before the end of this week. I have too many things to do already. | 18:17 |
| rluethi | what happened to airbnb? you were all gung ho about them the other day. | 18:17 |
| dguitarbite | Ok, I will write you an email by tomorrow evening if I manage to book them. | 18:17 |
| dguitarbite | Just time wise :) Nothing else. | 18:17 |
| dguitarbite | *Due to time restrictions. | 18:17 |
| dguitarbite | Alright let's wrap up. | 18:18 |
| rluethi | okay. I can't do anything, either. I will be out of town until Friday. | 18:18 |
| dguitarbite | Ciao. | 18:18 |
| rluethi | bye. | 18:18 |
| dguitarbite | Ok. | 18:18 |
| dguitarbite | #endmeeting | 18:18 |
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| rluethi | ttyl | 18:18 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 12 18:18:57 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-09-12-18.01.html | 18:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-09-12-18.01.txt | 18:19 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 12 20:01:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:01 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:01 | |
| kfarr | o/ | 20:01 |
| panatl | o/ | 20:01 |
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| arunkant | o/ | 20:02 |
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| woodster_ | o/ | 20:02 |
| redrobot | alrighty, a few barbicaneers here | 20:02 |
| redrobot | as usual our agenda can be found here: | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican | 20:03 |
| redrobot | let's get started | 20:03 |
| redrobot | #topic Reviews | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:04 | |
| redrobot | We really need to get the Mutliple Backend patches landed ASAP | 20:04 |
| redrobot | this week is RC1 and if we can't get reviews by Wednesday, then we'll have to push the feature to the next cycle | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/barbican+branch:master+topic:bp/multiple-secret-backend | 20:04 |
| redrobot | Also someone added this review to the agenda: | 20:05 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251168/ | 20:05 |
| panatl | first item is mine ... see +2 from woodster: thanks!! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251168/ | 20:05 |
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| panatl | wanted to see whatelse we need to merge this ? review from you redrobot .. | 20:05 |
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| alee | o/ | 20:06 |
| redrobot | panatl I'm focusing on the Multiple Backend stuff today, but I can review yours after that | 20:06 |
| panatl | thanks! redrobot | 20:06 |
| redrobot | alee please review the multiple backend stuff in the next day or two. | 20:06 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:06 |
| alee | redrobot, yup | 20:06 |
| redrobot | #topic RC1 | 20:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RC1 (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:07 | |
| woodster_ | redrobot: panatl's CR is holding up load balancer's integration | 20:07 |
| redrobot | woodster_ ack | 20:07 |
| redrobot | This week is RC1 release week | 20:07 |
| redrobot | like I mentioned, it would be super awesome if we can land the Multiple Backend CRs today or tomorrow | 20:07 |
| redrobot | #link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 20:07 |
| redrobot | once those are landed I'll ask the release team to cut RC1 | 20:07 |
| redrobot | which will officially begin the Ocata cycle | 20:08 |
| redrobot | any questions/comments about RC1? | 20:08 |
| redrobot | woodster_ panatl I imagine we also want that fix in RC1 ? | 20:09 |
| woodster_ | note that the multi-backend CRs sync config with database tables. Some of us discussed this last week and thought this was an ok way to proceed for Newton, perhaps with a revisit in Ocata | 20:09 |
| * woodster_ so review with that in mind is the point | 20:09 | |
| redrobot | #note Mutiple-Backend architecture should be revisited next cycle | 20:11 |
| redrobot | woodster_ noted | 20:11 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:11 |
| arunkant | redrobot: I have addressed your comments on multiple backend. I am actively monitoring questions on review and barbican channel..anything to get quick review done. | 20:11 |
| redrobot | arunkant thanks! I'll re-review after the meeting | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ btw, that review for panatl already has 2x +2, you can merge it now if you'd like | 20:12 |
| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:13 |
| redrobot | #topic PTL Election | 20:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTL Election (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:13 | |
| redrobot | This week is PTL nomination week. I was curious if anyone was interested in running for the O cycle | 20:13 |
| panatl | thanks redboot, woodster, please see if you can merge it today ..thanks a lot! | 20:14 |
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| * woodster_ crickets chirping for PTL nominations? | 20:16 | |
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| redrobot | I guess | 20:16 |
| redrobot | hehe, well I don't mind running again if no one is interested | 20:16 |
| redrobot | just thought I'd throw it out there so folks don't think I'm a tyrant dictator :-P | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:18 |
| * woodster_ is that maniacal laughter I hear? | 20:18 | |
| redrobot | #topic Barcelona Design Summit | 20:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Barcelona Design Summit (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:18 | |
| redrobot | woodster_ mwahahahahaha | 20:18 |
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| redrobot | I started an etherpad to start collecting ideas for the Barcelona summit | 20:19 |
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| redrobot | I requested 1 Fisbowl, 8 working room and 1 contributor meetup | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | not sure if we'll actually get all those slots, but we can definitely start planning what to talk about for the slots we do get | 20:21 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-ocata-design-summit | 20:21 |
| redrobot | I'm for sure going to be there | 20:22 |
| redrobot | which reminds me that we should probably start planning the hands-on tutorial | 20:22 |
| redrobot | kfarr alee ^^ | 20:22 |
| kfarr | redrobot, yup! | 20:23 |
| alee | kfarr, redrobot definitely | 20:23 |
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| alee | kfarr, redrobot I was thinking that we could start planning the hands-on in a couple of weeks | 20:24 |
| alee | if you guys think thats not enough time, we can start thinking about it before then. | 20:24 |
| woodster_ | no so many barbicaneers for the summit? Are any IBM-ers heading out there? | 20:24 |
| kfarr | alee redrobot, earlier is better since I'll need to get things through review | 20:25 |
| kfarr | (if I'm in charge of writing any slides) | 20:25 |
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| alee | kfarr, ah yes - the dreaded review process .. | 20:25 |
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| kfarr | :/ | 20:26 |
| redrobot | woodster_ I thin etubill already has his travel approved. Haven't heard from diazjf, but I hope he's going because he's part of the hands-on tutorial as well | 20:26 |
| alee | redrobot, kfarr do we have the materials from the previous hands-on session? | 20:26 |
| redrobot | kfarr alee I vote for not having kfarr do slides :D | 20:26 |
| redrobot | alee kfarr yes, I think I may have those slides somewhere | 20:26 |
| alee | redrobot, If you can find and circulate those, that would be great. How about a meetup of the hands-on session folks sometime early next week? | 20:27 |
| alee | kfarr, ^^ | 20:27 |
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| kfarr | alee redrobot sounds good to me | 20:28 |
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| redrobot | #action redrobot to find and send last tutorial's slides to this year's presenters | 20:28 |
| redrobot | #action redrbot schedule a google hangout next week to begin planning the tutorial | 20:28 |
| alee | #action redrobot to set up meeting for early next week | 20:28 |
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| alee | perfect :) | 20:28 |
| redrobot | sounds good | 20:28 |
| redrobot | any other questions/comments about the upcoming design summit? | 20:29 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:31 |
| redrobot | #topic Open Discussion | 20:31 |
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| redrobot | anything else that we need to talk about? | 20:31 |
| redrobot | or reviews that are needed for RC1 that we haven't talked about? | 20:31 |
| kfarr | reviews for castellan patches would be great! | 20:32 |
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| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/castellan | 20:34 |
| redrobot | kfarr yikes! there's a ton of stuff pending review | 20:34 |
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| redrobot | kfarr I'll start working through those after RC1 | 20:34 |
| kfarr | thanks redrobot!! | 20:34 |
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| redrobot | Last call!!! | 20:36 |
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| redrobot | alrighty guys, thanks for coming! | 20:38 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 12 20:38:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-09-12-20.01.html | 20:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-09-12-20.01.txt | 20:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-09-12-20.01.log.html | 20:38 |
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| shamail | #startmeeting product working group | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 12 21:01:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product working group)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:01 |
| shamail | hi everyone | 21:01 |
| KrishR | Hi Shamail | 21:01 |
| shamail | Who's here today for the PWG meeting? | 21:01 |
| MadhuKashyap | Hi | 21:01 |
| MeganR | Hi | 21:02 |
| shamail | Agenda for today: | 21:02 |
| leong | o/ | 21:02 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:02 |
| KrishR | o/ | 21:02 |
| shamail | Lots of people! | 21:02 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 21:02 |
| shamail | Let's begin! | 21:03 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 21:03 |
| shamail | #topic Midcycle review | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Midcycle review (Meeting topic: product working group)" | 21:04 | |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_8_29_16 | 21:04 |
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| shamail | If you click on that etherpad link, there is another etherpad: | 21:05 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Newton_Midcycle | 21:05 |
| shamail | :D | 21:05 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | are we using phone bridge today? | 21:05 |
| rcaballeromx | Hello. | 21:06 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: no, just IRC | 21:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | OK. | 21:06 |
| shamail | Hi rcaballeromx | 21:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | It was great to see most of folks in NYC | 21:06 |
| * rcaballeromx is sad he could not be there. | 21:06 | |
| shamail | +1 | 21:06 |
| MeganR | Arkady +1 | 21:07 |
| shamail | If you look at the etherpad it has a lot of ARs, very productive midcycle | 21:07 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | rcaballeromx - indeed | 21:07 |
| shamail | Does anyone have any questions about the outcomes from that session? | 21:07 |
| rcaballeromx | Is there a prioritie list as a result of th midcycle? | 21:08 |
| rcaballeromx | *priorities | 21:08 |
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| shamail | rcaballeromx: no list as a result but Arkady_Kanevsky got some homework to go review the user survey data to see if there are items in there that align with some of our stories | 21:09 |
| shamail | That would effectively help us add another layer of validation/data to be used for prioritization | 21:09 |
| rcaballeromx | Ok, thanks for the clarification shamail. | 21:10 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | correct. Had not started on it with Heidi yet. | 21:10 |
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| shamail | Np | 21:10 |
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| shamail | Okay, does it sound reasonable to check back on the ARs next week and see if the owners made progress? | 21:11 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:11 |
| rcaballeromx | +1 | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I can report of a few today | 21:12 |
| shamail | #action Follow up on mid-cycle ARs in next meeting | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | AR Arkady: Add bare metal use case to this user story. done - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358781/ - this is one item closed | 21:12 |
| shamail | Go for it Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:12 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Here is another - How does this relate to Charge Back/Show Back? | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Need to include this in the User Story - AR Arkady - done. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358888/ | 21:13 |
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| shamail | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358781 | 21:13 |
| shamail | Thanks Arkady_Kanevsky! | 21:13 |
| shamail | If you have time, please review that change so we can merge it! | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Above mentiond survey and finally with Leong - Should we create templates for the different stages of our workflow? (Arkady, Leong) | 21:14 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | These are 4 AR I got from the very productive meeting | 21:14 |
| rcaballeromx | If you need help with editing of the surveys, let me know. | 21:15 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Yes. I see one comment from you Shamail. WIll update today | 21:15 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Thanks <rcaballeromx. Let me start with Heidi and then we will ping folks for help once we know what is needed. | 21:15 |
| rcaballeromx | np. | 21:16 |
| shamail | Thanks Arkady_Kanevsky and rcaballeromx | 21:16 |
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| shamail | Next topic? | 21:17 |
| shamail | #topic Community Generated Roadmap Update | 21:17 |
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| leong_ | ls | 21:17 |
| shamail | We have formed the roadmap sub-team for this release and the volunteer list has gone down, it looks like we will not cover about 3-4 projects that we have done in the past. | 21:18 |
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| KrishR | shamail: are we planning to cover those with <10% adoption? | 21:19 |
| Rockyg | which ones? I haven't volunteerd yet... | 21:19 |
| shamail | The team is collecting information right now and targeting the end of the week to finish this activity | 21:19 |
| shamail | KrishR: only as optional (they are the only ones at risk, good news is we covered most of the significantly adopted ones) | 21:20 |
| shamail | After we collect the data, we will create slides next week to give to the foundation. | 21:21 |
| shamail | They will use the data to discuss/define the release marketing messages | 21:21 |
| shamail | We will also be presenting the roadmap in Barcelona | 21:21 |
| shamail | All in all, lots to do in a short time-frame but we feel confident we can meet the deadlines | 21:22 |
| rcaballeromx | shamail: feel free to include me in your efforts if you think I can help. | 21:22 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | SHmail, when is deadline for slides? | 21:22 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | from individual members for collection | 21:23 |
| shamail | Thanks rcaballeromx, I'll send you the information on how to participate. | 21:23 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: it's this Friday (really it is "by Monday") | 21:23 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Works for me | 21:23 |
| rcaballeromx | Glad to help shamail. | 21:24 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | sorry was away fdor several days, had not cought to all emails yet. | 21:24 |
| shamail | Np | 21:24 |
| shamail | #topic Barcelona BoF/Working Session Planning | 21:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Barcelona BoF/Working Session Planning (Meeting topic: product working group)" | 21:25 | |
| shamail | Is there anyone here today that will not be able to come to the summit in Barcelona? | 21:25 |
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| shamail | Nice :) | 21:25 |
| KrishR | shamail: I won't be attending | 21:26 |
| shamail | We have to submit our working group session preferences to the Foundation this week. | 21:26 |
| shamail | Sorry to hear that KrishR | 21:26 |
| shamail | We will be doing two sessions... | 21:26 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Krish will oyu be able to attend via phone bridge for working sessions? | 21:27 |
| shamail | One is a BoF (40 min) that will be used as an introduction to Product WG for people that are interested. | 21:27 |
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| shamail | The other session will be a working session (half day) and we will use this session to focus on our goals for Ocata. | 21:27 |
| KrishR | Arkady_Kanevsky: yes, i can attend via phone bridge if not an early morning session in Barcelona | 21:27 |
| shamail | The foundation also said that Sunday and Monday are more open than other days... | 21:28 |
| shamail | Let's vote on which days/times work for the most people... | 21:28 |
| shamail | #startvote which day/time works best for BoF? SPM, MAM, MPM, TuAM, TuPM, WAM, WPM, ThAM, ThPM | 21:28 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: which day/time works best for BoF? Valid vote options are SPM, MAM, MPM, TuAM, TuPM, WAM, WPM, ThAM, ThPM. | 21:28 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 21:28 |
| shamail | S = Sunday | 21:28 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Monday is full day foundation board meeting | 21:29 |
| shamail | #vote WPM | 21:29 |
| rcaballeromx | #vote WPM | 21:29 |
| MadhuKashyap | #vote ThPM | 21:29 |
| shamail | Anyone else? I'll close the vote soon. | 21:30 |
| shamail | Please let us know if anyone option definitely doesn't work for you | 21:30 |
| KrishR | #vote MPM | 21:30 |
| KrishR | I can dial in remote | 21:30 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | #vote WPM | 21:30 |
| shamail | TuPM in my case is not available at all | 21:30 |
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| shamail | Makes sense KrishR | 21:30 |
| shamail | leong_, MeganR? | 21:31 |
| shamail | Going once... | 21:31 |
| leong_ | #vote WAM | 21:31 |
| shamail | twice... | 21:31 |
| MeganR | sorry - I don't have final from the team, not certain what will work | 21:31 |
| shamail | Done :) | 21:31 |
| shamail | #endvote | 21:31 |
| openstack | Voted on "which day/time works best for BoF?" Results are | 21:31 |
| openstack | WPM (3): shamail, Arkady_Kanevsky, rcaballeromx | 21:31 |
| openstack | WAM (1): leong_ | 21:31 |
| openstack | MPM (1): KrishR | 21:31 |
| openstack | ThPM (1): MadhuKashyap | 21:31 |
| shamail | Alrighty, let's do the same for the half-day working session... | 21:31 |
| leong_ | actually i am flexible except Wednesday PM (due to presentation) | 21:32 |
| shamail | #startvote which day/time works best for working session? SPM, MAM, MPM, TuAM, TuPM, WAM, WPM, ThAM, ThPM | 21:32 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: which day/time works best for working session? Valid vote options are SPM, MAM, MPM, TuAM, TuPM, WAM, WPM, ThAM, ThPM. | 21:32 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 21:32 |
| leong_ | #vote ThPM | 21:32 |
| shamail | Leong, that was BoF so only 40 min... When is your session? We can try to avoid it | 21:32 |
| shamail | #vote ThPM | 21:32 |
| MadhuKashyap | #vote ThPM | 21:32 |
| rcaballeromx | #vote ThPM | 21:32 |
| leong_ | Wed 26 3:05pm-3:45pm & Wed 26 5:55pm-6:35pm | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | WHat is the time slots before I can vote. Is it 5-9:00pm? | 21:33 |
| KrishR | #vote ThPM | 21:33 |
| leong_ | shmail: if you avoid it.. i'm free all :-) | 21:33 |
| shamail | #info avoid Wed 3:05 and 5:55P slots for BoF | 21:33 |
| shamail | We'll see if we can avoid it | 21:33 |
| shamail | Anymore votes on Working Session? | 21:34 |
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| shamail | Going once... | 21:34 |
| shamail | Twice... | 21:34 |
| shamail | Done! | 21:34 |
| shamail | #endvote | 21:34 |
| openstack | Voted on "which day/time works best for working session?" Results are | 21:34 |
| openstack | ThPM (5): shamail, MadhuKashyap, leong_, rcaballeromx, KrishR | 21:34 |
| shamail | #agree Try for BoF on Wed (avoid 3:05, 5:55) and Thurs. PM for half-day working session. | 21:35 |
| leong_ | +1 | 21:35 |
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| shamail | #topic Planning for Forum | 21:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Planning for Forum (Meeting topic: product working group)" | 21:35 | |
| shamail | There is an upcoming change that will start at the Boston summit regarding the design summit scheduling/objectives | 21:36 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | nice picture - https://www.dropbox.com/s/t3p3dc0stljsx88/diagram.png?dl=0 | 21:36 |
| shamail | The linked diagram was created by Thierry to give an overview of the change | 21:37 |
| shamail | In general, what this means for our perspective is that the user and technical committees will both share creating the Forum agenda | 21:37 |
| shamail | MeganR brought up a good point when we were talking in NYC about this change that we should ensure the schedule covers both tactical and strategic topics | 21:38 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | WhAt are we using term Forum for? | 21:38 |
| shamail | To this end, we think it would be a good idea for the Product WG to share some thoughts with the user committee on how we could maximize the user feedback achieved during these forum events. | 21:39 |
| shamail | Forum is what will replace the "design summit" starting in Boston | 21:39 |
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| shamail | Forum == Design Summit of today | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | So the product WG will meet both at Forum and and the summit? | 21:40 |
| shamail | We would like to ensure we have time to discuss this in the UC before Barcelona because we're sure the topic will come up while there. | 21:40 |
| shamail | No, we will meet at the summit but our teams could also meet in the forum | 21:40 |
| shamail | For example, a user story could be a topic in the forun | 21:40 |
| shamail | Forum* | 21:40 |
| Rockyg | fyi roadmap preso is th 2:40-3:20pm | 21:41 |
| shamail | Forums will allow a meeting space for items that could be cross project | 21:41 |
| shamail | Thanks Rockyg | 21:41 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Do we know where Operator summit lands? | 21:41 |
| shamail | We'll try to work around that if possible | 21:41 |
| shamail | Unchanged | 21:41 |
| shamail | Ops Summits will still happen at the normal cadence | 21:41 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | so operator summit is at summit. We should be align to it. | 21:41 |
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| shamail | The request for this topic at the moment is to identify if others are interested in helping craft a topic that we could bring to the next UC meeting (9/19) to get the conversation on Forum Planning started. | 21:42 |
| shamail | Any volunteers? So far Carol and I. | 21:42 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Shamail, my concern that for O-release we only have 4 weeks for any user stories we can drive. | 21:43 |
| Rockyg | I might be available. Not sure, but include me in the email | 21:43 |
| MeganR | I can help - figure we will meet later this week | 21:43 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Adn to my understanding most of O-release is bug fixes and little functionality | 21:43 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | Please, include me on email also. I will try to make it | 21:43 |
| rcaballeromx | I can also help. | 21:44 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: this topic is different from our stories... Our plans for Ocata will be discussed in Barcelona | 21:44 |
| KrishR | shamail: i'll work my suggestions thru Carol | 21:44 |
| shamail | We are generally volunteering to help with this because we have thoughts :) | 21:44 |
| MeganR | thoughts - I like it! :) | 21:45 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | 4weeks -> 4 months | 21:45 |
| shamail | Sounds good, I'll send a doodle poll to MeganR, Rockyg, rcaballeromx, and Carol | 21:45 |
| KrishR | shamail: i'll discuss this with Cartol, but would like to know where the UC is with reagards to Day 2 Ops - do they want OpenStack to venture into this space or prefer not? | 21:45 |
| KrishR | Carol* | 21:45 |
| shamail | #action schedule meeting to discuss Forum proposal to UC | 21:45 |
| shamail | I think the UC would be interested if there is common interest in the community | 21:46 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | add me to it, shamail | 21:46 |
| shamail | Will do Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:46 |
| shamail | I would suggest discussing it with emagana and also capturing how it's a need that's different from LDT, Faulty Genes, Logging/Monitoring, etc. | 21:47 |
| KrishR | ok, thx shamail: | 21:47 |
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| Rockyg | ++ | 21:47 |
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| shamail | KrishR: I think it will also depend by what we mean by "venture"... UC only has working groups, if we want to discuss whether a project makes sense then that might be a conversation with TC or the OSOps team (if it's just scripts, etc) | 21:48 |
| * shamail realizes I just gave you three different options to pursue | 21:48 | |
| shamail | sorry :) | 21:48 |
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| KrishR | np :) | 21:49 |
| shamail | #topic open | 21:49 |
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| shamail | That's all we had on the agenda.. Any topics that anyone wants to discuss? | 21:49 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | good fee me | 21:49 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | fee-> for | 21:50 |
| MeganR | I'm good | 21:50 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | bye everybody | 21:50 |
| * rcaballeromx has no opens this week. | 21:50 | |
| rcaballeromx | Good bye eveyone. | 21:50 |
| Rockyg | ttfn | 21:50 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks for running is shamail | 21:50 |
| rcaballeromx | +1 | 21:50 |
| shamail | Awesome! | 21:50 |
| shamail | YW Arkady_Kanevsky | 21:50 |
| shamail | have a great day/evening everyone! | 21:51 |
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| shamail | #endmeeting | 21:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:51 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 12 21:51:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-09-12-21.01.html | 21:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-09-12-21.01.txt | 21:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-09-12-21.01.log.html | 21:51 |
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