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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 26 14:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | Anyone around today? | 14:00 |
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| alex_xu | o/ | 14:01 |
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| jaypipes | o/ | 14:01 |
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| * edleafe was feeling lonely :( | 14:01 | |
| jaypipes | cdent is here, too. | 14:01 |
| jaypipes | bauzas, dansmith? | 14:01 |
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| cdent | oh hey hi | 14:02 |
| edleafe | yeah, I saw him in -nova | 14:02 |
| dansmith | I'm putting out another fire atm | 14:02 |
| edleafe | #topic Specs and reviews | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs and reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:02 | |
| edleafe | Nobody had added anything to the agenda | 14:02 |
| edleafe | So are there any to discuss now? | 14:03 |
| cdent | edleafe: I think many people are still recovering | 14:03 |
| edleafe | heh | 14:03 |
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| cdent | this stack is back in play: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362863/ | 14:03 |
| cdent | that's the aggregates part of placement | 14:03 |
| edleafe | yeah, saw you pushed some changes | 14:04 |
| edleafe | anything I can help with? (besides reviews) | 14:05 |
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| cdent | edleafe: there will be soon, with dynamic resource classes | 14:06 |
| cdent | i'm currently focusing on doing tidy ups | 14:06 |
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| edleafe | ok, pull me in earlier rather than later when we're ready to ramp up on those | 14:06 |
| edleafe | Let's move on | 14:07 |
| cdent | so from my standpoint if there are tidy ups you think need to happen in the api or the related objects, I'd say go for it | 14:07 |
| edleafe | #topic Opens | 14:07 |
| cdent | âś” | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Opens (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:07 | |
| edleafe | Anyone have ideas for summit sessions yet? | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: hierarchical resource providers definitely one session I think. | 14:07 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: ah, good point. I still need some convincing on that | 14:08 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: I'll have PoC code and a shorter spec up for that by summit time. | 14:08 |
| * alex_xu and Yingxin work on the PoC code for traits also, hope that will help people for discussion | 14:09 | |
| edleafe | I'd also like to start a discussion on how we kill flavors | 14:09 |
| cdent | \o/ | 14:10 |
| edleafe | (or at least lessen them to their proper role) | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | alex_xu: awesomesauce. :) | 14:10 |
| edleafe | That will tie with what alex_xu and Yingxin are doing, I'm sure | 14:10 |
| alex_xu | jaypipes: thanks, and new word | 14:10 |
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| jaypipes | alex_xu: :) | 14:11 |
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| jaypipes | alex_xu: any idea when you and Yingxin might have a proposed DB schema for the traits storage on the placement API? | 14:11 |
| alex_xu | edleafe: yea, sounds like related | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | alex_xu: would be happy to do a hangout or something to chat about that if you're looking for ideas. | 14:11 |
| alex_xu | jaypipes: current we just follow the DB schema in the spec which is proposed by you in mid-cycle | 14:12 |
| alex_xu | jaypipes: thanks, that will be cool | 14:12 |
| edleafe | Hey, how about doing a hangout next week during the meeting time? Say, 30 min on IRC, and start a hangout at 1430? | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | alex_xu: cool. lemme know when you've pushed stuff :) | 14:13 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: ++ | 14:13 |
| alex_xu | jaypipes: yea | 14:13 |
| alex_xu | next week is holiday in China :( | 14:13 |
| edleafe | alex_xu: ah, ok | 14:13 |
| jaypipes | ah, ok. then another day | 14:14 |
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| * alex_xu maybe can online but needs check with Yingxin | 14:14 | |
| edleafe | Anything else today? | 14:14 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: nope, just request for reviews on cdent's aggregates patches. | 14:14 |
| edleafe | #action everyone review the aggregate patches at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362863/ | 14:15 |
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| edleafe | OK, that's a wrap. Thanks everyone! | 14:16 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:16 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 26 14:16:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-09-26-14.00.html | 14:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-09-26-14.00.txt | 14:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-09-26-14.00.log.html | 14:16 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: sorry, was at a doctor's appointment | 14:18 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: no worries :) | 14:20 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: (1.5 hour awating for a 5 minute appointment...) | 14:20 |
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| jaypipes | :) | 14:21 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 26 15:00:36 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:00 |
| ihrachys | hi everyone | 15:00 |
| korzen | hello | 15:00 |
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| asingh_ | Hello | 15:00 |
| electrocucaracha | hi | 15:00 |
| sindhu | hi | 15:00 |
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| sshank | Hello. | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| manjeets_ | 0/ | 15:01 |
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| ihrachys | nothing particular, master is open for merging more patches, and we started to do it for some that are tracked by the team | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:01 |
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| ihrachys | as korzen pointed out the prev meeting, we may need grenade to switch to newton for old side of master grenade before we can proceed on linuxbridge multinode job | 15:02 |
| dasanind_ | o/ | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | I think it's done now that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/375453/ landed | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | so now I will pull some strings to have jschwarz to look at that job ;) | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Moving models to neutron/db/models/... | 15:04 |
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| jschwarz | ihrachys, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zNdw4DaUM8 XD | 15:04 |
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| manjeets_ | ihrachys: l3 models ? | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | I was looking at some of those the prev week, there were some issues that did not allow me to land much | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | let me list some of issues so that folks are aware | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | some models were still using neutron.db.model_base instead of neutron_lib.db.model_base | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | some were not following the naming guidelines set in README file under neutron/db/models | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | like using plurals instead of singulars | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | some were also using very long names for modules. we should attempt to have shorter if possible, especially in code because the code just stretches thru lines and becomes harder to read. | 15:06 |
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| ihrachys | some broke indentation in some places due to longer model paths. | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | those are mostly small bits, but they should get attention nevertheless | 15:07 |
| ihrachys | I will get back to those respinned this week, hopefully we'll have more to land | 15:07 |
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| electrocucaracha | hopefully, asingh_ was discussed last week how she has been dealing with some rebase/merge conflicts | 15:08 |
| electrocucaracha | given that those are dependencies for ovo and other patches | 15:09 |
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| ihrachys | sorry, there was an emergency, was distracted... :) | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | I was just opening the topic for the bug and reviewing what I have there | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | if you think there is better tactics to do it, tell me | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: you mentioned l3 models. you think those are more critical? and they don't have those issues I mentioned? | 15:11 |
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| manjeets_ | they are using neutron.lib | 15:11 |
| manjeets_ | but only problem is they are very conflictive | 15:12 |
| manjeets_ | ihrachys: | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: so where do I start? | 15:12 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: a solution for conflicts is a thread of patches | 15:12 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets_: rebased one on top of the other | 15:13 |
| amotoki | i think various l3 related model relocation patches depends on l3 model relocation patch. | 15:13 |
| manjeets_ | right amotoki | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: so which one is the first? | 15:14 |
| amotoki | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348562/ ? | 15:14 |
| manjeets_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348562/ | 15:14 |
| ihrachys | ok I will check that one right after the meeting | 15:15 |
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| manjeets_ | ok and external networks relocation and ovo also needs some reviews | 15:16 |
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| ihrachys | a lot of stuff needs reviews. I was hoping that folks will cross check patches so that they are ready to land. | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | anyhow, I will take a look at the topic this week once more, plus this l3 patch today. | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | we will act on what we'll have in the queue. | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | #topic Objects implementation | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | we have two patches ready in the queue - ports and networks. ports has one +2, networks has +2/+W and waits for ports one to land. | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | I hope I will pull the 2nd +2 from core reviewers this or next day. | 15:18 |
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| manjeets_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353088/ | 15:18 |
| manjeets_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334695/ | 15:18 |
| ihrachys | it's ridiculous how long it takes to have anyone looking at anything | 15:18 |
| manjeets_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369744/ | 15:18 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets_: those don't depend on model moves? | 15:19 |
| manjeets_ | one of them does | 15:19 |
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| manjeets_ | external networks one | 15:19 |
| manjeets_ | ihrachys: but for dns I did relocation and ovo intro and implementation in single patch | 15:20 |
| korzen | I've worked on Subnet OVO adoption patches and spotted a blocker, Detached db_obj is useless for plugin code | 15:20 |
| korzen | detaching db_obj is making it impossible for plugin or extension code to reach the values | 15:21 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: they can reload. or you can work on leaving it attached. | 15:22 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, how exactly they can reload? | 15:22 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: they have the model. can't they refetch it? | 15:23 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, it is even for in-code extend_subnet_dict | 15:24 |
| ihrachys | korzen: I suspect a better approach may be actually leaving it attached, but then, you have the problem of stale data captured by the object | 15:24 |
| korzen | ihrachys, yes, I should take a look where the stale data is a problem | 15:25 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: that's the issue I haven't managed to solve. if you manage, then fine, I am happy to review. :) | 15:26 |
| korzen | ihrachys, :) | 15:26 |
| korzen | ok I will spend | 15:26 |
| korzen | some time on it this week and get to you next week | 15:26 |
| manjeets_ | korzen: do you have some patch up which is facing this issue ? | 15:27 |
| korzen | manjeets_, I have 2 | 15:27 |
| korzen | manjeets_, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351740/ | 15:27 |
| korzen | manjeets_, and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321001/ | 15:28 |
| * manjeets_ bookmarks them for review | 15:28 | |
| korzen | the latter is passing | 15:28 |
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| korzen | because I have hacked it adding lazy='joined' | 15:29 |
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| korzen | but this hack is not working for the former one | 15:29 |
| electrocucaracha | korzen: I did the same for Routers | 15:31 |
| ihrachys | ok, thanks for looking at it korzen. I hope you will manage to do something with it. detachment is not a must if we can live without it. | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | it's more of a hack-around sqlalchemy behaviour | 15:32 |
| korzen | electrocucaracha, you wanted to discuss the readme for OVO? | 15:33 |
| korzen | the naming conventions and putting the object in one file | 15:34 |
| electrocucaracha | korzen: that's true, ankur-gupta-f created that patch | 15:34 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | electrocucaracha: sorry wasn't paying attention. Which one? | 15:35 |
| electrocucaracha | but at the end the discussion about how to naming things and folders is still opne | 15:35 |
| ankur-gupta-f | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352577/ | 15:35 |
| ankur-gupta-f | ah | 15:35 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | ^^^ | 15:35 |
| electrocucaracha | yeah, that one | 15:35 |
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| manjeets_ | are we really following the dir tree example in that patch | 15:36 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | manjeets_: we aren't at all | 15:36 |
| ankur-gupta-f | so it needs to be reworked | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | I don't see why we should follow what's proposed there. | 15:36 |
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| manjeets_ | me neither | 15:36 |
| korzen | currently we are doing it opposite, place all related OVOs in one file | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | I believe the path chosen and acted on for models will work for OVOs too | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | no extensions/ needed, you keep related objects in same file | 15:37 |
| manjeets_ | ihrachys: +1 | 15:37 |
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| ihrachys | subnet.py is for network plus all related things like dhcp extra options | 15:37 |
| korzen | I'm also +1 | 15:37 |
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| electrocucaracha | +1 | 15:38 |
| ankur-gupta-f | yea. last time that patch was done was august 10th. will rework based on what is being done | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | ok cool, let's respin that patch to reflect that | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | ankur-gupta-f: thanks | 15:38 |
| ankur-gupta-f | np. Should I add anything else? | 15:38 |
| ankur-gupta-f | maybe add ref to the NeutronDbObjects patch of yours | 15:38 |
| korzen | plugins? | 15:38 |
| korzen | ml2 | 15:38 |
| ihrachys | nah as long as it covers the approach. you can take inspiration from models/README | 15:38 |
| ankur-gupta-f | kk golden | 15:39 |
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| korzen | ok, in db/models we also havep plugins | 15:39 |
| korzen | so it is ok | 15:39 |
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| ihrachys | ok cool. on ovo, I believe it's a matter of review time to make progress. | 15:40 |
| korzen | talking about object patches, I have added validate_filters for count() | 15:40 |
| korzen | â—‹ https://review.openstack.org/376430 | 15:41 |
| korzen | because is required for Subnet integration patch | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | ok, just wanted to ask about where the need came from :) | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | though it's valid nevertheless because count() is supposed to be similar to get_objects() api wise | 15:42 |
| korzen | it is in subnet API where you can pass some not valid filter | 15:42 |
| korzen | ihrachys, yes, exactly | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | ok let's move on | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | #topic Other patches on review | 15:43 |
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| manjeets_ | korzen: mind if I take subnetroute patch ? | 15:43 |
| korzen | manjeets_, no problem | 15:43 |
| ihrachys | I don't have anything specific in my queue, it's either OVO or release related for me. if you folks have something, please raise. | 15:43 |
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| korzen | I'm good | 15:44 |
| manjeets_ | ihrachys: I have which is for adding tables in neutron db | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | ok cool | 15:45 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: link? | 15:45 |
| manjeets_ | not a patch just design consideration | 15:45 |
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| manjeets_ | I looked at tables manually querying neutron db | 15:45 |
| manjeets_ | some tables just have two fields of redundant data which could have been easily accomodated in parent | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: right. they usually belong to an extension. | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | manjeets_: some people felt like untangling extension data from base model is somehow better. | 15:47 |
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| ihrachys | even though it's loaded nevertheless thru relationships :) | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | and plus adds complexity to queries | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | ideally, there would be some effort to simplify schema | 15:47 |
| sshank | regarding join, if joins are on 2 objects, should the fields in those objects be used to create new a joined object? | 15:47 |
| manjeets_ | query complexity is concern | 15:47 |
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| sshank | How to take care of joins was my question. | 15:48 |
| manjeets_ | based on my review after looking at database we should also think caching layer on neutron db but that's just an idea to save time on db transactions | 15:49 |
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| ihrachys | sshank: f.e. see port security attached to ports, I expose it as a synthetic field on ports object | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | sshank: so when you load port, you get a field for port_security on it | 15:50 |
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| ihrachys | I believe for objects, we should think more about usage patterns and API clarity than mapping to particular schema presentation. the fact that some logical fields are detached from a resource and are put in a separate tables does not necessarily justify it being untangled on objects level. | 15:51 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:52 |
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| ihrachys | I have one, that's for korzen | 15:52 |
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| ihrachys | I was looking at logs for multinode grenade jobs lately | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | and noticed that there is q-agt in new side of the cloud | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | see f.e. http://logs.openstack.org/32/376332/4/check/gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-multinode/efd591d/logs/new/ | 15:52 |
| ihrachys | korzen: does it suggest we broke the job somewhere on the path? | 15:52 |
| korzen | ihrachys, why? | 15:53 |
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| ihrachys | well I was thinking, the agent will run from old cloud side, with no restart? | 15:53 |
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| korzen | q-agt should be in the controller node with new version and in the compute running old version | 15:54 |
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| ihrachys | pfff | 15:54 |
| korzen | we have 2 compute nodes, one of them in on controller node | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | I guess I forgot everything about the job :P | 15:54 |
| korzen | :) | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | right you are | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | now I grasp | 15:54 |
| ihrachys | we have q-agt on new side for l3 | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | and dhcp | 15:55 |
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| ihrachys | ok, mistery cleared for me :) | 15:55 |
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| korzen | no problem | 15:55 |
| korzen | :) | 15:55 |
| dasanind_ | ihrachys: for vxlanallocation and vxlanendpoints there are interfaces that are being used outside of neutron tree. On discussion with blogan he suggested to add new interfaces for OVO. I have put up a patch with that approach https://review.openstack.org/367810. My question is: Is there any other way to do this? | 15:55 |
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| ihrachys | dasanind_: what's that? I don't follow. why do you need OVO for a regular class? | 15:56 |
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| dasanind_ | ihrachys: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers/type_vxlan.py#L72 | 15:57 |
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| ihrachys | dasanind: ok, and what's the concern there? why can't you just switch the code to objects? | 15:58 |
| ihrachys | without new classes and all? | 15:58 |
| ihrachys | is that because you pass model classes into __init__? | 15:58 |
| dasanind_ | ihrachys: there is 3 level inheritance | 15:58 |
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| ihrachys | is that because of no context argument? | 15:59 |
| dasanind_ | ihrachys: yes | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | I was thinking we can do it without alternative implementation | 15:59 |
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| ihrachys | I will need to have a look. | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | having two interfaces for the same thing is not nice. | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | ok time's up | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | thanks everyone | 16:00 |
| manjeets_ | time uo | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| manjeets_ | thanks | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 26 16:00:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-09-26-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-09-26-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-09-26-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | we can proceed in #neutron if need be | 16:00 |
| korzen | thanks, bye | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 26 16:00:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ding a ling | 16:00 |
| gcb | o/ | 16:01 |
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| osh | \o/ | 16:01 |
| kgiusti | \o | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero, haypo | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for ihrachys, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for lifeless, lintan, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | \o | 16:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:01 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | yo yo | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | ihrachys, how's the neutron upgrades :) | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | that meeting always seems exciting, lol | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | :) it rolls, maybe not as quick as you would desire :) | 16:02 |
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| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | okie dokie, guess we can get this show on the road | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:03 |
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| johnsom | Nothing to report | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | I have a question about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370499/ | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | not expecting any issues but anything happening out there? | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | uh oh, does that require me to login | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | that switches neutron to using to_policy_values() | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | by doing it, the patch also drops some keys from the dict available for policy engine | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | I was wondering, is it safe to do? should it be in scope of the patch? | 16:04 |
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| harlowja_at_home | hmmm, not totally sure, i do see where u are coming from though | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | whatever you folks tell us to do! :) | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | you are maintaining both sides of the pipe - receiving and producing | 16:06 |
| harlowja_at_home | ihrachys, do u mind sending a ML email for that one, it seems like a useful question and i'm not sure anyone currently in the meeting has the best answer | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | ack | 16:07 |
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| harlowja_at_home | basically the diff between https://github.com/openstack/oslo.context/blob/master/oslo_context/context.py#L119 and https://github.com/openstack/oslo.context/blob/master/oslo_context/context.py#L138 | 16:07 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ihrachys, thanks | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | i think its a valid question :) | 16:08 |
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| ihrachys | I had one more, we were planning to adopt constraints for neutron-lib, but then armax asked why oslo.* does not do it | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | and hence - should we? | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | so it would be great to know why | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | maybe we miss something and it's not good to do it for libs | 16:09 |
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| harlowja_at_home | requirement constraints right? | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | yea | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:10 |
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| ihrachys | ok I guess another topic for ML :)) | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | dhellmann, is there a general policy on libraries and constraints, i haven't seen one that i can remember | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | ihrachys, i don't recall any specific reason for that one | 16:11 |
| ihrachys | ok. I asked dhellmann before, he forwarded me to tonyb. | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | I think we just never got around to it and didn't consider it a high priority. | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | but there could be some reason we don't want to do it, so that's why I suggested consulting with tonyb before going ahead | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | k | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, it feels like to me, just never got around to it | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | kk, sorry for taking a lot of time of the meeting. I will keep silence. | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | np | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | its ok :-P | 16:12 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Summit | 16:14 |
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| harlowja_at_home | so a couple reminders :) | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-oslo-summit-planning | 16:14 |
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| harlowja_at_home | don't forget to add session ideas there :) | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | sometime soon that will have to be translated into an actual list | 16:14 |
| harlowja_at_home | and | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-live-from-oslo | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Newton | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Newton (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:17 | |
| harlowja_at_home | just a reminder, for those that haven't checked it out recently | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | Sep 26-30 R-1 Final RCs and intermediary releases | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | guess thats this week! | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | man another release, jeez | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | i remember the D days | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:18 |
| gcb | yeah, then after the release of Newton , we can release new oslo.* lib, right ? | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | yup | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | should be safe to do that than :) | 16:18 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Reviews needing review | 16:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews needing review (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:19 | |
| harlowja_at_home | in the meantime any reviews people want eyes on? | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | (just don't make me login, cause i'm not sure if that's fixed yet) | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | nm, seems fixed, ha | 16:20 |
| gcb | fixed now :-) | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://tinyurl.com/ze6k557 is still a good URL for folks, basically the oslo review dashboard from the dashboard generation git/project | 16:21 |
| harlowja_at_home | *just incase people haven't seen that | 16:21 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #link https://github.com/openstack/gerrit-dash-creator | 16:22 |
| kgiusti | "Server Error" - no reviews!!! | 16:22 |
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| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:22 |
| harlowja_at_home | odd | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | make sure u logged in | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | i gotta go create that file @ https://github.com/openstack/gerrit-dash-creator/tree/master/dashboards | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | i swear there was an oslo one in there | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | thats the little tool to make these | 16:23 |
| kgiusti | +1 logged in before hitting url - works for me | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://github.com/openstack/gerrit-dash-creator/blob/master/dashboards/tooz_taskflow.dash is an example if people are interested | 16:24 |
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| * harlowja_at_home i swear there was an oslo one, pretty sure someone deleted it, lol | 16:24 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:25 | |
| harlowja_at_home | guess we are in the <josh rambling> stage of the meeting | 16:25 |
| harlowja_at_home | ha | 16:25 |
| gcb | I got the URL from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Oslo#Review_Links | 16:26 |
| bknudson | sorry I missed the beginning. No keystone issues that I know of. | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | bknudson, thanks :) | 16:26 |
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| harlowja_at_home | gcb, right, oh ya, that's right | 16:26 |
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| dhellmann | harlowja_at_home : I moved the dashboard file to the incubator a while back because it let us manage the reviews | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | it's probably in the tools repo now? | 16:26 |
| harlowja_at_home | right, wondering if i transfered it over | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | oh hey look at that | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | wondering if the dashboards/ folder didn't get moved over | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:27 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #action harlowja_at_home fix the dashboards folder | 16:28 |
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| harlowja_at_home | alright since its getting quiet in here | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | just a reminder for anyone that has bigger features and such | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/oslo-specs | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273468/ from lxsli1 may still be useful (if people are interested) | 16:31 |
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| harlowja_at_home | same with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229194/ (if anyone wants to take that over) | 16:32 |
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| harlowja_at_home | okie dokie, guess we will call it a meeting, unless other folks have anything to bring up :) | 16:34 |
| gcb | Do we need a spec review day or week ? | 16:34 |
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| harlowja_at_home | gcb, i think it could be useful :) | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | personally i'd like to discuss on how we can have less of them get abandoned and such | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | but its a tricky question, because sometimes people just don't have time | 16:35 |
| gcb | haha , maybe we can try it | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | sure :) | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | gcb, want to start a email for that? maybe later this week or next? | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | it seems like a good idea to me :) | 16:35 |
| gcb | ack, will send out a email about the idea | 16:36 |
| harlowja_at_home | super :) | 16:36 |
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| harlowja_at_home | alright, until next week! | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | thanks all for showing up :) | 16:38 |
| gcb | thanks harlowja_at_home | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | np :) | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | for more awesome good times | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | #openstack-oslo | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:38 |
| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:38 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 26 16:38:57 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:38 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-09-26-16.00.html | 16:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-09-26-16.00.txt | 16:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-09-26-16.00.log.html | 16:39 |
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| julen | hi rluethi | 18:00 |
| rluethi | hi julen | 18:01 |
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| rluethi | #startmeeting training-labs | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 26 18:02:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rluethi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-labs)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_labs' | 18:02 |
| rluethi | alright, julen, what have you got? | 18:02 |
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| julen | not much... | 18:02 |
| julen | I tried the python port but I got an error | 18:02 |
| rluethi | #topic python-port | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "python-port (Meeting topic: training-labs)" | 18:03 | |
| dguitarbite | hello | 18:03 |
| rluethi | hi dguitarbite | 18:03 |
| julen | Unable to download http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04//. | 18:03 |
| julen | hi dguitarbite | 18:03 |
| rluethi | julen is just telling me that he found an error that he didn't tell me about. | 18:03 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: Everybody finds errors and does not tell you about ;). | 18:03 |
| rluethi | I love you guys, too. | 18:03 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Did we not fix this logic? | 18:03 |
| julen | well.. it was yesterday quite late.. :P | 18:03 |
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| dguitarbite | for this ubuntu bits ... I thought we did :| | 18:04 |
| rluethi | so, we're talking about python_port_13!? | 18:04 |
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| julen | oh... I thought about that, but you sent me the link to the port_3 so I tried that | 18:04 |
| julen | was I supposed to try the 13? | 18:05 |
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| rluethi | julen: I did? oops. sorry. yeah, always try the latest. | 18:05 |
| dguitarbite | julen: Yes. | 18:05 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: That is why one branch many commits ;) (look who is talking) | 18:05 |
| rluethi | there should be 14+ on, but I didn't get around to clean it up sufficiently. | 18:05 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: you are not completely wrong, I'll give you that. | 18:06 |
| julen | with the 13 I just got the same error | 18:06 |
| rluethi | julen: how do you call it? what platform? | 18:06 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: :) | 18:06 |
| rluethi | julen: can you send me log/stacktrain.log? | 18:06 |
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| julen | ./osbash.sh -b cluster | 18:07 |
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| rluethi | julen: osbash may be broken in that tree. I'll check. to try the python port, try ./st.py -b cluster | 18:08 |
| dguitarbite | julen: I think you should try something like python st.py -b cluster -p kvm|virtualbox | 18:08 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: +1 | 18:08 |
| dguitarbite | the ubuntu error is not existing in this. | 18:08 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: I am quite impressed :). Awesome! | 18:08 |
| rluethi | huh? | 18:09 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: With the python port I mean. | 18:09 |
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| rluethi | okay, I will have to clean up my repo and test. | 18:10 |
| dguitarbite | yes | 18:10 |
| rluethi | thanks julen for the initial report. | 18:10 |
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| dguitarbite | I still have some libvirt tuning to finish with my new setup. | 18:11 |
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| dguitarbite | But I should have a long report in email format for the same soonish. | 18:11 |
| rluethi | julen: do you think you could take the python port 13 for a spin now that you found it? | 18:12 |
| dguitarbite | #action dguitarbite Test python port and send the report. Black box and white box. | 18:12 |
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| julen | but... one question... for a python port... the osbash.sh script... it's still in Bash | 18:12 |
| rluethi | julen: yes, I am keeping the bash version around. we can have both there in parallel for a short time. | 18:12 |
| rluethi | they should both work, but maybe I broke osbash.sh when I was focused on python. | 18:13 |
| rluethi | julen: the python code is st.py and the files in labs/stacktrain. | 18:13 |
| dguitarbite | julen: I guess for the scope of testing the python port it is ok to overlook if the BASH version is broken. | 18:13 |
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| dguitarbite | julen: This should be tested before/while merging. | 18:14 |
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| julen | aha! now it works | 18:14 |
| rluethi | yes. for me, osbash.sh is still working, but I'll doublecheck. | 18:14 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: julen I have to leave early today. Could we finish up my topics? Parser and Newton Port? | 18:15 |
| julen | yes | 18:15 |
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| rluethi | #topic rst2bash parser | 18:15 |
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| dguitarbite | I have finally good progress. The parser is now fully functional with some minor and obvious bugs. | 18:15 |
| dguitarbite | I have a already charted a plan to push things upstream. | 18:16 |
| dguitarbite | I have to rebase and update the openstack-manuals repository which I am currently working on. | 18:16 |
| rluethi | oooh, new code in the repo. | 18:16 |
| dguitarbite | Additionally there is a bug with distro swich logic in the parser. The code is quite refined but still a bit bruteforcey but runs really fast. | 18:17 |
| dguitarbite | I will be further refactoring and optimizing the code (mostly for personal reasons) later on. | 18:17 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Yes :D. | 18:17 |
| rluethi | Who cares about fast if we only run it once every 6 months? :) | 18:17 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Today I finally nailed the path logic and I have to fix the next things again. | 18:17 |
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| julen | dguitarbite: once again... the openstack-manuals directory is empty | 18:18 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Yes and no. This should be run regularly but the optimizations should only make a few ms or nano seconds of difference ;). | 18:18 |
| julen | shouldn't it contain the rst files? | 18:18 |
| dguitarbite | julen: It is a git submodule. | 18:18 |
| dguitarbite | julen: It is linking from https://github.com/dguitarbite/openstack-manuals. | 18:18 |
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| julen | but it does not download that directory automatically | 18:19 |
| dguitarbite | There although needs some way for us to hook the new scripts into training-labs scripts folder. I am trying to find a graceful way for the same. | 18:19 |
| rluethi | julen: git submodule init; git submodule update; cd openstack-manuals; git checkout -f | 18:19 |
| rluethi | or something along these lines, anyway. | 18:19 |
| dguitarbite | +1 | 18:19 |
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| dguitarbite | $ git submodule init; git submodule update; | 18:19 |
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| dguitarbite | you do not need to do a git checkout -f (you may have to). | 18:20 |
| dguitarbite | julen: openstack-manuals is heavily bloated so give it a few minutes to clone. | 18:20 |
| julen | yep, I'm on it | 18:21 |
| dguitarbite | Anyhow, further plans involve immidiately merging my openstack-manuals clone to avoid my personal fork diverging too much. | 18:21 |
| dguitarbite | Updating the contributors guide with new changes. | 18:21 |
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| dguitarbite | Pushing the parser scripts to doc-tools. | 18:21 |
| julen | that's a good idea | 18:21 |
| dguitarbite | I have already finished talking to Andreas last week and working to get this done asap. | 18:21 |
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| dguitarbite | I have a half-updated openstack-manuals repository on my WS at present. | 18:22 |
| dguitarbite | Additionally this parser will also act as a linter to parse and vaildate the install-guides rst syntax. | 18:22 |
| julen | wow! that sounds great :) | 18:22 |
| dguitarbite | Install guides has feature freeze today, look up docs ML. | 18:22 |
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| dguitarbite | So, I will immidiately after finishing the other tasks, use the parser to generate Newton Scripts. | 18:23 |
| rluethi | new topic? | 18:23 |
| dguitarbite | Send them for review after testing and confirming that it works as expected. | 18:23 |
| rluethi | #topic Newton scripts | 18:23 |
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| dguitarbite | Install Guides has a feature freeze today. | 18:24 |
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| dguitarbite | I will use the parser to generate Newton scripts, use this oppurtunity to test the parser and additionally also update the scripts semi-automatically for training-labs Newton release. | 18:24 |
| julen | so, are we going automatic, or still manually? | 18:24 |
| dguitarbite | julen: Scripts will be generated automatically but there will be manual interventions at a couple of places here and there. | 18:24 |
| rluethi | I did a rough Newton port the old-fashioned way last week. | 18:25 |
| dguitarbite | I would not count of 100% reliability. Most probably 99%. Especially with all the given work arounds that we have in there. | 18:25 |
| rluethi | There are a lot of couple of places. | 18:25 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: You mean you used the parser or plain old manual? | 18:26 |
| rluethi | I used the manual and had to fix all kinds of issues not in the manual or even wrong in the manual. | 18:26 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: Even the install-guides is not stable yet. So I am sure that there would be many issues. | 18:27 |
| rluethi | the first fun part of the adventure was an update to xenial. | 18:27 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: That is why I was not bothered so much. | 18:27 |
| julen | sorry... I went, offline. My connection up here is not so good | 18:27 |
| rluethi | New, exciting races, too. | 18:27 |
| dguitarbite | Alright I have to run now, but I will be focused on finishing *everything* asap :). Also I have a lot of breathing room to test the python port including my new WS. | 18:27 |
| rluethi | okay, we can compare your Newton results to mine. | 18:28 |
| rluethi | :) | 18:28 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Alright :). Man v/s the Machine! | 18:28 |
| dguitarbite | Bye rluethi julen :). | 18:28 |
| rluethi | bye dguitarbite | 18:28 |
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| julen | oh.. bye guys | 18:29 |
| rluethi | so, julen, what do you plan to work on? do you even have time? | 18:29 |
| julen | oh.. | 18:29 |
| julen | well.. | 18:29 |
| julen | what do you want me to? | 18:30 |
| julen | test the python port and the parser? | 18:30 |
| rluethi | there is so much to do, just pick whatever you find interesting and rewarding :). | 18:30 |
| rluethi | of course I appreciated feedback on the python port. | 18:30 |
| rluethi | and the Newton port, once I have it online. | 18:31 |
| julen | well.. I'll go then with the testing and telling you what I find | 18:31 |
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| rluethi | okay, sounds good to me (of course). | 18:32 |
| rluethi | thanks. | 18:32 |
| rluethi | #topic anything else | 18:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "anything else (Meeting topic: training-labs)" | 18:32 | |
| rluethi | ? | 18:32 |
| julen | not from my side | 18:32 |
| rluethi | then I don't want to keep you. thanks for being here, let me know if you find something or need help. | 18:33 |
| rluethi | otherwise, see you next week. | 18:33 |
| julen | yep, see you... | 18:33 |
| rluethi | bye, julen | 18:34 |
| rluethi | #endmeeting | 18:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:34 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 26 18:34:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-09-26-18.02.html | 18:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-09-26-18.02.txt | 18:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-09-26-18.02.log.html | 18:34 |
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| dave-mccowan | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 26 20:00:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dave-mccowan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| dave-mccowan | Hello Barbicaneers | 20:01 |
| panatl | o/ | 20:01 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic rollcall | 20:01 |
| Jiahao | hi | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:01 | |
| panatl | hello dave | 20:01 |
| panatl | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | o/ | 20:01 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:02 |
| * woodster_ not used to redrobot wave there | 20:02 | |
| dave-mccowan | strange new world woodster_ :-) | 20:03 |
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| arunkant | o/ | 20:03 |
| woodster_ | ha! | 20:03 |
| * dave-mccowan channeling redrobot ... we have a few barbicaneers here today | 20:03 | |
| redrobot | haha | 20:04 |
| dave-mccowan | as usual, our agenda is here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:04 |
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| dave-mccowan | #topic gate are busted | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "gate are busted (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:04 | |
| dave-mccowan | arunkant discovered this morning that our gates are busted due to a version upgrade to pecan | 20:05 |
| dave-mccowan | we have 4 failures in functional tests and 6 in unit tests related to deleting ACLs | 20:05 |
| * redrobot ran into failures last Friday T__T | 20:05 | |
| dave-mccowan | we have competing interests: 1) getting gates to work, 2) not changing our API. | 20:06 |
| woodster_ | the pecan bump requires an API change? | 20:06 |
| arunkant | dave-mccowan: should be explictly set status code to 200 ..as default behavior is changed .. | 20:06 |
| dave-mccowan | it's interesting. at least it's showing up in our tests in a very narrow case. our API doc and implementation says when ACL is deleted successfully, we return 200 and an empty body. | 20:07 |
| dave-mccowan | when we successfully delete other resources (secrets, containers), we return 204 and an empty body. | 20:07 |
| dave-mccowan | to keep our doc and behavior consistent, we have to trick-out pecan to keep sending 200 with an empty body. | 20:08 |
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| woodster_ | wonderful | 20:08 |
| alee_ | o/ | 20:08 |
| redrobot | I do agree that 204 seems like the better response, but fixing success response codes is a no-no for api compatibility | 20:08 |
| redrobot | so we're stuck with the 200s until /v2 someday | 20:08 |
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| dave-mccowan | so to keep /v1 and be good stewards of our API, we need to figure out how to trick out pecan to keep sending 200 with an empty body. | 20:09 |
| woodster_ | yeah, sucks that slipped through though | 20:09 |
| dave-mccowan | the change in pecan is with a json renderer... so part of the fix might be to not use the json template for delete acl. | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | we need to be careful for unintended changes. | 20:10 |
| dave-mccowan | i'm working on it now, but if we there any pecan experts willing to chip in, please let me know | 20:11 |
| dave-mccowan | also... for some reason this gate failure is also showing up in stable/newton branch. :-( so, i think we'll need to spin an RC2. | 20:11 |
| woodster_ | I recall Oz was our last pecan expert? | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | to wrap up this topic... gates are broken, so hold off on rechecks, etc. until this is fixed. | 20:12 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic Newton release | 20:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Newton release (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:13 | |
| dave-mccowan | other than the broken gates, is there any other fix that needs to go into Newton? | 20:13 |
| Jiahao | Hi Barbicaneers, I am first time here. It seems like Barbican is still not working with Neutron Lbaas TLS for non-admin tenant. | 20:13 |
| Jiahao | My update is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/barbican/+bug/1592612/comments/5 | 20:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1592612 in neutron "LBaaS TLS is not working with non-admin tenant" [Undecided,New] | 20:13 |
| dave-mccowan | welcome Jiahao | 20:14 |
| Jiahao | Thx | 20:14 |
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| dave-mccowan | is this new behavior, or is this the first time you've tried this? | 20:14 |
| Jiahao | It stucks since late 2015 | 20:15 |
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| Jiahao | initially we think is only caused by bug #1519170 | 20:15 |
| openstack | bug 1519170 in octavia "LBaaS user needs permissions to POST consumers" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519170 | 20:15 |
| dave-mccowan | Jiahao please ask for help in #openstack-barbican right after this meeting. we're working through an agenda now. | 20:16 |
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| Jiahao | which was fixed like 2 week ago | 20:16 |
| Jiahao | sure | 20:16 |
| diazjf | o/ | 20:16 |
| Jiahao | will do | 20:16 |
| dave-mccowan | are there any other bugs that might be Newton showstoppers? | 20:16 |
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| dave-mccowan | moving on... | 20:17 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic midcycle action item review | 20:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "midcycle action item review (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:17 | |
| dave-mccowan | there were a few action items taking in the etherpad during the midcycle. | 20:17 |
| dave-mccowan | i just want to follow up until we decide they are done, or reassigned, or not needed any more. | 20:18 |
| alee_ | dave-mccowan, link? | 20:18 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot you had a bulk of these. any updates? (or request to pass them off?) | 20:18 |
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| dave-mccowan | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-newton-midcycle-topics | 20:19 |
| * redrobot scans etherpad | 20:19 | |
| redrobot | line 18 is done | 20:20 |
| redrobot | I sent out an email to the dev mailing list to announce deprecation of certificate issuance | 20:21 |
| redrobot | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103793.html | 20:21 |
| redrobot | there were no responses, so I assume we're good to go with deprecation | 20:21 |
| dave-mccowan | thanks redrobot | 20:21 |
| redrobot | I'm punting on the blogs | 20:21 |
| alee_ | dave-mccowan, I still think the blogs are a good idea | 20:22 |
| redrobot | Enabling integrations would be good to have | 20:23 |
| alee_ | dave-mccowan, (although of course I have not done the RH one yet) | 20:23 |
| redrobot | I can't remember if Deployment Guide is the same as the Installation Guide we've started? | 20:23 |
| redrobot | line 48 | 20:23 |
| dave-mccowan | i think the first step is to get all the information (how-to use barbican with other projects) in one place, then we can reformat into docs, blogs, presentations, tv commercials, etc. | 20:23 |
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| alee_ | redrobot, I think so -- we need to finish it | 20:24 |
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| diazjf | dave-mccowan, I'll work on the IBM blog. Just takes some time to get through the marketing/docs people. | 20:24 |
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| dave-mccowan | what's a good next step to make progress on this? it'd be nice to have something ready to share in barcelona. | 20:25 |
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| dave-mccowan | start collecting info in an etherpad? | 20:26 |
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| redrobot | probably configure jobs in infra to publish the guide somewhere? | 20:26 |
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| dave-mccowan | #action dave-mccowan find out where deployment guides need to be to get credit for maturity index | 20:27 |
| redrobot | or wiki? | 20:27 |
| alee_ | redrobot, dave-mccowan - there a number of different initiatives here 1) blog usage at different companies 2) collect and document integrations 3) deployment/install guide | 20:27 |
| alee_ | maybe a wiki to track progress on each one? | 20:27 |
| alee_ | or etherpad .. | 20:27 |
| dave-mccowan | there seems to be an overlap of content for each deliverable. to have a good source for verified content for these? | 20:28 |
| redrobot | I think raising the maturity level would be a good goal to have | 20:28 |
| alee_ | dave-mccowan, well we can put it all on the same etherpad. but they are slightly different cases | 20:29 |
| alee_ | and yeah the maturity level thing is another initiative | 20:29 |
| alee_ | dave-mccowan, I suggest you create an etherpad and we can start adding action items for each. | 20:30 |
| alee_ | and track progress that way | 20:30 |
| dave-mccowan | #action dave-mccowan start an etherpad with a to-do list to track documentation initiatives | 20:30 |
| alee_ | we can re-examine each week .. | 20:31 |
| redrobot | alee_ dave-mccowan +1 | 20:31 |
| dave-mccowan | sounds good. moving on.... | 20:31 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic Ocata Design Summit | 20:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata Design Summit (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:31 | |
| dave-mccowan | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-ocata-design-summit | 20:32 |
| dave-mccowan | please add your name to top if you plan to attend any of our sessions. | 20:32 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot reserved 6 work rooms and one fish bowl for us. our schedule in on that etherpad | 20:32 |
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| dave-mccowan | please add session ideas and vote for ones you like | 20:32 |
| dave-mccowan | we also need a good fishbowl idea. fishbowls are designed for a project to get input and have discussions from the broader community. | 20:33 |
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| kfarr | o/ | 20:34 |
| woodster_ | cross-project gate jobs might draw some good interest | 20:34 |
| dave-mccowan | hi kfarr | 20:34 |
| alee_ | woodster_, possibly | 20:34 |
| kfarr | woodster_ +1 | 20:35 |
| dave-mccowan | we're adding ideas to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-ocata-design-summit now | 20:35 |
| woodster_ | The architecture working group is interested in use cases for barbican as well...the integration tests might dove tail with those as well | 20:35 |
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| alee_ | woodster_, what use cases (other than what is already there?) | 20:36 |
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| alee_ | woodster_, maybe add that to the discussion topics | 20:36 |
| woodster_ | alee_: undercloud stuff as well as user-facing use cases. I think they'd like to formalize those use cases. | 20:37 |
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| woodster_ | might be worth attending their Thursday 2pm CDT meetings | 20:37 |
| alee_ | woodster_, well - we'd definitely like to figure out what those use cases are .. | 20:38 |
| dave-mccowan | woodster_ do you want to add those to the etherpad? | 20:38 |
| woodster_ | I'll carve out a placeholder section in there | 20:38 |
| alee_ | woodster_, are you in the architecture wg meetigs? | 20:39 |
| alee_ | dave-mccowan, might be good idea for you to attend perhaps. I can try too on occasion .. | 20:40 |
| woodster_ | I attended one last week, that's when the barbican discussions last week came from | 20:40 |
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| dave-mccowan | #action get engaged with architecture wg to understand requirements | 20:41 |
| woodster_ | full disclosure, maybe 10% will be barbican specific, but they seem open to discussing use cases involving barbican which I think is worth attending. They are also trying to beef up arch docs in general which is interesting to some | 20:41 |
| dave-mccowan | i recall they really wanted a turn-key solution, and they had questions if barbican alone could add value. | 20:42 |
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| alee_ | woodster_, one of the things I have been hearing about is the idea of making barbican a less optional thing as a basic step towards improving security | 20:42 |
| alee_ | woodster_, dave-mccowan but to do that, we need to be quite a bit more mature | 20:43 |
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| alee_ | which ties into the whole fucntional test gate thing for one thing | 20:43 |
| woodster_ | dave-mccowan Yep, and I mentiond Castellan as a way for projects to adapt into key manager support. | 20:43 |
| alee_ | and docs | 20:43 |
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| woodster_ | alee_: yeah, maturity would be a good thing to work on, as well as solid gate checks | 20:44 |
| alee_ | woodster_, dave-mccowan the use cases envisaged by the arch wg might also be a good fishbowl topic .. | 20:44 |
| alee_ | woodster_, though its not clear how well formed these ideas are | 20:45 |
| kfarr | it would be great to have a barbican / security gate for lots of features | 20:45 |
| kfarr | like cinder volume encryption and encrypted ephemeral storage and glance image signing and verificaiton | 20:45 |
| dave-mccowan | kfarr where is the best documentation on how to configure each of those? | 20:46 |
| kfarr | dave-mccowan let me find them | 20:47 |
| alee_ | kfarr, +1 | 20:48 |
| kfarr | volume encryption: http://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/config-reference/block-storage/volume-encryption.html | 20:48 |
| alee_ | woodster_, I understand your concern about projects breaking things - but other projects are less inclined to create a gate just for barbican | 20:48 |
| woodster_ | kfarr: +1 | 20:48 |
| alee_ | woodster_, on the other hand, we have a vested interest in motifying projects when they do break barbican | 20:49 |
| kfarr | http://docs.openstack.org/security-guide/tenant-data/data-encryption.html has a blurb on both ephemeral disk encryption and volume encryption | 20:49 |
| alee_ | woodster_, and also have a nice place to showcase all the integrations | 20:49 |
| dave-mccowan | after newton release is a good time to add gates. zuul gets busy near the end of a cycle | 20:50 |
| dave-mccowan | kfarr thanks! | 20:50 |
| dave-mccowan | #topic any other business | 20:50 |
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| woodster_ | alee_: yeah the concern I have is if a barbican integration gate is broken, it gets lower priority to fix, and then if the issue is another project's commit, it could take a long time to get that addressed (if at all). So if there isn't a commitment by all projects to fix things ASAP, this effort could just flounder | 20:50 |
| kfarr | image signature verification: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/glance/signature.html | 20:50 |
| diazjf | dave-mccowan spec https://github.com/openstack/barbican-specs/blob/master/specs/newton/deployer-specific-secret-metadata.rst needs to be removed from the Newton Release. I was unable to implement it due to critical proprietary deliverables :( We can talk more about it during the summit. | 20:50 |
| alee_ | dave-mccowan, incidentally , as part of the barbican workship, there will be materials/ code created on how to integrate with barbican | 20:51 |
| dave-mccowan | normally i'd ask for review links, but since the gate is busted... | 20:51 |
| redrobot | womp womp | 20:51 |
| redrobot | not sure if this is a newton showstopper, but I fixed this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/barbican/+bug/1627176 | 20:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627176 in Barbican "Add secret to generic container with trailing slash fails" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Douglas Mendizábal (dougmendizabal) | 20:51 |
| alee_ | woodster_, yeah - understood | 20:51 |
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| dave-mccowan | diazjf is there code that you want to remove? | 20:53 |
| diazjf | dave-mccowan no code was merged. Just the spec should be removed. | 20:53 |
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| dave-mccowan | alee_ great. we should make sure we can leverage that material is as many channels as possible | 20:55 |
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| dave-mccowan | redrobot what needs to happen to release newton? we can talk later, but i'd appreciate help going through that. (or if you want to be the release steward, i'll just watch and take notes) | 20:57 |
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| redrobot | dave-mccowan sure thing | 20:57 |
| redrobot | dave-mccowan I think the next step is letting the release manager know we may need an RC2 this week | 20:58 |
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| redrobot | dave-mccowan and we have to land the bugfixes in master | 20:58 |
| dave-mccowan | redrobot please check if have the permissions i need in launchpad | 20:59 |
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| arunkant | dave-mccowan: this pecan issue will likely impact stable/mitaka as well (internally we see this issue in that branch). | 20:59 |
| dave-mccowan | arunkant yes. thanks for identifying this. | 20:59 |
| dave-mccowan | out of time.... thanks everyone! | 21:00 |
| dave-mccowan | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 26 21:00:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-09-26-20.00.html | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-09-26-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-09-26-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| redrobot | thanks dave-mccowan ! | 21:00 |
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