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| dirk | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 29 13:01:57 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dirk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:02 |
| dirk | #topic roll call | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:02 | |
| jpena | o/ | 13:02 |
| toabctl | hi | 13:02 |
| number80 | o/ | 13:02 |
| number80 | ping dirk toabctl IgorYozhikov number80 jruzicka jpena aplanas | 13:03 |
| number80 | IgorYozhikov: ? | 13:04 |
| IgorYozhikov | o/ | 13:04 |
| number80 | ok, let's start | 13:05 |
| number80 | dirk: ? | 13:05 |
| dirk | yes, sorry | 13:05 |
| dirk | #topic Chair for the next two weeks (hguemar absent on october, 6) | 13:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Chair for the next two weeks (hguemar absent on october, 6) (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:06 | |
| dirk | I'm also absent very likely | 13:06 |
| number80 | anyone's up for october, 6 at least? | 13:06 |
| dirk | I can probably do the week after | 13:06 |
| jpena | I can do Oct 6 | 13:06 |
| number80 | #info dirk chairing october,13 meeting | 13:06 |
| IgorYozhikov | I can also | 13:06 |
| number80 | #info jpena chairing october,6 meeting | 13:06 |
| number80 | ah right | 13:07 |
| IgorYozhikov | ah, ok | 13:07 |
| dirk | #topic promote SUSE and MOS CI to voting gates (final decision) | 13:07 |
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| number80 | no opposition on the list, anyone who disagree with promotion? | 13:07 |
| jpena | no, +1 for me | 13:07 |
| toabctl | +1 | 13:07 |
| number80 | +1 | 13:07 |
| dirk | +1 | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | update from MOS side: we will handle stable/newton after branching process done in our downstream | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | so for master +1 | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | let's make them voting | 13:08 |
| number80 | I checked with infra-root earlier, and we're now able to add gates to rpm-packaging-ci group | 13:08 |
| toabctl | dirk, SUSE CI already handles stable/newton, right? | 13:08 |
| dirk | toabctl: yes | 13:08 |
| dirk | there were a few hickups in the last few days | 13:08 |
| astsmtl | Or, we can do it sooner if need arises. | 13:08 |
| dirk | also caused by a broken harddrive and other issues | 13:08 |
| dirk | but things should be good again | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | our branching in progress | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | believe that it takes a week | 13:09 |
| number80 | IgorYozhikov: ping me when you're done and I'll add MOS CI | 13:09 |
| IgorYozhikov | so very soon we could handle newton too | 13:09 |
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| IgorYozhikov | number80, sure | 13:09 |
| number80 | dirk, toabctl: suse CI is ready? | 13:09 |
| dirk | number80: yes | 13:09 |
| toabctl | number80, yes | 13:09 |
| astsmtl | You can add MOS CI as voting right now for every branch. | 13:09 |
| number80 | ok, I'll get it added today | 13:09 |
| astsmtl | It just won't vote in stable/newton. | 13:10 |
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| number80 | astsmtl: if you say so, I'll add it then :) | 13:10 |
| dirk | number80: thanks. youcould do in theory yourself once permissions are changed in gerrit | 13:10 |
| dirk | but for now you need an infra root | 13:10 |
| number80 | dirk: perms were fixed | 13:10 |
| dirk | oh, great | 13:10 |
| dirk | astsmtl: you need to change config then to remove the non-voting flag fyi | 13:10 |
| dirk | #action number80 change gate checks to allow voting for SUSE ci + mos ci | 13:11 |
| dirk | #action dirk change suse ci to propagate voting | 13:11 |
| astsmtl | I thought we'll make one CR for both CI systems | 13:11 |
| astsmtl | If not, we can modify config for MOS CI separately. | 13:11 |
| dirk | astsmtl: I think it is a dual change. once "allowing voting" and one "do vote" | 13:11 |
| dirk | the "do-vote" thing is a option in your local zuul | 13:12 |
| number80 | ok, added | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | :) | 13:12 |
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| dirk | #topic package reviews | 13:12 |
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| dirk | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open | 13:12 |
| dirk | anything somebody wants to bring up | 13:12 |
| dirk | in general things seem to be progressing | 13:12 |
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| dirk | there are two reviews that are stalled | 13:13 |
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| dirk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357361/ | 13:13 |
| dirk | this one depends on python-mistral | 13:13 |
| dirk | does anyone want to create a mistral package in rpm-packaging? | 13:13 |
| dirk | it doesn#t have to be perfect, just good enough to satisfy the dependency :) | 13:13 |
| astsmtl | JFYI, I'm working on ceilometer. | 13:13 |
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| number80 | I wouldn't start with mistral for service personally | 13:14 |
| jpena | I think IgorYozhikov wanted to prepare a mistral package | 13:14 |
| dirk | well, it blocks the whole tripleo related packages from going in | 13:14 |
| astsmtl | And btw, maybe we want some tool to sync on who does what? | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | I believe - we can | 13:14 |
| dirk | so it is important | 13:14 |
| astsmtl | Maybe etherpad? | 13:14 |
| dirk | gerrit? | 13:14 |
| dirk | feel free to post a unfinished review | 13:14 |
| dirk | at least I'm somewhat good at checking for duplicates.. | 13:15 |
| astsmtl | In Mirantis we use Google Spreadsheet for that. | 13:15 |
| toabctl | +1 for gerrit. | 13:15 |
| astsmtl | Ok. | 13:15 |
| number80 | Yep | 13:15 |
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| dirk | so can we at least have a mistral package that fulfills the tripleoclient deps? | 13:16 |
| dirk | just not package services and all the other stuff? | 13:16 |
| dirk | we can add that later, but I hate to see other things blocked on it right now | 13:16 |
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| number80 | well, tripleoclient should be renamed as triplemessclient | 13:16 |
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| toabctl | lol | 13:16 |
| number80 | not the easiest one to work on | 13:16 |
| dirk | alternatively we can remove the test dep | 13:16 |
| dirk | it is only for testing iirc, maybe we can get rid of it | 13:17 |
| number80 | it requires quite a lot of things like heat-templates etc ... | 13:17 |
| number80 | so mistral packaging alone won't unblock that review | 13:17 |
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| dirk | jpena: wanna try to reduce %check so that we can live without mistral? | 13:17 |
| IgorYozhikov | so mistral & heat? | 13:17 |
| jpena | dirk: I'll give it a try | 13:17 |
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| dirk | #action jpena try removing mistral from *triplo* review s for now | 13:18 |
| dirk | jpena: thanks! | 13:18 |
| IgorYozhikov | Am I right that we are going to cut mistral from test depends to unlock 3-O*? | 13:18 |
| dirk | yes | 13:19 |
| dirk | at least give that a try | 13:19 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok | 13:19 |
| dirk | alternatively if somebody has a mistral package, post a review :) | 13:19 |
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| number80 | *nods* | 13:19 |
| dirk | but we are running out of clients right now, we need to start with services | 13:19 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, I will try to do that | 13:20 |
| dirk | thanks | 13:20 |
| dirk | anything else on rpm-packaging? | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, colleagues did you have a chance to contact out newcomers? | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'm about Chinese folks? | 13:21 |
| dirk | I think number80 wanted to send an email | 13:21 |
| dirk | I haven't | 13:21 |
| IgorYozhikov | s/out/our/ | 13:21 |
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| dirk | but they seem to be active right now | 13:21 |
| dirk | maybe we could invite them here.. | 13:22 |
| IgorYozhikov | I posted in one of reviews invitation to irc | 13:22 |
| number80 | Yeah, I haven't yet | 13:22 |
| number80 | if nobody does, I will do today or tomorrow | 13:23 |
| toabctl | I pinged tony in #rpm-packaging | 13:23 |
| number80 | I'd like to channel their efforts, as some of the clients they submitted needs proper checking (e.g requirements etc...) | 13:24 |
| number80 | so more focused reviews, to have a faster throughput | 13:24 |
| IgorYozhikov | yep, I saw them | 13:24 |
| IgorYozhikov | will spend some time today & tomorrow on that | 13:24 |
| dirk | number80: yeah, it would also be good to explain tha tyou can fix more than one character per git commit :) | 13:24 |
| dirk | e.g. all the url changes could have been done in one review | 13:25 |
| * number80 notes to add that point | 13:26 | |
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| number80 | Yes, these do not affect builds so it can be done in one go | 13:26 |
| dirk | anyway, no harm done, I'm fine either way | 13:26 |
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| dirk | I took the liberty to fastapprove those trivial changes to reduce workload for others | 13:26 |
| number80 | wfm | 13:26 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/378444/ - didn't pass SUSE CI | 13:27 |
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| IgorYozhikov | in that PR url changed | 13:27 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: thats a flakey test | 13:27 |
| dirk | oslo.messaging fails like 50% of the cases right now | 13:27 |
| IgorYozhikov | i c | 13:27 |
| dirk | I don't know exactly why, but it is fairly annoying | 13:27 |
| dirk | it is not visible in the mos ci because it only rebuilds one package, while we always rebuild everything against everything | 13:28 |
| dirk | I was already searching in oslo.messaging git whether there is a fix somewhere but couldn't pinpoint one | 13:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes, mos ci rebuilds only changed | 13:28 |
| dirk | I would love to get that one nailed though | 13:29 |
| dirk | next? | 13:29 |
| dirk | #topic pymod2pkg reviews | 13:29 |
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| dirk | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/pymod2pkg+status:open | 13:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/379419/1/pymod2pkg/__init__.py | 13:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | look like only 1 PR awaiting | 13:30 |
| number80 | no controversies here | 13:31 |
| dirk | #topic renderspec reviews | 13:31 |
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| dirk | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/renderspec+status:open | 13:31 |
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| dirk | anything there? | 13:31 |
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| number80 | same here, if some can +W the g-r one | 13:32 |
| jruzicka | I'd drom https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336151/ | 13:32 |
| jruzicka | *drop | 13:32 |
| IgorYozhikov | omg, dirk, number80 is it normal that I have verified option enabled? | 13:32 |
| toabctl | me too | 13:32 |
| dirk | ah, thats a good one | 13:32 |
| dirk | to be honest I can't make up my mind on this one | 13:32 |
| dirk | I see good in either approach | 13:32 |
| number80 | IgorYozhikov: let's see in the other chan | 13:32 |
| jruzicka | yeah but it's in a bad -1 state | 13:33 |
| number80 | ok, how about discussing it in the mailing list? | 13:33 |
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| number80 | astsmtl: do you feel like driving that discussion? | 13:33 |
| jruzicka | you mean postponing even further | 13:33 |
| astsmtl | I want to update this CR. | 13:33 |
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| jruzicka | astsmtl, OK, please do. | 13:34 |
| toabctl | it's changing the current default behavior. | 13:34 |
| toabctl | ok | 13:34 |
| astsmtl | Let return do discussion after that. | 13:34 |
| jruzicka | great | 13:34 |
| number80 | jruzicka: no, just want to avoid eternal postponing, because nobody can take a final decision on the design | 13:34 |
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| jruzicka | we got our next step there, so I'm happy | 13:34 |
| dirk | ok | 13:34 |
| dirk | can someone summarize the next step in an agreed statement for the bot ? | 13:35 |
| jruzicka | toabctl, how's the {{ requires going }} ? | 13:35 |
| * jruzicka summarizing | 13:35 | |
| toabctl | jruzicka, no progress. I was on vacation (and will be on vacation again) | 13:35 |
| jruzicka | #action astsmtl to upload next version of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336151/ before continuing discussion | 13:36 |
| dirk | jruzicka: thx | 13:36 |
| dirk | #topic open discussion | 13:36 |
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| jpena | can I haz new releases for renderspec and pymod2pkg? They'll be useful to complete DLRN support for the 3rd party CI | 13:36 |
| number80 | jpena: sure | 13:37 |
| jruzicka | oh, right, how do one make a relese btw? | 13:37 |
| jpena | thx :) | 13:37 |
| jruzicka | is just pushing verison tag enough? | 13:37 |
| number80 | jruzicka: sending a review to releases repo | 13:37 |
| jruzicka | ah yes | 13:37 |
| * number80 will take care of that | 13:37 | |
| jruzicka | #action number80 to release new versions of pymod2pkg and renderspec with latest fixes | 13:38 |
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| jruzicka | wait I'm not chair :D | 13:38 |
| number80 | I'd like to finalize summit fishbowl agenda, there was no new changes for a while, are we good? | 13:38 |
| number80 | yes | 13:38 |
| dirk | jruzicka: sorry | 13:38 |
| jruzicka | my bad, I came late | 13:38 |
| dirk | #chair jruzicka number80 IgorYozhikov toabctl jpena astsmtl | 13:38 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov astsmtl dirk jpena jruzicka number80 toabctl | 13:38 |
| jruzicka | #action astsmtl to upload next version of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336151/ before continuing discussion | 13:39 |
| jruzicka | #action number80 to release new versions of pymod2pkg and renderspec with latest fixes | 13:39 |
| astsmtl | Oh, sorry guys, seems like I was wrong, and I will no do another version of this request | 13:39 |
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| astsmtl | s/no/not | 13:39 |
| jruzicka | even better! | 13:39 |
| number80 | astsmtl: you mean the renderspec change or something else? | 13:39 |
| jruzicka | astsmtl, please abandon it in that case | 13:39 |
| astsmtl | So we can discuss it here or in ML. | 13:39 |
| number80 | yes | 13:39 |
| astsmtl | I won't abandon it, because I believe that this beahviour is much better than what we have now. | 13:40 |
| jruzicka | so I didn't understand your sentence, then | 13:40 |
| astsmtl | :D | 13:41 |
| astsmtl | I mean - I can't improve it more. :P | 13:42 |
| jruzicka | oh I see | 13:42 |
| number80 | then, let's discuss about design, and make choices | 13:43 |
| number80 | Until we do so, nobody will agree on what to do with this review | 13:43 |
| dirk | so I think what astsmtl wants to do is | 13:43 |
| dirk | "if a file was given as argument, and it doesn't exist, fail" | 13:43 |
| jruzicka | yes, reasonable | 13:44 |
| dirk | "if a file was not given explicitely but is the default, then *fail* as well" | 13:44 |
| dirk | right? | 13:44 |
| dirk | and the latter part is what jruzicka objects to, right? | 13:44 |
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| astsmtl | No, if file was not specified we don't want to fail. | 13:44 |
| dirk | ah, ok | 13:44 |
| dirk | so if it was not specified explictly on command line but the implict one does not exist, silently ignore that | 13:45 |
| * number80 will revisit review again | 13:45 | |
| jruzicka | yeah but then I found out the default isn't used | 13:46 |
| astsmtl | Oh.. again no. | 13:46 |
| jruzicka | and it's also outside of current dir which is maddness | 13:46 |
| astsmtl | There cannot be default values for these files. | 13:46 |
| jruzicka | I'll revisit it too. | 13:46 |
| jruzicka | astsmtl, oh there can as well as requirements.txt is | 13:46 |
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| astsmtl | So if you want them to affect render process - you specify them explicitly. | 13:47 |
| number80 | astsmtl: I'll add it to next week meeting agenda, so it doesn't drag further | 13:47 |
| jruzicka | astsmtl, templates that are part of renderspec also affect render process yet you don't need to pass them | 13:48 |
| astsmtl | Because they are part of renderspec. | 13:48 |
| astsmtl | If we make global-requirements.txt and epochs part of renderspec, they can be used by default. | 13:48 |
| jruzicka | yes and we can have a convention for arbitrary files that affect the rendering process | 13:48 |
| astsmtl | That was my idey, that I reconsidered. | 13:49 |
| jruzicka | if sane and well documented, I'm always for tools that work without parameters for the default use case | 13:49 |
| astsmtl | s/idey/idea/ | 13:49 |
| astsmtl | Well, propose good default value then. | 13:49 |
| jruzicka | I'm not aware about such convention now, so we can remove this unused magic | 13:49 |
| jruzicka | and reintroduce it when needed | 13:49 |
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| toabctl | hi TonyXu | 13:50 |
| jruzicka | astsmtl, yes, alternative to your change would be a good default :) | 13:50 |
| astsmtl | Not alternative but addition I think. | 13:50 |
| jruzicka | removing the removal :D | 13:50 |
| jruzicka | sure. I'll revisit the review until next meeting | 13:51 |
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| astsmtl | My change has an important point that specified non-existing files should lead to failure. | 13:51 |
| jruzicka | explicit is good unless you don't need to be explicit about obvious things that are same 90 % of time :) | 13:51 |
| dirk | astsmtl: hmm, so one thing we could do is require a single "--context" parameter that refrences all files that should be used for rendering a spec | 13:51 |
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| dirk | if its not given, we abort | 13:52 |
| dirk | if it is given, we have pointers to everything that will be considered that way | 13:52 |
| jruzicka | but do we use epoch.yaml in the render process? | 13:52 |
| dirk | then jruzicka is still happy because he could alias "renderspec" to "renderspec --context fedora-with-all-my-epochs-and-deps" and be good | 13:52 |
| astsmtl | It's the same as current request. | 13:53 |
| dirk | astsmtl: ok, I guess I didn't read that out of the existing git commit message | 13:53 |
| jruzicka | well I'm OK with current concept (the second revision) | 13:53 |
| dirk | I might have had a bad understanding | 13:53 |
| jruzicka | just need to test it again | 13:53 |
| jruzicka | let's stop this | 13:53 |
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| dirk | ok | 13:54 |
| dirk | #action jruzicka revisit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336151/2 | 13:54 |
| jruzicka | all information required has been transfered | 13:54 |
| jruzicka | yes | 13:54 |
| dirk | great, thanks astsmtl and jruzicka | 13:54 |
| astsmtl | :) | 13:54 |
| dirk | anything else before we end? | 13:54 |
| IgorYozhikov | nope | 13:55 |
| dirk | ok, cya, and toabctl, don't make too much vacation ;) | 13:55 |
| dirk | #endmeeting | 13:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 29 13:55:26 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-09-29-13.01.html | 13:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-09-29-13.01.txt | 13:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-09-29-13.01.log.html | 13:55 |
| toabctl | ciao :) | 13:56 |
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| number80 | thanks dirk for chairing | 13:56 |
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| jruzicka | and everyone else for caring | 13:58 |
| jruzicka | :) | 13:58 |
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| slashme | #startmeeting freezer | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 29 14:01:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slashme. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:01 |
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| slashme | Hello everyone :) | 14:02 |
| yangyapeng | hello slashme | 14:02 |
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| slashme | As usual, the meeting agenda and recap is available here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:03 |
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| slashme | Let's give a few more minutes for people to join. | 14:04 |
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| szaher_ | hi slashme | 14:04 |
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| slashme | Hi szaher | 14:05 |
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| yangyapeng | hello szaher :) | 14:05 |
| zhusz | Hello, everyone | 14:05 |
| yangyapeng | zhusz: :） | 14:06 |
| slashme | Hello zhusz | 14:06 |
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| zhusz | yapeng,slashme: :) | 14:06 |
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| szaher | Hello yangyapeng | 14:07 |
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| szaher | How is it going in China ? | 14:07 |
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| zhusz | szaher: I'm in China also. Not bad, you? | 14:09 |
| yangyapeng | szaher: fine | 14:10 |
| zhusz | We have a long vacation. 7 days. | 14:10 |
| szaher | yangyapeng, zhusz we are good here :) | 14:10 |
| zhusz | Oct1-Oct7 | 14:10 |
| szaher | Oh good is it a feast ? | 14:10 |
| zhusz | Yeah. | 14:11 |
| slashme | Okay, seems like ddieterly and timothyb89 won't be joining. Let's start. | 14:11 |
| yangyapeng | sure | 14:11 |
| slashme | #topic newton_release | 14:11 |
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| slashme | I release freezer version 3.0.0rc2 | 14:12 |
| slashme | yesterday | 14:12 |
| slashme | This will be our newton relase. | 14:12 |
| yangyapeng | slashme: nice | 14:12 |
| slashme | We won't be able to release the newton branch again before october 9th (official release). | 14:13 |
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| slashme | Thanks a lot to everyone involved this during the Newton cycle, You all did a great job :) | 14:13 |
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| szaher | Thanks slashme for all your hard work and dedication | 14:14 |
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| yangyapeng | thanks slashme Good leadership | 14:15 |
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| slashme | Thank you guys :) | 14:15 |
| slashme | Next topic | 14:15 |
| slashme | #topic barcelona_summit | 14:16 |
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| slashme | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barcelona_summit_preparation | 14:18 |
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| slashme | I'm open to ideas about what you think should be discussed with the community regarding Freezer. | 14:19 |
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| yangyapeng | slashme: Sorry, Now there is the url for the topic about freezer will share | 14:20 |
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| zhusz | I don't have a good idea on the topic. | 14:23 |
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| szaher | slashme: Can we do a survey what the users expected to see in freezer and what they see it needs to be done ? | 14:25 |
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| slashme | This is not really the purpose of the developer session at the summit. They are more targeted at discussing one specific feature or engineering point. | 14:26 |
| yangyapeng | aggree szaher Collect user requirements | 14:26 |
| slashme | The turvey is a very goo idea though | 14:26 |
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| slashme | survey* | 14:26 |
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| slashme | We should set that up online in the following weeks. | 14:27 |
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| slashme | #topic survey | 14:28 |
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| szaher | slashme: Yes, totally agree let's do it online | 14:28 |
| slashme | What Kind of question do you want to be asked ? | 14:28 |
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| vnogin | Add ability to backup all nova instances and cinder volumes per tenant/cloud | 14:29 |
| szaher | Do you use freezer to backup your data ? | 14:29 |
| szaher | What kind of data do you use freezer to backup ? | 14:29 |
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| szaher | what features do you use in freezer ? | 14:29 |
| szaher | what do you like most in freezer ? | 14:29 |
| szaher | what do you dislike most in freezer ? | 14:29 |
| szaher | what needs to be improved ? | 14:30 |
| szaher | what features you need to have in freezer ? | 14:30 |
| yangyapeng | szaher: good | 14:30 |
| szaher | how much freezer is fulfilling you backup/restore needs ? | 14:30 |
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| szaher | Do you use freezer as a dr solution ?? | 14:30 |
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| szaher | Do you think freezer is good enough to cover this area (dr) ? | 14:31 |
| szaher | yangyapeng: Thanks | 14:31 |
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| szaher | Do you want freezer to focus on backup openstack infra only or you want to use for other infra you have in your datacenter ? | 14:31 |
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| slashme | What kind of data do you want to backup with Freezer ? | 14:32 |
| slashme | - Backup of OpenStack Workloads (Vm / Volumes) using OpenStack Api's | 14:32 |
| slashme | - Backup of other OpenStack data (Users, Networks, ...) | 14:32 |
| slashme | - Backup of OpenStack Workloads using an agent inside the Vm. | 14:32 |
| slashme | - Backup of the OpenStack infrastructure | 14:32 |
| zhusz | what are the difficulties encountered on dr? | 14:32 |
| slashme | - Backup of data outside of OpenStack | 14:32 |
| slashme | 14:32 | |
| vnogin | do you want to have ability to backup UnderCloud (installed packages, network configuration, etc) | 14:33 |
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| vnogin | do you want backup policies and permissions | 14:34 |
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| zhusz | Where do you backup data to? swift? nas or san? others? | 14:35 |
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| vnogin | and ceph | 14:36 |
| zhusz | yes | 14:36 |
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| yangyapeng | this is a future ceph and tenant backup | 14:36 |
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| vnogin | yangyapeng, sure, however it's good idea to add it into survey document | 14:37 |
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| slashme | Well, ceph is already supported through the radosgw. | 14:38 |
| slashme | Do you mean pushing data to ceph directly through the librbd ? | 14:39 |
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| vnogin | slashme, frankly I haven't seen that freezer already supports it through rados. I'll check it | 14:41 |
| slashme | Well... | 14:41 |
| slashme | Freezer support the OpenStack Object api (swift ) | 14:41 |
| vnogin | ups | 14:42 |
| vnogin | yes, agree ) | 14:42 |
| vnogin | the same api can be used :) | 14:42 |
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| slashme | When you install and configure the radosgw, it replaces the swift api and provide (almost) the same feature. | 14:42 |
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| slashme | So it should work out of the box (in Theoty) | 14:42 |
| vnogin | what about block devices? | 14:42 |
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| slashme | Well this is another matter... | 14:43 |
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| vnogin | yep | 14:43 |
| vnogin | however needs to be added | 14:43 |
| slashme | Yes | 14:43 |
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| slashme | Okay. Let's keep refining that list of questions during the next weeks and proceed with the survey. | 14:44 |
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| slashme | Next Topic | 14:45 |
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| slashme | #topic ocata_ptl | 14:45 |
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| yangyapeng | I have see it result :) | 14:45 |
| yangyapeng | congratulations | 14:45 |
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| slashme | So it seems like you are stuck with me again for the next six month ;) | 14:45 |
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| slashme | Thank you all for your votes :) | 14:46 |
| zhusz | Congratulations! | 14:46 |
| yangyapeng | slashme: You deserve it congratulations | 14:46 |
| vnogin | slashme, grats :) | 14:46 |
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| slashme | I'd like also to thank ddieterly for participating, I know he would have made a very good PTL as well. I'm sure he will get that role sometime in the future. | 14:47 |
| ddieterly | slashme thanks | 14:47 |
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| ddieterly | slashme you'll do a great job, again! | 14:48 |
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| slashme | Thank you :) | 14:48 |
| slashme | In the folowing weeks and during the summit we'll work on defining the final roadmap for Ocata and work on that. | 14:48 |
| slashme | #topic Transition_to_relational_database | 14:49 |
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| slashme | As most of you already know, we have the project of switching from our current database (elasticsearch) to oslo.db | 14:49 |
| szaher_ | :) | 14:50 |
| vnogin | awesome :) | 14:50 |
| yangyapeng | Very meaningful | 14:50 |
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| slashme | This mean we will support Mysql, postgresql, sqlite, ... | 14:50 |
| slashme | We want to to this because: | 14:50 |
| slashme | - Administrator won't have to maintain two database at the same time | 14:51 |
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| slashme | - Elasticsearch is not the most stable thing in the world | 14:51 |
| slashme | - The kind of data we generate is relational | 14:51 |
| slashme | During the next few weeks, we will work at defining the model and how the migration will happen | 14:52 |
| slashme | I created this etherpad to document the process: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_mysql_migration | 14:52 |
| slashme | It is empty for now, but as we start adding content, feel free to review and participate :) | 14:53 |
| slashme | Silviu (new in the Freezer community, he works with daemontool at Ericson ) will help write the code | 14:53 |
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| slashme | Last but not least | 14:54 |
| slashme | #topic Pending_reviews | 14:54 |
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| slashme | -https://review.openstack.org/#/c/379281/ | 14:54 |
| slashme | -https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376411/ | 14:54 |
| slashme | -https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377689/ | 14:54 |
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| slashme | Not limited to these | 14:55 |
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| slashme | Please as usual *test* and review | 14:55 |
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| slashme | Does anyone would like to bring up any other topic ? | 14:56 |
| szaher_ | Thanks slashme | 14:56 |
| yangyapeng | we should have a good documentation about python-freezerclient | 14:56 |
| slashme | +1 | 14:57 |
| yangyapeng | because we have merge the code freezer-scheuder to freezer | 14:57 |
| vnogin | what about specs? :) | 14:57 |
| slashme | We need to have the specs repo initialized. | 14:57 |
| vnogin | yep, I saw your PR :) | 14:58 |
| slashme | I need to do that | 14:58 |
| yangyapeng | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367251/ python-freezeclient need to review :) | 14:58 |
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| yangyapeng | 1 minute | 14:59 |
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| slashme | Thank you everyone for coming to the meeting :) | 14:59 |
| slashme | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| vnogin | thanks guys :) | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 29 15:00:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-09-29-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-09-29-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-09-29-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
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| * slashme waves at the Manilla team. Have a good meeting :) | 15:00 | |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 29 15:01:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
| ganso | hello | 15:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:01 |
| markstur_ | hi | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:01 |
| jseiler | hi | 15:01 |
| dustins | \o | 15:01 |
| rraja | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | so a few people are out it looks like | 15:02 |
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| toabctl | hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | nothing on the agenda other than more ocata design summit planning | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | we're 1 week away from final release of newton, and I haven't heard about any release blocker bugs | 15:03 |
| bswartz | has anyone seen any bugs that might be worthy of an rc2? | 15:03 |
| * bswartz hears silence | 15:04 | |
| bswartz | excellent | 15:04 |
| tbarron | manila-ui is handled separately, right? | 15:04 |
| bswartz | #topic Ocata Design Summit | 15:04 |
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| vponomaryov | manila is excellent )) | 15:04 |
| tbarron | we have CVE fix to get into manila-ui for newton | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: it's considered a "lib" and it will get a bugfix release | 15:05 |
| tbarron | bswartz: k, thx | 15:05 |
| bswartz | tbarron: just need to backport to stable/newton branch | 15:05 |
| tbarron | so we need some love for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/378972/ | 15:05 |
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| tbarron | and for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/378972/ | 15:05 |
| tbarron | we need the second for the first to pass | 15:06 |
| bswartz | why is jenkins unhappy? | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | it is the same ) | 15:06 |
| tbarron | just told you :) | 15:06 |
| ganso | tbarron: both links are the same | 15:06 |
| bswartz | tbarron: same link | 15:06 |
| tbarron | ah, sorry | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | #link https://review.openstack.org/378971 | 15:06 |
| tbarron | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/378971/ | 15:06 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: ty | 15:06 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:06 |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ocata-design-summit-topics | 15:07 |
| bswartz | so thanks for proposing some topics here | 15:07 |
| bswartz | these topics seem to mostly overlap with what I was going to propose | 15:08 |
| bswartz | however the thing that bothers me the most seems to be missing still | 15:08 |
| bswartz | I would like to spend a bunch of time eliminating race conditions | 15:09 |
| bswartz | I tossed out a proposal for how to do it a few month back, but I get the feeling it will require a concerted effort to actually make progress | 15:09 |
| ganso | bswartz: if I am not mistaken there is a topic proposed by goutham in the list wrt to that | 15:09 |
| bswartz | ganso: which? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | the DLM one? | 15:10 |
| tbarron | related, but not exactly the same | 15:10 |
| ganso | bswartz: below "access rules fixes" | 15:10 |
| bswartz | yeah there is an important distinction between DLM stuff and race condition elimination | 15:10 |
| ganso | bswartz: "micro-states" | 15:11 |
| bswartz | okay I see it in a sub-sub bullet | 15:11 |
| bswartz | microstates and lock deserve top level topics | 15:11 |
| bswartz | I want to spend at least a whole working session on this stuff, maybe more | 15:11 |
| tbarron | +1 | 15:11 |
| bswartz | a DLM is worthless if we don't even have locks where we need them | 15:11 |
| * ganso is on his smartphone thus is typing slowly | 15:12 | |
| bswartz | so my proposal is to prioritize getting the locking right, and how we tackle distributed environments is a follow on concern | 15:12 |
| bswartz | of course we need to make sure we don't pick a solution that precludes distributed/scalable environments | 15:13 |
| ganso | bswartz: we should have a list of problems beforehand | 15:13 |
| bswartz | however I think my proposal already meets that requirement | 15:13 |
| bswartz | ganso: yes | 15:13 |
| bswartz | that's where I was going | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | I want to write down several concrete problems we face today, and outline concrete solutions | 15:13 |
| ganso | bswartz: we kinda discussed a bit of that in Austin, but we were unable to cite which problems exactly besides the access rules one which is going to be fixed by redesign | 15:14 |
| xyang1 | tbarron: I thought you have a WIP patch on DLM. are you still working on it? | 15:14 |
| bswartz | and I want to make sure everyone is on the same page about the solutions so we don't end up with disagreements about the right way to do state transitions | 15:14 |
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| tbarron | xyang1: not currently | 15:14 |
| bswartz | ganso: that's fair | 15:14 |
| bswartz | xyang1: you're thinking of gouthamr | 15:14 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: I thought tbarron proposed a patch | 15:15 |
| bswartz | ganso: I think the access rules issue happened to be the one that gets exposed by the gate most often | 15:15 |
| tbarron | xyang1: and I agree with bswartz that getting the model for handliing races is the first step, mechanism later | 15:15 |
| xyang1 | tbarron: sure | 15:15 |
| bswartz | however we have other horrible race conditions -- such as create snapshot racing with delete share | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: actually, I don't think such race is a problem | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: there is no use case for it | 15:16 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: there is no use case for it, but it needs to fail predictably | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: race of several access rules - it si a problem, yes | 15:17 |
| toabctl | vponomaryov, use case? if one user creates a snapshot and another one deletes the share... | 15:17 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: this is tbarron's patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318336 | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | create snapshot can even race with itself, which is not good | 15:17 |
| bswartz | xyang1: author/commiter are both gouthamr | 15:18 |
| tbarron | xyang1: that's mostly goutham's at this point | 15:18 |
| xyang1 | ok | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | toabctl: yes, it is not use case, they shoot at each other | 15:18 |
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| toabctl | vponomaryov, and that shouldn't be possible imo. | 15:18 |
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| bswartz | I'm sure if we dig we will find other race conditions | 15:18 |
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| vponomaryov | toabctl: I would say such race is low priority | 15:19 |
| bswartz | the point is that these are not hard to fix by proper state transitions | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | toabctl: very low | 15:19 |
| bswartz | and we can give reasonable error messages when the bad races occur | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | anyways I'll add my topic proposal to the list | 15:20 |
| bswartz | but I wanted to spend this time going over any other proposals | 15:20 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: I like how you want features to be implemented, but not by you :-) | 15:21 |
| bswartz | do any of these topics need discussing? | 15:22 |
| ganso | bswartz: we are not going to have a "remaining topics session" like on Austin friday, right? | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | ganso: that's a good question | 15:22 |
| bswartz | unlike Austin there will be contributor meetups for only half the day | 15:23 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: I would just +1 if anyone proposed topics I mentioned that I do not own ) | 15:23 |
| bswartz | and we can use the contributor meetup time for whatever we like | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | we could use that time to hit a bunch of smaller topics, or we could use that time to dig in on one very hard topic | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | ganso: did you want a "remining topics" session? | 15:24 |
| ganso | bswartz: not sure, it just seemed like it aacording to the schedule you linked last week | 15:25 |
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| tbarron | I like re-mining old topics | 15:25 |
| bswartz | I think one mistake we made in Austin was that we discussed a lot of stuff which nobody ultimately spent any time on in Newton | 15:25 |
| bswartz | since Ocata is going to be so squeezed for time, we need to make sure we use our time productively and talk about stuff which will actually get done | 15:25 |
| ganso | bswartz: and we got to choose the most relevant ones for the sessions | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | ganso: yeah that's how we've done it before | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | ganso: I think that results in people choosing "interesting" topics though even if there's no willpower to make them happen | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | so perhaps we should make sure to capture commitments from people to actually get stuff done before we put a topic on the schedule | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | btw I looked at the ocata schedule and there only about 8 non-holiday weeks between design summit and feature freeze | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | so make sure you think about that when signing up to implement anything | 15:29 |
| bswartz | of course there's a few weeks before the design summit where we can get work done | 15:29 |
| markstur__ | so the good news is we're almost done with Ocata | 15:29 |
| markstur__ | that's coming pretty fast | 15:29 |
| bswartz | indeed | 15:30 |
| ganso | markstur__: lol | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | markstur is being funny but it's not a joke -- we really need to think in terms of taking stuff that's almost done and finishing it up for ocata | 15:30 |
| bswartz | starting something new is most likely doomed to fail | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | unless it's very small | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | okay so anything else on design summit? | 15:32 |
| bswartz | I will add my topics to the etherpad when I'm back in the office next week | 15:32 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:33 |
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| bswartz | dustins: I saw that you sent out a ML post about docs | 15:33 |
| bswartz | dustins: thanks for doing that | 15:33 |
| ganso | what about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/374883/ ? | 15:33 |
| bswartz | ganso: yeah I need to update that when I'm back in the office too | 15:34 |
| ganso | bswartz: ok | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | ganso: I could do a round of typo-fixing real quick today so people can offer more substantive feedback | 15:34 |
| tbarron | that's exactly what we need to avoid (the first, not the second) | 15:35 |
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| tbarron | fix all the typos at the end | 15:35 |
| ganso | bswartz: I am not sure typos are holding back that many people | 15:35 |
| tbarron | seeing 43 iterations on a spec with no changes but typos ... | 15:35 |
| bswartz | tbarron: well all the comments create clutter which could discourage others from replying | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: there's a reason I've waited this long | 15:36 |
| tbarron | bswartz: true that, so do many iterations with no substantive changes | 15:36 |
| ganso | bswartz: seems there are concerns to be addressed, not really so many wrt to typos | 15:36 |
| bswartz | ganso: well those I won't get to today, unless we want to discuss them here | 15:37 |
| ganso | bswartz: np, yes we could discuss, assuming everyone has read it by now. But I am fine with discussing on the spec | 15:37 |
| ganso | s/spec/gerrit | 15:38 |
| bswartz | okay so look for a new revision Monday | 15:38 |
| bswartz | I'll take tbarron's advice and leave typos in | 15:38 |
| bswartz | :-D | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | did dustins vanish? | 15:39 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: make typos in most valueable places )) | 15:39 |
| tbarron | dustins is quite busy today | 15:39 |
| * dustins switches back to meeting | 15:39 | |
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| bswartz | I wanted to know if he's getting any help with the docs items he asked for help on | 15:40 |
| tbarron | :) | 15:40 |
| dustins | bswartz: You're welcome :) | 15:40 |
| dustins | There's still a LOT to do, but it looks like there's been some activity | 15:40 |
| bswartz | okay well I'll offer a plug here | 15:40 |
| dustins | So thanks to the folks that have been adding to the etherpad | 15:40 |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton_documentation_blitz | 15:40 |
| bswartz | thanks for those that are helping keep the docs in shape | 15:41 |
| bswartz | they matter a lot to actual users | 15:41 |
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| dustins | +1000 | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | alright so just a reminder that final release isn't for 1 more week | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | if a critical bug is found, we still have time to get a fix into the release, so keep hunting for bugs and make sure to call attention to any that seem worth of RC2 consideration | 15:43 |
| bswartz | otherwise, the focus should be on updating docs and preparing for ocata | 15:43 |
| bswartz | that's all for today | 15:43 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 29 15:44:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-09-29-15.01.html | 15:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-09-29-15.01.txt | 15:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-09-29-15.01.log.html | 15:44 |
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| tmcpeak | #startmeeting security | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 29 17:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | #chair hyakuhei- | 17:00 |
| browne | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei- tmcpeak | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:00 |
| mdong | o/ | 17:01 |
| knangia | o/ | 17:01 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | wassup everybody | 17:01 |
| elmiko | o/ (sorta) | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | hi sorta elmiko | 17:01 |
| vinaypotluri | o/ | 17:01 |
| elmiko | =) | 17:01 |
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| lhinds | O/ | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | lhinds: you get the longest blog post eva up? :P | 17:02 |
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| tmcpeak | dg____: review anchor! | 17:02 |
| lhinds | tmcpeak: i got nits disagreeing with each other on there :P | 17:02 |
| dg____ | tmcpeak ok | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | lhinds: just pick your favorite contributor and ship it | 17:03 |
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| lhinds | tmcpeak: will do | 17:03 |
| lhinds | its between tmcpeak and sigmavirus | 17:03 |
| sigmavirus | huh? | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | well that's a no brainer | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | sigmavirus: is way better looking than me | 17:04 |
| lhinds | cage fight? | 17:04 |
| sigmavirus | tmcpeak: lies! | 17:04 |
| sigmavirus | you can probably ignore my nits | 17:04 |
| sigmavirus | I dont' remember even reviewing it | 17:04 |
| sigmavirus | so | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | allright, let's get started | 17:04 |
| lhinds | no worries, I will take look later | 17:04 |
| sigmavirus | clearly I feel strongly ;) | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Kolla Security Review | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kolla Security Review (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:04 | |
| tmcpeak | sdake: you around? | 17:04 |
| sdake | tmcpeak roger | 17:05 |
| dg____ | hey sdake | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | sdake: can you summarize what you mentioned yesterday please? | 17:05 |
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| sdake | hey folks | 17:05 |
| michaelxin_ | hi | 17:05 |
| sdake | sec, obtaining atteention of successor kolla ptl ;) | 17:05 |
| sdake | can we move on and when he jjoins in rediscuss? | 17:06 |
| sdake | hey dg____ | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | sure | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Syntribos | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Syntribos (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:06 | |
| tmcpeak | unrahul: | 17:06 |
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| unrahul | hey guys, so our testing is going on this week as well. | 17:07 |
| unrahul | we have tested Nova last week, and truth to be said, few days to test Nova is not enough.. | 17:07 |
| tmcpeak | saw some cool bugs from you guys | 17:08 |
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| unrahul | This week we are testing both swift and cinder (i know!) , what we are trying to get from the testing.. is basically benchmarking the tool and see if we can write the tests in a better way | 17:08 |
| michaelxin_ | I have pushed them to their limit and given them crazy schedule. Bad on me. | 17:08 |
| unrahul | we got lot of feedback on that front.. | 17:08 |
| michaelxin_ | Next cycle, we will have more time. | 17:08 |
| mdong | I believe ccneill sent out an email to the list about 500 errors that we kept seeing throughout all our testing | 17:08 |
| unrahul | yup.. we got a bunch of 500 errors, then the glance ddos.. hoping to get something from the storage front as well.. | 17:09 |
| * unrahul fingers crossed | 17:09 | |
| browne | cool | 17:09 |
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| unrahul | so thats about it from us, for this week.. mdong ?.. | 17:10 |
| mdong | nah, I don’t have anything else to add | 17:10 |
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| unrahul | thanks tmcpeak , bandit is helping us a lot as well.. in scanning the codebase.. | 17:11 |
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| tkelsey | unrahul: :) good to know | 17:11 |
| unrahul | thats how we found the glance ddos possibility in the first place.. | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | unrahul: awesome! | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | allright, .. | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | #topic OSSN | 17:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OSSN (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:11 | |
| tmcpeak | lhinds: ^ | 17:11 |
| lhinds | k... | 17:11 |
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| lhinds | Four embargo's. Three of which have drafts and need core / vmt +1's. | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | lhinds: sweet | 17:12 |
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| lhinds | The other I start on this week, so hopefully next meeting if no new ones appear, we might have a clean plate | 17:12 |
| dg____ | lhinds ill take a look tomorrow | 17:12 |
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| lhinds | actually dg____ maybe I could assign one to you, its one I have not started on yet> | 17:13 |
| lhinds | Sounds good dg____ ? | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | +1 dg____ loves voluntolding | 17:13 |
| lhinds | ok, I will assign him up | 17:13 |
| dg____ | lol | 17:14 |
| dg____ | I wont have time to write an OSSN until this time next week, got a bunch of security guide stuff in the backlog | 17:14 |
| dg____ | so if its time critical maybe tmcpeak would be a better bet | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | are you the new sicarie? | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | ooooh voluntold deflected | 17:14 |
| lhinds | lets keep it on me, and see how I get on this week | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | yeah assign it to me | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | I'll write one | 17:15 |
| lhinds | tmcpeak: done | 17:15 |
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| lhinds | (or rather; will do) | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | perfect | 17:15 |
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| tmcpeak | #topic Blog | 17:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blog (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:15 | |
| lhinds | I will try and sort out that notes post tonight | 17:16 |
| lhinds | get that out. | 17:16 |
| lhinds | can you do mergies tmcpeak ? | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | bah damn | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | typed all the stuff I meant to say here in #openstack-security | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | I wrote a blog post this week on secure development guidance and Bandit | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | if you're being good children you'll have noticed its announcement on the ML | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | https://openstack-security.github.io/organization/2016/09/26/python-secure-development.html | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | blog posts are easy and a good way to make our work known to the community | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | unrahul: I'd encourage you guys to do a quick one for Syntribos | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | lhinds: I'll mergies but in the future let's just get you access | 17:18 |
| lhinds | sure thing | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | lhinds: so you fixed everything you want to fix? | 17:18 |
| unrahul | from security channel :: agreed tmcpeak !.. we will definitely do a retrospective on the testing and on the tool soon.. | 17:19 |
| lhinds | tmcpeak: not yet, I need to put the correct mailing list details. | 17:19 |
| lhinds | will ping you when I am done | 17:19 |
| lhinds | or email... | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | ok | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Kolla Security Review | 17:19 |
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| tmcpeak | sdake: | 17:19 |
| sdake | tmcpeak so pinged inc0 | 17:20 |
| sdake | he may be at lunch - its lunchtime in texas afaik :) | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | that's ok | 17:20 |
| sdake | so we will have to roll without him | 17:20 |
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| sdake | i'll make sure he is at next meeting | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | ok | 17:21 |
| dg____ | ok great | 17:21 |
| dg____ | where are we at with the security review for Kolla? | 17:21 |
| michaelxin_ | sorry, have been multi-tasking. | 17:21 |
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| tmcpeak | dg____: Kolla has changed (will change?) PTLs | 17:22 |
| sdake | dg____ so we aren't really making progress because we have been heads down in release mode | 17:22 |
| sdake | tmcpeak ptl change happens at election time | 17:22 |
| sdake | and i elected not to run | 17:22 |
| sdake | i intend to stya involved in kolla and also want to drive ta to conclusion | 17:22 |
| dg____ | sdake excellent, glad you still want to be involved | 17:22 |
| sdake | our deadline for 3.0.0 is oct 10th | 17:22 |
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| sdake | which leaves no time for any kind of ta prior to summit | 17:23 |
| sdake | rather oct 12th | 17:23 |
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| sdake | i thought it wuld e hepful to have a refresher on the new process in oone of kolla's wr sessions | 17:23 |
| dg____ | shame, be good to get that in before the summit | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | so it looks like we'll have to do summit or after | 17:23 |
| dg____ | tmcpeak are you going to be in barcelona? | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | indeed | 17:23 |
| sdake | so we know what to do | 17:24 |
| sdake | and after summit finish the job once the new process is well understood by our coresecc team | 17:24 |
| dg____ | sdake that seems like a good plan | 17:24 |
| sdake | atm the process appears in flux - i know you hae a new one - we were working on the old one ;) | 17:24 |
| sdake | so lets work on the new one together | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | our new one is pretty sorted out | 17:24 |
| sdake | nice | 17:24 |
| dg____ | sdake process is semi-finalised, documentation needs sorting out | 17:25 |
| sdake | thats fantastic news, 40 minutes should be enoug ht o communicatte that | 17:25 |
| sdake | we have a slot for vmt at summit | 17:25 |
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| dg____ | tmcpeak are you ok to talk the kolla team through it at the summit? | 17:25 |
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| sdake | rather ta | 17:25 |
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| sdake | well we sort of mix it all together, but its really about ta at this point | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | dg____: you're not coming? | 17:25 |
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| dg____ | tmcpeak magic 8ball says: unlikely | 17:26 |
| sdake | dg____ bummer :( | 17:26 |
| sdake | dg____ fwiw I dont particularly want to travel 8 hours in an airplne | 17:26 |
| dg____ | yeh, I'd like to be there | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | dg____: it's like in your backyard... | 17:27 |
| sdake | but need to be at summit :) | 17:27 |
| dg____ | sdake welcome to my life, we do that flight a _lot_ | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | hitchhike over and tailgate somebody in, sleep on tkelsey's couch, etc | 17:27 |
| dg____ | barcelona is actually pretty easy for us, its like an hour maybe | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | beg for Sushi :P | 17:27 |
| michaelxin_ | nice | 17:27 |
| sdake | dg____ if you neeed a roommate may be able to find you one :) | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | allright, back on topic | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | dg____: can you attend Kolla's weekly with me next week? | 17:28 |
| dg____ | sdake hah thanks | 17:28 |
| sdake | anyway - lets focus on getting inc0 here next wek | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | 1600 UTC Weds | 17:28 |
| dg____ | tmcpeak sure. remind me on weds | 17:28 |
| sdake | sweet | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | ok | 17:28 |
| sdake | i think we eneed to get both of our fearleess leaders together in our meetings :) | 17:28 |
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| tmcpeak | yep | 17:29 |
| sdake | so everyone on kolla side understands its a priority | 17:29 |
| sdake | and security team can coach us through it | 17:29 |
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| tmcpeak | perfect | 17:29 |
| sdake | cool | 17:29 |
| sdake | we need to get this done! | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | yep, for sure | 17:30 |
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| tmcpeak | we'll pick it up again next week | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Barcelona Sessions | 17:30 |
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| tmcpeak | we need moar | 17:30 |
| tmcpeak | looks like we have 2 | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barcelona-security-sessions | 17:31 |
| michaelxin_ | we do not know whether any of us can go yet. | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: was going to say, I'd love a syntribos session | 17:31 |
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| michaelxin_ | I want it too. | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | allright, well that's all I had | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | #topic AOB | 17:32 |
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| michaelxin_ | But no idea whether we can go. | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | anything else to mention? | 17:32 |
| michaelxin_ | I missed majority | 17:32 |
| michaelxin_ | How was the meeting with TC? | 17:32 |
| michaelxin_ | Are we going to stay in big tent? | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: it's fine, we're staying big tent and Rob is our PTL still | 17:32 |
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| michaelxin_ | tmcpeak: Cool. | 17:32 |
| michaelxin_ | Thanks. | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | we're going to work hard to be more integrated with the community and sigmavirus is going to show us the way | 17:33 |
| dg____ | thats awesome news! | 17:33 |
| dg____ | i will go and read the mailing list to celebrate | 17:33 |
| michaelxin_ | in sigmavirus, we trust | 17:33 |
| michaelxin_ | dg____: +2 | 17:34 |
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| tmcpeak | allright well seems like it's that time | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | #endmeeting | 17:34 |
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| tmcpeak | thanks everybody! | 17:34 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 29 17:34:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-09-29-17.00.html | 17:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-09-29-17.00.txt | 17:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-09-29-17.00.log.html | 17:34 |
| michaelxin_ | bye | 17:34 |
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| sdake | tmcpeak inc0 just mae it back from lunch ;) | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | hah | 17:35 |
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| tmcpeak | that's ok, let's pick it up again next week | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | want hyakuhei- to be around | 17:36 |
| inc0 | hello | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | hi inc0 nice to meet you | 17:36 |
| inc0 | tmcpeak, likewise:) | 17:36 |
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| SpamapS | #startmeeting arch_wg | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 29 19:01:36 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SpamapS. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| ttx | o/ | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'arch_wg' | 19:01 |
| jroll | \o | 19:01 |
| SpamapS | Courtesy ping again just in case for nikhil, harlowja, dstanek, kragniz | 19:01 |
| SpamapS | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Arch-WG#Agenda | 19:02 |
| SpamapS | greetings earthlings | 19:02 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 19:02 |
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| SpamapS | Light o/ load today. :) | 19:02 |
| cdent | o/ late | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | 'sok | 19:03 |
| dtroyer_zz | o/ | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | I'm dragging my feet because nikhil had the most interesting previous action items. ;) | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | But let's get started with the other ones | 19:03 |
| SpamapS | #topic previous meeting action items | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 19:03 | |
| SpamapS | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/ | 19:04 |
| SpamapS | * ACTION: SpamapS find an APAC friendly slot in the odd weeks. [carried over] (SpamapS, 19:06:18) | 19:04 |
| SpamapS | I went ahead and submitted a review, and I have a topic slot for this after this, so maybe we can discuss then. | 19:04 |
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| SpamapS | * ACTION: nikhil Create architecture-wg git repository for proposals and general WG documentation. (SpamapS, 19:11:59) | 19:05 |
| SpamapS | nikhil: any chance you're here yet? | 19:05 |
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| SpamapS | We'll come back to that then. | 19:05 |
| SpamapS | #topic alternative meeting times for TZ coverage | 19:06 |
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| SpamapS | #link https://review.openstack.org/379768 | 19:06 |
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| SpamapS | I chose 0100 UTC, as it allows me to attend at least sometimes (it's smack in the middle of family time, but I can keep an eye on IRC then) | 19:07 |
| ttx | who would lead it whn you're not around ? Not me :) | 19:07 |
| SpamapS | I figure none of our APAC friends will be here, so I'm going to send that out to the mailing list for them to know it's there and comment on. | 19:07 |
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| ttx | SpamapS: maybe better to pick a time that you can actually attend ? | 19:08 |
| Rockyg | I could be available. | 19:08 |
| SpamapS | ttx: great question, I'll make sure to suggest that somebody from the APAC region step up to chair. | 19:08 |
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| SpamapS | ttx: there aren't any APAC friendly time slots that are not in family time or horrendously overbooked. | 19:08 |
| ttx | I think having someone that can pass the baton between regions (by attending both) would be useful | 19:08 |
| ttx | SpamapS: Ah, a bit like me and California | 19:08 |
| SpamapS | I intend to pass that baton. Just, hopefully not as chair, but as ACTION acknowledger. | 19:08 |
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| SpamapS | ttx: precisely. We're just too far apart otherwise. | 19:09 |
| Rockyg | ttx, that makes lots of sense. | 19:09 |
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| SpamapS | I see us gaining more participants this way, and really, we don't need everybody to be at every meeting, as long as we're pushing proposals forward and ticking off work items. | 19:10 |
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| dtroyer_zz | SpamapS: is that 0100 UTC on Thursday or Friday? | 19:10 |
| SpamapS | dtroyer_zz: thursday, which means it will be on APAC Friday | 19:10 |
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| SpamapS | in the morning | 19:10 |
| SpamapS | wait no | 19:10 |
| SpamapS | 0100+8/9/10 | 19:10 |
| SpamapS | so yeah, Thursday mornings | 19:11 |
| ttx | SpamapS: time is hard | 19:11 |
| SpamapS | ttx: we should employ interdimensional beings to do this for us | 19:11 |
| ttx | or make Earth flat again | 19:11 |
| Rockyg | so thursday morning utc would be yesterday afternoon fo pst | 19:12 |
| SpamapS | mmmm flatearth | 19:12 |
| SpamapS | #ACTION SpamapS send proposal for APAC friendly time slot to openstack-dev to get feedback from actual APAC dwellers. | 19:13 |
| SpamapS | #action SpamapS send proposal for APAC friendly time slot to openstack-dev to get feedback from actual APAC dwellers. | 19:13 |
| SpamapS | Ok, let's move on | 19:13 |
| ttx | SpamapS: beware it might get directly approved unless you Workflow-1 it | 19:13 |
| SpamapS | ttx: good point | 19:13 |
| * SpamapS does that now | 19:13 | |
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| SpamapS | #topic Proposal Process Review | 19:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Proposal Process Review (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 19:14 | |
| SpamapS | so Nikhil did submit a review to infra for a repo creation, but I haven't checked the status | 19:15 |
| SpamapS | a moment while I dig it up | 19:15 |
| SpamapS | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/375093/ | 19:16 |
| SpamapS | #link https://github.com/komawar/arch-wg | 19:16 |
| SpamapS | Since nobody disagreed with dtroyer_zz's ML post, I assume we're all good with this going forward. :) | 19:17 |
| SpamapS | #action nikhil continue to drive forward repo creation | 19:17 |
| cdent | ✔ | 19:18 |
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| SpamapS | going to skip ahead to a quick topic and then we'll get back to the fun part | 19:18 |
| jroll | ++ | 19:18 |
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| SpamapS | #topic Summit Cross-Project Space Request | 19:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit Cross-Project Space Request (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 19:18 | |
| SpamapS | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-cross-project-sessions | 19:18 |
| ttx | Deadline is Sunday, we'll review the proposals Monday and have the program approved by the TC on Tuesday | 19:19 |
| ttx | So far, not too many, so I'd say we have good chances | 19:19 |
| SpamapS | this is just a reminder that we have made such a request, and anyone interested in having a spot on the schedule in Barcelona for this WG should go there, make sure the proposal is accurate and awesome, and bribe.. err... sweet talk the electorate ;) | 19:19 |
| dtroyer_zz | once that is approved I'll propose adding the etherpad doc | 19:19 |
| * dtroyer_zz is a bit behind | 19:19 | |
| SpamapS | we can all dogpile on that repo creation review btw.. keep it moving forward and alive so it does not languish. :) | 19:20 |
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| SpamapS | ttx: thanks, that's good info | 19:20 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 19:21 |
| ttx | If there were 30 proposals for 12 slots I'd tell you the chances are slim and we'd better meet at the bar | 19:21 |
| SpamapS | #info Deadline is Sunday, TC should have the program approved on Tuesday | 19:21 |
| ttx | But here we have more slots than proposals currently | 19:21 |
| ttx | so unfortunately, no bar | 19:21 |
| SpamapS | I approve a subsequent overflow session at the bar | 19:21 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 19:22 |
| SpamapS | #topic Proposals for work | 19:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Proposals for work (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 19:22 | |
| cdent | I can come up with a few proposals, to force some bar | 19:22 |
| cdent | (and that might even be useful) | 19:22 |
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| SpamapS | So, since we don't have a repo yet, we're still going on our looser "hey I want to talk about this" process | 19:22 |
| SpamapS | I want us to keep momentum forward on that, even though I want us to establish the process ASAP so we don't get too distracted. | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | * Base Services - ttx | 19:23 |
| ttx | Right, so... this one is pretty simple, could be used as a test drive for the process | 19:23 |
| dtroyer_zz | we can use the etherpad for that | 19:23 |
| ttx | It's all about defining the concept of "base services", things that specific services can assume will be present in "OpenStack" installs | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | ttx: we actually had a nice discussion about this last week, but it's getting to the point where we need to define our outputs before we can do much more than chat | 19:23 |
| ttx | Obviously they don't /have to/ use them, but they shouldn't be shy about using them if those can bring extra value/functionality/scale/reliability/security | 19:24 |
| ttx | Currently, that would be Keystone, an oslo.db database, and an oslo.messaging MQ | 19:24 |
| ttx | Happy to submit something once we have a repo | 19:24 |
| ttx | (and a process) | 19:24 |
| SpamapS | So for something like this, I'd like to see a clear statement of where we're at now, and some data about how that's working. | 19:25 |
| SpamapS | And then a hypothesis about where we should go, and estimation of work necessary to achieve it. | 19:25 |
| ttx | SpamapS: yes, I was thinking about mentioning the "too many drivers" trade-off | 19:25 |
| ttx | SpamapS: which you touched on when you starte dthe oslo.messaging spring cleanup | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | I feel like oslo has gotten pretty good at that now. | 19:26 |
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| ttx | Those are elements where less is more | 19:26 |
| SpamapS | AFAICT, the oslo bits in wide use have maybe 2 alternatives from the mainstream driver. | 19:26 |
| ttx | (compared to say, cinder drivers where more is more more | 19:26 |
| ttx | ) | 19:26 |
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| ttx | SpamapS: so yes, the definition is also the occasion to reflect back -- like are those good things | 19:27 |
| SpamapS | Right, driver propagation that allows charging rent on real things ++ driver propagation that allows using operators pet favorites at the expense of complexity of testing matrix -- | 19:27 |
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| ttx | SpamapS: would you be interested in co-authoring ? You have some experience of that question | 19:28 |
| SpamapS | I do, and yes, I'd definitely love to at the very least work as an editor on it. | 19:28 |
| ttx | and since this is a bit historical / definition-oriented, more monkeys, better | 19:28 |
| ttx | #info SpamapS interested in co-authoring base services | 19:29 |
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| * jroll is happy to help review that | 19:29 | |
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| ttx | #info should make sure to reflect back on history, not just describe current state | 19:29 |
| SpamapS | Let's work in an etherpad, and as soon as the repo is available, we can submit as a proposal doc to that. | 19:29 |
| ttx | #action ttx and SpamapS to statr etherpadding thoughts | 19:29 |
| SpamapS | perfect | 19:30 |
| ttx | #info don't forget to mention the drivers trade-off | 19:30 |
| SpamapS | I'd also like to encourage mailing list discussions under the [architecture] tag | 19:30 |
| cdent | ml++ | 19:30 |
| SpamapS | Basically, what I'd like to see happen is we author the initial proposal, and submit as a review to the repo, and then socialize that review, and hopefully get a ML discussion that can be linked to in the documentation we produce. | 19:31 |
| Rockyg | create the etherpad now and link to it here in the meeting? | 19:31 |
| SpamapS | I'm sure people who are too busy to join this WG will want to interject, and the idea is that we give them a place to do that with low barrier, so as we go from "where we are now" to "where should we go?" we have as much context as possible. | 19:31 |
| ttx | on it | 19:31 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arch-wg-base-services | 19:32 |
| Rockyg | Thanks! | 19:32 |
| SpamapS | lovely | 19:32 |
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| jroll | nice | 19:33 |
| ttx | ok, we can move on I think | 19:33 |
| SpamapS | Ok, I think that's a great starting proposal. I've also lost interest in micro servicing OpenStack, and I think it's too tall of an order for us to make real headway on until we've done a few smaller initiatives. | 19:33 |
| SpamapS | so unless somebody else wants to submit that, I'm not going to. | 19:33 |
| cdent | can we at least stop telling lies :) | 19:33 |
| SpamapS | cdent: That's just OpenStack being OpenStack. | 19:34 |
| cdent | (but yeah, agree it is probably too soon to make real headway) | 19:34 |
| SpamapS | cdent: your API WG would definitely be one I'd want to involve heavily in such an effort. | 19:34 |
| SpamapS | Since the whole point is if you have actual good reliable public API's you are 90% of the way to micro-services. | 19:35 |
| * cdent nods | 19:35 | |
| jroll | and if you don't, you need them :D | 19:35 |
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| SpamapS | ttx: one point of interest last week was Barbican. It seemed like there was a lot of real discord about its value. | 19:36 |
| SpamapS | in the context of base services | 19:36 |
| ttx | Right, I don't think we should add it -- I think we should discuss it since it was raised recently | 19:36 |
| cdent | yes, it quickly went off in the weeds | 19:36 |
| ttx | in some ML thread | 19:37 |
| * ttx looks for reference | 19:37 | |
| SpamapS | I think it needs to be mentioned and addressed, even if we say "We want to add that, but right now we don't think there's enough agreement about it to get that done." | 19:37 |
| ttx | So I just wanted our group to look into the two additions that were suggested in the past (DLM, Barbican) and potentially have a recommendation on them | 19:38 |
| jroll | SpamapS: ++ | 19:38 |
| ttx | but that's second order after we define what we mean by base service | 19:38 |
| SpamapS | So, yeah, I think we have plenty to do with base services already. | 19:38 |
| dtroyer_zz | ++ | 19:38 |
| SpamapS | Does anybody else have another effort they'd like to see on our initial set of proposals? | 19:38 |
| cdent | I don't know if this would be initial, but a very popular topic is "fixing rpc/messaging" | 19:39 |
| Rockyg | mine is on the etherpad, but it's more tactical. | 19:39 |
| cdent | since that is as broad as the amazon, I'm not sure we can going anywhere there | 19:39 |
| Rockyg | ++ to fixing rpc | 19:39 |
| Rockyg | We can document th current states | 19:39 |
| dtroyer_zz | cdent: identifying the issues would be useful, if for no other reason that to point to them for everyone new who things we need to takcle that | 19:39 |
| SpamapS | cdent: It's broad from one angle (every project touches) but narrow from another angle (only one library facilitates it) | 19:40 |
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| ttx | there was a good one-email summary of the RPC issues in a recent thread | 19:40 |
| SpamapS | there was indeed | 19:40 |
| jroll | +1 for agreeing on the issues first | 19:40 |
| * cdent nods | 19:40 | |
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| SpamapS | Would somebody like to gather that into a proposal of its own? IT does not have to be super deep, just a summary so we can get it on our radar. Because I also would like to see it addressed. | 19:41 |
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| dtroyer_zz | sure, I'll take that on | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | And I know that I can muster up a couple of developers to attack it if we come up with a solid design. | 19:41 |
| cdent | dtroyer_zz: if you start that on an etherpad, I'd be happy to chase it with you | 19:41 |
| SpamapS | can you make the etherpad link now so we can action it for next meeting? | 19:42 |
| dtroyer_zz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arch-wg-messaging-status | 19:42 |
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| SpamapS | dtroyer_zz: thanks! | 19:43 |
| SpamapS | Anything else? | 19:43 |
| SpamapS | Rockyg: you said "mine are in the etherpad" can you #link that etherpad for posterity | 19:44 |
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| Rockyg | Lemme go find it... from last week... | 19:44 |
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| SpamapS | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arch-wg-draft ? | 19:45 |
| SpamapS | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arch-wg-status-board ? | 19:45 |
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| SpamapS | That's the one | 19:46 |
| SpamapS | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arch-wg-status-board | 19:46 |
| Rockyg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arch-wg-status-board | 19:46 |
| SpamapS | Hah yay | 19:46 |
| SpamapS | double the links | 19:46 |
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| SpamapS | Rockyg: thanks | 19:46 |
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| Rockyg | I'm thinking about a couple more, but need to crystallize them more | 19:46 |
| SpamapS | That's fine, we're going to be overwhelmed with proposals if we have about 1 more. ;) | 19:46 |
| Rockyg | They go to useability but also clarrity | 19:47 |
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| SpamapS | The nice thing is, as we start to get them done, we can start to break them up into smaller chunks and we'll get better at completing things. | 19:47 |
| SpamapS | #topic open discussion | 19:47 |
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| SpamapS | I think for me, we've discussed enough. If there's nothing else to talk about, maybe we end meeting early? | 19:48 |
| ttx | +1 for end "early" | 19:48 |
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| Rockyg | +1 | 19:48 |
| SpamapS | Alright, the ayes have it. | 19:48 |
| dtroyer_zz | ++ | 19:48 |
| cdent | +1 | 19:48 |
| SpamapS | thanks everyone for turning up and continuing to make forward progress! | 19:48 |
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| SpamapS | #endmeeting | 19:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 29 19:49:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/arch_wg.2016-09-29-19.01.html | 19:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/arch_wg.2016-09-29-19.01.txt | 19:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/arch_wg.2016-09-29-19.01.log.html | 19:49 |
| ttx | thanks SpamapS ! | 19:49 |
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| jroll | thank you SpamapS :) | 19:51 |
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| harlowja | sup | 20:15 |
| harlowja | will be in and out, may go get food or something, lol | 20:15 |
| harlowja | oh man that cdent guy is here | 20:15 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:15 |
| harlowja | k | 20:15 |
| harlowja | #action SpamapS make the earth flat | 20:17 |
| harlowja | we love the drivers, lol | 20:19 |
| harlowja | (even tough most people use only 1, lol) | 20:19 |
| harlowja | *even though | 20:19 |
| harlowja | more more more crazy(?) | 20:20 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:20 |
| * harlowja will stop trolling | 20:20 | |
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| harlowja | wfm | 20:20 |
| harlowja | lies? | 20:21 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:21 |
| harlowja | which lies, lol | 20:21 |
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| harlowja | we might want to ensure the defintion of a microservice is well known (and agreed on) just fyi | 20:21 |
| harlowja | honestly i'm in that boat, of what is this going to 'help' accomplish | 20:22 |
| harlowja | hmmm | 20:22 |
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| harlowja | the wider world and its shift to 'k8s' (and what are people seeing there that we are missing and how can we improve to try to mesh correctly with such a thing) | 20:22 |
| harlowja | that may be to broad though (although i think the train is coming for that one, whether we want to admit it or not) | 20:22 |
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