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| IgorYozhikov | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 1 13:04:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is IgorYozhikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:04 |
| IgorYozhikov | #chair IgorYozhikov jpena | 13:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov jpena | 13:04 |
| number80 | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:05 |
| openstack | number80: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 13:05 |
| number80 | arf | 13:05 |
| IgorYozhikov | Let's start with filling up additional questions in agenda - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:05 |
| IgorYozhikov | number80, already started | 13:05 |
| toabctl | hi | 13:06 |
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| IgorYozhikov | Let's start? | 13:09 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic Finish with keystone and mistral, what should be done for it? (We need to gather all required for initial services setup and move further with dev core) | 13:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Finish with keystone and mistral, what should be done for it? (We need to gather all required for initial services setup and move further with dev core) (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:10 | |
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| toabctl | for keystone I commented on the changeset | 13:11 |
| toabctl | also the commit msg is still wrong imo. | 13:12 |
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| toabctl | so should we start packaging already the beta;s available? | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, i c I can switch to 11.0.0.0b1 then | 13:12 |
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| IgorYozhikov | and what about mistral | 13:13 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, cool. then could you directly use the new version variables introduced to renderspec recently? then we see how that works | 13:13 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, not sure if dirk looked into that. he is out today | 13:13 |
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| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, if you are about release - yes, will see | 13:14 |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, I'm talking about http://docs.openstack.org/developer/renderspec/usage.html#handling-the-package-version | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, last recommendation from dirk was BuildRequires: openstack-macros | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | %if 0%{?suse_version} | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | BuildRequires: systemd-rpm-macros | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | %endif | 13:14 |
| toabctl | for mistral? | 13:15 |
| IgorYozhikov | yes | 13:15 |
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| toabctl | yeah. for suse we need theses macros: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Systemd_packaging_guidelines | 13:15 |
| IgorYozhikov | because there are no such calls like %systemd_preun ... | 13:15 |
| toabctl | number80, jpena is there a similar thing for fedora? | 13:16 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I think that openstack-macros should handle this | 13:17 |
| IgorYozhikov | because of different syntax | 13:17 |
| jpena | yes, it makes sense to create compatible macros | 13:17 |
| toabctl | hm. yes. | 13:17 |
| jpena | for fedora we have https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Scriptlets#Scriptlets | 13:18 |
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| IgorYozhikov | jpena, could you add such macro -> openstack-macros? | 13:18 |
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| jpena | IgorYozhikov, ack, I'll give it a try | 13:19 |
| IgorYozhikov | #action jpena is going to work on common systemd/service macro | 13:19 |
| IgorYozhikov | thanx :) that is really needed in further work on dev core | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | #action IgorYozhikov will update keystone to 10.0.0.0b1 | 13:20 |
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| IgorYozhikov | anything else related to topic? | 13:21 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic Last clarification on Xstatics, jpena has concerns about what should be handled (projects only from openstack namespace or all of horizon deps) | 13:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Last clarification on Xstatics, jpena has concerns about what should be handled (projects only from openstack namespace or all of horizon deps) (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:22 | |
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| IgorYozhikov | during last meeting we agreed on xstatics - I mean that we are going to build them | 13:23 |
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| IgorYozhikov | During this week I raise this question, but, I might be missed something, there was no answer | 13:24 |
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| IgorYozhikov | jpena, could you please tell some words about xstatics and openstack namespace | 13:25 |
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| jpena | what I understood was that we'd build every XStatic project that is hosted at github.com/openstack | 13:26 |
| jpena | which means base XStatic (hosted somewhere @ bitbucket) was out | 13:26 |
| toabctl | jpena, that is also my understanding | 13:26 |
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| IgorYozhikov | does it mean that Xstatic should be packaged on per vendor basis and we are not going to built it, right? | 13:27 |
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| jpena | imo yes | 13:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | collecting votes :) | 13:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | I guess that toabctl has the same opinion, no? | 13:29 |
| IgorYozhikov | number80, ^^ | 13:29 |
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| toabctl | yes | 13:29 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok | 13:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | now it's clear | 13:30 |
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| IgorYozhikov | #topic packages reviews (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open ) | 13:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "packages reviews (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open ) (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:31 | |
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| IgorYozhikov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/374277/ | 13:33 |
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| IgorYozhikov | do we have something for collective review? | 13:34 |
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| IgorYozhikov | if no - looks like we are done with agenda | 13:35 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic open floor | 13:35 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I have a question about pymod2pkg | 13:37 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, do you plan to make a new release with latest code? | 13:38 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, I did not checked what changed. do we need a new release? | 13:39 |
| IgorYozhikov | pypi has pymod2pkg 0.6.1 | 13:39 |
| jpena | we need a new release, yes. At least for the XStatic mapping in RDO | 13:39 |
| toabctl | ok. I can trigger on | 13:40 |
| IgorYozhikov | great, thanx | 13:40 |
| toabctl | #action toabctl triggers a new pymod2pkg release | 13:40 |
| IgorYozhikov | we have about 19min to the end, anything else to discuss ? | 13:42 |
| jpena | nothing for me | 13:42 |
| toabctl | number80, can you approve https://review.openstack.org/405384 please? | 13:44 |
| toabctl | nothing from my side | 13:44 |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, did you have a chance to try pocket metal glass? | 13:44 |
| toabctl | ? | 13:44 |
| toabctl | is that related to our meeting? | 13:44 |
| IgorYozhikov | nope :) | 13:45 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'm out of topics | 13:45 |
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| toabctl | let's end the meeting then | 13:45 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, and yes. it works:) thanks again for that! | 13:45 |
| IgorYozhikov | #endmeeting | 13:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 1 13:45:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-12-01-13.04.html | 13:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-12-01-13.04.txt | 13:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-12-01-13.04.log.html | 13:45 |
| IgorYozhikov | yey | 13:45 |
| IgorYozhikov | c u | 13:45 |
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| yangyapeng | #startmeeting freezer | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 1 14:02:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yangyapeng. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:02 |
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| yangyapeng | hello freezer guys | 14:02 |
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| raliev | yangyapeng, hey :) | 14:02 |
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| yangyapeng | hello raliev | 14:03 |
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| yangyapeng | Let's wait for more people to join | 14:03 |
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| yangyapeng | Please add more topic to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:05 |
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| yangyapeng | zhusz1: hello | 14:06 |
| zhusz2 | hello | 14:06 |
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| yangyapeng | zhusz1: I see you have some patches in review :) | 14:07 |
| yangyapeng | zhusz2: if it have some topic to discuss ? | 14:07 |
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| zhusz2 | No topic now. Only some patches need to be reviewed. | 14:08 |
| yangyapeng | OKay, We need more to review these patch :） | 14:09 |
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| yangyapeng | raliev: zhusz2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/372193/ | 14:10 |
| raliev | yangyapeng, could you please review this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397861/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397874/? | 14:10 |
| yangyapeng | ok , I have a patch need to review :) | 14:11 |
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| zhusz2 | yangyapeng, I have reviewed that patch. It's OK for me. | 14:12 |
| yangyapeng | thank you zhusz2 | 14:12 |
| yangyapeng | raliev: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397861/ i have a quickly review. it is ok , Workflow :) | 14:13 |
| raliev | yangyapeng, I already reviewed this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/372193/, lgtm | 14:13 |
| raliev | yangyapeng, thx :) | 14:14 |
| yangyapeng | thank you raliev | 14:14 |
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| zhusz2 | yangyapeng, could you please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400671/? | 14:16 |
| zhusz2 | And https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398101/ | 14:16 |
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| zhusz2 | raliev, could you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402279/? I think it's important. | 14:18 |
| raliev | zhusz2, sure | 14:19 |
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| zhusz2 | Thanks raliev | 14:20 |
| yangyapeng | hi zhusz2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400671/ Can you explain it, about the order, | 14:20 |
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| zhusz2 | column = | 14:22 |
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| yangyapeng | oh oh. | 14:23 |
| raliev | zhusz2, regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402279/, looks good, if it works well - no objections from me | 14:23 |
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| zhusz2 | 'Start Date', 'End Date', 'Interval' | 14:23 |
| yangyapeng | :) | 14:23 |
| zhusz2 | raliev, yes. I have a validation on my local environment | 14:24 |
| raliev | zhusz2, +1 from me :) | 14:24 |
| zhusz2 | OK, thanks | 14:25 |
| raliev | guys, there are two patches with pep8 fixes, please take a look - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404761/ , https://review.openstack.org/#/c/403738/ | 14:26 |
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| slashme_ | Hi guys, sorry I'm late. | 14:30 |
| yangyapeng | hello slashme_ | 14:31 |
| zhusz2 | Hello slashme | 14:31 |
| yangyapeng | we have some peeding review patch | 14:31 |
| raliev | slashme_, hey:) | 14:31 |
| slashme_ | Thx yangyapeng for taking care of the meeting | 14:31 |
| dstepanenko_ | hello slashme_ | 14:31 |
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| yangyapeng | it's my pleasure | 14:32 |
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| yangyapeng | raliev: pep8 patch i have a review. nice | 14:35 |
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| raliev | yangyapeng, that wasn't easy to fix freezer-api code, too many code style problems :) | 14:37 |
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| yangyapeng | yes | 14:39 |
| yangyapeng | bug raliev | 14:39 |
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| yangyapeng | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/hacking/ [H306] Alphabetically order your imports by the full module path | 14:40 |
| yangyapeng | we should have that import alphabetically | 14:40 |
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| raliev | yangyapeng, where it is not done? | 14:41 |
| yangyapeng | eg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404761/2/freezer_api/storage/elastic.py | 14:42 |
| yangyapeng | in freezer-api about unittest and mock. | 14:42 |
| raliev | imports ordered in blocks as in Import order template - http://docs.openstack.org/developer/hacking/#import-order-template | 14:43 |
| raliev | unittest is stdlib, it should be at block#1, mock is third-party | 14:43 |
| dstepanenko_ | yangyapeng, there are 3 blocks of imports here, so libs should be sorted inside their blocks | 14:44 |
| yangyapeng | raliev dstepanenko_ Thanks I made the same mistake ^^ | 14:47 |
| yangyapeng | {{stdlib imports in human alphabetical order}} | 14:47 |
| yangyapeng | \n | 14:47 |
| yangyapeng | {{third-party lib imports in human alphabetical order}} | 14:47 |
| yangyapeng | \n | 14:47 |
| dstepanenko_ | yangyapeng: no problems :) | 14:47 |
| yangyapeng | {{project imports in human alphabetical order}} | 14:47 |
| yangyapeng | \n | 14:47 |
| yangyapeng | \n | 14:47 |
| yangyapeng | {{begin your code}} | 14:47 |
| raliev | yangyapeng, hacking H306 is checked alphabetical order of imports, I can't made a mistake, otherwise pep8 gate check will fail :) | 14:51 |
| raliev | https://github.com/openstack-dev/hacking/blob/master/hacking/checks/imports.py#L80 | 14:51 |
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| yangyapeng | raliev: thanks | 14:53 |
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| dstepanenko_ | guys, could you please also take a look into https://review.openstack.org/#/c/379281/ | 14:56 |
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| yangyapeng | hello guys | 14:59 |
| yangyapeng | if we have more patch to review, please add it to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings. | 14:59 |
| yangyapeng | 1 minutes left | 15:00 |
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| yangyapeng | thanks everyone | 15:00 |
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| * bswartz waves to yangyapeng | 15:00 | |
| yangyapeng | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 1 15:00:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-12-01-14.02.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-12-01-14.02.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-12-01-14.02.log.html | 15:00 |
| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 1 15:01:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:01 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:01 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:01 |
| ganso | hello | 15:01 |
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| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | hmm only 4 people today? | 15:02 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:02 |
| ganso | 5 | 15:02 |
| tbarron | 4.5 | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | that's quorum at least | 15:02 |
| dustins | \o | 15:02 |
| * bswartz wonders if there's a holiday somewhere he doesn't know about | 15:02 | |
| ganso | tbarron: lol who's half a person? | 15:02 |
| vkmc | o/ | 15:03 |
| tbarron | ganso: me | 15:03 |
| vkmc | 6 | 15:03 |
| tbarron | today | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | let's get started though we have a lot to discuss | 15:03 |
| bswartz | no announcements today | 15:03 |
| panatl | o/ | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:03 |
| bswartz | #topic Discussion about driver docs in devref | 15:03 |
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| markstur | hi | 15:04 |
| bswartz | ganso: I think you wanted to cover this 2 weeks ago and we didn't get to it | 15:04 |
| ganso | bswartz: yes | 15:04 |
| ganso | the discussion about this started regarding this: https://review.openstack.org/375647 | 15:04 |
| ganso | several drivers have configuration parameters and instructions in the devref | 15:04 |
| gouthamr | from the incubation days | 15:05 |
| gouthamr | :P | 15:05 |
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| ganso | in the past we had agreed that we could use the devref for this kind of information before moving to openstack-manuals or somewhere else | 15:05 |
| bswartz | so we discussed this in juno IIRC | 15:05 |
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| ganso | bswartz: I recall a more recent discussion | 15:05 |
| bswartz | errr kilo sorry | 15:05 |
| bswartz | it was more than a year ago | 15:06 |
| bswartz | everything was moved to openstack-manuals long ago though | 15:06 |
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| gouthamr | yeah, when we were merging the documenting instuctions for documentation patch | 15:06 |
| bswartz | the cleanup of the devref is what didn't happen | 15:06 |
| ganso | bswartz: that had the argument that we could use this repo to review documents with the manila team, which would be a more technical review | 15:06 |
| bswartz | ganso: what kind of technical review are you looking for of your driver config info? | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | agree, manila team will not review docs from other repo in most cases | 15:07 |
| ganso | bswartz: I am really not looking for much... as most of the information that is there is related to the driver or the vendor | 15:07 |
| bswartz | HDS people would understand the driver best -- I'm not sure the manila team can add much value when it comes to reviewing a driver config reference | 15:07 |
| tbarron | bswartz: ganso vponomaryov that's my only concern, we need to somehow look at those doc reviews | 15:07 |
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| ganso | tbarron: +1 | 15:07 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: +1 | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | I'm still not understanding why we care | 15:08 |
| ganso | I remember having this exact discussion in the past, that we, the manila team, prefer to look at the document, and we could use the devref for that | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | the point of config references for drivers is to be consume by deployers, not develoeprs | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: developers will control technical details | 15:09 |
| tbarron | bswartz: true but won't it come back to us if it's garbage? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | tbarron: I don't see how | 15:09 |
| markstur | part of it is automatically generated from the code. That doesnt' need doc review. Just code review. | 15:09 |
| gouthamr | configuration reference is release versioned.. devref isn't.. i agree we shouldn't merge things in the devref | 15:09 |
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| ganso | I understand that, in the past, the devref was used for your "documentation box" and we would put everything in there, and when we look at it that it should contain only info for developers, not admins, or operators, or users, we actually find out that it contains a lot of stuff not targeted specifically to developers | 15:09 |
| tbarron | bswartz: at least for first party drivers? | 15:10 |
| tbarron | we get questions all the time in channel from people who can't deploy after reading the doc | 15:10 |
| bswartz | tbarron: that's a better point, but we still owe it to end users to document those driers in the proper place | 15:10 |
| bswartz | and if we're going to have documentation in the config ref where it belongs, then why duplicate it in the devref? | 15:10 |
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| tbarron | I agree with that point, duplicating isn't probably the best way to get the config doc correct and reviewed, but removiing the duplication leaves a gap. | 15:11 |
| ganso | bswartz: so the manila team could look at it, I believe that otherwise the doc patch proposed wouldn't have manila review suggestions to improve | 15:11 |
| bswartz | to address the issue of reviews, I think it may be possible (in the future if not today) to actually host portion of the config ref, api ref, etc in our own repo, even though it gets published as part of those guides | 15:12 |
| gouthamr | ganso: why not add "manila-core" to the review/ | 15:12 |
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| ganso | gouthamr: that is an alternative that we could agree to. I am hoping we reach an agreement about this | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | honestly I don't really care what repo it's in, or even who reviews it -- what matters is how it's published and what version control exists | 15:12 |
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| gouthamr | imo, when new users google things and end up in the devref, that would be pretty bad | 15:13 |
| gouthamr | the devref isn't versioned, except on github | 15:13 |
| bswartz | users need to be able to find this stuff where they expect it, and it needs to be properly versioned so as drivers evolve over time correct documentation can exist for every version | 15:13 |
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| tbarron | +1 | 15:14 |
| bswartz | right now the only way to achieve that is to put these docs in the config ref part of openstack manuals | 15:14 |
| bswartz | if we're having problems getting reviews done that's a separate issue we can tackle | 15:14 |
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| ganso | if we are not going to have this kind of documents in the devref, then it should be cleaned up, else it defeats the purpose of the devref and other repos... it will be duplicated and one will be outdated. The way I see, as I have reviewed other driver docs in the devref, no driver doc should be in the devref | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | so I know about the effort to move the source code of the API ref into the various projects | 15:16 |
| ganso | every driver doc that currently is in the devref is usage / configuration instructions | 15:16 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: do you know if a similar movement exists with config refs? | 15:16 |
| bswartz | ganso: I wholeheartedly agree about cleaning up the devref | 15:16 |
| bswartz | ganso: are you volunteering to push a patch? | 15:17 |
| ganso | bswartz: I can push a patch to wipe them out | 15:17 |
| bswartz | ganso: thank you | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: i know they want to move the user guide, not sure about the config ref | 15:17 |
| tbarron | do we know that everything currently in the devref is already in config, user guide, deployment guide, etc? | 15:17 |
| gouthamr | ganso bswartz: can we audit what's there.. maybe some of the instructions have devstack related documentation? | 15:18 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: it makes sense to me to use a plugin architecture for docs | 15:18 |
| vkmc | devref is more for developers to know how to contribute to the project, this seems more close to the configuration ref | 15:18 |
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| ganso | bswartz: but if anybody says anything about "let's not wipe out the ones that not in other refs yet", then we should decide about this now | 15:18 |
| tbarron | ganso: yeah, don't we want to make sure that info isn't just obliterated? | 15:18 |
| bswartz | ganso: what shoudl really be audited is the config ref itself -- if any drivers don't have complete config refs then that's a problem | 15:18 |
| ganso | tbarron, bswartz: that is most likely the case | 15:19 |
| bswartz | deletion of files from the devref doesn't really destroy information -- it's there in the history for people to move it to config ref | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | do we want to retain first party driver information here though? that's mighty helpful for new developers | 15:19 |
| bswartz | tbarron: with git nothing is ever obliterated | 15:19 |
| ganso | gouthamr: shouldn't there be config refs for the first party drivers? | 15:20 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: true, so for third party drivers I guess we can say that it' | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr: the devref should include info on how to setup the first party drivers, and it should refer to the config refs for those drivers where apropriate | 15:20 |
| tbarron | it's vendor responsibility | 15:20 |
| tbarron | to ensure that end users experience doesn't suck | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: +1 | 15:21 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: gouthamr glusterfs, cephfs are really open source community drivers, not vendor drivers | 15:21 |
| ganso | bswartz: referring is ok, hosting in the devref should not be ok | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: yes.. i'd love to see instructions on how to set them up on devstack :) | 15:21 |
| bswartz | the manila community has enough to worry about without adding quality of 3rd party driver documentation to the list | 15:22 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: +1, will work on it | 15:22 |
| bswartz | tbarron: yes for first party drivers the community owns the documentation | 15:22 |
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| gouthamr | tbarron: thank you.. | 15:22 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: it's just like generic, with one more plugin :) | 15:22 |
| bswartz | ganso: sounds like we're all in agreement here about the path forward | 15:22 |
| ganso | bswartz: ok | 15:23 |
| bswartz | can we move on? | 15:23 |
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| ganso | bswartz: will have the patch up today | 15:23 |
| ganso | bswartz: yes | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | ^ chief obliterator | 15:23 |
| ganso | gouthamr: lol | 15:23 |
| bswartz | #agreed driver config ref docs should not be in the devref anymore and will be deleted -- they belong in the config ref | 15:23 |
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| vkmc | +1 | 15:23 |
| bswartz | #topic Specs implementation status | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | #link https://github.com/openstack/manila-specs/tree/master/specs/ocata | 15:24 |
| bswartz | we've got 9 merged specs for ocata (I'll get to the unmerged ones later) | 15:24 |
| bswartz | I'd like to quickly review these and make sure implementation is coming along | 15:24 |
| bswartz | so not everything lands at the last minute | 15:25 |
| bswartz | first up is create-share-from-snapshot-extra-spec | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | cknight: ping | 15:25 |
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| gouthamr | the patch's ready for review | 15:25 |
| cknight | bswartz: pong | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | a dependent patch merged today | 15:25 |
| cknight | bswartz: This one has been ready for a while. | 15:25 |
| bswartz | so we just need 2 reviewers to take a look at this patch and merge it | 15:26 |
| gouthamr | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356682/ | 15:26 |
| bswartz | do I need to create an etherpad to get reviewers to sign u? | 15:26 |
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| cknight | gouthamr: thanks for rebasing it | 15:26 |
| bswartz | s/u/up/ | 15:26 |
| cknight | bswartz: that worked well last time, IMO | 15:26 |
| ganso | cknight, gouthamr: I see some CIs not green on that patch | 15:27 |
| bswartz | cknight I think you mentioned that vponomaryov should be one of the reviewers on this due to his past experience with the feature | 15:27 |
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| cknight | bswartz: ideally, yes | 15:27 |
| bswartz | ganso: are those CIs normally green? | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: don't worry, it is normal situation ) | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | some CIs are just red due to their own issues | 15:28 |
| ganso | bswartz: they have been green in some of the latest patches | 15:28 |
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| vponomaryov | ganco: coincedence | 15:28 |
| bswartz | ganso: it's worth investigated how they failed then | 15:28 |
| bswartz | but like vponomaryov says it's probably just random | 15:28 |
| bswartz | okay next up is manila-share-revert-to-snapshot | 15:28 |
| bswartz | cknight: is this one mergeable too? | 15:28 |
| ganso | bswartz: yes, I do believe it is worth considering the change and the amount of red CIs | 15:28 |
| cknight | ganso: It's possible vendor CIs will need an adjustment | 15:29 |
| cknight | ganso: due to the new extra spec | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | hopefully not | 15:29 |
| tbarron | +1 on the etherpad, focuses the mind | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | if yes, then we messed up something | 15:29 |
| cknight | ganso: but I can't fix that in the patch | 15:29 |
| ganso | cknight: if that is the case, I suppose that should be included in the patch, correct? | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: we should just know what can be affected by patch and what cannot | 15:29 |
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| cknight | ganso: no, vendor CI configs aren't in the patch | 15:29 |
| cknight | ganso: I fixed the 1st party ones in the patch | 15:30 |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ocata-code-review-focus | 15:30 |
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| cknight | bswartz: regarding revert-to-snapshot, it's close, just needs a rebase, but I'd rather focus on create-share-from-snapshot first. | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | +1 | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | okay what about mountable-snapshots | 15:32 |
| bswartz | tpsilva: is the patch for this ready? | 15:32 |
| ganso | bswartz, cknight, vponomaryov: regarding a change breaking third-party CIs, is this going to be ok to break 3rd party CIs for share groups as well? | 15:32 |
| bswartz | ganso: I'm a bit confused why the CI should break | 15:33 |
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| tpsilva | tpsilva: it'll probably be ready next week | 15:33 |
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| tpsilva | bswartz: ^ | 15:33 |
| bswartz | it seems to me that we should be able to make changes without breaking CIs | 15:34 |
| ganso | bswartz: I don't know the reason, but if it does, then it is fair to assume something needs to be done | 15:34 |
| ganso | bswartz: in order to not break the CIs | 15:34 |
| bswartz | if new tests are added they should default to skipping until the 3rd party CI can pass them | 15:34 |
| tpsilva | I'm also testing/reviewing gouthamr/cknight patch | 15:34 |
| bswartz | if existing tests are passing we should not break them | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | i haven't seen any of the huawei folks yet today | 15:35 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu? zhongjun? | 15:36 |
| bswartz | okay next up should be share-groups | 15:37 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: where is the implementation on this? | 15:37 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: where it was | 15:37 |
| bswartz | is part of it ready for review ? | 15:38 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: I haven't uploaded any changes yet | 15:39 |
| bswartz | okay so not ready for review yet | 15:39 |
| bswartz | ocata-migration-improvements | 15:39 |
| ganso | code is almost ready | 15:39 |
| bswartz | ganso: how is this patch coming? | 15:39 |
| ganso | it has got that spec-update thingy we talked about | 15:40 |
| bswartz | ganso: like you expect to be done next week? | 15:40 |
| bswartz | or later | 15:40 |
| ganso | bswartz: yes | 15:40 |
| ganso | bswartz: up to next week | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | stochastic-weighing-scheduler | 15:41 |
| bswartz | ^ this one is me | 15:41 |
| bswartz | I'm going to port the code over from cinder at some point | 15:41 |
| bswartz | it should be a pretty easy copy/paste | 15:41 |
| bswartz | but I consider it a low priority | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | yeah, just strip out taskflow | 15:41 |
| bswartz | :-x | 15:41 |
| * gouthamr kidding | 15:42 | |
| ganso | gouthamr: burn it with fire? | 15:42 |
| bswartz | can anyone speak about the 3 specs from the huawei team? | 15:42 |
| bswartz | add-db-manage-purge add-share-type-filter-to-get-pools support-quota-usage-in-detail | 15:42 |
| gouthamr | ganso: :D i just like the reaction when that's mentioned | 15:43 |
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| tpsilva | and ipv6 as well, right? | 15:43 |
| gouthamr | i've been reviewing those three patches - looks like they're coming along well | 15:43 |
| vponomaryov | tpsilva: ipv6 is not merged | 15:43 |
| tpsilva | vponomaryov: right | 15:44 |
| bswartz | tpsilva: unmerged specs next | 15:44 |
| tpsilva | k | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/manila-specs | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | iirc tommylikehu was looking for some help regarding db-purge | 15:44 |
| bswartz | fix-and-improve-access-rules | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr: this is you | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | we're still reviewing this spec (its high priority/review focus) | 15:45 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: the spec needs reviews. i've been coding in multiple patches | 15:45 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: what about implementation | 15:46 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz: it's coming along - the first patch should be ready for review this week | 15:46 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: it'll probably be 4-5 manageable patches as the spec suggests | 15:46 |
| bswartz | if someone can add the links to the gerrit reviews for the implementation of the merges specs to the etherpad that would be great | 15:46 |
| bswartz | scenario-tests | 15:47 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: I'm guessing the implementation is not ready here? | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: one new scenario is on review | 15:48 |
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| vponomaryov | #link https://review.openstack.org/400758 | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | the plan is to add each test separately? | 15:48 |
| vponomaryov | this one discovered bugs in LVM, Generic and ZFSonLinux drivers | 15:48 |
| tpsilva | is this patch ready? | 15:48 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: yes, fixing bugs they discover | 15:48 |
| vponomaryov | patch ready | 15:48 |
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| vponomaryov | driver fixes not | 15:48 |
| tpsilva | it'll be useful for the mountable snapshots tests | 15:49 |
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| vponomaryov | so, scenario job fails there because of driver bug | 15:49 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: vponomaryov these patches can come in after feature freeze b/c they are tests, right? | 15:50 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: yes | 15:50 |
| bswartz | tbarron: I suppose so, yes | 15:50 |
| tbarron | so an incremental approach makes sense | 15:50 |
| bswartz | just because they have a deadline doesn't mean we should deprioritize them though | 15:50 |
| bswartz | have a different* deadline | 15:50 |
| bswartz | I agree an incremental approach makes sense in any case | 15:50 |
| bswartz | manila-ipv6 | 15:51 |
| tbarron | I like prioriy and continuous improvement | 15:51 |
| tbarron | priority | 15:51 |
| bswartz | again nobody from huawei around to discuss this | 15:51 |
| tbarron | on manila-ipv6 | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | there's feedback on the spec and no updates... | 15:51 |
| tbarron | I think tommylikehu is trying to coordinate irc convo with you | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: I'll look up his email and try to reach him directly | 15:52 |
| bswartz | probably just need to schedule a meeting early in my morning | 15:52 |
| tbarron | bswartz: if I see him (I get up early sometimes) I'll try to facilitate. | 15:52 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I'd really like to get this one done this cycle. | 15:52 |
| bswartz | me too! | 15:52 |
| bswartz | eliminate-race-conditions | 15:53 |
| bswartz | this spec is also not ready | 15:53 |
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| * bswartz sighs | 15:53 | |
| bswartz | and there's no implementation yet | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318336/ | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | ^ this is likely part of that effort | 15:54 |
| gouthamr | and it's ready for review | 15:54 |
| bswartz | oh good point gouthamr | 15:54 |
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| tbarron | can we make incremental progress (adding ING states where appropriate) no matter what? | 15:54 |
| tbarron | I am going to review the tooz patch again too. | 15:54 |
| bswartz | tbarron yes | 15:55 |
| tbarron | bswartz: good, we keep getting into all or nothing in a cycle scenarios | 15:55 |
| bswartz | honestly the tooz work is the most essential, as we discovered in BCN | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | okay that took longer than expected | 15:56 |
| bswartz | I plan to keep revsiting this list of specs each week to drive reviews to the ones that are ready | 15:56 |
| bswartz | it should go faster in the future now that we have an etherpad | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:56 |
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| bswartz | any last things to cover today? | 15:56 |
| ganso | are we having a FPF or are we allowing patches that implement specs to popup at the last day? | 15:57 |
| bswartz | ganso: yes we'll do FPF as always | 15:57 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: you meant to send a deadline email | 15:57 |
| ganso | bswartz: I was confused last time we discussed this. Is it Dec 19th? | 15:57 |
| bswartz | however I imagine exceptions would be easier to grant for stuff that has a merged spec and/or is considered high priority | 15:57 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: I think I did... | 15:58 |
| gouthamr | oh.. probably didn't see it. nvm :) | 15:58 |
| bswartz | it's possible I sent that mail when I was inside the spam blackhole | 15:58 |
| bswartz | long story.... | 15:58 |
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| * tbarron no longer has to look in his spam folder for bswartz :) | 15:59 | |
| bswartz | ganso: https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 15:59 |
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| ganso | bswartz: cool, it has been added to the official schedule | 15:59 |
| ganso | bswartz: Dec 22th then | 16:00 |
| bswartz | yes tbarron I emerged from the spam black hole a few weeks ago thanks to the help of erlon-airlong and a lot of DNS hacking | 16:00 |
| bswartz | ganso: that freeze is for drivers | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | ganso: FPF isn't on that schedule but it should be Jan 9 | 16:01 |
| bswartz | okay we've past our time | 16:01 |
| bswartz | any other questions about deadlines please ping me in the channel | 16:01 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 1 16:01:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-12-01-15.01.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-12-01-15.01.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-12-01-15.01.log.html | 16:01 |
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| ashtokolov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:09 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 1 16:09:59 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ashtokolov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:10 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:10 |
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| ashtokolov | #topic Stuck backports for RabbitMQ tuning: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396686/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396677/ and https://review.openstack.org/403740 (dmitryme) | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck backports for RabbitMQ tuning: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396686/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396677/ and https://review.openstack.org/403740 (dmitryme) (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:10 | |
| ashtokolov | dmitryme: Hi! Are you around? | 16:10 |
| dmitryme | ashtokolov: thank you! Yep, I am here | 16:10 |
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| dmitryme | basically the topic tells it all - I need your folks blessing on a 7.0 and 8.0 change and review in 9.x change | 16:11 |
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| dmitryme | blessing == CR+2, if that is not obvious | 16:11 |
| dmitryme | can somebody do that? | 16:11 |
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| ashtokolov | sbog holser aglarendil adidenko, could you help us with these reviews? | 16:12 |
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| evgenyl | Hi! | 16:14 |
| ashtokolov | dmitryme: I see the +1 from sbog | 16:14 |
| dmitryme | yep, thanks to Stas, but I need one +2 for 7.0 and 8.0 CRs :-) | 16:15 |
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| ashtokolov | dmitryme: I've pinged fuel-library-cores. So let's wait if they are online | 16:17 |
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| holser_ | o/ | 16:19 |
| dmitryme | ashtokolov: sure | 16:20 |
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| ashtokolov | holser_: could you please help us with review for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396686/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396677/ and https://review.openstack.org/403740 | 16:20 |
| holser_ | sure @ashtokolov | 16:21 |
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| ashtokolov | ok let's move on | 16:22 |
| ashtokolov | #topic Open Discussions | 16:22 |
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| ashtokolov | evgenyl: holser_ any updates guys? | 16:22 |
| evgenyl | Is there a way we can land network checker to master? | 16:22 |
| holser_ | I have merged mitaka | 16:22 |
| holser_ | gave +2 to all others | 16:22 |
| ashtokolov | evgenyl: do you have a list of reviews? | 16:24 |
| ashtokolov | holser_: thanks! | 16:24 |
| evgenyl | ashtokolov: Give me a second. | 16:24 |
| holser_ | yw | 16:24 |
| evgenyl | ashtokolov: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/fuel-library+branch:master+topic:bp/graph-concept-extension | 16:25 |
| evgenyl | Here they are. | 16:25 |
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| dmitryme | holser_: thank you! | 16:25 |
| evgenyl | I'm also curious if current master CI (BVT) is in a healthy state, I have multiple OSTF failures? | 16:25 |
| evgenyl | Ok, not master, but stable/newton. | 16:26 |
| ashtokolov | evgenyl: let's rebase them and I'll push the review process | 16:26 |
| ashtokolov | master is ok, we are working on stable/newton | 16:26 |
| evgenyl | ashtokolov: great, thank you! | 16:27 |
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| ashtokolov | any other questions to discuss? | 16:28 |
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| evgenyl | ashtokolov: Can we somehow speed up the fix for this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1643024 ? We don't have a lab, but it can be reproduced by creating 300 fake nodes. | 16:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1643024 in Fuel for OpenStack mitaka "Searilization process in Nailgun locks the database" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Georgy Kibardin (gkibardin) | 16:29 |
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| ashtokolov | evgenyl: gkibardin works on it | 16:31 |
| ashtokolov | evgenyl: could you help to reproduce it or find a RC? | 16:31 |
| ashtokolov | gkibardin are any updates? | 16:32 |
| evgenyl | ashtokolov: It requires a couple days of debugging, unfortunately don't have time to do that right now. I described how it can be reproduced without scale lab. | 16:32 |
| evgenyl | Since it's pure Nailgun problem, no real nodes required. | 16:33 |
| ashtokolov | evgenyl: did you leave comments for the bug? | 16:33 |
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| evgenyl | ashtokolov: Yep, just did it, if there are any questions regarding to this bug, let me know on IRC, I'm more responsive here vs answering in ticket comments. | 16:36 |
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| ashtokolov | gkibardin: do you have any updates about https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1643024 | 16:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1643024 in Fuel for OpenStack mitaka "Searilization process in Nailgun locks the database" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Georgy Kibardin (gkibardin) | 16:36 |
| ashtokolov | ? | 16:36 |
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| gkibardin | Nothing new, I'm going to ping Evgeniy about the env for that | 16:37 |
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| ashtokolov | gkibardin: evgenyl left comments in the bug | 16:37 |
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| ashtokolov | how to reproduce it w/o the the lab | 16:38 |
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| gkibardin | aha, see it | 16:38 |
| gkibardin | I'll try to reproduce it this way | 16:39 |
| evgenyl | gkibardin: Yeah, in case of further questions, just ping me over irc, we were able to reproduce it in 100% cases with 300 nodes, Fuel 9.1 | 16:39 |
| gkibardin | sure, thanks! | 16:40 |
| ashtokolov | ok, great | 16:41 |
| ashtokolov | thank you, guys! | 16:41 |
| ashtokolov | any questions? | 16:41 |
| evgenyl | Not from me. | 16:41 |
| ashtokolov | ok | 16:41 |
| ashtokolov | thanks | 16:42 |
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| evgenyl | Thank you! | 16:42 |
| ashtokolov | so let's close this meeting) | 16:42 |
| gkibardin | ok, thank you, bye! | 16:42 |
| ashtokolov | #endmeeting | 16:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 1 16:42:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-12-01-16.09.html | 16:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-12-01-16.09.txt | 16:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2016/fuel.2016-12-01-16.09.log.html | 16:42 |
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| tmcpeak | ohai | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | #startmeeting security | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 1 17:02:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:02 |
| redrobot | o/ | 17:02 |
| tmcpeak | #chair hyakuhei | 17:02 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | o/ | 17:02 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:02 |
| singlethink | o/ | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | Hey tkelsey this is the right time, right ? :P | 17:02 |
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| tmcpeak | yep | 17:03 |
| tkelsey | i guess lol, some folks seem to be here :) | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | 1700 | 17:03 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Hi tmcpeak singlethink | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks tmcpeak | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | hallo | 17:03 |
| browne | hi | 17:03 |
| singlethink | hi | 17:03 |
| capnoday | sup guys | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | Sup dawg! | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | Question - did anyone see my mail about PTL elections on the ML? | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | I don't think it sent | 17:05 |
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| tmcpeak | nope | 17:05 |
| ccneill | o/ | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | pants | 17:05 |
| browne | no | 17:05 |
| tkelsey | hyakuhei: notes FTW | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Hey ccneill - sorry I missed you earlier in the week | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | tkelsey lol | 17:05 |
| tmcpeak | notes :'( | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Oi, I'll have no Notes bashing here. You should all be so lucky. | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | allright, what we doing today? | 17:06 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Syntribos | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Syntribos (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:06 | |
| tmcpeak | ccneill: | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | sigmavirus are you joining us today? | 17:06 |
| ccneill | I don't know much wrt syntribos | 17:06 |
| knangia | hey tmcpeak unrahul here | 17:06 |
| ccneill | unrahul, knangia ? | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | ^^ :) | 17:07 |
| knangia | so after our design session on redesign of templates | 17:07 |
| knangia | we are now working on the agreed upon design | 17:07 |
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| knangia | ccneill: was also involved in the design, the last design session he was part of :) | 17:08 |
| knangia | We had a few bugs in syntribos as well, that we have fixed and a few we are looking into | 17:08 |
| knangia | thats it from us for this week | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:08 |
| ccneill | link to the notes from our templates discussion: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/syntribos-templates | 17:08 |
| tmcpeak | seems like good progress | 17:08 |
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| ccneill | I think it's gonna ultimately make syntribos muuuch easier to spin up for new projects | 17:09 |
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| lhinds | oh dam | 17:09 |
| ccneill | way less boilerplate | 17:09 |
| lhinds | o/ | 17:09 |
| knangia | +2 | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | ccneill +1 | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | Looks good | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | that would be good, that's the biggest barrier to entry IMO | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | lhinds: just in time | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | #topic OSSN | 17:09 |
| xin9972 | +1 | 17:09 |
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| lhinds | tmcpeak: phew <wipes brow> | 17:09 |
| tmcpeak | by the seat of your pants, what a risk taker | 17:10 |
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| lhinds | OSSN: So we still have the same embargoed notes, so need to do my weekly poke of hyakuhei and tmcpeak | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | lhinds I just poked the Bug tracker re mine | 17:10 |
| capnoday | lhinds please add me to the review and I'll take a look | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | It's waiting for a core from the affected project to review IIRC | 17:10 |
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| lhinds | hyakuhei: ack, will monitor that and make sure they come in. | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | lol, weekly poke | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks | 17:11 |
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| hyakuhei | tmcpeak steady now... | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | :D | 17:11 |
| lhinds | that's really it for now, as per last week I hope to do some work on the API over Christmas | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:11 |
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| tmcpeak | oh yeah, saw your change on the doc | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | good stuff | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Blog | 17:12 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: you do any writeup on LF badge? | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak I did not because I suck | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | and/or do you still want to? | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | lol, fair enough | 17:12 |
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| hyakuhei | Could potentially bash something out tomorrow AM though. | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | Then you can refine it in the PM? | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | Failing that I'll probably write it on the plane. | 17:12 |
| tmcpeak | sure | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | I can do that | 17:13 |
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| lhinds | there is also my OSSN post which we can put out now | 17:13 |
| lhinds | that will fill a gap until the LF badge stuff gets put up | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | ok cool, I'll get you guys the +2w anyway | 17:13 |
| lhinds | hyakuhei thx | 17:13 |
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| tmcpeak | aight | 17:14 |
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| hyakuhei | #action hyakuhei to give tmcpeak and lhinds merge privs on the Blog repo | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | capnoday just dropped and I doubt we have anything else on security review | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | is that a fair statement? | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Almost | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | gr8 | 17:14 |
| lhinds | tmcpeak: there was a guy on the mailing list | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | oh yeah? | 17:14 |
| tmcpeak | with security tag? | 17:15 |
| lhinds | he wants to help with threat reviews | 17:15 |
| lhinds | intern i think. | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | awesome | 17:15 |
| lhinds | I asked him to come on here and help out | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | So upstream we haven't done a bunch but we've been working on the internal process, that we mirror that upstream largely so it's good | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | lhinds excellent | 17:15 |
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| singlethink | hyakuhei: re LF badge, is this notifying other projects about the program? | 17:15 |
| lhinds | he emailed yesterday, so you should see it on the openstack-security mailing list | 17:15 |
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| lhinds | I think its a guy called Bjorn | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | is it with a [security] tag? hope my ML juju isn't failing again | 17:16 |
| lhinds | Björn Stübe | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | lhinds you're "lukehinds" on Github right? | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak +1 didn't land in my inbox | 17:16 |
| lhinds | hyakuhei: yup | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | :'( | 17:16 |
| lhinds | subject: [Openstack-security] Security Audit | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | ahh | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | then at least mailman isn't broken | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | That's the list that we really should have made R/O 2 releases ago | 17:17 |
| lhinds | let me know if you don't have it tmcpeak , I can forward | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | I don't, please do | 17:17 |
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| hyakuhei | I vaguely remember that fungi had some ideas around how to do that ..... <slopes shoulders> | 17:17 |
| lhinds | tmcpeak: in the post | 17:17 |
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| fungi | ahh, yep | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | lhinds you have an invite for write privs. tmcpeak you already had them :) | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | tha powa!!! | 17:18 |
| lhinds | thanks hyakuhei | 17:18 |
| fungi | we just did a similar configuration for the release-announce ml, so shouldn't be hard to repeat | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | fungi what's required for us to cut that over to R/O for everyone apart from a few specific system generated email addresses? | 17:18 |
| lhinds | got it and accepted | 17:18 |
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| tmcpeak | I'm not even subscribed to that old one anymore | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | Cool, what do I need to do fungi ? | 17:18 |
| fungi | set the list to moderate and reject posts by default, and then add a whitelist entry for the addresses you want to be able to continue to post to it that bypass moderation | 17:19 |
| fungi | probably shouldn't waste meeting time walking you through it--have time immediately after? | 17:19 |
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| hyakuhei | +1 on later, though predicatbly I don't have a bunch of time right now, can we sync by email? | 17:20 |
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| tmcpeak | cool | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | you guys all good to skip security guide? | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | with the exception of lhinds thoughtful addition I don't think there's much going on | 17:21 |
| lhinds | tmcpeak: quick one | 17:21 |
| lhinds | reviews please: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404139/ | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Security Guide | 17:21 |
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| hyakuhei | sicarie was supposed to be able to continue on with that but I don't know if that's still the case. | 17:21 |
| lhinds | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404139/ | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | I <3 this already | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, dunno | 17:22 |
| lhinds | its a round up of new horizon goodies adopted from django | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: can you mergies that ^ | 17:22 |
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| hyakuhei | doneth | 17:22 |
| lhinds | thx | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | sweet | 17:23 |
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| tmcpeak | #topic MD5 | 17:23 |
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| tmcpeak | ok so there was some discussion of this on ML, but… I don't think we got anywhere definitive | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | as we thought migration seems to be insurmountable | 17:24 |
| lhinds | tmcpeak: yep, I need to revist this. I plan to do an audit at least. | 17:24 |
| lhinds | so I wanted to ask what medium I should use? Etherpad or patch? | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | The main point is that i's extremely hard to change for existing deployments. | 17:24 |
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| tmcpeak | yeah | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | I think the best that could ever be achieved would be to have a flag that allows you to toggle at install time | 17:25 |
| lhinds | I found a python patch which I am going to look at possible getting landed | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | lhinds: you file that bug too? | 17:25 |
| lhinds | you can pass `usedforsecurity = False` in hashlib.md5() | 17:25 |
| lhinds | tmcpeak: I read that a bit more, and was going to chat with you again. | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | ok cool | 17:26 |
| lhinds | just mad busy | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | yeah sames | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | let's catch up next week | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | ok | 17:26 |
| lhinds | will do. I will start dumping down a plan in etherpad, and we can mull it over next week | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | #topic Working like OpenStack | 17:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Working like OpenStack (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:26 | |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: is this you? | 17:26 |
| * hyakuhei nods | 17:27 | |
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| hyakuhei | We're on a short release cycle this time around | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | and it would be good to ensure that all our code projects are behaving like OpenStack code projects. | 17:27 |
| ccneill | i.e. formal release process with the cycles? | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | but tbh I don't really know what the requirements are | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | does that mean we cant push new versions of Bandit in between? | 17:28 |
| ccneill | hmm.. I won't speak for the syntribos team since I'm only a minor component at this point, but I don't think it's ready for strict versioning yet | 17:28 |
| ccneill | it's not on 1.0 yet, which is when that would be more appropriate imio | 17:28 |
| ccneill | imo* | 17:28 |
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| tmcpeak | I don't know what we gain from release cycles in Bandit either | 17:29 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak: +1 | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | I think there's a noop / stable thing that can be done | 17:29 |
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| ccneill | I don't think it would be *bad* to release a version at cycle completion | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, there's the milestone stuff too, though I'm not sure how that changes as we migrate away from LP | 17:30 |
| ccneill | oh crap, I didn't know we were migrating away from LP lol | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | we are? lol | 17:31 |
| * tkelsey feels out of the loop | 17:31 | |
| * ccneill too | 17:31 | |
| ccneill | spoiler alert! :P | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:31 |
| tkelsey | lol | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg25443.html | 17:32 |
| ccneill | oh hmm | 17:33 |
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| ccneill | I'm definitely not subscribed to the launchpad mailing list o_O | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | yeah me neither | 17:33 |
| ccneill | or at least, I don't think I have ever affirmatively chosen to be - maybe I am.. | 17:33 |
| ccneill | rofl +1 the link to this gif in that first email https://i.imgur.com/MQUmmqo.gif | 17:33 |
| tmcpeak | hey all, I've got to roll out | 17:33 |
| tkelsey | heh seeds of confusion sown | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: can you finish this up? | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | lhinds: ? | 17:34 |
| browne | tmcpeak: any way we can get a new bandit release push up? | 17:34 |
| browne | pushed | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | #chair lhinds | 17:34 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei lhinds tmcpeak | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | hehe that's completely the wrong one. | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | browne: sure, we just did one a couple weeks ago | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | we ready for a new one? | 17:35 |
| tkelsey | browne: I can help with that | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: is the pusher man | 17:35 |
| tkelsey | lol | 17:35 |
| browne | yep, i'd like one with the stdin stuff | 17:35 |
| browne | thanks tkelsey | 17:35 |
| tkelsey | sure no probs | 17:35 |
| browne | also anchor woefully needs review attention. currently openstack bot is blocked | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | Thread title is "Migration from Launchpad" but I cant find it in the archives | 17:35 |
| tkelsey | browne: I can also help with that, though I think I have reviewed most stuff in the pipe already | 17:36 |
| tkelsey | need a second for +W etc | 17:37 |
| browne | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393019/ | 17:37 |
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| tkelsey | browne: ah right OK | 17:38 |
| * tkelsey looks | 17:38 | |
| hyakuhei | bonk | 17:38 |
| browne | thx | 17:38 |
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| hyakuhei | I looked previously but it was when my MFA broke and one I fixed that it had dropped off my radar. | 17:39 |
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| tkelsey | browne: +2/+w'd | 17:41 |
| browne | thx | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | #topic AOB | 17:42 |
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| tmcpeak | anything else? | 17:42 |
| ccneill | <random> if y'all haven't seen this, pretty cool: http://seiferteric.com/?p=356 </random> | 17:43 |
| browne | btw, i'm working on a sublime bandit linter | 17:43 |
| browne | https://github.com/ericwb/SublimeLinter-contrib-bandit | 17:43 |
| ccneill | IP over QR codes | 17:43 |
| tkelsey | browne: oh nice | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | browne: awesome! | 17:43 |
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| ccneill | whoa nice! | 17:43 |
| browne | yeah, think it'll be useful | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | browne that's epic :) | 17:43 |
| ccneill | browne: when is the vim version coming? O:-) | 17:43 |
| browne | ccneill: ha! i'd love to see that | 17:44 |
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| ccneill | maybe I'll have to look into it.. | 17:44 |
| tkelsey | :D | 17:44 |
| ccneill | I can definitely see a lot of value there | 17:44 |
| lhinds | emacs4life | 17:45 |
| ccneill | boooooo :P | 17:45 |
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| tmcpeak | allright I'm wrapping this before we have a holy war | 17:45 |
| ccneill | haha | 17:45 |
| ccneill | +1 | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | #endmeeting | 17:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 1 17:46:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:46 |
| tmcpeak | thanks everybody! | 17:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-12-01-17.02.html | 17:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-12-01-17.02.txt | 17:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-12-01-17.02.log.html | 17:46 |
| lhinds | cheers all | 17:46 |
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| ccneill | o/ laterz | 17:46 |
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| hyakuhei | TY all! | 17:46 |
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| singlethink | hyakuhei: re LF badge, is this notifying other projects about the program? | 17:47 |
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| hyakuhei | More just following on from the press releases during the last summit, seems like something we should put in our blog | 17:47 |
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| singlethink | ack | 17:48 |
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| SpamapS | #startmeeting arch_wg | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 1 20:01:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SpamapS. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'arch_wg' | 20:01 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 20:01 |
| harlowja | sup | 20:01 |
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| ttx | hola | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | Courtesy pings for nikhil, harlowja, dstanek, kragniz, auggy, rockyg, rocky_g, kgiusti -- Arch-WG Meeting has begun. | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Arch-WG#Agenda | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | #topic previous meeting action items | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:02 | |
| SpamapS | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/ | 20:02 |
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| SpamapS | Also welcome! :) | 20:02 |
| harlowja | welcome | 20:03 |
| harlowja | your welcome | 20:03 |
| Rockyg | well, come on in | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | Real quick.. I haven't been able to do much for Arch-WG.. holidays.. family stuff.. I hope to get back to it now that those things are through.. until 2 weeks from now, when the next round of holidays happen ;) | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | So, to the actions: | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | * SpamapS email proposed arch-wg repo process to openstack-dev | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | Just didn't do it. | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | #action SpamapS email proposed arch-wg repo process to openstack-dev | 20:04 |
| SpamapS | carrying forward | 20:04 |
| SpamapS | * SpamapS submit base services etherpad contents to arch-wg repo upon its creation. | 20:04 |
| SpamapS | So, I didn't really finish creating the repo until about 5 minutes ago when I approved this change: | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399201/1 | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | so, now that we have a structure (yay!) we can send out the process and get the base services thing merged. | 20:05 |
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| Rockyg | yay! | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | #action SpamapS submit base services etherpad contents to arch-wg repo upon its creation. | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | so, carried | 20:05 |
| ttx | standing by to review/iterate on when the etherpad will be posted | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | and the other one is a follow up to that | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | #action SpamapS add ttx to review for base services | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | #topic Proposal Process Review | 20:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Proposal Process Review (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:07 | |
| SpamapS | I haven't sent out the write-up yet, so this is hard. | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | I don't think we should really talk about it until that is sent out (really sorry.. this is going so.. slow..) | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | Is anybody worried we're not getting more done? I feel like it's about 1% of my focus the last few weeks, so I think it's normal. But I want to make sure we're not just being bureaucrats. | 20:08 |
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| ttx | anything we could take from you ? You seem to be on the critical path everywhere | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | ttx: if you want to submit the base services proposal.. that would be great. | 20:08 |
| Rockyg | ttx, ++ | 20:08 |
| ttx | I'll take that | 20:08 |
| * harlowja needs to be a better bureaucrat | 20:09 | |
| harlowja | lol | 20:09 |
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| SpamapS | I'm also taking it slow because I'm very wary of this turning into a bureaucracy just by the nature that if we grow it fast, it'll be hard to shrink or change. | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | #action ttx to actually submit base services etherpad contents to arch-wg repo | 20:09 |
| Rockyg | hey, I feel your pain. Log wg is moribund, but someone wants to kick it back to active. Even arranging a handoff is hard... | 20:09 |
| ttx | SpamapS: the archwg repo is up and running right | 20:10 |
| SpamapS | ttx: it is! clone https://git.openstack.org/openstack/arch-wg | 20:10 |
| ttx | cool | 20:10 |
| SpamapS | #link https://git.openstack.org/openstack/arch-wg | 20:10 |
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| SpamapS | ttx: We can worry about formatting of proposals later. Just having a block of text in there will let us get some editting done and then lay out the work. | 20:11 |
| ttx | ack | 20:11 |
| SpamapS | So, process wise, I think we're doing ok. Now, on to the proposals we don't have many of... | 20:11 |
| SpamapS | #topic Proposals for work | 20:12 |
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| SpamapS | So we already covered base services. I also note that we haven't had many people add any yet, because I think we're still being a bit pedantic about having a process. | 20:12 |
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| SpamapS | I spoke with John Dickinson a few weeks ago about Swift and the Arch-WG. He was happy to hear about the Arch-WG, and felt that Swift might have some ideas for bringing a few of the ways they do things to the rest of OpenStack (such as being a microservice architecture inside Swift). | 20:13 |
| Rockyg | link to etherpad, please? | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | gah, I've lost the link | 20:14 |
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| SpamapS | let me find it in older meeting minutes | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arch-wg-status-board | 20:14 |
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| SpamapS | Rockyg: thanks for reminding me.. I forgot we even had it. | 20:14 |
| pranav | hello | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | Do we want to discuss any of those right now? | 20:16 |
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| SpamapS | Or maybe here's another approach. | 20:16 |
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| SpamapS | Does anybody see anything in there they'd like to write up and submit to the repo for discussion here? | 20:17 |
| Rockyg | well, Nikhil doesn't seem to be around, otherwise glance stuff would be god. Oaktree also has highlighted a bit of glance work needs | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | Indeed, Oaktree is somethign I'd love to get on our radar. | 20:17 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 20:17 |
| Rockyg | I'm sure mordred would love it, too. | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | While it is mostly relevant to the API-WG, it definitely highlights things about what's under the API's too. | 20:18 |
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| Rockyg | Eliminating implementation bleedthrough is a biggy for us. | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | Right, I think that actually goes into micro services. | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | If we were to eliminate implementation details in the APIs, it makes it easier to isolate the services from eachother. | 20:19 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | I stand by the fact that the interface between nova-compute and everything else is _very_ poorly defined and rife with implementation bleedthrough. | 20:19 |
| mordred | I'm behind in getting more into oaktree such that it can be helpful here - but definitely on my list | 20:19 |
| mordred | SpamapS: +100000 | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | #action SpamapS write up nova-compute rant as a proposal to arch-wg repo | 20:20 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:20 |
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| Rockyg | oh, cool! | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | In manyw ways, every line of code in Shade is classified as either API simplification, or implementation obfuscation. | 20:21 |
| harlowja | every line??? | 20:22 |
| mordred | even the blank ones | 20:22 |
| harlowja | nice nice | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | So, it might make sense for a group of us who like making implementations better to address those implementation bleedthroughs in each API, so we can start changing the implementations. | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | the blank ones are obfuscating THE MOST | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | But I've got too much to do, so not going to submit a proposal for arch-wg to document all implementation bleed through | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | I wonder if API-WG is trying to do that at all. | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | It seems like a worthwhile backlog to create and throw people at fixing. | 20:23 |
| Rockyg | It's also a great way to get senior devs who are n00bies coding for openstack | 20:24 |
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| Rockyg | don't think the api-wg is doing that... | 20:24 |
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| SpamapS | Yeah me neither. | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | Rockyg: did you want to take a stab at a paragraph or two to make a hypothesis about implementation bleedthrough in API's? I think it might be somethign we could send out to openstack-dev and get some more cross-project folks interested in contributing on. | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | Otherwise, I think we'll move on. | 20:26 |
| Rockyg | Hmm. Thats' agood idea... I'll throw some stuff into an etherpad and ask for comments/changes. | 20:27 |
| Rockyg | action item me... | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | #action Rockyg to write up implementation bleed-through thoughts and submit to arch-wg repo | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | Rockyg: ^5 | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | #topic Open Discussion | 20:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:28 | |
| ttx | FYI there are a significant number of people who selected ArchWG room as a place they would spend time on at the PTG (mostly people who come for the 2nd part of the week and are not working in a specific horizontal team -- so I expect that day we plan to have there to be well-attended | 20:28 |
| SpamapS | ttx: oh, perhaps I should register and book travel then. ;) | 20:28 |
| ttx | no comment | 20:28 |
| SpamapS | ;) | 20:28 |
| SpamapS | I was planning to anyway.. my main focus is on Zuul dev at the moment, and there is a lot to do there. | 20:29 |
| clarkb | re bleed through I have been putting thoughts on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-user-api-improvements much of which is related to bleed through of implementation details through the api | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-user-api-improvements | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: sweet | 20:29 |
| Rockyg | Cool. Thanks. I'll peruse that for help. | 20:29 |
| SpamapS | Even if all we do is document all of those places.. and submit them as bugs to be addressed in the next major rev of API, that seems a useful exercise. | 20:30 |
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| Rockyg | Maybe we submit that to the repo and iterate on that, too, clarkb? | 20:31 |
| clarkb | the repo? | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: openstack/arch-wg | 20:31 |
| Rockyg | Some might end up as BPs, too. | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: just the place we're using to keep track of what we're doing and docs we produce. | 20:31 |
| clarkb | oh sure, this was mostly me rambling thoughts based on using openstack for the last 4 years | 20:31 |
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| clarkb | fine by me if it finds a better home | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | that's exactly the sort of thing we need as supporting background for work to propose we all collaborate on. | 20:32 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 20:32 |
| SpamapS | Get some supporting info.. make a hypothesis.. design a data collection strategy, and then once data is collected, check hypothesis, and create a plan of action to affect change. | 20:32 |
| SpamapS | it's science yo. ;) | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | With that, I think we can end. | 20:33 |
| ttx | + | 20:34 |
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| SpamapS | Reminder that next week is the APAC friendly timeslot, so those in APAC please do join us. Otherwise see you in 2 weeks. | 20:34 |
| SpamapS | #endmeeting | 20:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:34 | |
| SpamapS | ty! | 20:34 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 1 20:34:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/arch_wg.2016-12-01-20.01.html | 20:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/arch_wg.2016-12-01-20.01.txt | 20:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/arch_wg.2016-12-01-20.01.log.html | 20:34 |
| ttx | SpamapS: thx! | 20:34 |
| Rockyg | cool. Do we have a reminder ping for the apac folks? | 20:34 |
| Rockyg | and thanks! | 20:34 |
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| loquacities | docs meeting starting here in 5 mins | 20:55 |
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| AJaeger | 3 ;) | 20:57 |
| loquacities | lol | 20:58 |
| loquacities | hi AJaeger :) | 20:58 |
| AJaeger | morning, loquacities | 20:58 |
| ianychoi | Good morning, loquacities ! | 20:58 |
| ianychoi | Good evening, AJaeger | 20:58 |
| loquacities | good morning ianychoi :) | 20:58 |
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| loquacities | thanks for getting up early! | 20:58 |
| AJaeger | hi ianychoi ! | 20:59 |
| ianychoi | you too :) early time | 20:59 |
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| bsilverman_ | Afternoon here | 20:59 |
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| loquacities | ok, let's kick this off ... | 21:00 |
| loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 1 21:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 21:00 |
| loquacities | rollcall! | 21:00 |
| ianychoi | :) | 21:00 |
| AJaeger | go for it ;) | 21:00 |
| JRobinson__ | Good morning o/ | 21:00 |
| ianychoi | Hello! | 21:00 |
| loquacities | hi JRobinson__ | 21:00 |
| bmoss | o/ | 21:00 |
| iphutch | Hello!! | 21:00 |
| darrenc | o/ | 21:00 |
| cathrichardson | o/ | 21:00 |
| bsilverman | o/ | 21:00 |
| skelso | Good morning/evening all. | 21:01 |
| loquacities | wow, nice turnout today :) | 21:01 |
| loquacities | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:01 | |
| loquacities | the only one was this one, for JRobinson__ | 21:02 |
| loquacities | Send out another User Guides update email, with current | 21:02 |
| loquacities | conversion task list. | 21:02 |
| loquacities | i believe you did that, yeah? | 21:02 |
| JRobinson__ | Yes, I sent out a summary of User Guide legacy commands changes in the past two weeks. | 21:02 |
| loquacities | sweet | 21:02 |
| JRobinson__ | I've had some decent responses | 21:02 |
| loquacities | #topic Specs in review | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs in review (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:02 | |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 21:03 |
| JRobinson__ | Thanks to contributors working on the legacy command conversions and keeping the table up to date :) | 21:03 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/403674/ | 21:03 |
| loquacities | Update content to using Latex from rst2pdf | 21:03 |
| loquacities | so this one is about the PDF generation | 21:03 |
| ianychoi | Yep initially I wanted to use rst2pdf, but now I would like to change to use latex | 21:03 |
| loquacities | the LaTeX seems to work better | 21:04 |
| * AJaeger just gave +2 | 21:04 | |
| AJaeger | Shall I +A? | 21:04 |
| loquacities | ah, cool! | 21:04 |
| loquacities | yes, i think we can +A | 21:04 |
| ianychoi | Thanks! | 21:04 |
| loquacities | great :) | 21:05 |
| AJaeger | on my way... | 21:05 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391786/ Proposed use case form | 21:05 |
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| loquacities | this is about creating a form for ops to provide feedback | 21:05 |
| loquacities | darrenc: can you speak to this one, in shaun's absence? | 21:06 |
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| AJaeger | I really think that this is overkill - and we should try other means first. | 21:06 |
| darrenc | can you suggest what other means? | 21:06 |
| loquacities | i thought we were going to do a google form | 21:07 |
| AJaeger | darrenc: anything that is lowtech to set up and see what kind of feedback we get. | 21:07 |
| loquacities | and there's no primary assignee, which bothers me | 21:07 |
| loquacities | +1 to what AJaeger said | 21:07 |
| AJaeger | Did anybody evaluate storyboard? | 21:07 |
| JRobinson__ | We could also use a github uxchecklist similar to this one: | 21:08 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://github.com/uxchecklist/uxchecklist.github.io/blob/master/index.html | 21:08 |
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| AJaeger | Let's collect feedback coming in in free form first and see what we get - and then decide how to structure it. | 21:08 |
| AJaeger | But setting up a web server first thing without knowing what we need is IMHO overkill. | 21:08 |
| loquacities | AJaeger: is he suggesting to use storyboard? | 21:08 |
| * AJaeger is suggesting to check storyboard.openstack.org - the upcoming tracker | 21:09 | |
| loquacities | oh, right | 21:09 |
| loquacities | i haven't investigated that yet, but been following the conversation | 21:09 |
| * AJaeger would also be fine with just a launchpad bug report - or a simple email at first | 21:09 | |
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| loquacities | ok, i think we need to convince shaun to just roll with a basic means of collecting the data before we do this | 21:10 |
| loquacities | shall i -2? | 21:10 |
| AJaeger | But it's not clear about what amount and kind we talk about. | 21:10 |
| AJaeger | I'm happy with a -2 - was considering adding one myself... | 21:10 |
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| loquacities | ok, one sec | 21:10 |
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| loquacities | done | 21:11 |
| loquacities | ok, let's move on to speciality teams | 21:11 |
| loquacities | #topic Speciality teams reports: | 21:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Speciality teams reports: (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:11 | |
| loquacities | API: Anne Gentle | 21:11 |
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| loquacities | i have anne's here | 21:12 |
| loquacities | The App Dev Support WG is working on a survey to determine which content areas to invest in for content on http://www.openstack.org/appdev. | 21:12 |
| loquacities | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2016-November/001469.html | 21:12 |
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| loquacities | Configuration Reference and CLI Reference: Tomoyuki Kato | 21:12 |
| loquacities | i also have kato's report | 21:12 |
| loquacities | CLI Reference: We try to recreating the single page view for the "openstack" command. I'd like to generate the reference from source code automatically. However, python-openstackclient has many plug-ins. It is difficulty, but worth to tackle it. We need your help! | 21:12 |
| loquacities | any questions or feedback so far? | 21:13 |
| loquacities | ok, moving on | 21:13 |
| loquacities | High Availability Guide: Andrew Beekhof | 21:13 |
| loquacities | i don't have a report from andrew, but i know that asettle has been doing a lot of work on this guide recently | 21:14 |
| loquacities | cleaning up, and raising bugs for some of the TODO items | 21:14 |
| AJaeger | asettle is going over the HA Guide, has one large patch out and raised bugs! | 21:14 |
| loquacities | might be a good opportunity for someone to jump in :) | 21:14 |
| AJaeger | overall, I'm wondering whether we really should admit that HA guide is so special that it does not fly and give up ;( | 21:15 |
| loquacities | Hypervisor Tuning Guide: Joe Topjian | 21:15 |
| loquacities | AJaeger: i've been thinking that for some time | 21:15 |
| loquacities | but i guess this is a good way to find out | 21:15 |
| loquacities | i don't have a report for the hypervisor guide, any update on that book? | 21:15 |
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| loquacities | ok | 21:15 |
| loquacities | Installation guides: Lana Brindley | 21:15 |
| loquacities | so i finally heard back from foundation on design resources yesterday | 21:16 |
| loquacities | i'm going to reply to that email today and hopefully start drafting the new design next week | 21:16 |
| darrenc | great! | 21:16 |
| loquacities | anyone who wants to be involved with that, please contact me | 21:16 |
| loquacities | i've also got piet from the UX team on board to help | 21:16 |
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| loquacities | Networking Guide: John Davidge | 21:17 |
| loquacities | does anyone have an update on networking? | 21:17 |
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| loquacities | ok | 21:17 |
| loquacities | Operations and Architecture Design guides: Shilla Saebi | 21:17 |
| loquacities | darrenc: can you speak to this? | 21:17 |
| darrenc | sure | 21:17 |
| darrenc | For the arch guide, patches for networking and compute content were merged | 21:17 |
| darrenc | thanks to Ben and Shaun | 21:18 |
| loquacities | yay! | 21:18 |
| darrenc | For the Ops Guide, there is patch up to update the upgrades chapter and include the project upgrade notes | 21:18 |
| darrenc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404528/ | 21:18 |
| darrenc | actually link to the notes | 21:19 |
| darrenc | that's it from me | 21:19 |
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| loquacities | cool, thanks darrenc | 21:19 |
| loquacities | any questions on ops stuff? | 21:19 |
| darrenc | bsilverman: anything to add? | 21:19 |
| loquacities | ok, let's move on | 21:20 |
| loquacities | Security Guide: Nathaniel Dillon | 21:20 |
| bsilverman | darrenc: Nope thanks. | 21:20 |
| loquacities | i don't think i saw nathaniel, does anyone have a comment on the security guide? | 21:20 |
| loquacities | ok | 21:21 |
| loquacities | Training Guides: Matjaz Pancur | 21:21 |
| loquacities | i have matjaz's report | 21:21 |
| loquacities | BCN Upstream training article in the Superuser magazine: http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/openstack-upstream-training-revamp/ - actively looking for contributors to join the Upstream training, please see http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-November/009382.html - cleaned test entries in the Launchpad bug queue and the Sandbox repository (left from the Barcelona Upstream training) - updated Training guides’ R | 21:21 |
| loquacities | EADME.rst | 21:21 |
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| loquacities | Training labs: Pranav Salunke, Roger Luethi | 21:21 |
| loquacities | pranav or roger here? | 21:21 |
| loquacities | doesn't look like it | 21:22 |
| loquacities | ok, last but not least: | 21:22 |
| loquacities | User guides: Joseph Robinson | 21:22 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: go! | 21:22 |
| JRobinson__ | The legacy command conversion continues at a good pace. I have some more updates to patch today. | 21:22 |
| JRobinson__ | The only obstacle I have run into is generating new output to match the OpenStack command client. | 21:23 |
| JRobinson__ | Otherwise, contributors have been adding to the table, and there's been steady patching completed. | 21:23 |
| loquacities | nice | 21:23 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ReorganizeUserGuides | 21:23 |
| darrenc | JRobinson__: I can help with the outputs if you like | 21:23 |
| JRobinson__ | ^just a reminder to update the table if making a change. | 21:23 |
| JRobinson__ | darrenc, that would be awesome :) | 21:23 |
| loquacities | looks like you're making good progress | 21:24 |
| darrenc | cool, just let me know what you need | 21:24 |
| loquacities | ok, that's it for speciality teams | 21:24 |
| ianychoi | :) | 21:24 |
| loquacities | #topic Countdown to release: | 21:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Countdown to release: (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:24 | |
| loquacities | #info 82 days to go! | 21:24 |
| loquacities | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OcataDeliverables | 21:24 |
| loquacities | #info Ocata release managers: Mariia & Brian | 21:25 |
| loquacities | any questions on release? | 21:25 |
| loquacities | #topic PTG Atlanta Feb 20-24 2017 | 21:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG Atlanta Feb 20-24 2017 (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:25 | |
| loquacities | #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg Event info | 21:25 |
| loquacities | #link https://pikeptg.eventbrite.com/ Tickets | 21:25 |
| loquacities | if you haven't bought your tickets yet, you should probably get on that | 21:26 |
| loquacities | #info Docs is on Monday/Tuesday | 21:26 |
| ianychoi | For PTG, who will be the main contact person in Docs team? :) | 21:26 |
| loquacities | the incoming Pike PTL ;) | 21:26 |
| loquacities | which is a lovely segue ... | 21:26 |
| AJaeger | ianychoi: so step up, get elected and you'll be it ;) | 21:26 |
| ianychoi | Yey~ | 21:26 |
| loquacities | #topic Pike PTL | 21:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pike PTL (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:26 | |
| loquacities | #info So far, Alex and Kato have expressed interest. | 21:27 |
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| loquacities | i will be working with them over the next few months to make sure they understand what the role involves | 21:27 |
| loquacities | and there's still time for people to put their hand up | 21:27 |
| AJaeger | thanks, loquacities ! And glad to see those two considering it! | 21:27 |
| ianychoi | Actually, i18n team did not request rooms for PTG, because it seems that only me will go for PTG. So I would like to ask: whether i18n team will join with Docs team in PTG or not | 21:27 |
| loquacities | if you don't want to put your hand up in public, that's ok, too | 21:27 |
| loquacities | ianychoi: i'm sure that's possible | 21:27 |
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| loquacities | i'm not sure how the planning will go for this just yet, but i imagine there can be an i18n session | 21:28 |
| loquacities | in the docs track | 21:28 |
| ianychoi | loquacities, nice! Then can I discuss it with Foundation? | 21:28 |
| loquacities | sure | 21:28 |
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| ianychoi | Thanks a lot. I will initiate such conversation :) | 21:29 |
| loquacities | i will be available to assist the incoming PTL with this, but i won't be attending the PTG itself | 21:29 |
| loquacities | just FYI | 21:29 |
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| loquacities | ok, and one last item ... | 21:29 |
| loquacities | #topic Docs logo | 21:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Docs logo (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:29 | |
| loquacities | #link https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx6I9fOZiP0HR3NOMnlIOW5CY1k/view?usp=sharing | 21:30 |
| loquacities | i've also sent an email to the docs list with the imagee attached | 21:30 |
| loquacities | image* | 21:30 |
| JRobinson__ | Is that Docs Fox? | 21:30 |
| loquacities | yup | 21:30 |
| iphutch | Will it be colored? | 21:30 |
| loquacities | #info Foundation is seeking feedback on the logo | 21:30 |
| loquacities | #link http://www.tinyurl.com/OSmascot | 21:30 |
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| ianychoi | Other team's logos are also drafts. Feedback would be so important I think | 21:30 |
| loquacities | iphutch: yep, this is the b&w version | 21:31 |
| bmoss | it looks a bit odd to me at the moment. Hopefully color will help. | 21:31 |
| ianychoi | Which color would be the best? :) | 21:31 |
| loquacities | i thought the tail was a bit odd, personally | 21:31 |
| loquacities | ianychoi: red! :) | 21:31 |
| bsilverman | looks like it has a goiter in its neck | 21:31 |
| loquacities | lol | 21:31 |
| JRobinson__ | Their neck ruff could use a little line work, yes. | 21:31 |
| loquacities | yeah, that too ;) | 21:31 |
| bmoss | yeah, the neck is weird | 21:32 |
| bsilverman | :) | 21:32 |
| ianychoi | Red fox will look nice! | 21:32 |
| loquacities | well, put all that in the form :) | 21:32 |
| bsilverman | What does the fox say? | 21:32 |
| loquacities | lol | 21:32 |
| loquacities | oddly, for docs, nothing at all :P | 21:32 |
| bsilverman | Sorry, reference to 2013 meme | 21:32 |
| bmoss | but it says it with appropriate Oxford commas | 21:32 |
| loquacities | LOL | 21:32 |
| loquacities | #topic Open discussion | 21:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:33 | |
| loquacities | anything else? | 21:33 |
| ianychoi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18n-translation-status-documentation | 21:33 |
| ianychoi | This is i18n team's documentation translation progress. | 21:33 |
| ianychoi | I have checked about 10 days ago | 21:33 |
| loquacities | go KO! | 21:34 |
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| JRobinson__ | I have one small admin guide patch that's been hanging about. | 21:34 |
| ianychoi | loquacities, :) | 21:34 |
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| bsilverman | I have to wonder about the HA guide. | 21:34 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: link? | 21:35 |
| bsilverman | Is it covered in other sections, or could it be. | 21:35 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390726/ | 21:35 |
| JRobinson__ | This one is on inbound traffic speed conversion | 21:35 |
| loquacities | AJaeger might be able to confirm, but i think the HA guide used to be part of the user guides, and got split out at some point? | 21:35 |
| JRobinson__ | I consulted OpenStack devs on the Rackspace team, and then sent a message out to the dev-openstack mailing list. | 21:35 |
| JRobinson__ | Conversion is a tricky issue, I gathered. | 21:36 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: ah, somehow that one has passed me by, i'll check it out | 21:36 |
| JRobinson__ | Because there was no response to the dev-openstack mail, I moved the bug to wishlist | 21:36 |
| loquacities | might be worth closing it WONTFIX | 21:36 |
| JRobinson__ | I might abandon the change if there is no strong opinions going forward. | 21:37 |
| JRobinson__ | ^are | 21:37 |
| loquacities | or INCOMPLETE | 21:37 |
| loquacities | yeah, good plan | 21:37 |
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| JRobinson__ | okay, yes and change the bug to wontfix | 21:37 |
| AJaeger | loquacities: HA has been around for some time, was separate repository and we moved it into openstack-manuals. But it has very few contributors and several tries to revive it | 21:37 |
| bsilverman | HA is an architecture topic as well as a project topic and could also be an ops topic. This is why I am asking. | 21:37 |
| loquacities | AJaeger: ah, ok | 21:37 |
| loquacities | bsilverman: do you think it could be folded into the ops guide? | 21:38 |
| AJaeger | JRobinson__: Let me comment ... | 21:38 |
| JRobinson__ | AJaeger, no problem. | 21:38 |
| JRobinson__ | I'm not rushing to close it. | 21:38 |
| bsilverman | loquacities: Only parts of it would make sense, the ones that speak to operating the cloud that has HA components. | 21:38 |
| loquacities | ok, let's start a discussion on the mailing list about this | 21:39 |
| loquacities | and then we can discuss at the next meeting | 21:39 |
| bsilverman | loquacities: but, someone needs to talk about stateful and stateless services as well as network HA. | 21:39 |
| bsilverman | loquacities: and that leads to architecture discussions. | 21:39 |
| loquacities | right | 21:39 |
| loquacities | ok, i have another meeting i need to get to, any other issues? | 21:40 |
| loquacities | ok, thanks everyone :) | 21:40 |
| ianychoi | Thank you all! | 21:40 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 21:41 |
| bsilverman | np, later! | 21:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 1 21:41:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-12-01-21.00.html | 21:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-12-01-21.00.txt | 21:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-12-01-21.00.log.html | 21:41 |
| JRobinson__ | o/ thanks all :) | 21:41 |
| darrenc | thanks everyone | 21:41 |
| bsilverman | o/ | 21:41 |
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| AJaeger | JRobinson_afk: reviewed - please continue wit hthe change ;) | 21:45 |
| * AJaeger waves good night | 21:45 | |
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| iphutch | thx | 21:46 |
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