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| number80 | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 8 13:03:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is number80. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:03 |
| number80 | agenda's here | 13:03 |
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| number80 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:03 |
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| number80 | nobody? | 13:06 |
| dirk | o/ | 13:07 |
| number80 | #chair dirk | 13:07 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dirk number80 | 13:07 |
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| number80 | let's wait few more minutes or I'll just review our current review queue | 13:07 |
| dirk | toabctl is also here but I keep him busy :) | 13:08 |
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| number80 | np | 13:09 |
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| number80 | any controversies you want us to look at? | 13:10 |
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| number80 | ok, closing meeting in 2 min :) | 13:12 |
| toabctl | the renderspec version thing | 13:13 |
| number80 | ok | 13:13 |
| toabctl | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407102/ | 13:13 |
| toabctl | I wonder if you really want to throw away everything after the 3rd digit | 13:13 |
| dirk | number80: I added potential topcs to the meeting agenda | 13:13 |
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| number80 | #action number80 focus on renderspec reviews | 13:13 |
| number80 | ok | 13:13 |
| toabctl | number80, is that what fedora wants to have? | 13:13 |
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| number80 | toabctl: it's close, yes | 13:14 |
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| number80 | #topic PTG planning | 13:14 |
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| number80 | We are likely to have a representative from RDO team there, anyone else? | 13:15 |
| dirk | so I have seen that we have a room | 13:15 |
| dirk | for monday-tuesday and I booked a flight | 13:15 |
| number80 | Yes | 13:15 |
| number80 | goood | 13:15 |
| toabctl | I'm pretty sure that I'll be there | 13:15 |
| dirk | but I'll not stay a whole week | 13:15 |
| dirk | number80: so you're not going? | 13:16 |
| dirk | I haven't seen any response from travel support yet though :/ | 13:16 |
| number80 | I have been designated, but I have yet to get final decision | 13:16 |
| dirk | ok, so I guess then it would start to make sense to think about planning those two days | 13:17 |
| toabctl | dirk, travel support will answer at 16th dec | 13:17 |
| number80 | Yes | 13:17 |
| dirk | would be cool to get some more progress, on e.g. upstream building or improved gating | 13:17 |
| number80 | ack for both | 13:17 |
| dirk | do we want to create an etherpad or the like for collecting topics? | 13:18 |
| toabctl | dirk, yes | 13:18 |
| dirk | also don't forget to hand in t-shirt sizes :) | 13:18 |
| dirk | for our absolutely rocking packaging donkey shirt | 13:18 |
| toabctl | oh. where? | 13:18 |
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| toabctl | ah. the registration? | 13:18 |
| number80 | dirk: for now, I'm adding suggestion on meeting etherpad | 13:18 |
| number80 | Yes | 13:18 |
| dirk | toabctl: I think its via the registration. I didn't process that part yet, I just read about it somewhere | 13:19 |
| * dirk still has troubles finding a hotel though | 13:19 | |
| kaslcrof | sorry folks, can I have some recommendation about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401200/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401260/? | 13:20 |
| number80 | ack | 13:21 |
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| dirk | number80: whats the link to meeting etherpad? | 13:21 |
| toabctl | kaslcrof, the topic is on the agenda | 13:21 |
| dirk | kaslcrof: its the "xstatic packaging" meeting point on the agenda | 13:22 |
| dirk | kaslcrof: agenda is here: | 13:22 |
| dirk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:22 |
| dirk | number80: ah, I see you added it to the normal etherpad | 13:22 |
| number80 | yes | 13:23 |
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| kaslcrof | SUSE CI need wheels, but centos tests ignore this field in setup.py and passes..What can I do to make it pass? | 13:23 |
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| toabctl | hm. I wonder why upstream has wheel in the requirements | 13:25 |
| kaslcrof | sorry, I say >><number80> ok, closing meeting in 2 min :) and decided to ask earlier | 13:25 |
| kaslcrof | *saw | 13:25 |
| number80 | ah right | 13:26 |
| number80 | next topic | 13:26 |
| number80 | #topic xstatic packaging | 13:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "xstatic packaging (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:26 | |
| dirk | kaslcrof: I'm not sure this is related to wheels | 13:27 |
| dirk | kaslcrof: you'r enot failing on build but on a suse specific packaging check | 13:27 |
| dirk | kaslcrof: this is about the Requires: py2pack('XStatic') that I wanted to get removed in an earlier incarnation of that patch | 13:27 |
| dirk | but maybe my request to remove it isn't correct | 13:28 |
| dirk | I wanted to reseearch that before this meeting but was in other meetings all day so far and had no second of spare time :/ | 13:28 |
| dirk | currently I think if the Rrequires: would be added back then build would pass for SUSE CI | 13:28 |
| dirk | but I darkly remember that there were file conflicts (multiple packages owning the same file) afterwards and that caused other issues | 13:29 |
| dirk | but maybe I misremember that | 13:29 |
| kaslcrof | dirk, i will check it now | 13:30 |
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| dirk | kaslcrof: just add the Requires back, and we'll get an answer from suse ci before the end of this meeting :) | 13:30 |
| dirk | so in general, it seems the Requires on XStatic is in the MOS packages | 13:31 |
| dirk | number80: how is the situation for RDO? do the XStatic-foo packages runtime-require XStatic? | 13:31 |
| number80 | no, since it's broken we don't | 13:31 |
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| dirk | number80: do you remember what is broken? I also darkly remember there were problems but I don't recall them | 13:33 |
| * number80 trying to remember | 13:34 | |
| number80 | https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/xstatic/issues/2/cannot-build-a-new-xstatic-package-with | 13:35 |
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| number80 | I think it's related to that issue (still unsolved) | 13:35 |
| number80 | Actually, I was wrong we have python-XStatic as Requires but not BuildRequires | 13:36 |
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| number80 | next topic? | 13:40 |
| number80 | #topic systemd macros | 13:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "systemd macros (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:40 | |
| toabctl | hm. jpena|off is not here | 13:42 |
| toabctl | I think the idea was to just use the macros from upstream instead of the ones suse introduced | 13:42 |
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| number80 | yep, that's what we already do | 13:42 |
| toabctl | dirk, are the upstream macros available in our CI now? | 13:42 |
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| dirk | toabctl: I think yes, didn't confirm yet | 13:43 |
| dirk | toabctl: lets assume yes if not I'll fix it | 13:43 |
| toabctl | ok.then we can abandon https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407026/ | 13:44 |
| dirk | number80: ok, so we agree to have XStatic in requires? can we record that as agreed? | 13:44 |
| dirk | number80: then I can go revisit my -1's and we can finally get the swoop of xstatics done | 13:44 |
| dirk | toabctl: imho yes. I wanted to refresh the keystone or mistral review iwth the new macros | 13:45 |
| toabctl | I can do that now | 13:45 |
| dirk | what? abandon or refresh the review? | 13:45 |
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| toabctl | refresh keystone review | 13:46 |
| number80 | dirk: yes | 13:46 |
| number80 | #agreed have XStatic as Requires in XStatic packages | 13:46 |
| toabctl | let's also agree on using the upstream systemd macros | 13:48 |
| kaslcrof | sorry, but why we should add Xstatic as Requires? | 13:48 |
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| number80 | ok | 13:49 |
| number80 | kaslcrof: some directories are owned by base package | 13:49 |
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| dirk | kaslcrof: all Xstatic-$foo packages should runtime-require python-XStatic | 13:50 |
| dirk | kaslcrof: to track ownership of directories. thats what the suse ci is complaining about | 13:50 |
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| number80 | It's correct, only BR is breaking | 13:51 |
| number80 | R works fine | 13:52 |
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| dirk | next topic? | 13:54 |
| toabctl | dirk, keystone does not use any systemd macros so there is no need for a refresh | 13:54 |
| toabctl | yes | 13:54 |
| number80 | yep | 13:55 |
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| number80 | let's skip RDO gate as jpena is not here | 13:55 |
| number80 | #topic pending reviews | 13:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pending reviews (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:55 | |
| number80 | packages reviews (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/rpm-packaging+status:open ) | 13:56 |
| number80 | pymod2pkg reviews (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/pymod2pkg+status:open ) | 13:56 |
| number80 | renderspec reviews (https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/renderspec+status:open ) | 13:56 |
| toabctl | number80, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406901/ could be merged imo | 13:56 |
| toabctl | also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407808/ | 13:56 |
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| number80 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406464/1 <- merged | 13:57 |
| number80 | ack | 13:57 |
| toabctl | IgorYozhikov wanted to discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408371/ | 13:57 |
| number80 | Yep | 13:57 |
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| toabctl | but imo we should just accept it (with a normal review). nothing special there I thinkj | 13:57 |
| number80 | Yep, maybe I have some nitpicks about some comestic changes | 13:58 |
| toabctl | there is no reason to not map package names for ubuntu if they need that | 13:58 |
| toabctl | number80, yes | 13:58 |
| number80 | pymod2pkg, so such changes are acceptable by definition :) | 13:58 |
| toabctl | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406465/ could be merged | 13:59 |
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| number80 | agreed | 14:00 |
| number80 | any other controversies before we close themeeting? | 14:00 |
| toabctl | not from my side | 14:01 |
| number80 | okay, then thanks for attending and see you next week! | 14:03 |
| number80 | #endmeeting | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 8 14:03:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:03 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-12-08-13.03.html | 14:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-12-08-13.03.txt | 14:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-12-08-13.03.log.html | 14:03 |
| yangyapeng | slashme_: :) | 14:04 |
| slashme_ | #startmeeting freezer | 14:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 8 14:05:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slashme_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:05 |
| slashme_ | Hello everyone :) | 14:06 |
| yangyapeng | hello slashme_ | 14:06 |
| zhusz1 | hello everyone :) | 14:06 |
| yangyapeng | \o | 14:06 |
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| raliev | hi everyone :) | 14:06 |
| dstepanenko | hi | 14:06 |
| neilus_ | hi everyone | 14:06 |
| szaher | hello slashme | 14:07 |
| szaher | hello slashme_ | 14:07 |
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| slashme_ | As usual, meeting notes and agenda are available here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:08 |
| slashme_ | #topic oslo.db | 14:08 |
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| slashme_ | Thank you neilus_ for drafting the spec. | 14:09 |
| slashme_ | If everyone could have a look at it, it would be great : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408014/ | 14:09 |
| neilus_ | my pleasure | 14:09 |
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| raliev | I've already put my comment to spec | 14:12 |
| raliev | And one more thing | 14:12 |
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| raliev | neilus_, slashme_ regarding Clients structure, I think that we could get smth ideas from here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/freezer/+spec/better-client-id | 14:13 |
| neilus_ | thx, raliev | 14:13 |
| slashme_ | Yes, exactly what I was commenting on the bp | 14:14 |
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| raliev | I've thought about it, and I have one proposal | 14:14 |
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| raliev | I think there is need to add field where we could put kind of 'fingerprint' of host | 14:15 |
| raliev | for identifying particular client | 14:15 |
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| raliev | and not to store uuid in config | 14:15 |
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| raliev | I mean this point from bp - '- Once generated, store the id in the freezer-scheduler config file (I think this is the right one).' | 14:16 |
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| slashme_ | Let's take a usecase: | 14:16 |
| slashme_ | You have a VM1 running freezer-scheduler | 14:17 |
| slashme_ | At start an uuid is generated | 14:17 |
| slashme_ | Your VM dies | 14:17 |
| slashme_ | So you start a VM2 | 14:17 |
| slashme_ | You install the scheduler on it and then retrieve the old uuid and start the scheduler (No uuid will be generated as you are prtoviding it) | 14:18 |
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| slashme_ | Your VM2 is then considered VM1 by the API, which is what you want in this case | 14:19 |
| slashme_ | If you use a fingerpring, they will be different | 14:19 |
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| raliev | yep, you're right | 14:19 |
| raliev | but in this case I think we should add field 'State' for client | 14:19 |
| slashme_ | What would be the values ? | 14:20 |
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| raliev | smth like 'active', 'down' maybe | 14:21 |
| raliev | because client may be registered, but then stopped | 14:22 |
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| raliev | and it's is not able to perform actions | 14:22 |
| slashme_ | Why not, but I think you could guess that from the 'last_poll_date' field | 14:22 |
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| raliev | yep, but this will be more obvious for the end user, I think | 14:24 |
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| raliev | user wants to perform some action on node where scheduler is stopped, we could notify him that performing action is unavailable now | 14:25 |
| raliev | or remove stopped client from list when add client to the job | 14:26 |
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| slashme_ | I agree. But how would this field be modified then ? We define a policy in the freezer-api configuration like 'consider_client_down_after' ? | 14:26 |
| raliev | we can do two things: | 14:27 |
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| raliev | 1. when 'freezer-scheduler stop' executed, we can send update to API | 14:28 |
| raliev | 2. define heartbeat for scheduler. if last_poll_date is old, then make in down | 14:29 |
| slashme_ | I think 2 is better. | 14:29 |
| slashme_ | Because number 1 only deals with intentional stop. | 14:29 |
| slashme_ | What about the vm crash, has no network access, freezer-scheduler stops because of an exception, ... | 14:30 |
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| raliev | yep, in this cases heartbeat more preferred than only update | 14:30 |
| slashme_ | We don't really need a heartbeat, as the schedulers already query the API regularly to check for new jobs. This could work as our heartbeat | 14:31 |
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| raliev | yeah, poll jobs | 14:32 |
| slashme_ | I guess we could even only keep the last_poll_date in the database, and have the python-freezerclient compute the status from it everytime it queries for a client. | 14:33 |
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| raliev | sounds good | 14:34 |
| raliev | we only need to implement that is API, when client polls jobs then update last_poll_date | 14:35 |
| raliev | in API* | 14:35 |
| slashme_ | Yes | 14:35 |
| slashme_ | Okay. Next topic ? | 14:35 |
| slashme_ | #topic release python-freezerclient | 14:36 |
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| raliev | version 2.0.0? | 14:36 |
| slashme_ | Hmm, I need to figure out the version number. | 14:37 |
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| slashme_ | What patch do we want to include before I release ? | 14:37 |
| slashme_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/405579/ | 14:37 |
| slashme_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402170/ | 14:37 |
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| raliev | yep | 14:39 |
| zhusz1 | yes | 14:39 |
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| slashme_ | Okay. Once these are merged I request the release | 14:41 |
| slashme_ | #topic pending reviews. | 14:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pending reviews. (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:41 | |
| raliev | And I'll try to check all features soon | 14:41 |
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| raliev | in freezerclient | 14:42 |
| slashme_ | Good :) | 14:43 |
| slashme_ | I updated the pending review here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:44 |
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| slashme_ | Let's try to get all these merged as soon as possible. Ocata-2 milestone is comming next week, which means release for all freezer components | 14:45 |
| slashme_ | #topic All the rest | 14:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "All the rest (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:45 | |
| slashme_ | Anything you want to discuss ? | 14:45 |
| raliev | nothing from me :) | 14:46 |
| szaher | thanks | 14:46 |
| zhusz1 | May I pick some BP to do from the bp list? | 14:47 |
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| slashme_ | Yes. No problem. | 14:47 |
| zhusz1 | :) | 14:47 |
| slashme_ | Some might be outdated though. | 14:47 |
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| slashme_ | I'll try to do some cleanup at some point | 14:47 |
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| zhusz1 | Is is possible that use oslo.db in the freezer-agent also? | 14:49 |
| slashme_ | In order to do what ? | 14:50 |
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| zhusz1 | I want to backup the all database to use oslo.db. Is It possible? | 14:50 |
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| neilus_ | you mean for backing up relational db-s? | 14:52 |
| zhusz1 | yes | 14:52 |
| slashme_ | Well, If you plan on doing SQL backups (generating SQL files). Then I think it makes sense. | 14:52 |
| slashme_ | At the moment, freezer takes filesystem backups for Mysql. This is faster. | 14:52 |
| slashme_ | I guess it would be nice to propose multiple solutions. | 14:52 |
| neilus_ | I'm afraid oslo and sqlalchemy is not meant for that | 14:53 |
| slashme_ | https://www.percona.com/blog/2006/08/21/using-lvm-for-mysql-backup-and-replication-setup/ | 14:53 |
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| zhusz1 | neilus, yes. | 14:53 |
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| neilus_ | I believe that we might not want to create a universal agent to sync the db-s in general what we have | 14:54 |
| slashme_ | neilus_: oslo does not support some kind of SQLdump action ? | 14:54 |
| neilus_ | maybe sqlalchemys migration toolkit/api | 14:54 |
| neilus_ | but i'm not sure | 14:54 |
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| neilus_ | but personally i don't find this a good idea... | 14:55 |
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| neilus_ | it would be overcomplicated in my opinion | 14:55 |
| slashme_ | I agree it seems a bit too much dependancies to add to freezer-agent | 14:56 |
| neilus_ | but i can be wrong tough | 14:56 |
| neilus_ | and rdbms-s usually have their own backup toolchain and strategies... | 14:57 |
| zhusz1 | neilus, yes, you're right. | 14:57 |
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| neilus_ | we should stick with vendor recommendations as plugins in the agent i think | 14:57 |
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| zhusz1 | Good idea | 14:57 |
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| zhusz1 | Maybe we can do a db engine. | 14:58 |
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| zhusz1 | It's time to end | 14:59 |
| slashme_ | Okay. We are running out of time. We can continue any remaining discussions in #openstack-freezer. | 14:59 |
| slashme_ | Thank your for joining this week's meeting :-) | 14:59 |
| zhusz1 | Thanks | 14:59 |
| slashme_ | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 8 15:00:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-12-08-14.05.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-12-08-14.05.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-12-08-14.05.log.html | 15:00 |
| neilus_ | bye guys | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 8 15:00:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| tommylikehu_ | hello | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| dustins | \o | 15:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:01 |
| markstur | hi | 15:01 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:01 |
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| vponomaryov | hello | 15:01 |
| bswartz | cknight xyang1: courtesy ping | 15:01 |
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| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
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| ravichandran | hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | okay we have a packed agenda today so I won't waste time | 15:02 |
| * gouthamr looks at agenda, clears desk. | 15:02 | |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
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| bswartz | Ocata-2 is next week! | 15:02 |
| tommylikehu_ | :( | 15:02 |
| bswartz | yeah time is flying by | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | not much we can do but try to focus on priorities | 15:03 |
| bswartz | Ocata-2 is the merge deadline for high priority specs | 15:03 |
| bswartz | and also we hope to see significant progress on implementation for high priority specs by then | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | also, Monday is the new driver proposal deadline | 15:04 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: 12/19? | 15:04 |
| ganso | bswartz: monday dec 19th, correct? | 15:04 |
| * bswartz looks confused | 15:04 | |
| bswartz | did I get the date wrong? | 15:04 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: yes, it is 12/19 on the wiki | 15:04 |
| ganso | bswartz: this next monday is dec 12th | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | you're right! | 15:05 |
| bswartz | sorry, driver proposal freeze is 2 mondays away | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | 12/19 is the correct date | 15:05 |
| bswartz | #topic PTG | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:05 | |
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| bswartz | so I need a show of hands for who has registered for the PTG and plans to come | 15:06 |
| xyang1 | I have registered for it | 15:06 |
| cknight | bswartz: I registered. | 15:06 |
| markstur | registered and requested | 15:06 |
| bswartz | I'm pretty sure we won't get any time/space in Boston, so Atlanta is all we'll get for Pike | 15:06 |
| ganso | bswartz: I am waiting for travel support response | 15:06 |
| vponomaryov | not registered | 15:06 |
| dustins | bswartz: I've registered | 15:06 |
| bswartz | ganso? mkoderer? | 15:07 |
| tbarron | I registerd, plan to come | 15:07 |
| ganso | bswartz: ^ | 15:07 |
| bswartz | oh missed your reply | 15:07 |
| bswartz | anyone definitely not able to come? | 15:07 |
| tommylikehu_ | zhongjun | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | wait, when will it be? | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | concrete dates? | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: R+0 | 15:08 |
| bswartz | Feb 20-24 | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | ok | 15:08 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: you should register -- we'll talk later | 15:09 |
| vponomaryov | sure | 15:09 |
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| ganso | bswartz: register = pay the entry ticket, correct? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | for those of you who may/may not come, tickets are limited so try to get that decision made soon | 15:09 |
| bswartz | and if you think it's likely just go ahead and get a ticket, they're only $100 | 15:10 |
| markstur | tickets are $100 but I think it says they are refundable (not sure how to un-reimburse) | 15:10 |
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| tbarron | I will be standing outside selling them for $300 if you register late | 15:11 |
| bswartz | tbarron: heh | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | #topic Default share type | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Default share type (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:11 | |
| tommylikehu_ | lol | 15:11 |
| bswartz | tbarron: You're up | 15:11 |
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| tbarron | now that we have customers we discovered that people deploying manila don't always do what devstack does - in particular | 15:11 |
| tbarron | one can deploy manila without defining an default share type in manila.conf | 15:11 |
| tbarron | if one is willing to have users always specify a share type when they create shares | 15:11 |
| tbarron | this doesn't sit well with manila traditionalits :) | 15:11 |
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| tbarron | traditionalists | 15:12 |
| bswartz | this issue goes back to the time when we decided to add DHSS extra spec and make it non-optional | 15:12 |
| tbarron | so do we want to somehow insist that a default share type always be defined? | 15:12 |
| gouthamr | the install guide asks for you to create one as part of the installation | 15:12 |
| bswartz | because the value MUST be set to true or false there must exist a share type | 15:12 |
| bswartz | actually I got that backwards | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: what is the use case to force users specify one? | 15:13 |
| bswartz | there must exist a share type no matter what -- all shares have types | 15:13 |
| tbarron | the share type must exist in order to create a share, but a default doesn't have to exist | 15:13 |
| bswartz | however because the API doesn't require you to specify one, there must exist a default one | 15:13 |
| bswartz | and manila can't magically create a default one for you because manila doesn't know if you want DHSS=true or false | 15:14 |
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| markstur | it could just throw an error instead | 15:14 |
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| tbarron | vponomaryov: the use case would be if a cloud operator has both DHSS=True and False backends and wants all creates to be explicit | 15:14 |
| bswartz | markstur: that not too different from what we do | 15:14 |
| ganso | if shares cannot be created without a share type, one will need to be created eventually... so can't we just assigned the oldest one created as default if nothing is set in manila.conf? | 15:15 |
| bswartz | ganso: again that's basically what we do | 15:15 |
| tbarron | do we? | 15:15 |
| gouthamr | nope | 15:15 |
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| tbarron | if default isn't set, it isn't set | 15:15 |
| bswartz | I think tbarron is suggesting that somehow the admin shouldn't have to do ANYTHING and it should still just work | 15:15 |
| bswartz | tbarron: am I wrong? | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | I guess, we should just require it in UI, that's all | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | and leave server side as is | 15:16 |
| tbarron | bswartz: we don't magically pick the last defined share-type as default - maybe devstack does that in setup if that's what you mena | 15:16 |
| tbarron | mean | 15:16 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: that doesn't address the problem when there are no share types in the datagbase | 15:17 |
| ganso | tbarron, bswartz: then maybe we could do it to solve the immediate issue | 15:17 |
| markstur | I think UI should auto-select the default if there is a default and otherwise make you pick one (or change it) | 15:17 |
| dustins | Is the "default_share_type" config value listed as a required option in manila.conf? | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: when there is no such, then it is not completed setup | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | vponomaryov: that's what I told tbarron | 15:17 |
| tbarron | dustins: manila.conf sets it to None | 15:17 |
| tbarron | sample manila.conf shows it None, which leads some to think None is OK | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz; in case of tbarron's situation there are share types | 15:18 |
| bswartz | tbarron would you be okay with a solution that picks an arbitrary share type as the default if the config file doesn't specify one? | 15:18 |
| gouthamr | dustins: chicken and the egg problem there.. you need manila API service to run before you can create the default share type | 15:18 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: it is not chiken-egg problem, one service creates other uses | 15:19 |
| dustins | So the very first thing a Manila admin should do is to create the default share type and then add it to the Manila configuration? | 15:19 |
| vponomaryov | strict linear dependency | 15:19 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I really don't know the right answer here, I just ran into the problem (well, Dustin ran me into the problem) | 15:19 |
| dustins | (and then restart manila)? | 15:19 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: if you require something in the DEFAULT section, how can the manila-api service start? | 15:19 |
| bswartz | dustins: actually we expect that deployment tools do that for you | 15:19 |
| ganso | gouthamr: it seems we don't actually require | 15:19 |
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| dustins | bswartz: Which is why DevStack does it, yeah? | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | ganso: yes.. we can't require ... | 15:20 |
| markstur | if cust has types (dhss options for example) and doesn't want a default, but wants to explicitly choose for each share -- that could be a good feature | 15:20 |
| ganso | gouthamr: but it will become chicken-egg if we arbitrary select | 15:20 |
| vponomaryov | gouthamr: easy, you define config first start service and then just create share type with name you already set up in config | 15:20 |
| bswartz | what makes this problem thorny is that we made a decision to punt this issue to the deployment tools, but the only such tool that existed at the time was devstack | 15:20 |
| ganso | gouthamr: unless, in this scenario, as there will not be any share types in the first run, we don't select | 15:20 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: :P yeah, like we do in devstack | 15:20 |
| bswartz | so we weren't able to tell redhat/suse/mirantis that this is something they needed to deal with in their tools | 15:20 |
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| tbarron | markstur: yeah, I think that's a valid line of reasoning as we have left things. We might want to close it off, but as things are currently ... | 15:21 |
| bswartz | this decision was part of kilo | 15:21 |
| markstur | and ideally the default would only be needed and used if share-type is omitted or as a UI pre-select | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | vponomaryov: actually, the installation guide suggests the exact thing.. configure the default type, start services and create it | 15:21 |
| bswartz | okay so hopefully we all understand the status quo now | 15:21 |
| bswartz | the question is can we do anything to make it better | 15:22 |
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| ganso | gouthamr: how can configure it before starting the service? | 15:22 |
| bswartz | if somehow the admin forgets or the deployment tool doesn't create a default, should we still barf with an error when a user creates a share? | 15:22 |
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| bswartz | or could we do something magical like create a share type out of thin air and guess the value of DHSS? | 15:22 |
| markstur | only if the user creates a share w/o specifying a share-type | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | ganso: set ``default_share_type=xyzzy``, start manila.. create the share type xyzzy | 15:23 |
| bswartz | ganso: it's just a string in the config file | 15:23 |
| markstur | So I suppose we could create a default default | 15:23 |
| ganso | gouthamr: oh ok, if that does not lead to errors like not finding the share type xyzzy, then ok | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | not a required config opt, for a reason.. | 15:23 |
| tbarron | can we magically create a default share type if it's set in the config file? | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | ganso: yes, we don't check | 15:23 |
| markstur | but expecting admin to pick one or require explicit would be an option | 15:24 |
| bswartz | tbarron: we could, but what about the value of DHSS? | 15:24 |
| tbarron | bswartz: we'd have to have config for what that would be too | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: that was my original proposal during kilo! but it was shot down | 15:24 |
| tbarron | then we could faiil startup if those aren't in the config file | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: creating the default share type is a one time setup activity, no? | 15:25 |
| tommylikehu_ | tbarron: we gonna have config for config | 15:25 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: yes, I just don't want the support calls when people don't do it. | 15:25 |
| bswartz | we believed it was better to no add multiple config options, and to leave it to the deployment tools, because they ought to know this stuff | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: we documented it is necessary... | 15:25 |
| bswartz | so I'd like to wrap up this topic and move on | 15:26 |
| tbarron | bswartz: and that may be the outcome of this discussion, but as you said in kilo the "deployment tools" were just devstack so this directive didn't get fully communicated | 15:26 |
| bswartz | what can we do as a next step? | 15:26 |
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| tbarron | gouthamr: probably our deployment didn't read the doc, guess we'll need to fix that | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | maybe we can log a warning saying the default share type doesn't exist | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | would that help? | 15:27 |
| tbarron | but we | 15:27 |
| bswartz | tbarron: I take responsibility for the communication failure -- I was even involved with the redhat deployment tool work and I failed to mention this requirement | 15:27 |
| tbarron | but we've pushed the hard problem of deciding *what* to set as the default downstream | 15:27 |
| bswartz | it's easy to take it for granted when devstack does it for you | 15:27 |
| bswartz | tbarron: it's not hard if you're also configuring one or more drivers | 15:27 |
| tbarron | devstack sets up a very contrained environment | 15:27 |
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| tbarron | it's hard if you are configuring more than one and they vary on DHSS setting | 15:28 |
| tbarron | otherwise we would have just decided the issue upstream | 15:28 |
| bswartz | the point is that the values for the default share type should be informed by the driver configuration | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: what is wrong with multi-mode setup? | 15:28 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: customer has two backends, one DHSS=true, one DHSS=false, what shoudl default share type be? | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: we can't have multiple defaults... | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: so, just decide | 15:29 |
| markstur | should be none. Require selection | 15:29 |
| bswartz | tbarron: in that case the admin should decide | 15:29 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: so, they'd have to decide | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: and make one | 15:29 |
| ganso | throw a coin | 15:29 |
| bswartz | if we have to decide a coin flip would be the best way | 15:29 |
| tommylikehu_ | I have to say half an hour passed | 15:29 |
| markstur | if there is no default it just needs to be chosen for each create share | 15:30 |
| cknight | markstur: +1 | 15:30 |
| ganso | we could leave it to the scheduler | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: http://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/shared-file-systems/draft/install-share-rdo.html -> maybe we need to change this.. and add a section on default share types | 15:30 |
| bswartz | tbarron: is there any change you would like to see upstream on this? or are you just trying to figure out what changes need to be made downstream? | 15:30 |
| ganso | the scheduler knows which backends are there, and which modes they are operating | 15:30 |
| tbarron | let's close this out for today | 15:31 |
| bswartz | ganso: no there's a reason that won't work | 15:31 |
| bswartz | the API service needs to throw an error if the share network is not present and the share type is DHSS=true | 15:31 |
| bswartz | and also it needs to throw and error in the reverse case | 15:31 |
| ganso | bswartz: oh right | 15:31 |
| bswartz | okay let's move on | 15:31 |
| bswartz | I suspect something better could be done but I'm not sure what | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | #topic migration-start new command syntax | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | ganso: you're up | 15:32 |
| ganso | ok so the spec merged without deciding on the new migration-start CLI syntax | 15:32 |
| ganso | I have coded a few possibilities | 15:32 |
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| ganso | and I would like to present this so we waste no time | 15:32 |
| ganso | 1) All parameters fixed positional | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: which spec? limk? | 15:32 |
| ganso | manila migration-start share_1 ubuntu@generic1#GENERIC1 True True True True | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | :( | 15:33 |
| ganso | 2) All parameters with optional syntax, any order | 15:33 |
| bswartz | #link https://github.com/openstack/manila-specs/blob/master/specs/ocata/ocata-migration-improvements.rst | 15:33 |
| ganso | manila migration-start share_1 ubuntu@generic1#GENERIC1 --writable True --nondisruptive False --preserve-metadata True --preserve-snapshots False | 15:33 |
| ganso | 3) key=value style, comma separated, any order | 15:33 |
| ganso | manila migration-start share_1 ubuntu@generic1#GENERIC1 writable=True, preserve-metadata=True,preserve-snapshots=True,nondisruptive=True | 15:33 |
| ganso | 4) key=value style, space separated, any order | 15:33 |
| ganso | manila migration-start share_1 ubuntu@generic1#GENERIC1 writable=True preserve_metadata=True preserve_snapshots=True nondisruptive=True | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | ganso: are we voting? | 15:34 |
| bswartz | IMO (2) | 15:34 |
| ganso | gouthamr: I suggest we do | 15:34 |
| bswartz | no don't vote until we make arguments | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | (2) +1 | 15:35 |
| ganso | bswartz: #2 feels like the parameters are optional, but they are not | 15:35 |
| bswartz | (1) is hard to understand | 15:35 |
| markstur | nicelist | 15:35 |
| bswartz | but valud | 15:35 |
| xyang1 | I like #2 | 15:35 |
| ganso | #3 and #4 are positional | 15:35 |
| bswartz | (3) and (4) would be a significant variation from existing CLI style | 15:35 |
| dustins | (1) is very unclear | 15:35 |
| markstur | i think 2 is best because it is most like the API style we are using | 15:35 |
| dustins | Having the explicit options does help | 15:35 |
| xyang1 | It's easy to make mistakes with #1 | 15:35 |
| ganso | bswartz: #3 and #4 are similar to how extra-specs are used | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | ganso: CG commands have required args be specified in "optional" style | 15:35 |
| markstur | 1 - is the most fun to read. #trutrutrutru #butitisjibberish | 15:36 |
| bswartz | the only downside to (2) is that it's verbose as hell, but that's no different than the rest of openstack | 15:36 |
| ganso | also, there's nova boot --nic net-id=xxx,... | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | variant (2) making named options required | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | and requiring them on server side too | 15:37 |
| markstur | Can we do #2 with shortcut -w 1 -d 0 -m1 -s 0 or is that too cryptic picking letters? | 15:37 |
| bswartz | ganso: any idea what nova CLI does with those comma-separated stings? does it ship them as a single json string or does it break them up and send separate json? | 15:37 |
| ganso | markstur: cryptic | 15:37 |
| markstur | I mean the shortcut is an alias not a replacement for long names | 15:37 |
| markstur | like -v or --verbose | 15:37 |
| ganso | bswartz: I read the code, it parses and separates the commands | 15:37 |
| ganso | bswartz: I already do it in my code as well | 15:37 |
| markstur | because people want verbose, but don't want to be verbose | 15:37 |
| tbarron | what would osc do? | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | i wonder what the openstack-sdk guys prefer for this | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | hah | 15:38 |
| bswartz | ganso: and in the shift to opestack client, did they keep that gross syntax or did they clean it up? | 15:38 |
| markstur | tbarron: WWOD <-- is that a thing now? | 15:38 |
| ganso | bswartz: regarding openstack client I have no idea | 15:38 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: so, your statement in variant 2 is a bit false, because "named arg != optional arg" | 15:38 |
| tbarron | it's a joke but the serious point is that integrating with user expectations across projects is desirable | 15:38 |
| bswartz | okay I don't see any argument against (2) | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | +1 | 15:39 |
| bswartz | so this feels decided | 15:39 |
| bswartz | anything else? | 15:39 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: syntax is similar to optional | 15:39 |
| markstur | agree with tbarron let's make it osc ready | 15:39 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: "proposal" shoudl be strict | 15:39 |
| ganso | ok #2 is decided | 15:39 |
| bswartz | ganso: we already agreed that these parameters will have no defaults -- that was requested by you for safety reasons | 15:40 |
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| ganso | bswartz: yes, in the proposed code there are no defaults | 15:40 |
| dustins | tbarron: +1 for OSC "compliance" | 15:40 |
| bswartz | so users will have to type out all that crap no matter what | 15:40 |
| bswartz | or use a GUI | 15:40 |
| bswartz | okay moving on | 15:41 |
| bswartz | #topic remove access-update fallback to access_allow/deny | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: back to you | 15:41 |
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| tbarron | sorry, was pinged ... back | 15:41 |
| tbarron | ganso raised the question in a code review whether | 15:41 |
| tbarron | we'll be removing the fallback in the manager from access-update to the old allow/deny methods | 15:42 |
| bswartz | so a few drivers haven't gotten around to implementing the new method | 15:42 |
| tbarron | soon, either as a part of gouthamr work, or independently | 15:42 |
| bswartz | xyang1 mentioned at least one EMC driver is in that boat | 15:42 |
| ganso | we decided at the contributor's meetup that fallback will be removed, and drivers that don't implement update_access will be tagged as deprecated with their CIs failing | 15:42 |
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| markstur | GPFS is in that boat, but will fix that leak soon | 15:43 |
| xyang1 | so I talked to the Isilon team about this. because Ocata is so short, they couldn't get it done in Ocata. They can get it implemented in Pike | 15:43 |
| bswartz | markstur: you mean abandon that ship | 15:43 |
| tbarron | so my view is that this kind of cleanup should have a deadline, but that it should be after feature freeze | 15:43 |
| tbarron | this is tech debt | 15:43 |
| markstur | i think we decided in the summit to round up the remaining stragglers and warn them and get it done -- (or was that a different topic?) | 15:44 |
| ganso | deadline for this was newton, we weren't very strict about this | 15:44 |
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| xyang1 | ganso: if you mark something as deprecated in O, then it should be removed in P | 15:44 |
| bswartz | well the other thing we agreed to in the contributor meetup is that throwing out drivers is a user-unfriendly way to deal with unmaintained drivers | 15:44 |
| tbarron | right now we should concentrate on other stuff | 15:44 |
| markstur | otherwise the actual deadline was probably a release or 2 ago | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | There are many drivers in that boat | 15:44 |
| gouthamr | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-manila-access-rules | 15:44 |
| ganso | xyang1: we decided at contributor's meetup that we would not remove drivers anymore | 15:44 |
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| ganso | xyang1: even deprecated drivers | 15:44 |
| bswartz | we need another mechanism to deal with unmaintained drivers and whatever that is should be used in this case | 15:44 |
| xyang1 | ganso: I mean deprecate allow access and deny access | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | I'm okay with just breaking the drivers that haven't updated yet, but only if we have a good way to communicate with end users about it | 15:45 |
| ganso | xyang1: then indeed it should have been removed in newton | 15:45 |
| markstur | deprecate is usually a warning that something will go away but it isn't necessarily a deadline | 15:45 |
| ganso | xyang1: allow/deny was deprecated in mitaka | 15:45 |
| xyang1 | ok | 15:45 |
| tbarron | bswartz: +1 on end users, it's they who should be prioritized | 15:46 |
| bswartz | I want it to be easy to find out what the status of all the drivers is w.r.t. how up to date they are and whether they're continually tested | 15:46 |
| markstur | the deadline has been communicated but we either have communication issues or just schedule/resource issues. | 15:46 |
| bswartz | it's okay to have drivers in tree that are broken if they have some value to real users even in their broken state | 15:46 |
| ganso | bswartz: they will lose their value if allow/deny cannot be used | 15:46 |
| bswartz | but we need to make sure that users don't accidentally try to use a broken driver expecting it to work well | 15:47 |
| markstur | bswartz: Yes. bigger picture a grading-scheme or whatever to report what is known-good/bad would be a good answer | 15:47 |
| xyang1 | ganso: Is the deprecated message printed out? | 15:47 |
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| gouthamr | no | 15:47 |
| ganso | xyang1: | 15:47 |
| ganso | xyang1: no | 15:47 |
| xyang1 | ganso: it should be in logs, or written somewhere | 15:47 |
| ganso | xyang1: we failed at creating the deprecation message :\ | 15:47 |
| xyang1 | ganso: so it is not deprecated | 15:47 |
| tommylikehu_ | ganso:( | 15:47 |
| xyang1 | ganso: also now we have release notes. it should be in release notes now | 15:48 |
| vponomaryov | xyang1: nice trick )) | 15:48 |
| ganso | we have a deprecation comment in code | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | xyang1: deprecation messages are typically for config opts or something admin facing | 15:48 |
| xyang1 | vponomaryov::) | 15:48 |
| bswartz | so the goal posts are deprecation keep moving | 15:48 |
| tbarron | ganso: not good enough for support | 15:48 |
| ganso | tbarron: indeed | 15:48 |
| xyang1 | gouthamr: this needs it too | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | xyang1: unless we want the admins to call developers, that would be a bad way to deprecate driver interfaces | 15:48 |
| gouthamr | :P | 15:48 |
| bswartz | when we decided to do this, all that was required was a ML post | 15:48 |
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| bswartz | I'm hearing argument for a little more time | 15:49 |
| xyang1 | gouthamr: I wouldn't mind they call developers to get their attention:) | 15:49 |
| tbarron | the world has changed, there are customers | 15:49 |
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| xyang1 | anyway, I think we need better document | 15:49 |
| bswartz | if someone would like to add log spam and release notes about this issue and wait one more release, that's okay with me | 15:49 |
| xyang1 | if update_access is required, it should be documented | 15:49 |
| xyang1 | not just in meeting notes | 15:49 |
| bswartz | however no matter how long we wait, something will come crying when we actually pull the trigger | 15:50 |
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| xyang1 | bswartz: do you know what other drivers that have not implemented this? | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | xyang1: they were listed in that etherpad | 15:50 |
| gouthamr | EMC VNX | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | EMC Unity | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | EMC Isilon | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | HDFS Native | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | IBM GPFS | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | Oracle ZFSSA | 15:51 |
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| gouthamr | some of which are in review | 15:51 |
| xyang1 | You can take VNX and Unity out | 15:51 |
| gouthamr | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-manila-access-rules | 15:51 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: ty | 15:51 |
| markstur | did we have a volunteer to do hdfs? | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | markstur: no | 15:52 |
| bswartz | ideally this kind of thing will be easier to discern if reliable CI exists, because tests will simply start failing | 15:52 |
| bswartz | hdfs is listed as unmaintained on my list | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | redhat has kindly implemented some fixes for it, but hasn't offered to take it over | 15:53 |
| xyang1 | Is someone from Oracle working on it? | 15:53 |
| bswartz | okay let's try to squeeze in another topic | 15:53 |
| bswartz | #topic decision of deadline for driver config docs in devref removal | 15:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "decision of deadline for driver config docs in devref removal (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:53 | |
| bswartz | ganso: back to you | 15:53 |
| ganso | ok so, last meeting we decided to remove all driver config-related docs from devref | 15:54 |
| bswartz | yes | 15:54 |
| ganso | but as tbarron pointed out, it is bad user experience for first party drivers if that is removed and it is not yet somewhere else | 15:54 |
| ganso | and tbarron came up with a deadline strategy | 15:54 |
| bswartz | ganso: it's not hard to put those somewhere else is it? | 15:55 |
| ganso | so, we would like to establish a deadline, and then remove all the config-related driver docs from devref | 15:55 |
| markstur | I think it'll look weird if only 1st-party drivers are in the doc but we'll see | 15:55 |
| bswartz | ganso/tbarron: do you have a list of drivers which need docs work in the config ref? | 15:55 |
| ganso | markstur: indeed, that's not what we are suggesting | 15:55 |
| markstur | yeah ok | 15:55 |
| ganso | bswartz: I don't have a list | 15:56 |
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| ganso | bswartz: I'd say that we have a deadline and remove them when the deadline is met regardless | 15:56 |
| vponomaryov | ganzo ^_^ | 15:56 |
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| tbarron | I haven't had time to audit them all, but there's stuff in zfs-linux, ganesha, cephfs, generic, at least that is non-config I think | 15:57 |
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| ganso | oh yea, there's that... there are stuff related to admin-ref, user-guide, etc | 15:57 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: yes, generic one has list of requirements for image | 15:57 |
| ganso | but there is no devref stuff | 15:57 |
| ganso | devstack is not even mentioned in these docs | 15:58 |
| tbarron | My thought is that a deadline could be set for the latter part of ocata, and re-asserted around feature freeze. We have other stuff to work on now. | 15:58 |
| bswartz | sorry my phone rang | 15:58 |
| bswartz | ganso: are you suggesting we block the devref removal patch? | 15:58 |
| tbarron | ganso: yeah, but we *should* have devstack related stuff in devref for these | 15:58 |
| gouthamr | ganso: we need to make the docs more devstack-y.. i can help rewrite after feature freeze | 15:58 |
| ganso | bswartz: temporarily, yes, until that deadline we establish | 15:58 |
| markstur | tbarron: The problem with doc deadlines is that while we can work on that stuff late, we are at the mercy of doc folks to actually merge it | 15:58 |
| tbarron | markstur: true that | 15:59 |
| bswartz | ganso: suppose we set the deadline to O-3, then what? we go ahead and merge your change? | 15:59 |
| ganso | gouthamr: still, content that is there is not at all for devs | 15:59 |
| ganso | gouthamr: at this moment at least | 15:59 |
| markstur | removing our devref manila-controlled stuff before we are happyish with the official doc stuff is a problem | 15:59 |
| bswartz | ganso: the docs exist in stable branches and in git history if people really want to find them | 15:59 |
| ganso | gouthamr: so we would need new instructions for devs, but still move the existing ones to admin-ref and config-ref | 15:59 |
| bswartz | I say as long as we get all this done before stable/ocata is cut there is no problem | 15:59 |
| gouthamr | ganso: agree.. dustins and i wanted to audit it one point of time.. that work just got de-prioritized with our schedules | 16:00 |
| dustins | yeah... :( | 16:00 |
| tbarron | can we revisit at/after PTG? | 16:00 |
| bswartz | time's up! | 16:00 |
| markstur | gouthamr: work schedules or life? | 16:00 |
| tommylikehu_ | back to manila irc | 16:01 |
| gouthamr | i still believe we don't think we should chuck anything before we move the docs | 16:01 |
| bswartz | sorry we didn't make it through the whole agenda | 16:01 |
| gouthamr | markstur: both | 16:01 |
| bswartz | we'll carry over topics to next week or deal with them before next week if necessary | 16:01 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 8 16:01:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-12-08-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-12-08-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-12-08-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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| tmcpeak | #startmeeting security | 16:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 8 16:59:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tmcpeak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
| hyakuhei | Hey. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 16:59 | |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 16:59 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 16:59 |
| sigmavirus | o/ | 16:59 |
| hyakuhei | Doug was supposed to be starting things | 16:59 |
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| tmcpeak | #chair hyakuhei | 17:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei tmcpeak | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | I'll chair him when he comes | 17:00 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:00 |
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| mdong | o/ | 17:00 |
| browne | o/ | 17:00 |
| ashcrack | hey, I'm here the first time | 17:00 |
| iphutch | o/ | 17:00 |
| tmcpeak | welcome ashcrack | 17:00 |
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| iphutch | Hi all, here for the first time also | 17:00 |
| rarora | hi, also here for the first time | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | wow | 17:01 |
| mdong | welcome everyone! | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | welcome iphutch, rarora | 17:01 |
| tkelsey | cool, lots of first timers :D welcome | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | while we're filing in you guys want to do quick intros? | 17:01 |
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| tmcpeak | #chair capnoday | 17:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: capnoday hyakuhei tmcpeak | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | capnoday: take it away | 17:01 |
| capnoday | o/ | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | we've got new members that are introducing themselves | 17:01 |
| tmcpeak | I'm mostly gone for the first half of this, on a call | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | I'm on a call right now but I should be with you soonish :) | 17:01 |
| capnoday | ok cool | 17:02 |
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| capnoday | thanks for starting the meeting tmcpeak | 17:02 |
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| tmcpeak | de nada | 17:02 |
| capnoday | who have we got new with us today? | 17:02 |
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| iphutch | I'm Ianeta from docs team and I'd like to start contributing to security team via docs. Looking for a place to start, could be editing existing docs or working alongside devs on their docs. | 17:02 |
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| capnoday | hey iphutch | 17:03 |
| capnoday | thanks for joining us, we desperatly need someone to help out with security docs | 17:03 |
| rarora | tmcpeak: sure, I'm working with some people and we are possibly looking to get bandit to be part of the cinder gate... it was kind of last minute so didn't have time to edit the agenda before attending and was hoping to possibly talk a little bit about experiences with bandit once the main topics are covered | 17:03 |
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| tmcpeak | oh cool, we can definitely add that to the agenda | 17:03 |
| capnoday | rarora great we will cover bandit | 17:03 |
| capnoday | tmcpeak will you be able to join us for bandit talks later on? | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | I can help with bandit stuff as well :) | 17:04 |
| rarora | awesome, thanks all! | 17:04 |
| tmcpeak | capnoday: yep | 17:04 |
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| capnoday | ty | 17:05 |
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| tkelsey | so, whats first on the agenda then? | 17:05 |
| capnoday | agenda is here, add stuff if you have topics #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:05 |
| capnoday | first up is syntribos | 17:05 |
| capnoday | #topic Syntribos | 17:06 |
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| capnoday | anyone here able to talk syntribos? ccneil? | 17:06 |
| mdong | I can talk about it | 17:06 |
| vds | o/ | 17:07 |
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| capnoday | ok mdong | 17:07 |
| mdong | So this week we’re working with the Swift team to do a round of testing on it | 17:07 |
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| mdong | it’s a good opportunity for us to test out our tool after the latest release to see if anything’s changed since the last time we did it | 17:08 |
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| capnoday | excellent | 17:08 |
| capnoday | how is that progressing? | 17:08 |
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| capnoday | hey sicarie | 17:10 |
| mdong | we just started yesterday, but we have xin9972 in charge of doing code reviews and static analysis, and unrahul is doing a set of manual tests that the Swift team had us look into | 17:10 |
| * sicarie waves | 17:10 | |
| mdong | other than that, we’re rewriting the way our templates are built to make them less cluttered | 17:11 |
| capnoday | sounds like useful work, how do you plan to publish the results from this? | 17:11 |
| mdong | we’ll file anything we find as a launchpad bug, much the same as we did last time | 17:11 |
| capnoday | sweet | 17:12 |
| capnoday | it would be interesting to have some kind of overall summary of the results from cinder | 17:12 |
| capnoday | i mean swift | 17:12 |
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| capnoday | once its done, maybe write a summary for this meeting, or consider a talk at the next summit? | 17:12 |
| notmyname | what is the thing being discussed with the swift team? | 17:13 |
| mdong | sure thing, that would be valuable | 17:13 |
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| capnoday | great, anything else on syntribos? | 17:14 |
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| sigmavirus | notmyname: testing swift with Syntribos | 17:14 |
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| mdong | I know unrahul got in touch with the swift team to get a list of things they felt could be vulnerable to help in our testing | 17:14 |
| mdong | that’s all I have for syntribos | 17:14 |
| sigmavirus | (since no one else is answering you for unknown reasons) | 17:14 |
| notmyname | sigmavirus: thanks. /me goes to google Syntribos | 17:15 |
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| capnoday | mdong got a link on syntribos for notmyname? | 17:16 |
| notmyname | mdong: who did you talk to on the swift team? | 17:16 |
| notmyname | I found it :-) | 17:16 |
| vinaypotluri | notmyname: github.com/openstack/syntribos | 17:16 |
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| mdong | notmyname: that’s a question for unrahul, I’m afraid I don’t know | 17:17 |
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| capnoday | ok lets leave syntibos there | 17:18 |
| vinaypotluri | notmyname: I could send you a few names in the swift team we got in touch | 17:18 |
| capnoday | #topic OSSN | 17:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OSSN (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:18 | |
| hyakuhei | can we come back to OSSN in 10 minutes please? | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | I'll be off my call then | 17:19 |
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| capnoday | ok | 17:19 |
| capnoday | #topic Security Guide | 17:19 |
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| capnoday | sicarie whats the current status of the security guide? we have a new volunteer who is keen to help | 17:20 |
| notmyname | vinaypotluri: thanks. I'm trying to catch up on this. I hadn't heard (or don't remember) anything with syntribos and swift before | 17:20 |
| sicarie | So after moving laptops I found I was unable to actually post changes to the guide | 17:20 |
| sicarie | I have a few very rough drafts of some changes, but it's been static | 17:20 |
| capnoday | ok action tmcpeak - fix sicaries laptop | 17:20 |
| sicarie | There are definitely good bugs out there, and as always we could do with a Neutron/Nova review | 17:20 |
| sicarie | =1 | 17:20 |
| sicarie | +1 | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | iphutch wanted to do documentation things IIRC | 17:21 |
| capnoday | iphutch has joined us today and wanted some advice on where to start with our docs | 17:21 |
| sicarie | awesome | 17:21 |
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| sicarie | i'll /msg him | 17:22 |
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| sicarie | them | 17:22 |
| iphutch | yep, Im sure I can assist here | 17:22 |
| capnoday | ok great | 17:22 |
| capnoday | wheres the best place to get started on these? | 17:22 |
| sicarie | docs is always just get a single bug - make sure the process is documented and up-to-date | 17:23 |
| sicarie | once that's there, it's wherever the contributor feels most comfortable | 17:23 |
| sicarie | I'm sure there are a few things we can do | 17:23 |
| iphutch | sicarie: You can send me some ARs and we can get going | 17:24 |
| sicarie | sounds good! and welcome :D | 17:24 |
| iphutch | :) thanks! | 17:25 |
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| capnoday | lhinds hyakuhei where are we at with the blog? | 17:27 |
| capnoday | #topic Blog | 17:27 |
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| hyakuhei | lhinds isn't around today. He has publish rights now though | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | I _still_ haven't written anything bloggy. Completely failed on that action. | 17:27 |
| capnoday | thats fine, the day job is a thing | 17:27 |
| capnoday | #Action hyakuhei write a blog post | 17:28 |
| tmcpeak | spoiler alert - fixing sicarie's laptop is going to slip too | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:28 |
| capnoday | lol | 17:28 |
| sicarie | dang! | 17:28 |
| sicarie | here I was looking forward to my first Lotus Notes experience | 17:28 |
| capnoday | its actually better than you would expect | 17:29 |
| capnoday | anyway | 17:29 |
| capnoday | are you able to talk about OSSN yet hyakuhei? | 17:29 |
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| capnoday | ok | 17:30 |
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| capnoday | #topic Security Review | 17:31 |
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| capnoday | anyone got any updates on this? Its a no-op from me this week unfortunately, am hoping to get some more stuff pushed up for review this week | 17:31 |
| tmcpeak | no updates on security review | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | The only update really is that we're continuing to work on some internal enhancements | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | That we should be able to push upstream soon. | 17:32 |
| capnoday | great news | 17:32 |
| capnoday | are those the internal enhancements you told me to write? | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | For the most part sure | 17:32 |
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| capnoday | excellent, two birds with one stone | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | :D | 17:33 |
| capnoday | ok to talk OSSN? | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | So I can give a quick OSSN update if you like | 17:33 |
| capnoday | #topic OSSN | 17:33 |
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| hyakuhei | We have four in the pipe. | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | Most of you will only see one because the other three are embargo | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 17:33 |
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| hyakuhei | One regarding Nova will be published later today | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | Apart from that not much to add TBH | 17:34 |
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| capnoday | ok great | 17:35 |
| capnoday | #topic Bandit | 17:35 |
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| capnoday | tmcpeak tkelsey | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | yo | 17:35 |
| tmcpeak | tkelsey: pushed a new version, know we've got that | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | gmurphy: has been filing up a storm of bugs too | 17:36 |
| tkelsey | so pushed out a new version last week | 17:36 |
| tkelsey | heh yeah | 17:36 |
| capnoday | so whats new? | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | oooh bugs are good | 17:36 |
| tkelsey | pipe files into bandit is the main thing | 17:36 |
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| capnoday | so we can chain bandit with other tools? | 17:37 |
| tkelsey | #link https://github.com/openstack/bandit/releases/tag/1.3.0 | 17:37 |
| tkelsey | pathcnotes ^ | 17:37 |
| tkelsey | I think browne needed it for the sublime plugin he is working on | 17:37 |
| capnoday | thanks tkelsey | 17:37 |
| browne | yep | 17:37 |
| browne | #link https://github.com/ericwb/SublimeLinter-contrib-bandit | 17:37 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 17:38 |
| browne | still awaiting approval from sublime guys | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | That's very cool | 17:38 |
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| capnoday | rarora wanted to talk about bandit with cinder | 17:39 |
| browne | thx | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, want to do that now? | 17:39 |
| rarora | hey, yeah! | 17:39 |
| tkelsey | tmcpeak do you have info on how to integrate bandit (a link or something) for rarora | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | integrate? | 17:40 |
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| rarora | so we were talking about possibly adding bandit to the cinder gate as non-voting at the cinder IRC meeting yesterday | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | I think I do, one sec | 17:40 |
| tkelsey | as in use it in the gate | 17:40 |
| rarora | we would appreciate that link! | 17:40 |
| tmcpeak | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Projects/Bandit#Gate_Testing_with_Bandit | 17:40 |
| rarora | tkelsey: yes, use it in the gate as non-voting so it doesn't stop any commits but gives people a heads up of possible issues | 17:40 |
| rarora | tmcpeak: thanks! | 17:40 |
| rarora | the main concern that they raised was false positives | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | two approaches | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | 1) exclude noisy tests from your run | 17:41 |
| rarora | most of them hadn't used bandit in a while but they said that the results were overwhelmingly false positives | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | 2) nosec legitimate tests that are OK in a particular instance | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | yeah, by default you're running Bandit with a bunch of informational tests | 17:41 |
| rarora | tmcpeak: right, that is what we were thinking too | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | things like "subprocess is being used" | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | try bandit -ll -ii | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | that should give you a better starting point | 17:42 |
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| rarora | thanks, we hadn't tried that out before | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | that is "filter medium+ severity, medium+ confidence" | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | it will get rid of all the informational stuff | 17:42 |
| tkelsey | -ll and -ii configure a base level for severity and confidence, stuff that falls lower than that is ignored | 17:42 |
| tkelsey | so yeah, what tmcpeak said :) | 17:43 |
| tmcpeak | :D | 17:43 |
| rarora | okay, yeah, I think that should help a lot because they seemed excited about the idea in general but didn't want too much extra noise | 17:43 |
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| tmcpeak | fair enough, you may have to further tune but that's a good starting point | 17:43 |
| rarora | we were also going to talk to some people from keystone since they use it in their gate to get an idea of things they have found helpful | 17:44 |
| rarora | that's pretty much all I had, thanks everyone! | 17:44 |
| tkelsey | yeah, bandit can be configured down to just a few tests easily as well, using the config file ... yeah the keystone folks have most experience using it outside of the bandit team | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | brb, might drop for a second. | 17:45 |
| capnoday | thanks rarora, please let us know how you get on | 17:45 |
| capnoday | hyakuhei we are almost done i think | 17:45 |
| rarora | will do! | 17:45 |
| capnoday | #topic AOB | 17:46 |
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| tkelsey | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/bandit/ | 17:46 |
| tkelsey | rarora: docs for bandit, incase you didn't find them already | 17:46 |
| capnoday | moving to AOB, we have 'working like openstack' and 'MD5 everywhere' but i dont think we can talk to those today | 17:46 |
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| rarora | tkelsey: thanks! | 17:46 |
| singleth_ | Can people who are merely "community members" (as opposed to "foundation members") still be members of the OSSG? | 17:47 |
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| mdong | notmyname: our contacts on the Swift team are ntata, pdardeau, Mohit and Sashi - they’re all OSIC members I believe? | 17:47 |
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| capnoday | singlethink we welcome everybody | 17:47 |
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| capnoday | singlethink if you feel you can contribute to openstack security in any way, you're welcome here | 17:48 |
| singlethink | ok... I got a notice that I was being knocked down to "community member" for not participating enough... and I don't know how soon that will change | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | singlethink: I got that too | 17:48 |
| singlethink | lolz | 17:48 |
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| capnoday | #action tmcpeak participate more | 17:49 |
| tkelsey | LOL | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | I've been reinstated.. | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | by magics | 17:49 |
| capnoday | singlethink feel free to push patches, open bugs, etc etc | 17:49 |
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| hyakuhei | when was that? | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | last week | 17:49 |
| singlethink | capnoday: I feel free to... I just tend to be highly oversubscribed | 17:50 |
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| hyakuhei | I'm suspicious of my email filters. | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | are you voting in elections hyakuhei? | 17:50 |
| capnoday | singlethink I feel your pain! | 17:50 |
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| singlethink | I realize that can probably be said of everyone in this meeting. (Unfortunately OpenStack is not part of my day job anymore.) | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | singlethink: you aren't the only one | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | far from it. | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | I get far less allocation to it than I used to | 17:51 |
| capnoday | i think this is something thats only going to get worse going forwards too | 17:51 |
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| tmcpeak | capnoday: ++ | 17:52 |
| capnoday | anyway, any other AOB? | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | not from me | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | nopes | 17:52 |
| tkelsey | nope | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | excepting to say thanks to capnoday for chairing. | 17:52 |
| capnoday | np | 17:52 |
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| capnoday | lets wrap that up then, thanks everybody for attending | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | thanks capnoday! | 17:52 |
| singlethink | thanks capnoday | 17:52 |
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| capnoday | #endmeeting | 17:53 |
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| tmcpeak | #endmeeting | 17:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 8 17:53:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-12-08-16.59.html | 17:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-12-08-16.59.txt | 17:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-12-08-16.59.log.html | 17:53 |
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| vgridnev | #startmeeting sahara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 8 18:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 18:00 |
| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 18:00 |
| vgridnev | Is anyone around for meeting? | 18:01 |
| mariannelm | hey | 18:01 |
| NikitaKonovalov_ | o/ | 18:01 |
| vgridnev | O/ | 18:01 |
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| vgridnev | raissa, any information about tosky and egafford? | 18:04 |
| raissa | vgridnev: tosky I'm not sure, but Elise might be traveling back home | 18:05 |
| vgridnev | Uh, sad | 18:06 |
| vgridnev | Do we need meeting than? | 18:06 |
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| vgridnev | then* | 18:06 |
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| NikitaKonovalov_ | I had a question for Elise | 18:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov_ | but looks like she's not coming | 18:07 |
| NikitaKonovalov_ | btw, the PTG travel support application time is almost out | 18:07 |
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| NikitaKonovalov_ | so if anyone wanted to apply it's a day or two left | 18:08 |
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| vgridnev | NikitaKonovalov_, yeah, but we will the second wave of support applications | 18:08 |
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| mariannelm | I'm kind of new here, do you think I should apply? | 18:08 |
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| NikitaKonovalov_ | mariannelm: you can apply of course. | 18:10 |
| vgridnev | mariannelm, I guess so, PTG is a place where we going to discuss features and roadmap for Sahara for next few cycle | 18:10 |
| vgridnev | 1min | 18:10 |
| vgridnev | http://www.openstack.org/ptg#tab_travel | 18:10 |
| vgridnev | #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg#tab_travel | 18:10 |
| mariannelm | ok, thank you | 18:11 |
| NikitaKonovalov_ | the event is going to be held in Atlanta, so if you need a visa you should apply for it as well | 18:11 |
| vgridnev | #link https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/travelsupportptg_atlanta | 18:11 |
| mariannelm | thanks NikitaKonovalov_ and vgridnev | 18:12 |
| shuyingya | hi, all. sorry for late. | 18:12 |
| vgridnev | shuyingya, is it too early in China? | 18:13 |
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| vgridnev | Actually seems like several core developers are not at the meeting today, so feel free to ask something if you have questions | 18:14 |
| shuyingya | yep. 2 o'clock in midnight right now | 18:14 |
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| vgridnev | shuyingya, if there is nothing to ask so let's just finish our meeting | 18:15 |
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| shuyingya | ah, Just because of the blocked network in China, and sahara-image-create can't be executed successfully. | 18:16 |
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| shuyingya | I rent a server in US to build it right now. nothing else to ask:) | 18:17 |
| vgridnev | shuyingya, ok, so, if there is nothing else, so let finish for today. Thanks all for attending | 18:18 |
| vgridnev | #endmeeting | 18:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 8 18:18:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-12-08-18.00.html | 18:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-12-08-18.00.txt | 18:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-12-08-18.00.log.html | 18:19 |
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