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| edleafe | #startmeeting nova_scheduler | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 12 14:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_scheduler' | 14:00 |
| * edleafe yawns | 14:00 | |
| edleafe | Who's here? | 14:00 |
| macsz | \o | 14:00 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 14:00 |
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| cdent | o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | Mondays are always slow... | 14:02 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:02 |
| edleafe | Well, maybe we can make this quick | 14:02 |
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| cdent | did I remember to put "let's move the meeting" on the agenda? | 14:02 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:02 |
| edleafe | #topic Reviews | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews (Meeting topic: nova_scheduler)" | 14:02 | |
| edleafe | cdent: I did | 14:02 |
| cdent | you star | 14:02 |
| edleafe | We have several patches/series in progress | 14:03 |
| edleafe | They were summed up nicely in cdent's email | 14:03 |
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| jaypipes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398469/ | 14:03 |
| edleafe | Is there anything about any of them to discuss? | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | would be awesome to get eyeballs on the above patch series. | 14:03 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: yes, the RT cleanup series | 14:03 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: any problems, other than lack of eyeballs? | 14:04 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: the reason that one is important is so we can avoid having lots of scheduler report client objects in memory on nova-compute's that handle Ironic requests. | 14:04 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: no, no problems, just needs reviews. | 14:05 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: cool | 14:05 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: from cores. I believe you and cdent have already reviewed them. | 14:05 |
| bauzas | roger. | 14:06 |
| edleafe | #action edleafe to add the RT cleanup series to the etherpad for "ready for general review" | 14:06 |
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| edleafe | I'd like to clarify the model for the Ironic inventory | 14:06 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404472/ | 14:06 |
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| electrocucaracha | o/ | 14:07 |
| edleafe | I had been under the impression that this was a classic use of nested RPs | 14:07 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: can you clarify the model? | 14:07 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: sure | 14:08 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: each Ironic baremetal node is itself a separate resource provider. | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: each of those resource providers will have a single record for its inventory. | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: having a quantity of 1 for a resource class that matches the Ironic node.resource_class attribute (supplied from the Ironic API) | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: no nesting. | 14:09 |
| edleafe | ok, thanks | 14:09 |
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| edleafe | I remembered you saying that each of those ironic RPs would be a child of a compute RP | 14:09 |
| edleafe | But alzheimer's a bitch | 14:10 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: :) | 14:10 |
| edleafe | OK, so anything else to discuss regarding reviews? | 14:10 |
| cdent | jaypipes, edleafe: I guess that means the area with lack of clarity is how any given compute node knows which baremetals it "cares for"? | 14:11 |
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| jaypipes | just that I rebased and fixed review comments on bauzas' patch for the GET /resource_providers?resources=XXX | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | pushed it and needs follow up reviews. | 14:11 |
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| edleafe | cdent: or whether a compute node cares at all anymore? | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392569/ | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | ^^ bauzas patch | 14:12 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: thanks for that | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | np | 14:12 |
| cdent | edleafe: well presumably if the resource tracker does, then a compute node does? | 14:12 |
| jaypipes | cdent: to answer your question, nothing about how that is *currently* handled is changing. | 14:13 |
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| * cdent nods | 14:13 | |
| cdent | that's what I figured, I just wanted to make sure it was aired, as that seemed a gap in the above | 14:13 |
| jaypipes | cdent: the compute_nodes table will still be storing the hypervisor_hostname field which is the mechanism used to do that association currently. | 14:13 |
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| jaypipes | cdent: eventually it would be great to have that "resource_provider_queue_mapping" table we discussed back in Portland. but that's a ways off. | 14:15 |
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| edleafe | what I remembered from our discussion was that nested RPs would provide that mapping | 14:15 |
| cdent | ✔ | 14:15 |
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| edleafe | Well, let's move on | 14:17 |
| edleafe | #topic Opens | 14:17 |
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| edleafe | Two items on the agenda | 14:17 |
| edleafe | First, should this be the last meeting for 2016? | 14:17 |
| cdent | +1 | 14:17 |
| edleafe | I.e., skip the 19th? | 14:18 |
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| jaypipes | edleafe: no, nested providers relates two resource providers to each other. what we're referring to there is not a relationship between a resource provider and another resource provider but instead a resource provider and the *nova-compute* service worker that handles control plane requests. | 14:18 |
| bauzas | I will probably be on PTO next week (ski season has begun) | 14:18 |
| bauzas | I mean, only on Monday | 14:19 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: enjoy :) | 14:19 |
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| edleafe | bauzas: I might be forced to be on PTO, due to company policy of not carrying over time off | 14:19 |
| edleafe | still figuring that out | 14:19 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: I'll be working next Monday. so if we want to do a little quick status update, I'm game. | 14:19 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: already did :) https://twitter.com/sylvainbauza/status/806777384565227520 | 14:19 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: tres bien. | 14:20 |
| cdent | i'll be around on monday too, but don't reckon we need an official meeting | 14:20 |
| edleafe | bauzas: sweet | 14:20 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: yeah, go ahead and cancel it for Monday. we can always do an informal catchup if folks are around. | 14:20 |
| edleafe | OK, let's cancel the meeting, and if need be, get a hold of one another in -nova. | 14:20 |
| edleafe | Sound good? | 14:20 |
| cdent | aye | 14:21 |
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| edleafe | #agreed No meeting on December 19 | 14:22 |
| edleafe | OK, next up: Should we move the meeting time? | 14:22 |
| edleafe | given bauzas school responsibilities, and the sleepiness of those in CST | 14:23 |
| cdent | This was my suggestion, since it seems like it is inconvenient for bauzas. | 14:23 |
| cdent | jinx | 14:23 |
| * bauzas shrgus | 14:23 | |
| * cdent writes jinx as a service | 14:23 | |
| * bauzas shrugs even | 14:23 | |
| edleafe | yeah, it was hard to find this time where we were all available | 14:23 |
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| edleafe | mainly due to a certain someone always being in meetings <cough>jaypipes<cough> | 14:24 |
| bauzas | I mean, don't feel constrainted by me | 14:24 |
| bauzas | constrained even | 14:24 |
| edleafe | I like 'constrainted' better :) | 14:24 |
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| * bauzas is not on a ski slope but looks like he's still wearing gloves | 14:24 | |
| cdent | I think if we're going to bother to have meetings at all then it is best that we have a time when both sylvain and jaypipes can be there with whatever most available attention happens to be. | 14:25 |
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| bauzas | the problem is that my Monday afternoons are always pretty busy | 14:25 |
| bauzas | I have an internal meeting right after that one | 14:26 |
| bauzas | well, actually depending on the time shift, but even | 14:26 |
| bauzas | but the point is, I feel a bit ashamed if you feel you would move the meeting just because 2 of us | 14:26 |
| edleafe | bauzas: well, we moved the meeting to this time because of 1 of you :) | 14:27 |
| bauzas | I certainly understand how my French prose and my arguments can be missed by you guys | 14:27 |
| bauzas | but I hopefully think some people are reading us without contributing to the discussion | 14:27 |
| bauzas | either way | 14:28 |
| edleafe | Well, it seems that it isn't a pressing need at the moment | 14:28 |
| bauzas | if you feel you wanna move, okaty | 14:28 |
| cdent | well, I guess we just leave it as is for now then, and visit it in the new year | 14:28 |
| bauzas | agreed | 14:28 |
| edleafe | Let's at least keep in mind that we can be flexible in the future if it becomes a problem | 14:28 |
| bauzas | and the problem would be solved by the next timeshift | 14:28 |
| bauzas | I mean, the DST | 14:28 |
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| bauzas | it's really a 6-month problem because school doesn't work UTC time weirdly | 14:29 |
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| edleafe | #agreed No immediate need to move the meeting time. Will revisit if necessary | 14:29 |
| edleafe | That's all that was on the agenda. Anything else for Opens? | 14:30 |
| cdent | I'd like a pony for christmas | 14:30 |
| edleafe | #agreed cdent to get a pony for christmas | 14:30 |
| cdent | \o/ | 14:30 |
| edleafe | ...and with that, I think we're done | 14:31 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 14:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 12 14:31:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-12-12-14.00.html | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-12-12-14.00.txt | 14:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2016/nova_scheduler.2016-12-12-14.00.log.html | 14:31 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_upgrades | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 12 15:00:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:00 | |
| ihrachys | o/ everyone | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_upgrades' | 15:00 |
| electrocucaracha | howdy | 15:00 |
| korzen | hello | 15:00 |
| sshank | Hi | 15:00 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-Upgrades-Subteam Agenda | 15:00 |
| sindhu | Hi | 15:00 |
| dasanind_ | hi | 15:00 |
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| ihrachys | btw folks it would be nice if whenever you have a question for the team, you update the agenda page ^ so that we can prepare for potential discussion | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:01 | |
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| ihrachys | Ocata-2 is happening this week | 15:01 |
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| ihrachys | PTG registration is ongoing | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | nothing else of interest that I know | 15:02 |
| ihrachys | #topic Partial Multinode Grenade | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Partial Multinode Grenade (Meeting topic: neutron_upgrades)" | 15:02 | |
| ihrachys | there was some progress made I believe | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | the jschwarz's devstack patch that broke the gate was reverted, but then Armando re-proposed it with the issue fixed | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/I292ff0dc080fb84b5f879ba2f00f03eff295b55b,n,z | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | that now landed into newton and ocata, so it should be enough to make next steps | 15:04 |
| korzen | any update on how to test zero-downtime in gate? | 15:04 |
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| ihrachys | that being said, we still see 3 tempest tests failing as in http://logs.openstack.org/59/396659/3/experimental/gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-linuxbridge-multinode-ubuntu-xenial-nv/684b940/logs/grenade.sh.txt.gz#_2016-12-09_10_11_59_314 | 15:05 |
| ihrachys | korzen: no, that was on my plate, but then I was (obviously) distracted by some local weekly event. I should get back to it this week. | 15:05 |
| korzen | ok | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: do you have capacity to help with debugging those 3 tempest failures in partial grenade linuxbridge job? | 15:06 |
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| jschwarz | ihrachys, not currently, sorry :< | 15:06 |
| manjeets | o/ | 15:06 |
| ihrachys | ok. I will need to check if it's some MTU issue again, we had something similar before for ovs job. | 15:07 |
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| ihrachys | maybe I should try with I53c0eb57da956b36f09731d25db989719e9bc9dc that reverts an MTU hack inside linuxbridge agent | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | ok, updated the testing patch to include it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396659/ and triggered experimental. | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | we'll see how it goes | 15:08 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: since you've asked, do you have capacity to take over that task from me? :) | 15:09 |
| ihrachys | I mean, the no-downtime gating testing investigation | 15:09 |
| korzen | ihrachys, I can aks around this week | 15:09 |
| korzen | ask* | 15:10 |
| ihrachys | ok, if I get to it in time, I will update you, and vice versa. | 15:10 |
| korzen | ye | 15:10 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Object implementation | 15:11 |
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| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db | 15:11 |
| ihrachys | we have some patches that I believe are ready to go: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron+branch:master+topic:bp/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db+label:Code-Review%252B2 | 15:11 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: I made a exhaustive check on the spreadsheet | 15:11 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: link to the sheet? | 15:12 |
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| electrocucaracha | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FeeQlQITsZSj_wpOXiLbS36dirb_arX0XEWBdFVPMB8/edit#gid=1434170112 | 15:12 |
| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: we included a columns for lever of confidence and tentative release target | 15:13 |
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| electrocucaracha | hopefully, that helps to get an idea of the patches that are almost ready | 15:13 |
| ihrachys | that's enormous tracking effort I admit, thanks for doing that | 15:13 |
| electrocucaracha | any time | 15:14 |
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| korzen | hmm we are now at ocata-2 | 15:15 |
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| korzen | and the progress is not so advanced | 15:15 |
| korzen | when is ocata-3? | 15:15 |
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| ihrachys | end of Jan | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html#o-3 | 15:16 |
| ihrachys | so we have roughly a month | 15:16 |
| korzen | well, until some resource is not changed, the OVO does not impact zero-downtime | 15:17 |
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| ihrachys | yeah, the only thing we absolutely must deliver is port binding since it's needed for live migration rework | 15:17 |
| korzen | so the priority should have the port binding | 15:17 |
| ihrachys | I see it's sched to Pike in the doc. electrocucaracha, any reason for that? | 15:17 |
| korzen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407868/ | 15:18 |
| electrocucaracha | not really, It's because I haven't seen progress on that | 15:18 |
| electrocucaracha | but it's just my limited perception | 15:18 |
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| ihrachys | I see. we may actually need to bump it in priority. | 15:19 |
| korzen | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404293/ Port Binding extension with PK and 'status' field | 15:19 |
| korzen | so the links are very important | 15:20 |
| ihrachys | korzen: thanks for sharing the latter, I was not aware | 15:20 |
| korzen | np | 15:20 |
| korzen | returning to zero-downtime testing, is some working on setting it up for manual tests? | 15:21 |
| korzen | it would be nice to see how the port binding is influencing the zero-downtime | 15:22 |
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| korzen | before we have gate | 15:22 |
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| korzen | I guess that no... | 15:23 |
| korzen | :( | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | I guess so | 15:23 |
| ihrachys | do I hear someone volunteering? :) | 15:24 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, if you mean me, then not this month :P | 15:25 |
| manjeets | when you said port binding is influencing 0 downtime ? which way can you explain bit more | 15:25 |
| manjeets | korzen, | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | haha. gotcha. I would start with checking with infra on setting the gate; and if we are not close to it, then consider falling back to manual. | 15:25 |
| manjeets | you mean with or without ovo ? | 15:25 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: there are changes in the pipeline to modify port binding resource | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | adding a new status field, and expanding primary key | 15:26 |
| korzen | manjeets, the OVO is a requirement | 15:26 |
| ihrachys | we will need OVO object for it in and integrated to make it work flawlessly | 15:26 |
| manjeets | ok got it | 15:26 |
| manjeets | thanks | 15:26 |
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| korzen | from other news, I have restored my subnet integration patch and need to check how to overcome the db_obj detached | 15:28 |
| electrocucaracha | that is for improving live migration effort right? | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | korzen: I see you talked to ataraday in another channel on the matter. any brief conclusions? | 15:28 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: yes, port binding work is for live migration | 15:28 |
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| korzen | so the db_obj needs to be added to working session before any extension is going to use the extra relationships defined in DB | 15:29 |
| korzen | this is also problematic when transition to new enginefacade | 15:29 |
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| ihrachys | korzen: meaning that we will need to have the db_obj not detached? | 15:30 |
| korzen | the solution I'm thinking is to create new session and add db_obj to it before calling _apply_dict_extend_functions | 15:30 |
| korzen | for starter, it seems like a workaround | 15:31 |
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| korzen | I'm not sure if we can drop the detaching | 15:31 |
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| ihrachys | yeah, there were some issues with it I believe. like session caching values between fetches, or something. | 15:32 |
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| korzen | yes, so for started I would not go into removing the detaching | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | ack. ok, let's see what you will craft. :) | 15:32 |
| korzen | unless ataray or kevinbenton would make something smarter | 15:32 |
| ihrachys | I assume as long as it's good with Anna, it's good with me :) | 15:33 |
| * ihrachys loves to be lazy | 15:33 | |
| korzen | :) | 15:33 |
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| sshank | ihrachys, Any leads on the segment_id issue in port binding level patch? Should we add it to pass tests? | 15:33 |
| ihrachys | sshank: yeah, I need to look at that, haven't done it yet. I will do it asap. I hope we will be able to overcome it without duplicating the field, but I need to play with it. | 15:34 |
| ihrachys | btw on related news, I will join the late neutron meeting today to update the broader team about our progress and will raise some patches that should be ready to go there. | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | hopefully it will help get them in the queue :) | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | ok let's move on to the next topic which is ... | 15:35 |
| ihrachys | #topic Other patches on review | 15:35 |
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| korzen | ihrachys, I have updated a little last week | 15:35 |
| korzen | on tuesday's meeting | 15:36 |
| ihrachys | korzen: thanks! | 15:36 |
| electrocucaracha | well, I'm a little lost about some comments for Router OVO | 15:36 |
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| ihrachys | there is a policy proposal that expands the list of cases where UpgradeImpact tag is to be used: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402004/ | 15:37 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: the latest PS or PS30? | 15:37 |
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| electrocucaracha | ihrachys: I don't remember the PS but it was your comment about how to address attached_ports | 15:38 |
| electrocucaracha | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307964/34/neutron/objects/router.py@139 | 15:38 |
| manjeets | I am having a issue in implementing port_ovo https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/db/securitygroups_db.py#L645 | 15:39 |
| electrocucaracha | PS30 | 15:40 |
| manjeets | I changed port_db.security_groups to port_db.security_group_ids which is a coerced set of ids | 15:40 |
| manjeets | list() or set() seems like not working on that | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: I think korzen had a comment there that may have helped you? | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | in PS30 | 15:41 |
| ihrachys | "You were missing router_id=self.id in reload_attached_ports() ..." | 15:41 |
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| electrocucaracha | mmm ok maybe I didn't see it, sorry korzen | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: can't you extract the IDs from security-group objects? | 15:42 |
| korzen | electrocucaracha, np, I also forget what I have reviewed | 15:42 |
| ihrachys | korzen: :) true story | 15:43 |
| manjeets | I guess I can i'll try ihrachys | 15:44 |
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| ihrachys | in related news, no-downtime spec/write-up seems to be ready to land: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386685/ | 15:44 |
| ihrachys | we have +2 from armax, and more +1s | 15:45 |
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| manjeets | yes ihrachys do we have patch up for forbiding contract migrations in code as well ? | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | ok seems rather calm, let's move on | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: we have a functional test | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: is it not enough? | 15:46 |
| manjeets | it is enough | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | yeah, so it was landed some time ago | 15:46 |
| manjeets | i would be I belive | 15:46 |
| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400239/ | 15:47 |
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| ihrachys | that's the contract forbidding patch | 15:47 |
| manjeets | thanks | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | ok | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 15:47 |
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| korzen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400412/ one word about that patch | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | we have nothing on the wiki page in the section | 15:47 |
| ihrachys | I suggest to fill it in for next times, so that we know that there is a topic to discuss | 15:48 |
| ihrachys | korzen: looking | 15:48 |
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| korzen | when someone will try to create object passing stardard_attr_id, the object creating will fail | 15:48 |
| korzen | this was why UTs in QoS were failing | 15:48 |
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| ihrachys | which makes sense since the object does not have such field | 15:49 |
| ihrachys | correct? | 15:49 |
| korzen | true | 15:49 |
| electrocucaracha | fyi: ndahiwade has reported a bug in oslo.versioned-objects https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408739/ | 15:49 |
| korzen | is it allowed to implicitly set the standard_attr-id? | 15:50 |
| korzen | it is rather created while object creation | 15:50 |
| ihrachys | korzen: right. I wouldn't think it's to support. | 15:50 |
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| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: looking | 15:52 |
| ndahiwade | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370452/ This is the patch where the problem was encountered. | 15:52 |
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| ndahiwade | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370452/32/neutron/objects/common_types.py, Temporary solution for neutron until it is accepted in Oslo | 15:53 |
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| ihrachys | not sure I follow. why should oslo.versionedobjects dict-of-strings type access non-strings for values? | 15:54 |
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| electrocucaracha | apparently the configurations field is not accepting dict as valid type | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | seems like instead we may need to define a new type that would allow any values | 15:55 |
| ndahiwade | http://paste.openstack.org/show/592124/ | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | electrocucaracha: it's not configurations field issue, but the fact that in your dict, one of key values is not a string but another dict | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | that's bridge_mappings | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | so you have two levels of dicts | 15:55 |
| ihrachys | while the type from the library is for a single layer dict | 15:56 |
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| ndahiwade | http://paste.openstack.org/show/591831/ | 15:56 |
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| ndahiwade | ihrachys^^ this is the error for list type not accepted | 15:56 |
| * electrocucaracha doesn't want to be the bad of the movie, but we have less than 3 minutes | 15:57 | |
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| ihrachys | ndahiwade: right, that's because your tunnel_types key has a list value while type allows for strings only | 15:57 |
| ihrachys | we need to define new less-strict type I believe | 15:58 |
| ihrachys | so I probably agree with the direction for the neutron patch but I don't believe it's oslo issue. | 15:58 |
| ihrachys | maybe we just use wrong type | 15:58 |
| manjeets | 1 | 15:59 |
| ndahiwade | ihrachys: Okay,thanks | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: plus or minus? :) | 15:59 |
| manjeets | 1 minute left ....lol | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | ok :) | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | thanks guys! | 15:59 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| korzen | thanks | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 12 15:59:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-12-12-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| manjeets | thanks | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-12-12-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_upgrades/2016/neutron_upgrades.2016-12-12-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
| ndahiwade | thanks:) | 15:59 |
| harlowja_at_home | #startmeeting oslo | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 12 16:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja_at_home. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 16:00 |
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| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, dansmith, dhellmann, dims | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb, GheRivero | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti, kragniz | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor, redrobot, rloo | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak, stevemar | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | courtesy ping for therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 16:00 |
| rpodolyaka | o/ | 16:00 |
| electrocucaracha | howdy | 16:00 |
| johnsom | o/ | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | hi there :) | 16:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 16:00 |
| gcb | o/ | 16:00 |
| tovin07_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 16:00 |
| ozamiatin_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 16:00 |
| harlowja_at_home | hi hi | 16:01 |
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| harlowja_at_home | let's get this show on the road :-P | 16:01 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 16:01 |
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| bknudson | Nothing for keystone that I know of. | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | sweet | 16:02 |
| gcb | nothing from Nova, and Glance seems don't claim support python 3, its py27 period task works well | 16:02 |
| johnsom | Nothing from Octavia | 16:02 |
| toabctl | hi | 16:02 |
| rloo | ironic sees green for the upcoming holidays | 16:02 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:02 |
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| johnsom | Yeah, our biggest issue right now is the diskimage-builder breakages, so oslo is off the hook | 16:03 |
| harlowja_at_home | cool cool, only thing that i see going on is http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/g/build_name/periodic-cinder-py27-with-oslo-master which I am thinking is due to a tooz change that got merged recently | 16:03 |
| * harlowja_at_home is poking jd to see if he knows anything about that | 16:03 | |
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| amrith | ./ | 16:04 |
| amrith | sorry I'm late; no red flags from trove. | 16:05 |
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| harlowja_at_home | amrith, cool thanks :) | 16:05 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Releases for ocata | 16:05 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anyone need a specific library release? :) | 16:06 |
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| harlowja_at_home | (tooz i'm going to have to look into before that goes out) | 16:06 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ok, assuming I will just release all of them then (once I figure out tooz fix) | 16:08 |
| harlowja_at_home | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | just a reminder for releases 'Jan 16-20 Final release for non-client libraries' | 16:08 |
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| harlowja_at_home | that may only be a couple more releases (due to people, including me being out) | 16:09 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic The holidays | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "The holidays (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 16:09 | |
| harlowja_at_home | which dove tails nicely into the next topic :) | 16:10 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i am thinking that we cancel the next 2 meetings, i at least will be out and my guess is most people will be also :) | 16:10 |
| harlowja_at_home | sound ok to folks? | 16:11 |
| tovin07_ | you guys away from irc too? | 16:11 |
| electrocucaracha | if not they should be out hehehe | 16:11 |
| johnsom | Sounds good to me | 16:11 |
| kgiusti | +1 | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | tovin07, probably :) | 16:11 |
| electrocucaracha | +1 | 16:11 |
| rloo | ++ | 16:11 |
| harlowja_at_home | i'll be in missouri then in upstate NY; so may or may not have internet at the right times, ha | 16:12 |
| tovin07_ | harlowja_at_home, +1 | 16:12 |
| ozamiatin_ | harlowja_at_home +1 | 16:12 |
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| harlowja_at_home | okie dokie, cool | 16:12 |
| gcb | +1 | 16:12 |
| harlowja_at_home | might actually be the next 3 meetings but let's wait and see on that | 16:13 |
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| harlowja_at_home | cause the last meeting is jan 2 | 16:13 |
| harlowja_at_home | but let's wait and see about that one :) | 16:14 |
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| harlowja_at_home | #topic Reviews needing review | 16:15 |
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| harlowja_at_home | any reviews people want to bring up :) | 16:15 |
| harlowja_at_home | bring your review, any review, ha | 16:15 |
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| gcb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390875/ | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | ok, nobody has any reviews, ha | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | ah, phew | 16:17 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:17 |
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| gcb | I want to discuss if we can accept that code ? I'm concern about involving more dependencies | 16:18 |
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| harlowja_at_home | right right | 16:19 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://github.com/openstack/oslo.utils/blob/master/oslo_utils/netutils.py#L101-L113 seems pretty dinky | 16:20 |
| harlowja_at_home | so ya, i agree, not sure that all of oslo.utils is needed for 2 lines :-P | 16:20 |
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| * harlowja_at_home will add a comment to the review now that I understand better, thanks gcb :) | 16:21 | |
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| gcb | yeah, thanks harlowja_at_home | 16:21 |
| * rloo doesn't know what gcb & harlowja_at_home are talking about but has faith they know what they are talking about | 16:21 | |
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| harlowja_at_home | :-P | 16:22 |
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| tovin07_ | lol | 16:22 |
| gcb | rloo, just about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390875/ how to trade off :-) | 16:22 |
| * johnsom Adds a note to switch our method and move over the is ipv6_lla method. | 16:23 | |
| harlowja_at_home | eck | 16:23 |
| rloo | gcb: ah, thx for the link | 16:23 |
| harlowja_at_home | johnsom need more things up in netaddr, not in oslo.utils, ha | 16:24 |
| johnsom | Yeah, well this is just a wrapper on a few netaddr calls | 16:24 |
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| johnsom | Probably a good point | 16:24 |
| harlowja_at_home | must not turn oslo.utils into oslo-incubator v2, lol | 16:25 |
| gcb | lol | 16:25 |
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| bknudson | pretty much everything depends on oslo.utils. | 16:26 |
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| bknudson | its oslo.utils that should have fewer dependencies. | 16:26 |
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| harlowja_at_home | agreed, we need to figure out how to do that eventually :) | 16:27 |
| harlowja_at_home | #topic Open discussion | 16:27 |
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| harlowja_at_home | sounds like a good topic for next PTG or summit (or both, ha) | 16:27 |
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| harlowja_at_home | anything else anyone wants to bring up for this week?? :) | 16:29 |
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| gcb | nothing now , boss :-) | 16:31 |
| electrocucaracha | harlowja_at_home: I saw some progress on the python-kafka change, it's something that we have to be aware | 16:31 |
| harlowja_at_home | electrocucaracha, agreed | 16:32 |
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| * electrocucaracha shouldn't be kafka-python? | 16:32 | |
| harlowja_at_home | seems like sileht has been busy with https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.messaging+branch:master+topic:sileht/kafka-fix | 16:33 |
| harlowja_at_home | the monsaca changes or analysis though hasn't happened yet right? | 16:34 |
| harlowja_at_home | (performance analysis) | 16:34 |
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| * kgiusti needs to goto school - pickup sick daughter 2.0. ttyl.... | 16:35 | |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:35 |
| harlowja_at_home | good luck | 16:35 |
| kgiusti | ty | 16:35 |
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| harlowja_at_home | i'll poke the email thread around kafka and oslo.messaging electrocucaracha ; there was some discussion from what i remember still going on about the versions | 16:35 |
| electrocucaracha | thanks harlowja_at_home | 16:37 |
| harlowja_at_home | np | 16:37 |
| sileht | harlowja_at_home, it seems to work, but I can't get functional tests pass | 16:37 |
| sileht | harlowja_at_home, something due to the way kafka process messages (async/batch) | 16:38 |
| sileht | If I put sleep(100) before the listener startup and notification sent they passed :p | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | interesting :) | 16:39 |
| sileht | (I means between the listener startup and notification sent) | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | right | 16:39 |
| harlowja_at_home | i wonder why | 16:39 |
| sileht | I'm guissing to many times to elect a leader | 16:40 |
| sileht | but I don't see this lag when I use the simulator | 16:40 |
| sileht | harlowja_at_home, also gordc is working of fixing kombu 4 breakage | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, kombu 4 seemed to bust alot of things, ha | 16:41 |
| harlowja_at_home | thanks sileht (i'll see if i can get a coworker to look into the kafka reviews as well, maybe he can help out a little bit) | 16:41 |
| sileht | cool :) | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | thanks btw for helping get that fixed up | 16:42 |
| harlowja_at_home | alright anything else anyone wants to bring up? | 16:44 |
| sileht | I wonder how to update the requirement for kombu4 | 16:44 |
| sileht | oslo.messaging now uses constraints | 16:44 |
| harlowja_at_home | hmmm | 16:44 |
| sileht | changing the req to >4.0 will force to change upper-constraints | 16:44 |
| sileht | chaning upper-constraints means break everything .... | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | lol | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya | 16:45 |
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| sileht | we can't change only oslo.messaging since we gate on upper-constraints | 16:45 |
| sileht | ENOENDLOOP | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, i wonder if dhellmann has any brilliant ideas here :) | 16:45 |
| harlowja_at_home | seems like https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.txt#L86 just blocks kombu4 | 16:46 |
| sileht | yeah but the API change a bit | 16:46 |
| sileht | And I don't talk about project than usess directly kombu<4 | 16:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | ya, seems like we'll have to approach this one carefully | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | perhaps when https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409294/ is ready we can start a ML thread asking about how to merge that and how to lift the version | 16:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | and who that might affect | 16:49 |
| * harlowja_at_home isn't sure who is using kombu directly vs using it through oslo.messaging anymore | 16:49 | |
| harlowja_at_home | i know there are a few | 16:49 |
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| harlowja_at_home | sileht, i'll see if i can find doug a little bit later, and perhaps get a strategy for this | 16:50 |
| sileht | yep | 16:51 |
| sileht | that's all I have | 16:51 |
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| harlowja_at_home | cool | 16:51 |
| harlowja_at_home | alright folks, guess we will see everyone back in here in a few weeks :) | 16:52 |
| harlowja_at_home | have a great holiday(s), vacation, whatever else u are doing :-P | 16:52 |
| tovin07_ | +1 | 16:53 |
| electrocucaracha | thanks you too | 16:54 |
| harlowja_at_home | :) | 16:54 |
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| harlowja_at_home | alright, off into #openstack-oslo if anyone needs me (or others) | 16:54 |
| harlowja_at_home | thanks folks for showing up :) | 16:54 |
| harlowja_at_home | #endmeeting | 16:54 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/oslo/2016/oslo.2016-12-12-16.00.html | 16:54 |
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| redrobot | #startmeeting barbican | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 12 20:00:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is redrobot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'barbican' | 20:00 |
| redrobot | #topic Roll Call | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:00 | |
| redrobot | o/ | 20:00 |
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| * redrobot waves at woodster_ | 20:01 | |
| woodster_ | hello! | 20:01 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 20:01 |
| redrobot | maybe a short meeting if it's just me and woodster_ | 20:02 |
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| woodster_ | oh wow, not a lot of Barbicaneers today | 20:03 |
| redrobot | hehe yeah | 20:03 |
| woodster_ | I figured I missed everyone else's o/ or \o | 20:03 |
| woodster_ | are you still doing barbican work then? | 20:03 |
| woodster_ | full time that is | 20:03 |
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| kfarr | o/ | 20:04 |
| redrobot | kfarr \o/ | 20:04 |
| woodster_ | afternoon kfarr | 20:04 |
| redrobot | as usual the agenda can be found here: | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Barbican#Agenda | 20:04 |
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| redrobot | okay, let's get started | 20:04 |
| redrobot | #topic Ocata Work Items | 20:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata Work Items (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:05 | |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-tracker-ocata | 20:05 |
| redrobot | looks like we have an etherpad for tracking the ocata work | 20:05 |
| * redrobot bookmarks the etherpad | 20:05 | |
| redrobot | milestone 2 is coming up this week | 20:06 |
| redrobot | is there something pending that needs to be reviewed/landed before m2? | 20:06 |
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| kfarr | for barbican or python-barbicanclient or both? | 20:07 |
| redrobot | kfarr just barbican | 20:08 |
| kfarr | ok, then no :) | 20:08 |
| redrobot | cool deal | 20:08 |
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| redrobot | #info dmccowan will release m2 Tuesday Dec 13 | 20:09 |
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| redrobot | #topic Rescheduling the weekly IRC meeting | 20:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rescheduling the weekly IRC meeting (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:09 | |
| redrobot | We have an etherpad poll to find a new time slot that is more convenient for contributors outside the US | 20:10 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican-irc-meeting-time | 20:10 |
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| redrobot | please take some time to fill out so we can find a time slot that works for more folks | 20:11 |
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| redrobot | new time will be used starting in 2017 | 20:12 |
| redrobot | I'm sure dmccowan will send out an email to the dev list once we pick the new slot | 20:12 |
| jmckind | o/ | 20:13 |
| redrobot | any questions/comments about picking a new meeting time for next year? | 20:13 |
| * redrobot waves at jmckind | 20:13 | |
| redrobot | ok moving on | 20:13 |
| redrobot | #topic Project Team Gathering (PTG) | 20:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Project Team Gathering (PTG) (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:14 | |
| redrobot | Please RSVP if you'll be able to make it | 20:14 |
| redrobot | we have an etherpad to track who's going and what topics we should talk about | 20:14 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-barbican-pike | 20:14 |
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| redrobot | I've got my fingers crossed I'll get to go. | 20:15 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:16 |
| redrobot | #topic Tempest Testing | 20:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest Testing (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:16 | |
| redrobot | I haven't been following this super closely | 20:17 |
| redrobot | let's see | 20:17 |
| redrobot | we have a new repo for tempest tests | 20:17 |
| redrobot | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/barbican-tempest-plugin/ | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | we also have an etherpad to track the work being done | 20:17 |
| redrobot | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/barbican_tempest_plugin | 20:17 |
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| redrobot | I think the goal for this plugin repo is to be able to test barbican integration with other projects | 20:18 |
| redrobot | like nova, cinder, swift, etc. | 20:18 |
| redrobot | right? | 20:18 |
| kfarr | redrobot, yup! | 20:19 |
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| redrobot | kfarr awesome! definitely a good thing to have | 20:19 |
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| redrobot | not sure if I'm supposed to talk about anything specific about this | 20:21 |
| redrobot | so let's move on! | 20:21 |
| redrobot | #topic Adding ID field to all entities | 20:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding ID field to all entities (Meeting topic: barbican)" | 20:21 | |
| redrobot | we talked about this at the last summit | 20:21 |
| redrobot | basically we're weird for using URIs instead of UUIDs | 20:22 |
| redrobot | looks like mkoderer agrees with us and wants to help with adding UUIDs to API responses | 20:22 |
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| redrobot | one of my goals was to get this to happen for Ocata | 20:22 |
| redrobot | because it would help fix an annoying bug in python-openstacksdk | 20:23 |
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| woodster_ | so no more HATEAOS urls? | 20:24 |
| woodster_ | doesn't require v2 bump? | 20:25 |
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| redrobot | woodster_ I think that the idea is to keep the HATEOAS links, but also add a new field that has only the UUID | 20:25 |
| woodster_ | ah got it, makes sense | 20:26 |
| redrobot | It should fall under "acceptable when conditionally added as a new API extension" thus no version bump | 20:26 |
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| redrobot | #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/evaluating_api_changes.html#guidance | 20:26 |
| redrobot | I'll try to catch mkoderer on the barbican channel at some point to coordinate | 20:28 |
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| redrobot | ok, moving on | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | #topic Code review requests | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | link away, friends! | 20:30 |
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| redrobot | one at a time, please! not all at once! ;) | 20:33 |
| redrobot | The new repo looks like it has a couple of pending patches: | 20:33 |
| redrobot | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/barbican-tempest-plugin | 20:33 |
| redrobot | don't forget to add it to your favorite repos on gerrit | 20:34 |
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| woodster_ | no big feature CRs lurking out there? | 20:34 |
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| kfarr | I have one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400370/ | 20:34 |
| kfarr | not sure why my test is failing though | 20:34 |
| redrobot | kfarr added to my review queue | 20:38 |
| redrobot | alrighty y'all | 20:38 |
| redrobot | any last minute topics before we call it a day? | 20:38 |
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| redrobot | cool deal, thanks for coming everyone! | 20:43 |
| redrobot | #endmeeting | 20:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 12 20:43:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-12-12-20.00.html | 20:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-12-12-20.00.txt | 20:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/barbican/2016/barbican.2016-12-12-20.00.log.html | 20:43 |
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| CarolBarrett | #startmeeting product_working_group | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 12 21:01:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is CarolBarrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 21:01 |
| CarolBarrett | Hi Folks - Who's here for the Product WG Meeting? | 21:01 |
| piet | o/ | 21:01 |
| MeganR | o/ | 21:01 |
| leong | o/ | 21:01 |
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| CarolBarrett | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 21:02 |
| shamail | hi everyone | 21:02 |
| CarolBarrett | Here's where you can find the agenda for today | 21:02 |
| kencjohnston | o/ | 21:03 |
| CarolBarrett | Hi Shamail | 21:03 |
| iphutch | o/ | 21:03 |
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| CarolBarrett | Let's get going | 21:03 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 21:04 |
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| CarolBarrett | #topic US Project Update & DIscussion | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "US Project Update & DIscussion (Meeting topic: product_working_group)" | 21:04 | |
| CarolBarrett | Piet: Can you start this one? | 21:04 |
| leong | u mean UX... | 21:04 |
| piet | Sure | 21:04 |
| piet | Where to start... | 21:04 |
| piet | So, Friday will be my last day with Intel | 21:04 |
| piet | We should probably talk about the future of the UX within OpenStack | 21:04 |
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| piet | I doubt that someone will pick-up the project | 21:05 |
| GeraldK | hi | 21:05 |
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| piet | Carol and I did have a conversation with the foundation about having a UXer join the foundation staff, but skeptical | 21:06 |
| GeraldK | sorry to hear that. | 21:06 |
| CarolBarrett | If there is an interest in continuing this Project in the Community, a new PTL will be needed.... | 21:06 |
| shamail | Piet: What are the activities being led by UX currently? | 21:07 |
| piet | Any thoughts? There will not be anyone conducting formal user studies on behalf of the community | 21:07 |
| leong | and who are the active UX contributors? | 21:07 |
| piet | shamail we just completed a study with operators to discuss deployment | 21:08 |
| piet | leong About a month ago It was Danielle and I | 21:08 |
| piet | leong Now it's just me | 21:08 |
| shamail | Thanks piet, so nothing is in the pipeline? I was hoping we could have some activities to list that will no longer happen. | 21:09 |
| piet | We're also doing work for the docs team on a page redesign | 21:09 |
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| piet | I can check | 21:09 |
| GeraldK | there is a long list of UX cores. no one active anymore? | 21:09 |
| shamail | Thanks, I think we should compile that list and then send an email to the openstack mailing lists to gauge overall interest/support and build a plan from there | 21:10 |
| piet | Naw..we transitioned to research activities, so needed more specialization | 21:10 |
| shamail | Not doing any work for Horizon anymore? | 21:10 |
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| piet | Our burn rate was about one study per month. And there werre also activities around personas and patterns libraries | 21:11 |
| iphutch | What other means/groups do we have reaching out to receive feedback from users? | 21:11 |
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| piet | iphutch user committee, but the data is a bit different. OpenStack UX tended to do deep dives on specific tops such as deplpyment | 21:12 |
| piet | Quotas was another are of focus. | 21:12 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | can foundation help with surveys? | 21:12 |
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| piet | Potentially, but they're kind of strapped for time | 21:13 |
| shamail | Personas, Quotas, User Journey, OSClient Usability, etc. are some of the contributions I can recall over the last year. | 21:13 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I am thinking about heidi? | 21:13 |
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| piet | We were also asked to create a research framework for the hackathons so they could collect data on the efficacy of the training | 21:13 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: Different scope, they could but the current foundation-led surveys focus on the aggregate community whereas UX would hold research studies with specific target audiences on more detailed topics (such as how do orgs use quotas, what is the common deployment model and associated challenges, etc.) | 21:14 |
| mrhillsman | i found benefit in the recent operator survey conducted by ux team | 21:14 |
| CarolBarrett | I like Shamail's suggestion to create a list of activities - both completed in 2016 and underway or anticipated | 21:14 |
| iphutch | a list of areas for deep dives | 21:15 |
| piet | Arkady_Kanevsky Heidi could do they work, but she's a bit overwhelmed | 21:15 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | thanks for clarity | 21:15 |
| shamail | I think that would help showcase the value provided by the UX team as well as what will be missed if it doesn’t move forward into 2017 | 21:15 |
| mrhillsman | and can see a space for ux team assisting in gathering same type of feedback from or helping to frame gathering feedback from operators of the many working groups | 21:15 |
| piet | There is value in both operator and application developer studies because the current user survey is very general | 21:15 |
| mrhillsman | in light of the way it has been discussed an increase in app/end-user/operator feedback for openstack at large | 21:16 |
| CarolBarrett | Piet: Will you take the AR to create a summary of the 2016 project deliverables, current projects and plans? | 21:16 |
| piet | mrhillsman I think there are a ton of things that UX could drive within the foundation, but I think they maybe concerned that more projects will ask to be added to the staff | 21:17 |
| iphutch | There is absolutely value added with this type of research, it should be showcased | 21:17 |
| piet | CarolBarrett Sure | 21:17 |
| leong | +1 to shamail and carolbarrett comments about UX past deliverables and future plans | 21:17 |
| CarolBarrett | Thanks | 21:17 |
| CarolBarrett | #action Piet create a summary of the 2016 project deliverables, current projects and plans | 21:18 |
| piet | iphutch I've kind of felt that we really don't have deep information for our users | 21:18 |
| CarolBarrett | Piet: Do you want to get feedback from this group 1st or just send the Summary on the Dev and UC mailists? | 21:18 |
| piet | CarolBarrett I'll send to you first | 21:19 |
| piet | Or, rather, PWG | 21:19 |
| CarolBarrett | #action Piet to send Summary to PWG Mail list, to gather feedback then to Dev and UC mail lists | 21:19 |
| CarolBarrett | Thanks Piet. | 21:19 |
| piet | Note that I only have so much time left | 21:20 |
| CarolBarrett | Other ideas on actions that should be taken? | 21:20 |
| piet | carol User Stories? | 21:20 |
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| CarolBarrett | Piet: Have you thought about asking for time on Tomorrow's TC meeting to discuss? | 21:20 |
| piet | Yeah, I would really like ideas on how to keep UX around | 21:20 |
| Rockyg | SORRY i'M LATE | 21:21 |
| Rockyg | soory for capslock | 21:21 |
| piet | CarolBarrett Sure, as long as it doesn't overlap with my interview with AWS (just kidding...) | 21:21 |
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| CarolBarrett | Piet: LOL | 21:21 |
| piet | Sorry...Azure | 21:21 |
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| piet | CarolBarrett User Stories? | 21:22 |
| CarolBarrett | Piet: If you're interested in that, suggest you reach out to Thierry ASAP - he has published the agenda for tomorrow. | 21:22 |
| CarolBarrett | Yes, let's move on to User stories | 21:22 |
| piet | CarolBarrett Kk | 21:22 |
| piet | I've added four user stories thanks to the repo | 21:23 |
| piet | Need some feedback | 21:23 |
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| piet | Also, wanting to add a few more, but wanted feedback from the team | 21:23 |
| piet | To avoid overlap | 21:23 |
| CarolBarrett | Piet: Can you post the review links here? | 21:24 |
| piet | Sure | 21:24 |
| piet | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409878/ | 21:24 |
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| piet | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407735/ | 21:24 |
| piet | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409873/ | 21:25 |
| CarolBarrett | Thanks - can you be more specific on the type of feedback you're looking for? | 21:25 |
| piet | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409877/ | 21:25 |
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| piet | CarolBarrett What needs clarification and whether there is perceived overlap with other user stories | 21:25 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | piet, I will review them tonight | 21:26 |
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| piet | Have a few ore I want to post, but want to make sure there is goodness before I take the time to write them | 21:26 |
| CarolBarrett | Got it - Can everyone look at these in the next 24 hrs to give Piet feedback? | 21:26 |
| kencjohnston | piet: I'll review them today as well. | 21:26 |
| piet | HAs anyone created a story around the project owner role? | 21:26 |
| leong | quick questions: who will be the "user story owner" to drive those new user story submitted by Piet? | 21:27 |
| CarolBarrett | #action All review Piet's need User Stories and provide feedback by Noon on Tuesday. | 21:27 |
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| CarolBarrett | leong: Good question! | 21:27 |
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| piet | Can I transfer them to leong? | 21:27 |
| leong | i don't have the extra capacity to drive more user story at current stage, given my current workloads | 21:28 |
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| piet | leong worth a shot | 21:28 |
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| CarolBarrett | :) | 21:28 |
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| piet | Any thoughts on how to transfer? | 21:29 |
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| Rockyg | Let's get the stories in the repo then we can do more recruiting. | 21:30 |
| piet | Kk It'll be under my name for the near future | 21:30 |
| CarolBarrett | I think we'll need to find someone who has a common interest | 21:30 |
| Rockyg | But, yeah, project owner would be a good persona | 21:30 |
| CarolBarrett | Rockyg: Would you be interested in leading the Logging one? | 21:30 |
| iphutch | I can assist sed person | 21:30 |
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| piet | CarolBarrett Should we discuss stories that I would like to add? | 21:31 |
| jamemcc | FYi - Jamey here from LCOO - | 21:31 |
| jamemcc | We'll look deeper into Logging User Story - but the area in general is one we are interested in | 21:31 |
| GeraldK | I will review them tomorrow. | 21:31 |
| Rockyg | I need to figure out how much bandwidth I have. I overstretched and started getting nothing but meetings done. But, I might have someone who could own it | 21:31 |
| CarolBarrett | iphutch: Were you raising your hand for the Logging User Story? | 21:32 |
| CarolBarrett | Piet: Sure | 21:32 |
| iphutch | I don't have enough background to own but can help | 21:32 |
| Rockyg | jamemcc, LCOO? | 21:32 |
| CarolBarrett | iphutch: Thanks | 21:32 |
| piet | CarolBarrett For the record, logging is a big problem. Has been mentioned across studies unprompted | 21:33 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | piet, are you responsible for CPL for any projects? | 21:33 |
| CarolBarrett | Piet: What are the other stories you are working on? | 21:33 |
| piet | "As a project owner, I would like to add and remove users from my project" | 21:33 |
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| AndyU | LCOO is a new working group. Good potential synergies with this one. | 21:33 |
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| Rockyg | Yeah. NEC is also interested. A bunch of others. I want to get the log wg kicked off again, but....time | 21:34 |
| MeganR | LCOO was formalized as a new WG in Barcelona | 21:34 |
| leong | LCOO = Large Contributing OpenStack Operators | 21:34 |
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| piet | LCOO? | 21:34 |
| CarolBarrett | We need to wrap this topic up | 21:34 |
| CarolBarrett | Piet: what are the actions we need taken? | 21:34 |
| Rockyg | Ah. Thanks. Yeah. I'd love to make my info more available to folks. Maybe we could have a focused m eeting | 21:35 |
| piet | I just need approval from the team to submit | 21:35 |
| piet | CarolBarrett If the team sees value in "As a project owner, I would like to add and remove users from my project" | 21:35 |
| CarolBarrett | Piet: Is the project owner and OpenStack PTL or ? | 21:35 |
| piet | It's a proposed role | 21:36 |
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| Rockyg | CarolBarrett, I suspect piet means the tenant project owner. So cloud owner within a larger cloud | 21:36 |
| piet | The idea is take the burden off of operators and allow a project owner to add/remove users | 21:36 |
| CarolBarrett | Piet: Go ahead and submit it and we'll use the review process to clarify and decide if we want to advance it. | 21:37 |
| CarolBarrett | OK? | 21:37 |
| Rockyg | Should also set quotas for their owned space, etc. Like a mini dev op | 21:37 |
| piet | Rockyg Tenant = domain? Or tenant = project? | 21:37 |
| Rockyg | tenant=project | 21:37 |
| Rockyg | or domain. | 21:38 |
| leong | carolbarrett.. next topic :-) | 21:38 |
| Rockyg | Both are similar. | 21:38 |
| piet | Rockyg yep | 21:38 |
| CarolBarrett | Yup, let's move on... | 21:38 |
| Rockyg | Changes by type of root cloud | 21:38 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic Midcycle Location Update | 21:38 |
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| CarolBarrett | Pete, Leong, Shamail, Rocky..and anyone else - any news on potential locations for our midcycle in Milan? | 21:39 |
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| Rockyg | Dang. Forgot to ask Anni about office in Milan. She's been traveling crazy | 21:39 |
| Rockyg | So, I'll talk with her today/tomorrow. | 21:39 |
| shamail | I am working with the team at the IBM Client Center in Milan, so far I am sharing details of what we would need… waiting to hear back… most likely in January | 21:39 |
| Rockyg | We also maybe could sponsor a room in a hotel for a couple days. | 21:39 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-spring-2017 | 21:39 |
| mrhillsman | i had a question around this, would pwg spend like an extra day or two or work in like the evening or off-ops-midcycle hours? | 21:40 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | , via Stefanardo da Vimercate 28, 20128 Milano (Mi) Italy | 21:40 |
| shamail | The IBM Client Center is a little outside the city but transportation could be provided to the nearest train station | 21:40 |
| leong | i just drop email to Tom this morning... but when i googling around.. looks like at the ops location, the price is around 200-300 euro per room per day | 21:40 |
| Rockyg | mrhillsman, two days before or after. No time during | 21:40 |
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| leong | for a room of 15 people | 21:41 |
| Rockyg | leong, That's not bad. | 21:41 |
| mrhillsman | thx | 21:41 |
| CarolBarrett | Leong: That's not too bad | 21:41 |
| Rockyg | Does that include coffee? | 21:41 |
| mrhillsman | hehe | 21:41 |
| shamail | That’s not bad at all | 21:41 |
| mrhillsman | if not, it is a rip off | 21:41 |
| leong | i also realized that Intel has a sales/marketing office at Milan? | 21:41 |
| kencjohnston | mrhillsman: +1 | 21:41 |
| shamail | That would allow us to stay in the same area | 21:41 |
| leong | i estimate we will not exceed 20 people? | 21:42 |
| CarolBarrett | Leong: Really? I didn't find anything when I looked. Let's chat about this! | 21:42 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: +1 | 21:42 |
| shamail | mrhillsman: 2 days after would be great | 21:42 |
| shamail | I’ll know more about the IBM options soon | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | are we before or after 15-16? | 21:42 |
| shamail | afte | 21:42 |
| shamail | r | 21:42 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | That will be Fr and Saturday | 21:42 |
| leong | yes CarolBarrett, i can book a meeting room at Milan office :-) | 21:42 |
| CarolBarrett | leong: Interesting | 21:42 |
| leong | but just need to find out where the exact location is | 21:42 |
| CarolBarrett | arkady_Kanevsky: We are planning on Wed/Thurs after Ops | 21:43 |
| leong | carol, i think u mean before ops | 21:43 |
| CarolBarrett | Thanks for the Updates, we'll revisit this after the holidays. | 21:43 |
| leong | ops is Wed and Thur | 21:43 |
| CarolBarrett | Leong: Thanks! | 21:43 |
| shamail | I thought ops is on 14, 15… etherpad says 15-16? | 21:43 |
| CarolBarrett | Let's move to the next topic | 21:43 |
| shamail | err 13, 14 but etherpad is 15, 16.. | 21:44 |
| shamail | k, thanks CarolBarrett | 21:44 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic Work Group Name | 21:44 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | March 15-16 2017 is Wed & Th - proposed days for Ops | 21:44 |
| mrhillsman | 15-16 | 21:44 |
| CarolBarrett | kencjohnston: Can you lead this? | 21:44 |
| shamail | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/product-wg/2016-December/001345.html | 21:44 |
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| kencjohnston | CarolBarrett: Sure one sec | 21:44 |
| kencjohnston | TL;DR - I suggested we rename to "User Story Team" for three reasons. 1) We are more of a team than a working group (if you define working group as something short lived) 2) We might scare people off who don't consider themselves "Product people" 3) We need to focus on reviewing, refining and promoting User Stories | 21:45 |
| kencjohnston | The feedback I heard was: 1) We do more than just publish user stories (roadmap being the primary example) 2) People are already familiar with our name so no need to change it | 21:45 |
| kencjohnston | I'll rescind my proposal to rename. But I do want to bring up the fact that we need to provide more focus to the core component of our mission, creating, reviewing, publishing and promoting user stories to the technical community. May I suggest we have a permanent part at the start of our weekly agenda to review all open User Story reviews? Thoughts? | 21:45 |
| piet | kencjohnston agreed | 21:45 |
| CarolBarrett | kencjohnston: I think that's a good idea! | 21:45 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:46 |
| leong | +1 to add User story as weekly agenda | 21:46 |
| CarolBarrett | #action Carol add a standing agenda item to review Open User Story reviews in our weekly team meetings | 21:46 |
| kencjohnston | +1 Cool, thanks team! | 21:47 |
| CarolBarrett | Anything else on this? | 21:47 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: +1 on that | 21:47 |
| kencjohnston | errr... workign group :) | 21:47 |
| AndyU | This group does seem to better meet the definition of "team" than "working group" | 21:47 |
| CarolBarrett | If not, we'll move on to....Review Open User Story reviews.... | 21:47 |
| Rockyg | ++ on agenda having weekly review of stories | 21:47 |
| MeganR | Do we want to split the so to speak difference and become the "Product Team"? | 21:47 |
| shamail | CarolBarrett: Please add this link to weekly agendas https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/openstack-user-stories | 21:47 |
| shamail | This will show all open changes | 21:48 |
| Rockyg | I like "team" | 21:48 |
| CarolBarrett | shamail: Will do! | 21:48 |
| shamail | I like staying as Product but impartial to Team or WG honestly. | 21:48 |
| Rockyg | Excellent. | 21:48 |
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| shamail | Wiki is “Product Team”, mailing list and meeting is “product wg” | 21:48 |
| shamail | currently | 21:48 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I am with shamail on name | 21:48 |
| Rockyg | The way dev does review is high priority then ones that people need help on. Like reviews | 21:49 |
| piet | Aren't working groups supposed to temporary? I would tend to assume that the product folks are going to be around for a while, so better to move away from "working group" | 21:49 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | what are other teams in openstack? | 21:49 |
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| Rockyg | The thing about staying with wg at least for meetings is that all the logs are under product_wg | 21:49 |
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| shamail | piet: It is written that way in the charter but, in reality, the name (WG or Team) doesn’t put a group in WG or Functional Team category…its mission does. | 21:49 |
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| piet | shamail Kk | 21:50 |
| kencjohnston | Rockyg: How do we determine/define priority? | 21:50 |
| GeraldK | +1 to keep PWG name. people know about it. | 21:50 |
| leong | #link UC definition of team/wg: https://github.com/openstack/governance-uc/blob/master/reference/charter.rst#structure---functional-teams | 21:50 |
| shamail | As kencjohnston suggested, let’s drop the rename for now. We can revisit at midcycle once the new UC is well underway? | 21:50 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: +1 | 21:50 |
| leong | +1 | 21:51 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:51 |
| Rockyg | that's a discussion we should have. But, the ones scheduled for this cycle.... | 21:51 |
| MeganR | +1 | 21:51 |
| CarolBarrett | shamail: +1 | 21:51 |
| CarolBarrett | We have 10 mins left - Can we look at the review summary at the link Shamail gave above? | 21:51 |
| kencjohnston | CarolBarrett: +1 | 21:51 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: Do you know how we should interpret the CR, V and W columns? | 21:51 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: I commented on your user story updates and I saw that you added the reference to HACKING.RST for personas. Are you going to drop the reference from the individual updates? | 21:51 |
| Rockyg | So, review all actively targeted for current cycle, then one people want eyse on for reviews or discussion | 21:52 |
| * kencjohnston hovers and realizes exactly how to interpret them... | 21:52 | |
| leong | V verified W workflow | 21:52 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: I wasn't planning on it. The link is in the user story template at this point | 21:52 |
| shamail | yes kencjohnston: CR = Code Review, V = Jenkins gate verified, W = workflow | 21:52 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: okay, if its there then its +2 from me | 21:53 |
| shamail | that was going to be my next Q | 21:53 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | all -1 need to be updated | 21:53 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | Ken arre oyu handling W? | 21:53 |
| shamail | Did we decide whether we are just implementing personas for now or also model companies? | 21:53 |
| GeraldK | I plan to submit a patch to add UX persona to the capacity mgmt user story. | 21:53 |
| * shamail asks to determine whether he should approve now or wait for a company be to associated | 21:54 | |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | I also have 1 more persona UX chnage in progress | 21:54 |
| shamail | Arkady_Kanevsky: Most Workflow -1s are from the author… meaning they aren’t ready for review yet | 21:54 |
| CarolBarrett | shamail: I think we decided yes on Persona's...but there was more discussion required on model companies | 21:54 |
| shamail | CarolBarrett: Thanks | 21:54 |
| kencjohnston | shamail: The company was tricky for me, and suggest we postpone adding them. | 21:54 |
| shamail | kencjohnston: +1 | 21:54 |
| kencjohnston | CarolBarrett: +1 | 21:54 |
| piet | +1 | 21:54 |
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| GeraldK | +1 to approve personas without companies | 21:55 |
| piet | Important, though | 21:55 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | can oyu define what is proposed for company? | 21:55 |
| * shamail thinks sneaky piet isn’t so sneaky when his reviews are at the top of the list | 21:55 | |
| kencjohnston | It seems like some of the discussion on those reviews is around, "How should we reference UX Personas here." | 21:55 |
| kencjohnston | Can we all agree on the following model | 21:55 |
| piet | shamail People call me "sweet Piet" which I don't like... | 21:55 |
| shamail | :) | 21:55 |
| shamail | I’ll review the open (WF > -1) changes in the next couple of days | 21:56 |
| kencjohnston | 1) Reference the fact that all use cases will utilize the UX personas | 21:56 |
| kencjohnston | 2) Link to the individual personas on first usage | 21:56 |
| kencjohnston | That's how i structured the User Story Template and the changes I submitted | 21:56 |
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| shamail | kencjohnston: +1, that is great guidance | 21:56 |
| kencjohnston | Since the User STory template merged I didn't think it would be controversial | 21:56 |
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| CarolBarrett | #agree All use cases will utilize the UX personas; Link to the individual personas on first usage | 21:57 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 - that is the model I followed | 21:58 |
| kencjohnston | CarolBarrett: +1 thanks | 21:58 |
| leong | let's get all the changes to UX personas done first for this week.. then next meeting we can review other story | 21:58 |
| CarolBarrett | 2 mins left - we all have the action to review Piet's user stories in the next day, and others as time permots. | 21:58 |
| CarolBarrett | leong: +1 | 21:58 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | +1 | 21:58 |
| CarolBarrett | Before we run out of time - any opens? | 21:59 |
| shamail | Meeting next wwek? | 21:59 |
| shamail | week* | 21:59 |
| leong | vacation plan...? | 21:59 |
| shamail | I will be out of office so won’t be here. | 21:59 |
| piet | CarolBarrett More stories to come, but will be a bit lite on content until I receive feedback | 21:59 |
| leong | next meeting agenda. | 21:59 |
| GeraldK | I may not be able to attend next week | 21:59 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I will be away for next 2 weeks and Jan 2 - vacation | 21:59 |
| MeganR | I may also be out. | 21:59 |
| piet | CarolBarrett Deployment Study results presentation on Friday | 21:59 |
| leong | i will be out next 2 weeks as well | 21:59 |
| CarolBarrett | Sounds like we should cancel the meeting on the 19th, 26th and 2nd - yes? | 22:00 |
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| leong | looks like it | 22:00 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | lets cancel call | 22:00 |
| kencjohnston | CarolBarrett: +1 | 22:00 |
| shamail | CarolBarrett: +1 | 22:00 |
| CarolBarrett | Piet: Can you send the details of the meeting on the ML? | 22:00 |
| piet | Yeah | 22:00 |
| leong | happy holiday everyone then! :) | 22:00 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 22:00 |
| MeganR | Happy New Year! | 22:00 |
| CarolBarrett | Thanks everyone - have a great holiday and we'll type again in 2017! | 22:00 |
| piet | Darft Deck here: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/14UerMR4HrXKP_0NE_C-WJ16YQFzgetL1Tmym9FNFzpY/edit?usp=sharing | 22:00 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | happy holidays | 22:00 |
| shamail | ‘Appy ‘Appy Holidays | 22:00 |
| piet | Comment, but don't edit | 22:00 |
| piet | cheers | 22:00 |
| CarolBarrett | Piet: Thanks | 22:00 |
| CarolBarrett | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| leong | piet, u can restrict the type of access | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 12 22:00:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-12-12-21.01.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-12-12-21.01.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2016/product_working_group.2016-12-12-21.01.log.html | 22:01 |
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| Rockyg | Enjoythe time off! | 22:01 |
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| piet | leong I have team members editing | 22:01 |
| leong | if all using google account, u can restrict access to certain people only :) | 22:01 |
| jeblair | greetings minions of gozer the destructor | 22:01 |
| clarkb | ohai | 22:02 |
| rcarrillocruz | o/ | 22:02 |
| jamielennox | o/ | 22:02 |
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| adam_g | heyo | 22:02 |
| auggy | o/ | 22:02 |
| jhesketh | Morning | 22:02 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting zuul | 22:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Dec 12 22:03:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zuul' | 22:03 |
| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Zuul#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 22:03 |
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| pabelanger_ | o/ | 22:03 |
| jlk | o/ | 22:03 |
| jeblair | #link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2016/zuul.2016-12-05-22.02.html | 22:03 |
| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: zuul)" | 22:04 | |
| jeblair | jeblair update nodepool system-config docs with zk info | 22:04 |
| * jesusaur lurks | 22:04 | |
| jeblair | i think that merged? | 22:04 |
| clarkb | I +2'd it iirc | 22:04 |
| fungi | i believe i did too | 22:04 |
| jeblair | yep | 22:04 |
| clarkb | so it shoudl eb close to merging if not merged | 22:04 |
| jeblair | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/nodepool.html | 22:04 |
| jeblair | it's published even! | 22:04 |
| fungi | marvellous! | 22:04 |
| fungi | sometimes this stuff works | 22:05 |
| jeblair | jeblair merge https://review.openstack.org/406342 | 22:05 |
| jeblair | jeblair merge https://review.openstack.org/406411 | 22:05 |
| jeblair | those were merged | 22:05 |
| jeblair | pabelanger test zk disaster scenarios with nodepool-builder | 22:05 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger did that and i think was happy with the result | 22:05 |
| jeblair | pabelanger launch nb02 | 22:05 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: did that as well and i think was happy with that result as well :) | 22:06 |
| fungi | nothing's come crashing down around our ears, so i call that success | 22:06 |
| jeblair | all things done! | 22:06 |
| clarkb | whats our oldest image? | 22:07 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Nodepool Zookeeper work | 22:07 |
| clarkb | or how old is the oldest image | 22:07 |
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| clarkb | (mostly just curious) | 22:07 |
| fungi | clarkb: built or uploaded? | 22:07 |
| clarkb | uploaded | 22:07 |
| clarkb | since its uploading where we have struggled the most in the past and having multiple uploaders should help | 22:07 |
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| fungi | 01:23:03:58 | 22:08 |
| fungi | smells like success to me | 22:08 |
| pabelanger_ | yes, happy here | 22:08 |
| fungi | <2 | 22:08 |
| jeblair | that's right on the nose | 22:08 |
| jeblair | the oldest built image is from around then too | 22:09 |
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| fungi | yeah, so barring deeper wrongness, the new process doesn't seem out-and-out broken anyway | 22:09 |
| clarkb | ya thats a good indicator of general working | 22:09 |
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| jeblair | those action items were all the pre-production blockers; which of course is why we switched it into production on friday | 22:10 |
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| jeblair | i think the next thing was "i send out an email" then merge the branch, then switch prod to master, then start using the v3 branch for the next phase of work | 22:10 |
| fungi | also gave us an opportunity to make sure it's all working before we get too far into milestone week | 22:10 |
| jeblair | (the spec for the next phase landed last week) | 22:10 |
| morgan | o/ | 22:11 |
| jeblair | so how about i send out the email today, merge the branch and switch prod tomorrow? | 22:11 |
| fungi | wfm | 22:11 |
| jeblair | (and we'll also make a release from master sometime in the near future, timing isn't important) | 22:11 |
| clarkb | by switch prod you mean back to master right? | 22:11 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yep | 22:11 |
| clarkb | ya that sounds good | 22:12 |
| jeblair | #action jeblair send email announcing impending merge and release | 22:12 |
| jeblair | #action jeblair switch production to run from master after merge | 22:12 |
| jlk | exciting | 22:12 |
| jlk | we should switch over too | 22:12 |
| jeblair | whee! | 22:12 |
| jeblair | anything else nodepool related? | 22:13 |
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| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Devstack-gate roles refactoring | 22:14 |
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| jeblair | i just put this on the agenda, but did not give rcarrillocruz a heads up about it :) | 22:14 |
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| clarkb | the base three changes of the stack are ready for review and have my +2 on them | 22:15 |
| rcarrillocruz | ah nice | 22:15 |
| jeblair | but i wanted to start calling attention to it, we should probably start thinking about this in parallel with the other efforts | 22:15 |
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| rcarrillocruz | also, if folks are ok with it, i'm more than happy to continue refactoring other stuff than setup_host | 22:15 |
| mordred | it's worth noting something clarkb said in channel about those last week or the week before ... | 22:15 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: my only concern is that we have already had a hard time just with logistics around setup host that if we add more stuff it might be harder not easier | 22:16 |
| rcarrillocruz | unless dmsimard or others have started doing so? | 22:16 |
| mordred | which is that given the functinality they touch - being thorough/careful on reviews of them is extra important | 22:16 |
| jeblair | (it's kind of our "premier" job, so it'll be good to have this ready as a demonstration of what v3 can do when we roll it out) | 22:16 |
| rcarrillocruz | yeah, not doing in parallel, just continue afterwards | 22:16 |
| clarkb | mordred: yup specifically make sure that we don't introduce new behavior that could be a regression | 22:16 |
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| morgan | clarkb: ++ | 22:17 |
| jeblair | also, d-g is very self testing, so make sure to check out the logs and see what the result looks like (it's important that the logs be easy to follow) | 22:18 |
| rcarrillocruz | along with that, i'd vote on just have feature parity to what we have now and leave optimizations later | 22:18 |
| mordred | ++ | 22:18 |
| mordred | (to both things) | 22:18 |
| jeblair | rcarrillocruz: yes, incremental changes are good here | 22:18 |
| jeblair | at any rate, anyone who knows anything about either openstack or ansible can make a contribution by reviewing these :) | 22:19 |
| jeblair | i dunno if that's anyone here | 22:20 |
| rcarrillocruz | ++, the replacements are easy enough | 22:20 |
| jlk | jeblair: I'd like to give it a look | 22:20 |
| rcarrillocruz | not really openstack knowledge required, just replacing bash with ansible | 22:20 |
| jeblair | does anyone really know bash? | 22:20 |
| fungi | though it at least helps having seen devstack-gate run before and knowing what it is/does ;) | 22:21 |
| jeblair | topic:zuulv3 project:openstack-infra/devstack-gate | 22:21 |
| jlk | is there a link to the topic of the PRs? | 22:21 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/is:open+topic:zuulv3+project:openstack-infra/devstack-gate | 22:22 |
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| rcarrillocruz | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/devstack-gate+branch:master+topic:zuulv3 | 22:22 |
| rcarrillocruz | y that | 22:22 |
| morgan | jeblair: lol. "knowing bash" oy | 22:22 |
| rcarrillocruz | i know some bash, but don't know d-g bash, it's a variant on its own :D | 22:22 |
| morgan | rcarrillocruz: i concur with that assessment | 22:22 |
| jeblair | true -- as the author of the "bash unit tests" in devstack-gate, i will be happy to see them go. :) | 22:23 |
| jamielennox | jeblair, clarkb: can you either tag or branch the current master before the production merge? | 22:23 |
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| fungi | how to know when you should rewrite your shell scripts in another language: you invent shell-based unit testing for them | 22:23 |
| clarkb | jamielennox: there should be a tag already from before the zuulv3 work started | 22:23 |
| clarkb | fungi: I mean ksh has a debugger even | 22:23 |
| fungi | ph33r | 22:24 |
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| * fungi has some not-so-great memories of debugging the ksh-based userland most of sco was implemented in | 22:24 | |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Zuul test enablement | 22:24 |
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| jamielennox | clarkb: yea, but master has moved since then | 22:25 |
| mordred | clarkb: I do think we merged some things into master between the tag and the zuulv3 stuff - might not be _terrible_ to do 2 back to back "here is the thing that is before zk - here is the thing that is after" | 22:25 |
| mordred | tags are cheap, after all | 22:25 |
| clarkb | ya no objection from me | 22:25 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Nodepool Zookeeper work | 22:25 |
| jlk | thanks! | 22:25 |
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| morgan | mordred: it never hurts to tag pre-big change | 22:25 |
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| clarkb | (though I am likely not going to be doing that tagging/merging) | 22:25 |
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| jeblair | yeah, i think we can tag a 0.3.1 | 22:27 |
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| jeblair | before performing the merge | 22:27 |
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| jeblair | mordred: i'm not planning on tagging after the merge until we're ready for a release of the zk stuff | 22:28 |
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| mordred | jeblair: works for me | 22:28 |
| jeblair | mordred: i don't know what else we might want to do before such a release, but i figure we should take stock before doing it | 22:28 |
| jeblair | so will probably ask folks about that next week | 22:28 |
| mordred | ++ | 22:28 |
| jeblair | #topic Status updates: Zuul test enablement | 22:28 |
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| jeblair | jamielennox came to me with a question recently that i had difficulty answering | 22:29 |
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| jeblair | it was related to the zuul trigger, and interacted with the tenants v3 change and some of the reorganization i did earlier in v3 around connections. but also, i've been trying to think about how we want to present an api for extensions to support other systems (eg, github, etc) | 22:31 |
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| jeblair | i had an idea to slightly reorganize the connections/sources/triggers/reporters under a driver | 22:32 |
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| jamielennox | jeblair: unless you have come up with something i'd vote to drop zuul triggers for v3 release. My understanding is we don't need them for openstack-infra and i'd prefer to drop non-required things in the breaking change and reintroduce them with more design later wehen required | 22:33 |
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| jeblair | i'm partway through a change implementing this; it's not ready for real review yet, but you can see where i'm starting to go if you look at https://review.openstack.org/408849 in zuul/driver/__init__.py | 22:33 |
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| fungi | well, if we know it's something we're going to want to support later, reorganizing now to make that easier still seems like a sane choice | 22:34 |
| mordred | I think that's going to make the interface much nicerer | 22:34 |
| fungi | the nicerer the betterer | 22:34 |
| jeblair | jamielennox: yeah, i was leaning that way, however, i'm almost certain they'd end up back in sooner rather than later, and i think my change will make it easy to keep them and support drivers with similar needs -- as i was thinking about it, i realized that the 'timer' system shares quite a bit of the same issues | 22:34 |
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| jeblair | anyway, i think what i want to do is finish getting that into a workable state, and then see if folks like the general direction. | 22:35 |
| jamielennox | jeblair: i've only looked at that review a little and i think the idea of a driver interface is a nice idea, just thinking it shouldn't be driven by zuultrigger | 22:35 |
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| jeblair | i think once that's there, we might have some conversations about if that's exactly the right approach, or if we want to do more things with different interface classes, or abstract base classes, etc. | 22:36 |
| jamielennox | anyway, +1 WFM | 22:36 |
| jeblair | (i can see a couple of different ways of actually specifying the API, all of which still match the general outline i'm drawing up) | 22:36 |
| jeblair | jamielennox: yeah, that's a good point. i've been trying to think about it holistically, considering all of the uses i know about | 22:37 |
| jeblair | (and can imagine) | 22:37 |
| mordred | like yolanda's url trigger desire | 22:37 |
| jeblair | fundamentally, this lets us have global state, tenant state, and pipeline state, so it's very flexible. | 22:38 |
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| jeblair | anyway, just wanted to let people know about that since it might affect other trigger/reporter/etc work (though the actual migration is pretty simple and mechanical) | 22:39 |
| SpamapS | on the "might affect other stuff" train, I started trying to re-enable the swift tests | 22:39 |
| jeblair | and once it's generally ready, we will want to put some polish on it as it's going to be an externally facing api surface | 22:39 |
| SpamapS | and found that auth plumbing isn't quite written yet, nor is swift connection plumbing | 22:39 |
| rcarrillocruz | yep | 22:40 |
| rcarrillocruz | i'm back on business from vaca | 22:40 |
| rcarrillocruz | i will get back to it this week SpamapS | 22:40 |
| rcarrillocruz | for the auth stuff, not swift tho | 22:40 |
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| SpamapS | rcarrillocruz: cool, I will probably move that to blocked and pick it back up when you finish. | 22:40 |
| rcarrillocruz | ++ | 22:40 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: yeah, though we do have the swift code from v2, so there may be some pieces that need connecting up | 22:40 |
| jeblair | blocking on the auth/secrets stuff makes sense to me | 22:41 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: seems like rcarrillocruz is more familiar with those pieces, so I may be more productive with something else. | 22:41 |
| fungi | though the swift authentication is a lot more fine-grained than the general auth provisions in the v3 spec | 22:42 |
| SpamapS | indeed, but one needs a base on which to stand. | 22:42 |
| fungi | since it's zuul handing out per-build credentials for specific subtrees in a container | 22:42 |
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| SpamapS | There's also a question of whether there should be per-tenant swift connections. | 22:43 |
| SpamapS | lots of stuff that I just don't have in my head yet | 22:43 |
| SpamapS | so having any of it filled in first should help get it done. | 22:43 |
| SpamapS | feels a bit like the tests that I find still skipped are more in-depth and require code inside zuul now vs. just reworking of tests. | 22:44 |
| jeblair | we also have an opportunity in v3 we didn't have in v2, of having *trusted* swift creds | 22:44 |
| rcarrillocruz | i wip'd some auth stuff already before going vaca, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406382/ , when i get that sorted i'll work on getting the pipeline allow-secrets flag, followed bu the actual job auth code handling | 22:44 |
| SpamapS | which is a good thing.. getting to the meat of it. | 22:44 |
| jeblair | ++ | 22:44 |
| jeblair | #topic Progress summary | 22:45 |
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| * SpamapS resists link paste finally | 22:45 | |
| SpamapS | :) | 22:45 |
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| jeblair | SpamapS: please, the floor is yours :) | 22:46 |
| SpamapS | oh haha | 22:46 |
| SpamapS | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/41 | 22:46 |
| SpamapS | So we have _a ton_ in flight. | 22:46 |
| SpamapS | And a ton of "new" tasks, which are tasks we haven't evaluated yet for one of the other lanes. | 22:46 |
| SpamapS | But the backlog and Todo is already long enough, I"m not worried about people not being able to find more work to do. | 22:47 |
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| SpamapS | I would like to see more tasks in Todo.. Right now it is all stories. | 22:47 |
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| Shrews | not really sure why https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000767 is still "in progress". the 3304 task in that doesn't seem related to the builder, IMO | 22:48 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: i'll take a pass at updating those | 22:48 |
| SpamapS | jeblair: also your script has been working well, so thank you. :) | 22:48 |
| jeblair | \o/ | 22:48 |
| rcarrillocruz | i'm happy to take ansible-based deployment, since i've battled that a bit in the past | 22:48 |
| rcarrillocruz | and happy to leverage pabelanger_ roles for it | 22:48 |
| SpamapS | Shrews: 3305 is still marked as in progress | 22:48 |
| rcarrillocruz | unless pabelanger_ has interest on taking it ? | 22:48 |
| rcarrillocruz | i.e. https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000791 | 22:48 |
| SpamapS | "re-enable nodepool builder and devstack tests " | 22:49 |
| Shrews | SpamapS: it's in production. tests are re-enabled, so it's done | 22:49 |
| pabelanger_ | rcarrillocruz: sure, I can show you what I've been working on. | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | Shrews: well then let's mark 3305 as merged. :) | 22:49 |
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| Shrews | could've swore we moved this to Done label last week | 22:50 |
| rcarrillocruz | k, i'll pick up assignment then | 22:50 |
| fungi | [and there was much rejoicing] | 22:50 |
| rcarrillocruz | SpamapS: ^ , taking https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000791 | 22:50 |
| SpamapS | Shrews: Notice there's no Done lane anymore. Just mark the task as Merged and it will disappear. | 22:50 |
| jeblair | Shrews: we might have moved the card, but my auto-script might have moved it back because it has an in-progress task; updating the task to 'merged' will cause to be auto-removed from the board | 22:50 |
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| * Shrews just avoids SB until the weekly meetings | 22:51 | |
| Shrews | :) | 22:51 |
| SpamapS | I updated the description of the board, but maybe we weren't clear enough in here. :-P | 22:51 |
| SpamapS | The board is now mostly a reflection of SB task status, except we are the lanes to break out some statuses into finer grained status so people can find appropriate tasks to work on. | 22:51 |
| SpamapS | (and so we can see how busy / not busy things are) | 22:52 |
| SpamapS | right now I'd say our WIP is a bit high, and we should make sure cores double down on reviewing to keep the in progress list manageable. | 22:52 |
| SpamapS | I also don't think we have enough in Todo. | 22:53 |
| SpamapS | fine to grab things off backlog, but todo is where we should drop things that feel like they're "ready to go next" | 22:53 |
| jeblair | and i want to say a big chunk of the wip are the devstack-gate changes | 22:53 |
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| SpamapS | jeblair: any thoughts on ansible deployment or any other tasks/stories moving to Todo? | 22:53 |
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| SpamapS | BTW, I'm removing 2000767 (the story) from the board. Stories (not tasks) are managed manually. | 22:54 |
| SpamapS | (woot again? ;) | 22:54 |
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| jeblair | SpamapS: i think there's nothing blocking the ansible deployment, however, it's not a blocker itself for us getting into production. so we should move it to todo if we've run out of higher-priority things | 22:55 |
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| SpamapS | jeblair: ACK, I'll leave the story in Backlog | 22:55 |
| jeblair | okay, one more quick topic: | 22:56 |
| jeblair | #topic Zuul v3: update with Ansible role information | 22:56 |
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| SpamapS | jeblair: what about "make change a subclass of ref" ? Isn't that kind of a big refactor that we want to get in there soon? | 22:56 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381329/ | 22:56 |
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| jeblair | SpamapS: yes, that's probably a good one | 22:57 |
| jeblair | SpamapS: i'm hopeful it won't actually be too intrusive | 22:57 |
| SpamapS | ACK, ok, carry on :) | 22:57 |
| jeblair | this is, i think, the last outstanding spec update | 22:57 |
| jeblair | it adds some detail around how we expect roles to work | 22:57 |
| jeblair | i think with that in place, we'll be ready to actually write the "really run an ansible-based job for real" code, as i like to think of it. :) | 22:58 |
| fungi | and looks like it's getting proposed tomorrow for an infra council vote | 22:58 |
| jeblair | fungi: indeed! | 22:58 |
| jeblair | i gave a heads-up about this last week, but no time like the present to take a look at it | 22:59 |
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| jeblair | and that's all we have time for | 23:00 |
| jeblair | thanks everyone! | 23:00 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Dec 12 23:00:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2016/zuul.2016-12-12-22.03.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2016/zuul.2016-12-12-22.03.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zuul/2016/zuul.2016-12-12-22.03.log.html | 23:00 |
| jamielennox | thanks | 23:00 |
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