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| IgorYozhikov | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 15 13:02:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is IgorYozhikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:02 |
| IgorYozhikov | ping toabctl, dirk, apevec, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jpena, jruzicka, number80, kaslcrof | 13:02 |
| jpena | o/ | 13:02 |
| IgorYozhikov | #chair IgorYozhikov jpena toabctl | 13:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov jpena toabctl | 13:02 |
| toabctl | hi | 13:03 |
| dirk | o/ | 13:03 |
| * toabctl will be a bit distracted during the meeting... | 13:03 | |
| IgorYozhikov | #chair IgorYozhikov jpena toabctl dirk | 13:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov dirk jpena toabctl | 13:03 |
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| IgorYozhikov | let's spend some time on agenda | 13:03 |
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| IgorYozhikov | let's start | 13:07 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407102/ - semver version part - let's finalize decision | 13:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407102/ - semver version part - let's finalize decision (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:07 | |
| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, still has questions here | 13:07 |
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| jpena | Yep, I have questions too. I've seen that the XStatic-* packages have 4 digit versions, e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410747/8/openstack/XStatic-Magic-Search/XStatic-Magic-Search.spec.j2 | 13:09 |
| IgorYozhikov | I believe that here we need some additional input from RDO side | 13:09 |
| IgorYozhikov | jpena, afaik py2rpmversion is used only for OS projects | 13:10 |
| IgorYozhikov | since that dependencies are not affected here | 13:10 |
| jpena | ok, in that case we should be fine | 13:10 |
| IgorYozhikov | also dependencies doesn't use mid-milestone dev tails in versions, no? | 13:11 |
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| jpena | no, they don't | 13:11 |
| toabctl | renderspec should work also for non-OS project. but if you are fine with the fedora solution, that is ok for me | 13:12 |
| toabctl | it just feels wrong. imo we should at least document that it is not doing the right thing | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok, so as I remember - these 2 functions were developed to handle OS components version/release | 13:12 |
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| toabctl | IgorYozhikov, the can handle any pre/post release | 13:12 |
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| IgorYozhikov | toabctl, didn't get your question :( | 13:14 |
| toabctl | what question? | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | about pre/post releases | 13:14 |
| toabctl | hm. there is no question | 13:14 |
| IgorYozhikov | ah, ok. and yes - I'm agree about documenting functions usage | 13:15 |
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| IgorYozhikov | if there are no objections and every1 agree with proposed changes - I will update documentation for py2rpmversion | 13:17 |
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| IgorYozhikov | otherwise - let's elaborate additional changes which should be made | 13:19 |
| IgorYozhikov | your thoughts ? | 13:19 |
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| jpena | +1 for me | 13:21 |
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| dirk | next? | 13:23 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk, yes | 13:24 |
| IgorYozhikov | hope that we will agree on something just a little bit later | 13:24 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic systemd macro, new common with translation into rdo & suse or something else? | 13:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "systemd macro, new common with translation into rdo & suse or something else? (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:24 | |
| jpena | dirk, you mentioned the upstream systemd macros where available for SUSE, right? | 13:25 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I saw that commit was abandoned | 13:25 |
| dirk | jpena: so those with %service_* and with %systemd_* should be available now in the suse ci, yes | 13:26 |
| dirk | I'm confused which ones are the "upstream ones" and which we should be using going forward | 13:26 |
| jpena | When I say upstream macros I'm referring to the ones in https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/master/src/core/macros.systemd.in | 13:27 |
| jpena | I tried to dig a bit into the SUSE packaging, and I found they use different ones (the ones I was trying to emulate in my review) | 13:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, does it means that I can revert your changes - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382196/34/openstack/mistral/mistral.spec.j2 ? | 13:29 |
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| IgorYozhikov | to be more specific - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382196/32..34/openstack/mistral/mistral.spec.j2 | 13:30 |
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| IgorYozhikov | and systemd_post will work as in centos an in suse linux? | 13:31 |
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| jpena | that's what I expect | 13:32 |
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| IgorYozhikov | ok, I'll try to do that today and will see :) | 13:34 |
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| IgorYozhikov | anything else related to this topic? just want to be more || less sure that this will not block us with the rest of services. | 13:35 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic Xstatics* almost done - do we ready for horizon? | 13:37 |
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| IgorYozhikov | There is last of xstatics*, I believe, on review - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410228/ | 13:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | Does it means that we can start work on horizon? | 13:38 |
| IgorYozhikov | or there are another parts to be done before? | 13:39 |
| dirk | jpena: IgorYozhikov : yep, so lets go with %systemd_ macros | 13:39 |
| dirk | #agreed for service packaging please use the %systemd_* macros from https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/master/src/core/macros.systemd.in | 13:40 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, yey | 13:40 |
| IgorYozhikov | thanx | 13:40 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: I am not sure regarding horizon, but its always worth putting up a review and see where it fails.. | 13:41 |
| dirk | I was actually planning to help a bit with that but currently there are too many fires | 13:41 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, got it | 13:42 |
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| IgorYozhikov | ok, may be kaslcrof or tlbr could help with horizon, it' is not to urgent but will be very nice to have it in working state | 13:43 |
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| IgorYozhikov | or if any1 else want to take it(horizon) - I'm fine with it | 13:44 |
| tlbr | yes, we can take a look if required | 13:44 |
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| IgorYozhikov | great, tlbr thanx a lot | 13:45 |
| tlbr | np :) | 13:45 |
| IgorYozhikov | moving forward? | 13:45 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic Open floor | 13:45 |
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| IgorYozhikov | dirk, I believe that you want to clarify rdo gate readiness/status? | 13:46 |
| IgorYozhikov | I saw commit from Tristan https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393606/ | 13:48 |
| jpena | this was a test to verify if some of the gerrit problems we had were fixed | 13:49 |
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| jpena | right now, the CI job is mostly behaving, although we still have the networkx.drawing package issue | 13:49 |
| jpena | we could set the CI as non-voting for now, at least it's giving me some useful feedback | 13:49 |
| dirk | yeah | 13:50 |
| dirk | I would really like to see some reports in the reviews | 13:50 |
| IgorYozhikov | ah, that's nice, so it's moving | 13:50 |
| jpena | ok, I'll go for it tomorrow then | 13:50 |
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| dirk | jpena: is there a way we can have networkx.drawing issue worked around for now? | 13:50 |
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| jpena | dirk: we have https://github.com/rdo-packages/taskflow-distgit/blob/rpm-master/python-taskflow.spec#L92-L93 in the RDO specs | 13:51 |
| dirk | jpena: so put that up as an review under a %if is_rdo condition? | 13:52 |
| jpena | dirk: works for me | 13:52 |
| dirk | I'd prefer imperfect but working ci over no ci any time | 13:52 |
| jpena | agreed, I'll go for it | 13:52 |
| dirk | is it just building the package under review like the mos ci or does it rebuidl everything like the suse ci? | 13:53 |
| jpena | only the package under review | 13:53 |
| dirk | k, so the issue with networkx should be fairly isolated | 13:53 |
| IgorYozhikov | I also have 2 updates from my side | 13:54 |
| IgorYozhikov | 1. about keystone + updated passlib | 13:54 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'll update keystone PR right after b2 will be released | 13:54 |
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| IgorYozhikov | because b1 is not compatible with passlib 1.7.0 | 13:55 |
| IgorYozhikov | already spoke with keystone developers | 13:55 |
| IgorYozhikov | and 2nd - finally mos-ci add newton support | 13:55 |
| IgorYozhikov | and now it rebuilds whole bunch of projects resided under stable/newton branch @ rpm-packaging | 13:56 |
| IgorYozhikov | https://packaging-ci.fuel-infra.org/job/newton-rpm-packaging-build-centos7/ | 13:56 |
| IgorYozhikov | this means that mos-ci will reacts on commits into stable/newton as already reacts for mitaka & master | 13:57 |
| IgorYozhikov | all issues will be fixed in a couple of days | 13:57 |
| IgorYozhikov | that's all from my side | 13:58 |
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| dirk | thanks IgorYozhikov for the update! | 13:58 |
| dirk | last q : another meeting next week same time same place? | 13:58 |
| dirk | or is everyone already off for end of the year vacation? | 13:59 |
| IgorYozhikov | wfm | 13:59 |
| IgorYozhikov | we have vacation right after NY | 13:59 |
| IgorYozhikov | I know that in EU & US vacations before NY | 13:59 |
| IgorYozhikov | let's discuss this at our channel. we r out of time | 14:01 |
| IgorYozhikov | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 15 14:01:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-12-15-13.02.html | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-12-15-13.02.txt | 14:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2016/rpm_packaging.2016-12-15-13.02.log.html | 14:01 |
| slashme | #startmeeting freezer | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 15 14:01:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slashme. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:01 |
| dstepanenko | hello everyone | 14:01 |
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| slashme | Hello guys :-) | 14:01 |
| zhusz | hello | 14:01 |
| slashme | As usual meeting notes and agenda there: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:02 |
| yangyapeng | hello erveryone | 14:02 |
| slashme | Let's wait a few minutes for people to join | 14:02 |
| raliev | hi all :) | 14:04 |
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| szaher | Hello guys | 14:08 |
| slashme | #topic releases | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "releases (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:09 | |
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| slashme | python-freezerclient v1.1.0 was released yesterday | 14:09 |
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| szaher | Cool | 14:10 |
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| slashme | All other freezer components v4.0.0b2 were released today | 14:10 |
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| slashme | That's all I have in the agenda (except for the pending reviews). | 14:12 |
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| slashme | Anything you want to discuss ? | 14:12 |
| raliev | good news! :) | 14:12 |
| slashme | # topic free | 14:12 |
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| slashme | We need to push a patch to the global requirement to bump the version on python-freezerclient up | 14:13 |
| raliev | slashme, you mean openstack-requirements? | 14:13 |
| slashme | Yes | 14:14 |
| raliev | I can do this | 14:14 |
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| slashme | I'll do it, don't worry | 14:15 |
| raliev | okay :) | 14:15 |
| dstepanenko | guys, I'm working on changes related to local and ssh backup/restore. The patch for local backup is already on review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/379281/. The patches for ssh backup are coming soon. Could you please hold these patches like your babies and add them to your top-review priority lists, because otherwise these very important changes will be on pending state for too long | 14:17 |
| dstepanenko | By the way, I really appreciate everyone who worked on it | 14:17 |
| yangyapeng | saher have some c commen | 14:18 |
| slashme | As soon as szaher's comments are adressed we will merge it | 14:18 |
| szaher | dstepanenko: I did some comments could you please review it ? | 14:18 |
| dstepanenko | szaher: thanks! I'm already working on it | 14:19 |
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| dstepanenko | as far as I see you did it during last hour | 14:19 |
| yangyapeng | szaher: szaher ssh storage, should work it soon | 14:19 |
| yangyapeng | dstepanenko: thank you :) | 14:20 |
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| szaher | yangyapeng: Yea I know but at the moment we need to display a message telling the user that this is not supported at the moment | 14:21 |
| szaher | even for other storage that might be added later | 14:22 |
| yangyapeng | dstepanenko: szaher we should have a TODO | 14:22 |
| dstepanenko | I will add it | 14:22 |
| zhusz | dstepanenko: I'll check that patch also. | 14:23 |
| dstepanenko | zhusz: thanks! | 14:23 |
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| slashme | I updated https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings with most of the pending reviews. Have a look when you have some time. | 14:29 |
| dstepanenko | thanks, slashme | 14:30 |
| dstepanenko | will do | 14:30 |
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| slashme | It's time to end the meeting. Thanks for joining :-) | 14:55 |
| slashme | #endmeeting | 14:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 15 14:56:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-12-15-14.01.html | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-12-15-14.01.txt | 14:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2016/freezer.2016-12-15-14.01.log.html | 14:56 |
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| tommylikehu_ | meeting started? | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 15 15:02:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:02 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:02 |
| ganso | hello | 15:02 |
| markstur | hi | 15:02 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:02 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:02 |
| tommylikehu_ | hi | 15:02 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:02 |
| toabctl | hi | 15:02 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:02 |
| bswartz | hmm looks like we don't have an agenda for today | 15:03 |
| bswartz | >_< | 15:03 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 15:03 |
| tommylikehu_ | open discuss | 15:03 |
| bswartz | I'll just use the remaining topics from last week | 15:03 |
| bswartz | first thing though | 15:04 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:04 | |
| bswartz | O-2 is today | 15:04 |
| bswartz | high priority spec freeze is today | 15:04 |
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| tommylikehu_ | today? | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | yes | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | we still have 3 unmerged specs | 15:05 |
| bswartz | unless we're ready to merge them now, we'll have to kick stuff out of the release | 15:05 |
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| tommylikehu_ | I think we still have a day for them | 15:06 |
| tommylikehu_ | I am working on it | 15:06 |
| bswartz | I should also point out that due to how short Ocata is, unlessimplementation is far along on these specs, they still probably don't stand a chance of landing in Ocata | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | so let's start with discussion of remaining specs | 15:07 |
| bswartz | #topic race conditions | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "race conditions (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:07 | |
| tbarron | ready to merge after you fix typo in commit msg | 15:07 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396255/ | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: small update required, should be fast one | 15:07 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: can fit deadline | 15:07 |
| bswartz | changed | 15:08 |
| bswartz | can we merge this one or is more work required? | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | actually not )) | 15:08 |
| vponomaryov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396255/13..14/specs/ocata/eliminate-race-conditions.rst | 15:08 |
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| ganso | bswartz: needs to address vponomaryov 's concern | 15:08 |
| tbarron | I have design questions about access-list fixes spec | 15:09 |
| tbarron | but I think we should work on this in ocata | 15:09 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov's comment is about testing | 15:09 |
| tbarron | fundamental approach seems right | 15:09 |
| tbarron | but design issues are more than just work it out in code review | 15:09 |
| bswartz | My stance is that the only required testing is regression testing -- things should not get worse | 15:09 |
| bswartz | yes there are more tests we can add but those are out of scope | 15:10 |
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| gouthamr | i'm back today, so i will take a look at tbarron's concerns | 15:10 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: and I could just be confused :D | 15:10 |
| bswartz | tbarron: I want to voer that topic next | 15:11 |
| bswartz | wb gouthamr | 15:11 |
| tbarron | bswartz: sorry, thought you'd moved to it | 15:11 |
| bswartz | I want to close on race conitions | 15:11 |
| gouthamr | thanks bswartz... tbarron: nope, i did have what you suggest in code, but my statements on the spec may be misleading.. | 15:11 |
| bswartz | if more work is needed I can do it today but if not I'd like to just merge it | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | I think all the cores have read it | 15:12 |
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| ganso | bswartz: I think there is an overall confusion about the spec's purpose, and I agree with vponomaryov | 15:12 |
| ganso | bswartz: your spec title is "Eliminate race conditions" | 15:13 |
| ganso | bswartz: but there are a few use cases listed, and we need rally and other tests to capture other race conditions and fix them | 15:13 |
| tbarron | ganso: are you concerned about when the work would be Done? | 15:13 |
| ganso | bswartz: so, it should be in fact titled "Mechanism for elimination of race conditions" | 15:13 |
| bswartz | ganso: are you suggesting a change to the title? to the problem statment? | 15:13 |
| ganso | bswartz: as they will still exist once what's in the scope of the spec is implemented | 15:13 |
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| ganso | bswartz: I initially assumed that testing, enumerating the race conditions etc were going to be in scope | 15:14 |
| ganso | bswartz: but you stated that they are not | 15:14 |
| tbarron | fwiw, it's more of an "architecture" or "high level design" or "specification for eliminating" than a "mechanism" | 15:14 |
| bswartz | I see | 15:14 |
| tbarron | and I'm fine with that | 15:14 |
| bswartz | well we want to do all of that but we have to face the reality of time | 15:14 |
| ganso | I am fine too, but I think it is good to address the confusion | 15:15 |
| bswartz | and ask what is achieveable in ocata | 15:15 |
| tbarron | mechanism should be switchable in a good architecture | 15:15 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: then spec should say what we will do, so, I agree with ganso | 15:15 |
| bswartz | tbarron: I'd argue that the mechanism is the architecture | 15:15 |
| tbarron | if we have to scope what will get done we won't start | 15:16 |
| bswartz | okay please put some more -1 on that spec and I'll push another draft after the meeting | 15:16 |
| ganso | bswartz: ok | 15:16 |
| tbarron | bswartz: I won't dig in on that but I disagree :) | 15:16 |
| bswartz | nobody go to sleep without reviewing PS15 | 15:16 |
| bswartz | :-/ | 15:16 |
| bswartz | alright moving on | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | #topic access rules | 15:17 |
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| gouthamr | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399049/ | 15:17 |
| * tbarron already spoke out of turn | 15:17 | |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399049/ | 15:18 |
| bswartz | Looks like I forgot to put my vote on here | 15:19 |
| tbarron | so i think denies can race with allows here and it's OK if we re-read the DB before calling into the driver, but | 15:19 |
| tbarron | the state machine may need a little revision | 15:19 |
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| tbarron | that's a design issue, not just a coding issue | 15:19 |
| bswartz | tbarron: have you discussed that with gouthamr | 15:20 |
| tbarron | but the fundamental approach is good and we should proceed | 15:20 |
| bswartz | I thought that case was addessed | 15:20 |
| tbarron | i brought this stuff up while he was on vacation | 15:20 |
| bswartz | I can reread that part of the sepc | 15:20 |
| bswartz | gouthamr? | 15:20 |
| tbarron | it may just be a matter of wording and my understanding, but e.g. I think we need a 'new'->'denyiing' transition | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: you do have that.. | 15:21 |
| bswartz | tbarron: +1 | 15:21 |
| tbarron | nothing we can't work out | 15:21 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: I didn't see it | 15:21 |
| tbarron | so this may just be my misreading | 15:21 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: let me take a look and update it. | 15:21 |
| bswartz | I see applying to denying | 15:22 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: why don't you add that there will be a state-machine diagram like what bswartz is providing in the devref, where it is kept up to date as implementation is done | 15:22 |
| tbarron | i asked bswartz for same in his spec | 15:22 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: yep, good idea | 15:22 |
| tbarron | reality is that these need to be up-to-date as manila evolves | 15:23 |
| bswartz | tbarron: you mean the diagram will be moved to the devref and maintained there right? | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | tbarron: i meant to add that to the devref anyway after the implementation | 15:23 |
| tbarron | yes | 15:23 |
| bswartz | ok | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | any other issues with this spec? | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | yeah, tooz | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | :P | 15:23 |
| bswartz | what about it | 15:23 |
| gouthamr | it's not gotten a lot of review attention | 15:23 |
| bswartz | how does that afect the spec | 15:24 |
| tbarron | gouthamr: working top down with other stuff to do too :D | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | we'll get the implementation reviews done | 15:24 |
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| gouthamr | bswartz: sure, it's a dependency in both the specs we discussed so far.. | 15:24 |
| bswartz | I'm asking about the spec now | 15:25 |
| bswartz | can it be merged or does it need another patchset? | 15:25 |
| vponomaryov | no -1 - no concerns )) | 15:25 |
| gouthamr | needs another patchset | 15:25 |
| bswartz | it's getting late for some core reviewers and we have a deadline today | 15:25 |
| tbarron | i can work my issues out w/ gouthamr today | 15:26 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:26 |
| bswartz | remember that vponomaryov, toabctl, and ganso are all someone further east of us | 15:26 |
| bswartz | not to mention gouthamr who is on the other side of the planet | 15:26 |
| gouthamr | :P | 15:27 |
| ganso | lol | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | i'm on the same side as you are now | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | aand on vacation ) | 15:27 |
| bswartz | oh you got back? | 15:27 |
| bswartz | okay hope you're not too jetlagged gouthamr | 15:27 |
| gouthamr | yes, this morning :) | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | vponomaryov will be able to review specs in about 4-5 hours | 15:27 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:27 |
| bswartz | let's move on then | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | #topic ipv6 | 15:27 |
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| tommylikehu_ | how do you think of this vponomaryov | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362786/ | 15:28 |
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| vponomaryov | vponomaryov: could have been updated according to comments, for the moment it mixes two different goals under the one spec | 15:28 |
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| vponomaryov | details can be seen in manila chat | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | it should become simpler that it is now | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | separating part of logic to different spec | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | that will be in pike+ | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | if will be in general | 15:29 |
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| vponomaryov | s/that/than/ | 15:29 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: i think those two goals - assuming they are two - came from bswartz asking how to support use of v6 and v4 at the same time | 15:29 |
| tbarron | so if tommylikehu_ does what you suggest, the question is whether bswartz will -1 it | 15:30 |
| bswartz | yeah I though this was covered last night but I don't see the spec updated acordingly | 15:30 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: another conversation this morning provides different guidance | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | let's have about 6 hours before we close the doors | 15:30 |
| bswartz | the key here is that our mechanism for supporting v6 in network plugins is to make network plugins aware of both v4 and v6 | 15:30 |
| bswartz | sorry I haven't read the scrollback in manila channel | 15:31 |
| * bswartz reads | 15:31 | |
| bswartz | is it just a matter of the word support vs enabled? | 15:31 |
| tommylikehu_ | no | 15:31 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is matter of supporting multiple networks/subnets "at once" | 15:32 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: can't a subnet have v4+v6 together? | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: no | 15:32 |
| bswartz | or do I misunderstand neutron | 15:32 |
| cknight | bswartz: IMO, it's not OK to to do v4 or v6, but not both. | 15:32 |
| tommylikehu_ | bswartz: you asked the question I did | 15:32 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: neutron subnet has only one Ip version | 15:32 |
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| tbarron | use case of exporting both ipv4 & ipv6 and having compute instances choose either to do mount is not suported. | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | on eneutron network canhave two subnets, each for each Ip versions | 15:33 |
| bswartz | I see | 15:33 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov can a "port" have 2 subnets? | 15:33 |
| tbarron | to support it we'd have to have multiple subnets/gateways per share network | 15:33 |
| markstur | the spec shouldn't need to include making the network plug-ins support both 4 and 6. Similar to the drivers it should just be a good enough spec that we can add support once this framework is in place. | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: yes, it can be related to several subnets | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: we use that feature of port in generic driver | 15:34 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:34 |
| vponomaryov | markstur: but it covers case to support IPv6 in network plugins | 15:34 |
| bswartz | I think I understand what the neutron guys were thinking then | 15:34 |
| tbarron | i can use same port from compute instance to mount via ipv4 or mount via ipv6, manually setting up exports | 15:35 |
| bswartz | okay so we have to make a decision | 15:35 |
| bswartz | it seems like we're not ready to deal with the issues around network plugins and v4+v6 | 15:35 |
| markstur | it covers ipv6 for drivers, but that doesn't mean all the work will be done to enhance the drivers | 15:35 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: it's the "subnets" that are IPv4 or IPv6 specific, not the neutron "networks" | 15:35 |
| bswartz | so do we leave that unspecified, or do we specify some limiteed behavior that we know we can implement? | 15:36 |
| ganso | bswartz: I think we can go with "limited" for now | 15:36 |
| bswartz | ganso: what should that lmited behavior be? | 15:36 |
| cknight | bswartz: we need to understand the endgame, even if there is an intermediate step | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: still support only one network-subnet per network plugin | 15:37 |
| ganso | bswartz: if we know we can achieve v4+v6 network plugin in the future, we can proceed supporting only one for now | 15:37 |
| bswartz | cknight: I think we've missed that boat -- as we don't understand, and we're out of time | 15:37 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: but allow it to be either IPv6 or IPv4 | 15:37 |
| ganso | bswartz: in other words, not both at the same time | 15:37 |
| cknight | bswartz: then the spec should wait | 15:37 |
| bswartz | I don't think it's a good idea to punt the whole spec -- ipv6 is valuable and important | 15:38 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: that is why I am saying to exclude part of it | 15:38 |
| markstur | what about just doing dhss=false ipv6 -- does that make sense? | 15:38 |
| bswartz | okay let's keep working on it then and try to understand the correct solution now | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | markstur: +1 | 15:38 |
| tbarron | cknight: if the end game means supporting ipv4 and ipv6 export locations from the same share to compute instances who can choose either at will then we have to redo our plugin arch before allowing any ipv6 access by that standard | 15:38 |
| ganso | dhss=False will not touch plugin, that will further reduce the scope | 15:38 |
| ganso | s/plugin/plugins | 15:39 |
| bswartz | yeah I think we know that eventually there must be a way to create share servers with v4+v6 | 15:39 |
| cknight | bswartz, tbarron: yes, ipv6 is valuable, but I'm hesitant to plunge forward in the dark if we don't know where we're going. | 15:39 |
| gouthamr | ganso: +1 i think this is a saner approach | 15:39 |
| markstur | even if we have only ipv4 network plugins for dhss=true (I was hoping we'd at lease know how we want to do that though) | 15:39 |
| bswartz | it's not clear if that should be done w/ multiple plugins or with smarter plugins that understand both | 15:39 |
| bswartz | cknight: I'm willing to use the rest of the meeting to reach the answer | 15:39 |
| tbarron | restrict to DHSS=False for now? | 15:39 |
| bswartz | tbarron: you mean make share servers limited to ipv4/ | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | yes, don't claim support for ipv6 with share servers now | 15:40 |
| tbarron | yes, it's an option | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr technically share servers already do support ipv6 | 15:40 |
| vponomaryov | right | 15:40 |
| bswartz | at least the standlone network plugin has v6 support | 15:41 |
| vponomaryov | but not tested | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: technically, yes, but not our neutron network plugins | 15:41 |
| tbarron | but not v4 at the same time | 15:41 |
| gouthamr | so, we can work on that | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | lets decide how we will eventually support both | 15:41 |
| bswartz | the options seem to be: | 15:41 |
| tbarron | and cannot have v6 at the same time without plugin re-architecture | 15:41 |
| bswartz | 1) separate network plugins, one for v4 and one for v6 | 15:41 |
| bswartz | 2) modify network plugins to handle 2 subnets where necessary for v4+v6 | 15:42 |
| markstur | The drivers need to know if the configured plug-in will support 4 or 6 or both | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | (2) requires rearchitecture of getting network info, that is out of scope for adding general IPv6 support | 15:42 |
| bswartz | markstur: that's a driver interface issue which is technically independent of the network plugin interface | 15:43 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: we can decide it's what we want to do, but postpone that work until pike | 15:43 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: but that is related to DHSS=True in general, for all drivers, that could be done in pike, if we consider it to be necessary to achieve what we want | 15:43 |
| tbarron | Is there a downside to #2 other than that it may be a lot of work? | 15:43 |
| bswartz | what we don't want is to leave it undecided | 15:43 |
| tommylikehu_ | markstur: it's already descibed in spec | 15:43 |
| bswartz | tbarron: good point | 15:44 |
| markstur | We don't have a final spec for #2 | 15:44 |
| bswartz | I was leaning towards a different flavor of (2) where neutron simply did v4+v6 in one subnet | 15:44 |
| bswartz | but since that's not possible it seems like we could still do it, albeit with more effort | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: it is a LOT of work | 15:45 |
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| ganso | lol | 15:45 |
| markstur | can we just push that part to pike and do the easy stuff in ocata? | 15:45 |
| cknight | bswartz: Let's consider the user experience. A user should know from a share type that a share will be available on v4, v6, or both. And a share of that type should report corresponding export locations. We should reject any option that doesn't eventually get us there. | 15:45 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: so we should maybe not decide immediately ... | 15:45 |
| bswartz | cknight: both options on the table allow us to do that | 15:45 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: I am interested in this issue though and don't want to just dismiss #2 without investigation | 15:46 |
| bswartz | I think the user-facing part of the design is clear | 15:46 |
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| bswartz | what's unclear is what the admin will need to put in the conf file to get DHSS=true+v4+v6 | 15:46 |
| cknight | bswartz: Having separate network plugins can do that? | 15:46 |
| vponomaryov | cknight: yes | 15:46 |
| tbarron | cknight: so does that imply share network will have both ipv4 and ipv6 subnets if both familiies are in use? | 15:46 |
| bswartz | cknight: that's option (1) | 15:46 |
| ganso | gouthamr: does #2 tie in any way with your spec for supporting multiple subnets in share networks? | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: both options about supporting multiple subnets | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: there should be other options | 15:47 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: what do you propose? | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: support any IP version for single network | 15:47 |
| tbarron | option #1 may be more expedient but having to configure 4 plugins (2*user, 2*admin) could be a pain and potentially confusing | 15:47 |
| bswartz | no matter what we'll end up with 2 or more subnets thanks to neutron's design | 15:48 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: so, we "fix" existing network plugns to be able to work with "single" network-subnet of any Ip versions if we have issues with it | 15:48 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov and when we want both together how to we modify the archirecture? | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | and allow access rules be of any IP version that is related to used network | 15:49 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: share-network interface, config-interface, share-manager logic | 15:49 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: that doesn't satisfy the contract of the API | 15:49 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: all of above for supporting multiple network-subnets | 15:49 |
| bswartz | users will expect dual v4+v6 access to shares | 15:50 |
| vponomaryov | it is separate goal | 15:50 |
| vponomaryov | not general support of IPv6 | 15:50 |
| bswartz | yes but we're making a decision on that now to unblock the spec | 15:50 |
| vponomaryov | which can be the only type of networks | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | we can explcitly not implement it | 15:50 |
| bswartz | but we will specify what we plan to do | 15:51 |
| bswartz | let's talk about downsides | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | (1) has the downside that it's ugly from a config perspective | 15:51 |
| tbarron | +1 | 15:52 |
| bswartz | we already have 2 plugins -- one for users and one for admin export loations | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | (1) would mean having 3 or 4 plugins per backend | 15:52 |
| bswartz | on the plus side (1) gives you a ridiculous amount of flexibility | 15:52 |
| tommylikehu_ | :) | 15:52 |
| tbarron | and confusion about plugins is already a disincentive for deployers to do DHSS=True | 15:52 |
| bswartz | you could use standalone plugin for v4 and neturon plugin for v6 (possibly) | 15:53 |
| gouthamr | ganso: i need a rehash at all the discussions that have been happening around this - i might need to update the mutiple subnets spec with the feedback here - currently, the spec proposes multiple subnets with a tie-in to AZs | 15:53 |
| bswartz | the downsides to (2) seem to be that it's more work and less flexible | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | however (2) might lead to better experience for admin | 15:53 |
| tbarron | and support | 15:53 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: or we can have both approaches )) | 15:54 |
| tommylikehu_ | how ? | 15:54 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: so deployer choose one of them to use ) | 15:54 |
| bswartz | taking away choices leads to happier customers -- apple teaches us this | 15:54 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov wants to drive me out of the support maniila in openstack business :D | 15:54 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: you call deployer a user? | 15:54 |
| tbarron | they are the kind of user who buys openstack support | 15:55 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: we care about experiences of both end users and deployers/admin users | 15:55 |
| bswartz | although when the 2 are in conflict we prioritize the end user | 15:55 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is an option anyway | 15:55 |
| vponomaryov | I do not say I am for it | 15:55 |
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| bswartz | I'm in favor of (2) still | 15:56 |
| tbarron | but we don't know how much work that is, right? | 15:56 |
| tbarron | we have reason from vponomaryov to believe it's not at all trivial | 15:57 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: it is end-goal, current spec is intermediate goal | 15:57 |
| bswartz | keep a single plugin, and make plugins handle both -- however declare that in the short term it doesn't work | 15:57 |
| bswartz | nothing will be trivial | 15:57 |
| tommylikehu_ | how much time do we left for this code job? | 15:57 |
| bswartz | 5 weeks minus holidays | 15:57 |
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| tommylikehu_ | We do not have holidays in china | 15:58 |
| vponomaryov | wow )) | 15:58 |
| bswartz | err 6 weeks minus holidays | 15:58 |
| vponomaryov | sounds great | 15:58 |
| tommylikehu_ | :(.. | 15:58 |
| xyang1 | tommylikehu_: what about chinese new year?:) | 15:58 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov: you review up to ukranian xmas and we'll pick it up afterwards :D | 15:58 |
| tommylikehu_ | let me check | 15:58 |
| bswartz | it 's 6 weeks to feature freeze, but proposal freeze is in 4 weeks | 15:58 |
| bswartz | okay we're out of time | 15:59 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu: I think we're going to stick with what we talked about last night | 15:59 |
| tommylikehu_ | #2 | 15:59 |
| bswartz | please update the spec to say that plugins should be able to support either or both v4 and v6 | 15:59 |
| tommylikehu_ | ok | 15:59 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: does it mean to support any amount of subnets? | 16:00 |
| bswartz | but it's acceptable for plugins to simply fail to support both | 16:00 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: just 2 I think | 16:00 |
| bswartz | we'll leaev the improvements to neutron plugins out of scope | 16:00 |
| markstur | but having 2 subnets is not in O? | 16:00 |
| bswartz | markstur: correct | 16:00 |
| bswartz | okay I'm going to end the meeting | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | everyone review the high priority specs until they merge | 16:01 |
| markstur | thankyou | 16:01 |
| bswartz | anything not merged today is out | 16:01 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 15 16:01:26 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2016/manila.2016-12-15-15.02.html | 16:01 |
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| ashtokolov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 15 16:02:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ashtokolov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:02 |
| ashtokolov | Hi folks! | 16:02 |
| ashtokolov | The agenda is empty for today | 16:03 |
| ashtokolov | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda | 16:03 |
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| ashtokolov | I have a few updates about current state | 16:03 |
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| ashtokolov | We are working on bug fixing and small enhancements for ocata, stable/newton and stable/mitaka branches | 16:04 |
| ashtokolov | Next minor Fuel Mitaka release aka Fuel 9.2 is scheduled for January 31 | 16:05 |
| ashtokolov | Fuel Ocata release is scheduled for the end of February | 16:06 |
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| ashtokolov | I will update the releases schedule with all milestones for 9.x, 10.x and 11 releases tomorrow | 16:07 |
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| ashtokolov | #topic Open discussions | 16:07 |
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| ashtokolov | Please feel free to ask your questions, if any | 16:08 |
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| ashtokolov | Ok, looks like that's all | 16:11 |
| ashtokolov | Thanks | 16:11 |
| ashtokolov | #endmeeting | 16:11 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting security | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 15 17:01:38 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:01 |
| lhinds | o/ | 17:01 |
| singlethink | o/ | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | Hi all, sorry for the delay, my bouncer died and that took me a second to figure out :) | 17:01 |
| tkelsey | ol | 17:02 |
| mdong | o/ | 17:02 |
| capnoday | o/ | 17:02 |
| tkelsey | *o/ | 17:02 |
| vds | o/ | 17:02 |
| knangia | o/ | 17:02 |
| unrahul | o/ | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | I don't think a huge amount has happened but the standing agenda, as always, is here: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | ok, lets crack on then :) | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Syntribos | 17:03 |
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| hyakuhei | How's it going guys? | 17:03 |
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| unrahul | hey guys | 17:04 |
| lhinds | good thanks hyakuhei | 17:04 |
| unrahul | so we are still continuing testing of swift this week as well, mostly tyring to DoS swift by writing large amount of data | 17:04 |
| unrahul | deleting , writing at the same time .. and things of that sort.. | 17:04 |
| mdong | they sent us a list of fun things to try | 17:04 |
| unrahul | we are also working on redesigning the parser , I think mdong just pushed a patch for it | 17:05 |
| unrahul | yup.. indeed they did.. | 17:05 |
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| unrahul | the swift team here at OSIC has helped us identifying possible places where we should look at | 17:05 |
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| notmyname | unrahul: what are you expecting to find with large amounts of read/write to swift? (or where's the better channel to ask this if not here in the meeting) | 17:05 |
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| unrahul | pdardeau , ntata etc of the swift team | 17:06 |
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| unrahul | well we are trying to see if the proxy would be able to handle it.. and will there be delays or when we try to write files with null characters if things work okay etc | 17:06 |
| singlethink | Are you checking the consistency of the resulting objects? Or is that out of scope? | 17:07 |
| unrahul | notmyname: basically a set of smoke tests to identify if everything would work as normal.. | 17:07 |
| unrahul | singlethink: consistency in what way..? | 17:07 |
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| singlethink | if I write, then delete, then read the object shouldn't be there | 17:07 |
| unrahul | like if the file md5s remains the same? | 17:07 |
| singlethink | that sort of stuff | 17:07 |
| unrahul | yup.. | 17:07 |
| singlethink | that too | 17:07 |
| unrahul | we are trying things like that, create delete, then try to read.. and if we create a lot of containers and delete them and at the same time write to it.. if things go haywire.. | 17:08 |
| singlethink | cool | 17:08 |
| notmyname | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2016-December/018132.html would be a good overview of what to expect and not expect | 17:09 |
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| unrahul | thanks notmyname we shall go through it.. | 17:09 |
| unrahul | if there is anything else you guys are curious about regarding swift,.. we could try and test it.. as well. | 17:10 |
| notmyname | also, you might what to look at swift's probe tests which are set up to test this exact sort of thing, albeit in a very controlled way. it's very difficult to test edge cases in swift when you're treating it like a black box | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | That's a nicely written email | 17:10 |
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| notmyname | thanks | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | Though a tldr might have helped :P | 17:10 |
| unrahul | other than that.. we are also trying to test the ACL controls of swift as well.. lets see if something comes up.. | 17:10 |
| unrahul | notmyname: thats a detailed email.. thank you for the link :) | 17:11 |
| notmyname | unrahul: lol, I thought I glossed over all of the real details ;-) | 17:11 |
| unrahul | thats it from us.. mdong anything else? | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | You guys have discussed what your releases are going to look line in terms of lining up with community expectations right? I'm sure we covered that in one of those meetings where I was trying to do too many things at once | 17:12 |
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| hyakuhei | I'll take that as a yes I guess :) | 17:13 |
| unrahul | ehh.. hyakuhei yes.. So this time, we are trying to push the major patch of simplifying templates and writing some smoke tests, fixing bugs.. if there is time, request chaning | 17:13 |
| unrahul | as well.. | 17:14 |
| unrahul | is that what you had in mind? | 17:14 |
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| mdong | I think the answer is a no. Which meeting was this discussed in? I must’ve missed it personally | 17:14 |
| unrahul | we had said what we would be doing this cycle.. a few meetings back.. | 17:15 |
| unrahul | but I am not sure if there is anything else, like a mailing list summary that we have to give..hyakuhei ? | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | We don't need to do that, just making sure we follow the release schedule, milestones etc. | 17:15 |
| unrahul | We are releasing out of cycle for now, should we try to release the new version along with the cycle.. from next time.., I think out of cycle release would help us a little bit.. | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Seems reasonable | 17:18 |
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| unrahul | As we are using a lot of openstack clients in our extensions.. we could help from waiting for them to be released and if there are no bugs, release syntribos then.. | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | So long as that's communicated in the appropriate way | 17:18 |
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| unrahul | we could add this in our release note, when we release next time, that we are following this out of cycle release, because of these .. things.. | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | That sounds reasonable, I'm sure there's an #openstack-thing that we can do to say we're not in the normal release cycle | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | @fungi might know | 17:19 |
| unrahul | yup..we shall talk to @fungi , thanks hyakuhei | 17:20 |
| fungi | catching up | 17:20 |
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| hyakuhei | hey @fungi we're making a bigger effort to look and smell like any other OpenStack project | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | the Syntribos team doesn't currently follow the release cycle | 17:21 |
| fungi | oh, right that used to be handled with governance tags on each deliverable, but is tracked with metadata in teh releases repo since a month or two ago | 17:21 |
| * fungi find link for you | 17:21 | |
| hyakuhei | I knew something had changed recently... thanks @fungi | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | neither does the bandit or anchor teams of course. | 17:22 |
| fungi | looks like it gets reflected in http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/releases/tree/deliverables/ocata | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent, thank you @fungi | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | ok I think we are ready to move on, thanks for coming by fungi | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:23 |
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| fungi | right now you have http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/releases/tree/deliverables/_independent/syntribos.yaml | 17:23 |
| fungi | you're welcome, always happy to help | 17:23 |
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| hyakuhei | lhinds lets talk OSSN | 17:24 |
| unrahul | thanks fungi | 17:24 |
| lhinds | k. | 17:25 |
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| lhinds | one is out on embargo, public next week (one of yours hyakuhei) | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | finally :) | 17:25 |
| lhinds | that leaves two outstanding..one is for you hyakuhei (the other nova one) which is almost ready to go. | 17:25 |
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| lhinds | take a look if you can at my last comment, we might be able to get that one out to then. | 17:26 |
| lhinds | the other remaining ossn is against travis, who I guess is on PTO atm. | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, is it something I could help with lhinds ? | 17:26 |
| lhinds | sure, please take a look at the last one against you set to 'new' | 17:27 |
| lhinds | tristian just made a commment | 17:27 |
| lhinds | but most of the draft is there, so should just need a minor poke to get it out. | 17:28 |
| lhinds | I will chase up the other note with tmcpeak when he returns. | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | ok I'll take a look shortly | 17:28 |
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| lhinds | thx! | 17:29 |
| lhinds | that;s it for now, can move to the next item. | 17:29 |
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| hyakuhei | ok, next item is.... blog | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Blog | 17:29 |
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| hyakuhei | Just some encouragement here for people to contribute | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Including me | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Who's been very bad at not delivering on the LF badge posting | 17:30 |
| lhinds | I will try to do some more, I need to fix up my post, I reverted it as the date was wrong. | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Ah righto | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | do we have capnoday with us? | 17:31 |
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| capnoday | sup | 17:31 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Review | 17:31 |
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| hyakuhei | capnoday I know there's not much to report but say something insightful to inspire the crew over the xmas period | 17:32 |
| capnoday | sorry, day job just happened | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | that's depressing not inspiring | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | didn't you push a big update to the template this week? | 17:33 |
| capnoday | ok, I've just pushed up a new template for architecture pages | 17:33 |
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| capnoday | its designed to match the new process we developed in Austin | 17:33 |
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| ashcrack | i'm totally new here. i want to support you in sec review or audit or anything else. can you give me some tipps how can i do? | 17:33 |
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| capnoday | thats great ashcrack! | 17:34 |
| capnoday | we are still developing the process, so having someone else to help out with that would be really good | 17:34 |
| ashcrack | nice. should we talk about how i can help after finishing the agenda? | 17:34 |
| capnoday | over the break im going to get the process up to date, so we should be good to run through it in january | 17:35 |
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| lhinds | hi ashcrack , would you be Björn by any chance? | 17:35 |
| capnoday | ashcrack sounds good | 17:35 |
| ashcrack | you are right lhinds | 17:36 |
| lhinds | ok, cool. Nice to have you here to get involved! | 17:36 |
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| hyakuhei | +1 welcome ashcrack | 17:36 |
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| ashcrack | lhinds | 17:36 |
| ashcrack | your are jeremy?! | 17:37 |
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| lhinds | ashcrack: Luke Hinds | 17:37 |
| fungi | ashcrack: yes | 17:37 |
| fungi | ashcrack: i'm jeremy | 17:37 |
| fungi | well, i'm _a_ jeremy anyway | 17:37 |
| ashcrack | ah sorry^^ | 17:37 |
| lhinds | well yes, he is jeremy ^ :P | 17:37 |
| lhinds | I replied to your email on the list. good to have you | 17:37 |
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| fungi | ashcrack: i just replied to the e-mail you sent me as well | 17:37 |
| fungi | welcome! | 17:38 |
| ashcrack | i get it few minutes ago | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent | 17:38 |
| lhinds | ashcrack: I am just thinking, your at university? | 17:38 |
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| lhinds | *you're | 17:38 |
| hyakuhei | Do we have any sec-guide folks around? | 17:39 |
| ashcrack | yes. i'm writing my thesis | 17:39 |
| capnoday | sicarie? | 17:39 |
| lhinds | k, maybe intern stuff might be of use to you, we can look into later | 17:39 |
| lhinds | sorry hyakuhei , as you are.. | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:39 |
| ashcrack | ok | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | We don't have a sicarie this week. | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | I don't know of any big changes in docs. | 17:40 |
| lhinds | nothing in review atm | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | Well that takes us to AOB | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Any Other Business | 17:40 |
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| lhinds | festive meeting schedules? | 17:40 |
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| hyakuhei | Ah yes | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | I vote we meet again after NYD | 17:40 |
| lhinds | sounds gtm | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | That'd be the 5th of Jan | 17:41 |
| lhinds | so the 5th of Jan? | 17:41 |
| capnoday | +1 | 17:41 |
| lhinds | +1 | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | ok excellent | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | That passes | 17:41 |
| hyakuhei | Glad you mentioned it, I'd forgotten. | 17:41 |
| lhinds | np | 17:41 |
| capnoday | hyakuhei update from sicarie - he cant tell the time. also no-op on the guide | 17:42 |
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| hyakuhei | rojer! | 17:42 |
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| hyakuhei | heh | 17:42 |
| singlethink | Cisco is shutting down it's biggest OpenStack cloud deployment(s): http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/13/cisco_to_kill_its_intercloud_public_cloud_on_march_31st_2017/ | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, anything else people? | 17:42 |
| singlethink | :-/ | 17:42 |
| hyakuhei | :-/ | 17:42 |
| capnoday | and yet the foundation is worried about what animal each team will be represented by... | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | now now, we love our duly elected overlords. | 17:43 |
| capnoday | go pangolins! | 17:43 |
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| capnoday | speaking of which, is there anything we need to cover for the PTG or PTL elections | 17:44 |
| fungi | well, the foundation's marketing team is striving to have better ways to display non-wall-of-text representations of openstack as a whole, and having mascots/logos helps they do that so i'm not going to dissuade them. ultimately we do rely a lot on their marketing prowess | 17:44 |
| hyakuhei | I'll cover it on the 5th, elections start in the 3rd week of Jan I think | 17:44 |
| fungi | s/they/them/ | 17:45 |
| capnoday | thanks fungi, I (partly) joke | 17:45 |
| capnoday | hyakuhei awesome | 17:45 |
| fungi | capnoday: i can totally see how it would seem trivial/silly, so completely understand | 17:45 |
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| hyakuhei | ok, I think that's it, have a good day all, talk to you after the holidays! | 17:46 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 15 17:47:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-12-15-17.01.html | 17:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-12-15-17.01.txt | 17:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-12-15-17.01.log.html | 17:47 |
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| lhinds | thanks all have a nice break | 17:47 |
| singlethink | happy holidays! | 17:47 |
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| unrahul | happy holidays! | 17:49 |
| capnoday | thanks everybody | 17:50 |
| capnoday | ashcrack lets talk in openstack-security | 17:50 |
| ashcrack | k | 17:50 |
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| ttx | SpamapS: meeting ? | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | ttx: oh right | 20:02 |
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| SpamapS | #startmeeting arch_wg | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 15 20:03:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SpamapS. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'arch_wg' | 20:03 |
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| SpamapS | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Arch-WG#Agenda | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | Courtesy ping for nikhil, harlowja, dstanek, kragniz, auggy, rockyg, rocky_g, kgiusti | 20:04 |
| SpamapS | #topic previous meeting action items | 20:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:04 | |
| cdent | my calendar is confused again | 20:04 |
| * cdent fixes | 20:04 | |
| SpamapS | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/ | 20:04 |
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| SpamapS | * SpamapS email proposed arch-wg repo process to openstack-dev | 20:05 |
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| SpamapS | Unfortunately I have had 0 time for arch-wg the last 2 weeks. :-/ | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | so, carrying | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | #action SpamapS email proposed arch-wg repo process to openstack-dev | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399201/1 | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | * ttx to actually submit base services etherpad contents to arch-wg repo | 20:06 |
| ttx | done | 20:06 |
| ttx | not much comments | 20:06 |
| ttx | thanks cdent :) | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | #link https://review.openstack.org/406049 | 20:06 |
| cdent | you're very welcome | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | Sorry again, haven't been able to do arch-wg stuff. | 20:06 |
| ttx | temporary or permanent ? | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | temporary | 20:07 |
| ttx | great! | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | Just lots of chaos. | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | * SpamapS write up nova-compute rant as a proposal to arch-wg repo | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | obviously didn't do that. :-p | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | #action SpamapS write up nova-compute rant as a proposal to arch-wg repo | 20:07 |
| * cdent is very curious about that (having missed a few meetings) | 20:07 | |
| SpamapS | I did actually start writing it but not enough to submit. :-P | 20:08 |
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| SpamapS | * Rockyg to write up implementation bleed-through thoughts and submit to arch-wg repo | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | I don't see a rocky so we'll carry | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | #action Rockyg to write up implementation bleed-through thoughts and submit to arch-wg repo | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | #topic Proposal Process Review | 20:09 |
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| SpamapS | The process is still slow. Mostly due to lack of engagement. I hope again to get back to it. | 20:09 |
| ttx | I will work on more once the first one is processed :P | 20:10 |
| SpamapS | Right | 20:10 |
| SpamapS | at a glance, it looks fine. :) | 20:10 |
| SpamapS | but I do want to read it carefully | 20:10 |
| SpamapS | do we have enough people with +2? | 20:10 |
| SpamapS | I think dtroyer was a person with +2.. don't see him here either | 20:10 |
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| SpamapS | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/1615,members | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | I think we'll go with one +2 for now | 20:13 |
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| SpamapS | #topic Proposals for work | 20:13 |
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| SpamapS | * Base Services - ttx | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | cdent: I see your +1. Does anyone else want to ask ttx questions? | 20:13 |
| ttx | frankly it's more a definition than anything else | 20:14 |
| cdent | that +1 is basically "you addressed the issues I saw and this seems like a good start, so why not ship it" | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | cool | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | yeah that's fine | 20:14 |
| ttx | and also lays out the challenges in modifying that in the future | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | Don't despair. We'll start landing stuff soon. Holiday times are tough. | 20:14 |
| ttx | end-of-year is tough too. random tasks falling like snow | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | yep | 20:15 |
| ttx | yearly reports :) | 20:15 |
| ttx | don't expect january to be any better though | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | Yeah | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | I hope we have 3 or 4 proposals in the pipe and maybe one in process by then though | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | but yeah.. timing | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | #topic Open Discussion | 20:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:16 | |
| SpamapS | One thing ... I think we may have to rethink the APAC slot | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | I can't seem to make it. | 20:16 |
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| SpamapS | I always plan to, but things seem to constantly come up at that hour | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | anyway, I may just send a message asking for who wants it, and if we get low interest.. cancel the APAC slot | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | but I'll try one more time next week | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | anything else? | 20:18 |
| cdent | I just briefly skimmed the logs about api-wg not addressing implementation bleedthrough. I can confimr the api-wg has not been doing that, but not because it isn't something we/they care about. "Good HTTP" has had the priority bit for more than a year now. | 20:18 |
| ttx | should we plan to skip next 2 meetings ? | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | cdent: :) | 20:18 |
| cdent | +1 on skip next wo | 20:18 |
| cdent | two! | 20:18 |
| ttx | I won't be around on te 29th for sure :) | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | #action SpamapS send message to openstack-dev cancelling further 2016 meetings. | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | agreed | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | cdent: Yeah I figure it's something we could work on jointly. | 20:20 |
| cdent | ✔ | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | Because right now, there's just no line drawn | 20:20 |
| cdent | it's certainly all over the place | 20:20 |
| cdent | yeah | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | I have something coming up in meatspace, so I need to shut down the meeting. All good? | 20:21 |
| cdent | yarp | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | thanks so much for showing up ... happy holidays. See you all in 2017. | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | #endmeeting | 20:22 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 15 20:22:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/arch_wg.2016-12-15-20.03.html | 20:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/arch_wg.2016-12-15-20.03.txt | 20:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/arch_wg.2016-12-15-20.03.log.html | 20:22 |
| ttx | SpamapS: thanks! | 20:22 |
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| loquacities | anyone here for the docs meeting? | 20:59 |
| iphutch | o// | 20:59 |
| skelso | I'm here. | 20:59 |
| loquacities | heya :) | 20:59 |
| darrenc | hello o/ | 20:59 |
| loquacities | i was wondering if anyone would come ;) | 20:59 |
| bsilverman_ | o/ | 20:59 |
| loquacities | oh hi darrenc | 20:59 |
| ankur-gupta | o/ | 20:59 |
| loquacities | ok, let's get started :) | 21:00 |
| loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 15 21:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 21:00 |
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| asettle | Hello | 21:01 |
| asettle | o/ | 21:01 |
| asettle | Sorry | 21:01 |
| loquacities | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:01 | |
| asettle | Late to the doccall | 21:01 |
| loquacities | doesn't look like we have any actions | 21:01 |
| loquacities | asettle: hi! | 21:01 |
| asettle | hola! | 21:01 |
| loquacities | #topic Specs in review | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs in review (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:01 | |
| asettle | I have stayed awake! | 21:01 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 21:01 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/408558 [ha-guide] Proposal to improve the HA guide for Ocata/Pike | 21:01 |
| asettle | Hello | 21:02 |
| asettle | This is me | 21:02 |
| loquacities | indeed :) | 21:02 |
| bsilverman_ | Hello Alex :slightly_smiling_face: | 21:02 |
| asettle | HEYA :D | 21:02 |
| asettle | Would love more reviews on this one :) bsilverman_ and the guys from the HA team have had a solid debate, I think we've agreed that it's to stay in the ha-guide | 21:02 |
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| asettle | So, if the core team is okay with this we should pass it | 21:03 |
| asettle | However, we do need a dedicated team | 21:03 |
| asettle | 10/10 would recommend that we organise a sprint/swarm of some kind | 21:03 |
| bsilverman_ | The point about it staying until the arch-guide is in better shape made sense. | 21:03 |
| loquacities | agreed | 21:03 |
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| loquacities | so we just need some core love on that one then | 21:03 |
| asettle | bsilverman_: absolutely 10/10 agree | 21:03 |
| asettle | I think so, yes | 21:03 |
| asettle | And then we can start some planning | 21:04 |
| bsilverman_ | but at some point I definitely believe it needs to be decentralized again. | 21:04 |
| asettle | Planning that should 100% happen in conjunction with the arch guide team. Perhaps we can merge? | 21:04 |
| asettle | Merge taems, that is. | 21:04 |
| asettle | teams* | 21:04 |
| bsilverman_ | I think once we get a good handle on what we have, that way Shaun and I can contribute. | 21:04 |
| bsilverman_ | to HA | 21:04 |
| loquacities | cool | 21:05 |
| loquacities | ok, the only other one we have is ... | 21:05 |
| asettle | Sounds good, perhaps we merge the concentrated efforts. Those who are interested in the HA guide and Arch guide can have a joint specialty team? | 21:05 |
| asettle | For now. | 21:05 |
| asettle | Sorry. | 21:05 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391786/ Proposed use case form | 21:05 |
| asettle | Sepaking of the arch guide | 21:05 |
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| bsilverman_ | I thought we put this one to bed, but we still haven’t heard from Shaun have we? | 21:06 |
| loquacities | it's been banhammered | 21:06 |
| asettle | No, I don't believe so. But I think we need to take ownership bsilverman_ he's been very busy with work | 21:06 |
| loquacities | i might just abandon it to get it off the radar | 21:06 |
| asettle | Shaun's usually okay with that type of ownership | 21:06 |
| asettle | Thoughts bsilverman_ ? | 21:06 |
| bsilverman_ | We’re trying to solve a problem, if we’re going to abandon, we still are left with the problem. | 21:06 |
| loquacities | yes, but i'd rather resolve it on the mailing list than in gerrit | 21:07 |
| loquacities | same with the HA guide one, tbh | 21:07 |
| bsilverman_ | So I think we need a new a new proposed solution. | 21:07 |
| bsilverman_ | yea | 21:07 |
| asettle | Okay, perhaps we abandon that particular spec. And then we work on plan B. | 21:07 |
| asettle | The HA guide spec should pass. I think that has relevant content that should be worked on. | 21:07 |
| loquacities | so, let's leave this out there, and when i get back from leave in jan, i'll follow up both of them on the mailing listy | 21:07 |
| loquacities | list* | 21:07 |
| bsilverman_ | I am guilty of the gerrit abuse on HA :slightly_smiling_face: | 21:07 |
| asettle | loquacities: please, that would be good | 21:08 |
| loquacities | meh, we all do it, bsilverman_ ;) | 21:08 |
| asettle | Add as an action item, loquacities ? | 21:08 |
| loquacities | ok, making a note | 21:08 |
| loquacities | yep | 21:08 |
| asettle | Cool, thanks :) | 21:08 |
| bsilverman_ | I have no problem with it as written | 21:08 |
| loquacities | #action loquacities to follow up on both specs in the new year on the mailing list | 21:08 |
| loquacities | ok, let's move on | 21:08 |
| loquacities | #topic Speciality teams reports | 21:08 |
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| loquacities | i suspect we can probably move through this pretty quickly | 21:08 |
| loquacities | i only have one speciality team report here, from john | 21:09 |
| JRobinson__ | Hi all, sorry I was 5 minutes late. | 21:09 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: hi! | 21:09 |
| JRobinson__ | o/ loquacities | 21:09 |
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| loquacities | API: Anne Gentle | 21:09 |
| loquacities | (not here) | 21:09 |
| loquacities | Configuration Reference and CLI Reference: Tomoyuki Kato | 21:09 |
| loquacities | (not here) | 21:09 |
| loquacities | High Availability Guide: Andrew Beekhof | 21:09 |
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| loquacities | asettle: did you have anything to report on the HA guide? | 21:09 |
| annegentle | loquacities here | 21:09 |
| loquacities | oh! hi annegentle! | 21:10 |
| annegentle | ohai | 21:10 |
| loquacities | sorry, didn't see you sneak in :) | 21:10 |
| asettle | loquacities: ping me after API :p | 21:10 |
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| loquacities | asettle: yep | 21:10 |
| annegentle | link: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+file:api-ref | 21:10 |
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| annegentle | Only note from API land is that the teams are chugging along -- not many net-new API listings | 21:11 |
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| annegentle | But plenty of reviews in progress | 21:11 |
| loquacities | cool | 21:11 |
| loquacities | thanks annegentle | 21:11 |
| loquacities | asettle: HA guide? | 21:11 |
| asettle | Hey! | 21:12 |
| asettle | So, as we saw, the HA guide spec is underway | 21:12 |
| asettle | Although regardless of the spec I believe we should be very attentive to the HA guide blueprint at hand | 21:12 |
| asettle | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/implement-ha-guide-todos | 21:12 |
| asettle | Which is currently underway for anyone interested | 21:12 |
| asettle | We are looking to spend some quality time going through the bug list: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bugs?field.tag=ha-guide | 21:12 |
| loquacities | don't forget to link your patches to that blueprint, too | 21:12 |
| asettle | And figuring out what is still applicable (removing any of those out of date) and moving through the list of updates required | 21:12 |
| asettle | Thank you loquacities :) that is important | 21:13 |
| asettle | If anyone is interested in helping in the HA guide, hit us up. Last few weeks I have finished all edits I planned to do. | 21:13 |
| asettle | But this is now a top priority regardless of spec. | 21:13 |
| asettle | BUGS \o/ | 21:13 |
| loquacities | cool | 21:13 |
| loquacities | :P | 21:13 |
| * asettle takes a breath | 21:13 | |
| loquacities | ok, next up is | 21:13 |
| loquacities | Hypervisor Tuning Guide: Joe Topjian | 21:13 |
| loquacities | (not here) | 21:13 |
| loquacities | Installation guides: Lana Brindley | 21:14 |
| loquacities | So, for install guides, we have a wireframe for you to look at | 21:14 |
| loquacities | #link https://openstack.invisionapp.com/share/ZF9OLTYND | 21:14 |
| loquacities | if you click on the little grid picture in the bottom right corner, you can see the two versions | 21:14 |
| loquacities | and if you click on comments you can read/leave comments | 21:14 |
| loquacities | in january, we'll need to make a decision on the final design, and start to create patches for it | 21:15 |
| asettle | On that note, I liked the mockups. | 21:15 |
| asettle | the first one. | 21:15 |
| asettle | With the pictures. | 21:15 |
| loquacities | yeah, me too | 21:15 |
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| loquacities | and i think it could work nicely to bring that design through to the main page eventually too | 21:15 |
| loquacities | anyway, that's all from install guides | 21:15 |
| asettle | Is this something we are planning to apply to the deployment stuff too? | 21:15 |
| loquacities | probably, yes | 21:15 |
| asettle | Okay. Using mascots or...? | 21:15 |
| loquacities | no, probably by distro still | 21:16 |
| annegentle | is it not possible to see your own comments once you post them? | 21:16 |
| annegentle | I've posted two comments, does anyone see them? | 21:16 |
| loquacities | yep, you need to click on the numbers | 21:16 |
| loquacities | it's very unintuitive | 21:16 |
| bsilverman_ | I left comments too, I liked the pictures. | 21:16 |
| loquacities | annegentle: i see your comments | 21:17 |
| annegentle | loquacities ok | 21:17 |
| loquacities | cool, let's move on | 21:17 |
| loquacities | Networking Guide: John Davidge | 21:17 |
| loquacities | from John: | 21:17 |
| loquacities | Not much from the networking guide this week. A couple more patches in flight to address the OSC transition. This one looks good to me: | 21:17 |
| loquacities | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410550/ | 21:17 |
| loquacities | Haven’t looked at Ankur’s other patch yet but will get to it soon. | 21:17 |
| loquacities | Operations and Architecture Design guides: Shilla Saebi | 21:18 |
| loquacities | darrenc: anything to add here? | 21:18 |
| darrenc | nothing much to report | 21:18 |
| loquacities | ok, np | 21:18 |
| darrenc | we've abandoned the specialty team meeting, and referred everyone to this meeting | 21:18 |
| ankur-gupta | :) | 21:18 |
| loquacities | oh, nice | 21:18 |
| asettle | Cool darrenc :) | 21:18 |
| loquacities | ok, next up ... | 21:19 |
| loquacities | Security Guide: Nathaniel Dillon | 21:19 |
| loquacities | I don't think Nathaniel is here? | 21:19 |
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| loquacities | nope | 21:20 |
| loquacities | Training Guides: Matjaz Pancur | 21:20 |
| loquacities | (not here) | 21:20 |
| loquacities | Training labs: Pranav Salunke, Roger Luethi | 21:20 |
| loquacities | those guys don't seem to be here, either | 21:20 |
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| iphutch | For security guides I was looking to help out on docs but wasn't able to establish a source for up to date content. | 21:21 |
| loquacities | iphutch: in what context? | 21:21 |
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| iphutch | At the moment, the guide is out of date and needs review for nova and neutron | 21:21 |
| iphutch | but beyond source code there hasn't been specific bugs filed for out of date content | 21:21 |
| loquacities | yeah, most of our aging bugs in the queue are security guide related, too | 21:22 |
| loquacities | i think it's starting to date quite badly | 21:22 |
| loquacities | perhaps we need to find out if nathaniel is still able to work on it | 21:22 |
| iphutch | agreed | 21:22 |
| annegentle | iphutch when you say "source" what do you mean? | 21:22 |
| loquacities | iphutch: do you mind taking that as an action? (to chase nathaniel) | 21:23 |
| annegentle | iphutch the doc source or a person? | 21:23 |
| iphutch | I should say, other than taking a deep dive into nova/neutron code to find up to date security info | 21:23 |
| loquacities | i'm not sure the source code would even help you much in that case | 21:23 |
| asettle | So, that was actually me that recommended iphutch take on the install guide. Similar to how I've attacked the HA guide. | 21:23 |
| loquacities | asettle: it's a good plan | 21:24 |
| asettle | In all honesty, a lot of the guides that were done in a sprint or otherwise are out of day | 21:24 |
| asettle | date* | 21:24 |
| asettle | Arch, HA, security | 21:24 |
| loquacities | yep | 21:24 |
| asettle | We have specialty teams but nobody is keeping it up to date | 21:24 |
| asettle | It is good to have a writer AND an SME on board | 21:24 |
| asettle | But we don't have that currently | 21:24 |
| asettle | I would be good if iphutch could go through the guide, edit it, file bugs, and report back with findings in a week | 21:24 |
| loquacities | ok, let's make an action to chase this up | 21:24 |
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| bsilverman_ | The security guide should probably outline best practices and refer any timely security patching to the foundation’s security team pages. | 21:24 |
| loquacities | bsilverman_: i believe that's the way it's structured, yes | 21:25 |
| asettle | But we do need to address in the new year the fact that a lot of these guides are not being looked after and we do not have the bandwidth to do so | 21:25 |
| loquacities | agreed | 21:25 |
| loquacities | #action iphutch to chase up the security speciality team to discuss future of guide (with asettle and loquacities) | 21:26 |
| iphutch | I am happy to be the writer if I can get a SME on board | 21:26 |
| loquacities | ok, last but not least is (drumroll please) | 21:26 |
| iphutch | will do | 21:26 |
| asettle | iphutch: thank you :) | 21:26 |
| loquacities | User guides: Joseph Robinson | 21:26 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: what do you have? | 21:26 |
| asettle | \o/ | 21:26 |
| JRobinson__ | The Legacy command changes are continuing at the moment | 21:26 |
| JRobinson__ | I've updated the task list with more files | 21:26 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ReorganizeUserGuides#Legacy_to_OpenStack_command_conversion_table | 21:27 |
| bsilverman_ | I have a whole chapter in an upcoming book on OpenStack security, when it’s published next month, I’ll send you the chapter ophutch. | 21:27 |
| JRobinson__ | I'm aiming to have all the commands from the End User Guide added. | 21:27 |
| bsilverman_ | err iphutch | 21:27 |
| loquacities | nice work, JRobinson__ :) | 21:27 |
| loquacities | ok, any final comments on speciality teams? | 21:28 |
| asettle | JRobinson__: do you have any books complete yet? | 21:28 |
| JRobinson__ | One more bug item - | 21:28 |
| asettle | Slash, could you tell us what is left to do etC? | 21:28 |
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| JRobinson__ | asettle, at the moment, I'd say about maybe over half the end user guide has been worked through. | 21:28 |
| JRobinson__ | As a goal I want to get that one compelted. | 21:29 |
| JRobinson__ | ^completed | 21:29 |
| asettle | Cool :) that's great. Admin guide? | 21:29 |
| asettle | I've seen a lot of patches. And ankur-gupta has been helping out a lot too floating between the config guides too I believe. | 21:29 |
| JRobinson__ | The Administrator guide needs attention, maybe a bit after that, but time constraints means I'll start listing commands from there too within the next week. | 21:29 |
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| JRobinson__ | for sure, and thanks ankur-gupta for your help here :) | 21:30 |
| JRobinson__ | That bug question: | 21:30 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1648101 | 21:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1648101 in openstack-manuals "ip netns - needed for cheat sheet in End User Guide?" [Undecided,New] | 21:30 |
| ankur-gupta | Yes please let me know if there is anything else i can help out with | 21:30 |
| annegentle | JRobinson__ I learned that is a Linux-only command. | 21:30 |
| annegentle | JRobinson__ and since our CLI installation instructions also cover Win/Mac I wonder if it's necessary. | 21:30 |
| annegentle | Anyone have an opinion? | 21:31 |
| JRobinson__ | annegentle, yes, it looked like a specific use case. Not sure how often users had encountered or sed the $ ip netns command | 21:31 |
| loquacities | it should at least be marked, either way | 21:31 |
| JRobinson__ | ^used. | 21:31 |
| annegentle | loquacities that might be the clearest way to show it | 21:32 |
| loquacities | ok | 21:32 |
| loquacities | shall we move on then? | 21:32 |
| annegentle | JRobinson__ I can take that bug | 21:32 |
| bsilverman_ | It’s used a lot in troubleshooting linux network issues with instances. | 21:32 |
| JRobinson__ | ankur-gupta, if anything on the table leaps out, go for it - I can update the table after the patch is up, so don't worry about the admin side of things too much. | 21:32 |
| annegentle | bsilverman_ yeah | 21:32 |
| annegentle | JRobinson__ can you triage it for me? | 21:32 |
| JRobinson__ | annegentle, thanks, yes, triage now | 21:33 |
| loquacities | #topic Countdown to release: | 21:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Countdown to release: (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:33 | |
| bsilverman_ | It’s the only way I know to really find out about the namespaces that instances are using. | 21:33 |
| loquacities | 68 days to go | 21:33 |
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| loquacities | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OcataDeliverables | 21:33 |
| annegentle | bsilverman_ yeah, but you do need to be on a Linux machine to use it, so we should indicate that. | 21:33 |
| loquacities | #topic PTG Atlanta Feb 20-24 2017 | 21:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG Atlanta Feb 20-24 2017 (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:34 | |
| loquacities | #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg Event info | 21:34 |
| loquacities | #link https://pikeptg.eventbrite.com/ Tickets | 21:34 |
| loquacities | i believe there are still tickets available | 21:34 |
| bsilverman_ | annegentle: agreed. | 21:34 |
| loquacities | #info Docs is on Monday/Tuesday | 21:34 |
| loquacities | #topic Open discussion | 21:34 |
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| asettle | Anyone going? | 21:34 |
| asettle | To the PTG | 21:34 |
| asettle | That is | 21:34 |
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| annegentle | yep, I'll be there asettle | 21:34 |
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| asettle | Cool! In theory I will be, but *stay tuned* | 21:35 |
| annegentle | nice | 21:35 |
| bsilverman_ | I still need to get approval, need to explain it to company. | 21:35 |
| JRobinson__ | I'm aiming to go - approval is also under discussion. | 21:35 |
| iphutch | Ill be there if we get the final budget thumbs up | 21:35 |
| bsilverman_ | Have they announced what the “discount” will be off of the Boston summit if we go? | 21:35 |
| loquacities | not that i've seen | 21:36 |
| annegentle | I had a topic I want to bring up here first -- | 21:36 |
| JRobinson__ | #info the ticket refund date is February 13 - time available for refunds depending on team and organisation budgets. | 21:36 |
| annegentle | I noticed a few "cinder" CLI commands in the Horizon UI | 21:36 |
| asettle | Ohhhh I see, good info JRobinson__ | 21:36 |
| annegentle | as explanatory text. | 21:36 |
| bsilverman_ | true | 21:36 |
| asettle | annegentle: oh? | 21:36 |
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| asettle | Have you an example anywhere? | 21:36 |
| annegentle | Do you think it would be ok to propose a blueprint to move those to osc after the docs are updated? | 21:36 |
| annegentle | asettle just a sec, yeah | 21:37 |
| asettle | Also, I should mention to those that are doing the CLI command conversion, I spoke to Joe too... do not change swift commands. | 21:37 |
| asettle | Swift is sticking with 'swift' until further notice. | 21:37 |
| asettle | The 'openstack' command is not entirely supported. | 21:37 |
| loquacities | annegentle: yes, i think that's a good idea | 21:37 |
| annegentle | so, log in as admin, go to Admin > Volumes and then click Create Volume Type. | 21:37 |
| annegentle | I don't think there's a huge number of them but it would be nice to update | 21:37 |
| annegentle | "This is equivalent to the cinder type-create command." | 21:38 |
| annegentle | So it's not even the entire command. | 21:38 |
| asettle | Interesting annegentle I hadn't see that. Thank you! | 21:38 |
| asettle | Is that a cinder bug or it just incomplete? Or a horizon thing? | 21:38 |
| asettle | That's confusing. | 21:38 |
| annegentle | asettle I see it as a horizon bug | 21:38 |
| loquacities | maybe we should ping horizon | 21:39 |
| annegentle | asettle but I may not understand their plugin model | 21:39 |
| asettle | Okay, should we file? I mean, I feel bad, it's only Richard and Rob that are basically Horizon now | 21:39 |
| annegentle | asettle as to where the strings "live" | 21:39 |
| asettle | annegentle: fair enough | 21:39 |
| annegentle | asettle oh we could do these edits ourselves | 21:39 |
| asettle | loquacities: could you ping Richard? | 21:39 |
| annegentle | that's why I'm bringing it up here | 21:39 |
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| asettle | annegentle: we could? Okay. We should then. | 21:39 |
| loquacities | yeah, sure | 21:39 |
| annegentle | but need to understand where those strings are, what translation affect it might have, whether the strings will still fit in boxes, etc. | 21:39 |
| david-lyle | what's the ask for horizon? | 21:40 |
| annegentle | I bet Richard would know that sort of stuff | 21:40 |
| loquacities | #action loquacities to ping Richard Jones about cinder commands in horizon | 21:40 |
| annegentle | hey david-lyle | 21:40 |
| david-lyle | hi annegentle :) | 21:40 |
| annegentle | david-lyle ask could be "hey are these pluggable strings and how do I edit them and would it affect translations and box sizes" | 21:40 |
| asettle | david-lyle: it's like you have a radar for the word 'horizon' | 21:40 |
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| david-lyle | I do watch for it | 21:41 |
| annegentle | david-lyle and "hey are the strings stored closer to cinder or horizon?" | 21:41 |
| david-lyle | all the strings should be from horizon | 21:41 |
| annegentle | david-lyle for reviews and such | 21:41 |
| asettle | david-lyle: I do that for 'docs' :P | 21:41 |
| david-lyle | we try not to pass on any unlocalized strings to users | 21:41 |
| david-lyle | so if there is an issue with some text, filing a bug in horizon is the best place. | 21:42 |
| asettle | annegentle: in that case, we can probably do it? | 21:42 |
| david-lyle | plugins can provide strings as well, but cinder support is internal to horizon | 21:42 |
| annegentle | david-lyle ok | 21:42 |
| david-lyle | something like manila or sahara would own their own strings | 21:42 |
| annegentle | david-lyle but if the size of the text changes is that a non-issue? | 21:42 |
| annegentle | cinder is fewer letters than openstack for example | 21:42 |
| annegentle | david-lyle I might be overthinking :) | 21:43 |
| david-lyle | generally it is not | 21:43 |
| annegentle | great | 21:43 |
| annegentle | yeah this seems like a nice next evolution of "OSC everywhere" | 21:43 |
| david-lyle | we try to make all text containers vary their size based on content | 21:43 |
| annegentle | asettle yeah I really do think so. To me the hard part would be building horizon locally but we have devstack. | 21:43 |
| annegentle | asettle heh we have our PTG hack project :) | 21:44 |
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| annegentle | "Figure out horizon help strings" | 21:44 |
| asettle | annegentle: I would really like to go through that with you at the PTG? It's good to learn new things (like last time? Yay deployment guides) | 21:44 |
| annegentle | asettle yes!! | 21:44 |
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| annegentle | me too | 21:45 |
| asettle | Let's hack it out :) should be good! | 21:45 |
| david-lyle | I'll be at the PTG, please ping me however I can help | 21:45 |
| annegentle | david-lyle awesome, consider yourself roped in :) | 21:45 |
| asettle | david-lyle: we may seek you out to bash horizon into our submission :P | 21:45 |
| asettle | Anne's version seems nicer | 21:46 |
| annegentle | asettle hee | 21:46 |
| david-lyle | it never worked for me, but with your help we may make more progreess | 21:46 |
| annegentle | david-lyle heh | 21:46 |
| asettle | \o/ we will do our best | 21:46 |
| asettle | She says | 21:46 |
| asettle | Now | 21:46 |
| asettle | Without much conviction | 21:46 |
| loquacities | is that it, guys? | 21:47 |
| loquacities | thanks for a good meeting | 21:47 |
| asettle | hahahah | 21:47 |
| asettle | Yes sorry | 21:47 |
| loquacities | and have a great holiday, those who are getting one :) | 21:47 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 21:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 15 21:47:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-12-15-21.00.html | 21:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-12-15-21.00.txt | 21:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-12-15-21.00.log.html | 21:47 |
| asettle | AND SHE ENDS IT SWIFTLY | 21:47 |
| annegentle | :) thanks all and have a great holiday | 21:48 |
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| JRobinson__ | For sure, have a good holiday everyone. Thanks for a good meeting. On track with a lot of goals :) | 21:48 |
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| bsilverman_ | o/// | 21:49 |
| bsilverman_ | Have a happy holiday season everyone. | 21:49 |
| asettle | o/ happy holidays! | 21:50 |
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| iphutch | o/ happy holidays!! | 21:51 |
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