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| szaher | #startmeeting freezer | 14:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 5 14:02:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is szaher. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:02 |
| szaher | Hello everyone | 14:02 |
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| slashme | Hi everyone. Hi szaher | 14:02 |
| szaher | Happy new year | 14:02 |
| slashme | Happy new year :-) | 14:02 |
| szaher | :) :D | 14:02 |
| szaher | hi slashme | 14:02 |
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| yangyapeng | hello | 14:05 |
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| gstepanov | Folks, is it freezer meeting right now? | 14:07 |
| slashme | gstepanov: yes it is | 14:09 |
| szaher | Yes | 14:09 |
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| yangyapeng | szaher: slashme hell | 14:10 |
| yangyapeng | hello | 14:10 |
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| szaher | yangyapeng gstepanov Happy new year guys | 14:11 |
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| gstepanov | #topic | 14:12 |
| gstepanov | sorry | 14:12 |
| szaher | We dom | 14:12 |
| szaher | we don't have topics for today's meeting so If you have any please update this page and let's discuss it https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:12 |
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| gstepanov | I've added one | 14:17 |
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| slashme | #topic Backup nova/cinder per tenant | 14:20 |
| slashme | Here is the patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407052/ | 14:21 |
| slashme | Anything specific to discuss about this patch ? | 14:22 |
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| szaher | #topic Backup nova/cinder per tenant | 14:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Backup nova/cinder per tenant (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:30 | |
| gstepanov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406136/ patch from freezer web ui that allows to backup nova instances at all | 14:30 |
| szaher | there is some few comments in this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407052/ | 14:30 |
| szaher | gstepanov: could you please take a look and let us know ? | 14:31 |
| gstepanov | yeah, one minute | 14:31 |
| szaher | Thanks | 14:31 |
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| gstepanov | I've responded already. | 14:34 |
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| gstepanov | Also I've added third patch in agenda about timeout mechanism. | 14:35 |
| szaher | OK Let me check it | 14:35 |
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| szaher | #topic Pike PTL | 14:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pike PTL (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:38 | |
| slashme | The PTL election for the Pike cycle will happen on Jan 30-03 (Self nominations Jan 23-27). | 14:39 |
| slashme | I don't plan on presenting myself again. | 14:39 |
| slashme | So if you want to be PTL, here is your chance. I already know that szaher wants to nominate himself, I think he would be a great candidate because he has an in depth knowledge of the project. | 14:39 |
| yangyapeng | szaher: good | 14:40 |
| szaher | Thanks slashme :) That would be a great honor for me :) | 14:41 |
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| szaher | Guys anyone wants to add anything ? | 14:50 |
| szaher | we have 10 minutes left | 14:50 |
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| szaher | Ok, Best of luck for everyone in 2017, Let's go back to freezer's room | 14:51 |
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| szaher | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:51 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 5 14:51:36 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-01-05-14.02.html | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-01-05-14.02.txt | 14:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-01-05-14.02.log.html | 14:51 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 5 15:00:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
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| tommylikehu_ | happy new year | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
| markstur_ | hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | yes happy new year! | 15:00 |
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| bswartz | at least happy solar new year | 15:00 |
| bswartz | I know lunar new year is coming some time soon | 15:00 |
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| dustins | \o | 15:01 |
| tommylikehu_ | bswartz: yes! | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | ganso cknight xyang toabctl gouthamr: courtesy ping | 15:01 |
| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
| bswartz | we might not have a quorum today... | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | people still on extended vacations maybe | 15:02 |
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| ganso | hello | 15:03 |
| tommylikehu_ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:03 |
| tommylikehu_ | we have topics there | 15:04 |
| bswartz | well we have 5/9 on the core team -- let's call that a quorum | 15:04 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:05 | |
| bswartz | next week is feature proposal freeze | 15:05 |
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| bswartz | that means all features need to be proposed in gerrit, substantially complete, and passing tests | 15:06 |
| tommylikehu_ | including the high priority ones? | 15:06 |
| bswartz | yes everything | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | after that we only accept bugfixes, doc changes, and trivial changes | 15:07 |
| bswartz | given how short this release is it won't surprise me if a lot of things don't make it | 15:07 |
| bswartz | I haven't been able to dedicate enough time to the things with my name on them | 15:08 |
| tommylikehu_ | if the one of the feature patches can not meet the requrement, does that means all the patches should not be merged? | 15:08 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu_: no we'll consider things on a patch-by-patch basis | 15:08 |
| bswartz | however if there are dependency chains we have to merge them in order | 15:08 |
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| tommylikehu_ | bswartz: thanks | 15:08 |
| bswartz | and we won't do things like merge a feature that has no test coverage | 15:09 |
| ganso | what if it is only the client or ui that needs further work? | 15:09 |
| bswartz | ganso: I have worse news there | 15:09 |
| bswartz | actually I don't | 15:09 |
| tommylikehu_ | bswartz: I think no core member would press the +2 button with that | 15:09 |
| ganso | bswartz: o_O | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | the client and UI are both exempt from the non-client-library freeze which is also next week | 15:10 |
| bswartz | err | 15:10 |
| ganso | bswartz: does this mean that there is not deadline for client and UI? | 15:10 |
| * bswartz shakes head | 15:10 | |
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| bswartz | I need to stop spreading misinformation | 15:11 |
| bswartz | the non client library freeze is in 2 weeks | 15:11 |
| bswartz | and our client and ui are except from that freeze, meaning they have the same deadlines as manila itself | 15:11 |
| tommylikehu_ | ok | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | ganso: does that answer your question? | 15:11 |
| ganso | bswartz: I am a bit confused | 15:12 |
| bswartz | s/except/exempt/ | 15:12 |
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| ganso | bswartz: does this mean that client/UI patches that add features could popup after non-client feature freeze? | 15:12 |
| bswartz | no, it means we have until next week to propose them, and 3 weeks until they must merge | 15:13 |
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| ganso | bswartz: so, deadlines are the same | 15:13 |
| bswartz | yes that's what I was trying to say | 15:13 |
| bswartz | the non-client-library freeze is a red herring | 15:13 |
| bswartz | however people should be aware that it exists, in case you work on anything outside manila | 15:14 |
| bswartz | alright let's move on to the agenda then | 15:15 |
| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | #topic Specs implementation status | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ocata-code-review-focus | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | so the access rules patch is not ready it seems | 15:16 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr has been on vacation and should return today/tomorrow | 15:16 |
| tommylikehu_ | great | 15:17 |
| bswartz | ipv6 has a lot of patches | 15:17 |
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| bswartz | tommylikehu_: anything you want to share about this? | 15:17 |
| tommylikehu_ | about what? | 15:18 |
| bswartz | about this feature | 15:18 |
| tommylikehu_ | maybe I need more review from all of you :) | 15:18 |
| tommylikehu_ | especially for the generic driver part | 15:18 |
| bswartz | can you briefly tell us how much it's complete and what's left to be done? | 15:18 |
| tommylikehu_ | except for the generic driver patch and documentation | 15:19 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu_: just the 4 patches listed on that etherpad? | 15:19 |
| tommylikehu_ | others are ready | 15:19 |
| bswartz | k | 15:19 |
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| tommylikehu_ | there are five | 15:19 |
| tommylikehu_ | I will add the last one later | 15:19 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu_: thx -- we will continue to use this etherpad until feature freeze | 15:20 |
| tommylikehu_ | ok | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | regarding the race conditions work, we still need to get tooz support merged before that can move forward | 15:20 |
| bswartz | I'm one of the reviewers for that | 15:20 |
| bswartz | we need another | 15:20 |
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| * bswartz hopes his py3 issues are sorted out | 15:21 | |
| tommylikehu_ | if you add me there, I'd like to give +1 two times | 15:21 |
| bswartz | lol | 15:21 |
| tbarron | rofl | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | seriously though, +1s are still very valuable if you review the code and actually tests it and see that it works | 15:22 |
| bswartz | regarding scenario tests, it looks like the patch merged, and I'm not sure if there are any more patches coming from vponomaryov | 15:22 |
| bswartz | create-share-from-snapshot extra spec is done I believe | 15:23 |
| tbarron | can we extend the deadline on race conditions on the grounds that it is fixing real bugs more than adding features? | 15:23 |
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| tbarron | feature: we don't break so bad | 15:23 |
| bswartz | the revert to snapshot work should be rebased and ready for review now (I think) | 15:24 |
| tommylikehu_ | yes | 15:24 |
| tbarron | bswartz: yeah, I'm actively reviewing that one | 15:24 |
| bswartz | tbarron: fixing race condition bugs can happen at any time | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: however the spec calls for adding new features to make it easier to fix bugs and I wouldn't feel safe adding new features after feature freeze | 15:24 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: that spec calls for drivers to return per-rule success and failure; right now we don't have a way to do that if the driver raises an exception, right? | 15:25 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: I think you're talking about access rules not race conditions | 15:26 |
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| tbarron | looks like the implementation is currently just setting all rules to fail | 15:26 |
| tbarron | yes, sorry, race conditions in access rules | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | It's unlikely that we can get drivers to make changes before release | 15:27 |
| bswartz | if we need to improve the driver interface, we can do it before feature freeze, but it must be backward compatible to avoid breaking existing drivers | 15:27 |
| bswartz | tbarron that topic probably needs more discussion | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | Ideally gouthamr would be heref or that | 15:28 |
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| bswartz | let's continue with this topic | 15:29 |
| bswartz | mountable snasphots has a bunch of patches I see | 15:29 |
| bswartz | tpsilva, ganso: how is this effort? | 15:30 |
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| ganso | implementation is complete, it just needs more testing | 15:30 |
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| ganso | sorry, more tempest tests | 15:30 |
| ganso | ideally, mountable snapshots should handle migrating snapshots | 15:30 |
| ganso | but this is being added in latest migration patches | 15:31 |
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| ganso | so at some point one will need to be rebased on the other, if it is being handled at all | 15:31 |
| bswartz | ganso: migrating snapshots can only be done with driver assistance | 15:31 |
| ganso | if it is *to be handled at all | 15:31 |
| ganso | bswartz: yes | 15:31 |
| bswartz | I don't see how it's related to mountable snapshots | 15:31 |
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| ganso | if a driver that supports mountable snapshots wants to do a driver-assisted migration | 15:32 |
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| ganso | the share/API and manager need some code to adjust to that | 15:32 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:32 |
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| bswartz | okay how about migration improvements | 15:33 |
| bswartz | 5 more patches here | 15:33 |
| bswartz | is it all done? | 15:33 |
| ganso | main patch is all done | 15:33 |
| ganso | python-manilaclient needs more functional tests | 15:33 |
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| ganso | manila-ui needs to grey out the options depending on combination, I need to figure out how to do that | 15:34 |
| ganso | that's all | 15:34 |
| bswartz | okay cool | 15:34 |
| bswartz | the stochastic weighing scheduler work is a relatively simple port from cinder but given limited time I'm not going to prioritize it | 15:34 |
| tommylikehu_ | ok | 15:35 |
| bswartz | db-manage-purge looks ready for review | 15:35 |
| tommylikehu_ | yes, | 15:35 |
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| tommylikehu_ | need more review from you guys | 15:35 |
| bswartz | the share type filter on get pools appears merged | 15:35 |
| tommylikehu_ | right | 15:35 |
| bswartz | and the quota usage changes has a merge conflict | 15:36 |
| tommylikehu_ | I am waiting for the manila's patch to be merged | 15:36 |
| bswartz | so overall we have a lot of work done but a lot of reviews to be done | 15:36 |
| bswartz | And most of you remember what happens with merge conflicts in the last 2 weeks of any release I'm sure | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | so we should be trying to get some of these merged asap | 15:37 |
| ganso | rebase hell | 15:37 |
| bswartz | ganso: +1 | 15:37 |
| tommylikehu_ | +1 | 15:37 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:37 |
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| tommylikehu_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366614/ | 15:38 |
| bswartz | okay the design summit leftover topics keep getting pushed back, and now that we're close to feature freeze I think I'll take them off the agenda to save them for PTG, or slightly before PTG | 15:38 |
| bswartz | it's not the right time to be bringing up new requirements | 15:38 |
| bswartz | so let's jump directly to open discussion | 15:38 |
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| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | I have one topic that came up yesterday | 15:39 |
| bswartz | #link https://review.openstack.org/416818 | 15:39 |
| tommylikehu_ | do we have a etherpad for ptg topic? | 15:39 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu_: no not yet | 15:39 |
| bswartz | we will get the PTG agenda ready soon, as that's coming up fast | 15:40 |
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| bswartz | but I didn't create an etherpad yet | 15:40 |
| tommylikehu_ | bswartz: ptg is the best place for your new coming spec | 15:40 |
| bswartz | which spec | 15:40 |
| tommylikehu_ | https://review.openstack.org/416818 | 15:40 |
| bswartz | that's not a spec | 15:41 |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-pike-ptg-topics | 15:41 |
| tommylikehu_ | sorry.. | 15:41 |
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| bswartz | back to my topic | 15:41 |
| bswartz | akerr discovered that most of our tempest jobs are running very few tests | 15:42 |
| bswartz | we have 3 categories of tempest tests: api, api_with_backend, and backend | 15:42 |
| bswartz | also scenario | 15:42 |
| bswartz | anyways, most of the jobs are running running backend only, and not api_with_backend tests | 15:43 |
| bswartz | which I think is wrong, but I wanted to bring it up here | 15:43 |
| bswartz | my patch changes things so that those jobs run the api_with_backend tests too | 15:43 |
| tbarron | how many tests have we been skipping? | 15:43 |
| bswartz | tbarron 85% of them | 15:43 |
| tbarron | wow | 15:43 |
| bswartz | only for certain drivers though | 15:44 |
| bswartz | all of the tests run in the dummy driver job | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | but LVM was only running like 50 tests out out the 665 tests we have | 15:44 |
| bswartz | after my change it runs more like 300 | 15:45 |
| tbarron | so we should anticipate some fallout work fixing bugs once your change merges ... | 15:45 |
| ganso | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/manila/devref/tempest_tests.html#running-a-subset-of-tests-based-on-service-involvement | 15:45 |
| bswartz | well it's not urgent that my changes merges, and I don't want to make things worse | 15:45 |
| tommylikehu_ | tbarron: you are right | 15:45 |
| bswartz | ganso: thanks for that link I didn't find that yesterday | 15:46 |
| bswartz | however I suspect the problem is that we're categorizing tests wrong | 15:46 |
| ganso | bswartz: I think it is good to enable api_with_backend on jobs that run fast | 15:46 |
| ganso | bswartz: but I disagree on enabling it for generic driver | 15:46 |
| ganso | bswartz: can you exemplify a test that is categorized incorrectly? | 15:47 |
| tommylikehu_ | +1 | 15:47 |
| bswartz | it's not a question of how fast the tests run, it's a question of whether they increase coverage or not | 15:47 |
| tbarron | ganso: ?? | 15:47 |
| bswartz | we put the tags on the tests because a significant number of tests never touch the backend and therefore there's no value to running them over and over with each different backend | 15:48 |
| ganso | bswartz: right | 15:48 |
| bswartz | I think a number of tests are tagged api_with_backend that should be tagged backend | 15:48 |
| bswartz | I can try to dig up some examples | 15:49 |
| ganso | bswartz: in that case your patch is proposing an improper fix | 15:49 |
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| bswartz | ganso: yes I agree | 15:49 |
| bswartz | I didn't know about that devref you linked, and vponomaryov isn't around to clarify this | 15:49 |
| tbarron | dumb question: what exactly do the tags mean? | 15:50 |
| tommylikehu_ | +1 | 15:51 |
| tbarron | 'api' means api w/o backend involvement? | 15:51 |
| bswartz | tbarron: the devref explains that | 15:51 |
| tbarron | k | 15:51 |
| bswartz | the devref could probably be clearer | 15:51 |
| bswartz | but reading it tells me what vponomaryov was thinking when we added these tags | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | I'm going to -1 my own patch so we don't accidentally merge it | 15:52 |
| dustins | Yeesh, those regexes are ugly | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | dustins: tell me something I don't know | 15:53 |
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| bswartz | okay thanks for helping me clarify this | 15:53 |
| * dustins ponders if those could be "hidden" as tox directives | 15:53 | |
| bswartz | dustins: from what I've read about ostestr (which is a lot, since yesterday) we're doing these regexes exactly right | 15:54 |
| bswartz | regexes are inherently ugly | 15:54 |
| tommylikehu_ | lol | 15:54 |
| bswartz | ideally ostestr would implement a better way to filter tests | 15:54 |
| dustins | bswartz: Agreed! | 15:55 |
| bswartz | okay since someone mentioned the ptg earlier, I'll remind you all that it's in 6 weeks | 15:55 |
| bswartz | has anyone found out that they can/can't attend for sure? | 15:56 |
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| dustins | I'll definitely be there | 15:56 |
| tommylikehu_ | hope I can make it | 15:56 |
| markstur_ | still waiting for approval | 15:57 |
| bswartz | also I'll start adding topics to the etherpad I just created, and I'll put PTG on the agenda for next week | 15:57 |
| xyang1 | I'll be there | 15:57 |
| tbarron | I don't understand the devref, i.e. I can't tell which tests should be running for various backends by reading it. I already knew what it tells me when I asked my dumb question. | 15:57 |
| ganso | still waiting travel support response | 15:57 |
| bswartz | tbarron: doh | 15:57 |
| bswartz | tbarron: I'll explain it in the channel | 15:58 |
| tbarron | k | 15:58 |
| ganso | btw, is it true that it will be only 2 days for manila? | 15:58 |
| bswartz | ganso: yes I've only asked for meeting rooms on wednesday and thursday | 15:58 |
| bswartz | monday/tuesday will be all cross-project content and those days were not open to us in any case | 15:58 |
| ganso | bswartz: this is not really what I expected of a PTG :\ | 15:59 |
| bswartz | friday we could have used but traditionally 2 full days has been enough for us | 15:59 |
| bswartz | ganso: me neither | 15:59 |
| tommylikehu_ | preparing two days gathering | 15:59 |
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| bswartz | I'm really surprised by what they're doing with PTG but I'm trying to be open minded about it | 16:00 |
| bswartz | I'll save my anger for afterwards, if it turns out badly | 16:00 |
| bswartz | okay we're out of time | 16:00 |
| bswartz | thanks all | 16:00 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| tbarron | bye | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 5 16:00:52 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| tommylikehu_ | bye | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-01-05-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-01-05-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-01-05-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Security | 16:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 5 16:59:45 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Security)" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 16:59 |
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| browne | o/ | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:00 |
| unrahul | o/ | 17:00 |
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| tmcpeak | ... | 17:02 |
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| singlethink | o/ | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | Quiet start to the year :) | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:03 |
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| tkelsey | o/ | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | Our last meeting was quite some time back: #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2016/security.2016-12-15-17.01.html | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | sorry im late | 17:04 |
| capnoday | o/ | 17:04 |
| sigmavirus | o/ | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | welcome tkelsey capnoday | 17:04 |
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| sigmavirus | tkelsey: how dare you be late before I'm late?! :P | 17:04 |
| tkelsey | hi hyakuhei | 17:04 |
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| tkelsey | lol :) | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | ok, lets roll on then :) | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | oh hi sigmavirus :P | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Syntribos | 17:05 |
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| sigmavirus | damnit. Thought I'd snuck in | 17:06 |
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| unrahul | Hi All, another year ahead :) | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent | 17:06 |
| xin9972 | :P | 17:06 |
| unrahul | we are still working on modifying the templates | 17:06 |
| unrahul | on adding ability to add meta variables to req templates | 17:06 |
| unrahul | this is the patch for it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411415/ | 17:06 |
| unrahul | In the mean time a few of us are testing swift.. | 17:07 |
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| unrahul | with things like if we can find any leakage of info , or privilege escalation or something like that | 17:07 |
| capnoday | good work unrahul | 17:07 |
| tkelsey | +1 | 17:07 |
| unrahul | we got a few 500 errors, still keeping the hopes high.. | 17:08 |
| unrahul | if we get something interesting will let you guys know.. | 17:08 |
| unrahul | thanks capnoday tkelsey :) | 17:08 |
| unrahul | thats it from us for this week.. | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | Cool, thanks unrahul | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | Hmmm, I don't see our OSSN ninja here today. | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OSSN (Meeting topic: Security)" | 17:10 | |
| hyakuhei | lhinds you around ? | 17:10 |
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| hyakuhei | It looks like there's only two OSSN in the queue and they are both under embargo | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | So capnoday tmcpeak hyakuhei lhinds and whoever else is a core-sec, get on it :) | 17:10 |
| * capnoday looks | 17:11 | |
| hyakuhei | lhinds published a couple of OSSN over the holidays so I think we're all caught up | 17:11 |
| tmcpeak | ahh, embargoed notes <3 | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | For those who are interested, the list is here #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 17:11 |
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| sigmavirus | hyakuhei: "#link" has to be on its own line I think? | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | grumble. | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ossn | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | heh | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | ok, I probably didn't need to use the #link anyway. | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | That'll teach me for being fancy. | 17:12 |
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| hyakuhei | The next item is the blog | 17:13 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic Blog | 17:13 |
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| hyakuhei | Lets levelset. Does everyone know we have a blog that cross posts with planet openstack? | 17:13 |
| tmcpeak | actualy I didn't know it cross-posted | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | well. We do | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent. | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | yup | 17:13 |
| capnoday | sweet | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | The actual blog is here | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://openstack-security.github.io/ | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Writing posts is easy, just markdown | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | Very easy | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | and I've not written my post for 2-3 months | 17:14 |
| capnoday | are we waiting on any blog posts? | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | I'd like to take a second to gather some suggestions for articles | 17:15 |
| tmcpeak | well not directly related but what's the plans for PTG? | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | I assume we want to do some cross-team work? | 17:16 |
| tmcpeak | if we're going? | 17:16 |
| capnoday | im waiting on funding confirmation | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | Security are going, but I don't know how many people from the group are going. | 17:16 |
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| hyakuhei | Lets add PTG to the agenda | 17:16 |
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| browne | i'll be at the PTG | 17:17 |
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| capnoday | great | 17:17 |
| tmcpeak | is the idea with PTG that you spend (bulk) of time with whatever team you're closest to? | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | Yes but that you also collaborate with others | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | #topic PTG | 17:18 |
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| hyakuhei | ^ As travis can't wait | 17:18 |
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| tmcpeak | well it was leading to a blog post idea | 17:18 |
| tmcpeak | albeit very slowly | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 17:18 |
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| hyakuhei | You'll notice that we are a Monday/Tuesday group | 17:18 |
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| hyakuhei | We are specifically in the first section so that we have more time to spend with the more security critical projects over the final three days. | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | right | 17:19 |
| hyakuhei | The registration is still open: https://pikeptg.eventbrite.com/ | 17:19 |
| tmcpeak | the blog post I was thinking (although could just as easily be a OS-dev post) was about asking if any teams have noticed security concerns they want security advice for | 17:20 |
| tmcpeak | probably more effective as dev-ML | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | Probably | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | Though you could do both I guess and reference it | 17:20 |
| hyakuhei | Certainly we'd want a couple of post PTG writeups | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | It's going to be very interesting to see how the PTG goes | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: do we have any numbers about viewers of our blog? | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | Nope | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | sorry, now I'm back on blog | 17:21 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:21 |
| tmcpeak | I'm operating under the assumption that I won't be at PTG | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | I haven't had as much OpenStack time dedicated lately :( | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | Indeed | 17:22 |
| tmcpeak | who here knows they're going to the security session at PTG? | 17:22 |
| hyakuhei | I'll be there :) | 17:22 |
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| tmcpeak | what about rackers? | 17:23 |
| unrahul | None from the OSIC team would be there.. , we were hoping to attend the next mid cycle meet (assuming it would be there) | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | unrahul: midcycle == PTG? | 17:23 |
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| hyakuhei | unrahul we'll see how the PTG goes. Their intent is to replace the mid-cycles. | 17:23 |
| unrahul | :o | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak They're not quite the same | 17:23 |
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| hyakuhei | We might end up having a mid-cycle around the time of the summit | 17:23 |
| tmcpeak | but midcycles are dead, are they not? | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | As the summit will know be more marchetecty | 17:23 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak no-one knows | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | emm | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | It really depends if/how the PTG works | 17:24 |
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| browne | yeah, PTG is a replacement for midcycle | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | midcycles aren't an official openstack function | 17:24 |
| capnoday | there is also the question of wether any technical folks will bother to go to the summit | 17:24 |
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| hyakuhei | so they can't be replaced or ended by the OS head honchos | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | However, the intention is that the PTG will remove the _need_ for a midcycle for most projects | 17:24 |
| tmcpeak | well here's the thing | 17:24 |
| hyakuhei | So as I said, it depends how the PTG goes | 17:24 |
| unrahul | we haven't planned /budgeted for PTG so this time around we cant come.. | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | for our midcycles we usually pick a place that's conveniently located for a bulk of our members | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | so we get more participants by default | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | usually SA, Austin, or Seattle | 17:25 |
| unrahul | who all will be in PTG .. hyakuhei and .. ? | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | but Atlanta… everybody has to travel | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | I agree | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | conveniently located for.. nobody | 17:25 |
| unrahul | :) | 17:25 |
| hyakuhei | and have said as much to various TC peoples | 17:25 |
| tmcpeak | it's not going to be much of a PTG session if only Rob goes | 17:26 |
| tmcpeak | even though Rob is awesome and all | 17:26 |
| hyakuhei | However, this is the direction they're going in and for the moment, I'm going to see if we can embrace it and get value from it. A few of us (like me) will have to go anyway. However if the PTG doesn't allow us to do what we need to (and I think the mid-cycles have generally been great events) then we can still have midcycles | 17:26 |
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| hyakuhei | but for now, we need to be good citizens and give this a fair try | 17:26 |
| capnoday | i think thats reasonable | 17:27 |
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| capnoday | the opportunity to work with other teams is very valuable | 17:27 |
| capnoday | i never have time for that at summits | 17:27 |
| hyakuhei | For my part, my attendance is mostly going to be about the final three days, sitting in on the discussions with other teams and being the voice of security | 17:27 |
| tmcpeak | seems reasonable | 17:27 |
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| hyakuhei | That's not an easy thing to pitch to a travel-budget holder though, I get that. | 17:27 |
| unrahul | hmm.. that makes sense.. | 17:27 |
| capnoday | lol | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | I suspect after the PTG I'll talk to dave-mccowan and | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | as we often co-host midcycles, I'll get his take | 17:28 |
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| hyakuhei | If we are both PTLs then | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | Which brings me onto the next topic | 17:28 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Elections | 17:28 |
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| hyakuhei | THE ELECTIONS ARE COMING | 17:28 |
| capnoday | I nominate tmcpeak | 17:29 |
| capnoday | wait, do i have to do that by email? | 17:29 |
| sigmavirus | capnoday: via gerrit actually | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | January 30-Feb 03 | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | ELECTIONS | 17:29 |
| sigmavirus | and only once the nominations open | 17:29 |
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| hyakuhei | Right, you've all been told | 17:29 |
| capnoday | sigmavirus got a link/howto? | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | sigmavirus I suspect capnoday was being facetious | 17:29 |
| sigmavirus | hyakuhei: I recommend daily reminders until someone pukes ;) | 17:29 |
| capnoday | i actually wasnt :D | 17:29 |
| hyakuhei | sigmavirus heh | 17:29 |
| sigmavirus | capnoday: it should be on docs.openstack.org | 17:30 |
| sigmavirus | I don't have a link though | 17:30 |
| sigmavirus | Could be https://governance.openstack.org/election/ | 17:30 |
| sigmavirus | (First result on google at least) | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:30 |
| sigmavirus | #link https://governance.openstack.org/election/#how-to-submit-your-candidacy | 17:30 |
| hyakuhei | Someone should teach capnoday how to google | 17:31 |
| sigmavirus | ^If you want to run | 17:31 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks sigmavirus | 17:31 |
| unrahul | so the PTL nomination is PTL nominationJan 18, 2017 23:59 UTCJan 29, 2017 23:45 UTC | 17:31 |
| unrahul | as per the link.. | 17:31 |
| unrahul | and elections from Jan 30 | 17:31 |
| capnoday | thanks sigmavirus hyakuhei | 17:31 |
| sigmavirus | #info PTL Nominations are open from 18 Jan 2017 23:59 UTC until 29 Jan 2017 23:45 UTC | 17:31 |
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| hyakuhei | Ah see, I got the wrong dates. | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | This stuff is hard :P | 17:32 |
| sigmavirus | I should probably land a commit in a security project so I can vote | 17:32 |
| sigmavirus | but yolo | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | Timetable here | 17:32 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html#pike-ptls-self-nomination | 17:32 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei you running again? | 17:32 |
| sigmavirus | hyakuhei: you should state your intention on the ML too, for greatest reach | 17:33 |
| sigmavirus | We already had the Keystone PTL state they're not running again | 17:33 |
| hyakuhei | I'm in talks with my management about it :) | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | :D | 17:34 |
| sigmavirus | When you know, let us know ;) | 17:34 |
| hyakuhei | I would like it if we had people who want to try, or to take things in a different direction also stand | 17:34 |
| tmcpeak | is anybody else intending to run? | 17:34 |
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| sigmavirus | The collective eagerness is deafening | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:35 |
| unrahul | lol | 17:35 |
| hyakuhei | They're all sneaky, paranoid security types | 17:35 |
| sigmavirus | Playing the cards close to their vests, etc., etc.? | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | if hyakuhei doesn't get management blessing what happens if we end up with no PTL? | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | Management makes tmcpeak do it. | 17:36 |
| sigmavirus | tmcpeak: I could run, but again, I'd need to land code | 17:36 |
| hyakuhei | :D | 17:36 |
| capnoday | :D | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | haha | 17:36 |
| tmcpeak | sigmavirus: surely you've landed something in Bandit? | 17:36 |
| sigmavirus | tmcpeak: I don't think so | 17:37 |
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| tmcpeak | sigmavirus: run our docs through a grammar checker, there's surely some gold in there | 17:37 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:37 |
| sicarie | thanks tmcpeak - nice to know my efforts are valued ;) | 17:37 |
| sigmavirus | I guess I co-authored a thing: http://stackalytics.com/?module=bandit&metric=commits&user_id=sigmavirus24 | 17:38 |
| tmcpeak | I meant Bandit docs actually, but yeah, even better! | 17:38 |
| sicarie | hahaha | 17:38 |
| unrahul | hehe.. | 17:38 |
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| sigmavirus | Dunno if it's been merged though | 17:38 |
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| sigmavirus | I just don't have a reason to run for PTL, other than for us to have a PTL | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | fair enough | 17:39 |
| michaelxin | That's a good reason | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | actually, let's play a little game | 17:39 |
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| sigmavirus | michaelxin: not to my management | 17:39 |
| tmcpeak | realistically, on average, how many hours a week do you all have for OS-security? | 17:39 |
| hyakuhei | Well that's relative. | 17:40 |
| michaelxin | I am supposed to have 4 hours each week. | 17:40 |
| sigmavirus | tmcpeak: assuming that these are hours are provided by management? 0 | 17:40 |
| hyakuhei | ouch | 17:40 |
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| michaelxin | The OSIC security team is full time | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | mine is probably 2 | 17:41 |
| sicarie | around 2-4, but that's assuming nothing's on fire | 17:41 |
| tmcpeak | michaelxin: supposed to… but in actuality? | 17:41 |
| capnoday | probably 2-4, although i havent had clear steer from my management | 17:41 |
| michaelxin | tmcpeak: 1-2 hours. | 17:42 |
| michaelxin | in reality | 17:42 |
| singlethink | ~.75 | 17:42 |
| tmcpeak | so what I'm hearing is there are a few people with at most half a day per week to spend on OpenStack security except for OSIC | 17:43 |
| hyakuhei | Not overly dissimilar myself. Though there's the occasional week where I loose days to it. | 17:43 |
| sigmavirus | tmcpeak: worth noting that OSIC will disappear potentially given that they're going to focus on Nova, Glance, Cinder, Keystone, and 3 other projects in the future | 17:44 |
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| sigmavirus | heat, horizon, and ironic iirc | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | the reason I'm asking about all this is I want us to take this into account when we consider maintaining our existing projects and starting new ones | 17:44 |
| sigmavirus | dunno when that ramp down is happening though | 17:44 |
| michaelxin | good info | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | for example, it does not sound like we have the time to do security review across OpenStack right now | 17:44 |
| tmcpeak | but we could, for example, keep notes going | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | Maybe. | 17:45 |
| sigmavirus | tmcpeak: agreed | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | Review is interesting | 17:45 |
| unrahul | OSIC with no security .. :o | 17:45 |
| hyakuhei | I can put more people on reviews because they need review experience and to develop review processes | 17:45 |
| unrahul | scary info | 17:45 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: yes, but there are internal properties that need reviewing too :) | 17:45 |
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| capnoday | tmcpeak sure, but there is a lot of crossover, at least with materials, process, etc | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | sorry, not trying to be debbie downer, just want us to think about what footprint we want to maintain | 17:47 |
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| sigmavirus | tmcpeak: being realistic isn't being a downer | 17:47 |
| michaelxin | +1 | 17:47 |
| sigmavirus | it's being practical | 17:47 |
| tmcpeak | personally I will probably spend majority of "openstack" dedication to keeping Bandit maintained | 17:48 |
| sigmavirus | yeah, my current openstack dedication is working on craton | 17:48 |
| tkelsey | Penelope Practical ? | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | lol | 17:48 |
| tkelsey | :P | 17:48 |
| tmcpeak | debbie's more fun sister | 17:48 |
| hyakuhei | lol | 17:48 |
| sigmavirus | moving alon | 17:49 |
| sigmavirus | *along | 17:49 |
| michaelxin | haha | 17:49 |
| sigmavirus | with 10 min left | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | well one last thing | 17:49 |
| tmcpeak | given that we have on average 3 hours a week, do we want to use one of them meeting, or should we cut meeting time in half, move to twice monthly and keep the allocated time to work on OSSP stuff? | 17:49 |
| hyakuhei | It's rare that we finish a meeting in 30 minutes | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | Though they could be more structured | 17:50 |
| sigmavirus | hyakuhei: I contend that we could | 17:50 |
| hyakuhei | I'm open to trying shorter meetings | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | I have a fond place in my heart for the meetings but given that we have less in flight we probably don't need as much meeting | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | if we kept the hour block on the calendar we could steal 30 minutes to work on actual stuff for OSSP | 17:50 |
| tmcpeak | :) | 17:50 |
| sigmavirus | Having a strict agenda and sticking to it and timeboxing topics is good for this | 17:50 |
| sigmavirus | Also having discussions on the ML first is always helpful | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | Every other week tends to get messy | 17:51 |
| michaelxin | shorter meeting is good | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | That's also true | 17:51 |
| sigmavirus | agreed with hyakuhei about every other week | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: agreed two weeks is messy | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | ok, so we'll look to have shorter, 30 minute meetings, (still start at 1700UTC) | 17:51 |
| hyakuhei | and we agree that we'll have to be more disciplined about agenda in order to make that work. | 17:51 |
| michaelxin | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:51 |
| tmcpeak | cool, hyakuhei want to write a dev-ML bit about it? if not I can | 17:51 |
| capnoday | try that next week? | 17:52 |
| capnoday | like the openstack equivilant of speed-dating? | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | hah | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | Yes | 17:52 |
| tmcpeak | cool | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | We kinda jumped around the agenda a bit as it's our first meeting, I wanted to mention the signing keys just because it's the sort of thing this group would be interested in: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-December/109111.html | 17:52 |
| hyakuhei | I'll write something up tmcpeak | 17:53 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Any other business | 17:53 |
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| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: +1 | 17:53 |
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| sicarie | getting back into secguide touchups, core review here please: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416138/ | 17:53 |
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| dave-mccowan | i joined late, but i thought i'd throw in re: PTG and Barbican | 17:54 |
| dave-mccowan | we're planning on using PTG instead of a midcycle, but attendance RSVPs are very low. | 17:55 |
| tmcpeak | dave-mccowan: how low? | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | dave-mccowan ours too | 17:55 |
| dave-mccowan | so far 2 confirmed, and 2 maybes. | 17:55 |
| tmcpeak | eek | 17:55 |
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| tmcpeak | I think that's 1 more confirmed than us :P | 17:55 |
| hyakuhei | lol yeah | 17:56 |
| dave-mccowan | i don't think we'll be able to fill all the time we've reserved the last 3 days with barbican topics. i'd be happy to share, if the security project needs a room for the second half of the week. | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | dave-mccowan currently I've got a room to myself for the first two days :P | 17:56 |
| capnoday | think how much work you will get done! | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | Thanks for the offer though. I wonder how other teams are doing. | 17:56 |
| hyakuhei | capnoday I am | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | dave-mccowan: I think we'd be lucky to fill ours too | 17:57 |
| hyakuhei | ok last couple of minutes | 17:57 |
| capnoday | that has to be a point on both mid-cycle/ptg and the time we spend on it, we get a LOT done when we all sit in the room for a week | 17:57 |
| tmcpeak | yeah most of our forward momentum is at midcycles | 17:57 |
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| tmcpeak | if we average 2 hours per week normally, but then we get 24 hours done twice a year, that's pretty big | 17:58 |
| hyakuhei | tmcpeak +1 | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | so hyakuhei should I save my travel budget for a midcycle? | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | :) | 17:58 |
| tmcpeak | OSSN bug smash, sec guide sprint, Bandit sprint, etc? | 17:58 |
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| capnoday | +1 | 17:58 |
| capnoday | except why dont you come to the PTG and do it there... | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | Seems that way. I haven't seen much about this on the ML, I'll ping it | 17:59 |
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| hyakuhei | Because we position the midcycle so many don't have to travel | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | or try to | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | hyakuhei: ++ | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | anyway, that's our lot. Thanks all | 17:59 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 17:59 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| capnoday | hyakuhei +1 | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 5 17:59:35 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-01-05-16.59.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-01-05-16.59.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-01-05-16.59.log.html | 17:59 |
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