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| IgorYozhikov | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 12 13:02:45 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is IgorYozhikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:02 |
| IgorYozhikov | #chair jpena dirk IgorYozhikov | 13:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov dirk jpena | 13:03 |
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| jruzicka | o/ | 13:03 |
| jpena | o/ | 13:03 |
| IgorYozhikov | let's spend some time on agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:03 |
| number80 | o/ | 13:03 |
| IgorYozhikov | #chair jpena dirk IgorYozhikov number80 | 13:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov dirk jpena number80 | 13:04 |
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| dirk | o/ | 13:04 |
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| number80 | let's start | 13:06 |
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| IgorYozhikov | yep | 13:06 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic keystone https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396262/, let's merge it? | 13:07 |
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| number80 | if the pymysql change is done, I'm good | 13:07 |
| IgorYozhikov | I tried to address all comments from all sides in my last PR | 13:07 |
| IgorYozhikov | number80, I just updated PR with pymysql | 13:07 |
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| IgorYozhikov | but now it failed on SUSE ci side | 13:08 |
| number80 | I think the eventlet package in suse CI is missing a deps if I stand correctly | 13:09 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, could you take a look please ^^^^^ | 13:09 |
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| IgorYozhikov | so, does it means that in common everything else is fine with keystone PR? | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | and it is only required to fix possible issues related to SUSE ci passing | 13:13 |
| IgorYozhikov | and we can merge | 13:13 |
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| IgorYozhikov | right? | 13:13 |
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| IgorYozhikov | number80, dirk, jpena your opinion? ^^ | 13:15 |
| jpena | yes, I'm fine with that (I'd like to fix the ldap/pyldap issue, but that's the next topic) | 13:15 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: I need to review it and fix the suse ci issue | 13:15 |
| IgorYozhikov | great, thanx! | 13:16 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic pyldap or python-ldap, change mappings in pymod2pkg or just use exact component from project requirements | 13:16 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I'm not sure that we need to create one mapping for 2 different projects | 13:16 |
| IgorYozhikov | let's discuss this topic, question raised by apevec | 13:17 |
| number80 | we can handle that with provides | 13:17 |
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| IgorYozhikov | as dirk mentioned in the keystone code there is pyldap | 13:18 |
| IgorYozhikov | number80, do you suggest to add provides pyldap into python-ldap, am I right? | 13:19 |
| dirk | number80: the point is that keystone explictely requests pyldap | 13:19 |
| dirk | so pyldap needs ot be the eggname | 13:19 |
| dirk | ldap is not the same thing | 13:19 |
| IgorYozhikov | agree | 13:19 |
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| IgorYozhikov | just trying to understand why not to use pyldap. Is there any blockers on the RH side for that? | 13:21 |
| * number80 trying to remember why | 13:22 | |
| number80 | I need to recheck with Alan, but we can provide pyldap somewhere | 13:23 |
| jpena | in the fedora packages, we have python-ldap and python3-pyldap (pyldap supports python3, but only that subpackage is created) | 13:23 |
| number80 | it could be a bug or something | 13:23 |
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| number80 | jpena: python2 variant can be reenabled | 13:24 |
| number80 | but it means phasing out legacy ldap python modue | 13:25 |
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| number80 | (ok, just remembered that was the problem) | 13:25 |
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| IgorYozhikov | ok, so number80 is going to clarify usage of pyldap with apevec, right? | 13:27 |
| number80 | ack | 13:27 |
| number80 | #action number80 check with apevec pyldap status | 13:27 |
| IgorYozhikov | cool | 13:27 |
| number80 | but I lean toward switching to pyldap either for ocata or pike at last | 13:28 |
| IgorYozhikov | #topic Open Floor | 13:29 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I want to say welcome to new contributors - Dobroslaw, kornicameister | 13:30 |
| IgorYozhikov | sorry if missed someone | 13:30 |
| Dobroslaw | and jakub :) | 13:31 |
| IgorYozhikov | sure, thanx | 13:31 |
| jakub | hi all | 13:31 |
| IgorYozhikov | I think that you may have questions || topics to discuss | 13:31 |
| number80 | Welcome Droboslaw and kornicameister | 13:32 |
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| jakub | I guess there are some questions from Dobroslaw and kornicameister on the openstack-rpm-packaging channel | 13:34 |
| jakub | [07:36] <Dobroslaw> I'm working now on monasca-api in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418376/ | 13:34 |
| jakub | [07:36] <Dobroslaw> And I have in some way similar problem with dependencies like kornicameister | 13:34 |
| jakub | [07:37] <Dobroslaw> in monasca-api requirements file we have 3 potential db drivers, but two of them are commented: https://github.com/openstack/monasca-api/blob/master/requirements.txt#L20 | 13:35 |
| jakub | [07:38] <Dobroslaw> and because of that tests fail (not seeing casandra driver) | 13:35 |
| jakub | [07:38] <Dobroslaw> should I add all this drivers as dependencies in spec file? | 13:35 |
| jakub | [07:39] <Dobroslaw> user will most likely need only one specific - for him - driver | 13:35 |
| jakub | [07:39] <Dobroslaw> but tests needs all | 13:35 |
| jakub | (sorry for putting it like that, but Dobroslaw had to leave) | 13:36 |
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| dirk | jakub: I thought I answered to that | 13:36 |
| Dobroslaw | ok I have some more time | 13:37 |
| dirk | dirk> kornicameister: generally sqlalchemy | 13:37 |
| dirk | 07:12 <dirk> So just depend on that .. the actual orm is an installer issue | 13:37 |
| dirk | 07:12 <dirk> Usually OpenStack uses oslo.db though | 13:37 |
| Dobroslaw | yes, but for relational dbs | 13:37 |
| Dobroslaw | I'm looking for Casandra, InfluxDB and Vertica | 13:38 |
| dirk | ah, so you're talking about the test failures? | 13:38 |
| dirk | just add it as buildrequires | 13:38 |
| Dobroslaw | yes | 13:38 |
| dirk | buildrequires are not runtime requires, so it doesn't affect users | 13:38 |
| Dobroslaw | and about drivers for end users | 13:39 |
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| Dobroslaw | they will use one driver | 13:39 |
| dirk | do you want to opinionate to influxdb? | 13:39 |
| Dobroslaw | but how to pack it? | 13:39 |
| Dobroslaw | make this all drivers dependency of one package? | 13:40 |
| IgorYozhikov | are you speaking about https://github.com/openstack/monasca-api/blob/1.5.0/tox.ini#L14-L18 | 13:40 |
| Dobroslaw | or create 3 packages, every one depending on one driver? | 13:40 |
| Dobroslaw | IgorYozhikov, well partially, tests check all drivers | 13:41 |
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| jpena | in these cases, we usually leave the installation of the driver as a task for the deployer | 13:41 |
| jpena | as runtime req I mean | 13:41 |
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| dirk | Dobroslaw: well, either opinionate one or none | 13:42 |
| dirk | Dobroslaw: IMHO I would not require any | 13:42 |
| dirk | Dobroslaw: its the task of the installer (manualler or automatic) to setup the database | 13:43 |
| Dobroslaw | so running installation of influxdb from e.g. chef based on user config? | 13:43 |
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| dirk | sure, I mean the database could be on a completely different node | 13:43 |
| dirk | so requiring any database doesn't make sense | 13:43 |
| IgorYozhikov | if these packages are required only during build time you can add them to build-requires or exclude such tests from testr | 13:43 |
| Dobroslaw | sorry, I mean influx python driver | 13:43 |
| IgorYozhikov | Dobroslaw, does it means that obly drivers will be required for tests, not DBs, right? | 13:44 |
| Dobroslaw | yes | 13:44 |
| dirk | same thing, if you don#t want to opinionate the pacakging to always use influxdb, just depend runtime wise on nothing | 13:45 |
| Dobroslaw | oh, ok | 13:45 |
| Dobroslaw | will do | 13:45 |
| Dobroslaw | thank you | 13:46 |
| number80 | yep | 13:46 |
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| IgorYozhikov | anything else to discuss - topics, questions, concerns? | 13:47 |
| dirk | yes | 13:47 |
| dirk | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 13:47 |
| dirk | schedule reminder | 13:48 |
| IgorYozhikov | R-5? | 13:48 |
| dirk | feature freeze is upcoming, and PTL self nomination next week | 13:48 |
| dirk | In case you want to think about becoming PTL :) | 13:49 |
| IgorYozhikov | o i c :) | 13:49 |
| dirk | sorry, week after next week | 13:49 |
| dirk | I'm off by one | 13:49 |
| number80 | yep, resigning from this cycle, so feel free to candidate :) | 13:50 |
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| IgorYozhikov | number80, this cycle looks to be shorter compare to newton | 13:51 |
| IgorYozhikov | anyway, thank you for info & reminding | 13:52 |
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| number80 | well, it's nice to change from time to time | 13:52 |
| IgorYozhikov | number80, what is about ptg? any updates? | 13:53 |
| IgorYozhikov | as I remember that we planed to create remote sessions if it possible | 13:54 |
| number80 | Well, we have 2 days scheduled of meeting, and yes, we'll plan remote sessions (likely during the US mornings/European afternoons) | 13:55 |
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| IgorYozhikov | yey :D | 13:55 |
| number80 | I haven't received exact schedule to make suggestions yet | 13:55 |
| IgorYozhikov | good, anything else? | 13:57 |
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| * dirk is good | 13:58 | |
| * jpena to | 13:58 | |
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| jpena | too | 13:58 |
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| IgorYozhikov | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 12 14:00:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-01-12-13.02.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-01-12-13.02.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-01-12-13.02.log.html | 14:00 |
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| number80 | thanks IgorYozhikov | 14:02 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 12 15:00:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:00 | |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| ganso | hello | 15:00 |
| ravichandran | hello | 15:00 |
| vponomaryov | hello | 15:00 |
| rraja | hi | 15:00 |
| cknight | Hi | 15:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:01 |
| tommylikehu_ | hello | 15:01 |
| dustins_ | \o | 15:01 |
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| xyang1 | hi | 15:01 |
| dustins | \o | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | so the agenda today looks pretty short | 15:01 |
| bswartz | but first | 15:01 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:01 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:02 | |
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| markstur | hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | feature proposal freeze is today in approximately 9 hours | 15:02 |
| bswartz | at UTC 23:59 to be exact | 15:02 |
| bswartz | we're 2 weeks from feature freeze for ocata | 15:03 |
| bswartz | and that covers server, client, and UI (they're all on the same freeze schedule now) | 15:03 |
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| kaisers_ | \o | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:04 |
| bswartz | #topic specs implementation | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ocata-code-review-focus | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | so let's review these one last time | 15:05 |
| bswartz | because some of these can be punted out to pike today | 15:05 |
| bswartz | so fix-and-improve-access-rules | 15:06 |
| bswartz | thanks gouthamr for updating the etherpad | 15:06 |
| bswartz | (I assume that's gouthamr) | 15:06 |
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| gouthamr | heh, it's orange | 15:06 |
| gouthamr | :) | 15:06 |
| bswartz | oh orange like Clemson -- I get it | 15:06 |
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| gouthamr | i'm updating the unit tests, this one should be good in a bit | 15:07 |
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| bswartz | okay so this one is almost ready but could still miss the deadline | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | i've one other patch that ganso is helping with - i'm hoping that can make it too | 15:07 |
| bswartz | next is manila-ipv6 | 15:08 |
| tommylikehu_ | from my view ,most of the framework patches are ok | 15:08 |
| ganso | yea I added it to the etherpad just now | 15:08 |
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| tommylikehu_ | but the generic driver part is not ready | 15:08 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu_: when we last spoke the issues here were with how we can test dhss=true | 15:08 |
| gouthamr | thanks ganso | 15:08 |
| tommylikehu_ | I am trying to make the generic driver works right with dhss=true | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | tommylikehu_: aside from the generic driver impl, is everything complete? | 15:09 |
| tommylikehu_ | I think so, from my view | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | okay so let's talk briefly about the generic driver part | 15:09 |
| tommylikehu_ | thanks | 15:09 |
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| tommylikehu_ | I have a trouble with manila instance image | 15:10 |
| bswartz | my view is that ipv6 is important enough that I'd like to have it for dhss=false only if we can't have it for both | 15:10 |
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| bswartz | it's important that the code changes work for both cases, but if we lack gate coverage and support in the generic driver I don't want to hold up the whole feature | 15:10 |
| bswartz | I know there are multiple moving pieces in the generic driver that may need changes to implement ipv6 support 100% | 15:11 |
| tommylikehu_ | yes | 15:11 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu_: does lvm work fine already? | 15:12 |
| tommylikehu_ | tested in my environment | 15:12 |
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| tommylikehu_ | it's only about the scheduler and backend config | 15:12 |
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| bswartz | so I'd like to proceed with those patches, and keep working on generic, but don't let the generic driver support hold us back | 15:13 |
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| bswartz | that's my opinion though, does anyone feel differently? | 15:13 |
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| tommylikehu_ | thanks, also I think the generic part need more attention from some guys here | 15:13 |
| tommylikehu_ | there is a possibility that the manila instance can not get valid ipv6 address even after I modified the disk image with 'iface $interface int6 dhcp' added. | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | tommylikehu_: review attention or help with implementation? | 15:14 |
| tommylikehu_ | maybe the latter | 15:14 |
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| tommylikehu_ | cause I can not find out why it does not work | 15:14 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu_: okay well that's unlikely to happen before pike | 15:15 |
| tommylikehu_ | ok.. | 15:15 |
| bswartz | we have short time left before ocata and many reviews to do | 15:15 |
| tommylikehu_ | so what's your suggestion for me? | 15:16 |
| bswartz | prioritize getting the core patched merged, and test coverage for the dhss=false code paths | 15:16 |
| tommylikehu_ | ok, I would focus on your response from core patches | 15:16 |
| bswartz | as much as possible, we want to demonstrate the the dhss=true case isn't broken, but we can not officially support that case in ocata | 15:17 |
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| tommylikehu_ | ok | 15:17 |
| ganso | bswartz: in that case wouldn't we be merging a feature without anyone dhss=true using? | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | tommylikehu_: have you tried container driver? | 15:17 |
| bswartz | anything else on ipv6? | 15:17 |
| ganso | bswartz: like, we don't know if it really works | 15:18 |
| tommylikehu_ | ganso: all of the cases? | 15:18 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: I think the container driver would be relatively hard to get working for this case -- not a good starting place | 15:18 |
| ganso | tommylikehu_: no, just dhss=True | 15:18 |
| tommylikehu_ | yes, I am trying to | 15:18 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: still a variant | 15:19 |
| tommylikehu_ | a lot of projects related to this should be confirmed to support IPv6 | 15:19 |
| bswartz | ganso: I agree we still don't know if it works, so we wouldn't support it in ocata | 15:19 |
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| bswartz | however we can and should get the (more common) dhss=false case taken care of | 15:20 |
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| tommylikehu_ | bswartz: I would like to | 15:20 |
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| ganso | I am just questioning whether we should merge untested code or strip down the patch to not include dhss=True code paths | 15:21 |
| ganso | bswartz: ^ | 15:21 |
| markstur | would any drivers enable ipv6_support? | 15:21 |
| bswartz | ganso: as long as there are not regressions I think it's good to get the interfaces in place | 15:21 |
| bswartz | markstur: LVM and dummy | 15:21 |
| markstur | so it would be a preview | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | markstur: and perhaps other vendor drivers -- the code has been available for any vendor wanted to work on it | 15:22 |
| markstur | yeah, that's what I was wondering about | 15:22 |
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| * markstur doesn't see other vendors waving frantically | 15:23 | |
| bswartz | ganso: I could imagine the dhss=true code path having bugs, and that's okay as long as they don't affect ipv4 use cases | 15:23 |
| tommylikehu_ | other vendor driver would enable IPv6 only the framework patches is merged | 15:23 |
| tommylikehu_ | I think | 15:23 |
| ganso | bswartz: oh ok | 15:23 |
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| bswartz | new features frequently have bugs -- and if we catch any of them we will fix them | 15:24 |
| bswartz | but I don't want the whole chicken-and-egg problem to hold us back on this feature because ipv6 support isn't an optional thing | 15:24 |
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| bswartz | rather, ipv6 isn't a value-added feature, it's a baseline thing that we should be embarrassed that we don't have | 15:25 |
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| markstur | yep. as long at it doesn't break other things - even if it is just an LVM preview - landing it now will speed the adoption by vendors early in pike | 15:25 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: also, we do not have explicit list of review assignees for this feature | 15:25 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: like for some other features | 15:26 |
| bswartz | yes let's use the etherpad to gew reviewers to sign up | 15:26 |
| markstur | of course vendors may be implementing on top of the patches, but it usually happens faster if the framework lands | 15:26 |
| tommylikehu_ | vponomaryov: yes, these patched have not get much reviewed | 15:26 |
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| bswartz | there I've created places for people to add their names | 15:27 |
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| bswartz | This one is on my list but not at the top | 15:27 |
| bswartz | ganso's matches at at the top of my queue | 15:27 |
| bswartz | patches | 15:27 |
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| ganso | bswartz: \o/ | 15:28 |
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| tommylikehu_ | looking forward your comments | 15:28 |
| bswartz | okay let's move on | 15:28 |
| markstur | we don't need no stinkin' matches | 15:28 |
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| * markstur apologizes to those who didn't get that reference ^ | 15:28 | |
| bswartz | the race conditions work | 15:28 |
| bswartz | the tooz patch is still being worked on | 15:29 |
| bswartz | and the later patches haven't been written yet | 15:29 |
| bswartz | I had high hopes for this feature but ocata was too short to make progress on it, aside from getting agreement in the spec | 15:29 |
| cknight | bswartz: why merge tooz if nothing is using it yet? | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | gouthamr are you committed to getting the unit tests for this updated too? | 15:30 |
| bswartz | cknight: access rules should use it | 15:30 |
| gouthamr | bswartz: yeah.. i think the coverage gap there is minor, but i don't want to miss it | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | cknight: replication will use it | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | cknight: access rules, i've not created that dependency, but it will be a trivial flip | 15:31 |
| cknight | gouthamr: ok | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | okay so we'll look forward to another PS in the next 8 hours | 15:32 |
| bswartz | on the topic of scenario tests | 15:32 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: you weren't here last week but we presumed that this is done already | 15:32 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: yes, no planned commits for ocata timeframe | 15:33 |
| vponomaryov | after ones that have been merged | 15:33 |
| bswartz | cool | 15:34 |
| bswartz | create share from snapshot extras spec changes are done | 15:34 |
| bswartz | revert to snapshot is completely ready, right cknight? | 15:34 |
| cknight | bswartz: yes | 15:34 |
| cknight | bswartz: just handling a couple late comments | 15:34 |
| cknight | bswartz: the cDOT patch for revert will be up today | 15:35 |
| bswartz | okay so that feature will be supported by lvm and netapp in ocata | 15:36 |
| bswartz | any other driver support? | 15:36 |
| ganso | bswartz: hnas | 15:36 |
| cknight | bswartz: HNAS, I think | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | cool | 15:36 |
| bswartz | mountable snasphots | 15:37 |
| ganso | bswartz: that one is ready for reviews | 15:37 |
| bswartz | okay so it meets the deadline already | 15:37 |
| ganso | bswartz: there is a scenario test that is not passing at this moment, it in a separate patch, my team mate is investigating why | 15:38 |
| ganso | bswartz: seems to be a problem intrinsic to LVM driver | 15:38 |
| bswartz | and we have reviewers signed up | 15:38 |
| bswartz | ganso: feel free to ping me about that offline | 15:38 |
| bswartz | okay share groups | 15:38 |
| ganso | bswartz: ok, thanks! | 15:38 |
| vponomaryov | share groups just need rebase | 15:39 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov you were doing some rebases on these patches | 15:39 |
| bswartz | rebases not done yet? | 15:39 |
| vponomaryov | not yet | 15:39 |
| bswartz | but this code has been complete since before the holidays right? | 15:39 |
| vponomaryov | yes | 15:39 |
| vponomaryov | logic is ready | 15:39 |
| vponomaryov | just rebase | 15:39 |
| bswartz | I should remind everyone who has patches -- please keep them rebased over the next 2 weeks | 15:40 |
| bswartz | we expect to merge several large things, and merge conflicts are inevitable | 15:40 |
| tommylikehu_ | ok | 15:40 |
| gouthamr | can we not merge anything today please? :P | 15:40 |
| bswartz | the faster we resolve the merge conflicts, the more things we can get done before the deadline | 15:40 |
| tommylikehu_ | ? | 15:40 |
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| gouthamr | i hate flipping microversion changes or database upgrades and missing something for jenkins to ding me on while i'm rushing to please jenkins for FPF | 15:41 |
| bswartz | gouthamr: there's no reason to slow down our review and merging work | 15:41 |
| bswartz | people who wait to the last minute should not slow down the rest of us | 15:41 |
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| ganso | we are very fortunate that we are not suffering gate breakages today (yet) | 15:42 |
| bswartz | yeah | 15:42 |
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| tbarron | ganso stop it | 15:42 |
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| tommylikehu_ | lol | 15:42 |
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| bswartz | migration improvemnts | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: it is the rule, right after someone mentions something, it should happen ) | 15:42 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: lol | 15:42 |
| bswartz | nooooo | 15:42 |
| ganso | migration patches is ready too, according to what is proposed | 15:43 |
| bswartz | okay migration improvements looks good | 15:43 |
| ganso | yesterday 2 bugs were found | 15:43 |
| bswartz | I'll mention that this one has UI patches which depend on getting the server/client bits merged and releasing a new client | 15:43 |
| ganso | they are small and simple to fix | 15:43 |
| bswartz | so and earlier merge here will help us not be late on the UI | 15:43 |
| ganso | bswartz: not this one | 15:43 |
| ganso | bswartz: mountable requires that for manila-ui | 15:44 |
| ganso | bswartz: migration is fine | 15:44 |
| bswartz | what? | 15:44 |
| ganso | bswartz: migration's manila-ui patch is not failing build due to dependency problems | 15:44 |
| bswartz | oh I'm confused then | 15:44 |
| ganso | bswartz: mountable snapshot's manila-ui patch is | 15:44 |
| bswartz | okay then gouthamrs and vponomaryov, you two have signed up for reviewing that so please do that sooner rather than later | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I am in the middle of reviewing it | 15:45 |
| ganso | bswartz: those 2 bugs that were found yesterday, do they need to be fixed prior to FPF deadline? | 15:45 |
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| bswartz | ganso: no that's the whole point of the next 2 weeks | 15:45 |
| bswartz | responding to review comments | 15:46 |
| ganso | bswartz: cool | 15:46 |
| bswartz | however sooner is still better | 15:46 |
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| ganso | bswartz: sure | 15:46 |
| bswartz | if you fix those bug on Jan 25 then don't expect a merge before feature freeze | 15:46 |
| ganso | bswartz: got it... I plan to fix them tomorrow, today I am focused on getting access rules patch ready to meet FPF | 15:47 |
| bswartz | okay and db-manage-purge is the last one in progress, and it's being reiewed | 15:47 |
| bswartz | lets shift gears to PTG | 15:47 |
| vponomaryov | this one will slow down other big features | 15:47 |
| bswartz | #topic PTG | 15:48 |
| tommylikehu_ | bswartz: it''s almost done | 15:48 |
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| ganso | vponomaryov: because of adding unit tests for every subsequent change? | 15:48 |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-pike-ptg-topics | 15:48 |
| bswartz | so we've started collecting topics for the PTG | 15:48 |
| tommylikehu_ | ganso: I think there is no need to | 15:48 |
| bswartz | unlike design summits, we won't have "slots" to fill, it will be more like a midcycle in terms of the agenda | 15:49 |
| tommylikehu_ | bswartz: how about share backup | 15:49 |
| markstur | added link to the epad of epads here too https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Pike/Etherpads#Wednesday_-.3E_Thursday | 15:49 |
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| vponomaryov | ganso: updating existing tests and model tree | 15:49 |
| bswartz | I will publish an planned agenda in terms of which topics we will cover which days, and a rough ordering | 15:49 |
| bswartz | but we won't have specific start/end times | 15:49 |
| tommylikehu_ | vponomaryov: other projects like cinder and nova don't like a model tree like we do | 15:50 |
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| vponomaryov | tommylikehu_: I don't like it too )) | 15:50 |
| bswartz | last week when I asked many of us were still waiting on travel approval | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | any good news on that front? | 15:50 |
| ganso | bswartz: still waiting on an email response | 15:50 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: come on, even I plan to be there ) | 15:51 |
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| bswartz | tommylikehu_ vponomaryov: do we need to discuss the DB purge change in more detail? | 15:51 |
| markstur | still not approved | 15:51 |
| markstur | vponomaryov: long trip | 15:51 |
| bswartz | tbarron: IIRC you're definitely coming right? | 15:51 |
| tommylikehu_ | bswartz: I am ok with that | 15:51 |
| tbarron | yes | 15:51 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: we just should understand that each DBchange will now requre additional efforts to keep DB purge feature working | 15:51 |
| tbarron | bswartz: also vkmc and dustins | 15:52 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: I saw that and I'm not thrilled with it, but I couldn't think of a way to automatically generate the dependencies table | 15:52 |
| tommylikehu_ | vponomaryov: no every change | 15:52 |
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| bswartz | okay well flight costs can only go up, so hammer on your managers to get approval | 15:53 |
| tommylikehu_ | vponomaryov: only after we add new table with soft-deleted or update the relationships between tables | 15:53 |
| bswartz | also point out that attendance of the PTG actually saves you significant money if you also plan to be in boston | 15:53 |
| tbarron | bswartz and I still think $100 is significant | 15:53 |
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| ganso | anything specific planned for manila in boston? | 15:54 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: flight and accomodation cost cannot be less than this |saving" ) | 15:54 |
| bswartz | tbarron: no it save you like $600 or whatever the conference adminission cost is | 15:54 |
| tbarron | ah | 15:54 |
| tommylikehu_ | any discount from hotel if we can get the ticket? | 15:55 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: well yeah traveling to atlanta still costs quite a bit but I'm trying to give people ammunition to argue for funding | 15:55 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu_: if you book through the PTG website you get a discount | 15:55 |
| tbarron | yes, but the hilton 2 blocks down the street is even cheaper | 15:55 |
| tommylikehu_ | bswartz: ok~ | 15:55 |
| bswartz | yeah the conference hotel itself is still a bit pricey but there are other options -- atlanta is a big city | 15:56 |
| bswartz | and we're only meeting for 2 days if you want to skip the non-manila stuff | 15:56 |
| tbarron | just don't go somewhere in atlanta where you have to drive | 15:56 |
| bswartz | I'll be there all week | 15:56 |
| bswartz | anyways please propose topics over the next 2 weeks | 15:57 |
| tbarron | to the conference | 15:57 |
| bswartz | around FF time I'll start organizing the agenda | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:58 |
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| ganso | bswartz: anything specific planned for manila in boston? | 15:58 |
| bswartz | any last topics? | 15:58 |
| tbarron | ganso: just your talk :D | 15:58 |
| bswartz | ganso: honestly I don't know | 15:58 |
| ganso | tbarron: my talk? o_O | 15:58 |
| bswartz | the developer-oriented stuff in boston will be cross-project only from what I've heard | 15:58 |
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| bswartz | the main reason to be in boston is to interact with customers or other project teams | 15:59 |
| markstur | maybe xyang1 will give tours | 15:59 |
| xyang1 | :) | 15:59 |
| tbarron | if you are considering proposing a talk you may also want to look at Vault around the same time: http://go.linuxfoundation.org/e/6342/events-vault/3lfjpk/748294864 | 15:59 |
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| xyang1 | markstur: take the duck boat tour | 16:00 |
| bswartz | okay we're out of time | 16:00 |
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| tbarron | they have manila on their list of suggested topics | 16:00 |
| bswartz | thanks everyone | 16:00 |
| tbarron | but no marketing | 16:00 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 12 16:00:26 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-01-12-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-01-12-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-01-12-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| vsakharov | Hi! | 16:00 |
| ashtokolov | #startmeeting Fuel | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 12 16:01:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ashtokolov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Fuel)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' | 16:01 |
| ashtokolov | Hi | 16:01 |
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| ashtokolov | So we have no topics in agenda | 16:02 |
| ashtokolov | Let's start with open discussions | 16:02 |
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| ashtokolov | We are working on the next milestone for stable/mitaka | 16:02 |
| ashtokolov | We are going to freeze stable/mitaka branch Jan17 to stabilise the codebase and release the pack of bugfixes | 16:03 |
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| ashtokolov | I'll announce it later in openstack-dev mailing list | 16:03 |
| ashtokolov | Any questions? | 16:04 |
| vsakharov | So, next milestone will start after Jan17? | 16:04 |
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| ashtokolov | We will focus on Ocata release | 16:04 |
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| vsakharov | It will be MOS10 or MOS11? | 16:05 |
| ashtokolov | It's all about Fuel releases | 16:05 |
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| ashtokolov | MOS releases are up to Mirantis | 16:05 |
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| ashtokolov | afaik MOS 9.2 will be based on stable/mitaka | 16:06 |
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| ashtokolov | MOS10 will be based on stable/newton | 16:06 |
| ashtokolov | Ocata release is Fuel11 | 16:06 |
| ashtokolov | vsakharov: I have no details about MOS11 | 16:07 |
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| ashtokolov | So we are going to release Fuel11 March 8 | 16:07 |
| ashtokolov | And then will work on Fuel Pike aka Fuel12 | 16:07 |
| vsakharov | ashtolkov: Thanks for clarification | 16:07 |
| ashtokolov | you are welcome! | 16:08 |
| ashtokolov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/Release_Schedule | 16:08 |
| ashtokolov | vsakharov: this page describes Fuel Release Schedule | 16:09 |
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| ashtokolov | I try to keep it up-to-date | 16:09 |
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| ashtokolov | Any other questions? | 16:13 |
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| ashtokolov | ok | 16:15 |
| ashtokolov | let's end the meeting for today | 16:15 |
| ashtokolov | please feel free to add your topics to agenda for next meetings | 16:15 |
| ashtokolov | #endmeeting | 16:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 12 16:16:05 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2017/fuel.2017-01-12-16.01.html | 16:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2017/fuel.2017-01-12-16.01.txt | 16:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fuel/2017/fuel.2017-01-12-16.01.log.html | 16:16 |
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| sigmavirus | #startmeeting security | 16:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 12 16:59:39 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sigmavirus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 16:59 |
| sigmavirus | #chair hyakuhei | 16:59 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hyakuhei sigmavirus | 16:59 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:00 |
| vds | o/ | 17:00 |
| sigmavirus | #topic roll call | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:00 | |
| sigmavirus | o/ | 17:00 |
| * sigmavirus goes off in search of the agenda | 17:00 | |
| sigmavirus | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:01 |
| sigmavirus | #info The agenda can be found at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:01 |
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| sigmavirus | #topic Action Items from last meeting | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Items from last meeting (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:02 | |
| sigmavirus | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-01-05-16.59.html | 17:02 |
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| sigmavirus | There look to have been no action items from last week | 17:02 |
| unrahul | o/ | 17:02 |
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| ccneill | o/ | 17:03 |
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| sigmavirus | #info Reminder this is a 30 minute meeting | 17:03 |
| knangia | o/ | 17:03 |
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| elmiko | hi | 17:03 |
| vinaypotluri | o/ | 17:03 |
| sigmavirus | Here we go | 17:03 |
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| sigmavirus | hyakuhei, tmcpeak, and others are still missing | 17:03 |
| sigmavirus | I suspect they're in a meeting that we're not privy to so I'm just rolling with the 30 minute meeting | 17:04 |
| sigmavirus | I'm going to go down the list for quick updates for projects since we haven't done this before | 17:04 |
| elmiko | i'm here for moral support =) | 17:04 |
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| unrahul | :) | 17:04 |
| sigmavirus | #topic Syntribos Updates | 17:04 |
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| sigmavirus | unrahul: ccneill ^ | 17:04 |
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| sigmavirus | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/syntribos,n,z | 17:04 |
| unrahul | We have split up testing of swift into diff parts | 17:04 |
| unrahul | and we have found 2 issues | 17:05 |
| sigmavirus | Very good! | 17:05 |
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| unrahul | one has been made public and it related to authentication when swifts own tempauth | 17:05 |
| unrahul | is used.. it was writing auth tokens to log files.. | 17:05 |
| ccneill | ooh, nice find :) | 17:05 |
| sigmavirus | hah | 17:05 |
| unrahul | but it seems the team considers keystone as the standard auth module.. so didnt consider that as a security issue | 17:06 |
| unrahul | :/ | 17:06 |
| sigmavirus | Any other highlights? | 17:06 |
| michaelxin | o/ | 17:06 |
| sigmavirus | Also that's surprising but let's revisit after status updates | 17:06 |
| unrahul | we have few patches up.. other than that we would be testing swift this week and next week as well. | 17:06 |
| unrahul | thats all from us.. for now | 17:06 |
| sigmavirus | Great unrahul. Thank you! | 17:06 |
| unrahul | thanks sigmavirus :) | 17:06 |
| sigmavirus | #topic OSSN Updates | 17:06 |
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| sigmavirus | Anyone around to provide status updates on OSSNs? lhinds ? | 17:07 |
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| sigmavirus | We can circle back, I guess if no one's around. | 17:07 |
| * sigmavirus is hoping to keep us on schedule for 30 minute meetings | 17:08 | |
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| unrahul | yeah.. | 17:08 |
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| sigmavirus | #topic Blog updates | 17:08 |
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| elmiko | sadly, i have not kept up on docs or ossns | 17:08 |
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| sigmavirus | Anyone planning blog posts or have updates about the OpenStack security blog? | 17:08 |
| sigmavirus | #link https://openstack-security.github.io/ | 17:08 |
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| elmiko | not me | 17:09 |
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| * unrahul think thats a no from everyone | 17:09 | |
| sigmavirus | Yeah | 17:09 |
| sigmavirus | #topic Bandit Updates | 17:09 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Bandit Updates (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:09 | |
| sigmavirus | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/bandit,n,z | 17:09 |
| tkelsey | Bandit had a new release as well | 17:10 |
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| sigmavirus | Philip is an outsider to OpenStack so let's make him feel welcome :) | 17:10 |
| elmiko | nice | 17:10 |
| * sigmavirus introduced him to bandit so he's found something to contribute | 17:10 | |
| tkelsey | hi Philip :) | 17:10 |
| sigmavirus | Also, due to the requirements thread, I found out there are hostile forks of PyCrypto so our weak crypto key plugins need updates | 17:10 |
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| tkelsey | #link https://github.com/openstack/bandit/releases | 17:10 |
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| * sigmavirus doesn't know if philip is here for the meeting | 17:10 | |
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| unrahul | hey Philip welcome :) | 17:10 |
| michaelxin | tkelsey: how are you? it has been a while. | 17:11 |
| michaelxin | Philip welcome | 17:11 |
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| tkelsey | michaelxin: not bad thanks, not had much OS time recently though :( how are you? | 17:11 |
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| sigmavirus | I think that's it for Bandit | 17:12 |
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| tkelsey | yeah I have nothing else to report | 17:12 |
| michaelxin | tkelsey: good. Thanks. | 17:12 |
| tkelsey | :) | 17:12 |
| sigmavirus | Looking at the other standing topics, there's "Security Reviews", so let's move on with that | 17:12 |
| sigmavirus | #topic Security Reviews | 17:12 |
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| sigmavirus | Anyone have anything? | 17:12 |
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| sigmavirus | #topic Security Guide | 17:13 |
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| sigmavirus | elmiko: hasn't been keeping up with it. Has anyone been keeping up with it? | 17:13 |
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| * sigmavirus waves to browne | 17:14 | |
| browne | o/ | 17:14 |
| browne | sorry i'm late | 17:14 |
| sigmavirus | browne: have you been keeping up with the Security Guide? | 17:14 |
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| browne | not much no | 17:14 |
| sigmavirus | No worries. We're half-way through our first 30 minute meeting so people hopefully have 30 minutes to work on OSSP stuff | 17:14 |
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| sigmavirus | #topic Elections | 17:14 |
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| elmiko | haha | 17:15 |
| sigmavirus | #info Reminder that PTL Nominations are open from 18 Jan 2017 23:59 UTC until 29 Jan 2017 23:45 UTC | 17:15 |
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| sigmavirus | #link https://governance.openstack.org/election/#how-to-submit-your-candidacy | 17:15 |
| sigmavirus | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html#pike-ptls-self-nomination | 17:15 |
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| ccneill | wow, that was faster than I thought lol | 17:15 |
| sigmavirus | ccneill: Yeah, ocata is a very short cycle | 17:16 |
| ccneill | do we have new candidates? or will our fearless leader, hyakuhei, continue his reign? | 17:16 |
| sigmavirus | That's due to the shift from Summit to PTG | 17:16 |
| sigmavirus | ccneill: last meeting hyakuhei mentioned that he was still talking to leadership | 17:16 |
| sigmavirus | No one else has had luck convincing their leadership to let them run | 17:16 |
| ccneill | oof | 17:16 |
| sigmavirus | Y'all should work on your leadership | 17:16 |
| unrahul | I thought tmcpeak was also considering along with sigmavirus anything decided..? | 17:17 |
| sicarie | sigmavirus: apologies got caught in a meeting while waiting for this to start | 17:17 |
| capnoday__ | sigmavirus for ptl :D | 17:17 |
| sigmavirus | I'm not sure how much work there is in being Security PTL but I'm sure hyahukei can help explain that | 17:17 |
| unrahul | I think Friday is that last day ryt? | 17:17 |
| sicarie | I have been working on the sec-guide | 17:17 |
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| sigmavirus | capnoday__: lol. I'll just run meetings | 17:17 |
| ccneill | I'm sort of out of the OSIC loop at this point.. that might change in the future, but I can't guarantee anything or give any kind of timeline | 17:17 |
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| sigmavirus | unrahul: I posted the dates above | 17:17 |
| capnoday__ | sorry for the late arrival, firefighting | 17:17 |
| sigmavirus | ccneill: yeah it's a heavy time commitment | 17:17 |
| * elmiko waves at sicarie | 17:17 | |
| sicarie | elmiko! long time no se! | 17:17 |
| sigmavirus | sicarie: let's work back round to the security guide | 17:17 |
| sicarie | see* | 17:17 |
| sicarie | sure | 17:17 |
| michaelxin | elmiko | 17:17 |
| elmiko | totally =) | 17:17 |
| capnoday__ | ccneill hyakuhei has done a great job, but if you know any other candidates for PTL, please nominate them and we can have a vote | 17:18 |
| unrahul | ryt sigmavirus | 17:18 |
| elmiko | hey michaelxin ! | 17:18 |
| sigmavirus | Any other questions on PTL nominations? They're not open yet, there's 6 days until that happens | 17:18 |
| michaelxin | hey | 17:18 |
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| ccneill | capnoday__: yep, definitely down for another cycle of hyakuhei at the helm if he can get approval to do so | 17:18 |
| * sigmavirus suspects that there aren't other questions | 17:18 | |
| michaelxin | so we have another week to figure it out | 17:18 |
| sigmavirus | michaelxin: yes | 17:18 |
| sigmavirus | And that's just when nominations *open* | 17:19 |
| sigmavirus | They close a few days later | 17:19 |
| ccneill | not suggesting we "need" another - just remembered we had decided to look for new candidate after the last PTL.. event | 17:19 |
| sigmavirus | So there's a little over a week | 17:19 |
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| sigmavirus | But I'd rather us not play fast and loose | 17:19 |
| sigmavirus | Everyone okay to move along? | 17:19 |
| michaelxin | sure | 17:19 |
| sicarie | sure | 17:19 |
| sigmavirus | #topic Security Guide (Revisited) | 17:19 |
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| sigmavirus | sicarie: the floor is yours :) | 17:19 |
| sicarie | There have been two updates - minor notes with release changes | 17:20 |
| sicarie | there is a pending change I'd definitely like input on - keystone file ownership | 17:20 |
| * sicarie runs to get a link | 17:20 | |
| sigmavirus | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/413398/ | 17:20 |
| sigmavirus | sicarie: got it for you :) | 17:20 |
| sicarie | thanks! | 17:20 |
| ashcrack4 | hey | 17:21 |
| sigmavirus | o/ ashcrack4 | 17:21 |
| sicarie | So the thought is that keystone files should be owned by root user | 17:21 |
| sicarie | I threw capnoday__ on it, but all input is appreciated | 17:21 |
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| sicarie | outside of that I am doing a Neutron review | 17:21 |
| sigmavirus | sicarie: have you thrown that link into #openstack-keystone too? | 17:21 |
| browne | why should keystone files not be owned by keystone? | 17:22 |
| * sigmavirus == browne | 17:22 | |
| sicarie | +1 browne | 17:22 |
| sicarie | that's my question | 17:22 |
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| browne | what if there is no root | 17:22 |
| sicarie | sigmavirus: i Have not, I will hop over there if I have time today | 17:22 |
| sigmavirus | I'll add stevemar to the review | 17:22 |
| sigmavirus | and dstanek | 17:22 |
| sicarie | thanks | 17:22 |
| stevemar | o/ | 17:22 |
| sigmavirus | \o stevemar | 17:23 |
| sigmavirus | #topic PTG | 17:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:23 | |
| sicarie | so from there I am doing a neutron review based on the code - I'm not sure how up to date the docs are, especially from a security perspective, so I've started that process | 17:23 |
| stevemar | added it to my list | 17:23 |
| sicarie | thanks stevemar | 17:23 |
| sigmavirus | woops :x | 17:23 |
| sigmavirus | sorry sicarie thought you were finished up | 17:24 |
| sicarie | no worries sigmavirus, that's the end of my stuff | 17:24 |
| sigmavirus | Okay. | 17:24 |
| sigmavirus | The PTG is coming up. hyakuhei mentioned he was going to be around for a few days last week. Anyone else have updates on their attendance? | 17:24 |
| sigmavirus | I'm still not going =P | 17:24 |
| elmiko | i won't be there | 17:24 |
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| browne | i'll be there the whole week | 17:24 |
| unrahul | me, vinaypotluri , knangia will not be there.. | 17:25 |
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| sigmavirus | =( | 17:25 |
| michaelxin | none from Rackspace | 17:25 |
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| stevemar | browne: nice to hear that | 17:26 |
| sigmavirus | I'll let us have the last two minutes for Open Discussion, just to round it out | 17:26 |
| sigmavirus | #topic Open Discussion | 17:26 |
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| ccneill | :[ so I know I haven't been super active, but it looks like we fought that big battle to stay big tent just to have the tent deflate | 17:27 |
| sicarie | I'm trying to go; it was easier to sell to mgmt when the location was more flexible | 17:27 |
| sigmavirus | ccneill: Yeah, so there are a lot of projects in the tent right now and the PTG was meant to make things cheaper | 17:27 |
| sigmavirus | Also more productive for developers | 17:27 |
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| sigmavirus | Companies, however, have been laying off OpenStack developers and cutting commitments | 17:27 |
| sigmavirus | Or reorganizing them onto different products | 17:28 |
| ccneill | I was more referring to the OSSP project (sorry, bad metaphoring) | 17:28 |
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| sigmavirus | ccneill: No I know, but that also affects us | 17:28 |
| ccneill | yep | 17:28 |
| elmiko | sigmavirus: ouch, didn't realize it was spreading | 17:28 |
| sigmavirus | OpenStack is at the point now where having developers focused on efforts rather than projects is more cost efficient and so cross project efforts are being led by some of those people and implemented | 17:29 |
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| elmiko | interesting | 17:29 |
| sigmavirus | And most companies need people who can install/manage/triage an OpenStack cloud rather than develop their software into it | 17:29 |
| elmiko | evolutionary even | 17:29 |
| sigmavirus | Yeah | 17:29 |
| sigmavirus | Anyway, we're over our 30 minute limit | 17:29 |
| elmiko | since we're on open mic, i saw this last week and thought of the ossp https://github.com/dxa4481/truffleHog | 17:29 |
| elmiko | has anyone checked it out? | 17:30 |
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| sigmavirus | elmiko: I heard about that from someone just yesterday | 17:30 |
| elmiko | it searches git histories for high entropy variables | 17:30 |
| ccneill | that thing's been spreading like wildfire haha | 17:30 |
| ccneill | looks very interesting | 17:30 |
| * sigmavirus agrees | 17:30 | |
| elmiko | yeah, simple concept but nice package | 17:30 |
| sigmavirus | I'm going to kill the meeting and we can all get to working on OSSP stuff | 17:30 |
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| sigmavirus | #endmeeting | 17:30 |
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| ccneill | good name too | 17:30 |
| elmiko | and not the only game in town | 17:30 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 12 17:30:50 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:30 |
| browne | elmiko: something similar was implemented by Lyft using bandit | 17:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-01-12-16.59.html | 17:30 |
| sigmavirus | Thanks yinz | 17:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-01-12-16.59.txt | 17:30 |
| elmiko | thanks sigmavirus ! | 17:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-01-12-16.59.log.html | 17:30 |
| elmiko | browne: oh wow, that's cool | 17:31 |
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| ccneill | o/ later, y'all | 17:31 |
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| elmiko | later o/ | 17:31 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:31 |
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| unrahul | later all | 17:31 |
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| ttx | o/ | 20:00 |
| SpamapS | Greetings morning fellow architectes | 20:00 |
| SpamapS | #startmeeting arch_wg | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 12 20:00:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SpamapS. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'arch_wg' | 20:00 |
| SpamapS | Courtesy ping for nikhil, harlowja, dstanek, kragniz, auggy, rockyg, rocky_g, kgiusti | 20:00 |
| ttx | hello hello | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Arch-WG#Agenda | 20:01 |
| SpamapS | ttx: thanks for coming! | 20:01 |
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| SpamapS | I was hoping more would o/ given that we're kicking off 2017 :) | 20:02 |
| cdent | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | ah | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | yo | 20:02 |
| SpamapS | huzzah, we've 4 | 20:02 |
| SpamapS | #topic previous meeting action items | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:02 | |
| SpamapS | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2016/arch_wg.2016-12-15-20.03.html | 20:03 |
| cdent | even with that "we're gonna gossip about nova" invite | 20:03 |
| ttx | FWIW I pushed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419402/ so that arch_wg changes are mentioned on channel | 20:03 |
| * cdent is disappoint | 20:03 | |
| SpamapS | ACTION: SpamapS email proposed arch-wg repo process to openstack-dev | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | ttx: SWEET thanks | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | cdent: right? I figured we'd at least get some haters. :) | 20:03 |
| ttx | we need "container" in every title | 20:04 |
| SpamapS | I did in fact email openstack-dev and I think at this point we're more in the "let's try the process out" phase. | 20:04 |
| SpamapS | ttx: *ding ding* | 20:04 |
| * cdent drinks | 20:04 | |
| SpamapS | ACTION: SpamapS write up nova-compute rant as a proposal to arch-wg repo | 20:04 |
| SpamapS | I did that, and it's in the repo now yay | 20:04 |
| cdent | got some nice responses | 20:04 |
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| SpamapS | Indeed, I think with the two proposals we have we'll be kept quite busy through Q1 | 20:05 |
| harlowja | SpamapS there is a nova-compute rant? | 20:05 |
| harlowja | where where | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | ACTION: Rockyg to write up implementation bleed-through thoughts and submit to arch-wg repo | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | harlowja: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/arch-wg/tree/proposals/nova-compute-api.rst | 20:05 |
| harlowja | kk, thx | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | I don't see a rockyg, so we'll have to carry that one | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | #action Rockyg to write up implementation bleed-through thoughts and submit to arch-wg repo (carried from December 2016) | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | and finally | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | ACTION: SpamapS send message to openstack-dev cancelling further 2016 meetings. | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | did that one. | 20:06 |
| harlowja | woot | 20:06 |
| harlowja | ha | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | #topic Proposal Process Review | 20:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Proposal Process Review (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:07 | |
| SpamapS | So, what do people think? Do we have a well defined process that is working? Any tweaks needed? | 20:07 |
| ttx | I've been wondering how to move forward on base services and here is what I came up with | 20:07 |
| SpamapS | I feel like we're still in the alpha test phase so it's a bit of a moving target anyway | 20:07 |
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| ttx | I added a "proposed implementation" to the proposal so that people know what that would trigger in practice | 20:08 |
| cdent | I think the "how to make a proposal for discussion" part it is pretty clear (because we've done it) but happens next less so (because we haven't) | 20:08 |
| ttx | then will star ta ML thread on it | 20:08 |
| harlowja | i'd like my bikeshed red | 20:08 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:08 |
| * harlowja runs away | 20:08 | |
| ttx | and after that we can amend and approve or throwaway | 20:08 |
| ttx | since that one is pretty basic we can use it to test the process | 20:09 |
| ttx | the only thing that is bikesheddable would be the narrow/wide approach | 20:09 |
| ttx | but arguably not directly ties to the proposal | 20:09 |
| ttx | tied* | 20:09 |
| ttx | (a bit orthogonal) | 20:10 |
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| SpamapS | so, the way I've envisioned it, the proposal is just for "do we have a basic idea of what needs to be understood, and enough people who think they could work on it?" | 20:11 |
| SpamapS | Once we agree on that, we rename it into active, and we start to add action items and assigned people. | 20:11 |
| ttx | ah, ok. I guess we should move it to active first then | 20:12 |
| ttx | Frankly, it's a 1.1 person job | 20:12 |
| ttx | 0.1 being +2A on reviews | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | Hah yeah | 20:12 |
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| SpamapS | well I think the actions will be some openstack specs, and maybe a community goal. | 20:12 |
| ttx | the main work being to push the thing through the TC washing machine | 20:12 |
| ttx | in that case it's just a definition | 20:13 |
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| SpamapS | but before we go deep on that (which I htink we should!) .. does that process sound good? ANd if we do that, do we want to try and land all supporting documentation in not-arch-wg specs, or do we also want to publish our own findings? | 20:13 |
| ttx | we just name the thing that already exists | 20:13 |
| ttx | process sounds ok. I just think I skipped a step | 20:13 |
| cdent | I think for most important things that we want to do the critical piece is publishing why the status quo is not good enough. Without that, nothing will happen. | 20:14 |
| ttx | cdent: yes, we probably need some template of the answer the proposal must answer | 20:14 |
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| ttx | including why the status quo is not satisfactory | 20:14 |
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| ttx | "why the change" | 20:15 |
| cdent | sadly I think that's also the part that will be most contentious and subject to mystical thinking | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | Right, so the basic sequence I want to see is "Raise a topic (base-services), agree it's important enough to track, document the current state of things, including problem statements, and then propose specs for addressing said problems, once specs are complete, proposal is considered "done" | 20:15 |
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| SpamapS | and the idea is that we keep checking in on status and raising awareness and finding resources to help complete each stage. | 20:16 |
| cdent | do you imagine a timetable on those things? | 20:16 |
| cdent | sort of three cycles, or something like that? | 20:16 |
| cdent | 2 months | 20:16 |
| cdent | 5 years | 20:16 |
| cdent | etc | 20:16 |
| cdent | :) | 20:16 |
| ttx | SpamapS: while the proposal can be free-form, I think active topics will have to follow some templates, which we'll have t odefine | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | I think it's going to be like any other EPIC story.. the pieces will have time tables, but the whole thing will be murky until late in the story. | 20:16 |
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| SpamapS | ttx: +1 for that. Do you want to define it by morphing base-services into an active workstream? | 20:17 |
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| SpamapS | (workstream sounds really weak.. what do we call them? We could still keep them as "proposals".. RFC?) | 20:17 |
| ttx | SpamapS: my fear is that base-srevices is a bit of a corner case. A siple one, but still not a classic example | 20:18 |
| ttx | simple* | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | ttx: we can both take a stab at it, you with base-services and me with nova-compute-api | 20:18 |
| ttx | ack, let's come up with somethig more detailed and then regroup | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | then try and converge on a template from what we learn trying to structure those | 20:18 |
| ttx | exactly | 20:18 |
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| SpamapS | #action ttx and SpamapS to transform their proposals into active {somethings} | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | with that... | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | #topic Proposals for work | 20:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Proposals for work (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:19 | |
| SpamapS | * Base Services - ttx | 20:19 |
| ttx | Waiting for it to be active to move to next step | 20:20 |
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| ttx | unless people want more details | 20:20 |
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| SpamapS | #info base-services is approved for active work | 20:20 |
| ttx | woohoo | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | how about that? | 20:20 |
| ttx | well, we need to move it physically to active/ | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | since you already have an action to convert it, we won't assign more redundant items | 20:21 |
| ttx | but I can propose that | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | but typically I think here we'd assign somebody to do the conversion | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | Yeah I think approved things can sit in proposal until the assigned person/team/etc. converts it to active | 20:21 |
| ttx | #action ttx to move base-services to active and complete the details | 20:21 |
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| SpamapS | git kinda sucks for rename tracking though.. so we might want to do a rename-only commit just to keep the breadcrumbs. | 20:22 |
| ttx | will do | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | kk | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | * nova-compute-api - SpamapS | 20:22 |
| ttx | what I meant by "move" | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | ttx: indeed | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | hang on I'm going to just squawk in #openstack-dev about the fact that we're talking about this now | 20:22 |
| ttx | so this one represents more work, not sure one person can rnu wit hit | 20:23 |
| ttx | run with it | 20:23 |
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| SpamapS | Agreed | 20:23 |
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| ttx | while we are waiting, small reminder that the Arch WG day at the PTG will be on the Tuesday | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | The interest level on this one tells me it is worth it to at _least_ go through the act of documenting how it works now. | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | ttx: thanks. I just got my travel approval today, so I'll book soon. :) | 20:24 |
| * cdent is sad to miss the ptg | 20:24 | |
| ttx | the way I see it, we can discuss the active proposals, then pump the backlog | 20:24 |
| ttx | cdent: miss by choice or necessity ? | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | ttx: I also think we should get matching Architecture-COP hats and ticket people for discussing deep new ideas in the hallways. (The ticket will be an invite to this meeting) ;) | 20:25 |
| cdent | ttx funding/timing | 20:25 |
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| SpamapS | ok nobody's biting I think. :) | 20:25 |
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| SpamapS | so this proposal.. the way I see it, the first action would be to go through all of the ways that compute hosts _currently_ interact with the rest of OpenStack, and document them with diagrams and basic descriptions. | 20:26 |
| ttx | SpamapS: the appropriate way is to drop the bomb on the keynote stage | 20:26 |
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| cdent | I think I can play a fun role in this discussion: a regular nova contributor and a guy who thinks nova-compute should be its own repo | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | cdent: YES you are my best friend now. | 20:27 |
| cdent | the first person thinks: when in the universe will anyone ever find the time to do this | 20:27 |
| cdent | the second person thinks: more better faster sooner yes please now | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | so, once that documentation is completed, I would expect some problems to be readily apparent, including race conditions and circular dependencies in the system that make it hard to refactor anything. | 20:28 |
| cdent | I recall from BCN that some of the detractors suggested that this was all a lot harder than anyone was imagining so the documentation will definitely be interesting | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | Well yeah, we could just get 50% done and then give up. ;) | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | Though that, IMO, _is the problem_ | 20:30 |
| SpamapS | that it's so twisty and fraught with danger | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | I'm perfectly comfortable with this taking half a year to document. | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | Because I'd like to include interviewing folks from each project that has agents on the compute node | 20:31 |
| cdent | that's a good idea | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | so, Neutron, Cinder, drivers, Ironic, etc. | 20:31 |
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| SpamapS | so I'll take the action to convert it into an active {thing} and in so doing I'll have this action item to begin with, and many more will spring from it: | 20:32 |
| cdent | btw, apparently ceilometer has given up on interacting with nova for its polling and now is going to do its own thing. I haven't got any details on that though, just heard about it couple days ago | 20:32 |
| cdent | (re "agents on the compute node") | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | ACTION: enumerate every agent that runs on compute hosts. | 20:33 |
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| SpamapS | cdent: good point about ceilometer | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | ok | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | #info nova-compute-api is approved for a move to active status | 20:34 |
| SpamapS | Agreed? | 20:34 |
| SpamapS | I should learn the bot | 20:34 |
| SpamapS | I think there's an #agree | 20:34 |
| ttx | there is | 20:34 |
| SpamapS | #action SpamapS to move nova-compute-api to active status and add structure | 20:34 |
| cdent | \o/ | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | #topic Open Discussion | 20:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:35 | |
| SpamapS | One thing I also wonder about is how people feel about my email where I admonish people to please start these discussions on the mailing list. | 20:35 |
| harlowja | a general question (maybe resolves into a proposal) but something i don't quite understand, is that if openstack has more private cloud usage now (vs public clouds), why would most of those private clouds want the complexity that neutron offers | 20:35 |
| ttx | Re: PTG, we could set up an etherpad, although the content will likely be pretty simple | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | My thinking there is that a 1 hour meeting every two weeks isn't going to be enough to fully discuss some of these things, and review comments are too pragmatic to allow free thought. | 20:36 |
| SpamapS | harlowja: Funny, I'd have put Neutron in the "things only private clouds would want" category. :) | 20:36 |
| ttx | SpamapS: could do some ad-hoc meetings for specific active topics | 20:36 |
| cdent | I agree that more email discussion would be grand, but there seem to be forces working against that | 20:36 |
| harlowja | SpamapS maybe it goes into the question of 'who would want this in private or public' | 20:36 |
| cdent | the lack of free thought email has been my number one complaint about the openstack community from when I started (and remained so) | 20:36 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:36 |
| ttx | SpamapS: I see the regular meeting as a checkpoint for progress, not where the work gets done so much | 20:37 |
| SpamapS | cdent: I believe the summits have contributed to that somewhat. | 20:37 |
| ttx | each group working on each active problem should schedule their own time on #openstack-architecture to make progress | 20:37 |
| ttx | I'll meet all day tomorrow with my 1.1-person team on base-services :) | 20:38 |
| SpamapS | ttx: Agreed, and that's a good idea, as a topic grows, we would definitely be served by saying "if you're working on this effort go to just this meeting" | 20:38 |
| harlowja | SpamapS cdent i can ask the "who would want the complexity of neutron on the ML" though i'm not sure it will be helpful, lol | 20:38 |
| harlowja | i don't mind getting flamed, lol | 20:38 |
| SpamapS | harlowja: no you SHOULD ask it | 20:38 |
| SpamapS | I actually think flames are part of the free thought | 20:38 |
| SpamapS | Neutron was conceived of a _long_ time ago. | 20:38 |
| SpamapS | With a different set of market forces. | 20:38 |
| cdent | harlowja: I think cloud like you have and want it is _much_ different from cloud how telcos want it? | 20:38 |
| SpamapS | It's entirely possible nobody will stand up and say they love it. | 20:39 |
| cdent | "I actually think flames are part of the free thought" <- /me saves that for later | 20:39 |
| harlowja | fair nuff | 20:39 |
| harlowja | i shall put on my flame suit and send something, lol | 20:39 |
| clarkb | fwiw infra has seen a lot of resistsance around the idea that compute instances should just get IPs and talk to the internet | 20:39 |
| SpamapS | clarkb: well, that's like, the extreme conservative stance | 20:40 |
| clarkb | so there are definitely people out there that want to micromanage every little networking detail, hopefully they chime in should you raise the question | 20:40 |
| SpamapS | Well I think most will be in that NFV space. | 20:40 |
| clarkb | no | 20:41 |
| clarkb | thats my point | 20:41 |
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| clarkb | infra isn't trying to do anything NFV we just want compute hosts with networking | 20:41 |
| clarkb | and that is suprisingly difficult to accomplish | 20:41 |
| harlowja | ya infra is like a good example imho | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | Right, I mean, most who want to micro-manage their L2's will be in NFV. | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | As in "not the kind of thing infra does at all" | 20:41 |
| clarkb | SpamapS: right, but when we go to a cloud interested in contributing we say this is what we want l3 that works | 20:41 |
| clarkb | they run away screaming half the time | 20:42 |
| clarkb | because what they want to give are managed l2s with little holes punched | 20:42 |
| clarkb | and we see that often outside of nfv | 20:42 |
| clarkb | (just trying to point out its not an nfv specific thing) | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | Yeah, enterprises are probably equally weird for equally confusing compliance reasons. :-P | 20:43 |
| clarkb | and hopefully they will talk about it publicly if asked | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | I also think Neutron isn't actually that complex, ml2 just conflates with Neutron and you get a double whammy of moderate complexity. | 20:43 |
| harlowja | ya, i guess i just don't understand who would want to manage there own networks, there own subnets, there own ports ... | 20:44 |
| SpamapS | their | 20:44 |
| SpamapS | theirrrrrr | 20:44 |
| SpamapS | sorry | 20:44 |
| harlowja | ther | 20:44 |
| SpamapS | twitch | 20:44 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:44 |
| SpamapS | thur? ;) | 20:44 |
| ttx | le theire | 20:44 |
| harlowja | thar | 20:44 |
| ttx | le lol | 20:45 |
| SpamapS | I think most of it boils down to legacy methods of isolation. | 20:45 |
| harlowja | i mean, idk, maybe i'm just not normal person and most normal people want to manage all that, lol | 20:45 |
| SpamapS | By making the chatter between two things isolated at L2, they can believe that the traffic is "safe". | 20:46 |
| SpamapS | It's the soft-squishy-core of security model, but it has some merit over other legacy methods. | 20:46 |
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| SpamapS | harlowja: well think about pre-cloud architecture of apps. | 20:47 |
| ttx | I think it's a bit of compromise with legacy networking teams. | 20:47 |
| ttx | "You can do cloud but I want l2 isolation" | 20:47 |
| ttx | or $feature | 20:47 |
| SpamapS | It was pretty common to have a public IPv4 on your load balancers, a separate L2 for frontend app servers, and yet another separate L2 for database servers and file storage. | 20:47 |
| harlowja | SpamapS do i have to think pre-cloud, lol | 20:47 |
| SpamapS | so while we know you should secure all of those end-to-end, folks forklifting their apps out of datacenters onto cloud don't necessarily want to do both at the same time. | 20:48 |
| harlowja | so should we start to advocate for all those things that really modernize peoples clouds ? | 20:49 |
| SpamapS | (which is why I see it as a primarily private cloud thing, because public clouds can be a little more pushy and homogenous) | 20:49 |
| harlowja | and start to say ya this project will help u get there, but reallyyyy its a stop-gap | 20:49 |
| harlowja | and ...?? is the better way going forward | 20:49 |
| SpamapS | harlowja: no, I think we should just accept Neutron and make it better. | 20:49 |
| harlowja | but why not push for `secure all of those end-to-end` (for example) | 20:50 |
| SpamapS | and in 10 years when everybody has clouded everything, we can finally factor out L2 isolation. | 20:50 |
| SpamapS | the point is the cloud won't help you do that | 20:50 |
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| SpamapS | You have an address, and it's reachable, and you shouldn't trust the source address alone of anything that reaches you. You should demand cryptographic proof. | 20:51 |
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| SpamapS | and usually that's happening up in layer 7.. or _sometimes_ at layer 3. | 20:52 |
| SpamapS | anyway | 20:52 |
| SpamapS | fun topic | 20:52 |
| SpamapS | harlowja: worth a ML thread for sure | 20:52 |
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| harlowja | :-p | 20:52 |
| SpamapS | if you so desire | 20:52 |
| harlowja | 22.2% desire | 20:53 |
| cdent | it would be fun to watch if nothing else | 20:53 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:53 |
| cdent | I'll give you a dollar if you do it | 20:53 |
| SpamapS | just to re-state ttx's point: Tuesday a the PTG is Arch-WG day.. please come join us for the fu-n. ;) | 20:53 |
| harlowja | i aim to please cdent | 20:53 |
| SpamapS | a dollar | 20:53 |
| SpamapS | dooooo it | 20:53 |
| harlowja | oh man | 20:53 |
| SpamapS | you can get a drink with that in ATL | 20:53 |
| harlowja | peer pressure | 20:53 |
| SpamapS | Ok, see you all back here in two weeks | 20:53 |
| SpamapS | #endmeeting | 20:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 12 20:53:54 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2017/arch_wg.2017-01-12-20.00.html | 20:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2017/arch_wg.2017-01-12-20.00.txt | 20:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2017/arch_wg.2017-01-12-20.00.log.html | 20:53 |
| cdent | that was fun | 20:54 |
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| harlowja | :-p | 20:54 |
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| harlowja | u want to send the email? | 20:54 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:54 |
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| harlowja | why everyone go silent on me | 20:54 |
| harlowja | lol | 20:55 |
| cdent | harlowja: I can't send the email, I have to go make a dollar to pay you | 20:55 |
| harlowja | cdent good point, don't want to keep u away from the coal mines | 20:56 |
| cdent | you're very generous | 20:56 |
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| loquacities | about ready to kick off the docs meeting | 20:58 |
| lbragstad | loquacities o/ | 20:58 |
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| loquacities | heya! | 20:58 |
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| loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 12 21:00:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 21:00 |
| loquacities | hi everyone! | 21:00 |
| AJaeger | o/ | 21:00 |
| darrenc | hi! | 21:00 |
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| loquacities | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 21:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:01 | |
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| jrobinson | Hello o/ | 21:01 |
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| loquacities | so, there's a couple here for me that i haven't done :S | 21:01 |
| loquacities | loquacities to follow up on both specs in the new year on the mailing list | 21:01 |
| loquacities | ^^ i will do that today | 21:01 |
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| ianychoi | hi :) | 21:01 |
| loquacities | iphutch to chase up the security speciality team to discuss future of guide (with asettle and loquacities) | 21:02 |
| loquacities | is iphutch or asettle here? | 21:02 |
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| iphutch | Hello! | 21:02 |
| loquacities | oh hi! | 21:02 |
| bmoss | greetings | 21:02 |
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| skelso | Greetings | 21:02 |
| loquacities | wow, full house :) | 21:02 |
| iphutch | Followed up with sicarie (are you here?) | 21:03 |
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| loquacities | i don't think he is | 21:03 |
| iphutch | and it looks like the security guide is hitting bumps in the road nested around finding sees for the projects that need most updating: neutron and nova | 21:03 |
| iphutch | * SMEs | 21:04 |
| loquacities | ah, right | 21:04 |
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| loquacities | i assume you've started with the cross-project liaisons for those projects? | 21:04 |
| annegentle | iphutch that could change as the release dates scurry along | 21:04 |
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| annegentle | iphutch might be a timing thing as much as a finding thing | 21:04 |
| loquacities | that's a good point, too | 21:05 |
| iphutch | Best efforts as of right now is looking at code within those projects and trying to figure out what their sec. best practices are but it is a big ask in terms of availability | 21:05 |
| annegentle | loquacities it's a hunch anyway | 21:05 |
| iphutch | gotcha | 21:05 |
| loquacities | and, finally, it's me again: | 21:05 |
| loquacities | loquacities to ping Richard Jones about cinder commands in horizon | 21:05 |
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| loquacities | i will also do that today | 21:05 |
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| loquacities | #topic Specs in review | 21:06 |
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| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 21:06 |
| loquacities | it's still just that use case form | 21:06 |
| loquacities | can we abandon this now? | 21:06 |
| loquacities | AJaeger? | 21:06 |
| loquacities | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391786/ | 21:06 |
| * AJaeger checks | 21:07 | |
| AJaeger | yeah... | 21:07 |
| AJaeger | shall I? | 21:07 |
| loquacities | done :) | 21:08 |
| loquacities | let's move on to speciality teams | 21:08 |
| loquacities | #topic Speciality teams reports: | 21:08 |
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| loquacities | API: Anne Gentle | 21:08 |
| loquacities | annegentle: ? | 21:08 |
| annegentle | So hopefully you saw on the ML that I'm working on retiring fairy-slipper | 21:09 |
| annegentle | It was a good tool, served its purpose, and can now traipse into the sunset. | 21:09 |
| loquacities | yay! | 21:09 |
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| annegentle | #info Retiring fairy-slipper | 21:09 |
| annegentle | And thanks to AJaeger and stevemar for the help with the patches | 21:10 |
| annegentle | It's not done yet, but patches are in place. | 21:10 |
| annegentle | Also in API land, be sure to follow the service catalog naming conventions work going on in the API WG | 21:11 |
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| AJaeger | annegentle: go ahead and merge ;) | 21:11 |
| annegentle | AJaeger heh. don't have +2 everywhere | 21:11 |
| annegentle | And there's also a new ec2 api reference: http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/ec2-api/ | 21:12 |
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| annegentle | Mostly describes the limitations | 21:12 |
| annegentle | I think that's it. Any questions for API landia? | 21:12 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: you have +2 in fairy-slipper - and a few others as well: https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/1240,members | 21:12 |
| loquacities | cool, thanks annegentle | 21:13 |
| loquacities | Configuration Reference and CLI Reference: Tomoyuki Kato | 21:13 |
| loquacities | i don't think katomo is here, this is what he gave me on email: | 21:13 |
| loquacities | Config Reference: Updated a few plug-ins content. | 21:13 |
| loquacities | CLI reference: UPdated a few command reference. Unsupport Block Storage API v1 and Image API v1 from the reference. | 21:13 |
| loquacities | High Availability Guide: Andrew Beekhof | 21:14 |
| loquacities | anyone have updates on the HA Guide? | 21:14 |
| loquacities | i'll take that as a no | 21:15 |
| annegentle | does Andrew have an IRC nick? | 21:15 |
| loquacities | annegentle: i'm not certain i've ever seen him on IRC | 21:15 |
| loquacities | Hypervisor Tuning Guide: Joe Topjian | 21:15 |
| loquacities | i haven't heard from joe in a while, i should probably ping him | 21:15 |
| annegentle | kk | 21:15 |
| loquacities | #action loquacities to ping joe topjian re: hypervisor tuning guide | 21:15 |
| loquacities | Installation guides: Lana Brindley | 21:16 |
| loquacities | obviously, i've been on holiday, so no real update from me. however, we'll need to start testing for ocata RSN | 21:16 |
| lbragstad | ++ | 21:16 |
| loquacities | Networking Guide: John Davidge | 21:16 |
| loquacities | anyone with updates from the networking guide? | 21:17 |
| loquacities | ok, moving on | 21:18 |
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| loquacities | Operations and Architecture Design guides: Shilla Saebi | 21:18 |
| loquacities | darrenc: can you fill us in? | 21:18 |
| darrenc | sure thing | 21:18 |
| darrenc | Nothing much to report. Ben Silverman has spent some time refining the Compute content in the Arch Guide draft. Thanks Ben! | 21:18 |
| darrenc | We are also looking for more SMEs to help with the Arch Guide. So if you're interested, contact asettle or me :) | 21:18 |
| loquacities | cool | 21:18 |
| darrenc | I think that's it | 21:19 |
| loquacities | thanks :) | 21:19 |
| loquacities | Security Guide: Nathaniel Dillon | 21:19 |
| darrenc | np | 21:19 |
| loquacities | we know sicarie isn't here | 21:19 |
| loquacities | anyone else with security guide updates? | 21:19 |
| iphutch | Just what I stated earlier | 21:20 |
| loquacities | cool | 21:20 |
| loquacities | Training Guides: Matjaz Pancur | 21:20 |
| loquacities | i haven't heard from matjaz in a little while | 21:20 |
| loquacities | any training guides people here? | 21:20 |
| loquacities | ok, let's move on | 21:21 |
| loquacities | Training labs: Pranav Salunke, Roger Luethi | 21:21 |
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| loquacities | dguitarbite? | 21:22 |
| loquacities | nope | 21:22 |
| loquacities | i can say that this patch merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/412405/ | 21:22 |
| loquacities | i'm not sure it's ready to actually use yet, but there it is | 21:22 |
| loquacities | and, finally ... | 21:22 |
| loquacities | User guides: Joseph Robinson | 21:22 |
| AJaeger | they're working now together on the parser and CI | 21:22 |
| annegentle | neato | 21:23 |
| loquacities | AJaeger: oh good! thanks :) | 21:23 |
| loquacities | jrobinson? | 21:23 |
| jrobinson | Hi, So the command conversions have happened at a good pace | 21:23 |
| annegentle | jrobinson +1 yeah | 21:24 |
| loquacities | :) | 21:24 |
| jrobinson | The User Guide appear to be mostly complete, with the condition that the trove and manila teams do not have openstack functionality based on the trove and manila commands yet. | 21:24 |
| loquacities | great! | 21:24 |
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| jrobinson | The admin guide I have started checking through the files. I suspect there is more to convert, but I'm feeling confident it will be ready. | 21:24 |
| jrobinson | #action jrobinson to follow up manila and trove command status | 21:25 |
| loquacities | awesome, thanks jrobinson | 21:25 |
| jrobinson | One file has commands that added that were not ready yet however, | 21:25 |
| loquacities | is there anything else on speciality teams before we move on? | 21:25 |
| jrobinson | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1649611 | 21:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1649611 in openstack-manuals "Unimpletemed --fixed-ad functionality mentioned in Manage IP addresses in End User Guide" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Joseph Robinson (joseph-r-email) | 21:25 |
| jrobinson | I'm going to patch this today. | 21:25 |
| loquacities | ah, ok | 21:25 |
| loquacities | np | 21:25 |
| jrobinson | thanks again to Alex for the link. | 21:26 |
| jrobinson | I think that's all for now :) | 21:26 |
| loquacities | cool, thanks jrobinson | 21:26 |
| loquacities | is there anything else on speciality teams before we move on? | 21:26 |
| jrobinson | Thanks again | 21:26 |
| loquacities | #topic Countdown to release: | 21:27 |
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| loquacities | #info 40 days | 21:27 |
| loquacities | i'm at a conference next week, but will begin kicking off all the release tasks | 21:27 |
| loquacities | i knew this release would come around fast, but i still wasn't quite ready ;) | 21:27 |
| loquacities | so, start thinking about helping out with general updates, install guide testing, etc | 21:28 |
| loquacities | #topic PTG Atlanta Feb 20-24 2017 | 21:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG Atlanta Feb 20-24 2017 (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:28 | |
| loquacities | #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg Event info | 21:28 |
| loquacities | #link https://pikeptg.eventbrite.com/ Tickets | 21:28 |
| loquacities | Docs is on Monday/Tuesday | 21:28 |
| loquacities | we'll be rebranding as Docs/i18n | 21:28 |
| annegentle | nice | 21:29 |
| loquacities | so translators are welcome, as well as docs people | 21:29 |
| ianychoi | Yey~ :) | 21:29 |
| AJaeger | as long as we don't write docs in German or Japanese ;) | 21:29 |
| annegentle | AJaeger hee | 21:29 |
| ianychoi | haha | 21:29 |
| loquacities | ianychoi: i haven't checked, has that change gone through? | 21:29 |
| ianychoi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Pike/Etherpads | 21:29 |
| loquacities | AJaeger: nobody wants to read anything i've written in something other than english, let me tell you ;) | 21:29 |
| loquacities | although australian could be considered a language other than english sometimes ;) | 21:30 |
| ianychoi | The change was committed here first and I have not checked main page yet (but will be changed within a few days) | 21:30 |
| loquacities | awesome! thanks ianychoi :) | 21:30 |
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| ianychoi | We need to start to gather discussion topics on Etherpad | 21:31 |
| loquacities | just a reminder, too, i won't be planning the PTG events, that will up to our new PTL | 21:31 |
| loquacities | yes, i'll ping asettle and katomo and get that rolling | 21:31 |
| loquacities | #topic Boston Summit | 21:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Boston Summit (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 21:31 | |
| loquacities | #info CFP is now open #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/call-for-presentations/ | 21:31 |
| ianychoi | loquacities, +1 :) | 21:31 |
| loquacities | #topic Voting | 21:32 |
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| loquacities | #info PTL nominations open week of 23 Jan. | 21:32 |
| loquacities | #info PTL Voting in first week of Feb. | 21:32 |
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| loquacities | #info Foundation voting is still open. | 21:32 |
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| loquacities | and katomo is up for foundation board, so make sure you go vote | 21:33 |
| loquacities | #topic Open discussion | 21:33 |
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| loquacities | anything else? | 21:33 |
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| AJaeger | docs.o.o is served by OpenStack CI and looks fine IMHO | 21:34 |
| loquacities | oh! thanks for reminding me :) | 21:34 |
| annegentle | nice work AJaeger and infra team! | 21:34 |
| loquacities | yes, it looks good to me :D | 21:34 |
| AJaeger | OpenStack infra I mean... | 21:34 |
| annegentle | AJaeger do you need any more work done on the links? | 21:34 |
| loquacities | i was impressed how quickly that all happened | 21:34 |
| AJaeger | I have a larger patch up in preparation for Sphinx 1.5 - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419053/ - reviews are welcome | 21:34 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger or have you logged bugs against projects? | 21:35 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: see my last email to the docs mailing list. Anybody going through that and filing bugs would be cool | 21:35 |
| annegentle | AJaeger yeah, saw the note, wasn't sure of next steps | 21:35 |
| annegentle | AJaeger to me, seems like bug logging would be a good next step | 21:35 |
| AJaeger | annegentle: only filed bugs against ansible to keep asettle busy ;) They were number 1 or 2 with dead links | 21:35 |
| annegentle | AJaeger hee | 21:35 |
| loquacities | lol | 21:35 |
| annegentle | AJaeger she "wins!" | 21:35 |
| AJaeger | so, if anybody wants to report bugs: Please do. | 21:36 |
| annegentle | AJaeger what was the count on that JSON file? | 21:36 |
| AJaeger | 160 lines | 21:36 |
| annegentle | I'll take the projects that start with N | 21:36 |
| annegentle | #info All: log bugs for the broken links in the JSON file AJaeger sent to the ML | 21:36 |
| annegentle | #action annegentle to log broken links bugs for projects that start with n | 21:37 |
| annegentle | #info ansible bug links already logged | 21:37 |
| ianychoi | For buliding PDFs, I am seeing some latex_elements option in conf.py to apply styles, especially using 'presemble'. | 21:38 |
| ianychoi | Using 'presemble' ( http://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/1.5.1/latex.html ) looks nice. | 21:38 |
| ianychoi | I will try to speed up to apply a theme within O cycle. | 21:38 |
| lbragstad | loquacities do you have a target date when you need feedback from teams on Ocata install process? | 21:38 |
| loquacities | we'll probably be freezing the guides in the next couple of weeks | 21:39 |
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| loquacities | or do you mean for testing? | 21:39 |
| loquacities | testing will run right up until we publish | 21:39 |
| lbragstad | for testing to make sure project guides accurately reflect changes in Ocata | 21:39 |
| lbragstad | ok | 21:39 |
| lbragstad | cool | 21:39 |
| loquacities | keep an eye on the docs ML for updates | 21:39 |
| lbragstad | will do - thanks! | 21:40 |
| loquacities | np | 21:40 |
| AJaeger | right now we have no links to the pdfs - or have we now? | 21:40 |
| annegentle | AJaeger not that I've seen, other than in the www-index, yah? | 21:40 |
| AJaeger | exactly - but before we do that, we should review that we like the style. | 21:40 |
| AJaeger | style of the PDF I mean | 21:41 |
| annegentle | AJaeger yeah, I agree | 21:41 |
| annegentle | AJaeger and then a UX review of how users get to the PDFs | 21:41 |
| ianychoi | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/53/419053/7/check/gate-openstack-manuals-tox-doc-publish-checkbuild/ae3c2d8//publish-docs/ | 21:41 |
| annegentle | ianychoi though I can't recall if the spec mentions UX review :) only the PDF output review in the spec | 21:41 |
| annegentle | ianychoi so I might be jumping further than meant | 21:42 |
| AJaeger | you can download pdf like http://docs.openstack.org/ha-guide/HAGuide.pdf | 21:42 |
| AJaeger | oh, btw. fungi will soon get us https set up for docs.o.o and developer.o.o | 21:42 |
| loquacities | oh, cool | 21:42 |
| loquacities | actually, i need a web dev | 21:42 |
| loquacities | for the install guide landing page | 21:43 |
| loquacities | who should i talk to? | 21:43 |
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| ianychoi | annegentle, UX review is so important! But.. I need to do more study on applying themes with Sphinx + Latex | 21:43 |
| annegentle | fungi yay yay yay omg yay | 21:43 |
| loquacities | lol | 21:43 |
| annegentle | ianychoi how would you like input on the PDF output? (oh I crack myself up) | 21:43 |
| loquacities | annegentle: is my daughter using your keyboard? ;) | 21:43 |
| fungi | yep, just need to get around to issuing the cert | 21:44 |
| fungi | i have a bunch i need to renew in the coming week and will lump that one in with them | 21:44 |
| annegentle | fungi Thanks, sweet. | 21:44 |
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| AJaeger | fungi, no pressure ;) thanks | 21:44 |
| fungi | my pleasure, as always | 21:44 |
| ianychoi | annegentle, haha :) Then it might be better for me to open Etherpad for review items | 21:45 |
| annegentle | ianychoi these are minor, minor | 21:45 |
| ianychoi | annegentle, but sometimes significant with minor :) | 21:46 |
| annegentle | ianychoi ha you're preaching to the choir | 21:46 |
| ianychoi | annegentle, huk... :) | 21:46 |
| * AJaeger needs to leave now and waves good-bye | 21:47 | |
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| ianychoi | Good night | 21:47 |
| annegentle | AJaeger cya! | 21:47 |
| loquacities | cya AJaeger o/ | 21:47 |
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| loquacities | looks like we might be done here? | 21:47 |
| AJaeger | just because I sign off? ;) | 21:47 |
| annegentle | AJaeger ha ha | 21:48 |
| annegentle | AJaeger ye | 21:48 |
| annegentle | AJaeger yes | 21:48 |
| loquacities | you're the life of the party, AJaeger! | 21:48 |
| ianychoi | Haha | 21:48 |
| loquacities | ok, thanks everyone | 21:48 |
| loquacities | o/ | 21:48 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 21:48 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 21:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:48 | |
| ianychoi | Thanks all! | 21:48 |
| iphutch | o/ | 21:48 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 12 21:48:41 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-01-12-21.00.html | 21:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-01-12-21.00.txt | 21:48 |
| jrobinson | Thanks all o/ | 21:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-01-12-21.00.log.html | 21:48 |
| darrenc | o/ | 21:48 |
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