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| number80 | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 26 13:00:41 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is number80. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rpm_packaging)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rpm_packaging' | 13:00 |
| IgorYozhikov | o/ | 13:00 |
| number80 | #startmeeting rpm_packaging | 13:00 |
| openstack | number80: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 13:00 |
| number80 | damn | 13:00 |
| number80 | ping toabctl, dirk, apevec, aplanas, IgorYozhikov, jpena, jruzicka, number80, kaslcrof | 13:00 |
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| jpena | o/ | 13:01 |
| number80 | #chair IgorYozhikov jpena dirk | 13:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: IgorYozhikov dirk jpena number80 | 13:01 |
| number80 | agenda is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:01 |
| IgorYozhikov | suggesting to fill up agenda @ ^^^^^ | 13:01 |
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| IgorYozhikov | number80, if there are no topics, let's review initial nova https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425673/ | 13:05 |
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| IgorYozhikov | 2 deps updte - rfc & bandit is on the way and in a couple of hours will be published on MOS CI side | 13:06 |
| number80 | yep | 13:06 |
| number80 | I have to fix cassandra-driver build | 13:07 |
| IgorYozhikov | do we have some1 from SUSE side today? | 13:07 |
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| number80 | RHEL7 is starting to show its age ... | 13:07 |
| jpena | number80: we also need a higher python-kafka version, see https://review.openstack.org/422009 | 13:07 |
| number80 | jpena: kafka is a kafkaian build :) | 13:08 |
| number80 | will do | 13:08 |
| jpena | lol | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | :) | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok nova fails on all CIs | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | RDO - Error: No Package found for python-bandit | 13:08 |
| IgorYozhikov | I just build 1.4.0 for MOS & now package is on the way to our repos | 13:09 |
| number80 | we should have bandit ... | 13:09 |
| jpena | IgorYozhikov: the name is bandit in RDO, we need a pymod2pkg update | 13:09 |
| IgorYozhikov | yep | 13:09 |
| * jpena creates a quick change | 13:09 | |
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| IgorYozhikov | also I want to ask your opinion about %check section | 13:11 |
| IgorYozhikov | I faced issues while unit tests run related to vif... and decided to exclude all network related tests for nova | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | so, your opinion here will be appreciated | 13:12 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'm speaking about : %check | 13:13 |
| IgorYozhikov | export OS_TEST_PATH=./nova/tests/unit | 13:13 |
| IgorYozhikov | export PYTHONPATH=. | 13:13 |
| IgorYozhikov | #python setup.py testr | 13:13 |
| IgorYozhikov | testr init | 13:13 |
| IgorYozhikov | testr list-tests | grep -vE '(vif|OVS|Network)' > list | 13:13 |
| IgorYozhikov | testr run --load-list=list | 13:13 |
| IgorYozhikov | list of excluded tests - http://paste.openstack.org/show/596494/ | 13:13 |
| number80 | ouch | 13:14 |
| number80 | that's a ong lit | 13:14 |
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| IgorYozhikov | number80, results I've got :Ran 13831 tests in 1549.714s | 13:16 |
| IgorYozhikov | PASSED (id=0, skips=52) | 13:16 |
| IgorYozhikov | and this is with excluded net tests | 13:16 |
| jpena | i may have to do something similar with neutron, had 10 tests failing | 13:17 |
| number80 | IgorYozhikov: I suggested that generated list is put in separate file and used as a %SOURCEX | 13:18 |
| number80 | s/used/included/ | 13:18 |
| number80 | it'd be simpler and won't bloat too much spec file | 13:19 |
| IgorYozhikov | number80, r u suggesting to have a separate tests.list file? | 13:19 |
| number80 | yes | 13:19 |
| IgorYozhikov | and how to be in case if nova will add or reduce amount of tests in further release? | 13:20 |
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| number80 | I mean for exclude tests | 13:20 |
| IgorYozhikov | didn't get your point :( | 13:20 |
| number80 | I mean we should just use a blacklist rather than a whitelist for tests | 13:21 |
| IgorYozhikov | why we need to have a list with excluded tests? | 13:21 |
| IgorYozhikov | I use grep -v for that | 13:21 |
| * number80 not sure | 13:21 | |
| IgorYozhikov | or we need to elaborate of a particular set of blacklisted tests? | 13:22 |
| number80 | well, in case of nova, you excluded network related tests (which is ok for building in a networkless chroot) | 13:22 |
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| number80 | so let's just state explicitly tests that we don't want to run, this way, if nova add new tests they will run | 13:23 |
| number80 | *by default | 13:23 |
| IgorYozhikov | ok, I'l try to add tests.blacklist file as SOURCEx | 13:23 |
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| dirk | hi | 13:24 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, hello :) | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | we are discussing nova | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | also found issue in pymod2pkg with bandit | 13:25 |
| IgorYozhikov | thanx to jpena , fix is on the way - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425678/1 | 13:26 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, could you please also review - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425673/ | 13:26 |
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| IgorYozhikov | I understand that this commit is big, but this is nova... | 13:27 |
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| * dirk fixes suse ci for nova | 13:27 | |
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| IgorYozhikov | anything else related to nova colleagues? | 13:28 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: why do you depend on bandit anyway? that looks wrong | 13:29 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, according to test-requirements | 13:30 |
| dirk | sure, but its not used by tests | 13:31 |
| IgorYozhikov | I can try to run tests without it | 13:31 |
| dirk | its a code checker. only run on the pep8 target, which we don't run | 13:31 |
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| dirk | suse ci fixed | 13:31 |
| IgorYozhikov | great, I'm rebuilding bandit in MOS side with new name | 13:32 |
| IgorYozhikov | s/in/on/ | 13:32 |
| IgorYozhikov | also number80 suggested to create so called tests.blacklist file | 13:33 |
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| IgorYozhikov | which will include all network related tests | 13:33 |
| IgorYozhikov | I prepared a list - http://paste.openstack.org/show/596494/ | 13:33 |
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| number80 | it's simpler to blacklist tests that we don't want to run than whitelisting | 13:33 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, any thought about ^^^ | 13:36 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: thanks.. no concrete thought.. In my experience the tests might not be runnable because they depend on things that are different in the sdist tarballs | 13:36 |
| dirk | suse used to run unit tests in packaging for those big projects but it was such a pain for so little gain that we gave up on it | 13:37 |
| dirk | especially as it was extraordinarily difficult to get fixes upstrema that were not reproducible in a git checkout | 13:37 |
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| dirk | blacklisting broken stuff is an acceptable approach for me | 13:38 |
| dirk | as is not running tests for nova | 13:38 |
| dirk | same like not running tests is.. | 13:38 |
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| number80 | well, we should try running tests, and depending the pain, just drop them | 13:39 |
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| number80 | make it a SHOULD rather than a MUST | 13:39 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, I can spend some time on debugging of failed tests, but not sure that nova folks will sit near me during this exercise :( | 13:40 |
| IgorYozhikov | that's why I'm exclude all related to vif & net | 13:40 |
| dirk | IgorYozhikov: yeah, and there are tests that depend on network, and in the suse ci there is no network.. so.. | 13:40 |
| IgorYozhikov | does it means that current suggested approach for nova looks fine for all(SUSE/RH/MOS)? | 13:42 |
| IgorYozhikov | unit tests without net stuff | 13:42 |
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| dirk | yes sure | 13:43 |
| IgorYozhikov | this will include 13.8k tests | 13:43 |
| IgorYozhikov | #agreed on excluding network tests from unit test if possible | 13:43 |
| IgorYozhikov | next topic? | 13:44 |
| jpena | yes, let's move on | 13:45 |
| IgorYozhikov | may be branching strategy? | 13:47 |
| IgorYozhikov | or reviews | 13:47 |
| number80 | yep | 13:47 |
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| dirk | branching strategy mgiht be a good one | 13:49 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, when is better time by your opinion. | 13:50 |
| IgorYozhikov | in mos we create branches after GA of whole OS(libs+clients+services) | 13:50 |
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| dirk | IgorYozhikov: I guess sooner the better | 13:52 |
| dirk | some projects already branched | 13:52 |
| number80 | let's branch this week | 13:52 |
| dirk | but we have an insane patch backlog | 13:52 |
| number80 | Yep | 13:53 |
| dirk | which got quite a bit moving today, but until this noon there was literally noone reviewing anything really :( | 13:53 |
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| dirk | so g-r freeze is today at 20:00 UTC | 13:53 |
| dirk | we could get stuff in and branch then | 13:53 |
| dirk | I take that we're liberal with adding specfiles to stable/ocata | 13:53 |
| dirk | (adding new specfiles..) | 13:53 |
| dirk | I can crank out a CI for stable/ocata today if wanted | 13:54 |
| dirk | its just a few minutes of work | 13:54 |
| dirk | if the other CI setups are more difficult then I'm fine with waiting a bit with branching | 13:54 |
| IgorYozhikov | dirk, in MOS we could switch CI right after OS GA | 13:54 |
| dirk | or we leave suse ci as the only voting ci for stable/ocata until the others are there as well.. | 13:54 |
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| number80 | For us, it's quite similar, some quick setup is needed | 13:55 |
| IgorYozhikov | I'll talk to our infra team & get back with results | 13:55 |
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| IgorYozhikov | good | 13:56 |
| * dirk just created C:O:U:O :) | 13:56 | |
| dirk | so ci should be there in a min | 13:56 |
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| number80 | Yep | 13:58 |
| number80 | well, we're reaching the hour | 13:58 |
| number80 | anything else before we close the meeting? | 13:59 |
| IgorYozhikov | nope | 13:59 |
| number80 | ok, thanks for attending and see you on #openstack-rpm-packaging | 13:59 |
| number80 | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 26 13:59:50 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-01-26-13.00.html | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-01-26-13.00.txt | 13:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rpm_packaging/2017/rpm_packaging.2017-01-26-13.00.log.html | 13:59 |
| IgorYozhikov | yep, c u | 13:59 |
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| slashme | #startmeeting freezer | 14:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 26 14:10:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slashme. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: freezer)" | 14:10 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' | 14:10 |
| slashme | Hello everyone :-) | 14:10 |
| raliev | hey slashme :) | 14:10 |
| slashme | As usual, the agenda and meeting notes are available here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:11 |
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| slashme | Well, it seems like today is pretty calm ;) | 14:15 |
| slashme | #topic releases | 14:15 |
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| slashme | I released Freezer components v4.0.0b3 | 14:16 |
| slashme | As well as python-freezerclient v1.2.0 | 14:16 |
| slashme | python-freezerclient is now freezed until the next cycle. | 14:17 |
| slashme | For freezer components, we enter feature freezer for a week. We will only merge urgent patch and bug-fixes. | 14:17 |
| slashme | Release Candidate 1 will happen next thursday. | 14:18 |
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| raliev | it's very good that we merged rsync functionality before freeze :) | 14:19 |
| slashme | That was my goal :) | 14:20 |
| raliev | yep, I read your PTL proposals for previous cycle :) | 14:20 |
| slashme | I'm not proposing, szaher is. | 14:21 |
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| raliev | I know, I mean your plan for newton cycle | 14:22 |
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| slashme | Ohh | 14:25 |
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| slashme | #topic Core Team Update | 14:26 |
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| slashme | As discussed last week, I'd like to propose an update of the core team. I propose we remove some inactive members: Fabrizio Vanni and Jonas Pfannschmidt. I would also like to promote Ruslan Aliev to core. | 14:27 |
| slashme | I just sent the email to the OpenStack-dev mailing list | 14:27 |
| slashme | Please respond with your +1 | 14:28 |
| raliev | ok, thank you slashme :) I received this mail | 14:29 |
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| raliev | there is a wrong first link to stackalytics profile | 14:29 |
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| raliev | i.e. gerrit, the owner is yang Yapeng :) | 14:32 |
| slashme | Updated | 14:32 |
| slashme | Copy-paste error | 14:32 |
| slashme | #topic Keystone middleware update error | 14:33 |
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| slashme | The last keystone middleware update is causing error in Freezer-api. | 14:33 |
| slashme | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/412129/1 | 14:33 |
| slashme | Idealy I's like to have this one fixed before the RC next week. | 14:33 |
| raliev | there is need to find the cause | 14:35 |
| slashme | It seems to be an issue because we are not providing the scope | 14:36 |
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| raliev | yep, I see | 14:37 |
| raliev | Invalid Scope None for KeystoneV2AuthProvider | 14:37 |
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| dstepanenko | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1654202 | 14:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1654202 in Ironic "All tempest tests fail with KeystoneV2AuthProvider" [Critical,Fix released] - Assigned to Jim Rollenhagen (jim-rollenhagen) | 14:43 |
| dstepanenko | there was similiar bug in ironic | 14:44 |
| slashme | Ohh | 14:44 |
| slashme | Interesting | 14:44 |
| raliev | there is need to remove service=None | 14:45 |
| raliev | as I see in ironic patch | 14:45 |
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| slashme | Seems simple enough. | 14:48 |
| raliev | that should be smth like that class Manager(clients.Manager): | 14:48 |
| raliev | def __init__(self, credentials=None, service=None): | 14:48 |
| raliev | super(Manager, self).__init__(credentials) | 14:48 |
| raliev | without service=None | 14:48 |
| raliev | I'll check it right now on my local env | 14:49 |
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| raliev | yep, everything works ok with this changes | 14:54 |
| raliev | ====== | 14:54 |
| raliev | Totals | 14:54 |
| raliev | ====== | 14:54 |
| raliev | Ran: 33 tests in 42.0000 sec. | 14:54 |
| raliev | - Passed: 33 | 14:54 |
| raliev | - Skipped: 0 | 14:54 |
| raliev | - Expected Fail: 0 | 14:54 |
| raliev | - Unexpected Success: 0 | 14:54 |
| raliev | - Failed: 0 | 14:54 |
| raliev | I'll create a patchset | 14:55 |
| slashme | Great :) | 14:55 |
| slashme | Thx a lot raliev | 14:55 |
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| slashme | I guess that's it for today. | 14:57 |
| slashme | I updated the list of patches waiting for review here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings | 14:57 |
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| slashme | To the cores, let's try to merge all the small bug-fixes before next thursday so I can include them in the RC. | 14:57 |
| slashme | Thanks for joining | 14:57 |
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| slashme | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 26 14:58:02 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-01-26-14.10.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/freezer/2017/freezer.2017-01-26-14.10.txt | 14:58 |
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| bswartz | #startmeeting manila | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 26 15:00:07 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'manila' | 15:00 |
| cknight | hi | 15:00 |
| bswartz | hello all | 15:00 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 15:00 |
| jprovazn | hi | 15:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 15:00 |
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| vponomaryov | hello | 15:00 |
| dustins | \o | 15:00 |
| bswartz | #topic announcements | 15:01 |
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| tommylikehu_ | hi | 15:01 |
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| vkmc | o/ | 15:01 |
| ganso | hello | 15:01 |
| vkmc | hey | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | the main announcement: TODAY is feature freeze | 15:01 |
| bswartz | I have a topic about this so I won't say any more | 15:01 |
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| bswartz | also the back-end of these release is only 4 weeks long | 15:02 |
| bswartz | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 15:02 |
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| bswartz | that means RC-1 next week, final RC in 3 weeks | 15:02 |
| Xyang2 | Hi | 15:02 |
| bswartz | the release will happen DURING the week of the PTG | 15:03 |
| tbarron | test, test, test | 15:03 |
| bswartz | it's not a lot of time to find and fix bugs | 15:03 |
| bswartz | much like the rest of ocata, not much time to do anything | 15:03 |
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| bswartz | so I'll be pushing tags this afternoon, and -2ing anything that misses the cut | 15:04 |
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| bswartz | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings | 15:04 |
| tbarron | when will pike open up? | 15:04 |
| vponomaryov | tbarron: you mean when branching will happen? | 15:04 |
| bswartz | tbarron: as always, RC1 is the branching point | 15:04 |
| tbarron | bswartz: +1 | 15:04 |
| bswartz | however again we will ask people to keep pike relatively quiet until final RC to avoid making backports harder | 15:05 |
| ganso | bswartz: so, as always, our target for bugs is RC1 | 15:05 |
| ganso | bswartz: right? | 15:05 |
| ganso | bswartz: *bugfixes | 15:05 |
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| vponomaryov | ganso: target for bugs is everything ) | 15:05 |
| tbarron | ganso: target for introducing bugs was feature freeze | 15:05 |
| bswartz | also worthy of note, the branch points for libraries (manila-ui, python-manilaclient) will be today's releases | 15:05 |
| * tbarron ducks | 15:05 | |
| ganso | tbarron: lol | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | onto the real business | 15:06 |
| bswartz | #topic Feature Freeze | 15:06 |
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| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ocata-code-review-focus | 15:06 |
| bswartz | so we've made excellent progress merging things, and the gate breakage has been manageable | 15:07 |
| bswartz | the big remaining item is IPv6 | 15:07 |
| gouthamr | said it too early ^ | 15:07 |
| bswartz | we've had a very difficult time testing this patch with all open source software | 15:07 |
| bswartz | IPv6 bugs are everywhere | 15:08 |
| bswartz | and ubuntu is about 3-4 years behind the master branch of nfs-utils | 15:08 |
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| bswartz | maybe even 5 years -- I haven't done the math | 15:09 |
| tommylikehu_ | so what we gonna do with this feature | 15:09 |
| bswartz | I've been the whole week hacking on IPv6 and last night I witness an actual nova VM mount and IPv6 share create by manila | 15:09 |
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| bswartz | wow bad grammar is bad | 15:10 |
| bswartz | you can tell I haven't slept enough.... | 15:10 |
| bswartz | I've spent the whole week hacking on IPv6 and last night I witnessed an actual nova VM mount and IPv6 share created by manila | 15:10 |
| tbarron | bswartz: nice | 15:10 |
| jprovazn | :) nice achievement | 15:10 |
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| tbarron | bswartz: is the nova instance on a "public" network? | 15:11 |
| bswartz | I'll leave it to vponomaryov and tbarron to offer opinions on how clear the code is | 15:11 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: in my case it was on a private network with an evil hack | 15:12 |
| tbarron | i've been focusing on the functional testing in the last few days and am not caught up entirely on the most recent patches | 15:12 |
| bswartz | eventually I'll solve the neutron-IPv6-routing problem | 15:12 |
| tbarron | vponomaryov had a lot of good review remarks recently ... | 15:12 |
| tommylikehu_ | tbarron: most of these are addressed | 15:12 |
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| tbarron | tommylikehu_: cool | 15:13 |
| vponomaryov | but I haven't had real chance to review changes after | 15:13 |
| bswartz | my priority was to (1) prove that the manila code works, and (2) to try to find a repeatable way to test the functionality | 15:13 |
| bswartz | we need to decide today if we want to go ahead and merge IPv6 into ocata or if it should wait until pike | 15:13 |
| tommylikehu_ | vponomaryov: thanks, the jenkins always give me -1 | 15:13 |
| tbarron | bswartz: we really don't have #2 yet unless the recipe is #1 clone bswartz and make him stay up late, #2 some trial and error | 15:13 |
| tbarron | bswartz: or did you write down a recipe? | 15:14 |
| bswartz | my concern is that testing the IPv6 paths is impossible without some serious hacking, related to the ubuntu nfs-utils issues I alluded to above | 15:14 |
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| bswartz | tbarron: oh I have a recipe, but it will make you vomit if you read it | 15:14 |
| tbarron | bswartz: is it automatable for CI? | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: actually we cab compile required version of nfs-utils in our image-elements | 15:15 |
| vponomaryov | s/cab/can | 15:15 |
| bswartz | tbarron: yes but I wouldn't recommend it | 15:15 |
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| bswartz | what we really need to do is to create a PPA containing an up-to-date nfs-utils for xenial | 15:16 |
| tommylikehu_ | vponomaryov: the manila-elements have not been tested for IPv6 | 15:16 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: that approach works for generic, but not LVM/ZFS | 15:16 |
| vponomaryov | tommylikehu_: it is question of only installing package of proper version | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: having description there how to build required package is ok | 15:17 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: any manual is ok | 15:17 |
| bswartz | so what I do is compile nfs-utils from source -- but that gives my the upstream bits not the ubuntu-flavored bits | 15:17 |
| tbarron | bswartz: there's also getting devstack and neutron set up right once you have the nfs-utils ppa | 15:17 |
| tommylikehu_ | vponomaryov: maybe there are other bugs existed in manila-elements | 15:17 |
| bswartz | tbarron: I assume those are solveable problems | 15:18 |
| tbarron | bswartz: but we don't have much time left in this release | 15:18 |
| bswartz | tbarron: this is true | 15:18 |
| bswartz | anyways there's another concern | 15:18 |
| * tbarron is just thinking things through ... | 15:18 | |
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| bswartz | these hacks we would have to use for testing would also be needed by anyone hoping to run the LVM driver in production (with ipv6) | 15:19 |
| bswartz | at least on ubuntu/debian -- maybe the experience on redhat would be more pleasant | 15:19 |
| tbarron | well, *that* bug doesn't seem to be there at least | 15:20 |
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| bswartz | so given the facts, it seems better to delay ipv6 support to pike | 15:20 |
| bswartz | but it would be shame to come this close and fail to get working code into ocata so at least vendors can get started on their IPv6 support | 15:20 |
| ganso | bswartz: we could merge it during the PTG, so we will have the whole pike release to adjust ourselves | 15:20 |
| bswartz | I don't want to lose the momentum we have on IPv6 | 15:21 |
| tbarron | bswartz: +1 | 15:21 |
| tommylikehu_ | +1 | 15:21 |
| bswartz | I've said before I regard the lack of IPv6 support as an embarrassment | 15:21 |
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| bswartz | so perhaps partially-working support is better than none at all | 15:21 |
| bswartz | as long as nothing breaks | 15:22 |
| bswartz | we could merge the bigs into ocata and continue the testing work into pike | 15:22 |
| bswartz | s/bigs/bits/ | 15:22 |
| tbarron | if we do this, how do we make it clear that it doesn't really work end-to-end yet, is just there for developers to work with? | 15:23 |
| bswartz | if we do that we'd have to accept that the test coverage in ocata would be poor until we backport something better from pike | 15:23 |
| bswartz | tbarron: oh yes the public communication would have to be that IPv6 is experimental | 15:23 |
| dustins | Then again, there is merit in taking the time to do it right, I'd hate to spend all of Pike unbreaking IPv6 | 15:24 |
| tbarron | but the access-allow apis are not experimental | 15:24 |
| bswartz | it could work end-to-end with a 3rd party driver | 15:24 |
| bswartz | tbarron: okay "experimental" has a specific meaning for us, and I don't mean that | 15:24 |
| tbarron | bswartz: k | 15:24 |
| bswartz | what I mean by experimental is "buggy" | 15:24 |
| tbarron | bswartz: and a 3rd party who wanted to make it work right with their driver would be welcome to do so (with CI coverage) | 15:24 |
| bswartz | although the bugs are not in manila per se | 15:25 |
| bswartz | we could publish blog posts/wikis/docs to work around the issues for people who really want to get the functionality | 15:25 |
| bswartz | dustins: I think we all agree with that | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: why it cannot be done with "master" (pike)? | 15:26 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: why you want see main bits in Ocata codebase? | 15:27 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: we can do that, but my worry is that if we delay the patch 3 weeks, then everyone will start working on other things and we will lose focus | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I cannot say it influences it | 15:27 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu has worked very hard to meet our deadlines and to address the issues as we've found them | 15:27 |
| vponomaryov | delay influences focus | 15:27 |
| dustins | Which is totally understandible, but with us being so close, why wouldn't we just push it over the top in early Pike | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | +1 for early Pike | 15:28 |
| bswartz | okay now is a good time to poll the room | 15:28 |
| dustins | Though I do acknowledge that it might incur a loss of focus, but it seems like momentum is on our side | 15:28 |
| vponomaryov | it can be TESTED with cherry-pick any time | 15:28 |
| bswartz | #startvote Which release should IPv6 support be merged in? Ocata, Pike | 15:29 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Which release should IPv6 support be merged in? Valid vote options are Ocata, Pike. | 15:29 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | it touches too many main parts of code to leave it briefly tested | 15:29 |
| dustins | #vote Pike | 15:29 |
| vponomaryov | #vote Pike | 15:29 |
| bswartz | Ocata means today and Pike means in 3-4 weeks | 15:29 |
| Yogi1 | #vote Pike | 15:30 |
| bswartz | I'm holding back my vote so as not to influence you all | 15:30 |
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| bswartz | c'mon guys don't be shy | 15:30 |
| tbarron | i'm too close to this one, too invested to be objective | 15:30 |
| vponomaryov | how many people do we have here? ) | 15:30 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu_: I'd like to see your vote | 15:31 |
| gouthamr | what does tommylikehu_ think? We have a genuine problem with testability in the gate.. | 15:31 |
| tommylikehu_ | only core reviewer? | 15:31 |
| bswartz | everyone can vote | 15:31 |
| bswartz | it's not binding | 15:31 |
| jprovazn | #vote Pike | 15:31 |
| bswartz | I just want to get opinions on the record | 15:31 |
| tommylikehu_ | I'd like to vote Ocata but I am ok with Pike | 15:31 |
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| bswartz | ganso, tbarron, cknight? | 15:32 |
| tbarron | ok | 15:32 |
| tbarron | #vote Pike | 15:32 |
| ganso | #vote Pike | 15:32 |
| xyang1 | #vote Pike | 15:32 |
| tbarron | tommylikehu_: i'll try to keep momentum with you ... | 15:32 |
| tommylikehu_ | thank, tbarron you helped me a lot | 15:32 |
| gouthamr | #vote pike | 15:33 |
| tommylikehu_ | thanks | 15:33 |
| bswartz | okay so there's no point in me voting it seems | 15:33 |
| bswartz | lol | 15:33 |
| cknight | #vote Pite | 15:33 |
| openstack | cknight: Pite is not a valid option. Valid options are Ocata, Pike. | 15:33 |
| tbarron | bswartz: now that you know the vote, what do you decide? | 15:33 |
| cknight | #vote Pike | 15:33 |
| bswartz | #endvote | 15:33 |
| openstack | Voted on "Which release should IPv6 support be merged in?" Results are | 15:33 |
| openstack | Pike (8): jprovazn, ganso, Yogi1, cknight, vponomaryov, tbarron, xyang1, dustins | 15:33 |
| gouthamr | haha :) | 15:33 |
| dmellado | so no ocata vote, poor ocata XD | 15:33 |
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| bswartz | I was going to vote for ocata | 15:34 |
| gouthamr | dmellado: ocata has a lot more than it asked for | 15:34 |
| bswartz | but the community consensus is clear | 15:34 |
| dmellado | gouthamr: heh | 15:34 |
| dustins | gouthamr: no lie | 15:34 |
| xyang1 | Is this voting thing case sensitive? gouthamr's vote isn't counted | 15:34 |
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| bswartz | So I'll put a -2 on the ipv6-related patches so we can focus on other things as we wrap up ocata | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | xyang1: i put a space in front of it :) | 15:35 |
| xyang1 | oh, ok:) | 15:35 |
| gouthamr | xyang1: they forgot .strip() | 15:35 |
| bswartz | but as soon as ocata is nailed down we need to bring the focus back to ipv6 | 15:35 |
| tommylikehu_ | bswartz: When can I continue on these patches? | 15:35 |
| vponomaryov | tommylikehu_: anytime | 15:36 |
| vponomaryov | tommylikehu_: we just do not merge it in Ocata | 15:36 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu_: please continue working on them -- the -2 doesn't prevent you from uploading patches or people downloading/testing | 15:36 |
| bswartz | it just prevents accidental merges | 15:36 |
| tommylikehu_ | thanks vponomaryov, bswartz | 15:36 |
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| bswartz | tommylikehu_: will you and/or your colleagues be in Atlanta? | 15:37 |
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| tommylikehu_ | I would like to come | 15:37 |
| tommylikehu_ | to join ptg | 15:37 |
| dmellado | bswartz: btw regarding that (PTG) | 15:37 |
| bswartz | okay well we have a topic for the PTG later | 15:37 |
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| bswartz | let's wrap up this topic | 15:37 |
| dmellado | when will you be arriving? | 15:37 |
| bswartz | dmellado: sunday evening | 15:37 |
| dmellado | I'll try to put up a 2nd session on the tempest plugins | 15:37 |
| dmellado | and it'd be great if you could be around | 15:38 |
| dmellado | great, then that shouldn't be an issue | 15:38 |
| bswartz | so with ipv6 off the table, what else remains for ocata-3? | 15:38 |
| ganso | bswartz: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415274/ | 15:38 |
| bswartz | dmellado: +1 | 15:38 |
| gouthamr | Ocata has been good. judging by API version bumps: Mitaka(2.7-2.15), Newton(2.16-2.22), Ocata(2.23-2.32) | 15:38 |
| bswartz | https://launchpad.net/manila/+milestone/ocata-3 | 15:39 |
| tommylikehu_ | wow | 15:39 |
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| bswartz | we haven't used launchpad effectively this release -- that's on me | 15:41 |
| bswartz | is that manila-ui patch the last thing to merge? | 15:41 |
| ganso | bswartz: I believe so | 15:41 |
| bswartz | no vendor driver patches still waiting? | 15:41 |
| bswartz | maybe I can push tags before lunch for server and client | 15:42 |
| bswartz | okay do we need to talk about that patch ganso? | 15:42 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: we have two CI fixes for server | 15:42 |
| bswartz | vponomaryov: those aren't subject to feature freeze | 15:43 |
| ganso | bswartz: Miriam is working on additional coverage... it is at 97% right now, vponomaryov wants the coverage increased | 15:43 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: ok | 15:43 |
| bswartz | increased from 97%? O_O | 15:43 |
| tbarron | but the 3% pertain to your changes? | 15:43 |
| ganso | tbarron: yes | 15:43 |
| tbarron | framing | 15:43 |
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| vponomaryov | ganso: question is in changed lines, not total coverage | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | okay so with additional unit tests that should be good to go in a few hours? | 15:44 |
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| bswartz | how soon? | 15:44 |
| ganso | bswartz: let me ask Miriam | 15:45 |
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| vponomaryov | also need to try it on lab | 15:45 |
| ganso | bswartz: a couple of hours possibly, we are not familiar with unit tests in manila-ui | 15:45 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: existing tests are good enough example | 15:46 |
| bswartz | I see a few bugs targeted to O-3 in launchpad | 15:47 |
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| vponomaryov | bswartz: one of them is related to commit we could have merged if not CI breakage -> https://review.openstack.org/425333 | 15:47 |
| bswartz | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/manila/+bug/1652317 | 15:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1652317 in Manila "OpenStackSDK refactoring caused various OSC networking commands to fail" [Critical,New] | 15:48 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: I consider it valueable to merge in O -> https://review.openstack.org/425333 | 15:48 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: to avoid future breakages | 15:48 |
| bswartz | right | 15:48 |
| vponomaryov | bswartz: we stop using already depreated stuff | 15:48 |
| bswartz | we have 7 days to do that | 15:48 |
| bswartz | I'm interested in bugs that would affect people who download and play with O-3 | 15:49 |
| bswartz | sounds like we're okay | 15:49 |
| bswartz | I'll retarget to RC1 | 15:49 |
| bswartz | okay | 15:50 |
| bswartz | #topic PTG | 15:50 |
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| bswartz | Anyone still waiting on travel approval? | 15:50 |
| bswartz | it's 3.5 week away | 15:50 |
| bswartz | weeks | 15:50 |
| ganso | bswartz: I am | 15:50 |
| bswartz | ganso: >_< | 15:51 |
| vponomaryov | ganso: have you tried travel support from foundation? | 15:51 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: that's the one | 15:51 |
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| vponomaryov | ganso: they already sent responses with decisions | 15:52 |
| ganso | vponomaryov: I am on the waiting list | 15:52 |
| bswartz | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-pike-ptg-topics | 15:52 |
| bswartz | so I'll just remind you all to propose topics | 15:53 |
| tommylikehu_ | added | 15:53 |
| dustins | I'll add a reminder to add your username so we know who wants to talk about what | 15:54 |
| bswartz | #topic open discussion | 15:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: manila)" | 15:55 | |
| bswartz | okay anything else before I get ready to push the tags for O-3? | 15:55 |
| bswartz | I'll take one more look at the gerrit backlog to make sure nothing important was missed | 15:55 |
| tommylikehu_ | bswartz: can you send me a guide on how to set up the environment that nova instance could communicate with other by IPv6 | 15:56 |
| * bswartz notices jenkins -2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425526 | 15:56 | |
| ganso | bswartz: gate is still broken | 15:56 |
| bswartz | tommylikehu_: I'm still working on a more repeatable method for doing that -- I don't recommend that anyone uses the hacks I'm using, and I'm sure there's a better way | 15:57 |
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| tommylikehu_ | ok . | 15:57 |
| bswartz | I just need to find some helpful neutron people who can explain what I'm missing | 15:57 |
| bswartz | because trial-and-error is frustratingly slow | 15:57 |
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| bswartz | okay I think we're done for today | 15:58 |
| bswartz | thanks all | 15:58 |
| bswartz | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 26 15:58:24 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-01-26-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-01-26-15.00.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/manila/2017/manila.2017-01-26-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting security | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 26 17:01:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | o/ | 17:01 |
| lhinds | o/ | 17:01 |
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| vinaypotluri | O/ | 17:01 |
| knangia | O/ | 17:01 |
| hyakuhei | Hey! Apologies, I've been out of the office all day so not had a chance to update the Agenda | 17:02 |
| tkelsey | o/ | 17:02 |
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| hyakuhei | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 17:02 |
| hyakuhei | ^^ standing agenda | 17:02 |
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| sigmavirus | o/ | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Quiet room :) | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Hey sigmavirus | 17:03 |
| unrahul | o/ | 17:03 |
| hyakuhei | Right, lets get right on with it then :) | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | #topic PTL | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTL (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:04 | |
| hyakuhei | As you all know | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | It's the PTL election period | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | Instructions on how to submit your candidacy can be found here: | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | #link http://governance.openstack.org/election/#how-to-submit-your-candidacy | 17:04 |
| hyakuhei | As discussed last week, I've thrown my hat in the ring | 17:05 |
| michaelxin | o/ | 17:05 |
| michaelxin | +1000 | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Hey michaelxin | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | The candidacy period closes soon | 17:05 |
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| hyakuhei | Jan 29th 23:45 UTC | 17:05 |
| michaelxin | Thanks hyakuhei | 17:05 |
| hyakuhei | Any questions? | 17:06 |
| lhinds | has anyone else gone forward hyakuhei ? | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | oh my submission is here for whoever is interested: | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425193/ | 17:06 |
| hyakuhei | At the moment it looks like it's just me | 17:06 |
| sigmavirus | lhinds: no, you can check the repo. each project has its own folder | 17:06 |
| lhinds | sgtm, I don't plan to for this cycle, perhaps a later cycle | 17:07 |
| sigmavirus | https://github.com/openstack/election/tree/master/candidates/pike/Security | 17:07 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, I just did a fresh 'git pull' and it's just me in the Security folder | 17:07 |
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| hyakuhei | Any other questions on PTL things? | 17:07 |
| lhinds | nope, not from me. | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | ok, moving swiftly on | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | #topic PTG | 17:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: security)" | 17:08 | |
| hyakuhei | As you know, each team has an etherpad of things PTG related | 17:08 |
| hyakuhei | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-security-team | 17:08 |
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| hyakuhei | It looks like we have a few more people who will probably/maybe be able to come | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | This is great! | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | We need to flesh out the topics a little better. | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | lhinds when will you know if you can come? | 17:09 |
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| lhinds | hyakuhei: I think its a certain I won't be tbh. budget matters | 17:09 |
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| lhinds | I should be able to wing the next one though | 17:09 |
| hyakuhei | That's a real shame lhinds. | 17:10 |
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| hyakuhei | At least by the next one some of the teething/first-run issues will be ironed out :) | 17:10 |
| lhinds | yup, do you think a remote bridge will be open for this one? | 17:10 |
| lhinds | too early to say perhaps | 17:10 |
| hyakuhei | I'm sure we could find a way to make that work | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | and I think something like OSSN would work fine with a bridge. | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | So my ask for those of you that are attending is to flesh out the topic suggestions a bit more please. | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | I don't have much to add to that | 17:11 |
| lhinds | cool, with ocata freezing soon, I should be able to go into the notes API a lot more | 17:11 |
| hyakuhei | That'll be great! | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | ok, lets have our Syntribos roundup :) | 17:12 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Syntribos | 17:12 |
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| unrahul | michaelxin: | 17:13 |
| unrahul | we are in our final round of swift testing this week.. and will wrap up and move on to glance | 17:13 |
| hyakuhei | Awesome progress! | 17:13 |
| unrahul | One bug we have submitted is in embargo.. and will let you guys know what happens.. with that.. | 17:13 |
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| hyakuhei | Excellent | 17:13 |
| michaelxin | Then, we will work on some improvement of Syntribos | 17:13 |
| unrahul | yup | 17:14 |
| unrahul | One of our patch for template augmentation is up for review and would soon be merged | 17:14 |
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| unrahul | thats it from us.. this week.. | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | sweet | 17:14 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OSSN | 17:14 |
| unrahul | michaelxin: mdong anything else? | 17:14 |
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| hyakuhei | lhinds | 17:14 |
| michaelxin | no | 17:14 |
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| hyakuhei | heh, too slow unrahul (sorry, my bad) | 17:14 |
| michaelxin | Thanks unrahul | 17:15 |
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| hyakuhei | lhinds ... anything to share on OSSN? | 17:15 |
| lhinds | notes: one is about to go out on an ack from the project cores (thats your one hyakuhei ) | 17:15 |
| hyakuhei | Ah cool | 17:15 |
| lhinds | another is going to go public, which should help get an author. | 17:15 |
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| lhinds | has anyone seen tmcpeak at all? | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | Excellent, we seem to have more embargo'd than not at the moment | 17:16 |
| hyakuhei | lhinds he's around | 17:16 |
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| hyakuhei | Just not on IRC today I guess | 17:16 |
| lhinds | ah cool | 17:16 |
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| lhinds | i will try and reach him again as he is assigned the coming public note. | 17:16 |
| lhinds | that's it for now, 2 open, 1 about to close, 1 about to go public | 17:17 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok cool, thanks lhinds | 17:17 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Any Other Business | 17:17 |
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| hyakuhei | Anything to discuss ? | 17:17 |
| lhinds | nothing more from me for this week | 17:18 |
| michaelxin | nope | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | cool, lets close it out then, nice quick meeting, thanks all! | 17:18 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 17:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:18 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 26 17:18:51 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-01-26-17.01.html | 17:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-01-26-17.01.txt | 17:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-01-26-17.01.log.html | 17:18 |
| michaelxin | bye | 17:18 |
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| lhinds | thx all! | 17:19 |
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| cdent | SpamapS: are we on an odd or even week or are we busy with other stuff? | 20:03 |
| dtroyer | I had it now… | 20:04 |
| clarkb | date +%V says even week | 20:04 |
| dtroyer | ttx is at dinner and SpamapS may be too, he's in CZ | 20:05 |
| cdent | til | 20:05 |
| dtroyer | the two things on the agenda for today look to be my the two not here :) | 20:07 |
| dtroyer | I do think ttx is ready for the base services doc to get approved, but I don't know what else is up for today | 20:08 |
| cdent | a) gossip about nova-compute stuff? b) noodle about ptg plans? | 20:09 |
| dtroyer | good enough for me | 20:09 |
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| dtroyer | #startmeeting arch_wg | 20:09 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 26 20:09:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: arch_wg)" | 20:09 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'arch_wg' | 20:09 |
| dtroyer | #link agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Arch-WG | 20:09 |
| redrobot | o/ | 20:09 |
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| dtroyer | #topic Proposals for work | 20:10 |
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| dtroyer | * Base Services - ttx | 20:10 |
| dtroyer | ttx is not here, but he mentioned earlier that the base services proposal should be ready to go, both reviews have 1 +2 | 20:11 |
| dtroyer | and some +1's | 20:11 |
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| dtroyer | * nova-compute-api - SpamapS | 20:12 |
| dtroyer | SpamapS: isn't here (yet), we can come back if he shows up before we're gone | 20:12 |
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| cdent | (oh, I have a 'c' too, but without quorum I'm not sure if it matters: where do resources to do the proposals come from?) | 20:12 |
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| dtroyer | that's a really good question... | 20:13 |
| dtroyer | my belief is that they come from the organizations who have an interest in the topics | 20:13 |
| dtroyer | now, seeing that in practice may be a different thing altogether | 20:14 |
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| cdent | well that's exactly it | 20:14 |
| cdent | That belief is a lot harder to believe these days | 20:15 |
| dtroyer | understood. I personally have some discretion in that area, but that is becoming more uncommon every month it seems | 20:15 |
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| cdent | ditto | 20:16 |
| cdent | we are unique and special unicorns | 20:16 |
| * dtroyer thought he was a snowflake | 20:16 | |
| cdent | oh that too | 20:17 |
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| dtroyer | It seems to me that time is narrowing the interest here a bit to those of us who do have some ability to spend time on arch things. | 20:17 |
| cdent | snow-unicorn | 20:18 |
| dtroyer | I'm choosing to see the positive side of that in that the calls to "do the big things" without bringing the resources have already died down | 20:18 |
| cdent | yes | 20:18 |
| cdent | good point | 20:18 |
| dtroyer | so anyway, let me make this official… | 20:19 |
| dtroyer | #topic Open Discussion | 20:19 |
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| dtroyer | PTG? | 20:19 |
| cdent | yeah, I wasn't going, but now I am thanks to ttx prompting me to apply for travel | 20:20 |
| dtroyer | \o/ | 20:20 |
| cdent | so I now want to be sure that I'm prepped and ready | 20:20 |
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| redrobot | dang, I missed the travel assistance deadline :( | 20:21 |
| cdent | I assume we'll want to do at least two things: talk about the two pending proposals and talk about what else should be proposed | 20:22 |
| redrobot | When can we start proposing new "base services"? Immediately after the two patches land? | 20:22 |
| cdent | the api-wg has sent me to say "we want to hang with the arch-wg and make the world a better place together" | 20:22 |
| dtroyer | so IIRC the suggestion has been for the arch-wg to find time/space on Tuesday to talk | 20:22 |
| dtroyer | I like this idea… maybe we should find a not-official evening corner table in the bar if all else fails | 20:23 |
| dtroyer | or even if it doesn't | 20:23 |
| cdent | +1 | 20:23 |
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| dtroyer | redrobot: proposing the next bits can be done anytime I think, its nearly automatic to get put into the proposals/ directory | 20:25 |
| redrobot | dtroyer sounds good | 20:26 |
| dtroyer | cdent: did you have nova gossip to share? | 20:27 |
| cdent | not in any specific way; I guess my understanding was that gossiping about the current state of things is part of the process of figuring out a next | 20:28 |
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| cdent | my comment about "who does this stuff" is mostly born out of suppose someone did say "let's extract nova-compute" how would that compute with the fact that nova is already way behind its own existing goals | 20:29 |
| dtroyer | I'm afraid my current gossip is all wrapped up in client-bits-freeze this week | 20:29 |
| cdent | coordination and collaboration is going to challenging, no matter how good the plan is | 20:29 |
| cdent | yeah, I'm not sure this week is a great time to gossip, plenty of rush on other stuff | 20:30 |
| cdent | we could punt to after some releases... | 20:30 |
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| dtroyer | and that is our biggest challenge, I think. knowing there are plenty of folk out there (with resources to spend) that want to take big swings at things, but can't get together on doing it "in the community", we can be part of what keeps it all together | 20:31 |
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| * cdent nods | 20:32 | |
| dtroyer | bring the compute node bits back together is terribly intriguing, and take me back to the days when cinder was forked from nova in the first place :) | 20:32 |
| dtroyer | what I really think we can do is help clarify a couple of things around not trying to be all things to all people. | 20:32 |
| dtroyer | anyway, I'm getting into the beer-convo... | 20:33 |
| cdent | about openstack not being all things to all people? | 20:33 |
| cdent | we could make a beergenda between now and beertime | 20:33 |
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| dtroyer | yes… I'd give my example of needing a virt-manager for my shiny new NUC last week, and cringing about what it would cost to use even a minimal OpenStack to run it so I can use the tools I write... | 20:34 |
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| * dtroyer is looking to see if there's an etherpad for arch-wg-ptg yet | 20:35 | |
| cdent | the crucial etherpad flaw | 20:35 |
| dtroyer | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-architecture-workgroup | 20:36 |
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| * cdent notes it | 20:37 | |
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| dtroyer | ok, anything else? I need to go let the dogs out… | 20:41 |
| cdent | I say we call it | 20:41 |
| dtroyer | kk | 20:41 |
| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 20:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 26 20:41:53 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2017/arch_wg.2017-01-26-20.09.html | 20:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2017/arch_wg.2017-01-26-20.09.txt | 20:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/arch_wg/2017/arch_wg.2017-01-26-20.09.log.html | 20:41 |
| cdent | thanks dtroyer | 20:42 |
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| loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 26 21:03:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
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| loquacities | hello docs team! who's here? | 21:03 |
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| asettle | heyo! | 21:04 |
| loquacities | hrm, might just be us, asettle :( | 21:04 |
| asettle | loquacities: Ian mentioned he might make it, but it's also a holiday I believe. | 21:04 |
| AJaeger | o/ | 21:04 |
| asettle | loquacities: that is a sads. | 21:04 |
| loquacities | and i got up early and everything | 21:04 |
| asettle | A wild AJaeger appears | 21:04 |
| loquacities | hi AJaeger | 21:04 |
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| loquacities | oh! it's lunar new year today | 21:04 |
| AJaeger | hi asettle and loquacities | 21:04 |
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| loquacities | this explains things | 21:04 |
| asettle | loquacities: yep :P | 21:04 |
| loquacities | well, if it's just us three, perhaps we could have a quick on-the-record chat about archiving, etc? | 21:05 |
| loquacities | and maybe skip the formalities? | 21:05 |
| asettle | Yeah why not :) | 21:05 |
| * AJaeger prefers off the record;) | 21:05 | |
| loquacities | lol | 21:05 |
| AJaeger | Let's go for it ;) | 21:05 |
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| loquacities | so, i think we can all agree that archiving is a thing we should do, yeah? | 21:06 |
| loquacities | i also think that perhaps tom's 'five minute fix' isn't as easy as he's saying it is | 21:06 |
| asettle | Yes, but we need to come up with a long term solution that can be implemented and automaticlaly maintained. | 21:06 |
| loquacities | i mean, aside from breaking with our standard practice | 21:06 |
| AJaeger | loquacities: the five minute fix is 15 mins - but it's easy... | 21:06 |
| asettle | So, I would like to reject the 5 minute idea. Putting a bandaid on a broken arm doesn't do anything. | 21:07 |
| AJaeger | I've been asking for a policy on what to delete and what to keep for quite some time - but I've given up writing one. | 21:07 |
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| loquacities | well, i thought the policy was just current +2 releases | 21:07 |
| loquacities | which means icehouse is out | 21:07 |
| AJaeger | loquacities: once we have the long term solution, I can do the 15 mins jobs | 21:07 |
| loquacities | ok | 21:07 |
| loquacities | tom is arguing for a policy based on number of prod installs | 21:08 |
| loquacities | which i feel is overly manual | 21:08 |
| AJaeger | which will also be strong if let's say kilo is used heavily but liberty is not. | 21:08 |
| loquacities | and also inaccurate, since the user survey only covers a small number of installs and extrapolates | 21:09 |
| loquacities | yeah, which seems likely | 21:09 |
| asettle | Hmm, not that I don't want to continue this discussion - but I think we need to, regardless of the release usage, come up with a technical solution first then figure out how far back we would archive. | 21:09 |
| loquacities | well, we can do the archiving, but it's manual | 21:10 |
| asettle | I'd like to avoid that. | 21:10 |
| loquacities | we usually just do it as part of the release process | 21:10 |
| asettle | We don't have the team size and resources to do a manual archive each release. | 21:10 |
| asettle | At this size, that is. | 21:10 |
| asettle | With docs as far back as icehouse + | 21:10 |
| AJaeger | I don't want to do a manual archive step. We publish to specific urls and think we can just keep it there... | 21:10 |
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| asettle | But is that the best option? Considering there's bug reports to consider, etc | 21:11 |
| AJaeger | the only manual step would be to remove content, update index files and redirects | 21:11 |
| loquacities | so tom is asking for us to just revive the liberty url | 21:11 |
| asettle | That was my main reasoning for doing an auto-conversion to PDF | 21:11 |
| loquacities | minus install guides | 21:11 |
| bsilverman_6 | Sorry, I’m here now | 21:11 |
| iphutch | o/ | 21:11 |
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| bsilverman_6 | o/ | 21:12 |
| loquacities | oh hey guys | 21:12 |
| AJaeger | loquacities: he asks for icehouse and juno - liberty is fine | 21:12 |
| asettle | Do we have liberty? | 21:12 |
| loquacities | we dispensed with formalities since we didn't have quorum | 21:12 |
| loquacities | oh, sorry, i meant icehouse | 21:12 |
| loquacities | and juno | 21:12 |
| bsilverman_6 | I know a large enterprise still running Icehouse, actually one is a Superuser award winner. | 21:13 |
| bsilverman_6 | They are going to | 21:13 |
| bsilverman_6 | Mitaka soon | 21:13 |
| asettle | bsilverman_6: we're discussing the archiving issue that was brought up on the mailing list. I think we all agree that we should archive docs - it's just a question of how. | 21:13 |
| bsilverman_6 | Archive as in cold storage or live but somewhere else? | 21:13 |
| loquacities | i agree that there are people using these old builds, but do we really need to be serving documentation to them? | 21:14 |
| asettle | I want cold storage. | 21:14 |
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| asettle | I, personally, would love a utopian world where we encourage users to upgrade - not keep the documentation | 21:14 |
| loquacities | i'd be ok with cold storage | 21:14 |
| asettle | But ;) | 21:14 |
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| loquacities | and *lots* of caveat | 21:14 |
| bsilverman_6 | cold as in “here’s a tar.gz of the docs, go download them” or an immutable site? | 21:14 |
| asettle | I was thinking more immovable PDF | 21:15 |
| loquacities | i'd be cool with the former | 21:15 |
| loquacities | i'd also be good with pdf | 21:15 |
| asettle | tar.gz might be easier - thoughts? | 21:15 |
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| loquacities | AJaeger: maybe bsilverman_6 is on to something? can we just offer a link? | 21:15 |
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| bsilverman_6 | Maybe offer both, it’s a one time setup | 21:16 |
| bsilverman_6 | if they are frozen, you set and forget. | 21:16 |
| loquacities | we'd still need to manually transfer old docs to the archive, though | 21:16 |
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| AJaeger | as long as it's scritable ;) | 21:17 |
| bsilverman_6 | new releases trigger a new archive of the oldest release | 21:17 |
| loquacities | that way we could stick with current + 2 | 21:17 |
| asettle | loquacities: if its a one time more for long term gain - that's doable | 21:17 |
| asettle | Muchhhh more doable than continuously having a manual process | 21:17 |
| loquacities | rather than stuff around with numbers of installs | 21:17 |
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| asettle | AJaeger: could be scriptable, no? | 21:18 |
| asettle | Bash it | 21:18 |
| loquacities | where's bmoss when you need him?! | 21:18 |
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| AJaeger | and we need to define which content - there's translations, /RELEASE/config-reference, install-guide, networking-guide, project-specific install guides - but also developer docs like http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/liberty/ | 21:18 |
| loquacities | i wouldn't do /developer docs | 21:18 |
| loquacities | that's up to the project teams | 21:18 |
| iphutch | agreed | 21:19 |
| AJaeger | asettle: infra needs to run this - I think a script is fine | 21:19 |
| AJaeger | loquacities: then it will never happen. I suggest to create a policy here | 21:19 |
| loquacities | if we just said all of docs, would that be easier? | 21:19 |
| asettle | I would just say we do install guides - thoughts? | 21:19 |
| asettle | Questions, questions | 21:19 |
| loquacities | rather than picking and choosing | 21:19 |
| iphutch | asettle: why install guides? | 21:19 |
| asettle | Install guides are the only fully versioned guides we have. | 21:20 |
| loquacities | AJaeger: policy being something like 'everything in /RELEASE' gets archived after release day'? | 21:20 |
| AJaeger | asettle: install guides, config ref, networking guide | 21:20 |
| asettle | Config ref makes sense, why the networking though AJaeger ? | 21:20 |
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| AJaeger | loquacities: something like that (after EOL) | 21:20 |
| loquacities | yeah | 21:20 |
| bsilverman_6 | I would say config ref would be the #1 need for old releases | 21:20 |
| AJaeger | asettle: those are versioned today | 21:20 |
| iphutch | bsilverman_6: agreed | 21:21 |
| asettle | Yeah, I just wasn't too sure how used they are? But that's not the point - versioned guides make sense. Config, install, networking | 21:21 |
| loquacities | yeah | 21:21 |
| bsilverman_6 | and API reference, to see if an older release had a feature or not. | 21:21 |
| AJaeger | bsilverman_6: API references are not versioned at all. | 21:21 |
| loquacities | AJaeger: want to work with me on a spec, then? | 21:21 |
| loquacities | i can write the words and the policy, if you can work out the tech details | 21:22 |
| AJaeger | bsilverman_6: that is done in place in the API reference | 21:22 |
| asettle | loquacities and AJaeger - if you guys could do it before the PTG, then we could bring it up an ensure the team what's going to happen in Pike. | 21:22 |
| bsilverman_6 | AJaeger: okay | 21:22 |
| loquacities | and we'll make it a pike/queens goal | 21:22 |
| AJaeger | loquacities: sorry, I'm way under right now and won't have time for this. I can leave some comments and do the 15 min job. But nothing else for the next few weeks | 21:22 |
| loquacities | AJaeger: ok, np | 21:22 |
| loquacities | i might need to leave some TBDs in there for now then | 21:22 |
| loquacities | i'll get a draft up today | 21:23 |
| asettle | loquacities: that's best case :) okay, AJaeger do you recommend anyone else from infra that could help us? | 21:23 |
| loquacities | i'll enlist bmoss too | 21:23 |
| asettle | Good plan, add me on the review loquacities :) | 21:23 |
| loquacities | will do | 21:23 |
| loquacities | so, i'd like to make a general announcement since we're here | 21:23 |
| AJaeger | asettle: just ask on #openstack-infra ... | 21:23 |
| asettle | AJaeger: good point ;) cheers :) | 21:23 |
| asettle | loquacities: go announcing :) | 21:24 |
| loquacities | asettle: we can ask josh too | 21:24 |
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| asettle | loquacities: good point, it'd be nice to get him more involved. | 21:24 |
| loquacities | so, the next docs meeting is set for 10 feb | 21:24 |
| loquacities | by then, we'll have a new PTL | 21:24 |
| loquacities | so this is my last docs meeting :) | 21:24 |
| asettle | Aww :( | 21:24 |
| bmoss | :( | 21:24 |
| loquacities | it also means today will be my last what's up doc | 21:24 |
| loquacities | oh! bmoss! | 21:25 |
| jrobinson | loquacities, sorry for running late to your last docs meeting as PTL. | 21:25 |
| loquacities | hi! o/ | 21:25 |
| bmoss | o/ | 21:25 |
| loquacities | heya jrobinson | 21:25 |
| iphutch | cheers to you loquacities | 21:25 |
| asettle | Thanks for everything you've done, loquacities :) | 21:25 |
| loquacities | thanks | 21:25 |
| asettle | It's been an amazing 4 releases. | 21:25 |
| bmoss | +1 | 21:25 |
| loquacities | i'm sure asettle will do wonderfully | 21:25 |
| bsilverman_6 | +1 | 21:25 |
| asettle | Yeah well you never know :p | 21:25 |
| loquacities | and i'll still be here doing whatever hand holding is required | 21:25 |
| asettle | Could burn it all down | 21:25 |
| loquacities | dawww, thanks everyoe :) | 21:25 |
| bsilverman_6 | burn it down! | 21:25 |
| bmoss | there is no try, only do | 21:25 |
| asettle | HOORAY | 21:25 |
| loquacities | haha | 21:25 |
| jrobinson | loquacities, congratulations though. Docs has moved and evolved a lot under your leadership. | 21:25 |
| markstur | thanks loquacities | 21:25 |
| loquacities | thanks everyone | 21:26 |
| * loquacities takes a bow | 21:26 | |
| loquacities | and on that note, that's me, out | 21:26 |
| loquacities | *mic drop* | 21:26 |
| asettle | Speaking of burning it down, I've got a little something to chat about next ;) | 21:26 |
| asettle | Well that was excellently timed. | 21:26 |
| jrobinson | Is it too late for a User Guides update? | 21:26 |
| loquacities | lol | 21:26 |
| asettle | jrobinson: we skipped the formalities | 21:26 |
| asettle | There wasn't quorum at the beginning | 21:26 |
| loquacities | open chat is fine :) | 21:26 |
| asettle | Okay, so, | 21:26 |
| loquacities | we're still recording through meetbot | 21:26 |
| asettle | Before we go on. I'm sure some of you would have noticed I've been bug triaging. | 21:26 |
| AJaeger | loquacities: thanks and sorry for skipping out while the group hug was going on | 21:27 |
| asettle | I want to talk about that process a little bit. | 21:27 |
| jrobinson | Ah okay. asettle I was going to bring up that bug for the cpu_utils, but it can wait til after your announcement. | 21:27 |
| loquacities | lol, thanks AJaeger :) | 21:27 |
| asettle | jrobinson: it will link in no doubt | 21:27 |
| jrobinson | +1 | 21:27 |
| asettle | No announcement | 21:27 |
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| asettle | #topic Bug triaging | 21:27 |
| AJaeger | asettle: yeah, seen a bug or two triaged ;) | 21:27 |
| asettle | HAHA | 21:27 |
| asettle | okay | 21:27 |
| asettle | So | 21:27 |
| AJaeger | asettle: Or was it 100 or 200? ;) | 21:27 |
| asettle | *screams* 150 | 21:27 |
| asettle | So, I want to explain what I've been doing and why | 21:28 |
| * AJaeger thanks asettle for great work on the bug fron | 21:28 | |
| asettle | Thank you AJaeger :) | 21:28 |
| asettle | We are now down to 205 bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bugs | 21:28 |
| loquacities | yes, hear hear! | 21:28 |
| asettle | There is one bug untriaged, but that is for jrobinson - we'll get to that. | 21:28 |
| asettle | I noticed a lot while triaging. | 21:28 |
| asettle | 1. There were a lot of bugs that were fixed, but not closed. | 21:28 |
| AJaeger | reworking your PTL statement now? ;) | 21:28 |
| asettle | 2. There were a lot of bugs that were triaged for dev bugs - not for manuals | 21:29 |
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| asettle | 3. There were a lot of bugs that were not re-triaged, and instead of being fixed per release, were being moved from kilo - liberty - mitaka - newton - ocata | 21:29 |
| asettle | Which, by the time I got to them were completely out of date and already fixed. | 21:29 |
| asettle | We need to find a better way to triage bugs, and ensure we're actually completing them on time. | 21:29 |
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| asettle | I've been tagging more bugs with low-hanging-fruit and in the last week I've noticed a lot more one off contributors. | 21:29 |
| asettle | Which is great! | 21:29 |
| asettle | But, I can't do this alone. | 21:30 |
| loquacities | tom's script does that shuffling from release to release | 21:30 |
| asettle | I propose an idea - and I'd like to discuss it with you all. | 21:30 |
| loquacities | we could ask him to stop doing that thing? | 21:30 |
| AJaeger | team, before I forget it: fungi is currently setting up https on docs.o.o and developer.o.o. Will announce it once it works. And if you notice anything odd, head over to #openstack-infra, please | 21:30 |
| asettle | loquacities: I think so. | 21:30 |
| loquacities | AJaeger: yay! thanks :) | 21:30 |
| asettle | It is not working the way it is intended, unfortunately. | 21:30 |
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| loquacities | i'll drop him a note | 21:30 |
| fungi | yep, i'm around and paying attention | 21:30 |
| asettle | I had to move a bug from juno the other day | 21:30 |
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| asettle | Thanks AJaeger :) | 21:30 |
| bsilverman_6 | I am waiting for this discussion, you had me at propose and idea | 21:31 |
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| asettle | So, my idea... I'd like there to be designated bug triager for all 'new' bugs. | 21:31 |
| asettle | WHether that be the PTL or someone else. | 21:31 |
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| asettle | There are approximately 1-3 bugs max that come into the manuals per-day | 21:31 |
| asettle | It's not a heavy job, but it's something we have to start doing regularly | 21:31 |
| jrobinson | We could rotate the responsibility. | 21:31 |
| AJaeger | asettle: good idea. | 21:31 |
| AJaeger | jrobinson: +1 | 21:32 |
| asettle | jrobinson: that's a great idea - someone every 2 weeks or so? move around the team? | 21:32 |
| cathrichardson | Triage ninja | 21:32 |
| bsilverman_6 | +1 | 21:32 |
| iphutch | +1 | 21:32 |
| asettle | I noticed that within a week I was able to identify quite quickly what was a bug, and made me pretty adept at getting around the manuals alone. | 21:32 |
| asettle | Great! | 21:32 |
| AJaeger | And every core has to do it ? ;) | 21:32 |
| asettle | AJaeger: every core! | 21:32 |
| jrobinson | We could shape it around the development milestones of each cycle, maybe. Pike 1 - 1.5 - 2 etc. | 21:32 |
| asettle | jrobinson: I love it, this is great! You seem to have an awesome idea there - would you mind writing down a proposed schedule? | 21:32 |
| asettle | I think we could really make this work, and try and convince people to get more involved. Feel like they have a 'job' within the team. | 21:33 |
| jrobinson | asettle, not a problem, I can put something together. | 21:33 |
| asettle | jrobinson: excellent :) | 21:33 |
| asettle | My next idea, stay with me ;) | 21:33 |
| jrobinson | informal-action - jrobinson write a schedule. | 21:33 |
| asettle | Is that the triager is responsible for adding the tag that relates to the particular guide(s) | 21:33 |
| iphutch | Makes sense | 21:33 |
| asettle | From there, the specialty teams are in charge of ensuring their bug lists are looked after. | 21:33 |
| asettle | One of the things I've been doing is moving all the bugs into specific guide-related tags. Example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bugs?field.tag=install-guide | 21:34 |
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| asettle | Example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bugs?field.tag=user-guide | 21:34 |
| asettle | Removing ambiguity like 'docs' | 21:34 |
| asettle | Which, I know why is there - but once the bug has been triaged out of the project repo and is just for docs, we can assign to the right guide | 21:34 |
| asettle | Thoughts? | 21:35 |
| bsilverman_6 | sounds logical | 21:35 |
| asettle | My idea is - if we spread out the bug load to specific teams, then we can lighten the load overall | 21:35 |
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| asettle | bsilverman_6: my sentiments ;) | 21:35 |
| asettle | Do we think people would go for it? | 21:35 |
| AJaeger | let's try it... | 21:35 |
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| bsilverman_6 | I consider myself people and I’d go for it. | 21:37 |
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| asettle | Alright! I'll try and convince the specialty leads of it too ;) | 21:37 |
| iphutch | lol | 21:37 |
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| asettle | #action Alex to email specialty team leads about bug triaging | 21:38 |
| asettle | Which reminds me, AJaeger and loquacities - should we review specialty leads? As in, ask them if they'd like to continue with the position etc? Especially if I'm about to lump more work on them. Or should we jsut trial it? | 21:38 |
| loquacities | yes, i think so :) | 21:38 |
| jrobinson | I think it's workable. I might need to tag or informally ask another contributor for answering more technical bug questions. | 21:38 |
| asettle | jrobinson: makes total sense :) an SME like you would normally | 21:39 |
| jrobinson | Yes, SME request, that's right. | 21:39 |
| asettle | loquacities: okay - you and I can work on an email perhaps to send out and find a time to chat to our leads? | 21:39 |
| loquacities | sure :) | 21:39 |
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| asettle | Okay, which brings me to my NEXT point - how much interaction have we received from docs liaisons in the past? | 21:40 |
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| asettle | Man I have too many thoughts. | 21:40 |
| loquacities | not much | 21:40 |
| iphutch | not much | 21:40 |
| iphutch | how often is that list reviewed? | 21:40 |
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| bsilverman_6 | asettle: we had a lot but then not so much as we all agreed to take it to this meeting. | 21:40 |
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| loquacities | i ask PTLs to review after PTL elections are complete | 21:40 |
| asettle | Yes, okay. That seems to be the consensus. I'm considering finding time to chat with PTLs at the PTG and asking them for dedicated resources for docs liaisons. | 21:40 |
| AJaeger | asettle: I agree with reviewing speciality teams, let's do some assessment whether teams are active and feel happy - or need help | 21:41 |
| asettle | Ahhh right, loquacities makes sense. We should do that again then. | 21:41 |
| loquacities | which is when the other cross-project liaisons are reviews too | 21:41 |
| loquacities | yep :) | 21:41 |
| asettle | AJaeger: yep, let's do that completely :) | 21:41 |
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| asettle | I'd like to see some fresh faces too - it would be good to get some life injected into our guides with enthusiastic people (haaaaaa) | 21:41 |
| bsilverman_6 | asettle: nm, I read the question wrong, thought we were still talking about specialty teams. | 21:41 |
| AJaeger | some of stepped up a bit - neutron, keystone saw some involvement, others none | 21:41 |
| asettle | bsilverman_6: hehehhe no problem | 21:41 |
| asettle | I do find that if I ping in channel asking for bug triage help, or understanding - most are really happy to help out. | 21:42 |
| * AJaeger has to drop off now and waves good bye | 21:42 | |
| asettle | AJaeger: o/ thanks for coming! | 21:42 |
| asettle | I wonder if it's worth keeping the docs liaison method and going for something else? | 21:42 |
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| asettle | Something a little less formal. | 21:42 |
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| iphutch | bystander effect, i think there needs to be a person.. a list of people | 21:44 |
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| asettle | Fair :) well, should we just refresh the list? | 21:44 |
| iphutch | +1 | 21:44 |
| jrobinson | I was talking with mikal about the docs liaisons and dev team lists. Some might not remember they are on the list. It has been a while. | 21:44 |
| asettle | jrobinson: good point - I will find some time to chat with PTLs and any liaisons that are at the PTG | 21:45 |
| jrobinson | I can volunteer to contact some of the list? We could divide the task out. | 21:45 |
| asettle | :) | 21:45 |
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| asettle | jrobinson: that's a great idea - divide and conquer. | 21:45 |
| asettle | jrobinson: ping me after the meeting and we'll work it out? | 21:45 |
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| jrobinson | np | 21:45 |
| asettle | Okoay, well, I asked nishpatwa007 to join our meeting just now because he has managed to be a super dooper awesome human and start on our index page!! https://review.openstack.org/425821 | 21:46 |
| asettle | For all those that would like to look at the new shiny | 21:46 |
| asettle | #link https://review.openstack.org/425821 | 21:46 |
| iphutch | yay nishpatwa007! | 21:46 |
| asettle | Massive thanks :) | 21:46 |
| loquacities | whoah, cool! | 21:47 |
| nishpatwa007 | Hahahha Thanks :) | 21:47 |
| asettle | All praise nishpatwa007 | 21:47 |
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| asettle | Okay, well, I have officially run out of steam and any discussion points that I had :) | 21:48 |
| asettle | loquacities ? | 21:48 |
| loquacities | i'm done :) | 21:48 |
| loquacities | ready to end? | 21:48 |
| ianychoi | oh meeting is online :) | 21:49 |
| ianychoi | loquacities, thanks a lot for your PTL ! | 21:49 |
| asettle | Hey ianychoi ! | 21:49 |
| loquacities | you're most welcome, ianychoi :) | 21:49 |
| bsilverman_6 | asettle: I had something real quick to talk about the application architectures | 21:49 |
| ianychoi | (I just have woke up so late) | 21:49 |
| asettle | bsilverman_6: floor is yours :) | 21:50 |
| bsilverman_6 | They look like they have a format figured out for those, and we talked about getting hardware architectures for the arch-guide | 21:50 |
| bsilverman_6 | Any plans for the foundation to do those or are they still an unknown | 21:51 |
| asettle | Ohh.. um.. loquacities ? | 21:51 |
| loquacities | yep? | 21:51 |
| bsilverman_6 | They have, for example, a Web Application reference architecture, but it’s not coupled with a hardware base. | 21:51 |
| asettle | Just wondering if you had an answer to that. I'm sorry, I am unaware bsilverman_6 | 21:52 |
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| loquacities | nope, sorry | 21:52 |
| bsilverman_6 | I like to format and the diagrams but we talked about arch-guide linking to outside RA's | 21:52 |
| bsilverman_6 | and that we would not be responsible for creating and updating the architecture designs | 21:53 |
| bsilverman_6 | but it doesn’t look like we’ve identified a source | 21:53 |
| asettle | Unfortunately not :( | 21:53 |
| bsilverman_6 | Okay, I’ve put it on the agenda for the PTG, we’ll talk there. | 21:53 |
| asettle | bsilverman_6: that sounds good :) are you attending? | 21:54 |
| bsilverman_6 | New question, are there any planned docs sprints? | 21:54 |
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| bsilverman_6 | yes, I will be there Mon and Tues, dedicated to docs | 21:54 |
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| asettle | bsilverman_6: terrific :) looking forward to working to you there. | 21:55 |
| bsilverman_6 | Darren and I talked about doing one for arch-guide and/or ha-guide | 21:55 |
| asettle | bsilverman_6: no plan, but not not up for discussion. | 21:55 |
| bsilverman_6 | not not? Is that yep yep? | 21:55 |
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| asettle | bsilverman_6: I'd like to think about doing another one for the Arch Guide. We've had that one on the back burner for a long time and we need to fix it. | 21:55 |
| bsilverman_6 | I get confused with double negatives. | 21:55 |
| asettle | bsilverman_6: hahaha means yep, we can discuss it :) sorry | 21:56 |
| ianychoi | I think so not not means wow wow | 21:56 |
| fungi | fyi, https://developer.openstack.org/ and https://docs.openstack.org/ should be live now | 21:56 |
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| asettle | I know iphutch aspiers and abeekhof have some good thoughts about the HA guide - I'd like to see wehre that heads. | 21:56 |
| asettle | Yay thanks fungi ! | 21:56 |
| fungi | (at least they load for me) | 21:56 |
| bsilverman_6 | okay, we’ll talk at the PTG | 21:56 |
| iphutch | :) | 21:56 |
| asettle | bsilverman_6: sounds good :) | 21:57 |
| asettle | I would like to see the end of the arch guide ;) hahaha we've been working on it for the longest time. | 21:57 |
| bsilverman_6 | Let’s see what we can do in 2 days. | 21:57 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. I wanted to talk about archiving translating documents.. | 21:57 |
| asettle | ianychoi: we have 3 minutes :) let's roll! | 21:57 |
| asettle | ianychoi: unless you want to chat about it at the PTG? | 21:58 |
| ianychoi | I will think about it later :) Yep asettle sure at PTG :) | 21:58 |
| asettle | loquacities: is planning on writing a spec, maybe you two can sync up? | 21:58 |
| loquacities | sure :) | 21:58 |
| loquacities | o | 21:58 |
| loquacities | i'll get a draft up today | 21:58 |
| asettle | loquacities: terrific :) thank you so much for taking that on board. | 21:58 |
| ianychoi | Yep I can also follow up in the spec | 21:58 |
| asettle | Ah! We have 2 minutes - anyone else got anything? | 21:58 |
| asettle | Sorry for taking up all your time with the chatter of bugs. | 21:58 |
| loquacities | np, can i close? | 21:59 |
| asettle | loquacities: please do :) | 21:59 |
| loquacities | cool! | 21:59 |
| loquacities | thanks everyone :) | 21:59 |
| ianychoi | cool! (2) | 21:59 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 26 21:59:45 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-01-26-21.03.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-01-26-21.03.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-01-26-21.03.log.html | 21:59 |
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